Ebay Postage seems so high............

(69 Posts)
anniebear Sun 29-Oct-06 18:39:46

anyone else notice how high the postage seems on clothes?

I have been looking at dresses for a 5 year old and the p&P for quite a lot are between £2.50 and £3.50

It would probably only cost £1 to send then the padded envelope if needed

I started looking on E Bay a while ago now and people didn't seem to try and make money on postage then

Just my waffling thoughts lol

twinklemegan Sun 29-Oct-06 18:45:36

Yes I've noticed this as well when I've been looking a nappy covers. But I've also noticed there are generally fewer bids on items where the postage cost is excessive - it certainly puts me off bidding. It annoys me because when I sell things I try to be fair and usually end up underestimating the cost.

mustcackleorsuckbloodmore Sun 29-Oct-06 18:51:57

Yes, it often is. But because you just consider the total cost, who cares which bit is buying price and which bit is postage? It all evens out in the end.

I sold some play things a while ago and over estimated the postage by £7 . But to be fair, the buyer sent me an extra 2.50 on top of my charged amount too, because he thought it'd be even more than I thought! I did send him the £7 back BTW.

3andnomore Sun 29-Oct-06 18:57:35

I think that is where you really have to look out wiht E-bay and really have to look at the total cost and see if the item would still be a bargain and therefore worth it, iykwim!
E-bay can be fab for Bargains, but you really have to keep a cool head and consider many factors like, how easily available is a item elsewhere and how much would it cost, etc.....!

misdee Sun 29-Oct-06 19:11:39

since the new pricing it has become more expensive to post things.

anniebear Sun 29-Oct-06 19:25:09

never thought of that Misdee

but I did notice before that that the prices werer way ott

flack Sun 29-Oct-06 19:27:33

Ebay doesn't charge commission on postage, it's a way to make a little more profit. Sellers can charge anything they like as long as it isn't obviously excessive on postage. So most sellers pad it up at least a little.

Skribble Sun 29-Oct-06 19:42:37

Postage for a item of clothing at cheapest would be £1 first class but only if it is under 100g.

Ive just weighed a long sleeve t-shirt plus packaging and it would cost £1.27, plus price of packaging 30p, trip to PO, etc etc.

I always put it a little bit over to cover these hidden costs. Ebay charge commision as do paypal so seller loses quite a bit in fees, so it can help to soften the effect of that.

I find I over estimate some and under estimate other things so it evens out in the end.

anniebear Sun 29-Oct-06 21:03:07

I know sellers can charge what they want

when ever I sell anything I just charged for P&P and no extra

it puts me off bidding when a dess has a P&P of £3.50!

notasheep Sun 29-Oct-06 21:04:31

greedy buggers

sorrell Sun 29-Oct-06 21:06:01

Postage is really, really expensive now. I sold a few bits and charged that for postage, and with the cost of a padded envelope, I made a loss on the postage.

LadyDooM Sun 29-Oct-06 21:06:24

I can never seem to win anything, because people seem to only want to bid in the last 15 seconds :S

SoMuchToBats Sun 29-Oct-06 21:11:52

I sell stuff on eBay from time to time. I charge the correct weight (having weighed the item), then add a bit to cover:- Packaging, Ebay fees, Paypal fees. I still think what I charge for poatage is reasonable, and I will always combine postage for multiple wins, even though it is not necessarily beneficial to me. No one has queried my postage costs so far. Basically, I am not out to rip anyone off, but do need to consider my own costs when I list items. I think this is quite fair.

twinklemegan Sun 29-Oct-06 22:54:08

That is the way to do it though, LadyDoom. The people who bid hours or even days before the auction closes just drive up the eventual selling price for themselves or whoever else wins the item. I witnessed one recently where two people were bidding against each other for three hours before the auction ended!

We can no longer add on a bit for Paypal fees which are exhorbitant so you have to include all your fees in the postage. I buy sticky address labels, printed labels with my return address on and the plastic bags I send out in cost about 20p each.

