Christian-Muslim-Jew ish friendship thread

(209 Posts)
niminypiminy Mon 10-Jun-13 11:17:08

I've had a talk with Crescentmoon about starting a thread where Christians and Muslims can hold out our hands in friendship to one another. I feel like we have so much to offer one another, and I certainly would love to learn more about Islam, and to understand the ways in which my Muslim sisters live out their faith. Would anybody else like to join?

I'm niminypiminy, and I'm a member of the Church of England, and work, and have two children. I realise that I'd don't even know if there is an equivalent in Islam for the different denominations (aside from Sunni and Shia, which I'm not at all confident I correctly understand the difference between). I'm going to be offline for a couple of days, so can't get back to reply, but if anybody would like to use this thread to come together as Christians trying to live out our faith, and to prayerfully and open-heartedly welcome and understand each other... smile

madhairday Mon 10-Jun-13 12:28:37

Lovely idea niminy and crescentmoon. I would love to join in. I'm a Christian, married to a CofE vicar (well pioneer minister but it's complicated ;) ) and would love to learn more about Islam and chat together. I worked in a school where the intake was 95% Muslim so have very fond memories of celebrating Eid and learning about the culture a little more, though I'm still shamefully ignorant really.

Wishiwasanheiress Mon 10-Jun-13 12:37:12

If be interested. CoE. I'd like to learn about it to understand some politics etc in media. Not studied Muslim religion since school so feel very out of date. Don't trust wiki!

sammythemummy Mon 10-Jun-13 12:59:29

Im glad you're asking real life Muslims about Islam, I feel there is so much misconception out there.

Hi Im Muslim with 1 dd, i see myself as a very active Muslim, ive recently become a sahm so adjusting to that.

stressedHEmum Mon 10-Jun-13 17:40:59

I don't really know much about Islam, but I think that Christianity and Islam have very much in common and that we should be able to accept and reach out to one another in love. we all worship the same God and venerate the same prophets and holy men.

The world would be a much better place if people tried to be a bit more understanding and loving of each other.

I am an elder in the Cos, I am very active in outreach, mission, pastoral and charity work. I have 5 kids, 1 graduate about to embark on a PhD, 1 going off to uni and 3 who are HE. 3 of my boys are on the autistic spectrum and I have 1 DD.

crescentmoon is such a lovely person that I feel very close too after all the time on the Daily Gratitudes thread. I would love to explore Christian/Muslim links further on this thread.

toriap2 Mon 10-Jun-13 17:48:41

I would be interested as my daughter has many Muslim friends and as I Christian she asks lots of questions that I struggle to answer. It would be nice to learn more about the Muslim faith as her friends know more about Christianity than I know about Islam

JakeBullet Mon 10-Jun-13 17:50:57

I am Catholic and would also like to join in this. We have much we can support each other with.

superbagpuss Mon 10-Jun-13 17:51:57

what a great idea
I'm c of e, used to house share with a Muslim so we had lots of interesting conversations and think talking to each other is the best way grin.

not to hijack thread but would be nice to talk to Jewish people too as we all have the lineage as far as religious history goes

zulubump Tue 11-Jun-13 15:59:06

I would love to join too. I'm a Christian also and a fairly recent one. I have one dd aged 5 and one ds aged 3. Dd likes to ask a lot of questions so I can see we might have some interesting discussions about religion as she grows older! I bought her a book a while ago called "Different kinds of Beliefs". I do want support my kids to finding their way to their own belief.

Tuo Tue 11-Jun-13 18:03:18

Lovely idea for a thread. Count me in! smile

cloutiedumpling Tue 11-Jun-13 19:35:42

And me!

Me too!

SilverSixpence Wed 12-Jun-13 10:22:57

Great thread, id love to join too. I am Muslim and have a dear friend who is Christian who I have known since school. I do feel I have more in common with Christians especially as religion in general seems to be under threat in today's world.

crescentmoon Wed 12-Jun-13 11:02:14

Wonderful initiative dear niminy. Also would like to second superbagpuss idea and have Our Jewish cousins also to make this a thread about friendship amongst the Abrahamic faiths.

stressed I have so much deep respect for you and for your faith and find you very much a someone to look upto. I think an unexpected consequence of the daily gratitudes thread has been as a multifaith thread and I think it would be wonderful to continue that here too. I am happy to see christian mumsnetters whose posts i regularly read and look out for here supporting niminy idea! I get very intrigued reading posts about faith from a Christian perspective and find we have much in common in many things. I very much enjoy reading the passages from the bible that people post on the Christian prayer threads and others. and still find myself humming a few hymns learnt at school to myself going about my day!

sashh Thu 13-Jun-13 03:54:40

Can I just share this link about how well people can share things, wish you all luck and take my atheist self off for coffee.

www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-scotland-21953899

That's a lovely article, sashh. I'll join you for atheist coffee, if that's OK. Good luck and friendship to the thread.

niminypiminy Thu 13-Jun-13 10:06:47

Sassh thank you for sharing that story! It's a beacon of hope.

