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Crisis of parenting confidence: Have I done everything wrong and spoilt DD for ever?

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mamadoc · 05/02/2008 09:58

DD is 9mo and my pfb but she does nothing that she is 'supposed' to do.
She does not sleep, she does not eat, she does not move, hell she doesn't even grow.
I am constantly being told by family, other mums and even a childless friend who admitted he gets all his info from supernanny that this is all my fault for breastfeeding on demand, not leaving her to cry and picking her up too much.
I am starting to believe now that they are right and I am wrong but I don't really know how to do things any other way.
I am going back to work pt next week and I'm honestly thinking that perhaps I should have gone back ft 3 months ago and left DD with childminder where she happily takes long naps and eats all her food.
I really feel such a failure. I have avoided going to an nct meet up today as I just can't face the comparisons. Can anyone help me feel better/show me a way forward please?

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AuntyThesis · 05/02/2008 10:01

i really think that you need to stand back and get some perspective. If you are sure there is no medical grounds - then the reasons you state are ..well a little silly to be getting overwrought about.

dont worry about it.

spoiled at 9 mo? not likley

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meep · 05/02/2008 10:04

mamadoc - it sounds like you have loved and cuddled your dd and made her happy - nothing wrong with that IMO.
Are your nct lot the comparison types? My group's babies all have very different things that they can and can't do (my dd 7mo has never and seems to have no desire to roll - just lays on her back quite happy!) and we all seem quite proud when one of the babies in the group does something new.
Never feel like a failure - if she is happy then so should you be

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cherryredretrochick · 05/02/2008 10:04

I f you dd really doesn't eat, sleep or grow I would take her to a dcotor.
You can not spoil a baby, they have no concept of malipulation at 9mo she is still a baby.
Don't beat yourself up, have a week off nct and spend some time doing you and dd things.
We used to have PJ days when my dd1 was tiny, we never got dressed, had the telly on all day, had no set meals and just picniced all day.
People are far too competative, they are babies for such a short time please teasure it or you will regret it later.

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sourgrape · 05/02/2008 10:05

sounds like your doing the best thing for your dd, with bf on demand etc

what do you mean by
she does not eat, she does not move, hell she doesn't even grow

can you go into more detail

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GrumpyMoo · 05/02/2008 10:09

It sounds like you are becoming really stressed by the situation and that your DD is picking up on it. This does not mean that it is your fault.

Her 'better' behaviour at the CM is most likely because she is not as overly focussed on. I don't mean it as critisicm as I had the same problem with my pfb but it soon went away as i learnt not too worry so much in her presence. It didn't stop me being worried I just decided not to let it show when she was around.

It sounds like you have all the right instincts, worrying about our kids is right up there with feeding them and clothing them! Wish they all came with instructuin books.

Everybody seems to have a peice of advice for everyone else even when they don't know what they are talking about, just learn to trust yourself. Your DD will grow, she will pass all the milestones. BUT in her own sweet time!

Chin up!

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ggglimhoho · 05/02/2008 10:10

mamadoc - babies don't read the books, watch supernanny or follow the rules. Hell, Einstein was apparently a difficult baby, a wayward toddler who said his first word at three and look how far he went....

Love your baby, cuddle away and trust your instincts.

PS My first two were model babies who ate, slept and developed by the book - then became feisty children who turned into wild teenagers.

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RubySlippers · 05/02/2008 10:11

i love advice from childless friends the most

FWIW, if your DD is genuinely not eating, growing etc then agree with Cherry that a quick trip to the doctors is in order.

I remember my DS "failing" his 8 month check with the HV as he didn't roll over

he didn't crawl until he was one, and didn't walk until he was 17 months so was "late" hitting a lot of milestones

he is totally FINE and am sure your DD is too

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onebatmother · 05/02/2008 10:11

Re: different behaviour when your dd is at childminder.
This is, I think, a sign of security. It means that she is confident that she will get what she wants/needs from you, and doesn't need to gain your approval because she already has it.
Someone told me that once, cheered me up no end..

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mamadoc · 05/02/2008 10:28

Doesn't eat: She seems to have very little interest in solid food. At her very best would eat about half a yoghurt pot of puree but often only a couple of teaspoons or half a piece of bread.

doesn't grow: she's always been very small but stuck to 0.4th centile then before Christmas was ill and fell off the centile entirely. I take her to be weighed every 2 weeks and the GP and HV harangue me about feeding her more but don't suggest anything helpful.

doesn't move: she could sit up well at 5months but since then no action at all. She shuffles just a tiny bit on her bum in circles but no effort towards crawling or pulling up at all.

doesn't sleep: she used to sleep 12hrs from 5mo-7mo then gradually one waking became two wakings became three wakings and now she won't go back to sleep after a feed or being rocked like she used to. Last night she was up for 3hrs until I took her in bed with us.

She is very pretty and cheery and has a lovely smile and an excellent pincer grip but that's about all the nice things I can think of.

I just feel I am to blame for her not doing all this stuff. If I breastfed her less would she eat more? If I carried her less would she move better? If I left her to cry would she learn to sleep?

