What do you think happens when we die?(86 Posts)
I'm an athiest but studied AS level Religious Studies at school as i am fascinated by other peoples religions, thoughts and reasonings.
Now every religion and person on this earth has their own theory on what happens. Whether it be God, nothing, heaven and hell etc.
But what everyone didn't seem to understand is that there is no proof at all as to whether there is something or there is nothing. Nobody knows or will know until they die. At which point if there is nothing, then we won't know anyways
I dont want this to turn into a bun fight and i am respectful of all peoples thoughts. Each to their own etc. So what do you think happens?
Tbh I think that's just it and you cease to exist but at the same time I find it hard to believe that I won't exist. I worry it'll be boring . seriously though I just cannot get my head around the fact that I'll just be gone and never have another thought.
There was a time when you didn't exist, so why is it hard to accept that there will be a time when you won't exist?
To understand what happens when we die, let's consider another scenario:
What happens when we suffer brain trauma or brain cancer? We don't think like before, we don't act like before, and quite often, we are just not the some person, ever again.
So what happened to our "unique consciousness", soul or whatever you want to call it? It seems to be intricately related to the brain.
What do you think will happen when your brain dies?
Cote- I know that, and rationally I can accept that I won't exist and that that's the most likely scenario, but I can't quite get my head around it. It's a bit like knowing that you're not going to see the end of a mini series- a regret for what you're going to miss. I just want to find out what happens next.
I come from a scientific background and most of my peers are outspoken atheists. I believe that there is a soul, or an energy, to each of us, that is separate to the brain and the body. That energy goes somewhere. In the past I believed our souls came back many times to live on this earth until we learnt more and more until eventually we don't need to come back anymore, and will be somewhere in the universe. I think I developed these beliefs after encountering a lot of bereavement early in my life, it was my way of coping as I couldn't handle the concept of ceasing to exist forevermore.
I now believe there is a spirituality, an energy, perhaps a soul, but that's all I believe.
Logically, nothing happens after we die. We cease to exist. Extinguished. Anything else is wishful thinking and superstition IMO and a way for others to control us through religion.
I agree with Cote and blueshoes, and this is after having lost a child myself.
It's a comforting notion, that somehow death is not the end. But, well, that's what it is: a notion.
I'm not sure but from a very young age I started having memories of driving a car. At the age of 12 we moved house and I remember walking past a car park outside the local shops for the first time and thinking to myself 'that's where I used to park my car'.
As a child, I had memories of seeing the sea in Ankara (a landlocked city) where I have been only once. I would go around telling people about it. I can still recall the scene of "the beach" I saw there.
It doesn't mean that I died and lived again. It means that memory is a fickle thing.
interesting point cote about memory being fickle....maybe thats why we are all having so much trouble remembering who we are.
energy can never be lost. It does not ever cease to exist- it simply changes form. If you break everything down- you are energy.
Most people have no trouble remembering who they are.
I suspect you are referring to "who we are" before birth. (The answer to that is obviously "Nobody" but I again suspect that is not the answer you want to hear.)
You just can't use the word "remember" about things that happen before you are born because remembering is what we call recalling experiences we have chemically recorded in our brains. As such, it is not possible to remember something from before you started using this brain.
Re energy - You really should get your information from other sources than half-baked new-age blogs.
Energy is never "lost" because it transfers to your surroundings. If you stay outdoors naked in subzero temperatures, enough if your energy will transfer to the air around you and ground below you that you will likely die of hypothermia. And when that happens, all your energy will transfer to your surroundings until your body temperature measures the same as the ambient temperature.
There is no other energy that transfers anywhere else when someone dies. Or when an animal dies. Pretending that you know of such an energy (let me guess... "cosmic energy"? ) that has never been verified, never been measured nor named scientifically is not convincing, imho.
I kind of believe in reincarnation. But I don't know (obviously!) I'm not even sure I believe it. I definitely believe there is something else, just not got any firm belief in what form
cote yes, i was referring to "who we are" and I liked your answer, "no-body" cos you hit the nail on the head! I believe we are nobody before birth- a soul without a body.
