Episode 34 - The Tearoom moves to New England

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beanandspud Sat 22-Sep-12 23:25:15

At this time of year New England is famous for its glorious foliage as billions of leaves change from green to a kaleidoscope of colours. The air is crisp and cool ? perfect for hiking, biking or a drive along back roads, where farm stands are piled high with crunchy apples and orange pumpkins.

Everyone is welcome. There are tea, cakes and wine aplenty so pull up a comfortable chair and join us.

The usual rule applies - no fisticuffs please!

beanandspud Sat 22-Sep-12 23:29:45

Welcome to the New England tearoom. The kettle is on and Mellors is making sure that everyone has what they need.

UniS Sat 22-Sep-12 23:34:14

Thank you Bean. good whisking us away there. loving the fall colour.

JugglingWithPossibilities Sat 22-Sep-12 23:38:12

How about a stack of pancakes with maple syrup, and a nice cuppa brew, of finest Boston tea ? Snap to it, Mellors ! And bring me my lovely shawl would you, there's a good chap ? - these autumn nights are getting quite chilly !

Jacksmania Sun 23-Sep-12 00:15:20

<follows trail of breadcrumbs to New England>

What lovely fall foliage! Gorgeous at sunset.

I must say Mellors improves the view even more grin

Welcome, Juggling (if you're a newcomer). If you're a namechanger, I'm being dim because I don't recognize you that may be because I'm not in the Tea Room as often as I wish I could be.

It's definitely wineo'clock here. Anyone else?

Scout -- massive (((((((((((((((((((*HUGS*))))))))))))))))))) for you. Grrrrrrr. sad

JugglingWithPossibilities Sun 23-Sep-12 09:58:26

Ah, Hi Jacksmania ...

I just wandered in here the other morning - with my two DC's - without thoroughly reading the terms and conditions of the establishment wink
- I see Mellors has been told to only admit one, well behaved child, with each family, and doesn't really encourage war-ing siblings like my two wink

But we just snuck in under his radar anyway whilst behaving nicely for 5 mins
lured by the smells of stacks of pancakes with maple syrup and other goodies.

Lovely to meet you all in any case smile

Have name changed a bit recently going into the Olympics and afterwards, but you'll find I'm always Juggling with something ... possibly goes with the territory if you have more than one !

May linger a while if Mellor doesn't kick me out as I could do with some peace and quiet sometimes !

mistlethrush Sun 23-Sep-12 12:33:57

Juggling - whilst most of us have onlies - one of us is expecting a second soon (how many more weeks now Thumb????)(eeek!!!) and some people have two anyway... so as long as you're tolerant of those of us with only one and the resultant complaints about the comments of teachers on occasion etc, you're very welcome!

Went to a different bike shop today where mc (that's mistlechick, Juggling, he's my ds who is 7.5) happily rode round the shop on a 24" wheeled bike and could happily fit on a small 26 except that his knees came up a bit far when he cycled (backwards) whilst it was being held... Need to find out the weight of the 24" though as it was possibly quite a bit.

Dog is feeling depressed because we're not talking her out for a walk because of her limp. She's going to see the vet again on Monday and possibly staying in for an xray.

JugglingWithPossibilities Sun 23-Sep-12 12:54:40

Thanks for not kicking me out mistlethrush I have been a teacher at times too but perhaps I'd better keep that quiet ? wink

DS has decided he wants a fancy modern pogo stick for his birthday. We think he's going for the complete collection of non-petrol propelled means of transport smile

mistlethrush Sun 23-Sep-12 14:58:26

Well as long as you don't look down your nose and say.. 'yes, that's what we expect from an only child. You must make sure that you arrange play dates after school and at the weekends' for a child who makes friends easily, is popular with both sexes, and you can drop at a summer sports camp knowing no one and will have sorted out a gang to play with for the week before lunch on the Monday, you'll do fine. There are a couple of other teachers here too to keep you company!

I'm sure you have the same problem but with comments about 'youngest' children or 'oldest' children.... grin

I'm busy writing my report at the moment (as you can see!!!)

JugglingWithPossibilities Sun 23-Sep-12 15:25:04

Your mc sounds really like my ds mistlethrush - maybe just the sociable type ?

though secretly I am a little proud as well, and sounds like you are proud of yours too ?

I'm working as a pre-school practitioner these days - or "a teacher of 3 year olds" as ds puts it (so, not a "proper" teacher - and promise not to say annoying things about onlies)

Good luck with the report - we've got secondary school application process to tackle for ds this month so I think I know a bit how you feel with school related stress plus ds got himself in trouble last week for using his karate skills at the wrong moment and I had to go see the head hmm (raised eyebrow !)

Jacksmania Sun 23-Sep-12 15:29:55

<stumbles in>

Morning <huge yawn>

Is there any coffee?

Hi Mistle... How can MC be 7.5 already? shock
That means this Tea Room has been going for about... FOUR YEARS!!!!

Juggling, two or more are allowed. We had a mum of twins visiting briefly when I used to crash the Multiples threads because I have a friend on there.

Jacksmania Sun 23-Sep-12 15:30:43

DH just brought me coffee in bed (7:30 am here).

Jacksmania Sun 23-Sep-12 15:30:56


mistlethrush Sun 23-Sep-12 15:40:12

Yes, its astounding that he's 7.5 already. And he could fit on a 26" bike (which is adult sized!!!!)

He is very sociable and will talk to anybody. We used to adopt grandparents as we walked around the park (they were somewhat bemused). Normally the problem is trying to get him to not tell our/ his complete life story... What age is your DS?

What sort of karate is he doing? Ds loves his - he's doing a non-contact version and has got to green stripe (although he could apparently have done his brown grading at the end of the summer, but really doesn't know his form well enough)

JugglingWithPossibilities Sun 23-Sep-12 17:01:41

My DS is 10 & probably not quite as chatty as yours but extremely sociable in a cool, boy, sort of way. For example when we bought his new skate-board helmet yesterday he had two older boys in the shop asking him where he goes for his s-boarding and recommending their place to him. Also we go away for trips with a group of friends and I don't see him from beginning to end as all the other (mainly slightly older) kids just take him under their wing and he hangs out with them. Generally we don't see the DC's for dust once we arrive at the hostels !
He got his black belt in karate just before he was 10 (easier to do with some schools of karate than others I gather) Also plays the trumpet !

< ponders, what other boasts can I think of grin - loves his Mum, gives me some great hugs smile >

Scout19075 Sun 23-Sep-12 21:28:02

We're talking about the possibility of being in the US for a month. A month! At least three weeks of that would be at home/with my parents.

After last year I'm afraid to get hope but I so desperately want to go home.

Scout19075 Sun 23-Sep-12 21:37:08

I'm so cold. I put Toddler in his next-size-up because last year's were starting to be too snug by the end of the season feety fleecey pjs tonight. I wish I had a pair. Toddler looked very long in the new size (though they were a bit saggy in the leg/bum but they usually are because he's all torso).

It's wet here. I don't mind chilly but I don't like wet -- I won't be warm again until the summer. sad

oxeye Sun 23-Sep-12 22:55:33

hello my dears! Nice tea room Bean
welcome Juggling! I have been here since the birth of the first tea room, about 4 + bit years ago now!
I don't post much but like to keep up

I have one DS who is now 6 and, weirdly, turn out to have been at school with Thumb. I am not a teacher grin

mistlethrush Sun 23-Sep-12 23:12:19

<quick clasp to the bosom for oxeye>

Scout - I hope that the visit comes off (at a nice time of the year over there!!!)

Juggling - ds is still at the 'very' chatty stage - and now knows it! Losing some 'golden time' because of it is one of those things that gets shrugged off now... He is on the precocious side too.. to the extent that he was riding a bike in the bike shop with complete confidence around the very narrow walkway (not designed for bike riding!!!!)

ComeIntoTheGardenMaud Sun 23-Sep-12 23:39:53

Four years already? Wow!

Welcome, Juggling.

::general and promiscuous bosom-claspage::

mistlethrush Mon 24-Sep-12 09:10:57

BTW, Juggling - just because the tearoom's being going 4 years now, we're not at all exclusive and are very happy for people to join us. Particularly if they bring cake. Or homemade Icecream. Or alcohol. Whilst a lot of water has gone under the bridge you can always ask what on earth someone's on about if its not clear. Some might assume that there's quiche on offer here - but I've never seen it and we tend to opt for soup at lunchtime - much healthier and easier to do a big potful to share.

Talking of which, I've brought DIY hot and sour soup to make for lunch at the office... I shall let you know how it goes!

CMOTDibbler Mon 24-Sep-12 09:16:24

<waves> It is manky here, and I feel yuck. Have moved into the wristwarmers UniS made me and my fleece mittens from JM as my body has declared it to be cold.
I'm doing leek and potato soup for lunch, so will pop back later

Scout19075 Mon 24-Sep-12 11:57:54

Gah. I hate the cold and wet. It's one of those days I'd stay inside and hibernate but I promised Toddler we'd go to the indoor/outdoor active activity today and he's been pestering asking all morning if it was time to go yet. Unfortunately MrScout has the car so I have to trek us to the other side of town in the rain. Goodness knows where my raingear is -- I think it's packed away with all of my other Guiding & camping stuff. Bah!

mistlethrush Mon 24-Sep-12 14:59:14

Scout have you got one of those all-in-one waterproofs for toddler? We always had them when mc was little - and they were superb (apart from when potty training!!!). MC has, before now, fallen face down in a puddle whilst wearing one. The only bit that ended up wet was a really small triangle up at the neck. Add a ladybird umbrella to complete the rigout and you have your own mini walking mushroom. Which is enough to bring a smile on even the most wet and grey days.

Add a bit of puddle jumping and you'll both be feeling better for it.

Scout19075 Mon 24-Sep-12 15:59:58

MT, yes, Toddler has the all-in-ones. Well, right now his are two-piece -- coveralls and then a rain jacket. He won't walk in his willies so when we go puddle jumping I put him in his crocs (with socks) and then dry his feet/warm & dry socks after. Toddler's rain coveralls stay in the nappy bag. It's my gear I can't find. sad

Banderchang Mon 24-Sep-12 16:15:49

<peeks in> Afternoon ladies, may I join you? I've lurked for some time, but am finally taking the plunge and saying hello smile I have one DS aged 3 and a half. He's an only by choice and we are very happy with our little family of three.

Not many of our friends in RL have just one, so it's nice to find a group of people who (mainly) have onlies. Are yours mostly pre-school or older?

ComeIntoTheGardenMaud Mon 24-Sep-12 16:26:02

Hello Banderchang. Well done on taking the plunge and delurking.

My one and only child is quite old as am I. We're well past the toddler stage.

Scout19075 Mon 24-Sep-12 16:32:46

Hello Banderchange!

I have ToddlerScout (aka: Toddler or TS) who will be three next month. He's an only for a lot of reasons but I love having just one. On his third birthday he will become SmallBoyScout (or SmallBoy or SB) -- he's not very toddleresque any more.

Ease-dropping on MrScout's work call (he's working from home this afternoon) and I am a bit more hopeful that an extended trip home may be in the cards. Fingers crossed.

Maud, how is Girl? Is it this week she moves?

mistlethrush Mon 24-Sep-12 16:56:53

Hello Banderchang - my ds is 7.5 - sort of towards the higher range of smalls, but there are some largers too... and even one adult at least!

Tea and crumpets dripping with butter anyone? Must do something to improve the mood on such a grim day.

JugglingWithPossibilities Mon 24-Sep-12 17:09:06

Ooh, yes please mistlethrush - rather nice with maple syrup too I've discovered grin (greedy grin) They'll go well with my brew before taking DS out to band practice. A warm welcome to Banderchang from me too smile

Banderchang Mon 24-Sep-12 18:46:15

It is a grim day isn't it? Autumn is definitely here. DS and I went to a cooking class this afternoon and got soaked just walking 100 yards from the car.

Lovely to hear that there's a wide age range of onlies amongst people on this thread. I've recently been giving away DS's outgrown clothes/toys to various people or toddler groups and soooo many people have said to me "Oh you might think you don't want another now, but it'll be different when he's older". I've been hearing this since he was born (and haven't changed my mind!) - does it ever stop? I smile and nod, but it's beginning to annoy me now that DS is old enough to understand.

UniS Mon 24-Sep-12 18:59:59

ohhh crumpets. Fab, and a roaring stove... just what I need. I haven’t managed to get logs in from shed yet or lay the fire, so I guess I'm putting off, for another night , the first fire the year at home. Dh is out at A PCC meeting tonight :-( I shall go and get another jumper soon.

Boy is 6 and a half. Rather keen on sport, keen rather than skilled in most sports except cycling which is is really rather good at for a 6 year old. pround mum moment. He will be presented with his bikeability cert in assembly at school on Thursday.

Scout19075 Mon 24-Sep-12 19:34:23

Banderchang, Toddler's just younger than your DS but I've noticed the questioning has started to lessen. Either that or I must run into the same people all of the time. I have a had a few ask if we want another/are trying for another in a "I'm very sorry you only have one and I'm afraid to ask if you want another in case your burst into tears" sort of way lately but I'm very blunt up front and say "Medical issues and I'm not going to mess with perfection! Toddler's wonderful." There are lots of reasons for us to have a singleton but playing the "medical" card stops questions and conversations in their tracks.

Jacksmania Mon 24-Sep-12 19:49:05

Hi Banderchang, glad you de-lurked and joined us smile

DS is 4.7. I'm the Tea Room's Canadian Contingent, on the West Coast of Canada near Vancouver. So I tend to post at odd times.

Our weather has taken a downturn, too. I think I'm about to spend stupid amounts of money at The North Face just so I can stay warm this year. I have my eye on this and this. What do you all think?

Scout19075 Mon 24-Sep-12 20:26:33

JM, the first link took me to a home page. I like the second one. Is that CAN or USD? Just curious.

Oh, and JM, if MrScout does do some work in the US before going home for Thanksgiving we'll be in your time zone for a bit. grin

Scout19075 Mon 24-Sep-12 20:28:13

Oh, Banderchang and Juggling, I should probably explain -- I'm an American living in the UK. MrScout is British (Toddler & I are dual). We go back to my parents' every year for Thanksgiving and so I can get my fill of cheesesteaks, decent pizza and root beer to see my family.

Banderchang Mon 24-Sep-12 20:31:22

Hi Jacksmania, I like the pink jacket too. And it doesn't look too bulky which is always good. North Face stuff is lovely.

I wore my (lighter) winter coat today which is always depressing when it's only September.

ComeIntoTheGardenMaud Mon 24-Sep-12 20:33:22

I don't generally like The North Face - a bit too functional-looking - but I like that coat, JM, and I imagine that in your climate it's worth the outlay.

::cheapskate emoticon::

Inspired (although that's hardly the word) by the current weather, I have just bought The Girl a proper waterproof jacket. Scout - She has been a Guide for a week. confused

Scout19075 Mon 24-Sep-12 20:40:56

Ooohhh, Maud, how was it for both you and her?

Scout19075 Mon 24-Sep-12 20:43:49

ooooh, I've heard Minnesota has had snow already. confused Kind of glad I don't live there any more. Brrrr.

Jacksmania Tue 25-Sep-12 04:35:29

We can ask CheerfulYank if that's true smile
BTW she announced some happy news on a Baby Names thread smile smilesmile

Scout19075 Tue 25-Sep-12 08:15:54

JM, I still have friends back in Minnesota. One of the girls commented on her FB that Duluth had flurries. Brrrr. Don't think it stuck but still -- snow. Brrr.

I saw CY's thread and sent her wishes on it. grin Another American baby NOT called Madison. Wahoo! Not that it's not a nice name, mind, but it's so very American in the sheer numbers. Then again, when Toddler was recently one and we went for Thanksgiving we took him to see Santa. The Santa is lovely -- I remember him from when I was a bit younger -- and he commented to MomScout that Toddler was the first of his name he had ever met. It's NOT common in the US at all (though my sister works with a guy with the same name but she met him after Toddler was born) though it's slowly creeping up in popularity here in the UK.

Sunny here today but there's a bite in the air. Toddler wants to "scoot" today -- he's finally seems to have worked out how to propel himself forward. He's by no means a boy racer yet but he's so excited that we got the scooter out of the car before MrScout went off. We're also going to try a new group today (group only started this term and we haven't had a chance to try it yet). AND I'm going to steam the first Christmas pudding of the year (I'll do it in the slow cooker, though, so I'm not tied to the house for six hours).

mistlethrush Tue 25-Sep-12 14:43:09

That's very well prepared Scout - I've done nothing! Have you got a balance bike for him - sounds as though he'd do well on it.

