FOR JAMES BULGER- Stop Thompson and Venables cashing in on phone hacking(92 Posts)
To all mums.........http://t.co/V206Ret4rp DON'T let this happen! as Denise said this is BLOOD MONEY!! http://t.co/QhxwniS8Yv PLEASE SIGN & Share with as many people as possible to stop them claiming thousands of pounds. Lets show James Bulger we will never forget. This petition needs 100,000 signatures by may 4th 2013 before it can be discussed in Parliament.
Please help to get some Justice for little James
And no, I will not sign your petition.
I agree with PetiteRaleuse, among others. Until civil law does not apply to ex-cons (or cons), they are as entitled to compensation as anyone else. No-one should have their phone hacked, least of all someone whose identity is protected - for whatever reason.
I don't wish to play down the boys' horrific crime. But they have served their time, and rehabilitation is an important part of the justice system IMO.
I find your head-shaking comments about 'lack of empathy' 'as mothers' because people don't agree with you on this issue, pretty revolting tbh. Posters were responding to that so please don't lecture on 'empathy' and 'compassion' when you've been pretty PA and rude yourself.
No matter what crime someone has committed or what age they were when they did it, they still have the same "human rights" as all other humans.
As i said before, i'm not asking you to agree- it's your right to disagree and not sign the petition. I thanked BeerTricksPotter for their dignified and compassionate reponse to the thread. The opening to the thread lacked any hint of compassion with the background to this campaign and i found it insensitive. As i said every right to oppose the campaign but you could have been more diplomatic as many replies on the thread were.
What Greensleves said. I have a toddler, but also when James was killed my brother was the same age. What those boys did was unimaginably awful. But a 9 year old kid, you have to let them get past that. Move forward. And as several have said on this thread, if they had been adults it could already have been forgotten
I hope that now social services would have been involved and been able to help.
No, you need to separate what they have done to the hacking scandal.
No. If the NOTW broke their civil rights, they have the right to claim (not necessarily receive) compensation. Their past crime(s) are irrelevant.
I agree with colditz. I have a geeky, innocent, sweet 10yo boy as well. I remember my brother at his age and how different their childhoods were. My brother isn't violent but he has struggled all his life with his feelings and dealing with the effects of a shit childhood. I can see how extreme abuse could lead to a child like Thompson being badly broken at the age of 10.
They should have gone into care and been treated as severely disturbed and traumatised children. Not crazed murderers.
No-one wants anonymous child killers living near them.
All of us would try to undo what happened to Jamie Bulger if we could.
But all of us too need to live in a society with laws and regulations that are consistent and treat everyone equally. Sometimes those laws will produce results that not everyone agrees with. But the alternative is chaos, persecution and subjective decisions about who is entitled to rights as we see in some other countries.
I know which I prefer.
The sad thing is, is that children normalise their own experiences and often replicate what they see, not all abused children kill and not all killers where abused. But I can tell you it does not take a massive much in the way of abusive, not good enough or violent or even disorganised parenting to have a detrimental affect on children.
I have always thought that they were also famously hated because there was CCTV footage of the abduction. The footage was shown over and over again. It had a profound effect on the way the media reported the crime.
No sorry I won't sign. I understand why the family feel this and doubtless I would too. But that doesn't make it right. I can hardly bare to think about this case because it's so awful. My heart breaks for James and his family. It also breaks for the children those boys should have been.
They were abused children themselves. My ten year old has ony just stopped believing in Santa, and when he grows up, he's going to be an astronaut. How far do you have to brutalise a child to take him from that sweet, innocent little boy to the boys who murdered James Bulger? What happened to them to make them do that? Children do NOT just kill each other for fun, it is not something that has to be beaten out of them, it is something that has to be beaten into them.
Whatever else they were, they were children, and bizarrely, that is why they are so famously hated, BECAUSE they were children. Toddlers die at the hands of adults every year, but how many of those adults can you name? How many can you even remember?
As the mother of a ten year old, who knows lots and lots of ten year olds ... They should have gone into care. Child abuse does not cure child abuse. They were ten. They were wrong, and what they did was appalling but they were also ten.
They were children - 10 years old. But they were tried as adults, which is wrong.
I've always thought that James Bulger was the primary victim, but so were Venables and Thompson.
It must have gone so wrong for them to have even thought of doing what they did you are right hellsbells the whole story is so sad.
Yes, as a mother (well, as a human being) I have plenty of empathy for Denise Bulger. I also feel it for those two lost, brutalised, fucked up children who did this awful thing. I look at DS (also 10) and his sweet, eager to please, slightly geeky innocence and I know that something went badly, badly wrong for them.
Guys your lack of empathy with this as presumably you are mothers is quite saddening
Another low shot.
I completely understand the sense of revulsion that someone who committed a terrible crime is eligible to compensation. But you cannot alter the law because in the service of society it throws up results that are unpalatable.
I am finding it difficult not to dismiss as guff any posts which links an acceptance that one cannot piss about with the law because it throws up a result we don't like, with empathy.
I have plenty of empathy. That has nothing to do with this issue. Pretending it does is a cheap shot.
No, I won't sign this petition. These men were children when they did what they did. They were tried in an adult court, served time and were released when they were judged by professionals to no longer be a threat to society. The one who turn out to be a threat has been put back in prison, as is fair.
The UK prison system is about punishment but it is also about rehabilitation, particularly where children are concerned. There is no way that a decision to release the two boys was taken lightly.
If they were victims of phone hacking, which was illegal, then they have a right to compensation, as does anyone else.
They have a right to anonymity as the press would out them and society can not be trusted to take what they see as justice into their own hands. The crime they committed was horrific, and it is understandable that emotions run high, but we have a justice system in place and for the most part it is fair, though not without flaws.
I can't imagine what Denise Fergus and her ex husband have been through. I can't imagine what their lives must benlike knowing that the people who took away their son are allowed to live relatively normal lives. It must seem very unfair to them. But the boys were caught, tried, and served out their punishment and rehabilitation, and fortunately it is not the victims who get to decide what happens to criminals. Can you imagine what society would be like if that were the case?
They were kids when they did it. Fucked up little kids.
Of course Denise is fronting the campaign. Any one of us in her position would probably do the same.
And that is precisely why we shouldn't be signing it.
The poor woman will never be in her right mind again. None of us would. It is very easy for us all to say that justice has been done but it would take a bigger and better person than me not to want to personally tear every shred of flesh from their bones.
Thankfully Denise Bulger (sorry, I can't remember her surname now she has remarried) is not the one who gets to decide and nor should she be.
It's just a bloody awful thing all round.
BeerTricksPotter yes NOTW committed a crime and they should pay; and yes it would be great if the money could go to charity. I'm just not a believer that criminals only notorious for their horrific crimes should be in receipt of such compensation.
Denise will probably never find peace with this and as parents i think we can understand why...although we will never (hopefully) know the true extent of such grief. I do believe if it happened to one of your children you would feel exactly the same way- this is just another slap in the face for VICTIMS who have already suffered so much.
In saying that you are right the law is the law; i can only hope that a stand would be made by the government as this could affect any one of us at any time and justice may let us down badly.
Thankyou for your compassionate reply and i respect your right not to sign. Not trying to convince just sharing a different side to the petition
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