Do you let your baby have petis filous?

(82 Posts)
MillyStar Fri 23-Nov-12 09:07:24

My health visitor told me that I could give dd anything from 6 months apart from honey and nuts, I've heard a few negative comments about petis filous though - do you avoid it?

MyThumbsHaveGoneWeird Fri 23-Nov-12 09:11:54

I think they have got quite a lot of sugar in, which is not great as a regular thing. How about plain full fat yogurt? My DS loves that. I'm not a health freak at all but I think it's probably a good thing to try to help them develop a taste for less sweet stuff before introducing treats.

QTPie Fri 23-Nov-12 09:20:32

Plum do a range of "no added sugars or other nasties" petite fours - I used to give those.

cheesenpickle Fri 23-Nov-12 09:22:50

i use the plum range as well. if you taste them they arent really sweet like other ranges. i think they are just yoghurt and the juice of fruit.

juneybean Fri 23-Nov-12 09:24:26

I was shocked at the amount of sugar in a petite filous, definitely offer full fat yoghurt, you could even add apple sauce (home made) if you want to sweeten it up but it really doesn't need it.

CanIHaveAPetGiraffePlease Fri 23-Nov-12 09:26:10

We did full fat plain yoghurt. No added sugar or flavourings, tastes good and is much cheaper too. I just decanted into little tubs when we went out.

I gave DD petit filous when she was little. Now she prefers my yoghurts, natural greek style yoghurts, or onken strawberry, she certainly didn't get hooked on only eating sweet stuff. I found them useful for taking as packed lunches as they're small.

CanIHaveAPetGiraffePlease Fri 23-Nov-12 09:27:33

I also found they didn't expect it to be sweetened if they'd had it as is. Once they hit school age they try other things etc but its good to get a good start.

We served fruit as well but didn't start stirring it in or anything.

Gingerbreadlatte Fri 23-Nov-12 09:28:10

No way - too my sugar for a baby. I favoured Nat yog with fruit purées for my dd. she then spread liberally around kitchen grin ( did blw)

notcitrus Fri 23-Nov-12 09:28:33

I mostly avoid them because they have a fair bit of sugar, but sometimes use them as they're so handy for travelling. For ds I read all the ingredients of all the little pots and ended up using Sainsburys Basics as they have a bit of starch to bulk them out, but less sugar/sweetener than others.

Mostly I use Greek Yoghurt - Lidl do sets if 4 pots with cream in which are handy.

Re HV - also avoid chokable squishy things like grapes, cherry tomatoes and frankfurter, unless cut up lengthways.

I did, until I saw how much sugar was in them. Then I just got a big pot of something like Onken or Rachels and gave them some of that.

Meglet Fri 23-Nov-12 09:33:14

No, they have sugar in them.

Sainsburys own fromage frais don't, although they're sweetened with fruit juice IIRC.

lollystix Fri 23-Nov-12 09:35:41

4 teaspoons of sugar!

espanol Fri 23-Nov-12 09:39:01

There is more sugar in children's yogurts than regular 'adult' yoghurt hmm. This is possibly the thing that pisses me off the most about the food industry - other stuff we know is unhealthy, but yoghurt is seen as healthy, recommended for babies and yet they stuff it full of sugar and fillers!!!

Some people thought I was anal, but I religiously used Rachel's organic my first yoghurts while they were little as they have lowest sugar (and are really creamy and filling too). I'm no crazy organic lentils only mum, but it seemed sensible. I only started buying petits filous and their ilk recently as they fit neatly in school lunch box so it's a convenience thing. But my kids don't have a huge sweet tooth and this is about as sweet as they ever get so I don't worry about it now.

tilder Fri 23-Nov-12 09:47:43

I used rachels organic for ds1, yeo valley for ds2 and mini fromage frais for dd, Sainsbury by preference. Ds1 has the sweetest tooth of all of them

