Welcome to muslim tea room 2.(271 Posts)
Peace to you all
Ok, well here it is again...we have moved to room 2 now
Discuss whatever aspect of islam you like my lovely sisters - this is a place for muslims and non-muslims too, to share experiences, raising kids or just having your say!
The kettle is on.... We have loads of herbal teas, coffee and guava juice .... I like guava juice so welcome!
just to lighten the mood.
for sisters out there who follow 'no musical instruments' opinion, you've got to check out Alaa Wardy, a musician from Saudi who makes amazing tracks a capella alone. you have to watch the videos to see how he does it. totally beyond the old beatboxing stuff- he studied sound engineering and its all voice and body only. and, even cooler, he even manages to do acapella to Bollywood!
Jiya Re (my favourite of them all!)
Jai Ho from slumdog
Royals with an Arabic beat
Happy from despicable me 2 (my kids found this very funny and I thought it was a positive video of young muslim men. I love the background Arabic commentary I didn't understand all of it but I recognised all the stereotypes!)
no woman, no drive(very funny satire based on bob marley's 'no woman, no cry', its by a Saudi rights activist and comedian working with Alaa Wardy again to no musical instruments. sarcastic lyrics about how the mutawwa justify the law banning female driving.... 'ova-ovaries safe and well, so you can make lots of babies...')
the vimto song
this one isnt strictly acapella but it makes me think of ramadan with all the vimto glass bottles! was vimto a feature of anyone elses ramadans growing up? xx
The only one I used to like from them was Usama hasan. but after watching him in that when tommy met mo show I realised he's trying too hard to make up for his first name. Tbh I think it was residual from my liking of imam suhaib hasan his dad.
Anyway lost Ib seen a few books on that page about girls being proud of their big curly hair. I think still age appropriate for your dd inshallah. even found a great book for my dc from that list: 'trouble talk'!
The amazon reviews linked to below the blurb look good and it's exactly the topic I want- dealing with tale and rumour spreading.
Quilliam just do my head in! I cant believe they have salma yaqoub, MCB, MAB and islam channel on their list - in fact, cant believe they have any of those on their list.
As for taking away children of radical muslims - if you go by quilliam's list, then that would be very worrying. Yes, i also feel under attack, as lost has stated. There is always some story about telling the muslims how to live nowadays. It makes me realise how xenophobic a big part of society really is.
sorry lost I posted my last post then went off for the morning. my eldest has been having trouble with a boy in his class who lots of other parents have complained about for being violent. but teachers have been ineffectual. im just waiting on the new school now wh only sent me an acknowledgement of my application but nothing since. in the meantime iv told ds never start a fight but don't let himself get pushed around/pushed in front of etc.
im so sad that your dd had to deal with that kind of thing and very glad the school have dealt with it appropriately. let her be proud of the skin she's in and be proud of her hair too. I really like that website www.amightygirl.com/ that someone mentioned once in FWR for resources on raising confident courageous girls. I just saw a page of books for bullying prevention and teasing: really lovely titles lost have a look....
I might even get some for my own mighty girl to navigate around friendships too. she's been having 'those' friendship problems constantly since christmas- the ones where they're all friends one day next day 'we're not friends anymore'. she has a few drama queens in her class and whilst last year she was able to stand her ground this year she's struggled abit to not be affected by them. and though to me they are all so young these little girl problems are so consuming to them. recently its the Queen Bee of her class that my DD and her friends are all fed up with her bossying them around that they swap stories of outrageous things she does! whilst its cathartic to them I had to give her the talk this week about nameemah/talebearing and gheebah/backbiting - (something i thought for was for year 4/5 not now!) have any of you ever had that feeling giving your kids a talk that a lightning bolt from the sky would strike you down for hypocrisy? that talk was one such talk, i sat with my shoulders hunched waiting to duck at any moment whilst talking with her!
I have told ds1 and dd before about keeping the secrets of friends private from other friends (but not from their mother, same advice my mum told me !)and that it will save them both a whole heap of arguments and problems through their lives
that still pull me in now! if they get that from now. but I needed to talk to dd about this in particular before it becomes a habit! subhanallah I hate being in 'he said that she said that you said that I said' situations - i told dd better to be known for not speaking other peoples business and that people say of her 'i know .... she never talks about people behind their back'. and let her take after DH who never mentions anything someone hasnt expressly told him is ok (even to me! even if its a pregnancy or a wedding which I find out from others when he's known about it for ages!! argh - another talk for another day!) whereas, i reckon the best that can be said about me is 'crescent wouldn't have said it like that'. lol.
