So, us rotten lot....

(1000 Posts)
scarredpierced Thu 11-Apr-13 10:19:00

How many of us actually meet Shona's little sidekicks criteria?
She states that all of us on Mumsnet are in our 30s, living in London and have a degree. How many people here meet that criteria?
How many are popping prozac depressed at the shit life we now have with kids?
Damn that woman is nasty!

i am in my 30's. thats it.

LadyVoldemort Thu 11-Apr-13 10:20:13

Not me! I'm a lot younger, opposite end of the country and sadly no degree.

cq Thu 11-Apr-13 10:21:45

46, Home Counties, 2 degrees. Does that mean I should take twice as many pills?

Who's Shona anyway?

I'm in my -- late-- 20's, don't live in London but it do have a degree for all the use its been!

bunnymother Thu 11-Apr-13 10:21:54

Yes to 30's, London and degree. But what's this about Prozac? That sounds like fun! Assume it dissolves nicely in a hot mug of coffee?

ImTooHecsyForYourParty Thu 11-Apr-13 10:22:09

I'm in my 30s. I live in Derbyshire. I have no degree. I take no anti depressants and I really rather enjoy having children. grin

Don't worry about her. She's just trying to grab a share of the attention that others have had by being a bit stupid about mumsnet.

habbibu Thu 11-Apr-13 10:23:09

Who is Shona? Fwiw I'm 40's, in Scotland yes degree & postgrad, and really happy.

likesnowflakesinanocean Thu 11-Apr-13 10:23:20

early 20s no degree live about 6 hours from London . what a bag

phantomhairpuller Thu 11-Apr-13 10:23:23

I have a degree. That's it wink

lubeybooby Thu 11-Apr-13 10:23:41

30's, no degree, midlands, no pills either as no need. Whaaa? Am I doing it wrong? Bugger.

WhoPaintedTheLion Thu 11-Apr-13 10:23:43

30s, not London, yes degree. No prozac, but could probably do with some.

KobayashiMaru Thu 11-Apr-13 10:23:56

30's and a couple of degrees but nowhere near London.

23, live in Brighton, dropped out of my degree after 3 months because it was shit. No kids either!

Is this the woman who was on the radio or another one?

HousewifeFromHeaven Thu 11-Apr-13 10:25:23

40s just no degree living near London.

Kneedeepindaisies Thu 11-Apr-13 10:26:05

I'm in my 30's. I take anti depressants but not for depression smile

Who is this moaning Shona anyway?

SomethingAboutNothing Thu 11-Apr-13 10:26:08

25, live in Yorkshire and no degree.

I'll get my coat.

MrsRajeshKoothrappali Thu 11-Apr-13 10:26:41

30s, degree, West Country.

Do take anti depressants but that's due to cruel/excessive bullying at work causing PTSD. Nothing to do with my perfect DS.

eosmum Thu 11-Apr-13 10:26:46

45, Ireland, no degrees, no pills either though.

Fenton Thu 11-Apr-13 10:26:58

I'm 40+ , South Coast, I've got a Level 4 NVQ, - certificate and everything.

MooMooSkit Thu 11-Apr-13 10:27:10

Saw this article this morning, what a sad old cow. (IMHO grin) Also mid twenties, a good 80 miles from central london, no degrees and not popping prozac.

NeoMaxiZoomDweebie Thu 11-Apr-13 10:28:33

No I am 40 and USED to live in London. I do have a degree.

candyflossisevil Thu 11-Apr-13 10:28:34

Late 20's, up north, no degree YET and no Prozac for a good 2 years grin

issypiggle Thu 11-Apr-13 10:29:41

23, live outside london and no degree, no pills.

habbibu Thu 11-Apr-13 10:29:58

Oh, daily mail. Well, surely that's a big thumbs up in the real world.

30's, welsh borders, no degree.

fuck.

no prozac either.

WhoPaintedTheLion Thu 11-Apr-13 10:30:33

Mumsnet is so vast it's silly to label us all in the same way.

MrsBucketxx Thu 11-Apr-13 10:31:06

no degrees no pills either in the woo.

she is mistaken is she thinks we are all vile elitist witches,

the article was full of hate, you put yourself out there as a journo, or sleb. you should expect some criticism.

stargirl1701 Thu 11-Apr-13 10:31:27

In my 30s, 2 degrees but I live in Scotland. No Prozac either grin

BeebiesQueen Thu 11-Apr-13 10:31:38

I'm in my 20s live in the south west (so not london) and dont have a degree

ScooseIsLooseOnTheLoopyJuice Thu 11-Apr-13 10:32:08

30s that's about it though, I don't even own any boden!

scarredpierced Thu 11-Apr-13 10:32:13

Shes the silly bitch whos slagging MN off in Daily Mail for telling the truth slagging off her appearancr.

BeebiesQueen Thu 11-Apr-13 10:33:03

oh and I take lots of pills but no anti d's and I dont think my life is shit. my kids have greatly improved my quality of life!

bunnymother Thu 11-Apr-13 10:33:58

I've got it! I think Shona might benefit from a visit to Hull to see Brian...

I LIVED in London (but a bad part of sarf London so probably not what she had in mind...) but don't. I have a PhD, which I was very lucky to have the opportunities for me to get it (or go to university at all).

No pills either.

BeebiesQueen Thu 11-Apr-13 10:37:16

bunny that just actually made me laugh out loud!

Oh, having found and read the article I'd like to amend: I don't like hobnobs. And own one boden long sleeved t-shirt that I found in a charity shop! I don't own an iron either. Nor do I pop prozac.

Should I be cast out from Mumsnet?

& if I was buying the best of everything that money could buy I doubt I'd be living in a house share with all of my possessions fitting into a couple of suitcases hmm

Where is this thread about her that she bases her entire tirade about?

Ineedmorepatience Thu 11-Apr-13 10:37:50

No, degree, dont live in London and dont take pills.

Dont use apostrophes either because I CBA to remember where to put them grin

33 (next week), 80 miles north of London, no pill popping here and happy with my DC smile

KitCat26 Thu 11-Apr-13 10:38:17

Only just 30. Not in London. No degree and no pills.

Oops no degree either.

BeebiesQueen Thu 11-Apr-13 10:39:41

I have 1 boden dress I bought 3 years ago. but I do like hobnobs

Does that mean I can stay? I dont match any of the other criteria!

landofsoapandglory Thu 11-Apr-13 10:41:11

Here's the article (it is the DM unfortunately).

I'm none of the things that she listed.

milk Thu 11-Apr-13 10:44:31

25, no degree, no London, no pills smile

Not me, I have a degree but am still in my 20s and live Oop Norf.

bonzo77 Thu 11-Apr-13 10:48:00

35. N London. Degree. ADs.

You know what? MN at the moment has its quota of judgemental, opinionated, prejudiced members who are quick to slag off others. Maybe Shona should look around properly, she'd find she'd like it after all.

MrsRajeshKoothrappali Thu 11-Apr-13 10:48:33

I can't stand Boden but I do love Hobnobs.

I did have a cauldron, funnily enough. Very small one. I kept my AD in it. Threw it away while I was decluttering. Keep them in a cupboard now.

almapudden Thu 11-Apr-13 10:50:31

27, live in London, have a degree. No pills though and, perhaps more importantly, no children either!

I've got a degree and I like hobnobs.

It's all her opinion and she's as entitled to voice it as we are entitled to voice ours.

I did particularly like her attention to the way that we have an annoying habit of crossing stuff out! That REALLY winds her up!

Ridersofthestorm Thu 11-Apr-13 10:51:14

Yep in my thirties yep got a degree, nope to living near London nope to to being on Prozac etc.

AgathaF Thu 11-Apr-13 10:52:58

40's, degree, Midlands, grown-up children. No prozac or similar, and not feeling the need either.

I fucking loathe these meja types who float onto AIBU for 2 hours, decide the place is full of uptight bitches, then bugger off again. If they really need article fodder, couldn't they at least find out what MN is really about, because I just don't recognise it, or myself as a user, from the descriptions I read of it in the tabloids or hear of on the tv/radio.

Lucyellensmum95 Thu 11-Apr-13 10:53:15

40s, two degrees and on Prozac - don't live in london though grin

SabrinaMulhollandJjones Thu 11-Apr-13 10:54:50

I remember my 30's fondly. wink

I do have a degree and I do live nearish to London. No prozac though (yet).

Lucyellensmum95 Thu 11-Apr-13 10:55:42

Can't be doing with Boden (it all looks a bit cheap if you ask me) and hobnobs? does anyone actually like those?

nearly 40, no degree, anyone got any prozac?

AgathaF Thu 11-Apr-13 10:56:22

I don't own any Boden stuff either (happy macs or whatever they are called are really not my type of thing), and I don't wish to.

I didn't know I was supposed to like Hobnobs too. They would be my choice only if all the nice stuff from the biscuit tin had already been eaten, I much prefer bourbons or digestives.

TSSDNCOP Thu 11-Apr-13 10:56:27

Shona? Who the fuck is Shona?

MyNameIsAnAnagram Thu 11-Apr-13 10:57:16

late mid 30s, degree. Never lived in London. Not (currently) popping any ADs.

hedgefund Thu 11-Apr-13 10:57:28

more daily mail shite

IsaacCox Thu 11-Apr-13 10:58:49

23, Midlands, no degree, no pills.

FairlyDinkum Thu 11-Apr-13 10:59:08

I heard this was a good place to get prozac?

I don't know what a Shona is but I'm nearly 40, have four degrees - and I live in Sydney. I'm Australian, not an expat.

ForOneNightYoni Thu 11-Apr-13 11:00:16

I do blush

JourneyThroughLife Thu 11-Apr-13 11:05:55

Not in my 30's, I do have a degree though, I live in Berkshire. Don't think I fit the stereotype, and didn't know who Shona was until today!

40s, did live in North London till last year (even better than Muswell Hill, in Islington) but now moved. Have three degrees. Not on prozac, not depressed, love my kids and love my job. But not a yummy mummy (really must get onto C25K and intermittent fasting!). So close but too old.

30s, up north, two degrees.

No prozac, prefer mini-eggs to ease the disappointment of my shit life grin

Rikalaily Thu 11-Apr-13 11:10:52

30's, live in the NW and have no degree, in fact I haven't even got any GCSE's, no pills either.

ClayDavis Thu 11-Apr-13 11:11:18

30s, one degree, don't live anywhere near London. Do take ADs but because I have chronic recurrent depression not because of my children as I don't have any.

nocake Thu 11-Apr-13 11:13:40

40 something
South East
Degree
No prozac or any other medication
One delightful daughter

Worst of all......... I'm a man grin

TomDudgeon Thu 11-Apr-13 11:16:44

I'm manage being in my 30's. I fail otherwise. Shall I leave?

JustineMumsnet (MNHQ) Thu 11-Apr-13 11:16:55

Hi all,
I've just sent this email to the Daily Mail, fyi.

Subject line: Some factual errors in your piece on Mumsnet today

Hi Anna,
I see you found someone to write the piece you were looking for about Mumsnet. Could I ask you to correct a few errors of fact in it however?
You say Mumsnet has 25000 posts a day, it's actually 35000
You say "Roberts says members are typically in their 30s with university degrees who live in London". This is not something I say. Only 17% (of our 4.4 million monthly users) live in London (From our census 2012) (Out of interest a higher percentage than that say they are regularly Daily Mail and Mail on Sunday readers)
You say I'm a former Guardian journalist. I have never been a Guardian journalist. I freelanced as a football and cricket reporter for the Times and the Daily Telegraph.
You equate Mumsnet to Ask fm and imply that it is liable to prompt suicide attempts. I suspect this is libellous. It's certainly untrue. There are countless examples in fact where Mumsnet has been a lifeline for those with severe mental health issues and contemplating suicide.
But of course it wasn't a balanced piece you were looking to commission was it?

I'd be very grateful if you could please confirm that you'll correct the errors in the online version of the piece as soon as possible?
Best regards,
Justine

SKYTVADDICT Thu 11-Apr-13 11:17:02

45, Lincolnshire, no degree and no pills smile

IWantWine Thu 11-Apr-13 11:17:36

No degree. SE. Used to take AD's but didn't need them once I discovered the wisdom, wit and humour of MN and started divorce proceedings. smile

Badvoc Thu 11-Apr-13 11:19:02

40
2 dc
Married
Live in the Midlands
No degree
Sahm
No Prozac

ShadowsChasingGhosts Thu 11-Apr-13 11:21:03

40s, no degree, no pills, no Boden, don't live in London. However, I do live in the same town as Shona!

TSSDNCOP Thu 11-Apr-13 11:21:05

Get in Justine.

grin

MammaTJ Thu 11-Apr-13 11:21:34

46, no degree (yet, I start uni in September), do not live in London. No meds.

I not own any Boden clothing.

Work full time rather than being a SAHM.

LilRedWG Thu 11-Apr-13 11:21:45

Hanging onto my 30's for a few more months, live in the Midlands and have a HND. I do pop the old pills but hey-ho, that's what happens when you have a chemical deficiency.

Shall I get my coat?

PS - fab email Justine!

TheVermiciousKnid Thu 11-Apr-13 11:21:59

Older than 30s, miles from London, almost three degrees, don't like Hobnobs or Boden.

Will those of us who don't fit the criteria be expelled from Mumsnet? sad

Good response to the Daily Mail, Justine! smile

habbibu Thu 11-Apr-13 11:22:38

If you read the DM backwards does it make sense?

habbibu Thu 11-Apr-13 11:23:21

Does Shona live inLondon and have a degree?

TheVermiciousKnid Thu 11-Apr-13 11:24:08

It probably makes more sense than when you read it forwards, Habbibu. wink

TSSDNCOP Thu 11-Apr-13 11:24:38

44
Scorpio
Kent ex-Sarf London
Degree and city of Guilds
No pills
Wine habit

Go Justine!

22, West Country, no degree, no anti depressants, 1 delightful son who I enjoy parenting rather than humiliating in the DailyFail. Certainly no boden, vile stuff...

ScumbagCollegeDropout Thu 11-Apr-13 11:25:41

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40s, degree (useless and unused) living in Oxfordshire but not a posh part!

No prozac but plenty of wine grin

Not a hobnobs person!

Is there a link to the article please? Would be fun to just comment....

Oh, I do like hobnobs though.

ThedementedPenguin Thu 11-Apr-13 11:28:41

im 22, living in Northern Ireland and have no degrees. No pills here either unless she is also talking about the contraception pill

JillJ72 Thu 11-Apr-13 11:28:55

40, Home Counties, degree, like hobnobs but haven't bought them for years. I'll add them to my shopping list!

I like the crossing out, I find it hilarious quite amusing. Although not hugely fond of bad language on the screen. It is what it is smile

Sleepyfergus Thu 11-Apr-13 11:29:00

Ha ha, go JustineMN!!!

lljkk Thu 11-Apr-13 11:29:35

SS is just tagging onto MN to get her own publicity.

If she doesn't want personal criticism she shouldn't take such a personal and frequently controversial slant on so many things (like preferring to starve rather than use state schools). If I insisted on my unusual perspective and choices being good ones and even making a living out of writing about them in a national newspaper in quite personal, also defensive terms, I wouldn't be surprised if I got shredded for it.

NewsFlash Shona: we're not here to act as anyone's fan club.

Me: mid 40s, Not London, no pills, foreign, never iron, sometimes organic bread in the lunchbox (along with cheesestrings and sausage rolls), Degree'd to the hilt, though. Maybe I can claim Liberalista & to have pontificating style, though. I have to be guilty of something.

Her dog has funny eyes, too. Maybe it's true what they say about pets looking like their owners.

nenevomito Thu 11-Apr-13 11:29:36

Middle aged.
Children.
Degree and above.
Live nowhere near London, but I've heard of its existence and I've even heard that they have trains wot run underground. <gazes off in wonder>

Not on prozac but am on some pretty funky other meds for a long term health condition.

Didn't even know Boden existed until I came here, but have a wardrobe full of Tresspass.

Sleepyfergus Thu 11-Apr-13 11:29:40

Oh and I'm 40, in Scotland and possess a degree.

singingmum Thu 11-Apr-13 11:33:15

Sorry but isn't she the 'person' she is describing as a mumsnet user.
Love the email btw
Oh and I'm a 36yr old sahm, home educator, low income,no degree's and an agoraphobe taking no ad's and much prefer a custard cream.
Worst piece of journalism ever as obv very little real research done and not exactly written from an un biased point of view. Now I remember why I don't read the daily fail prefer real journalism

habbibu Thu 11-Apr-13 11:33:46

I don't think her looks are fair game, though. Plenty to criticise without doing that.

nenevomito Thu 11-Apr-13 11:33:59

Just read Justine's reply. Excellent response.

coffeeinbed Thu 11-Apr-13 11:34:19

Well, I was 30 once.
I do have the occasional Boden bits though.

Two out of three ain't bad, apparently.
I'm only here because I was told to fuck off to mumsnet on a forum where having opinions was frowned upon. I was basically a homeless internet vagrant, and I've been lurking in doorways round these parts ever since. I don't own anything from Boden though.

sjupes Thu 11-Apr-13 11:34:50

Mid 20's, scotland, no degree, no boden and i can't stick hob nobs.

I'll be off then..

<Great email to DM justine smile>

habbibu Thu 11-Apr-13 11:34:55

I've nearly finished reading Flat Earth News. I'm not sure much real journalism exists any more.

Hassled Thu 11-Apr-13 11:34:58

Excellent email, Justine.

And you didn't really mess about at school, did you? Because that would have been very bad and wrong of you, as I'm sure you know wink.

hedgefund Thu 11-Apr-13 11:36:13

bloody good response justine! this must get so wearing.

HoobleDooble Thu 11-Apr-13 11:36:23

Just turned 40, live in Derbyshire, but do have a degree. Not on Prozac.

MrsBucketxx Thu 11-Apr-13 11:36:33

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Nice response Justine.

MrsBucketxx Thu 11-Apr-13 11:40:13

ooops blush

GoatsHaveStrangeEyes Thu 11-Apr-13 11:40:55

Not that I give a shit about what she thinks but no I do not fit into any of those categories.

In fact after having DD1 at 17 and coming from a family raised on benefits I didn't think I would fit in here at all.

But I luffs it so any MN bashers can fuck off.

HelenMumsnet (MNHQ) Thu 11-Apr-13 11:41:19

habbibu

I don't think her looks are fair game, though. Plenty to criticise without doing that.

Yes. Please, folks: feel free to criticise opinions as robustly as you like but personal comments are against the site rules - and generally not on.

TSSDNCOP Thu 11-Apr-13 11:42:20

Well annoyingly I had to go and look her up.

Tis her of the smacking, drugging and publicly humiliating of the husband fame.

Surely the dresses she's wearing are Jonnies finest?

Is Liz Moans in rehab on holiday? Is this why this woman's getting so many column inches?

WitchOfEndor Thu 11-Apr-13 11:42:47

Thirties (for the next 2 months), degree and postgrad, live in Shropshire. We don't fit into a neat pigeonhole so they can label us.

TSSDNCOP Thu 11-Apr-13 11:44:02

Her dogs look nice though smile

CarpeVinum Thu 11-Apr-13 11:44:18

Good response from MNHQ.

I'm a bit startled at all the MN hate, people never used to exploit iVillage in the day a newspaper fillers, perhaps it is the longer term sucess of MN that gets up some noses?

