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Just been sent this Giles Coren thing - thought I'd share with MN :) (Can't decide whether to applaud or stick pins in him)

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JustineMumsnet · 23/07/2008 23:40

As sent to Times subs...

Chaps,
I am mightily pissed off. I have addressed this to Owen, Amanda and Ben
because I don't know who i am supposed to be pissed off with (i'm assuming
owen, but i filed to amanda and ben so it's only fair), and also to Tony,
who wasn't here - if he had been I'm guessing it wouldn't have happened.
I don't really like people tinkering with my copy for the sake of
tinkering. I do not enjoy the suggestion that you have a better ear or eye
for how I want my words to read than I do. Owen, we discussed your turning
three of my long sentences into six short ones in a single piece, and how
that wasn't going to happen anymore, so I'm really hoping it wasn't you
that fucked up my review on saturday.
It was the final sentence. Final sentences are very, very important. A
piece builds to them, they are the little jingle that the reader takes with
him into the weekend.
I wrote: "I can't think of a nicer place to sit this spring over a glass of
rosé and watch the boys and girls in the street outside smiling gaily to
each other, and wondering where to go for a nosh."
it appeared as: "I can't think of a nicer place to sit this spring over a
glass of rosé and watch the boys and girls in the street outside smiling
gaily to each other, and wondering where to go for nosh."
There is no length issue. This is someone thinking "I'll just remove this
indefinite article because Coren is an illiterate cunt and i know best".
Well, you fucking don't.
This was shit, shit sub-editing for three reasons.

  1. 'Nosh', as I'm sure you fluent Yiddish speakers know, is a noun formed
    from a bastardisation of the German 'naschen'. It is a verb, and can be
    construed into two distinct nouns. One, 'nosh', means simply 'food'. You
    have decided that this is what i meant and removed the 'a'. I am insulted
    enough that you think you have a better ear for English than me. But a
    better ear for Yiddish? I doubt it. Because the other noun, 'nosh' means "a
    session of eating" - in this sense you might think of its dual valency as
    being similar to that of 'scoff'. you can go for a scoff. or you can buy
    some scoff. the sentence you left me with is shit, and is not what i meant.
    Why would you change a sentnece aso that it meant something i didn't mean?
    I don't know, but you risk doing it every time you change something. And
    the way you avoid this kind of fuck up is by not changing a word of my copy
    without asking me, okay? it's easy. Not. A. Word. Ever.
  2. I will now explain why your error is even more shit than it looks. You
    see, i was making a joke. I do that sometimes. I have set up the street as
    "sexually-charged". I have described the shenanigans across the road at
    G.A.Y.. I have used the word 'gaily' as a gentle nudge. And "looking for a
    nosh" has a secondary meaning of looking for a blowjob. Not specifically
    gay, for this is soho, and there are plenty of girls there who take money
    for noshing boys. "looking for nosh" does not have that ambiguity. the joke
    is gone. I only wrote that sodding paragraph to make that joke. And you've
    fucking stripped it out like a pissed Irish plasterer restoring a
    renaissance fresco and thinking jesus looks shit with a bear so plastering
    over it. You might as well have removed the whole paragraph. I mean,
    fucking christ, don't you read the copy?
  3. And worst of all. Dumbest, deafest, shittest of all, you have removed
    the unstressed 'a' so that the stress that should have fallen on "nosh" is
    lost, and my piece ends on an unstressed syllable. When you're winding up a
    piece of prose, metre is crucial. Can't you hear? Can't you hear that it is
    wrong? It's not fucking rocket science. It's fucking pre-GCSE scansion. I
    have written 350 restaurant reviews for The Times and i have never ended on
    an unstressed syllable. Fuck. fuck, fuck, fuck.
    I am sorry if this looks petty (last time i mailed a Times sub about the
    change of a single word i got in all sorts of trouble) but i care deeply
    about my work and i hate to have it fucked up by shit subbing. I have been
    away, you've been subbing joe and hugo and maybe they just file and fuck
    off and think "hey ho, it's tomorrow's fish and chips" - well, not me. I
    woke up at three in the morning on sunday and fucking lay there, furious,
    for two hours. weird, maybe. but that's how it is.
    It strips me of all confidence in writing for the magazine. No
    exaggeration. i've got a review to write this morning and i really don't
    feel like doing it, for fear that some nuance is going to be removed from
    the final line, the pay-off, and i'm going to have another weekend ruined
    for me.
    I've been writing for The Times for 15 years and i have never asked this
    before - i have never asked it of anyone i have written for - but I must
    insist, from now on, that i am sent a proof of every review i do, in pdf
    format, so i can check it for fuck-ups. and i must be sent it in good time
    in case changes are needed. It is the only way i can carry on in the job.
    And, just out of interest, I'd like whoever made that change to email me
    and tell me why. Tell me the exact reasoning which led you to remove that
    word from my copy.
    Right,
    Sorry to go on. Anger, real steaming fucking anger can make a man verbose.
    All the best
    Giles
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BoysAreLikeDogs · 23/07/2008 23:42

Blimey that's one cross fellow

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Katisha · 23/07/2008 23:43

I think pins...

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Carmenere · 23/07/2008 23:44

OMG

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bookswapper · 23/07/2008 23:46

twist knickers in a...rearrange that syntax Giles m'boy

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Carmenere · 23/07/2008 23:47

I mean he has a point but he is being precious. If he was on here I would guess that there was something else going on in his life........

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harpsichordcarrier · 23/07/2008 23:47

my lord
the boy sounds in desperate need of a shag, tbh

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Hecate · 23/07/2008 23:47

I would love to read their reply!

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hoxtonchick · 23/07/2008 23:48

don't you fancy him harpsi???

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Hecate · 23/07/2008 23:48

Be honest - doesn't anyone else think he actually sounds like he could be a mner?

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thumbwitch · 23/07/2008 23:48

ah no, I think applause - bless him, it's like having your baby painted green to make it look better

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toolly · 23/07/2008 23:49

Giles is too far up his own arse. It's a newspaper review, it will be lining my rabbit's cage tomorrow. Get over yourself.

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BoysAreLikeDogs · 23/07/2008 23:50

Justine wtf are you doing up so late

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PinkTulips · 23/07/2008 23:50

pmsl

took me 6 attempts to see the missing 'a'

i kept thinking 'is it a typo, did he paste the same sentance twice by accident?'

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LongLiveGreenElizabeth · 23/07/2008 23:53

I see his point.

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unknownrebelbang · 23/07/2008 23:55

Oh dear.

He's a little bit cross, isn't he?

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MarsLady · 23/07/2008 23:56
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blowsy · 23/07/2008 23:58

Good on him. He sounds a nightmare, but good on him.

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PortAndLemon · 24/07/2008 00:10

Pins. Definitely. It's a review in a newspaper, not a work of art. Lying awake for two hours? Having his whole weekend ruined? Pah.

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Califrau · 24/07/2008 00:15

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mymblemummy · 24/07/2008 00:18

Hatpins.

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talilac · 24/07/2008 07:41

Thats unintentionally hilarious. I like Giles on the telly, but he does strike me as being very, um, aware of his own importance.

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Hassled · 24/07/2008 07:56

He sounds scary. Those subs are going to do what they can to scupper his unstressed syllables from now on in, aren't they?

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roisin · 24/07/2008 08:09

Hysterical - thanks for that Justine.

Dh loves reading Giles every weekend. It doesn't do anything for me I'm afraid.

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