So, us rotten lot....

(1000 Posts)
scarredpierced Thu 11-Apr-13 10:19:00

How many of us actually meet Shona's little sidekicks criteria?
She states that all of us on Mumsnet are in our 30s, living in London and have a degree. How many people here meet that criteria?
How many are popping prozac depressed at the shit life we now have with kids?
Damn that woman is nasty!

i am in my 30's. thats it.

LadyVoldemort Thu 11-Apr-13 10:20:13

Not me! I'm a lot younger, opposite end of the country and sadly no degree.

cq Thu 11-Apr-13 10:21:45

46, Home Counties, 2 degrees. Does that mean I should take twice as many pills?

Who's Shona anyway?

I'm in my -- late-- 20's, don't live in London but it do have a degree for all the use its been!

bunnymother Thu 11-Apr-13 10:21:54

Yes to 30's, London and degree. But what's this about Prozac? That sounds like fun! Assume it dissolves nicely in a hot mug of coffee?

ImTooHecsyForYourParty Thu 11-Apr-13 10:22:09

I'm in my 30s. I live in Derbyshire. I have no degree. I take no anti depressants and I really rather enjoy having children. grin

Don't worry about her. She's just trying to grab a share of the attention that others have had by being a bit stupid about mumsnet.

habbibu Thu 11-Apr-13 10:23:09

Who is Shona? Fwiw I'm 40's, in Scotland yes degree & postgrad, and really happy.

likesnowflakesinanocean Thu 11-Apr-13 10:23:20

early 20s no degree live about 6 hours from London . what a bag

phantomhairpuller Thu 11-Apr-13 10:23:23

I have a degree. That's it wink

lubeybooby Thu 11-Apr-13 10:23:41

30's, no degree, midlands, no pills either as no need. Whaaa? Am I doing it wrong? Bugger.

WhoPaintedTheLion Thu 11-Apr-13 10:23:43

30s, not London, yes degree. No prozac, but could probably do with some.

KobayashiMaru Thu 11-Apr-13 10:23:56

30's and a couple of degrees but nowhere near London.

23, live in Brighton, dropped out of my degree after 3 months because it was shit. No kids either!

Is this the woman who was on the radio or another one?

HousewifeFromHeaven Thu 11-Apr-13 10:25:23

40s just no degree living near London.

Kneedeepindaisies Thu 11-Apr-13 10:26:05

I'm in my 30's. I take anti depressants but not for depression smile

Who is this moaning Shona anyway?

SomethingAboutNothing Thu 11-Apr-13 10:26:08

25, live in Yorkshire and no degree.

I'll get my coat.

MrsRajeshKoothrappali Thu 11-Apr-13 10:26:41

30s, degree, West Country.

Do take anti depressants but that's due to cruel/excessive bullying at work causing PTSD. Nothing to do with my perfect DS.

eosmum Thu 11-Apr-13 10:26:46

45, Ireland, no degrees, no pills either though.

Fenton Thu 11-Apr-13 10:26:58

I'm 40+ , South Coast, I've got a Level 4 NVQ, - certificate and everything.

MooMooSkit Thu 11-Apr-13 10:27:10

Saw this article this morning, what a sad old cow. (IMHO grin) Also mid twenties, a good 80 miles from central london, no degrees and not popping prozac.

NeoMaxiZoomDweebie Thu 11-Apr-13 10:28:33

No I am 40 and USED to live in London. I do have a degree.

candyflossisevil Thu 11-Apr-13 10:28:34

Late 20's, up north, no degree YET and no Prozac for a good 2 years grin

issypiggle Thu 11-Apr-13 10:29:41

23, live outside london and no degree, no pills.

habbibu Thu 11-Apr-13 10:29:58

Oh, daily mail. Well, surely that's a big thumbs up in the real world.

KansasCityOctopus Thu 11-Apr-13 10:30:06

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WhoPaintedTheLion Thu 11-Apr-13 10:30:33

Mumsnet is so vast it's silly to label us all in the same way.

MrsBucketxx Thu 11-Apr-13 10:31:06

no degrees no pills either in the woo.

she is mistaken is she thinks we are all vile elitist witches,

the article was full of hate, you put yourself out there as a journo, or sleb. you should expect some criticism.

stargirl1701 Thu 11-Apr-13 10:31:27

In my 30s, 2 degrees but I live in Scotland. No Prozac either grin

BeebiesQueen Thu 11-Apr-13 10:31:38

I'm in my 20s live in the south west (so not london) and dont have a degree

ScooseIsLooseOnTheLoopyJuice Thu 11-Apr-13 10:32:08

30s that's about it though, I don't even own any boden!

scarredpierced Thu 11-Apr-13 10:32:13

Shes the silly bitch whos slagging MN off in Daily Mail for telling the truth slagging off her appearancr.

BeebiesQueen Thu 11-Apr-13 10:33:03

oh and I take lots of pills but no anti d's and I dont think my life is shit. my kids have greatly improved my quality of life!

bunnymother Thu 11-Apr-13 10:33:58

I've got it! I think Shona might benefit from a visit to Hull to see Brian...

I LIVED in London (but a bad part of sarf London so probably not what she had in mind...) but don't. I have a PhD, which I was very lucky to have the opportunities for me to get it (or go to university at all).

No pills either.

BeebiesQueen Thu 11-Apr-13 10:37:16

bunny that just actually made me laugh out loud!

Oh, having found and read the article I'd like to amend: I don't like hobnobs. And own one boden long sleeved t-shirt that I found in a charity shop! I don't own an iron either. Nor do I pop prozac.

Should I be cast out from Mumsnet?

& if I was buying the best of everything that money could buy I doubt I'd be living in a house share with all of my possessions fitting into a couple of suitcases hmm

Where is this thread about her that she bases her entire tirade about?

Ineedmorepatience Thu 11-Apr-13 10:37:50

No, degree, dont live in London and dont take pills.

Dont use apostrophes either because I CBA to remember where to put them grin

33 (next week), 80 miles north of London, no pill popping here and happy with my DC smile

KitCat26 Thu 11-Apr-13 10:38:17

Only just 30. Not in London. No degree and no pills.

Oops no degree either.

BeebiesQueen Thu 11-Apr-13 10:39:41

I have 1 boden dress I bought 3 years ago. but I do like hobnobs

Does that mean I can stay? I dont match any of the other criteria!

landofsoapandglory Thu 11-Apr-13 10:41:11

Here's the article (it is the DM unfortunately).

I'm none of the things that she listed.

milk Thu 11-Apr-13 10:44:31

25, no degree, no London, no pills smile

Not me, I have a degree but am still in my 20s and live Oop Norf.

bonzo77 Thu 11-Apr-13 10:48:00

35. N London. Degree. ADs.

You know what? MN at the moment has its quota of judgemental, opinionated, prejudiced members who are quick to slag off others. Maybe Shona should look around properly, she'd find she'd like it after all.

MrsRajeshKoothrappali Thu 11-Apr-13 10:48:33

I can't stand Boden but I do love Hobnobs.

I did have a cauldron, funnily enough. Very small one. I kept my AD in it. Threw it away while I was decluttering. Keep them in a cupboard now.

almapudden Thu 11-Apr-13 10:50:31

27, live in London, have a degree. No pills though and, perhaps more importantly, no children either!

I've got a degree and I like hobnobs.

It's all her opinion and she's as entitled to voice it as we are entitled to voice ours.

I did particularly like her attention to the way that we have an annoying habit of crossing stuff out! That REALLY winds her up!

Ridersofthestorm Thu 11-Apr-13 10:51:14

Yep in my thirties yep got a degree, nope to living near London nope to to being on Prozac etc.

AgathaF Thu 11-Apr-13 10:52:58

40's, degree, Midlands, grown-up children. No prozac or similar, and not feeling the need either.

I fucking loathe these meja types who float onto AIBU for 2 hours, decide the place is full of uptight bitches, then bugger off again. If they really need article fodder, couldn't they at least find out what MN is really about, because I just don't recognise it, or myself as a user, from the descriptions I read of it in the tabloids or hear of on the tv/radio.

Lucyellensmum95 Thu 11-Apr-13 10:53:15

40s, two degrees and on Prozac - don't live in london though grin

SabrinaMulhollandJjones Thu 11-Apr-13 10:54:50

I remember my 30's fondly. wink

I do have a degree and I do live nearish to London. No prozac though (yet).

Lucyellensmum95 Thu 11-Apr-13 10:55:42

Can't be doing with Boden (it all looks a bit cheap if you ask me) and hobnobs? does anyone actually like those?

nearly 40, no degree, anyone got any prozac?

AgathaF Thu 11-Apr-13 10:56:22

I don't own any Boden stuff either (happy macs or whatever they are called are really not my type of thing), and I don't wish to.

I didn't know I was supposed to like Hobnobs too. They would be my choice only if all the nice stuff from the biscuit tin had already been eaten, I much prefer bourbons or digestives.

TSSDNCOP Thu 11-Apr-13 10:56:27

Shona? Who the fuck is Shona?

MyNameIsAnAnagram Thu 11-Apr-13 10:57:16

late mid 30s, degree. Never lived in London. Not (currently) popping any ADs.

hedgefund Thu 11-Apr-13 10:57:28

more daily mail shite

IsaacCox Thu 11-Apr-13 10:58:49

23, Midlands, no degree, no pills.

FairlyDinkum Thu 11-Apr-13 10:59:08

I heard this was a good place to get prozac?

I don't know what a Shona is but I'm nearly 40, have four degrees - and I live in Sydney. I'm Australian, not an expat.

ForOneNightYoni Thu 11-Apr-13 11:00:16

I do blush

JourneyThroughLife Thu 11-Apr-13 11:05:55

Not in my 30's, I do have a degree though, I live in Berkshire. Don't think I fit the stereotype, and didn't know who Shona was until today!

40s, did live in North London till last year (even better than Muswell Hill, in Islington) but now moved. Have three degrees. Not on prozac, not depressed, love my kids and love my job. But not a yummy mummy (really must get onto C25K and intermittent fasting!). So close but too old.