Anyhow

I'm 46
Live in a tiny rurual corner of Italy not all that far from Milan
I left school with 4 O levels. And two of those are in Dom Sci and RE.

I did live in London once though. In the 80s. During my squatter era.

MrsBucketxx Thu 11-Apr-13 11:45:50

her dogs, how did you find that?

MaisyMooCow Thu 11-Apr-13 11:48:16

I have just started a new thread to Ms Sibary. She mentioned me in her article! Never heard of her before today!

TSSDNCOP Thu 11-Apr-13 11:50:12

There's a photo of them in the farticle Mrs Bucket Black one and brown one.

I think it's rich of Sibary to complain that she was accused of exploiting her child in an article where she uses that child's sleeping habits as a peg for the whole argument and includes a picture of said child. Almost as ironic as her complaining about being on the receiving end of vitriol with errrrrrrr vitriol of her own.

I'm in my thirties, don't take prozac, don't send my youngest child to a school with a uniform, there is nothing organic in the house. However there is a shed load of Boden and I have a degree. Thank goodness I don't live in London.

DontSHOUTTTTTT Thu 11-Apr-13 11:52:41

habibu

If you read the DM backwards does it make sense?

That is sooooooo funny grin

Kneedeepindaisies Thu 11-Apr-13 11:53:09

I think I have a big girl crush on Justine right now grin

Oh, thank god someone has started this thread.

I've not read this specific article but I've been having this bizarre ghostly experience every time MN gets mentioned in the press lately.

According to deeply embarrassing stats BOF dragged up for me, a couple of weeks ago I was one of the ten posters on MN who waffle on the most. Obviously this is because I have no life and am chained to my computer while I churn out my Thesis of Doom, but still.

I wouldn't swear to it but I reckon trills (who also doesn't have kids) probably comes up on there a fair bit too.

And yet they keep being deeply outraged we're all 'nasty mummies', cos you lot are meant to turn into saints once you procreate.

Anyhoo, I'm in my twenties, don't live in London, never have, have a degree. So there we are.

magimedi Thu 11-Apr-13 11:55:21

wine Justine (it's a pink gin for you).

Old

South Coast

No degree

Gin rather than prozac.

I think this is a sort of 'silly season' , everyone has cabin fever & attacking MN is fashionable & easy for people with no original ideas who have pieces to write for sensationalist rags.

MrsBucketxx Thu 11-Apr-13 11:55:32

oh yeah,

tangledupinpoo Thu 11-Apr-13 11:55:36

Blimey, and she calls us poisonous?! Her writing is vicious. But worse than that, it's lazy.

Oh - I am depressed, though not currently medicating. Lucky me.

Blimey, and she calls us poisonous?! Her writing is vicious. But worse than that, it's lazy.

I love this.

This is what makes me love MN. The fact you're more bothered by her lack of writing style than anything else. grin

30 this year, lived in London (but no longer), and have a degree.

AdoraBell Thu 11-Apr-13 11:58:15

I'm way over 30's, no degree, no pills, happy with my DCs as much as you can be with pre-teens grin and live a looooooooong way from London.

<applauds Justine>

Bertrude Thu 11-Apr-13 12:01:47

Not in 30s
Living in forrin climes
No Prozac
No kids either

Do have a degree though

chateauferret Thu 11-Apr-13 12:01:47

Bloke, 40s, Scotland, 2 degrees and Coke not Prozac.

WorraLiberty Thu 11-Apr-13 12:01:54

44, no degree, no pills, living in greater london.

I have no idea who this Shona person is or her sidekick but well done Justine for putting her straight.

smilingthroughgrittedteeth Thu 11-Apr-13 12:08:14

29, live in Kent, no degree and never taken Prozac.

I'm not even a mum I'm a step-mum and a nanny

Oh and I've never set foot in a Starbucks and don't own any uggs, can I still be a mumsnetter? Pleeeeeeeeeeaaassssssseeeee I love you
all even when you don't agree with me grin

coffeeinbed Thu 11-Apr-13 12:13:06

This isn't right.
According to this roughly about 89.7% of us are not supposed to be here.
hmm
Can't believe I'm mixing with you lot.

ShonaTheMoaner Thu 11-Apr-13 12:15:33

I'm here! you Boden wearing bitches

See, I do like the crossing out really but I can't let that get in the way of a "good" story.

Lucyellensmum95 Thu 11-Apr-13 12:15:48

Go Justine - I for one have been suicidal and think there is a strong possibility that mnet may have saved my life in the past (more than once)

JammyDodger1 Thu 11-Apr-13 12:16:03

41, no degree and live in Yorkshire, no pill popping here either, unless smarties count grin

Well said Justine

I do love a list though grin

YonirockandrollbutIlikeit Thu 11-Apr-13 12:16:33

40's, studying for a degree, Surrey, no prozac

Not a mum. Likely to remain sprogless.

flowers for Justine and all the luffly commenters here.

RatRatRat Thu 11-Apr-13 12:17:38

I have a degree but I'm 26 and live in, er, Wales.

landofsoapandglory Thu 11-Apr-13 12:17:46

Well said Justine.

McBalls Thu 11-Apr-13 12:19:06

Cowards.

Surely if a female celeb had cause to speak out about bullying they would do better to point a finger at...oh I don't know know, the DM for example?

Sibari couldn't be expected to do that though, but then she's not a celebrity - how about she writes a piece tackling the vile, racist, disablist, homophobic and misogynistic twats who frequent the DM comments section?

You know, have a bit of integrity.

Older than 40 sad
Have been to London
Degree
Live in Holland so who the hell would need Prozac? grin

EnidRollins Thu 11-Apr-13 12:23:19

In my 30's. Nowhere near London (Northerner born and bred.) Definitely no pills. So that's me out then! smile

Go Justine!

I am 41, live in London, have a couple of degrees and some certificates, even a couple of attendance certificates from my local adult education grin, I also FAILED Latin. Never been on Anti Depressants. Admittedly, I prefer Marzipan to Prozac with my coffe.

drfayray Thu 11-Apr-13 12:24:40

51, three degrees, two postgrad qualifications, live in Brisbane, two children and no pills.

MN saved me when my scrotish ex left me.

bootsycollins Thu 11-Apr-13 12:25:19

Well said Justine thanks

kim147 Thu 11-Apr-13 12:27:52

40ish, so not in London, got a couple of degrees though.

No pills. Yet.

40s, London, degree. No Prozac.

PS pnly 40s for a few months more, grrrr...!

TheYoniWayIsHull Thu 11-Apr-13 12:32:17

I'm 20's, no degree, never even been to London.

Please don't send me back to netmums

only sorry

MyNameIsAnAnagram Thu 11-Apr-13 12:34:23

Just reading the comments on the article (sorry) and love this one; "Hate mumsnet, full of opinionated, superior, breast feeding, communists."

what a great image grin

TheBigJessie Thu 11-Apr-13 12:36:35

Twenties, no prozac, don't live in London, don't have a degree (but want one), do have the most gorgeous children on the planet. In retrospect, think I did have depression/PTSD before having children, if that's relevant.

No hobnobs, no iron. No boden. Oh hang on, one child has some second hand Boden trousers. (They're the most ghastly design ever, which is why they were given away, but they fit him, and he likes them.)

Twentytotwo Thu 11-Apr-13 12:36:46

Can I point out that many MNers are actively boycotting the Daily Fail online because of it's appalling 'writing' after the Philpott case. Funny how they're now engaging in MN baiting. They rely on women readers. Stop clicking on their website and they lose ££££ in advertising. So they're now slagging off a well known female dominated site. How many of you have looked to see what they're saying? I accidentally clicked on a link about this posted by someone whose posting name was used in that article. You don't get any warning if you're using an iPad.

I am picturing one of those Soviet style posters, of an army of superior breast-feeding communists.

MrsPeeWee Thu 11-Apr-13 12:37:58

Nope. I'm 23, currently in Edinburgh and don't have a degree angry

Although I do take prozac. Not because I dislike my life as a mother - I've been like this since I was 15.

stinkyfluffycat Thu 11-Apr-13 12:38:15

Would OpinionatedSuperiorBreastfeedingCommunist be too long for a new nickname?

wiganwagonwheelworks Thu 11-Apr-13 12:39:12

thirties. Three degrees <popstar>

BoreOfWhabylon Thu 11-Apr-13 12:40:27

Yay, Justine - give 'em hell!

I'm a postmenopausal barren spinster living in the sticks nowhere near London.

I do have a degree though. Hopefully counterbalanced by lack of Boden and Hobnobs, so can I stay please?

BenjaminButton172 Thu 11-Apr-13 12:43:51

Love the email Justine smile

I am late 20s
live in scotland
have no degrees
dont take any pills

And i didnt breastfeed my child either for the person who wrote the daily fail comment

Wotme Thu 11-Apr-13 12:44:30

It is as I predicted when the daily mail started on MN a few years back.
Hate to say I to you so...

jaggythistle Thu 11-Apr-13 12:45:21

30s, degree, nowhere near London, no Pill popping.

YonirockandrollbutIlikeit Thu 11-Apr-13 12:46:49

Is breastfeeding compulsory? It's rather difficult when you don't have any children, and I'm not sure my neighbours would be happy about me borrowing their baby...

stinkyfluffycat Thu 11-Apr-13 12:48:36

Oh, and you can install https://addons.mozilla.org/en-US/firefox/addon/kitten-block/ to stop you clicking on the Daily Fail - if you click on a Fail link after you've installed this it gives you pictures of tea and kittens instead. Much better for you.

DoIgetastickerforthat Thu 11-Apr-13 12:48:50

30's - check. London - check. Degree - check. Prozac and hating my kids - no, will try harder though.

ivykaty44 Thu 11-Apr-13 12:50:03

I think that the DM online hits have gone down since there was a boycott on linking to DM pages - so of course they are now very cross with mners for altering their stats and shocked at the rate they have dropped , now what are they going to do to keep the editor in any way happy?

Quenelle Thu 11-Apr-13 12:50:18

Live outside London.
No degree.
I have been in my 30s, but I'm not currently.

Well done Justine for showing her that the world knows she's making it all up. The DM printed 'facts' about my village a couple of weeks ago that were so untrue it was laughable. And a bit worrying.

43
London
2 degrees

No pills but pop smarties like um smarties confused especially when I've stolen them off the children (see there are advantages to having DC).

Maybe I don't need the prozac because I can afford the private school fees without losing my home. wink

Pan Thu 11-Apr-13 12:51:31

Live N Derbysire
No pills (kids get there before me!)
Not even a proper woman.

LadyBigtoes Thu 11-Apr-13 12:52:47

40s
Don't live in London, do live in a big city
Degree
Popping SSRIs, yes I am and I'm not ashamed of it. For anxiety from a combination of PND and family (not kids or relationship, extended family) issues. Having a go at people for taking medicine to treat an illness - that's the lowest of the low. Using mental health problems as something to mock people about? - it's not 1523 any more.

MyNameIsAnAnagram Thu 11-Apr-13 12:53:48

"I am picturing one of those Soviet style posters, of an army of superior breast-feeding communists."

Yes exactly, all with rolled up sleeves and headscarves grin

LtEveDallas Thu 11-Apr-13 12:54:16

40, no degree (but lots of professional quals), in the arse end of Oxfordshire, 1 child, no drugs of any kind (unless the occasional Vodka and Diet Coke counts?)

No hob-nobs, no boden, no Uggs. I wear uniform during the day and Asda jeans at night.

I actually read MN for the very first time from Iraq - and joined up on my return.

I'm about as far from her lazy stereotyping as is possible!

LtEveDallas Thu 11-Apr-13 12:55:48

Oh and Justine - you really are fab <<suckup>>

Late 40's
Live close to London (half hour fast train)
No degree but professional qualification in insurance
Prozac before DC because of high pressure job. Now Citalopram for anxiety because I'm now epileptic.

SuffolkNWhat Thu 11-Apr-13 12:59:19

30s: check
London: nope, clue's in the name
Degree: yes, am I supposed to be ashamed of this?
Prozac: not currently but after suffering from horrendous AND and anxiety I fail to see the joke in being flippant about something (depression) that affects 25% of the population.

FreedomOfTheTess Thu 11-Apr-13 13:00:17

* In my 30s
* Two degrees
* Live about 20 minutes from London (but not in London)
* No pill popping

Can I stay?!

thornrose Thu 11-Apr-13 13:01:27

40s, moved from London to sunny West Sussex, no degree, no Prozac yet , I'm not keen on Hobnobs, I'd much rather have a Jaffa cake.

Fab Justine. Did she reply?

You are all so young!

53
North
Degress

UtterflyButterfly Thu 11-Apr-13 13:02:06

Way past 30s, living in Ireland, yes to degree. No Prozac, no Hobnobs, did buy a dress from Boden once, when desperate.

McBalls Thu 11-Apr-13 13:02:16

I am in my 30s, live in London, no degree, no depression, no medication.
I will try my best to do better.

Degree. Bloody autocorrect

AndTwoBits Thu 11-Apr-13 13:05:43

30's with a degree and living in Dublin. 2 outta 3 ain't bad.

gazzalw Thu 11-Apr-13 13:06:03

The Daily Fail never gets its facts right!

Well and rightly defended Justine! grin!

moisturiser Thu 11-Apr-13 13:07:07

God it's depressing that in this day and age so many people have a problem with women expressing an opinion and even, shock horror, swearing.

Am in my thirties, have never lived in London. Not a mum, have never and will never wear Boden. Do have a degree though. Not currently on anti-depressants.

EarnestDullard Thu 11-Apr-13 13:09:44

I'm in my 30s, live in London and have a degree. I'm such a cliché blushgrin

No Prozac, although I'm starting to see the appeal of a bottle glass of gin wine some nights.

NigelMolesworth Thu 11-Apr-13 13:11:13

37, West Midlands. Degree.
Work part time in my own business. Love it.
SAHM for the rest of the time. Love it too.
No Prozac.
Secretly has a bit of crush on Justine having met her at BlogFest.
Not mean and nasty on MN or in real life.

Degrees and London, but in my 40s. Have no intention of reading DM link, but for the record I have no Boden, am not on Prozac, have never understood the point of Uggs, think my children are pretty ace although am aware others may unaccountably not share my opinion, and am over Hobnobs (although I was quite fond of them in my 20s). And I seem to remember being nice about Amanda Holden on those threads last year (but then I seem to remember the majority of posters being nice and telling the nasty minority to sod off).

SanityClause Thu 11-Apr-13 13:12:54

In my 30s - I bloody wish!

Degree - tick

London - well Greater London, so half a tick

Prozac - no

Depression - only when I look at the ironing pile

Still, if she hadn't written the article thingy I wouldn't have been pointed to the Kitten Block addon, so there's been a net gain to my happiness.

ScrambledSmegs Thu 11-Apr-13 13:24:34

Haha! 30's, London, degree. But I am quite sickeningly happy with my 2 kids (2nd is miracle baby) and tend to take WWPHS* as my MN mantra, so try to be nice as fuck wink

* What Would Pag or Hecate Say. Of course.

PS Have mega girl crush on Justine.

AwkwardSquad Thu 11-Apr-13 13:29:18

None of her criteria apply to me. Lazy journalism. Although that's an insult to journalism, I gather she's a columnists so paid to drivel on about her tedious home life. Yawn.

elQuintoConyo Thu 11-Apr-13 13:34:47

Nearly 40
Degree
Live in smallsville Spain with Spanish husband and 1/2 Spanish DS
Never lived in London
Was an E popper many moons ago, but no Prozac
Don't like Hobnobs
Have only heard of Boden from MN, don't know what the clothes look like
Never owned Uggs

Can play the violin while shooting pingpong balls out if my Yoni, if that helps... Sharon... Sharona... Schooner whatever-her-name-is. (Who is she?)

Pigsmummy Thu 11-Apr-13 13:34:49

Surrey, 38 no degree but well paid job and a happy mummy, no Prozac needed.

FairPhyllis Thu 11-Apr-13 13:36:51

30s, not in London, 3 degrees.

flaminghoopsaloohlah Thu 11-Apr-13 13:44:10

I meet one of those criteria...

Is anyone going to take the results of this survey and collate it all into a nice neat little table/pie chart for Shona-the-rash-Generaliser to peruse?

31, 2 degrees, South West.

My pills are for migraines. I had those long before I procreated.

Kbear Thu 11-Apr-13 13:53:21

45 but look 28, no I do, ask Justine, she met me, she'll tell ya

Saaf London

Loads of O levels, RSA Typing Stage 2 Distinction, Teeline Shorthand one zillion words per minute, and I quite like The Three Degrees.

Tee2072 Thu 11-Apr-13 13:58:35

Justine is my girl crush this week. grin

44, Belfast, degree. Pop pills like candy. Legal ones. Honest. wink

Labootin Thu 11-Apr-13 13:58:58

Its current 30 degrees where I live, if that counts

I'll get my bikini

ScumbagCollegeDropout Thu 11-Apr-13 14:03:57

Oooh my first mn deletion grin

Okay I'll try again.

30s, the other side of the world to most of youse, barely completed college, no pill popping.

No boden, no hobnobs (they cost a bomb here).

Kasterborous Thu 11-Apr-13 14:06:18

In my 40's, don't live in London and haven't got a degree grin

wonkylegs Thu 11-Apr-13 14:06:56

I'm in my 30's, have 3 degrees but live way up north.
Take lots of pills but not for depression.
Dislike Boden - really not my thing!

Very late thirties sad
Have degree
Live in Glasgow
Only been to London twice
Couldn't afford Boden even if I wanted to
Have a pair of fake Uggs
No pills
Don't post very often but have been here for ages and lurk mostly
Loads of good advice and funny posters

mejon Thu 11-Apr-13 14:39:53

45 (in a week!), degree, live in mid/west Wales, no pills apart from the odd paracetamol.

What the silly SS appears to have ignored is that people were probably only having a pop at her after reading one of her attrocious family confessionals. Don't lay yourself bare for a buck missus if you don't want people to react to the drivel you write.

I'm 22, up north and do degrees

No*

PetiteRaleuse Thu 11-Apr-13 14:48:44

Ha! On this thread I predicted she would be soon planning an anti-Mumsnet rant: www.mumsnet.com/Talk/am_i_being_unreasonable/a1676848-That-woman-in-the-DM-again-Angry#37059284

How predictable. Can I have my commission Shona?

34
Live in north london, not muswell hill though, the "ghetto" part grin
Never worn Boden in my life
1 degree
No pills popping here, I prefer vodka thanks.
Work full time (although tbf, judging by the amount of time I am on here, you would probably never know)
I do like hobnobs, chocolate hobnobs though.

And that email was brilliant Justine.

PetiteRaleuse Thu 11-Apr-13 14:56:19

Love Justine's email

MissVerinder Thu 11-Apr-13 14:57:36

Mid thirties, up North, don't wear Boden, love hobnobs but they're too expensive and I love children that much I look after others beside my own.

Oh, I haven't got a degree, but I do have an NVQ L4 <polishes nails> and don't pop any pills, but I did breastfeed till DD self weaned.

Heinous Diet Coke addiction though.

crypes Thu 11-Apr-13 14:59:34

Why do posters on mn keep reading the daily mail to slag off the women writers and get totally obsessed and stressed out with them?

fledtoscotland Thu 11-Apr-13 15:07:10

Late 30s, Scotland but used to live in London nearly 20yrs ago, two degrees and about to start masters. Not on any daily meds

30's
5 degrees
about 1.5 hours from London
No pill popping

.....and just for the record am a human being not a clone!

