Evidence of Ghosts

(93 Posts)
technodad Sat 26-Oct-13 19:58:25

Apparently I am not welcome to discuss the existance of ghosts on a thread started by someone who believes in them, so I thought I would start my own thread.

Everyone is welcome, you can all insult me as much as you want. I don't care if you try to offend me and my deeply held "beliefs".

So, my question:

Has anyone had a first hand experience of paranormal activity, and got a photo or video that they prove the existance of ghosts. If so, please can you post it (or a link to it on photobox or youtube), because I am intreagued what level of "evidence" people accept. - Please only post you own experience, with evidence, since, as you can imagine, if you say "I heard a noise in my kitchen" you will likely get told it was the fridge motor.

Thread warning - apparently (according to people on other threads), I am a complete bastard, and may say something on this thread that you find more offensive than you possibly can imagine... I may even say the phrase "ghosts don't exist", which may cause you to cry. Please only join in if you can cope with such aggression! wink

MrPricklepants Sun 27-Oct-13 08:46:17

Actually instead of 'I don't believ' as a physicist I should also say 'there is no evidence of'.

RatHammock Sun 27-Oct-13 08:48:33

Ghosts don't exist. If anyone ever provides concrete evidence to the contrary obviously I will alter my opinion.

However I think that arguing with people who are willing to believe in anything with no evidence, be that ghosts, gods, vampires, etc. is pretty pointless. If somebody is taking a faith based perspective then that is irrational, and one cannot meet irrationality with rational debate.

WereTricksPotter Sun 27-Oct-13 08:49:40

But a caveman wouldn't understand a television or cinema screen. They wouldn't understand how those 'people' got there.

Our understanding of the world wrt paranormal activity could be at that level as we don't know all there is to know about what makes it all fit together.

technodad Sun 27-Oct-13 09:00:04

"time physics"

I have never heard that term before. It is like someone has taken two scientific words, and added them together to make a special kind of made-up nonesense.

WereTricksPotter: Is there any chance that the things you saw are a figment of your imagination? The brain has evolved to make patterns from very limited information. This trait has been born our of natural selection, whereby if you think you see a shape in the long grass, your brain thinks "ITS A TIGER" and you run. The animals which didn't imagine a tiger were often eaten (by the tiger), but the animals that ran survived (albeit they may have done more running than they needed to do). Similarly, the family groups that told scary stories about dark caves and monsters, didn't get eaten by the bear in the cave, but those that weren't scared of the unknown got scoffed.

In low light, or unusual conditions, your brain will often make-up the remainder of the information to create a familiar image out of small amounts of data. This is compounded by strange noises, or unexpected temperatures.

I once remember seeing three lights, that looked exactly like a tripple rocket engine that you might see in a sic-fi movie, travelling through the sky at seemingly high speed. It was so hard to not believe what my brain was telling me, and a bit of me believed it was a UFO. I kept watching it, telling myself there was a logical explanation, until I realised it was three chinese lanterns travelling quite close to me, so they looked orange, and like they were further away but travelling fast.

One example of how the brain overrides what you see, is the mcgurk effect: youtu.be/G-lN8vWm3m0

WereTricksPotter Sun 27-Oct-13 09:05:31

Yes, there's every chance that both times I am sure I saw something supernatural it was my brain making patterns.
There was also a physical manifestation once, after a ghost tour type event, which was incredibly interesting as the ghosts we went to experience don't actually exist, so my brain must have caused the scratches on my leg.

I'll always go through the possible explanations for ghost sightings and I know how to bust the Woo surrounding paranormal events.

However, I still believe that some sightings are down to things we can't yet explain, but belong to a branch of science that is neglected and derided as yet.

technodad Sun 27-Oct-13 09:15:34

There was also a physical manifestation once, after a ghost tour type event, which was incredibly interesting as the ghosts we went to experience don't actually exist, so my brain must have caused the scratches on my leg.

It is completely resonable for you to have scratched yourself during the ghost tour (on a wall, bush, or even unintintionally with your own hand, etc.), and not realise it. If you are scared, and have adrenalin in your blood system, you often don't notice pain until well after the event, and don't even remember how the injury happened.

There are far worse injuries than this recorded, such as policemen driving cars with broken wrists (having been run over by the criminal), and not even realising they had been hurt until after the criminal has been arrested and the adrenalin has subsided.

It it possible that this might have happened in this instance?

Do you not think this is far more likely than a supernatural explanation?

Abitannoyedatthis Sun 27-Oct-13 09:19:05

Well I have a science degree and have seen a ghost. I was in my twenties, hot morning in August, saw a guy walking slowly as if in pain dressed in a heavy coat and as I moved towards him he vanished. Saw it for about 40 seconds. My impression at the time was that it was some sort of tape recording. Possibly a hallucination of mine (though none before or since) or some unknown phenomena.

I don't believe the spirits of the dead come back or that we exist after death. Do I believe in ghosts? Yes.

WereTricksPotter Sun 27-Oct-13 09:19:46

I was wearing knee high boots, not drunk and can honestly say I didn't scratch myself while I was awake - the scratches came up overnight.

