Does you regret giving your child the pre-school MMR?

(43 Posts)
mamamidwife Mon 05-Aug-13 22:55:21

My son has his MMR and other booster tomorrow as he is 3 & 1/2. He has had all the other jabs but I was just getting cold feet about the MMR and the doctors letter said I could sign attached declaration to decline that particular jab, but they don't do it for the other vaccinations, so I thought it was a tad strange. He has had no problems with his other vaccinations.
Your thoughts please?

LynetteScavo Mon 05-Aug-13 22:58:37

No, no regrets at all.

If I regret any, it's the first MMR, because DS1 reacted to it. Only mildly though.

AnythingNotEverything Mon 05-Aug-13 22:59:00

No.

Ablababla Mon 05-Aug-13 22:59:44

But hasn't he already had MMR at 13 months? If do its just more of the same.

Flojobunny Mon 05-Aug-13 23:00:47

No of course not

oscarwilde Mon 05-Aug-13 23:08:12

No. DD had hers early at 2.5 last summer as we were going on hols somewhere there was a measles epidemic. Gave me a lot of peace of mind this summer. Stressing like mad that the baby will get measleshmm

MaryKatharine Mon 05-Aug-13 23:10:44

As an aside, you can actually decline any of the vaccinations due for your child. I am not for one minute suggesting that you do that but you just seemed under the impression that you could decline the MMR but not the others. The form is probably because that is the vaccine that most people are nervous about.

Just one other thing; if, for whatever reason, you do have worries, you can pay privately to have a test which will tell you if your child has developed immunity from their first MMR. I seem to remember it's like a scratch test on the back of the hand but you'd need to contact a private clinic to get the full information.
The second dose isn't actually a booster but a safeguard as not all children develop immunity after the 1st jab so it's a fail safe to help preserve immunity. Your child does not need two doses to be immune but the general population does.

My children are completely vaccinated btw (although I did delay and stagger their baby jabs) so this is just information to help you make an informed choice.

mamamidwife Mon 05-Aug-13 23:26:42

Thanks for all your helpful advice, it's reassuring to hear.

I know I can decline any vaccination but the docs letter just threw me with its rather formal opt out clause!

Andro Tue 06-Aug-13 11:35:24

Yes,I very much regret it - it landed her in intensive care and very nearly killed her. I now have a DD who is so terrified of the GP she has full blown panic attack just walking through the door to reception.

mamamidwife Tue 06-Aug-13 11:47:14

Why did she end up in ICU?was it an anaphylaxis? Or some other reaction? Only if you want to share of course

Andro Tue 06-Aug-13 11:55:55

I don't mind sharing. She had a massive allergic reaction, her blood pressure just dumped and she went into cardiac arrest - it took ages to stabilise her. We know it was the vaccine because of how quickly she reacted...I don't think I have ever been more scared. She is the 1 in a million who had a near fatal reaction.

mamamidwife Tue 06-Aug-13 12:14:40

Blimey! how frightening for you sad
And was that the second MMR she had?

DioneTheDiabolist Tue 06-Aug-13 12:15:49

No.

Andro Tue 06-Aug-13 12:22:52

mamamidwife Yes, it was (second dose and very frightening). I wish I knew how to help her with the psychological fall out, but that's another thread altogether (and probably the remit of a professional!).

LondonMother Tue 06-Aug-13 12:25:06

That must have been absolutely terrifying, Dione, and I hope she made a good recovery physically and eventually gets over the psychological after effects.

To balance things out, though, I have to mention a conversation I had with a colleague last week. He was on his way to visit friends whose daughter is in intensive care because of measles. She is critically ill and may not pull through. I didn't ask about the MMR, obviously, but I assume she didn't have it.

I'd go ahead with it without a qualm, unless there's anything in your son's medical history or the wider family's medical histories to suggest caution.

For what it's worth both my children (now grown up) had the MMR and there were no problems. My daughter has Asperger's and is absolutely vociferous in her condemnation of Andrew Wakefield and his totally discredited 'research'.

LondonMother Tue 06-Aug-13 12:25:30

Sorry, Andro, not Dione.

eccentrica Tue 06-Aug-13 12:28:04

Andro that is absolutely horrible, sorry you went through that.

