Any other atheists around?

(309 Posts)
GuybrushThreepwoodMP Fri 01-Nov-13 22:18:39

Is there a group for us atheists to discuss ideas of faith, morality, life, the universe and everything (42!)?
Note: I would not want this to become about dissing people of faith and would truly welcome discussion with anyone. This isn't about ridiculing anyone. I would be particularly interested in sharing ideas and discussing the social, anthropological, philosophical, political and psychological aspects of religion from an atheist point of view. Anyone else? I can provide brew and biscuit and wine .

ErrolTheDragon Mon 18-Nov-13 09:39:36

No problem with xmas here either - I rather enjoyed it when DD was at primary and there was the nativity play in infants and carol service in juniors (a chance to sing! - for which reason I also enjoy the cheesy santa etc seasonal songs. DD and I sing them in the car... usually starts after half term, we're a bit late this year come to think). Doesn't just about every culture at these latitudes have some sort of midwinter celebration?

Presumably everyone knows that the correct response if a Christian says something about 'putting Christ back into Christmas' is to ask them when they're going to put Oestre back into Easter? wink.

I'm happy being a 'cultural christian' - and also a 'cultural pagan/norse/druid/Roman/whatever-else' went into the mix of what we have today.

Wow! Talk about born again atheists. Glad to have you both here!!

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garlictrivia

garlictrivia Sun 17-Nov-13 14:44:03

... I was quite excited that Dr Who chose a 'Warrior' revival! Looking forward to an intergalactic Dark Knight Returns ... starting next Saturday, squeee!

garlictrivia Sun 17-Nov-13 14:42:18

I had a literal near death experience. There was nothing. I was just unconscious and then I was conscious again. - Yep, me too. I crashed post-op & was revived. I just went from "I'm cold" to "That's better" with no clue as to the drama my body had just played out. No white lights, choruses, astrally roaming the hospital or dropping feathers on my friends.

Outside of that setting - I was already surrounded by medics with the right equipment - it has been shown that the body puts in a last-ditch effort, pumping out neurotransmitters all over the place to try and kick-start the system one more time. This would be likely to cause hallucinations which, if the effort was successful, the recovered individual would remember.

Can't tell you how comforting the idea of just dying and there being nothing is. I had an accident some time ago ago and my heart stopped and I had a literal near death experience. There was nothing. I was just unconscious and then I was conscious again.

In the most recent Doctor Who, the Doctor talks about the 'keepers of the flame of eternal life', only he calls them the 'keepers of the flame of utter boredom', and that's very much how it feels to me. Of course if I end up roasting in hell I'll rue the day, etc.

garlictrivia Sun 17-Nov-13 14:25:24

There are no tests for atheism! Mine won't be tested until I die and find myself facing a long staircase up and another going down ... but that isn't going to happen, I will just die and that'll be the end of me.

I spend about half my Christmases alone (no, it isn't sad,) and half with my sister's family, who celebrate Winterfest. That's one of the names for the old festival which, if you didn't know, was celebrated with lights, logs, feasts & gifts in late December.

If Jesus had existed, christian scholars say the likelihood is that he was born in the Spring as that's when the Romans did their tax registrations. So christians aren't celebrating his birthday on 25th December. They're celebrating his birth, three or four months early, on the date of Winterfest.
I thought all adult christians knew that.

headinhands Sun 17-Nov-13 13:19:12

We get to take the school down for a local carol service. I love it!

is Xmas one of the hardest tests for atheists?

Having a holiday on the same day as the Christians doesn't present any difficulty. I know that christians like to pretend that "trees, logs, fairy lights, decorations etc all 'belong' to them, but really our winter celebration came first and most of those were either part of it or introduced by pagans.

