Come on over animals, I think we'll be very comfy here 
Buddha pokes head around door and decides she likes this new home. But nemo where's the comfy chairs and home baked goods??? 
mibbes been thinking about you lots but a little unsure like others of what to say now so hopefully when you lurk next time we can raise a smile with our babble and banter instead 
moomin can't believe it took you that long to get the app slow coach
cake don't like shortening it to seldom! So what's next for you with the lupus? You did say they could help if I remember rightly with preventing mc? Will you go for it or have you decided not too after all you've been through?
mummy how's the list going
Oooo nice new enclosure for us animals
<<puts tray of chocolate orange cupcakes on felled log table>>
nemo the lupus is just managed with meds now (aspirin and painkillers) and I have a 25% chance of carrying to term so we are just taking our chances without contraception but not 'trying' iyswim I doubt my sanity could take much more of a beating tbh
mibbes I hope you are physically doing ok, I know emotionally things will doubtless be sketchy at the minute xx if you need anything let it all out here/Facebook etc xxx
<<<<waves>>>> to bhudda and moomin xx
<<<<plonks self down on a chair and takes a yummy orange cupcake>>>>
Mibbes Don't really know what to say but am thinking of you and hope you are ok xxxx
Big waves to everyone else, it is insanely hot and sticky here this morning and two little ladies are insisting we go out and play while I try and cling to the aircon , think they are going to win this one xxx
Moomin It was offering it to me and then stopped but I have found a little thing to click at the bottom of the page. Much better
Buddha In regards to sleep I am pleased to tell you that it is possible to have a baby that sleeps after having one that doesn't. E found his thumb at about 3mo and started to sleep through for about six weeks, unfortunately his has since gone backwards a bit, but still nothing like N, who used to be awake for hours! E just feeds once/twice and goes straight back to sleep.
It feels wrong somehow to be talking about other stuff while Mibbes is having such a horrid time, but just know you're in my thoughts.
Oh my goodnes, just had the BEST lunch... these grilled with a little bit of olive oil and then homemade egg mayo, tomatoes and cucumber. YUM. Meant to be saving the rest for DH... There may be a slight problem with that.....
Mummy ikwym about talking about other things given what Mibbes is going through at the moment, but I don't think it's the wrong thing to do (although it feels wrong) and hopefully she won't think it's wrong either. As Buddha says, hopefully our pointless babble intelligent conversation will at least provide a distraction for a few minutes, and we're all ready and willing to return to more serious topics.
Mummy am a bit scared about how different 2 children can be, T has been pretty good.... Am pretty sure this one is a boy, all being well we'll find out at the end of Jan. Still not convince all will be well, but just taking one day at a time - what else can we do? Have a scan booked on 29th, partly to check out my cervix as I had to have a horrible procedure thingy done on it a year or so ago to remove some dodgy cells, so it's now about 1cm shorter that it was before and I want to make sure I don't need a stitch like Georgie did...
Not worked since monday, finances absolutely dire atm, but am finding it makes a MASSIVE difference to how I feel. It's almost like I can't really cope with anything else on top of this pg, which is somewhat unfortunate, and also pretty self indulgent I think.... The not working isn't through choice, but I'm nowhere near as unhappy about it as I ought to be, I'm really struggling to concentrate at work and I really notice the massive effect working has on ramping up the sickness..
I had DD at home with me yesterday, with a bad case of the squits - oh the glamour! Poor little thing. Though she was actually fine in herself; she was quite good company. I think I managed to get more done crammed in to the moments when she was playing or sleeping than I have done today when she's at the cm's, will have to keep her home more often!
On that topic I really ought to go and eat DH's lunch do some more work....
Am off out tonight, a group of 4 of us in the village where I live have formed a Ladies' Drinking Society. It's a total sanity saver. Normally we meet at the pub about once a month, or at someone's house. Sometimes we have food but the name will probably give you a clue that eating isn't the main purpose of the group! However 2 of us are preggers atm, (one due on NYE - poor girl!) so the rules have been relaxed a little and tonight we're off for dinner. Am looking forward to it, though suspect I'll be cold, tired and ready for bed by about 9.45! Wish me luck...!
Lots of love to all xx
PS Turk have tried and failed to feel sympathetic for your need for aircon, it's freezing here!! 
nemo your link didn't work for me but the rest of lunch sounded scrummy sounds as if fate is making your decisions for you with work, at the end of the day you have enough stress without adding to it. Maybe once things are more stable and you are feeling more confident you can take on a bit more to help with finances? I take it you've had no more bleeding?
mummy thank you for giving me hope about 2nd dc and sleep E sounds like a dream!
I'm convinced I'm starting early menopause 
I've had erratic afs since August and it's starting to worry me a little now we're ttc I know I'm probably not but something odd is definately going on
mibbes still thinking of you sweet hope you're ok or as much as can be x
Every time I see the thread name I think of Same Smile. Just me? Thought so.
Captain Lunch sounds delicious. Did DH go hungry?
Bhudda I'm sure it's not early menopause. Ask GP to do some blood tests to reassure you.
Strange few days here. Mum's been unwell- they think a trapped nerve but it's dragging on and she's in lots of pain. Then my brother called my Mum (hands-free) on his way to work. Was driving along the motorway when he shouted, 'Mum, I'm going to crash'... Loud BANG and line went dead. Mum was beside herself and called me rather than his wife (she had a baby at the end of October and would panic). When I finally got hold of him he said he was okay but had spun during the hail storm and damaged the front, back and side of his car and was facing the wrong way on the motorway. His colleagues had to come and rescue him (he's a police officer) but luckily there was no one else involved and apart from being a little shaken, he was fine. Phew.
Joe's just puked everywhere. He seems fine in himself. Hopefully that's the end of it.
I've finally d/l the MN app. It's not easy to reply because you can't see the messages already posted. Dodgy memory doesn't help.
Oh, I had my blood results yesterday and there were no abnormalities other than slightly low B12. That rules out Lupus and Sarcoid and means no further testing is required. Diagnosis is Fibromyalgia brought on by a lingering virus (caused the Bell's Palsy, Labrynthitis etc.) and combined with my losing my friend, stress of planning the wedding blah blah. Gradually feeling better.
Lots of love to all.
Mibbes If you're reading then please know you've been in my thoughts. Xxx
moomin is that the one with the panda? If so E's not a fan so only seen it once I think. Sounds as if you've had a hectic few days. Hopefully mum will recover soon and thank goodness your brother was ok must have been scary before you got hold of him. Glad you have eventually got a final diagnosis it's been dragging on so long now. Are you doing any physio yet?
nemo did you confess to eating all the lunch?
Just back from doctors with E yet another ear infection in both ears 
did hope we were done with these for a bit but obviously not!
Good luck L for tomorrow
Hey ladies, good to read your chat. It is such a blast from the past to read all of your news and Nemo is right, I am more than happy to read your posts and have a wee laugh at your babble - no need at all to feel bad for getting on with life.
Things are going well here actually - forced myself to have some friends round so have opened up and told my 'story' to quite a few people now which has been a great help. This whole horrible situation has had 2 very positive outcomes so far - it has brought DP and I far closer (not that we had any issues, we were just living quite 'separately' sometimes and not communicating as much as we should) and also it has made me realise what amazing friends I have. Not a day goes bu without at least 5-10 texts from well-wishing friends letting me know I am in their thoughts and that they are happy to help out in any way they can. I am so blessed and these people include you lot - it is so lovely that even after all of this time you are all here and care so much - it means a lot to me.
Sadly found out today that one of my lovliest, closest friends has lost her baby too - baby measured 6 weeks at 12 weeks scan - sadly they cannot be sure that baby not viable until 2 weeks so she has to wait for confirmation via a 2nd scan just after xmas . She knows the baby has died, so it is just torture having to wait over xmas to find out or miscarry. It just feels like the shit has well and truly hit the fan this week .
Anyway, on other subjects LOL at Nemo scoffing all of the yummy lunch ! Sounds like some time off work is just what the doctor ordered. You know better than most that you need to take good care of yourself and your little bubba in there - work can wait.
Turk no sympathy from here either - it is baltic in Scotland !
Moomin what a day you had ! So glad your brother is ok, and I really hope your mum gets better soon. You have really been through the mill these past couple of years, I have followed your progress on FB and often smile when I remember we were once cycle buddies . I am so glad you have a complete diagnosis (although I have no idea what it means), at least you can now deal with a known quantity. Your kids are both absolutely gorgeous - I love seeing your photos on FB. Hope L ok tomorrow and snow doesn't mess things up.
Could someone provide me a with a crib sheet (via FB) - am struggling with some of the new names ?...
Thanks everyone else for your thoughts and kind words. Each day things seem easier (I am surprised by how quickly I have seen progress). Don't get me wrong, one message/trigger and I am in floods but for the mostpart I am able to function 'normally' which was not the case earlier in the week. I am quite a logical and rational person - not overly emotional usually - so I think this is just my way of dealing with it. I have been keeping busy while trying not to overdo it.
Look forward to reading your chat ladies and who knows, sometime next year maybe I'll be TTC with you ladies again (well not actually TTC with you, that would be wierd and tricky , but YKWIM)
Murray I love that aftereverything you have been through you are still able to come on here and make us smile! Just brilliant. Am so glad you're doing ok.
Moomin good luck for tomorrow with L, hope the appointment goes well and that the journey getting there and home again isn't too stressful either. So scary about your brother, your poor mum! And poor you! Glad he was ok.
Sorry can't post properly, am actually working tomorrow 
and have been feeling dog rough all day so really need to go to bed now...
Had my 1st mw app today. Was quite stressful but went well in the end. Glad I went.
Does know if the others are likely to show up? I don't think Georgie uses mn any more, does anyone know about CriCri and those other 2 reprobates whose nicknames I've temporarily forgotten? Am with Murray on the need for a crib sheet!
One last thing. DH is working until 3pm on sat. I have a friend coming over at 2pm but until then it's just me and DD. Has anyone got any top entertainment ideas for an active 2 YO and her nauseas (sp?!) mummy? Preferably something that won't entail me being cold for too long, though am not doing soft play, too many germs this close to christmas! (Though am aware of how pathetic that sounds!)
night animals xx
I just can't get used to not calling you Mibbes. It's too difficult .
Thanks for posting. I've been worrying about you lots. You did a brave but very important thing seeing friends. Xxx
Captain Hope work goes well. I suggest a day of DVDs with T. It is Christmas .
No snow! Think the LOs are disappointed but should make our hospital trip easier.
I'm going out with a group of mums from school tonight. Should be fun (providing J's stopped being sick by then!
Gomurray Great to hear from you, you are still in my thoughts here, glad to hear you are doing ok xxxx
Nemo Messy painting normally does the job with my two delinquents darlings. Tends to be the messier the better, I normally stick on a disposable table cloth, sponges, paint, water, mess and more mess Glad the mw appointment went well and hope the sickness gets better soon.
Budda Feeling your pain with E's ear infection, A is the sufferer in this house though hasn't had one in ages and is now making up for it with a real nasty bugger of a one Nil by mouth for 3 days - not good. Though thankfully she is on the mend (hopefully) now. Hope E is feeling much better in time for Santa
Moomin Wow - sounds like a very eventful few days for you! Glad to hear your brother is ok, can't imagine what an awful fright you must have gotten. Hope your mam recovers soon. Glad to hear you are on the mend too oh and hope Joe is ok xxx
Cake Good to hear the lupus is under control. Fingers crossed everything goes well for you now
Am not going to mention the heat at all Twin 1 is out playing in the garden, twin 2 has turned into a telly addict this last few days.
We had an interesting Friday evening. N stood up on one of our kitchen stools & fell off onto our tiled floor. Made a horrid yelping noise and wasnt settling. Off to A&E where they x-rayed him, but can't tell if it's broken. So, he's in plaster until we go to Fracture clinic on Monday.
He's been a trooper but had an awkward & unsettled night. Sofa time & Father Christmas today.
Nemo I was totally knackered & sick for the first few months of my last pg, so totally understand. If Dvd's are tolerated I'd go with that. We started films at about that stage. I always felt guilty but think its just the beginning of having to think about 2 instead of 1.
Gomurray You sound as if you're doing really well. Veering between sadness & normality sounds totally healthy to me. So glad that it has bought some positives with it. So sad for your friend too. Hopefully you can support each other.
I also need a crib sheet
moomin snap as you know I've been suffering too! Red wine = ouchy head
mummy poor N although the pic on FB looks like he's not too bothered!
nemo what did you decide to do with T after?
Murray Have have you been since you last posted? X
It's so cold this morning. L is in school until tomorrow but D has broken up. Think I'd prefer it the other way round.
moonin I agree the app is a bit of a pain that you cant see previous posts and obviously your memory is as good as mine Just a one day hangover for me, what about you?
Mummy I see from fb poor N has a broken arm poor little sausage. Is he being very brave?
Nemo how was Saturday?
Murray thinking of you, hope things are as ok as they can be xxx
Moomin How is the hangover Oh I wish I could swap all this sun for a little bit of cold right now, t'is not naturally having an xmas tree up in this weather 
Budda A is much better, back to her bossy little self, for such a small person she is unbelievably bossy! Hope is E is on the mend now and all set for Santa
Mummy Seen on fb here too, hope N is ok xxx
Nemo Hope the sickness is behaving itself
All is quiet here really.DH is really feeling homesick and would love to go home so we are looking at a possible move back in 18 months. My deadline is that we are settled and decided before the twinlets start preschool (hard to believe that is in 20 months!) Very torn here at the minute as well over weather or not to ttc #3. Obviously if we are not staying put here might be better to wait until we are home, a bit hard to think that rationally when the broodiness takes over though.
Hi ladies
murray lovely to see you here xx I hope you are doing as well as you say xx keep posting xx
moomin glad the lupus tests came back normal x are the drs goin to retest the B12? Pernicious anaemia can cause the same/similar kind of drained feeling and you would need it monitoring. Hope you are ok
mummylimited poor E!! Hope he is ok (saw your FB updated before) boys eh!
nemo sorry you are still suffering the sickness x I made some lovely jam jar lanterns with S the other day! Took about an hour to do one so do 2 it is just a jam jar, washed out. Glitter glue and little Xmas confetti bits/ pics cut out of wrapping paper. I gave S a paint brush and sat her at the table and left her to it I know T will need a bit more supervision but it's not too tasking so you could sit back and let her make a bit glittery mess and then a nice long bath
turk I'm not jealous at all of your beautiful weather...no not me hope A is feeling better xx
bhudda aww hope your E gets better soon x
hi to everyone I haven't mentioned directly...this app doesn't help those with ye olde seive Braine syndrome!!
dya like my new festive name?
SeldomSantasBaby very impressed
Thanks <<twirls red skirt with fluffy white trim>> I have made puff pastry mince pies and Xmas pud truffles for us all... They're on the log table
Hi, just dropping in to say sorry for not posting. Although I did post on sunday via the app but my stupid phone said it lost connection when I went to post it and deleted the sodding thing...
It was a pretty moany post tbh, so my phone may have done you a favour. I started a headache at about 4pm on saturday and it just got worse and worse and lasted until monday afternoon Spent the entire day in bed on sunday, felt like my head was in a vice. Took paracetamol and codeine (was desperate!) but it didn't even touch it. Very annoyingly sleeping made it worse, when I woke up it felt like my head was going to crack open. Was awake from 1.30am onwards on monday morning, not pleasant!!
Anyway. Better now. But been over doing it I think so sickness now back in force. Marvellous.
Will stop moaning now, sorry!
Is everyone looking forward to christmas?
Murray how are you doing?
Mummy how is N getting on with his cast? Such awful timing! Though I suppose at least there are plently of things around to distract him at this time of year... Hope that's helping!
SantasBaby what a lovely outfit! You look GOR-JUS! Is S massively excited about christmas? I'm enjoting the fact that T's now starting to understand what it's all about but isn't yet at the stage where she's likely to be so excited about it she'll be up at 4am! I suspect that may change in a few years' time though...!
Buddha how's the hangover? Long gone by now I hope! Or replaced by several new ones since then? You party animal 
How are you feeling about the whole TTC lark at the mo?
Moomin you're no better! Have you been leading Buddha astray?!? What's L getting for christmas this year?
Turk I'm sorry to hear about the homesickness, it must be especially bad at this time of year... Do you think it's something it'll pass or will you just have to wait and see? Will you be seeing any family over christmas?
Sorry fopr the rubbish post, am feeling totally crap... But not working tomorrow so planning a lazy morning while T's at the childminders so get up to full fighting strength for the weekend! Night all xx
Happy Christmas Eve ladies
nemo sorry to hear you've been so poorly especially on top of the ever present sickness too Did you enjoy your quality "me" time while T was at nursery?
Murray how are you sweets?
Mummy Is Santa going to sign N's cast
Thankfully hangover had gone by 3pm 
good job I only go out about twice a year I'm hoping not too get too frazzled today and intend not to get stressed out until at least noon!!
In case I don't get on again I'll wish you all a Merry Christmas
Happy Christmas animals!! Hope you all have a lovely day! 9.09am and STILL haven't opened stocking presents.... Waiting for (D)H to get back from church..... I know that's what Christmas is all about an' all but reeeeeeally!!!! T being much more patient than me! Ah well, at least we all still have it to look forward to I guess!
Just heard my sister's friend FINALLY had her baby at 8.25 last night, was induced as 15 days late, poor girl!! But all good now, what a Christmas present!
Lots of love to all xx
Merry Christmas animals!
Presents have been opened here and L has taken hers to her room. I probably won't see her again today .
Have lots of fun. Xx
Happy Christmas my lovely ladies hope you and your loved ones are having a fantastic day
I've temporarily snuck away from the madness and considering a nap
Hi ladies I hope everyone has had a lovely Christmas day xxx
Mine has not been too merry my lovely grandad died at 3am today DH and I have kept the news from Sian today and plan to tell her tomorrow/tuesday so she gets to have a lovely day. I'm glad to say she hasn't noticed anything amiss or if she has she hasn't said anything.
I'm at a loss as to what to do for my dad who is devastated but I suppose being with him will be ok until we are able to help with the practical side of things.
Speak soon xx
So sorry to hear this . Today must have been do hard for you. How old was he? Had he been poorly?
Just be there for your dad. Having you all around him will be a huge comfort. Lots of love xxx
Seldom So sorry to hear about your grandad sad news at this time of year always seem worse than at any other time. Like Moomin said just being there for your Dad is the best thing x
So sorry to hear your sad news Seldom, such a dificult thing to have to deal with at any time of year, but especially at the moment, and especially today Sending much love to you and your family, it must have been so hard keeping it from S today but I'm sure you did the right thing. Hope the next few days go as well as they can, be kind to yourself
Thanks ladies xx
Have you tried copying the text in case you lose it? Just a thought please don't throw your phone at me
I know Buddha - I'm not sure who I'm most angry with, me or mumsnet!
Well I finally have some good news for you all, although you haven't had the build up to it seeing as you didn't get my message this morning, but.......
It's a boy!!
Am quite terrified though, I have absolutely no idea what to do with a blue one.... But needless to say DH is delighted, and I know MIL will be too, currently she has 7 granddaughters and no grandsons!
Well hello fellow animals! Impala (aka CriCri) here. I was browsing MN and spotted this thread so immediately had a read through. Wow, so much has happened! First of all, congratulations to Nemo for No. 2, that is brilliant news When is your EDD? Sorry, you must have mentioned it somewhere on the thread but I missed it
Sorry to hear the sad news from Murray and Seldom. Seldom really sorry about your granddad, what a horrible thing to happen at Christmas. Obviously there is never a good time, but at this time of year it's even worse Thinking of you and your family x
Murray Sorry to hear about your mc (I assume it was a mc?) In your last post you sounded very positive, hope that is still the case.
Turkelton I've been following all your news on FB, it sounds like you've really settled in in Oz and are enjoying a great lifestyle. Is it the huge distance from home which is making the homesickness worse for your DP? Has he managed to make friends there? It must be hard to contemplate coming back in 18 months' time having decided to make the move originally. It's not quite the same, but DH and I moved to Holland nearly 6 years ago now and we ended up staying there just a year for various reasons, even though we had planned to stay for longer. You have to do what is right for you at the end of the day. The only thing I can say is that living abroad even for a short period of time does change you, things are never quite the same when you do come back.
I also need a crib sheet because I'm struggling to remember who is who!
All OK here, still struggling to get my head round the fact that E is three! Where has the time gone?? No plans for No. 2, she's going to be an only. DH and I have thoroughly enjoyed the adventure so far, but neither of us is desperate to go through it again. I think I could persuade him if I really wanted to, but I have no burning desire tbh. We're no spring chickens for a start - he's 48 next year and I'm turning 40 (can't believe that either!). I spend most of my time worn out as it is, really don't think I could cope with a second one. We're still having sleeping problems - she wakes once most nights and I either end up going to sleep with her (she's in a double bed) or she'll come into our bed - but it's much better than it was. She doesn't have a nap any more either so is usually in bed and asleep by 6.45 pm at the latest At least we have our evenings back!
We had a great Christmas, but it just seemed to be over so quickly! All that build-up and it was over in a flash. Still, E thoroughly enjoyed it and was completely spoiled.
Will try to keep up with this thread, but forgive me in advance if I disappear for days at a time. I work in the evenings and if I have lots on I don't get chance to even read MN, let alone post! I should download the MN app but it sounds more trouble than it's worth from the various comments on here, especially from Nemo
Happy new year everybody!
Nemo Welcome to a whole world of blue trouble mmwwaahhhh Is T quite chilled out and easy going if so you could be in for a shock! But how brilliant one of each flavour such good news! Oh and look out for nappy changes much messier with a boy tinkling everywhere
Impala How lovely to see you again! Loving the FB photo's of E she has grown soooo much.
As far as crib sheet goes
moomin is sparkly
mummylimited is TeeHee
gomurray is Mibbes
Buddha is MollyMooMa
Turkleton is
SeldomSeenCakes is EI
Forgive me if I've forgotten anyone that is posting with us now
murray How are you feeling my lovely?
Moomin How is J's sleeping? Still improved?
Hope everyone had a wonderful Christmas? New year will be quiet for me as DH does some door work in the evenings now and is working so E and I are going to Mum and Dads instead.
I'm OVing at the moment, so we've had a busy few days will be on the 2WW shortly so look out for manic symptom spotting and feel free to slap me at any point!
Well lovely ladies I'm so glad we've had a reunion this year and look forward to spending 2012 with you all. Here's to a year filled with more happiness than sadness and bfps (for those that want them)
Happy new year!
I've just seen in settings you can flip the messages from newest to oldest and vice versa. Don't you just watch the thread? That way it's always listed in your threads I'm watching?
Happy New Year ladies
Trying to be quick as would like to write a blog tonight and frankly I need my bed.
Nemo A boy! How brilliant. Obviously I have no experience with girls but so far my two boys are totally different to one another. If you can get over smaller choices in the clothes department then boys are fab!
Moomin Sorry to hear you're not getting on with DH. I think I'm ready for mine to go back to work. We have been getting on each others nerves the last few days and not really 'clicking' like we usually do. We haven't even started potty training yet. We were going to start over Christmas, but the broken arm put that out of the window.
Seldom So sorry to hear about your Grandad, what an awful time for it to happen too
Impala Great to hear from you. Can't believe E is 3, it just goes too quickly doesn't it?
E is in his own room for the first time tonight. He is 7mo. I was in no rush this time as he still wakes at night and no way am I going to sit on a chair feeding at silly o'clock like I did last time. I'm looking forward to getting the bedroom back in the evening though and will probably just have him in with us after he wakes in the night. I am though, everything seems much more of a wrench this time. I guess because you understand how quickly it goes and also he seems to whizz past even quicker. I'm sure if he sleeps better I will get over it though!
Will pop in again soon x
Hello ladies and a big Happy New Year to you all. So good to have reunited
Seldom I posted on FB when I saw your sad news - so, so sorry to hear about your grandad. My beloved grannie died in October, so hard .
Nemo huge congratulations on boy - how many weeks are you now ? Boys are sooooo cuddly and lovely and I agree that the choice of clothes for them is limited but it mkaes it less complicated dressing them in the morning - no need to consider, tights, cardis, accessories ! I LOVE having a boy so much fun, although exhausting at times too
Buddha any symtpoms yet ? I love a good 2ww symptom spot !
Mummy how is E sleeping in his own room ?
Moomin sorry to hear about you and DH - is it just the holidays or has it been for longer than that ?
Thanks for the crib sheet - helps loads. Am getting on fine. Had a lovely Xmas and NY - very relaxing which was just what I needed. Back to work tomorrow which I am dreading as have to face 2 pregnant colleagues (one who is a good friend and due 1 week before I was and the other sits right opposite me and is due 5 weeks after I was - it is her first so she talks about it a LOT). I need to get back to normal though and these things won't just go away so I have to get on with it and face it. I only work Mon-Wed so it is a 1-day week
It would appear that DP is happy to TTC again as BD the other day and no effort made to not TTC IYKWIM ! No idea what body is doing in terms of OV etc.. so started temping this morning. Have had EWCM on and off so think body is trying but not actually managing to ov - which is why I've resorted to temping as more accurate. I should really wait until 6 week check but if he is keen then who am I to stop him . No news yet of date for 6 week check - Nemo what happens, will they check me out or just give me results of tests, do you know ?...
Anyway, best get on and make some lunch, 'speak' soon xx
hi ladies
nice to see so many of us here
impala <<waves>> lovely to see you m'dear! 3yo eh? wow that has flown over!!
gomurray good to see you lovely you sound nice and relaxed and i hope your TTC goes really well xx
moomin so sorry you are not getting on too well with DH{{{hugs}}} FWIW during the first year me and DH had ALOT of ups and downs and i felt much the same as you describe...it got alot better since and we have been married for 4 1/2 years now. you have had alot on your plate in the past 2 years and it isnt surprising that your relationship is suffering/changing as a result. if you need to talk/sound off im here as im sure everyone here are too and you have my number too
bhudda ooo 2WW im pretty sure im on mine at the mo too- though we are not officially TTC any more...a girl can hope though
mummyltd hi lady i will have to read this blog of yours one of these days hope all is ok since N broke his arm!
nemo WOW a boy!! massive congrats to you and your DH have you told T she will have a baby brother yet?
have i missed anyone? if i have <<<waves>>>
things are still pretty emotional here
my grandads funeral is on friday and i am not sure whether to allow S to come or whether she is too young yet. she turns 6 on sunday and has asked if she could come too but doesnt fully realise what a funeral is. i have explained to her but she doesnt understand the emotional side of it i suppose. what do i do? i feel like i shouldnt sheild her but i want to protect her from it too...
name-changed again
whoops its Ei/Seldom
Happy new year lovely ladies, so pleased to have found you all on here again. FB is great, but you can't really post anything too intimate on there!
Hope you all had a lovely new year and managed to stay up to see in 2012. DH and I were pathetic this year - we were asleep by 11pm! Think it's the prospect of being roused anytime after 6am by a small child which did it
Some good news tonight, for the first time E went to sleep on her own, without one of us having to stay with her. This is a big deal for her and she's only done it perhaps once or twice before. She decided she wanted to listen to an audio book rather than a story and fell asleep whilst listening to it, result We'll have to see if this continues.
Mummylimited hope E's first night in his own room went well. I can well imagine second time round you try to hang onto every step of DC's progress as you know how quickly it flies by. With PFB it's a journey into the unknown and you end up almost wishing their life away as you look forward to the next stage but with DC2 I guess you know what is coming next so you perhaps appreciate each stage more. As you say, at least you've got your bedroom back in the evenings
Gomurray Glad you had a lovely Christmas and new year and that you're doing well. Sounds as though the (unofficial) TTC is going well, fingers crossed for you! Good luck for tomorrow, must be hard to have to deal with two pg colleagues with EDD so close to what yours would have been.
Nomoremarbles Just when I thought I was getting the hang of who is who you go and name change and confuse matters Like the name though On a more serious subject, it's hard to know what to do for the best with regard to S attending your granddad's funeral. I think if she's expressed the desire to go and has been given sufficient information about what might be involved (although this must be really hard to do) and still wants to then perhaps she should be allowed to go and say her own goodbye. Have you had a look at some of the threads on MN on that subject? There is also some very useful information here: www.winstonswish.org.uk/page.asp?section=0001000100020011&pagetitle=Funerals+and+other+memorials Thinking of you at the moment, it's horrible
Moomin Sorry to hear you and DH aren't getting on too well at the moment. FWIW, DH and I also had a rough patch last summer and I also felt as though the spark had gone. We've been married 11 years. It seemed he couldn't do anything right and I felt completely unsupported. He said that he felt as though I was focusing only on E and completely ignoring him Things are better now, although not perfect by any means. From my own point of view I make a real effort to focus on the positives in the relationship, rather than the negatives. Having watched a friend go through a messy divorce has made me grateful for what I do have even if it's not perfect Have you and DH managed to talk at all? Hope you can sort things out.
Nemo Have you recovered from the shock of having a boy yet??
Buddha Eagerly awaiting news of any pg symptoms from you
Catch up with you all again soon!
I LOVE LOVE LOVE coming on here and finding lots of messages! I'll stop saying it soon, but I'm so glad this thread's up and running again!
Which of you lives closest to me? Because one of you needs to come round here and give me a boot up the backside. I just can't seem to get going today. Am v tired and therefore feeling v sick. Booked the day out to start finish my tax stuff for my accountant, so far.....nada. Sum total of my achievements so far: an extra hour's sleep after DD went to the cm's (DH got her up and gave her bfast while I was being a lazy toad), discovered that the 2 mat suit skirts I ordered are no good - the smaller one is so small I can't get it over my bottom and the bigger one is massive. Money well spent there then.... Have unloaded internet grocery shopping and done 2 massive tins of roasted veg to go in a chilli I'll make later but which I'm not at all sure I can face eating.... Go me.
Marbles, or whatever your name is today I hope things go as well as they can today and that you get some comfort from the service. What did you decide about S? Such a tricky decision, especially at a time when your emotopns are all over the place anyway
Murray glad to hear you had a peaceful christmas, or as peaceful as it could be with a 3YO running around! How did it go back at work on wed? That must have been so so tough for you. I remember how useless I was around pregnant women and how toxic I found them. I hopee the lasy who is so excited about having her first has enough empathy to realise she shouldn't be going on about it in front of you. I know you said you feel like you have to get on with it and face it, but you've been through a lot so don't expect too much of yourself too soon, and it's not unreasonable to expect some sensitivity from your work colleagues so please don't fee you're not entitled to that. I don't think we had a 6 week check. From memory the next thing that happened was that I had appointments in other parts of the hospital for tests on clotting etc just as a precaution, and then we saw the consultant later in the summer once the test results were in. However, it never fails to amaze me how differently things are done in different parts of the country so your care may be totally different. Glad to hear you're both feeling positive about TTC though
Buddha come on!!! We want 2ww news!! When will the 2 weeks be up? Though I have always resolved not to (and have meant it) I have always ended up testing ridiculously early for one spurious reason or another and my goodness it makes the 12 weeks last a long time, so it you can be stronger than I can that would probably be a good thing!
Moomin I'm sorrry to hear things aren't great with DH, but given the year you've had in a way I'd be surprised if your relationship wasn't takng the strain a bit. I 'm not saying that to belittle how you're feeling, just because you've been through such an awful time, the cracks are bound to develop somewhere or other, and your marriage is a prime target. How does DH feel about things, have you talked to him about how you're feeling? 2 of the couples in our group of friends have been doing relate/marriage guidance counselling recently and it's amazing how helpful they've found it, it really does seem to have made a massive difference for both of them. Do you think that's something you'd be interested in?
Mummy how's N's arm now? I was trying to work out all the ages of the children on the thread, I think he'll be 3 in april? IIRC he was born on easter monday? Am not loking forward to potty training. I can't decide it T's ready or not but I'm certainly in no rush People go on about "missing the window" though don't they... tricky..... How did E get on in his own room? Is it going to become compulsory to have a child whose name begins with an E on this thread?! Think there's you, Impala, Murray, and Buddha all with different E's! What's the address for your blog? Or would you rather link it on fb?
Impala great news that you've seen an improvement in E's sleeping, it's a precious commodity these days! T has generally been a pretty good sleeper and I'm not sure how I'll cope if no2 is a terror...! One of T's cm's also works as a night nanny, so maybe we'll just have to move her in!
I made my first nursery purchase yesterday, finished work later than expected so the cm's had to take T on the school run so I had time to kill before picking her up - so what's a girl to do?!? Bought these for the nursery... they look great actually and they seem to be pretty good quality for the price. so you see, I just had to buy them really!
Love to all xx
PS I have one friend coming round with her newborn this aft (leaving the toddler with her parents), another 2 friends with their toddlers, and another friend with her toddler plus another newborn. And they're all staying for tea. I must be mad...! Oh, and all the 2 year olds apart from DD are boys, one of whom is extremely challenging - if I'm not tired now.......
hi ladies
hope everyone is ok
nemo how was your afternoon with the babies?
impala good news that E is sleeping on her own now it took sian a while to get to that point too and its nice to get a full night without having to go to the child as she mainly settles herself down and reads her books at night now
<<<<waves>>>> hi everyone else
it was my grandads funeral today and we decided against taking S. in the end DH made the decision as he really didnt like the idea that she would either be inconsolable or play up throughout the service. it was lovely in the end but brutal and i feel settled knowing we gave him a fitting send off.
in other news...S is 6 on sunday this time 6 years ago i was settling down now knowing that at 930am the next day my waters would pop in bed the start of my biggest and best adventure and it makes me a little sad that time is passing so quickly!
**not not now
MummyLtd How has E been coping in his own room? Has N still got his plaster on?
gomurray I agree boys are soooo cuddly, friends who have girls say that they aren't half as ready to give up the hugs! How did it go back at work? It's bad enough returning to work to the inevitable questions but having to be so close to pg colleagues I agree with Nemo they should be sensitive with regard to their comments etc. You know where we are if you need to offload. Back on the TTC wagon too - no stopping you girl
Marbles Glad you feel that you gave your Grandad a good send off Happy Birthday to S for tomorrow
Impala Has E continued to sleep on her own or was Tuesday a one off I have to say since E's grommet op his sleeping has improved so much, now just got to crack those tantrums
Nemo Love the drawers you've bought for the nursery! With regards to hopes for another sleeper don't they say you'll get an opposite second time around that's why I'm going for another so I get a sleeper this time Have you started finished your tax yet Did you cope with the 101 kids visiting?
Moomin Loved the video of J singing on FB
Well AF was due Monday but arrived today, not a surprise as I had no pg symptoms whatsoever but on a positive note nowhere near as early as previous AF's so hopefully my cycles are settling down again after a few blips. I've only been doing OPK's so far I think it's time to get the big guns out and order the pre-seed
Hi ladies
Hope all is well
Someone slap me/pin me down... DH and I have been having ALOT of bedroom action of late and I'm now getting a bit optimistic about the possibility of a BFP I should know better... AF isn't due til the weekend and I have tested already it is FAR TOO EARLY!!!! Durrrr!! I need to be shaken out of it... We are not even TTC dammit!! S'pose the urge never really goes...
Marbles When is AF due? I think if the urge to have another baby is there it may go dormant but never fully goes away
AF is due on saturday so I'm quick off the mark! Like I said I should really know better I haven't had a BFP yet but here's hoping
Ladies hello ! May I just reiterate what Nemo said about how lovely it is to come back to our thread and see loads of chat
Nemo Love the drawers, getting all set for a slightly less pink life Another bonus with boys is that there are more colours than just blue - girls seem to have almost exclusivley pink stuff (would do my head in !)
Marbles I am glad that the funeral went as well as possible and that you feel more settled now. But what is all this about a potential BFP... exciting !
Buddha so sorry Af came, but glad that you are looking on the bright side. Have you tried temping and looking for EWCM ? Those are my preferred methods of catching the egg
Moomin how are things with you ?
Hello to everyone else <waves>
Well back at work - 3rd day and things are getting way easier. First day was awful, I was on the brink of tears all day, terrified someone was going to talk to me/say something to inadvertently upset me. As it turned out only 1 woman said something - she came over and said how good it was to see me back then immediately asked if they found out why it happened ! Potentially a very tricky question , however she then went on to explain that her SIL had same at 28 weeks and no reason was given. However, she then went on to explain that she'd had a MC at 12 weeks and how difficult it is, but you need to keep going for the sake of your child etc.... I was borderline but managed to hold it together.
Then yesterday there was fair bit of nonsense around absence records with HR and it meant I spent over an hour messing about trying to sort that and obviously was unable to concentrate on non-baby things so ended up sneaking off to the loo for a wee cry. Then later my manager and I had a meeting where he told me that I could take time off/work from home whenever I needed to as he appreciated it would take time to heal - which was so lovely and nearly set me off again !
Anyway, today is the first day that I feel ok, so each day gets better
On the TTC front have had random EWCM but nothing consistent and temp remains low. DP and I are both taking conception supplements (just health food shop ones, nothing scary !) and extra vit C and zinc. Combined with our Jan healthy eating plan and massively reduced alcohol intake I reckon we should be in tip top shape for TTC Just need to start actually doing something in the bedroom more frequently !
OMG sooooo tired... Been working at a court which is a total pain to get to, leaving the house at 0720, getting home at 1800-1845... Only been 2 days but I'm SHATTERED!!
Marbles any sign of af? Keeping everything crossed for you! Though of course, I realise you're not trying
How about you Buddha? how are the temps looking?
Murray I'm so sorry you had a tough start back at work, though I guess it would have been something of a miracle if it had all been too easy... Hope you're ok and that wee E is making you lots xx
Moomin hope you're not too shattered too, have been watching your gym updates on fb, am v impressed! How are things with DH now? Better I hope... xx
How's everyone else? Sorry am too tired for a better post... Was meant to see MW this aft but had to cancel due to work but have managed to re-arrange for tomorrow eve. Am quite anxious to hear the hb as it was around this time we lost Thomas plus am not really feeling movements yet. Have been lurking on the June ante natal thread and the girls on there seem to have been feeling movement for ages... Am 18weeks tomorrow.... Can't imagine what it must be like to actually relax and enjoy a pregnancy, and am still struggling to believe this one will end well, but am hoping that's just paranoia... Time will tell I guess.
Love to all xx
Nemo good to hear from you, well done managing to post anything at all despite exhaustion ! I can totally understand how you are feeling about PG, I know if I have another PG I will feel exactly the same way. It is torture not feeling movement, but if it makes you feel any better loads of people reassured me before 20 wk scan that they had little or no movement in 2nd PG up to 20 weeks. The girl at work who is due a week before my due date told me this week that she has onlt just started feeling 'proper' movement this week and she is 26 weeks (2nd PG) so please try not to worry too much.
p.s. please remind me of this post when I am at the same stage saying exactly the same thing ! It is all too easy to dish out rational advice when you are on the outside looking in.
Take it easy lovely lady and look after your wee girl and your wee boy xx
hi ladies
no AF yet... not really due until sat-mon so trying and failing to not get my hopes up!! i really should n
know better after all that has happened in the last 4 years shouldnt i!!
i tested this morning too... my eyes are trying their best to decieve me... it could be the tests too being crap... could swear theres a faint line there though dont believe it at all yet so im going to try not to test until monday yeah right
hope everyone else is ok
Can't see any previous posts and normally I'll post on laptop but dh fitted a new front door today and whilst taking out old frame cut phone line so no Internet ir phone line so apologies but can't catch up properly
marbles anything to share?
nemo how you feeling?
gomurray sounds like your body is getting itself ready super quick for ttc
moomin have you recovered from your busy week
My pre-seed arrived today so we'll be getting jiggy sometime next week! Other than that not much to report really. Off to flick through yellow pages to find someone to repair our phone line as apparently if we call bt it will cost a small fortune!
moomin for the decisions made but if they are right for you and I know it's been a while coming. You sound quite positive about where you're at for the time being and in control of it all which is the main thing. You know where I am x
Moomin so, so sorry to hear about your relationship and that you don't feel that it can be fixed . You do seem to be quite 'sorted' in your mind that you know it is for the best and I admire your determination to stay together to parent jointly - for the short-term at least. You know we are here to listen, even if you just need to rant/offload. Maybe the thread restarting has come at a good time for you too. Lots of Love xx
p.s. ov didn't happen after all - silly temp playing tricks with me.
moomin just to back up what i have said... so sorry for what is happening xx we are here if you need anything and you have my number too
hope everyone else is oki got 2 faint but definite bfps...<burys head in sand>
Moomin how are you today ?