Mistledog has something that looks like a tumour on the bone of her leg which is not exactly good news.. she's nearly 12 so I don't think I can put her through any nasty ops as she won't have enough good time even if she does recover OK.

Banderchang Tue 25-Sep-12 15:11:00

Flooding here today (North East). Had to evacuate work and only just got through to DS's nursery before the river banks burst. Living on the edge!

Now we are home and watching cartoons so I can pretend to be working from home (though clearing I am MNing!). Scary amounts of water, though luckily our street is not in a floody part of town.

Scout19075 Tue 25-Sep-12 16:29:01

MT, no he doesn't have a balance bike yet. I tried him on one at a shop and he thought I was nuts. Then again all day he wanted to scoot and all he did was walk the scooter. He wouldn't even stand on it for me to push him.

Banderchang, that sounds scary!

Scout19075 Tue 25-Sep-12 16:38:13

So.... if I wanted to do a treat basket of typically British treats what should I include? Treats can be anything -- chocolate, sweets, drink, biscuits, etc.

Banderchang Tue 25-Sep-12 17:15:29

Scout, is the basket for adults or children? I would suggest shortbread biscuits of some type, earl grey tea bags, tunnock's tea cakes and ginger beer (all of which are a bit treaty). If you want more standard but very British stuff, maybe a jar of Marmite, a bottle of Ribena, some salt/vinegar crisps?

Was that the kind of thing you were after?

CMOTDibbler Tue 25-Sep-12 18:15:40

I always think jaffa cakes are a bit different and nothing like any US produce, creme eggs (the ghoulish sort this time of year), marmite for sure, HP sauce, and a tinned syrup pudding

UniS Tue 25-Sep-12 19:00:23

Marmite, shortbread biscuits in a tartan packet, Hundreds n thousands. Burts crisps ( or Sea brooks) . Clotted cream fudge or Tablet. Luscombes fruit drink of some sort. Or cider if for an adult who indulges. Tea.
Marmalade maybe .

Jacksmania Tue 25-Sep-12 19:32:49

I'd say Marmite, shortbread, tea, tea cakes and salt & vinegar crisps.

Mistle, that 'ssad about mistledog. I hope it's nothing serious.

A gorgeous autumn day here today smile

mistlethrush Tue 25-Sep-12 20:39:25

We've got to decide whether to put her through a biopsy or not - the downsides are that it will be painful and another day in the vets and the recovery from that. The upsides are that there might be some sort of chemo or something she could have if we knew what it was - but major surgery isn't going to work with her (she's nearly 12 and a bit arthritic) so it might just be palliative care anyway - having put her through that. I really don't know what to do.

Jacksmania Tue 25-Sep-12 20:48:56

I think it would be worth finding out what it is, at any rate. But sad at putting the poor old girl through a boopsy.

Jacksmania Tue 25-Sep-12 20:49:22


A boopsy might be more fun - whatever that is grin

mistlethrush Tue 25-Sep-12 20:56:20

I think if we don't have it done we'll possibly be thinking for ever 'I wonder' and 'what if...'.... sad

Scout19075 Tue 25-Sep-12 20:56:23

Poor dog. sad

A boopsy?! HAhahahahahah! grin

Thanks for the food suggestions. They are for adults who act like big kids. I'm struggling with what to get my siblings for their birthdays/Christmas this year (sister's b-day is 4/5 weeks before Christmas and on Thanksgiving Day this year and brother's is 3/4 weeks after). They're a lot younger than me so we've always been at different life stages and now that I live here and they live there I've realized that in a lot of ways I don't know them any more. I love them -- they're my siblings and generally good eggs -- but because I see them once a year presents can be tricky. I've been thinking I might make them a movie care package each -- a couple of DVDs and lots of British snacks, drink, etc. I just need to figure out what to put in and if I'm able to smuggle take it through customs.

beanandspud Tue 25-Sep-12 21:16:13

Poor Mistledog sad.

That sounds like a lovely idea Scout - don't forget the jelly babies please!

We have been persuaded to go on a family ice skating session in a few weeks with friends. I am far too old for skating and haven't 'skated' for about 20 years [at least not since I had a crush on a guy called Mike that went to the local ice disco on a Thursday night]. DH is even older and has never skated. Small Bean has never skated. This is going to end badly isn't it???

::waves at everyone::

Scout19075 Tue 25-Sep-12 21:21:54

bean, I think they might have "toddler" or "training" skates. At least they did at YOUT winter outdoor rink when they were still doing them. They were strap onto the shoe skates with two blades instead of one. Good luck! I take Toddler roller skating but parents are expected to put on skates, too.

I have suddenly realized my wedding anniversary is on Monday. Oh crumbles.

CMOTDibbler Tue 25-Sep-12 21:31:35

Small bean will be fine as he gets a penguin to hold onto. As an adult you don't ! Ds went whizzing off to the middle of his rink as I tottered round the edge...

ComeIntoTheGardenMaud Tue 25-Sep-12 21:41:24

At our local ice rink, you can book a teacher for parties and groups. Could that be an option? We don't, alas, have penguins.

Scout19075 Tue 25-Sep-12 21:48:26

To risk sounding stupid -- a penguin? How does a bird help you to skate?

beanandspud Tue 25-Sep-12 21:50:39

::ponders over a possible substitution for an 'adult penguin'::

::wonders whether taking the wheely bin to cling onto would work::

::considers filling wheely bin with wine to take the edge off the experience::

ComeIntoTheGardenMaud Tue 25-Sep-12 21:54:12

Scout - The penguin is a large (compared to a child or even a real penguin) frame-y kind of thing that the child holds onto as it skates. I'm not sure that every ice rink has them, though.

Bean - I think you will find that Mellors is, amongst his many other attributes, a gifted figure-skater and will be delighted to accompany you and twirl you around the ice while MrBean (oops) gnashes his teeth.

ComeIntoTheGardenMaud Tue 25-Sep-12 21:55:59
CMOTDibbler Tue 25-Sep-12 21:59:21

Penguins and adult polar bears in telford.

Scout19075 Tue 25-Sep-12 22:00:32


ComeIntoTheGardenMaud Tue 25-Sep-12 22:01:55

Fab! But I think I'd prefer Mellors.

beanandspud Tue 25-Sep-12 22:02:56

That's it... I need a Mellors and a polar bear... sorted!!! I'll pop Mellors' appointment on the Tearoom calendar.

CMOT - that brought back a few memories, that's where I learnt to ski in a manner.

Rushing past on my way to bed before huge complex special school day tomorrow, blowing kisses and leaving a trail of home-made jam and tomato sauce ....

ComeIntoTheGardenMaud Tue 25-Sep-12 22:16:16

Jam and tomato sauce? Delicious!

Lovely to see you, LaBelleDame.

Scout19075 Wed 26-Sep-12 14:06:12

Toddler and I watched his first feature-length Disney film and it was a lovely break from train DVDs (though we did it over two days). There was drama, suspense, friendship. He clearly enjoyed himself. However, the parts I thought would scare him didn't bother him in the least and a part I thought he'd like he didn't. hmm But he was able to tell me what was happening and indicate when he didn't like something so it's all good.

ComeIntoTheGardenMaud Wed 26-Sep-12 15:02:03

Aww, Scout. Which one was it?

The first film that The Girl saw in the cinema was The Incredibles. I thought we might have to leave part-way through but she was entranced by it.

Banderchang Wed 26-Sep-12 17:30:17

DS just got into Disney films when we went to stay with my parents and my mum had recorded Aristocats and Beauty and the Beast for him to watch. He loved both and seemed to understand the stories, so that was nice. Like Scout, I found it a lovely break from Thomas or Jake and the Neverland Pirates.

Now I want to buy some of my favourite Disney films to watch with him, but was shocked how expensive they are on DVD. Think I will keep a look out at the TV schedules and record them!

Scout19075 Wed 26-Sep-12 21:18:49

We watched Cars -- there's no real scary characters, dark parts, etc. And it's about, well, cars. grin He didn't seem fond of the tractor-cows -- when they go "cow tipping." Other than that scene he was a happy chappy and spent the film having a cuddle and talking to me about it.

UniS Wed 26-Sep-12 21:27:39

well done scout - boy still refuses to watch Cars as its too scary. He HATES teh bit where lightning gets lost. Lightning is scared and so is boy... he has prehaps too much empathy with story characters. Thought we were in for a refusal to finish a reading book last night as teh story was " too scarey".cliffhangers.... Boy doesn't like them at all.

Scout19075 Wed 26-Sep-12 21:52:51

I know Toddler is scared or doesn't like something on television when he gets off of my lap and distracts himself. He started to do that with the cows and I asked "Do you like this bit?" and he said "Too scary." So I forwarded it past the tractor-cows and he climbed back on my lap and kept watching. I just have to make sure I don't end his viewing there but let him watch the next bit so he's calm/happy again.

ComeIntoTheGardenMaud Wed 26-Sep-12 21:57:47

Cars was the film where we had to leave the cinema because The Girl found it too noisy (very small cinema with the sound cranked up). confused

beanandspud Wed 26-Sep-12 21:58:03

Ah Scout, we LOVE both Cars and Cars 2 and I know far more about Lightning McQueen and his friends than I should probably admit to. Cars 2 does have some shooting scenes in it but we saw it at the cinema and Small Bean wasn't phased by it.

I find a lot of the Disney films a bit hit and miss when it comes to scary bits and/or enjoyment. Small Bean hated Finding Nemo when the fish was captured but likes Pocohontas. Won't watch Jungle Book but quite liked Beauty and the Beast. He also has a current fascination with Top Gear (particularly the Bolivia special) and Joseph and the Technicolour Dreamcoat. No pattern at all but makes a nice change from the usual tv favourites.

Would anyone like a cheeky Wednesday wine?

UniS Wed 26-Sep-12 22:03:55

Boy was rather taken by Top Gear when he saw it on our holiday - he struggled a bit with the concept of TV rather than iPlayer.... Wanted me to pause things when he went to the loo.

Can Mellors bring me over a nice warm shawl please? tis a bit nippy. Not lit the fire as didn't get home till 8. We all 3 went to Brownies tonight. DH and I ran a circus skills workshop and boy joined in with it all. There were 14 girls and 3 boys. Organized Chaos and shrillness for 40 minutes! DH was reeling by the end.

Scout19075 Wed 26-Sep-12 22:07:34

The joy of watching films at home, Maud, volume control! grin

I have to admit Cars was a nice change from Peppa Pig, Ben and Holly, Here Comes a Train and all of the adult/grown-up train DVDs he has. That's what he likes. He doesn't seem fond of children's television -- cartoons are okay but things on CBeebees makes him go hmm but give him a documentary about The Flying Scotsman or any other steam train and he's in heaven. He is a bit of an old soul that way.

We own Cars 2 and most of the other Disney and/or Pixar films but I haven't watched it yet so would probably want to preview it. I really like the Toy Story trilogy but seeing as Toddler is starting to pretend play with his toys, especially his Bunny & the rest of the warren, I'm not sure if T.S. would freak him out at this stage.

beanandspud Wed 26-Sep-12 22:08:17

Warm shawl coming up Unis...

Would you like to come and do a circus skills birthday party? Sounds fab!

ComeIntoTheGardenMaud Wed 26-Sep-12 22:11:05

Oooh, UniS. Come and run your circus skills workshop for our Brownies!

::Totally impractical suggestion::

Would anyone like a super deluxe hot chocolate with sprinkles and optional marshmallows?

Scout19075 Wed 26-Sep-12 22:16:56

<<Hopes I'm the first in the queue for Maud's hot chocolate>> Is it made in the special Guide camp way?

mistlethrush Wed 26-Sep-12 22:22:16

MC liked Monsters Inc at quite an early age - although it often resulted in tears near the end (very empathetic)

ComeIntoTheGardenMaud Wed 26-Sep-12 22:46:36

::pours hot chocolate for all in need::

oxeye Wed 26-Sep-12 23:03:44

tis weird what films they like isnt't it? Here we luurve Cars and Cars 2 but still find the Aristocats too scarey! I mean what is that? cats lost, cats found, all is well but apparently Edgar is too too much and the barking dogs are a bit freaky!

love finding Nemo, love Wallace and Gromit, UP is scary (and so sad I sobbed from start to end) love Despicable Me (which I am a bit obssessed with) and Dumbo but that is quite scarey too apparently hmm

mucked up toys in Toy Story totally freaky but TS 2 and 3 ok.... you never can tell with Oxboy!!

MistleDog sad I still miss OxHound....

wave to all and slurp of hot chocolate!

ComeIntoTheGardenMaud Wed 26-Sep-12 23:11:25

I have just ordered Hotel for Dogs on Amazon. I will report back on it next week!

Slurp, slurp.

beanandspud Wed 26-Sep-12 23:22:32


ComeIntoTheGardenMaud Wed 26-Sep-12 23:26:56

::proffers cinnamon muffins::

UniS Wed 26-Sep-12 23:34:32


mistlethrush Thu 27-Sep-12 06:24:52

Mmmm muffins for breakfast smile

Jacksmania Thu 27-Sep-12 06:33:45

Mmm, muffins for a late night snack smile

We're in Seattke this weekend. DH, DS, MIL and I. Going to the top of the Space Needle tomorrow. DS, entertainingly, calls it the Space Pin grin

Jacksmania Thu 27-Sep-12 06:35:38


Not sure where Seattke is hmm

Bloody autocorrect. I told a friend of mine to "feel Bette" earlier. She replied "who's Bette and are you sure my husband would be ok with me feeling her??" grin.
And then of course there was yesterday's "boopsy".

Banderchang Thu 27-Sep-12 08:56:11

Gah, just wrote a long message then lost it! 'Twas mostly waffle anyway, so no matter.

Hope everyone has nice plans for today. Ds and I are off to toddler group this morning, then might do some baking this afternoon. I want to get our garden tidied up a bit, but after all the flooding earlier in the week it's a bit of a quagmire out there. We have tentative sun today, so hoping it dries out soon.

Hoping for a calm day in the midst of mayhem. Having major car traumas which are now finally resolving (car with dangerous intermittent fault which the garage couldn't diagnose), and our department are moving offices next week on the first day of term! An ideal time for everything to be unplugged and out of action!

Today will involve cake I think smile

Scout19075 Thu 27-Sep-12 10:11:23

We're off to swimming this morning. Banderchange, TS and I have been swimming since he was about 4/5 months old. It's very much part of our weekly routine and we he loves it. His BFF is in our group/class too so it's general fun and mayhem every week.

Toddler has made (read: colored) ten Christmas cards for me this morning. Wahoo! Christmas Pudding number three is steaming in the slow cooker with number four to go in this afternoon (each batch makes two 2 pint (or four 1 pint) puddings so I always steam in groups). This weekend I'm ordering the last bits needed for Toddler to make/finish making his Christmas presents. Also this weekend we're going to make a batch of mincemeat (need to make two batches in total, I think, but only making one this weekend) and bake the Christmas cake (the fruit has been soaking for a week). Christmas is well and truly underway here in ScoutCamp!

Oh, and this weekend we're going to the in-laws to see the Tornado as it's running a special from Paddington to Devon (stopping near where the in-laws live) and then on to the Bluebell Railway for a treat.

Still no word yet on whether we're going for Thanksgiving early or not. MrScout wants to book our flights this week so hope to know by the weekend.

Our wedding anniversary is on Monday and I still don't know what to make/do for MrScout. Any suggestions?

Oh crumbles, I need to go make lunch for swimming and get into my suit so must dash!

UniS Thu 27-Sep-12 14:44:04

Gosh scout you guys do get around the country don't you! I seem to stay within 50 miles of home most of the year but you chat about popping down to devon and finishing off in Sussex!

Went for a little bike ride today, was fun. about 12 miles and tea and tea cake at a National Trust Castle.

Scout19075 Thu 27-Sep-12 15:09:03

No, we're not going to Devon. The train is but it's stopping in Berks so we'll see it in Berks then head to Sussex. But yes, we do get around the country.

mistlethrush Thu 27-Sep-12 16:54:27

How close are you to the place with the nice pier and the water clock on said Pier Scout?

UniS Thu 27-Sep-12 21:34:56

any one for crumpets and hot chocolate? I'd like honey on my crumpets...

ComeIntoTheGardenMaud Fri 28-Sep-12 09:15:08

Oh yes please, UniS. Honey truly is the nectar of the gods.

Scout19075 Fri 28-Sep-12 11:53:01

MT, I think I know where you mean in which case an hour (approx.) but not 100% sure my mental picture/map grid is the same as yours.

I could go for a hot chocolate, thanks.