My daughter is luckily one of the 999,999 out of a million who don't have a bad reaction, so no, I'm happy that she's had both doses. She had the second one early, at 2 1/2, because we were spending lots of time in Wales during the measles epidemic.

motownmover Tue 06-Aug-13 12:31:58

Actually I heard of someone getting measles who had MMR - isn't it because of the heard mentality?

Viviennemary Tue 06-Aug-13 12:32:02

Glad your DD recovered Andro. I decided mine wouldn't have the MMR and I'm glad I made that decision. But I wouldn't presume to tell anyone else what to do.

noblegiraffe Tue 06-Aug-13 12:33:13

How strange that she was fine with the first and not the second, Andro. Did they have an explanation?
Glad she has recovered, physically at least.

My DS was fine with both his. Not even a temperature.

ILoveAFullFridge Tue 06-Aug-13 12:41:45

The first would probably have sensitised her - you don't get an allergic reaction on first exposure but on subsequent ones. Terrifying. Hypnotherapy is very good for PTSD.

All of mine are fully immed. We have Asperger's in our family, and there is absolutely no correlation between whether the individuals have it or not, or to what degree, and to whether or not they have been immed.

The only reactions any of mine had were to some of their earlier 3/4/5-in1 triples, in which case we broke down the later doses and spaced them out.

Tee2072 Tue 06-Aug-13 12:45:54

Not just no, fuck no.

Andro Tue 06-Aug-13 12:50:20

noblegiraffe - no explanation other than 'these things can happen and it is a little unfortunate that it made her so unwell' (the words of one of the doctors and something of an understatement I think). DD is adopted though so if there had been a subtle reaction we wouldn't necessarily have known.

mamamidwife Tue 06-Aug-13 12:52:39

It makes sense it was the second vaccination as the first one is the body's sensitizing event, the second one is the reacting event, thats how most allergic reactions work.
So terrible, I hope she recovers from the trauma,
and I'm hoping my son is not 1: million

TheYamiOfYawn Tue 06-Aug-13 13:00:38

None at all, as my children can play with their immune-suppressed friend.

BrianTheMole Tue 06-Aug-13 13:04:34

No

seacloud Tue 06-Aug-13 14:39:21

Very grateful DS 4 1/2 did have the MMR- its now been 6 weeks since his recovery from measles that lasted nearly 8 weeks, In A and E 3 weekends in a row, on a drip, in intensive care, developed kidney infection and severe eczema ( which is now beginning to clear up) He lost 40% hearing in his left ear. Getting better- Lost a hell of alot of weight.

Obviously stayed in the house for about 2 months both sets of immediate neighbours and friends children not had the mmr so had to be very careful even when we were given the all clear as I was so paranoid of him passing it on.

However doc said had he not had the mmr he certainly would not have pulled through. Very xtreme case I know shocked me to the core as assumed he'd be protected.

Its a very surreal situation however it can happen his immunity must have just been awful to get it. Would not wish what he went through on anyone.

prissyenglisharriviste Tue 06-Aug-13 14:42:49

No

mummy2benji Tue 06-Aug-13 23:21:24

Err... No. I'm a GP and have seen many cases of measles, which can be fatal or cause lasting disability, but I have never seen a serious reaction to the MMR or any long-term associations with it. It's a no-brainer in my opinion. Measles prevalence is on the up, I would advise everyone to make sure their children have the MMR, as keeping the uptake of the vaccine in the community as high as possible is the only way to reduce the episodes of it, and to stop it spreading.

oscarwilde Wed 07-Aug-13 14:22:36

Mummy2benji - bearing in mind Seacloud's experience is it possible to test whether or not the MMR has given immunity as per MaryKatherine's post?? Or is it more likely that (sorry I am hypothesising here Seacloud) that if Seacloud's DS was a bit poorly he would have been more susceptable and it was just one of those horribly unlucky things?

Andro Wed 07-Aug-13 14:50:26

seacloud - that sounds horrific! Seeing your child seriously ill is horrible, I hope he continues to recover well.