Yes there is added sugar in some, but there is heaps of sugar in fruit. Tbo I think if it tastes sweet to them does it matter the origin of the sugar? Mine get offered lots of fresh fruit and veg as well so a bit of sugar in a pot of yogurt I go along with. I don't want to encourage a sweet tooth but I think it will happen regardless if they are that way inclined. Ds1 is, ds2 not really and will wait to see with dd.

plutocrap Fri 23-Nov-12 10:02:33

Greek yoghurt (10% fat!!!!) and mashed banana! It was the first thing fussy DS ever liked eating. smile. Cheaper to buy in bulk, too, and can be used for other cooking.

lolalotta Fri 23-Nov-12 12:07:13

My DD eats Yeo Valley plain natural yoghurt. I used to sweeten it with mashed banana or puréed cooked apple, but she has it straight now at 3yrs.

fortyplus Fri 23-Nov-12 12:24:11

My 2 are 17 and 19 and had Petit Filou from about 6 months. They both enjoy sweet things but also enjoy a healthy varied diet - lots of veg etc. They're not daft - they know that it's important to eat heathily. They also enjoy sport (one at international level in his chosen discipline).

I don't think it's necessarily what they eat but how it's presented iykwim - don't use sweet things as 'treats' - just part of the daily routine.

I know young people with eating problems - some have had paranoid mothers who wouldn't allow any sweet things till they were 3, others were fed sweets and fast food.

It's rather like the child whose parents wouldn't allow a tv in the house - when he came to play he was obsessed with it whereas mine just wanted to get outside and play

bigkidsdidit Fri 23-Nov-12 12:28:29

I gave the plum ones. Now DS is nearly two I do full fat Greek yogurt mixed with a small teaspoon of jam - much cheaper!

lindsell Fri 23-Nov-12 12:35:05

No too much sugar/added stuff as others have said. I use either the plum baby ones or Ella's kitchen ones for ds2 (6.5mo), all the others have added stuff which I think is unnecessary.

Ds1 (3.8) has plain full fat Greek yoghurt and I chop up fruit to go in it.

My toddler has 2/3 every day.

I didn't know they were full of sugar!

MoelFammau Fri 23-Nov-12 13:57:46

I used to use Yeo Valley full fat, with the blueberry or strawberry ones as a treat. But DD is lactose intolerant so I can't anymore. It's really tough finding a soya alternative. Morrisons stock fruity Alpro pots which DD loves, but there is more sugar for sure... Would be great to find something else.

rrreow Fri 23-Nov-12 13:58:07

The fruity petit filous have added sugar. The plain ones don't, however if you're going for plain you might as well just buy a tub of full fat fromage frais, it's cheaper (unless you need the portions, the little petit filous ones are easy if you're out and about).

My DS tends to have some plain fromage frais with fruit.

Welovecouscous Fri 23-Nov-12 13:59:07

No, I give plum

Runningblue Fri 23-Nov-12 17:07:59

Another vote for sainsburys from-age frais - petit filous is vvv sweet.
Like others I go for natural yoghurt with fruit purée. Even if you have to sweeten the fruit purée- say something a little more tart like plums or rhubarb, still far less sugar than many shop bought fruit yogurts ....

rhetorician Fri 23-Nov-12 20:48:20

yes, but not on a regular basis - nearly 4 year old has them sometimes, but she eats more sweet stuff anyway - generally not as treats though - she gets dessert (custard or rice pudding or a little bit of ice cream or yogurt) if and only if she has eaten a reasonable dinner. The baby we give Glenisk Fromage Frais too (not sure if you get that in the UK) - less sugar. She does love the Petit Filous though! Yogurt with a spoonful of jam sometimes but suspect we are more lax about sugar than many people...

Posterofapombear Fri 23-Nov-12 20:51:02

They have 25% of an adults daily sugar allowance. That's gross!