Not long home from stopping to see a Guiding friend. Why is when I leave there I always question/doubt myself when it comes to Toddler?

mistlethrush Fri 28-Sep-12 12:08:12

Scout - its a rebuilt / new pier. We'll be around that neck of the woods at Christmas...

What do you mean - 'doubt yourself' ? is she questioning your parenting skills, does toddler act up there or do you get the impression she's looking down her nose?

Scout19075 Fri 28-Sep-12 12:58:57

Do you know when around Christmas?

Doubt as in... um, how do I explain? Right, so we know Toddler is 2.11 (one month today until his birthday) and he's a boy and boys are "typically" (not always but compared to some girls can be) "behind" or "slower developing." I think Toddler has really good verbal skills, concentration (when hit on the right thing, of course), fine motor skills, etc. I am not in any way shape or form saying he's advanced -- I think he's perfectly average and lovely and I wouldn't change him for the world. Everyone compliments him/us about his attention span, his verbal skills, his general sunniness, etc. He is, as MomScout calls him, a Happy Chappy.

People that don't see him often typically don't have trouble understanding him -- they might not always get the gist of what he's trying to say but his annunciation is pretty good (heck, the boy uses words like "pendolino" and "derailment" with clarity and correctness). He doesn't use filler words (and, the, but, a, an, or, etc) but that's normal for his age and development. He says "please" and "thank you" even if I have to remind him sometimes. He asks "May I please" (again sometimes I have to remind him but he does it). But he's a toddler. He's two. She always, ALWAYS seems to give him a look and then give me a look like "WHAT is the WORLD is he saying?! HOW do you make sense of that gibberish?!" Like I said friends that see him every few weeks don't have trouble. My PiL who are in their 70s (and MiL is slowly going deaf, I think) and in a typical few weeks might only see Toddler every six weeks or so don't have any trouble. But after nearly 90 minutes of getting "the what is he on about look" I worry.

It just makes me wonder if his good speech and good behaviour (I think a lot of it comes from the ability to basically communicate with us and we take the time to listen and talk back/respond) and sunniness is all in my head.

mistlethrush Fri 28-Sep-12 13:12:29

Sat before until boxing day...

I could come and give you a frank assessment of his verbal skills if you'd like?

Does she have much contact with small children - because when we're used to hearing small children talk, its pretty easy with most of them to work out what they're saying. But if you aren't used to them and what they might be expected to be talking about at that particular moment, it can be more difficult.

However, (although I doubt this) you could be very tuned in to what he is saying and therefore not notice that things are not as clear as they might be - a bit like learning a foreign language - if you know what it is its easy, but if you don't its completely indecipherable.

What I suggest next time is that you explain to toddler that she's not very good at understanding him, and if he wants her to understand he needs to go slowly and clearly for her - make sure he realises that this isn't anything to do with him - just her. I bet toddler would grasp what was necessary grin

Big bowl full of spicy lentil soup and hearty homemade bread?

Scout19075 Fri 28-Sep-12 14:07:49

I'll check when we're going to Berks.

The thing is that MrsGuider used to be a nursery teacher (only retired at 63 or 64 and just turned 66 this month), volunteers weekly at the community Toddler Group (the one we go to Wednesday mornings when I have a car) and helps run two Rainbow units (used to be the leader of the one until she turned 65 and Guiding regs said she couldn't be in charge but could still help) so I don't know if it's the "not in tune" bit.

I know I got a hmm face when Toddler kept saying "MrsGuider in attic. MrsGuider in attic!" when she went to the loft to get things for me. He knows loft but prefers attic -- he got that from a British cartoon, not me since I emphasis the British vocabulary as his main/every day language since he lives here (though he does understand a lot of the American words and in the case of caboose/guard's van uses both equally and interchangeably).

I know she disapproves of our decision not to send Toddler to nursery this year (we haven't ruled it out completely but have decided that based on him and our situations that it now is not the time to send him) and am wondering if a lot of what I'm getting is that vibe.

Then again I could be reading it all completely wrong and she still thinks he's as lovely as the first day she met him when he was a teeny tiny newborn. Well, I know she thinks he's lovely but I mean more "where he should be" or whatever.


Scout19075 Fri 28-Sep-12 14:11:05

I can always tell when the Americans have gone to work for the day -- my Facebook news feed gets busy again. grin

mistlethrush Fri 28-Sep-12 14:15:49

I bet you're in Berks when we're near your home - and we'll move to near Berks just as you go in the opposite direction wink

I've explained to DS that an attic is like grandma has - proper stairs going up to a real room - whereas a loft is what we have - hole in the ceiling and pull down ladder.

DS thrived at nursery - but if I'd been at home with him I'm sure we would have had an equally good time and he would have learned as much if not more....

Scout19075 Fri 28-Sep-12 14:38:42

Oh no, this was a hole in the ceiling with a pull-down ladder. And here (in our house) we have an even smaller hole in the ceiling and need to put a step ladder at the base to get in. He just seems to like saying "attic" more than "loft." His prerogative, I guess. grin

Based on what people have told me of nursery, and from reading various boards and the EYFES goals, besides learning to play there's an emphasis on life skills (using a fork, learning to dress/undress, etc), alphabet recognition, counting to 3/5/10 (depending on the age) and general getting ready for school skills like lining up. Well, Toddler's been able to recognize all the letters scrambled up (as in, not in alphabetical order) since he was 22 months old and once he could speak he was shouting them out to us. He can count into the 30s without missing one (though he sometimes drops 14 for some reason), recognizes written 0-10 and has the understanding of "one chip" or "two bunnies" or "three triangles of sandwich" etc. Earlier in the week I gave him two mini chocolate fingers and said "one for each hand." I then gave him two more and said "no more chocolate fingers after these." He gobbled those up and said "Five Six!" I asked "Five Six? What's five six, Toddler?" "Five six! Toddler wants five six chocolate fingers!" I didn't do any counting activities with him in regards to those chocolate fingers but he seems to have counted his chocolate fingers and wanted numbers five and six. (He didn't get them, btw.) He knows his shapes and colors. We use cutlery at home. He knows how to queue at the shops, at the playground for the slides & swings, etc. and he's just now showing an interest in trying to dress/undress. He helps make his bed and fold his PJs and generally helps out (his job is bottles to the recycling bin and heaven forbid if you forget and do it for him).

I'm not knocking nursery and some people need it. I went to nursery school a couple of days a week when I was young to give my aunt, who was in her 70s and was caring for me in the week, a break. I used to "teach" three year olds at a day care. But given TS's needs, what he can already do and the fact that I'm a SAHM we can't see the point in paying a lot of money to go do what we already do at home/with friends/at toddler groups.

To each their own (but friend has put a lot of pressure on me to send him since Toddler's second birthday).

Scout19075 Fri 28-Sep-12 14:39:47

Gah, apologies for the stealth boast. It really wasn't meant to be one. I try not tell other parents what he's doing/has done. I should go report myself.

Scout19075 Fri 28-Sep-12 14:46:57

Sorry, MrsGuider just seems to have an ability to make me doubt myself/our decisions/Toddler's abilities.

I hold no illusions as to what he can and can't do and am very up-front about what he doesn't do yet (like getting dressed/undressed -- he can't be bothered and only in the last week or so has started to say "Toddler try!" whereas his BFF can more-or-less dress/undress herself).

mistlethrush Fri 28-Sep-12 14:47:18

Don't be silly!

I was shocked when ds pointed the first letter of his name - particularly as he'd not really become sufficiently verbal to make me understand clearly the first time and had to say it several times (he struggled with his name to start with to be fair which made it doubly difficult!) - bit like saying " ' for 'om" instead of 'T for Tom'... I think he was about 16 months.

I would be comfortable with your own decisions and not worry - as long as you're enjoying things together and he is having some contact with other children (which he obviously is at toddler group) he's certainly not missing out on anything.

Scout19075 Fri 28-Sep-12 15:25:59

On a separate but tea room fitting sort of way, in the past week I have found out about two new pregnancies. Both have children Toddler's age (one is three/four weeks older and the other is six weeks younger than Toddler) and both already have a younger sibling.

I can't imagine having three under three!

Then again they (the other women) are a lot younger than me....

Scout19075 Fri 28-Sep-12 15:38:30

I just had a "form" email from one of the parenting groups I'm on with a subject: "Toddler's 3rd birthday is just around the corner" Um, duh!

It's like a toddler group volunteer who saw Toddler at the start of the month, made some comment about "how big he's getting" (it had been a while since she had seen him) and I said "oh yes, he's three next month." Her response was "Are you sure?" I laughed and said "Positive, I was there. Drugged up and feeling no pain but wide awake and fully there."


Scout19075 Fri 28-Sep-12 21:12:03

Who's for cake?

beanandspud Fri 28-Sep-12 22:02:14

Yes please Scout. Can I pour you a Friday wine?

No good advice about Guider friend I'm afraid as I constantly doubt myself when in the company of other parents who seem to find parenting far more natural than I do. I spend half my time wondering whether Small Bean is doing ok, behaving ok, as advanced as his friend, demonstrating stereotypical 'only child' behaviour... The list goes on and I think there are some people that have a knack of making you feel inadequate in some way.

Scout19075 Fri 28-Sep-12 22:30:13

It's strange, bean, it only seems to be one friend I feel that way around. Put me in a group of peers/Toddler's peers and I'm very "they all do their own thing at their own time" sort of person. In fact I'm rather fascinated watching a group of Toddler peers to see how they interact (if they do interact), what toys they go for, how often do they seek out their moms, etc.

<<Passes over a plate with a large slice of cake.>> I hope it's the type you like.

Scout19075 Fri 28-Sep-12 22:40:21

Tornado journey has been cancelled due to industrial action of some sort so no trip to the train station early in the morning. However, still off to the Bluebell Line tomorrow and I have a very excited Toddler and MiL. We found the Thomas book about Stepney and the Bluebell Railway tonight and Toddler's eyes were wide with excitement as we read it at bedtime.

We have a book about a steam train at one of the little local steam lines near us and at the end the driver yells "Steam trains are magic!" Did YOU know?! Toddler has been going around talking about "Steam trains are magic! I love steam trains!"

Tomorrow will be his last steam train ride until November. Mom & Dad are planning on taking us to Lancaster to the train museum/line out there so Toddler will get to ride an American steam train.

beanandspud Fri 28-Sep-12 22:45:20

I like any cake grin - thank you! Don't let Guider Friend bother you, it sounds as if it's unintentional but just not very emotionally intelligent.

We had fun today trying to decipher Small Bean's fictional day at school...

SB: We all went to a field.
Me: OK, who went to the field?
SB: All of us. My class stood in one field and Mrs X's class stood in the other.
Me: And what did you do in the field?
SB: Nothing, we just stood there.
Me [Suddenly remembering something we'd see on tv]: Erm, was it a field trip?
SB: Yes - it was a field trip [excited]

I am losing hope of ever knowing what happens in his day and how much is just stories!

beanandspud Fri 28-Sep-12 22:49:03

Small Bean would love the American steam train - would you like an additional passenger?

Just planning ahead but would any Tearoomers like to try to meet up in half-term week, possibly in the South? I am planning to take Small Bean to London on the train, haven't worked out any details though.

Hello everyone! Was going to just launch in but then got intrigued by the discussion about what is acceptable/OK/normal at 2 .... am at present embroiled it what is normal/acceptable/behind at 6 ... please just ignore it. It will just move on to the next milestone.

And don't be pressurised into going to nursery if you don't really want it.Inless there is an amazing preschool in a garden like the one Wriggle went to one day a week. ie something much much better than home.

Anyway, back to us .... We have just had the most lovely day, out in a local garden-to-a-big-house-open-to-the-public. The house isn't open, just the garden, very casual; Wriggle paddled in the stream, climbed trees with her very very best friend, ate a picnic, posed the Sylvanians for photos ...

First time since Thursday that my headache has gone. On Thursday AP may have had a small stroke. Something definitely bad happened, although the gp doesn't know what. We have moved into a new stage of living with an Aged Parent. sad

<<Waving hopefully to Maude or Oxeye, the only ones, I think, who have similar experiences. But v. happy to see everyone.>>

ComeIntoTheGardenMaud Sat 29-Sep-12 19:35:33

::clasps LaBelleDame to her ample bosooom::

Oh dear about the Aged P. Will there be a scan? It seems to take a while to differentiate a stroke from something else. But how lovely about the garden and the paddling.

Shall we open some wine?

UniS Sat 29-Sep-12 20:09:48

ummmm wine the perfect accompaniment to free range 6 year olds.

<<UNiS waves encouragingly to LaDame from the other side of teh county boarder>>
6 yr olds are HARD work sometimes aren’t they, but delightful little people at other times. Boy enjoyed a bike ride this morning, came all unwilling to a wedding this afternoon, but thankfully sat quietly and read the beano all the way through the service.

That will be wonderful ... when she can read!

Maud, GP said (and I agree) we could do a scan, but it would be very unsettling and scarey and what is the point? Somehow, we have to learn to manage the situation as it is.

Lovely to see you, Maud and UniS ...

UniS Sat 29-Sep-12 20:35:58

I'm not sure how much READING of the beano goes on.. but he does sit and look at it intently for a good long time :-) He doesn't get the jokes and if he does read one aloud he tends to read it so wrong its makes no sense at all.

CMOTDibbler Sat 29-Sep-12 20:38:10

I agree that a scan is unlikely to help you help AP BelleDame. My mum has just had a load done for 'the pain in her legs that she thinks is her knees but is undoubtedly her back', and she's found it v difficult to process. Not that a lot makes sense these days sad

Scout, did you enjoy the Bluebell ? We lived in the town end of it for some years, and loved the Bluebell line

mistlethrush Sun 30-Sep-12 10:29:12

UniS - mc can devour the Beano in about 20 mins now.... and will read it going round the supermarket - so you have to steer him around....

Based upon how well 4 (then) onlies got on in Leeds earlier in the year, I don't think any of them were showing particular only traits - all got on really well with each other under the circs!

Sadly, Wriggle is demanding, unreasonable and hates sharing. sad We are working on it.

AP is so worried about 'being a burden'. Presumable I was quite a burden to her for the first few years ... why on earth shouldn't she be? And, apart from the emotions involved, she isn't. Just so worried that my sister will somehow not come here for our annual one-week holiday in France. Even last year, I think AP would have coped; this year, I don't think so. CMOT, how do you cope with saying the same thing at half hour intervals?????

Lovely day today in Salisbury, featuring a little but not quite enough cathedral and a bit too much TKMaxx. And lunch at the cathedral with lovely roast pork, but sadly no crackling and they had forgotten to cook the vegetables.

CMOTDibbler Sun 30-Sep-12 21:19:23

I have come to a sort of peace with it LaBelle by just accepting it. Sounds weird, but since I stopped being upset, and upset by her loss of language, I feel so much better about the whole thing. But was still in tears when ds's name started going from her vocab a few weeks ago. I don't know if I've recommended it before, but theres a book called 'Contented Dementia' which is great.

But think of us on Christmas day when we spend the day in their house with someone who has now developed an obsession on hoarding half eaten food, and has about 10 mins of conversation ability a day. And though she remembers more about the far past, she can't express any of it. Might be interesting.

ComeIntoTheGardenMaud Sun 30-Sep-12 21:25:08

Oh Cmot. I'm upset on your behalf.

I wasn't recommending a scan - I'm not sure how much value my mother's had, as I doubt it told them much they didn't know - simply asking whether it was on the cards.

wine and thanks for everyone

mistlethrush Mon 01-Oct-12 08:52:18

thanks and wine for all. We've got DH's GM with dementia and that's hard enough (mainly we're supporting his DM as she's having to shoulder most of the responsibility.

Christmas - I think the most 'interesting' Christmas was the one where we ate the nutroast that my mother had prepared and brought down to my grandmothers with us (as by then it was too much to do the whole meal preparation) and were relying on my grandmother's Christmas pudding - it seemed to be taking a long time being served and I went to see what was happening. It turns out that (because she had used 'recycled' tin foil etc on the top of the pudding) it came out of the saucepan with a nice green fringe on top.... which my parents were carefully removing, cleaning around the top of the bowl, removing a good lump of pudding from below the fringe zone and then turning the remnants of the pudding out to serve. My grandmother commented 'ooh its condensed down a lot this year'.

We also had the problem that it wasn't until she was well over 80 that she got a fridge, so never really got the hang of it - we regularly would turn up and find the butter and milk in the larder (where they had always been) and tins (unopened) in the fridge. The trouble was, whilst she used to keep the house really cold (think thermals and thick jumpers for any visit) she obviously needed it warmer when she was older and this wasn't conducive to things staying cold enough in the larder.

How we didn't all end up with food poisoning I don't know!