I don't know if any of you caught Boris Johnson's recent article in the Telegraph that the children of muslim radicals should be taken into care. scary stuff when you realise who he and the regular readership of the Telegraph/Daily Mail et al. take as radical muslims. Quilliam Foundation's return on the £1million of gvt funding was ''A secret list prepared for a top British security official accuses peaceful Muslim groups, politicians, a television channel and a Scotland Yard unit of sharing the ideology of terrorists.'' ('turkeys voting for Christmas' I read yday and so apt to Quilliam)
you'll be shocked how many mainstream muslim organisations and individuals Quilliam reported as extremists/radicals. groups that have supported the government in counter terrorism.
heres a good article on it but I've really liked the humorous takes on Johnson's comments some people have done:
on twitter under #signsofaradicalbaby. (though scarily that's what some people will call it that, taking Dawkins line that any exposure of religion to children is child abuse):
and this article 'How to act british and keep your kids: Advice for Muslim Parents' is quite funny (but abit sad too, that even being a regular Mo (get it, regular Jo/regular Mo?) is so suspect instead you must fall over yourself to go the other way.)
it still might not be enough though. the Moriscos: the former muslims that converted to CHristianity during the Spanish Inquisition were denounced and tortured for being heretics/apostates just if they showed repugnance to eating pork when tested. historian Matthew Carr wrote a book on them 'Blood and Faith - the Purging of Muslim Spain'. and how in the end just for having Moor blood (being descendents of muslims) 300000 were forcibly expelled from Spain in the 17th century. really interesting, and his warning about how the rhetoric about muslims in europe today by right wing an far right groups is so similar to that in Spain during that period. (who ascribed even the defeat of the Spanish armada to the british due to the impurity of having muslims on Spanish soil.)
'a cursed and pernicious seed' - really fascinating extract from the book.
anyway lovelies, have a fab Saturday inshaallah!
I just came on to share the legoland news article but was beaten to it! I read that with utter disbelief. I get so wound up by things like that I normally avoid reading them, but as we've been to legoland quite a few times I wanted to read it. Even though the event is advertised as being a Muslim family event, the doors were also open to anyone one from any religion, it's not like non Muslim's were banned. The park is also seasonally closed at the moment and doesn't open until a week after this event would of taken place, so it wasn't closed especially. Why are the EDL able to dictate things like this?
I also saw the news with regards to banning halal meat. It's madness it really is. Subtle thing like these two events in the news really make me feel like we are under attack. I've never felt like that before but it feels like we always have to justify ourselves.
Crescent with regards to schooling issues, ours are still there but not so extreme anymore alhamdullilah. The school handled it well which I think plays a massive part in these things. I'm trying to teach dd to be confident in her skin (and her hair) which is slowly coming through. She had her hair down at school one day last week for the first time since she was 4. When I say down I mean 'out', she has a full on afro. As soon as she got into the playground my heart sank for her as one of the girls in her class came over and literally just stared at it, but dd just said 'what are you looking at?' in a quizzical way and walked off. As far as I'm aware the day was fairly uneventful and she has lots of people grabbing it (why do people think they can just grab a handful of someone's hair?) but she took it fine alhamdullilah.
Have you decided on whether you'll be changing your dc's school? I think the last you mentioned was you were looking to move them and had looked around the new school?
Fuzzy I like the idea of Hadith of the day, maybe it can be something we can start doing? Help the thread come to life again?
I don't know about anybody else but I sure am glad to see the sun starting to shine through and the weather warm up slightly. I was getting a bit bored of getting drenched everyday day on the walk to school!
I know what you mean I also like to read duas in Arabic though English is the language I think in and speak in. we've decided after they finish the Quran to send them to Arabic classes or have an Arabic teacher come to the house to teach them conversational/formal Arabic. iv been really unmotivated lately so im enjoying the return to the morning adhkar for this prayer in particular:
Allāhumma innī a‘ūdhu bika mina’l hammi wa’l hazan
wa a‘ūdhu bika mina’l-‘ajzi wa’l kasal
wa a‘ūdhu bika minal jubni wa’l bukhl
wa a‘ūdhu bika min ghalabati’d dayn
O Allāh! I seek refuge in You from anxiety and grief,
and I seek refuge in You from weakness and laziness,
and I seek refuge in You from cowardice and miserliness,
and I seek refuge in You from being overwhelmed by debt,
and the tyranny of men.