Woodlands Fri 23-Nov-12 20:53:03

My 2 year old and I both love them but we have them as a holiday treat. For everyday he hasGreek yoghurwith sliced banana and honey.

melliebobs Fri 23-Nov-12 20:54:24

No plain full fat Greek yoghurt is healthier n hell of a lot cheaper. Plus we can vary the taste with different fruits

Shenanagins Fri 23-Nov-12 20:59:11

No as they were too sweet for me and i have a massive sweet tooth. instead i get plain full fat yogurt and add bananas and various other fruits, mush it up and then freeze in single portions taking out a pot on a daily basis.

drmummmsy Fri 23-Nov-12 21:00:10

yes, frequently, still do, dc 7 now

TempusFuckit Fri 23-Nov-12 21:09:15

Can I just start by saying I'm not usually this anal - but!

Sainsbury's changed their own brand kids' fromage frais recipe a few months ago so it has refined sugar in now - however! The new recipe has less sugar as a % in overall (I guess that fruit juice they used to sweeten it was super-sugary, albeit natural?)

Okay, as you were.

(Also, from the packaging etc I'm fairly sure Asda and Tesco own brand are made by the same company. The squeezable sachets are great when you're on the go too.)

Startail Fri 23-Nov-12 21:20:57

DD1 lived on themblush, never checked the ingredients.

However, she had managed to fall off the weight chart and would not touch a bottle of formula.

So yoghurt/fromage frais became her top of milk.

It has remain so to this day, although at 3 she added ice cream and now she'll drink hot chocolate and milkshake.

Yes all sodding sweet, what do you expect from a child who BF for years. Breast milk is far sweeter than cows milk.

Startail Fri 23-Nov-12 21:22:51

Oh should add DD2 is 11, so there was nothing like the choice of baby yoghurts there is now.

shoesontheglasslamp Fri 23-Nov-12 21:41:25

Little Yeo here. Smoothie ones are good and they are all natural (and often on 3 for 2 or similar in Sainsburys..!)

SamSmalaidh Fri 23-Nov-12 22:04:50

Yes, gave them occasionally but not as an everyday thing. I'm not overly worried about sugar though - I also tend to think sugar is sugar, so it's not a case of fruit sugar = good, refined sugar = bad, I would look at the overall amount of sugar rather than it's origin.

vodkaanddietirnbru Fri 23-Nov-12 22:22:41

the GDA of sugars for adults is 90g (children 85g), so with a petit filous having 6.2g of sugar per small 50g pot , it is nowhere near 25% of the adult sugar allowance - a bit of scaremongering going on here!

I always think of sugar as sugar - be it fructose, glucose, lactose...

And if you aren't giving your children Petit Filous because it has 6.5g of sugar per pot, but then adding a level teaspoon (10g) of jam or honey to plain yoghurt you are totally defeating the point.

Honey is pure sugar - so if you put a heaped teaspoon (because getting a level teaspoon of honey is impossible) in you're giving them at least double the sugar of a Petit Filous....

Add to that the fact that teaspoons in cutlery sets tend to be bigger than an actual teaspoon measure then that number goes up even more.

Jam is 65% sugar..... So if you added a level teaspoon of jam into plain yoghurt it would be 6.5g of sugar - the same as a Petit Filous.... Except, again, unlikely to be a level teaspoon, or a teaspoon measure.

So all those who are adding jam or honey because Petit Filous are too sugary - you're actually giving your kids more sugar than Yoplait grin.

And for those of you who choose to add bananas to plain yoghurt but won't give Petit Filous because it's too sugary.....

A medium banana has 14g of sugar in it.

Other fruits:

A medium apple contains 19g of sugar

A medium orange contains 12g of sugar

So whilst there is added sugar in Petit Filous, when compared to fruit it's actually relatively low.

And those of you adding fruit to yoghurt to avoid sugary Petit Filous are also more than likely giving more sugar not less....

notcitrus Sat 24-Nov-12 05:42:21

True, but fruit contains vitamins and fibre, unlike plain sugar.
One to watch out for is 'sweetened with fruit juice' - grape or apple juice are essentially pure sugar as no vits or fibre survive, so might as well save your money and go for standard sugary stuff!

