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FREEVIEW ADULT CHANNELS - PORN?

(70 Posts)
CityGirls Fri 18-Feb-11 20:50:48

I would be interested to hear people's views on the accessibility of the ADULT CHANNEL section currently on FREEVIEW.
Whilst I believe that people should have the right to choose if they watch this material I don't think terrestial tv is the right platform on which to broadcast it. My concerns are that this material is too freely available to the Under 18 age group. I don't think that Parental Control Pin Numbers are a viable option of control either. Surely this material should be available by registration only so that the viewer has to prove he/she is over 18yrs?
From what I have seen from these adult/chat channels they really don't give out a good message to young people who are learning about sex and are impressionable.
What do you think? Should they stay / go / have more restrictions to programme content?

Mumoftwodaughters Sun 17-Mar-13 00:15:36

I thought Mumsnet was for parents. ConcernedViewer has clearly lost his way and needs to go and find a different chat space.

Mumoftwodaughters Sun 17-Mar-13 00:07:17

I am really with everyone who says we should be able to opt in. We have freeview. Correct me if I'm wrong, but can't the children agree to a download of updates from freeview and thereby reinstall all the deleted channels as they reload when updating. I am a single parent & feel like I am on constant watch at batting out the incoming communications into the safe zone - OUR HOME. Its bad enough managing the computer - 2 children to ensure they safe on their individual logins. Isn't there a govt person responsible for childrens' welfare? Surely if there is, this should come within their remit.

ConcernedViewer Sat 10-Mar-12 04:33:35

I am not a Scottishbloke. Sorry to disappoint smile

DressDownFriday Fri 09-Mar-12 16:48:05

concernedviewer are you a scottishbloke by any chance? Just asking.

ConcernedViewer Fri 09-Mar-12 16:40:44

I thought I'd chime in here.

I'm 35 year old male, who has SKY and who watches the babe channels from time to time. One of the main reasons I watch is simple, there's nothing better on at that hour, and I enjoy the image of a beautiful woman! With that said, I find these current complaints quite extreme. From all of the babe sessions I've seen, none of them are as explicit as shows like Sexcetera, Eurotrash, Guide To Sex (This has shown ejaculation, and has even taught viewers how to have your girlfriend use a dildo on you!) or some of the other NON adult channels that show much more, uncensored for most of the time as well. This is why I don't get what the fuss is about regarding the adult channels which are much tamer!

I understand this is more about freeview, but shouldn't this be up to the parents to make sure that their children are in bed, or, to make sure that their child's TV doesn't have those channels on it? It's very easy to block any channel you don't want a child to view, if infact that random child would have a TV in their room or be up at these hours in the first place.

Ofcom seems to dismiss these easy safety meassures for some unknown reason, probably money orientated as they seem to fine the adult channels a lot of money lately, yet we never hear about fines for the more explicit NON adult channels that I mentioned.

I think it's time for the people to start doing things on their own, instead of having to rely on a mostly nonsensical regulatory system that is very hypocritical!

While I do think some content should be banned from free to view TV, I don't think anything on the 900 channels should be banned, and I think even more should possibly be shown. What is so wrong about a nude female body? It's natural, and not something to be ashamed of. If we can watch graphic and sometimes very realistic violence (Much of it REAL crime) on free to view TV, as well as more explicit sexual content as I posted above, then why would seeing a nude woman on the 900 channels be worse, or even equal to that? As it stands, a fully nude woman is NOT allowed to be shown in all her glory on the 900 channels, which I actually find a bit offensive, as if Ofcom is saying a female body is ugly and shouldn't be shown, yet they allow it on other channels, as well as uncensored penises left and right.

For free view, the 900 channels should be the least of the issues compared to what is shown elsewhere.

Parents need to take responsibility. Ofcom needs to focus on more important issues. There are safety measures on the TV. Full frontal nudity on certain channels is not dangerous!

danniclare Tue 19-Jul-11 20:19:42

niceguy2 says channels only start after midnight and are not free. That might be true for soft-core encrypted channels on Freeview, but on Sky the same channels start at 10pm. TBH those don't bother me as they are pay-only so they won't pop up accidentally when fat finger trouble strikes or DS gets frisky.