30s, up north, two degrees.

No prozac, prefer mini-eggs to ease the disappointment of my shit life grin

Rikalaily Thu 11-Apr-13 11:10:52

30's, live in the NW and have no degree, in fact I haven't even got any GCSE's, no pills either.

ClayDavis Thu 11-Apr-13 11:11:18

30s, one degree, don't live anywhere near London. Do take ADs but because I have chronic recurrent depression not because of my children as I don't have any.

nocake Thu 11-Apr-13 11:13:40

40 something
South East
No prozac or any other medication
One delightful daughter

Worst of all......... I'm a man grin

TomDudgeon Thu 11-Apr-13 11:16:44

I'm manage being in my 30's. I fail otherwise. Shall I leave?

JustineMumsnet (MNHQ) Thu 11-Apr-13 11:16:55

Hi all,
I've just sent this email to the Daily Mail, fyi.

Subject line: Some factual errors in your piece on Mumsnet today

Hi Anna,
I see you found someone to write the piece you were looking for about Mumsnet. Could I ask you to correct a few errors of fact in it however?
You say Mumsnet has 25000 posts a day, it's actually 35000
You say "Roberts says members are typically in their 30s with university degrees who live in London". This is not something I say. Only 17% (of our 4.4 million monthly users) live in London (From our census 2012) (Out of interest a higher percentage than that say they are regularly Daily Mail and Mail on Sunday readers)
You say I'm a former Guardian journalist. I have never been a Guardian journalist. I freelanced as a football and cricket reporter for the Times and the Daily Telegraph.
You equate Mumsnet to Ask fm and imply that it is liable to prompt suicide attempts. I suspect this is libellous. It's certainly untrue. There are countless examples in fact where Mumsnet has been a lifeline for those with severe mental health issues and contemplating suicide.
But of course it wasn't a balanced piece you were looking to commission was it?

I'd be very grateful if you could please confirm that you'll correct the errors in the online version of the piece as soon as possible?
Best regards,

SKYTVADDICT Thu 11-Apr-13 11:17:02

45, Lincolnshire, no degree and no pills smile

IWantWine Thu 11-Apr-13 11:17:36

No degree. SE. Used to take AD's but didn't need them once I discovered the wisdom, wit and humour of MN and started divorce proceedings. smile

Badvoc Thu 11-Apr-13 11:19:02

2 dc
Live in the Midlands
No degree
No Prozac

ShadowsChasingGhosts Thu 11-Apr-13 11:21:03

40s, no degree, no pills, no Boden, don't live in London. However, I do live in the same town as Shona!

TSSDNCOP Thu 11-Apr-13 11:21:05

Get in Justine.


MammaTJ Thu 11-Apr-13 11:21:34

46, no degree (yet, I start uni in September), do not live in London. No meds.

I not own any Boden clothing.

Work full time rather than being a SAHM.

LilRedWG Thu 11-Apr-13 11:21:45

Hanging onto my 30's for a few more months, live in the Midlands and have a HND. I do pop the old pills but hey-ho, that's what happens when you have a chemical deficiency.

Shall I get my coat?

PS - fab email Justine!

TheVermiciousKnid Thu 11-Apr-13 11:21:59

Older than 30s, miles from London, almost three degrees, don't like Hobnobs or Boden.

Will those of us who don't fit the criteria be expelled from Mumsnet? sad

Good response to the Daily Mail, Justine! smile

habbibu Thu 11-Apr-13 11:22:38

If you read the DM backwards does it make sense?

habbibu Thu 11-Apr-13 11:23:21

Does Shona live inLondon and have a degree?

TheVermiciousKnid Thu 11-Apr-13 11:24:08

It probably makes more sense than when you read it forwards, Habbibu. wink

TSSDNCOP Thu 11-Apr-13 11:24:38

Kent ex-Sarf London
Degree and city of Guilds
No pills
Wine habit

Go Justine!

22, West Country, no degree, no anti depressants, 1 delightful son who I enjoy parenting rather than humiliating in the DailyFail. Certainly no boden, vile stuff...

ScumbagCollegeDropout Thu 11-Apr-13 11:25:41

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40s, degree (useless and unused) living in Oxfordshire but not a posh part!

No prozac but plenty of wine grin

Not a hobnobs person!

Is there a link to the article please? Would be fun to just comment....

Oh, I do like hobnobs though.

ThedementedPenguin Thu 11-Apr-13 11:28:41

im 22, living in Northern Ireland and have no degrees. No pills here either unless she is also talking about the contraception pill

JillJ72 Thu 11-Apr-13 11:28:55

40, Home Counties, degree, like hobnobs but haven't bought them for years. I'll add them to my shopping list!

I like the crossing out, I find it hilarious quite amusing. Although not hugely fond of bad language on the screen. It is what it is smile

Sleepyfergus Thu 11-Apr-13 11:29:00

Ha ha, go JustineMN!!!

lljkk Thu 11-Apr-13 11:29:35

SS is just tagging onto MN to get her own publicity.

If she doesn't want personal criticism she shouldn't take such a personal and frequently controversial slant on so many things (like preferring to starve rather than use state schools). If I insisted on my unusual perspective and choices being good ones and even making a living out of writing about them in a national newspaper in quite personal, also defensive terms, I wouldn't be surprised if I got shredded for it.

NewsFlash Shona: we're not here to act as anyone's fan club.

Me: mid 40s, Not London, no pills, foreign, never iron, sometimes organic bread in the lunchbox (along with cheesestrings and sausage rolls), Degree'd to the hilt, though. Maybe I can claim Liberalista & to have pontificating style, though. I have to be guilty of something.

Her dog has funny eyes, too. Maybe it's true what they say about pets looking like their owners.

nenevomito Thu 11-Apr-13 11:29:36

Middle aged.
Degree and above.
Live nowhere near London, but I've heard of its existence and I've even heard that they have trains wot run underground. <gazes off in wonder>

Not on prozac but am on some pretty funky other meds for a long term health condition.

Didn't even know Boden existed until I came here, but have a wardrobe full of Tresspass.

Sleepyfergus Thu 11-Apr-13 11:29:40

Oh and I'm 40, in Scotland and possess a degree.

singingmum Thu 11-Apr-13 11:33:15

Sorry but isn't she the 'person' she is describing as a mumsnet user.
Love the email btw
Oh and I'm a 36yr old sahm, home educator, low income,no degree's and an agoraphobe taking no ad's and much prefer a custard cream.
Worst piece of journalism ever as obv very little real research done and not exactly written from an un biased point of view. Now I remember why I don't read the daily fail prefer real journalism

habbibu Thu 11-Apr-13 11:33:46

I don't think her looks are fair game, though. Plenty to criticise without doing that.

nenevomito Thu 11-Apr-13 11:33:59

Just read Justine's reply. Excellent response.

coffeeinbed Thu 11-Apr-13 11:34:19

Well, I was 30 once.
I do have the occasional Boden bits though.

Two out of three ain't bad, apparently.
I'm only here because I was told to fuck off to mumsnet on a forum where having opinions was frowned upon. I was basically a homeless internet vagrant, and I've been lurking in doorways round these parts ever since. I don't own anything from Boden though.

sjupes Thu 11-Apr-13 11:34:50

Mid 20's, scotland, no degree, no boden and i can't stick hob nobs.

I'll be off then..

<Great email to DM justine smile>

habbibu Thu 11-Apr-13 11:34:55

I've nearly finished reading Flat Earth News. I'm not sure much real journalism exists any more.

Hassled Thu 11-Apr-13 11:34:58

Excellent email, Justine.

And you didn't really mess about at school, did you? Because that would have been very bad and wrong of you, as I'm sure you know wink.

hedgefund Thu 11-Apr-13 11:36:13

bloody good response justine! this must get so wearing.

HoobleDooble Thu 11-Apr-13 11:36:23

Just turned 40, live in Derbyshire, but do have a degree. Not on Prozac.

MrsBucketxx Thu 11-Apr-13 11:36:33

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Nice response Justine.

MrsBucketxx Thu 11-Apr-13 11:40:13

ooops blush

GoatsHaveStrangeEyes Thu 11-Apr-13 11:40:55

Not that I give a shit about what she thinks but no I do not fit into any of those categories.

In fact after having DD1 at 17 and coming from a family raised on benefits I didn't think I would fit in here at all.

But I luffs it so any MN bashers can fuck off.

HelenMumsnet (MNHQ) Thu 11-Apr-13 11:41:19


I don't think her looks are fair game, though. Plenty to criticise without doing that.

Yes. Please, folks: feel free to criticise opinions as robustly as you like but personal comments are against the site rules - and generally not on.

TSSDNCOP Thu 11-Apr-13 11:42:20

Well annoyingly I had to go and look her up.

Tis her of the smacking, drugging and publicly humiliating of the husband fame.

Surely the dresses she's wearing are Jonnies finest?

Is Liz Moans in rehab on holiday? Is this why this woman's getting so many column inches?

WitchOfEndor Thu 11-Apr-13 11:42:47

Thirties (for the next 2 months), degree and postgrad, live in Shropshire. We don't fit into a neat pigeonhole so they can label us.

TSSDNCOP Thu 11-Apr-13 11:44:02

Her dogs look nice though smile

CarpeVinum Thu 11-Apr-13 11:44:18

Good response from MNHQ.

I'm a bit startled at all the MN hate, people never used to exploit iVillage in the day a newspaper fillers, perhaps it is the longer term sucess of MN that gets up some noses?


I'm 46
Live in a tiny rurual corner of Italy not all that far from Milan
I left school with 4 O levels. And two of those are in Dom Sci and RE.

I did live in London once though. In the 80s. During my squatter era.

MrsBucketxx Thu 11-Apr-13 11:45:50

her dogs, how did you find that?

MaisyMooCow Thu 11-Apr-13 11:48:16

I have just started a new thread to Ms Sibary. She mentioned me in her article! Never heard of her before today!