I know some people do go mad on the postage as they dont't have to pay Ebay commission on it so it's better value to sell something for 99p with £3.00 postage than the other way round.

melpomene Sun 29-Oct-06 23:06:43

Another way of thinking about it is that if you buy something online from a company (outside of eBay) you're likely to be paying £3.95 absolute minimum for postage and packing (usually more).

anniebear Mon 30-Oct-06 08:23:32

twinklemegan, were you bored that day lol lol

Skribble Mon 30-Oct-06 09:33:24

I think what I add on is reasonable, well it is Postage and Packing after all . It something to check before you bid as I have seen some with crazy P&P, so make sure you are happy to pay what they quote first.

izzybiz Mon 30-Oct-06 11:14:26

I bought a thin cotton summer dress for Dd age 2, and was charged £6.00 postage!
When it arrived the postage label said £1 odd.
The dress itself only cost 99p though and it was from GAP and like new so was probably still a bagain, but even so!

As a regular seller on Ebay I do charge more for postage. I got caught out initally as by the time I'd paid Ebay and Paypal fees I'd be making a loss so charging postage is sometimes the only viable way of breaking even or making a small profit. As long as the seller is up front about the costs then buyers don't have to bid if they think it's too much. I buy things too and don't mind paying more postage for having something delivered direct to my door instead of having to get in the car to go and trawl through the shops

Flamebat Mon 30-Oct-06 11:26:28

You can report extortionate postage charges because it is against the seller rules. I have always tried to be very very fair with mine (even to the extent of refunding anything over 50p that I feel was too much).

I remember Psychomum being charged silly amounts for ballet costume postage (and refusing to combine for multiple items) and the woman actually TELLING her that she charges really high postage because she sells things so cheap it isn't worth her while otherwise, which IMO is wrong.

Maybe I'm just too soft

anniebear Mon 30-Oct-06 13:16:26

I sometimes wqonder do the clothes particulary not always sell for as much anymore so they whack the P&P up instead

tissy Mon 30-Oct-06 13:25:16

Voluptua, I think what you're doing is rather underhand...you know about the Ebay and Paypal fees before you list the item- the Ebay fees equate to paying for advertising, and Paypal means that you can see the money going into your account, you don't have to travel to the bank to pay in a cheque or wait for it to clear. You seem to be expecting that both of these services should be free! Why not start your item at a higher price to account for the fees then? Because you know that people will bid if they see a low starting price and oftentimes not check the postage till after the auction is closed. I for one will not bid for an item if I think the postage is too high (unless the item is a one- off, it's easy to check back on completed listings to see what other people have charged.

When I have received items where the postage has been obviously higher than is reasonable, I have left a message to that effect in the feedback- it's only fair to other buyers- you can still leave positive feedback-(item as described arrived quickly) so as not to get into a feedback wrangle with the seller.

twinklemegan Mon 30-Oct-06 13:44:02

Thanks for that Anniebear - I'm not that sad! I checked the bid history cos I really wanted the item (and I won it in the end).

FIMBOnABroomstick Mon 30-Oct-06 13:53:44

I bought a shrug from Ebay for 99p for my dd, it was bnwt from Gap and I honestly never expected to win it for 99p but I did. The postage quoted was £3.50 which was fair enough but when the parcel arrived it only cost 37p. I gave positive feedback but said I was ripped off over postage. I received a really venomous email from the seller with lots of nasty personal insults. The whole experience left a nasty taste in my mouth and I am very wary about what I buy now.

Iklboo Mon 30-Oct-06 13:56:00

We try and check weight/size on the Royal Mail website before putting a postage price on, add a little extra for wrapping, but usually we end up about right or under-estimating postage. Some people put in sums for theor time going to post office to post it etc

23balloons Mon 30-Oct-06 14:04:11

I feel bad now. I hardly ever sell on ebay (last time last xmas) but this w/e I have sold 5 dvd box sets. I tried to work out the postage fairly from the leaflets I had but because they were all more than 25mm thick I assumed I would have to send them parcel post - cheapest price on my leaflet £3.85 and this is what I listed the postage as. When I acutally posted them this morning they were quite a bit cheaper - £1.75 I think. I didn't do it intentionally but most other similar sets had the same or more postage listed so I don't feel inclined to give a refund.

I often buy things and usually the actual postage cost is cheaper than I have paid but I figure if the postage was a problem I wouldn't have bid. I would never leave negative feedback comments because of it.

southeastastra Mon 30-Oct-06 14:08:25

you have to take into account the packaging and time spent to actually post the item. 23ballons that doesn't sound bad! if you don't agree with the postage costs don't bid! and don't leave feedback comments about it without contacting the seller first.

throckenholt Mon 30-Oct-06 14:11:30

another thing - maybe people need to make a special journey to the post office - they should be able to claim something towards that.

