Evidence of Ghosts

[technodad]

Apparently I am not welcome to discuss the existance of ghosts on a thread started by someone who believes in them, so I thought I would start my own thread.

Everyone is welcome, you can all insult me as much as you want. I don't care if you try to offend me and my deeply held "beliefs".

So, my question:

Has anyone had a first hand experience of paranormal activity, and got a photo or video that they prove the existance of ghosts. If so, please can you post it (or a link to it on photobox or youtube), because I am intreagued what level of "evidence" people accept. - Please only post you own experience, with evidence, since, as you can imagine, if you say "I heard a noise in my kitchen" you will likely get told it was the fridge motor.

Thread warning - apparently (according to people on other threads), I am a complete bastard, and may say something on this thread that you find more offensive than you possibly can imagine... I may even say the phrase "ghosts don't exist", which may cause you to cry. Please only join in if you can cope with such aggression!

[technodad]

I am happy to discuss.

I personally think all the scientific knowledge is already there.

I wasn't intending to ignore you, I was just waiting to see if anyone else joined in.

No agenda.

[CoteDAzur]

" I may even say the phrase "ghosts don't exist", which may cause you to cry. Please only join in if you can cope with such aggression!"

[technodad]

I think it is more "normal" than "paranormal" and it is all either in out heads, or real life stuff that we misinterpret.

Hopefully, someone has some solid evidence for the thread.

There was talk of photos with figures in the background and videos with floating orbs in the last thread.

[DearDinah]

I had a spooky photo once of a funny place name in Cornwall, we took a photo of it in the dark & when it came out there was a horrible distorted figure standing behind it, I thought it was a ghost for ages, until it dawned on me that it was actually me, I was horribly drunk & forgot I got into the picture.

[technodad]

I went onto youtube to find a discussion point to get things moving.

So, here is a video with an "orb" that some idiot has posted on youtube, which is claimed as a ghost in the back yard

This is very very obviously a small bug (thunder bug or small ant), walking around on the inside of the lens, or on the CCD of the video camera. You can tell by the characteristics of the movements, and sometimes even make out the blurred scurrying legs.

Or this one: where they are all dust reflecting the light of a flash, or film processing problems (I love the comentry though!).

[technodad]

DearDinah - Brilliant! I love it!

[Azquilith]

Love DearDinah!

[Moxiegirl]

No argument from me, they don't exist!

[technodad]

WereTricksPotter

What evidence are you talking of, and how is it recorded that enables it to be challenged using the scientific method?

[Shallishanti]

maybe we should define what is meant by 'ghosts'?
I can easily accept there may be things as yet unexplained by science - but I've never been convinced by any of the 'unexplained happenings' people who believe in ghosts cite. Seen too much Derren Brown.

[sunbathe]

So, if there are no ghosts, are you assuming that everyone's lying when they say they've seen a ghost? Or misinterpreting something?

[Shallishanti]

yes, misinterpreting something (generous) or winding up other people/lying- in either case, 'ghosts' is a category suggested by our culture.

[technodad]

WereTricksPotter said

"You'd need to make sure that the photo/video evidence was genuine i.e investigating every last pixel

It would need to be available to every method of investigation and able to be stripped back to its component parts.

Evidence is a 'machine' in this respect. You have to be able to take it apart and put it back together again."

I think (although I am not sure), you believe that some "paranormal events" do actually occur, but they are not ghosts and that we can explain them when science catches up. Have I interpreted this correctly?

If so, can you define the sort of "event" you are referring to, and like I say, suggest some way of measuring the event?

Thanks

[MrPricklepants]

I thought I saw a ghost once next to my bedroom door, it turned out to be my dressing gown.

OP no one will post with 'evidence' because ghosts don't exist. Any sightings of ghosts can usually be easily explained and if not it's our weird brains playing tricks on us.

[MrPricklepants]

And as a physicist can I also say I don't believe in 'time physics' anomalies where you think you're seeing a glimpse of the past or the future. It's your brain, an amazing organ that plays tricks on us all the time.

[MrPricklepants]

Actually instead of 'I don't believ' as a physicist I should also say 'there is no evidence of'.