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FREEVIEW ADULT CHANNELS - PORN?(70 Posts)
I would be interested to hear people's views on the accessibility of the ADULT CHANNEL section currently on FREEVIEW.
Whilst I believe that people should have the right to choose if they watch this material I don't think terrestial tv is the right platform on which to broadcast it. My concerns are that this material is too freely available to the Under 18 age group. I don't think that Parental Control Pin Numbers are a viable option of control either. Surely this material should be available by registration only so that the viewer has to prove he/she is over 18yrs?
From what I have seen from these adult/chat channels they really don't give out a good message to young people who are learning about sex and are impressionable.
What do you think? Should they stay / go / have more restrictions to programme content?
you can delete the channel
i can anyway
I don't want to see them on my screen either. How can I delete them?
I agree with you Citygirls. I don't even want the bloody channel names appearing, nevermind the crap beaming into my living room.
What mindless moron would think it's ok to dehumanise and objectify other people in the way porn does? It's disgusting and can be very damaging to young people. I saw a porn movie when I was 12 and was horrified - more at the men leering at it than anything.
The porn channels advertised are the reason I won't get Sky and whenever a salesperson offers Sky I make sure I always tell them the reason.
Like parental controls on computers, you should have to opt in to these things, not out. Bring back Mary Whitehouse!
...I was with you up till Mary Whitehouse. I think a certain amount of realistic adult behaviour (swearing, flirting, nudity etc.) is fairly undamaging - but as Smokingnuns said, why should there be such a disproportionate amount of unrealistic sexuality available to skew young minds (inc. music videos, adverts, minipop Biebermiley Spears, etc)
pickgo, if you become too Mary Whitehouse about it, it becomes all the more fascinating and you will be just be called a prude by men who want a quick, lonely wank. If people want to watch and it turns them on, let them, I find it either dreary or laughable. Many young girls aspire to the porn look, I suppose their boyfriends watch it and they try to compete with that look - body length tatoo, the overly plucked eyebrows, the collagen lips. Up to them, soneone has to like it. If there are too many studious girls, it will just make university entry all the more competitive, being a bimbo should be encouraged. Evil laugh - whar, har, har, har.
Agree, it should be a choice that the viewer opts into.
someone has to like it.
in an obvioulsy cool studio???
Have you ever been in a TV studie - they're bloody roasting - those lights omg - I was dripping sweat by the time my 15 minutes of "fame" were up
And if you don't want them "searching" for Cbeebies - there's an easy answer.
Hide the remote (so they can't fiddle with numbers) = leave it on Cbeebies before you go to bed, and teach them how to switch it on at the box. - Hey presto - Cbebbies all ready for tem.
Mary Whitehouse a bit of a joke... but with all this bollox floating about about how porn is liberating for women, there seems to be a lot of coyness around just saying fairly and squarely porn exploits women and dehumanises both genders - also it's just yuk IMHO and should not be socially acceptable.
To me it's about as much of a turn on as seeing 2 dogs shagging in the street.
Seriously got no objection to swearing, nudity or straightforward (iykwim) sex on view.
But what about if, as an adult, you simply don't want to see the
titties titles on the menu, let alone the programmes? Debbie does A**L conveys an image I'd rather not think about when I'm eating a bagel.
De-tune the adult channels, we have.
People seem to be talking about 2 different things. On Sky there is an Adult section of the program guide, and the whole section can be deleted or locked in 1 go. On Freeview there are about 6 Adult channels that can be individually controlled, depending on your settop box. But there is no way of deleting them all in one go, you have to do it channel by channel, and they come back if you retune. This gives 2 problems:
- They come back when you retune
- It's tedious to delete each channel
- Some people don't even know they exist, so they don't delete them.
I don't see why Sky don't ship Sky receivers with the Adult section switched off. That would prevent viewing by kids whose parents don't know about them.
More seriously, Ofcom say Freeview boxes come in lots of flavours so they can't impose the same level of technical control as on Sky where one big* business has monopoly control.
