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Should parents do dangerous jobs?

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Jbr · 01/09/2002 22:07

Specifically, mothers get more criticised for doing jobs which can be classed as dangerous or which take them away from home, or even for working at all!

I read this in The Guardian.

"'I loved her because she wanted to climb the highest peak. That's who she was'

When Alison Hargreaves died on K2 seven years ago, her husband, James Ballard, faced a barrage of comment about her fitness as a mother. He talks to Josie Barnard

Wednesday August 28, 2002
The Guardian

If a woman is brilliant in a profession that is dangerous and she becomes a mother, how old do her children have to be before it is acceptable for her to return to work? This is the question that James Ballard had to face after his wife, the mountaineer Alison Hargreaves, died while climbing K2 seven years ago, when their children were aged four and six.

In May 1995, Hargreaves became the first woman to make it to the summit of Everest alone, unsupported and without any artificial oxygen. She received almost universal praise. "One of the greatest climbs in history," declared the front page of the Times. But, just three months later, having successfully reached the summit of K2, Hargreaves died on the way down - and was criticised in the media for having "left" her two children.

The criticism did not start straight away. Ballard says that, at first, the response to the death of his wife and the six others who died with her on K2 was just shock. "But then I didn't respond emotionally, and the media wheeled out the psychologists who asked why I didn't break down. The next stage was everyone saying she shouldn't have left the children." Not that Ballard refutes the word "left". "She knew the risks attached to her profession, and so did I."

The chances of dying during an unassisted climb up mountains such as K2 and Everest are something around one in four. Indeed, Ballard was asked why he had let her go in the first place. "How could I have stopped her? I loved Alison because she wanted to climb the highest peak her skills would allow her to. That's who she was."

After her death, he received a number of letters from women whose children had grown up and left home, who regretted "wasting" so much of their lives and envied Hargreaves's personal ambition and achievement. "Everybody has the right to live their own lives," he says.

Now, though, Ballard is a single father, and bound by school hours and holidays. He still climbs, mainly in Scotland, where he lives. He has to juggle earning a living - through writing and photography - with his commitment to do his best by Tom, now 13, and Kate, 11. But he has kept his promise to Alison to raise his children as adventurously as they had planned to together: the three of them ski, go mountain-biking and travel together (they spent this summer in France, and winter in South America). In a way, he says, he is more cavalier as a parent than Alison was.

"We were in Pately Bridge in Yorkshire not long after Tom was born, and we fancied something to eat, so Alison went to get fish and chips while I went to the park with Tom," he recalls. "I was pushing him on the swing, and suddenly there was this hoo-ha behind me. Alison was running, bellowing at me to be careful - this is the woman who climbed the Eiger while she was six months pregnant with Tom and I'm getting an earful for pushing him too high on a swing in Pately Bridge."

The loss of a mother (sic) under any circumstances is extremely hard on her children. Like so many single-parent families which have suffered such an experience, James, Tom and Kate have become a tight unit as a result - "so close you couldn't slip a playing card between us". But Ballard works hard to remain emotionally open. If the children ask about going to a particular country with their mother when they were small, he tries to talk about the trip as matter-of-factly as he would if she were still alive. If the children ask what she would have thought about something, he will come up with as accurate an answer as possible.

"It's often the little things that give me the problems," he admits. "Like getting Kate the right conditioner and her hair cut at the right time to stop her getting split ends. But it's not rocket science. I can learn it."

The October after Hargreaves's death, the family went on a trip to K2, retracing her footsteps, and Ballard says it helped the children enormously to see their mother's resting place. "I mean, you couldn't have a much better cenotaph to someone than one of the highest mountains in the world."

The journey was filmed for a BBC documentary. Even though they were used to such expeditions (they had spent three months the previous year living as a family on a glacier on the Nepalese side of Everest), Ballard was criticised for endangering his children's lives. And then the news broke that there had been a marital rift at the time Hargreaves left to climb K2. The story came from an interview he didn't even know she had given in a specialist American magazine. "It's just one of those time bombs that life sends you," says Ballard now.