I feel so comforted to know that even this is covered in the Sunnah duas that Muhammad (pbuh) taught and left for us to say. that even he (pbuh) had these feelings/concerns - so that when im feeling very lazy and weak there is a specific dua for that! that its not just about what we can gain from regular prayer to Allah, but what we can lose: anxiety, grief, laziness, depression, insecurity, fear etc.
Jazakallah khair for the arabic dua crescent . I feel better saying duas in arabic, but it doesnt really matter whether it is said in whichever language, Allah wants kalbun saleem - a pure heart.
"this thread should be a calm oasis even if the world is going to hell in a handbasket around us"
in case you didn't get the reference, I was referring to this hadith:
"Anas (rah) reported that the Prophet (pbuh) said,
“If the Hour (the day of Resurrection) is about to be established and one of you was holding a palm shoot, let him take advantage of even one second before the Hour is established to plant it.”
(Authenticated by Al-Albani) other green hadith here
the ultimate 'keep calm and carry on' message don't you think? (though others would call it muslim fatalism!). that even if the Day of Judgement is about to begin one should finish or carry on with one's work, the prophet (pbuh) said even if it is planting a seed of a tree when you know the dunya is going to end!even if its just one second before the 'Hour' comes.
I always think of those muslims living during the time of the Mongol invasions/decimations in the Middle East, or in the lands conquered by the Europeans after the 18th century. they must have thought their world was ending - that that was their 'Hour', and that islam was about to finish in their part of the world maybe. but still, they just steadfastly carried on, and subhanallah here we are in 2014, and sometimes my mind thinks the same but, we keep calm and carry on.
loved that dua defuse its part of the award of the wird al lateef. I did mine this morning reading your post last night.
Allāhumma mā asbaha bī min ni‘matin
aw bi ahadin min khalqiqa
Wahdaka lā sharīka laka
falaka’l Hamdu walaka’sh shukru ‘alā dhālik
(In the evenings, recite: amsā instead of asbaha)
O Allāh! Whatever favours
I or anyone else in Your creation received this morning
are from You Alone.
You are the One and Only (God worthy of worship) without any partner.
So for You is the Praise and for You is the thanks for that.
your so right fuzzy I don't know why I read it. DH is working nights all week so I had lots of time last night to read it and the more I looked at the language and wording the more I got mad.
I told myself stop reading the news but I broke it after a week. this thread should be a calm oasis even if the world is going to hell in a handbasket around us!
did anyone see Save the Children's video this week 'If London were Syria'. it will make you cry, subhanallah we forget Syria was a middle income country where ordinary kids did homework and had parties and went to sports lessons same as kids here. I wept the first time I watched it, put my head down and sobbed - before 3 years no Syrians imagined their country would be in civil war and their leader Assad would be gassing them and bombing them, making millions becoming refugees. life can change as quickly as that aoothoobillah.
if you've got your phone by you just send a quick £3 donation to Save the Children's Syria appeal by texting SYRIA to 70090.
www.savethechildren.org.uk/mobile-terms-and-conditions I just did it now so its still active even in march 2014. that's for £3
but a larger amount is better if we can do it, and this is Jumaa day and all good charity and good deeds on this day have greater merit.
your sister crescent
Anyway, Happy Jummah, please keep the Ummah and us in your duas today inshallah.
And Hadith of the day;
Anas (radhiallahu anhu) said that he heard the Messenger of Allah (sallallahu alaihi wa-sallam) say: �Allah the Exalted said: �O son of Adam! As long as you invoke Me and plead to Me, I will forgive you whatever you have committed, and I will not make much of it. O son of Adam! If your evil deeds reach the borders of the sky, and then you ask Me for forgiveness, I will forgive you. O son of Adam! If you bring forth the earth full of errors, then you meet Me while you do not associate anything (or anyone) with Me, I will bring forth for you its full of forgiveness.� [At-Tirmidhee (Shaikh Albanee rendered it as Hasan)]
The DM are a xenophobic scaremongering rag not fit to wipe your'e arse on.. well I never!