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onebatmother · 05/02/2008 10:36

Oh Mamadoc, no, I don't think so, to all your questions.

I can't remember what all the milestones are, but are your GP/HV concerned?

If not, you must try and relax a bit. She sounds utterly gorgeous, those things you mention are more than 'nice', they are what most of us dream of in a baby!

Are you feeling depressed, do you think?

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titchy · 05/02/2008 10:36

No you're not to blame! If you carry her less she won't move better, although you could put interesting things a few feet away to encourage her to bottom shuffle towards them. If she wakes up hungry a few times a night though she may well need more solids - can you drop a breast feed in the day and give solids instead, or give solids then boob after? And you cannot spoil a 9 month old!!!

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mamadoc · 05/02/2008 10:41

Thank you for all your kind words everyone.
I don't think I am depressed exactly I just think my personality is not very suited to this motherhood thing. I admit I am a perfectionist I think too much and am overly sensitive to what other people think.

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RubySlippers · 05/02/2008 10:46

mamadoc - your DD sounds fine

You say she has always been small - so, she is built that way! Food is for fun until they are one (leanrt that on MN BTW, which is the font of all knowledge) so at the moment just introduce her to new tastes and textures and see what happens - they still need and want milk at 9 months

at 9 months, my DS just sat on his butt - seriously He would bend himself in two to reach something rather than crawl. Can she weight bear?

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onebatmother · 05/02/2008 10:52

Listen, I'm sure you are wonderful mother. It's hard to get your confidence up to speed, and I vividly remember that I would be v unsure in one phase, then a month later would feel like the Mothering Queen when things moved on a bit.

You can't make a child eat. Just keep offering, a big variety of stuff, partic things that she can hold in that excellent pincer grip.

Get a pretty but washable mat/rug (two in fact, one on floor, one in wash) so that you can let her eat on the floor without worrying about perfectionist carpets etc.

Am wondering whether you feel also a little distanced from her?

If so, try and put yourself in situations which will reassure yourself that you have an irreplaceable bond with her.

You can do this just by being with her, not by doing things that make you feel a guilty failure.

Do things with her that you enjoy, not what other people are doing or the stuff in books that actually bores you to tears. Get out of the house, go into town to proper shops if you like that kind of thing, talk to her, show her things. You don't have to be doing nursery rhymes of freaking pasta shapes in a plastic bottle stuff all the time.

Bit rambly, hope it makes sense, sorry if barking up wrong tree.

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tobytortoise · 05/02/2008 10:54

Babies are just all different. DS1 was one of those who was 'first to do everything', very mobile early on, took to solids straightaway (at 5 1/2 months), sleeping well in his own room at 3 months etc.

DS2 is the absolute opposite, still breastfed on demand, sleeps in my bed, no desire to move / sit / eat solids / sleep throught the night etc at almost 7 months. But like your baby, he is very content, smiley and gorgeous. And I am GLAD he is not crawling etc as it makes life much easier !

Same Mum, different babies and I love them both the same. Please don't worry, you sound lovely and caring. In a couple of years no-one will care or remember which baby did what when.....it just doesn't matter

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StressTeddy · 05/02/2008 10:57

IMo opinion you cannot love them too much, you cannot hold them too much, you cannot give them too much attention
Personally, I think it sounds like you are doing a wonderful job
Comparisons are hard not to do but I can assure you they absolutely do not help!!
You may also be a little anxious about going back to work next week and you may be trying to justify your impending absence by saying she would be better if you were away from her
Good luck next week darling and keep up the good work
You are a good mum
Love to you

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TillyScoutsmum · 05/02/2008 11:00

Just wanted to add that my 9 month old isn't doing much either - she rolls around but still not great at sitting up, no signs at all of crawling and has no interest whatsoever in standing

She also wakes up a lot in the night and, whilst she will eat puree, finger food or anything slightly more lumpy is just a no no..

I read yesterday that 42% of 9 month olds do not sleep through... Made me feel a bit better because of lot of people at nct group etc. seem to have babies who have slept through from 10 weeks, eat anything, crawl/cruise around etc etc

Your dd sounds happy and contented and I'm sure they'll catch up at some point

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mamadoc · 05/02/2008 11:03

Sitting on her butt is about it for DD too! She can stand holding onto things if I put her there but just isn't at all bothered about pulling up. If something she was playing with rolls away from her she just plays with something else even her own hands or her clothes. Anything rather than move. My mum thinks its because I don't put her on her tummy much (she hates it and always cries). She can roll over but never more than once usually to escape from the dreaded tummy time.

I am very confused about the solids/ bf timing thing I have variously been told to offer before, after or at a totally different time. TBH it just seems totally random how much she'll have. The one time she ate a whole pot of puree was right after a full bf. She will fairly reliably eat fruit purees, bananas, bread and baked beans but anything else is completely hit and miss.

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StressTeddy · 05/02/2008 11:03

Oh one more thing - apart from the odd bit of mush and letting my ds suck on things - I really didn't bother too much about what solids he was eating until he was one

It takes the pressure off

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weejie · 05/02/2008 11:03

Hi

a bit of a cat amongst the pigeons here. I was breastfeeding on demand, had no routine and was being treated as a human dummy all night (up every hour and a half)...and my daughter wasn't so interested in food during the day as she was eating all night. And I couldn't get her back to sleep sometimes even if I did bf.

