Baby-led feeding - how to stop DP mum worrying?(36 Posts)
Hello everyone, I hope you all are having a lovely day apologies in advance this will be long
I'm just a bit stressed out about my DP mum constantly getting more critical about feeding my 13 mo ds proper food and how to handle it. She was always quite sceptical about baby-led weaning from the start, she being a mum of the 70's both her ds's were weaned on jars of puréed food. I've explained to her that times have changed since then and many of us new mummy's offer finger foods with purées to start off.
Fast forward to now, she minds my ds 3 days a week and all is going great. We don't really have many issues, she is trying her best to make sure my son is well cared for and is doing a great job. I think this is mainly because in the beginning she was very critical of me, and being a stressed new mummy had a go at her. I don't feel bad about it, it built up for far too long and I kept quiet out of politeness hoping she would take the hint.
I don't want to have to do this again, I hate confrontation and it was so awkward since my DP her ds took her side (as he always does).
Anyway, I make all my ds food for him and leave it out for her to give him that day. She always gives him what I leave, and lets me know how much he has eaten, any problems etc. however, she is the type of person who is over over protective and a big worrier over the slightest thing. I however am not, I am a bit more of a relaxed mummy. Please don't think that I don't watch my son because I really do, I am cautious and worry about him loads too. Her style just grates me a bit because I feel like I can't relax around her with my own ds in case she is watching and picking up on the slightest thing. 'Oh riders watch him with that, you need to be careful with this' - I know this all already and find it all a bit patronising tbh as she shouldn't need to worry about stuff to that extent whilst I am around.
So she has started making comments about how he chokes on breadsticks I leave for her to give him (he loves them). Now I know he doesn't , he shovels his food in and will gag a little but not once with me has he choked on these with me. I make sure I break up the food more for him, he's even started doing it himself, he's 13 mo. I just ignored the first time she mentioned it, I know my son and I never leave him alone to eat anything.
Since she's gotten more used to minding my son she is being more critical of things I do, and she's careful to make sure she's not telling me what to do, to her it's 'just a suggestion' - then why keep mentioning it? She is the type of person who if someone is doing she doesn't agree with will keep mentioning it until they give in and it's getting on my nerves.
So today, I am knackered and DP gets up and goes to work without helping with anything (again). His mum turns up and my ds is having a nap and I run through his food for the day etc. I say I've got chopped up apple in the fridge for him and straight away she says "oh I don't like to give him apple riders he chokes on it, I prefer when you leave soft fruits", so I tell her I gave him apple last night with his dinner and he ate it fine. She then goes into the whole breadstick thing again (god this sounds so petty I know). I told her yes he might gag now and again not all the time, because he shovels his food in so just break it up into smaller bits if she's worried. Then she says "I've had to pat his back a couple of times because I thought he might have been choking", I've funnily not had this problem, he gags but never choked, they are quite dry so I offer him water.
So I just ended the conversation by saying I'm not worried, he is absolutely fine with me on these food. In fact I'm pretty proud how well he can feed himself now after the nightmare I had in the beginning with weaning him. I know I probably sound like a loon and overacting as she is minding my child for free and is a wonderful granny to him, but it makes me feel like she thinks I don't care about my child or notice anything about him. I think I'm a good mum but all this gets me a bit down, there are other things she picks up on too so it's not just feeding.
I don't know how to handle this, I can't ask my DP as I can't criticise his dm AT ALL and I'm not exaggerating, she is always right.
I've got no family here and no one to really talk to about how all this makes me feel.
Right, so getting to my point, what can I say to her that is positive about baby-led weaning? I'm kind of stuck of what to say when she thinks I'm giving him foods she thinks he could choke on. I personally think baby-led weaning has worked great for me and my ds. I shouldn't even have to explain my decision to her as I am his mum, but I totally understand she is worried that something may happen to a child in her care, I know I would.
What would you say to her? Be nice though, I want to be as diplomatic as possible as things are going well at the moment.
Thanks if you have managed to survive this long winded thread
Your poor mil, she spunds lovely and generous and is just being honest about a legitimate fear she has of her beloved gs choking.
Pouches are fine if you ds will eat them.
Your real problem is your useless partner not your hardworking super-involved mil.
Fwiw i did blw with ds but avoided apple for a long time. Even so he did start choking on apple at the age of 2 and my heart nearly stopped. I don't think i would ever give apple to someone else's baby.
Sounds like the EXACT same situation I had with my mum when DS was at the same stage! In the end I had to just let her get on with it - my reasoning was that really, what actual harm would letting her feed him the way she wanted cause, just for a couple of days a week? I decided to relax and let her get on with it her way when she had him, and do things my way the rest of the time. She also couldn't differentiate between choking and gagging, and I gave up in the end because to her gagging = choking and nothing I could say was going to lessen her anxiety. I wanted her to enjoy her time with DS as a baby and this was obviously such a huge problem for her I decided to 'pick my battles'.
