Why doesnt anyone think of all the innocent people when there's war?

(59 Posts)
12thDoctorsCompanion Fri 23-Aug-13 20:24:55

Watching the news. So sad, seeing all the women and children evacuating Syria. Really heartbreaking.

Of course it happens in any war there's ever been.
Why do people have to fight?
For power? money? Greed?

All those innocents who don't seem to matter. (sorry, a downer for a Friday night, just made me so upset, needed a shoulder to cry on).

Was dithering posting this in Chat or Spiritual site. How is all this allowed to happen? Where's God in all of this?

Thinking about the lyrics to 'harvest for the world'. So apt.

CoteDAzur Fri 23-Aug-13 22:30:32

Anyway, you clearly have internet access. Why don't you read up a little about the Syrian conflict and then we can talk about what is going on there and why, without seeking enlightenment from pop songs smile

SinisterSal Fri 23-Aug-13 22:41:25

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CrabbyBigBottom Fri 23-Aug-13 23:01:51

Ooh I've only just checked back and thus have missed the opportunity for a bit of fight. grin

Cote I don't quite understand what you get out of berating people who are upset by how fucking brutal and repulsive the things are that humans do to each other. Religion or not, song lyrics or anything else that helps them process it or not... I just have every sympathy for people who are affected by all the pain and suffering we inflict upon each other.

And if the most you can be offended by is that I call those pokey petty little posts 'mean' and sign my post (unusually with the "oh so un-MNetty kiss/hug) like that, then I'm glad you have the energy to get annoyed about such displaced shit.

CoteDAzur Fri 23-Aug-13 23:12:18

I'm ready to contribute to the thread as soon as OP learns the bare minimum about the subject matter and/or says something we can talk about.

Unless you count "fuck off" as a contribution, in which case you will have to engage with someone else because I try not to sink that low. To each their own smile

CountryMama Fri 23-Aug-13 23:18:16

I love that you have started this post.

i am shying away from most of the news because I just can't handle it and I actually believe that it's our (ordinary people) job to do something. The information demands a response. Whether that be prayer, supporting a charity, volunteering at a local refugee centre, writing to MPs etc.

But I also see that you want to have a philosophical discussion. I believe that suffering has 'good' aspects... It allows us to help one another and stand up to injustice. Which i believe is core to being human.

And then I just have to come back to the plain and simple truth that this conflict is terrible and shouldn't be happening.

Please let there be peace.

SinisterSal Fri 23-Aug-13 23:18:35

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OliviaMMumsnet (MNHQ) Fri 23-Aug-13 23:25:34

Evening all
Peace and love

SinisterSal Fri 23-Aug-13 23:38:55

That's the whole effin point Olivia. harrumph

MrsWolowitz Sat 24-Aug-13 08:20:43

Cote that's not nice.

Te OP is finding a song relevant to some emotions that she is going through at the moment. Who are you to be snippy with her if that brings her comfort? Very unkind.

I have a song that brings me comfort through hard times. It's called "Our God" and I've sung it through tears and it brings me comfort. There's no shame in that.

I'm very hmm at people who are so determined to belittle other people's perfectly valid feelings and way of dealing with those feelings.

MrsWolowitz Sat 24-Aug-13 08:25:23

Cote I'm hoping that you were just in a telly bad mood last night, take a look back over your posts and try to see how unkind they sound and what an insufferable know-it-all you come across as.

12thDoctorsCompanion Sat 24-Aug-13 18:20:22

Thanks for all the support, Im not a politician or a journalist or anyone who claims to know it all,Im just an ordinary no one and i was feeling shite yesterday and made the simple mistake of watching the news and got upset by a story and wanted to lean on a shoulder or two. (like many posters do on a bad day and want to share and ask simple questions)

why there are a couple of posters here making it so nasty is beyond me.

And whats wrong with approprate song lyrics? or any written woprd to describe emotions or events? FFS. Try listening to Our Tune with Simon Bates and see all the songs that mean things to people.