She must have spent a lot of time on mumsnet being jealous of a group of people which dont exist grin

MrSlant Thu 11-Apr-13 15:16:40

30's just.
Live in rural Wales and never go to London (them there double decker buses startle me).
No boden, no hobnobs but I am in the middle of my second degree through the OU hence all the time I spend on MN
I take tramadol for very unglamorous chronic arthritis the length of my spine and only got up the courage to take them, and enhance the quality of my life considerably, from talking to another MN'er on here who knows what being in constant pain is like. Invaluable to have the support as living in a small village there isn't a big cross section of people with advice to give.

I will never, ever, click on a DM link again or buy the bloody awful newspaper. So ner.

exiledmancityfan Thu 11-Apr-13 15:19:32

30s live in West Yorkshire, a degree but no pills sad still can't have everything.

exiledmancityfan Thu 11-Apr-13 15:21:20

I also like hob nobs but only the ones with dark chocolate wink

ShootingStarsss Thu 11-Apr-13 15:21:59

30's not in London, a degree....

Taxi waiting .... grin

morethanpotatoprints Thu 11-Apr-13 15:22:02

I don't fit the description either, not even one of the points
Who is shona?

GizzaCwtch Thu 11-Apr-13 15:23:20

Message withdrawn at poster's request.

MammaTJ Thu 11-Apr-13 15:38:47

habbibu I don't think it makes sense forwards, backwards or upside down.

nethunsreject Thu 11-Apr-13 15:39:49

30s, no degree, only visited London once, no Boden.

SmellieWellies Thu 11-Apr-13 15:41:49

Late 30s (well, nearly 40), do not live in London- have never lived in London. 3 degrees. Don't pop pills.

SmellieWellies Thu 11-Apr-13 15:42:04

no boden either.

Machli Thu 11-Apr-13 15:45:01

Live in London.
Currently studying for degree.

So kind of fit. Who is Shona anyway?

HelenYoniSchmoniMumsnet (MNHQ) Thu 11-Apr-13 15:52:34

Afternoon. We're going to move this thread out of Chat now, purely to preserve it for the future and all that.

<realises should really have un-Yoni'd name first blush>

Queenofknickers Thu 11-Apr-13 15:52:53

Sh*t loads of Prozac grin, 30s, 2 degrees, Sussex and a total admiration for JustineMN smile

Welsh, no degree, no prozac (god knows how), one more year till the big four o

enormouse Thu 11-Apr-13 16:01:00

Early 20s, northern Ireland, no Prozac, in process of applying for postgrad degree.

Lemonylemon Thu 11-Apr-13 16:01:01

London
No prozac
WOHM
50
DS, DD
Part way through Humanities degree

Is this Shona person someone who blurts their family's life all over the DM? Glad I'm not part of her family.

JustineMumsnet (MNHQ) Thu 11-Apr-13 16:04:41

ExitPursuedByABear

Fab Justine. Did she reply?

Yes she did, viz:
Thanks for your email. I'll make sure those errors are corrected online.
Thanks,
Anna

Thanks everyone for your supportive words re my email - it really helps. It's pretty galling knowing the way this came about - I heard that Femail were actively looking for someone to do a hatchet job, possibly prompted by the GP thread the other day.

Sparklingbrook Thu 11-Apr-13 16:07:06

Bit odd of them to quote your Mum JustineMN. sad Was that something she said ages ago?

MrsHoarder Thu 11-Apr-13 16:11:40

Mid 20s, west country, got one degree and doing another. No need for prozac, I've got chocolate.

God this feels so fucking unfair!

Justine your email was great, mumsnet is fucking awesome. Shall we self pen an article on six 'typical' mumsnetters and see if a decent paper wants it?

And what the bloody hell is so wrong with having a degree anyway?

fwiw my stats are as follows - I'm a Geordie, a single parent. I'm running my own (small) business and bringing up my eight year old twins. Yes, I do have a degree, and I'm very proud of that fact. No I'm not on medication (and attacking anyone who is really galls me!) and I'm really happy with my life. I love mn and will defend it to the death!!

gazzalw Thu 11-Apr-13 16:19:38

I don't fit the stereotype:

long way past my thirties hmm
What's Boden?
degree - yes!
London - yes!
female - No!
Never known to eat biscuits at all (polishes halo!)
Prozac - not to anti-depressants but yes to ciggies and wine!

Glad you got some sort of humble-pie response, Justine although it still leaves a bitter taste...

gazzalw Thu 11-Apr-13 16:21:10

sorry that should have said no instead of not blush - was there a stereotype for slack proof-reading?!

TheRealMBJ Thu 11-Apr-13 16:21:40

30's
2 degrees
Wishes I lived in London (does that count)
And GASP forrin (although naturalised now)

JustineMumsnet (MNHQ) Thu 11-Apr-13 16:21:51

Sparklingbrook

Bit odd of them to quote your Mum JustineMN. sad Was that something she said ages ago?

Yes - was in a Sunday Times Relative Values thingy to promote Gransnet launch I think. Learned a valuable lesson never to let my mum near the press again...She's got a touch of the Patricia Hodge in Miranda about her... grin

Sparklingbrook Thu 11-Apr-13 16:22:06

YY but we will all need to wear balaclavas in the picture trash which isn't really the image MN promotes. grin 6 of these would be good though.

Sparklingbrook Thu 11-Apr-13 16:23:47

Such fun though JustineMN. grin

GirlOutNumbered Thu 11-Apr-13 16:24:34

30s
Degree
Devon

aufaniae Thu 11-Apr-13 16:28:45

I'm in my 30s, used to live in London and am currently doing a degree, does that count?!
No pill popping.

sparkling they're terrifying! I liked that yellow one worn by pussy riot. My friend liked it so much she tore it out of the newspaper and framed it. It's up in her dining room.... Is it okay to have a dining room or will we be judged for that too d'y'think?

nettie Thu 11-Apr-13 16:29:05

In 40s.
Been to London a handful of times.
Got degree.
No ADs.
No Boden.
Very happy with my life thanks.

Think mumsnet is wonderful diverse place, learnt loads here and am far less judgemental than I used to be.

PetiteRaleuse Thu 11-Apr-13 16:29:43

The GP thread was sure to piss them off. To be honest I was surprised you let it stand.

In my 20s (just!).
Two degrees.
Scotland.

I first registered here after desperately Googling for advice on how to teach DSD to read. Being from another country, absolutely none of the methods or books her school used were familiar to me, and feeling helpless is not nice. Have gotten some lovely advice about said issue and several more since then. smile

aufaniae Thu 11-Apr-13 16:32:32

Justine that was a great email.
Reckon you should go after them for libel wink

Sparklingbrook Thu 11-Apr-13 16:33:06

You can wear this one trash. grin

PetiteRaleuse Thu 11-Apr-13 16:33:54

Not that I am criticising you letting it stand Justine - it was A great thread. But it went so viral and was pretty embarassing for them so they had to fight back at some point and it's not unlike the Mail to fight dirty in this way.

I'd take a hate campaign from the Mail as a fairly whopping compliment to be honest.

JollyPurpleGiant Thu 11-Apr-13 16:34:23

20s. Scotland. No degree. No Prozac either though.

ForYourEyesYoni Thu 11-Apr-13 16:34:28

I heard that Femail were actively looking for someone to do a hatchet job...

Well, rest easy that the best/worst they could come up with was Dear Shona, spouting shite.

For the record:
yes to 30's, a degree (well, 2), hobnobs
no to living in London, Boden and Prozac

AugustaProdworthy Thu 11-Apr-13 16:36:23

in my thirties and post graduate but that's it. I wouldn't know how to wear a scarf let alone a special MN one.

MrsDeVere Thu 11-Apr-13 16:36:30

I am fed up with all this lazy MN bashing.
FWIW if you are reading Shona

I am in my 40s
yes I do live in London
3 o levels and some CSES
And yes, I do pop pills but thats because one of my children died.

And I get more support around the death of my DD on here than I do in real life. I suspect you wouldn't be up to much on that score.

AmberSocks Thu 11-Apr-13 16:37:44

Message deleted by Mumsnet for breaking our Talk Guidelines. Replies may also be deleted.

MyNameIsAnAnagram Thu 11-Apr-13 16:41:15

"I am fed up with all this lazy MN bashing." I agree, it's quite clear that the bashers don't actually take the time to read many posts. They just need to look on the bereavement section to see what support people get from the site.

HotelFromage Thu 11-Apr-13 16:41:35

40's
Oop North
Degree and 2 postgrads
Work PT
Chocolate digestives
Just ventured cautiously back into Boden after it all went a bit "fun" for a while.
2 kids (and this is the bit the journo's don't appear to be able to grasp about MNsmile no more kids will be had due to my last bout of Hyperemesis Gravidarum and 3 months in bed, survived without depression ONLY thanks to Mumsnet - LucindaE's HG support thread and Classics.

That is all.

usualsuspect Thu 11-Apr-13 16:45:14

Why take anything some bandwagon jumping 2nd rate journo writes seriously? She writes for the DM ffs.

I'd be more pissed off if someone who wrote for the Dail Fail liked us.

Anyway moaner Shona, I live on a council estate in the Midlands, no degree.

HTH.

Sparklingbrook Thu 11-Apr-13 16:47:00

Interestingly the DM have an article today where the writer calls Holly Willoughby a bimbo. confused

slug Thu 11-Apr-13 16:48:04

40s
London (but deeply untrendy sarf London, no meeja types round here)
Several degrees
I don't need to pop pills because by dearly beloved DH prefers life at home with the munchkin than working. Husband happy, child happy, mum happy.
I can't afford Boden (see non-income generating husband above)

DancesWithWoolEnPointe Thu 11-Apr-13 16:49:45

Not in London,
4 degrees,
in 30s,
no to bodem, print too big. But yes to scarves and other "mumsie" brands
do take ADs, sorry to let the side down
WAHM

madammecholet Thu 11-Apr-13 16:50:43

<hands Justine a G&T> grin

30's
degree
no where near London
don't wear Boden
wine & handbag addict

thermalsinapril Thu 11-Apr-13 16:52:47

Her "popping prozac" comment offensive angry Depression isn't a joke, it's an illness. It's also inaccurate, because there are likely to be the same percentage of Daily Mail readers taking antidepressants as there are Mumsnet readers.

thermalsinapril Thu 11-Apr-13 16:53:13

is offensive

TwitchyTail Thu 11-Apr-13 16:57:18

very, very late, like barely hanging on by my fingertips twenties. <desperately clings onto remnants of youth>

A million miles from London.

Several degrees, none of which have been the slightest bit of use in working out the fecking Maxi Cosi Rubix cube car seat. So pretty pointless then.

No to everything else.

MrsHoarder Thu 11-Apr-13 16:58:15

I vote we disguise ourselves with MN scarves.

ivykaty44 Thu 11-Apr-13 16:58:45

thermalsinapril

that is so not true! 80% of DM readers take antidepressants, the other 20% are illiterate wink

TooYappy Thu 11-Apr-13 17:00:32

30's (for a few months)

Scottish

No degree but working my ass off to get a diploma that I'm going to fail if that helps?

Not prozac as they make me even more hyperactive but yes do take sedatives not because of my children, just because I wasted so many year with their father and have horrid memories

When I was with their F (sorry he is not a D at all) this place was a life saver I couldn't have wished for better place to escape. Until he found me here too often

The article is nonsense, what about the Canadian Mumsnetters and America, Australia, Germany, Norway...

smilingthroughgrittedteeth Thu 11-Apr-13 17:00:54

Dp has just caught up with the fact that mn has taken a bashing in the press and would like me to point out to anyone that might be reading that he knows for a fact if it wasn't for the step-parenting forum he would be single and if it wasn't for the support of an amazing group of people on a thread in general health I would indeed be taking Prozac because I would have fallen apart months ago.

He also says that he has no idea what Boden is but I'm usually in my m&s pj's when mumsnetting so I can't be a typical mumsnetter.

Justine your email was great it's just a shame your having to defend a great place like mn

YoniJoking Thu 11-Apr-13 17:03:49

In my 20's ex Norf Londoner (ish) done 1 year of a degree course.

Justine, you are fab.

MmeLindor Thu 11-Apr-13 17:10:24

I am committing the heinous crime of not RTFT, so apologies if this has been said already, but I can understand her being upset if that is true - that there was a thread on here that called her ugly etc.

I have no idea. I haven't read her articles before (knowingly), and don't think I have seen her talked about on here.

For the record

40s
Lives in Scotland
No degree

Am I allowed to link to a blog here? Some of us bloggers are getting fed up with being bashed in the press and from other bloggers and have written posts about why we love Mumsnet. There are some fab blog posts there.

I'm in my forties. I grew up in London/Home counties borders but am an economic migrant to the Midlands. I have a degree and a PGCE and other bits and pieces.
I think I possibly do have dysthymia (long-standing low level depression) but that could just be because my heating's been busted for a week now and am seriously p'eed off ATM - not much likelihood of it being fixed now til Monday sad
My DC's are my raison d'etre but I enjoy other people/things too smile

usualsuspect Thu 11-Apr-13 17:13:38

I've just realised who she is, she wrote that article about sending her girls to private school and being skint didn't she?

She was probably desperate for the money then.

PetiteRaleuse Thu 11-Apr-13 17:17:21

She's often on This Morning too. Saw her on it this week talking about drugging her children.

kotinka Thu 11-Apr-13 17:20:58

MmeLindor I'd love the link if you wouldn't mind posting or pm'ing? Thanks.

SuffolkNYoni Thu 11-Apr-13 17:22:29

Oh is that her? I saw that section on TM and thought she seemed slightly blinkered in her views. Wanting to shock for shockings sake.

I'm not surprised Holly W is getting a pasting. It seemed like she was defending MN in that same episode, so you know, hang her hang the witch etc etc

MmeLindor Thu 11-Apr-13 17:22:30

Yes, Usual. Just googled it.

here

Ok, so we weren't kind, but she did put her life up for discussion in a national newspaper.

ginslinger Thu 11-Apr-13 17:23:29

Germany
58
2 degrees
Lived in london about 40 years ago

MmeLindor Thu 11-Apr-13 17:24:54

Blog

Do click through to the other blogs, there are a few really fab stories on there.

[hides from MNHQ]

PetiteRaleuse Thu 11-Apr-13 17:25:48

Oh I missed Holly W defending MN. I know I have seen Sibary on there before though, and yes, she is generally quite confrontational and has some quite interesting opinions.

MyFace Thu 11-Apr-13 17:26:37

London = Check
30's = Check
Degree = nearly there
Depressed= ...

Hang on, how does this journalist know me? hmm

kotinka Thu 11-Apr-13 17:28:23

Thanks MmeLindor

SarahStratton Thu 11-Apr-13 17:29:09

Lincolnshire
45
Only managed A'levels, spent far too much time mucking about. blush
Have never lived in London. Wouldn't want to either.
Don't wear Boden.
Single parent.
Pills? I practically rattle with em.

I would never expose my children the way she does. I actually find her quite disgusting for doing so.

AmandaPayneAteTooMuchChocolate Thu 11-Apr-13 17:32:02

I'd like that link too MmeLindor.

I haven't read the article as I'm not going to give them ad money for it, but if it is true, I think an intentional revenge hatchet job would be a low and cowardly thing to do. An inaccurate, low and cowardly thing to do.

How dare a group of women have opinions, about something other than raising their children. How dare a group of lively, engaged women, from all over the country, with all sorts of incomes and educational backgrounds have a robust and open exchange of ideas and debate issues.

I bloody lurrrve MN. Not just for the help people have given me along the way - like wailing about DD1's sleep or sourcing a decent kiddie wetsuit - but because I get to talk, intelligently, to people about proper issues and current affairs. Not something my life is overly blessed with at the moment as a SAHM.

Justine and HQ - It must be so galling to see MN bashed in the popular press. But, in the words of the West Wing's marvellous Charlie Young "if they're shooting at you, you know you're doing something right."

AmandaPayneAteTooMuchChocolate Thu 11-Apr-13 17:32:34

Sorry, cross post MmeLindor re the link.

MmeLindor Thu 11-Apr-13 17:33:46

Huff post reporting the DM spat with Holly

I like Holly. She seems to be a good egg.

morethanpotatoprints Thu 11-Apr-13 17:34:23

I too find her disgusting, her poor kids having mum wash her dirty laundry in public.
Oh how the mighty fall, we might not have much but what we do is paid for.
I think her and her dh are a bit thick actually.

Lessthanaballpark Thu 11-Apr-13 17:35:46

Why does everyone enjoy bashing MN? What is about our forum that's so different from others? Oh wait a minute .....

early 40's
degree
Home counties
no money whatsover- born semi-posh but has been downhill since then!

MmeLindor Thu 11-Apr-13 17:35:58

morethanpotato
lets not take pot shots at the journalist. It only gives them ammo

Phil Schofield's impassioned defence of Holly is great, isn't it?

YoniMontana Thu 11-Apr-13 17:39:09

30s
Degree
No Prozac
NE Scotland

PetiteRaleuse Thu 11-Apr-13 17:42:43

That is an utterly vile piece about Holly W. She comes across as a genuinely nice person. Wow, that's one of the nastiest uncalled for articles I have seen in a while.

Squarepebbles Thu 11-Apr-13 17:44:41

Devon,43,poooooooor,1 degree,no Boden(well dc had a bit of Mini),defo not yummy or organic anymore<sobs>more Sainsbury Savers these days ie cupboards full of white and orange.

Did Shona not read the thread night before last re the poster who felt her life was worthless.Loads of us tried to help with the result being the op arranged a gp appointment.

Never a week(perhaps even a day)goes by without help and support being given.You know I've been flamed over the years,we all have but sometimes you just need a reality check in the form of a virtual slap to make things become clear which is often the aim when you start a thread in aibu in particular.

Surely you take the rough with the smooth with everything.

Also for every opinion there is a counter opinion as illustrated in the drugging children thread re Shona's drug bragging article.Plenty of people defended her actions.

And Shona you write for the Daily Mail- pot,kettle- with big buggering bells on!

greenandcabbagelooking Thu 11-Apr-13 17:44:41

20's, have a degree, not in London.

SmellieWellies Thu 11-Apr-13 17:44:52

I love Holly too.

And Justine MN.

And MN.

If it were not for MN, I would possibly be divorced (although tbh, it is still touch and go on occasion). MN lets me vent, allows me to see different perspectives, and among other things has enabled me to see things from my DH's point of view and my DM's point of view, making me a more tolerant person, and deffo happier, more mature and more grounded.

[sticks out tongue]

MyFace Thu 11-Apr-13 17:45:48

Hear, hear Amanda

MmeLindor very interesting blog and good advice about not posting on AIBU until one is used to the site.

For some reason Phillip Schofield has always slightly scared me..

SaskiaRembrandtVampireHunter Thu 11-Apr-13 17:46:28

I do have a degree, but I'm in Yorkshire (not a posh or trendy part though), in my 40s, have never taken Prozac, don't wear Boden, never been to a Starbucks or drunk a latte (coffee should be black and strong enough to keep the spoon upright IMO)

hotair Thu 11-Apr-13 17:47:58

not 30 just yet (come back next year weeps)
degree
prozac actually and I'm in no-way ashamed of that. Nothing to do with having children though, just slightly wonky brain chemistry. My life has never been better than it is now to be honest! My children are ace.
Wales, but have lived in london in the past, and various other countries too.
I think very little of people who don't get mumsnet- but it is impossible to lower my opinion of the dm so....