Pears are much softer than apples for little ones and they tend to like them.
I am a childminder and babies, either blw or not, can be at very different dev stage with food even at the same age, I give them the same meals but prepared / cut differently. Babies can choke and gag when new foods are given (think starchy mash potatoes!) and it can be stressful. I had forgotten how much babies can gag on new foods, even small bits. It is worrying if you don't know what to do. You should try to send her to a first aid course as mentioned above. I have had one child who was BLW and didn't see much of a difference between her and the other children from the age of about 1 year old.
Its your child so you can obviously feed him whatever you want but I think if you're getting free child care you should let your MIL feed him whatever she is happy with . In your position I'd be less concerned about BLW and more concerned about the fact that your partner doesn't back you up with your Inlaws ,that is more likely to cause you issues in the future than your son having puréed dinners 3X a week .
Maybe don't explain it to her as some sort of new idea, because it isn't! It's just called 'giving the child some food when it's hungry'.
Just tell her that you never give her anything he doesn't eat at home, and leave it at that. And don't make her give him apples!
To be honest I have twice seen children choke on apple and I never gave them to my children when young. I had a GP friend who said they are a difficult food for small babies and she avoided them for her own dc until older.
I think you should leave food she is comfortable giving him, if this is the only issue you have with her then it seems silly to snarl it up over an apple
which I actually agree with her about
I'm going to stop leaving food out for him that she gets worried about him eating. If I want him to have apple with her then ill just purée it so she doesn't worry.
I think the main thing I needed to know was how to explain to her that this blw thing is actually a good thing, but I just don't know how to put it into words. If she doesn't feel comfortable with some things then that's fine, we can work round it.
It's terrifying when you're looking after someone else's child and they choke/gag on food, especially if it's been a while since you had your own children. It might not be a worry for you because he's your child and you know he's fine.
Give her a bit of a break. At least she's doing most of what you'd like her to do.
She looks after DS for three days a week? For nothing? Blimey. Make it easy for her. And send her on a paediatric first aid course too.
I've not read all the comments so sorry if I'm repeating someone, but my M and MIL really freaked about my son 'choking' when eating - he LOVED breadsticks too!
We had some meals together and I could see them start up whenever he coughed or tried to move some food around his mouth. It was NOT choking. I stayed really calm and my son obv moved the food and finished eating it.
I'm not sure how, but maybe you could explain to her that a cough is just how he'll move food about, a choke is very different sounding.
She might also feel more comfortable if she knows how to do the hymlick manouver. (yes I could check spell check but not now!)
I agree with previous posters - if you want to give apple, give it whole or grated, not chopped up
But back to the main point, I rarely get help from family with our DTs as all live 250 miles away, but on the rare occasion when either DM or DMIL has looked after them for the day, I do everything I can to make it easier for them as I know they are doing me a massive favour by offering free childcare. So if they want to have puréed apple and things that dissolve i stead of breadsticks then why not? Surely just do whatever is easier for the carer? It's not a criticism of you, just her being extra cautious because if something went wrong then it would be her that had to live with the guilt. I know when I babysit other people's DCs I am ultra careful (moreso than with my own DCs!) as would hate if they came to any harm under my watch if that makes sense?
My son is being weaned via BLW (except yogurt, which I spoon feed him), i am a very confident mum & I don't give him raw apple, as it was the main source of food cited as causing choking among BLW children in a recent journal paper.
I'd give your MIL a bit of slack personally, especially if she's providing free childcare, which is incredibly generous! I'm sure there are loads of foods that fit the BLW bill but also let her feel comfortable.
My dd is 15 months and loves apples, eats them whole (including the core). She has been blw from the start and always been a really great eater. Even so she has choked on apple once, and I mean choking not gagging. I'm a very confident first aider with plenty of training in the past so happy I can deal with it but I can still absolutely understand why your mil would be uncomfortable with your ds eating it while she was looking after him. To be honest, the more I think about it I really don't think I would want someone who wasn't happy they could deal with a choking incident feeding my dd apple anyway. Its just not fair on anyone to put them in that situation.
Maybe you need to sit down and have a conversation with your mil about what she is and isn't comfortable with in as nonjudgmental a way as possible. Maybe just let her know that you realise now that she really isnt comfortable with feeding him apples and ask if there is there anything else she would rather not do with him so you can make her time with him as easy as possible? That way she has a chance to talk through any fears with you and you can be aware of them so you can try and avoid them where possible or address them head on if it is something you just can't avoid.