TSSDNCOP Thu 11-Apr-13 11:50:12

There's a photo of them in the farticle Mrs Bucket Black one and brown one.

I think it's rich of Sibary to complain that she was accused of exploiting her child in an article where she uses that child's sleeping habits as a peg for the whole argument and includes a picture of said child. Almost as ironic as her complaining about being on the receiving end of vitriol with errrrrrrr vitriol of her own.

I'm in my thirties, don't take prozac, don't send my youngest child to a school with a uniform, there is nothing organic in the house. However there is a shed load of Boden and I have a degree. Thank goodness I don't live in London.

DontSHOUTTTTTT Thu 11-Apr-13 11:52:41


If you read the DM backwards does it make sense?

That is sooooooo funny grin

Kneedeepindaisies Thu 11-Apr-13 11:53:09

I think I have a big girl crush on Justine right now grin

Oh, thank god someone has started this thread.

I've not read this specific article but I've been having this bizarre ghostly experience every time MN gets mentioned in the press lately.

According to deeply embarrassing stats BOF dragged up for me, a couple of weeks ago I was one of the ten posters on MN who waffle on the most. Obviously this is because I have no life and am chained to my computer while I churn out my Thesis of Doom, but still.

I wouldn't swear to it but I reckon trills (who also doesn't have kids) probably comes up on there a fair bit too.

And yet they keep being deeply outraged we're all 'nasty mummies', cos you lot are meant to turn into saints once you procreate.

Anyhoo, I'm in my twenties, don't live in London, never have, have a degree. So there we are.

magimedi Thu 11-Apr-13 11:55:21

wine Justine (it's a pink gin for you).


South Coast

No degree

Gin rather than prozac.

I think this is a sort of 'silly season' , everyone has cabin fever & attacking MN is fashionable & easy for people with no original ideas who have pieces to write for sensationalist rags.

MrsBucketxx Thu 11-Apr-13 11:55:32

oh yeah,

tangledupinpoo Thu 11-Apr-13 11:55:36

Blimey, and she calls us poisonous?! Her writing is vicious. But worse than that, it's lazy.

Oh - I am depressed, though not currently medicating. Lucky me.

Blimey, and she calls us poisonous?! Her writing is vicious. But worse than that, it's lazy.

I love this.

This is what makes me love MN. The fact you're more bothered by her lack of writing style than anything else. grin

30 this year, lived in London (but no longer), and have a degree.

AdoraBell Thu 11-Apr-13 11:58:15

I'm way over 30's, no degree, no pills, happy with my DCs as much as you can be with pre-teens grin and live a looooooooong way from London.

<applauds Justine>

Bertrude Thu 11-Apr-13 12:01:47

Not in 30s
Living in forrin climes
No Prozac
No kids either

Do have a degree though

chateauferret Thu 11-Apr-13 12:01:47

Bloke, 40s, Scotland, 2 degrees and Coke not Prozac.

WorraLiberty Thu 11-Apr-13 12:01:54

44, no degree, no pills, living in greater london.

I have no idea who this Shona person is or her sidekick but well done Justine for putting her straight.

smilingthroughgrittedteeth Thu 11-Apr-13 12:08:14

29, live in Kent, no degree and never taken Prozac.

I'm not even a mum I'm a step-mum and a nanny

Oh and I've never set foot in a Starbucks and don't own any uggs, can I still be a mumsnetter? Pleeeeeeeeeeaaassssssseeeee I love you
all even when you don't agree with me grin

coffeeinbed Thu 11-Apr-13 12:13:06

This isn't right.
According to this roughly about 89.7% of us are not supposed to be here.
Can't believe I'm mixing with you lot.

ShonaTheMoaner Thu 11-Apr-13 12:15:33

I'm here! you Boden wearing bitches

See, I do like the crossing out really but I can't let that get in the way of a "good" story.

Lucyellensmum95 Thu 11-Apr-13 12:15:48

Go Justine - I for one have been suicidal and think there is a strong possibility that mnet may have saved my life in the past (more than once)

JammyDodger1 Thu 11-Apr-13 12:16:03

41, no degree and live in Yorkshire, no pill popping here either, unless smarties count grin

Well said Justine

I do love a list though grin

YonirockandrollbutIlikeit Thu 11-Apr-13 12:16:33

40's, studying for a degree, Surrey, no prozac

Not a mum. Likely to remain sprogless.

flowers for Justine and all the luffly commenters here.

RatRatRat Thu 11-Apr-13 12:17:38

I have a degree but I'm 26 and live in, er, Wales.

landofsoapandglory Thu 11-Apr-13 12:17:46

Well said Justine.

McBalls Thu 11-Apr-13 12:19:06


Surely if a female celeb had cause to speak out about bullying they would do better to point a finger at...oh I don't know know, the DM for example?

Sibari couldn't be expected to do that though, but then she's not a celebrity - how about she writes a piece tackling the vile, racist, disablist, homophobic and misogynistic twats who frequent the DM comments section?

You know, have a bit of integrity.

Older than 40 sad
Have been to London
Live in Holland so who the hell would need Prozac? grin

EnidRollins Thu 11-Apr-13 12:23:19

In my 30's. Nowhere near London (Northerner born and bred.) Definitely no pills. So that's me out then! smile

Go Justine!

I am 41, live in London, have a couple of degrees and some certificates, even a couple of attendance certificates from my local adult education grin, I also FAILED Latin. Never been on Anti Depressants. Admittedly, I prefer Marzipan to Prozac with my coffe.

drfayray Thu 11-Apr-13 12:24:40

51, three degrees, two postgrad qualifications, live in Brisbane, two children and no pills.

MN saved me when my scrotish ex left me.

bootsycollins Thu 11-Apr-13 12:25:19

Well said Justine thanks

kim147 Thu 11-Apr-13 12:27:52

40ish, so not in London, got a couple of degrees though.

No pills. Yet.

40s, London, degree. No Prozac.

PS pnly 40s for a few months more, grrrr...!

TheYoniWayIsHull Thu 11-Apr-13 12:32:17

I'm 20's, no degree, never even been to London.

Please don't send me back to netmums

only sorry

MyNameIsAnAnagram Thu 11-Apr-13 12:34:23

Just reading the comments on the article (sorry) and love this one; "Hate mumsnet, full of opinionated, superior, breast feeding, communists."

what a great image grin

TheBigJessie Thu 11-Apr-13 12:36:35

Twenties, no prozac, don't live in London, don't have a degree (but want one), do have the most gorgeous children on the planet. In retrospect, think I did have depression/PTSD before having children, if that's relevant.

No hobnobs, no iron. No boden. Oh hang on, one child has some second hand Boden trousers. (They're the most ghastly design ever, which is why they were given away, but they fit him, and he likes them.)

Twentytotwo Thu 11-Apr-13 12:36:46

Can I point out that many MNers are actively boycotting the Daily Fail online because of it's appalling 'writing' after the Philpott case. Funny how they're now engaging in MN baiting. They rely on women readers. Stop clicking on their website and they lose ££££ in advertising. So they're now slagging off a well known female dominated site. How many of you have looked to see what they're saying? I accidentally clicked on a link about this posted by someone whose posting name was used in that article. You don't get any warning if you're using an iPad.

I am picturing one of those Soviet style posters, of an army of superior breast-feeding communists.

MrsPeeWee Thu 11-Apr-13 12:37:58

Nope. I'm 23, currently in Edinburgh and don't have a degree angry

Although I do take prozac. Not because I dislike my life as a mother - I've been like this since I was 15.

stinkyfluffycat Thu 11-Apr-13 12:38:15

Would OpinionatedSuperiorBreastfeedingCommunist be too long for a new nickname?

wiganwagonwheelworks Thu 11-Apr-13 12:39:12

thirties. Three degrees <popstar>

BoreOfWhabylon Thu 11-Apr-13 12:40:27

Yay, Justine - give 'em hell!

I'm a postmenopausal barren spinster living in the sticks nowhere near London.

I do have a degree though. Hopefully counterbalanced by lack of Boden and Hobnobs, so can I stay please?

BenjaminButton172 Thu 11-Apr-13 12:43:51

Love the email Justine smile

I am late 20s
live in scotland
have no degrees
dont take any pills

And i didnt breastfeed my child either for the person who wrote the daily fail comment

Wotme Thu 11-Apr-13 12:44:30

It is as I predicted when the daily mail started on MN a few years back.
Hate to say I to you so...

jaggythistle Thu 11-Apr-13 12:45:21

30s, degree, nowhere near London, no Pill popping.

YonirockandrollbutIlikeit Thu 11-Apr-13 12:46:49

Is breastfeeding compulsory? It's rather difficult when you don't have any children, and I'm not sure my neighbours would be happy about me borrowing their baby...

stinkyfluffycat Thu 11-Apr-13 12:48:36

Oh, and you can install to stop you clicking on the Daily Fail - if you click on a Fail link after you've installed this it gives you pictures of tea and kittens instead. Much better for you.

DoIgetastickerforthat Thu 11-Apr-13 12:48:50

30's - check. London - check. Degree - check. Prozac and hating my kids - no, will try harder though.

ivykaty44 Thu 11-Apr-13 12:50:03

I think that the DM online hits have gone down since there was a boycott on linking to DM pages - so of course they are now very cross with mners for altering their stats and shocked at the rate they have dropped , now what are they going to do to keep the editor in any way happy?

Quenelle Thu 11-Apr-13 12:50:18

Live outside London.
No degree.
I have been in my 30s, but I'm not currently.

Well done Justine for showing her that the world knows she's making it all up. The DM printed 'facts' about my village a couple of weeks ago that were so untrue it was laughable. And a bit worrying.

2 degrees

No pills but pop smarties like um smarties confused especially when I've stolen them off the children (see there are advantages to having DC).

Maybe I don't need the prozac because I can afford the private school fees without losing my home. wink

Pan Thu 11-Apr-13 12:51:31

Live N Derbysire
No pills (kids get there before me!)
Not even a proper woman.