MmeLindor Thu 11-Apr-13 17:50:04

Thanks MyFace

I that journalists are given a brief to find threads where MNetters are being nasty, and they will find something. 30,000 posts a day - of course there is going to be a few not so nice ones.

What a lot of people don't mention is that generally nasty posts are reported, or at least commented on. I have not seen totally one sided threads.

Aside from the DM NHS bashing thread. It was a classic.

diabolo Thu 11-Apr-13 17:50:19

Not me, 40 now, living in East Anglia but from oooop North originally, no degree sadly and only take Diazepam when I have to fly.

I love my life, my DH and my DS.

I've seen other people attempt to stereotype Mners but I don't meet those criteria either as I don't read the Guardian, am not left-wing nor do I make my own quiches.

31
No degree
Taking Prozac (to get over lack of degree)
Not in London

3/4 ain't bad!

And I like holly, get her on for a webchat! And Phil too!

Schofield doesn't have a journalism background either AFAIK; he has a music radio and sitting-in-the-broom-cupboard-with-Gordon-the-Gopher background. Yet Jon Whoeverheis reserves his bile for Holly on the basis that she's female and pretty. She's presenting This Morning not News At Ten -- she doesn't (and Phillip doesn't) need a journalistic background for that.

catgirl1976 Thu 11-Apr-13 17:55:02

30'S Yes
Degree Yes
Anti Ds Yes

London No

mid twenties, live in Scotland, have a degree, no prozac....nup, stereotype fail here too

The article about Holly Willoughby was utterly vile. Really nasty.

Jux Thu 11-Apr-13 17:57:01

Degree
Married
Not London
1 child
50s
No a-ds
Disabled
Don't read the DM ('cos it's shite)

I hope you're beginning to enjoy this thread of fine defence and affirmation of the site as much as I am Justine !

Especially loving the comments about whether or not people are on Prozac - all showing in their different ways MNs characteristic warmth, humanity and empathy - and a mile apart from the type of chiched, narrow-minded judgement that fills the DM's pages smile

30's
Degree educated
Live in London
Not on Prozac though I'm sure some people think I should be

Fulfilled most of the stereotypes in her article and also in one of Christina Odone's, about the north London Starbucks. I'm a MN walking cliché <hangs head in shame>

I suppose I should be grateful for the fact I'm not a mummy grin

Oblomov Thu 11-Apr-13 18:05:10

Well, I think she has a point.
We all know she has.

I don't fit he category becasue:
I do: drink tea, like hobnobs.
But I am nowhere near 30, have 2 degrees, not feminist, not from norf london, no organic, no prozac, no boden.
But I am not a ymuumy mummy. I look like shona. wierd looking.

And I DO "resent loss identity, lack of short term gratificatin from motherhood brings".
I have all this anger and I have no idea where it comes from, because I was never angry when I first met dh.
Very odd.
Even I, once said a couple of really nasty things about Nigella Lawson, on MN. I wish I hadn't. And I am no fan of Amanda Holden.

But MN does have an angry nasty side. We all do know that this is true.

SarahStratton Thu 11-Apr-13 18:09:30

MN saved me when I failed my ATOS thingy. I quite simply couldn't have sorted things without MN, God alone knows what I would have done.

I love MN for that.

MmeLindor Thu 11-Apr-13 18:11:25

Oblomov
yes, MN does have a nasty side. Such is life.

I do think that it is challenged though, on the boards. Don't you?

dizzyhoneybee Thu 11-Apr-13 18:11:34

No, I don't meet any of that criteria; wrong age, location, not on any medication and I don't have the degree (yet)

Eastpoint Thu 11-Apr-13 18:11:50

45, no degree, no Prozac, Boden free, dislike Hobnobs, like my children BUT London.

dizzyhoneybee Thu 11-Apr-13 18:12:21

Oh, and who is Shona anyway?!

VerySmallSqueak Thu 11-Apr-13 18:14:06

Not London.
Not 30's.
No degree.
No pills.

HoneyDragon Thu 11-Apr-13 18:14:56

I'm 34

Not in London

I have a degree funded by Mrs Thatcher actually

I don't wear Boden

I am a British manufacturer and SAHM

In short I'm the Daills Mails wet dream, but I think they are a bunch of pointless cockwombles. So I hang here.

Justine. You're doing us all proud. Don't let the weasels get you down thanks

heronsfly Thu 11-Apr-13 18:15:01

50 (ish)
Kent
6 children
No a-ds
Dont read dm
No degree.

VerySmallSqueak Thu 11-Apr-13 18:15:52

Oh and,
Lovely kids.
2nd hand Boden but then,it's 2nd hand everything.
Biscuit free zone.

CorruptWalnut Thu 11-Apr-13 18:17:02

Mid 30's
South Yorkshire (in an area where no stamp duty was paid for our house due to it being classed as an area of deprivation)
Degree
No prozac

MmeLindor Thu 11-Apr-13 18:18:34

Justine
Can we get your mum on here? She sounds utterly fab.

duchesse Thu 11-Apr-13 18:19:56

No, no, yes and no.

Usual bimbo-written DM tripe.

Sparklingbrook Thu 11-Apr-13 18:20:16

Justine's Mum for a webchat Mme? grin

Flugelpip Thu 11-Apr-13 18:20:33

35, London, two children, not on Prozac but do have a bad DM-reading habit. I'm trying to kick it. I read the Boden catalogue but am too scruffy to spend that kind of money...

Is it controversial to say I feel sorry for Sibary? The DM sets her up to be a target and undoubtedly insists her kids are photographed with her in those cringey pics. opportunities for freelance journalists are limited and the DM pays very well. I also read a blog once (no link, sorry) about a novelist's experience of being rewritten in DM style. They edited her piece to be more provocative, to generate comments and page views. They are trolls, attention-seeking. Hate their editorial stance, not Shona.

"not on Prozac but do have a bad DM-reading habit. I'm trying to kick it." Flugel

See, that's the sort of wit and wisdom I love about this place grin

I bloody love tea and HobNobs (dark choc, please) and I do appear to be dressed from neck to ankle in Boden today. I'm 40, have a degree, don't live in London, and am no longer on Prozac - I'm on other medication for life, which is equally as interesting and worthy of comment, ie not in the least.

I'm a little concerned about my mental health though, as if there's nothing uplifting (what, not even the bra intervention threads??) and life-affirming about MN then I must have imagined WoollyHugs. Which is quite a weird thing to imagine (as opposed to, say, Matt Smith in his pants or something).

MmeLindor Thu 11-Apr-13 18:30:12

Flugel
yes, agree with that assessment. I have read a blog about DM twisting a story, but can't remember the details. It was shocking but not surprising, if you know what I mean.

Yes, Sparkling. Let's have Justine's mum on for a webchat.

HoneyDragon Thu 11-Apr-13 18:30:57

Flugelpip

Nope not controversial, I think I agree with you a bit.

I am in my twenties, have a degree, currently studying for a second degree while raising one, soon two, children. I live in a nice house in Greater London/Surrey and yes I like to spend money on naice things.

clam Thu 11-Apr-13 18:35:40

You seriously reckon Justine is going to let her mum anywhere near us lot?

I'd like to read the article even if it does add a few pennies to the DM's coffers ... I tried the link on page 2 but slightly weirdly it brought me back to this thread - wondering what that's all about ? And is there another link here somewhere I could use ?

hotair Thu 11-Apr-13 18:37:26

When people complain about mumsnet having a nasty side I always wonder what they must think of the rest of the internet- even the worst of mumsnet is more like a toddlers tea party than the cruelty-fests on most forums.

SarahStratton Thu 11-Apr-13 18:37:58

She might. hmm <doubtful>

Where are the sidekicks, Jiz and whatserfaceIlovemyself with Asterix the gun toting OH? Why aren't they on the bandwagon?

Late 20s, Home Counties, yes to degree but no prozac yet

zzzzz Thu 11-Apr-13 18:39:32

Only the degree bit fits me, and that was a looooong tim ago and not exactly life defining.

clam Thu 11-Apr-13 18:40:13

Well, I would say that the doghouse is one of the most, shall we say outspoken of sections (apart from AIBU of course) but SS would be OK on there because it looks like she has dogs that would pass the entry test i.e. not a poodle cross

In Derbyshire.

In 30's.

Have a degree.

Not taken Prozac.

PolkaDotCups Thu 11-Apr-13 18:45:39

In my 30s, two degrees and live in the South East. I'm partial to the odd Hobnob and my DD is currently wearing Boden.

Equally, I went back to work when she was 9 weeks old for fear of losing my job and actually got some good advice and support on here. People were lovely when I posted in a state about breastfeeding and totally non judgemental. I did manage to conquer it and EBF for 6 months but was told on here that happy mother equals happy baby.

I'm sure there are nasty bullying types on here; I don't have to read their posts. With any huge group of people you don't expect to like everyone, you don't expect everyone to be lovely. Unlike everyday life it's really easy to ignore the things in here you don't want to read ...

EmpressOfTheSevenOceans Thu 11-Apr-13 18:48:33

London, degree, 30s (for the next few months anyway).
Not on pills, love my job and DW and DD are pretty good too.

ouryve Thu 11-Apr-13 18:48:44

I have a degree. That's it.

OrangeFootedScrubfowl Thu 11-Apr-13 18:49:34

30s, Up North, no prozac, no Boden, no degree and no iron. Oh no hobnobs either.
Gosh I have nothing! I feel like a bit of an underachiever now. Might buy some hobnobs.

Xenia Thu 11-Apr-13 18:49:46

I haven't heard of that person Shona but not in my 30s any more, degree, London. I think it is hard to generalise about posters, as there are so many different people who post. Lots of all kinds.

I am in the Thatcher supporter club as it were, free market libertarian, flat taxer, want women working full time in power with lots of money, never part timers or housewives, feminist etc and not everyone is like I am ( although obviously they should be and when I have done my work they all shall be... laughing as I type).

It is a good thing to hear different views.

Oh and an un-Mumsnetty LOL @ Justine's Patricia Hodge impersonating Mother grin

40s, no London, two degrees - woop

No prozac. Why take Prozac when you've got Mumsnet?

MrsMaryCooper Thu 11-Apr-13 18:53:49

Not in 30's,
not in London,
2 degrees plus professional qualification,
I do have some Boden,
but I don't eat Hobnobs.

I drink a lot of tea but not with anti - depressants.

"It is a good thing to hear different views" Xenia

shock Could it be that we've all made an albeit very small impression on your views too Xenia ?! wink

Xenia Thu 11-Apr-13 18:55:54

Of course. I listen. My whole life is a learning curve. It is what makes life exciting.

However people with depression need to go on to the eating threads. There is causation between a diet high in sugar, chocolates, hob nobs and blood sugar shooting up and down. If they ate lots of veg and fish and eggs and other whole foods they would not need the prozac particularly if they work full time which is what tends to make most mothers a lot happier.

Mirage Thu 11-Apr-13 18:56:09

40's
no degree
live in the countryside
run my own business
Take anti depressants
never heard of the silly woman.

RedToothBrush Thu 11-Apr-13 18:56:47

We’ve all come across the kind of women who spout it. They’re the ones at the school gates whose Darling Daughter and Darling Son are always in perfectly ironed uniforms clutching organic lunches.

Probably, behind closed doors, they’re popping Prozac and deeply resenting the loss of identity and lack of short-term gratification that motherhood brings.

Well I'd like to know WHERE THE FUCK do I fit in.

I don't even HAVE kids.

Its all very well having a pop at everyone else having a chip on their shoulder... and then writing an article like that.

But the vile outpourings from this cliquey, elitist bunch of witches were staggering to read

I'd like to ask why its ok to have a go at people having mental health problems and in need of prozac... whilst also saying its a site that is liable to prompt suicides (a comment that I note has now been removed) Hmm... yes...

Irony. Much?

Its an article dripping in comic genius as a result and I'm pissing myself laughing at the amendments that have been forced by Justine's email.

I'd also like to point out to Shona if she has a problem with many of the posts she describes that there is a little button called 'report' as a lot of them would break talk guidelines, if they are exactly how she describes.

Its very easy to use...

b4bunnies Thu 11-Apr-13 18:58:33

not me.

fifty five, live in the north, have a degree, don't take ads, don't have a shit life and no children living at home, though daughter, son in law and grandaughter live nearby. i like tea and used to like plain hobnobs (do they still make them?). nothing from boden.

mumsnet does have a nasty side. but worse than the nastiness and hounding is the 'head in the sand, you can only say things we like' attitude.
when information is considered 'too much' for mners, it is removed, even if mners ought to know.

Well I agree with your first line there Xenia - I hope I'm a life long learner too smile

Also happy to listen to your advice about the benefits of a good diet, mmm - yummy veg and fish and eggs sounds good smile - though don't think it will be the whole answer for many.

Advice about work ? Not so much - because we're all different for one thing, and the work place has a long way to go before it's a truly family friendly and woman friendly place to be. Until then we all have to juggle our way through life and work as seems best to us at the time !

Xenia Thu 11-Apr-13 19:05:28

Depends what you mean by woman friendly. Many many women want money and power and to get to the top and like working long hours in work they adore. We do not all want to work 3 hours a day and spend the rest cleaning sick off a child and ironing the shirts of an ungrateful man - the latter is not nirvana for anyone with half a brain who wants a balanced and fun life. I do though advocate people work for themselves - so you keep 100% of your profits and in a sense eat what you kill.

HoneyDragon Thu 11-Apr-13 19:07:16

Eat healthy and work hard? Do I have to? <<put upon face>>

miffybun73 Thu 11-Apr-13 19:07:41

30s, but only for another couple of months, live in NW England, degree. No Prozac and loving being a SAHM for the time being smile

ClaraOswinOswald Thu 11-Apr-13 19:07:56

In my thirties, perfectly turned out children, handmade organic intricately carved bento boxes for lunch, lots of Boden, yep that's me.
smile
Disclaimer: only 1 of the above is true.

I don't do ironing. And yes I hate it when my DCs are sick, but that's mostly because I'm worried about them. I think working 3 hours a day is about perfect for my life ATM - as long as it's term time only wink

ReluctantlyBeingYoniMassaged Thu 11-Apr-13 19:12:31

The description in the OP is me' key pet I moved away from London six years ago and I take Citalopram, not Prozac. Oh dear.

flatmum Thu 11-Apr-13 19:13:42

40s home counties 2 degrees kids but no prozac

Late 30s, degree, south coast, drugs <lots> wink

BitBewildered Thu 11-Apr-13 19:19:38

35, Londoner living in the NE, currently doing a degree, no prescription drugs.

40s, out West, do have a degree, work FT, shop in topshop, never worn any Boden, no hobnobs.

I WANT HOBKNOBS

Or maybe hobnobs. But love a knob around the hob too.

Arf

ISpyPlumPie Thu 11-Apr-13 19:24:45

30s, degree - check. I am however very Northen. Still, to quote Meatloaf, two out of three aint bad. she's still speaking a load of shite in general though

So, I'm guessing the DM knows it's got no hope of keeping any readers who .... are graduates, live in the big smoke, frequent Mumsnet, think about life enough to be sometimes depressed by what they see !

So, going more for the un-informed country dweller who can be spoon-fed and never breast-fed their opinion in a handy tabloid is that about it ?

"no prescription drugs" grin @ Bewildered

JustineMumsnet (MNHQ) Thu 11-Apr-13 19:31:07

MmeLindor

Yes, Sparkling. Let's have Justine's mum on for a webchat.

Or let's not.

DamselWithADulcimer Thu 11-Apr-13 19:32:02

40, nowhere near London, with doctorate, SAHM and v happy. Can't afford Boden due to school fees. Find MN a horrible, cliquey, bullying place and agree with Shona on that score (though disagree with everything else she says).

Flosshilde Thu 11-Apr-13 19:35:13

30s, 2 degrees, sister lives in London, wouldn't be seen dead in Boden, was on Prozac for 9mo a few years ago (pre DCs). Currently breastfeeding and therefore intake of choccy biccies of all types is through the roof.

Orangerevel Thu 11-Apr-13 19:35:58

40's
No degree
No pills just wine

ClaraOswald Thu 11-Apr-13 19:39:22

Would she tell us all sorts of embarrassing stories about when you were a toddler Justine?
grin

Go on, bring her in.

dothraki Thu 11-Apr-13 19:42:06

Too old for Uggs
Used to live in London - but managed to escape
No degree
No prozac
No hobnobs
Boden - I don't think so
Far too young to read the Daily Fail
and whats all this crossing out business

welcometomysillylife Thu 11-Apr-13 19:42:34

ancient
1 degree
used to live in london, miss it every day
did buy boden once but too expensive for me now even in the sales
can't buy biscuits as eat the whole packet in one go

mumofthemonsters808 Thu 11-Apr-13 19:45:44

Age 40, got a degree,live in Manchester,no pills. Never breastfed or wore Boden, children go to state schools, read the DMail.

cuppateaanyone Thu 11-Apr-13 19:48:47

35, no degree, not living in London and the nearest I came to pills was years before DS.

idonthaveone Thu 11-Apr-13 19:49:13

Home counties , degree no prozac early 40s shock shock

moggiek Thu 11-Apr-13 19:50:17

54
Scotland
two degrees

What is this Daily Mail of which you speak .....?

ediblewoman Thu 11-Apr-13 19:59:45

Great response Justine.

I am in my 30s, have a degree and postgrads and live in Bright

LaundryFairy Thu 11-Apr-13 20:03:12

40's
West Country
2 degrees
No Boden
Shopping list today contained the item 'naice ham'

MrSlant Thu 11-Apr-13 20:04:42

What is this 'ironing' everyone keeps talking about?

Feelingood Thu 11-Apr-13 20:06:50

West Midlands (originally from up North)
Doing second degree now.

I didn't know who she was but I knows who regular posters are on here so go figure that then.

She used the word 'housewife'.

It's ironic she defended herself by retaliating in such a... err nasty manner about the site and certain posters. She has undermined any points about that thread by using her position to do same.

She acknowledges she is controversial then why doesn't she defend articles POV, that were being attacked on thread in the article today.

Did I detect a 'knew it was comming' in some of the phrasing in Jusitnes email.

Iggity Thu 11-Apr-13 20:12:34

Sort of. Am in London with post-grad degree, in my 30s, minimal Boden as I can now spot it a mile away. I don't live in Muswell Hill and I work full-time. No pills but I probably could do with some. I post very little on Mumsnet but I do enjoy reading some of the funny threads rather than the ones where the OP is being pulled to pieces.

Feelingood Thu 11-Apr-13 20:12:44

Oh I did have PND but I used self help strategies.

Can I stay?

Feelingood Thu 11-Apr-13 20:13:36

That'd be the ironing services of us middlerclassers!

fapl Thu 11-Apr-13 20:14:08

I live in London, in my mid thirties and have a degree grin

But... WAAAAAH! I never get to drink steaming tea! The tea I end up drinking is, at best, lukewarm, usually tepid. I wanna be the mumsnetter that is being described that drinks steaming tea <stomps feet>.

cupatea grin

2 degrees, 2 DDs, no Prozac but the odd diazepam, no Boden, dark choc digestives live up from London.
So don't really fit either!

melika Thu 11-Apr-13 20:18:29

I'm really old, late forties. No degree. Live 120 miles away from London. Have never took a tranq.( prefer a glass of dry white)!