I can use the word "remember" , if I like, thank you very much. And can you explain, how is it then that some people are able to remember things from their past lives or are you going to say, that that's not true- if so, then how do you know?
And about energy, i believe we are made up of energy- so wen you said earlier, that, " there was a time when you didn't exist...." yeah, we didn't exist as the physical human beings that we are today but I believe that we existed as energy and when our bodies die, we carry on existing as energy.
Err I didn't say "no-body". I said "nobody".
You can't and you don't remember anything from a time when you had not started recording memories. Honestly, I don't know how you can even try to dispute this.
"when our bodies die, we carry on existing as energy"
And my 8-year-old believes in the tooth fairy. The difference is that at least she has evidence - her milk teeth exchanged for coins under her pillow.
Yes cote i believe we carry on existing as energy- why do you seem to have such an issue with what I choose to believe in.
No-body- nobody- same thing. Your so predictable...how did i know you were going to argue that one too. Maybe it was that energy you were giving off.
And from your comments about remembering- i take it you dnt believe that people have been able to connect with spirits passed on or remember past lives...etc.... so your basically calling those people liars too?
I think we just cease.... as my MN name is derived from -
"every one of us is made of stardust" -
every atom in every single part of our being has been around since the dawn of time itself...
every atom in every single part of our being will remain until the end of time...
every single part of us will carry on for ever... just no "consciousness"
"we carry on existing as energy"
How marvellous. What kind of energy are we when dead? Heat? Gravity? Sound? Or.... can it be an "energy" that only you know about, which nobody has been able to measure before?
Re people who say they "remember" past lives - I don't know if they are liars as you say, or if they are a combination of liars, schizophrenics, attention seekers, and people who have had "experiences" following brain trauma & minor strokes (I personally know two of this last group).
Whatever you decide to believe, my friendly advice would be to not automatically believe everything you are told. People do lie. And many others have false memories for a variety of reasons.
Try to develop a critical mind. You will really need it in life
May I remind you, cote that the OP asked, "what we think happens, wen we die" and not "try to prove what happens wen we die" . cote you seem like someone who doesn't like to believe something unless there is evidence or proof to back it up. Well, just because something hasn't been proven or lacks evidence does not mean it can't be true. So my suggestion is maybe try having some faith in the unseen/unknown.
I am aware that people lie and I don't always believe everything people tell me or everything I read- I choose to believe certain things that resonate with me on a deeper level...but i guess you wouldn't understand what that feels like.
you come across as very hostile and arrogant person in your posts and one who likes to maybe force their opinions on people-not a very welcome quality- you could try maybe being a bit open minded and accepting. Oh and maybe add a splash of colour to yourself too as at the moment you appear to be very Black & White.
Why can't you answer a simple question?
What kind of energy? (Heat? Sound? Gravity? Nuclear?)
Has anyone ever documented and measured this "energy"?
Scientifically speaking- when we die, energy is released as heat into our environment.
But may i remind you, this is a philosophy/religion/spirituality thread. Our soul is a form of energy.. its not the type of energy that can be measured....only experienced. Jill Bolte Taylor is a Brain Scientist who suffered a brain hemorrhage and speaks of her own experience of how when she had this stroke- she felt alive and found nirvana. Its very interesting.
We leak heat into the environment all the time. That is why we wear thick clothes in winter. That is not "soul". It is heat. A heated kettle also cools down over time (i.e. leaks heat into the environment) and that is not its "soul", either.
I read Jill Bolte Taylor's book and recommend that you do the same. She clearly explains the reasons why she had that "nirvana" experience (her analytical left brain was awash in blood and all she had left was her "live in the moment" right brain). She couldn't talk not understand speech, and had to learn it all again over about 8 years, iirc.
Jill Bolte Taylor's book doesn't claim to have found evidence for a soul or some mysterious form of energy. It is really interesting, though. If you read it, I'm sure that you will learn a lot about the brain.
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