I would only be shocked if they (or any paper actually) wrote a balanced factual article involving Muslims. I gave up on the rag years ago when they described a rape of a girl who happened to be Muslim, and they wrote something like her parents only asked her if she was OK when they found out because they were thinking about how difficult it would be to get her an arranged marriage now! They derived all this from the the girl saying she hadn't told her parents and the first they knew was when a police officer came to the house to speak to them, then they asked her if she was OK. Well goodness me parents in shock on hearing their child has been raped, presumably parents of other religions would have been utterly unmoved by it and how did they know what the parents were thinking?
i think that article on religious slaughter was almost genius how the paper tries to sow islamophobia in its readers just by the description. and you know this because of the parts it chooses to mention and not mention in the descriptions of the two same slaughter procedures. in the halal bit it mentions 'muslim butcher', but it doesn't mention 'jewish butcher' in the kosher bit.
opening up 'theyre taking all our jobs', as well as, 'gosh even the animals are not saved from muslim barbarians'.
whereas, halal meat can be by a Jewish/ Christian butcher as long as God's name is mentioned, not just the word 'Allah', and the same process is taken.
i thought more about the 'all blood Is drained away' part, why did they mention that if not to try and make it as bloody as imagery as possible also? as if the end goal of halal slaughter is the slaughterman stands and watches the animal bleed to death.
notice how they try to make the kosher explanation more scientific and precise, 'sharp knife slices through main arteries and windpipe, causes a drop in blood pressure, so animal loses consciousness...'.
that article is a perfect example of the islamophobia that masks racism don't you think? just that purposeful difference given in the description of the two same processes. the BVA made their statement about religious slaughter in general, but the DM writer wanted to whip up islamophobia in the 'description box' by that artful explanation. racism because really the only difference is that kosher the knife is held by a white hand, whereas halal the knife is held by a brown hand. same old, same old.
its an attempt to divide and conquer because muslim and jewish groups stand together on the religious slaughter issue, as with circumcision, as with rules on autopsy and burial etc.
definitely right about the anti semitism. the Daily Mail revealed its still present a few months ago with that article on the father of Ed Miliband (leader of labour party). the one about 'jewish Marxist who hated britain'?. their islamophobia is much more flamboyant - Jolly Jihadi day out at LEGOLAND.
hope everyone is well, Happy Friday, Jummaa Mubarak.
Just read about legoland.... Am really annoyed that EDL have managed to get the event cancelled. They are a bunch of thugs. Am worried about the summer retreat now.
diet a warm welcome to you - you have made some lovely points to ponder over. I do worry and pray that i pass the tests set by Allah - but can only do so by His grace.
Crescent i cant believe that Muslims only account for 5% of world GDP. I do agree that there is a massive market to be tapped into - just gotta have the know-how!
Yes, i read that article about halal/kosher being 'barbaric' - so bemused, but the DM just likes to start anti-muslim hysteria over anything - and its fans like need any excuse to start crying muzlamics! [sigh]. I did notice how the article was trying to make a distinction between the halal way compared with the kosher way. Tbh, DM readers are as much anti-semitic as they are islamophobic - its just more fashionable to be a muslim basher at the moment.
I didnt know about the legoland cancellation. Gonna go look at your link in a minute. Before i go...remember we were talking about thanking Allah Almighty but not being able to do so? Well, i came across this hadith by abu dawud:
The Prophet (peace_be_upon_him) said: If anyone says in the morning: "O Allah! whatever favour has come to me, it comes from Thee alone Who has no partner; to Thee praise is due and thanksgiving,'! he will have expressed full thanksgiving for the day; and if anyone says the same in the evening, he will have expressed full thanksgiving for the night.
I thought that was totally amazing. I cant find the arabic version of this, so just say it in English instead.