No I don't fit.

Shakey1500 Thu 11-Apr-13 20:21:54

Happy to add to the list...

43
Wales
No Prozac
No degree (except minus lots of them what with being in Wales and all...)

melika Thu 11-Apr-13 20:24:29

But where's the link, can't find it?

<psst> Prozac is a brand name, fluoxetine is the proper name now

MyFace Thu 11-Apr-13 20:30:18

fapl, I think we can blame this all on you, leave for the sake of MNers I beg you, you're showing us up wink

olivertheoctopus Thu 11-Apr-13 20:34:01

30's, have degree, not in London, no Prozac. What do you expect from the Daily Fail other than vitriol?!

Chockyeggpants Thu 11-Apr-13 20:36:21

43.
Chester.
SAHM.
1 DD
1 degree.
No pills.
Sweary and arsey.

thermalsinapril Thu 11-Apr-13 20:44:24

Xenia, your comments about depression aren't helpful or accurate I'm afraid. It's perfectly possible for clinical depression to strike someone despite their fulfilling job and low G.I. diet.

pointythings Thu 11-Apr-13 20:46:20

45.
In East Anglia.
Degree
Not a Boden in sight.
Not at all bitter, ridiculously happy in fact.

Fabulous response, Justine.

coffeeinbed Thu 11-Apr-13 20:55:39

Xenia, what are you on about?
Depression is an illness, bugger the fish and greens.
You sound like Tom Cruise and the vitamin pills for PND.

maryz Thu 11-Apr-13 20:57:33

I have only just seen this thread.

And the A&E thread.

I love Mumsnet [contented sigh]

And I too would enjoy seeing Justine's mum on a webchat.

Feelingood Thu 11-Apr-13 20:58:49

Seconds what marls said.

I really hope you never get depressed Xenia cos that ain't gonna work, if it was that fecking easy don't you think we would all know bout that and depression would be a thing of the past.

Id be laughing so much but my blood is boiling.

Must remember not to read your posts unrealistic.

Many many women seek money and power.....oh ffs.

Lucyellensmum95 Thu 11-Apr-13 20:59:01

Xenia - you don't change do you, you are one of the most hilarious posters on here!

maryz Thu 11-Apr-13 21:05:56

I think xenia should write a book.

After all, she has the answers to all of life's problems. And knows everything. And is always right.

I see a lot of "I am a pompous know-it-all and if you buy my book you can be one too" books on the shelves atm, and it seems to be a lucrative business.

Feelingood Thu 11-Apr-13 21:11:47

Nothing funny about belittling mental health illnesses to diet cures alone.

Shaky Thu 11-Apr-13 21:14:04

I'll add to the list.

40

North Wales

Degree

No boden

Hell yes, to Prozac!

Finding MN and the fantastic support in the puddle literally saved my life when I was very ill with depression. I will be eternally grateful to these friends who have supported me through my darkest days, made me laugh, smile and basically helped me to go on living.

There are currently 6 people whom I have never met who are wearing jewellery I have made and sent out as gifts due to MN.

Elderwand Thu 11-Apr-13 21:16:39

33
Degree
Live in North Nottinghamshire! grin

I am 42.
I am Italian, but I lived in Devon for a long time.
1 degree, 1 master
2 children
I am way too cool to wear Boden
No Prozac, though it'd help to survive the long winter.

Lucyellensmum95 Thu 11-Apr-13 21:18:10

I quite agree feelinggood, but having borne witness to many of xenia's posts over the years, i stopped taken them seriously a long time ago!

tumbletumble Thu 11-Apr-13 21:20:31

I'm in my thirties, have a degree, lived in London until moving out to commuter belt a few years ago.

Never tried Prozac though....

Shaky Thu 11-Apr-13 21:22:54

Xenia maybe I should try just eating a few more peas and a bit of broccoli.

I'm sure that would cure the awful depression that almost killed me.

LadyBeagleEyes Thu 11-Apr-13 21:26:07

I'm 56, I live in the Highlands and I don't have a degree.
I live in an HA home, sometimes I'm on benefits, sometimes I'm not as I get work during the season doing various touristy jobs.
And I'm getting so sick of this, particularly from the likes of Shona Sibary, who I only recognise from the This Morning sofa.
Why the fuck has it come to it that Justine has to send an email to defend this website?
Oh and I'm on pills too, maybe it's because there's so many miserable people around that get media attention and seem to be there to bring women down wink

Plomino Thu 11-Apr-13 21:29:23

42 .
No academic degree but a Masters in detecting bandwagon jumping combined with agenda spotting . And a doctorate in sarcasm .

Work in London . Loathe it .Live over 100 miles away in beyond rural East Anglia . Only pills I've ever taken are vitamin C , and glucose tablets.

5 children . House full of mud and suppressed rage .

Boden ? Boden ? WTF is Boden ?

BCBG Thu 11-Apr-13 21:29:25

Im 53, don't live in London, have two degrees and I don't pop Prozac. Nor do I waste my life reading the Daily Wail thank fuck grin

BCBG Thu 11-Apr-13 21:30:14

Fuck FUCK I'm fifty-fucking TWO for God's sake blush

Barbabeau Thu 11-Apr-13 21:33:02

Am total stereotype. In 30s, two degrees, live in London and have a few Boden items.

Don't pop pills yet.

Glittertwins Thu 11-Apr-13 21:33:43

I'm 30s, have a degree and live a few miles north west of London. Prefer G&T or a cuppa to pill popping though. I quite like my life so certainly not bitter and twisted.

HellesBelles396 Thu 11-Apr-13 21:34:19

30's - check
London - never been
degree - check
Boden - nothing
hob-nobs - I miss hob-nobs
depression - since well before I was a mother
ironing - I think I own an iron...

it is immensely disheartening when anyone slates someone else for reasons other than those deserved. if SS doesn't like things said by the minority of mnetters, she has done well to sat so but generalising in the way she has is as bad as the people she complains about - worse really because of the hypocrisy involved.

BCBG Thu 11-Apr-13 21:34:26

Mind you, (she says, reasonably grin) my sister takes Prozac and I would seriously swing for anyone who belittled her fight against severe depression. I just can't believe we take this sort of shit seriously. Seriously. (Even if I can't remember how feckin old I am...)

Worriedaboutapal Thu 11-Apr-13 21:40:45

30s - yep
london - no
anti-depressants - yes
degree - yep, I have 3 - greedy me

ScrambledSmegs Thu 11-Apr-13 21:41:33

I checked that article to see if it's been amended in line with Justine's email. Yes it has. She is now referred to as

Justine Roberts, sports journalist and liberalista wife of The Guardian’s deputy editor Ian Katz

Yes, DM, that's so much better hmm. What in the name of all that is friffing holy is a liberalista?

At least they've removed the potentially libellous insinuation that MN could cause people to kill themselves.

Feelingood Thu 11-Apr-13 21:48:15

Ok lucy

thegreylady Thu 11-Apr-13 21:51:08

OAP [69] live in small country town and have a teaching certificate and a degree.
I am not breast feeding at the moment grin
I'd hate to live in London.
I have a happy marriage,2 dc and 3 step dc who between them have given us 9 amazing dgc smile
No Boden though I am partial to a chocolate hobnob.My politics are left of centre but right of communist.

thegreylady Thu 11-Apr-13 21:52:08

Oh yes-never been clinically depressed and never popped a Prozac in my life.

OhTheConfusion Thu 11-Apr-13 21:52:31

Not quite 30 yet.
Like a weekend in London but live in Scotland!
I have a degree but don't use it.
Can't believe you are all on drugs and no one has suggested it wink.
Love a hobnob but since I joined the WW thread they are banned from our house!

MiaSparrow Thu 11-Apr-13 21:52:37

30s, degree, live in London and HAPPY! Oh, sorry - that's not allowed is it?

I too go under the title of freelance journalist, although I'd rather be a Portaloo scrubber than write for the Daily Hate.

happybubblebrain Thu 11-Apr-13 21:59:03

40s, I don't live in London (thank God), I don't pop any kinds of pills, not even vitamins. I do have a degree though.

peachypips Thu 11-Apr-13 22:00:33

- 34
- Live in Devon
- A certified loony-loops so nice lot of pills
- Two degrees
- My kids wear some Boden if my mum is feeling flush!

So I qualify as a perfect MNer on all but one count. Very proud. Very proud indeed.

BumBiscuits Thu 11-Apr-13 22:01:38

Forties, Scottish, no degree and have never tried Prozac --would like to th

BumBiscuits Thu 11-Apr-13 22:02:09

would like to though

BIWI Thu 11-Apr-13 22:03:15

In my 50s, degree and post-degree qualifications, live in London. Never been near an anti-depressant.

MiaSparrow Thu 11-Apr-13 22:05:30

BumBiscuits! You did the strike through. Shona doesn't like that.

Liar, BIWI! You are not in your fifties! You are my age!

Athrawes Thu 11-Apr-13 22:07:02

43
New Zealand (do I get a prize!)
Three degrees
One kid
Citalopram!! (Prozac lite)

MavisGrind Thu 11-Apr-13 22:08:00

42
North-West
degree and post-grad qualifications
2 dcs
wine, not pills
boden only sporadically and only ever off ebay

As I've said before on here - I knew SS when we were all at college (It hadn't become a university at that point - it's where you went when you fucked up your A levels). I also remember that she was quite shallow peculiar then.

CouthySaysEatChoccyEggs Thu 11-Apr-13 22:08:33

In my 30's, NOT in London, have a degree (that's now useless thanks to my broken body...), NOT on Prozac.

2/4?!

BIWI Thu 11-Apr-13 22:10:53

grin

I wish it were true, Quint. But I'm 53. I have NO idea how that happened. I'm sure I was 27 only yesterday.

QuintessentialYawnyYoni Thu 11-Apr-13 22:14:42

Same here. And the worst part is that I sort of feel like I am 18! confused

bigbuttons Thu 11-Apr-13 22:15:40

how do people have so many degrees?!!!

Ssssh, BIWI.

I did know you must be a proper grown up what with having such grown-up children, but in my head you're my age.

Seems like reading this thread, the only age most of us aren't is our 30s.

MadBraLady Thu 11-Apr-13 22:16:04

Tick, tick and tick!

I'm not a mum though, which kind of lets the side down.

MadBraLady Thu 11-Apr-13 22:16:44

Oh, missed the prozac one. Well, I used to be, so 1/2.

MadBraLady Thu 11-Apr-13 22:17:22

how do people have so many degrees?!!!

Indecision. grin

bigbuttons Thu 11-Apr-13 22:18:04

only one degree
pgce
45
6 kids
born and bred in south London now in Brighton
occasional Boden from charity shops
prozac in the past beer in the present and fags

PigeonPie Thu 11-Apr-13 22:19:49

Well, I was in my 30s when I joined MN 7+ years ago, but am now in my 40s. We did live in London pre-DC. I take diazepam, but not as an AD. I prefer Seasalt to Boden!

PigeonPie Thu 11-Apr-13 22:20:40

Oh, and although I don't have a degree, but do have professional qualifications.

AngloSvensk Thu 11-Apr-13 22:47:55

30
Atm in Newcastle
SAHM
No degree but starting an OU one soon
No prozac
No idea what Boden is or most of the other brands that have been name dropped.

sigh I am getting really fed up with the Daily Fail. sad Just because people on MN say it like it is and don't sugar coat anything, its apparently the spawn of some evil viper, forked tongues, vemon and all. angry I think Justine and the rest at MNTowers do a great job and have a fantastic and informative site on their hands.

Interesting that so many people have re-trained (evidenced by having more than one degree) - I feel less freaky and indecisive now. And think I might try doing some more training sometime soon. (Perhaps in the elements of English grammar ? to stop me starting sentences with And wink) Also encouraged that so many have tried anti-D's - I might give them a whirl sometime smile

Jux Thu 11-Apr-13 22:53:06

Oh yes, Pigeon, I like Seasalt. Boden is so passé.

fromparistoberlin Thu 11-Apr-13 23:04:51

yup, thats me
grin

Message withdrawn at poster's request.

Biscuitsneeded Thu 11-Apr-13 23:11:29

I just looked up the article in question. I know we said no comments about looks but I have never seen a picture of Gina Ford before, having given her a wide berth, and I now think she is persona created by the ubiquitous Justin and she probably belongs on Gigglebiz.

Me: 40s, live in E Anglia, working 2 jobs, 2 kids, couple of degrees and a teaching qualification.

I remember AGES ago watching a documentary about women having their first babies. I swear SS was one of them. I remember thinking she was a bit odd then; she and her husband were barely on speaking terms and in fact I think she'd dumped him. Strange to think they are still together now - if it's the same chap. She was clearly desperate for attention by any possible means even then.

Toasttoppers Thu 11-Apr-13 23:13:12

No to all of the criteria, no Boden or hobnobs either

I could write how I feel about this person but fear I would be banned if I spewed my hate filled bile all over the thread.

MostlyLovingLurchers Thu 11-Apr-13 23:14:40

Early 40s
South West
Degree (and other stuff because i can't stick at one thing)
Had much better drugs than prozac
More tank girl than boden

ToomuchWaternotWine Thu 11-Apr-13 23:17:12

40s, scotland, one degree and unrelated post degree quals, one child, was on ads for PND not now.

Daily fail are a bunch of wankbadgers.

Justine is fab.

Schooldidi Thu 11-Apr-13 23:20:05

I'm in my 30s and have a degree, but live in Cumbria so that's a long way from London. I'm not on Prozac either but I think maybe I should be.

((( Hugs to LunaticFringe, just because )))

Message withdrawn at poster's request.

SomethingOnce Thu 11-Apr-13 23:37:00

30s, check.
London, check.
Degree, check.
Prozac, not lately.

Who is Shona?

SomethingOnce Thu 11-Apr-13 23:40:02

Oh, and it pleases me no end to be despised by the Fail grin

marilynwhirlwind Thu 11-Apr-13 23:44:42

48yrs old (today as a matter of fact!)
LIve in Lancashire.
No degree, but a professional qualification.
No anti-dpressants.
Mainly lurk around S&B (although have neither).
Like Boden and love Seasalt.
So only tick the one box really.
Oh, very pro bfing but only for the benefit of the DM & DC, wouldn't judge those who don't.

CocktailQueen Thu 11-Apr-13 23:46:04

Two degrees, live in Home Counties, happy with dc, no antidepressants. Who is Shona?!

BreconBeBuggered Thu 11-Apr-13 23:50:57

I've read the entire thread and I'm still no closer to finding out who the Shona one is than she is at describing the typical MNer. For statistical purposes only: degree plus professional bits, not London, not 30s, no Prozac, don't like biscuits.

BreconBeBuggered Thu 11-Apr-13 23:51:55

NB my professional bits are the best bits, naturally.

Thumbwitch Fri 12-Apr-13 00:09:15

Brecon, she is a lemonsucking "journalist" who wrote about poor poor Amanda Holden being bullied by MN.

I am in my 40s, have 2 degrees, used to live in the Home Counties but now live in Australia. I hate Boden but am a bit of a lentil weaver (cloth nappies, co-sleeping, bf'ing as long as poss, preference for organic and fromscratch cooking/food)
Happy SAHM with 2 DSs and no pills (apart from vit/min/oil supplements).

Don't give much of a toss what anyone else does so long as it's a) legal and b) doesn't do any actual harm.

Petisa Fri 12-Apr-13 00:09:53

Hadn't heard of this woman but looked up her articles and her opinions are vile imo. Drugging children, smacking 14 year olds, wtf?

Had to tee hee at this comment under her article: "Hate mumsnet, full of opinionated, superior, breast feeding, communists." grin

Thumbwitch Fri 12-Apr-13 00:10:25
Thumbwitch Fri 12-Apr-13 00:13:11

Sorry, thread about Shona Sibary - the link is to a different article, not the one about Poor Amanda Holden.

Petisa Fri 12-Apr-13 00:15:36

Oh, and I am in my 30s, am doing a PhD, but don't live in London, am not depressed, only stressed trying to juggle being a single mum struggling financially and feeling like a PhD failure. Not interested in criticising boring, annoying DM people's parenting choices <yawn>

I am a bit of a breastfeeding socialist though! grin

ComposHat Fri 12-Apr-13 00:16:18

Does she not know that Prozac is soooo 90s! The world of SSRIs moves fast.

All the cool kids (and I assume the Boden clad London mothers of this hack's imagination) are popping Citalopram.

somuchtosortout Fri 12-Apr-13 00:19:28

Was living in London but recently felt an urge to move to Hull, only to find estate agents over run by leopard-scarfed women with slightly askew haircuts.

JustinesYoniSaysNoniMumsnet (MNHQ) Fri 12-Apr-13 00:21:00

Can't wait for the next Mumsnet census. Reckon Hull will be massively over-represented.

eastereggnog Fri 12-Apr-13 00:31:23

Sorry, I'm a bit fick, (well not really, 2 degrees and a postcard, hobnob loving, in 30's but not from London), but is this the response from the DM to the heavy criticism it received from MN about the Philpott cover? Because that's what it feels like to me.

mummysbigsmiles Fri 12-Apr-13 00:32:36

I'm 23 a single mum and live in Glasgow. Complete opposites!

somuchtosortout Fri 12-Apr-13 00:36:26

<wonders how much more mileage there is to be had from Hull-related jokes>

Yes, London (but only half British), Yes degree, no ADs, yes in 30s.
Didn't grow up in London, or England for that matter.

HOWEVER
(in seriousness)
Have interacted with so many different people from different walks of life and learnt so much from Mumsnet, that, if anything, it has the potential of bringing any stereotypical middle class Londoner out of her bubble.

Mumsnet has been an eye-opener both in terms of insights in to other people's lives as well as on a more personal level.

It can be a place of comfort, laughs companionship and support and I only wish I'd known about it when I was having a tough time a few years ago.

LadyBeagleEyes Fri 12-Apr-13 00:41:36

And we really aren't allowed to make bitchy remarks about her looks on here?
Pity.

SabrinaMulhollandJjones Fri 12-Apr-13 00:46:46

MN is bluddy marvellous. smile

WhitegoldWielder Fri 12-Apr-13 00:50:32

40s
Degree plus other qualifications
Midlands
No hobnobs
Bit of Boden
No Prozac

Love MN

YankNCock Fri 12-Apr-13 00:58:07

I resent the implication that I iron my kid's clothes.

YankNCock Fri 12-Apr-13 01:01:31

Oh and...

30s
Degree
Used to live in London
Boden hand me downs for the kids from the friend who introduced me to MN yonks ago (but none for me)
Sertraline

trashcanyoni Fri 12-Apr-13 01:05:52

and for the record, why should it fucking matter if a mnetter does have a degree, live in north London, take prozac, and blah blah whatever other shite they want to spout... oh yeah, shop at Boden... Fuck the fuck off nob heads

YoniSibary Fri 12-Apr-13 01:09:44

<Twirls>

I was 30s, with a degree, living in London when I first joined here.
Am now out of London but the other two still apply.

Loving motherhood, no Prozac, no hobnobs.