LadyBigtoes Thu 11-Apr-13 12:52:47

Don't live in London, do live in a big city
Popping SSRIs, yes I am and I'm not ashamed of it. For anxiety from a combination of PND and family (not kids or relationship, extended family) issues. Having a go at people for taking medicine to treat an illness - that's the lowest of the low. Using mental health problems as something to mock people about? - it's not 1523 any more.

MyNameIsAnAnagram Thu 11-Apr-13 12:53:48

"I am picturing one of those Soviet style posters, of an army of superior breast-feeding communists."

Yes exactly, all with rolled up sleeves and headscarves grin

LtEveDallas Thu 11-Apr-13 12:54:16

40, no degree (but lots of professional quals), in the arse end of Oxfordshire, 1 child, no drugs of any kind (unless the occasional Vodka and Diet Coke counts?)

No hob-nobs, no boden, no Uggs. I wear uniform during the day and Asda jeans at night.

I actually read MN for the very first time from Iraq - and joined up on my return.

I'm about as far from her lazy stereotyping as is possible!

LtEveDallas Thu 11-Apr-13 12:55:48

Oh and Justine - you really are fab <<suckup>>

Late 40's
Live close to London (half hour fast train)
No degree but professional qualification in insurance
Prozac before DC because of high pressure job. Now Citalopram for anxiety because I'm now epileptic.

SuffolkNWhat Thu 11-Apr-13 12:59:19

Message withdrawn at poster's request.

FreedomOfTheTess Thu 11-Apr-13 13:00:17

* In my 30s
* Two degrees
* Live about 20 minutes from London (but not in London)
* No pill popping

Can I stay?!

thornrose Thu 11-Apr-13 13:01:27

40s, moved from London to sunny West Sussex, no degree, no Prozac yet , I'm not keen on Hobnobs, I'd much rather have a Jaffa cake.

Fab Justine. Did she reply?

You are all so young!


UtterflyButterfly Thu 11-Apr-13 13:02:06

Way past 30s, living in Ireland, yes to degree. No Prozac, no Hobnobs, did buy a dress from Boden once, when desperate.

McBalls Thu 11-Apr-13 13:02:16

I am in my 30s, live in London, no degree, no depression, no medication.
I will try my best to do better.

Degree. Bloody autocorrect

AndTwoBits Thu 11-Apr-13 13:05:43

30's with a degree and living in Dublin. 2 outta 3 ain't bad.

gazzalw Thu 11-Apr-13 13:06:03

The Daily Fail never gets its facts right!

Well and rightly defended Justine! grin!

moisturiser Thu 11-Apr-13 13:07:07

God it's depressing that in this day and age so many people have a problem with women expressing an opinion and even, shock horror, swearing.

Am in my thirties, have never lived in London. Not a mum, have never and will never wear Boden. Do have a degree though. Not currently on anti-depressants.

EarnestDullard Thu 11-Apr-13 13:09:44

I'm in my 30s, live in London and have a degree. I'm such a cliché blushgrin

No Prozac, although I'm starting to see the appeal of a bottle glass of gin wine some nights.

NigelMolesworth Thu 11-Apr-13 13:11:13

37, West Midlands. Degree.
Work part time in my own business. Love it.
SAHM for the rest of the time. Love it too.
No Prozac.
Secretly has a bit of crush on Justine having met her at BlogFest.
Not mean and nasty on MN or in real life.

Degrees and London, but in my 40s. Have no intention of reading DM link, but for the record I have no Boden, am not on Prozac, have never understood the point of Uggs, think my children are pretty ace although am aware others may unaccountably not share my opinion, and am over Hobnobs (although I was quite fond of them in my 20s). And I seem to remember being nice about Amanda Holden on those threads last year (but then I seem to remember the majority of posters being nice and telling the nasty minority to sod off).

SanityClause Thu 11-Apr-13 13:12:54

In my 30s - I bloody wish!

Degree - tick

London - well Greater London, so half a tick

Prozac - no

Depression - only when I look at the ironing pile

Still, if she hadn't written the article thingy I wouldn't have been pointed to the Kitten Block addon, so there's been a net gain to my happiness.

ScrambledSmegs Thu 11-Apr-13 13:24:34

Haha! 30's, London, degree. But I am quite sickeningly happy with my 2 kids (2nd is miracle baby) and tend to take WWPHS* as my MN mantra, so try to be nice as fuck wink

* What Would Pag or Hecate Say. Of course.

PS Have mega girl crush on Justine.

AwkwardSquad Thu 11-Apr-13 13:29:18

None of her criteria apply to me. Lazy journalism. Although that's an insult to journalism, I gather she's a columnists so paid to drivel on about her tedious home life. Yawn.

elQuintoConyo Thu 11-Apr-13 13:34:47

Nearly 40
Live in smallsville Spain with Spanish husband and 1/2 Spanish DS
Never lived in London
Was an E popper many moons ago, but no Prozac
Don't like Hobnobs
Have only heard of Boden from MN, don't know what the clothes look like
Never owned Uggs

Can play the violin while shooting pingpong balls out if my Yoni, if that helps... Sharon... Sharona... Schooner whatever-her-name-is. (Who is she?)

Pigsmummy Thu 11-Apr-13 13:34:49

Surrey, 38 no degree but well paid job and a happy mummy, no Prozac needed.

FairPhyllis Thu 11-Apr-13 13:36:51

30s, not in London, 3 degrees.

flaminghoopsaloohlah Thu 11-Apr-13 13:44:10

I meet one of those criteria...

Is anyone going to take the results of this survey and collate it all into a nice neat little table/pie chart for Shona-the-rash-Generaliser to peruse?

31, 2 degrees, South West.

My pills are for migraines. I had those long before I procreated.

Kbear Thu 11-Apr-13 13:53:21

45 but look 28, no I do, ask Justine, she met me, she'll tell ya

Saaf London

Loads of O levels, RSA Typing Stage 2 Distinction, Teeline Shorthand one zillion words per minute, and I quite like The Three Degrees.

Tee2072 Thu 11-Apr-13 13:58:35

Justine is my girl crush this week. grin

44, Belfast, degree. Pop pills like candy. Legal ones. Honest. wink

Labootin Thu 11-Apr-13 13:58:58

Its current 30 degrees where I live, if that counts

I'll get my bikini

ScumbagCollegeDropout Thu 11-Apr-13 14:03:57

Oooh my first mn deletion grin

Okay I'll try again.

30s, the other side of the world to most of youse, barely completed college, no pill popping.

No boden, no hobnobs (they cost a bomb here).

Kasterborous Thu 11-Apr-13 14:06:18

In my 40's, don't live in London and haven't got a degree grin

wonkylegs Thu 11-Apr-13 14:06:56

I'm in my 30's, have 3 degrees but live way up north.
Take lots of pills but not for depression.
Dislike Boden - really not my thing!

Very late thirties sad
Have degree
Live in Glasgow
Only been to London twice
Couldn't afford Boden even if I wanted to
Have a pair of fake Uggs
No pills
Don't post very often but have been here for ages and lurk mostly
Loads of good advice and funny posters

mejon Thu 11-Apr-13 14:39:53

45 (in a week!), degree, live in mid/west Wales, no pills apart from the odd paracetamol.

What the silly SS appears to have ignored is that people were probably only having a pop at her after reading one of her attrocious family confessionals. Don't lay yourself bare for a buck missus if you don't want people to react to the drivel you write.

I'm 22, up north and do degrees


PetiteRaleuse Thu 11-Apr-13 14:48:44

Ha! On this thread I predicted she would be soon planning an anti-Mumsnet rant:

How predictable. Can I have my commission Shona?

Live in north london, not muswell hill though, the "ghetto" part grin
Never worn Boden in my life
1 degree
No pills popping here, I prefer vodka thanks.
Work full time (although tbf, judging by the amount of time I am on here, you would probably never know)
I do like hobnobs, chocolate hobnobs though.

And that email was brilliant Justine.

PetiteRaleuse Thu 11-Apr-13 14:56:19

Love Justine's email

MissVerinder Thu 11-Apr-13 14:57:36

Mid thirties, up North, don't wear Boden, love hobnobs but they're too expensive and I love children that much I look after others beside my own.

Oh, I haven't got a degree, but I do have an NVQ L4 <polishes nails> and don't pop any pills, but I did breastfeed till DD self weaned.

Heinous Diet Coke addiction though.

crypes Thu 11-Apr-13 14:59:34

Why do posters on mn keep reading the daily mail to slag off the women writers and get totally obsessed and stressed out with them?

fledtoscotland Thu 11-Apr-13 15:07:10

Late 30s, Scotland but used to live in London nearly 20yrs ago, two degrees and about to start masters. Not on any daily meds

5 degrees
about 1.5 hours from London
No pill popping

.....and just for the record am a human being not a clone!

She must have spent a lot of time on mumsnet being jealous of a group of people which dont exist grin

MrSlant Thu 11-Apr-13 15:16:40

30's just.
Live in rural Wales and never go to London (them there double decker buses startle me).
No boden, no hobnobs but I am in the middle of my second degree through the OU hence all the time I spend on MN
I take tramadol for very unglamorous chronic arthritis the length of my spine and only got up the courage to take them, and enhance the quality of my life considerably, from talking to another MN'er on here who knows what being in constant pain is like. Invaluable to have the support as living in a small village there isn't a big cross section of people with advice to give.

I will never, ever, click on a DM link again or buy the bloody awful newspaper. So ner.

exiledmancityfan Thu 11-Apr-13 15:19:32

30s live in West Yorkshire, a degree but no pills sad still can't have everything.

exiledmancityfan Thu 11-Apr-13 15:21:20

I also like hob nobs but only the ones with dark chocolate wink

ShootingStarsss Thu 11-Apr-13 15:21:59

30's not in London, a degree....

Taxi waiting .... grin

morethanpotatoprints Thu 11-Apr-13 15:22:02

I don't fit the description either, not even one of the points
Who is shona?

GizzaCwtch Thu 11-Apr-13 15:23:20

Message withdrawn at poster's request.