MaryKatharine Wed 07-Aug-13 14:54:35

My eldest is almost 10yrs. He is coeliac and allergic to egg. Because of these and baring in mind this was 9yrs ago, the paed he was under suggested single MMR jabs. They were all done and dusted by 18mths. In fact he was protected from measles 6wks before his call came through from the GP (who for some reason ignored the consultant's letter)

Anyway, when it came to boosters, we had moved and heard about Breakspear Hospital in Herts. It is a private clinic which does single MMR, travel jabs, allergy desensitising etc. they did some sort of test on the back of his hand, maybe took blood I can't actually remember blush they told me he was immune to measles and immune to mumps. They must have said rubella too though I can't remember and so we declined his pre-school booster.

My DC2&3 showed no problems and both had the MMR and boosters without complications. DC4 has a massive reaction to his second set of infant jabs and ended up in hospital. We delayed his third set until he was 12mths. He had his MMR at 18mths. Incidentally, the Dr who treated DC4 said he saw far more reactions to the infant jabs than he ever saw to the MMR.

MaryKatharine Wed 07-Aug-13 14:55:13

That was for oscar, sorry!

Talkinpeace Wed 07-Aug-13 15:02:22

OP
Of course not.
Measles, Mumps and rubella are REALLY nasty diseases.
Thank goodness my children will not get them.

Same reason they had all their other vaccinations
(I'd rather not return to 1 in 5 kids dying before they are 5 thankyou)
and DD has had her HPV

mamamidwife Wed 07-Aug-13 20:39:48

Thanks everyone for your advice, I took DS yesterday to have the jabs, seemed to go ok, he's not felt well this eve though, headache and generally lethargic, not eaten his tea, no temp. But it's to be expected I guess, hoping for a settled night!

mamamidwife Wed 07-Aug-13 20:42:03

Seacloud, so sorry you had such a rough time, I'm glad you have all come through it ok, I didn't realise it was still possible to contract the illnesses once vaccinated!

Talkinpeace Wed 07-Aug-13 20:43:37

You have done the right thing for you, your DS and the planet
pat yourself on the back
wine
and pass on the word that the vaccinations are so so so much safer than the alternative

my DS was sick as a dog for a week after his second MMR
but as the doctor pointed out, that was because the real diseases (rather than the attenuated viruses) would have killed him

give yours lots of hugs and enjoy him being peaceful - it won't last!

ouryve Wed 07-Aug-13 20:44:50

No. No reason to regret it.

Beamur Wed 07-Aug-13 20:46:15

No.
My DD was a bit poorly afterwards - as many children are, as it's a live vaccine. But I think it was the right thing for her and for others who would be more at risk of illness without the 'herd' immunity.

mummy2benji Wed 07-Aug-13 20:51:17

oscarwilde sorry for late reply - we don't generally test for immunity following the immunisations as the general rule is that the first MMR jab (given at around 13mo) provides the child with 90% immunity against measles, and then the booster given pre-school brings this immunity up to 95%. So even with the childhood immunisation schedule being followed this only provides 95% immunity against developing measles (those figures are for measles, immunity provided is higher for mumps and rubella). There is good evidence to show that if a child who has had the MMR vaccine does then contract measles, that they will likely have a less severe illness than if they hadn't had the vaccine - as seacloud was told by the hospital. Yes, a lot of people are shocked that an immunised child can still get measles - we should perhaps make it clearer to parents that this isn't the case. For eg in the recent Swansea measles outbreak, many of the children were susceptible babies who hadn't yet had their MMR vaccine, some children had had the first MMR, and a few had had both their MMRs. This is why it is so important that parents have the MMR given to their child, as if the uptake of any vaccine by the general population falls below 75%, then the disease starts to increase - so this is even more relevant in a disease where the vaccine only confers 95% immunity. Hope that answered your Q.

mamamidwife Wed 07-Aug-13 21:04:13

Mummy2benji: that's good info to know, thanks. It's easy to assume that an immunisation protects you almost100%

oscarwilde Fri 09-Aug-13 16:36:40

Has anyone vaccinated against chickenpox? I understand that it generally results in a mild dose but I keep hearing about children that have been seriously ill with it so I am wondering if I have been too relaxed about it as a relatively non-serious rite of passage childhood illness. DD is 3 and about to start nursery school so it can only be a matter of time....

oscarwilde Fri 09-Aug-13 16:37:20

Oh - and thank you very much M2B. I'm good with 95% immunity.

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