It's great to see that so many people want to be part of this smile. I've had a busy few days and have to work in a bit but I just wanted to say that I am holding everyone here, and our friendship and reaching out to each other, in my prayers today.

crescentmoon Fri 14-Jun-13 08:05:07

sashh I saw that awhile ago and was so appreciative about it too.

Here's a question iv wanted to ask for awhile. With full respect. In the Quran Jesus (as) is described as the one who came to relieve his people the Jews from some of the laws of the Old Testament. How does the New Testament specify which laws no longer need to be followed and which laws must still be followed?

superbagpuss Fri 14-Jun-13 08:09:53

crescent moon
we can eat any food
no need to be circumzised (sp?)

anyone can be a christian, you don't need to be born into it

I'm sure there are others

Can I join you, please? I am a Christian of 30 years, mostly in the C of E (Evangelical and at times pretty charismatic) but of late going to a Free Church for geographical reasons.

I am mum to an 8 year old and hope to adopt.

crescentmoon what a great question. I am going to sit back and see what others say before I jump in!

Bless you all.

stressedHEmum Fri 14-Jun-13 10:04:11

Hi, crescent smile

someone much cleverer than me will come along and explain things better than I ever could but -

in Matthew chapter 5, Jesus says that he did not come to destroy yhr Law and the Prophets but to fulfil them. When you take that in conjunction with the bit in Acts about Peter's vision re clean and unclean food and all the missions to the Gentiles, what it means, in practice, is that a Christian is not bound by the Old Testament.

We don't have to follow the Law of Moses because it is fulfilled in Jesus and summed up in his instructions to love God with everything you have and to love your neighbour as yourself. If we do this, while accepting Jesus as Lord and believing that God raised him from the dead, we are doing everything that God asks of us.

All the wee, niggly Laws about not cutting down fruit trees, wearing clothes of a single fibre and excluding menstruating women from our midst are no longer required. All those things were given to Jews young in their faith and were a way of setting them apart for God and of guiding them, but they were also a bit of a curse because the showed the Israelites, time and again that they could never be good enough. Their lives were governed by so many laws that no matter what they did, they would be breaking at least one of them.

That all pointed to their need of a Saviour to make them right with God. The Prophets talked about this all the time - about the need to repent, about the coming Saviour who would relieve them. I think, though, that many of Jesus contemporaries didn't understand the kind of Messiah that God had in mind for them, looking more for a national, political messiah than a personal one.

The commandments, or Laws, that Jesus gives us take the place of the Law of Moses and the writing of the Prophets, and set us free from the legalism of Mosaic law, but their not as easy to follow as they sound!

I hope at least some of that makes sense. as i say, someone better than me will be able to explain more clearly, but that's a start.

stressedHEmum Fri 14-Jun-13 10:05:23

Italian, I think that you may be better able to give an answer than I.

sparklingsea Fri 14-Jun-13 14:29:05

What a lovely thread. I was brought up Christian and my husband is Muslim. The differences between our creeds has very little, if any impact on our daily lives. As human beings our similarities are far greater than our differences despite our very different religious and cultural backgrounds. I like to think that we are an example of Christian and Muslim harmony, bringing up our children as citizens of the world, I hope that neighbours, colleagues, friends and family can see our differences are no big deal at all.

sparklingsea Fri 14-Jun-13 14:30:14

What a lovely thread. I was brought up Christian and my husband is Muslim. The differences between our creeds has very little, if any impact on our daily lives. As human beings our similarities are far greater than our differences despite our very different religious and cultural backgrounds. I like to think that we are an example of Christian and Muslim harmony, bringing up our children as citizens of the world, I hope that neighbours, colleagues, friends and family can see our differences are no big deal at all.

crescentmoon Fri 14-Jun-13 22:52:19

thanks stressed that was so interesting. what does Mosaic law mean in the Christian context? to me the law of Moses was the 10 commandments alone, and was the basis the later laws were built on. do the laws in Leviticus: the wee, niggly laws as you put it, count as Mosaic? I thought Jesus upheld the 10 commandments but left out the others. "The commandments, or Laws, that Jesus gives us take the place of the Law of Moses and the writing of the Prophets, and set us free from the legalism of Mosaic law, but their not as easy to follow as they sound!" can you tell me more about that? what was the vision of Peter in Acts concerning food? im not for debating btw these days just interested in the Christian viewpoint on certain matters.

also, how do you reconcile free will and God's Will in Christianity and Judaism. in the Quran it is a strong theme, both of mans free will but also of predetermination. to me it was one of the most complicated parts of scripture and it took me awhile to slot the two together.

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