Mistledog is not at all well - mistlechick is really sad, as are we all. We're going to try to get a substitute hound asap, but want to make sure that its the right one rather than simply one that's available (been there, done that, not prepared to do that with mistlechick in the picture).

Donki Mon 01-Oct-12 22:15:56

I'm sorry to hear that Mistledog is ill - and my heart goes out to those who are having to cope with dementia in loved ones. I wish there were some wise words that I could say to help.

I know I haven't been around much lately, and no that my post graduate diploma has started, I will have even less time, so...

I am giving up MN for a while (2 years? Aargh!). Maybe not completely, but I don't suppose that I will be popping into the tea room much (although I will still be around in the RL tea room, at least reading posts from time to time). So I thought that I had better wave goodbye. Adieu!

<<Sweeps out the hay pile, and takes it down to Earl and Lady Grey>>
<<Hangs up the galvanised bucket in case it is needed>>
<<Checks the carrot sack - thankfully, it being a sack of requirement, the remaining carrots are not mouldy - and gives it to Mellors for the horses>>
<<Takes a last glance around the tea room (for a while, anyway)>>
<<Waves goodbye>>
<<Shut door behind self>>

ComeIntoTheGardenMaud Mon 01-Oct-12 22:24:04

Oh, Donki. I understand why you're leaving/stepping back, but I'll miss you. All the very best for the diploma and, well, everything.

UniS Mon 01-Oct-12 23:47:44

fare well donki,
fare thee well donki,
The carrots will still be fresh when you come back.

there will forever be a slightly hayish patch on the tea room floor.

mistlethrush Tue 02-Oct-12 08:08:30

<puts hay net and bucket in the packing case to bring along >

Does anyone know which is the body to write to to complain about your internet provider?


Wriggle's teacher asked me how I was today. She won't be making that mistake again (pushing me bodily into the Head's office, frantically searching for tissues) I was just trying to explain why Wriggle might have dissolved into tears twice in one morning. AP had got completely lost upstairs in her own house and Wriggle and I sat down and cried for 10 minutes before we washed our faces and went to school.

However, one problem at a time. Is there a particular body one can use to hang draw and quarter and publically humiliate complain about your internet provider?

Banderchang Tue 02-Oct-12 17:07:37

Sorry to hear so many are having a hard time with loved ones at the moment. And bye to Donki - best of luck with your diploma!

LaBelle I don't know who you would write to in order to complain about your internet provider, but I have always had some success tweeting the actual company so that your complaint is visible to all and sundry. I had results from our local council re bin collections and Boden re deliveries when I tweeted them after days/weeks of frustrating emails and phonecalls about bad service. A coincidence? I think not!

Jacksmania Tue 02-Oct-12 18:03:15

Hi all. Warm (((((((*HUGS*))))))) to all who need them, who are struggling with problems, have aging parents or ill parents to support, whose dogs are ill, who are being made to feel insecure by friends, and anything else I may have forgotten when I skim-read quickly.

I am now going to retreat to the priest hole. I have just yesterday been to the GP and have been diagnosed with shingles. I hurt and do not feel at all well. Going to go lie down now.

Scout19075 Tue 02-Oct-12 19:47:48

(Hugs) to all those that need and/or would like one (or more -- I'm not stingy when it comes to hugs).

We've booked our tickets home -- YAY! -- but not for an extended trip -- Boo! Still a chance we might be going early thanks to MrScout's work but nothing confirmed yet. Very sad about the lack of extended trip.

Yesterday was MrScout's and my wedding anniversary. The three of us went for pizza when MrScout was done work. Toddler saw balloons in the restaurant and kept asking for one. I played the "if you eat your pizza nicely we'll ask if you can have one" card (I didn't fancy being balloon bounced for the entire meal). He did, so we did, and he clutched that red balloon (it had to be a red one) like a treasured old friend. He held the ribbon all the way home, even in his full, overly-tired stupor he didn't let go. When we got home I came in and went upstairs to get Toddler's stuff ready for changing/bedtime while MrScout got TS out of the car. He told Toddler to keep the balloon inside the car until he got out so the balloon didn't get blown away. Sadly the balloon got blown out of the car and I could hear the sobs from inside "Balloon! Red balloon! Get it Daddy! Get red balloon!" The whole changing nappy/clothes he just sobbed "Red balloon! Red balloon gone! Want red balloon!" The last thing he mentioned to me before I left his bedroom and the first thing he said to us this morning was "Red balloon." All day (and I do mean ^all day^) he spoke of nothing but "Red balloon sad. Red balloon away. Red balloon see sun. Sad red balloon. Ask for new red balloon?" Even in bed tonight, having kisses and cuddles goodnight, the last thing he said was "Red balloon sad."

This is going to be one of those things he remembers into adulthood, isn't it?

mistlethrush Tue 02-Oct-12 19:58:10

wine all round by the sound of it.

Remember so many balloons going off on adventures, which of course need to be described ... at length.

UniS Tue 02-Oct-12 22:39:22

Do you think that ballon might be on its way to a windmill or maybe to Deon... If ist devon it rather wet and windy so balloon had best seek a friendly engine shed to spend the night in.

Jacksmania Wed 03-Oct-12 00:57:43

<a muffled voice is heard from the Priest Hole>

If there's any wine going, I'd have some. And an Indian takeaway.

Left work early. Thought I could just soldier on as usual (with obvious safety precautions in terms of asking everyone if they've had chickenpox, and rescheduling my pregnant patients) but apparently not. The meds (acyclovir) are kicking my arse. I'm so tired.
Came home, no-one here, got into my PJs and fluffy robe and am curled up on my bed in the late afternoon sunshine. West-facing bedroom. Bliss.
All that's missing is some wine and Indian food.

UniS Wed 03-Oct-12 19:30:43

wine lowered down in teh dumb waiter to JM in her hour of need. Mellors is just off to pick up your takeaway and will serve it to you shortly. He has no fear of shingles or chickenpox being but a figment of our imagination, but he is stunningly good looking.

Jacksmania Wed 03-Oct-12 20:08:41

Well, that always helps. Ask him to bring an extra pillow, would you? I can't believe how ouchy this is sad

I love the sound of your fluffy robe and west-facing room, Jacks.

UniS Wed 03-Oct-12 20:32:10

Mellors also brings soothing nice things to ease your discomfort.

And of course choclate and biscuits

Jacksmania Wed 03-Oct-12 20:37:53

I really love our new house, LaBelle. I'd like to be sitting in the garden right now, it's the most gorgeous sunny October day. My yellow begonia is still blooming madly away. I think I'm going to plant a bunch of them next year.
Trying to rest a bit before its time to pick up JB at preschool.

Scout19075 Wed 03-Oct-12 21:11:41

Toddler still mentioned the lost red balloon today. Not as frequently or with such gusto but he still talked about it a lot.

We will never live down the lost balloon, will we?

Jacksmania Wed 03-Oct-12 21:39:28

Probably not. JB still talk about the one we lost after his birthday party. It was pirate balloon. FFS, this was back in March.

Scout19075 Wed 03-Oct-12 21:41:54

Was it a mylar one, JM?

Jacksmania Wed 03-Oct-12 22:05:12

No, a black balloon with a white pirate face. Went out the car window as we drove away from his birthday party. Oh, the tears... sad

Scout19075 Wed 03-Oct-12 22:11:43

Poor JB. sad

Toddler's was a red latex one. You know the type -- barely make it to the ceiling in the restaurant, hover mid-height by bedtime and are sad & sorry & on the floor by morning.

Can I tease Toddler about his overreaction when he's a grown man?

beanandspud Wed 03-Oct-12 22:34:54

::Passes more wine down to JM and tops up the glasses for everyone else::

Only been away for a couple of days and I have missed so much.

Poor Mistledog (and sad for Family MT)

Sorry for TS and the missing balloon, we had similar with a green balloon over the summer - it was forgotten as soon as the next one arrived thank goodness. Good news about your trip home though Scout, it must be nice to have it booked finally?

JM, I hope you make a speedy recovery.

And Donki, we will miss you. Do stick your head in occasionally and good luck with the studying.

Jacksmania Wed 03-Oct-12 23:32:23

SarahStratton was talking about cake on another thread. Now I want cake.

I'm so tired. Am sat at the playground while JB is playing. It's gorgeous and sunny and I want to lie down and nap. JB wants to ride his bike to the Mac's which is like a gas station store and get a slurpee. It must be 3 km there and back to our house. I feel like such a weenie but I don't think I can do it. Bugger.

UniS Wed 03-Oct-12 23:44:25

Cake- you want cake. Then you shall have cake.

"Mellors" bellowed UniS " The lassy wants cake, chop chop"

would you like a windsor tart? I can recommend them, a local speciality .

mistlethrush Thu 04-Oct-12 08:03:56

The mistledog situation is still on-going... But not for long I think - she has been in pain but happily eating - we got something for the pain and now she's not eating, and that was one of the few things that she was still keen on. sad I hate seeing her in pain.

We've been talking up a 'new dog' with mistlechick - not that even he wants to lose mistledog, but at least it distracts for a bit at least.

Nice and sunny here this morning. I've got lots of work to do, but I'm going to have to walk into town at lunchtime because I forgot to bring my soup in with me today.

Scout19075 Thu 04-Oct-12 15:09:52

Three a.m. -- talk of the red balloon. ARGH!

How are you today, JM?

I've decided that maybe, perhaps, the NHS is annoying and I can see why people struggle with it. I had a letter today from the hospital and in it is said that I wouldn't be starting round two until 2014. Originally spring 2012, then spring 2013 and now 2014. ARGH. They did say they'd keep my appointment that is already booked for January 2013 and we'd discuss/review things then. Double argh!

Jacksmania Thu 04-Oct-12 18:27:18

What??? Scout, that's ridiculous sad
I'm so sorry to hear that.

And the 3 am wake-up call for the red balloon sad

Here, have some tea and cake and a ((((((*HUG*))))).

And another hug for the Mistle family. Poor Mistle Dog sad

I just came back from the GP. She gave me a prescription for some type of non-addictive sleep aid, and something to calm down the itch. Pain not too bad. Since I stayed home and did almost nothing yesterday, it didn't hurt as much. So I believe I'll be doing more of the same. Although I have to admit, I'm bored already. Sigh.
It was also time for my annual pelvic exam (what fun) and I promise not to TMI but she found something that needs to be looked at (benign but unpleasant), and that, coupled with some ongoing concerns regarding my ability, or lack thereof, to, erm, clench, means she's initiating another gynae referral. Fun times.

Wasn't that a fabulous lack of oversharing? I did well, I think! grin

Scout19075 Thu 04-Oct-12 20:05:15

I'm nervous about waiting and quite frankly a bit pissed off about being flubbed off for two years when they wanted to start round one asap. MrScout says I should talk to my GP to see if I can find out what the priority criteria is, how can I bump myself up on the list and who (which PCT) is paying for me (I live in one but the hospital is in another) which may affect my place on the list. I hate fights discussions like this but if I don't fight for myself no one else will. (Why is it I can fight for Toddler without hesitation but won't stand up for myself?)

I hope, JM, you're taking it easy! Your oversharing TMI stories always make me wince (in pain, usually, not by the oversharing) but smile at the same time. I hope everything is okay.

I've just made a batch of tangy onion chutney for Christmas time. It's cooling before I jar it up.

Mom's getting very excited about our upcoming trip and we've been planning our days/trips out. Now that Toddler's older we can take him out, do things, have adventures. It looks like, so far, we have a day out to the train museum/steam trains, a day at the outlets, a trip to the Crayola Factory and a trip to the Please Touch Museum. Wahoo!

ComeIntoTheGardenMaud Thu 04-Oct-12 20:40:59

Scout - You could also check where all of that fits with the guidelines on waiting times. I know that hospitals have dodges to get around the guidelines I was prey to them myself, but I outsmarted them but I find it hard to believe that such a delay is within them.

Ouch, JM. You have made me have another go at my PF exercises. Get well soon and good luck with the further exam.

ComeIntoTheGardenMaud Thu 04-Oct-12 20:42:12

Oh and Crayola Factory sounds like my notion of heaven!

Scout19075 Thu 04-Oct-12 20:53:11

Crayola Factory I went once, YEARS ago, as a chaperone with my mom's class of three-year olds. I think Toddler is a perfect age for it. And the Please Touch Museum is going to be a great day out for Toddler, too. It's a given that steam train day is a Toddler's idea of heaven.

beanandspud Thu 04-Oct-12 22:27:20

I'll join you in the queue for the Crayola museum Maud!

sad for red balloon, it will pass, honest.

Grandma and Grandpa Bean are with us for a few days which is lovely and Small Bean has been so excited to see them.

Picked Small Bean up from school today...

Teacher: Small Bean has been telling us all about his trip to X, and the plane ride, the hotel, and the rugby games he saw including all about the players and the badges on their shirts ...

Me: confused Erm, but we've never been to X

Teacher: hmm But he was so convincing.

Creative writing classes, here we come!!!

Anyone for wine? Tomorrow is the first day this week I haven't got to get up before 5am - hurrah!

Scout19075 Thu 04-Oct-12 22:38:29

<<Ponders how to sneak Maud, Girl, bean and SmallBean into the Crayola Factory along with the ScoutCamp>>

I have a feeling this trip home is going to cost us a small fortune in goodies for Toddler.

Scout19075 Thu 04-Oct-12 22:39:57

Oh, yes please bean! I could go for a RL wine but it's too late to have one.

Jacksmania Thu 04-Oct-12 23:01:10

Hey, there was no oversharing in my post at all! [hmmpff]

Scout19075 Thu 04-Oct-12 23:25:25

I didn't say there was. I was just saying I do love your TMI/oversharing posts (as well as those when you don't).


mistlethrush Thu 04-Oct-12 23:32:53

wine for all... again.

UniS Thu 04-Oct-12 23:34:05

some kids do tell VERY good stories don;t they. One of boys mates regaled me with a tale of watersking on holiday, I thought it unlikely for a 5 yr old....

Jacksmania Fri 05-Oct-12 00:06:43


mistlethrush Fri 05-Oct-12 08:37:12

JM you were very restrained and we're all sending thanks.

mistlechick is very good at stories - including ones about knights and dragons etc but seems to be completely unable to get them down on paper. He can put huge amounts of imagination and description into telling a story verbally and it comes out in short stilted sentences when down on the written page, lacking most of the detail. I'm not sure he's got over his Yr1 experience yet.

In the summer I had some sort of premonition about mistledog I think - and went out of my way to get some nice pictures of her and mc playing on the beach together - got some nice short videos of her playing too.

ComeIntoTheGardenMaud Fri 05-Oct-12 10:24:36

Has anyone seen the billboards with all the James Bonds on it? Mellors is wearing just the glowering expression he does when someone puts the lawnmower back in the shed without refilling it with petrol.

Banderchang Fri 05-Oct-12 11:21:42

Sorry to hear about Toddler's balloon Scout. Can someone explain Mellors to a newbie?

ComeIntoTheGardenMaud Fri 05-Oct-12 11:32:14

Aha. Mellors is is the tea room handyman, gardener and general factotum. He is adept at serving cocktails and champagne to those in need or distress, and does a marvellous aromatherapy massage when one is feeling tense. He can also give riding or swimming lessons, depending on the tea room's current location. He is always immaculately dressed, whether in jodhpurs, swimming apparel, a tuxedo or his gardening garb (although the Tattersall check shirt may have to be removed in very hot weather). He looks just as you would wish him to look, which might be Wesley Snipes, Cameron Diaz or (to me) Daniel Craig. He seldom speaks.

His only fault is that he gets a teensy-weensy bit jealous of the cardboard cutout of George Clooney which we nicked liberated from outside an Odeon very many tea rooms ago.

CMOTDibbler Fri 05-Oct-12 11:48:39

Sending love to your lady parts and shingles JM.

I am tired today - the 2 hr time difference to Helsinki really messes me up, but its always nice to visit the team.

Anyone for sticky cakes ? Calorie and allergy free of course

mistlethrush Fri 05-Oct-12 12:54:02

Hello Bander - good to see you again, I was just hoping we'd not managed to show anyone the door already blush

CMot sticky cake would be lovely thank you.

I'm now completely all over the place. Tuesday evening mistledog was so bad I told DH that we either needed some more pain killers or we needed to get the vet over - but Wednesday was quite a bit better, and we have got some more meds. Meanwhile the puppy I'd thought might be a goer went. And this morning 2nd choice puppy is also reserved. I don't know what to feel - should I be sad that we've not got them or happy that we still have mistledog even though she's now in pain, am I being hard hearted looking before she goes or simply practical? (We don't want a big gap - we would like something to keep mistlechick (and ourselves) distracted as much as anything else). How will we know when its time?