I generally agree with the - don't bid if you think it is too much - approach.

quanglewangle Mon 30-Oct-06 14:15:20

I do what Voluptua does, not underhand at all.

If something goes for, say, only 99p a huge proportion of that goes on charges and it just isn't worth the time and effort unles you try to recoup some of it on postage and packing. I do try and make some money otherwise there isn;t any point, easier to send stuff to the dump.

And please don't forget the packing. It can take ages to pack something safely as well, as maybe having to buy the packing material. ebay policy allows sellers to charge for time, as long as it isn't extortionate.

And buyers know exactly what they are bidding for. All upfront.

tissy Mon 30-Oct-06 14:20:11

I have had items arrive in clearly re-used plastic envelopes or Jiffy bags- no problem with that at all, but I would object if someone charged me way more than the actual cost of postage and packing- why shouldn't I? And as for charging for your time and effort getting to the post office- how exactly do you calculate that then?

I am not being underhand - I am totally upfront about the postage. I don't overcharge by huge amounts (we're talking £1 at most) but it is a lot of time and effort to package things carefully, especially with 2 toddlers in tow. I have 100% positive feedback so whoever is buying my items are obviously not concerned about the postage.

Also, I do not expect Ebay or Paypal to be free but nor do I expect to use my time and resources to giving someone something for absolutely nothing or at a cost to me.

What I do is done by probably the majority of Ebay sellers and is generally accepted. This is probably why Ebay list the full costs inc postage in a summaryfor the benefit of those who cannot read properly.
If you think the postage is too high then do not bid - no one is forcing you to buy something that you think is too pricey. Equally I probably buy the same amount as I sell and I'm happy to pay the postage for something I truly want

tissy Mon 30-Oct-06 14:44:50

so, how do you charge for time, then?

I would say that Fimbo was ripped off over postage- she was charged £3.50 for something that cost 37p to post....even if you add the price of a top quality brand new Jiffy bag, not bought in bulk, it still doesn't come to that much.

skerriesmum Mon 30-Oct-06 14:45:32

As an aside, how much do eBay actually charge for listing an item? I had a bad experience lately as well but we sorted it out when the seller got her listing fees and FVFs(?!) back.

Ebay charges depend on various factors - there is a minimum charge of 35p I believe but an additional fee of 15p if you include a photo. There are other charges depending on how fancy you want your ad to be. But, on top of that, Ebay also take a cut when the item is sold. This is a percentage of how much the item went for (checking to find out exactly how much this %is). In addition to that Paypal take a cut of the final selling fee too.

If I am selling anything, the minimum amount of postage I charge will be £1 to make it worth my while. I am not trying to con anyone I am always up front about costs.

throckenholt Mon 30-Oct-06 14:53:20

baisc is about 20p, with a small gallery photo is about 35p - more if your starting price is higher. Then they charge a percentage of the selling price if it sells - can't remember how much.

There are associated costs when listing an item on eBay, which are referred to as the Insertion fee. If the item sells you are also charged a Final Value Fee. There are also fees for optional features that help to promote your item. The total cost of selling an item is the Listing Fee, plus the Final Value Fee, plus any optional features fees. Fees vary depending on the site and category you are listing in.

Insertion Fees
up to 99p - 15p
£1 - £4.99 -

Oops clicked post too early
Basically ranges from 15p up to £2 for items over £100 or £3 if listing more than one item over £100.

The percentage cut is 5.25% for first £29.99. Between £30 and £600 then it's as above and 3.25% of the remaining closing value balance. For items over £600 it's as above plus 1.75% of remaining closing value balance.

Paypal charge 25p to withdraw money less than £50, 1.4% plus 20p to accept money plus an additional 2.5% if there is a currency exchange involved

tissy Mon 30-Oct-06 15:01:39

I suppose it depends whether you are listing your unwanted items as a public service to those less fortunate than yourself, or whether you are selling to make a profit. When you say "minimum amount of postage I charge will be £1 to make it worth my while" it sounds as if you wouldn't bother if you didn't make enough money from the sale- well surely the answer to this is to price your item realistically- if no-one wants the item at that price it won't sell! As I said before, it is easy to check on postage costs, but many inexperienced Ebayers get all caught up in the excitement of an auction, and bid without thinking of the TOTAL cost. Yes, they shouldn't be so stupid, but those who charge extortionate rates for "postage" shouldn't take advantage, IMO.