Marbles surely if you have had 2 BFPS (even faint) and no AF then .... you are pregnant !?? Why are you not jumping up and down with joy ?... Has this happened before then ended badly in the past couple of years ? I do recall you had at least 1 chemical pregnancy before. Fingers crossed this is your time
Nemo taking it easy I hope. Bought anything else blue
My stupid body seems to be trying but failing to ov - I get EWCM every so often but then it disappears and most importantly temp remains low - boooo. I need to learn how to be patient
gomurray maybe you need af to settle everything down patience woman
marbles <whispers> congrats very quietly as I know this has ended badly so many times for you and this time you're not even ttc officially so must be more of a shock! What makes you think things are going wrong again?
nemo how you doing? Still feeling rough ?
Hi ladies
bhudda I have had a lot of spotting and a BFN since my BFPs but I'm trying to keep the optimism while I wait for my body to decide what it's doing no actual red bleeding yet but that's what happened last time and my body kept hold until 9weeks I need to test again but I'm holding out until tomorrow.
Hope everyone is doing well
Aww Marbles sorry to hear BFN and spotting , doesn't sound too hopeful after what has happened previously. Is it worth contacting hospital as didn't you say that due to lupus they'd be monitoring you closely if you got PG ?... Maybe there is something they could do to help, keep hormone level up or similar ? Big hugs xx
Buddha I am practising patience - I promise !
Still no sign of ov and EWCM left the building days ago - PITA ! Anyway, having had some very useful advice from Nemo I have decided to wait a bit (see I really am trying to practise being patient !). I'll prob only manage to hold off for 1 cycle but reckon I will wait for 1 period then there will be no stopping me !
It has been a very low week as I found out on Mon when I called the Consultant's PA that my appt to get results from bloods and post-mortem was scheduled for April - I was absolutely gutted as I was due in April - 5 whole months after the event before I get any answers . Also, as we plan to go on holiday over the fortnight of my due date I'd prob have had to defer for June. Poor Nemo had the misfortune of texting me on Monday so has been on the receiving end of my 'gutted' texts all week ! However, the good news is after badgering the PA and checking out what could be done privately, I found out this afternoon that I have an appointment with a consultant (on NHS) on 31st Jan - so not long to wait ! It is such a relief not to feel that I am being forced to wait until my due date to get answers. It may be the case that my body takes that long to start ovulating again anyway, but I can't control that...although I am trying my best by taking vitmains and supplements and eating an uber-healthy diet to ensure I am in tip top condition for an old bird
Where is everyone hiding ?...
Hello Murray! I'm here! Am SO glad that your appointment is so soon (relatively speaking), and glad that all the pestering paid off! I'm sorry to say I hadn't put 2 and 2 together about your having been due in April - all the more reason for them not to keep you hanging on until then. Would you mind telling us what your due date was? I hope you haven't already changed your holiday plans? Going away then sounds like the perfect thing to do. Hope the waiting to TTC doesn't drag too much.... At least you'll have seen the consultant before ttc-ing this way. Hope DP is home safe and sound now. How are things with the pregnant work colleagues? not too awful I hope
Oh Marbles.... it's just so unfair that this keeps happening to you, I'm so sorry to hear it sounds like it's happening again.... Will you get in touch with the hospital? I suppose if the worst comes to the worst at least you might be able to have an erpc rather than waiting another 5 weeks (until you would be 9 weeks) for af... But I absolutely appreciate that talking about an erpc as anything other than a worst case scenario is totally shit Hope you're ok chick, you've had such an awful lot to cope with since Christmas
Buddha how's the phone line? I saw the new door on fb though, looks v smart! Clever DH!! Did he really do the whole thing in a weekend? How's it going with the pre-seed?
Moomin I don't know what to say.... I'm so to hear your news..... But I second what the others say about needing to make whatever decisions are right for you. Please know we're all here if there's anything we an do.... xx
How is everyone else?
All ok here, except am totally paranoid about the fact that I'm still not feeling any movement..... Especially as I'm totally out of the closet now, went to a work drinks thing on fri night and it was fairly obvious in the dress I was wearing.... so if things don't work out I'll have to tell eeeeeveryone..... Obv if things don't work out that'll be the least of my worries, but it's preying on my mind.... I feel like I've come so far in some ways, but I'm all too aware how far I still have to go between here and holding a healthy baby in my arms.... Somehow the fact it's a boy makes it even harder to imagine a happy ending.... Gah. What a moaning old cow. Sorry. Scan is on thursday, if the consultant thinks all is well at 20 weeks I'm hoping I'll start to relax a little... BUT SOME MOVEMENT WOULD BE NICE LITTLE ONE, IF YOU'RE LISTENING.......
Hope everyone's had a good weekend xx
Nemo good to 'see' you and have some activity on the thread again ! My due date was 26th April. Still plan to be away for the second half of April - not booked anything yet as I now have an irrational fear of flying due to that fact that I flew to Munich the weekend around when I lost the baby . I haven't plucked up the courage to tell DP this yet as he has his heart set on a sunny holiday - it will only be relevant if am PG by April so may be a moot point anyway !
I totally know how you feel about movement at this stage - I was driving myself insane worrying about lack of movement even though I didn't feel it consistently with E until after 20 weeks due to anterior placenta. I know my story of PG #2 is not a good example to give you hope, but when I expressed my worries to friends LOADS of them had not felt much/any movement until after 20 weeks and they now have healthy babies - all of there examples were 2nd timers too, so please try not to worry. You are obvioulsy going to be more inclined to worry after your past experience but equally you are aware of the rarity of late losses - please remind me of this if in future I am approaching 20 weeks and in a complete panic !
I have come to the conclusion that body stopped trying to ov several days ago, so now hoping it is just a crappy post-MC anovulatory cycle and that AF will arrive soon so that I know where I am cycle-wise, I hate this no-man's land I'm in - no good for a control freak !
Now that appointment is looming I am getting myself prepared for what may be said and what questions I need consultant to answer - esp if they come back with an inconclusive result. My reading so far has suggested that 2nd trimester losses are usually connected to the mother, not the baby ('defects' with baby usually cause a 1st tri loss) - I know this wasn't your experience Nemo but then the consultant was amazed your body held onto James for so long (clearly efficient at being PG - take comfort from that). I have a few 'possible' things that may have caused the baby to die - flying, tummy bug etc... and am torturing myself with these now so I really need to get the results to stop my over-active imagination ! Plus, given that the sonographer said she thought she could see fluid on the brain it is probably a baby issue afterall - just hope it is a 'one-off' thing that is not likely to repeat.
Anyway, me, me, me ! Where is everyone else hiding ?...
Buddha have you been getting busy with the pre-seed or are you in 2ww territory ?...
Marbles how are you feeling ? I spotted you over on one of the MC threads I'd been following - think I'll pop over too and pick the brains of a couple of the ladies who seem to be very well versed in test results for late-MCs.
Murray Flying is NOT a cause of miscarriage!!!!!! Especially not a tiny little hop over to Munich. Absolutely NO WAY!! Please please don't think that had anything to do with it. No chance. Bet you anything. Even paranoid me flew to turkey when I was pg with T and my MOST paranoid friend (who is a gp) flew to Australia when she was pg. So there. Bet you it was a problem with the baby. Don't forget there's a big difference between a baby dying at 16 weeks and a baby dying at 20 weeks. Your body hung on just like mine did.
PS James is DH, and it's not just the consultant who's amazed I've put up with him for so long!!
Thomas, sorry nemo what an idiot I am, I actually thought when i typed it that it felt wrong but decided it was right in the end !
I consider myself well and truly slapped on the wrists !!!! Point taken, I will try to spend the rest of the week obsessing about finding a fab holiday instead of inventing crazy theories about what happened.
When is your 20 wk scan ? Hopefully that will help calm you down a bit.
Thanks for the virtual slap, it was much required and appreciated !
No prob, any time you need a slap just give me a shout But honestly, your time will be MUCH better spent finding a fab holiday. And Dr Nemo prescribes lots of sun!!
Scan on thurs, 2pm. Can't come quickly enough! Seeing the accountant tomorrow eve to find out the bad news about my tax bill. [terror] Last year I actually cried in his office when he told me how much I owed (thought I had a reasonable idea, thought I had enough put by. Wrong on both counts!) So am hoping it'll go better than that this year - although that's a pretty low bar! xx
Come on Other Animals!! Where are you hiding???
evening ladies
it looks like i have had yet another CP() but my body appears to be having other ideas... despite the bleeding and BFN etc i appear to be having symptoms that if i didnt know better i would swear were pregnancy symptoms MASSIVE sore tingly boobs, heartburn as bad as with DD, low stretchy/niggley pains, dizzy spells, nausea (gagging when brushing teeth etc) and feeling very drained. i and steadfastly REFUSING to test for now but keeping an eye out incase anything else pops up...
hope everyone is ok
nemo good luck with your consultant appt i have a friend who is currently baking #4 who never feels movement until past 20 weeks try not to worry too much if at all humanly possible i think you(and that beautiful boy in there) will be fine
moomin how are things with you and DH? hope all is starting to settle a little xx
bhudda hows the TTC going? lots of preseed amd SWI i am guessing i have a feeling you will be our next BFP m'dear
murray hope you are ok and not freaking out too much about the appointment <holds hand> like was said on the other thread- whatever is said at the appointment is likely to be a shock and very hard to take in so write down your questions to ask and lean on us as much as you need to xx
<<waves>> to anyone not mentioned
A-HA! I FOUND YOUUUUUU!!!
It's been so long I couldn't even remember my name 
It's also been so long, a few of you have either changed your names or we have some "new" recruits...??!!
I might have a quick read over the last few pages to refresh myself but if I could be filled in with the latest gossip I'd be mucho obligio.
I've come back to the comforts of The Zoo as I've missed you all loads and feel completely out of the loop now. I have a fair bit of gossip my end for those who aren't FB addicts. Nowt exciting mind Just boys. Silly silly boys.... <sigh> oh and loads of running (which makes me )
God I've missed you lot. Can I just give you all one big manly bear hug?
FFS !!! I have just posted a lengthy bit of chat which has disappeared into the ether - grrrrr.
However, while I was typing frazzle returned - hellooooooo ! So good to 'see' you 
- I have followed your news on FB but obviously don't know any detail, so spill. And I am super-impressed with your running - I haven't run since I was PG with E - <lazy emoticon>. There is a crib sheet further down with new names - that should help you.
Ok so back to my chat - in brief it was as follows:
Moomin good to see you and hope you are doing ok - how are things with DH ?
Marbles so sorry things are so confused for you. If it is a CP is it worth reporting to hospital ? What about baby asprin, have you tied that ? Lots of ladies who suffer from early MC and CPs swear by it.
Buddha are you on 2ww ? Good news for you that Marbles predicted a BFP - do you all remember when she used to have dreams and had an uncanny ability to predict things ? She predicted my BFP wth E !
Nemo totally understand your comment a few posts back about feeling more uneasy about PG because it is a boy again - I am convinced PG2 was a girl and already am wishing that any future PG is a boy to give me a better chance of reaching full term.
I am starting to think that I need to steel myself big time for appt on Tuesday as being told the sex will make it more real that I have lost a baby (either DD/DS and E's brother/sister) as opposed to 'just' losing a baby/pregnancy. I am thinking that no matter what the results tell us, it is going to bring a lot of emotions flooding back and have implications for how/if I approach any future PG.
As far as my stupid body goes, after CM drying up for about 10 days and expecting AF any day, I now have EWCM again (I think) plus zero spotting (I have always been a 5-days spotter !) grrrr just want AF so I have a starting point and can get on with it.
Where are Turtle, Buddha and MummyLtd hiding out ? come back !!!!
Welll helloooooo everyone! And hello Frazzle - I wasn't sure who you were til you mentioned the running/boys Am so glad you found us! There are no new recruits (not allowed!) and as Murray said I think there's a crib sheet somewhere... But:
Murray mibbes
Turtle now lives in Oz with her twin girls
Buddha used to be named after you in RL (or her cat...)
MummyLtd likes a good laugh, tee heee....
Impala Cri
Moomin is very sparkly
And think Marbles is still getting called Ei so hopefully you'll work that one out!
And I'm a woman of mystery 
Not got much time now but can I share my TOTAL paranoia of the day? If someone would come and give me a slap that would be marvellous.... Although tis a bit embarrassing actually..... Was out last night, ate at the pub with friends and by the time I waas about to go to sleep I was feeling really sick, different from normal preg sick. I then woke at about 0040 with bad stomach ache, but was definitely higher up than LO so not too worried and just tried to go back to sleep. Think was mild food poisoning. Bloody pub. Got up to shower at about 6.45. Had shaved pits, but not legs [nice]. suddenly saw blood dripping onto the floor of the shower, bight red and quite frequent drops, nearly had heart failure. Couldn't feel anything so panicked even more as normally when you're bleeding and can't feel it, it's only coming from one place... Got straight out of the shower and then realised it was coming from my right nipple so went immediately from panic about mc to panic about breast cancer................ Ran off to find DH who had a look and reckons I'd nicked just under my nipple with my razor during aforementioned shaving.... Totally wasn't aware of it if I did, though boobs are unusually large and therefore getting in the way much more than I'm used to at the moment so I suppose it's possible, but it really freaked me out. Cut was under nipple so I can't really see it. i have a drs appt booked on 1st feb so guess will just ask then but wanted to see what you guys thought. What an idiot huh?!!? V stressful start to stressful day methinks... Nxx
Oh god, I'm such a lamo. I've been reading through and cannot take it all in. All the name changes have lost me completely. I think I'm going to have to start from here.
moomin you like how I asked you who pickledmoomin was? What a duffbag!
Murray I was really saddened to read about your MC. I had absolutely no idea until now. You seem to be keeping upbeat which is really good. I'll be thinking of you on Tuesday x
Nemo Congratulations for your lickle BOY! One of each, you lucky thing you. I bet little T is getting so grown-up now!
I'd love to get us all together again soon if we can..?
My news is pretty rubbish really. Just a man zapping all the life out of me and making me feel like I've hit rock bottom. Nothing compared to the shit most people have to go through. Feel a bit of a fraud really.
Basically, after a year of emotional turmoil - one minute he wants us to be back together, the next he wants nothing to do with me (this happened a stupid number of times) - I decided to make a massive step by telling him exactly what I thought of him and not to contact me again. I then removed him from FB and Twitter. Been struggling immensely since . I was diagnosed with severe depression last March and it was him who put me there. Desperately hoping not to go back there but can feel it all starting again.
I feel so pathetic telling you all this. I sound like a heartbroken teenager! Keep telling myself how ridiculous it is and today I'm a bit brighter.
That's kind of why I came here. I know you guys will put me on the straight and narrow and get me to buck my ideas up!
I feel like I've lost touch with you all which makes me pretty sad as you've all been there for me throughout my PCOS TTC months/years.
On a positive note, I've got my Brighton Half marathon in 3.5 weeks time and have signed up for Bristol and Cardiff later on in the year. Moomin you might have a lodger for Cardiff...
I'm also heading off to Borneo and Kuala Lumpur for 10 nights on 12th April SANS ENFANTS!! I can't friggin wait. I'm completely burnt out atm childwise if I'm completely honest. Desperate for this break.
Still not got the ball rolling for the divorce but once I've worked how how the blazes to start, I'll get right onto it. It's still the best decision I've ever made. Apart from deleting the latest tosspot from my life of course...
Right, I will definitely be back later today. Gotta go and pick up C from school then I've got a babysitter coming over so I can go for a run (it's an expensive hobby!)
Cheerio guys. It really is so amazing to be back
frazzle lovely to 'see' you sorry things have been rough I have tried to keep up on FB but didn't manage to obv glad to see you back
Il catch up properly later as I'm on th bus should be home soon thank fuck
Mwah Mwah.
I love that we are all back
Evenin' all!
I'm just back from my run and now have my feet up and embracing my sugar habit yet again. I've no idea why I'm doing this as I weighed myself at the gym and I've put on a good half a stone. Bloody useless scales. Clearly they're wrong! Ahem...
Anywho... Nemo Crikey woman! That's enough to put the bejeezus into anyone! Shaving your nipples indeed. That'll learn yer
Marbles man alive! I'd love to know what's going on with your bod. Don't you wish sometimes you could press a button and see what the hell is going on?! Keep us posted though won't you?
I've actually had to do a few preg tests myself over the last few days. Thanks to that moron Sam the Spam Potatohead (that is his real name). I would have loved to be able to take a look inside my tummy. Ridiculous thought considering the TTC I've had to do in the past! I do seem to have these weird phantom pregnancies after jiggery pokery with him, quite odd. My wonderful mind playing tricks on me! I keep forgetting that it won't happen again, if I know what's good for me ....
Moomin Yay!
I tell you what, that run did me a world of good. I find it amazing what exercise does to my emotional state. I wish I could do it everyday. Better than any anti-depressant!
My sister just text. My Mum's in hospital with a bad stomach ache. She had to go in yesterday as she was in agony the night before. She came out with the diagnoses of IBS and a urinary infection but was in agony again today. Gawd knows what's going on. Waiting to hear news from my sis...
G'day everyone!
Great to see so many of us back on here, big waves to Frazzle
Nemo Ouch! can well imagine the fright you must have gotten too
Marbles So sorry this is happening to you again Hope you are ok xxx
Budda How is the ttc going?
Dh and I have decided we are going to go again and start ttc again. Going in to docs tomorrow to get my implant contraception thingy removed from my arm - we must be mad!
Hello to everyone else, its Australia day here today so we are off out to a bbq will catch up properly tomorrow
Afternoon, yep I'm back again! Just thought I'd keep you all updated on my mundane life...
Had a mega dream I was back in Bristol with Sam Spamhead, so woke up very but then saw I had a long but lovely lovely message from his best friend (a girl who I've since become friends with). It was just what I needed. She knows what he's like and completely understands how I feel and really stuck up for me and said all the right things, which made me cry... but happy tears
I feel so lucky as all my friends have been really rallying around me. I still can't believe it's affected me so much. Feels like grieving in a way. This is a lot worse than when I split from the ex, but then I had a choice then and it came to a natural end. This time it didn't and I had no choice but to cut him out when I really didn't want to.
God, I'm boring myself so much with all this bollocks, bleeuugghh! Shurrup now woman! AArrrrghhh!!
Spent the morning at Jitterbugs Play cafe in Wimbledon, having a good old chinwag with my mum buddies then came back for luncheon. Gotta go off to the GP for 2nd attempt at verucca removal (noice!) a bit later.
Mum's still in hospital awaiting ultrasound results...
Has anyone had a go at the Timeline on FB? I didn't like it last week but I'm warming to the idea now. Think I might just give it a whirl....
Turkleton Yay to TTC again! How exciting!!! Let the madness commence! A very Happy Australia Day to you!
Right, I'm off to check out this timeline thingiebob. I have 40 minutes to kill, stay asleep little people, stay asleep....
frazzle sounds like spam wasn't exactly prince charming. It really is like grieving when a relationship ends for whatever reason I remember pining after the boyfriend I had who impregnated me when I had MC%231 he treated me like shite, cheated on me and messed me around but I loved him and he was firmly inside my head for months and months afterwards it's awful {{{hugs}}}
Oooo turk TTC again? Excellent loads of luck xx
Just in case your still worried all is ok with nemo I'm sure she'll be along to update soon. Back fir a catch up tomorrow
So sorry not posted, scan great but ms back with a vengeance (at over 20weeks FFS!?!?!) and really struggling. (D)H in bad books as was "too busy" to come to the scan 
but luckily my lovely sister took the afternoon off work and came instead. So much appreciated. Consultant was v reassuring, and baby still DEF a boy! Said if I'm not feeling movement it's a perception issue rather than anything to do with the baby, apparently he's a right wriggler, which is exactly what I needed to hear.
Sorry for the me me me post and sorry to keep you all hanging, promise will be back when I can. Suspect I would feel a lot better if I could actually sleep but prob too much to ask for the next year or so!!
Ps finally outed myself on fb tonight, so I guess now it's official
Murray will be thinking of you on Tuesday lovely. Will be tough but it's an important step forward on this tough old road. You'll get there lovely, I have every faith xx
Nemo Fantastic news! Your DH needs a kick in the shins mind And why are you apologising for the "me me me" post? You dafty! If we're not allowed to do that then I'd better delete my past couple of posts! Sorry your MS is back. That sucks.
We're just off to see Cars 2. Bloody hate those stupid damned films but I need to kill time with the scamps. Ex H coming over later to watch them so I can go for a run. Feeling gross at the moment. Nasty case of biscuitoverindulgence lately. 3 more weeks until Brighton half and I cannae fricken wait!
Morning
nemo great news for the scan crap about the MS thoughget some ginger ale in you
frazzle hope you are feeling better I would love to do a marathon but I fear I would die horribly
Hope everyone else is ok (where are you allll!? How very dare you all have lives)
I'm still in limbo here but trying to ignore it I'm waiting for more tests to arrive and have booked myself in to see the GP on 9th feb to talk it through DH is convinced there is someone in there (my uterus) and will not let me do ANYTHING so at least I'm getting a rest even if there's no one living in my body every cloud eh...
Marbles rest all you can missy! Take full advantage. I would. I do hope your GP can help you this time. Why the hell have they left you so long ffs!
Never know, maybe your DH is right.... (!!!)
I've had an interesting couple of days. A friend of a mutual friend of Spam and I got in contact with me explaining how she's also been fooled by him and so have a few others. Same lines and everything! Seems he's a repeat serial offender. Should've guessed really!
I'm now plotting sweet revenge..... I think that man needs to be taught a lesson. I'm thinking something along the lines of that Lily Allen Smile video. Scratching up his records (he's a hip hop DJ) and spiking his tea with laxatives.... Now THAT would be so very funny but, unfortunately, impossible to pull off.
Where is everyone?
Nemo is clearly too busy with her head over the toilet but the rest of you have no excuse!
Please come and entertain me!
Sorry I haven't posted in ages, but I have been keeping up with all the news!
Nemo Hurrah for a successful scan and a boy Shame on (D)H not coming along to the scan with you though that's really not on after everything you've been through! Sorry to hear about ms being back, hope it goes away soon. I found ginger nut biscuits a great help for ms, if not for my waistline, when pg. And those travel sickness bands too. Hope the meeting with the accountant went OK. I'm also self-employed and totally empathise with being hit with a massive tax bill. It happened to me a couple of years ago and I'm still paying back my mum the money she loaned me
Frazzle Lovely to have you back my dear, so sorry to hear about the crap year you've had. It sounds as though you're definitely better off without Spam, but it will probably take a while to get him out of your system. Love the plans for wreaking revenge How was Cars 2? Very impressed with all the running and your dedication, well done you. Totally agree that exercise is the best form of anti-depressant too.
GoMurray Good luck for Tuesday, can well imagine you have mixed feelings about it. Will be thinking of you.
Marbles Keeping fingers crossed for you and hope you get some answers from tests and GP. Milk DH's helpfulness for all it's worth and rest up
Turkelton Yay on deciding to ttc again Hope having the implant thing removed wasn't too painful. Best of luck, hoping for some good news very soon!
Buddha How is ttc going? Keeping fingers crossed for you too!
Moomin Really sorry to hear about how things are with your DH Hope you're OK.
Mummylimited Hope you're OK and just busy with your two lovely boys
All OK here although had a horrid week last week. E had an ear infection at the beginning of the week so we were stuck indoors for 3 days, I was climbing the walls by the end of it! She's also being really difficult at the moment, everything is a constant battle of wills and to be honest I'm getting tired of it. I know some of it is down to her being tired after being ill and being on ABs for the infection, but it really is wearing me down Please tell me it's just a phase!
I'd also like to ask you lovely ladies for advice about a situation with my mum which is also getting me down. Basically she just seems to be too busy to be involved with E, at least that's how I perceive it She's always been involved in organisations/committees etc. ever since I was a child. When my dad was alive they were heavily into rowing, to the point where they were training several nights a week and every weekend. No problem with that, we still saw them regularly Then when my dad died she threw herself into her various activities (she's an alternative therapist and took on the management of a holistic centre), which again was totally understandable, she wanted to keep herself busy. However, when I had E I (selfishly perhaps) imagined she might want to be involved with her grand-daughter, especially as we live in the same town, she's 10 minutes away. Neither of my grand-mothers lived close to us when I was little, one was in France and the other was 2 hours away, although I did have a good relationship with them, especially my French granny, even though I only saw her 3 or 4 times a year. But seeing as my mum lives so near I had hoped that she and E would see a lot of each other. They have done, to a certain extent, in that my mum comes round several times a week, but I feel as though she's fitting us in around her other commitments most of the time and she'll stay for an hour maximum. Also, if E is tired and not in a great mood (which to be fair happens towards the end of the day when my mum comes round, especially since she dropped her afternoon nap) then she'll start looking at her watch and makes her excuses to go. Fair enough, she has things to do. But since E was born my mum knows how I've struggled at times with lack of sleep and trying to work and she's not ever really offered to help. She's had E to sleep at hers two or three times since she was born. E adores her and would love to stay over more often, but mum is always too busy with one thing and another. She also never takes her anywhere on her own unless I'm away on a training course of working for example. She won't ever offer to take her off my hands for an afternoon say so that I can have a break. I have never asked my mum to help with childcare figuring that E is my child and my responsibility, but when I look around at friends whose mums are very hands on I just feel so . Perhaps it's a case of she had her own children and now enjoys her freedom too much? We almost have to make an appointment to see her at times and she seems to be taking on more and more commitments. For example last week, when E was ill and we were stuck at home all week she managed to make time to see us for an hour on Wednesday afternoon and that was it. The previous week she came to watch E swim but didn't stay to actually see her once she'd got out of the pool Poor E was distraught when I had to tell her my mum had gone. To make matters worse, she looks after my sister's dog every few months and, strangely, manages to clear her diary when she's got him in order to take him for 2-hour walks every day E and I get even less of a look-in when the dog is around! Odd that she can make time for a dog but not her grand-daughter As I said, E adores her and is always asking when we can see my mum and I'm fed up with having to explain to her that she's busy. Re-reading this I sound like a petulant child, but I'm just sad and disappointed that my mum isn't really involved in E's life. RL friends have suggested that it's my mum that is missing out, which is true, but I wondered if any of you lovely ladies had any words of wisdom and how I could perhaps gently broach the subject with my mum. Trouble is I can feel myself getting angry and upset typing this so I'm not sure I could have a rational discussion with mum. Perhaps write to her? Or am I over-reacting? Help! Sorry for the long post, it's probably not what Frazzle had in mind when she asked us to entertain her
Hello!
I'm going to try and remember everyone but I can't read any posts when replying-silly app. Laptop screen is still broken!
I'm just back from a child free weekend in London. It was lots of fun but it's always lovely to be back with L&J. Went up to stay with my best friend (who is also my ex from before I got together with D.) and his brother. We met up with some friends from school on Friday night and then went to see 'Ghost the Musical' on Saturday before going to a lovely Argentinian restaurant for dinner. It's messed my head up a bit... Whilst I'm pretty sure things won't improve with D, I can't help having thoughts about whether the grass is greener. Spending a weekend together makes me realise how close we are, how much he knows about me in comparison to D. He's a really good looking bloke, very likeable personality, a City job and we share the same interests. Not sure I should be allowing myself to think too much about him. But it didn't work out before, and he has a wonderful life in London with me screwing it all up for him. And the last thing I need is a distraction from finalising things amicably here. I doubt he's interested anyway and I certainly don't need to torture myself with wondering what could be.
Murray I'm sending you do much strength and keeping you in my thoughts. Please know that we are here for you. I hope the appointment brings you some closure. X
Impala Mothers, aye?! My mother isn't very hands on, either. I had no contact with her during my pregnancy with L. She didn't agree with our relationship. And then she didn't meet her granddaughter until she was almost a year old. She'd never come to our house (even though she's now on speaking terms with Dai after 7 years) and would never call to see how we are. She'll look after Joe if I'm working but insists she is paid. She won't take him anywhere other than the shop to buy a paper from my father and so he'll sit in front of the tv. She wouldn't look after them unless I was working. She refused to look after them overnight even on my wedding night. She doesn't work, have friends or hobbies.
Although I often resent the situation, I've learnt that this is simply who she is. She didn't have support with us and it would never occur to her to insist on helping. When I was ill last year (and there were days I couldn't lift my head and was admitted to hospital) I had to find friends to look after the children. She had to go food shopping....
I hope someone can offer advice to help rather than just to feel your pain. And E will settle once she's feeling better.
Nemo I'm so glad all went well at the scan and that you're feeling reassured (for now at least!). at DH for not going with you. Do you remember that D didn't come to my 12 week scan? He was busy working, too!
Frazzle I can't say I'm surprised with you recent discovery about Spam. He's not an easy character and his depression certainly wouldn't have helped yours. As I've said before, you're better off this way. You'll eventually look back and be grateful that you made the decision to cut him out. The revenge may help, too .
hi ladies
moomin im still waiting for tests to arrive but im starting to think its just my body being an arsehole as usual we are now TTC in earnest as we have put a time limit on it of new year...i think 5 years is quite enough heartache and DH agrees so if we dont get a baby by then then we are going to stop TTC.
kat i remember you!! dont you have some news to share?
frazzle i like your plan for revenge...i would maybe post him some kippers the smellier the better
hope everyone else is ok today
Good afternoon lovely ladies.
Impala I wish I could wave a magic wand over your mother but I'm afraid to say, in my experience, some people are just like that.
"Perhaps it's a case of she had her own children and now enjoys her freedom too much" - Hit the nail on the head there
It always seems to be one set of grandparents are very hands on and the other not.
Ex H's parents have always been very hands on and very affectionate towards the children whereas my mother is not. She's actually great and will (most of the time) have the boys or one of them if I ever ask but she would never offer and she's certainly not as affectionate as the other GP's.
It's true what your friends have said. She is the one missing out. I know this doesn't help you much. Are DH's parents still around?
BTW, I can sympathise with the constant battle of wills. Jack is ridiculously stubborn. On top of that, he's always causing trouble and making other children cry and is basically like a bull in a china shop at the playgroups. It's awful. We had to storm out of one this morning as he hurt another child (he was warned). I actually wanted to cry. I never thought I'd be the mother of a child everyone was nervous of/disliked. Thankfully for him he has a very cheeky persona which most people think is hilarious so he gets away with murder
Moomin From what you've told me about C, it seems as though he is interested but he's probably a bit confused. It's a very difficult situation as you're such good friends but when you have history it can make things very difficult. If he wanted to, would you ever go back there? How did things end when you were together? Would the same problems arise if you got back together?
I hope you're right about Spam. I can't wait for the day when I don't miss him anymore. I'd actually really like him to get back in touch just so I can tell him to eff off but I know I'd eventually give into him so it's far better he doesn't.
Marbles and Buddha What Moomin said! Symptoms please from both of you!
Katturner.... hmmm rings a bellllll..... Nah, it's gone. Who?
<Arf> How are you doing since I last saw you? Fancy a bit of Collywobbling this week or next?
Nemo How's the sickness today? I can't say I ever really had it. Think I'd have freaked right out as I'm completely terrified of throwing up!
Right, just so you know. Not only are they selling Peanut Butter Kitkat Chunkies at my local sweet shop, but M&S are selling chocolate covered pretzles! <dribble> Seriously, this is bad. It's all I can think of. I'm trying my damnedest to get into peak fitness too after putting on nearly half a stone in about three weeks. I wouldn't mind so much if I could just have one bar/bag but I'd have to have about 5 as there's no stopping me once I get started. So bloody selfish of the shops to do something like this. Annoyed much.
Now I've got to respond to an email from my Spam distraction (Let's just call him 'M' for now) and I've no idea what to write. MEN!! It was almost easier being in a shit long term relationship. At least I knew where I stood
FS! I can see the sweet shop from here. I'm sure I can see a bright light beaming from those badass Kitkats....
Hello ladies !
awww so many ladies with 'not very helpful' mums . Impala I hope that fact that you are not alone helps, even though nobody has any answers for you. My mum lives over 200 miles away but still makes the effort to come at least once a month and looks after E on the Monday following the weekend she comes down . I know if I lived closer she'd babysit more and take him out but as it is I think she does her bit. DP's mum also does her bit once a month on a Monday and also takes him for overnight stays and helps out when we need it for the odd half day here and there - she lives locally. Clearly I am very lucky.
Moomin your weekend in London sounds fab - I think I quite fancy your BF based on description, sounds lovely !!! but I guess you are right to sort out your current situation before letting your heart wander as well as your eye
Marbles what news from you my dear ? Any symptoms/AF ?
Buddha SYMPTOMS PLEASE
Turk what happening with you, are you going back on clomid ? I remember when you got results of how well you'd ov'd after taking clomid and we joked that you were going to fill a people-carrier with babies !
KatTurner - what was your zoo name - I actually recognise your 'real' name but cannot remember who you were MN-wise !
I have been trying to think up questions to ask consultant. I guess questions depend on the results but I don't wan tto walk away and realise that there were a whole host of things I wanetd to ask. Had a long chat with DP about appt at dinner on Sat night (a rare night out thanks to mum and dad babysitting) and we are just going to see what we are told and take it from there - what will be will be.
Body still taking the p!ss out me - random days of EWCM and zero thermal shift .
BTW Nemo what did you mean about 'Birdsong' - I haven't watched it but saw a tiny bit last night and it looked good.
Sorry for being awol ladies, I seem to have been mega busy but can't actually remember with what
gomurray Good luck for tomorrow I will be thinking of you, be strong (not that you seem anything else!) and take your notebook! Any sign of AF yet?
marbles what is your poor body doing to your head, this pg/ttc business is such a headf**k. Hope you are still making the most of dh imposed resting? We are kind of on a time limit too, although we haven't set a date to stop I am 40 this year so tick tock tick tock
Frazzle Hurray I thought we'd lost you to FB and twitter! You make me laugh with all the running but still having your mad cravings for all things naughty (including men) So sorry to hear you have meant yet another wrong un as they say, but how good does it feel offloading here? At least you can say you've made a new friend (his best friend) out of this who completely understands what you are going through in RL too. Any more revenge plans? Have you managed to ignore the chunky KitKats!!
nemo Completely inappropriate when you were having a mini meltdown but all I could do was at the thought of you cutting your nipple I have such images in my head now Once again so glad that your scan went well, any names yet? More importantly have you worked out how you can make DH pay yet? I had awful MS all the way through, is it just the feeling or are you actually throwing up? I lost a stone off my pre-pregnancy weight due to MS all the way through so it's not all bad Just remind me of that if I'm lucky enough to get pg again!
Turkleton Yey another one ttc! Lets have a race
Impala I fully understand why you feel so annoyed with your Mum's lack of interest, I never get gp's that don't want to be completely and utterly involved but I suppose that's because both sets of mine are pretty good to be honest (although dm is sometimes FAR too involved and telling me what to do!) but I suppose that's better than seeming disinterest. Both sets of parents help us with childcare and my Mum is always giving us a break and having him overnight etc, we are very lucky I agree with your friends that say it's her loss, and although E won't have the close relationship you would have liked I'm sure you will more than make up for it and in the future with her children too. I'm very worried that E is having another "stage" I'm hoping Ewan will grow out of his VERY quickly but the tantrums seem never ending so if he has another one at 3 I will be grey and very wrinkly!
moomin So another man in your head hey? Well we can't help the feelings and thoughts that creep in it's just wether we act on them or not. You can't help comparing to D that's only natural, maybe sort things out at home and then see how things lie with C? Maybe take the kids next time if that doesn't put him off nothing will
Kat Congratulations, what does I think about a possible brother or sister?
Well if you are still awake after this mammoth post apologies it's a bit long! Now on 2 ww AF is due Friday, no symptoms, keep imagining I've got sore (.)(.) but I think it's all in my head although PMT is not bad as it normally is although that's not even probably a symptom!
Forgot to put myself on the list
Kat 22 weeks pg no.2 yellow!! EDD 31st May
Buddha Cycle 4 AF due 03/02/12
Not sure what the non pg/ttc people will put on the list? Men?
Evening animals. Just settling down to watch our current Love film with DH - How to train your Dragon Am sure we shouldn't be watching U certificate (animated) films when it's just the 2 of us! I saw part of it with DD on the ferry to France in September and I quite fancied seeing the rest - saddo? moi?
Kat I'll do you the updated stats if you like. Don't think a list would work as not everyone is TTC/preggers. Hope everyone else doesn't mind, and doesn't object to what I'm about to say about them! BTW I was trying to remember your mn name, I think for a while you were Meeow and before that you were named after your cats, Something and Harry? Or have I got that totally wrong?
Ok, non-list type list:
Nemo 20 weeks pregnant with no 2, blue. EDD allegedly 12th june but I reckon more like 15th/16th.
Frazzle I'm guessing you know about from RL
Marbles is having a v stressful time waiting to see if she is pg with much wanted DC2 or if her body is playing tricks on her and she is actually waiting for (yet) another CP/MC . We're all very much hoping it's the former, while being ready with much vodka hand holding if it's the latter.
Impala's lovely daugter E is over 3 already , but Impala is ready for her to start catching up on the last 3 years of sleep sometime soon please... ATM she's nor planning on having any more DC.
MummyLtd is kept v busy by her 2 gorgeous boys and her blog (hence the name). I'm not aware of any plans for DC3 but perhaps she'll be along soon to put me straight on that one
Murray has a consultant's appointment tomorrow (and needs to take a v bag handbag along with her so we can all fit in it to provide moral support). She was expecting DC2 but very sadly discovered that her baby had died at her 20 week scan appointment in December and had to be induced We all wish there was more we could do to help but are massively impressed by how well she is doing
Moomin and her 2 beautiful DCs are alive and well and living in Wales! Moomin has had a frankly shocking year, and deserves some sort of medal for the fact that she is still functioning. She has been extremely unwell but is hopefully now on the mend and has had a lot of grief to deal with as well. Her DP is now her DH but alll is not well though things are aamicable at the moment.
Turk, her DH and their beautiful twins are now living in Australia! And she's just told us they're going too TTC#3 which is EXTREMELY exciting news!
Buddha is also TTC for a sibling for her gorgeous E, while we nag her for symptoms like the demented supportive ladies we really are . She's another one who wouldn't mind a bit more sleep if there's any going...!
Is that everyone? I really hope people don't mind, just thought some of you might not particularly enjoy spelling out what's been happening of late. Feel free to come and write something crass and insensitive about me if I've offended anyone...
Gomurray I meant what I said, I'll be thinking of you tomorrow. I really hope you get the answers you need... I guess for me there would be 3 main topics. 1. the sex of your baby, 2. what happened and why, 3. whether it's likely to happen again in any subsequent pregnancy and if so what they can do to minimise the risks/what monitoring etc you'll be offered. That's obviously only the very briefest of lists, I'm sure the ladies on the mc threads will have come up with something more useful...
BTW re Birdsong I just meant that it was so bloomin traumatic watching it. I knew it would be, and yet... Still I watched it.....
Impala have you had any further thoughts about the best way forward with your mum? I'm really sorry not to have had anything more useful to say yesterday...
Moomin glad you had a good time in London, but you're probably right, sounds llike a sure fire way to make an extremely complicated situation even more so... Maybe a good topic for daydreams for now though? You must have been v young when you 2 were together, how long did the relationship last?
Frazzle I haven't lived. I've never had a peanut butter chunky kit kat Though given how fat I now am I suppose I may as well start... Went to M&S for yet another bra measuring today, it seems I have gone from a 32B to a 36D and I'm only 20 weeks. Am afraid. Am VERY afraid. It's not the D bit I object to, it's the 36.... sob......