Banderchang Fri 05-Oct-12 17:12:27

Thanks for the Mellors explanation Maud. Sounds like a useful sort of chap to have around!

Mistlethrush that sounds like such a difficult situation with mistledog sad . PILs had a similar situation with their labrador a few years back. They ended up with around a 4 month gap between dogs, but I don't know to what extent that was planned or just how long it took to find a puppy. The original dog went downhill very fast so there wasn't much time for a "handover" for want of a better word.

I've just had an afternoon off after a manic week at work. DS and I baked a carrot cake and made lemon/vanilla cream cheese icing to go on top. Anyone fancy a slice? Only virtual calories, so they don't count!

CMOTDibbler Fri 05-Oct-12 18:27:56

My new theory Mistle, is that when you think 'tomorrow will be the day' then today is probably the day. But you do know when it comes though sad
When the last cat to go needed to be pts, we actually stopped at the Cats Protection League on the way home, and came out of there (previous adopters) with a kitten. The house way going to be way too empty without him.

On Tuesday, we are being assessed by Greyhound rescue to see if we are suitable !

Carrot cake would be lovely. Today has felt like a long day as I started off with a conf call to Oz, so they were off for a beer when we finished !

mistlethrush Fri 05-Oct-12 18:44:57

Fingers crossed for a positive Maud!

I like greyhounds - a friend has a pair of ex racers. However, I think we would like something that's a little bit smaller (sort of collie sized) and possibly a little less 'independant' in the house (ie liking to curl up on your lap / foot / somewhere near you...) I was looking at Greyhound gap though as they have some lurchers too....

I thought the day was Weds - because she was bad on Tuesday night - but Weds was better and we picked up some more painkillers and she's not been as bad. She's still enjoying food and going for a very short (although time consuming) walk and woofing down the garden.... We will definitely get the vet to visit though - she doesn't like the vets and I hope we will be able to get by without taking her in again.

Cake would be good. As would wine

Jacksmania Fri 05-Oct-12 19:47:05

Here, mistle, have both cake and wine.
I agree that you will know when the time has come. I doubt you will all remember but my poor old Bucky-cat died end of August 2009. I knew he'd been extremely poorly for a few days and when he was unable to walk on the Saturday morning, we knew it was time.
I'm so sorry. It's so hard.

CMOT - thank you, and your post made me <snort>grin "sending love to my ladybits" - I don't think anyone except DH has ever said that grin

I'm starting to feel a bit more human. Still tired, but the blisters are starting to scab over (sorry to be disgusting) so they don't itch as badly, and I'm actually really not hurting much at all. Back's still a bit achy but that's it.
Happy days.

I'm hoping to persuade DS to leave his Lego for a short bit so we can go to the garden centre and buy a half whiskey barrel. I'd like to half bury it in the front and plant something pretty and colourful in it. I suspect that will be the end of my energy for today but it's something more than I've accomplished in the last few days smile

mistlethrush Fri 05-Oct-12 19:58:32

Glad to hear that you're doing slightly better JM - but don't try to do too much too soon.

UniS Fri 05-Oct-12 19:59:28

Cake- yes please , a slice of carrot cake and maybe one of sticky cake too. Can I offer you coffee cake with nutella frosting in return.

Sympathy MT, glad you got some nice memory photos in the summer.

Jacksmania Fri 05-Oct-12 20:02:36

Did someone say Nutella frosting? How do you make that?? YUM!

mistlethrush Fri 05-Oct-12 20:03:57

JM.. surely you just open a jar and spread it on?

UniS Fri 05-Oct-12 20:13:56

Nope, plain nutella tends to slide off cakes. but mixed with glace icing it sticks better, and tastes yummy. I did also use cocoa powder - so now boy is refusing to eat it . Tragic. All the more for ME ... <<Unis gives an evil cackle>>

Jacksmania Fri 05-Oct-12 20:22:05

Mistle, I thought that , but someone mentioned there is actually frosting that has Nutella as an ingredient.

UniS, how do you make glace icing? I probably know, but we often call things by a different name here in Canadia.

UniS Fri 05-Oct-12 20:24:07

Glace icing - icing sugar ( powdered sugar) and water.

I make this bit on the runny side, then stir in a good dollop of nutella till the whole lot stiffens up a bit .

Stop sniggering at the back.

Jacksmania Fri 05-Oct-12 20:47:27

Ok, that's what i thought. Thanks! Must try with DS.

mistlethrush Fri 05-Oct-12 21:37:22

You see, I don't know this sort of thing as I don't do things with chocolate (for obvious reasons)

Scout19075 Fri 05-Oct-12 22:00:16

Ooooohhhh, that sounds yummy!

I have a batch of this on the stove at the moment. Thought I'd try something new this year (it seems like every year since my pregnancy I add something new to my Christmas cooking/baking repertoire). My house smells loverly!

Only one mention of "red balloon sad" today and thankfully Toddler waited until MrScout and I were actually awake and able to talk to him about it. I managed to get out of him (though how accurate it is I don't know) that he's not sad about the balloon but that the balloon is sad at being blown away from him.

MomScout sent me some links of some of Toddler's birthday presents (she's keeping them there for him to open and have toys to play with at their house). TS saw some of them and while he doesn't realize they're presents waiting for him he seemed quite keen on a couple of the bits he saw. Bad Scout, I know, and next year I'll have to watch myself much more carefully.

MT, what kind of dog is MistleDog?

JM, are you actually resting? <<Gives JM a stern look>>

Does anyone need a wine top up?

mistlethrush Fri 05-Oct-12 23:37:14

mistledog is a proper mutt.... We got her as a whippet cross - but she's got more greyhound than whippet - max of 1/8th! Bit of lab or retriver, possibly bit of alsatian and or ridgeback.....

Jacksmania Sat 06-Oct-12 03:44:21

I had an unexpected burst of energy today so we went to a garden centre in Abbotsford (about 30 km away) and I found my much-longed-for half whiskey barrel smile

They had hanging baskets of white geraniums for a song (CDN$ 5.00) so I bought a pair to hang on the planter hooks at the front of the house. It gets sun all afternoon which is perfect for geraniums. I also got some pansies just to add some colour.

Now I have to decide what to actually do with my barrel. Knock holes in the bottom, half bury it and use it as a mixed bulb planter? The depth means it would make an amazing bulb "lasagne". Latest bloomers on the bottom, earliest on top.
Or, turn on its side and half bury it (tipped back a little) and plant pretty colourful things in it and make it look like it's spilling out?

We also went to Costco (Scout will know) for bulk shopping, and then to our local supermarket to buy our Thanksgiving turkey, since its Canadian Thanksgiving this weekend.

Erm, and I washed and folded a load of laundry. All this between about noon and 6 pm. Like I said, a surprising burst of energy given I've been lying around the last few days. I'm a little tired now. Actually I'm parked on the couch and DH can pretty much pick up from here. grin
But in my defence, JB and I sat and lay around most of the morning, until about noon. He played Lego and I read/ MNd.

<JM tiptoes out, leaving an assortment of wine, brew, biscuits and other snacks for late-night tea room visitors>

See you all tomorrow!

mistlethrush Sat 06-Oct-12 09:19:04

Why does it need half burrying JM? I like the sound of the bulb lasagne though.

Please don't try to do too much - shingles is nasty!

Jacksmania Sat 06-Oct-12 18:02:33

Oh not to worry - it was loathsome, I do NOT need a relapse!! <shudder>

You half-bury whiskey barrels because they're HUGE. Or a third could be enough. Basically would want enough of it underground so you have something to plant pretty things in. That's if they're on their side.

As a bulb planter I suppose I could just plop it down.

ComeIntoTheGardenMaud Sat 06-Oct-12 20:12:43

JM - As your transatlantic garden design consultant, I have to say I looove the idea of the barrel at an angle, planted with soft things that tumble out like water.

oxeye Sun 07-Oct-12 16:45:16

ouch to your ladybits JM and yes rest and yes flowing waterfall like flowers from barrel

Mistle so sorry about dog. You will know. Even though OxHound was ill on and off for 2 years we knew when it was time. gaps are hard. we are still dog free but it is deceptively easy....

Maud, yes, I have even touched the life size Skyfall poster since I just happened to be close to it at the cinema and couldn't help a quick stroke....

Oxboy lives in a parallel universe, often things that haven't happened are totally true - but I think on balance his world is better than mine "oh mummy I am sorry I wasn't listening but my head was just so full of jolly plans" - and yes,he is part Enid Blyton

I am longing for another baby, aching, gah I can't seperate why or emotion from practical but a few friends have just had babies and Oxboy is begging for one.... it is too hard - do I say "no" because it is impractical - technically hard - inconvenient - because we were shattered by the end of the journey that led to Oxboy and I have forgotten?? hard indeed to answer and not possible even to voice in RL - I am normally very good at placing things and recognising feelings for what they are but this makes me flounder!

ComeIntoTheGardenMaud Sun 07-Oct-12 19:17:06

::Clasps Oxeye to her ample bosooom::

You stroked James Bond? You hussy.

I have no idea what to say about the baby hunger. For very nearly all the time, I have felt that we were so fortunate to have The Girl that it would be greedy and presumptuous to hope for more, but I did have that sort of wobble when my antenatal group started announcing second pregnancies. But, faced with the reality that for us the journey would be (as you say) impractical, technically hard verging on impossible (as it was first time) and emotionally shattering, the wobble soon passed. It is odd, and disorientating, and very hard to voice in RL. What does OxBloke think?

Have some wine and, if you wish, some further [clasping].

Oxeye, how difficult to still have a choice. I agonised about trying again; it failed, which was heartbreaking. Would it have been better not to try ... I don't know. Wriggle was too young to understand; would Oxboy understand? (Yes, we are trying to have another baby/No, we don't want to have another baby) Probably the person who helped me to come to terms with this most was Maud.

ComeIntoTheGardenMaud Sun 07-Oct-12 21:01:00

Really, LaBelleDame? I'm humbled to think so, but find it hard to beleive that my wafflings and ramblings help anyone.

You are absolutely right that it's the element (or not) of choice that lies at the heart of the difficulty. What helped me was the realisation that, realistically, we probably had only the illusion of choice, because we could choose to set off down the path again but the chances of arriving at the destination were vanishingly small - we'd managed it once, but the odds really were stacked against our managing it again. So, really, our choice wasn't baby/ no baby but gruelling journey to uncertain destination/arriving spontaneously at probably the same destination.

mistlethrush Sun 07-Oct-12 21:41:28

((((oxeye)))) Been there, done that, know what it feels like. Getting over it is tough. We could, I suppose, have continued down that route, but for us there was so much angst associated that it would have torn us in pieces... DS would have been a wonderful big brother... and he has asked if he could have a sibling. More recently though, he has commented that he would have to share our time - and that its not necessarily all roses with younger siblings - so there is hope.

MIstledog has had a reasonable weekend, but is in pain this evening - don't think it will be long.

Scout19075 Sun 07-Oct-12 21:44:03

Oh oxeye, no words of wisdom but lots of wine and ((hugs)).

I'm useless in situations like this.

I always felt like the decision was taken from me even though I could have chosen to put things off and try for another and was okay with it but when I got the letter from the hospital saying they were putting things off until 2014 my first thought was "Bastards! We could have tried/had a second BabyScout!" blush Not a very positive thought. My nieces/nephews have apparently been talking about when I have another baby which makes me a bit angry I guess lingering resentment over a statement my BiL made two years ago. I dread Toddler asking about a brother or sister but am hoping that maybe because he doesn't like babies (never has been interested in them when all of the other children were/are) that maybe he won't ask too much.

ComeIntoTheGardenMaud Sun 07-Oct-12 21:54:49

That must be very hard, Scout.

Have some wine and [bosooom clasping] yourself.

Have you made any progress in checking whether the hospital is 'allowed' to defer you for so long?

Scout19075 Sun 07-Oct-12 22:14:12

Thanks, Maud. blush I tried not to dwell on that thought regarding the letter and haven't mentioned it to MrScout as he's happy with our family of three (so am I but when peers of Toddler's are about to be big brothers/sisters for the third time it's hard to not feel a bit sad about it). To be honest I think Toddler's happy and likes having not only the one-on-one attention being an only provides but the peace and quiet it provides. He enjoyed holiday with his cousins, the balls of noise they are but seemed visibly relieved when we got back to my PiL and then home where he was a solidary child with control over his toys and the ability to just sit and think/ponder/explore/play at his leisure.

I have calling the GP on my list of things to do this week, Maud. To be honest I was spittin' mad last week and if I had contacted the GP or the hospital I might have said something I would regret.

How's the lovely Girl, Maud?

Scout19075 Sun 07-Oct-12 22:18:24

Right, who would like some chocolate?

I have ice cream, sauce, sprinkles, bars, drinking hot & cold, biscuits and cake.

ComeIntoTheGardenMaud Sun 07-Oct-12 22:21:08

I'd love a hot chocolate, please.

The Girl is (obviously and naturally) fabulous. She has a badge for you, which I'll mail in the week.

::Proffers cookies::

Scout19075 Sun 07-Oct-12 22:25:52

I think I have chocolate marshmallows somewhere, Maud, would you like some with your hot chocolate?

Oooohhhh, a badge. I like badges. grin I have "go to the council shop and buy badges" on my list of things to do next month when we go home.

ComeIntoTheGardenMaud Sun 07-Oct-12 22:28:17

Yes, this one is a new badge and a goodie!

No thank you to the marshmallows, but I'll have the hot chocolate as I'm on my way to bed now.

::rock and roll lifestyle::

Good night!

Scout19075 Sun 07-Oct-12 22:30:29

<<Hands Maud her hot chocolate which is just the right temperature for drinking.>> Don't forget your warm fuzzy blanket -- it's a chilly night tonight!

beanandspud Sun 07-Oct-12 22:32:33

I'd love a hot chocolate too please!

Just enjoying half an hour of peace. GPs are still here and we've had a great weekend but sometimes I just need a bit of time to myself to think. Mr Bean is away all week so from tomorrow it'll just be me and Small Bean in charge.

No good advice Oxeye I'm afraid as we did, in theory, have a choice as to whether to have another child but for all sorts of reasons it wouldn't have been the right thing for us. I love being a little family unit but I do occasionally get the 'what if?' pangs and also the 'is it really too late to change our mind?' feeling. It happens less as Small Bean gets older and the hypothetical age gap increases, I just can't imagine trying to entertain a 7year old and a 2year old for example. Small Bean did announce tonight that he would have four children (apparently single-handedly grin). I also second LaBelle in that I find Maud's wise words very comforting.

Scout19075 Sun 07-Oct-12 22:33:56

<<Passes bean a hot chocolate, again the perfect temperature for drinking.>> Marshmallows are here on the side if you'd like some.

ComeIntoTheGardenMaud Sun 07-Oct-12 22:41:23

Yum, yum!

::Waves to Bean as she climbs the wooden hill to Bedfordshire::

beanandspud Sun 07-Oct-12 22:43:36

Yum, thank you Scout. I do hope you get some answers from the hospital/doctor this week.

oxeye Mon 08-Oct-12 00:57:46

(((hugs)))) all round - thank you my dears, just your immediate understanding makes me feel better!
sorry not to post but MN has been on go slow.

Bean you hit the nail on the head, I think technically possible to make another attempt but impossible for all sorts of other reasons, but a friend has just had a very late baby which suddenly makes me think am I just living a safe life and avoiding the issue? And Oxboy is so very keen - although with the idea I think rather than the reality - but like MC he would be a great big brother <sigh>

I too find Maud very comforting - thank you all

Scout how frustrating about the treatment

and yes, I stroked the full size cut out lying down Bond <drool>

with that thought I am off to bed

Jacksmania Mon 08-Oct-12 04:35:13

<joins line of those who gratefully soak up Maud's words of wisdom and comfort>

I'm tired. I overdid it today. Didn't want to but being Canadian Thanksgiving, I sort of had to. Cooked our turkey dinner for DH, MIL and me, and cleaned up after. Doesn't sound like much but turkey, sour cream and garlic mashed potatoes, sautéed veg and giblet gravy is pretty much an all-day, almost-every-pot kind of affair. MIL makes the loveliest stuffing ever so she brought that, and a lemon pudding cake.
I am proud to say I did not eat too much. I didn't even eat close to too much. V v v proud. Normally at this time I'd be in a turkey coma.

Night everyone. Sweet dreams.

Scout19075 Mon 08-Oct-12 07:43:24

Mmmm, turkey coma. Happy Thanksgiving JM!

mistlethrush Mon 08-Oct-12 08:06:48

BeanandSpud - you're very welcome to use mistlechick as a quasi older-sibling... we're not that far away. I suppose we too could have continued trying - but I think it would have been detrimental to our mental health, possibly marriage, if not physical health... Enough was enough. Buggy sold to a mner now which sort of puts a good line under the whole thing.