I eventually got heartily sick of it all, and got her into a routine, something I swore I'd never impose. But then I thought about it,and I like breakfast, lunch and dinner at round about the same time, and I like to know when I'm going to bed and getting up, so I started to have very structured days. I found the book the BabyWhisperer really useful t help with this. Its a very gentle routine option.

Then I had to deal with the fact she wasn't hungry in the day cos she was bf all night and it wasn't giving her enough nutrition so she was skinny.

So I gave her bottles at night, then started watering down the formula.

then when the formula was pretty much water and she started eating more in the day I felt confident she wasn't waking up cos she was hungry (although maybe a mite peckish) I started controlled crying. Something else I swore blind I'd never do. But actually it was fine. I lay her down in her cot and held her on her side reasonably firmly so she couldn't jump up, but still gently, and stroked her hair till she was calm and when she was nodding off stopped and left the room. She would then cry, I'd leave her for 10 - 15, then I'd go back and repeat the performance. each time I left the room the cries got less and less, and she knew I was coming back, but as it wasn't immediately she eventually accepted being on her own to drift back to sleep.

First night this went on for 4 hours, then the next 3, then 1.5, then 45 mins, now she sleeps all night, every now and then waking at 5.30, but regularly 12 sometimes even 13 straight through. Its like she's making up for all he sleep she missed!

She's a great eater now, and she also loves her cot. She was a bit ill the other day and I tried to bring her into bed with me. She kept pointing at the door, and I took her back to her room where she pointed at the cot, and sighed with satisfaction when I put her down.

So, my advice is that a flexible routine is good - you both know where you are.

You have to make sure she is reasonably hungry when you offer her food, so leave gaps between the bf and the solids, which a routine can help with.

And some babies almost need to be taught to sleep. Gradual retreat (as I'm informed what I did is called) is not the same as leaving a baby to scream alone in a room for hours.

If unstructured days and bf on demand works for you, its great, but it sounds like its not working. Imposing a bit of a routine doesn't mean you can't do attachment parenting, and doesn't mean you're a bad mother. In fact in someways you are being a very concerned parent as it is giving her what she seems to need. I think routine for reasons we probably can't mention has had quite a bad press but I think its great, and your daughter is old enough not to need to be bf continuously.

Of course, if you try this and it doesn't work, thats still OK - you need to keep experimenting.

Another thing you said, about not going to the NCT. I felt the same! My DD was by far the worst sleeper, and sometimes wouldn't even let me sit down to eat - I'd go to meet friends and I'd have to stand the whole time and eat one handed. And there were all these babies chilling in their prams while their mums had cakes, and then me standing...

I actually started to avoid people whose babies slept - I hated them! and I felt like such a failure.

I still hate them - they didn't suffer enough! but now I don't feel like a failure, although I felt terribly guilty while I was doing the controlled crying, or gradual retreat or whatever its called. I wish I'd had somebody say - its OK, it works, and for both your sake you need to do it.

So I'm saying that to you - give it a go, but do everthing gradually and with love, then you don't need to feel any guilt

Hope it goes well

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cherryredretrochick · 05/02/2008 11:13

).4th centile is what both my dd's are on, dd1 dropped off the bottom often.

I now know exactly how you feel. The pressure from HV and Doctors is immense. Ignore them all the more you listen the more food will become an issue hte less your dd will eat.

If I coul;d turn back the clock I would not have my dd1 weighed at all.

Stop getting her weighed they can't actually make you. My dd1 was classed as fail to thrive and that adds even more pressure. If you are worried weigh her a home to check she is gaining but not more than once a month.

Stop. It will only make you feel inadequate, all the other stuff comes from this one thing, it is the one thing you assume you will be able to do, feed and make your baby grow and not achieving that makes you feel like the worst mother in the world but you are not. Some dc are just small.

Sorry if I am off the mark but the minute you mention centiles I feel exactly like you described. Ask somebody with an average baby what centile they are on and they will say what???? Most peiople don't even know what there babies weigh past 6 months, stop torturing yourself you are doing great.

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BabiesEverywhere · 05/02/2008 11:15

Someone's baby has to be at the bottom of the charts, just like someone's baby has to be at the top !!!

If you post again on the 'Breast and Bottle Feeding' board, there are several very knowledgable posters who can help talk you though the breastfeeding v's food concern you have. In particular Hunker and Tiktok.

I personally think far too many people worry about sleeping patterns. My 17 month old DD either sleeping 7pm to 7am or wakes several times a night, with more waking if she is ill or teething. If you can cope with the night wakening, it is not a problem. If the wakening upset you, fair enough, look to try and change things.

I also breastfeed on demand and don't let my DD cry it out (whatever 'it' is) I carry her in a sling and try and give her choices, so she feels valued. My daughter is not spoilt and I know your baby isn't, a 9 month old baby could not be spoilt, even if you tried.

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