What does bother me is the totally free channels on both Freeview and Sky that broadcast 24 hours a day, varying strength according to the time. A bunch of free channels have just been slapped on the wrist for strong content at 9pm. At best they will tone down for a month or so. Both DS are teens and have occasional use of the remote. And wrong channels do get selected. Someone mentioned getting the QVC number wrong. The BBC regional channels have 900 numbers, like the adult ones. Am I being unreasonable not wanting Busty Brenda popping up miming masturbation when the Neighbourhood Watch are round?

beanlet Tue 19-Jul-11 00:50:03

My DS, 12 mths, has just learned how to use the TV remote, and he flicked through to the Adult Section today. Fortunately he's not usually awake at 11 pm, and is too young to understand what he's looking at, but think how many parents let really quite young children have TVs in their bedrooms, where they could easily view this stuff without supervision?

Frankly I think it's appalling that it's on free to air.

ManicMiner Tue 19-Jul-11 00:41:04

Get Virgin media, there are no porn channels on it.

Fair enough. It's more of a personal bugbear than a general rule smile

It is perfectly fine (and more usual tbh) to start new threads on old topics. In fact, if you want to talk about breastfeeding or SAHM vs WOHM, it's practically mandatory!

There is a useful guide to acronyms floating around somewhere too. Otherwise it is all a bit baffling at first.

danniclare Mon 18-Jul-11 23:18:44

Oh, Pickgo asked if I have been in touch with Ofcom. No, but I have tracked down a consultation response here where Ofcom just passively accepts that it is too difficult to impose EPG controls at present.

"there is therefore no need to reconsider the requirements in relation to labelling and segregation which were proposed in the consultation" (banning adult channels from Freeview).

They took account that "[The] DTT platform itself ... lacks the EPG information and controls other platforms afford viewers" and "it is possible that a significant proportion of DTT set top boxes in use would not afford PIN protection for use by viewers to block access to certain channels" then "as DTT set top boxes only require a terrestrial aerial, they are often used as second-set receivers and therefore more likely to be in use in childrens’ bedrooms".

Five claimed “it is somewhat disingenuous for Ofcom to argue that the Freeview platform might evolve to develop segregated EPGs, as Freeview is a horizontal platform with a large legacy of receivers with different capabilities”.

So, already considered on our behalf and rejected as unnecessary.

niceguy2 Mon 18-Jul-11 23:00:53

I see your point but quite honestly it's a much ado about nothing really.

The channels only start at midnight and then only for the trial period. I don't think there are any truly free ones. So firstly your kids would have to be up at that time and as sensible caring parents, they bloody well shouldn't be! Let sat alone watching any channel they please on TV!

Secondly as others have said, you can PIN lock the channels

Thirdly the porn on there is pretty shite. I watched a bit after my exGF told me how much I was paying for porn and I was like "What porn? We have porn!??! Cool!" It was shockingly bad. And as others have said, nothing a child cannot beat with a little help from Google.

danniclare Mon 18-Jul-11 22:45:47

After quite a while searching I have just worked out that OP is not someone's initials but stands for Original Poster. No, I'm not OP, I'm new and still finding my way round. Apologies if resurrecting an old thread isn't done, but it was a while before I realised this tread dated from Feb and there are several reasons why the subject interests me. Following on from previous comments seemed more sensible than creating a new near duplicate.

How did I find it? Well at first I didn't know how to find my way round the banner bar at the top (I'm still finding my way round) and used the search function. I started off browsing posts about News International and Sky then tried random other subjects that caught my attention.

For what it's worth I know a (few) people who have accidentially put in the wrong channel number, sometimes in company, and have frieds and relatives who would be motified if a screenful of women in underwear popped up when they were expecting Cash In The Attic. And some people with a more robust attitude.