If anyone knows of someone with medium sized cross breed puppies that might be suitable, please let me know. Willing to travel to get the right one to fit in (will need to be able to keep up with mistlechick and want to play hide and seek in the woods and generally become part of the team)

CMOTDibbler Mon 08-Oct-12 08:54:42

Again, we could have tried to have another, but decided that we couldn't put ourselves through the possibilities of repeated miscarriages again, and the possibility of another prem birth. Although I have the occasional pang, I know that was the right choice, and now physically I couldn't manage, so thats that.

On another note, Maud, could you advise on suitable bulbs to layer in our new big planters (3 x 6 ft by 2 ft) which form a retaining wall in the garden. I'd like to put them in at different depths to give as long a display as poss without me doing anything with them

Scout19075 Mon 08-Oct-12 09:00:49

Toddler woke up this morning talking about the "'venture in my sleep" (dream). So we asked what adventures did he have and he said "Balloon blow away. Got it! I got it!" So I think in his dream he managed to rescue/save the blowing away balloon. He was smiling talking about his dream and I think hope he's now made some peace with his blown away red balloon. He also fell overboard almost off our bed this morning and hit his head on the bedframe. As he sobbed he said "Feel better! Make feel better!" Normally he tries to shrug off most attempts at hugs/kisses/rubs better.

I noticed this morning how long he is. The 4T pajamas I put him in last month had a bit of a sag to them (all-in-one footy PJs with zipper so bum down to his knees) and this morning the bum is more where it should be in the bum area. He's been impossible to keep full this past week and on Saturday evening ate almost an entire individual pizza (I don't push food and normally just cut up what I think he'll eat but he kept saying "More cut pizza!" and then scoffing what I cut). I'm going to try to get hand prints, foot prints and height measurement of him on his third birthday (isn't it the third birthday they say measure them on and times it by two to get their full-grown height?).

beanandspud Mon 08-Oct-12 09:56:36

I think Small Bean would love having MC as a quasi-brother grin - we should try to get together before Winter sets in?

:: makes brew for everyone and passes around warm scones::

::waits (notebook ready) for Maud to come back with bulb advice::

mistlethrush Mon 08-Oct-12 10:01:58

That would be lovely Bean, yes please - we could see if Donki could spare an hour or two from her studies too (I have her phone number).

I have been trying to get some long-sleeved school shirts for mc (he's still in summer uni at the moment with short sleeves). I go for the version in the renowned store that indicates that its very non iron (as I try to avoid ironing).

We got him some 'standard' 10s - and also some 'long' 10s and have discovered that, even though he's only 7.5, we really need the 'long' 10s if there's any chance of the sleeves being long enough by the end of the Easter term! I know DH is large, but this is ridiculous!!!

UniS Mon 08-Oct-12 10:06:49

scout- glad TS had a dream about red balloon he was happy with. Measure at 3 sounds plausible. I just look at the centile lines in Boys red book. he has stuck very neatly to the same line since age 1, so I think its a reasonable guide. Boy will be a 6 footer, which is not a surprise as all the men in my family are 6 ft or more.

I have just spent 40 minutes hunting for my house keys :-( we had to walk to school ( in the rain ) as no house keys means no bikes out of garage. I found them, eventually. under papers on the desk. Why I put them there I do not know.

yes please to virtual choc in celebration. a bar I think.

Choice to be small family here. I don't seem to get broody , in fact I have very little desire to even visit friends with tiny babies and find my self thinking " you mug" rather than "congratulations " when people announce subsequent pregnancies. Even if we did change minds, its too late, have taken irreversible steps.

UniS Mon 08-Oct-12 10:08:22

Boy is in long trousers for school for 1st time this term today. Also had central heating on for 1st time this morning. Tis very dismal and soggy today.

CMOTDibbler Mon 08-Oct-12 10:16:24

It is grim isn't it ? DS wears shorts all year round, which is a good thing based on growth velocity - yesterday we went to a donutting party at a dry ski slope and his age 7-8 leggings were so short he needed to put on knee length socks to cover up. Red book says he'll be 6'5, which is about right based on his cousins

Anyone for calorie free hot drinks and cakes ?

mistlethrush Mon 08-Oct-12 10:17:56

UniS - I'll force mc into his trousers after half term. Not sure when I'll win on trousers rather than shorts at home though! DH has a tendency to wear them from March - November....

Scout19075 Mon 08-Oct-12 10:34:56

Toddler also keeps asking for a balloon at Nana & Grandpa's house for his birthday. I think I'll have to go and get him a mylar one to wake up to on the day (his birthday is on a weekend day and we'll be at the PiL to celebrate).

I'm lucky that Toddler still wears what I put him in. He rarely protests.

We have a different plumber coming on Wednesday to sort out our boiler. I last one last winter was rubbish. He kept saying "I'll order this part and be back" and never did despite MrScout harassing calling him regularly. I'm hoping this means our hot water will be properly hot and we won't be at risk to waking up with no heat. We haven't turned the heat on yet this winter and I think we're trying to hold out until the boiler is fixed.

Scout19075 Mon 08-Oct-12 11:51:27

GP appointment to discuss hospital stuff booked. Gah. Why am I nervous about this?

ComeIntoTheGardenMaud Mon 08-Oct-12 13:52:45

Because dealing with authority figures is always a bit unnerving, Scout especially if you're a wimp like me.

Right. Bulbs. First some questions.

Is there/will there be anything else in these planters - shrubs, ground cover etc?

What sort of look are you after - bold and architectural? Pretty and dainty? Modern and funky? Classic cottage garden?

What sort of colour scheme? Again, bold and bright or pastel and restrained? Any colours you definitely do or don't want?

ComeIntoTheGardenMaud Mon 08-Oct-12 13:54:08

Oh and what direction do the planters face and how much sun do they get?

Are they rendered and painted? If so, what colour?

CMOTDibbler Mon 08-Oct-12 14:01:47

Nothing else in planters, though might put some bedding plants in in the summer.
I'd like funky, but bold or cottage garden would be ok too. Bright colours, and no definate nos.
Roughly east/west, lots of sun apart from right at one end which gets less.
They are not painted, just natural oiled light wood.

Scout, I'd just go with the tack that you need to understand what has changed that it can be put off so far as no one has told you the clinical picture.

Jacksmania Mon 08-Oct-12 16:33:00

<seconds request for job advice>
West-facing front bit.

ComeIntoTheGardenMaud Mon 08-Oct-12 18:27:13

Okay. Bulbs.

For Cmot's gorgeous-sounding planters, I would suggest any of these:

1. Cheerful, tasteful combo: lots of different narcissus - start with early varieties such as January or February Gold and then add other, later varieties to extend the flowering season. Smaller, daintier varieties like Minnow and Pipit are lovely, too - browse one of the bulb websites like van Meuwen or J Parker. Underplant the narcissus with forget-me-nots and something line green - euphorbia Polychroma or any of the lime green heucheras (Stoplight is a nice one, as is Key Lime Pie). All very low maintenance. Other bulbs that will flower at about the same time are anemone (blue would be best but also available in white) and muscari. The pale blue muscari is rather bleurgh but muscari latifolium is deep purple and truly gorgeous. Pushkinia and triteleia are both very pale blue and very pretty.

2. Bold and funky - purple tulips (Ronaldo and Couleur Cardinal are lovely) underplanted with wallflowers (best colour combination is Persian Carpet).

3. Bold and beautiful - orange tulips (Prinses Irene or Ballerina) under planted with lime green heucheras. Dark purple violas to fill the gaps.

4. Fresh and pretty - Any yellow tulip, forget me nots, blue geranium (Johnson's Blue or similar) for ground cover.

5. Art deco - black tulips (Negrita or Queen of Night) and white forget me nots or geranium or white tulips and geranium phaeum Mourning Widow, which is black. Fill spaces with Alchemilla mollis and small white bulbs (eg anemone blanda).

6. For later in the year - various varieties of allium and gladiolus Byzantinus (magenta). Lots of lilies - Lilium regale is gorgeous - and gladioli if you want to channel Dame Edna. Much later in the year, cyclamen coum - very bold in shocking pink or delicate in white.

I'm suggesting all these things for ground cover because it'll be hard to get the planters to look full with nothing but bulbs - at somd times of year there'll be nothing to look at - and empty soil will invite weeds. Everything I'm suggesting is very low maintenance. Low-growing grasses would also plug gaps - carex buchananii (bronze) would work with the b&w plantings and Elijah Blue with any of the others.

I can't do links because I'm on my phone but you can probably see everything I've named on www.rhs.org.uk.

ComeIntoTheGardenMaud Mon 08-Oct-12 18:40:47

I am a bit obsessed with tulips. Other lovely varieties are

Spring Green
White Triumphator
Abu Hassan
Carnaval de Nice

Another summer bulb (very hip, very designer) is nectaroscordum.

mistlethrush Mon 08-Oct-12 19:03:11

I love the parrot tulips....

ComeIntoTheGardenMaud Mon 08-Oct-12 19:11:11

Ah, you see, I don't, which is why they're not on my list ....

CMOTDibbler Mon 08-Oct-12 19:12:00

Thank you, thank you, thank you Maud grin. I will be on the bulb websites shortly

mistlethrush Mon 08-Oct-12 19:14:42

You're right - its something else that I like.... not the big fat ones - much less blousey.....

ComeIntoTheGardenMaud Mon 08-Oct-12 19:31:11

My pleasure, Cmot. I love to talk plants. Let me know what you choose!

I should also have suggested heucheras in other colours - Palace Purple or Obsidian (nearly black) as ground cover. The little white flowers on heucheras are pretty but unspectacular - it's their coloured leaves that make them so interesting.

Scout19075 Mon 08-Oct-12 20:23:38

I am in awe of Maud.

mistlethrush Mon 08-Oct-12 20:41:10

If its in the front of the house - and you want something that's good in the summer, and around which some bulbs would be fine in the spring, something like catmint might be rather nice - good for the bees and butterflies and flowers from spring right through (and likes relatively dry conditions). I love agapanthus - but I understand that its best to grow them in a pot and raise it in the winter and put them somewhere dry (eg a garage) so that they don't get wet and cold at the same time until they're well established - when they can be planted out and left with more sucess.

ComeIntoTheGardenMaud Mon 08-Oct-12 21:01:37

Yes, agapanthus like root congestion so flower better in pots. There are some nearly-black varieties which, with their white counterparts,would also suit an art deco planting.

oxeye Mon 08-Oct-12 22:02:42

thank you all for cheering me up yesterday, lovely just to drop in and have supportive words of advice - and then brilliant bulb tips! I think I shall have to channel my inner Maud to try and find a couple of corners in our teeny tiny garden for a bulb and heucheras session
good luck Scout you are nervous because it matters to you. Glad Toddler having great dreams he sounds a sweetie
love idea of tea room siblings grin
I had given up red book and forgot to measure Oxboy on 3rd birthday but I suspect he'll be a tall bean pole like OxBloke

Love the nectaroscordum. May be looking for some. smile

ComeIntoTheGardenMaud Mon 08-Oct-12 22:09:01

::Clasps Oxeye .... etc etc::

How are you feeling today, my lovely?

I was thinking today that I should dig out The Girl's red book and see if I can calculate her eventual height. She seems to be going from quite tall to smaller than her peers, but maybe that's because they've had growth spurts.

Scout19075 Mon 08-Oct-12 22:34:00

Maud, Toddler does that too. He started out more on the average side then crept up in the percentiles where he hovered for a while and then, apparently, at his 2 yr check (which was closer to 2.4) he was creeping back to average but seeing as she couldn't get TS to stand on the measurer thing I didn't believe her (especially since I had measured him taller three months before). Toddler is definitely having a spurt, though.

MrScout is 6'5", I'm about 5'5"/5'6" (depends on how bad my scoliosis is acting up when I'm measured), one of my SsiL is 6', the twins are 5'10", so I anticipate Toddler will be at least 6'.

Oxeye, you wouldn't have thought Toddler was sweet if you witnessed his <<ahem>> way out of character tantrum he had this afternoon at the toddler group. To be fair all of the kids seemed off kilter today but he just had an almighty meltdown to the point where I took him out and we left.

ComeIntoTheGardenMaud Mon 08-Oct-12 22:43:04

Nectaroscordum is indeed les genoux de l'abeille. I saw a garden on Gardeners' World where they were complaining about how easily it self-seeds and having to grub up the seedlings, but it doesn't do that (sadly) in my garden, probably because of the heavy clay.

Scout - I think we've all had those days when the only thing to do with a stroppy toddler is beat a more or less dignified retreat!

ComeIntoTheGardenMaud Mon 08-Oct-12 22:46:36
Scout19075 Mon 08-Oct-12 22:56:52

Yes, there were a few of us at various points who just said "forget it, let's go home." Shame, really, because today's group is Toddler's favorite group and he looks forward to it all day/week.

Scout19075 Tue 09-Oct-12 10:18:02

At breakfast I was told "Red balloon so sad. It blowed away. Toddler cried red balloon got away. Go Pizza Hut lunch new red balloon?"

I don't whether to laugh or cry at this point!

Scout19075 Tue 09-Oct-12 10:21:46

Oh, Maud, GREAT new badge! Thank you!!!

ComeIntoTheGardenMaud Tue 09-Oct-12 10:24:20

He's a smart boy! What a cunning plan!

I'm so glad you like the badge - it was designed by one of the girls (not one of mine, though)!

Scout19075 Tue 09-Oct-12 10:45:30

It is, indeed, a cunning plan. But the closest ones are in YOUT and I am carless today. The bus, surprisingly, is stupidly expensive and can take up to two hours to go 17.7 miles. I told him that we couldn't go today but maybe another day.

I think girl designed badges are some of the best.

ComeIntoTheGardenMaud Tue 09-Oct-12 10:49:35

Well, it'd be a great plan for another day when you have the car. Are you likely to be in the big bad capital city any time before your trip home? I'm hoping I might get to YOUT soon.

Scout19075 Tue 09-Oct-12 11:03:03

Yes, that's what I told him. I'm hoping to meet up with the Seniors for a pizza hut lunch one day soon so I'll take Toddler and he can see his girlies, eat pizza and hopefully get a new red balloon.

I don't know about the Big Smoke but do hope to get to YOUT once or twice before we go to finish off the Christmas and birthday presents shopping.

Banderchang Tue 09-Oct-12 19:57:47

Wow, you lot have been very chatty over the weekend. Just read through all the posts I'd missed and now it's nearly time to watch the Bake Off semi-final so I have no time to post!

Skimmed over the bulb conversation - I am about to plant a few last spring bulbs (prob crocuses) under our maple tree. Hoping I've not left it too late in the year - I was scraping ice off the car windscreen this morning and the weather is definitely turning!

I am in the process of giving/selling Banderchanglet's baby stuff now that we have decided once and for all not to have any more. Whilst I have some nostalgia for some items, I'm generally pleased to see the end of that phase. We were waiting to really "want" another one, and that feeling never came and so we figured that meant we were happy with one. So that's that and the stuff is being sold! Like some of you, I think the age gap would be too big now even if I did get broody later on. I do wonder sometimes "what if", but not very seriously.

Scout19075 Tue 09-Oct-12 20:24:06

I ate dinner at Toddler's dinner time. I am hungry. I've just finished the tub of ice cream (there wasn't much left). What else can I have?

Toddler is definitely nearing three. We had another major, un-Toddler-like, meltdown at group this afternoon. There are two things I can think of that were the same as yesterday -- a trolley/stroller that a number of children wanted and a boy named P. Toddler and P were actually sort of "sizing each other up" (that's what P's mum said, anyway) and they had a few minor clashes yesterday over toys, too. The first time I took him away from the situation, the second time we went outside of the room for a calm down and a conversation (and I did tell him that if he screeched and I really mean scream the place down in a temper again we would go home) and after the third time I scooped him up, quietly said "We're going outside and going home because we agreed if you screeched again we were going to leave." Surprisingly he stopped almost immediately upon leaving (which is what he did when we left the room the first time) so I think he realizes I mean business and will follow through with my threat promise to take him out of the group. He had a ride most of the way home, which makes me think he was tired after his tantrum/s but when I put him to bed tonight I noticed his cheeks were going bright pink so maybe he's coming down with something which caused the outburst/s?

This is the first week he's really done that in a big way. I'm wondering if I should not going to these activities for a while or keep going and keep doing what I'm doing (remove once, remove from the room to talk/calm down, remove from the room & go home). Anyone have any thoughts?