Ok....off to read about legoland...
notice how they contrast the two explanations for the same method?
the word 'blade' is used in the halal paragraph, not knife as in kosher paragraph below , (blade more associated with=> war of course!)
the word 'swipe' (verb:hit or try to hit with a swinging blow) is used not 'slice' (to make it seem clumsily done or shallowly, not properly)
only in the muslim description do they mention a religious invocation, not in the kosher explanation, to specifically make us 'other', whereas, we worship the same God as the majority religion here.
the 'blood drained away for islamic law', this originates from OT law too, but that isn't mentioned in the kosher explanation below, again, to invoke imagery of the muslim as 'other', 'barbarian', 'bloody',
the last sentence
'animal must be conscious while having its throat cut'
- is to make it as if the purpose is so the animal suffers the most whereas in the kosher bit that requirement isn't mentioned. furthermore - the blurb there says that the single cut is to make the animal lose consciousness quickly and a 'jews believe' only, but that is why we muslims follow the halal slaughter method also - we do it for the same purpose - but in the explanation of halal slaughter only that the animal must be conscious beforehand, not 'to lose consciousness after'.
see how clever all of that is? just the words used, careful omissions, sly mentions, half truths, cue the comments below that halal slaughter should be banned in the UK.
whereas, actually, it is Islamic law that can accommodate stunning pre slaughter if it becomes required in UK law, whereas in kosher law it is entirely forbidden,
and no mention that already the overwhelming majority of UK halal meat IS stunned before slaughter just as conventional meat is. even the secularism society acknowledges and reports on that here:
and we could just shrug our shoulders and say 'ahh that's them all the time', except, articles like that fuel the far right in targetting and hatred of ordinary muslims. did anyone realise the violent threats to LEGOLAND Windsor for hosting that muslim family fun day this weekend have now meant the day is cancelled?
they're refunding the 4000 tickets bought - by non muslims as well as muslims - but that's how bad islamophobia has gotten now, even taking children for a day out to a theme park during off season gets demonstrations and threats. as with the mosque bombings, very little attention given to this but its articles like above that lead to announcements like Legoland's today.
tea, anyone? (holds up tea pot, hand shakes)
argh check out the wording here in this article today on religious slaughter in the daily mail (in the blue box down near the comments)
"Halal slaughtering involves cutting through the large arteries in the neck with one swipe of a blade, while a Muslim butcher recites a religious verse."
"All blood is then drained away since the consumption of blood is forbidden under Islamic law."
"Under Islamic law, an animal must be slaughtered by having its throat cut while it is conscious."
whereas, describing kosher slaughter:
"Before slaughtering, the animal must be healthy and uninjured and a sharp knife is used to slice through the main arteries and windpipe, causing a drop in blood pressure that causes the animal to lose consciousness. Jews believe this is a way of killing that shows 'respect and compassion' as set out in Jewish law."
subhanallah, we use the same method for exactly the same reasons as in kosher slaughter, but the description of the muslim method is designed to evoke a very different response in the reader to the description of the jewish method where sharp knife, single clean cut, drop in pressure ...., for the purpose of respect and compassion etc. are all said to keep most of the ire towards the muslim way.
really lovely posts diet, jazakhallah khair and I hope I get to read your beautiful reminders regularly. there was a pile of laundry the size of mount Everest in my home this past week but after reading your post I rechecked my intention and decided (solemnly holds up index finger of right hand) for the sake of God and His prophet (pbuh) I would plough through it. and i did it finally alhamdullillah.
another interesting article (abit older than the earlier one) about Islamic branding and 'beyond sharia compliance.' (not just about 'halal meat' or 'halal money'). just on this tangent thinking on the life insurance topic defuse thought of
I certainly need to make more time for primary ibadah diet - especially quran recitation and reading. I used to be very regular on adhkar and awrad either end of my day but have lost the habit. except daily salah my only hope really is in salawat upon the prophet (pbuh), and that by prayers for peace on him (pbuh) Allah will give that to me. inshaallah.
I also just wanted to add for those finding it difficult to balance roles with their ibadah that being a mother, a wife and a daughter is ibadah in itself. One of the best things about bring a Muslim is that we are rewarded for all our actions if we carry them out with the correct intention. The famous Hadith of the Messenger of Allah (PBUH) that actions are according to intentions is explained by the commentators of Hadith that even every day monotonous acts can be converted to acts of worship if they are carried out with the correct intention. For example, when washing clothes makes intention that you are doing the laundry to purify clothes for prayer, to tidy and smarten your appearance as advised by Allah and his Messenger and to provide the family with clothing to cover their awrah. When cooking make intention that you are cooking to providing halal options for your family to partake of, to provide food that offers nourishment and strength to the body for ibadah and to create happiness for your family. Then these acts will also help you come closer to Allah and enable you to find contentment in your different roles in life.