Right. That'll have to do for now. Love to all.
Buddha cross posted due to my MASSIVE post! Sadly no chance of me losing weight, despite the sickness. Am not acutally being sick, just feeling sick, but nowadays it's than hangover, must eat lots of crap type of sickness if that makes sense... Thanks for the sympathy following my shower trauma btw Maybe my bra measuring comments explain why they're getting in the way so much more than I'm used to?!?!?!? Oh dear. Am a MESS!! Please keep us informed with any more symptoms. Can see why you cried about having SIX!!
So did I mention I'm off on a spa day tomorrow? Can't bloomin wait!! Bought it for a friend of mine for her 40th so thought it only right I should go along to keep her company though the thought of appearing in public in swimwear without T to hide behind is extremely scary! One at a time please madam......
buddha good symptoms are you going to hold out until friday? im still waiting for the tests i ordered over a week ago so i still havent retested...symptoms still strong etc and i had an odd dream last night too i was lying in bed (in my dream) and had a weird feeling in by upper tummy, put my hand on my belly and i had a big baby bump with a wriggly baby in there!! very vivid and i felt rather when i woke up. its all i want...
nemo hope the MS eases soon and you get to start to enjoy your preg
<<<<waves>>>> to everyone else
Thanks for all your lovely messages ladies, it really does help to know that I'm not alone in this situation, I'm just sorry to read that my mother is not the only one when it comes to not being involved with grand-children. Makes me very I do wonder why it is? A whole host of complex reasons I guess. Unfortunately MIL is now 85, lives over an hour away and also still has SIL at home with her as she has Down's so she really can't help out at all. And FIL died 5 years ago Ironically I think if MIL were younger and lived closer then she would be more involved than my mum. I guess I'm just going to have to accept that this is how things are, enjoy the time she can give to E and stop wishing things were different. I thought I was managing to do this but occasionally it does all get to me again. I do hope that if and when E has children I will be able to help out as much as she needs me to. Although like Buddha I'm 40 this year too so I could be in my mid-70s by then! Do you have any plans for your 40th btw Buddha? I'm thinking of just sloping off somewhere with DH either just the two of us (assuming mum is not too busy to look after E ) or with E as well. Don't really fancy a big party.
Symptoms sound promising Buddha, fingers crossed for you!
Kat Of course I remember you! Congratulations on your lovely news but sorry to hear it was difficult this time around. Hope the rest of the pg is now all plain sailing to make up for it. How is your little cat doing btw? I remember your posts on FB when he was really ill not so long back, hope he's fit and well again.
Frazzle Sorry you didn't get to go running tonight (saw your post on FB!). Stay away from that chocolate! Sorry Jack is giving you a hard time at the moment too. A friend of mine has a boy whose behaviour was very similar to what you describe when he was the same age. I think unfortunately it is just a phase, this boy is now 4 and is much calmer. With your work I don't suppose you can really avoid playgroups etc. can you? I was going to suggest more physical activities where he can burn off some energy but not sure if that's possible. Is he at pre-school? If so, how does he behave there? It must be really hard for you at times, fingers crossed this phase passes quickly.
Moomin Lovely to "see" you, sounds as though you had a lovely weekend in London I would just echo what the lovely ladies here have said, just take things one step at a time and see how things develop. If the reason for your break-up wasn't anything major then no reason why it couldn't work. I'm reading "One Day" atm (haven't finished it yet so nobody spoil it please!) and the couple in the book have just got together after years apart and seeing/being married to other people. Oh and they are "best friends" too Why not in real life??
Sorry to hear about your mum not exactly being hands on either In particular I'm that she didn't look after L and J on your wedding night. It sounds as though you have some wonderful friends though
Nemo Thanks for sharing your story about your mum, I was amazed that she doesn't help out when she lives next door, quite unbelievable! You'll cope just fine with another baby, don't worry. You've done a great job with T by the sound of it And enjoy the spa day tomorrow btw
GoMurray will be thinking of you tomorrow
Marbles Hope you find out one way or another very soon, must be dreadful being in limbo like that.
I'm pleased I checked for updates to the thread before posting as I saw Nemo had provided useful background information for each of us rather than a list. I was going to add myself and E being 3.2 years going on 13 but you've heard all about that
Must go, "One Day" is calling, want to find out how it all ends!
Nemo sorry I just at your incident! at your new size I bet dh likes them though Enjoy your spa day tomorrow and just think even 5 months pg you'll look slimmer than me in a swimming costume!
Marbles I'm going to really really try not to test early so no tempting me I don't think we've been lucky enough this time despite preseed x
Oh and marbles I really hope your dream comes true
Impala cross posts we're very busy in here tonight! No plans for my 40th definately don't want a party, it's my dh's 30th so I'd rather mine slipped by unnoticed and hopefully I'll be pg!! Although we're going to the isle of wight the week before which will be lovely Where are you hoping to go with dh?
bhudda thanks yours too its my 30th this year so im hoping it will be the year of the big birthdays and big bellies for us both although my belly is sizeable without a baby in there
impala sorry i didn't say anything about the mum situation i meant to but as my brain is mush symptom it slipped my mind! my mum is similar although she will have S overnight from time to time. she wont take her out and moans ALOT as if she is being burdened by her granddaughter my dad dotes on S and i think that may be the only reason my mum reluctantly agrees to babysit we have a weird relationship and she is VERY skittish and overbearing on S- and therefore very judge-y with me- doesn't agree with alot of my parenting choices (i do naughty step rather than smacking and remove toys/privileges rather than smacking etc mum was very slap-happy when i was growing up "didn't do me any harm" apparantly- showed me what not to do i suppose) could be worse most definitely but it could also be a hell of a lot better. so not much by way of advice but i suppose i wanted to add to those who feel your pain to one degree or another.
anywho...
Marbles I could have written that exact same post re smacking etc! My mum gave me the same line of "it didn't hurt you" it's the only thing we've fallen out over as I do time out too, my problem is that it doesn't seem to be working which doesn't help my argument with her!!
Nemo thank you very much, that was very thorough just what I wanted and I think you're right about the name!! Amazing.
impala thank you for your concern, my little Harry is fit and well and made a full recovery against all the odds! The vets refer to him as 'the miracle' we are very lucky.
I am sorry to hear a few of you ladies have had/are having a tough time but also pleased to hear so much good news, and new babies on the way.
buddha yes, men, I like that! I want to read that stuff from people
I, DH and I are doing really well and eagerly awaiting DC2 (I insists it's a girl) I shall attempt to keep up and visit more often, feels good to hear from you all again! Night ladies
Busiest night in here since sometime in 2008 I reckon love it!!
Impala One Day was our book club book in September. Top tip: don't finish it!! Anyone else read it?
Anyone around? I'm fixing my laptop so sat here bored
Is thrush an early sign??
Budddha Don't know about thrush, possibly? Try google perhaps?
Nemo Wish I'd seen your post before rushing off back to "One Day", too late now! Really didn't expect that twist E woke up at 11pm so still haven't finished it! Tonight I hope. Has anyone else read it? Really recommend it.
Marbles Thanks for your comments re mums, sorry yours isn't quite as supportive as you would like. I catch myself wondering what my dad would have been like with E and whether my parents would have been more hands on. But what ifs are futile really Hope your laptop is fixed!
Kat So pleased Harry made a full recovery bless him
Buddha It must be so hard if your mum disagrees with something you're doing with E. That is one advantage with my mum, she doesn't try to impose her views at all and just lets me get on with it with E. She has also been a good sounding board at times (especially with the sleep issues). Time out doesn't really work with E either - we call it going to the corner and she just thinks it's funny and refuses to stay, you have to physically restrain her. We have success with counting to 3 when we want her to do something, i.e. "come and brush your teeth otherwise there will be no stories before bed, 1,2,3." On very rare occasions I have put her in her room if she's being a real nightmare but I try to avoid that. Distraction and incentives/reward charts seem to work better for her.
Have a good day all - weather is awful here today so off to an indoor play area this morning and E has a trampolining class this pm, nothing like introducing her to the sport early when she has a coach as a mum
Turk here, new name
On phone and not really sure what I am doing here, lovely to see so much activity on the thread!
Gomurray - thinking of you today xxx
Marbles Hope all is ok with you and you are resting up
Impala Have no real advice to offer re mam troubles. My MIL tends to be very hands off when it comes to the twins (well at least when we lived in the same country! she has a good excuse now) But can remember how horrible it was having to practically make appointments for twins to see their granny
Nemo So glad scan went well for you
Kat Great to see you Congrats on the bump
Bhudda How is the 2ww coming along? Symptoms !?!
Moomin Very of your weekend away
Frazzle How are you doing all this running! Seriously need some tips here haha
Am sure have forgotten half of the things I wanted to post as can't scroll back to see previous messages, was one of those days with the twins today, they were a right handful, fighting all day! Got Implant out today, arm is sore so am heading to bed with a good book - and will definitely catch up properly tomorrow
like the new name superG it suits you
good luck today murray <holds hand>
hope everyone else is ok
Wow ladies - what a lot of chat !
Congrats on being PG Kat feel free to share your journey to 22 weeks - unless you'd rather nto for any reason of course.
Buddha exciiiintg ! Love a good 2ww symptom spot !!
Nemo I have One Day on my kndle for my next read - should I bother.. crappy ending ?
Marbles got laptop fixed ?
Turk !! What are you doing ?!! New names are just going to confuse me even more !!! Like it though
Thank you all so much for your good wishes - my mobile has been going mad with people wishing me luck all morning, am so lucky that so many people care so much. I will be holding your virtual hands in there... am quite nervous now. All I am hoping is that the result is not something that is likely to repeat so that we can proceed with TTC (once my stupid body decides to start working again). Off to collect E from nursery soon - will report back as soon as I can.
Wow! Where the blazes do I start?
Buddha and Marbles Preg dreams from both of you....(!!)
Nemo I hope your spa day is going amazingly! Let us know what treatments you've had. Not jealous.
Murray Thinking of you.... I hope it goes as well as can be expected. xx
Impala One Day is a really nice read isn't it? In fact, I even enjoyed the film, even though I'd read the book first. I still jumped at the "twist" mind!
I've just bought Pigeon English although struggling to read anything at the moment with my mushed up mind... . I'm hoping to get back to normal again soon as I really want to read it! The weather's bad here too, it snowed when we left playgroup... And no, Jack isn't at pre school or anything. Wish I could afford to send him! He turns three in March so hoping to take advantage of the 15 hours a week (or whatever it is) and put him in a nursery. He doesn't start school until September! He's just so ready to go. I struggle to tear him away when I drop Charlie off
Actually, maybe I should get Jack into trampolining! That'd burn off some energy
Supergiggle Cute name!
Kat Gimme a ping if you fancy Collywobbles on Fri. I can't bare it when there's no one to talk to at that one. Well, there's usually one or two but those 'one or two' bore me senseless (Mean, but oh so true). If you don't go I might head over to see my friend and her little baby twinnies. Saw them today and gave one his feed. They're just so scrummy!
So, I'm going to be chatting to the "other woman" on the phone tonight! <nervous> Decided we need a good Spam bashing session... I'm quite tempted to discuss a bit of revenge.... Any ideas? I'd still love love love to destroy his vinyl collection. It's all in storage until he buys a house though.
Hmmm... Plotting is making me feel much better I'm not normally a revenge type of person, I just don't think he should keep getting away with it. It's for the greater good!
frazzle we'll come on fri morning hon, I want to hear about you revenge plan!!!? What's that all about?
Murray I hope you get the answers you need and you can get back on track I was so sorry to hear about your ordeal I can't imagine the pain
Buddha I think yes to the thrush
marbles hope you're well?
giggle keep those photos coming on fb I love seeing how you're getting on
moomin sorry to hear you've had a tough time, I really hope things start to look up soon
impala my mil is fantastic with I although a bit too needy if a week goes by without seeing her we get 'drop by' visits where she'd call the house from outside to check were in then invite herself in! Was a massive issue for us when we were TTC! My mum on the other hand has her favourite grandchild and as I is a bit 'lively' she watches her from a far
I'll briefly fill in my last year; started TTC in early May then in the 25th was rushed to hospital and in to surgery with suspected ruptured appendix which turned out to be PID. My entire left tube and ovary were seeing puss and had to be cleaned out, I was told that I was most likely only working on one side from then on, but we kept trying, manic charting and obsessing and by an absolute miracle in Sept I got a BFP, more amazingly I was informed the egg had traveled from my damaged side as well! I don't know or care how it happened but we are eternally grateful to whatever force made our dream come true and I cherish every day I wake up pg I know how lucky I am and will not be tempting ectopic etc again by trying for a DC3 I'm more than happy witty my Lott.
Wowee Kat what a traumatic start but so pleased for you that it all worked out and you are happily getting nice and fat (in the best possible way of course !)
frazzle you make me laugh with your crazy chat , love that you are taking comfort from plotting revenge !
Well back from appointment and the reason for death was the cord got in a tangle. We were told after delivery that cord had been wrapped around baby but unlikely to be reason for death, but post-mortem has proved otherwise. I have no idea whether cord was wrapped round baby or just tangled round itself and cut off blood supply but to be honest it doesn't make any difference. Net result is that all was ok with baby (which makes it extra sad in a way as I guess if I thought that baby was poorly I could rationalise that it was for the best iykwim). However, on the flip side it means that there is no reason why any future PG should not be absolutely fine . Consultant will do my 20 wk scan next time (and I'm sure there will be a next time - positive thinking !) as well as additional scans at 24, 28 and 32 weeks. He said there is no reason to believe it should happen again but I am slightly more at risk that it could (1% chance). Given that my EMCS was due to E having cord wrapped around his neck he said they'd keep a close eye on me but TBH there was nothing they could have done at such an early stage anyway. If it looks like happening again in future they would consider early delivery after 26 weeks. He said the cord was significantly longer than average. He also said that if AF doesn't appear within 8 weeks to go to GP and they'd run tests - he reckons cycle will return in its own good time but am happy that he didn't just tell me to come back in 6 months (given my inability to be patient !) Also found out that baby was a boy which was a huge relief. I had always thought boy until he died and I then thought girl - crazy mind told me maybe my body couldn't carry a girl. I had already started to worry that if this baby had been a girl and then I went on to have a boy in future I'd always look at girls and wonder what mine would be like... doea that make sense ?... The fact that it was a boy is a relief as I have one already and although it made me sad to think that E would have LOVED a little brother it came as a huge relief to me to know that I won't need to torture myself about the girl I'd missed out on. Don't get me wrong, I'll always be sad about the wee boy I never got to know but somehow it is less painful. No idea if that makes sense !!! Ultimately the whole outcome has been the best possible outcome, although sad too. Thank you all so much for your support, it has meant a lot to me. Now onwards and upwards - Marbles if you could have a wee 'ovulation dream' for me and we can get my cycles back on track and start some serious TTC .
murray oh for your boy (DS2) I am glad you have been given a "good" version of the expected news but all the same. I'm glad it won't affect future chances and il see what I can do about Ov dreams
Gomurray so about what happened to your DS2 Until Nemo's list yesterday I had no idea it had happened so late It's good that you're viewing it as "one of those things", even though that doesn't really make it easier. And at least you'll be closely monitored during your next pregnancy and under consultant care. It sounds as though today was the best possible outcome under the circumstances even though very very Here's hoping your cycles return to normal asap and you can start TTC in earnest And on a totally different subject, I'd definitely recommend reading "One Day" - not a crappy ending at all (althought I still have a few pages still to read so I may be wrong!) there's just a completely unexpected twist towards the end.
Frazzle Is it worth seeing the film then? If you can't concentrate on anything too weighty at the moment I'd recommend "The pile of stuff at the bottom of the stairs" if you haven't already read it. Hilarious! Hope the conversation with the "other woman" went OK tonight, look forward to hearing all about the revenge plans Would definitely recommend getting Jack into trampolining if possible, or gymnastics. We have a great gym club near us which runs toddler gym classes every day, perfect for burning off energy
Kat Sorry to hear about the trauma before your pregnancy, really pleased everything has worked out for you at your mum making it obvious she has a favourite grand-child and not really being involved with I, what is it with mothers??
Supergiggle Love the new name
Hope everyone else is OK and that Nemo in particular enjoyed her spa day
GoMurray I totally get why it was easier to hear that your little one was another boy, it must have been so hard to listen to them telling you what actually happened but I hope it gives you some closure. Good news on the ttc front and very proactive of consultant with the advice about af/ov let's just hope you won't need it and your cycles can get themselves sorted very quickly as we know you have no patience
Kat sorry to hear of the troubles you had last year thank goodness it has a happy ending
Murray glad you are feeling positive about the future but so sad too for your loss I hope you have found some form of closure from knowing more. And fingers crossed for ov soon.
Do you know what this symptom spotting is really quite useless every symptom I have I could have on any day of my cycle! For example yesterday I had a headache, starving hungry and tired all three are early pg symptoms but also can be because I'm stressed at work hungry and tired!!
Oh and if you think I'm becoming obsessed with mn your right its because if I keep posting I can keep up with the thread on my app
Now moomin will tell me off for the wrong your you're
Come on mummyltd stop tweeting and visit the zoo!!
Yes, where is that naughty mummyltd? She's in for a shock when she sees how many posts there are here for her to catch up on!
Murray I'm so glad the appointment went as well as it could and that you'll be given extra appointments next time round. Still so but you'll never forget DS2, he'll always be a part of your lives. Have you made any decisions about naming him? Did you have any sort of funeral in the end or did the hospital take care of things for you? I've been thinking about how long it took for my cycle to come back after we lost DS1 and for some reason I have the figure 45 days (cycle length) in mind. Where does that leave you if yours is similar? I also remember that the first AF was not very pleasant. I found it quite uncomfortable and the cramping brought back v unwelcome memories. Hopefully yours will be fine, but just so you're prepared. Think I took some co-codamol which knocked it on the head. We were on a day trip in the mountains of turkey at the time, had just stopped off to sample some local speciality goat stew (you should have seen DH's face ) so as you can probably imagine, the toilet facilities were not quite all one would have hoped for... could have been a lot worse though.
impala yesterday was fantastic, thanks for asking! Now if I could just do that say once a week month I'm sure I'd be a better person! Full membership is £75 a month, so if any of you have a spare £75 you've been wondering what to do with, just lob it my way and I'll see it's put to good use! Back to reality today with a bump. I have loads of paperwork I can't be arsed need to catch up with and I've been very VERY slack the past few months weeks do really need to get my act together. Not looking too good so far mind, the only thing I've achieved so far today is breakfast and mn! Next stop shower and dog walk, then the sky's the limit!! wish me luck... xx
Ooh fat bird asos order just arrived, yippee for another distraction!
Oh my, I can't possibly catch up with all these posts, so I shall just jump in with what I have managed to scan and hope that I don't put my foot in it and get something horribly wrong
frazzle it is so good to see you back and sorry that you are having a rubbish time of it. The running will help loads - all those endorphins whizzing around.
kat Congratulations what fab news and Nemo A boy! how lovely and even more lovely to hear that all is well, as I popped on just before you had it and saw that you were understandably worried xx
Right, what else do I need to know, someone catch me up QUICK!
I'm fine, very busy. N really keeps me on my toes and E is now shuffling around too, although he really is the easiest baby you could wish for. He is 8mo today, in fact. It's gone so quick.
Just gearing up to get N at a pre-school, starting after Easter, he's going to try the one that is attached to OH's school. It will be 2 mornings a week to begin with, but should give a bit more, much needed time.
I am busy with the blog, trying to build it up a bit and get some paid work from it, no rush but just need to put the work in now. Increasing readers and comments takes a bit of work.
So lovely to have everyone back. I will be back VERY soon
I caved did test this morning wasn't FMU as I was up at 3.30am with E but it was -ve Preseed let me down!!!
Buddha Could it just have been too soon to test? [clutching-at-straws] What month is this? Was there anything special/different about the month E was conceived you could do/not do again? Though I suspect that's a stupid question and something you've already thought about... But you've done it once, you can do it again, you'll be throwing up before you know it, I have every faith xxx
Hey hey.
I'm so cold I can barely type! I'm a bit annoyed actually as I've put about half a stone on recently and it's doing sod all to insulate me. I was embracing it for this very reason but now I'm going to have to give up the chocolate, seeing as it doesn't work Plus I can't justify buying a whole new wardrobe in the next size up...
Murray It sounds like you got the best outcome. I can't ever put myself in your shoes so I've no idea how I'd cope but you are doing amazingly. It certainly puts things into perspective for me and I really admire your strength xx
Nemo Glad your spa day went well! What did you buy from ASOS? I've never bought anything from there. In fact anything I buy off the internet I end up sending back!
Mummy Yay, yer back! I'm also hoping to get Jack into a day nursery from March/April time. Need to take full advantage of the free 15 hours a week. He's been ready to start nursery for about a year and he doesn't start at Charlie's school nursery until Sept . Seems ages away, or it did do a year ago!
I'm going to see a nursery on Monday.
I'm half tempted to write a blog, a few friends have suggested it. Might save me from updating FB every five minutes! I'm not sure what I'd write about though
Buddha oh booooo! That's not good news The thought of having to go through all the disappointment again puts me off ever having anymore children (not to mention my schizophrenic DS2...) I do hope it happens really soon for you!
So I had the most amazing conversation with the "other woman"... We were gassing away for about an hour!
She made me laugh with her revenge plan, sending him a professional looking box of "arty design stuff" to his work but when he opened it, it'd be a box full of poo Cos that'd be quite embarrassing wouldn't it, especially as he's just started with BBC magazines as Art Director <snort>
She's absolutely lovely and totally gets how I'm feeling. In fact, the morning after I felt like a different woman. I didn't get that awful dread feeling I always get. I actually smiled when my alarm went off! Result!
Right, better go, I need a wee and must wake up the kids so we can go and pick up my Jedi knight from school.
Cheerio for now!
Af arrived yesterday and yes I feel all those emotions!!
Aaah Buddha sorry to hear that. How long have you been TTC now, I may have missed this?
Frazzle I have thought in the past that you would be good at writing a blog. Just write about what interests you and be yourself is my advice and do only do it if you enjoy it, otherwise it just becomes a hassle
We are having a lazy afternoon with Toy Story 2 - I haven't heard a peep out of N since it started. E is sleeping (as usual)
Frazzle sounds as if you've met a kindred spirit in the other woman! Love the revenge plan she had but the best bit is that just talking about has cleared your mind a little and made you feel better about life
mummyltd Been ttc about 4/5 months so not long in the big scheme of things it's just in my head if I don't have a baby this year I'll be too old! Times a ticking
Have you all got snow? We had a little which stuck and now it's stopped falling so I'm sure it'll just be slush soon
evening ladies
i have had the whole night free of DH and DD snuggling on the couch with a DVD and dominos pizza (and the dog) its been blissful DH is back home now from the pub so my peace has gone away haha
i tested and got BFN albeit not FMU but it would be a BFP by now either way...i have a GP appointment on thursday to discuss things and thats lucky as i seem to have hurt my shoulder and cant lift my arm properly i suspect its lupus related but my mum said it sounds similar to something my dad had at around my age. He had a calcified shoulder and had to have it surgically released!! im hoping its not that but hey ho...given my health luck its gonna be more than nothing
buddha sorry AF came to call my next AF should be due around the 14th ish and i feel like, if only just to draw a line under this whole thing, i would be ok with that. i really hope this is your last month TTC and you get your BFP il be here to hold your hand and also if you want to talk about it you have my number
hope everyone is enjoying the weekend (and the snow for those who have it-we dont)
marbles that sounded like a delicious evening good luck for thursday in advance you are so overdue some luck my lovely seems to be one thing after another you really need some conclusive answers so you know exactly where you stand as you can't keep on like this it will drive you crazy
If its any consolation our snow is melting now. I know what would cheer us up what about bringing one of your scrummy cakes I see on fb in for us all to eat. Virtual calories are good for us
Evening ladies,
Buddha so sorry to hear BFN . Hope you are coming to the end of AF and looking forward to the fun bit soon .
frazzle thank you so much for your kind words - much appreciated.
MummyLtd we love Toy Story in this house too
Sorry laptop keyboard has started playing up mid post apologies for lack of punctuation for rest of post
marbles i second that you are way overdue some good luck mi dear really hope dr can help with shoulder as well as ttc issues
no news from me still no sign of flipping ov arrghhhh ! body still trying but failing it is doing my head in almost as much as this keyboard
will call back when i have a better machine at my disposal at work xx
hi ladies
i just thought i would ask if anyone has any insight into WTF is going on inside my body? no? me neither! i ask because i went the loo before and i am spotting again!! light pinky peachy colour...heavy enough to need a pad i am around CD22 since the CP and i NEVER have mid cycle spotting even with the other MCs its always been finish bleeding and move onto next cycle....im quite con fused by it all and i called the GP who is going to call me back for some advice...any other suggestions? shall i just give up trying to guess its next move(my uterus)? im getting utterly utterly peed off with it all now
marbles oh you poor love , you are having such a rubbish time of it. Has GP called you back yet ? There is little point trying to guess what is going on as guessing is all that it would be. I reckon that with all of these strange goings-on you are surely going to get fully investigated - scans, bloods etc... to find out what is happening and put your mind at rest while helping to sort out whatever the issue is. Feel free to offload any time mrs, you know we are here to listen, even when we have little concrete advice to offer. My heart goes out to you xx
nemo I forgot to thank you for your words of wisdon on 1st post-MC AF. Am dreading it but also willing it to happen. Had a bit of a meltdown this morning. I had convinced myself that temp was going to rise this morning so was absolutely gutted when it remained low - poor DP was woken by me in floods of tears. Such a shitty start to the week, esp when I have to come to work and see everyone else's massive bumps which just remind me of what I have lost and my stupid body won't even give me a chance of growing a new bump
thanks murray
the GP called back and wants me to go in and see him at 3:50 as he thinks it may be a threatened ectopic and seemed quite concerned about it all...i thought he was going to ask me to wait until the next time AF turns up/doesnt arrive and go in then...im a bit worried now bloody norah!
Right firstly big hugs to marbles and murray
marbles Good to know that gp is taking this seriously, goodness what a pickle your body seems to be in lately I really hope that you get a referral out of this if nothing else. Let us know how you get I and good luck x
murray It must be so hard seeing those bumps day in day out do you think you are putting the pressure on yourself to be pg before due date too? Your hormones are probably still confused, didn't your gp/consultant say they'd do something if af/ov didn't happen soon? Can't go back and check your post on this ap
buddha I'm surprised actually as the same GP has been very poo in the past! I'm sat in the waiting room now and it turns out my appt is at 4:10 so I'm a bit early...
evening ladies
i went to the GP and it looks like i am either still MC retained products etc or MC again(not likely as you have to have sex to get preg last time i checked) the Dr examined me and my cervix is open suggesting a continued MC i suspect that the spotting was the 'baby' part and this is everything else maybe? either way my 'cycle' has been the epitome of a WTF cycle in every way and starting from today and i have told my womb that this doesnt happen again and i am going to start some vitamins tomorrow called B100 that have been recommended by other MNers as helpful for recurrent MC. any other suggestions would be welcommed with open arms as i appear to be totally inept at avoiding Mc
Oh Marbles that's completely shit for you is there nothing they can do medically? Have you ever tried acupuncture? Some MNers say that's good? Do you do baby aspirin too? I'm a bit stuck for advice otherwise but I can hold hands and give really good hair strokes too
Oh Marbles and Murray I'm so sorry things are so crap for you both...
Marbles did the gp suggest actually DOING anything or are they just saying its down to the lupus and nothing they can do? Friends of ours got an nhs referral to Lesley Regan at St Mary's in Paddington, I know it's a LONG way from you though... The other place I've heard talked about a lot is the Liverpool Women's Hospital, or is that where you go already? Have you read Lesley Regan's book on mc btw? I found it v helpful. Actually might not be a bad idea for you too Murray, I bought a used one on amazon, think it was only a couple of pence plus p&p....
Murray I've already said I don't know how you're managing with the bumps at work, I really did not cope with pregnant women AT ALL after we lost T. It's funny what other people can go through without you knowing though. When I was pregnant with DD we went to see a solicitor DH knows, to do our wills. I had no idea at the time, but turns out she and her husband were going through ivf at the time. No way would you have realised there was any issue during the appt, she seemed fine, professional, chatty etc, but DH had lunch with her a week or so ago and she told him she was so upset at seeing me pregnant that she had to take the rest of the day off She now has a baby, just back from mat leave (Though she nearly died during labour so can't have any more )
Am rambling now, sorry...
How long is your cycle normally? I'd say wait til you've effectively missed 2 periods then get in touch with your consultant and ask for a scan so they can have a look what's going on... Can you bear to wait that long? How many days is it since the mc now?
I second Buddha's comments about acupuncture. Think it could really help both of you, both emotionally and physically. And Murray it can def be good at luck starting things when you're waiting for af... Just a thought...
Lots of love to you both xxxx
Big hugs to Marbles and Murray, what a horrible day for you both yesterday Glad the GP took you seriously Marbles but that nothing concrete is happening, so frustrating. Can't offer much advice but I would also recommend acupuncture, I had it after my mc and if nothing else it felt as though I was actively doing something to help my body get and then stay pg. I had it throughout my pg with E and it really helped. Murray at all the bumps around you. That must be so hard. After my mc I just couldn't bear to be around pg women either (and my best friend was pg at the time, due just two months before I would have been ). I have a copy of Lesley Regan's book which I no longer need, if you email me your address via FB I can post it to you. Acupuncture helps to balance everything so it should help to restore your cycles. Try to find someone who has experience of dealing with pg issues if possible.
Hope everyone else is OK apart from being a bit bleary-eyed (seen the posts on FB!) we've been having great fun in the snow over the past couple of days. Shame it's melting now
Have a good day all x
Impala thank you so much for the offer of the book, I will pass you adress via FB
Buddha you were right that I am def putting pressure on myself to be PG by EDD - I just don't know how I will cope with April if not PG or at least in with a chance. I know deep down that it would be better to relax and just let nature take its course and what will be will be etc... sadly being chilled and patient is not in my repertoire !
Am way happier than yesterday although started the day quite tearful - things have improved as v busy at work so kept my mind off lack of ov.
Marbles how are you my dear ? If I were you I'd definitely have a good read of the link below and gen up on the best foods to eat/avoid to help prevent MC. At least this way you know that you are doing everything in your power to prevent MC. There are also snippets of research related to TTC and I also recall reference to lupus - so def worth a look. Taking positive action will definitely make you feel better as at least you can feel a tiny bit in control xx
https://sites.google.com/site/miscarriageresearch/vitamins-and-miscarriage/vitamin-d
How are you other lovely ladies ?
hi ladies
thanks so much for the well wishes and support you lot are wonderful <sob>
very heavy bleeding today so hopefully things will clear out quite quickly and DH and i can get down to business very soon i have started the B100 complex today and i am going to have a look at the link you have posted murray (thankyou for posting the link esp as you are having a much harder time of it than me {{{hugs}}})
how is everyone else?
hi
anyone about? im stuck in work and want to go home
its the EDD for the MC i had in july2010 today feeling a bit sad that i would have had an almost 1 year old now if all had panned out
ahh well such is life...
Afternoon
murray I read the link and reported it on the mosh pit thread too as it was rather interesting! I have bought D3 and started it last night and I have been taking B100 for a few days thank you so much for the link. I really appreciate it how have you been getting on? I feel like I have been wallowing in mememe land and have totally neglected everyone else I'm in PMA land now so I will be a better zoo pal I promise
Hello animals Not much to report but thought I'd touch base.
Marbles for EDD. I've not been through it nearly as many times as you but I'm incredibly squeamish about working out EDD for that exact reason. Didn't find out what it was this time til 12 week scan, and only cos they put it on my notes, would rather not have known even then... Not that that will be much comfort to you now Hope the bleeding is easing off now? xx
Murray at spa! Honestly believe days like that are good for the soul so am glad you enjoyed it. You certainly deserved it after everything you've been through. Have you thought any more about acupuncture? Really think it could help, not only with emotional support but with getting your cycle back on track. Second Impala's comments about finding someone with experience treating pg/mc.
So nice of you to ask about bump, am sure it's the last thing you want to hear about really. Suffice it to say, am getting FAT (cake not bump) and think an finally feeling movement, though not loads. Saw MW on thurs, all seemed fine.
Impala have you still got snow? We've had none here! It got pretty close to us, I was in Winchester this morning (for an acupuncture appt funnily enough - which has totally wiped me out, but in a good way, am sooo sleepy) and there was still snow on the ground there. Bet DD loved it!
Can I get your opinions on something please ladies? Can't remember if I've mentioned it already but am quite anxious about how big this baby will be... DD was 8lb 9oz, boys are generally bigger than girls and 2nd babies are generally bigger than first... so I'm thinking about 1.5 stone?!? I had a 3rd degree tear with DD, so gawd knows what state I'd be in after a 10lb baby. Am also quite worried about the shoulder thingie that the baby on OBEM had this week, basically the head gets out but the shoulders get stuck. Can be VERY bad news. It wasn't OBEM that made me worry about it, I was worried already! I mentioned to my doula that I was concerned about the size of the baby and her main suggestion was to cut right down on carbs (prob my main food group atm) and eat more fat and protein. I wanted to know what you thought about that? I think I'm basically not going to do it... It would be completely foreign to the way I eat, I'd find it easier to go veggie than eat loads of fat and protein. I mentioned it to the lady I see for acupuncture and she asked about my blood group. I'm an A, which she said could be why I struggle with too much protein/fat. I ordered the blood group diet book on amazon (for 1p plus p&p!) which is pretty interesting and basically says the same thing. But after all that I'm still worried about having a 10lb baby who gets stuck and/or rips me to shreds.... I hope you don't mind me posting about this on here, given what everyone else is going through I'm not on any other threads atm, gave up on the June thread as it's SO enormous. Anyways, any advice/words of wisdom would be much appreciated, even if it's just to tell me to shut up and stop worrying about things I can do nothing about!
xx
Hi Nemo lovely to see you back. OMG you poor thing worrying about the birth after you had a 3rd degree tear last time - eeek !
I saw OBEM and had my heart in my mouth - it was dreadful - especially the expressions on one of MW's face ! It was so obvious she thought the baby had no chance . Anyway, having watched that I fully understand why you are so concerned about similar happening - I assume the arm getting stuck is more common in larger babies ?
As for the diet thing, could you cut down on carbs and introduce some extra non-meat protein into your diet ? I don't know much about it but surely worth a try to avoid huge baby. Is there a case for CS, or would you rather avoid that ? I really don't know what else to suggest - hugs xx
oh and yes am off to investigate acupuncture - thanks xx
<Wails> Where IS everyone?!?!??!?!?!
Wanted to come on and moan about my bloody awful valentines day . Am sure my next husband will be less of a tosser better at it.....
Hope everyone is ok xx
Sorry for being AWOL E has been poorly and I've been poorly since Friday went to gp Monday she said virus but ended up in hospital at 2am unable to breathe due to pain in side. After lots of tests X-rays etc decided its a nasty chest infection, had anti sickness drugs, saline as dehydrated (throwing up non stop for 3 days) and anti-b's by drip was able to come home this morning feeling a bit sorry for myself so come on Nemo tell me about your not so "d" h make me
Marbles how are you doing my lovely? Sorry about your edd anniversary especially as you've just had another mc it brings it all home.
murray how's the obsessive regular temping going? Any ov signs yet? I'm gutted as ov due anytime so will miss out this month I'm impatient too!
nemo I'm not surprised you are worrying about birth after "that" plus size of baby have you made a decision about food/diet yet?
Hope everyone else is ok?
blardy norah buddha how awful!! glad they have let you home now and you are on the mend <<<<hugs>>>>
nemo i would maybe ask for growth scans etc on the basis of the 3d tear. its pretty much the only thing i worry about re:birthing in the future as i had a 2d tear and DD was 8lb 12oz. apparantly rubbing baby oil/bio oil/vaseline on the scar tissue/pereneum can help avoid a tear during crowning so maybe get going with that (or ask DH to do it in punishment for the Vday disaster you hint to though if hes anything like my DH he would jump at the chance)
murray how are you feeling lovely? did you start temping/TTC? (need to read back in a sec as my brain is seive-like)
where has everyone else disappeared to?
DH and i are at it like the proverbial bunny... the vitamins seem to be doing the trick as i am on CD10 and have had EWCM already so with any luck i may have a more "normal" cycle and we may catch the egg...i am officially back in the TTC saddle
oh there you are murray so AF is still AWOL? your consultant said he would help did he not? i seem to remember frazzle had to take something or other to bring AF on when she was TTC J from the GP(?) i know its not the same situation but maybe it could be the same medication? hope she arrives soon...
Helllooo ladies - where are you all ?...
Marbles how is TTC going this month, are you at the fun part ?
MummyLtd how did appt with priest go ? Do you have a date for baptism ?
frazzle well done on half marathon - am very impressed !
nemo how are you feeling missus ?
Moomin long time not chat - what is the latest with you ?
well... drum roll please....... my temperature rose for 3 consecutive days so I have offically ovulated - whoopppeeeee ! What a relief to finally get back to normal . I still plan to go to acupuncture to keep things on track as I believe first few cycles can be a bit hit or miss after MC. So, in a few weeks I'll be joining you ladies on the TTC rollercoaster ! Huurrraaayyyyyyyyy!
hi
murray thats fab news about the Ov!! how are you feeling?
hi everyone else!
DH and i have been having ALOT of SWI time! in fact i am on CD15 now and i have sexed up DH 8 days out of 10 we are planning to continue until at least the weekend too so i will be rather in need of a lie in on sunday the D3 and b100 seem to be making a difference too as i have had rather more EWCM than usual and also had Ov pains (i think) on saturday! im not temping so SWI is continuing until i am past my latest Ov date (CD22) but if i did Ov sat that would make AF due around CD25 ish...only time will tell!
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<sheepishly enters>
Sorry. I've been shit, quite frankly. Been a bit self absorbed lately and properly down in the dumps, although don't really feel justified when there are people with real problems.
Still... I came back!
Marbles Man you've been through the mill with TTC and I'm so sorry you've had to go through so much shit with it all. Lupus? Is this a recent diagnoses? I don't remember you talking about it before? I've no idea what it is <googles>
Murray Huzzah for an egg release! Must be a weight off your shoulders? Acupuncture sounds like a plan. I've never had it but I've always been interested and would definitely do it if I knew it would help.
Nemo Book in for a roof top birth! Seriously though, I'm not sure there's owt you can do is there? Some people just have bigguns. You're quite tall aren't you? Is DH tall too? FWIW C was 9lb 12 (12 days late but still...) and J was 8lb 5 (three days early). But then I had sections.... C did get stuck trying to come out ear first!
Don't start cutting things out of your diet. You'll be miserable!
I'm still high from the race on Sunday. It was such an amazing experience. They always are. I got through it in 1hr 48 minutes but my time was re-adjusted as the race was half a mile too long so I actually got through it in 1hr 45 mins! A whole 12 minutes shaven off my PB V happy.
Although I did a silly thing and emailed Spam that evening. We are both obsessed about running and always really support eachother on races and training. Not having him around was really hard. I just said I'd been thinking lots and valued our friendship when none of the other shit was going on, that I missed having his support and that he'd have really enjoyed the race. I said it'd be nice if we could do Cardiff and Bristol together seeing as we're both signed up for it. Then saying I hope we can patch things up for friendship's sake.... That was Sunday night and I've not heard back
I'm such a loser.
Hope you're all having a good week. I'm trying to distract myself as I've been eating a disgusting amount of chocolate and sweets over the past few weeks. I've spiralled out of control and can't seem to get back to normal again. Just craving utter shit. I'm sure I'm going to give myself Diabetes eating too much sugar (is that possible?)