Dryjuice25 Fri 12-Apr-13 03:36:08

Degree: Check
30's :check
London : Nope
Chn : 3 lovely ones
Prozac : Nope
Hobnobs : Occasionally
Boden : What is that?
Wine : Red once a fortnight!

only just then-

somanymiles Fri 12-Apr-13 05:05:20

Don't jump on me, but I actually do think she must have felt shocked and sad to have found a thread slagging her off. Not everyone can take the kind of gloves-off honesty (and lets face it sometimes bitchiness) that exists on an anonymous forum.

Unfortunately her article was written as a form of revenge and really she has ended up being hurtful herself.

For the record, 40s, living in Canada but I do have a degree! No prozac and love having children. Have no time can't be bothered to iron children's clothes, or my own for that matter. Oh, but I am a co-sleeping, extended breastfeeding type.

alwayslateforwork Fri 12-Apr-13 05:10:06

Also 40 something in Canada with a degree or two. Bf and bottle fed (would have bfed them all but dd born with no suck reflex - not sure that fits with her neat little stereotype.)

No Prozac. Or any other meds/ drugs.

Ironing? Wtaf? I have a husband to do that for me!

alwayslateforwork Fri 12-Apr-13 05:10:56

And they don't sell boden or hobnobs here. I don't think. <ponders>

I can do a nice line in donuts though?

TheRealMBJ Fri 12-Apr-13 05:29:10

Who iron's kids clothes? Everyone I know has the sense to spend the time on something more worthwhile

30s, yes, 2 degrees, live in Germany, no pills smile Also only read the first page and no idea who Shona is - was assuming a hairy handed one til I got to the Daily Fail reference.

OrangeLily Fri 12-Apr-13 06:55:37

No pills

Younger than 30

Degree

Live in Scotland

Hobnobs are Nice but need dipped in something tea like

Hadn't even head of Boden until I started on MN

No kids hmm but MN is helping to put me off/plan fertility

Theicingontop Fri 12-Apr-13 07:31:12

Early twenties.
A-levels.
Coastal town in Kent.
Never had to take anti-depressants.
Never purchased a single item from Boden.
Hobnobs are disgusting, I prefer rich teas.

Haven't read the thread that was dedicated to her, but can't imagine it would make for comfortable reading. It does sound vile.

AgathaF Fri 12-Apr-13 08:26:22

Xenia - have you always been so arrogant and judgemental? Your comment on treating depression shows a shocking level of ignorance, maybe you should write for the DM.

Xenia Fri 12-Apr-13 08:32:01

Actually most of my family work in mental health so it is not really true I know nothing about depression. There have been huge increasese in it in the last few decades which almost directly correlate to people eating a processed diet, not being outside, not moving around ni the course of life and work. My late father (psychiatrist) always tried to get his patients to take up outdoor hobbies. Just about every depression unit of any worth always tries to get people off alcohol, chocolate, sugar white flour as they cause moods to shoot up and down but yes I agree that prozac does stabilise seratonin levels and for many saves their life and of course the best doctors would say take the pills if you need them , have the therapy and the third pillar is good diet, sun light and exercise.

Theicingontop Fri 12-Apr-13 08:40:26

<sips steaming tea>

I'm in my 30s with a degree. I'm on antidepressants but it's not Prozac & it's not due to having children.

I've never work Boden either.

melika Fri 12-Apr-13 08:48:39

I hate hobnobs!

Shop in Aldi, Lidl and Iceland.

Wear anything from charity shops.

Do I hand in my membership card as I leave the fold? sad

Taffeta Fri 12-Apr-13 08:54:24

I probably fit every MN stereotype there is going, except I don't live in London, am not in my 30's, don't take ADs and don't have a degree.

LittleBoxes Fri 12-Apr-13 09:13:01

It's me! London, degree... 40s. Oh.

And no pillpopping here. Generally undepressed working mother, happily juggling much-loved/amazing child and absorbing/fulfilling job.

DamselWithADulcimer Fri 12-Apr-13 09:17:43

RealMBJ: I iron my children's clothes. Sorry I have nothing more "worthwhile" to do. THink you are proving SS right...

scottishmummy Fri 12-Apr-13 09:18:36

Op,your posts are snippy retort to a piece you not like.all reads a bit bulgy eyed tbh

Smellslikecatspee Fri 12-Apr-13 09:25:44

Don’t live in London
Don’t have a degree, do have a professional based qualification i.e.: registered nurse

Don’t take anti-d’s but would if I needed them

I’m 39

And most of all don’t have children. . . . .

And recently found out a friend is also a MNer, in their 40s, 2 DC, no degree, no ADs as far as I know and has a willy.

AgathaF Fri 12-Apr-13 09:32:27

Xenia, you have somewhat extended your probable cause of depression there, in your last post, and I agree that those things do help many people. I would add though that it is generally accepted in medical research that correlation does not prove causation.

AgathaF Fri 12-Apr-13 09:33:41

Smellslikecatspee - gosh, does your friend know you know about him?

Xenia Fri 12-Apr-13 09:38:10

I think my initial brief comment on the thread that people move to a junk food diet correlates to huge increases in depression levels was never meant to say that is the only cause of depression. I am sure women in the UK in the 1500s killed themselves even if they just ate beans or meat and spent the day in the sun working in the fields but there definitely is a correlation. All the ridiculous advice you see on the internet to women to eat chocolate if they feel fed up is just about the worst advice they can be given as that makes mood worse (and ditto wine).

Yes of course just because depression rates rise at the time obesity and junk food does does not show a cause BUT there is loads of research about what makes seratonin and dopamine levels increase and beta endorphins and without doubt exercise, sunlight and the like have a bit impact which is why plenty of psychiatrists say have therapy, take the pills and also get outside and move. Of course if you are so depressed you cannot leave your bed room and if you get to the shops all you want is some food, sugar, alcohol briefly to stop the pain then yes the pills are life saving.

Anyway a bit off topic.

No real mumsnetter would write "us rotten lot". They have degrees to the "us" would make them wince.

MrsBungle Fri 12-Apr-13 09:38:39

30's
Degree and post grad
Scottish but live in the midlands
No Boden but dc's do
not a fan of hob jobs
Have twigs but no pebbly shit
No Prozac
Also love mn smile

complexnumber Fri 12-Apr-13 09:48:10

52, degree plus post-grad, thousands of miles from N. London, no pills. And I'm a bloke.

ScrambledSmegs Fri 12-Apr-13 09:50:36

Be wary of Shona, everyone. A blogger styling herself judgybitch is waging a one-blogger war of words against Ms Sibary. Nothing written on MN seems to have quite the vitriol of that blog!

Anyways, the blog alleges that SS, her DH and the DM has engaged in nefarious practices to obtain personal details and phone numbers of the blogger, and has threatened her obliquely shock hmm

I haven't linked to the blog because she uses a disablist word as an insult. But apart from that it's quite funny (in a vicious way), especially the piece about SS slapping her daughter.

Shagmundfreud Fri 12-Apr-13 10:04:54

46, live in London. Degree. Not depressed. At the moment.

I am a skinflint and like to shop at Lidl and Aldi, and buy my clothes in charity shops. Don't have to, but choose to because I like cheepy cheepy cheep cheep.

PetiteRaleuse Fri 12-Apr-13 10:11:08

That's interesting Smegs

mayihaveaboxofchoculaits Fri 12-Apr-13 10:13:10

50's, northern,degree,poor,never any pills (just a sound talking to every so often!).
I'm a nice person without a chip on her shoulder, that can't be tipical of mumsnet though, can it?

mayihaveaboxofchoculaits Fri 12-Apr-13 10:15:25

I don't think there is a tipical mumsnetter,but we can all help each other

DamselWithADulcimer Fri 12-Apr-13 10:19:00

I'm not sure why Justine is being so heftily congratulated on her email to the DM. It's - dare I say it - really not that big a deal whether it's 2500 or 3500 posts per day, is it? To my mind, it a slightly playgroundy ner-ner-ner-ner-ner response, and is more likely to reinforce MN's bad image than to do any good...

xxDebstarxx Fri 12-Apr-13 10:22:16

Juliet Shaw takes on Daily Mail lies. Absolutely shocking how she was treated but well done her for taking them on.

I am in my 30s, have a degree, don't live in London, do take ADs, don't eat biscuits (prefer crisps), finally get my tea hot now my kids are teens, no idea what Boden is.

Sparklingbrook Fri 12-Apr-13 10:22:23

Well it's a big deal that they are getting their facts wrong, and Justine wants to correct them Seems fair enough to me. If it was my business I would feel the same Damsel.

27 years old, in Scotland, one degree, plus postgrad and a PhD on the way. Oh, and I take Sertraline, not Prozac. And also take exception to SS's suggestion that taking AD's is to be lumped in with bitching and cliqueyness as a negative personality trait.

And I've been totally blown away by the kindness, support and good humour of so many MNers since I joined.

JonBonYoni Fri 12-Apr-13 10:26:21

But damsel, that's not the only point she was making. The fact that the DM then changed their online copy because of Justine's email to me suggest they know she was right that some of what they wrote was libellous and just down right inaccurate.

Add in to the fact that the DM has been gunning for Mumsnet for weeks, it all stinks of sour grapes from the DM.

They don't hate us enough to not try to canvass our opinions (see GP thread link), but they want to put us in our place as the "little women of the Internet. How dare we have opinions of things like politics, get back in the kitchen woman.......

30's - tick
Degrees - 2 + PGCE
Lives in London - tick
On Ad's - no I self medicate with chocolate
I don't iron unless paid in hob nobs

Xenia Fri 12-Apr-13 10:43:13

Credit where credit is due - if they corrected something which was inaccurate that is much better than some organisations do.

Sparklingbrook Fri 12-Apr-13 10:55:44

shock at 'credit' to the Daily Mail. But I was surprised they changed it Xenia.

Halfling Fri 12-Apr-13 11:09:32

30's, 2 degress, Berkshire. Prozac might help!

mrsjay Fri 12-Apr-13 11:10:41

4oish scottish woman no degree only been to London once does that count grin

ATJabberwocky Fri 12-Apr-13 11:12:24

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/femail/article-2307129/Amanda-Holden--Shona-Sibary-Why-I-hate-smug-bullies-Mumsnet.html

"I could just envisage this coven of poisonous women — huddled over their Hobnobs and steaming mugs of tea, dressed in ubiquitous Boden — each furiously typing ever more nasty and unpalatable drops of bile to pop into their bubbling cauldron."

meh DM vitriol

ATJabberwocky Fri 12-Apr-13 11:13:52

42, Sheffield, no Prozac just copious amounts of wine :P

BeyondIsBloodOfTheDragon Fri 12-Apr-13 11:44:38

Late twenties (when did that happen!)
Newport
1st year of degree, so not yet!
ADs but not prozac, and I've had them longer than the DSs. Plus they are good for my chronic pain.
And god, no no no to boden!
And as for ironing? Hahahahahaha!

Xenia Fri 12-Apr-13 11:53:43

I've read it now. Freelance writers like that need to be controversial to have their articles accepted. If she doesn't like the heat she should get out of the kitchen and obtain a different job. She is making a career, like Ms Brick, of being a kind of public punch and judy.

However the article remains inaccurate in suggesting most mumsnetters are housewives who are against working mothers. I have many times set out the case for how if more women did as I did ( 2 weeks off to have a baby and then back to full time work) their children and families and they would be a lot happier. It is not true that mumsnet just reflects the views of housewives.

eccentrica Fri 12-Apr-13 11:54:40

Yes 30s, London and have 3 degrees. No antidepressants and my daughter rocks smile

Shona Sibary (if it is her) is essentially a paid troll who writes articles such as "Why it's better to be ugly", "How I avoid having sex with my husband", "I think it's fine to drug my toddler on plane journeys", and other crass linkbait.

eccentrica Fri 12-Apr-13 11:56:37

Oh, and haven't read the article, but just seen references to 'ironing' and 'housewives' in previous posts. I split childcare/housework/job-work 50/50 with my partner. He earns slightly more (a slightly bigger pittance), I do slightly more interesting work. Neither of us does any ironing and in fact don't own one.

MrsMarigold Fri 12-Apr-13 12:07:14

OUCH! SAHM 36. Muswell Hill is five minutes away. Degree - Yes. Antidepressants, yes I've taken Prozac in the past, and am thinking of going back on it because of PND. I feel like a dinosaur because I was having children and not honing my social media means so I've got behind in my career. Hobnobs are a bit too sweet for me and Boden isn't for me, I prefer Jigsaw. I'm not smug at all, in fact I worry about what I'm going to say to my friends and husband, since I never get out or read anything decent these days.

I quite like Shona and am friends with a few DM journos.

MrsAbernethy Fri 12-Apr-13 12:10:18

Yes to 30s, no to London (I've only been twice and was thoroughly terrified due to my general country bumpkin-ness) 3 children, 2 degrees and I work part-time. I'm trying to give up my Daily Mail sidebar of shame habit blush I do like a bit of Boden though, but only in the sale. No ADs yet and I'm more of a cheese scone than chocolate hobnobs girl.

Tortington Fri 12-Apr-13 12:22:41

no to 30's sad, no to london, 1 degree, i haven't read the article as its in the daily mail and they are vile atrocious viscious and hateful. and i think that mumsnetters should boycott links that people post and say ' i am not clicking on the daily mail link, becuase they are cuntoxes.'

Tortington Fri 12-Apr-13 12:24:01

i feel it very pertinent to point out that i passed my grade 3 drumming exam...with merit last week. you might think i'm showing off, of course, i am.

Zara1984 Fri 12-Apr-13 12:26:49

Go Justine!! Great email.

I am not sure where I fit on the MN spectrum. Late 20s, don't live in London let alone the UK, three degrees, no pills but MN support over the past three years has probably saved me from them. Have one lovely baby DS. I love Ikea, Lidl and watching Geordie Shore when DS is in bed. grin

Hobnobs are the only biscuit I like, though!

Y y to Shona being essentially a paid troll.

Zara1984 Fri 12-Apr-13 12:27:56

Cuntoxes is a great word custardo

Tortington Fri 12-Apr-13 12:30:19

just seen a Justine pic on Ham & High - she's rocking the long hair, love it.

Tortington Fri 12-Apr-13 12:31:12

I think so too Zara

Xenia Fri 12-Apr-13 12:35:55

Cust, is that not a bit judging on looks? If J were 25 stone with black short hair or no hair would she be "rocking"?

If some people are saying the DM is "vile atrocious viscious [ sic] and hateful" surely that is as bad as DM criticising mumsnet?

{For the avoidance of doubt I have the Times and FT delivered every day. Real women/ mumsnetters read the Financial Times surely]

Zara1984 Fri 12-Apr-13 12:44:59

Agree, I luffs me the FT and the Economist too Xenia. But I am also tightfisted so 'twas a happy 8 months when both titles forgot my subscription had run out and I had full online access for free. Huzza!

herecomesthsun Fri 12-Apr-13 12:47:01

49 this month. 16 letters after my name (3 degrees plus post grad qualifications - most of which were obtained in London). Just had second baby. LOVE being a mum. Live in the countryside surrounded by mud and trees. Have prescribed prozac for other people, never had antidepressants prescribed for me!

"dressed in ubiquitous Boden" is quite funny I think grin

We're not ubiquitous in anything, surely 5 mins on Mumsnet would show you that !
Yes I got the catalogue and liked some of the skirts and dresses for girls, but both mine mainly wear things passed on from cousins and friends - more environmentally friendly that way anyhow !

Tortington Fri 12-Apr-13 13:02:11

Complimenting Xenia.

Xenia are you implying that someone who is 25 stone and bald can't rock?

Tortington Fri 12-Apr-13 13:06:53

Lucas rocks the funny

perhaps its the common slang you are having trouble with?

Xenia - you rock the right wing my true blue friend

GibberTheMonkey Fri 12-Apr-13 13:11:57

I'm a fake woman
<fake sigh>

clam Fri 12-Apr-13 13:16:12

49 (sob),
Home Counties,
one degree,
no ADs (unless alcohol counts?).
However, I do have one top from Boden saw it advertised on here,
but as it's shrunk in the wash I'm not counting it.

Tortington Fri 12-Apr-13 13:18:19

read women read the FT online AND have an e-mail subscription <http://ct.fra.bz/ol/fz/sw/i60/5/10/10/frabz-Oh-snap-She-juss-went-there-25dd69.jpg she went there SNAP!]]
ps check out my hover message

Tortington Fri 12-Apr-13 13:19:00
smugmumofboys Fri 12-Apr-13 13:23:39

44
Used to live in London, now in NW
Degree

Zara1984 Fri 12-Apr-13 13:41:00

grin Custardo

Cheeky unpaid-for subscriptions count too, right....?!

DS wears some Boden... it's all hand-me-down though. I think he actually dislikes the MC association because those tops are always the ones he vomits all over... hmmmm

Tortington Fri 12-Apr-13 13:50:58

may i venture that hand-me down- boden is true MC where as new boden reaks of new MC money wink

i got a boden skirt from a chairty shop and wet myself all the way home thinking of mumsnet

I'm not in my 30's
I don't live in London (though I used to, pre MN)
I have a degree and am studying for an MSc

In the past have refused anti-d's in favour of counselling.

I have never worn Boden in my life. My clothes come from H&M, New Look, and charity shops. Occasionally Debenhams. M&S for undercrackers.

I don't like Lidl. I do like Ikea. I can take or leave hobnobs.

Matilda74 Fri 12-Apr-13 14:04:03

38 in the south west and a housewife was a nurse and i love boden especially the scary prints grin)))

Mynewmoniker Fri 12-Apr-13 14:04:25

Bonzo77 - You know what? MN at the moment has its quota of judgemental, opinionated, prejudiced members who are quick to slag off others. Maybe Shona should look around properly, she'd find she'd like it after all.

You pinched the words right outta my mouth Bonzo.

Not fitting her desciption at all...except being opinionated and judgmental.

One finger pointing forward and three pointing back for her!

Hmm I meet two out or the three criteria.

I'm in my thirties and I have a degree but live in North Wales. Do take pills though.

fromparistoberlin Fri 12-Apr-13 14:16:57

sheesh, am I the only 30 something Londoner!!!!

need link please

sieglinde Fri 12-Apr-13 14:17:45

50s, Oxfordshire village, three degrees. So none grin

DwellsUndertheSink Fri 12-Apr-13 14:20:36

nearly 50, home counties, 2 degrees, no ADs ever.

cowmop Fri 12-Apr-13 14:21:03

Well, I'm 31 but don't fit any of the other categories and am currently wearing Primarni's finest not Boden. I do like a good brew and a hob nob and am also partial to a bit of judginess (but only as part of my constant internal monologue!)

I'm 22 and I live in Scotland, I don't have a degree. ADs but it's not because of my DS! grin

Nope. 27, living 2 hours from London and dropped out of uni.