MrsWolowitz Sat 24-Aug-13 18:35:18

Don't let the numpties upset OP.

flowers

12thDoctorsCompanion Sat 24-Aug-13 18:42:41

crabby Country Mrs Wolowitz and all the other friendly 'lets have a chat over a coffee' posters thanks.

12thDoctorsCompanion Sat 24-Aug-13 18:43:55

When it gets to the point that HQ are deleting messages on an innocent thread.......

CrabbyBigBottom Sat 24-Aug-13 18:44:43

12th stop that right now! wink Just because one or two chose to be snippy and nasty doesn't negate the fact that you did get people replying who understand how it is to sometimes feel despairing at humans and all the devastating havoc we wreak on each other. Take comfort in that and ignore people who just want to have a pop at someone.

I certainly don't have any answers - I despair of human nature and the cruelty we are capable of. I prefer animals and the natural world tbh, the rules are simpler. But know that you aren't alone and take some comfort that there are good, decent people out there too.

yellowballoons Sat 24-Aug-13 18:58:18

12th. Dont take Cote personally. She frequently posts in a blunt manner.
Dont know the lyrics you are talking about, but people throughtout the times find songs and poens and literature and I dont know what else, comforting.
And it isnt remotely necessary to know even basics of wars going on, to know theyare not pleasant for most people involved in them.

And actually, the whole thread is good, because it has made me at least, stop and think that yes, not everyone in a war country wants or is in favour of a war.

12thDoctorsCompanion Sat 24-Aug-13 19:03:41

Thanx Crabby you're right, I was just ststing a point smile. Yellow I read/add to a few threads/sites on MN and get to know the more 'blunt' ones! grin. and get to know who to take with a pinch of salt or just kill the conversation to the goaders (is that a word?!)wink

CoteDAzur Sat 24-Aug-13 21:45:48

MrsWolowitz - I was indeed in a bad mood last night (well, worse than usual wink) but this sort of thing gets me going in the best of times.

OP asks a few questions. Several of us say what we think. The thread could have easily progressed into something interesting from there. For one thing, OP could have learned why expat is sadly very qualified to testify that if God exists, then he indeed allows innocents to suffer sad But noooo, we get called names because we didn't hold hands and sing Kumbaya hmm

If anyone is actually interested in this conflict, I will be over on the Muslim Tearoom thread, talking about it.

MrsWolowitz Sat 24-Aug-13 23:08:29

There's a difference between holding hands and singing Kumbaya and just being obnoxious.

This thread isn't about the political ins and outs of war hmm it's about someone who was shocked and upset by the suffering of many people and looking for an outlet.

MrsWolowitz Sat 24-Aug-13 23:09:37

If anyone is actually interested in this conflict, I will be over on the Muslim Tearoom thread, talking about it.

Wow, you certainly think a lot of your knowledge and opinions don't you? hmm

How very patronising ( whilst missing the point of this thread).

CoteDAzur Sat 24-Aug-13 23:21:22

Yes, it is terribly patronising to let people know that we are talking about the Syrian conflict on another thread.

MrsWolowitz Sat 24-Aug-13 23:33:16

It's not about the ins and outs if the conflict.

How dont you understand that? Honestly can you not step back and read how snippy and unnecessary your posts are?

This is about people dealing with sorrow and heartache felt from these terrible events. Not a history/politics lesson.

The OP was looking for a supportive chat and you were rude and patronising. Very inappropriate and unkind.

twistyfeet Sun 25-Aug-13 17:35:57

God gave people free will. People are using it. Many people are bastards and use it to kill other people.
Thats it in a nutshell.

12thDoctorsCompanion Sun 25-Aug-13 17:48:36

Free wills also being used on this thread hmm.

and Mrs Walowitz , again, spot on smile.

headinhands Sun 25-Aug-13 17:51:05

(the biblical god doesn't have an issue overriding free will when it suits him)

Looking at the human fossil record we are now much much less likely to be killed by another human than at any other time thoughout history. it suggests we are slowly evolving into a more peaceful specie.

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