MammaTJ Thu 11-Apr-13 15:38:47

habbibu I don't think it makes sense forwards, backwards or upside down.

nethunsreject Thu 11-Apr-13 15:39:49

30s, no degree, only visited London once, no Boden.

SmellieWellies Thu 11-Apr-13 15:41:49

Late 30s (well, nearly 40), do not live in London- have never lived in London. 3 degrees. Don't pop pills.

SmellieWellies Thu 11-Apr-13 15:42:04

no boden either.

Machli Thu 11-Apr-13 15:45:01

Live in London.
Currently studying for degree.

So kind of fit. Who is Shona anyway?

HelenYoniSchmoniMumsnet (MNHQ) Thu 11-Apr-13 15:52:34

Afternoon. We're going to move this thread out of Chat now, purely to preserve it for the future and all that.

<realises should really have un-Yoni'd name first blush>

Queenofknickers Thu 11-Apr-13 15:52:53

Sh*t loads of Prozac grin, 30s, 2 degrees, Sussex and a total admiration for JustineMN smile

Welsh, no degree, no prozac (god knows how), one more year till the big four o

enormouse Thu 11-Apr-13 16:01:00

Early 20s, northern Ireland, no Prozac, in process of applying for postgrad degree.

Lemonylemon Thu 11-Apr-13 16:01:01

No prozac
Part way through Humanities degree

Is this Shona person someone who blurts their family's life all over the DM? Glad I'm not part of her family.

JustineMumsnet (MNHQ) Thu 11-Apr-13 16:04:41


Fab Justine. Did she reply?

Yes she did, viz:
Thanks for your email. I'll make sure those errors are corrected online.

Thanks everyone for your supportive words re my email - it really helps. It's pretty galling knowing the way this came about - I heard that Femail were actively looking for someone to do a hatchet job, possibly prompted by the GP thread the other day.

Bit odd of them to quote your Mum JustineMN. sad Was that something she said ages ago?

MrsHoarder Thu 11-Apr-13 16:11:40

Mid 20s, west country, got one degree and doing another. No need for prozac, I've got chocolate.

God this feels so fucking unfair!

Justine your email was great, mumsnet is fucking awesome. Shall we self pen an article on six 'typical' mumsnetters and see if a decent paper wants it?

And what the bloody hell is so wrong with having a degree anyway?

fwiw my stats are as follows - I'm a Geordie, a single parent. I'm running my own (small) business and bringing up my eight year old twins. Yes, I do have a degree, and I'm very proud of that fact. No I'm not on medication (and attacking anyone who is really galls me!) and I'm really happy with my life. I love mn and will defend it to the death!!

gazzalw Thu 11-Apr-13 16:19:38

I don't fit the stereotype:

long way past my thirties hmm
What's Boden?
degree - yes!
London - yes!
female - No!
Never known to eat biscuits at all (polishes halo!)
Prozac - not to anti-depressants but yes to ciggies and wine!

Glad you got some sort of humble-pie response, Justine although it still leaves a bitter taste...

gazzalw Thu 11-Apr-13 16:21:10

sorry that should have said no instead of not blush - was there a stereotype for slack proof-reading?!

TheRealMBJ Thu 11-Apr-13 16:21:40

2 degrees
Wishes I lived in London (does that count)
And GASP forrin (although naturalised now)

JustineMumsnet (MNHQ) Thu 11-Apr-13 16:21:51


Bit odd of them to quote your Mum JustineMN. sad Was that something she said ages ago?

Yes - was in a Sunday Times Relative Values thingy to promote Gransnet launch I think. Learned a valuable lesson never to let my mum near the press again...She's got a touch of the Patricia Hodge in Miranda about her... grin

YY but we will all need to wear balaclavas in the picture trash which isn't really the image MN promotes. grin 6 of these would be good though.

Such fun though JustineMN. grin

GirlOutNumbered Thu 11-Apr-13 16:24:34


aufaniae Thu 11-Apr-13 16:28:45

I'm in my 30s, used to live in London and am currently doing a degree, does that count?!
No pill popping.

sparkling they're terrifying! I liked that yellow one worn by pussy riot. My friend liked it so much she tore it out of the newspaper and framed it. It's up in her dining room.... Is it okay to have a dining room or will we be judged for that too d'y'think?

nettie Thu 11-Apr-13 16:29:05

In 40s.
Been to London a handful of times.
Got degree.
No ADs.
No Boden.
Very happy with my life thanks.

Think mumsnet is wonderful diverse place, learnt loads here and am far less judgemental than I used to be.

PetiteRaleuse Thu 11-Apr-13 16:29:43

The GP thread was sure to piss them off. To be honest I was surprised you let it stand.

In my 20s (just!).
Two degrees.

I first registered here after desperately Googling for advice on how to teach DSD to read. Being from another country, absolutely none of the methods or books her school used were familiar to me, and feeling helpless is not nice. Have gotten some lovely advice about said issue and several more since then. smile

aufaniae Thu 11-Apr-13 16:32:32

Justine that was a great email.
Reckon you should go after them for libel wink

You can wear this one trash. grin

PetiteRaleuse Thu 11-Apr-13 16:33:54

Not that I am criticising you letting it stand Justine - it was A great thread. But it went so viral and was pretty embarassing for them so they had to fight back at some point and it's not unlike the Mail to fight dirty in this way.

I'd take a hate campaign from the Mail as a fairly whopping compliment to be honest.

JollyPurpleGiant Thu 11-Apr-13 16:34:23

20s. Scotland. No degree. No Prozac either though.

ForYourEyesYoni Thu 11-Apr-13 16:34:28

I heard that Femail were actively looking for someone to do a hatchet job...

Well, rest easy that the best/worst they could come up with was Dear Shona, spouting shite.

For the record:
yes to 30's, a degree (well, 2), hobnobs
no to living in London, Boden and Prozac

AugustaProdworthy Thu 11-Apr-13 16:36:23

in my thirties and post graduate but that's it. I wouldn't know how to wear a scarf let alone a special MN one.

MrsDeVere Thu 11-Apr-13 16:36:30

I am fed up with all this lazy MN bashing.
FWIW if you are reading Shona

I am in my 40s
yes I do live in London
3 o levels and some CSES
And yes, I do pop pills but thats because one of my children died.

And I get more support around the death of my DD on here than I do in real life. I suspect you wouldn't be up to much on that score.

AmberSocks Thu 11-Apr-13 16:37:44

Message deleted by Mumsnet for breaking our Talk Guidelines. Replies may also be deleted.

MyNameIsAnAnagram Thu 11-Apr-13 16:41:15

"I am fed up with all this lazy MN bashing." I agree, it's quite clear that the bashers don't actually take the time to read many posts. They just need to look on the bereavement section to see what support people get from the site.

HotelFromage Thu 11-Apr-13 16:41:35

Oop North
Degree and 2 postgrads
Work PT
Chocolate digestives
Just ventured cautiously back into Boden after it all went a bit "fun" for a while.
2 kids (and this is the bit the journo's don't appear to be able to grasp about MNsmile no more kids will be had due to my last bout of Hyperemesis Gravidarum and 3 months in bed, survived without depression ONLY thanks to Mumsnet - LucindaE's HG support thread and Classics.

That is all.

usualsuspect Thu 11-Apr-13 16:45:14

Why take anything some bandwagon jumping 2nd rate journo writes seriously? She writes for the DM ffs.

I'd be more pissed off if someone who wrote for the Dail Fail liked us.

Anyway moaner Shona, I live on a council estate in the Midlands, no degree.


Interestingly the DM have an article today where the writer calls Holly Willoughby a bimbo. confused

slug Thu 11-Apr-13 16:48:04

London (but deeply untrendy sarf London, no meeja types round here)
Several degrees
I don't need to pop pills because by dearly beloved DH prefers life at home with the munchkin than working. Husband happy, child happy, mum happy.
I can't afford Boden (see non-income generating husband above)

DancesWithWoolEnPointe Thu 11-Apr-13 16:49:45

Not in London,
4 degrees,
in 30s,
no to bodem, print too big. But yes to scarves and other "mumsie" brands
do take ADs, sorry to let the side down

madammecholet Thu 11-Apr-13 16:50:43

<hands Justine a G&T> grin

no where near London
don't wear Boden
wine & handbag addict

thermalsinapril Thu 11-Apr-13 16:52:47

Her "popping prozac" comment offensive angry Depression isn't a joke, it's an illness. It's also inaccurate, because there are likely to be the same percentage of Daily Mail readers taking antidepressants as there are Mumsnet readers.

thermalsinapril Thu 11-Apr-13 16:53:13

is offensive

TwitchyTail Thu 11-Apr-13 16:57:18

very, very late, like barely hanging on by my fingertips twenties. <desperately clings onto remnants of youth>

A million miles from London.

Several degrees, none of which have been the slightest bit of use in working out the fecking Maxi Cosi Rubix cube car seat. So pretty pointless then.

No to everything else.

MrsHoarder Thu 11-Apr-13 16:58:15

I vote we disguise ourselves with MN scarves.

ivykaty44 Thu 11-Apr-13 16:58:45


that is so not true! 80% of DM readers take antidepressants, the other 20% are illiterate wink

TooYappy Thu 11-Apr-13 17:00:32

30's (for a few months)


No degree but working my ass off to get a diploma that I'm going to fail if that helps?

Not prozac as they make me even more hyperactive but yes do take sedatives not because of my children, just because I wasted so many year with their father and have horrid memories

When I was with their F (sorry he is not a D at all) this place was a life saver I couldn't have wished for better place to escape. Until he found me here too often

The article is nonsense, what about the Canadian Mumsnetters and America, Australia, Germany, Norway...

smilingthroughgrittedteeth Thu 11-Apr-13 17:00:54

Dp has just caught up with the fact that mn has taken a bashing in the press and would like me to point out to anyone that might be reading that he knows for a fact if it wasn't for the step-parenting forum he would be single and if it wasn't for the support of an amazing group of people on a thread in general health I would indeed be taking Prozac because I would have fallen apart months ago.