SomethingOnce Sat 24-Nov-12 16:34:57

I let DD have Petit Filous when we're with family as it would be rude to refuse it when their DCs eat it, but I'm not happy about the sugar content.

It's plain Greek yoghurt at home, with a spoonful of fruit purée.

Pocketmonster Sat 24-Nov-12 16:40:25

No - as others have said they have too much sugar. I used full fat plain yogurt - Yeo Valley - and added my own stewed fruit.

vodkaanddietirnbru Sat 24-Nov-12 16:47:45

the stewed fruit probably has as much sugar as the sugar in petit filous. I used petit filous and muller little stars when my two were small as a big tub would just go to waste.

A level teaspoon is 5g btw not 10g

vodkaanddietirnbru Sat 24-Nov-12 17:03:48

it depends what you are weighing as to whether a teaspoon of it will weight 5g or 10g

neontetra Sat 24-Nov-12 17:12:07

I tried to but she won't eat them! Perhaps they are too sweet, as she eats most things, including other brands of fruity fromage frais. I wouldn't be worried abt the sugar at this stage, as she has no teeth yet! Not good to get them hooked on only eating sweet things, obviously, but I am happy to expose her to a range of flavours.

rumbelina Sat 24-Nov-12 17:36:32

In what world do petit filous contain 25% of an adults daily sugar allowance??

vodkaanddietirnbru Sat 24-Nov-12 17:49:46

I know, what a lot of rubbish!

SomethingOnce Sat 24-Nov-12 18:59:50

At least the fructose in stewed fruit comes with a side order of nutrients.

Runningblue Sat 24-Nov-12 22:28:35

Refined sugar is worse than naturally occurring sugars. Give me a spoon of fruit purée over a teaspoon of silver spoon any day...

lurcherlover Sat 24-Nov-12 22:34:05

From the point of view of teeth, sugar is sugar really. Your dentist would rather you gave your child a chocolate button than a raisin.

I give PF. I don't worry about amount of sugar in food, I worry about frequency of consumption, which is more important in terms of tooth decay. A petit filous once a day as part of a meal isn't as harmful as fruit juice drunk throughout the day, for example.

SomethingOnce Sun 25-Nov-12 03:57:30

By that logic, a litre of cola and a bag of sweets with lunch everyday would be fine then, so long as it's water for drinks and non-cariogenic snacks the rest of the day...

StarMeKitten Sun 25-Nov-12 08:05:45

I give the plum ones as they are just sweetened by fruit not heaps of sugar like petit filous & most other kids yogurts

vodkaanddietirnbru Sun 25-Nov-12 08:11:38

there is only a difference of 3g of sugar per 100g between the plum and petit filous so not hugely different really.

nocake Sun 25-Nov-12 08:16:41

Petit Filous are enriched with vitamin D and most kids are getting less than the recommended amount, particularly in winter. If you're FF then that also has vit D but if you're BF it's a good idea to either give your DD a supplement or enriched yoghurt.

countryhousehotel Sun 25-Nov-12 08:24:39

Am not a health freak or totally obsessive about avoiding sugar BUT I would never give that much added refined sugar to a 6 month old baby. They don't need it, it's got no nutritional benefit, and the only reason they will reject plain yogurt is if you've given them highly sweetened / processed ones too often that they can't stand the taste of plain yog. Most plain full fat natural yogurt has other benefits (other than no added sugar) - like probiotics etc.

My kids are 3 and 6 and still have the "no added sugar" Rachel's yogurts or mainly plain full fat natural yogurt. I have bought petit filou before, and they love them, but because they'll happily eat other "healthier" stuff I buy that more regularly.

Not for a six month old though - no way!

Flisspaps Sun 25-Nov-12 08:25:22

No

They're bloody expensive.