I've started today cutting down on portion size and avoiding sugar as much as possible. If it wasn't for the junk in between meals I actually eat very healthily but I have too much of it. Always porridge for breaky but I'm not satisfied unless I have a tonne of it! Lunch is half a carton of fresh soup and two slices of rye toast but I'm always on the look out for something else and this goes on all afternoon. I think it's boredom. Must keep busy busy busy!
FRAZZLE!! <<gives frazzle a big hug>> nice to see you
FWIW you are NOT a loser!! hes the loser!! extending the hand of friendship was a very decent thing given how he has treated you. He is a moron for not answering you and (you already know this) you are better off without morons in your life my sister and i are coming to london for the weekend in july i think so i may have to make to trip to thw SW area for a coffee (S may be coming as we are going to the harry potter exhibit so we could meet and take C&J? theres AAAAGGGEEEESSSS before then ATM though so we will see
Murray Fantastic news that you have finally ov'd and without any help just your clever body I think it would be a good idea to still do the accupuncture at least it will ensure everything stays on track and relax you a little
Nemo You never came back to fill us in
Marbles It's great to have another ttc buddy sounds as if your right on track this month, can you remind me what vitamins you are taking?
Mummyltd How did it go with the scary priest
Frazzle Congratulations on your improved PB well done you! Have you heard anything back from spam yet? Your contact was made with the right intentions but I'm sure he doesn't deserve it. It's so hard to forget/ignore them these "men" have a way of weedling into your head and not shifting! Sounds as if chocolate and sugary stuff has been your distraction, all sounds so familiar! Take it easy on yourself you've been through a lot
Well I'm finally starting to feel a little more human but absolutely gutted that we missed the egg this month Being so poorly has really made me rethink the whole ttc/pg thing as I'm so worried about being sick sick sick again and then not being a very good mum to Ewan I know it's only temporarly but having thrown up for 4 days constantly I so don't want to jump into that again. I know someone will say every pg is different but in all 4 pg's that I've had I've been sick as a dog! God that sounds so selfish!
hey buddha<<squashy hug>> lovely to see you back xx are you feeling better?
WRT the TTC doubts i have had these wobbles and took some time out from TTC after the MCs each time (except this time) i was scared i would be neglecting DDs needs by being so ill etc but the ill you are in preg is different than how ill you would be with an illness IYSWIM so unless hyperemesis and hospitalisation is a possibility i doubt E would feel neglected. it is an entirely personal choice and only you know how you feel about it xx we decided to power on as the urge to procreate is stronger than any fears i have or have had so sadly i will probably be TTC forever i hope you are ok and are taking care of yourself
marbles thanks for your words of wisdom I think I've lost my broodiness I hope its just temporary but with E being crap with sleep again me being poorly I just feel a bit low. Kick me up the arse and I'm sure I'll be fine
It'll be worth the sickness Buddha I'm sure!
I can't imagine having any more. I get broody now and again but J is such hard work. Another one like him would finish me off!
Just back from a run and knackered but craving naughty sweet stuff again. Need to knock it on the head big time.
I had my jabs this morning for my holibobs in April. I was all brave and everything! Now my arms feel like they've been battered. Will this pain ever go away?! Jeeez. Still, it's soooo worth it. 10 whole nights sans enfants. Just me and my mate Jealous much?
Hello
Sorry, I've been awol too recently, I don't know where the time goes sometimes.
Murray Glad the book arrived safely and hope you're finding it helpful. So pleased things are getting back on track with ov, that is great news I would definitely have acupuncture anyway just to help things along and support a new pg. As for the needles, they are nothing like the medical needles used for injections etc. They're so fine you honestly barely feel them going in and once they're in you don't feel them at all.
Frazzle Well done you with your new PB, what a great feeling Sorry you've not heard back from Spam, but you did the decent thing in trying to stay friends and if he's not prepared to meet you half-way then you're better off without him in your life, in any guise. It's very hard though, especially when you share a common interest and if you know you might bump into him at races etc. Not jealous at all of your 10 days away sans enfants
Buddha So sorry you've been so ill, sounds horrendous When you feel run-down and exhausted then you're bound to focus on all the negatives of being pg/having a new baby. Lack of sleep is a real killer, I shoud know Give it a few days and you'll be feeling more positive. If you really are having a wobble then maybe take some time out from ttc as Marbles suggested and really think about what you want. It's such a personal decision and even once you've made it you'll still have "what if" moments. I know I do about having DC2. I know in my heart of hearts that I don't want another, but I do occasionally think about it and wonder and probably always will.
However, any lingering thoughts of DC2 I might have at times are quickly dismissed since I'm having a bit of a nightmare with E at the moment. I'm finding it bad enough dealing with one, never mind two! We're having strops, full-blown tantrums, defiance, not listening... the list goes on and it's doing my head in! She'll refuse to obey a simple request (such as put her coat on to go out) and then it all goes into meltdown and nothing is then right - she doesn't want to put her coat on but doesn't want to go out without it either. I've tried all the obvious tricks but it's doing my head in, especially by the end of the day. DH and I are pretty relaxed with her and don't have many rules, she's pretty free to do as she pleases, but there are some non-negotiables, such as cleaning teeth or getting ready for bed for example and I'm getting fed up with the battles. It's not just at home either, she's doing it at nursery too. Yesterday she didn't get her morning good behaviour star there as apparently she refused to wash her hands before lunch when asked and ended up throwing herself on the floor screaming. So she didn't get a sticker at the end of the day. Not that she was that bothered! I've started telling her that she has three books before bed and if she acts up during the day they will be taken away. I give her ample warning of this but to no avail. Yesterday she was down to 2 books by bed-time (after the incident at nursery) and today she had none after kicking off at swimming, then in the supermarket and then round at my mum's. She loves her books at bed-time and gets upset if she loses even one book but doesn't seem to make the link between her behaviour and the fact that she's going to lose a book. We do read together during the day btw, it's not as though bed-time is the only time we sit down to read, but it's the only thing that seems to work. Time out doesn't work with her, she refuses to stay in the corner and just laughs. And if, for example, I say "If you don't put your coat on then we're not going out" then she's quite happy to stay at home. And this doesn't work if I actually need to get her out of the house for nursery or something. For really bad behaviour (such as spitting which she's also started doing after picking it up from nursery) she immediately gets sent to her room, but I don't want to use that punishment too often and I also don't want her having negative associations with her room as we have enough trouble with her sleeping as it is! Any suggestions, I'm fed up with this! I know it's probably just a phase but it's wearing me down at the moment and I spend my day just dreading the next battle
On a brighter note, I've decided that I want to celebrate my 40th in Paris so DH, DD and I will be heading there at the end of June How about you Buddha, any plans for yours? When is it exactly?
Hope everyone else is OK.
PS. Nemo Do fill us in on Valentine's Day, we're desperate to hear all about it!
Impala we too are having some downright horrible behaviour along with the spitting too <shudder> time out for E doesn't have much effect so we've been putting toys on time out specifically those he's playing with before he has a meltdown and that seems to be working for us. It's horrible when they are having 'episodes' and I hover over him when we go anywhere waiting for something to happen which makes him worse but I can't seem to stop it No plans for my 40th we're going away the week before I'm kinda hoping to be pg so I can hide away
evening ladies
impala lovely to see you m'dear sounds like E is really testing her boundaries with you!! S has phases like this and the thing that has worked up until now is taking away priviledges. For S it is TV, swimming, her favourite doll and her ipod ATM. The things that can be, are put ontop of the tall wardrobe in my bedroom where she cant get them and she goes straight to bed and to sleep, no negotiation. She also has to apologise and mean it (no attitude in the apology) and she has to earn her things back with good girl points (sticker chart to begin with, now its more time she has been "good" IYSWIM)
She has also had the "not wearing a coat" thing, i decided to pick my battles as if she is cold she will learn to wear her coat. I just take a fold away jacket with me when we are out so she wont stay cold It is mainly attitude and getting dressed for school that is our battle now but her HT is having words as i have informed the school of this as she is late a few days a week (a few minutes but still late) They have asked recently why she is late and I told them in front of her! She is 6 now so needs to learn it isnt acceptable.
i hope somewhere in that mammoth ramble i have made some suggestions that may be of some help
Im spending my 30th in paris with my sister in may you have family in paris do you not? we are going for the sights (and child-free girls break)
buddha sorry E has been playing up too! kids eh!! sounds like you are doing similar to what we are as we didnt really get very far with naughty step etc either! S just gets up and messes around like its a game or sobs like im murdering her we havent done time out for S for AGES for that reason and i think she getting a bit old for it now too! hope you are feeling better xx
hi to everyone else
Hello ladies so sorry I've been away for so long. I've been thinking about you lots (and feeling guilty for my absence...) Unfortunately this isn't a proper catch up as I have LOADS of work I need to (and prob won't) do today and I'm still in bed! been awake off and on since 4.30 so was really hoping to catch up on some much needed sleep, but apparently not. Sigh. DD was up at 4.30 as we (stupidly) managed to leave the only toy she really cares about (apart from baby) in Kent with the friends we were staying with this weekend.., it's a blanket my sister gave her when she was first born and she needs/wants it for bedtime and naps. Idiot parents. She's been waking early a LOT lately so I've succumbed in desperation and have a kidsleep clock on order from jojo as I had a 15% discount code. Have any of you tried then? It the gro clocks?
I'm sorry for the me me me post, I promise to come back tonight to try to catch up with everyone properly. Have loved hearing everyone's news, even though it's not all positive... But Murray whoop whoop for ov!!
Ps REALLY need some boys name suggestions if you can bear to turn your minds to it... Current front runners are Jude and (hopefully Mummy won't mind) Noah, but not totally sure about either. Have 3 months to go so no rush, but it's praying on my mind - you know his I love to have something to worry about! Oh, and speaking of which, saw consultant last week to check cervix length again, is still ok but had shortened 10mm since last check 4 weeks before so I have to go back in a fortnight.... Am so crap at being pregnant, it's just one thing after another... But please don't think I don't know how lucky we are, am not really moaning (promise) just venting. Right. That's enough about ME. Will be back for a less selfish post later xxxx
Frazzle thanks for the list, I think you and I have quite similar taste! Sorry to hear about the email situation, fwiw it sounds like EXACTLY the sort of thing I would have done (and probably regretted...) but it's so hard once they're in your head, and it must have been especially tough when it related to something you used to do together.... But, on a more positive note, bloomin well done on your new pb!! That's FANTASTIC! You should be very proud of yourself madam. And re an earlier post, I think you'd make a fab blogger too How are your arms now?
Impala sorry to hear you're having such a tough time with E. I think the only piece of advice I can give is "this too shall pass". T hasn't ever really got on well with the naughty step/corner either, we used it for a bit but pretty quickly she'd run over to it by herself, laughing, when she'd done something naughty. Little cow. Good luck, I hope it's not too stressful....
Marbles glad to hear about all the SWI, and the trip to Paris, that sounds AMAZING!!!! Thalia has the same 'not wearing her coat' thing, these days I figure if she's cold she's cold, she's not likely to get hypothermia. Or at least I hope not! I keep remembering the Toddler Taming book, about picking your battles, it's just a shame that sometimes there are so many to choose from!
Buddha I can totally understand your thoughts about ttc having been so ill. It was nothing compared to what you've been through but I picked up a bit of a bug while we were on holiday and felt v sick, and just couldn't imagine feeling that way day in day out and having to cope with DD. But in the event, although I felt sick pretty much from 5.5 weeks to 20 weeks, I really don't think DD even noticed the difference. She just watched rather more Peppa Pig than I would like, although still significantly less than she would have liked!
Just been told by my laptop that it's almost out of juice, so will post this and come back once I have a charger....
Hello ladies,
Sorry for not coming back to thank Frazzle, Marbles and Buddha for your helpful suggestions re E's behaviour last week, you had some good ideas. I've thought about the sticker chart but I'm a bit loathe to reward her for what I consider ought to be normal behaviour IYSWIM. Or am I being too harsh? (must be the French side in me ) Frazzle I don't know how you cope with J being like this all the time, it would drive me nuts. Marbles we may try confiscating toys if the threat not to read stories wears off. DH has threatened to put toys in the bin before now and that does tend to work quite well Hope the HT's words had some effect on S and you have less of a battle on your hands in the morning. One of my friends has a 9 year-old DD and she says it's a nightmare getting her off to school. Can't wait! Fortunately E was much better over the weekend thank goodness, I think lots of time spent playing with Daddy helped. I think she's going into a Daddy phase which is great for me, so far she's always clung to me but I might get a bit of breathing space at last! DH is happy too after too many months of "not want you, want mummy" Today she was fine at nursery. She played up in the supermarket after I picked her up as she really didn't want to go, but she was tired by then. And <bad mummy alert>, she's had a sore toe since Friday. I thought it was her shoes getting too small as it's on her largest foot and that they'd really rubbed when we spent 3 hours walking around the zoo on Friday afternoon. No, it turns out it's an infected toenail So after getting the pharmacist to check her over and him asking me how long she'd had it for and looking askance at me when I said since Friday , we then had to go to the walk-in centre this evening to get ABs for her, poor thing. So we I now have the joy of trying to get those down her 4 times a day. Honestly, it's one thing after another - last weekend she had an unexplained temperature which didn't turn into anything, this week it's an infected toenail... It's just one thing after another at the moment!
Marbles Ooh, Paris for your 30th too, great minds think alike! Where are you staying? We're looking at renting an apartment as it works out cheaper than a hotel and as we'll have E it's a bit more flexible. We went to Rome last new year (2010/11) and rented an apartment there and it worked really well. Looking at apartments on the Left Bank at the moment. Sadly my family doesn't live in Paris anymore although we do have friends in the suburbs.
Buddha Fingers crossed you get pg before your 40th, the week away sounds lovely. Part of me does want to hide away and forget it's happening (which is why I don't want a big party!) but on the other hand I wanted to do something a bit special.
Nemo Lovely to see you, although it sounds as though you're having a bit of a stressful time what with work, forgetting DD's blanket and her waking early. E went through a phase of that last year and it was a killer (and I wasn't pg!) I would end up just sticking a DVD on for her and trying to shut my eyes but it didn't always work. Haven't tried a Gro clock yet as E invariably wakes most nights so I end up sleeping next to her. But friends who have them say they're great. Sorry to hear about your pg worries but it sounds as though you're being closely monitored which is good.
Right, boy's names... I like Jude and Noah and also all of Frazzle's suggestions, Samuel, Thomas and Benjamin in particular. I also like Oscar, Alfie, Alexander (Alex) and Jack. Although we knew E was a girl very early on (at 12 week scan and then confirmed by 4D scan at 24 weeks), we also had Aaron as a back-up until we were 100% sure, i.e. when she was actually born!
Hope everyone else is OK!
X-posted with Nemo! Yes, "this too shall pass" has been my mantra recently, but when?? Hopefully not too much longer... Is it a girl thing with the naughty step? I have friends with boys who sit where they're told without any problems We had to physically stop E from running away from the corner when we tried that as a punishment so we stopped as it seemed pointless. I have caught her sending her toys to the corner though, so funny! She's also pretty good at imitating me saying "ça suffit!" (that's enough!) too
Am back
Have just had to remove my (mat) jeans as they were trying to kill me..... Am SO fat! I blew up like a balloon with DD as well, so at least I know I can lose it again, but JEEZ! It's my own fault for being a greedy cow, but surely a girl has got to have some pleasures in life?!? But honestly, my legs and arse are revolting, and I literally have cellulite down to my KNEES. I know I shouldn't be outgrowing mat clothes with over 3 months to go, and yet I don't seem to have either the will power or the energy to do anything about it....
aaarggh! Just had a text from the woman we stayed with this weekend about T's blanket, was REALLY hoping she'd posted it today and it's be here tomorrow, but she's just said she's hoping to get to the post office tomorrow, or if not definitely WEDNESDAY!!! WTF?!?!?! Is that really over the top of me to have hoped that once she knew how much it meant to DD she would have gone to the post officer today?!?!? I know it's our fault for forgetting it in the first place, but given the fact that she has 2 kids I thought she'd understand how important it was.... Bugger.
Anyways, the Valentines day disaster by the way, really wasn't all that dramatic, although I was bloody angry about it for a fair while afterwards. DH was meant to be going up to london to see his ex-boss for lunch. It was vaguely work related but mainly just a jolly, which was fair enough cos he's been working bloody hard. We don't bother with valentines day much, but after he missed my 20week scan I was feeling a bit taken for granted etc so a card would have been nice... I mentioned to him that I'd heard rumours that they had shops in London, that sold nice things but FFS there's a M&S at Waterloo come to that.... I was meant to collect him late afternooon with DD who was SUPER excitied about collecting daddy from the choo choo train. But.... He got so drunk he a) left the v nice (and not cheap) brief case I gave him christmas 2010 in a bar, containing his brand new laptop b) he didn't get back til gone 8pm so I had to ask a friend to come in to watch DD (who was asleep by then) so I could collect him from the station c) he was so drunk he couldn't work out which train he was on. His phone was running out of juice so he was just using texts, and he kept texting me details of which train he was on, none of which existed according to the internet and d) when I did finally collect him he had not so much as a bunch of tulips. Not so much as a card. e) in the car on the way home, he asked what the friend who had some to watch T was doing for the rest of the evening, when I told him he said "I'm sorry it hasn't worked out that way for us" - I'll let you imagine the reaction he got to that one! Suffice it to say, I slept in the spare room that night! I don't really care about valentines day normally, I just felt totally taken for granted and unappreciated, and I'm still waiting for him to do something to make up for it Good luck with that one!!
We're starting potty training tomorrow.... Really not sure DD's ready, though she's pretty bright so I would have thought she would be. Ordered some pants and a potty for her baby on amazon this morning, and dolly's nappies have all been packed away, we'll be a nappy free zone before you can say 'wet patch'. Or maybe not.... Wish me luck please ladies!!
hi nemo lovely to see you lovey il have a think of fave boy names and get back to you
hope every one is doing well
so news from me...not TTC related though i get made redundant in april (cant remember whether i have told you guys this info) and i have been applying for loads of jobs etc. well i was told i have a job and then last week they emailed me to say they had a recruitment freeze and rescinded my offer anywho...i had a call from them today sayiong they have lifted the freeze and want me to start on monday moore money, better hours and easier job good eh!!
ooo x-posted with impala
we are stying in district 8 in paris i think...my sister bhas booked most of it as shes paying removing of toys/priviledges really does work for S so maybe try that.
nemo at your DH! have you told him how he has made you feel? FWIW i would be furious too and im clearly not preggers so not hormonal etc! i am a little on your behalf...
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impala I feel for you with your toddler trials. E turned into a textbook 2 year old a few weeks after his 2nd birthday but has been way better more recently so hopefully you will have light at the end of your 'toddler tunnel' soon too. He responded well to the naughty corner but it is useless now as he just cheekily sits in it by his own request and then fake cries - arrghhh !
Marbles does that mean you get redundancy money as well as a new a better job ?! What a stroke of luck ! Hopefully some BFP luck coming your way soon too
Buddha where are you in your cycle, are you feeling more up to TTC now ? Maybe we'll be TTC buddies
Nemo Grr at DH and his drunkeness, sounds just like the kind of thing my DP would do - so bloody annoying .
Love the boys names that have been mentioned, esp Jude (top 5 for me). I also like Finlay (Finn), Fraser, Ewan, Lewis, Arran - all very Scottish which is ironic as we ended up picking a Welsh name for E !
Clocks - we have Onaroo which is the best £40 I have ever spent - seriously fantastic ! E waits religiously until the clock turns green before he gets up - plus I set it a bit later at the weekend which is bliss ! I found that he was waking during the night and unsure whether it was morning as it was dark (and also dark at 7am when he gets up) so the clock allows him to know when it is morning - joy !
Potty training - what an 'interesting' stage that is ! My only advice is not to give up if there are lots of accidents initially - I think my expectations were too high at the outset. The first few days were more of a miss than a hit and I was beginning to think he was too young and not ready then all of a sudden we had more hits than misses and within a week he was pretty much dry (and clean !) I believe that they have to have the accidents to help them fully understand the consequence of not going to the potty. We did have a few nights of holding poos until nappy went on at bedtime but that passed quickly. Then a few weeks in he regressed with poos which was a nightmare (possibly my lowest parenting week yet) but again it passed when he decided to conform again. The whole stage was far less demanding that I had imagined but I do know friends who have had a really tough time (mainly boys though). We used a Potette for out and about which was a life saver as you can't always be within a minute or 2 of a loo in the early stages GOOD LUCK !!
Oh and embrace your PG-fat - I hated it when people kept telling me I was tiny as I approached 20 weeks as I suspected I was too small which is not good - far better to be a great big hiefer with a healthy baby - like you said you can lose it afterwards and given you'll have T to run after as well as a newborn you'll lose it in no time !
Nowt to report from here - AF due then I'm counting down the days until TTC - yippeeee ! Start acupuncture on Sat - am hoping it isn't so successful that it gives me a 28 day cycle as DP will be away at the crucial stage - arrghhh ! Am hoping for a slightly elongated cycle - a wee 31-dayer would suit !!!
Where is everyone?
Hope all is well for all...
I have decided to turn the job down as I went for a meeting with the HR people and it turns out the recruitment woman wildly exaggerated the job description, wages and potential of the job I decided that rather than go for a crap job just to have a job, I will stick where I am and keep applying for something better DH want too pleased but he loves his job and sat on his arse for 9 months until he found it so a bit of understanding would be good...
Hello ladies - where are you all ?...
Marbles hope you are ok missus, sounds like you made the right decision, even if you DH is not being very supportive. When do you finish up ?
frazzle what crazy diet are you doing ? Surely you really don't need to ?...
Well it is all go here. AF arrived rather suddenly on Thu - unfortunately I had E with me and had to take him with my into the loo as we were about to go into his swimming lesson - I tried to be descreet but Mr nosey just had to have a look in the loo The poor boy just turned to me in complete shock and said "what kind of pee pee did you do mummy ?" eeek ! I have probably scarred him for life !!! I managed to distract him quite successfully but am still waiitng for him to announce to someone that mummy did a red pee !!!
Anyway, first post-MC AF has been and gone - hurray ! So a few practise days then we are up and running finally TTC - whopppeee !
I also had my first acupuncture session on Saturday - it was all good apart fro me finding the Chinese Dr very tricky to understand (some hilarious misunderstandings did occur !) I found the whole thing far more relaxing than I'd expected - not unpleasant atall. However the same cannot be said for the 'raw herbs' that he 'prescribed' me to boil and drink - absolutely disgusting, they make me gag but apaprently they are "preapring my body for pregnancy" so I'm persevering ! Not only that but the herbs cost as much as the acupuncture so I'll be bankrupt by the time I conceive !
afternoon!!
murray nice to see you and so glad Af has been and gone... GL with TTC im thinking of trying acupuncture...im devising a way to hide the charges from DH...
i myself have TTCed like mad, got a BFP saturday afternoon (CD27)and then Af arrived (early!) on sunday morning i am choosing to ignore the BFP part as if i had been patient and waited until Af was due (tomorrow incidentally) i would have been none the wiser... hey ho...i will have to sex up DH this cycle and im thinking of trying agnus castus too...anyone tried it?
Marbles can't add much to Murrays post about the bfp/af sorry to hear about your job but I don't blame you for not taking up the offer I'm sure dh will come round eventually
Murray glad you enjoyed the acupuncture although not the herbs so much
Apologies for lack of personals but I'm away on a course so on app and relying on my awful memory!
Ttc is back on track think I've got over my worries but like Impala really struggling with E's behaviour had a terrible week of it last wk but have to say Monday we had a whole day of no time out and he was a joy now if we could have a few more like that it would be brilliant doesn't help that I have get constant digs from my mum and nan because I refuse to hit him and that's their parenting style. I've tried ignoring them but when your not v confident it really knocks you for six
Hello ladies,
Murray Glad AF has been and gone and you can get down to some serious TTC-ing Pleased you found the acupuncture relaxing although the herbal concoction sounds foul! My acupuncturist didn't do all the herbal stuff so I escaped that. I'm sure the pain will be worth it though!
I had to smile about the red pee, E has asked me so many times "what are you doing mummy?", "what's that?" etc. It's a nightmare when you don't get any privacy in the loo! I've given very basic answers to her questions so far. I was having a discussion with a friend the other day who has a 15 year-old DD who started AF at the age of 9 and she was saying she's always been perfectly honest about AF with both her DD and her 9 year-old DS from a very young age, explained why it happens etc. Marbles have you had any similar questions from S? And how did you handle it? It sounds as though you've made the right decision about the job by the way, something better will come along I'm sure. Thanks for your Linked-In invitation by the way And sorry to hear about the BFP which turned straight into AF I keep forgetting, when are you due to see your consultant again?
Buddha Hope you're enjoying your time away, even if it is for a course! I feel your pain with the behaviour issues. It just colours everything doesn't it? And it's even harder if family members are sticking their oar in. E has been better the past couple of weeks, it does seem to come and go in phases. However, after reading various threads on here I borrowed this book from the library: www.amazon.co.uk/1-2-3-Magic-Effective-Discipline-Parenting/dp/1889140430/ref=sr_1_1?s=books&ie=UTF8&qid=1331114963&sr=1-1 and so far it's worked really well. It's really easy to apply the concepts and you can start immediately. E has been sent to her bedroom just twice in the past week and missed a go at trampolining yesterday and that's been it. Completely different to two weeks ago! I've had great success with setting a kitchen timer/mobile phone alarm to get her to do something within a certain time and she loves the challenge of trying to beat the clock! Can't believe I didn't think of that before. I've also got this one too: www.amazon.co.uk/gp/product/1853407054/ref=ox_sc_act_title_1?ie=UTF8&m=A3P5ROKL5A1OLE which I've started to read and it also seems to make a lot of sense. Perhaps you could get your mum and nan to read them too and they'll realise that things have moved on since their day and hopefully they will then support your choices. It's so hard though, especially being consistent all the time.
Hope everyone else is OK! Haven't heard from PickledMoomin in a while, saw on FB that she's not very well
Frazzle Hope the drastic diet worked and that you're back to normal now!
Hi ladies
S has asked the same questions impala and I told her its the comfy bed in mummy's womb that's made for a new baby to sleep in and it's natures way of changing the sheets ready for the baby. It doesn't hurt etc and it won't get changed if a baby decides to grow in there she likes that explanation and it's a roundabout way of preparing her and she doesn't worry now as she tried to put a plaster on my belly the first time she saw she has said its ""ascustin" and never comin outa my penny" (disgusting and she won't be having periods) she potentially could only have 3/4 years left without them good news E is behaving a bit better now! It does happen in phases and S is being really good recently! The HT announced in assembly that he will visit the children who are consistently late in class and I think she was a bit shaken by that and has vastly improved in the mornings
Hope everyone else is ok
I heard from moomin the other day and she's ok but still not able to use her laptop so hard to post
buddha hope you are ok the behaviour issues aside obv it is so frustrating it it definitely a case of cracking what works and that can be quite a process. Like I said it WILL get better and you are most certainly NOT doing anything wrong. Be firm and stand your ground (united front with DH. Helps a lot too) dont listen to the smacking brigade ( my mums exactly the same) and parent your boy how YOU think is best. We are here to listen too and if you have any wobbles I'm at the end of the phone anytime {{{big hugs}}}
Impala spookily I bought the how to talk book last week haven't had chance to read it (should have packed it ) it's good to know that someone else recommends it.
Marbles Thank you I did mention to mum about reading a thread on here a few weeks ago about smacking but had second thoughts when it became quite heated and talked about people that snack are crap parents etc thought it was a bit harsh!
Marbles meant to say I love that explanation you gave S about af etc
Marbles That's a great way of explaining it, I'll definitely use that next time the question crops up, thank you
Buddha Agree with Marbles and I should have said in my last post that you're definitely not doing anything wrong, you're doing a great job with E. We all get so many conflicting messages about parenting these days that it's hard to know which way to turn and who to listen to. We'll have to compare notes on the book once we've both read it!
Ladies - evening ! I have been straight on to order the effective discipline book . E is generally well behaved but seem to pick his moments to play up (in front of my 'perfect mummy' friends !) so def keen to find some useful tips.
Buddha where are you in your cycle ? I am starting to SWI from the weekend - exciting ! Must try to remember that just because I am ovulating does NOT mean I will get PG first time - must remember patience !
impala glad to hear E is behaving a bit better. How did you feel when you had acupuncture ? I am soo tired - I feel my eyes starting to close at 9pm every night and even at work today I was so so sleepy ! It is a strangely nice feeling though and I have been sleeping brilliantly and having loads of dreams (Dr did ask if I had dreams so I wonder if that is significant). It may be the herbs that make me sleepy but either way I am convinced it is doing me good
Nemo where are you my dear ? Hopefully not too busy working mrs xx
Sorry to hear Moomin is unwell, hope it is nothing serious.
Murray Moomin has a water infection but started antib's today so hopefully will be better soon. We're cycle buddies! I should ov at the weekend too If I don't get pg this month then this will be the longest time it has taken since the initial wait of two years pre the m/cs no pressure there then
How come when it's my turn (once in a blue moon) for a lie in I can't sleep
Oh no poor you Buddha how irritating !
I had a wee long lie this morning after a boozy night/afternoon out which was great fun . Had a bit of a this morning when temp was VERY high and panicked that yesterday's acupuncture session had caused a very early Ov (cd 11 !) but am now convinced it was the gin that caused the rise. I know that alcohol can cause a high temp but I have never seen such a sky high temp caused just by alcohol - but then I did have a LOT so hopefully that is all it was as this morning was the first SWI so if rise is ov then we missed the boat - fingers crossed for a low temp tmrw.
Buddha how did your ov weekend go - do you think you timed it well ?
Where is everyone ?
murray sounds like you had a good night out I think we have timed it alright and can obsess relax and wait
Hi buddha sounds good that you timed things right DH and I have been trying but failing this cycle DH is working long hours and is shattered and I seem to have another illness ATM chest pain on the right side and very dragging tiredness...off the docs later...again.
Hope everyone else is ok
Marbles Hope your feeling better? I've been poorly again too getting do fed up of being I'll
Well I'm here to do a Nemo style rant about mothers day. Dh asked me weeks ago if there was anything I particularly wanted as he's crap with present buying I bookmarked a couple of things on laptop so he could pick something (don't expect gold or diamonds just a small gift as a token) but he didn't bother and took a chicken poxed tantruming E to town against my advice and returned rather quickly as E played up stating I couldn't get anything so I'll order something online. Ive now deleted my bookmarks as I don't want anything after the day (petty I know) dh works at weekends on a pub door so I knew I wouldn't get a lie in usually gets in about 1.30/2am but rolled in drunk at 4am he's never gone out after work and I wouldn't have minded if he'd let me know and picked a different day! I've got mil coming round this morning the way things are going I'll have to entertain her on my own as he'll be hungover! Maybe he'll surprise me and take me out for lunch so girls AIBU to moan?
Happy mothers day to you all
Forgot that with my rant
Happy Mother's Day ladies !
Buddha you are definitely not being unreasonable to complain about DH's behaviour - remember this when it is Father's Day . Just as well you ov'd last weekend and not this weekend . So.... any symptoms to report other than feeling ill again ? Not long until you POAS.... exciting !
I will not be joining you as egg has still not arrived - not a complete shock for me as tend to have longer than 28 cycles. DP was away last week so a blessing that ov delayed. BD'd last night as had EWCM during the day but it then disappeared and today's temp above coverline - probably due to drinks last night as opposed to ov though... More EWCM (blood streaked !!) today so suspect I have a few more days to go. Am just praying that I do not have a repeat of last month's on/off messing with my head ov symptoms then weeks and weeks for egg to arrive... fingers crossed.
Where is everyone else hiding ? Nemo, bump update please !
Mother's Day rather more successful here, DS made me a lovely card at nursery (so much more appreciated and treasured than a shop bought one) and he also bought me some Jo Malone hand cream - clever boy and DP cooked dinner for me - feeling very lucky - all I need now is an egg and then a BFP - not much to ask surely...
Hello lovely ladies,
I'm sorry I haven't been around much. I'm stalking you all but I haven't had the time to post- currently using phone (again) so it's impossible to remember what's been said since I last posted.
I'm well, work is busy. I'm looking forward to three weeks off for Easter.
Life at home is comfortable. Still living in the same house as D. We're doing alternate weekends with the kids but everything is amicable though he's annoyed me recently (broke my mother's day pressie that L made, gave her permanent marker which went through her paper and on to the table.... I bet you're bored already!).
I went to London last weekend. It was lovely to catch up with friends. I miss the kids like crazy when they are with D but I call constantly and look forward to spending the following weekend with them.
L is a delight at the moment. I occasionally see a teenager in her but she's generally very settled, happy and funny. She's doing really well in school, and I spend most of my time driving her to out of school activities.
J is a monkey. Terrible twos- doesn't eat, still doesn't sleep, is very strong willed. He makes me laugh constantly. His obsession with poo, boogies and willies are new to me. L was never interested. He enjoys nothing better than calling someone a bird poo or a boogie beard. And he's so physical. I feel like I spend all day chasing him. I'm adjusting slowly.
Please keep posting. It's great to hear from you
Hello ladies so sorry I've been away for so long, am rubbish.
Buddha am amused/slightly concerned by the idea of a "Nemo style rant" - although not to disappoint you, I could do a few more rants since I last posted... Not least about the fact that for mothers day I got..... nada. Nothing. Zilch. Not a card, noy anything. Which, coming after the valentines day debacle wasn't quite what I was hoping for..... Murray am LOVING the jo malone hand cream present, that's much more what I had in mind! Did I mention before that DH works next door to a card shop and 2 doors from a florist?!?! He didn't manage to write the card (I made him buy) for his mum either, so I supppose at least I'm not the only one he doesn't appreciate?! But Buddha I'm sorry you had such aou on crap day. Why are they so rubbish?!?! It's not fecking complicated after all!!!! Hope you're doing ok now though.
Murray what CD are you on now? Glad the SWI is going well Am keeping everything crossed for you!
Marbles I hope you're feeling better now? You really have had too much to cope with lately
Ok, so you'd be disappointed if there was no rant, right? Had a consultant's appt this aft, have been seeing him either 4 weekly or fortnightly cos cervix got a bit shorter a while ago and they're keeping a close eye on it in case I need a stitch (looking v unlikely). But as I suspected, the baby is ginormous. So they want me to go for a glucose tolerance test on monday (appt not til 10 - may starve to death by 1pm...) in case it's gestational diabetes...
Am feeeling v grumpy about it. I hate being pg (and I suck at it), am extremely worried about giving birth to a whopping baby, being split from ear to ear again, and in all liklihood having no f-ing pain relief as it'll all happen too quickly. Actually think I might be a bit traumatised from last time, am just really scared of things going wrong and of the level of pain that I experienced last time.....
Rant rant rant. Sorry. I know I'm worrying about something that might never happen (GD not having to give birth!) and I know it's better to know if he has got it, so we (I) can do everything we (I) can to make sure he's healthy, but it's really unsettled me.....Gah. Why are things never straightforward huh? Sorry for the moan (That Nemo, she's only on here when she wants something/something goes wrong... )
X posts Moomin - it's like buses hey? Glad things are as ok as they can be in the circumstances. xx
Hello lovely ladies, so good to see some action on this thread - was concerned I'd killed it with my 'missing egg' chat
Firstly... Buddha how are you mrs ? must be time to test if no AF by now... Please pop on and let us know, have everything crossed for you, been thinking of you these past few days xxx
Moomin great to hear from you, glad to hear all going as well as can be expected given your less than ideal situation with DH. How was London, did you see your ex while you were there ?... DS sounds like a typical little boy, bursting with energy and cheek ! So much fun but so exhausting.
Nemo thank you for updating us - I was going to text you for a bump update as it has been aaages ! How many weeks are you now, surely into the 3rd trimester ? Not so good about the large baby and potential GD - like you say it hasn't been confirmed as yet and I don't know much about it TBH (other than it means big baby and I guess you'd have to alter diet ?...) but I'm certain it is better that you know about it and have it treated/monitored. Why can't being PG just be straightforward for you ? Also, I hope you gave DH a stern talking to after neglecting you Mother's Day - unforgivable when you are carrying his son and having a tough PG into the bargain. HUGS xx
Well my egg is still being stubborn - grrrrr...! I have had plentiful EWCM these past few days, gradually increasing as it should, then a temp dip yesterday so was 99% sure that this morning was my thermal shift day but no - FFS ! I was so convinced that I took temp twice then decided thermometer was pants so tried my backup thermometer !!!! Anyway, am now praying for tomorrow and not yet another false alarm where EWCM dries up and body starts trying all over again for the next 4-5 days. Am now on cd24 BORED OF WAITING ! On the plus side it means I can polish off the yummy wine I cracked open last night - every cloud.. Acupuncture going well - had an appt this morning which was fine apart from finding out that I should be drinking the 'raw herb tea' warm not cold - Dr told me that explains why I am not improving as much as he'd hoped - arrrghhh ! The only way I can stomach the God awful stuff is to down it cold with my breath held then immediately down fresh orange juice afterwards. My colleague who was due the week before me started Maternity leave last week which was tough but am hoping that not seeing her bump every day will make life easier at work. The other PG girl at work is due to go off when I'm on holiday - phew ! Only 3 weeks now until I jet off to sunny Lanzarote - BRING IT ON !
Hello to all the other lovely ladies - what is your news ?...
Oh Murray Lanzarote! Hopefully should do you the world of good though, and you certainly deserve it! Seeing the girl waved off by everyone and presumably given presents must have been HORRIBLE but as you say, at least you don't have to see her from now on. And fingers crossed, by the time she comes back you'll be on mat leave yourself! I remember the raw herb tea < boak> I used to drink mine luke warm, just cool enough that I could down it in one whilst holding my nose, exactly as you describe! Filthy stuff. But if it works def worth it! Good luck. You're right about the GD of course, def better to know if I do have it. Am fretting. It seems I have quite a complicated relationship with food while I'm preggers, though luckily not really the rest of the time, and I'm really not sure how I'll cope with no sugar and ding hungry all the time, though I'm aware of how pathetic that sounds and that there are far worse things....
I tried talking to DH last night about how I was feeling about everything. He pretty much rolled over and went to sleep without reacting at all which meant I couldn't sleep then was up again ALOT in the night then with DD at (old) 6.30 so shattered today... That'll make for a nice rational conversation about it all later then....
Am writing this on my new toy. Have been thinking about getting an iPad for ages, since my accountant told me I can have it as 100% business expense and I really could do with one for work, so I took the plunge on Friday and got one. Figured I may as well get it before the end of the tax year. It's wifi only but have tethered it to my iPhone (£10 per month on Vodafone sure it can be done more cheaply somehow...) so I can use it out and about as well - like now, in the car on the m25 on the way back from Ipswich visiting the godchildren.
And at least it means I can mn without having to use the god awful app . Will be good to have it at the hospital tomorrow as well, will need to pass the time somehow.....
Buddha - what she said update please! Hope you're feeling ok about things whatever the news, and that DH has made up for his appalling behaviour last weekend.... As I said, no apology here....
How is everyone else? Quite a few animals have been AWOL for a while, maybe we should go and give them a nudge on fb to get them to come and see us
Right. DD asleep so will maybe take the opportunity to try to talk to DH again. Not optimistic.... xx
Quickie as I'm watching dancing on ice final
Af one day late but two poas later still -ve so just waiting for af to arrive feel ok (ish) about it bit as I put a lot of effort in this month I'm beginning to think maybe my eggs are no longer fresh
Murray Good news that pg lady has now finished work but boo for missing egg. Any news on that? Your herb tea sounds awful tbh but if it does the trick drink up
Nemo No apology here either needless to say there will be no Fathers day in our house A Nemo style rant is not a bad thing honest. Bugger can't remember what else I was going to say and can't see on app
Will be back tomorrow for proper post promise
Sorry ladies, I've been really rubbish at posting of late, been very busy and not had much time for anything.