I agree that it was a physical manifestation of a manufactured fear in some way. The 'ghost' in question is known for physical attacks and my brain must have played along with that in some way, which is fascinating!

WereTricksPotter Sun 27-Oct-13 09:24:40

I believe in the Stone Tape theory, Abit. Ghosts as recordings held by building materials etc.

technodad Sun 27-Oct-13 09:28:14

I didn't say you were drunk :-)

Could you have scratched yourself in your sleep? I do that all the time.

WereTricksPotter Sun 27-Oct-13 09:53:06

No, I know you didn't. I was removing the possibility of inebriation from the evidence I was presenting.

I could have scratched myself in my sleep, but I've never done that before or since that has left a mark like something with claws/nails has taken a swipe at me.

I've had a few strange experiences which I can't attribute to rational causes - or rather, one I can, but like WereTricks the explanation doesn't tie with anything that has happened before or since.

I was visiting a park which has a long social history. Buildings on site have been converted to different uses, some public, but the area was bombed during WW2. One of my friends claims to have seen figures there, I have not. I was standing outside, basically saying that she must have been seeing things when I experienced what I can only describe as a clip around the ear.
I was not under a tree, nor moving, so can't claim anything dropping or being moved into proximity. The rational explanation is that it was some sort of bodily spasm that felt like a clip around the ear, but I have never since felt anything like it.

I'm firmly in the "can't prove, can't disprove" camp. Simply because things we take for granted nowadays are things that were considered impossible in the not-too-distant past.

WereTricksPotter Sun 27-Oct-13 10:07:13

I have to go and do something else besides annoying rationalists now thlwink, but I'd like to compare ghost sightings to being struck by lightning first.

If I was standing in a field in a thunderstorm and I was knocked off my feet by a powerful force, leaving a scorchmark on my body then someone I described this to afterwards would tell me I had been hit by lightning. A well documented natural phenomenon that it's possible to replicate under lab conditions.

If I describe driving along a country lane at night and an old man with an angry expression steps out in front of the car yet there is no collision with a physical entity then it's a trick of the light, or the mind, according to science.

It shouldn't be dismissed as just my imagination imo, as the explanation behind it may be as rational as the one about the lightning strike one day, when science has caught up with paranormal manifestations.

technodad Mon 28-Oct-13 11:49:49

Weretrickspotter

Do you honestly believe that your scratch on your leg is far more likely to be caused by a ghost, than you scratching yourself in your sleep.

On the face of it, this sounds pretty odd to me!

I'd say that paranormal is a meaningless term. Even if ghosts existed they'd be part of the universe we live in so would be 'natural'. As a shortcut for 'things we can't explain yet' it is ok, but too many people take it to mean 'things outside of science'.

If you see something then it has to affect the cones and rods of your eyes so it would be visible to cameras/recorders that record the same wavelengths. If you are touched by something it must exist in the 'real' world to affect your skin and nerves.

If by seeing we mean images implanted in the subject's brain directly then camera's would never record them, but they still must have a real world presence to affect the brain.

This applies to god too. God is detectable unless he went far away and never did anything or contacted anyone.

DioneTheDiabolist Sat 02-Nov-13 13:13:19

Someone called you a "complete bastard" Techno?shock That is not on.angry Did you report it?

headinhands Italy Sat 02-Nov-13 15:05:47

When you say you wouldn't want to disregard ghosts out of hand because there might be a time when science catches up with paranormal are we really to believe that you don't disregard any sightings that anyone has, or ever has had, of any paranormal thing/creature? Are there no paranormal sightings you'd feel confident in discounting? Vampires? Werewolves? Moth-men? Mermaids? Sasquatch?

gamerchick Sat 02-Nov-13 15:17:46

I offered to show you my orbs but you ignored me.

I would love to hear a rational explanation of it as I'm the first to tell people they have a dirty camera lens when it comes to photos.

I'm amused you've still got a bee in your bonnet about that thread though.. there's no need to get so rattled just because somebody doesn't share your opinion.

HaroldLloyd Netherlands Sat 02-Nov-13 15:18:40

That's interesting Were, something like stigmata?

HaroldLloyd Netherlands Sat 02-Nov-13 15:19:54

"I offered to show you my orbs" grin

What thread is this? Sounds interesting.

gamerchick Sat 02-Nov-13 15:21:43

That thread is like something out of the twilight zone... can't make head nor tail of it now grin

technodad Sat 02-Nov-13 19:49:09

I am well up for seeing your orbs

Please include details of type of camera and details of when the photo was taken.

DioneTheDiabolist Sat 02-Nov-13 19:51:56

Head, have you ever met anyone claiming to have experienced vampires, werewolves, mermaids, mothmen or saschwatch?

gamerchick Sat 02-Nov-13 20:20:14

It was a phone.. A video and last year and I already asked how to get it off Facebook but you ignored that as well.

headinhands Italy Sat 02-Nov-13 20:22:42

Actually yes!

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