So (just doing sums here), if I sell an item for 99p I have over 61p taken off me before I even wrap it to post if I want to withdraw the money from Paypal immediately.

LittleScarer Mon 30-Oct-06 15:12:11

I remember once getting some wee shorts on Ebay, postage was something like £2.50-£3 and when it arrived it had only cost 60p. That was annoying and I left 'neutral' feedback saying good service except from that. Luckily I didn't get a nasty email about it though!

Having done it myself now it is rather expensive listing on Ebay though!

quanglewangle Mon 30-Oct-06 15:12:16

tissy, are you saying ebay should be a public service and not for profit? I think you would find a lot less on offer if that was the case. What's wrong with making a bit of money? Free-cycle is there for giving stuff away.

And, in any case aren't we splitting hairs here? It is the total price that counts. I have no difficulty in recognising that a low selling price and high postage is there to help out the seller with his fees. Fine by me.

Well I am not a public service - nor am I a sodding great business intent on making as much as possible. I am however not in paid work so any money I get for selling stuff I no longer need on Ebay immediately gets used to buy stuff that I do need. What I don't sell goes to charity.

Perhaps I should put a sign above my door asking folk to come in and help themselves to my stuff coz I've decided to be a martyr?

Oh and I also Freecycle too (thank for reminding me QW). I can't help feeling I'm being lumped in with cowboy builders and conmen who are just out to take advantage of poor unsuspecting folk.

quanglewangle Mon 30-Oct-06 15:27:40

Well, I am on your side Voluptua.
I have in the past lost out on p&p so now I play safe. I workout the p&p before listing but have sometimes found including an extra bit of paper e.g. the packing slip tips it into the next postal charge bracket, and bang goes all my profit if it is a cheap item. Plants are the hardest. Weigh them dryish and water them before posting and the postage rockets!!
Must go and ride into the sunset....

tissy Mon 30-Oct-06 15:29:34

no, I'm not saying that it should be a public service, what I'm saying is that postage costs should BE postage costs and not Postage-packing-Ebay-listing-fees-Paypal-fees-and-a-bit-extra-for-my-time-and-effort, that's all. Just because "everyone" does it, it doesn't make it right. If you have in your mind a minimum price you want for an item (for example what you would sell it for in a face-face with someone at a car boot sale) why not just list it for that price? I think it is dishonest to sell and item for a minuscule price and get the profit on the postage costs. And Ebay must disapprove as well, or there wouldn't be a procedure for reporting people who take the piss.

quanglewangle Mon 30-Oct-06 15:49:16

Yes but tissy, there isn't a slot for "a-bit-extra-for-my-time-and-effort" so what's wrong with including it with the p&p instead of the price of the item? The same logic could apply to both. But that way the seller benefits and the buyer doesn't lose out. Everybody should be happy.

For heaven sake - no one is forcing you to bid or buy. No-one would sell items on ebay if they thought that it was their public duty to do so subsequently all those cheapy items would never find new homes where they would be used. How many times have you been 'caught out' with the postage anyway? Once is bad luck, twice is excusable but if you continually bid against items where you think the postage is too high but don't bother checking beforehand then it's your own fault

quanglewangle Mon 30-Oct-06 16:01:53

How true.

Piffle Mon 30-Oct-06 16:02:41

alos posting often involves paying for parking, the envelopes themselves are up to 15 p each even buying in bulk.
Also lots of people hike their ebay selling fees onto p+p which is NOTa llowed but as paypal charge for receiving funds, Ebay stopped allowing sellers to charge for the use of paypal and postage went up...
I keep postage at £1.75 for small kids items - ebay evens out, if you have high charges it does put sellers off, unless you have a really desirable item...

quanglewangle Mon 30-Oct-06 16:15:53

In fact, now I think about it, p&p is the place to charge for time and effort, not to mention packaging materials.
Much more appropriate than tacking onto the item, which imho should reflect the worth and condition of the item and not postage costs.
Hiking fees onto p&p may not be allowed, but it acts as a useful guide. After all if you costed time it could be an awful lot more - even if you costed time very modestly!

misdee Mon 30-Oct-06 16:17:06

i just charged somone £30 to send a buggy. postage cost was only £25, but i had to pay for the box/tape/ink also i had to lift and drive the bloomin thing to parcel force.

quanglewangle Mon 30-Oct-06 16:18:42

In that case, don't forget ths cost of the petrol!
Sounds very reasonable to me.