Would their marriage have lasted? Ballard says he has no way of knowing. What seems clear is that the kind of disagreement that can happen in any marriage was blown out of proportion by the circumstances in which it was made public. But Ballard says that the fact that Hargreaves died "doing something heroic rather than crossing the road on the way to the supermarket" has made her death easier to bear.

Still, he is disappointed by how little things have changed for women who want to succeed in their careers, not only dangerous ones. "I mean, there aren't even any female snooker players yet." He points to this year's Management Today survey of Britain's 50 most powerful women, which found that at least one third are childless, while almost all their male counterparts are fathers. "I just hope that there was a point to Alison's death and that, in the long term, what she achieved will help shift attitudes."

Meanwhile, he will continue to raise his children as best he can. Kate, when she was asked what she wanted to be when she grew up, once replied, "a horse-riding air hostess who climbs at weekends". And Tom has always wanted to be, simply, a climber. Ballard has not been inhibited by Hargreaves's death, ensuring instead that their children live full lives, which will enable them to assess risk for themselves. All the same, he says, watching them climb can be unnerving.

"Kate looks very like her mother and moves like her too, very graceful - it can be like watching water flowing down steps. They are both very adventurous, Tom in particular. Sometimes, I do wonder if a thunderbolt is going to come down to tell me I'm letting them go too far. Goodness knows how Alison would take it that they are climbing."

Does he have any regrets? He says that if he had somehow known Alison was going to die on K2, he would have gone with her so that the children would have had a few more months with their mother. But then he changes his mind. "Tom had just started nursery and Kate had started playgroup, and they needed that stability. It helped them a lot. So, no, I don't regret her going to K2. All I can be sure of is that she was as happy as she could have been at the moment she died. Three months after scaling Everest, she'd summited K2, and I imagine her head must have been full as she was looking round trying to take in this unbelievable view. She was where she had always wanted to be."

He's so right about women not working in high positions.

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Rhubarb · 02/09/2002 16:58

I never understood why parents took such risks before I had my own child. Then I understood completely. You put your life on hold to care for your child, every decision you take is made with them in mind, they dictate your holidays, what time you get up in the mornings, what you eat, what you watch on telly, etc. Then there comes a time when you just want to do something for you, a challenge to rediscover the you that got swallowed up with child-rearing. It's like you are saying "I know I am a mother, but I am also an individual with desires, ambitions and needs and I'm going to prove it". I would never climb a dangerous mountain or trek across the North Pole, all too energetic for me! But now I would never condemn those who choose to do that.

Those people who do criticise have obviously never been stuck at home with a grotchy 2 year old who's just pooed her knickers, won't eat her food, doesn't want to do anything you suggest, whinges constantly and is in danger of being left at the police station (just joking!). Sometimes I would love to get away from it all!

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mines · 02/09/2002 20:26

Oh yes, this is a pet peeve of mine - I remember having a huge (drunken) arguement with a colleague about it when Alison Hargreaves died. But I didn't have DS then.

So now as an 'experienced' (hah) mother what do I think? Well, for one it is obviously and grossly unfair that fathers do not get criticised for doing dangerous sports but mothers do. And I agree with Rhubarb that to never take any challenges for yourself because you have children is shortchanging not just yourself, but them too.

But still, to climb Everest or K2 when they are so small and you know there is an extremely strong chance of dying....I wouldn't do it (also, it's fair to point out, I couldn't do it!) even if it was my job and my living.

That's my personal choice though, and actually I think the world is a better place for people like Alison Hargreaves, because it gives us other mums something to aspire to.

My apologies if this doesn't make much sense - I'm having a happy evening with a wine box for company!