I get a big pot of Greek yoghurt from Lidl.

varicoseveined Sun 25-Nov-12 08:29:53

A vote for Muller's Little Stars from me. I don't remember the percentage of sugar but there's only 7 ingredients or so, nothing added that I have difficulty pronouncing smile

Gooseysgirl Sun 25-Nov-12 08:39:45

DD has had them since six months... One on Sat and one on Sun after her lunch! She's at nursery during the week. I've not lost any sleep over it.

SamSmalaidh Sun 25-Nov-12 11:57:10

Can someone please explain to me why "sweetened with fruit juice" is better than sugar? If they both have 5g of sugar then what is the difference?

vodkaanddietirnbru Sun 25-Nov-12 12:18:48

its so the manufacturer can say 'no added sugar' and make people think its better for them.

Partial a level teaspoon of sugar is indeed 5g (assuming you are using a standard teaspoon measure and not just any old teaspoon).

But a level teaspoon of jam or honey is 10g - as both weigh more than an equal measure of sugar as they are denser.

5madthings Thu 29-Nov-12 23:43:05

Never bought them, expensive and have sugar in.

Just bought greek.or natursl.yog and as it came in a big pot that i wouldnt use up.before it went off i froze it in an ice cube tray then.popped the ice cubes of yogurt into a freezer bag. I could then defrost them to have on their iwn to mix with fruit or in a curry or even to mash potato with etc. Easy peasy and cheap smile

FrequentFlyerRandomDent Fri 30-Nov-12 11:14:14

Not at 6 months a no need for weaning but fine from one year old inwards, when they start eating more varied foods.

Eating is about moderation and enjoyment.

Refined sugar is toxic in excess and the sugar witch hunt started because sugar is added to any prepared food to make it taste better: soups, sauces, some meats, etc.

I do not use ready meals and do most things from scratch so I am very relaxed about a 50g petit filou here and there.

FrequentFlyerRandomDent Fri 30-Nov-12 11:14:41

Onwards not inwards. Grrr...

brettgirl2 Sun 02-Dec-12 19:40:08

I am also fairly relaxed about petit filou. I have to be as they are the only yoghurt dd1 will eat.

It never occurred to me that babies would just eat full fat yoghurt until I had nothing else and offered some to dd2.

Probably on balance its better with no added sugar (either via fruit juice or otherwise) I think. I dont think fruit juice is particularly good for you tbh.

brettgirl2 Sun 02-Dec-12 19:43:02

And dd2 has also had a few petit filou from 6 months. They can have a varied diet from then.

drmummmsy Mon 03-Dec-12 12:17:49

my dd loved them from 6 months...not as much as she loved a chocolate button though grin

notso Mon 03-Dec-12 12:40:27

All my four have had them at some point.
I don't ban any foods except nuts because DS2 is allergic and can react from just contact with someone who's eaten them (and I am discouraging of mystery meats). I prefer to teach my DC they can have anything in moderation.

catgirl1976geesealaying Mon 03-Dec-12 12:42:47

No

Full of sugar

I give DS some sugar free, organic yoghurts from the "Rachel's" range

SamSmalaidh Mon 03-Dec-12 12:48:38

They're not sugar free, they are sweetened with fruit sugar. They have a similar amount of sugar to petit filous, it just comes from fruit juice concentrate.

Wigeon Mon 03-Dec-12 12:50:45

Sainsbury's own brand kids' fromage frais used to have no added sugar, and just use fruit puree, but I recently noticed that it does have added sugar now. So I emailed customer services, and got a very helpful reply, which I think demonstrates that it's not just a case of fruit = good and sugar = bad:

"Thanks for your email. I’m sorry the fromage frais yogurt we’re now selling in store appears to have more sugar in them. I can understand your disappointment, especially as you want to feed your children healthy food.

All our products come from reputable suppliers. We visit them on a regular basis to ensure they meet our high standards. I’m therefore disappointed we’ve let you down on this occasion.

We’ve contacted our technologists who explained that our previous recipe used de-ionised fruit juice to sweeten the product.