He also says that he has no idea what Boden is but I'm usually in my m&s pj's when mumsnetting so I can't be a typical mumsnetter.

Justine your email was great it's just a shame your having to defend a great place like mn

YoniJoking Thu 11-Apr-13 17:03:49

In my 20's ex Norf Londoner (ish) done 1 year of a degree course.

Justine, you are fab.

MmeLindor Thu 11-Apr-13 17:10:24

I am committing the heinous crime of not RTFT, so apologies if this has been said already, but I can understand her being upset if that is true - that there was a thread on here that called her ugly etc.

I have no idea. I haven't read her articles before (knowingly), and don't think I have seen her talked about on here.

For the record

Lives in Scotland
No degree

Am I allowed to link to a blog here? Some of us bloggers are getting fed up with being bashed in the press and from other bloggers and have written posts about why we love Mumsnet. There are some fab blog posts there.

I'm in my forties. I grew up in London/Home counties borders but am an economic migrant to the Midlands. I have a degree and a PGCE and other bits and pieces.
I think I possibly do have dysthymia (long-standing low level depression) but that could just be because my heating's been busted for a week now and am seriously p'eed off ATM - not much likelihood of it being fixed now til Monday sad
My DC's are my raison d'etre but I enjoy other people/things too smile

usualsuspect Thu 11-Apr-13 17:13:38

I've just realised who she is, she wrote that article about sending her girls to private school and being skint didn't she?

She was probably desperate for the money then.

PetiteRaleuse Thu 11-Apr-13 17:17:21

She's often on This Morning too. Saw her on it this week talking about drugging her children.

kotinka Thu 11-Apr-13 17:20:58

Message withdrawn at poster's request.

SuffolkNYoni Thu 11-Apr-13 17:22:29

Oh is that her? I saw that section on TM and thought she seemed slightly blinkered in her views. Wanting to shock for shockings sake.

I'm not surprised Holly W is getting a pasting. It seemed like she was defending MN in that same episode, so you know, hang her hang the witch etc etc

MmeLindor Thu 11-Apr-13 17:22:30

Yes, Usual. Just googled it.


Ok, so we weren't kind, but she did put her life up for discussion in a national newspaper.

ginslinger Thu 11-Apr-13 17:23:29

2 degrees
Lived in london about 40 years ago

MmeLindor Thu 11-Apr-13 17:24:54


Do click through to the other blogs, there are a few really fab stories on there.

[hides from MNHQ]

PetiteRaleuse Thu 11-Apr-13 17:25:48

Oh I missed Holly W defending MN. I know I have seen Sibary on there before though, and yes, she is generally quite confrontational and has some quite interesting opinions.

MyFace Thu 11-Apr-13 17:26:37

London = Check
30's = Check
Degree = nearly there
Depressed= ...

Hang on, how does this journalist know me? hmm

kotinka Thu 11-Apr-13 17:28:23

Message withdrawn at poster's request.

SarahStratton Thu 11-Apr-13 17:29:09

Only managed A'levels, spent far too much time mucking about. blush
Have never lived in London. Wouldn't want to either.
Don't wear Boden.
Single parent.
Pills? I practically rattle with em.

I would never expose my children the way she does. I actually find her quite disgusting for doing so.

AmandaPayneAteTooMuchChocolate Thu 11-Apr-13 17:32:02

I'd like that link too MmeLindor.

I haven't read the article as I'm not going to give them ad money for it, but if it is true, I think an intentional revenge hatchet job would be a low and cowardly thing to do. An inaccurate, low and cowardly thing to do.

How dare a group of women have opinions, about something other than raising their children. How dare a group of lively, engaged women, from all over the country, with all sorts of incomes and educational backgrounds have a robust and open exchange of ideas and debate issues.

I bloody lurrrve MN. Not just for the help people have given me along the way - like wailing about DD1's sleep or sourcing a decent kiddie wetsuit - but because I get to talk, intelligently, to people about proper issues and current affairs. Not something my life is overly blessed with at the moment as a SAHM.

Justine and HQ - It must be so galling to see MN bashed in the popular press. But, in the words of the West Wing's marvellous Charlie Young "if they're shooting at you, you know you're doing something right."

AmandaPayneAteTooMuchChocolate Thu 11-Apr-13 17:32:34

Sorry, cross post MmeLindor re the link.

MmeLindor Thu 11-Apr-13 17:33:46

Huff post reporting the DM spat with Holly

I like Holly. She seems to be a good egg.

morethanpotatoprints Thu 11-Apr-13 17:34:23

I too find her disgusting, her poor kids having mum wash her dirty laundry in public.
Oh how the mighty fall, we might not have much but what we do is paid for.
I think her and her dh are a bit thick actually.

Lessthanaballpark Thu 11-Apr-13 17:35:46

Why does everyone enjoy bashing MN? What is about our forum that's so different from others? Oh wait a minute .....

early 40's
Home counties
no money whatsover- born semi-posh but has been downhill since then!

MmeLindor Thu 11-Apr-13 17:35:58

lets not take pot shots at the journalist. It only gives them ammo

Phil Schofield's impassioned defence of Holly is great, isn't it?

YoniMontana Thu 11-Apr-13 17:39:09

No Prozac
NE Scotland

PetiteRaleuse Thu 11-Apr-13 17:42:43

That is an utterly vile piece about Holly W. She comes across as a genuinely nice person. Wow, that's one of the nastiest uncalled for articles I have seen in a while.

Squarepebbles Thu 11-Apr-13 17:44:41

Devon,43,poooooooor,1 degree,no Boden(well dc had a bit of Mini),defo not yummy or organic anymore<sobs>more Sainsbury Savers these days ie cupboards full of white and orange.

Did Shona not read the thread night before last re the poster who felt her life was worthless.Loads of us tried to help with the result being the op arranged a gp appointment.

Never a week(perhaps even a day)goes by without help and support being given.You know I've been flamed over the years,we all have but sometimes you just need a reality check in the form of a virtual slap to make things become clear which is often the aim when you start a thread in aibu in particular.

Surely you take the rough with the smooth with everything.

Also for every opinion there is a counter opinion as illustrated in the drugging children thread re Shona's drug bragging article.Plenty of people defended her actions.

And Shona you write for the Daily Mail- pot,kettle- with big buggering bells on!

greenandcabbagelooking Thu 11-Apr-13 17:44:41

20's, have a degree, not in London.

SmellieWellies Thu 11-Apr-13 17:44:52

I love Holly too.

And Justine MN.

And MN.

If it were not for MN, I would possibly be divorced (although tbh, it is still touch and go on occasion). MN lets me vent, allows me to see different perspectives, and among other things has enabled me to see things from my DH's point of view and my DM's point of view, making me a more tolerant person, and deffo happier, more mature and more grounded.

[sticks out tongue]

MyFace Thu 11-Apr-13 17:45:48

Hear, hear Amanda

MmeLindor very interesting blog and good advice about not posting on AIBU until one is used to the site.

For some reason Phillip Schofield has always slightly scared me..

SaskiaRembrandtVampireHunter Thu 11-Apr-13 17:46:28

I do have a degree, but I'm in Yorkshire (not a posh or trendy part though), in my 40s, have never taken Prozac, don't wear Boden, never been to a Starbucks or drunk a latte (coffee should be black and strong enough to keep the spoon upright IMO)

hotair Thu 11-Apr-13 17:47:58

not 30 just yet (come back next year weeps)
prozac actually and I'm in no-way ashamed of that. Nothing to do with having children though, just slightly wonky brain chemistry. My life has never been better than it is now to be honest! My children are ace.
Wales, but have lived in london in the past, and various other countries too.
I think very little of people who don't get mumsnet- but it is impossible to lower my opinion of the dm so....

MmeLindor Thu 11-Apr-13 17:50:04

Thanks MyFace

I that journalists are given a brief to find threads where MNetters are being nasty, and they will find something. 30,000 posts a day - of course there is going to be a few not so nice ones.

What a lot of people don't mention is that generally nasty posts are reported, or at least commented on. I have not seen totally one sided threads.

Aside from the DM NHS bashing thread. It was a classic.

diabolo Thu 11-Apr-13 17:50:19

Not me, 40 now, living in East Anglia but from oooop North originally, no degree sadly and only take Diazepam when I have to fly.

I love my life, my DH and my DS.

I've seen other people attempt to stereotype Mners but I don't meet those criteria either as I don't read the Guardian, am not left-wing nor do I make my own quiches.

No degree
Taking Prozac (to get over lack of degree)
Not in London

3/4 ain't bad!

And I like holly, get her on for a webchat! And Phil too!

Schofield doesn't have a journalism background either AFAIK; he has a music radio and sitting-in-the-broom-cupboard-with-Gordon-the-Gopher background. Yet Jon Whoeverheis reserves his bile for Holly on the basis that she's female and pretty. She's presenting This Morning not News At Ten -- she doesn't (and Phillip doesn't) need a journalistic background for that.

catgirl1976 Thu 11-Apr-13 17:55:02

30'S Yes
Degree Yes
Anti Ds Yes

London No

mid twenties, live in Scotland, have a degree, no prozac....nup, stereotype fail here too

The article about Holly Willoughby was utterly vile. Really nasty.

Jux Thu 11-Apr-13 17:57:01

Not London
1 child
No a-ds
Don't read the DM ('cos it's shite)

I hope you're beginning to enjoy this thread of fine defence and affirmation of the site as much as I am Justine !

Especially loving the comments about whether or not people are on Prozac - all showing in their different ways MNs characteristic warmth, humanity and empathy - and a mile apart from the type of chiched, narrow-minded judgement that fills the DM's pages smile

Southeastdweller Thu 11-Apr-13 18:00:33

Degree educated
Live in London
Not on Prozac though I'm sure some people think I should be

Fulfilled most of the stereotypes in her article and also in one of Christina Odone's, about the north London Starbucks. I'm a MN walking cliché <hangs head in shame>

I suppose I should be grateful for the fact I'm not a mummy grin

Oblomov Thu 11-Apr-13 18:05:10

Well, I think she has a point.
We all know she has.