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Alibubbles · 02/09/2002 22:18

I have a friend who is a stunt woman, she was always endangering her life every day that she worked and loved the thrill of it. I often used to wonder what would happen if something happened to her as I used to look after her daughter for days and sometimes weeks at a time.
She does all the stunts on the Bond films, doubled Kate Winslet in Titanic, did Superman, doubles in casualty etc, anything dangerous, she also did the US Diana film and threw herself downstairs when her daughter was only 8 weeks old, fortunately she only broke a finger!

She's still doing it 10 years on,has no close family and is divorced from the child's father. I worry about the child and her future.

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Azzie · 03/09/2002 06:36

Dh and I met through our passion for a (considered by many but not by us) dangerous sport, and I've given a lot of thought to my attitude to it since ds and dd were born. My feelings now are that I still want to do it because it's an important part of who I am. However I would think twice about dh and I undertaking the riskier aspects of it together these days, just in case.

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Rhubarb · 03/09/2002 15:46

But couldn't these mothers just as easily be run over by a bus, as Alison's husband said, or have a car crash? Each time we step out of the house we are taking a risk, that increases if we drive a car and so on. These women obviously don't think that they are going to die, they prepare themselves well enough so that the risk is a calcuable one. But no-one can prepare themselves for unforeseen events or happenings, either up a mountain or on the high street. I say good on them and I just wish I could join them!

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Philippat · 03/09/2002 16:07

Like Rhubard says, life is dangerous, you can't predict when or at what stage in your child's life you will die. My grandparents died after my dad and I think that was harder for them.

I think doing a job you love is more important (whatever it is - it might be being a SAHM) for your children than worrying about your death.

However, having said that, I think all parents should plan for what might happen to their children if they do die before the kids are independent.

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threeangels · 03/09/2002 17:13

I would never put myself at risk knowing I could end up leaving my children motherless living in this awful world. I am resposible of raising my children and putting their needs first and making sure I'm here as long as possible for them. This means not purposely putting your life at risk.

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Jbr · 03/09/2002 19:29

The thing is some people think it's wrong full stop for a mother - even any woman! - to have a job. I've even heard men talk about "us" taking "their" jobs.

Ali, that sounds like a great job. I couldn't do it, wouldn't want to. Kids or no kids.

Men can do what they like though of course - nobody "suggests" gently to them they might like to quit their job...

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aloha · 03/09/2002 19:30

I think you are considerably more likely to die on Everest than on Camberwell High Street. I don't know the stats but I think a huge proportion of climbers die on mountains. I think that is irresponsible. Of course, you can't cut out all risk in life (though I do think people who bunjee jump are quite, quite mad).

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WideWebWitch · 03/09/2002 19:48

Would anyone have critised Alison Hargreaves' husband had he died in the same way? I suspect not.

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Rhubarb · 03/09/2002 20:53

Good point well put WWW! Doesn't a father have such a duty and responsibility to make sure he is on this earth for as long as possible too? It's not that these mothers are purposely putting their lives at risk, they are doing something they love and something they have spent months, if not years, training and preparing for with every intention of returning to their kids once again. If we say mothers should not take risks, how about Policewomen or Firefighters?

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Jbr · 03/09/2002 22:50

That was the main point of the first post really. Would anyone have criticised the husband?

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SueDonim · 04/09/2002 07:10

I'm not sure this criticism exists all that much. My DH worked offshore (a high risk environment) for years with a woman geologist. She has two children, one of whom has cystic fibrosis. The only person who criticised her decison was her mother, and even she came round to the extent that she helped take care of the children. None of the offshore workers ever felt that G shouldn't be there, and that is in a notoriously macho environment.

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Jbr · 04/09/2002 15:08

I don't think that's something to be congratulated though to be honest Sue. I should hope they don't criticise her.

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Rhubarb · 04/09/2002 15:30

Jbr - think of it as educating children, they need encouragement and congratulations when they do anything right!

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SueDonim · 05/09/2002 06:57

I wasn't congratulating anyone, Jbr, just stating facts.

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