SilveryMoon Fri 12-Apr-13 14:34:12

I've always wondered what a stereotypical Mner was.
I'm in my 30's.
I live in outer-London.
I don't have a degree.
I'm not on Prozac now, came off them last year after popping them for 3 years.
I don't have a shite life. 'tis bareable wink

Now off to read the whole thread to see if I can find out who Mners are

LittleEdie Fri 12-Apr-13 14:57:44

42

South West

Degree

fromparistoberlin Fri 12-Apr-13 15:08:24

I think the London MC bit is a red herring

I find it very interesting that NOONE seems to want to admit there are some nasty bitchy posters on here, and frankly even in the past 3 days some interactions on here (three to be precise) have made me wince

all in AIBU, or relationships

FACT some people when behind a keyboard are maybe naster than they are in RL

FACT people often jump on a bandwaggon, esp if its a MN friendly topic

FACT is someone is universally reviled (Liz Jones) people make some vile comments

FACT, and if you say MN is not predominatly MC...read any thread on baby ear piercing

I even posted once that I dont like how MN makes me be, and have really tried to moderate myself thereone

I really like MN, but I get frustrated how noone will take ownership for the fact its not perfect, and bullying does go on

warts and all

lightsandshapes Fri 12-Apr-13 15:44:02

30s yes, degrees, a couple, live in Wales though and no need for Prozac here though I self medicate with cake and caffeine daily brew

a) can we spell B.A.N.D.W.A.G.O.N.?

b) I am NOT a fucking yummy mummy. I am a yoghurt knitting lentil weaver. So there.

c) Isn't it interesting the way 'feminist' is included in a list of apparently negative characteristics? If fminism is such anathema to her perhaps she can toddle off back to the kitchen to make her husband's tea and save us all from having to read ignore such self-seeking drivel.

Tortington Fri 12-Apr-13 15:45:46

yes paris, you are right,

there are some right royal fuckers on here too

there are some of the funniest

saddest

happy

sad
lonley

wonderful

tory bastards

see my drift?

the media - for whatever reason, has seen fit recently to have a go at mumsnet, so i think mumsent is just having a bit of a de-brief, a 'self evaluation'

looking at the comments in some of the shitty papers

deciding that actually, to say that mn is full of londoners - is bollocks

and to say that we are all abunch of nasty bitches

is also in isolation, bollocks

this all has to be taken as a whole instead of on its own.

there are people that have helped others through bereavements - in fact mn helped me when i found my mum dead

they knit, bake sew for others, mumsnet buys xmas pressies for those who could do with cheering up - those who have had a shit year - and those who can't afford it.

mumsent is not MC Vipers

mumsnet does have some VIpers ( educated, MC or otherwise)

but thats not the whole story

plantsitter Fri 12-Apr-13 15:56:19

Crap. It's me. <stirs an extra prozac in tea, sadly>

vitaminC Fri 12-Apr-13 16:00:50

I'm not in London, although I do live in a big city, just not in the UK
In my 30s for a few more weeks
Not a SAHM (I did end up on ADs the one time I tried that!)
Currently a full-time student (and this is my 3rd degree!)
MC, but no Boden
And most importantly: no biscuits for me. Yuck! Give me savoury food any day, over sickly sweet things such as biscuits, cakes and the like!

scottishmummy Fri 12-Apr-13 16:36:27

It was an obvious and provocative dm piece.and yes some mn are like that,and some aren't
I dont go for all this navel gazing how very dare media discuss mn.too touchy
Posters on Mn sterotype and make gross misrepresentations too. Mn isn't representative of real life. It's a snap shot opinion of whomever is online at that time

neriberi Fri 12-Apr-13 16:57:40

38
Home Counties
1 degree

DeepRedBetty Fri 12-Apr-13 17:36:31

Waggon is the correct form in English for a wooden thing with wheels pulled by horses or oxen. However it has been largely superseded by the French spelling, wagon.

<potters back to Pedant's Corner>

Forty something, rural Wiltshire, one degree. The only Boden we've ever had in the house was from a jumble sale, and Dark Chocolate Digestives are much nicer than Hobnobs.

PiratePanda Fri 12-Apr-13 17:39:38

39
Not London, but job in London
4 degrees and a fellowship of a royal society...

PiratePanda Fri 12-Apr-13 17:40:53

(Oh, and I work full time but am stuck living in the world's smallest house due to the financial crisis. Definitely not on ADs.)

cardamomginger Fri 12-Apr-13 17:48:50

40s. Currently live in London (Hertfordshire then Surrey as a child - the grimmer bits though).
Two degrees and working on my third.
Not popping pills.

cardamomginger Fri 12-Apr-13 17:49:17

Oh and considering a move to Hull wink.

caci Fri 12-Apr-13 17:57:41

I wondered what this was about...

I'll never forgive you,
YOU MADE ME READ DAILY MAIL ONLINE!

I fit the bill btw but not a regular MN follower either.

I'll go and try to forget the whole thing.

Pliudev Fri 12-Apr-13 18:18:45

Am I the oldest here? 62. But I'm still a mum so that's ok. What's wrong with Boden? A couple of degrees, prefer Lidl's jaffa cakes, live in Cornwall.

GettingGoing Fri 12-Apr-13 18:27:01

40s, not London (but was), yes to degree. No prozac, not depressed, kids yes, but not shit life.

'Oh and considering a move to Hull' grin

Longfufu Fri 12-Apr-13 18:58:38

32
Yes I have a degree
Lived in London for all my 20's
Moved to commuter belt and started a family.
No Prozac.....I like wine when I'm not preggers!

Morebiscuitsplease Fri 12-Apr-13 19:06:19

How ridiculous! Mumnet is diverse, is you read any threads you would realise that. For the record 40+ degree and post grad. Has children and works part time. Lives in SW so does not fit her profile. Has had antidepressants but would rather have had them than not.smile))

girliefriend Fri 12-Apr-13 19:26:48

I am in my 30s, but live in the south west and haven't tried prozac yet
have nearly got a degree...

grin

In my 20's, live in Scotland and don't have a degree (I've got a HND...couldn't be arsed to do another year to make it a degree).

Armi Fri 12-Apr-13 19:53:36

38. East Midlands. Degree and post-graduate qualification, which means I am capable of spotting badly written, self-indulgent journalism.

Oh, and Shona, I'm not an 'aggressive housewife', I'm a passive-aggressive, full time WOHM who eats Waitrose biscotti, not Hobnobs and the only pills I take are vitamin supplements to further enhance my glossy-coated loveliness.

HTH.

getthegirladrink Fri 12-Apr-13 19:58:37

I bloody love hobnobs smile biscuit

Newrowsees Fri 12-Apr-13 20:02:41

Uh oh. I'm in my early thirties, have a couple of degrees and live in north London (8 mins from Muswell Hill, according to the sat nav).

But I just don't get the whole Boden thing - I've never even heard anyone even mention it in real life. I also don't ever iron, have never taken Prozac, and have never been 'militant' about anything in my life!

LadyBeagleEyes Fri 12-Apr-13 20:05:32

I never liked hobnobs myself, I prefer a nice chocolate digestive.
What's that say about me?

UptoapointLordCopper Fri 12-Apr-13 20:11:46

London (not a "nice" part though), over 40, degrees, not popping pills, not shit life. smile

What's all that about hobnobs? I like rich tea biscuits. For dunking. In tea. In fact I'm just going to go and make myself a cup of tea now to dunk my rich tea biscuits in. Or is that "in which to dunk my biscuit"? confused

I like Boden short skirts. They actually fit.

Some people are nice on MN, some people are not. Like RL. Deal with it.

TiggyD Fri 12-Apr-13 20:20:19

Late 30s chap with college qualification. Don't take Prozac. High on life and 20 a day cocaine habit.

Lifeisontheup Fri 12-Apr-13 20:21:11

Nearly 50 with teenaged children, doing a degree now, not on any antidepressants, don't really like biscuits unless they're stem ginger ones.

prettybird Fri 12-Apr-13 20:31:41

Not London Scotland (Glasgow)

Not in 30s In my 50s

Do have a degree

Since they stopped doing the plain chocolate coated ones I don't eat hobnobs

Don't take Prozac although I have in the past taken anti-depressants

I am happy to have a ds said anti-depressants were a combination of stress at work and MMCs

I do own and wear some Boden things blushwink

I will admit to ironing things but not underwear grin

NB: Have not read the original article as am trying to avoid the DM

Early thirties, expensively edumacated, HobNob lover.

Not in that London though. And couldn't afford Boden even if I were thin tall enough to wear it.

TiggyD Fri 12-Apr-13 20:38:52

Just read her article. She said IMHO is a Mumsnet acronym. It's not. It's been around years on every forum. She's either new to computers or she's lying deliberately misunderstanding things to have a pop.

"Here they can pour forth their wisdom on icing cupcakes and providing the perfect party bag while berating mere mortals..."

Um...seems she doesn't really know us at all. Mumsnetters seem to believe party bags are ridiculous nowadays and should really contain some cake and a plastic thing that costs less than a pound, and cupcakes are merely slutty fairy cakes that cost HOW MUCH!?!?

Pay her no mind.

MadBusLady Fri 12-Apr-13 20:42:13

Wow. That is properly ignorant.

MadBusLady Fri 12-Apr-13 20:43:36

Re the "IMHO" I mean. How could you think... No, I can't even process that.

littletingoddess Fri 12-Apr-13 20:57:11

I'm 29, live in the southeast, have one DC and two degrees. I stay at home during the week and work part-time at the weekend. I've never taken anti-depressants. I haven't even had a boozy drink since before I got pregnant, and that seems like aeons ago. shock

K8Middleton Fri 12-Apr-13 21:24:43

30s, degree, London - yep

On Prozac? Not yet.

Hate my children? No. Although sometimes they drive me up the wall and I object to how my life has been dictated by motherhood when my dh's life has not been impacted in the same way.

Oh and love snarky response from Justine! V good.

gomummygoes Fri 12-Apr-13 21:26:44

Yes - 30's
Yes - Degree++
But...
I'm in Canada.
No anti-D's and love my life now as a mum.
Never heard of Boden except on MN and I have no idea what a hobnob is but sounds like they're tasty. grin

nannyl Fri 12-Apr-13 22:14:28

In my 30's
Have a degree
do NOT live in London, or even close

am a SAHM

I started life here living closer to London than i do now, in my 20's, with degree, working, but not a mummy! Only been a mummy for 18m

LackaDAISYcal Fri 12-Apr-13 22:15:00

In my 40s now, but 30s when I signed up

Degree, but now working a minimum wage job

AD's...tick

Maggie111 Fri 12-Apr-13 22:16:17

20s, North West, no degree.

ohtobecleo Fri 12-Apr-13 22:17:47

Single parent
No degree
No Prozac
Live in London
Don't like hobnobs
Wtf is Boden?

Redeeming feature?

I don't read the Daily Mail.

Oh, and I think the strike-through is quite effective

LackaDAISYcal Fri 12-Apr-13 22:18:47

oooops, posted too soon.

I live in the "grim up north", but I'm Scottish

Do I hate my kids? Now, after two weeks of miserable weather easter holidays...probably. Usually, No, I luffs them I do!

Hobnobs? Not likely as I have coeliac disease and am gluten free!

I do have a Boden coat (which is just finishing it's fifth winter, so well worth the money it cost me in the sale)

So, maybe half a stereotype?

MummyBurrows Fri 12-Apr-13 23:04:06

25,married,1 daughter and baby on the way and i love them both more than anything in the world,Essex coast,no degree,no pills.....also nothing like the cast of towie, I don't like hobnobs and I shop in high street stores,wouldn't even know where to find Boden but it sounds expensive so probably explains why I've never heard of it and there isn't one in my town centre lol! Think this daily mail toff is off her rocker and has no idea what the heck she's talking about!xx

Estherbelle Sat 13-Apr-13 00:59:11

I'm in my thirties and have a degree, but don't tick any more of Shona's boxes...oh, and my degree is in journalism - how she actually manages to get paid to write such twaddle I would love to know, because there are far more talented writers out there!

grohlgirl Sat 13-Apr-13 01:14:41

50s - one man child!!
Warwickshire
No degree
Don't like hobnobs - chocolate fingers
Boden - only if I find in Oxfamwink

Greydog Sat 13-Apr-13 03:00:38

50s - Cheshire - no degree. Can take or leave Hobnobs, but do like a nice jammie dodger! I thought Boden was the make of my cafetiere, but that's Bodum. Silly me!

jynier Sat 13-Apr-13 04:10:32

Just read the article in DM; made me laugh!!! I'm a pensioner and grandmother - love MN (not so keen on Gransnet!).

mathanxiety Sat 13-Apr-13 04:16:21

Not London.
Yes degree. Never wear Boden anything. I do have a Bodum in the kitchen but I drink tea.
Irish, no pills and no hobnobs. There is nothing wrong with pills (or hobnobs). Good things both.
Will never see 40 again let alone 30.
Single mother to 5. Love them dearly.
Never iron except at Christmas and Easter if called for, and do not have anything organic in the kitchen or in anyone's lunchbox.

A Londoner that irons.

Ticks no other boxes.

So kick me off, I dare ya <brandishes iron at DM journos>

hellhasnofurylikeahungrywoman Sat 13-Apr-13 07:00:58

Almost 50 in the east of the country, no degree and no pills.

Makinglists Sat 13-Apr-13 07:38:36

40s,degree,southwest city dweller, vegetarian,hippy type

fuzzypicklehead Sat 13-Apr-13 07:40:51

Re: the linked thread and various other SS quotes-- shock

I had never heard of her. My goodness, how objectionable!

30's yes.
Degree, yes.
No london
No boden
No iron
No twigs or pebbly shit save what DD2 drags in from the garden
Hell yes, Hobnobs. All hail the oatiest biscuit of them all!

PhylisStein Sat 13-Apr-13 08:23:40

40 - two degrees - rural Gloucestershire - I haven't been depressed and on Prozac for years now, not since I found a good man, gave up on my stressful sparkling career to have kids grin

Yonirubbishnamesleft Sat 13-Apr-13 09:01:40

I am in my 30s, living in London and have a degree!!!

But I am not on Prozac (do I need to get some? Will I be banned for not popping Prozac?)

I love that there are so many bright and sassy women here with something to say. I can be militant when my heckles are up .... over something like the formula milk marketing practices in the developing world, where Mumsnet were recently asked by Save the Children to get behind a campaign which could save the lives of 830,000 babies around the world every year - that's almost a million, and a similar scale of tragedy to those dying from malaria, who could also be helped through the distribution and use of mosquito nets.

Oh it's hackles BTW blush
And it's from the feathers on the back of a bird's neck - don't say you don't learn something new here every day !

Beverley91 Sat 13-Apr-13 09:14:22

23 from Wigan.. No degree but highly qualified in my job. No kids as yet!

shockers Sat 13-Apr-13 10:10:29

47 and from the NW. I don't have a degree and I'm not on anti-depressants (although I do have a vit B &D habit). I don't like biscuits, so I've never eaten a Hobnob, but I do own a couple of Boden blouses, purchased in the sale. Nothing on here has ever made me feel suicidal, in fact I've witnessed immense support for those going through hard times. I have had support from other adopters, great holiday recommendations, advice on what to wear for posh 'dos', plus lots of belly laughs.

Am I allowed to stay?

theodorakisses Sat 13-Apr-13 10:40:35

I fairness, using her appearance to bully her is pretty vile. If one of you lot was sat on a bus and someone came up and said, hey wonky eyes, you're ugly, there would be an outcry. Ok so she isn't very nice but, sometimes you lot can be pretty vile as well.

MissFredi Sat 13-Apr-13 11:17:30

21, East Midlands, no children yet, not recently had any ADs, and my wardrobe is full of new look rather than boden as in our town it's a lot easier to navigate the cheap and cheerful shops. Oh and I can only afford the Morrisons-own version of hobknobs, but can confirm they are equally nice. But I'd prefer a bourbon.

BadMissM Sat 13-Apr-13 13:00:20

45, stupidly large amount of degrees/qualifications, originally from London, but have spent most of my life in the third world the North of England and France. Currently in the grim North. No antidepressants, a nice packet of fags and a gin and tonic will do me fine...

Though not at the moment, currently pregnant with 2nd DC, mother to one 14 year old and stepmother to three others...in three reconstructed families...

Wardrobe more likely to be full of Raven and Cyberdog than Boden as am a bit of a goth... (stick that in your stereotypes...). More likely to buy a corset than a designer handbag...

Shop at Aldi because I'm poor. Sod the Hobnobs, their Belgian Choc Truffles are to die for!

What is this 'iron' of which you speak? Possess a Bodum but prefer a nice cup of tea... Very reluctant domestic goddess.(Will react to gin and bribery)

Going through a lot of difficult life-events in the last few years. Have found Mumsnet amazingly supportive, with good advice, great chat, love, support and genuine caring. Have never been remotely tempted to suicide, but to creativity and companionship.

That woman really knows how to attempt to pigeonhole people....

JulesJules Sat 13-Apr-13 13:00:22

Not in my 30s

Don't live in London

Not on ADs

Don't eat biscuits

Do have a degree

prettybird Sat 13-Apr-13 13:14:54

theodorakisses - I think saying "you lot" is a bit of a generalisation and an unfair criticism.

Lots of people have posted on this thread.

Most have said nothing directly about the journalist but have described themselves in order to illustrate how wrong she is in her preconceptions.

Some have criticised her journalistic skills - justified I would suggest, given the evidence here - but I can't properly comment as I haven't read the original article.

A very few have criticised her appearance. Those people should be called on it, because you're right, it's not acceptable. But you can't say you lot 'co it's not true.

I for one don't have a clue what the woman looks like and wouldn't dream of commenting on it even if I did know.

TiggyD Sat 13-Apr-13 13:18:33

If she thinks all Mumsnetters look the same and dress in a certain Bodenesque way, isn't attacking us a hate crime according to the recent legislation? smile

AmberSocks Sat 13-Apr-13 13:18:34

have to say the kind of mother that mumsnet conjures up for me is more mid to late fifties and lower middle class, definitely not 30 yr old yummy mummies lol

AmberSocks Sat 13-Apr-13 13:18:52

mid to late 40s not fifties sorry.

BadMissM Sat 13-Apr-13 13:22:05

....and I did go and find the original article on the Daily Mail website before commenting.... where I found a whole list of vitriolic and unjustified anti-Mumsnet articles, twenty or thirty, all classifying Mumsnetters as comfortable, middle class, moaners....surely rather more like Daily Mail readers than actual Mumsnetters?

www.dailymail.co.uk/home/search.html?sel=site&searchPhrase=mumsnet

theodorakisses Sat 13-Apr-13 13:26:57

mumsnet is only a internet forum, I don't know why people get so wound up about it. The Mail doesn't really hate you, they couldn't care less, they are a business and those stories sell newspapers. It doesn't really matter. I quite like MN but I can't say I really give a shit if someone insults it, it's a bunch of plastic and electricity, not a human for god's sake. If someone insults my dog then I may think they are a twat and avoid them. if some random multimillion dollar business adopts a stance to make more money, who actually gives a shit? The only thing I would say is that if the journalists are lurking or inciting situations then it isn't fair, people generally post in good faith (but not always good humour)

theodorakisses Sat 13-Apr-13 13:28:20

But to add, there are certain people on here that, if individually attacked, i would defend to the ends of the earth. (remember the Hully campaign?) wink

ivykaty44 Sat 13-Apr-13 13:57:04

That was the idea Badmissm - that mners would go and take a look at the article on DM site - they want their hits to increase and that is one way of doing so by writing a negative article about a website forum then the member will go and look at said article - especially if it is a very large internet forum

fussychica Sat 13-Apr-13 15:04:21

Mid 50s, born in London but live in South West (UK not London), never worn anything by Boden in my life. No pills, no Hobnobs.