ComeIntoTheGardenMaud Tue 09-Oct-12 20:33:08

But don't be shy about keeping a few treasures, Banderchang. I have a little box of babygros and tiny cardigans, that I will weep and coo over when I;m an old lady.

Bulbs. I should have mentioned crocuses and also hyacinths. I always do hyacinths for indoors but they can look lovely in borders. Jan Bos and Woodstock are both good strong colours.

Scout19075 Tue 09-Oct-12 20:48:13

I have more than just babygros. blush At each season, when I bag up the clothes that he's outgrown or will outgrow over the next season, I sort through and keep one or two of my favorite things. I have a box of tee-shirts, pajamas, overalls, etc. along with newborn babygros, blankets, etc.

Banderchang Tue 09-Oct-12 21:09:07

Oh yes, I'm keeping some bits - I'm not totally heartless! I have a few of his littlest vests, plus the outfit he came home from hospital in. Also his first shoes and , like Scout says, a few random bits of other sizes that I am particularly attached to.

Hope Toddler doesn't end up being poorly, Scout. It sounds like you're being really consistent when dealing with his behaviour which must send nice clear messages to him. If you had a break from the group where he's acting up, is there something else nice you could do instead? When we've had this kind of thing, I've usually done an alternative activity for a week or two to break the cycle, then gone back. Hard to know what to do though.

Scout19075 Tue 09-Oct-12 21:24:17

It's his first pair of proper Oshkosh overalls that get me every time. Especially when I look at him in his current ones. Once upon a time my baby was really a baby!

Banderchang, yes, at least on Tuesdays there's an alternative activity. Unfortunately not for Mondays and it's the Monday group/activity he absolutely LOVES. He was devastated when they didn't run it last term and he nearly burst when he found out they were running it again. Every week he asks if it's that's day yet and when it's Monday I spend all morning repeating "No, Toddler, it's not time to go to BB yet. Why don't you do/play with xyz and I'll tell you when it's time to go?" I use the "three strikes" method at home ("No, don't do xyz" then "Toddler, I said we are not to do xyz. If you do it again there will be a time out." then "Toddler, I have said you're not to do xyz and you did it so now there is a time out.") and I rarely have to get to the consequence stage but when I do I do it and the time out works well for both Toddler and myself. I have seen what not following through with statements & consequences does to the parent/s and the child/ren and I cannot live like that. It's hard work, this parenting and consistency lark, but I think the end results will be worth it.

UniS Tue 09-Oct-12 22:37:38

Consistency is a good thing... well done scout.
arrrr over tiny baby oshkosh. I have only kept 1 t-shirt and 1 bib from boys small baby days. heartless mother that I am ( and we have moved house twice). He's still wearing a pair of shorts that he had age 1, but now they are PJs and a bit indecent. They used to fit over a bulky terry nappy.

oxeye Tue 09-Oct-12 22:51:22

hello my lovelies ::hugs Maud back:: and anyone else who feels like a ((())))

Banderchang, sorry, are you relatively new? I am old but erstwhile so we may not have chatted much yet!
I have kept a few baby things, as each pile grows I find some of the earlier stuff less sentimental so it sort of wittles down quite well - I do get a pang seeing friends in hand me down clothes that were Oxboys - watching the trousers still being toddled in more awww than lying in a drawer iyswim - certainly I feel particularly tender to the recipient of most of the clothes, he must be a dear boy because he looks like my dear boy! grin

Scout you sound awesomely sorted and consistent. Me, I am a pushover pathetcially whimpy at confrontation I suspect I am always slightly trying to make up to my poor boy for the inadequacies of having me as a mum! There you go.... will now rush out and buy bulbs and think of you all!

Scout19075 Wed 10-Oct-12 19:38:15

Sometimes I hate children. Grrrr. Not my own and not the lovely Tea Room offspring just children where I live. Grrr.

Jacksmania Wed 10-Oct-12 20:12:37

Why, Scout?

Scout19075 Wed 10-Oct-12 20:20:12

Toddler's lovely new steam train hat got blown off the stroller (he had taken it off so I tucked it into his chariot) on the path on the way to the playground today. I was thinking about this hat, wondering where it was, on the way back from our play and I saw two school kids, one wearing a hat that was clearly too small for him and in the same color as Toddler's. I wasn't sure and I watched this kid climb a tree and stuff it between two branches. Toddler's hat is clearly a toddler's cap, not one for an older child or adult. WHY would he do that?! Unfortunately I wasn't sure it was Toddler's hat until I got close to the tree and the kids were gone. So, after walking two miles to the playground, running around for two hours and walking back one mile at that point I, Scout, climbed a tree to rescue my son's lovely new steam train hat. "Mommy, hat in tree! Get it Mommy!" And when I got down it was "Mommy get hat from tree!"

I am tired and sore and in need of an adult beverage.

Scout19075 Wed 10-Oct-12 20:22:22

And yes, I know the kid probably thought it was fun or funny or whatever. But really?! Did he HAVE to put a toddler sized cap high enough into a tree that even my 6'5" husband would have had to climb for it?!

ComeIntoTheGardenMaud Wed 10-Oct-12 20:26:48

That is just mean. but at least Toddler was impressed with your arboreal feats!

Scout19075 Wed 10-Oct-12 20:31:26

Yes, I did get a lot of "Mommy getted hat tree!" on the way home as he held on to this cap. But climbing trees is not what this mommy does best.

ComeIntoTheGardenMaud Wed 10-Oct-12 20:38:17

No, I'm afraid I would have had to leave it where it was, because I am too old, fat and unfit ladylike to climb trees!

Banderchang Wed 10-Oct-12 20:43:02

Well done with the tree climbing Scout! Hello oxeye, yes I am a newbie. I've lurked for a while but only recently gathered up the courage to join in. I don't always keep up too well with the speedy conversation and am still trying to understand Mellors, but I think I'm doing ok!

We're viewing primary schools tomorrow as we need to apply for Banderchanglet ready for Sept 2013. There are 3 closish to home, but only one is walkable so I hope we like that one. We're taking Banderchanglet with us to see how the schools relate to him as well as what we think in general terms. We did view one about 6 months ago which is near work (but not near home) but the headteacher was very odd. Hoping that these ones are more normal! I can't believe my baby will be at school this time next year! He's excited about it though, which is great. Hope nothing scares him at the visits tomorrow - fingers crossed it was the right idea to take him! (Too many apostrophes in this post, sorry).

Banderchang Wed 10-Oct-12 20:43:26

Gah - not apostrophes - exclamation marks!!!!

Scout19075 Wed 10-Oct-12 20:55:29

Trust me, if I hadn't wanted that hat back I wouldn't have gone tree climbing. It was neither pretty nor graceful.

Scout19075 Wed 10-Oct-12 20:59:54
ComeIntoTheGardenMaud Wed 10-Oct-12 21:05:10

Indeed he does!

Scout19075 Wed 10-Oct-12 21:07:04

MrScout is going to California. He's leaving on Toddler's birthday. Unfortunately they need him home/back the following week so he goes for a week, comes home for a week, goes back to Pennsylvania for two weeks. Gah! And because he's gone for half term I'm stuck on my own with Toddler because all of our groups & activities run to term so won't be running that week. Gah!

ComeIntoTheGardenMaud Wed 10-Oct-12 21:11:08

Oh dear.

::Proffers wine::

Scout19075 Wed 10-Oct-12 21:14:13

I'm more worried about MrScout and all that flying/time changing.

ComeIntoTheGardenMaud Wed 10-Oct-12 21:15:17

Yes, it doesn't sound fun from anybody's point of view.

::drinks wine::

beanandspud Wed 10-Oct-12 21:17:14

Adult beverage coming up Scout...


I think you deserve it after the tree-climbing! And I love the train jumper. Although Small Bean is still train mad he just wouldn't wear things like that now as they're not 'cool' - whatever 'cool' means to a 4.5 year old confused

I think I may join you in the wine. My day went like this: drop Small Bean at breakfast club for first time keeping fingers crossed that he'd be ok; drive 2.5 hours; sit through meeting; drive back 2.5 hours; pick up Small Bean just in time and then home for bath/bed etc. Repeated tomorrow as Mr Bean is away.

:: waves at Banderchang ::

Sorry I haven't really said hello. I have a DS who is 4.5 and I am usually running around like a loony whilst drinking wine in the tearoom and eating the cake which is permanently on offer here. I do remember the schools dilemma well (Small Bean started in September). Until then I couldn't understand why people spent so much time talking about/comparing/debating/criticising schools. Now I know!

I will read your bulb recommendations properly later Maud. Do you tend to buy on-line? Can you recommend anywhere to get good bulbs?

Scout19075 Wed 10-Oct-12 21:17:21

I wish we were going and then going straight from California to Pennsylvania for three weeks but there's no point in whinging.

ComeIntoTheGardenMaud Wed 10-Oct-12 21:23:17

Hello Bean.

::smiles at thought of you being married to Mr Bean::

I buy most of my bulbs via my gardening society, but otherwise I use J Parkers (mixed results - some of last year's weren't in tip top condition - but otherwise OK and pretty cheap) or Crocus. Van Meuven have a very good reputation but I've never used them.

mistlethrush Wed 10-Oct-12 21:25:26

How annoying re the hat - but at least you got it back - good climbing Scout!

I'm also a bit hmm about other children... Mc was lovely to a new starter in his class at the beginning of the term. He told me today that this one child organised lots of other children to attack him at lunch time - and a teacher intervened and asked them whether they would want to pay for a new uniform for him....

UniS Wed 10-Oct-12 21:33:49

Revolting things, other people's children.

I'm frequently staggered at how RUDE some children are to their grandparents ( who pick them up after school). If I got wind of boy talking to his GPs like that he wold be in big trouble and all PC privileges withdrawn.

however I am a proud mum today, Boy managed to earn extra golden time this week for extra good behaviour - he got team points too so it must have been good. Extra golden time apparently means you can go in early from afternoon break and get first dibs on the activities. I expect he will chose to play on the PC ... ho hum.

Scout19075 Wed 10-Oct-12 22:21:22

Egads, UniS. Toddler isn't even allowed to get away with talking to adults like that and he's two. Well done, Boy, for extra good behavior.

Grrr at MC's angry new starter friend.

Bean, I'm going to get that sweater for Toddler and put him in it as long as he'll let me. He doesn't care what he wears unlike a lot of girls of the same age I know.

oxeye Wed 10-Oct-12 22:43:39

Hello Banderchang, glad you jumped in. I fear lurkers look round work out think we're mad and run off! I am Oxeye I have one boy aged 6 and one DH who is lovely but Manly so he goes away on Expotitions up the Limpopo etcetera

I have been at work for 12 hours today, now home, supper and more work albeit at home this time ... I am feeling so tired I am a bit envy (tea room special)

Mellors is easy to understand - he is heaven on a stick so for me right now he is plumping up a lovely duvet and bed with clean sheets, making me a lovely cup of tea and he is going to read to me because I long for some reading time but am too tired to actually do it grin and then, well because we can, he is going to give me a massage which I will enjoy even though I will fall asleep ....

Scout hats off for the tree climbing - if that's not a sore point!

Bean beware the fickle taste of a child, when we looked at schools one school (damn their eyes) gave Oxboy a cup cake. I ASK you - he still says he wants to go there three years later!!

UniS Wed 10-Oct-12 23:18:16

DH thinks boy may have been away with the fairys while rest of class were rampaging noisily, and thus was rewarded for " being quiet and sat down" . This is possible.

Scout19075 Thu 11-Oct-12 09:42:42

Gah! In a minor strop (as in, I'm not 100% happy so I will throw Bunny on the floor to show you!) Toddler threw Bunny down and he landed in the toilet. Thankfully it was a "clean" toilet (as in flushed but I haven't scrubbed it this week). Now Toddler doesn't understand that Bunny has to stay in the shower cubicle until after swimming when he can give him a bath. He thinks because Bunny got wet in the toilet he's already had a bath. Gah! I can't handle the whinging for Bunny. He has Dopple for this reason but no one -- not Dopple nor Creamy (his second favorite behind Bunny) nor Chocolate nor Baby Bunny nor Baby Creamy Bunny (the newest addition to the warren and he arrived this weekend) -- will do. Gah! And a bit envy (Tea Room Special).

ComeIntoTheGardenMaud Thu 11-Oct-12 11:45:43

Poor Bunny. And poor Scout, having to deal with toilet-drenched bunny.

CMOTDibbler Thu 11-Oct-12 13:59:13

Poor toddler and bunny. Its never funny having to retrieve objects from the loo.

I am having a vvvvvv not fun day. I tripped over yesterday, sprained my ankle, skinned my knee and hurt Bad Hand. This morning I went to minor injuries who extensively x rayed me, no fractures found, but am seeing hand bloke tomorrow to check tendons as v swollen and painful.
And this morning my mum collapsed again and has been whisked to A&E - dad is at home, I'm 70 miles away, and A&E are impossible to get on the phone.
Poor dad is in a right tizz.

mistlethrush Thu 11-Oct-12 14:10:01

thanks and brew for all.

Sorry to hear about hand and mum CMot

Scout - DS has an elephant. When he was small, sometimes the elephant would (strangely) be found in the top cupboard in his bedroom. However, then it was noticed that sometimes the elephant's sister came to visit - and then went away again. Now, regularly, both elephant and her sister are carried around / tucked into bed together (luckily its only an evening and early morning thing now). If one is missing, that's just about OK - but if both are missing, not his dog, the other two nearly matching dogs, the ferret, the 3 teddies, duck or polar bear is adequate substitution. grin

Banderchang Thu 11-Oct-12 15:15:04

CMOT that sounds bad about your hand and your mum. Is your hand a long running problem? I've had lots of surgery on my right wrist following a fall about 15 years ago so I can sympathise. Hands are so fundamental, aren't they? I had trouble brushing my teeth or hair using that hand at one point and it was awful.

We viewed 3 schools today, with Banderchanglet in tow, and we're shattered now! I LOVED the one which was furthest away (typical), and the 2 close to home were fine but I didn't get excited about either one. The further away one was brilliant and I could totally see DS there and having a lovely time. Although it's furthest away of the ones we're considering, they're never oversubscribed and currently have lots of children who live a lot further out than us. So I think we will get in. We'll just have morning hassles because it's the opposite direction from work. Worth it though - I would have paid to send him there.

ComeIntoTheGardenMaud Thu 11-Oct-12 15:21:59

Oh Cmot. thanks thanks thanks

CMOTDibbler Thu 11-Oct-12 15:25:49

Mum is now in their 'not quite admitted, but longer than A&E' dept. Nurse is phoning me after docs have seen her, but have told them about her dementia and lack of comprehension/speech.

The hand/arm is a long running thing Banderchang. My hand is pretty much non functional, my wrist is fused, and I can't rotate at the elbow. Its a PITA

Jacksmania Thu 11-Oct-12 16:30:00


Sending you lots and lots of love.

And everyone else. Busy day. Will try to pop in later.


Middy86 Thu 11-Oct-12 16:48:14

Message withdrawn at poster's request.

CMOTDibbler Thu 11-Oct-12 16:55:12

Hi Middy, welcome to the tearoom. Its just about teatime, so can I offer you a brew and a calorie/allergy free sticky cake ?

I have a 6 year old livewire ds, live in the middle of england, have a mad job and many animals. And elderly/frail parents.

shuffling in from the rain
Hello, please may I join you in your lovely snug tearoom? I am a mum to a 7YO DS, definitely an only child & was planned to be that way.

Anyone got tips to deal with sibling rivalry between DS and DM (Daft Mutt!)? Thank you.

ComeIntoTheGardenMaud Thu 11-Oct-12 19:17:25

Welcome, Middy and QueenofLouisiana! Two more new members. Wahoo!

Would you like some virtual champagne. We drink an awful lot of it here.

::Asks Mellors to hand round the Veuve Clicquot::

CMOTDibbler Thu 11-Oct-12 19:23:43

I say Mellors, I do like the waiters outfit, but is it not a little chilly in just the apron and bow tie ?

I am dumping the diet tonight and having a takeaway. Mum is being admitted to the ward proper till at least tomorrow which is a relief.

How is the sibling rivalry expressed between ds and dmutt Queen ?

ComeIntoTheGardenMaud Thu 11-Oct-12 19:29:03

That sounds good(ish) about your mum, Cmot. When my dad had to be admitted, he was in that betwixt and between unit for days, which did him no good at all.

::Hands Mellors one of the fluffy white bathrobes usually reserved for his massage clients::

I would love a glass of champagne, are there out of season and so very expensive strawberries to go with it? They would finish off my own take away meal rather well!
The sibling rivalry is particularly intense today as DH is working late- DS has draped himself all over me, DMutt is pawing and sticking her head on my knee! I read with DS, DMutt wants the garden...I walk DMutt, DS insists on coming to play football!