Sorry some of you had such rubbish Mother's Days, I think Buddha's suggestion of no Father's Day is great DH and I were away at a wedding without E that weekend but we did get back early afternoon and enjoyed a late lunch at my mum's with E I was given this book and a huge box of chocolates. E also made me a lovely card and a pasta necklace at nursery, which I will treasure. I remember as a teenager asking my mum why on earth she'd kept all the rubbish delightful things my sister and I had made at playgroup and primary school (which she still has incidentally!). Now I do understand!
Gomurray Really hope your body stops playing tricks on you, so frustrating The herbal concoction sounds foul, hope you manage to find a way to drink it warm and keep it down. Very of your trip to Lanzarote btw, it will be lovely. And good news that you won't have to keep dealing with your two pg colleagues when you get back.
Buddha Keeping my fingers crossed for you!
Nemo Sorry to hear about possible GD, how did things go today? Did you get the results or do you have to wait for them? Sorry to hear you're having such a rough time with being pg. On the home straight now though - when is your due date exactly? Did you ever speak to anyone about your fears about tearing again and the possibility of a C-section? I think if you feel that is the best option for you this time around then you should definitely try pushing for one. Didn't the government announce recently that all women who wanted a C-section should have one or something or have I got that totally wrong? Obviously it's not a decision to be taken lightly but if you know it's at least an option for you if that's what you want then you might be able to relax a little.
On a brighter note, I love your accountant's reasoning about the iPad, might have to consider getting one before April 5th Although given that we're about to have an extension built (if the bank actually agrees to give us a mortgage [anger]) then perhaps it's not a necessity at the moment
Moomin Lovely to hear from you and pleased things are as OK as they can be with DH at the moment. Love the pictures of your trip to London on FB, looks as though you had a lovely time
All OK here, apart from I've had this virus which has been going around. Starts off like flu with a temp and aches and pains but not quite as bad. However, it makes you feel rubbish for well over a week and ends up as a stinking cold, which I've still got Nice! E had an ear infection a couple of weeks ago but fortunately is better now. We're going to visit friends in Brussels this w/e - this is the trip we had to cancel last month because E was ill so really hoping nothing goes wrong this time!
Hope everyone else is OK.
Morning how is everyone today? I have a cold..... Boo! But at least it's sunny. Thanks for the good wishes for yesterday, it was fine, though I'd heard from other people that the sugary drink makes you feel quite sick, and they weren't kidding. But noting as bad as ms so a doddle really! Haven't been told how long it'll take to get the results but my gp friend reckons the surgery should have either got them yesterday aft or should get them later today so I'll hassle call them about it later and I'll keep you posted. My latest paranoia is that I'm not feeling as much movement as I have been, but I think (hope) that it's just because he had an exceptionally active weekend and now he's just gone back to normal levels which therefore feels less.....
Impala Brussels trip sounds great! Will keep my fingers crossed that it all goes smoothly for you this time round. How long are you going for? We've been away the last couple of weekends and tbh I'm really looking forward to a quiet one this weekend, especially if this weather holds [crosses fingers...]
Moomin I saw something on fb about London but I haven't looked at the pics yet, will have to go and have a nose!
Murray any sign of that missing egg yet? I know it won't be what you want to hear, but it might take your body a couple of cycles to settle down. With temping hopefully you'll know as soon as it's ready and I'm sure you'll catch the egg as soon as it's there to catch. At least you know that with the acupuncture and the foul herbs your body will be in the best possible position to carry a pg when it does happen.
Buddha sorry about the -ve's, that sucks.... If you're worried about egg quality is it worth talking to the gp about whether there are any blood tests you can have or would you be happier not medicalising things too much? I'm certainly guilty of that, just ends up giving me more things to worry about... Come and let us know how you're doing, I've been thinking of you. And remember, you had E when you weren't sure that it would ever happen, so there's no reason why it shouldn't happen again. Hope that doesn't sound blasé, hopefully you know what I mean.
Right then. Better get moving. Am looking forward to seeing lots of posts on here next time I come in. I'll bring cake if that'll help?!?
hi everyone!!
glad to see people around recently
DH and I took DD to the lakes for the night and to south lakes wild animal park on friday/saturday we had a lovely weekend (and DH and i managed to BD too overcoming adversity from the B&Bs supremely squeaky bed and DD talking in her sleep)
anywho...
how has everyone been? my brain is mushy today so i cant remember anything and im in work too so can sneak a bit inbetween working...last tuesday EVER in this shitty job so onwards and upwards from here...
What gorgeous weather today I hope it's been the same for all of you, could get used to this! We spent part of the day at Jimmy's Farm and had a lovely time and enjoyed a picnic in the sunshine
Nemo I meant to say in my last post that next time you go to Ipswich you should drop in - we're literally just off the A12 outside Colchester! Have you been to Jimmy's Farm with the godchildren? If not then you should go, T would love all the animals. In answer to your question, we're in Brussels for 4 days so that will be nice. We've had busy weekends all this month actually, with another wedding on Easter Sunday so I think we won't be doing anything for the rest of April!
Glad the GTT went well this morning despite the disgusting stuff they make you drink and hopefully you should get the results back tomorrow. Fingers crossed for you. As for reduced movements, you'll know better than anyone else what feels normal, but if you're at all worried then contact your mw or hospital and ask to be monitored just to make sure.
Marbles Sounds like a lovely weekend The Lakes are lovely. Fingers crossed you made a baby whilst you were there! Is it Friday you finish your job? Bet you can't wait! Are you starting the new one on Monday or have you taken holiday between the two?
Hope everyone is OK
Hello ladies - lots of animals in the zoo recently, just how I like it !
Nemo glad the test is over, let us know when you hear.
Impala wowsers Brussels sounds lovely, lucky you !
Marbles 10/10 for BDing with squeaky bed and sleeping child - a medal is winging its way to you !!
Buddha I assume your absence is because AF arrived, pop back when you are ready missus, we are here to listen/cheer you on xx
No news from here - have a similar bug to impala, tiredness, weak, achey which now seems to have passed and now just have the trots which is not a big deal except it means SWI is on hold so sod's law dictates that I will no doubt ov soon . I will be soooooo if we miss the egg because of this stupid bug. Anyway, have another small concern. I have had 2 episodes during this cycle where I have had pink/blood tinged EWCM - both lasted a day or 2. Anyone have any experience of this/advice ? Obviously I googled it and got various results - the most worrying (which matches my situation) is that my body is approaching menopause so there is less oestrogen so despite best efforts my body keeps failing to ov - this is exactly what it feels like as have had several patchy days of EWCM then it dries up and the process starts again - been happening for over 16 days now . I am trying so hard to be philosophical about it all and not worry too much, but I should be going on mat leave this week and it has hit me harder than I had expected . The next few weeks are going to be tougher than I'd hoped and am alredy dreading announcement of my friend's baby's arrival . Arrgghhh so much for keeping my chin up - sorry ladies xx
murray {{{{big squashy cuddle}}} here is the place where you really don't have to keep your chin up I'm so sorry you are finding things hard ATM keep talking... I'm around lurking most of the time so you always have at least me to listen to you/shoulder to cry on...
WRT the no Ov/mid-cycle spotting... Have you tried the B100 complex I was rattling about? It's shortened my cycle and boosts progesterone apparantly so helps with LP... Also I have bought Agnus castus for next cycle if we haven't gotten lucky this one which is natures answer to clomid according to reliable sources... Might be worth a look
Hey murray
I have the feeling that I'm not Ov every month... About 1 in 3 by my reckoning and I thought...what the hell! It can't hurt to try it... I have bought it but I'm not 100% sure I will even take it yet...
Hope you are ok {{{{hug}}}} hope you are feeling a little better xxx
It's my EDD for my very first MC tomorrow my baby would have been 9yo if all had gone well
Hello everyone (enters shame faced after long absence and brings CAKE to make up for it)
Haven't read through everything, but it seems that some of you are still going through it with TTC I am keeping everything crossed that we have some good news from all of you soon. It is so frustrating and every maternity leave starting or EDD just makes it all harder. Lots of hugs to gomurray Buddha and Marbles. You all amaze me.
Nemo How are you doing? How long to you have left and remind me, did you find our the flavour?
frazzle Are you still frazzle? I must just say your running is amazing. I always notice the updates on twitter and can't believe you are doing those distances. I am in awe.
Anyway, we have had one of those lovely (pretty rare) days where everything goes to plan. The children have been delightful and even napped at the same time, so I am going to top it off with an early night too xxx
Will be back SOON
Hello to everyone else, sorry for being AWOL. Have had a stinking cold and been extremely rough and exhausted but on the mend now hopefully. FINALLY got blood results yesterday after chasing the hospital for them and apparently all fine. Am still concerned about the size of the baby and want to discuss it further, but will have I wait for now. Am seeing the consultant on the 19th and am trying (so far unsuccessfully) to get an appt with my gp before that to see what she says... My thinking is that labour may well be significantly quicker than it was with DD, who only took 6.5 hours and that having been told she was on the 50th centile she turned out to be 8lb9, whereas this one is already showing up as massive. So if 8lb9 left me with a 3rd degree tear what's a significantly larger baby going to do to me?!?! Maybe don't answer that.... I'm pretty sure I don't want an elcs, so I guess the only real question is whether they'd consider inducing me early, which I know may not work anyway and increases the possibility of an emcs.... There are just n easy answers are there?!
Sorry for the me me me post, and for not commenting on everyone's news but I really need to go and do some work now..... Widh me luck? Love to all!
Nemo thank you so, so much for your lovely post. As always you are so right. I am struggling to imagine things going right this time. The blood has disappeared so am trying just to forget all about it until the weekend when I plan to test. Am due on Monday but going out for dinner on Sat so would like a glass of wine if not PG. Ideally I'd wait to see if AF arrives/temp drops but the temptation of wine is too strong . On the bright side, if am not PG then I can drink even more wine on my holiday
Nemo you poor thing worrying about a giant baby. FWIW if you do end up going down the CS route it is not all bad (no contractions and pushing nonsense). It does take a few weeks to heal completely but within about 5 days you will feel pretty normal. I healed really quickly - I took arnica homeopathic pills for several weeks prior to due date and I swear they made all the difference. I know several women my age who took a lot longer to recover. Ideally you will go into labour naturally while baby smaller - I know a vaginal delivery is what nature intended but don't fear the alternative Was DD on time/late ? How many weeks are you now ?
Hello lurking animals !
Ah thanks Murray, and I'm glad you're feeling better! A bit of wine won't do your little bean any harm, even if you are preggers. I seem to remember I had quite a bit the night I found out I was pg this time, needed it to cope with the shock!
Am officially 30 weeks today, EDD is 12/06/12. DD was born 2 days after her EDD but actually on the date I thought she was due. FWIW I think this one is due on either 16th or 17th June (who has the energy to have sex on a tuesday?!? ) If he hasn't put in an appearance by then I'll be going for a sweep by the same mw who violated helped me last time on 14/06/12. Poor little chap is just doing the best he can, while his evil mummy spends all her time planning his eviction! xx
Hello ladies !
nemo LOL at you evicting your poor wee boy ! You have good reason though. I really hope they listen to you and consider inducing you early, otherwise it will be a worry-filled last stretch for you.
Buddha are you at the fun part of TTC yet ?
marbles where are you in your cycle after your heriocs on holiday
Not much news from here other than frantic 2ww symptoms spotting ! Yesterday had a far bit of dark red blood then back to brown/old blood today. Am 9dpo and bought in some cheapie tests today. Anyone tried them ? I mean mega cheap 2 for a pound from the pound shop . Not sure whether to use them or just wait and get 'proper' ones - any opinions ? Temp was looking promising but took a wee dip today (not enough to be anything exciting like an implantation dip, just enough to wreck a potential tri-phasic) Not that I am completely obsessed or anything
Marbles on the topic of temping, why don't you give it a go ? Esp if you are unsure that you are ov'ing each month - that would put you more in control and allow you to understand more about what is going on. However, I do appreciate that not everyone is a control freak like me ! I was really religious about the rules when TTC DS in that I would not get out of bed within 3 hours of taking temp and took it at exactly the same time every morning. Now, I do not have the luxury of sticking to the rules and am often up with DS just a few mins before I take temp (or I just take it whenever I can !) and it still tells me what is going on. All I am trying to say is that you do not have to be too anal about it so it is not as restrictive as you may think.
evening ladies
murray i have temped with no success in the early days of TTC and for me, therein madness lies...i am trying to stay relaxed about things as i know that it is relatively easy for me to get a BFP so i must be ovulating but im pretty sure that i get a anovulatory cycle every 3 months or so as i have NO Ov signs on anov cycles its like my body just CBA to Ov that month im on CD34 today...AF was due last weekend(at the latest tuesday) and other than some crampiness...no sign...BFN on tuesday morning too so just my uterus being an arsehole true to form...
how are you? the symptoms sound promising keep us posted!
nemo i cant remember if you said you have had the water around the baby measured? i was told that DD was going to be HUGE and i had a meltdown in the MW appt...so much so that she sent me for a growth scan where it was revealed that DD was normal sized but i had 2 litres of excess fluid (polyhydramnios) and had to be monitored more closely...just a thought really...DD eventually ended up 8lb 12oz and when my waters went it was like niagra falls we needed to buy an new bed, bedroom carpet and i had to change my clothes 4 times throughout the day when i was in labour...might be worth a talk with the MW
Hello ladies, happy Easter! 
marbles thanks for the kind words, that must have been scary for you with DD! It was the measurements of the actual baby on the scan that were big, specifically the abdominal circumference.... So it's not extra fluid. Had a good MW appt yest so feeling a bit better, though our mortgage co are currently being ARSEHOLES so am extremely stressed about that. Why can things never be simple?!?
Ah well, DH's bday today so will try David.Barkley@openwork.uk.comnot to think about it. 8 people here for dinner tonight but my mum has kindly done most of the food as his present so hopefully shouldn't be too much work
Big love to all 
hope you have a fab B H weekend xx
Afternoon ladies. Happy Easter (gutted can't do bunny ears on app!)
Apologies for only lurking rl has been mega busy.
Nemo Ouchy Ouchy big baby I'm not surprised your stressing out my lovely especially with your past history! I'm still wondering why you're celebrating dh's birthday considering his poor show for special days lately
Murray Any other symptoms other than the bleeding? Although that alone sounds good I only had implantation bleed with one if the three pgs and that resulted in E so I've everything crossed for you.
Marbles what is your body doing to your head again? I'm the same as you can't get the temping much prefer my ov sticks from eBay
Yes we're at the fun part if ttc, out on a hen weekend tonight so poor dh better look out later although E is going through bad week of awful sleep so tiredness and ttc are not good partners!
heellooo ladies ! So good to see so many of you on here, happy Easter
Marbles WTF is going on with your body ? Surely time to test again ...? I have fingers crossed for BFP but I also know that it is not as simple as that for you, so big hugs xx
Buddha Go girl ! Never mind tiredness and sleepless nights, needs must ! Just be glad you know when you are going to ovulate (give or take a day or 2), even poor DP was getting fed up having to perform every other night when my egg was AWOL . Spring is the best time for fertility and new beginnings so crossing everything (even my legs at the moment !) for you xx
Nemo how did dinner go ? I hope you made minimal effort for maximum results. Partly because you should not be busting a gut for DH after his recent track record and also because at your stage people should be running around after you, esp when you are so stressed.
Symptoms from here are not much in terms of bleeding now, very high temp again today and a touch of constipation (nice !). I had actually forgotten that constipation is a 'sign' until I read my pregnancy book the other day to find out what 'may' be happening in there - apparently due to hormone levels. Anyway, I was going to test tomorrow but have decided to sit it out and wait for Monday - AF due then (or Tuesday) so more likely to get an accurate result by then. I don't want to get BFN tomorrow then go out and drown my sorrows only to get a BFP later ! Listen to me so hopeful... what happened to not getting my hopes up ? 
Happy Easter ladies hope you have all had a chocolate and fun filled day.
My day has been ruined by the early and unwelcome arrival of AF (actually started last night so at least 2 days early). I know it was our first month but am still gutted as had several "signs". Had zero pre-AF PMT, just sudden onset of cramps then AF, very strange. Am convinced body tried to get PG but messed up hormones just couldn't sustain pregnancy, am so fed up with my post-MC broken body. Facing due date is going to be so much tougher not being PG but at least I can drink wine on holiday .
Happy Easter [bsmile]
murray so sorry AF arrived when do you go on your holiday?
AF is (still) AWOL BFN yesterday (again) I'm pretty sure I'm not upduffed as I have ZERO signs of anything... Who knows eh...
That should be ...
Murray I'm so sorry af got you I know how much you wanted to be pg for due date but maybe your body is just not quite ready. Have a brilliant time on holiday, kick back, relax drink and be merry who knows what will happen next month x
Marbles What's your body doing at the moment? Af arrived?
Nothing to report here af due a week today/tomorrow. No symptoms unless you count toothpaste tasting funny
Work is mega busy and there are 3 of us ttc there so we're all watching each other like hawks
Hi buddha
AF got me too 10days late! Ahhh well I have started Agnus castus now to see if I can regulate my cycle...
Looking forward to seeing if things have worked for you lovely
marbles 10days late what a nightmare really hope the Agnes works. Loving some of the pictures on draw something I hunk your officially my highest record! obsessive symptom spotting alert - think I mentioned the toothpaste, I'm also over sensitive to smells, some make me heave, but unless I really squash my (.)(.) they aren't render which is normally my first sign so probably another month closer to being 40 and not pg
Ladies, so lovely to 'see' you
marbles 10 days late, that is just rubbish, do you think you ovulated late ?... Good luck with the AC I really hope it works for you and gives you some hope.
Buddha heightened sense of smell sounds promising . What a nightmare with others at work TTC and all checking each other out to guess if each other is PG !! I look forward to hearing your news next weekend, I'll check in from hols to find out.
I am packing and looking forward to some sun Acupuncturist told me today to avoid shellfish and spicy food (2 of my most favourite things) and not to drink cold drinks or eat cold foods like ice-cream - I'm going on bl00dy holiday FFS !!! I am not sure whether to take heed or just ignore him altogether . I told him that I refuse to take the stinky herbs on holiday so he has given me pills instead. Am so fed up with my body as my temp has not gone back to proper pre-ov temps since AF arrived. Temps not high enough for PG though - basically either on or 0.1 above coverline, very frustrating. Acupuncturist told me that hormones are unbalanced because I am not in good health which annoyed me as I eat healthily, am not overweight, exercise regularly, take loads of vits and rarely drink too much grrrr... he says my poor circulation is the problem which I don't understand as I have reynauds but had that the last 2 times I got PG so my hormones were fine then... . I will persevere with it for a while but am getting fed up waiting for results - I guess doing something is better than doing nothing though... Anyway, moan moan, sorry ladies. See you all after my holiday - we leave on Monday - I am hoping that once due date has passed I can move on and feel more positive.
Murray Hmm not too sure about all the info you've been given by acupuncturist like you said you managed to get pg before without all the herbs and food avoidance but if it feels like your doing something constructive and helps regulate your temp then it can't be a bad thing. Well jel about your holiday how long are you away for? Is due date when actually away too?
Don't hold your breath waiting for news next weekend I'm sure there will be nothing to report again
Murray I shall do a little egg dance for you in the style of "mama do the hump" I can see why the birth announcement would be harder so don't beat yourself up if it hits hard. Relax, have a fab time you deserve a good break
Was going to read up and check in but I needs a cuddle apparently then housework then playgroup. Will attempt to check back if in still awake at 11:30 hope you're all well x
I think I'm up to date now, looks like a few ((( ))) hugs are in order. murray I wish I understood more about acupuncture but have no experience, I once saw a homeopath at uni but fell out with the method when she told me I couldn't take Canistan (sp) for an uncomfortable case of you know what my sil is giving acupuncture a go too, suppose anything's worth a try
buddha I totally get the toothpaste thing! Had it with I!
marbles what's this Angus cactus? I used lots of B6 to regulate/lengthen my cycle after my infection last May, is it similar?
Nemo I am also carrying a biggun but haven't managed to squeeze anything out so ignorantly optimistic for vbac. Didn't see you at Peppa pig world! Did you have fun?
Hello to all, will post more when iPad is charged up, off to do my natal hypnotherapy cd now scan on wed, consultant on fri to discuss vbac.... Fingers crossed
Well it's happened of the three of us ttc at work we have a winner (unfortunately not me) it couldn't happen to a nicer person and although this is only her 3rd month of ttc and I've been coaching her from the start I'm only a massive little bit as she's getting married week Saturday and then her new dh us away for 7 months so it is such good timing for them. I did have a little tear and a big sigh but hugely happy and hope this is the start of a run of three!
Hello animals
Sorry to be AWOL, was going to say just haven't had the energy to post, but how crap does that sound?!?
DD is being "challenging", plus am v tired and stressed about various things - work, money, mortgage, baby, blah blah blah... The biggest one, obviously, is the baby. And it seems that "biggest" is the operative word.... I'll try to keep it brief. Having been told by the hospital that my blood glucose levels were fine, the mw said there was sugar in my urine. Finally got a GP appt who said my levels WEREN'T fine, they were too high. Also told me that I could be looking at having a 10-11lb baby. Gulp. Was away on a hen weekend last weekend With a friend who's a gp so she suggested I borrow her blood glucose monitor and do some random finger prick tests and a couple of fasting ones just to see. So I did. And they were ALL abnormally high.... Finally spoke to consultant about it yesterday. He said sugar in urine doesn't matter as hospital test is definitive, said gp is wrong that levels are too high, and that if all levels were high using my friend's machine then the machine prob isn't working properly! But don't feel all tht reassured tbh.... Have a scan tomorrow aft and then the consultant knows I want to book a clinic appt with him to discuss the birth.
Having been v ante an elcs now I'm not so sure.... I think I was, and am, more traumatised by T's birth than I realised. I am quite simply terrified by the prospect of delivering an even bigger baby with no pain relief and tearing again. Am also pretty worried about the effect such a big baby would have on my pelvic floor and level of continence, and am well aware I could end up needing surgery in that regard in years to come if this LO does more damage... So actually an elcs, preferably at 38 weeks, doesn't sound so bad, but I have no idea what the consultant will say about it.... Aaargghhhh!!
Was intending to catch up with everyone now, but think I need to go to bed. Sorry. I'll try to come back tomorrow, when hopefully I'll post something less self centred. Scan is at 4pm tomorrow... Wish me luck!!
Nemo goodness me your getting the run around about this baby. No- one can surely raise any eyebrows about an elcs?? at the end of the day you're the one who's got to deliver! Good luck today x
Af arrived Wednesday
Decided to take a 5 minute break from work umm... about an hour ago... and have been googling photos of c section scars. Dear lord.....!! Did you guys who had sections have stitching, gluing or stapling afterwards?
Buddha and at af for you. I don't know why, but I am just positive this is going to work out for you, you WILL have a second baby, I can feel it in my waters! Sorry that's not much help.
You too Murray Try not to get too hung up on what your acupuncturist has said (easy for me to say, I know) He sounds very similar to the first 2 people I saw. The second kept going on about how I needed to wait (and wait and wait and wait...) before ttc because I needed to "heal my uterus" and how my body wasn't ready and blah blah blah. To be honest it made me feel awful, like my body was failing somehow. And in the end it was like the sun coming out (god that sounds cheesy) when it suddenly struck me one day, that my uterus didn't need to 'heal' - all that it had gone through was to deliver a baby at 17 weeks, I hadn't injured myself! Saying to myself "do you know what, I'm fine" was somehow extremely empowering. She also had A LOT to say about what I ate and how/when I exercised, in fact pretty much all areas of my life. The best thing she ever did was to go away on an extended holiday and recommend I start seeing her friend while she was away. I'm still seeing the friend over 3 years later and I haven't looked back! Maybe you'd do better with someone with a more positive approach? Seeing someone who appeared to have more faith in me and my ability to have a baby somehow made me have more faith in myself, and that may be just what you need right now - I'm no expert but I suspect it would do you far more god than avoiding ice cream and shellfish! Ok, rant over
nemo your situation sounds so much like mine! What weight did they tell you baby was at scan today? I was talking to a woman who pushed for an induction at 38 weeks as her first was big (8lb 13) and she said it was great! Had epidural, slept for 6 hours then woke and pushed. I'm going to discuss it with my consultant tomorrow morning. Depends on hospital opinions on induction after CSection
Buddha sorry about AF
Kat it does sound similar doesn't it? Especially as T & I were exactly the same weight iirc - 8lb 9oz. Seeing as you're ahead of me maybe I should wait and see what weight yours comes out at this time and go from there?! Though I guess that would only work if yours is a boy - though maybe that's more likely as s/he is so big?
My scan isn't til 4pm but I'll post later and let you know what weight they think he is atm. I'm hoping they'll also give me a projected weight for term today. Why did you end up with an emcs with I? Did she get stuck or was it something else? Sorry, I can't remember. One of the main things I'm worried about is that as T was pretty quick and second babies are often significantly quicker than first, my chances of an epidural are pretty minimal....
Just had a quick look for info on induction after c-sec for you. It's quite an old thread, but wondered if this might be relevant (in the sense that fore warned is fore armed before you see your consultant, not in the sense that it tells you what you want to hear unfortunately):
Vbacqueen1:
The World Health organisation classes full term as any where between 37-42 weeks so officially, you're not even overdue till you get to 42+1.
Statistically, the risk of uterine rupture is tiny if you wait to go into labour naturally. But if you factor in a chemical induction, the risk increases a LOT. You've also more risk of having another CS or assisted delivery (forceps/ventouse) if you're induced too.
If you can bear to wait and your baby is well, you'd be doing both of you a favour by waiting it out!
If you DO decide to go ahead with induction, there's a school of thought that says IV syntocinon is less risky than the pessary - if your uterus becomes hyperstimulated and/or your baby shows signs of distress, the drip can be turned down/off immediately. Once you've had the pessary, the outcome is unpredictable and you can't remove it once it's done its job - you just have to wait it out.
nemo thank you, I came across that same thread today too. I was lucky enough to have a long chat with my mum's friend who is a midwife now lecturing on midwifery, lots of great advice and I am now against induction. I was emergency c sec possibly because her head tilted at last minute, I'm not 100% sure to be honest, hopefully consultant will have my notes tomorrow?? Mum's friend recommended rcog.org.uk for info, it's used by midwives and consultants themselves but 'mummy friendly' too apparently off to check it now.... Hope scan went well?
I'll have a look at that website too Kat, thanks. I have to say from everything I've read, induction post C/S sounds like a really bad idea. I guess at least things are becoming a little clearer for you... good luck with the consultant tomorrow, let us know how you get on.
Not much news from here, appt was fine. Baby still massive! Got some good 4D shots, consultant wrote on the scan report "A well grown if very grumpy looking baby!" Cheeky fecker He was right though, the bay did look EXTREMELY grumpy! Ah well, he should get on well with his big sister in that case, who is being a total nightmare. Friends had warned me she'd start pushing the boundaries once we got close to my due date. They weren't wrong...
So anyway, baby's head is still on the 75th centile, tummy still off the scale... estimated weight at 32+2 is 5lb which I guess would lead to 9lb at term but I VERY much doubt that. In fact I would go so far as to say there's no way I believe it. I pointed out to the consultant that T was on the 50th centile for all her scans and came out on the 91st so on that basis this one will be at least 10lb.... urgh. Ouch.
I now have a clinic appt with him on 9th May to discuss the eviction (and have told DH that he WILL be there too on pain of death/divorce/castration etc etc etc) so hopefully that's when a decision will be made... I'll be 35+1 then so still time to get my head around whatever the decision ends up being...
My other niggle is regarding our doula. We have provisionally booked her again, though we haven't signed anything or paid a deposit, but now I don't know what to do. If I have an elcs I don't want to pay £600 for her to hold my hand but equally at this stage I don't know what's going to happen. I don't really want to call her til I've made a decision because I'm pretty sure she'll give me a hard time about contemplating having a c-s and will really talk up the risks of a c-s to the baby... I know there are risks, but childbirth is risky by it's nature, and I don't want to listen to that sort of talk from someone who I know has their own agenda... Any advice ladies? Am thnking I'll talk to my sister about it tomorrow then maybe email her? Though I'm not sure what I'll say....I do seem to manage to make my life complicated don't I?
Promise to be back on here for some less self centred posting soon Love to all.
Consultant was away, waited an hour and saw a 'stand in' was pushy about her explaining my notes from I's birth and she was confident vbac could still be possible but scheduled another scan for 2 weeks time (36weeks) I've also been sent home with a blood glucose test machine so far levels are normal but my finger is sore baby is 4/5 engaged or 4/5 palpable I'm not sure as dr had a strong accent and I was embarrassed to ask her to repeat and she didn't write it down, she said 'you're unusually 4/5 so it's well down in there' ???
Nemo will they keep scanning you now as they are with me? I'd personally let the Doula go but then I'm not a fan of the idea of having anyone other than DH there, a bit shy . A friend of mine had ECS after a previous birth like yours and was very pleased with the control and outcome, it's tricky right!? Speaking from experience of emergency CSection though, recovery is pants!! That said I'm risking it again.
Nemo Any decisions made? Can't help re doula how late can you leave it before booking/cancelling? Although Kat had a bad recovery post emergency cs everyone is different as I seemed to recover quite well although I think my motivation was if i didn't get up and walk ASAP I couldn't get to scbu to see E! I had a couple of infections but nothing I couldn't cope with. But in saying that I didn't have a toddler to cope with either so no useful info there for you I'm afraid
<Wails> Where IS everybody?!?!?!?! Have I killed the thread?!?!
No news here yet, seeing consultant on 9th so guess that'll be D Day so far as a decision is concerned... Have basically convinced myself that in all liklihood I'm in for a 10lb-er with a v quick labour and therefore no pain relief so at the moment I'm hoping for an ELCS at 38 weeks, but we'll see...
What's happening with everyone else? Are you back from h
Buddha thanks. I've specifically requested no spinal puncture and no scbu so we should be fine
Hello!!
Just a quick one to say I'm here!
Hope Alls well in the zoo
Hello ladies !
Back from holiday - had a lovely time. Due date has passed now so am ready to move onwards and upwards . Another AWOL egg for me I'm afraid but am trying to not let it get me down. Acupuncturist has stressed that it is really important not to get stressed, depressed or anxious so it is a new and improved me
I have quickly read through posts - no time to respond properly. Just wanted to say so sorry AF arrived Buddha - TTC sucks when it takes ages .
Nemo It is officially 3 days that you have to stay in after CS here is Scotland, however that was day3 as opposed to 3 full days. I had E on the Weds and day 3 was Fri so got out at lunchtime - does that make sense...? Anyway, don't fret about CS, it can be a quick recovery - I was up and about the same day as op and was able to walk over a mile within 5 days. I am sure that my quick recovery is partly down to the fact that I didn't progress far in labour so it was almost like an elective CS in that I did not have hours of labour prior to op - the people I know who had slow recoveries tend to have had a hard stint of labour beforehand. My SIL has had 1 EMCS and 2 electives - she said elective is WAY better and discharged herself from hospital after 1 night for both ECS. Also I took homeopathic arnica which I am sure helped, so start taking that soon... just in case ! Best get off as tonight is a BD night and I am exhausted so need to save my last scrap of energy for the deed
Murray are you nice and tanned? So very but not about the missing egg has anyone explained why this happens? I'm glad you've got the due date under your belt now, just the birth announcements of your colleagues and then it's plain sailing I still think you are one very strong woman you know
My friend from work with her recent bfp got married last Saturday <hungover> contacted me at 5.40 am on her wedding morning as she was bleeding poor girl was distraught ( as was I to be honest) she just had one bleed no pain and nothing since she's 6.6 wks today and her gp has refused to send her for a scan as its too early????? stupid idiot doctor! she's off to the Maldives on Thursday so she's going to camp down the hospital to see if she can get a reassurance scan. We have no where in Hereford to do it privately either not a great start to married life under all this stress
Hello Buddha ! Lovely to hear from you. Your poor friend . It is quite common to bleed a wee bit early on so hopefully she is fine - I had a few small bleeds with E and a tiny one with Pg2. 7 weeks should be far on enough to see a HB so they should be able to give her reassurance with a scan. How is she supposed to enjoy her honeymoon otherwise !
News from here is that the egg may have arrived - not 100% as went on a hen night on Sat night and got spectacularly drunk so no point taking temp on Sunday as would have been sky high even if pre-ov but all the other signs suggested I had maybe ov'd... then on Monday borderline temp so was and assumed body had failed and was having a pointless anovulatory cycle but then this morning a lovely high 'proper' post ov temp so am just hoping the next couple of days confirm it and then I can start symptom spotting in earnest !
Buddha are you back to the fun part ?....
Marbles where are you in cycle, sorry lost track.
Kat how are glucose levels ? Hope things move quickly for you, promising that baby engaged already !
Nemo any update for us mrs - how you feeling ? What you doing about doula ? Surely you can just put her on hold until your appt on 9th then contact her either way once you know whether you are going to have a c-section or not. You worry too much about things . She is providing a service that you may not need, it is a business transaction so you only pay if you decide you need her - YOUR decision, nothing to do with her. xx
Hope everyone else is ok xx
hi everyone
hope all is well
murray glad you had a good holiday and your egg appears to have arrived also im glad you have passed your EDD too <holds hand>
buddha sorry about your friend and that AF arrived where are you in your cycle? hope you are doing well
hi to everyone else
im on CD15/16 i think and still taking Agnus Castus and BDing we will see though as we are shelving the TTC (again) as it seems DD may have epilepsy she has been having odd episodes where she totally zones out and cant be roused for about 5-10 seconds...i thought she was just ignoring us and noone else had noticed...she kind of stops still, her eyes direct upwards and she blinks alot, and she also smacks her lips like shes eating and it lasted about 5-10 seconds to start with but more recently its happening about twice an hour on average and lasting closer to 15 seconds. its like she isnt there for 15 seconds then she goes back to normal...im freaking out quietly and have poken to the GP who agrees and has referred her to Neuro Paediatrics...
nemo I was in 3 days after CSection, in bed for 1 week, first trip out 3 weeks later, felt pretty normal by 6 weeks and well glued after 4 months (back to yoga).
murray welcome back
buddha your friend has a mean dr! Who coud enjoy a honemoon with that hanging over them
murray fingers crossed they'll be lots of symptoms to check my levels have been pretty normal, more low than high so I'm not worried about that anymore.
marbles that sounds scary! I hope you get an apt soon to check it out, it does sound like what a girl I taught used to do. She was so cool about it all and is now thriving at uni, all independent, but then she was a teenager when she was diagnosed so easier to deal with I imagine. I hope things work out, keep us informed.
I had another scan today (36weeks) baby is 7lb 15!!!! So I'm thinking elective at 39 weeks def on the cards if I can't shift the little elephant before. I am drinking rasberry leaf tea and reading up on epo orally and internally, anyone got any advice for bringing on labour? What about this black and or blue cohosh stuff??? Help much appreciated
Marbles oh no poor S, that sounds so, so scary. You must be so worried . How does S feel about the episode afterwards ? Is she aware ? You seem to be having quite a run of bad luck, I have no helpful advice, just big big hugs xx
Kat oh dear that is a large baby.. fingers crossed for an early arrival. I know you may not much fancy it but sex is supposed to work due to the jigginess stimulating the uterus and also the sperm apparently help to ripen the cervix... worth a try if you really want to shift the wee blighter . I will channel some contraction vibes your way
News from here is that I had a lovely high temp today so am officially on the 2ww - symptoms on either 2/4 dpo (not sure due to boozy hen night) are very slightly sore boobs every so often and mild (but definite) cramps on and off. I know that both of these are caused by hormones and just because the egg is fertilised does not guarantee success so I will just have to wait.... arrgghhh not great when you are this impatient. Having said that, my mood is soooooo good during the 2ww as there is hope and I am so delighted to have finally ov'd - the trouble is when AF arrives I have a long way to fall, but I'm remaining positive
Marbles Another worry to add to your load Poor S although I dont suppose she's aware of what's happening. I hope you get your referral soon. I used to work with a girl who had epilepsy and as well as the zoning out another sign that a fit was on its way was she would get v aggressive and sarcastic. We worked at a hotel and she was breakfast waitress do when a man complained about his eggs she got right in his face and said "I only laid the table not the fucking eggs" she did have about that later when we told her I can understand why you've put ttc on hold for the time being. Let's hope it's not for too long
Murray Woo hoo hurray for ov ! I've everything crossed for you. You sound do organised with your military ttc more do than me! I've not done opk's this month just decided to swi from day 11 onwards this is our last cycle before my birthday so no pressure
Nemo Come back and let us know how your getting on
Forgot to say my friend got a scan at the hospital day before going to on honeymoon and they found a hb so pleased for her, at least she can have a good time away relaxing.
murray Sex with spd...ouch but you're right it's what everyone says
Kat Sorry I missed you how about lots of pineapple? The blue/black cohash can have some nasty side effects to you and/or baby might be best to avoid that one. Acupuncture is another one? Less painful than spd sex
buddha dont sweat it good news about your friend! I had a lot of early scans this time after scares, it's the only thing that calmed my mind. Do you think pineapple juice (not from concentrate) might work? I heard you need to eat 7 pineapples to make a difference??!
Not feeling great today, nausea and many trips to the loo maybe baby will make an appearance!!? That would be fine I'm sure I'm 36+2 but 37 weeks by ov date!
Ooh Kat that DOES sound as if baby is ready to make an appearance - bang on time if 37 weeks by your dates - fingers crossed and good luck !
All good here - acpuncturist said hormone levels look good and gave me permission to "try for pregnant" next cycle... hmmm ! I have to admit that I was trying and he did not seem very impressed ! I made it clear at the outset that I was trying after my 1st cycle was over but clearly he missed that ! Anyway, have had spotting yesterday and today so feeling positive . If only my LP is long enough this cycle....
murray I took 50miu of B6 to lengthen my lp and that was the cycle I fell pg, have you read about it?
I'm still here, popped 1000mg epo in both ends last night and had s teeny bit if ewcm like stuff in morning, hoping it might be a big of my plug managed an awkward attempt at a bit of how's your father this eve and feeling cramps....fingers crossed I can bring this baby on naturally in the next 2 weeks, need to flip it though as its posterior as was I any tips?
Thanks for the tip Kat - I am on it. I am already taking B100 (which contains a high dose of all B vits) and D3 and VitC with added zinc. Pre-ov I also take Vit E and EPO so I am rattling. Been taking these for about 5 months so hopefully they will do the trick this month and keep LP long enough... fingers crossed
I am beyond impressed with you DTD at this stage and with SPD - a real trooper ! I hope your effort is not in vain and the baby makes an arrival soon - good luck xx
Still here! Lots of twinges and lost some jelly bits which I'm hoping are bits of a show
Hello all, sorry for not posting for so long. I managed half a post when DH took DD out on sat aft but then fell asleep before posting it I looked at it again later and it was pretty dull so I didn't bother sending it!
Glad to hear everyone's surviving, Murray & Buddha I'm keeping everything crossed for your 2ww's, when is D Day for you both?
Marbles any more news on DD? What a year you've had
Kat good luck with the eviction Think I'll srart something similar from 38 weeks, am a bit worried about baby having breathing problems before that, wet lung etc. Have been reading up on the NICE guidelines on the advice of a retired gp I know & it seems both 38 and then 39 weeks are v significant in terms of lung development. When do they want to section you if no appearance?
So news from here is that consultant's appt was yesterday. Found the whole thing quite emotional to be honest.... Advice is no section but he's put in my notes that I need the most experienced midwife and to be offered an early epidural, though that assumes we get there in time... He would do a section at around 39 weeks if I decide I want one, but it would be based on psychological reasons rather than physical. Feeling quite emotional about the whole thing, think he was going to say basically no need for a section at all til I started crying then he changed his mind. Have told him if it turns out to be a 12lb baby I'm going to find out where he lives and J is going to fire bomb his house....
Think J thinks we should follow the consultant's advice, he was pretty definite that he reckons a v birth would be better for me, reckons there's not much in it for the baby. Feeling a bit of pressure from friends and family, know they only want what's best for me, but literally everyone I've spoken to since the appt apart from my gp friend (who has said cons advice sounds sensible) has said HAVE A SECTION!!!!!