Adult DS so I don't slap my child in Boots & as he's over 6' I dare Shona to trygrin

I'm the epitome of Mumsnetters apparently, late thirties, middle class, living in Oxford with two children. No pills, no child slapping but a lot of jolly encouragement and diplomatic refusal of Jehovahs and neighbour watch folk. grin

MixedBerries Sat 13-Apr-13 15:45:44

34
Wales
Degree
Boden? Good God, no- charity shops and ebay.
Prozac? Yes. But not because of a shit life with kids. It's because I have an illness. And Xenia, I wish it were that simple.

GlitteryShitandDanglyBaubles Sat 13-Apr-13 16:01:57

36, live in West Yorkshire, I have a Level 3 in Holistic Therapies, and take copious amounts of prozac for reasons unrelated to my lovely dd.

I have no family / friends support, mumsnet has been my lifeline. I've received (and hopefully given) fantastic support on the mental health board, dysfunctional families / Stately Homes threads, I've wet through my tena lady ultra laughing at pictures of Terry Wogan's cock, hunted for the poo troll, the shitty pouffe, and many more.

I've receieved Xmas pressies for my dd from complete strangers, and once a mumsnetter posted me a Carmen Electra exercise dvd! I have also helped out where and when I could.

Boden looks like cheap shite. I have tattoos and piercings, I have an odd wardrobe full of Cyberdog and Next stuff... People can get a very skewed impression of mumsnetters (southern, middle class) but I think there is a really, really wide spectrum of people on here.

The one thing we all have in common is that we are witty and sparkling and fabulous. smile

screweduppotatoe Sat 13-Apr-13 16:04:14

30's
2 degrees (almost)
Citalopram
Gtr Manchester

marriedinwhiteagain Sat 13-Apr-13 16:04:48

50s
No degree but then I did prof quals and got an MBA
Live in London
Work full-time
Never taken prozac

but I do like Boden (some of it) and Per Una (some of it)

Someone needs to put all this informaton into excel and send a pivot chart to Shona. grin

Footle Sat 13-Apr-13 16:25:50

65 ,up North, one degree. No anti-depressants or Hobnobs or hitting. 4 children, 6 grandchildren. Clothes : charity shops , sales and eBay. Cheap shite I suppose. Haven't read the DM article because, well, it's in the DM isn't it ?

ProphetOfDoom Sat 13-Apr-13 16:54:33

Message withdrawn at poster's request.

JaxTellerIsAllMine Sat 13-Apr-13 17:31:00

Holy shit! Ive just read the article.

oh dear. Lazy Journo, the article is contradictory in itself.

But at least DM 'corrected their errors'
watevvva.

Fairylea Sat 13-Apr-13 17:37:31

32

Norfolk but used to be London

No degree as turned down 6 places including ucl and kings college in order to stay home and look after my gran who was terminally ill with bowel cancer at the same time. I then had dd and never went back to studying.

Boden from eBay does that count ? smile

Guitargirl Sat 13-Apr-13 17:46:33

Have just read Shona's article. She's quite miffed isn't she?

I don't wear Boden, drink tea or eat Hobnobs. Am not a housewife. I don't iron. I don't take ADs.

By the way that dress she is wearing in the photo of her with her daughter sitting on the sofa is rather Bodenesque looking for someone who reckons all the rest of us wear nothing else but Boden.

I do live in London, am in my 30s and have three degrees (two of them postgraduate).

Footle Sat 13-Apr-13 18:10:27

Oh and I hate tea.

mathanxiety Sat 13-Apr-13 18:13:09

If she thinks all Mumsnetters look the same and dress in a certain Bodenesque way...

For someone who objects to others focusing on her appearance she has clearly not taken the high road herself.

<yyy to Aldi Belgian chocs>

ijustwanttobeme Sat 13-Apr-13 18:49:00

I don't fit the stereotype either:

age: 46
no degree- just about scraped some O Levels grin
no Boden - wouldn't suit me, as am 5' and a bit of an odd shape ...
no ADs - although GP did prescribe them once, but never got them
live in Surrey - but only in chav town of Sutton, not naice part like Guildford etc
not really a fan of hob nobs -chocolate digestive is more my thing
I do iron though, but only cos it's the only household chore I don't mind doing

PetiteRaleuse Sat 13-Apr-13 18:51:33

She's not miffed. She is just writing what the Fail want her to write. They are miffed.

lemonmuffin Sat 13-Apr-13 18:58:24

I can kind of see her point. If you read the quotes she's mentioned, there's some pretty vile stuff being said about her there. No wonder she's pissed off.

Yes I'm looking at you Abs

Yonionekanobe Sat 13-Apr-13 19:12:12

30s, London, shop at Waitrose to top up delivery from Riverford, Labour voter, Guardian reader, two degrees and a professional qualification.

But no pills, no Boden and no Hobnobs.

I'd never heard of this woman before this thread...

inadreamworld Sat 13-Apr-13 19:45:38

Am in 30s, was living in London until very recently and would like to move back there one day soon and I do have a degree!!! Not on any dodgy pills though

inadreamworld Sat 13-Apr-13 19:46:12

And definitely no money for designer clothes

reastie Sat 13-Apr-13 19:56:59

angry to the comments. Clearly made by someone who hasn't actually looked much at mn and has misinformed opinions.

Having said that. I'm 30's, live just outside zone 6 of London, have a degree and am on anti anxiety meds and have taken prozac in the past confused

missorinoco Sat 13-Apr-13 20:05:43

Xenia, do you not think the Times is dummed down compared with several years ago though. I ditched it in a huff when the News Review had an article on Helen Mirren and how great she looked at fifty on the front page. Yes, she looked great, but angry there's so much more to her and women than that.

In answer to the OP, I also don't fit the MN stereotype. I refuse to hit on a DM link to see exactly what that is meant to be, but from the posts above, er, no.

ivehadaverybadday Sat 13-Apr-13 20:14:49

In my 30's, live in London, two degrees and am on AD's. Bingo grin! I also read the Guardian, did BLW and am an extended breastfeeder. Stick that in your pipe and smoke it DM journalist.

ivehadaverybadday Sat 13-Apr-13 20:16:11

Ooooh but I don't wear Boden (not my style at all). I also don't shop at Waitrose, but only because there isn't one close to my house. I would if I could..

Yes I've noticed a change with The Times in recent years - certainly compared to the more independent newspaper I grew up with pre 1981 (Rupert Murdoch take-over)
I think you have to look to The Independent or The Guardian, or indeed the FT, for more independent & thoughtful discussion.
Though personally I prefer getting my news from programmes like Newsnight - very good last night with 3 women economists discussing with Kirsty Walsh, and a look at sexual violence during conflict.

The times used to be brilliant.

used to be. I cancelled my subscription.

louisianablue2000 Sat 13-Apr-13 20:27:54

No tea drinking, hobnob eating, london living 30something here. Hey, I'm old enough to remember watching Thirtysomething. 2 degrees and lots of Boden though (it's what passes for chic up north). Judgmental? Oh yes, especially about people who smack their children and write articles about how great it is it in the Daily Mail.

AlfalfaMum Sat 13-Apr-13 20:47:16

I am in my 30's, that's my only qualification for this stereotype. I mostly love my life with kids.
In what kind of mind are any of those bad things? I'd love to live in London again, I'd love to have a degree, and I don't see any shame in trying to get better if you're depressed.

30s, East Midlands, 2 degrees, 1 DC, WOHM. No hobnobs, but I do wear Boden (sourced mainly from eBay), and I'd never heard of Boden until I starteded lurking on MN!

And there really isn't an amorphous mass that is mumsnet. The threads are incredibly diverse and I have met with much sympathy, empathy and kindness, and made some real friends. I tend to keep away from AIBU though, cos that's where the real nastiness can surface and I'm hard enough.

DamselWithADulcimer Sat 13-Apr-13 21:02:33

What's the big thing about Hobnobs? This is why MN is so annoying.

kotinka Sat 13-Apr-13 21:16:47

What's the big thing about Hobnobs? This is why MN is so annoying.

I believe it relates to a quote from your mate's article "huddled over their Hobnobs and steaming mugs of tea"

notsoyoniface Sat 13-Apr-13 21:24:37

The only thing that applies to me is taking anti depressants, but that is because I suffer from mental illness. I have found great solace on the mh boards especially when I hit rock bottom.

Other than that, I am 27, live in the South East not London , no kids, no degree i'm working on it

Not that I feel as though I need to justify myself and why I am here to a talent less hack.

DamselWithADulcimer Sat 13-Apr-13 21:38:39

Ah. Ok. I think that what gets me is that people are actually feeling that they have to justify themselves on here as a result of a silly article. 'Oh, no, I don't really eat Hobnobs, we're all different on MN, honestly...'

kotinka Sat 13-Apr-13 21:45:35

DamselWithADulcimer yes, people are trying to demonstrate that there isn't a one size fits all member of this forum. Sibary's article was full of such sweeping generalisations that many want to say "hang on, don't label me, you don't know me".

Why should that irritate you?

thornrose Sat 13-Apr-13 21:47:25

Do you really believe we are taking the Hobnobs comment seriously?

DamselWithADulcimer Sat 13-Apr-13 21:47:25

I think it irritates me because it's so obvious that MN isn't one size fits all (though I personally think it's full of annoying lefties), and people are falling into the DM trap of 'let's get a response out of them'...

Weirdly, because I defected here from elsewhere, I find MN very right-wing. If you want lefties, you need to look at other parenting forums <cough> Babycentre <cough>

kotinka Sat 13-Apr-13 22:05:13

and people are falling into the DM trap of 'let's get a response out of them'...

you have a point there!

AmberSocks Sat 13-Apr-13 22:30:09

horry i agree,and from what ive heard everyone thinks its right wing daily mail readers on mumsnet,the left wing thing was news to me.

AmberSocks Sat 13-Apr-13 22:30:40

real left wig is mothering.com!

GoldenHares Sat 13-Apr-13 22:30:56

Past 30's
Living in London
No prosac.
Content.
Been on the receiving end of some great advice, laughs and support through MN

Willdoitinaminute Sat 13-Apr-13 22:58:56

40+ long way from London but I do have a degree. Bit of a lurker but love some of the intelligent 'discussions' and entertained by the rest.

ellajayne Sat 13-Apr-13 23:09:31

Not me.

In my 20's.
Not in London.
No Prozac.
No degree.

42. London. Degree & postgrad. WOHM. No hobnobs or Boden, but lots of lovely pills grin

I think people (this journalist, Amanda Holden, whoever else, I don't really keep track) who slag off Mumsnet don't really understand it because they have not spent enough time exploring it and getting to know it. I think there's something here for almost everyone. And I think almost evyone can learn something from it.

What has struck me is how diverse we all are. I really wonder what holds us all together?

I think the main thing we all have in common is that we are all strong, smart women (and men) with good senses of humour, who like debate and provide mutual support when needed. Obv there are exceptions to the rule, but this is the closest I have been able to come to figuring out the "pulse" of a MNer....

<<poss have too much time on my hands. Thank goodness Easter hols are almost over>>

ticklycough Sun 14-Apr-13 12:52:22

Amazing how many people like to show off on this thread...
who cares how many degrees you have or where you live?
Daily Mail has a lot to answer for and Shona's article is actually quite a vindictive and accusatory piece of writing. But by doing it she's just proved she can be as judgemental and self righteous as some posters on here!
Women meh....I can see why men moan about us sometimes...

K8Middleton Sun 14-Apr-13 12:55:16

What a stupid post ticklycough. I'm not sure why you bothered.

Theicingontop Sun 14-Apr-13 12:56:37

They were mentioning their degrees in response to the article, Ticklycough. They weren't pulling random facts about themselves out of their arses.

Well, I for one wasn't showing off. smile

I said I have a degree. Technically, I have three (one honorary and two real), and I'm doing the fourth.

Now I'm showing off.

See how different it looks?

And get your knee-jerk sexism right, please - men don't moan, they are too busy being inarticulate and manly while playing with power tools and not having emotions.

HTH.

Xenia Sun 14-Apr-13 13:00:47

I have not shown off on the thread.... [I did not mention the private island I own in the Pacific or my educational qualifications or even the nicest thing to show off about the lovely large family combined with working full time - if you want showing off I am sure people can do it but it is not really in the nature of the English to do so - we self deprecate]. I don't think saying you have a degree is showing off (all kinds of people get degrees these days) and giving age and where you live is not exactly showing off.

What most of us are not is sexist (I hope) and plenty of us are feminist and want to drive sexism and sexist comments off the planet.

Nicely done.

My diamond shoes are too tight, as well.

ticklycough Sun 14-Apr-13 13:04:15

Blimey...sorry I only have the one degree so maybe my opinion isn't worthy enough for me to post?

I guess you're uptight about the issue because it's touched a nerve perhaps?

Anyways, LRD feminist dragon (what does LRD stand for by the way?) that's quite a sweeping generalisation about men you've just made.
Knee-jerk sexism you say? Erm I don't think so, just an observation :-)

Lucyellensmum95 Sun 14-Apr-13 13:07:15

LRD - you have an honorary degree?? Wow - are you, like, famous? apart from being the mnet wise owl of course? I'm very impressed.

Xenia what i want to know is when we, as long term mnetters, are going to get an invite to this island grin

<headdesk>

Yes, my post about men was totally my opinion, for reals, what with the heavily signposted sarcasm in there.

Nobody gives a flying fuck whether you've got a degree or nine, or an island, or a cottage in the woods with Jon Snow's hunky big brother waiting to rub your feet and sing you love songs.

This thread is just someone being curious whether we fit the stereotype that someone has of MN. And it seems we pretty much don't.

LEM - nope, not remotely famous, and in this context 'honorary' means 'crap'. You get it for graduating and not going to prison for the following four years.

Lucyellensmum95 Sun 14-Apr-13 13:09:24

oh and LRD if you are an academic, i doubt you can afford diamond shoes :-)

I have one degree and a PhD - i don't have a job though so im not sure my opinion count either.

I don't like hobnobs and i don't think they make boden in my size!

Lucyellensmum95 Sun 14-Apr-13 13:10:15

grin LRD, thats some achievement!

Lucyellensmum95 Sun 14-Apr-13 13:10:38

That sounds a bit sarky, wasn't meant to be - intrigued now smile

Now that is true tragedy (hobnobs). How can you enjoy cheesecake? shock

Anyhow, I am changing my mind, I think I do care about the cottage and Jon Snow's big brother.

Still don't give a toss about the island or the education.

I also don't have a job. Bugger.

Lucyellensmum95 Sun 14-Apr-13 13:14:46

I don't know who Jon Snow is, or his big brother.

Because i make them with digestives? Actually i don't make them but i always make sure that there is a little note "no hobnobs were used in the making of this cheesecake"

Here you are: gameofthrones.wikia.com/wiki/Jon_Snow

Not the elderly (but doubtless very pleasant) TV presenter of the same name, which I realize could cause an unexpected image of the above scenario.

He's a character out of Game of Thrones and very pretty. IMHO.

Digestives in cheesecake would be nice, yes ...

Lucyellensmum95 Sun 14-Apr-13 13:26:04

oooh, he looks like a younger, prettier version of my DP!! Does that count as boasting??

Am going to have to buy cheesecake now

envy

Now that is truly disgusting boasting.

grin

Xenia Sun 14-Apr-13 13:31:17

You cannot show off about a man I' m afraid. We want women with their own glory not reflected glory and now women who are just powers behind the throne. They need their own throne - much more fun.

The island is available for hire and is lots of fun. Some

See what women can have if they work hard at school and pick work they like which pays well. It all comes down to feminism at the end of the day.

There are few pictures at
http://www.film-locations.co.uk/catalog.php?item=805

I suspect the thread proves it is very hard to generalise about those posting. I suppose one basic point is if you cannot write and find reading hard you tend not to be on websites or if you cannot afford computers or a smart phone and I hope none of us forget that a good few people in the UK including women cannot read and/or cannot afford a computer or access to it.

Yeah, if we all just worked hard at school and picked work that we liked and pays well, we'd all have -

shit, i see a flaw in this plan.

Arithmetic was not your strong point at school, was it, xenia! grin

So many deserving women, so few private islands.

UptoapointLordCopper Sun 14-Apr-13 13:40:10

I quite fancy a private island. I would like an honorary degree too, though I already have two. You can never have too many degrees. Where can you get one? Spill, LRD.

I have worked hard and picked a job that I really really like but it doesn't pay all that well. Something has gone wrong somewhere. confused

You can have mine - I'll just send you a badly-spelt email and a request for large sums of money into my paypal account. It's how Gillian McKeith did it, isn't it?

ProphetOfDoom Sun 14-Apr-13 13:48:53

Message withdrawn at poster's request.

grin

Bless you. I've never had one of them.

ProphetOfDoom Sun 14-Apr-13 13:56:02

Message withdrawn at poster's request.

True, true.

ComposHat Sun 14-Apr-13 14:07:55

Xenia you do realise that putting up that link makes your real identity visible?

If you don't mind, fair enough, but I certainly wouldn't want my real life self splattered all over Mumsnet.

LadyBeagleEyes Sun 14-Apr-13 14:13:14

Do you never tire of boasting Xenia?
I don't understand why someone as self important as you actually has time to MN.

Sparklingbrook Sun 14-Apr-13 14:15:24

That Island is nothing like I imagined.

ComposHat Sun 14-Apr-13 14:19:17

Sparkling yeah I thought it was a bit shite to be honest. Not a patch on Canvey Island.

Sparklingbrook Sun 14-Apr-13 14:23:17

Looks a bit remote. Where's the amenities?

mrsjay Sun 14-Apr-13 14:24:09

xenia you do realise the link to your island outs you I am a bit dissapointed i was conviced you were Katie thingy but your not oh well

Don't be so mean, it's a lovely island and I'm sure xenia is right to be very proud of her hard work.

AmandaPayneAteTooMuchChocolate Sun 14-Apr-13 14:33:34

I quite like the island, wouldn't say no.

How does it out her <dim>? I mean, I assume it's not hard to find out who owns an island if you're committed, but the link doesn't say who owns the various sites does it?

Sparklingbrook Sun 14-Apr-13 14:39:39

Does the island have a shop?

mrsjay Sun 14-Apr-13 14:42:04

I just went to a link on google and it brought up a whole list of things relating to the owner honestly i didnt go looking grin

LadyBeagleEyes Sun 14-Apr-13 14:44:13

Yes, me too Mrsjay.
I now know more than I ever wanted about her, and I only wanted to see the island.
It's a tiddly little thing isn't it wink.

ComposHat Sun 14-Apr-13 14:51:11

So Xenia is
a) lax when it comes to private information
b) doesn't understand how the Internet works
c) isn't who she claims she is.

Either way it isnt exactly a huge endorsement of her professional competence.

mrsjay Sun 14-Apr-13 14:53:21

It is more of a few big stones LBE than an island grin it is nice though

bunnymother Sun 14-Apr-13 14:57:44

All those who own a private island better than Xenia should feel free to sneer.

LadyBeagleEyes Sun 14-Apr-13 14:59:15

How do you know I don't bunnymother?
I just don't like to boast about it smile.

bunnymother Sun 14-Apr-13 15:03:51

I don't know that you don't. You may. So may I, but I think it's mean to make negative comments on her island. She's worked hard for it, and should be proud of her achievements. As should we all, I think.