I don't fit he category becasue:
I do: drink tea, like hobnobs.
But I am nowhere near 30, have 2 degrees, not feminist, not from norf london, no organic, no prozac, no boden.
But I am not a ymuumy mummy. I look like shona. wierd looking.

And I DO "resent loss identity, lack of short term gratificatin from motherhood brings".
I have all this anger and I have no idea where it comes from, because I was never angry when I first met dh.
Very odd.
Even I, once said a couple of really nasty things about Nigella Lawson, on MN. I wish I hadn't. And I am no fan of Amanda Holden.

But MN does have an angry nasty side. We all do know that this is true.

SarahStratton Thu 11-Apr-13 18:09:30

MN saved me when I failed my ATOS thingy. I quite simply couldn't have sorted things without MN, God alone knows what I would have done.

I love MN for that.

MmeLindor Thu 11-Apr-13 18:11:25

yes, MN does have a nasty side. Such is life.

I do think that it is challenged though, on the boards. Don't you?

dizzyhoneybee Thu 11-Apr-13 18:11:34

No, I don't meet any of that criteria; wrong age, location, not on any medication and I don't have the degree (yet)

Eastpoint Thu 11-Apr-13 18:11:50

45, no degree, no Prozac, Boden free, dislike Hobnobs, like my children BUT London.

dizzyhoneybee Thu 11-Apr-13 18:12:21

Oh, and who is Shona anyway?!

VerySmallSqueak Thu 11-Apr-13 18:14:06

Not London.
Not 30's.
No degree.
No pills.

HoneyDragon Thu 11-Apr-13 18:14:56

I'm 34

Not in London

I have a degree funded by Mrs Thatcher actually

I don't wear Boden

I am a British manufacturer and SAHM

In short I'm the Daills Mails wet dream, but I think they are a bunch of pointless cockwombles. So I hang here.

Justine. You're doing us all proud. Don't let the weasels get you down thanks

heronsfly Thu 11-Apr-13 18:15:01

50 (ish)
6 children
No a-ds
Dont read dm
No degree.

VerySmallSqueak Thu 11-Apr-13 18:15:52

Oh and,
Lovely kids.
2nd hand Boden but then,it's 2nd hand everything.
Biscuit free zone.

CorruptWalnut Thu 11-Apr-13 18:17:02

Mid 30's
South Yorkshire (in an area where no stamp duty was paid for our house due to it being classed as an area of deprivation)
No prozac

MmeLindor Thu 11-Apr-13 18:18:34

Can we get your mum on here? She sounds utterly fab.

duchesse Thu 11-Apr-13 18:19:56

No, no, yes and no.

Usual bimbo-written DM tripe.

Justine's Mum for a webchat Mme? grin

Flugelpip Thu 11-Apr-13 18:20:33

35, London, two children, not on Prozac but do have a bad DM-reading habit. I'm trying to kick it. I read the Boden catalogue but am too scruffy to spend that kind of money...

Is it controversial to say I feel sorry for Sibary? The DM sets her up to be a target and undoubtedly insists her kids are photographed with her in those cringey pics. opportunities for freelance journalists are limited and the DM pays very well. I also read a blog once (no link, sorry) about a novelist's experience of being rewritten in DM style. They edited her piece to be more provocative, to generate comments and page views. They are trolls, attention-seeking. Hate their editorial stance, not Shona.

"not on Prozac but do have a bad DM-reading habit. I'm trying to kick it." Flugel

See, that's the sort of wit and wisdom I love about this place grin

I bloody love tea and HobNobs (dark choc, please) and I do appear to be dressed from neck to ankle in Boden today. I'm 40, have a degree, don't live in London, and am no longer on Prozac - I'm on other medication for life, which is equally as interesting and worthy of comment, ie not in the least.

I'm a little concerned about my mental health though, as if there's nothing uplifting (what, not even the bra intervention threads??) and life-affirming about MN then I must have imagined WoollyHugs. Which is quite a weird thing to imagine (as opposed to, say, Matt Smith in his pants or something).

MmeLindor Thu 11-Apr-13 18:30:12

yes, agree with that assessment. I have read a blog about DM twisting a story, but can't remember the details. It was shocking but not surprising, if you know what I mean.

Yes, Sparkling. Let's have Justine's mum on for a webchat.

HoneyDragon Thu 11-Apr-13 18:30:57


Nope not controversial, I think I agree with you a bit.

I am in my twenties, have a degree, currently studying for a second degree while raising one, soon two, children. I live in a nice house in Greater London/Surrey and yes I like to spend money on naice things.

clam Thu 11-Apr-13 18:35:40

You seriously reckon Justine is going to let her mum anywhere near us lot?

I'd like to read the article even if it does add a few pennies to the DM's coffers ... I tried the link on page 2 but slightly weirdly it brought me back to this thread - wondering what that's all about ? And is there another link here somewhere I could use ?

hotair Thu 11-Apr-13 18:37:26

When people complain about mumsnet having a nasty side I always wonder what they must think of the rest of the internet- even the worst of mumsnet is more like a toddlers tea party than the cruelty-fests on most forums.

SarahStratton Thu 11-Apr-13 18:37:58

She might. hmm <doubtful>

Where are the sidekicks, Jiz and whatserfaceIlovemyself with Asterix the gun toting OH? Why aren't they on the bandwagon?

Late 20s, Home Counties, yes to degree but no prozac yet

zzzzz Thu 11-Apr-13 18:39:32

Only the degree bit fits me, and that was a looooong tim ago and not exactly life defining.

clam Thu 11-Apr-13 18:40:13

Well, I would say that the doghouse is one of the most, shall we say outspoken of sections (apart from AIBU of course) but SS would be OK on there because it looks like she has dogs that would pass the entry test i.e. not a poodle cross

Fluffycloudland77 Thu 11-Apr-13 18:44:59

In Derbyshire.

In 30's.

Have a degree.

Not taken Prozac.

PolkaDotCups Thu 11-Apr-13 18:45:39

In my 30s, two degrees and live in the South East. I'm partial to the odd Hobnob and my DD is currently wearing Boden.

Equally, I went back to work when she was 9 weeks old for fear of losing my job and actually got some good advice and support on here. People were lovely when I posted in a state about breastfeeding and totally non judgemental. I did manage to conquer it and EBF for 6 months but was told on here that happy mother equals happy baby.

I'm sure there are nasty bullying types on here; I don't have to read their posts. With any huge group of people you don't expect to like everyone, you don't expect everyone to be lovely. Unlike everyday life it's really easy to ignore the things in here you don't want to read ...

EmpressOfTheSevenOceans Thu 11-Apr-13 18:48:33

London, degree, 30s (for the next few months anyway).
Not on pills, love my job and DW and DD are pretty good too.

ouryve Thu 11-Apr-13 18:48:44

I have a degree. That's it.

OrangeFootedScrubfowl Thu 11-Apr-13 18:49:34

30s, Up North, no prozac, no Boden, no degree and no iron. Oh no hobnobs either.
Gosh I have nothing! I feel like a bit of an underachiever now. Might buy some hobnobs.

Xenia Thu 11-Apr-13 18:49:46

I haven't heard of that person Shona but not in my 30s any more, degree, London. I think it is hard to generalise about posters, as there are so many different people who post. Lots of all kinds.

I am in the Thatcher supporter club as it were, free market libertarian, flat taxer, want women working full time in power with lots of money, never part timers or housewives, feminist etc and not everyone is like I am ( although obviously they should be and when I have done my work they all shall be... laughing as I type).

It is a good thing to hear different views.

Oh and an un-Mumsnetty LOL @ Justine's Patricia Hodge impersonating Mother grin

40s, no London, two degrees - woop

No prozac. Why take Prozac when you've got Mumsnet?

MrsMaryCooper Thu 11-Apr-13 18:53:49

Not in 30's,
not in London,
2 degrees plus professional qualification,
I do have some Boden,
but I don't eat Hobnobs.

I drink a lot of tea but not with anti - depressants.

"It is a good thing to hear different views" Xenia

shock Could it be that we've all made an albeit very small impression on your views too Xenia ?! wink

Xenia Thu 11-Apr-13 18:55:54

Of course. I listen. My whole life is a learning curve. It is what makes life exciting.

However people with depression need to go on to the eating threads. There is causation between a diet high in sugar, chocolates, hob nobs and blood sugar shooting up and down. If they ate lots of veg and fish and eggs and other whole foods they would not need the prozac particularly if they work full time which is what tends to make most mothers a lot happier.

Mirage Thu 11-Apr-13 18:56:09

no degree
live in the countryside
run my own business
Take anti depressants
never heard of the silly woman.

RedToothBrush Thu 11-Apr-13 18:56:47

We’ve all come across the kind of women who spout it. They’re the ones at the school gates whose Darling Daughter and Darling Son are always in perfectly ironed uniforms clutching organic lunches.

Probably, behind closed doors, they’re popping Prozac and deeply resenting the loss of identity and lack of short-term gratification that motherhood brings.

Well I'd like to know WHERE THE FUCK do I fit in.

I don't even HAVE kids.

Its all very well having a pop at everyone else having a chip on their shoulder... and then writing an article like that.

But the vile outpourings from this cliquey, elitist bunch of witches were staggering to read

I'd like to ask why its ok to have a go at people having mental health problems and in need of prozac... whilst also saying its a site that is liable to prompt suicides (a comment that I note has now been removed) Hmm... yes...

Irony. Much?

Its an article dripping in comic genius as a result and I'm pissing myself laughing at the amendments that have been forced by Justine's email.

I'd also like to point out to Shona if she has a problem with many of the posts she describes that there is a little button called 'report' as a lot of them would break talk guidelines, if they are exactly how she describes.

