Learned or learnt ?

(31 Posts)
MiniMonty Wed 23-Oct-13 01:42:14

What say you?

I'm seeing homework and I'm railing against certain spellings that go unchecked and unmolested.
Dreamed or dreamt?
Learnt or learned?
(there are many others).

I am perfectly happy for the language to evolve and change - hang on - no I'm not...

So what say you?

iklboo Thu 02-Jan-14 23:12:21

Unless you're using 'smelt' to describe processing steel, of course.

WhomessweetWhomes Thu 02-Jan-14 22:44:51

They are the same. Both are quite correctly used as past tense and past participle in British English.

RobinSparkles Thu 02-Jan-14 22:02:20

Smelled or smelt?

CocktailQueen Thu 02-Jan-14 21:36:28

Past tenses - either leant, learnt, burnt or leaned, learned, burned is fine, so long as consistent.

DeckTheHallsWithBoughsOfHorry Mon 09-Dec-13 13:48:02

I pronounce them differently, so for me it's "I learned that in 1995" but "yes, DS1 has learnt his spellings".

As for adjectives, it's "my learned friend" (lur-nid) but "learnt behaviours" (lurnt).

ReallyOverThis Mon 09-Dec-13 13:07:41

Teacake, proven is the past participle in the perfect tense-he has proven his point. But he proved his point.

ReallyOverThis Mon 09-Dec-13 13:06:05

Learned can be an adjective but not pronounced "lur-ned" as in le mousquetaire anonyme's example about the learned behaviour of the monkeys - that is not "lur-ned" because the monkeys are not wise like a "lur-ned" lawyer. The adjective is describing the behaviour.

Nb I am pretty sure that "he burnt the toast" is just as correct as "he burned the toast".

TeacakeEater Thu 07-Nov-13 21:02:38

Proven or proved? Would someone put me out of my misery?

NewBlueShoesToo Thu 07-Nov-13 20:57:57

Burnt and burned?

mathanxiety Sun 27-Oct-13 17:47:05

I cannot abide 'dove'.

kickassangel Sun 27-Oct-13 15:28:57

And they use dove not dived. Freaks me every time

mathanxiety Sat 26-Oct-13 21:54:16

Always spoiled in the US. Spoiled child, spoiled food, they spoiled the day for everyone, etc.

EverythingUnderControl Sat 26-Oct-13 21:45:12

Also spoiled and spoilt. I'm never sure when to use themconfused

mathanxiety Sat 26-Oct-13 21:43:03

No, learnt is an incorrect spelling in the US. Dreamt is also incorrect. Burnt is fine though.

NoComet Sat 26-Oct-13 21:36:30

is leart not used in the US, my windows spell checker is having a huff. It seems american as it can't spell colour and stuffs zzzzzz in all over.

PiratePanda Sat 26-Oct-13 21:27:54

Hey, I still use amongst rather than among.

Mummyoftheyear Sat 26-Oct-13 21:21:58

Both fine

mathanxiety Thu 24-Oct-13 04:53:37

I use burnt as an adjective, and burned as a verb.
'I burned the toast'
'Burnt toast'

yeghoulsandlittledevils Wed 23-Oct-13 06:21:07

I use learned and dreamed and pronounce them learnt and dreamt. Is that wrong too?

nagynolonger Wed 23-Oct-13 06:17:58

I was always taught that the past tense was always learnt, dreamt, slept, kept etc. English irregular verbs.

More people do say learned and dreamed now but not sleeped and keeped.

Spelt and spelled is another one where both forms are used.

JustBecauseICan Wed 23-Oct-13 06:11:59

(fine as verbs obv)

JustBecauseICan Wed 23-Oct-13 06:11:34

Both are fine.

I use the "t" ones.

changeforthebetter Wed 23-Oct-13 06:09:35

According to the BBC (can't do link on the iPad) both are correct but you should be consistent using either as a past participle. You cannot substitute 'learnt' for 'learned' as an adjective - my learned friend.

Arrogant fecker X (ex English teacher) insisted it was learned. confused

mathanxiety Wed 23-Oct-13 05:55:42

Learned as an adjective would be pronounced lur-ned?

mathanxiety Wed 23-Oct-13 05:53:12

I always use learned, but I use dreamt and dreamed. Dreamed is used in the sense of 'They dreamed of visiting Disneyland', whereas dreamt would be used in the context of nocturnal dreaming.

I grew up in Ireland. The DCs, who speak American English, never use learnt -- it's always learned, but use dreamed and dreamt as I do.

They learned math in school and dreamed of getting As in their finals, but dreamt of getting Fs the night before their exams...

I was always taught that learnt is a colloquial form of the more correct learned -- spelled as it is pronounced but not really correct.

Dreamt and dreamed otoh have different pronunciations.

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