ProcastinatorGeneral said "Why do people expect a regulator/service provider to parent for them?". Well I'm not suggesting banning these channels (unlike some people), simply getting away from the equivalent of a newsagents with top shelf mags at kids eye level and open on the contents page.

What I'm picking up is that there are a wide range of views on the subject, from couldn't care less, through can delete them myself, to the box rescans automatically and dislike. That and a pretty low level of interest.

It also bothers me that torture porn like Hostel and Saw is sold in big name supermarkets on the bottom shelf without even the figleaf of a top shelf position, but I suppose that is a different topic entirely.

But at the risk of going off topic, is it just adult channels that bother people, or is anyone else bothered by other genres on TV?

This isn't incredibly relevant but Danniclare, why have you resurrected an old thread? Are you the OP with a name change?

How did you even find the bloody thing?!

LeninGrad Mon 18-Jul-11 21:47:57

I don't even want to see them on the EPG, just got Virgin TiVo and think I can hide them all now, thank fuck for that.

mauricetinkler Mon 18-Jul-11 21:45:15

It's not proper porn a lot of the time OP, just women with their kit off. You're getting way too Mary Whitehouse about this methinks.

Why do people expect a regulator/service provider to parent for them? Don't like it? Sort it yourself, don't abdicate your responsibilities and get hacked off when your kids see something they ought not.

joric Mon 18-Jul-11 21:29:02

OP - I hide these channels by doing this...
MENU
SETUP
DVB TUNING MENU
ACCESS
CHANNEL LIST
ACCESS
I then have a list of all freeview channels- I UNTICK the ones I don't want to appear when I search through channels - e.g. Russia today, adult section, tv x, adult smile, babestation, adult party , rabbit, gay rabbit..... Shall I go on !!!*

pickgo Mon 18-Jul-11 21:11:20

And the adverts are pretty bad too.

BEWARE those who think they've got rid of them by deleting the channel. I've had to re delete regularly (about 5 times in the last 18 months) because the tv automatically rescans every so often to check if new channels are available - and suddenly they all poop pop up again.

dannic May I ask, have you been in touch with ofcom?

acsec Sun 17-Jul-11 18:31:32

The Babestation channels are on all day (they take their bras off after 9) They are freely available on Freeview

danniclare Sun 17-Jul-11 18:28:29

So these channels are automatically added to the listings for both Freeview (digital terrestial TV) and Sky, and unless parents know about them and actively delete or lock them they will be listed and available. Typing in a wrong number can result in acute embarrasment.

Does anyone think Ofcom should use it's weight to force (new) Freeview boxes to have better adult controls and opt-in rather than opt-out?

How many people think the Sky channels should be opt-in rather than opt-out? Or are these non-issues?

larakitten Sun 17-Jul-11 13:36:03

I agree. I have a tv with sky, and a tv using freeview in my house. I have a young DD and do not want her to accidentally stumble across this - pin used or not - so I delete all the channels to avoid this happening. But its the fact that I have to do this at all is what irks me......porn is not something I personally enjoy but realise that people do, so why not make it an "opt in" thing rather than "opting out"??

danniclare Sun 17-Jul-11 13:34:41

Has anyone tuned into these by accident? How often does that happen?

brownleatherbrogues Sun 17-Jul-11 12:59:43

if people want to watch this rubbish (its not porn just rubbish imo) they will, if they dont they wont

doesnt affect me whatsoever

I delete mine, and the shopping channels.

The Ex used to get a PIN for them by doing something with his pay as you go mobile - they texted him a PIN and, I presume, took an amount in charges from his phone. I found this out as he was becoming an Ex so I don't know the details. But it would be easy enough for children to manage if all you need is a PAYG phone.

SardineQueen Sun 17-Jul-11 12:35:23

I think that it is more reasonable for people who want to view these channels to opt in, than have all the parents in the country sitting there trying to work out how to delete the individual channels only to have them all come back when the box updates. Not to mention the fact that so many people don't know they are there / can't work out how to do it / simply can't be arsed.

I agree that the default should be that you have to opt in, rather than the current default of opt-out.

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