Its very easy to use...

b4bunnies Thu 11-Apr-13 18:58:33

not me.

fifty five, live in the north, have a degree, don't take ads, don't have a shit life and no children living at home, though daughter, son in law and grandaughter live nearby. i like tea and used to like plain hobnobs (do they still make them?). nothing from boden.

mumsnet does have a nasty side. but worse than the nastiness and hounding is the 'head in the sand, you can only say things we like' attitude.
when information is considered 'too much' for mners, it is removed, even if mners ought to know.

Well I agree with your first line there Xenia - I hope I'm a life long learner too smile

Also happy to listen to your advice about the benefits of a good diet, mmm - yummy veg and fish and eggs sounds good smile - though don't think it will be the whole answer for many.

Advice about work ? Not so much - because we're all different for one thing, and the work place has a long way to go before it's a truly family friendly and woman friendly place to be. Until then we all have to juggle our way through life and work as seems best to us at the time !

Xenia Thu 11-Apr-13 19:05:28

Depends what you mean by woman friendly. Many many women want money and power and to get to the top and like working long hours in work they adore. We do not all want to work 3 hours a day and spend the rest cleaning sick off a child and ironing the shirts of an ungrateful man - the latter is not nirvana for anyone with half a brain who wants a balanced and fun life. I do though advocate people work for themselves - so you keep 100% of your profits and in a sense eat what you kill.

HoneyDragon Thu 11-Apr-13 19:07:16

Eat healthy and work hard? Do I have to? <<put upon face>>

miffybun73 Thu 11-Apr-13 19:07:41

30s, but only for another couple of months, live in NW England, degree. No Prozac and loving being a SAHM for the time being smile

ClaraOswinOswald Thu 11-Apr-13 19:07:56

In my thirties, perfectly turned out children, handmade organic intricately carved bento boxes for lunch, lots of Boden, yep that's me.
Disclaimer: only 1 of the above is true.

I don't do ironing. And yes I hate it when my DCs are sick, but that's mostly because I'm worried about them. I think working 3 hours a day is about perfect for my life ATM - as long as it's term time only wink

ReluctantlyBeingYoniMassaged Thu 11-Apr-13 19:12:31

The description in the OP is me' key pet I moved away from London six years ago and I take Citalopram, not Prozac. Oh dear.

flatmum Thu 11-Apr-13 19:13:42

40s home counties 2 degrees kids but no prozac

Late 30s, degree, south coast, drugs <lots> wink

BitBewildered Thu 11-Apr-13 19:19:38

35, Londoner living in the NE, currently doing a degree, no prescription drugs.

40s, out West, do have a degree, work FT, shop in topshop, never worn any Boden, no hobnobs.


Or maybe hobnobs. But love a knob around the hob too.


ISpyPlumPie Thu 11-Apr-13 19:24:45

30s, degree - check. I am however very Northen. Still, to quote Meatloaf, two out of three aint bad. she's still speaking a load of shite in general though

So, I'm guessing the DM knows it's got no hope of keeping any readers who .... are graduates, live in the big smoke, frequent Mumsnet, think about life enough to be sometimes depressed by what they see !

So, going more for the un-informed country dweller who can be spoon-fed and never breast-fed their opinion in a handy tabloid is that about it ?

"no prescription drugs" grin @ Bewildered

JustineMumsnet (MNHQ) Thu 11-Apr-13 19:31:07


Yes, Sparkling. Let's have Justine's mum on for a webchat.

Or let's not.

DamselWithADulcimer Thu 11-Apr-13 19:32:02

40, nowhere near London, with doctorate, SAHM and v happy. Can't afford Boden due to school fees. Find MN a horrible, cliquey, bullying place and agree with Shona on that score (though disagree with everything else she says).

Flosshilde Thu 11-Apr-13 19:35:13

30s, 2 degrees, sister lives in London, wouldn't be seen dead in Boden, was on Prozac for 9mo a few years ago (pre DCs). Currently breastfeeding and therefore intake of choccy biccies of all types is through the roof.

Orangerevel Thu 11-Apr-13 19:35:58

No degree
No pills just wine

ClaraOswald Thu 11-Apr-13 19:39:22

Would she tell us all sorts of embarrassing stories about when you were a toddler Justine?

Go on, bring her in.

dothraki Thu 11-Apr-13 19:42:06

Too old for Uggs
Used to live in London - but managed to escape
No degree
No prozac
No hobnobs
Boden - I don't think so
Far too young to read the Daily Fail
and whats all this crossing out business

welcometomysillylife Thu 11-Apr-13 19:42:34

1 degree
used to live in london, miss it every day
did buy boden once but too expensive for me now even in the sales
can't buy biscuits as eat the whole packet in one go

mumofthemonsters808 Thu 11-Apr-13 19:45:44

Age 40, got a degree,live in Manchester,no pills. Never breastfed or wore Boden, children go to state schools, read the DMail.

cuppateaanyone Thu 11-Apr-13 19:48:47

35, no degree, not living in London and the nearest I came to pills was years before DS.

idonthaveone Thu 11-Apr-13 19:49:13

Home counties , degree no prozac early 40s shock shock

moggiek Thu 11-Apr-13 19:50:17

two degrees

What is this Daily Mail of which you speak .....?

ediblewoman Thu 11-Apr-13 19:59:45

Great response Justine.

I am in my 30s, have a degree and postgrads and live in Bright

LaundryFairy Thu 11-Apr-13 20:03:12

West Country
2 degrees
No Boden
Shopping list today contained the item 'naice ham'

MrSlant Thu 11-Apr-13 20:04:42

What is this 'ironing' everyone keeps talking about?

Feelingood Thu 11-Apr-13 20:06:50

West Midlands (originally from up North)
Doing second degree now.

I didn't know who she was but I knows who regular posters are on here so go figure that then.

She used the word 'housewife'.

It's ironic she defended herself by retaliating in such a... err nasty manner about the site and certain posters. She has undermined any points about that thread by using her position to do same.

She acknowledges she is controversial then why doesn't she defend articles POV, that were being attacked on thread in the article today.

Did I detect a 'knew it was comming' in some of the phrasing in Jusitnes email.

Iggity Thu 11-Apr-13 20:12:34

Sort of. Am in London with post-grad degree, in my 30s, minimal Boden as I can now spot it a mile away. I don't live in Muswell Hill and I work full-time. No pills but I probably could do with some. I post very little on Mumsnet but I do enjoy reading some of the funny threads rather than the ones where the OP is being pulled to pieces.

Feelingood Thu 11-Apr-13 20:12:44

Oh I did have PND but I used self help strategies.

Can I stay?

Feelingood Thu 11-Apr-13 20:13:36

That'd be the ironing services of us middlerclassers!

fapl Thu 11-Apr-13 20:14:08

I live in London, in my mid thirties and have a degree grin

But... WAAAAAH! I never get to drink steaming tea! The tea I end up drinking is, at best, lukewarm, usually tepid. I wanna be the mumsnetter that is being described that drinks steaming tea <stomps feet>.

cupatea grin

2 degrees, 2 DDs, no Prozac but the odd diazepam, no Boden, dark choc digestives live up from London.
So don't really fit either!

melika Thu 11-Apr-13 20:18:29

I'm really old, late forties. No degree. Live 120 miles away from London. Have never took a tranq.( prefer a glass of dry white)!

No I don't fit.

Shakey1500 Thu 11-Apr-13 20:21:54

Happy to add to the list...

No Prozac
No degree (except minus lots of them what with being in Wales and all...)

melika Thu 11-Apr-13 20:24:29

But where's the link, can't find it?

<psst> Prozac is a brand name, fluoxetine is the proper name now

MyFace Thu 11-Apr-13 20:30:18

fapl, I think we can blame this all on you, leave for the sake of MNers I beg you, you're showing us up wink

olivertheoctopus Thu 11-Apr-13 20:34:01

30's, have degree, not in London, no Prozac. What do you expect from the Daily Fail other than vitriol?!

Chockyeggpants Thu 11-Apr-13 20:36:21

1 DD
1 degree.
No pills.
Sweary and arsey.

thermalsinapril Thu 11-Apr-13 20:44:24

Xenia, your comments about depression aren't helpful or accurate I'm afraid. It's perfectly possible for clinical depression to strike someone despite their fulfilling job and low G.I. diet.

pointythings Thu 11-Apr-13 20:46:20

In East Anglia.
Not a Boden in sight.
Not at all bitter, ridiculously happy in fact.

Fabulous response, Justine.

coffeeinbed Thu 11-Apr-13 20:55:39

Xenia, what are you on about?
Depression is an illness, bugger the fish and greens.
You sound like Tom Cruise and the vitamin pills for PND.

maryz Thu 11-Apr-13 20:57:33

I have only just seen this thread.

And the A&E thread.

I love Mumsnet [contented sigh]

And I too would enjoy seeing Justine's mum on a webchat.

Feelingood Thu 11-Apr-13 20:58:49

Seconds what marls said.

I really hope you never get depressed Xenia cos that ain't gonna work, if it was that fecking easy don't you think we would all know bout that and depression would be a thing of the past.

Id be laughing so much but my blood is boiling.

Must remember not to read your posts unrealistic.

Many many women seek money and power.....oh ffs.

Lucyellensmum95 Thu 11-Apr-13 20:59:01

Xenia - you don't change do you, you are one of the most hilarious posters on here!

maryz Thu 11-Apr-13 21:05:56

I think xenia should write a book.

After all, she has the answers to all of life's problems. And knows everything. And is always right.

I see a lot of "I am a pompous know-it-all and if you buy my book you can be one too" books on the shelves atm, and it seems to be a lucrative business.

Feelingood Thu 11-Apr-13 21:11:47

Nothing funny about belittling mental health illnesses to diet cures alone.

Shaky Thu 11-Apr-13 21:14:04

I'll add to the list.


North Wales


No boden

Hell yes, to Prozac!

Finding MN and the fantastic support in the puddle literally saved my life when I was very ill with depression. I will be eternally grateful to these friends who have supported me through my darkest days, made me laugh, smile and basically helped me to go on living.

There are currently 6 people whom I have never met who are wearing jewellery I have made and sent out as gifts due to MN.