This is a very concentrated fruit juice in a syrup form which is effectively sugar and is considered to be no more beneficial than sucrose from a health point of view.

Due to de-ionised fruit juice not being as sweet as sucrose, this means that more of this sugar is required for the same level of sweetness.

We’ve decided that this could be misleading to customers and therefore decided to adapt the recipe using a mix of the juice and sugar to give the best flavour, rather than make it appear as if products contain no sugar when they do in a less obvious form.

An added benefit is that as less has to be added, the total sugar content (declared on the packaging) has in fact been reduced from the previous recipe.

We can confirm that even if no sugar was added to our fromage frais, it would be illegal to make the claim “no added sugar” on the pack. This is because de-ionised fruit juice is deemed a sugar.

Although some major brands make declarations on products such as “naturally sweetened with fruit juice” or “fruit juice concentrates”, this is effectively highly concentrated juice.

I hope this information is helpful to you and your children continue to enjoy our buying and eating fromage frais."

I have to say I was really quite impressed about the detail in their reply (and they sent it pretty quickly after I contacted them). And although I am generally quite cynical (ie they are obviously trying to keep me buying Sainsbury's kids fromage frais), I think this sounds like a plausible explanation.

FantasticMax Mon 03-Dec-12 20:23:05

I give one a day to DD. It's fortified with Vit D and calcium (17% of daily amount for both). A dietician actually recommended to me because I had to cut down on breastfeeds when I was going back to work and she wouldn't take a bottle.

I don't lose any sleep over the sugar content.

catgirl1976geesealaying Mon 03-Dec-12 20:27:28

It's the other crap in them that bothers me more than the sugar

catgirl1976geesealaying Mon 03-Dec-12 20:28:12

Fromage Frais – Sugar: 8.6% - Strawberry Purée from Concentrate: 5% - Aronia Juice - Fructose: 1% - Modified Maize Starch - Stabilisers: Guar gum, Pectin, Xanthan Gum - Flavourings – Acidity Regulator: Lactic Acid - Vitamin D.

kellestar Mon 03-Dec-12 20:32:44

Plum ones are lovely, sweetened with fruit juices. Perfect size for eating on the go. Otherwise kept a giant greek yog in the fridge for mixing up what we wanted. Stewed fruit is lovely with yog, also like it with granola. Now DD is older we just get the plain old and share it out.

Our supermarket stopped stocking the Plum and I had a panic, they thought I was mad when I made a complaint and had an empty Plum pot and PF pot and was spaffing on about sugar's etc. I'd have to travel into Bath or Bristol to get a supermarket that would stock them.

I love yog and ate tons of the stuff when PG with DD.

SamSmalaidh Mon 03-Dec-12 20:33:42

When they say "fruit juices", what it means is a super concentrated sugar syrup from fruit.

catgirl1976geesealaying Mon 03-Dec-12 20:35:01

But what is Modified Maize Startch and Xanthan gum

I don't know but it puts me off them

dishwashervodkaanddietirnbru Mon 03-Dec-12 22:05:42

We liked the muller little stars fromage frais as they were/are marketed as containing 100% naturally sourced ingredients and were ingredients I had heard of.

dishwashervodkaanddietirnbru Mon 03-Dec-12 22:08:20

p.s. xanthan gum is a thickener/stabiliser (stops ingredients from separating) and so is modified maize starch.

I got to laugh at the thread title and some of the answers. Yes op I let my baby have petit filous-it's petit filous ffs not arsenic! Sorry if I sound a bit harsh on the posters I realise that it is something many feel strongly about but I never do-just go with what you feel op.

post Wed 19-Dec-12 14:14:36

I thought that all sugars are not equal, in fact; I'm (clearly!) not any kind of expert, but I believe your body metabolises sucrose and fructose (from fruit) differently, and the glycaemic index is different, so with fruit you font get that same insulin reaction blood sugar spike, associated with diabetes? Anyone know, i wonder?

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