Will he actually EAT pouches? Neither of mine would have at that age she'd have got them in the face. I reckon compromise, don't leave the things that stress her. My mum's always had a thing about grapes. Generally though giving purees to a 13 month old is ridiculous surely?
Hmmm. Your MIL is providing care for 3 days a week? I'm paying nursery for 2 days a week - that's costing £400 a month.
For £400 a month, i would expect to have a moan and dislike the way they might do something.
For free, I would let your MIL do it the way she most feels comfortable. She's probably scared bloody rigid of him choking.
Does it really matter if he has even purees for those few days?
Ginger, I totally agree with you, she does so much for us, I'm going to cut her some slack. I got home from work today and she didn't mention anything, neither did I, the apple was still in the fridge so she is obviously very uncomfortable giving him it.
I've just gave it to him and he's eating it happily.
I suppose I've just got to pick my battles. I do appreciate her help, I just wish her ds was more supportive.
He certainly has not acted as I thought he would when the baby arrived. I thought he would have been so hands on and helpful, but no he's not. I think he finds it all boring tbh and is looking forward until he's a bit older. He certainly is a mummy's boy there's no doubt about that.
Thanks for all your honest suggestions, sometimes you need perspective and mumsnet gives it in bucketloads haha
So, the MIL is providing free childcare 3 days/week. She is trying her best to look after her dgc and feed him what is left for him. She worries that he seems to choke (albeit OP believes it is gagging which is different) on some items and prefers to give softer food?
For the sake of the amount of help she is giving (note: GIVING) I'd really just think about what you offer anyway that is softer or more reassuring to older carers (e.g. bananas instead of apple, any kind of baby-specific rusk thing instead of bread stick) and choose to leave those items on her days.
She sounds like an amazing help who is allowing you freedom/a career/a financially amazing nanny substitute/whatever it is you do for nearly half your 7 day week that you wouldn't otherwise be able to in return for really very little hassle.
Your DP sounds like a bit of a mummy's boy which can be a total pain.
But isn't MIL's fault now he is an adult.
Onwards and upwards.
I think it may be worth pointing out to your DP that there is a natural tendency for most men to back off in the first year when their children are very small especially if their child is breastfed. However, it's time to step up and take a more active role as a parent. Evitably this will end in more conflict as he will in all likelihood have a different approach to you but your DS will have more balanced care and interation with his parents. If your DP leaves everything to you and neither develops an opinion or helps in any way with raising his child then he should restrain all criticism in the way you deal with his mother and support you 100%. He can't have it every way
Parents not patents! I'm on my phone so stupid predictive stuff
Thank you peeps! My DP could defiantly be more supportive, he certainly is a bit useless. We've got our issues right now, this first year of us being patents has been tough - as it is for everyone. I do need to have a conversation with him before I get too stressed.
I think you need to engage your DP. He could make all this go away by having a quiet word to say "Rider only gives you things she knows the baby eats and enjoys, while trying to ensure a balanced diet and making your life easier. It makes it quite stressful when you question every decision."
I think he holds the key - and your last comment sounds like you fear this is the first of many battles. Be strong and demand support now and your future will be brighter!
It sounds like a pain in the ass and irritating as hell but to be honest, it's just a phase. Your son will grow out of the gagging very quickly so I would either continue as you have done [and suck up all the implied criticism] or alter what you leave out for an easier life. If its only 3 days a week, then you are not fundamentally changing the BLW approach?
I had the pleasure of holidaying recently with a BLW toddler. She ate well and competently used a fork and spoon (and her fingers) and rarely needed adult intervention at 18 months. My 3 yr DC however was not BLW and expected to be spoonfed when she couldn't be bothered to get on with it and eat herself.
Personally, I'd ignore, ignore, ignore
As for your DP - words fail.
I really am trying to make things easier for her, I worry every morning about getting everything ready and what she will say. I worry in case she questions what I am giving him to eat, I shouldn't have to live like that. I just would like her to respect that I am his mother and I would never ever give my ds anything that I thought would harm him.
I have to have an explanation ready for anything she questions. Why do I have to defend my decisions? He's my baby.
I wouldn't mind if it was only ever a one off and she just honestly said "look riders I don't think you understand how much I worry about feeding him and choking, I'm new to all this new way of doing it, would it be possible if I can give him softer stuff?", its not like that, its me being told and then questioning and questioning.
I certainly will make more of an effort to avoid food she has problems giving him. It's probably easier all round, but I've a funny feeling it won't stop there
I would leave him fruit that doesn't need chopping and is less worrying for her. Surely they could share a banana now without it being chopped up? Maybe some raisins (which I know aren't great for teeth but come in portioned boxes).
So she is feeding home the meals, it's just things like apples that are a problem? Then leave banana, or something else she is happy with.
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