Am going to speak to the cons again at some point, he said he thinks baby will be big but not off the chart, (wouldn't give me an estimated weight) and I would like to know why he thinks not off the chart. I said I was thinking 10lb ish and he didn't contradict me....
It's really tough to know what to do for the best but deep down I don't really feel a section is the way to go, so will just have to hope I'm right and that the f-ing anaesthetist is available when I need him!! Will be BLOODY proud of myself if i manage to get this baby out naturally without ripping myself to shreds!! xx
hi ladies
kat hopefully the jelly is a show and you can get on with evicting the baby
nemo glad alls well with you i reckon going with your gut is the best way to go. if you feel like a V birth is better suited forhow you feel...go for it. equally the option is available for a section at 39 weeks and we will be here to hash out the pros and cons with you if you need a sounding board...how long is left now for you?
hello to all the other ladies
i finally had my appointment for my shoulder pain...possibly surgical but need to see a consultant and have physio first. also tendonitis and lupus related so i should be gettin g somewhere to have it fixed soon
DD has her referral to neuro paeds on my birthday! it was on 15th june but i didnt feel it was very good to have to wait 5 weeks so asked for an earier appt and the earliest was 28th may...happy 30th to me but it was either that or the 13th june and DD comes first (obviously) so my birthday it is then she has had a few more episodes, one big one in the bath and another in the middle of the road so it needs investigating... she fell down the stairs about 2 weeks ago too and it has made me think maybe that is what caused it as if she was stepping down the step and went absent...she may have missed the step without knowing as she rolled down the stairs and had no idea how it happened. its weird seeing it happen.
in other news i start a new job on monday! its a well paid HR job...the woman liked my Cv and phone conversations with me so much she offered me the job without a formal interview... i have left my shitty job in preparation for the good one on monday!! so excited!
AF is due at the weekend and i am symptom spotting like mad
Nemo well done for making yourself heard
I'm yet to discuss c sec with consultant and have recently heard of some women meeting residence at Epsom even with a breech baby!!! So I have no idea how my apt on the 18th will go wish DH could be there, he's missed all of the appointments with this pg owing to most being in the dreaded exam/coursework period at school! Not good at fighting my corner, any volunteers to come with me?
marbles better to have that early apt for dd definitely, it would be good to speak to an expert and feel like things are being looked in to. Congrats on the job!!
Reflexologist due over in 5 min, wish I hadn't had that bag of chips bleaugh!!! My sis let rip once during an apt; apparently not uncommon
Evening ladies !
Kat good luck with reflexology, hope it works for you.I had it the night before I was due to be induced and I did start cramping through the night but then it all stopped - but it may have kicked things off if they'd left me in peace instead of inducing me... fingers crossed for you xx
Nemo sounds like in your heart of hearts you know that v-birth is best for you. you sound happier with this outcome and less stressed out than when you thought you were heading down the section route. I have to say that if it does come down to a section in the end it is not a 'bad' option - it is just not as 'ideal' as a v-birth. Ultimately your wee boy has to get out somehow and as long as he is safe that is the main thing. Hugs xx
marbles well done on your new job mrs - let us know how you get on . Good on you getting an earlier appt for S - poor wee button, can't believe she had an episode on the road and possible fell down stairs due to a fit - the sooner she gets treated the better. So, come on, share your symptoms !
Well not good news from me - despite a 3 day implantation bleed between 7-10 dpo and really sore boobs the last 2 days AF arrived early this afternoon - gutted . Today is 11dpo - I usually have a LP of 13 days so MC has well and truly messed up my body. I'm going to try another cycle with acupuncture alone and if the same happens again I am going to look in natural progesterone cream to help lengthen LP. Am really fed up about the whole thing, it is moments like these that I get really frustrated that the cord got tangled and my wee boy died, if that had not have happened I'd have a newborn baby now and would not be going through this torture . Also, I am going to visit my friend who was due at the same time as me with her wee boy next week - I have to admit that I felt fine about going safe in the knowledge that I'd be PG and have good news to share, not looking forward to the visit at all now. However, onwards and upwards - I have a night out this Sat and next Sat so at least I can get p!ssed .
murray looks like we are cycle buddies AF arrived this afternoon for me too ah well I'm Agnus castus popping from Saturday and I'm going to BD with abandon this cycle...
Murray Sorry af arrived like you I thought it sounded hopeful. I thought min of 10 dpo was ok for lp? Anything less was a worry? Mine is normally only 10 perhaps I should be doing something about it? good luck visiting your friend and her newborn it's gonna be hard there's no denying that but maybe the thought will be worse than the actual doing ifyswim. I'm sure it won't be long before you can share good news with her
Marbles I thought ttc was on hold sorry af got you too but sounds like you have a plan for next month
Kat Any news?
Nemo only you can decide what to do my lovely and as I said before you put your foot down for whatever you want. I'm sure you'd have no problems being assertive
Well af is due Wednesday but had spotting this afternoon ffs that's a very short lp not sure what's going on with my crap old body!
hi buddha
sorry about the spotting but if Af isnt due until wed...implantation spotting maybe? jus' sayin' TTC is on hold but we are not preventing anything IYSWIM
hope all is well
Buddha if I were you I'd be hyper at the thought of imp spotting as it sounds far more likely thsn mega-short LP . I have had imp spotting with both PGs (and last 2 cycles when I'm convinced I confirmed but shitty hormones messed it all up). I am truly crossing everything for you mrs :-)
Am going to quiz acpuncturists tmrw about what he can do to sort this nonsense out, could be interesting with language barrier issue ! Also decided to take decisive action and make GP appt on the hope they test progesterone levels but can't get one for love nor money grrr.... Have to call first thing on mon for a chance of appt in 2 weeks, just as well it is not urgent !!!
Sorry to disappoint ladies but it's af early I'm really p'd off this time after swi from day 11 to 19 thought we'd catch it but it does mean one more cycle before my birthday in fact af due on my birthday now!! So I'm either going to be one very happy 40 year old or moody as shit god help dh
sorry AF arrived buddha looks as if the three of us will be testing all at the same time though! <high fives cycle buddies> every cloud eh!?
Yey I've never had two cycle buddies before!
Moomin Hows the head?
HEYYYY MOOMIN!! welcome back!!
Welcome back Moomin, lovely to see you . What is your news ?
Buddha so sorry AF arrived, it is so rubbish isn't it, especially when you thought you were in with a good chance .
Hurray for the 3 of us being cycle buddies , I suspect with my wonky AWOL eggs I'll be testing about a week after you ladies (assuming you both have 28 day cycles). We can SWI and symptom spot together
I spoke to acupuncturist about shortened LP and he did not think it was an issue - he said some ladies have 8 high temps, others have 15 and it makes little difference to chance to getting PG. I told him about my imp bleed and he didn't seem to think it was relevant - pretty sure he thinks I'm a nutter now ! He started banging on about corpeus luteum but not sure exactly what he meant - communication can be a struggle ! I now have 3 bags of herbs per day - he quizzed me about AF and was not impressed that it was bright red and had clots so said I need more herbs to deal with this 'issue' FFS ! I have some to dry fry, then add to the ones I boil into a 'tea' then I have powdered ones to swallow (they taste like cinnamon so quite tasty actually). I think I have developed a taste for these crazy, stinky herbs, I don't mind them as much anymore which is just as well as my kitchen stinks of them permanently ! The lengths us ladies go to in order to fall pregnant !
Nemo how are you feeling mrs ?
Marbles Think I forgot to congratulate you on your new job, clever girl hope your first day went well
Murray Oh my I don't like the sound of your herbs, I only just about remember my folic acid I'd be hopeless at anything else. How did the visit to your friend go?
I've decided I'm going back to Chubb club after my birthday, give me something else to concentrate on rather than ttc well that's the plan anyway! Maybe I can get distracted losing weight and then put it on for an entirely different reason
How come some people just don't get the whole "I want a baby" scenario?
I just mentioned to my mum who works with me that I was sick to death of all these youngsters coming in announcing they're pregnant etc. her reply " well you've got one!"
Both myself and my sister were mistakes and unplanned so she's never been broody. I felt like I was on aibu so I've come for some reassurance
I'm not being unreasonable am I?
Buddha you are most definitely NOT alone - I completely understand. It is perfectly reasonable to feel that way about PG announcements when you so desperately want one yourself.
Also, the urge to have #2 is really strong as it is for your DC as much as yourself (well in my case anyway). I really don't want him to be an only child, it breaks my heart to think he may be lonely growing up if I can't give him a sibling.
I was actually going to pop on with some 'top tips' I have gathered in my latest trawl of research into fertility. None of it is rocket science or scary and it fits well with your plans to lose weight Buddha. Basically the top foods which help fertility and MC avoidance are:
peppers
grapefruit (this apparently really helps)
broccoli, cauliflower, spinach, kale, bok choy
salad leaves, radish
oats, flaxseed (I mix ground flaxseeds in with my porridge)
nuts & seeds (esp brazil nuts)
milk and cheese
and as far as possible eat everything bran/wholemeal/organic
Avoid transfats and refined sugar. So, there we are my guide to getting PG with the side benefit of losing weight in prep for getting fat !!! simples
Also, taking a conception multivit is highly recommended - I don't but then I take most of what is in those multivits individually <rattle, rattle>.
Buddha have you considered acupuncture ?... I know I am biaised because I am doing it and I have to believe it is making a difference but I ahve been doing a lot of reading up on its effects on fertility and it is quite amazing - esp for women in their 40s (sorry !) who have been told that they have no chance and tried several rounds of IVF then they try acupuncture and bingo !
I know it is a big step and I will have put you off with my herb chat but maybe something worth considering if it doesn't work naturally (not that acupuncture is unnatural ifkwim !) over the next few months. However, hopefully once you have followed my genius diet above you will be bursting full of baby in no time !
Where is everyone else, Marbles how is your job ? Moomin where's your chat ?... Nemo how you feeling mrs ? Kat had a baby yet ?
evening ladies
buddha i agree! you are most deinitely NOT alone i have learned to ignore the "what dya need another baby for?" comments and the "when are you going to have another?" and the "its selfish to allow a child to stay an only" aswell the urge to have a baby is stronger once you have one already IMO...you have the biological push to have a baby, the logical push for a smaller age gap etc, the emotional push for you, your DS, your DH to add to your lovely family...its so much more acute when you know what you are aiming for (DISCLAIMER: in no way am i saying its not hard going for your first we ALL know it sucks big time)
murray do you play a tune when you walk? you need to change your name to gomaracas i too am rattling!i am on my normal meds (asprin and thyroxine) and im also taking 2 agnus castus per day (it should be 2 morning and 2 night but mood swings ahoy so i cut back) vitamin D3 spray, 2 vit B complex and folic acid...i really notice the difference if i miss a day too... how are you? getting geared up for BD time?
hello to everyone else lurking
i started my new job today it went so well!! i am so happy with it! it is unfortunately a short term contract but it will be FANTASTIC CV fodder i will hopefully get something longer term from this aswell if not in the same office
Hello all
Congrats on the new job Marbles I'm so glad it's going well, about time something went your way! How's DD? It sucks that her appt is on your 30th but I would have done exactly the same in your position. What time is it? Is there any chance you can do something nice with her afterwards or will you have to rush straight back to work?
Buddha at all the insensitive comments. What is wrong with people?!? As soon as it has anything to do with pregnancy or childbirth people seem to think they have the right to comment, maybe because they were children themselves once so they think they know what they're talking about?! You may have seen from my fb satus a while ago I was getting pretty sick of all the comments about my size. A friend who's a couple of weeks behind me had a great conversation with a shop assistant the other day:
Shop Girl: how many weeks have you got to go?
My friend: another 7 weeks
Shop girl: wow you're MASSIVE!!
My friend: yeah, that's incredibly rude
Shop girl: oh, sorry, I didn't mean to be rude
My friend: well you were. <Turns on heel, leaves shop> Good for her I say!!
On the topic of acupuncture, I'm still having it but not as much as I'd like/I should due to the cost - £45 an hour.... I was meant to have an appt tomorrow aft but I've cancelled it due to lack of childcare and lack of funds - I went on a spa day with a friend on Monday (which was GLORIOUS!) and ended up buying a load of new make up brushes, so all future spending has had to be curtailed... Though saying that, I'm off to John Lewis to be measured for bras later then I'm going o do the big Boots/Mothercare shop which I doubt will be cheap Bad Nemo.....
Anyway, what I was going to say was that I'm pretty sure the success rate for women doing ivf with acupuncture is significantly higher than those without, so I really do think there's something to what murray's saying.
Have you thought about drugs like clomid to help ttc? Would you consider talking to your gp about it? Especially if you're worrying about your age being a factor as well. Just a thought.
Kat good luck for your appt on Friday, you seem to have had very mixed messages from the hcp's about what they think is best for you.... Although saying that, I suppose I have too.... Sorry I can't come along with you, do you have a friend who might be able to come? I hope you're not going to have to take DD?
So here's my (current) irrational worry. I'm really worried that I'll struggle to bond with a massive baby who doesn't look like a newborn.... Photos of 10-11lb babies terrify me. Especially if he does me loads of damage on the way out.... I don't want to skip the newborn phase, I mentioned to my gp that I hadn't bought any newborn clothes and she said good plan but he prob won't be in 0-3 for long, best get some 3-6!!! I know it sounds awful but I'm really worried about having some freak show child who's outgrown his Moses basket by the end of the first week.... Does that sound horrendously ungrateful? I know how lucky I am to be having another baby at all, but this size thing is really freaking me out....
In other news, I emailed the doula and told her thanks but no thanks. She emailed back saying that was absolutely fine and she totally understood, it was a really nice email, and I thought yippee! Sorted! But then I got a voicemail from her saying she's extremely concerned about me and she really wants to talk to me.... I just can't face it. I've managed to avoid her so far, though she's emailed again. I'm such a moron, I should just get it over with then I could stop worrying about it.....
Right. Better get in the shower, am making the most of my child free day, I have an eye test and a contact lens check up before my bra fitting appointment - you can't say I don't know how to live!!
Love to all, <waves> to those I haven't mentioned and the lurkers (come back soon, we miss you!) xx
Just popping by to say been in early labour for 24 hours+ being kept in hosp due to big baby/previous section. Contractions stopped last night, so they will prob break waters/give a teeny bit of hormone drip and failing that section today!! wish me luck
Being sent home
Kat How exciting good luck
Murray Thanks for good advice I'm going to write down the foods you've suggested thankfully there's lots I already eat.
Nemo Hope you didn't spend too much on bras!! I can't believe your doula is hassling you, she knows your feeling anxious so that's just downright mean! I am sure you will love your little boy regardless of his size but you did make me laugh with your worries
Thanks for reassuring me that I'm not being unreasonable. Unfortunately the third person who was trying at work (my boss) has told me today she's pregnant. Queue floods of tears from me she also told me that there are 2 others I don't know about yet who will be going public shortly - I don't want to work here anymore
Ladies ! So much chat
Kat how awful being sent home, but surely it will be in the next day or 2 (which probably seems like forever given you had your sights set on today), keep us posted xx
Nemo you are hilarious with your constant worrying ! Of course you will love your baby - even if he is 10lb he will still be tiny and all curled up and beautiful and he'll be YOURS ! You will love him to bits, stop being so mental ! Just call the doula back and see why is she is worried or email her and ask her - don't let it stress you out.
Buddha oh no that is so tough for you that everyone else just seems to be falling PG at the drop of a hat. I totally understand . I know it sounds hard but please try to stay as positive as possible. I cannot tell you how much importance my Acupunturuist puts on not getting down/negative/stressed/anxious. He says it can play havoc with your hormones and does nothing to aid pregnancy. Keep your chin up, your time will come mrs and when it does it will be the right time for you.
Here is one of the sites I have been reading about acupuncture and fertility - maybe give you some things to consider:
http://www.the-fertility-acupuncturist.com/
Also, the one about vitamins and foods to take to help get PG and avoid MC is here:
https://sites.google.com/site/miscarriageresearch/
Apologies if you are not the type of person who likes to read too much about a subject (I am !) just ignore it if you are .
The websites may give you some ideas about steps to take to help out - I know that it helps me stay positive knowing that I am doing all that I can . Chin up mrs, I know it is hard xx
Well my news is that I went to see my friend and her teeny baby today - he is sooo cute ! It all went very well - no tears until I was leaving - when she told me that when her DS was born that they told her that he had a very long cord - at that point she burst into tears, which set me off briefly. However, it was so good to hear that a long cords doesn't mean the end - very positive indeed , so I am even more boosted by that info. Plus I am bursting full of fruit, veg and vitamins, never been healthier ! I am determined that I will maintain a PMA this cycle and hope that it helps. Also, cuddling a newborn is supposed to make you fertile (Old Wive's Tale) but I'm happy to think of it as a good omen .
Moomin you tempted us with chat then disappeared - where are you ?
Murray I believe that about holding a newborn!
buddha no plan just a prick of a dr contradicting everything said by drs the night before!
My back is killing me, baby is back to back 3/5 in pelvis, I'm at least 2cm dilated and cervix is anterior and very soft and stretchy, unusually so apparently but im home because my contractions weren't painful enough!!!! Surely thats relative, I have a high pain threshold!! The drs I saw last night said they would help progress the labour but the dick I saw this morning said he wouldn't interfere regardless of baby's size I truly believe the difference was last night I saw women, today, a man! I'm so sorry to rant, please skim this I just needed to vent
Kat sorry the Dr was a prick! IME alot of male Drs are the same...if they had to do it (labour and childbirth) they would have figured out a way we would have to do it i would walk up and down the stairs a few times...go for a brisk walk, have some pineapple and hot curry...(ever helpful me) OR sit down and have a nice rest if you can {{{hugs}}}
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Kat sorry to hear things aren't progressing as you would hope, fingers crossed for some action today!! How frequent/intense are the cntractions you're having? Good luck with that high pain threshold btw, I'm sorry but that did make me How many weeks are you today? Will you still go to your appointment today or have events rather overtaken that now?
Murray am in awe of your PMA, you're doing so fantastically well! You're so strong to go and see your friend and her newborn, it would have been very easy to hide yourself away (which is probably what I would have done ) and I'm glad you found some comfort in knowing that long chords and negative outcomes don't have to go together.
Buddha I think for me finding out the news of other people's pregnancies was the single hardest thing post mc, especially for people who just seemed to fall at the drop of a hat.... I'm afraid I have no real words of wisdom but if there's anything I can do you kow where I am, and I hope all the support from mn is helping too. << hugs>>
So news from here is that. Had my 36 week mw appt last night (36+3 today). Despite the fact that the baby's head was only 1/5 palpable (so 4/5 in pelvis) I was still measuring 2weeks big for dates (the baby being so low should make you measure smaller as the measurement doesn't include most of his head...). She reckons we're def looking at double figures weight wise.... She suggested I ask the consultant to give written permission for the mw's to do an early sweep so I'm going to call him today and see what he thinks... He'll prob say no... She also suggested lots of sex, with it specifically focusing on me having a good time!! I told her i wasn't sure that was physically possible, and DH was a bit when I told him, but give him his due, he stepped up to the plate (as it were ) and put his talents to good use last night . However, for a while I thought it might have actually done the trick, I ended up being up tip about 2 feeling v twingy but no contractions. Feel like crap today, but still no contractions, just sort of sore and v uncomfortable. Sadly no show or other promising sign...
Am meant to be packing my hosp bag today as we're off to spend a few days at my parents place in Dorset on Sunday (plus going to a wedding on sat) so I figured I ugly to take a bag with me, just in case. Am looking forward to having DH to help with DD though part of me is (irrationally) a bit worried about going as its 45 mins to the nearest hosp which is my mother's helpful comments about me having a 2 hour labour this time round are right, is rather too long...
Anyway. Enough rambling.
Good luck Kat if you're reading this!!
Have I killed the thread?!?! Where'd everybody go.....??
Nemo do you still have c sec on your notes? If so keep it there it would seem that getting them to agree to it at a later date is impossible!!!! At least then you will have a choice. Im 38 weeks 3 days now and still home in discomfort.
'tightenings' are every 15 min sometimes 5 tthey wake me up so I'm exhausted, they get very strong with movement/walking or should I say waddling, but will not increase in intensity! I am sure this is due to baby being back to back and head too far from cervix due to size that there's not enough pressure. Had a sweep and dr said it was happening so wouldn't book c sec there's 2 week wait. I got fobbed off and just want to cry!!!!
ooo looks like we will have a new member in the zoo very soon then kat if you can, sit straddling a chair watching Tv to encourage the baby to move position- i did this with DD and she moved round to being on the left hand side rather than back to back. it might help move things along so you get a VBAC but without the BTB part of it
hope everyone is doing well...
new job is GREAT im excited for wrk on a daily basis!! makes a difference!!
A 2ww for a c section?!? The world's gone mad!! Hope things get moving for you v soon Kat, if they haven't already... At least at 38.5 weeks LO shouldn't be too huge...
Marbles am so pleased you're enjoying the new job, about time something went yor way! Really hope this is the start of a whole new positive trend for you.
News from here is... No news
Evening ladies ! Just popping in to see if there is a new baby yet. Hopefully no news from Kat means it is all happening or has happened already .
Marbles ditto what Nemo said - so glad you are enjoying your work, long may it last. Maybe your luck is about to turn - I really hope so.
Like Nemo no news from here - feeling good, taking my stinky herbs and eating fruit and veg by the truckload. About to start the 'fun bit' - hurray !
Nemo Are you back home yet? Hope you weren't too stressed at being 45 mins away from a hospital Is monster baby still growing
Kat Still nothing? Like Nemo I can't believe that there is a two week wait for CS
Murray Thank you for the links, I've been doing some reading, loved the first w/site but the second one got a bit indepth for me although I have to say I loved the part that said chocolate can avert a miscarriage I've just joined new healthcare and I think accupuncture is covered in that, got the details today so will have a good read in bed and see if I can book a session. Failing that I know I can have an indian head massage which is something I always wanted to try and will reduce my stress too.
Due to OV in the next few days, starting to feel pressured already I hate all this ttc rubbish, maybe I should just steal a baby look out Kat and Nemo I might come for yours
I don't know where all my time goes. I'm sorry it's taken me so long to write.
Kat Any news? Hope things get moving for you soon. I had a similar thing happen with J. I didn't go into hospital and get examined but I had regular (non painful) contractions every five mins for ages. I think it's all working to getting baby into the right position. I was very high but he was born in forty mins once labour got going. You just need your waters to break and then you'll be off. Good luck!
Nemo How was your break? How many weeks and days now? I'm desperate to see a bump pic! Let me tell you about my friend. Her first DS (she was huge and they did a growth scan and said baby was only a 7lber) was delivered by emcs and weighed in at 10lb 8. Her second DS (they scanned her and said he was going to be an 11lber) was born by vbac and was less than 8lb. Stop letting them terrify you. Repeat to yourself I am going to be just fine. J weighed 7 ounces more than L and it was a much easier delivery. If you do go for a v-birth, I'd def consider having him in the birth pool. I'm convinced the water prevented damage. And you'll bond with him no matter what size he is. There's something very special about being the mum to a son.
Bhudda Deep breathe. There's no pressure. You've never had any trouble getting pg before so there's no reason to start worrying yet. Are you doing OV sticks? Temping? FF? Any charts to nose out? E okay? How's the sleep going? We're still very hit and miss.
Murray Hello beautiful lady. How are you doing? I'm so pleased you the visit to you friend and new baby went okay. It must have been very difficult for you. I'm sorry I haven't been around to support you more. I tend to lurk on phone but find it impossible to respond from app. You can always get me on FB though if you need to chat. I'd love to be at one of your sessions - I have this huge comedy sketch in my head of your strong scot accent and the acupuncturists(?) broken english. You're sounding super healthy. Good luck with the 'fun bit'.
Marbles Yey for new job. Sounds like you've been having a really tough time recently. Have you got a consultant who specialises in Lupus? Did they diagnose from bloods or by ultrasounds and xrays too? Don't be afraid to push for more support. Really hope the app with S goes well. Please keep us informed.
Have I missed anything else?
News here is that life is stupidly busy. I'm only working 3-5 days a week (rarely 5) but life with the kids, school run, menial household tasks, birthday parties, L's activities...... I have every other weekend to myself since the separation but I feel as though I'm getting everything ready for D's weekend with the kids and then catching up on the weekend (washing, ironing, shopping, cleaning, behaviour) for a week afterwards. I'm not moaning. It's great to have some time to myself - It's never happened before. I miss them like mad when I'm away but I'm finally making an effort to see friends and look after myself.
Everything with D is very amicable. He's still living her (in the loft). We do things with the kids and eat together frequently and we still goss. I don't know when we'll finalise things. Everything seems to be working as it is so far but I guess we can't stay married together. I'm hoping an inevitable divorce won't make everything turn sour.
J is a lunatic. L is very cheeky and doesn't stop talking. They adore each other and annoy each other equally. She usually gets the telling off (not easy being the eldest). I haven't said anything about the separation. She thinks we have alternate weekends to have a break and that D sleeps in the loft because he snores. She's doing really well at school though I do feel like I'm having to give her additional stuff at home to keep her challenged. Not sure we made the right decision sending her to a school with 60 kids in each year but I'm relieved I'm not having to pay out for school fees. I think we made the right decision there.
I'm likely to be working FT in September. Not looking forward to it but needs must. I'll start looking for a nursery place and CM for Joe in the next few weeks. I've left it a bit late.
Health wise, I'm waiting to see a rhumatologist. I'm not as fatigued and dizzy but still having lots of muscle/joint pain and twitching. It's annoying but I'm not as anxious about it as I was.
Huge post. Bet I just killed the thread....
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moomin what a thorough catch up! You are good. I've heard from a lot of people that they had a week or two of regular mild contractions before labour, and if it speeds things up I suppose I should be thankful.
marbles how lovely to enjoy your work! I loved teaching and there's something so rewarding (and rare) about loving work
Buddha stealing babies perhaps hang out in the ward at Epsom, I heard an ungrateful girl screaming that she'd rather die than continue in labour grrr Good luck this month.
murray enjoy the fun
Nemo yes not too big, probably 9.7 lb this week.
Well as you can see I'm still hanging in there, waddling like a duck as baby is now fully engaged and unfortunatly completely back t back which I rare according to midwife I saw last night??? had them check on baby again, hb good movements still which they've told me to keep a close eye on. Had 2 sweeps now, lost plug yesterday, painful contractions last night and a massivve burst of energy today, so who knows!!?
Got told I should have contacted diabetes clinic as had 4 high readings, I obviously didn't listen properly when they gave me the kit anyone know what I should be doing differently if I had gd??
Moomin how lovely to hear from you properly - what a sterling effort posting such a mammoth post ! In return for your comedy sketch about me and my acupuncturist I have a comedy image of D living in a tiny empty room in the attic and only being allowed out every other weekend ! Sorry, I know your situation is not funny but the image is there and I can't shake it... Great to hear your 2 gorgeous nippers are doing so well - clever L !!! You do well to live in the same house and conduct a civil relationship for the sake of the children - many people would struggle - I really admire that.
Kat what a nightmare for you - this really is dragging on. FWIW I also know several friends who had the 'on and off' contractions for up to a week then their baby appeared quite promptly once it all kicked off - one within 2 hours, the other took 4 but her waters didn't break - baby born in membranes ! Also, they both had water births . Equally I have heard of 3 women who had 2nd at home as it happened soooo quickly, so if you don't much fancy that be on high alert for things picking up pace.. all the best and I am sure we will hear tomorrow
Buddha don't feel the pressure, just feel the looove ! That's what I intend to do tonight . I have a fair bit if EWCM today but if like previous cycles then it will come and go for over a week before the egg finally graces me with its presence ! No harm in starting the fun though, I am ever hopeful that acupuncture and my super-ovulation diet will coax that pesky egg out earlier this cycle ! For info I am eating grapefruit every morning which is supposed to help with EWCM and oestrogen (a surge of which is required for ov), also flaxseeds which help avoid anovulatory cycles and EPO which also helps generate EWCM. Along with my fruit and veg stall meals I am the healthiest I've ever been - BRING IT ON !!!
Murray He has to go to work too <opens door>
Cheers moomin good to know and I agree with Murray full of admiration I don't think I'd be so mature
buddha epo truly is amazing, and your diet sounds great!! I shall get back to healthy eating myself one day, I hear it's good for you
Just a quickie back later for catch up (Moomin about bloody time )
I found who number 3 of the 4 pregnant women at work is ( just call me super sleuth) she is still going outside for at least 6 fag breaks every day. Makes my blood boil I won't even have a diet coke coz of the caffeine but she's happily puffing away <storms off to shower muttering about ungrateful pregnant people>
Buddha not fair! I remember commenting rudely on a fb status whilst TTC as 'friend' was whining about missing booze. Perfectly understandable reaction to fag break pg colleague.
We thought things were kicking off (again) last night, contractions were every 5 min for 2 hours and 'take-your-breath-away' painful, wrapping around front and back. But woke at 2am to pee and were back to the 'tightenings' I've been feeling for a week and this morning felt a big 'gush' but was just very thin mucus (sorry ) is this normal? Everything is so different to labour with I.
Kat Sorry no help with labour I'm a too posh to push bird like Frazzle never experienced anything to do with labour apart from waters breaking
But it does sound as if things are getting ready for the big event.
Will post later with more personals
Consultant apt on fri was productive for first time!!!! I think having DH there makes a difference, they look at him, then me, then the notes from growth scans and finally get what I'm saying about size of baby! long story short; induction by arom booked for wed! They'd have done it on fri but head had disengaged so risk of cord prolapse so went for next available date; wed. That said I'm sat here wincing again so may not be needed hello to all, hope you U.K era are enjoying the sun!?
Not a proper post but just wanted to say I'm still here!
Kat glad your appointment went well, at least you now have a date when things should hopefully get moving, and I'm glad having DH with you helps. Weirdly it would probably have the opposite effect for me as my DH is quite slight, so who knows where these whopping babies come from in my case... How many weeks etc will you be on Wednesday? You must be pretty much term?
Buddha & about your work colleagues.... Some people just have no idea how lucky they are....but still smoking is OUTRAGEOUS. I remember seeing obviously pg women smoking outside the hospital when I went in for my erpc. Vile.
Murray hope all that healthy eating has given you lots of energy, sounds like you need it!!
Moomin SO good to see you back here! It sounds like you're doing as well as you can be in the circumstances, but blimey it sounds tough.... Big respect to you lady xx
Totally paranoid about going into labour tonight as DH would almost certainly miss the birth if I do, he's sailing for the weekend (), he went yesterday, back tomorrow. Imagine my delight....
Nemo still here? Hope you didn't go into labour alone!? I had that fear on the 18th as DH was absent then. I'll be 39+6 on wed so yeah pretty much baked
Sorry I didn't get back for my catch up. Off on holiday today, Isle of Wight here we come Officially on 2ww but decided I'm not going to be all anal careful about what I eat or drink as I normally am coz af will arrive and then I'll be gutted I didn't enjoy my holiday
Nemo Still in one piece? Did you sort the doula after?
Kat Looks like your little one is going to tease you about their arrival for a while yet
Moomin Lovely to "see" you. I too admire your domestic set up, brilliant that it's working for you, long may it last (or until you want it to end)
Hope everyone else is ok? Enjoying the sunshine
happy sunday ladies
kat and nemo ooooooo not long left now!!
buddha have a lovely time in the Isle of Wight i say eat what you want and tempt fate im doing exactly that this cycle!
hope everyone else is doing well
Hope everyone has had a lovely weekend. mine has been very nice its my 30th birthday tomorrow so we have had alot of family visiting and went out for a lovely meal last night with our parents (DH, DD and I). DH surprised me by ringing in advance and arranging for an icecream sundae topped with candles to be brought out to me with the lights off and spotlight on me and all the staff and my family all singing happy birthday to me it was lovely!!
Hello ladies - so much chat, love it !
nemo hope your wee boy stayed put over the weekend
Kat good news about induction date but this really has been a veeery drawn out process for you - hope it goes VERY quickly when it does happen, you deserve not to have to wait any longer.
Marbles happy birthday to you and good luck with DD's appt tmrw. That is so sweet of you DH organising a wee surprise like that for you . Hope you are spoiled rotten tomorrow xx
Buddha enjoy your holiday and you are quite right to relax and not act 'as if' PG on your 2ww - more likely to get lucky if you are relaxed . Pop back after your hols and let us know your symptoms.
well as predicted I am still waiting for the egg to arrive despite EWCM starting on CD11/12 - as per previous cycles it has been patchy which is driving me insane. I get loads then get mild cramps and it dries up so I expect to see temp rise but NOTHING, then it all starts over again. I am (yet again) convinced it has happened today but no doubt tomorrow will be another disappointment and temp will remain low - arrghhh ! I actually find this part of my cycle the most frustrating and am constantly looking for signs, getting hopes up then they are dashed grrr.... Anyway on CD17 so hopefully soon
Happy 30th birthday Marbles have a fantastic time celebrating
Murray what are your eggs playing at?? they keep messing with your head it's just not on! Hope it arrives today. We went for quality not quantity this month as our technique last month didn't work Waited for +ve on ov sticks before going for it
Buddha hope you're having a good hol!?
Marbles happy birthday!!!
Murray hope today's the day, it sounds frustrating I hated the waiting to ov, I never ever got +opk so constantly thought 'today's the day' good luck, fingers crossed.
Only 2 more sleeps!!! Crapping myself to be fair but I am a worrier
HAPPY BIRTHDAY MARBLES - Hope you are having a tip top day and DD's appt went well.
Kat are you STILL here !? What is this baby up to ? Every time I log in I am sure there will be news, but nothing ! Not long now though - good luck xx
Buddha like your style going for quality not quantity ! I would love to do the same but have to DTD from CD11 when EWCM starts just in case, then every other night until my egg finally arrives - it can end up making sex a bit of a chore which is not good
As predicted my blimin' egg is still AWOL - soooo annoying and soooo disappointing. Had a bit of a wobble today - ended up in tears in car on my way home from work - no particular reason, just frustrated and fed up with wonky hormones . Today's EWCM seems to have dried up but then that has happened almost every day for the past 9 days so am not reading much into that. I am soooooooooooooooooooo bored of waiting, but also due to erratic temps and ridiculous EWCM I just know deep down that things are still far from 'normal' so there is very little chance of getting PG. Struggling to keep my chin up. I really want to talk to someone who will take my concerns seriously but anyone within NHS system will just poo poo my EWCM chat as tell me to go away and be patient. I haven't broached the subject of EWCM with acupuncturist - not sure I could face it - what if he didn't understand, how do you explain that !!!! Anyway, will pop back soon when I am in a more chipper mood and hopefully there will be baby news to cheer me up - come on Kat !!!
murray Can't imagine trying to explain ewcm to someone who wasn't aware of it, could be embarrassing, but maybe try checking on a medical website for how it's described there then you'll sound all medical rather than 'mumsnety' ??
I'm currently trying to decide if my waters are leaking woke up damp and had a few obvious little gushes after bh/baby moving but I'm so blinking hot I'm afraid I'm just sweating!!? Eeew I know!
Murray have a very unmumsnet hug. Why do you think you'll get laughed at by nhs about ewcm? Has it happened before? I think your worries over ov are perfectly normal and you have charts to show that things are different to before. Do you think you still need time to grieve for last pregnancy and your body is trying to do that? Or is that a crock of sh*t I just think you are trying so hard and you know what happens when we put ourselves under so much pressure - naff all needs to take own advice I wish that I could magic up a perfect cycle for you
Kat damp or leaking?
Just popping in to say good luck to Kat for today! Hope the hospital don't keep you waiting for too long, and that breaking your waters leads to the birth you want! There's a vague possibility I might get a sweep today, so maybe I'll race you ;-)
Buddha hope you're having a lovely holiday! How long are you there for? Think you're near Sandown? Was thinking if you have time (and I'm not in labour, and the weather holds...) I could bring DD over and meet you on the beach in Ryde? No prob if not, was just a thought
Murray can see the language (and possibly the gender) barrier might make it tricky to talk to your acupuncturist about EWCM.... I know it's not what you want to hear but do you think there might be something in what Buddha was saying in her last post to you.....? It seems to me you're putting yourself under an awful lot of pressure, though I know that's easy for me to say. Feel free to tell me to bugger off
Marbles hope you had a FAB birthday!! Welcome to the 30s club How did DD's appointment go? Have been thinking of you.
As for me, am off to gp later to talk to her about my massively swollen and painful foot. Have been being nagged by my mother to go for a while, but figured they'll just say it's hot, you're 38 weeks pregnant, congratulations you're fat and uncomfortable! But saw my gp friend who said I should get it checked in case it's a DVT!! . Excellent. Just what I needed. Something else to worry about Will keep you posted if I manage to con convince someone to give me a sweep over the next couple of days..... Wish me luck!
Baby William arrived at 9:49am 9lb 12 1/2oz. Spontaneous labour but EMCS again. I gave it my best
CONGRATS on the birth of gorgeous William kat he is beautiful (saw FB pic)
I will be back later to chat but didn't wanna not post about our new member!!!
Murray did you get a high temp this morning?
Nemo are you swept?
Taking advantage of a night feed to post, things are going really well, W's blood test was good, he starts his antibiotics today and will ultrasound his kidney next week but hopefully they'll find normal function and he'll just be my healthy little boy He is an angel! Eats, well (milk came in tonight!) sleeps good long periods and is happy and alert during day, so far, so good.
Right; the birth...went in to have AF leak checked at 9pm wed, was having irregular, mild/moderate pains but admitted as induction was due to happen next morning. DH left hosp
At 1:30, I curled up in my private room then gush! Waters everywhere, contractions followed immediately! 1-2 min appart and thanks to no cushiony waters; excruciating!!! V diff to first labour, gas and air helped for 2 hours then I screamed for epidural!! Was 8cm by then so rushed to labour ward and epi given amidst my screams! Chilled for 3 hours, checked to be 10cm but tested for 2 more to help baby move from OP, he only made it to OT unfirtunatly but as his HR was happy I pushed for 1 1/2 hours in which time he descended a big fat 0!!! Epi stopped working on left side and by the time I was in theatre, both sides!!! Out it came in went spinal and an attempt at forceps, well not an attempt, as like his big sis his head never descended below 0 station ever! So c sec (as I'd predicted all along) and at 9:49 my whopping boy emerged at nearly 10lb with a 37 1/2 cm head!!!
I wouldn't change a thing though, I have confirmation now that it's a big head/narrow pelvis issue and I never felt that we were in danger, drs were there throughout. And thanks to spontaneous 'trial' labour our hormones helped us out, he's calm and ready to be here and my boobs are happy to nurture him! Smiles all around! Now need to get an early disharge as everyone else's baby in my room are keeping me awake whilst mine snores on!!!! Typical thanks for listening, next it's Nemo! Did I mention, I wouldn't change a thing!? Good luck, go with your instincts x
Wow! What a great post Kat! Am currently on my 3rd 2nd glass of wine, so you'll have to forgive me if this doesn't make a lot of sense... What's the story with the blood tests and the anti biotics? Maybe it's on fb and I've missed it, will go and check in a bit, but am so glad that, all in all, it went so well, and you now have your gorgeous baby safe and sound, congratulations!