Besides that, one must always make time for primary ibadah such as Quran recitation, nawafil and regular tasbeehat. It's a matter of self discipline and forming a routine so it's a regular part of your day despite the distractions that family life brings. Allah says that 'Indeed your wealth and your children are a test'. They can be a source of distraction from Allah and it's up to us to recognise that and put in place measures that prevent them from being a trial and instead, make them a source of attaining further closeness to Allah and reward.
Assalamualaykum all. Just popping in and waving to you all. I'm not a regular poster here but it's lovey to find like minded sisters on my set too.
peacefuloptimist taking your DS to umrah depends on what he's like and what your temperament is like too. For many, it's just too much of a distraction but if your DS is not overly boisterous, will hold your hand and does not get overly hyper, it's not too bad. You also need to be a bit laid back and let him run around a little and be prepared to miss going to Haram if he's sleeping. It doesn't mean your reward is reduced in the slightest as women are excused from attending the congregation prayers, especially so if they have young children to attend to.
I've been for umrah numerous times alhamdulillah and I've always taken my DC with me. They're older now but I've taken toddlers and even breastfeeding children in the past so I'm very comfortable with having them there. They know their limits, always stay close and I've also adjusted to doing things in a certain way with them. I hardly ever go for zuhar salah and sometimes offer fajr in the hotel if any of them are sleeping. I have fixed times for tawaf where DH looks after the little ones and we sit in women's sections near him so the DC can run inbetween both sections, sometimes siting with him and sometimes with me. We have a good system and I don't get stressed by having the kids around me when I'm engaged in ibadah so it works well. Umrah is easy alhamdulillah, so you won't find it tiring to have him around you. I even took four of my DC to hajj with me when I was 5-6 months pregnant and although alhamdulillah, Allah facilitated everything for us with the utmost ease and comfort for which I am eternally grateful, I would be wary about recommending other to take them because they may not have the same experience as us. Make istikhara of two rakahs and inshallah Allah will open up your mind to a decision that's best for you all.
Scrolling up and checking your date of posting... your probably already left or made a decision at least so this is a bit late. I pray Allah accepts your umrah and grants us all an opportunity to visit and revisit His Beloved (SAW).
Did I say Five pages? I'm in need of tea after five posts!
tulip i pmed you sis! just avoid that section anyway. I think when it gets too intense it's better to pull back otherwise it's just overload.
fuzzy sis after all your advice in the end I chickened out and didn't go. I don't know what even possessed me to try for it. I'd thought to myself 'This is ideal post. You don't fit the whole criteria but darn it crescent, think like a man and go for it!'. See I read a thread somewhere once that Men apply even if they fulfill just 40per cent of a person spec whereas women don't unless they can answer 90per cent. So I thought to be confident and just apply. I never thought I'd get called in though, and I tried to prepare fuzzy and be like the woman you told me about but on the day I just bottled it. Just chickened out. It took 2days for my mum to answer my calls she was so pissed off at me for being a wuss, but*fuzzy*, push came to shove I knew I couldn't blag it I just wasn't confident enough. But alhamdullillah I'm optimistic, il try again for something later this year.
Loved that headcover quiz I got loads wrong defuse too. As for life insurance it's a shame but I wonder if something could be done along the lines of takaful insurance. I thought it interesting the Islamic one is based on a type the early Muslims of Mecca and Madinah did between themselves. Just from that wiki page fuzzy but I'd like to read more. how about those funeral/burial association things the older generTion would do? Do you know the thing I mean? That group thing people put small amounts of money into to pay for their funeral if they die? Could that be expanded to a larger payment?
lost how did you resolve those school issues your eldest has had recently? Would like some advice!
Well, i only got 6/14!
I was convinced the niqabis were muslims - obviously not!
I do wonder if UK has a shariah compliant life insurance - dont think there is one though.
Love you all.
That's good fuzzy, I got 7/14 . I'm going to pass it on and see what my friends get.
Crescent, going to back to what you mentioned last week I think it was, I've always wondered whether any of you name change for chat or somewhere else. I've been tempted a few times but I can see myself getting easily confused so think I'll just stay as I am. I'm always reading chat though and sometimes I venture over to parenting, AIBU and a few others.
I just did this quiz, I got 10/14 it's very interesting the different way Christians & Jewish women observe hijab and even veiling.
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