GET A GRIP OFCOM - YOU ARE THE REGULATOR
OK, existing settop boxes can't be changed, but there is a thriving market in new ones and they don't cost much to replace. "Ask" the manufacturers to add standard Parental Control features to all new boxes sold, in say 6 months time. These should include a standard for detecting Adult channels and automatically blocking them unless deliberately unlocked, and a way of locking the lot in one go.
What's in it for the manufacturers? A shiney "Ofcom approved" sticker. A more sales that the dodgey boxes in the corner with no sticker.
And follow that up by going to the Minister and demanding legal powers to force controls on manufacturers of settop recievers.
GROW A BACKBONE OFCOM
On my telly:
740- QVC shopping channel
Got it wrong once and Feck Me! Got a shock
I'm sorry, but to all the people who say that you can set up parental PIN, or delete the channels - yes, that is a valid point, but a lot of people have no idea that these channels even exist, my parents certainly didn't! They never go past More 4 on the planner and didn't see babestation or gay rabbit or any of that. A 4yo is more than capable of using a remote and accidentally clicking on these channels.
I'm not saying that they shouldn't be available, but they should be opt in, rather than delete/add PIN.
It's very very easy to say 'well, don't let them watch it', or 'don't let them have a remote' but I'm guessing the people saying this don't have a resourceful 3yo who can work the remote, turn on the TV and flick through the channels. We monitor, we check, obviously, but if I'm having a shower upstairs, he could easily flick channels and find something like this. I'm aware of it. I've put on parental controls and deleted these channels, but there are plenty of people who don't even know about them.
Christ, I'm coming across as the anti-porn police. I'm not, I don't give a shit about porn either way, but something like gay rabbit should not be as easy to access.
I agree daniclare - I'm sure it can't be that difficult to solve this problem technologically.
Have you been in touch with Ofcom then?
"why do we have them in the first bloody place though? imo it would be better if they had to be opted into. even if they are free"
Exactly - why!?
Stupid - we don't need em!
And I don't even want the "ADULT" section on my TV either. Why does it automatically get put there.
My kids are in bed at the times these things are shown and I don't have the remote in reach for them to choose what they watch.
If you can't work out how to block the channels you don't want then phone the helpline and they will assist you. If you can't work out how to do that then your kids accessing inappropriate channels is probably the least of your worries regarding their care.
I'd not call the Freeview channels porn you have to pay for porn on any TV service.
Just because someone is in a bra and chatting on the phone does not make it porn. There are young girls going clubbing in less clothes.
They're not available on terrestrial tv - only cable or satelite. Terrestrial channels are BBC1 & 2, ITV1, C4 and Five. All other channels are Digital (accessed via cable or sat as above).
When the switchover happens, I believe the plan is to have to opt-in to any adult channel, not opt-out as is the current system.
Problem will be solved!
Technically they are opt in, since freeview boxes / TVs don't come tuned in.
If you decide to go for "auto tune" when you first get your TV/box then you are effectively "opting in" to all channels available.
I think that it is more reasonable for people who want to view these channels to opt in, than have all the parents in the country sitting there trying to work out how to delete the individual channels only to have them all come back when the box updates. Not to mention the fact that so many people don't know they are there / can't work out how to do it / simply can't be arsed.
I agree that the default should be that you have to opt in, rather than the current default of opt-out.
I delete mine, and the shopping channels.
The Ex used to get a PIN for them by doing something with his pay as you go mobile - they texted him a PIN and, I presume, took an amount in charges from his phone. I found this out as he was becoming an Ex so I don't know the details. But it would be easy enough for children to manage if all you need is a PAYG phone.
if people want to watch this rubbish (its not porn just rubbish imo) they will, if they dont they wont
doesnt affect me whatsoever
Has anyone tuned into these by accident? How often does that happen?
I agree. I have a tv with sky, and a tv using freeview in my house. I have a young DD and do not want her to accidentally stumble across this - pin used or not - so I delete all the channels to avoid this happening. But its the fact that I have to do this at all is what irks me......porn is not something I personally enjoy but realise that people do, so why not make it an "opt in" thing rather than "opting out"??
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