Skribble Mon 30-Oct-06 21:45:53

I have 100% feedback and feel I am far with postage it is right there on the listing for everyone to see, you decide if you want to pay £3.50 or whatever to get it delivered.

I sell quite a lot of different things and try to weigh them and work it out as best as possible, but it can be hard to get multiple purchases right as it goes by weight and size not quantity of items. Also it is quite difficult how much it will weigh once packaged and I can't wrap everything up them weigh it as people buy different combinations and quantities.

I had a customer who bought a few things seperatly before I had figured out how to offer discounts on postage and the postage combined was quite high, I offered her a refund on part of the postage she said it was OK not to bother so I put in a couple of extra items and thanked her very much.

If you think postage is a bit much don't buy it, why buy it then complain that you paid too much because of what is on the stamp, the amount you are going to have to pay is not hidden or added without your knowledge.

Skribble Mon 30-Oct-06 21:47:18

BTW I don't charge £3.50.

When buying second hand on ebay I go by the total price including P&P and think do I want to pay that.

Skribble Mon 30-Oct-06 23:32:57

Bump for other ideas

Skribble Mon 30-Oct-06 23:33:40

Sorry wrong htread I don't want more ideas on this one

wanderingstar Tue 31-Oct-06 10:58:14

I do think it's totally fair to charge for post and packing - the packing element to include your envelope/mailbag/label/your time spent assembling the parcel carefully. Plus, where I live, although i do sometimes walk to the PO, sometimes i have the car and need to use expensive pay and Display bays. Obviously it's against the rules to charge an excessive amount, but I try to keep to the going rate for similar items, or a little less. It's not just the cost of the actual stamp to be factored in ! If I were running a business, quite rightly ALL the costs associated with post and packing would be in the accounts as a cost, not just the 65p or whatever that some of you think ought to be all the buyer pays for.

ginmummy Tue 31-Oct-06 11:04:19

But if you pay £5 for something as a bargain and you have to pay another £5 (or whatever) on top it's not quite the bargain it first seemed.

P.S. Never bought or sold anything on ebay. Just playing Devil's advocate.

zippitippitoes Tue 31-Oct-06 11:06:15

I think you can see the postage cost so if you make a mistake it's your fault, I've only bouhgt a few things on ebay and i do the same as with any other website find out the P&P first and then decide whether to buy or go elsewhere.

Skribble Tue 31-Oct-06 11:23:48

Thats where you have to be careful when looking for bargains, look at the costs as a whole and decide if you would be better buying localy. P&P is the first thing I look at its right there in black and white when looking at lists of items.

Ditto - I always look at the P&P to determine if something is a bargain or not

mumfor1standfinaltime Tue 31-Oct-06 13:55:46

I agree that sometimes people can take the p*ss when it comes to postage and packing on ebay, like for example a ladies vest top which I was looking at had £5.95 postage!

I wouldn't bid on anything which had a high postage rate, and the more people that don't the better!
It is also done in a way so that people can pay less fees, for example it is cheaper to list an item such as an item of light clothing with a start bid of 1p and put the postage at £9.99 (making seller a min of £10) than doing a start bid of say a fiver with £5 post. This is against ebays policy. You cannot list something which has excessive and unrealistic postage.

I also think that at this time of year obviously people want to make as much as possible.

I am a regular seller and buyer on ebay and the only thing I wish they did was to have a search bar for postage rates, they have one for start bids/maximum price of item, so why not a postage one?

I just gave someone back £3 postage as I had charged £9 to post a heavy jumper for worldwide post but it came in quite a bit less as she was in Italy so I refunded her £3 to her Paypal account and she didn't even say thank you!

GranToAirMissiles Thu 21-Mar-13 00:24:28

Why not make postage & packing free, thus attracting buyers and saving yourself a lot of weighing and calculating hassle, and add something to the item price to compensate?

TheDoctrineOfSnatch Thu 21-Mar-13 00:41:07

I really don't understand this.

When I order online from eg Wallis, part of my decision as to whether to shop there is the reasonableness of the P&P - most online shops charge £3-£6 unless the order is £50-£100+

That's part of my buying decision. Why should eBay be any different?

HazeltheMcWitch Thu 21-Mar-13 00:42:11

Zombie thread....

GranToAirMissiles Thu 21-Mar-13 00:46:09

Still relevant though [zombie face]

TheDoctrineOfSnatch Thu 21-Mar-13 00:57:53

D'oh!

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