Murray yippee for temp and mood shift, PMA worth a lot! Guess there's no point suggesting you take your foot off the gas, so I won't . You know what's best for you and yours, and as Kat says, all we can do is follow our instincts
Problem I'm having is that my instincts are thoroughly confused . I did have a sweep yesterday, in fact I was already 2cm dilated and the mw was v v optimistic that it was going to do the trick. However, so far... No dice. Plus I spoke to a friend today who was 2cm dilated for 2weeks with her second so am pretty fed up and v impatient... The thing is I'm not due til 12th, so part of me thinks I should really just leave the poor little bugger alone to come out when he's good and ready, but the other part thinks ELEVEN POUND BABY!!!!! Am seeing the mw again tomorrow for another sweep, but if that doesn't work maybe I should just leave him to it....? What does the collective wisdom of the thread think? Yesterday the mw said his head was v v low and that she could easily have broken my waters if she'd wanted to... So there it is. Thought I'd try a bit of reverse psychology, hence the wine instead of willing him out and assuming its not going to happen to see if I can call his bluff, and have sent DH out to get an Indian takeaway.... Tips? Suggestions? But please don't say a long walk, my right foot is so swollen that I can barely stand, my toes are so swollen that they won't bend! Is v v attractive
Love to all! Including our newest and littlest member
Wow Nemo that is pretty much where I was 2 weeks ago, 2cm very effaced and head vv low. He came exactly 2 weeks later a day before his due date of his own accord, what was lo's predicted weight at last scan? They were spit on with W! So I'd use that as a guide. Although apparently it is head circumference that really matters, where are you with that estimation? I'm sure I went naturally because I finally had a date in mind and let my body relax, I also had a few drinkies towards then end and started to chill once I had that induction date.
As for tests etc, W has a dilated kidney so need to ensure it functions properly now that he's working on his own. Common apparently
Wowsers ! It is baby central in here !
Kat so good to hear your birth story - you sound so happy and upbeat - well done you . I look forward to seeing some pics of wee W !
Nemo you next missus ! Chances are it will not be as long as 2 weeks so just hang on in there and enjoy your wine. Like Kat says, try to relax (ha ha easier said than done as I well know !) and let the wee man come when he is ready. My friend was told by MW after a sweep that she was "v confident that it would happen soon" - when she saw the same MW 2 days later (after baby had arrived) the MW admitted that my friend had been in labour at that point but she didn't want to get her hopes up ! Can't wait to hear your news - keep us updated not in suspense please !
Yes have had 3 high temps now - so am on 2ww. Am not getting hopes up - actually had a bright red wipe on 2dpo so am assuming that this was caused by crazy messed up hormones. Am off alcohol altogether now as read it can really aggravate hormonal imbalance - anything to help ! Anyway, feeling good about everything - I feel like it WILL happen at some point once I have forced these blimin' hormones into submission via my super-healthy lifestyle <polishes halo>
Just had a dreadful moment where a friend's dad (who is Aussie and well know for being a tw@t) asked me when I'd be having another baby (what a DICK) - I was so taken aback as he knows what happened, that I just blurted out "who knows, maybe one day" to which he looked at my stomach and winked and said "soon...now ?..." what FUCKWIT !!!!!!!!!!!!! I was so upset that I just had to leave the party in a complete fluster (we were on our way out anyway as we had E with us) but what a nightmare !!!
Kat Congratulations gorgeous pics on fb hope you manage to get that early discharge! Wow he's a big 'un
Nemo Sorry we didn't get a meet up sorted bloody 3G signal Well what to do re labour, as we said by text you could be waiting quite a while. Glad you're letting your hair down and having a cheeky three one As for advice on what to do next I'm sorry I'm no help (labour less person) Ewan was nearly 4 weeks early so didn't have to make any choices but big believer in gut instinct
Murray I hope I didn't offend you with my post the other day? Just wanted you to ease up on yourself and was being a bit protective. Fantastic news that you're officially on the 2ww, we can symptom spot together ( zero here at the moment) What a dick that bloke was! Insensitive knob especially as he knows your history and what you've been through recently, no wonder you were upset. Khama will come back and bite him on the bum promise
Marbles How did S's appt go?
Moomin Hope you are having a lovely time away
Well got back from holidays today. Had a fantastic time. Ewan got to feed penguins and wallabies. Touch a snake and other wierd things it was brilliant. Off to north Wales tomorrow as dh is doing a triathlon to raise funds for our special baby care unit. Feel like I've spent the last month in a car as journey home was 9.5 hrs and we'll have another 3 hours tomorrow
Buddha at those ridiculous comments! And good luck for today and DHs triathlon! Wow i''m in awe.
....tbc
Congrats Kat. He's a big beauty. Hope you're recovering well at home.
Me too!! Beautiful pics!! Can't wait to hear more!!!
moomin HELLO!! how are you getting on?
kat how's things with you? And that gorgeous boy?
I'm fine. Away at the moment in Bluestone. Really wet day today
Agree, fantastic photo's Nemo he's gorgeous
Well no birthday bfp for me AF arrived today 4 days early
But on a happier note dh finished his first ever triathlon today, the weather was bloody awful but despite this still did amazing times on all three events. I was so so proud of him and they have raised money for our local Special Baby Care Unit so it meant so much to us, as I have no doubt without their skills and help we wouldn't have Ewan with us today
Yiippeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeee - congratulations Nemo !!! I flipping knew it - I have not been checking FB or MN over the weekend and just had a feeling this morning that I'd missed news.
Must check FB later for pics - how exciting !!!! Well done Nemo - I'm so glad you got the natural birth you wanted - you can stop worrying about "giant baby-birthing" now and get on with the job of enjoying your wee boy
I look forward to hearing your full birth story in a few days .
Buddha so sorry AF arrived - that is not great about AF being early again. I have plenty of top tips on lengthening your LP (just foods to eat - nothing invasive) if you're interested. Maybe not right now, but in a few weeks I'll post them and you can maybe try them out. I'm test driving them this week . Oh and I was not at all offended by your advice last week. My low mood was down to hormones not grieving in any way - If I had not accepted what had happened and grieved fully I would never have been able to visit my friend's baby (did I say that already last week ...?) Anyway - no offence taken !
Nothing at all symptom-wise from here - temps seem quite consistent which is a start. Also, I have made the ultimate sacrfice and given up alcohol (just for a few months to see if it helps) apparently a hormone imbalance can be massively aggravated by alcohol so I need to stop ignoring this and make a 100% effort to fix things properly. Feeling good but not optimistic about success this cycle.
Morning ladies
buddha sorry AF caught you good luck with this cycle
murray good news about your temps fingers crossed for you
Hope everyone else (and their gorgeous babies) are doing well
As for me <cough> I tested.... AF not due for a couple of days... BFP I know it doesn't mean a helluva lot coming from me but...I feel very excited so I am eagerly awaiting the next week to fly by and then getting on to the hospital to get the ball rolling
Right, I'll try again, think I was still in a drug haze when I attempted posting the other day! It makes no sense
murray at those comments, not helpful at all!
Buddha well done to DH re the Triathalon, so good to give back you must be so proud of him.
moomin thanks for the update, looks like Nemo did amazing! Can't wait to hear her story what a relief for her.
We're doing so well here I can't believe how much easier it is 2nd time around, W is an amazing little baby he is textbook and long may it continue! Last night he only fed at 2am and then stirred at 5:30am but was happy to be rocked back to sleep until 6:30am!! Which is when I emerges anyway! Little star. He's been awake today too! For a 1/2 hour at breakfast and just now for a full hour, he wore himself out with all the staring and kicking though and fell asleep on the boob minus the feed, too cute!
I keep reminding myself that this time last year I was so ill and had been told this moment might not happen, I'm glad I kept believing and trying, he is so worth it and we are complete. (tear) I suppose what I'm saying is 'keep the faith'
Kat I sent you a FB friend request as I just realised that is why I cannot see your baby pics !! Thank you soooo much for the reminder about why we put ourselves through this torture - am well and truly keeping the faith . Good boy sleeping so well at night and managing to stay awake during the day - very clever !!
Marbles OMG BFP - it is exciting and fingers crossed this time it will work. TIPS for keeping progesterone high are to eat foods high in Magnesium (leafy greens, avocado, banana), Flaxseed is great for lengthening LP (eat it ground on cereal/in porridge, in salads), Vit C also good for progesterone generation (grapes, kiwi, mango, potato, orange, grapefruit, tomatoes, citrus fruits, melon, strawberries, cherries, peas, spinach, asparagus). Finally and most importantly Pineapple is great to aid implantation due to bromeline (?) it contains. Get yourself off to the supermarket and stuff your trolley full and eat your way to a successful PG mrs. Sorry if I sound like a pushy nutcase, just trying to help in any way I can as I know what a tough time you've had and you deserve to have some luck xx
Just saw Nemo's baby photos - what an adorable wee poppet !!!!! Any word of a name ?
Marbles I've got everything crossed for you <whispers congratulations>
Kat Glad to hear W is settling in well
Murray Thanks for tips will sit and take notes when heads in a better place
marbles excellent! Fantastic news heed that brilliant food advice and fingers crossed for you
Afternoon ladies - hope everyone has enjoyed their Jubilee Holiday . We avoided the TV coverage and headed to the National museum in Edinburgh to see the dinosaur fossils
Marbles how are you my dear - all still well ? Is AF due Thu ?... Fingers crossed the days keep ticking on by for you and she doesn't appear.
Nemo is doing well but unsure when she will make it onto here - BF is a bit problematic but I'm sure it will work itself out. Nemo if you are lurking - get help with the latch ASAP - I still wish I did as I had 4 months of painful feeding with E and I'm sure it was down to a dodgy latch. Unfortunately as he was a December baby, by the time I realised I needed help it was Xmas and NY so nobody available . Anyway, she sounds over the moon with her wee boy - birth way easier than with T and baby way smaller than predicted - all that worry for nothing !!!!
Nowt to report from here - had a small bleed last night but ignoring it as I had the same the last 2 cycles and it meant nothing. Am genuinely not getting hopes up atall and I actually am finding myself willing time to slow down to delay the inevitable AF as opposed to wishing the days away and being so excited about testing as I was sure it would be good news.
hi ladies
4 weeks today! AF due today at the earliest but no sign! i also vomited spectacularly at the warm smell of the clean washing in the tumble dryer <<sick face
nemo if you are lurking...MASSIVE CONGRATS on your beautiful boy!!! i am seriously dying to know what name you have chosen too so anyone know yet?
hope everyone is doin well
kat your pics of I&W on FB are lovely
Marbles all sounds very promising one of the photos on fb has got nemo's ds's name on it
marbles thank you! great puking!! You'd be a mess in my house right now as its a constant launderette-Puke fest!
murray def best not to wish time away, but easier said than done so well done.
I'm starting to feel well now, pain is minimal and the constant up down feeding during the night is more bearable now as a result. My fave thing right now is watching I stare at little W and hearing her say; "I love you little man" totally melts my heart!!!
I'm debating whether to dummy or not to dummy?? Did with I but then she cried a lot!! Should I hold off a bit longer and see how he goes or try to get him used to it now knowing it will make teething etc easier???? Also will be doing one bottle formula a night when bf is more established, as a way of getting DH more involved. I was 6 months before I left her! Not sure that's practical this time. Anyone got any advice on combined feeding?
Marbles oooohhh how exciting ! this sounds more promising this time doesn't it ? Are you stuffing pineapple down your throat as you type ?... I am drinking a juice with 1/2 pineapple, apple, 5 carrots, brocolli, asparagus, ginger, mint, orange in it - 'tis lush . I have everything crossed for you mrs xx
Kat pics of W and I together are just lovely . As far as mixed feeding goes, I had to do it from the word go as E didn't latch on until 10 days old (I was a master-expresser !) I didn't find that there was ever any nipple confusion, I am sure that is a myth peddled by MWs to enforce exclusive BF - which is bl00dy unhelpful. Just try him and see how he goes - you may need to try various teats - I tried Tommy Tippee and E just destroyed them (he had a very strong suction !) so we stuck with Avent and some other brand that escapes me - I liked the coloured bits on the bottle !!! Get DH to feed it to him in case he is confused by the smell of your milk (I hated the idea that I had a milk 'smell' !!). Anyway, good luck, I have no idea if that helps at all but it sounds like you are settling into life with a new baby well so good for you
Update from here is I have had spotting on and off - just a really small amount. Temp still consistent and pretty high. I had a moment earlier where I thought the faint pain of pre-AF cramps were beginning (and I wanted to cry as only 8dpo) but actually they disappeared so nothing to worry about. NO other symptoms whatsoever - dreading the weekend as I know I will be on tenterhooks waiting for AF to ruin my day. Anyway, off to scoop the remainder of my super-healthy delicious juice - yum
Oh and Nemo texted me baby's name - hopefully she won't mind me posting it as it is on FB so not a secret anymore - he is Max (Maximilian)
What a wash out, aye? I feel like I've slept through summer.
How are the new adorable additions getting on? And how are the mummies?
Nemo Are you lurking? Hope you're recovering well.
Marbles I've got everything crossed for you. How are you feeling? When will appointment be?
Kat I mixed fed L. The only advice I'd give is to ensure night feeds are bf. That's when you stimulate the most prolactin and ensure a regular supply.
Murray How are the temps? Any further symptoms to report?
Buddha How was your birthday?
No real news here. Took kids away for the weekend which was wet but fun. Currently on the train to London as a friend is getting married tomorrow. Back to work on Monday....
Thank you ladies, that is good advice
murray Are temps still high?
W had a newborn shoot today and was a monkey! Wouldn't sleep! In fact didn't sleep properly from 7am to 1pm! That's strange right!? Just awake awake odd
Kat Joe was a wide awake newborn. He'd lie staring for hours and hours. He was always chilled out until nighttime arrived.
Murray Don't leave us hanging. What's the score? Quietly excited for you.
Wedding was fun. Got a bit tipsy but felt fine leaving. Have woken up feeling dizzy. Can't decide if this is due to spending yesterday on a boat!
Kat Ewan was the same as Joe, awake lots in the day but quite chilled
Moomin Glad you had fun at the wedding
Marbles you're quiet. Everything ok? Still bfp?
Murray it's sounding good with the temps
Had a fantastic birthday, dh arranged a surprise BBQ for when I got home from work, decorated the house and organised a cake etc I was well impressed I should work my birthday more often! Got totally spoilt at work and home and as I got af early I enjoyed my champagne too
Rumours around work have started about the 4 people who are pg and if one more persons asks its me there maybe murder in the workplace!
Nemo how's it all going?
Evening ladies. Sorry for keeping you hanging on but I'm not sure if I have news... there was a line but it was very very faint. I know that a line is a line but I'd prefer not to be shouting "BFP!!!" when I had to squint (hard) in the strong daylight to see the super-faint line ! I told DP so as far as we are concerned as long as no AF tomorrow and temps still high and tomorrow's line is a bit more convincing then... maybe just maybe
Anyway, Buddha your birthday surprise sounds fabulous - I loved your 40th post on FB reminiscing about your 30s - what a fab decade for you ! How abolutely and you must be to have work colleagues guessing that you are one of the host of preggos at work - arrgghhhh poor you - big hugs from me. I hope this thread does not feel much the same now that Marbles and maybe I have BFPs. It is mega early days for me - I am not even due AF until tomorrow according to my 'normal' LP - probably should have been more patient about testing
Everything crossed for a darker line tomorrow Murray
Moomin Nice thought about the bump but have to say after 10 months of ttc not feeling very positive about it we shall just have to be grateful for what we have
Murray Thanks for hug and info will definately start plugging you for advice once I've got all birthday celebrations out the way! (yes they are going on for weeks ) how's the temp this morning?
Temp was through the roof this morning and line a lot more obvious - if still a bit faint for my liking so I am now prepared to whisper <BFP>.. hopefully tomorrow I can shout it if the line is 'proper'
Moomin am not brave enough to try a CBD... just in case ! I had been using Boots tests (the ones that are supposed to early predictors) but they were rubbish - today's CB far better . In fact I also tried the poundshop 2 for 1 pound cheapies and they gave me a better line in the afternoon yesterday and Sunday than the Boots ones !
marbles where are you mrs ? Hope all still going well for you xx
Does that mean I can whisper woo hoo yet? brilliant result with temp. Will be checking tomorrow for the official "shout"
Hello ladies How lovely to (finally) make it back here amidst such good news! Murray & Marbles am keeping everything crossed for you. Haven't even managed lurking til now I'm afraid, and this is only going to be a short one as I need to get to bed, but I wanted to thank you all for your kind wishes via fb, and on here now I've seen them! I'm sorry for being crap and not being here sooner, but this is life with us in a nutshell:
Birth was great! So so different from T, epidural was MAREVLLOUS!!! 2 stressful parts, I had a bleed at about 5cm which was v scary though no medics seemed worried, and then they wanted to monitor me continuously so that was epidural time, and LO's hb kept dropping during contractions, but again I was the only one who seemed worried. Labour was incredibly slow compared to T but much much more controlled - and only 1stitch! They broke my waters at 6cm as things weren't progressing then in the next hour I not only went from 6 to 10 but DS came practically all the way down all by himself, he was practically out before anyone realised, and was born in about 4 pushes. I was quite able to move etc which helped with position (had him laying on my side) and with pushing. The photos of DH holding him on fb are when he was only a few mins old, he came out perfect, not even squashed.
The challenges haven really started since I got home. DD adores her little brother, but is NOT behaving well and is pushing every single boundary which is absolutely exhausting. DH has basically taken no paternity leave whatsoever, other than a few hours here and there (we went for lunch today to celebrate my due date!) which has been v tough and I've been pretty bloomin unimpressed with him for much of the time. To add insult to injury, although bf is gong ok I've had mastitis already, started ab's last fri which hopefully are doing the trick. DS is feeding really well though, although we've got ourselves into a bit of a pickle with the night feeds and with expressing, so I need to try to get that sorted.
Hopefully that all gives you a picture of why I haven't made it on here before now, it's not that I haven't been thinking of you all.
Right. Better go, but am sending love to all and, as I said, keeping everything crossed for Marbles and Murray.
PS have already given in on the dummy front, he had one for the first time briefly yesterday eve but am going to take one to bed with me tonight in the hope it'll help him settle more easily.
Did any of the breast feeders on here co-sleep? Ive always been dead against it, but it seems to be the only way I get any rest..... Thoughts?
Better go, squawking starting!
xx
Nemo how lovely to see you !!!! Your absence is excused . I cannot believe after all of your stressing that you describe the birth as "great" !! I'm not sure I've ever heard anyone use that word to describe childbirth ! Maybe the fact that you had convinced yourself it was going to be the quickest birth of the biggest baby in history meant that you were overjoyed by a reasonably straightforward birth of a small baby ! Sounds like you are coping well - albeit as a single parent for the mostpart - well done you ! Not so good on the b00bs front - that is quite tricky. I had a lot of pain and didn't really find an answer so I am no good. Also, I didn't co-sleep so I can't help there either. I remember regularly waking up and panicking that he was in my bed as I'd fallen asleep BFing him and that I'd squashed him - then I'd look over and he was in his moses basket - phew !
News from here is that I am finally going to shout "BFP" !!! Temp high again today and got a "proper" line on a CB. Going to invest in a fancy CBD for the weekend if all still ok - quite fancy the one that tells you approximately how may weeks you are - even though I know already ! Every time I have the mildest tummy twinge I freeze in panic ! Must calm down and just enjoy it - which to be fair I am the majority of the time
Marbles where are you ? It is unlike you to be absent for so long, esp when you have news.... please pop by and let us know you are ok xx
Hi ladies
murray congrats on the FABULOUS BFP!!!
Hi everyone else
News from me... BFP turned into BFN late last week and CP again we are officially off TTC and planning some condom purchasing to ensure I get to give my body a break... It's 5 years in October since we started this effort... I am no further forward
Marbles as you already know im very about your news. Five years is such a long time on the ttc rollercoaster I'm finding it so hard after just 10 months so I've no idea how you have kept on with so many knock backs
Murray Official congratulations brilliant news
Nemo Not sure how I managed to not reply to you I've no idea why you couldn't fit us in sooner especially as it sounds as if you're not up to much Wow much less painful and traumatic birth story for you and you although you may not think it I'm sure your coping amazingly on your own. But if you want send us girls round we'll sort out dh Hopefully T's behaviour will get better as well as the (.)(.)s (ouch). The pictures are so cute but I need more
Murray yay!!!!!!!!!!!
Nemo glad to see you back, what a different birth to what you expected, he is beautiful I must admit I'm pretty of the natural delivery and surprise small baby grrr
marbles so so sorry I cant begin to imagine how hard it must have been these last 5 years, I hope the break does you good.
Had a bit of a toughy recently, W had his follow up scan re his enlarged kidney (s) and it was bad news! He has one seriously enlarged kidney and one slightly so. We have been referred to paediatrics but waiting on an appointment from what we know little W will spend a lot of time in and out of hospitals being tested and will continue his AB for up to a year with the possibility of surgery etc looming in his future I am trying not to think about it really as it makes me feel so sad I'm welling up just typing this. I convinced myself he'd be fine. At least he's here with us I suppose, and they caught it early. I just hate thinking of the tests etc his little body will go through, even the minor day surgery they talk of as a minor inconvenience is more than you'd wish for your tiny baby sorry to be so negative
Kat I am so sorry to hear that W's kidneys may be more of an issue than you'd been hoping . I can only imagine how sad you much feel - tiny babies should not have to endure any surgery minor or otherwise, it just doesn't seem right - although I guess it is for the best. The poor wee man, there is nothing I can say to make it better, just know that we are all here for you whenever you need an ear/shoulder - big hugs xx
Update from here -found a pg test in a drawer last night so decided this morning to check that line is 'properly' dark as now 19dpo - there was no line and after a few mins a very, very faint line. Not feeling hopeful at all any more. I will go out and get some more tests and check but pretty sure this is all going wrong. Been on MN searching "a line is a line" type threads to try and clutch on to a glimmer of hope, but deep down I know it is not good news
Kat Sorry to hear may have to have surgery. It's like Murray said no matter how minor the surgery it's still such a worry I know how I felt when E had his grommets op
Murray Out of date test? When was af due? Any cramps etc? I'm still hopeful for you. What did the other threads say? Fx
Day 15 for me and no sign of ov last few months ov was at 14 so maybe not going to happen this month
Murray any news? Did you do more tests?
Well dh has just announced he doesn't want any more children wtf am I supposed to do now?? it was whilst having words about how we are dealing with E's behaviour. He wants to smack and I won't let him, i think it was said on the heat if the moment but still hurt he'd just drop that on me
Buddha that is awful . Like you say, I'm sure it was said in the heat of a very frustrated moment, but still a hurtful thing to say. Maybe once things have settled down broach the subject in a calm manner and make sure he knows how gutted you'd be if that was the end of trying for no.2. I spent a long time desperate for another baby while DP stubbornly refused to entertain the idea - I still get annoyed now that if he had just agreed in the first place I'd have a 6-12 month old by now and now we are where we are .
News is not great. Test this morning was bought recently so def not out of date - I'd just forgotten about it. I did a CBD and got "Pregnant 1-2" which means I am apparently between 3-4 weeks (should really be 5 weeks tomorrow/Tuesday) so HcG clearly not very high. Also did a standard CB and got a very, very faint line (fainter than the CB I did last Weds). Not long after I tested started spotting which is now on and off - very light and and brown but TBH I just have a 'feeling' that AF/MC is on the way . Any mild symptoms I had have not been present since Friday and I know it sounds strange but I got really bad skin last PG (usually have a v clear skin) and since last wknd skin was breaking out then on Thu/Fri last week it started clearing up. I know that may sound crazy but I noticed that with last PG my skin started to clear up at 17 weeks which is when baby died. AM so, so and have to go to London for work tomorrow so up at 5am, plus my parents are here as they are looking after E tomorrow so I am having to put on a brave face when all I want to do is curl up and cry.
Murray shit shit shit so so sorry that the news is not good it does look as if all the signs are pointing in the wrong direction wish I could do more than virtual support for you x x x
Thanks Buddha, virtual support much appreciated.
It still hasn't all kicked off. Had EWCM earlier which I had at end of last PG and should have realised then that all not well. It is as if my body knows it is no longer PG so starts trying to be fertile again but forgets to bloody expel the PG . I wish it would start on its own as I'd rather not pump my body full of drugs after all the work I've done with diet and acupuncture to get my body in tip top condition. Going to call EPU in the morning and ask if either they or my GP could do bloods - I almost guarantee I'll be told to just hang in there and wait but I am so not willing to be in this state of limbo for days/weeks. I just want to finish the process and try to move on. Had a few tears today despite best efforts - hopefully nobody noticed. Came home and had a bl00dy good blub. Off to read my book to take my mind off this shit.
murray so sorry things aren't looking too good I know the feeling well... I wish I was closer to give you an actual squishy cuddle but one of these {{{{{{{cuddle}}}}}}}} will have to suffice for now xxxx
Hope everyone is doing well
buddha DH and I have the same smack/no smack argument I say no he says yes. I think murrays suggestion of letting things cool is a good one so he can understand your point and realise how he upset you by saying what he said. Just an aside, growing up we're either you or DH hit in punishment? I was and DH wasn't so it would be interesting to see whether our differing upbringing affected our views IYSWIM
Murray Did you get your bloods done after?
I've decided to take a break for a couple of months, we've got a lot on our plate at the moment, especially as nursery sent a message through the in laws that they want us to contact local children's centre re his behaviour no support just a third party message I'm not happy about the way it's been done. They even said themselves it's the first hour that he's there after that he's fine.
Posted too soon
I contacted my friend who runs a children's centre away and when she visited this weekend she bought a DVD, workbook and note sheets round. We've read the sheets tonight, workbook and DVD to go (it's like homework) but I got myself v upset tonight as I feel we've let E down somewhere along the line can't ask mum for advice/info as her answer is smack. Yes Marbles I was hit a lot until quite old where as dh not so much so I think you've hit the nail in the head there. Also doesn't help when i have lost my temper and smacked E he's turned round and hit back saying don't hit me, which is right
Sorry for rambling but nowhere else to turn too
Buddha you poor thing, that sounds awful. I'm sure you haven't let E down at all, it can be so difficult sometimes. I had a nightmare with E hitting other children (only with me, never at nursery strangely) when he was 2-3 years but he has really turned a corner since his 3rd birthday and is such a lovely wee boy now. I also wondered if I'd somehow made him into a little sh!t but it was just a 'phase'. Hopefully your E is the same and will grow out of it. I also disagree with smacking although on 2 occasions (during the terrible 2s) I did smack his bottom but it was out of pure fury and frustration and it was exactly the wrong thing to do , I am not proud of myself but none of us is perfect, it can be a bl00dy hard job some days.
No need for bloods as it kicked off this morning properly. Feeling low but went to work to keep busy - had to leave my desk a few times to go for a cry in the loos. Doing ok, also thinking I'll give TTC a break, at least for a cycle to let me body recover. Am worried acpuncturuist will advise I wait 6 months (apparently that is the Chinese belief that you wait 6 months after a MC). Am hoping that because it was so early that rule does not apply - otherwise will have to stop going as there is no way I am waiting that long. I reckon one more go, 3rd time lucky - if it doesn't work then that is it for us, I can't go through this again. Does anyone know if there is any point contacting EPU now, do they need to check MC is complete afterwards or is there no point as it was so early ? I really thought we'd turned a corner and things were going right for us, gutted
Murray so sorry things have definitely gone wrong this time Once again you seem to be strong and sensible (not like me falling to bits ) my 3rd mc was at 5-6 wks and I just had a heavy af and gp said no further action required but it would be worth checking. Have a massive hug from me x
Hello animals. I cant believe how much has happened since I was last here, and pretty much none of it good
Murray I can't believe you're having to go through this after everything you've been through already. I think you're totally right to give yourself a break though, and as much as I know you don't want to wait for 6months, as I said to you before, that's how long it took me to properly sort myself out, both mentally and physically. What's the longest you think you could consider giving yourself as a break?
Marbles likewise, I just can't believe you're having to go through this yet again. Do you/they think it's down to the lupus? Just so sorry to hear its happened again
Buddha 'challenging' toddlers seem to be the order of the day at the moment
Bugger, screaming, better run, am in queue to see health visitor as M has sorr bottom! back later
Buddha the 'phase' with E lasted pretty much between his 2nd and 3rd birthdays - textbook terrible 2s ! I guess it was probably closer to 8-10 months. He is by no means perfect even now but he is sooo much easier. He is able to understand better about the consequences of his actions which he didn't a year ago. Good luck mrs, I'm sure you are doing a great job.
Nemo welcome back and well done posting while at HV ! I am not sure how long a break I'll take as I'm feeling way better today . I am not being flippant but it was a very early MC and much as it is still hard, it is nothing like it was last time when everyone knew and I actually had to deliver a baby. Both physically and emotionally this cannot be compared to last time so I don't think there is any need for a long break to recover. I emailed my acupuncturist and he reckons it may not be a MC... but a late period. I am not convinced, however am kind of viewing it that way as the line was never very dark and faded back to a shadow within days of being slightly more obvious. Also, my bad skin only last 4-5 days so I genuinely think that I was only PG for a matter of days. Anyway blah, blah all I am trying to say it that I don't think I will wait for long - I will wait and see what acupuncturist advises at the weekend and go with that (as long as he doesn't suggest a 6 month wait !)
How are you doing now mrs, how are b00bs and how is the gorgeous wee man ?
Murray Our phase started at 18 months and 12 months later seems to be getting worse I bet you were relieved after talking to acupuncturist that he is pretty sure you wont have to wait too long to ttc again. But at the end of the day only you know what's best follow your gut instinct
Nemo How is M's sore bum? Hope HV sorted him out? How's are things going?
Well I spoke to nursery yesterday, got upset and bgit lots of apologies and was assured the remark was innocently meant to mean there was extra support to help me deal with E's spitting and hitting rather than the nursery has a concern. They've assured me he's no different to the others, offered me a mtg to come in and discuss my concerns as they now realise they've not been supporting me. They have also checked his home/nursery diary and invited his room lead to mtg to discuss pointers for her to engage (oops think I might have dropped her in it) Feeling much better after a day of crying and being pretty useless all day. I just wish I could have more confidence in myself and as a mum
hi ladies
murray so sorry it has gone wrong {{{{hugs}}}} with my early Mcs i have never taken a break as i was told it makes little difference but if my track record is anything to go by i may possibly be talking out of my arse
buddha i know how it feels! kids can be a nightmare!! S still has her moments but she is gradually getting easier... i found that shouting/smacking makes her worse and i will try anything to avoid that route TBH things that worked for us in the past was sticker charts, naughty step/chair, taking toys etc and sticking to my word (no means no etc) giving her no say in decisions (she didnt like this too much but once she knew how it worked she was easier to deal with. Also i found that trying new things even ones i had tried before helped me feel like i was doing something to combat the behaviour. S was always better behaved at nursery/school and saved the nasty attitude especially for me i hope some of my ramblings made some sense and helped in some way.
Just wanted to pop in to check on murray so so sorry for how things have worked out xx
Hi Buddha. I am doing ok. In a bit of a quandry as Acupuncturist announced this Saturday that I have to wait 2 cycles to TTC. I told him I was not happy about this and may not heed his advice.... I am so hacked off as things seemed to be fine then I have a very early MC (which he is treating as a 'late period') and suddenly I have to wait 2 full cycles (which for me equates to 10 weeks and 700 quid !) before I can even try. Not happy. Trying to decide whether to stop going to see him as it is so blooding expensive and my temps now look quite consistent so am happy that early MC has not set me back in terms of hormonal imbalance. He says we still need to deal with my 'dampness' - I pointed out to him that he has been trying to 'fix' that since Feb and still not happening so maybe I just can't be fixed ! I managed to get PG before with my poor circulation etc... so I am considering 'going it alone' and forgetting about needles and stinky tea... The trouble is I have become quite reliant on it (even if only psychologically) and am a bit scared to continue without his help (even though it may not be making any difference, but I'll never know). What to do ?... Any advice gratefully received. I have decided that the Acupuncture is actually now causing me stress as if I hadn't been going I'd probably be quite happily TTC this week instead of getting upset and calculating how much bl00dy money this is costing me
How are you mrs, are you TTC this cycle or are you having a break ? Did you speak to DH in a calmer moment ? I was so upset yesterday when I was told to wait for 2 cycles and I admitted to DP that the whole TTC business is really getting to me, so his 'quick fix' solution was "yes, you're right it is taking its toll on you, let's just stop" - as if it is as easy as that to just let go of your desire to have another child and move on !!!!! It is SUCH a different issue for men - it just amazes me how laid back they can be about something that can completely consume a woman's every waking hour !
Hi ladies
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All well in the zoo?
Hi marbles quiet in here again hey!?
Not much news in my camp, loving being a mummy to 2 W is an angel and such a smiler! melts my heart! Bf is hard work this time, I'm getti help and advice from anyone who'll give it and so far 7 weeks down and not formula yet! (pats self on back)
W's kidney condition is being looked after well, lots of scans and apts to keep an eye on things, next is a dye test; up his little winky!!! To understand where the problem stems from :-/
Love to all x
Hi kat S had a dye test when she was about 10 months old. She was fine I was in bits hers was for recurring utis and ended up being nothing but the point is the test was not bad for her. Try not to worry too much (I know how hard that is though) W is GORGEOUS and I is looking so grown up on the FB pics
We had DDs official diagnosis a couple of days ago. She has been having complex partial seizures and is classed as epileptic now she is now on anti-epilepsy meds and under the neuro consultant for the foreseeable future. Worried doesn't even come close TBH I'm barely sleeping with the worry of it all. That combined with my shoulder pain (calcified shoulder possibly needing an op) I'm getting less and less sleep each night <pity party>
Kat Hope all goes well with W's dye test, good news on the BF front loving the fb pics too
Marbles I see from FB you are finally getting your shoulder op, good luck let's hope it gets rid of the pain. So sorry to hear about S but the main thing is you have a diagnosis and I presume they can control her seizures with medication?? My friend has been epileptic for years, and it hasn't stopped her having children, driving etc, I know there are different degrees of the illness but hopefully it won't stop her leading a "normal" life
Murray So what did you decide to do after? Wait or go for it? We're kind of on a break, not really trying but not really not trying iyswim, just trying not too stress about it
E's behaviour sort of reached a peak, DH admitted that he does want another child but just struggling with the way E is with him, but it is getting slightly better, a little less spitting and hitting, I really feel for DH as E won't even let him look at him on a bad day . Had nursery parents evening last week, had a glowing report, they have been giving him little projects to do to stretch him as he's more advanced than the others <glows with pride> They were very impressed that he can spell his name and count, knows numbers most letters and colours, shapes etc
I've been very low, hence absence from MN, GP diagnosed anxiety (no surprise there) I feel like I'm on egg shells waiting for DH and E to kick off with each other constantly, no confidence in my parenting, sarcastic comments from mother and Nan, the list goes on. trying to steer clear of medication at the moment, doing things for me like going to Slimming World to make me feel better about myself, forcing myself arranging time with friends etc
Enjoy the sunny weekend
Maybe if the weather takes a turn for the worse some of the others will come back??
Hello ladies ! Apologies for absence, we took a TTC break so decided to avoid all things TTC related so that meant you lot too
Kat when is W's dye test ? Glad to hear all going well and he is being looked after well. Glad BF going better too - it can be so bl00dy stressful, nobody tells you that before you have a baby (or maybe I was told but chose to ignore it !)
Marbles how are you feeling about DD's diagnosis ? Have you had a chance to let it sink in and research what the implications are ? I assume you are not TTC at the moment ?...
Buddha great to hear that you are sorting a few things out for yourself and trying to stay positive. Clever little E !! He isn't 3 yet is he ?... My E is 3.6 and can only just write his name - he shows some interest in spelling, letters and numbers so I do a little bit with him but I don't want to push him so I let him take the lead. I had a terrible parents evening at nursery last week as it turns out the ladies/girls in his room are imbeciles - I asked about phonics and one of them admitted she didn't really "get it" !!! I am going to speak to the nursery manager who is a qualified primary school teacher and has very high standards - am pretty sure she will be mortified when she hears what the girl said ! Anyway, well done your wee man being so advanced - maybe being more challenged is exactly what he needs. How can you possibly doubt your parenting skills when he is doing so well - that is down to you too, not just his abilities. Maybe if you keep challenging him at home too then his behaviour will improve. Have you tired reward charts/removing favourite toys as punishment ?.. Those tricks work for us.
Nemo how are things going with M ? He is absolutely adorable - love the photo you sent
Well I had my cycle off and got stuck into decorating a larger bedroom for E so he can have more toys in his room and have friends for sleepovers. I stopped taking most of my vitamins but continued with acupuncture, healthy diet and my alcohol ban <polishes halo>. I have come to an agreement with acupuncturist that I wait one cycle then start TTC again and he is happy with that (although he would prefer I waited 2 cycles). So, as of tomorrow we are off and 'at it' again . Probably won't ov for another 7-9 days, but practise makes perfect . I'll keep you all posted. Feeling super chilled out about it all - I reckon that if it doesn't work this cycle then it is no big deal as that would mean that I have waited the 2 cycles that Dr. Needles wants (albeit I wouldn't actually have waited...iyswim). Anyway, I'll stop there - wittering nonsense now.
Hi ladies
Where is everyone?...
My shoulder op is Monday I'm shitting my pants just a little
It's also DH and I's anniversary today! 5 years of wedded bliss and to cap that off I am nearly a week late... I haven't tested as I'm probably not up the duff but...
S has been taking her medication but it has an effect on her behaviour which means barely anymore seizures but a demon child replacement we go back on wednesday to discuss strategy with her consultant.
How is everyone?
Murray Thank you for the lovely comment that some of E's talents are down to my parenting, never thought of that and that made me feel really good about myself so thank very much Glad to hear things are back on track with ttc, we are feeling a bit more relaxed about things too although whilst visiting GP recently I asked for 21 day blood levels for fsh and lh and discussed my cycles and luteal phase, she had a little smile that I was such a "little expert" as she called me but also said she was sad that I had to know so much which was really kind of her, she has been a fab support lately and really helped me sort my head out.
Marbles I know all went well with shoulder op, so hope you are still relaxing and taking time off
Still at Slimming world and lost 9lbs in 4 weeks really pleased as it seems to have been much easier this time round and weight loss can only help with making me feel better about myself and ttc so it's a double edged sword really
Hope everyone else is OK??
Hello animals, I'm sorry I've been away for so long, I haven't even been lurking. TBH I'm so tired I struggle to string sentences together, let alone remember what's happening with everyone else.
Having said that, we're ok. M is gorgeous, so I can just about forgive him for wanting to feed every 1-2 hours at night... But only just! DH and I not been getting on too well either, think the fact that we're both so tired (and the fact that I'm grumpy about him being so tired when I'm the one doing pretty much every night ) combined with the fact that we're still in separate rooms so at least one of us gets some sleep is having a really negative effect on our marriage. Not sure I've quite forgiven him for taking NO paternity leave when M was born either.... But we're going on holiday at the end of the month so hopefully that'll help.....
Buddha congrats on the weight loss, that's brilliant! Definitely empowering. And Murrays right about E, def a great reflection on you that he's so advanced!
Bugger. M screaming and just been jumped on by T. Better go. You see, this is what happens when I try to do something for myself...!
Hello ladies !
Just a quickie to say Hi
Marbles how did op go ? Hope you are doing well. Have you tested or did AF arrive ?
Buddha WOW that is a massive loss in such a short time - well done you ! Don't be disheartened if the pace slows down as it it prob will but it is more likely to stay off if it comes off slowly after the initial loss - so pleased for you as you sound way more upbeat than a few weeks ago. How is E's behaviour ?
Nemo well done posting at all mrs. It must be really tough if you and DH are not getting on well when you are so tired. Having a newborn in the house is very difficult when everyone tired - I can only imagine how much harder it is with another child to look after and the fact that you feel that you are doing way more than your fair share. A holiday sounds like a great idea - where you off to ?
All is well here - off up North to my parents' with E for a few days tmrw - looking forward to relaxing and letting grandparents entertain E . On the TTC front things are not great. Started trying again this cycle and despite the fact that my last cycle was completely 'normal' this cycle has been crap - EWCM on and off for over a week and yet another AWOL egg - am gutted as had been getting better and better each month then last month 'perfect' then this nonsense . Trying not to let it get to me, but unless temp rises tmrw or Tue then we will have missed the boat this month as DP not coming away with us so no SWI opportunity after tonight - so annoying given that we have now been at it for 2 whole bl00dy weeks ! Arrgghhhh.... Anyway, trying to be relaxed about it... not very successfully though ! Anyway, will report back on my return.