Scout19075 Thu 11-Oct-12 19:50:12

Wahoo, new residents tea roomers! Welcome Middy and QueenofLA. I'm Scout. Toddler will be three in 2 1/2 weeks.

CMOT, I second goodish about your mum. I hope everything is okay with her, your dad and your hand/arm. Ouch.

Banderchang, when do you have to choose a school for Banderchanglet? Will you be able to visit them all again?

MrScout was supposed to go to Geek Club tonight which meant I'd had have an evening alone watching cheesie television and making chutney but he's just messaged me saying he's coming home. Boo.

I managed to wash and dry Bunny without Toddler seeing though he knew it was happening but oh the joy and happiness at the reunion! You'd have thought he had been lost for years not just out of commission for four hours.

ComeIntoTheGardenMaud Thu 11-Oct-12 19:53:07

QueenofLouisiana - The joy and delight of Mellors is that whatever you want within some fairly minimal standards of taste and decency he will provide. So fresh strawberries coming right up!

Banderchang Thu 11-Oct-12 19:59:27

Yay, more newbies! Welcome from another recent newbie smile Scout, we have to submit the school application by January 15th so we have a bit of time to think about it. We could revisit some schools (or look at more different ones to confuse ourselves further), and I do want to visit the after school clubs in 2 of them to see what those are like. It's just typical that the school I love is the furthest away. But only a 7 min drive so not hideous, just 7 mins the wrong way from work.

Jealous of all you having takeaways tonight. DH is out at choir tonight, so Banderchanglet and I cooked mushroom pasta. He chopped all the mushrooms really well [proud]. We're in a cooking phase atm with our Sure Start cooking classes each Monday and have just discovered I Can Cook on CBeebies. Hoping this enthusiasm continues!

Jacksmania Thu 11-Oct-12 20:08:42

Oh, we have newbies! How lovely! smilesmilesmile Welcome!

Just remember we're all a bit mad and most of us drink a lot of not necessarily imaginary wine and champagne grin

CMOTDibbler Thu 11-Oct-12 20:14:52

And are you resting young lady JM ? Hmm ? No, thought not. You don't want those shingles back do you ?

Scout19075 Thu 11-Oct-12 20:15:03

JM, how are you feeling?

Scout19075 Thu 11-Oct-12 20:21:07

CMOT, how was your take-out?

UniS Thu 11-Oct-12 20:21:33

evening all.
<<UniS strolls in and plonks herself on the big squashy (chintz) sofa in front of the roaring log fire>>
I'm cold tonight. got wet and cold working outside again today. more wet n cold working outside tomorrow to come, and a VERY early start to the day. Bah. I am dropping boy off with a friend at 7.10, then DH at the city train station ( 7.45, 20 mile drive ) then I start work at 8( in city centre) .

We have hit Mr Majeka books from school at last - hurrah. And boys homework writing came back with only a positive comment, not a reminder about his targets as well. Hurrah.

<<UniS passes round teh choc box of requirements>> would you like one?

note to the new or bewildered- the Choc box of requirements holds exactly the chocolates ( or other treats) you would like most right now.

Ohh, a coffee cream, perfect.

CMOTDibbler Thu 11-Oct-12 20:30:06

Take out was luuvvverly. Didn't go too mad as don't want to blow the calories budget.

Mmm nougat, thanks UniS. Tomorrow sounds grim.

mistlethrush Thu 11-Oct-12 20:30:24

Evening. Bit of a dilema....

Vet booked for mistledog tomorrow sometime. Do we tell mistlechick before school so that he can say goodbye, or on the way home when (hopefully) its all over?

And does anyone know of anyone with some nice medium sized puppies available?

Scout19075 Thu 11-Oct-12 20:37:40

Mmmm, Reeses. Many thanks!

UniS Thu 11-Oct-12 20:40:43

I think give Mistle chick the chance to say goodbye and take a last photo/ paw print etc . and tell his teacher that .

mistlethrush Thu 11-Oct-12 20:42:45

His teacher already knows we've got the issue - and we'll email in, definitely....

(welcome to everyone new!)

beanandspud Thu 11-Oct-12 20:52:24

Peanut M&Ms and Veuve Cliquot - an underrated combination - cheers!

MT, I'm sorry about MistleDog, I think I would give MC the chance to say goodbye. I am guessing that he already knows that she really isn't well and from what I know of MC it sounds as if he is old enough to understand. Are school supportive if he has a wobble tomorrow?

JM and CMOT - get back to the sofa and relax please!!!

Hello to Middy and QueenofL I have a DS (Small Bean) who is 4.5 and very loveable but has a tendency to tell very long, complicated and mostly made-up stories. I am married to Mr Bean which Maud finds quite amusing grin

mistlethrush Thu 11-Oct-12 20:55:16

Yes, they are - he had a wobble last wednesday already as last Tuesday she was bad to the extent that I thought we wouldn't be able to keep her going longer... He does know how bad she is because it was not sensible to hide it from him - particularly as we're upset anyway.

Jacksmania Thu 11-Oct-12 21:56:12

I am resting!! Errr actually no I'm not, I'm having a very busy day at work. blush Can't lie to the Tea Room.

I'm actually feeling ok. I have injectable B12 and am supposed to give myself a jab every other day, and today was Jab Day. It's my new crack. I love B12. It makes me feel like my petrol tank is full. But not all horrible and jittery. Just like a normal person whatever that feels like.

Jacksmania Thu 11-Oct-12 21:56:42

Sorry, meant to say, mistle, I'd let MC have a last hug of mistledog.

Oh, I feel so sad for you.

ComeIntoTheGardenMaud Thu 11-Oct-12 22:08:35

Yes, I think one last hug and paw print too.

Veuve Clicquot and twiglets. The ambrosia of the gods.

CMOTDibbler Thu 11-Oct-12 22:11:15

I'd do a last hug and say goodbye too. Love to you for tomorrow.

JM, could you jab me ? I'd love to have a full tank

oxeye Thu 11-Oct-12 22:23:20

Mistle - I would definitely tell MC and allow goodbyes. I still remember the trauma of my guinea pig dying and my not saying goodbye

CMOT sad about your wrist and your Mum - I hadn't realised you were left with such poor function - are you going to see our favourite man?

Welcome newbies! I'm old both in years and tearoom years (like dog years) and raddled and mother of one lovely DS who is both nicer than me and than I deserve!

JM - go and lie down!

Bean - would you have to drive to school? Another way of travelling might make it easier than fighting the tide?

oxeye Thu 11-Oct-12 22:23:37

can I have a B12 jab too?

ComeIntoTheSpookyGardenMaud Thu 11-Oct-12 22:28:14

B12 jab sounds like Heaven too!

mistle I am sorry to read about mistledog. Will be thinking of you tomorrow.

Jacksmania Thu 11-Oct-12 22:53:35

<ponders how to get B12 to the Tea Room>

Here, you can just buy it, and syringes and needles, at any pharmacy, without prescription. I'm guessing that's not the case in the UK?

ComeIntoTheSpookyGardenMaud Thu 11-Oct-12 22:58:13

Nah. I'm pretty sure you can buy B12 as a supplement (as opposed to mixed B vitamins) but I don't think syringes and needles are ever sold over the counter - prt of the UK's drugs policy, as far as I know. I'm trying to remember, when I had injectable drugs, whether the syringes were actually part of the prescription or just came with the drugs, IYSWIM.

Scout19075 Thu 11-Oct-12 23:05:09

My needles come with the drug as part of the box of drugs.

ComeIntoTheSpookyGardenMaud Thu 11-Oct-12 23:09:06

That's what I can't remember, Scout. I remember having them (and the sharps box) but it's so long ago I have no idea how I got them.

Scout19075 Thu 11-Oct-12 23:32:01

Mine weren't a separate prescription but for each dose of medicine there was a needle next to it (4 doses/4 needles per box). Sharps box(es) weren't on prescription, either. At least I don't think so -- when I had my first appointment they gave me a box which I carried around the hospital to the various tests, the pharmacy counter, etc.

When I had my needles in the US I didn't take my sharps box (didn't want to carry it in my carry-on luggage and didn't want to leave it in my checked luggage for various reasons) but my former GP surgery (the practice where my parents still go) agreed to take my needles and destroy them for me. They're also the place were we take Toddler if there's an emergency when we're in the US.

CMOTDibbler Fri 12-Oct-12 11:29:18

Fracture clinic confirm no actual fractures, which is great, and advised back to hand peeps if the extra stiffness persists.
Mum is still in hospital, and they still don't know what is wrong. I am hoping they may investigate fully this time - last time they just blamed it on her pain relief patches, which have not been changed this time.

Oxeye - your lovely, lovely man said there was no more he could do for me alas. I would recommend him to anyone though. Up here I have someone I've been seeing for my elbows, and who does hands too.

beanandspud Fri 12-Oct-12 11:53:52

Sending (((((hugs))))) to CMOT and MistleFamily.

Would anyone like brew and fruit cake?

::rolls up sleeeve hopefully for miracle B12 injection:: grin

mistlethrush Fri 12-Oct-12 13:01:21

I'll have some of that please Bean. We are now dogless sad

Jacksmania Fri 12-Oct-12 15:16:36


I'm so sorry. sad
Here, have some cake, wine, brew, or some of my B12 <offers jab> if it will help.
That's so sad. I missed the rest of yesterday's posts, but did MC get to say goodbye to her?
sad ((((((*HUG*)))))))

beanandspud Fri 12-Oct-12 15:18:51

So sorry, MT sad. Hope you are all as ok as you can be if that makes sense.

ComeIntoTheSpookyGardenMaud Fri 12-Oct-12 15:34:42

So sorry MT. Hope you find a lovely MistlePup soon.

CMOTDibbler Fri 12-Oct-12 16:38:22

((Mt)) love, brew, and sticky cake coming your way.

Mum out of hospital now, which is a relief

mistlethrush Fri 12-Oct-12 19:38:27

Cmot - I hope that they've worked out what's wrong? Or at least given you a bit more of an idea?

JM - yes, I told him this morning so that he could say goodbye before going to school - I came back from work to be with DH - and then went back to work. I've really been struggling this week with work - couldn't get the concentration or flow.

Its silly little things - like the empty space in the hall where her basket was, and the lack of bowls in the utility room, and the lack of movement when getting a packet of butter out of the fridge....

I've been through all the rescue centres websites in the country (it feels like) to try to find something that has somewhere along the right lines of potential - its much more difficult this time as we've got DS to take into account - so whilst we could take on a 'needs an experienced owner' dog last time, this time I don't think its a good idea, just because mc is less predictable and whilst he's really good with dogs, he's still not dealt with a troublesome issue with one....

I think alcohol may be needed this evening

mistlethrush Fri 12-Oct-12 19:39:52

And, of course, mistlepup has very big shoes to fill and its going to be a struggle to find a dog that can hope to come near.

UniS Fri 12-Oct-12 19:51:44

wine and the choc box of requirement.

Scout19075 Fri 12-Oct-12 21:16:12

I'm sorry, MT. sad

CMOT, any ideas on what's happening with your mum?

beanandspud Fri 12-Oct-12 22:30:58

MT - we have an RSPCA centre round the corner but they only have one puppy on their website. I am guessing that it is better to wait and find the right dog than make a hasty, and possibly wrong, decision?

Can I have a tearoom boast? Small Bean came home tonight and given that he couldn't read at all when he started school five weeks ago he is reading and spelling all of his flashcards, beginning to read simple books and writing simple words and sentences. I still can't quite believe how much progress he's made and I am so proud of him, particularly since he had to settle into a school where he didn't know anyone.

It's Friday night and I have wine on the go if anyone is still up?

CMOTDibbler Fri 12-Oct-12 23:01:34

Thanks Bean - have just been out for dinner with local MNetters which was great.

Dr told dad that mums collapse etc was due to constipation. Which she was (long term opiates, won't take the laxatives), but I'm not sure that it is. Dad is terrified she'll have a turn in the bath or out, and I can't blame him

mistlethrush Sat 13-Oct-12 02:07:59

Well done small bean!

I can't believe how many dogs I've looked through - if we wanted a staffie or staffie cross we'd not have any problem. Or indeed a small hairy thing. Might manage to get to see a pointer/spaniel cross puppy which sounds interesting. If we'd wanted more than one that would also have made it easier.

mistlethrush Sat 13-Oct-12 08:45:09

Message withdrawn at poster's request.

ComeIntoTheSpookyGardenMaud Sat 13-Oct-12 10:33:07

How lovely! Well done, Thumb! thanks thanks thanks

Should we not, though, delete that post as it might out her in RL?

mistlethrush Sat 13-Oct-12 19:24:29

I will ask for the name to be deleted, sorry didn't think (too little sleep last night)

UniS Sat 13-Oct-12 20:41:47

lets hang out the lanterns and bunting for thumb and micro thumb. Hurrah.

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ComeIntoTheSpookyGardenMaud Sat 13-Oct-12 21:04:12

Oooh. Fairy lights. That's brilliant, Unis!

Jacksmania Sun 14-Oct-12 05:29:35

Congratulations Thumb smilesmilesmilesmilesmilesmile

Mistle, the empty spaces where the litter tray used to be, or food bowls, or basket, were the hardest to bear after my little old man cat died. sad

Scout19075 Sun 14-Oct-12 19:20:58

After a minor panic that they might be discontinuing the one thing Toddler "really really likes" when asked what he might like for a present for his birthday or Christmas MrScout & I have managed to purchase it today. Whew! "Big" Christmas present sorted!

oxeye Sun 14-Oct-12 23:34:00

ooh I missed the deleted post - what's the Thumb News?

Mistle - so sorry it's terrible to lose them isn't it

CMOT vibes for your hand - does acupuncture help or is that too woo for you? and hoping your mum is sorted out soon

well done mini bean
inspired deco UniS!

mistlethrush Mon 15-Oct-12 08:41:20

Thumb's had a baby boy! So must now have small thumb and mini thumb!! Small thumb looks very happy in the picture I've seen.

My sleeping pattern is all over the place at the moment - once I've woken up I can't get back to sleep - Saturday morning came downstairs at 1am and got perhaps another 2 hrs broken sleep from about 4 onwards - this morning I woke at 4am (so better...) and came down at 4.45am - which isn't good with a week of hard work ahead.

UniS Tue 16-Oct-12 11:24:31

cakje?? any one. It;'s offical- UniS is having a day of domestic godnessness and has made a Victoria sponge. Chicken pesto mayo and will be going onto try and make a chocolate ganache... I may even manage to vacuum the house, but don;t hold your breath.

I think I'll need mellors to help me clear up after all this activity.... perhaps he could bring the fluffy towels and the massage couch with him.

Morning all.

mistlethrush Tue 16-Oct-12 11:44:35

Victoria sponge would be great please UniS.

oxeye Tue 16-Oct-12 12:01:54

oooh sponge and coffee for me
no help with vacuum I'm afraid - I am proper Allergick

CMOTDibbler Tue 16-Oct-12 12:18:57

Goodnes UniS, don't get carried away !

Oxeye, acupuncture is great, but its sooo expensive to do regularly, as well as the time to go and have it done.

Yesterday we went to pony club for the first time (run at the stables, new set up) - ds and 10 little girls who he bossed around in spite of the fact they were 10 years older. It was fun, and dpony enjoyed being fussed by them while they were doing their grooming badge practice

oxeye Tue 16-Oct-12 13:22:34

gosh, CMOT I know, the price is high isn't it! Glad pony fun was fun

Thumb - just caught up! CONGRATULATIONS that is great news grin

UniS Tue 16-Oct-12 15:06:48

cooking done... other housework abandoned. Chocolate ganache not cool yet, but VERY scrummy.

Jacksmania Wed 17-Oct-12 04:07:17

I heard a rumour that birthday bunting was required in the Tea Room smile

Happy birthday CMOT xxx

(someone who can actually do bunting please take over)

I can only wine and thanks.

We really need a cake emoticon. Especially a birthday cake one.

mistlethrush Wed 17-Oct-12 07:44:48

I can do bunting.


Is it today or yesterday that that was for for CMot? If today, happy birthday!

CMOTDibbler Wed 17-Oct-12 07:51:24

How about birthday cake for breakfast ? grin Tiddler flung presents at me in bed at 6.50 <yawn>, so its all over now. But dh is making a cake and getting a Thai meal for tea which is a right treat

beanandspud Wed 17-Oct-12 08:21:52

Happy Birthday CMOT!

Can't do bunting on phone but have thanks,brew and breakfast wine