I can see it's harder for you in that you probably need to go to church over xmas, but that needn't be painful really. I am 100% atheist but I don't burst into flame in a church and unlike one famous Saviour, I don't feel any urge to throw the furniture about and make a scene smile

Hymns can be nice anyway - Is there anyone who doesn't like Jerusalem? - and you don't have to believe the words. I quite like the poetry in Lord Of the Rings too.

headinhands Sun 17-Nov-13 06:49:43

DOH!

headinhands Sun 17-Nov-13 06:49:21

Sub, you say you're not as concerned with evidence, but there isn't ANY. I have no good reason to pick Christianity over any other religion or belief system.

nooka Sun 17-Nov-13 05:31:48

Why would Christmas be a test? I was brought up in a religious household and do sometimes miss the traditions associated with that, but for me Christmas has more to do with the older winter festivals, so I like the decorating, the lights, the feasting and the gift giving. The only bit of my Christian roots that really shows is that I really like carols and hate santa related songs (mainly because they are rubbish).

I don't get to spend Christmas with my family anymore (we emigrated and it's too far/too expensive) so no clashes with the more religious members of my family (my BIL and sister are both ordained) but that was never a huge issue until my mum out of the blue decided that she needed everyone to do grace, which I really find quite objectionable (and dh refuses to participate in).

mixed household here and I treat it like a cultural festival. Don't mind the odd carol service and the like, LOVE Christmas music. Enjoy festive cheer in the middle of winter, no more, no less.

OldLadyKnowsNothing Sat 16-Nov-13 19:02:39

When the dc were young, we did Xmas because of Santa Claus. Now, we do Xmas because of Santa Claus (4yo dgs) and because otherwise my Xtian, elderly and widowed MIL would be sitting alone.

I'm an atheist and I love Christmas. I figure that if I were living in or visiting a non-Christian country, I would embrace the local festivals with equal enthusiasm (unless they were actually morally dodgy in some way, obviously) so why on earth shouldn't I embrace Christmas. I love the carols and Christmas symbols etc, not just the food and present-giving. Plus there's the whole 'it was a pagan festival first' thing. I think we need a big cheery festival to get us through the winter.

We do Xmas because that's what my church going other half wants.

Do real atheists do Xmas? Because of tradition, family time, an excuse for a party?

Is Xmas one of the hardest tests for atheists?

headinhands Sat 16-Nov-13 17:34:34

Christmas ARGH!! It'll be spent ruining food and just waiting for tea time do I can pile into the vino.

I shall be holed up in the kitchen, cooking a feast for just us, listening to the request show on Classic FM and drinking at an appallingly early time.

1) What are all we atheists doing on Christmas day? (A: Whatever my wife tells me smile.)

2) Did you sign up yet (click below)? wink

www.mumsnet.com/Talk/philosophy_religion_spirituality/1910951-Atheist-agnostic-skeptic-register-1-post-each-10-words-max-I-am

garlictrivia Sat 16-Nov-13 10:10:22

We probably all use it in different ways, Rotten. For me, focusing on my Buddha carving helps me access the wise, calm and understanding side of myself. If I want to be a super-assertive, take-no-shit kind of woman, I "invoke" the voodoo goddess Iansa. I don't actually do rituals or think she's going to materialise in my kitchen; it's just a way of hyping myself up to be strong. Most people use symbols like, though perhaps not as consciously - think of students taking a lucky mascot into an exam. If you make it conscious, it works better.

And I have an imaginary Mumsnet, too, which I call up when the situation demands "What would Mumsnet say?" grin

DoctorTwo Sat 16-Nov-13 08:44:23

Go ahead taf, I stole it from a Facebook group I'm a member of.

YoniRotten Sat 16-Nov-13 01:44:14

The threads moved on a bit but can someone please explain symbolism to me, those who say they use it?

taffleee Fri 15-Nov-13 20:24:00

Doctortwo LOOOLL!!!

Is it okay if I use that - x

Oh the 'why did you send your kids to a religious school' thing gives me the irrits. "Because I fucking paid my taxes to run the bugger and I'll damn well use the facilities I paid for"

DoctorTwo Fri 15-Nov-13 17:57:24

I've posted this before but it bears repeating:-

Having a religion is like having a penis: it's ok to have one, just don't wave it around in public and keep it out of my children.

I do get a bit heated about the religious schools topic

Me too, I just this minute saw another of those 'if you don't like religion don't send your kid to a religious school' and it amazes me that people think there's a real choice about that in the UK.

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