Nemo Hmm maybe I should be rethinking this two children idea of mine you sound exhausted my lovely, I hope the holiday rejuvenates you as it sounds as if you could do with a break. Make sure you put your feet up and let DH get on with it (watch him fall apart )
Murray Bloody hell how sh*t is that, normal cycles until you decide to ttc then they go to pot no wonder your it is such a head f**k this getting pg malarky, hope you got a rise before you went away
I had a +ve OV test yesterday so had to dtd with a hangover first time I've been proper full on drunk in well over a year (oops diet) but I had a lovely time at a friends bbq, I even decided it would be good fun to get in her swimming pool fully dressed and with my Iphone in my bra needless to say the phone is sat in a box of rice and I''m praying every night to the god of Iphones that it will work again (but really not holding my breath) Good job I don't get that drunk too often
Well I had my day 21 blood test results today, I did ask GP if it mattered if I ov late as it varies cycle to cycle and she assured me it wouldnt make a different. Well they came back as normal and no action to be taken but when I googled my results it didn't agree with that, my FSH levels show depletion of ovarian reserve but on further googling it seems that you MUST be 7dpo for them to be effective and have day 3 tests too, so back to GP on the 29th armed with my info and ask for retests whilst trying not to panic in the meantime
Buddha just wanted to pop on and say that I have no idea about FSH levels but I am almost certain that is DOES matter that bloods are taken 7 days after ovulation (which for most people won't be day 21). If I had bloods taken at day 21 I would not have ovulated some cycles. If you ov'd later than day 14 that probably explains your lower levels - not that I want to give false hope, but it does matter so make sure GP listens when you go back demanding answers. Good on you for persevering.
Oh and am impressed by dtd with hangover and even more impressed by drunken antics - LOL - how is your iPhone ? DP's stopped working when E dribbled in his as a baby - he left it in a hot car for a few hours and that dried it out.
News from here is that temp finally rose on Tuesday morning, so in the nick of time. Fingers crossed .
Happy Birthday Nemo Hope DH makes it up to you for the all other celebration days
Buddha any news from you ? Do you plan to test or wait until AF is late ?...
Likewise I have everything crossed for a result for you mrs xx
Same here - sore b00bs once in a while but am also ignoring as I remember during my 'break' cycle feeling twinges and thinking that if I had been trying I'd have been taking that as PG sign... so at least I now know better and just ignore anything that may raise my hopes - although I know if AF arrives I will be sooo gutted. Going to see my PG friend for the weekend - she is 22 weeks so will have a little bump. I sooo want to know that I'm PG when I see her. AF due Fri/Sat - fingers crossed <mustn't get hopes up>
Murray How does af have some immaculate timing? Visited friend and her 14 month old dd Monday, E was an absolute darling, he looked after her, played with her, helped her up when she fell over, wiped her mouth, fed her fruit, he was adorable and I nearly cried thinking what a fantastic big brother he would make. Went to the loo before I left and just to kick me whilst Im down af has arrived, bloody fantastic! Oh well onward and upwards
Any more symptoms for you?
Buddha I am so sorry, that is dreadful and such awful timing . It is so unfair esp when E was such a good wee helper and you realised what a fab big brother he would be (and hopefully WILL be). When is your appt with GP about FSH levels and timing of bloods ? I don't know if it makes any difference to you but I always find when AF arrives I try to take action and do something positive to help me get a step closer to my goal. Could you try taking flaxseed (promotes healthy ovulation and is just generally a fertility superfood). B100 is good for helping hormones work effectively. D3 if you don't get enough sunlight (not such as issue at this time of year). Vit C - your body only uses what it needs so you can't take too much. How about acupuncture or reflexology ? Do you chart temps - there is a lot to be learned about what your body is up to from temping. Maybe you are better off not obsessing, we are all different. Just for me, I feel the need to take control so actions work for me mentally to stay positive.
Nothing to report from here - thought AF was arriving earlier as had very mild cramps - then I remembered I had the same last cycle when not trying so prob means AF in the post. That said, I also have achy boobs which could be down to the fact that I have a cold starting which can make you feel achy so maybe just that - no idea. AF due Fri/Sat - I'll be gutted if it arrives just as I arrive at my friend's house and see her lovely bump
Hi Ladies
nice to see so many posting
buddha so sorry AF got you she got me too...on the morning of my op...and i hadnt brought any tampons bloody typical! they insisted on doing a preg test before the op aswell...despite me saying "im on my period im not preg" good to see you looking into your levels etc and not letting the GP fob you off! i have never had any of those tests as my cycle was so erratic they can give false readings. you have to have the day 21 test on your day 21 if you get me...so 7 days post ov whenever that is for you. it makes a HUGE difference to the level if it is done on the wrong day.
murray hope AF stays away for you
nothing new here...had my op...all went well and recovering well. DH and I have had some issues recently but we are working through them and barely TTC at all TBH if things carry on how they are i dont really want to bring another child into it as DH and I most likely wont stay together. we are talking about things though and the future looks a little brighter...
marbles how ridiculous that the hospital made you test even though af had arrived have you fully recovered from op now? Sorry to hear things have been so bad with you and dh I hope you can make it work and sort things out x
No AF here but tested yesterday and BFN so am very concerned that I'm going to have the same a June where I get 'slightly' PG but then have an early MC . Going to test in the morning - praying that HcG levels rise enough to give a proper BFP or AF just arrives late as cannot bear the faint lines for days then it all goes wrong. Such a head f@ck.
How you doing Buddha ?
BFN absolutely gutted. Am now 15dpo so 4 days late. My body is clearly completely broken as is my spirit
Oh Murray its shit isn't it. No other way to describe it but complete and utter shit the whole ttc malarkey I'm so sorry your body is giving you a total head f**k. No advice sorry but tons of empathy and sympathy as I know how you're feeling. Go eat some chocolate and have a good cry see if that will make you feel better x
Update - called to speak to GP yesterday as was concerned that my body was not allowing AF to start despite BFN on Tuesday and Wednesday. She asked me to drop off a FMU sample to the surgery which I did and she called me this afternoon to tell me I'm definitely PG ! However, given that it has taken until 18dpo to get a positive result I am very cautious about it being ok so I asked if I could have my HcG levels checked which they are going to do on Monday . I have read a lot on google this week (big mistake) about late implantation and high risk of MC associated with it (85%)... even if it wasn't a late implantation then why on earth did it take so long for BFP ?.... I am not jumping up and down - a long way from it. I am quietly happy and desperately hoping all is well. Cross your fingers for me ladies.
Murray Everything crossed for you my lovely. Let's hope hcg levels show its progressing successfully
Hi ladies
murray congrats!! Il be eagerly awaiting the CBD result tomorrow
buddha hi there lovely! Hope you are doing well
No news here... AF due any day now and I can feel PMT all around at the mo so no doubt she will rock up when she's not welcome (always) and we have barely had any sexuals this cycle but things are better between DH and me seems like we are back on track so we will see
CBD still says 1-2 weeks so hCG levels still very low - 2 weeks behind where they should be . I am starting to properly freak out about ectopic as levels are rising but very, very slowly. Can't concentrate at work (hence why I'm on here) and just want to cry. I can't take much more of this sh!t.
Marbles fingers crossed for you mrs xx
Got hCG results from yesterday - 142 which is really low. Going back tomorrow for another set of bloods to compare. GP doing bloods so I will raise my concerns about ectopic with her. Am glad I did the CBD this morning as it took the sting out of the blood results as I already knew levels were lower than 200. Last night's strong BFP gave me hope but it appears to have been false hope
murray it's not over yet so...142 is better than a big fat nothing and it was the first blood test. Who knows what the next will say! CBDs are notorious for being shit too... They are in no way helping so drop that HPT and relax and say after me "today I am pregnant" forget about tomorrow/next week/ months ahead etc put your feet up with a cuppa, watch something funny on telly and repeat "today I am pregnant" because you are and despite blood results and CBDs putting a downer on things today you have a little teeny ball of potential and even if next week things are still worrisome then it can be dealt with next week etc
I know exactly the limbo you are in...I have insider knowledge as do we all. The "today I am pregnant" mantra helped me enjoy what little time I had the last time I was upduffed and funny thing is, it hurt the same when it went wrong even though I let myself get excited. I just have some nice little moments with DH to attach to it too instead of steadfast ignoring of the situation...
<brushes down sergeant major uniform and stiffly matches across room>
That sounds sterner than it is meant but you know what I mean!
PS can you guys believe that we have known eachother for 5 years soon?!!
Hi Marbles - 5 years ! Really !!!! wow . I guess after that length of time yuo are allowed to give me a stern talking to. I can see where you are coming from but I have to be realistic. I have not given up every inch of hope jusy yet, but I'm preparing myself for the worst tomorrow. TBH my biggest concern at the moment is that we go on holiday next Thu and if this is ectopic there will be no holiday as I imagine I'd have to have an operation. I know it may seem incidental but we have been looking forward to it for ages - such sh!tty timing. Goodness knows I need a holiday after the past few months.
Not good news - GP agrees that hCG levels are worryingly low and also suspects ectopic. She is going to talk to the consultant who dealt with my MC in December on Friday and see where we go from here. When I told her I had a holiday in a week she grimaced so I'd better get my holiday insurance sorted tonight
murray sorry the GP isn't too optimistic can I just as though... How may weeks are you? It's just that (too much time on my hands today) I had a little work out and if you are 5 weeks ish, although a little low 142 is still within the normal range and if they keep doubling you would be at over 2000 by 6+1(going by the 5 weeks assumption) at which point they can see things happening on the scan... I will be your optimistic PITA until proven otherwise...
AF hasn't arrived as yet... Il give it til the weekend and test...
I am lurking will be back to post this evening
Still got everything crossed for you murray and it sounds as if I have to do the same for you Marbles as you kept it uncrossed this month
Murray What a mess, thank goodness your GP has got some sense or you would be trying to figure this out all on your own. If the CBD shows 1-2 wks will you still "feign" stomach ache and go to the hospital? It does seem as though they are not listening to you, typical NHS where they know what they know and won't listen to anything else I am so sorry that this has turned into such a nightmare for you, I don't think you've had one glimmer of happiness since the late bfp, and the timing with your holiday etc couldn't be worse. I have no advice but will be here if you need me
Marbles At least you have some good news that you and dh are getting on better Wow to 5 years too, we have been through some stuff since the start!
CBD says 2-3 weeks so levels have risen since Weds . Going to cancel holiday. Feel absolutely fine - no niggles like I had been having - but then I was concerned the 'niggles' were partly me over-analyzing anyway ! May try feigning pain and if I am still fobbed off then I'll go privately - trans-vaginal scan is 350 so not too bad .
Aww murray so sorry you are still in limbo! I'm going to continue to be your source of optimism though good news that the consultant doesn't think EP is a threat and that your levels are slowly rising (could be a slow burner) feel free to tell me to shut up/feck off if my boundless optimism isn't what you need though...
I can't believe how the MW spoke to you though I would speak to PALS or the head MW as at this delicate time she should be reassuring you not yelling at you horrible cow!
Not yet... I have a couple of tescos HPTs waiting for tomorrow morning (DHs birthday) but I have just been the loo and I had a very tiny little thin teeny weeny blood streak on wiping (TMI I know) so tiny I wasn't sure if it was my eyes seeing things not really there... I have been very tired, feeling icky, headaches, MASSIVE knockers, oh and AF is almost a week late going by my cycle length over the last 6 months...(28, 26, 28, 21, 27, 27) I'm now up to CD34 which is not so hugely long but compared to recently its late... I'm pretty sure I'm going to land with a bump very soon...<buries head in sand -doesn't take own advice>
I will keep everything crossed for a bfp and sticky bean good luck for the morning. Let us know how you get on x
Will do
How are you buddha?
I'm ok thanks Marbles currently on 2WW but zero symptoms (surprise surprise) after this cycle it will officially be 12 months of ttc (which I know compared to yourself is no time at all) but all I hear is time a ticking for this old bird
murray good luck today my lovely
I've been up all night with E terrible cough and wheeziness, spent all night watching his breathing which wasn't right took him to access clinic this morning and he's got croup. Poor little sausage
buddha poor E (and you too) DD had coupe as a regular occurrence when she was little. It's horrid isn't it I hope he gets better soon. If he's struggling, put the shower on hot so your bathroom fills with steam and sit in there for 10 mins. It helps relieve the wheeze a bit.
murray how are you feeling today?
AF arrived closely following my BFN so I am 1 cycle away from 5 years TTC... Excellent
Marbles sorry she got you after making you wait as well Fuve years! Told you my one was nothing in comparison
Marbles so sorry she got you and on DH's birthday too . Five years is a bl00dy long time mrs - respect to you for hanging on in there.
Buddha how far into 2ww are you ? Poor wee E , you will have a fun few days ahead.
Well I called this morning feigning abdominal pain and as soon as she asked me how many Pgs I'd had and whether they all gone to term I broke down - not a cunning ploy, just genuinely upset having to explain about 20wk MC and early MC in June. It did the trick as the lady was so understanding and had me up for scan within an hour. They saw what "could be" a gestational sac in my uterus but also said it was so tiny that it could just be fluid. Then did an internal scan and saw the same. They had a close look at tubes and ovaries and saw nothing untoward, however they explained that given my low hCG levels the 'embryo' may still be too small to be detected so they cannot confidently rule out ectopic.
Everyone, sonographer, staff nurse and gynae dr were lovely and so helpful. They took more bloods so I will get results tomorrow and we will see where to go from there. Dr said that he is not overly concerned about ectopic as not displaying any signs (other than my made up pain on my right side which was a bit embarassing as sonographer said I'd ovulated from left side - oops !). In all likelihood it is either ectopic or just a 'simple' "non-continuing pregnancy". Anyway, we'll see what tomorrow brings. My best case is that hCG levels plummet and I miscarry spontaneously so there is a chance I can salvage some of my holiday. I know it sounds heartless but I have known from the outset that something is wrong here so I never really got my hopes up properly - I just want it to end so that I can move on. I am hugely relieved to have the possibility of ectopic reduced so am less worried now. Hopefully get some sleep tonight
I am so glad you encountered some of life's lovely people today who took you seriously and that has obviously made you feel much better. I will still secretly hope for good news for you, but you know your body best x x
HI Buddha - results this evening and it was no surprise to be told that hCG levels had dropped - I don't know by how much as I was in the car with DP, DS, MIL and FIL when they called (great timing !) so I didn't really say much. Anyway, cramping started this afternoon and bleeding started this evening (as we were out for dinner with in laws). I have to go up to hospital in the morning to have more bloods taken - will get results in the afternoon. I will ask (beg) then if I can just assume it is a simple MC so that I can go on holiday. I am pretty confident that that is where I am - esp given they saw nothing in tubes and a potential sac in uterus. Surely they will let me go and jet off to Spain on Thu and enjoy my 2 weeks with DS and DP. We will have to get hunting for acmdtn as the owner of the house we were renting has let it out for some of the duration of our stay as we had to cancel . Still have flights and I'm sure the beach is comfy enough ! I am probably the happiest person who ever had a MC and it is a far better prospect than an ectopic PG - phew ! I feel like I have dodged a massive bullet.
Murray that it's an mc but that it wasn't ectopic also that you can still salvage a holiday from this. I'm sure you could tie E to a sunbed whilst sleeping on the beach
Sorry forgot to answer question day 22 with Af due Saturday, zero symptoms so not holding my breath. On holiday Monday so at least I'll have something to look forward to when I dip at the weekend
Buddha an symptoms to report ?
I'm still at home - should be on my flight to Spain right now . I got a call yesterday afternoon as I was finishing up at work to tell me that the Consultant is very concerned about ectopic (despite the fact that I appear to be miscarrying) as hCG levels are not dropping quickly enough . So, we had to cancel our holiday AGAIN - we had just confirmed the booking that we had previously cancelled at the weekend. We hadn't bought insurance yet (stupid but we always buy it last minute - now I realise that is a BIG mistake) so we have lost out on a fair bit of money. Thankfully we were able to reschedule flights so we have pushed them forward to next May. In the meantime they want to see me Tuesday which is rubbish as it just prolongs not going on holiday and I NEED a holiday right now. So, I have chased hospital and asked if they can come up with some sort of plan where we could track bloods to see if they are consistent with ectopic or MC. In my heart I believe it is 'just' a MC as I have med-heavy bleeding, cramps etc... exactly like a MC. I guess they have to err on the side of caution as you can bleed with ectopic but deep down I KNOW this is just a precaution and it is pissing me off as if we could prove it is MC in the next few days I could book flights for early next week. Otherwise I will have to go back to work next week and explain to people why I am not in Spain . Lady luck is def not looking down on me at the moment.
Murray Well when things go wrong for you they sure go wrong it's like you are destined not to have this holiday just days of stress I hope they can come up with something quickly that will enable you to salvage something from this mess
Absolutely no symptoms so just waiting for Af at the weekend now <sigh>
murray so sorry all is still up in the air I hope you get some answers soon and you can at least have some you time whilst you are off work
buddha good luck for the weekend
Murray Any news on a plan of action for you yet?
Marbles Meant to say before congrats on new job clever girl
Buddha are you late...? crossing everything mrs
No news from here - hospital just told me to come in on Tuesday, they are clearly not as interested in me going on holiday as I am ! MC has almost finished and had some very faint BFPs so hoping the hCG levels are decreasing quickly enough to get the go ahead to jet off to the sun next week
Oh yes I saw your FB status Marbles - when do you start ? Well done missus
Murray I wish <sigh> but I ov'd late this month so af usually appears around ish day 28/29 no point testing. Can't face the disappointment as I'm sure it will appear later today ready to gatecrash my holiday
Buddha I'll just be quietly confident for you . Please pop in and update me as I'll be watching this space...
AF is here tew gatecrashed this morning
Oh Buddha I'm so sorry, I was getting hopeful for you . How are you feeling ? Big glass of wine prescribed by me xx
I got good news yesterday as hcg down to 6 so got discharged and booked a fortnight's holiday in Gran Canaria leaving on Sunday - whoopeee !
Also, while I was having bloods taken yesterday I was asking questions about the possibility that I have antibodies after the baby I lost in Dec - I am rhesus -ve and my baby was +ve. I was given anti-D but wanted to know whether there was a risk that my baby's blood crossed mine prior to delivery therefore the 72 hours window for administering anti-D was missed..? The nurse was unable to answer my question but as I got emotional talking about the delivery and loss in Dec she referred me to the recurrent MC clinic. Technically I have had 3 MCs now but we know why the 1st one happened so I have only had 2 for unknown causes therefore I am really surprised and grateful that they are wiling to investigate. DP and I have to go to have bloods taken at end Oct then we will get appt with consultant to discuss results
Murray Thank goodness you have finally got somewhere, a holiday and an appointment about the mcs, brilliant I just hope you have more success than we did, we got a bit disheartened that there wasn't something we could "fix" if you know what i mean? Have a fantastic holiday my lovely you deserve it.
I'm ok about af, well i haven't had chance to think about it tbh we are having a fantastic time on holiday, Ewan hasn't stopped and although I was a bit snobby apprehensive about Butlins I can't fault it.
No Murray no talk
Moomin I know you're lurking! Get you're ass on here
Hey Buddha
I'm currently sitting in our car with DH waiting for RAC to come as our shed car has conked out
How's things? I take it by your pics on FB that you all had a lovely holiday E is looking so grown up and handsome
Marbles Hope you've finally got home? We did have a fab holiday thanks, glad you liked the photos I saw a lovely one of S today. How's she doing?
I knew it, I knew it, I knew you were lurking
I've got used to it now, but there's no way you can do a proper catch up on it but its not too bad when you're up to date Come on in and post a little
Practice makes perfect
Went to GP this morning, she was fab, but is concerned that we are not getting a confirmed ovulation with the bloods that have been taken, last month I only got a faint line on OPK, due to age and length of time we've been ttc she wants to refer me to the hospital once I've had some bloods done and after DH has had his swimmers checked. I know that this is a good thing, but I am feeling really low at the moment. It took us 2 years to conceive the first time, followed by 3 m/cs and then a rather stressful pg and birth, etc etc etc and I seem to be surrounded by people that say "I want a/another baby" and just have one I know this is a very similar rant to anyone else ttc at the moment, I wish I could turn off this feeling of wanting another child, or at least have someone say you will not have another child so I can stop hoping and just get my head around being grateful for E We sorted out the spare room at the weekend and put the pram up in the attic (should have done it AGES ago) but it kind of felt symbolic, I think I kept it out in the hope we would have use for it again
So sorry to go on with the same old crap but just needed to offload in one of the few places I can
Hello ladies ! I'm back and full of energy and after a fabulous holiday . Weather, food, wine were all fantastic. E learned to swim . It was just exactly what we all needed. Feeling so relaxed about everything, I can't even remember which day I ov'd as didn't bother noting temps and the days were merging into each other !!
Moomin keep practising mrs
Marbles how is your car ? You TTC this cycle ?
Buddha my lovely lady, I sooo know how you feel.If someone could take away every glimmer of hope it would be easier to move on and accept having an only child and be grateful for that child. However, as long as the glimmer remains there is a nagging voice reminding you that "maybe one day..." I actually swapped over summer for winter wardrobe clothes tonight and yet again I kept my maternity clothes within reach "just in case".... When we moved E into a bigger bedroom the nursery was left as is, again, "just in case".... even though DP is itching to convert it into a study. It is so difficult when others seems to fall PG so easily and sail through 9 months then pop out a baby - simples ! At one point on my holiday I realised I was in the pool with 2 baby bumps (just the bumps and me - lovely) and one of the husbands of one of the bumps asked DP if we were planning another baby - FFS !!! Thank goodness I was feeling way calmer and more relaxed about our situation ! Buddha please feel free to come on and rant as much as you like, I know exactly where you are coming from and often have similar thoughts. Good news about getting tested though - I know your age may reduce your chances but it will also ensure they don't hang about. Hopefully you will know something soon. Big virtual hug xx
Anyway, news from here is that we had lots of holiday 'fun' and as ov wasn't delayed by much after MC I am now on the 2ww (which wasn't the plan, but equally it wasn't not the plan either....) I think I am about 7-8dpo. Have had spotting for the past 2-3 days, mild cramps and very tingly/sore boobs on and off. I have to say there is part of me dreading a BFP (I know it sounds ridiculous) but I have so little confidence in it working out that I just dread yet another MC with days/weeks of a tiny amount of hope until MC confirmed. It is my birthday tomorrow so maybe a little belated bday pressie at the weekend .... ? If so, pleeease let it be a sticky one.
Murray Hope you had a wonderful birthday! So glad you managed to have a relaxing holiday, you really sound bouncy Thanks for the empathy and virtual hug it was much needed Looks like its just us two on hear so we can have our own personal moaning spot with the odd drop in (come on girls give us some support)
Any more symptoms to report? When is af due? Mine is due Monday, I'm currently ignoring all the shitty arse probably fake symptoms that my body is trying to fool my head with and just waiting for TEW to fly in.
Buddha I had a lovely birthday thanks - I was very spoiled and spent today splashing a lot of cash in the shops - my arms and feet ache but I have a whole new winter wardrobe, bring on the cold weather !!!
So, what are your "fake" symptoms then.... go on humour me and tell me.... You never know mrs
I am due AF today. Did a test this morning but it didn't work, the control line didn't appear grrr... and it was a CB so not cheap ! I did a cheapie test an hour ago and and it was BFN (held wee for 6 hours !) I will test again tomorrow. My LP has been 11 days since I lost the baby in Dec but prior to that it had always been 13 days so maybe it is returning to normal in which case am due Monday too... Glad we are here for each other mrs xx
Come on you other ladies - join in the chat
Check you out with your new wardrobe what's the betting you get pg now so none of it will fit Gutting that the cb test didn't work, but of a cheek the price they charge!! Might have been too early if. Lp is now 13 days with 2nd test especially as it wasn't FMU
Well my symptoms are sore (.)(.) twinges in lower tummy, very emotional, nauseous and v tired. It's probably a virus
Hi ladies
Lovely to see you both
Ooh symptoms! I hope you both get the BFP and it is a sticky marvel! ;)
I am on CD5 I think as AF turned up late again...I have started getting odd hot flushes the past few weeks and a very achey bloated lower left abdo region so I'm pretty sure something is amiss in there. I'm thinking the big cyst has made a reappearance but it must be playing on my mind as I vividly dreamt I had ovarian cancer last night so yet another GP visit on the cards for me I think. Plus Lupus has flared up and I am aching all over and generally feeling shite...
Sorry for the mememe post...
Marbles so sorry you're feeling so poorly at the moment. Scary dreams too Is there anything you can do when your lupus flares up?
Murray Anything to report?
Well still no af for me. Might do a cheapie test in morning, but I just know it will be -ve it's just my body playing tricks again
Hi ladies
buddha sounds good il lurk while I work tomorrow to await an update ;)
murray so sorry you feel like AF is on her way! I hope your temp surprises you with a leap tomorrow
I haven't been to the Dr yet. My lovely job is 9-5:30 with no wiggle room apart from during school hols so I will get an appt next week unless I feel much worse.
BFN I hate my body
Buddha so sorry your body is messing with you. Maybe still too early for BFP ?... If you were only due yesterday then there is still hope - any sign of AF coming ?..
News from here is that I got a very, very faint BFP - TBH by 14dpo (given I am now 3 days late) I would have expected it to be darker if healthy so I am assuming that it is the same as the last 2 times and I will MC soon. Will test over the next few days to see what happens but cannot get my hopes up as I will only be disappointed . Surely 3 x MC in a row means my body is well and truly broken. I guess on the bright side there is no problem with conception it is just getting the blighters to stick that is the issue.
Murray Not again Like you said on the bright side you can conceive but wonder what's stopping it continuing? Worth a trip to GP? Have you had anything through about your referral yet?
Still can't believe you might have to go through all that waiting crap again. But I'll still hold a little hope in my heart for you
Moomin I'll just pick myself up off the floor You alright my lovely? Good time at Centre Parcs?
Marbles How you feeling today?
Moomin !!!! lovely to see you . Pop in for a proper catch up and cheer us up mrs.
Buddha thanks for the support. I'll test in the morning and see whether line darkens or disappears altogether. Sooo frustraing. I don't mean to be ungrateful that my body 'tries' to get PG but it just delays the next opportunity meaning I only get a chance every 6-7 weeks between MCs and long cycles grrr... .
Any other lurkers out there ? pop in and see us ladies
Still no Af for me just want to get it over with so we can get the next set of tests done and get a referral. Been getting the odd bit of period pain but nothing
Murray Any news?
Moomin Glad you had a good time away. Wish I was off next week too. Work is manic at the moment
Buddha sorry to hear your body is messing with you. Hopefully AF will arrive and put you out of your misery. If not then you will have to get those pee sticks out again...
I got another very faint BFP this morning - not so faint that I had to squint at the window but faint enough. It was no darker than yesterday and have had some very mild AF cramping so hoping AF just gets on with it and buggers off before I have appt on 31st Oct to have bloods taken. Am so bored of my body taking to p!ss now. However, I am also mega busy at work which I find helps take my mind off things - keeping busy is a good coping strategy for me.
Moomin glad you had a good break - enjoy half term. Our schools are off this week which is a pain as DS has no pre-school tomorrow and I need to do some work form home arrghhh - the DVD babysitter will be employed
Wasn't tempted as I just knew I wasn't but af arrived this morning. For once I hopes comes too
Aww Buddha rubbish news . Onwards and upwards missus - when is your next appt ? What tests will be done ?
I have bloods for recurrent MC clinic on 31st - no idea when consultant appt will be though as I guess that is the important appt. What happened when you went to MC clinic (I'm sure you mentioned that a while back) ? I know it was inconclusive but interested to know what they tested for, if you know.
BIG glasses of wine tonight and it IS the weekend so all not bad
Right made it back! I've not got an appt as such, they will do my bloods again 7dpo, DH has to book in to have bloods done (diabetic and if his hbac1 bloods show that his average blood sugars are too high apparently it can affect fertility?) then he will have a sperm count done and my GP will then refer me to the hospital, she would prescribe me clomid but apparently GPs can't anymore has to be consultant now 
When we went to recurrent m/c clinic they checked me internally to ensure there were no obvious problems with my "equipment" then they did bloods to ensure we were genetically compatible and that was about it, then a bloody stupid registrar gave us the results and told us that we were "just one of life's statistics" Made us feel fantastic I just wanted to slap her across the face, insensitive B*tch
I just hope you have more luck than us, I think they would have done more tests if we weren't conceiving
Murray blinds aren't for a bit as they're 7 DPO rather than day 7. I think re diabetes if he keeps his blood sugars stable it will improve any reduced fertility but he's a crap diabetic tbh All our tests were done and results through in less than a month before so hopefully will be as quick for you too. Time is a bugger though and I'm do with you on the tick tick and constant arguing in my head over whether to quit or not Hope you've had a lovely weekend?
We had a food festival in town and Katy from CBeebies I can cook was here (after not being at Butlins when we went in Sept and disappointing dh and ds) it was brilliant, small venue and then she did a meet and greet (may have seen photos on FB) Ewan was so very excited as she picked him up for a cuddle and a chat, dh was very as he has a crush too. Now E can't say her name without a goofy smile it's so cute
Aww Buddha that is so sweet and LOL at DH being envious of DS gettng a cuddle !!!
Only 2 days until my appt - quite looking forward to it now as planning to arm myself with questions/info and if their timescales are too long then I'll be onto the private clinic to make an appt for ASAP. Either way I'm hoping to have more direction by the end of Weds .
D'oh yes of course 7dpo not Cd7 - what a plum ! Are you temping so that you know exactly when you ov ? ikwym about internal debate about giving in and accepting 1 child - I have that 'conversation' in my head frequently as I consider a 5 year age gap and the practicalities that go with that.... I'm quite determined that by March next year I will be ready to throw the towel in - there is only so much a girl can put herself and her family through.
Good luck for tomorrow x
Aww Buddha what a great big bag of shit today was . When I told the MW about latest MC she told me that we should not have been trying and that there is no point taking bloods until 6 weeks after latest MC so I'd have to go away and come back in 5 weeks - aarghhhh ! If the nurse who booked me into the recurrent MC clinic had told me that I'd have stopped trying last cycle. I am just sooooo pissed off as feel like we have taken a step backwards just when I was hoping to move forward an inch. She then booked us in for bloods on the day before the anniversary of losing our boy last year - I'm afraid at this point I burst into tears and walked out leaving poor DP alone wondering WTF !!! Being a man he had not clicked about the date and just thought I was mental ! I feel so, so low as I had pinned a lot of hope on today being a step in the right direction. I know in the grand scheme of things 5 weeks is nothing but right now it feels like a lifetime to me - I just want answers and to move on . I'm really starting to struggle with all of this shit - there are only so many knocks a person can take without cracking.
Oh Murray that is shit we got knocked back first time we went as I had a bfp a week before we got there so they turned us away and we had to go to the end of the list and wait when we mc'd again No wonder you had a meltdown when they picked such an unfortunate date but maybe it's an omen? Maybe your little one is sending a sign (trying to spin it for you hun) Blokes never get the whole date thing and I know you thought you'd be we'll into another pg before you reached the first anniversary instead of on this crap roller coaster you can't get off without making a conscience decision and breaking a piece of your heart off in the process So does this mean no more ttc before next appt?
Buddha you have hit the nail on the head there - but then I guess you know exactly how I feel as you are going through the same crap . No more TTC until next year I reckon. Trying to put a positive spin on it, I guess that means I can drink wine and champagne over the festive season without any worry that I might be PG. For some bizarre reason the MW said that they would do the bloods (testing for blood clotting, chromosome issues etc..) then see consultant and if noting comes up then that is it ! I asked at what point they would monitor my hormones over the course of a cycle (day 3 and day 21 bloods) and she looked at me as if I were mad and said that they didn't do that and she figured that was a GP thing ! So, in an attempt to pick myself up and do something positive (my coping mechanism, I struggle when I feel I can't push things forward) I have made an appt with my GP for 2 weeks time. She is lovely and is really understanding so hoping I can get her to take day 3 & day 21 bloods in my next cycle. IMHO the clotting tests are a waste of time and the MW almost said as much herself yesterday as I have 2 healthy PGs so no reason to think any issue with clotting/chromosomes etc... I reckon the late MC has messed up my hormones and I just need them fixed - no idea if it is that simple ! I also found out that I don't have anti-bodies from rhesus -ve with +ve baby - this was my biggest worry so I guess that is progress. However, I only found that out because I was knowledgeable and pushed her on it - she then offered to call the blood transfusion people and it turned out I was tested for anitbodies in Dec last year and Sept this year and there were none - why the feck did nobody tell me that ???! Anyway, plan of action now is to get hormones tested by GP, go for MC bloods early Dec and then chase the results from early Jan. If the appt we are given with NHS consultant is weeks and weeks away we will get GP to refer to private clinic and see a consultant there quickly - also if tests have all been done on NHS we save a fortune . So, I just have to accept that all is on hold and for now and i get to enjoy some festive tipples before getting back 'on the horse' early next year. Not ideal given my impatience but not much choice and my body needs a break.
I feel so much better with a plan
Murray All sounds scarily similar to our experience although 21 day bloods done by our gp first. It did feel like a waste of time and a massive let down tbh as I so wanted to "fix" whatever was wrong but I suppose it's another step towards our goal. I didn't want to go down the referral route again this time but it looks as if we don't have a choice In a twisted horrible way it is such a huge relief to be going through this with someone who "gets" it but I just wish we didn't have too
Chin up and start stocking up on bubbly I'll probably be joining you for a glass
I know exactly what you mean, I keep quiet about most of my thoughts and feelings as my RL friends must be soooo bored with it I just didn't want "intervention" again I suppose I just thought after all we went through, the 3 mcs the constant worry of losing another pg, m/s all the way through, placenta previa, spd resulting in crutches. Early birth, spinal puncture, nearly losing E, SCBU. I thought maybe we'd get a break this time (how stupid was I?) I'm such a whinge bucket
Did I scare you off with my whinging?
Took E to some fireworks last night, I was a bit nervous as he's ears are v sensitive to loud noises with his grommets but he loved it. Was shouting "again again" at the end and complaining it was too short, little monkey
Ha ha as if ! I am a moaning expert myself
We avoided fireworks as my E also has sensitivity to loud noises - he has always been freaked out by loud noises albeit he is far better now that he is older but I didn't fancy traipsing out in the cold for him to decide he didn't much like the noise ! We saw plenty from the window over the weekend and loads tonight
So how are you feeling this week ? When do you go for bloods ? Do you temp so you know when you ov'd or are you pretty regular ? I am about to start reading one of 2 books I bought the other day about raising an only child. Trying to accept that may be our situation now and make the best of it by seeing as many positives as possible instead of dwelling on what we are missing out on. Fingers crossed I convince myself it will all be good . I'm mega busy at work so time is flying in which is both good and bad. Been quite emotional recently with the highs and lows and anniversary approaching - really need to cheer up a bit !
No bloods booked in as not had a +ve opk this month, first time ever. Dh hasn't sorted his tests out, showing great commitment there then What are the books like? Might be buying those too at this rate Are you going to mark the anniversary in anyway?
oh sorry forgot to answer about anniversary. Not sure tbh. I had toyed with the idea of taking the day off work and going to the local memorial garden but I'll have time off the day before for bloods and am mega busy - plus DP unlikely to get tine off and I don't want to go alone. Will probably just raise a glass to him at home on the day and maybe go to the garden the weekend before. Shit am welling up just thinking about it .
Temping was always a pain in the arse for me so just do opks, need to order some more now too (was so hoping not too) DH and I have had a few heartfelt discussions the last few wks over to ttc or not and last night he turned round and said "gut reaction answer- do you want another baby?" It was yes for both of us so we will continue on this journey for a little longer but I'm finding it harder and harder emotionally to cope with. Pitfalls of only child? Apart from spoiling them what else is there? Would be interested to know (probably doing all of them)
whatever feels right for you on the anniversary will obviously be the right thing x
Buddha that is good that you both agree on the fundamental issue that you want another baby - just a pity it is not as easy as just SWI and 'hey presto'.
DP announced today that he is going away with work on the anniversary of losing our baby - great timing .
The pitfalls are just things that you would expect like spoiling them and the child being poor at sharing and interacting with other children, maybe becoming lonely without an ally. Also, interstingly there is a lot of focus on the fact that the parents will give their only child a lot of attention which is great for their development, however you can end up putting a lot of pressure on the child as all of your hopes and dreams are pinned on them - there are no others to share the burden of your expectations so they can feel like they haven't lived up to what you'd hoped etc... I found this bit very interesting as it made complete sense but I hadn't really given it much thought before. I'll let you know if there is anything else worth knowing. Definitely a book worth a look, albeit I am not bowled over by it !
that dh will be away (what date is it?) Maybe you could so something at the same time on the day, we always release a Chinese candle on Es birthday as a remembrance for our lost little ones.
Interesting about the book, I do worry that E gets a LOT of attention from me, and he shuts dh out a lot so had already decided in the new year to take small steps back to improve their relationship and me a break--
Well my other regular thread I'm now officially the last woman standing (one lovely lady who was ttc%231 has recently left the thread) as all that were ttc are now pg Feel like here on our thread is the only place I've got to go now even though they are all fantastic ladies but we all have diff priorities and I worry I'll bang on and on about my ttc issues and bore them to death
Aww you stick with me Buddha and we'll get there eventually. I had GP appt today and as I suspected she was lovely. She has booked me in the have day 3, 14, 21, 28 bloods taken in my next cycle - even though my cycles are irregular she thinks these intervals will work well. She has also suggested that I am tested for thyroid problems so will have bloods taken for that too - she is such a lovely lady . Bless her she didn't have a clue when I asked about hormone tracking but got straight onto her PC (hopefully not googling !) and got it all sorted for me. I asked what would be done if there was a problem and she very honestly admitted that she didn't have a clue but would find out ! Anyway, I have yet another AWOL egg this cycle - day25 and no rise . However, frustrations aside I have taken a very patient and sensible decision this morning to skip TTC next cycle. Partly to give my body another month to recover and also to allow myself the festive period to relax and quite frankly drink lots and enjoy myself guilt-free. Then hopefully by January I'll start to get answers and can TTC again. I reckon there is no point trying now until I find out what the problem is - it will just mean another 6+ week cycle and mess up the following cycle which means further delay. I'm hoping patience now will pay off later .
That is such a lovely idea to release a lantern - not sure I could cope with that and I'm pretty sure DP would baulk at the idea of something so concrete to mark the day. He said the other day that we shouldn't turn it into a big deal as it was such a sad day - this really upset me as all I could think was that it was still the day out boy was delivered - of course it was sad but I don't want him to just be forgotten about. I know DP will argue that he will never be forgotten but I just don't want to ignore the day. In some ways I'm now thinking it will be good that DP is away as it means I can take some time in the evening (when he was delivered) to look at the memory box and have a good old cry - if DP was there he would be trying to 'make me better' and stop me crying when that is not what I need. Anyway, enough rambling I am blubbing like a baby typing this xx
Sounds as if your GP is wonderful like mine, it really helps to get someone on your side so to speak to the missing egg this month, would clomid help that?
I'm waiting until next cycle for bloods as I didn't ov, af was due yesterday but no sign, although I know I'm not pg and even though there was no single reason to think I was I still tested yesterday (such a glutton for punishment) and surprise surprise it was -ve
Got to order some more OPKs today from ebay, whats worse is the ones that I've just finished using belong to one of my friends at work who has just gone on maternity leave so not only did she get pg within 2 months of trying but she'll have had the bloody baby and I'm stll trying ffs
Deep breath, rant over I can fit another cycle in before Christmas if af arrives soon, so will have another go
With regard to your little boys anniversary, I'm not sure why most men don't feel the need to mark anniversarys but us girlies do? I know we are more emotional creatures but obviously sentimental too. I think having a look at the memory box will be theraputic for you, light a candle, get a glass of vino and sob, bet you will feel much better the next day x x x