Episode 33 - The Orangery - Tea anyone?

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mistlethrush Tue 08-May-12 08:58:19

The tearoom has traveled back to the Orangery for another visit. There are bluebells in the nearby woods, and Mellors has Earl Grey and Lady Grey ready for some excursions. Mellors has, indeed, been overwintering away from Canada for some reason - I think he's been helping Maud out in the garden. There are tulips out in urns outside, and there are a few tables out in the sunny courtyard for use between showers.

Whether you have one child or several, pull up a chair and share a brew or a wine. The only rules remains no fisticuffs.

mistlethrush Tue 08-May-12 09:01:40

<lays out lemon cake and tea or hot chocolate>

Typical wonderful weather now we're back to work. Did manage to get the lawn cut at the weekend though!

Scout19075 Tue 08-May-12 09:45:46

envy at MT's sun. We're still grey/overcast here in the East. I'm soooo craving sun. Proper sun, not these odd peaks we have every now and again. Just one day so Toddler and I can go outside and just run around all day.

mistlethrush Tue 08-May-12 09:47:35

Got a bit of cloud too - but its warmer than it was yesterday too - I got really cold out in the afternoon and had to zip up coat and hide hands in sleeves.

UniS Tue 08-May-12 10:27:26

yes please to brew hot choc and cake. I've just pulled a batch of choc muffins out of the aga, so get one while they are warm. Dairy free, and GF if you need them to be.

Mellors was indeed barred from entering Canada after an unfortunate incident with the Canadian Ladies Lacrosse team and a quantity of massage oil. But he's back. and looking good in the garden. Double digging the veg bed for us. With his shirt sleeves rolled up.

mistlethrush Tue 08-May-12 10:29:29

Despite the shirt sleeves UniS, he's still looking quite warm isn't he?

UniS Tue 08-May-12 10:37:15

erm, yes, he is. Stopping occasionally and wiping his brow.... I wonder if....

mistlethrush Tue 08-May-12 10:39:45

grin

Would you like a brew to accompany your muffin whilst we lounge on the sofa and enjoy the view?

UniS Tue 08-May-12 11:04:35

oh, the shirt is off, what aa fine veiw. I think I'll stop here just a little longer before I go and inspect the garden myself.

Scout19075 Tue 08-May-12 16:48:14

Oh yay! BSA East Anglia will take Toddler when he's no longer Toddler but Small Boy. YAY!

ComeIntoTheGardenMaud Tue 08-May-12 17:32:18

::Walks into doorframe as momentarily distracted by the view::

Well, isn't it lovely here?

That's Boy Scouts of America, I assume, Scout? Wa-hoo!

Scout19075 Tue 08-May-12 17:55:18

Yes it is, Maud. grin

Had a nice email back from them when I asked. Seems we're able to join even though not connected to the base (even though they meet on base). Very excited, though Toddler has a few years until he's a SmallBoyScout.

Jacksmania Tue 08-May-12 19:36:54

<JM wanders into same doorframe as Maud, for similar reasons>

<is momentarily arrested by the view> grin

Errmmm... yes, you were saying?

Lemon cake and tea? Why, thank you.

Jacksmania Tue 08-May-12 19:37:07

Congratulations Scout, that's lovely!

ComeIntoTheGardenMaud Tue 08-May-12 21:51:31

::joins UniS and Jacksmania in admiring the scenery::

Fancy Mellors yes we do still gardening shirtless after dark, illuminated by the solar fairy lights.

mistlethrush Tue 08-May-12 22:17:01

Asparagus anyone? Mellors appears to have harvested some for us.

I'm glad that the view appears popular - it is nice seeing the main house in the distance the other side of the walled garden...

MC is looking forward to cubs next year at school - not quite sure how it works though.

Jacksmania Tue 08-May-12 23:56:46

I don't think we're admiring the house part of the view grin

mistlethrush Wed 09-May-12 09:17:51

Its a good excuse though JM! How's it going with you?

<Discovers some merangue and caramel icecream in the freezer> Any one for strawberries and icecream as a particularly indulgent breakfast/brunch?

beanandspud Wed 09-May-12 10:38:42

Phew, I found you all grin. This is lovely MT.

Mmmmm, strawberries and icecream for breakfast sounds wonderful, thank you!

Finally the sun is shining here, the washing is outside rather than all over the house and I'm wondering whether I can manage an hour of gardening at lunchtime.

Scout19075 Wed 09-May-12 20:38:44

Very envy of everyone's sun!

UniS Wed 09-May-12 20:46:08

Sun... I remember sun...

mistlethrush Wed 09-May-12 20:47:02

Scout, don't worry, its raining again here now!

I have just arranged for someone to come and cut the lawns for me - so that I can concentrate on trying to keep on top of the weeding etc. Should help out a lot. I seem to be growing mainly forgetmenots in the vegetable garden hmm I think Mellors needs to come and help out a bit!

wine ?

Scout19075 Wed 09-May-12 20:47:41

I don't remember what the sun looks like, let alone feels like!

beanandspud Wed 09-May-12 21:11:47

Spoke too soon - it is now tipping it down so wine sounds like a good plan.

ComeIntoTheGardenMaud Wed 09-May-12 21:40:13

We had a couple of hours of sun yesterday, but today we haven't even had proper daylight. I am getting thoroughly depressed by the incessant rain.

Scout19075 Wed 09-May-12 21:44:54

Toddler is desperate for the playground to run around. He won't walk in his wellingtons and he only has one pair of shoes so I can't afford for them to get completely sodden. I'm desperate for some Vitamin D.

Donki Wed 09-May-12 21:49:59

<<There is a wail of pain from Donki>>

NOOOOOO!
I have just been offered tickets for cross country day at the Olympics. AND I AM AWAY....

ComeIntoTheGardenMaud Wed 09-May-12 21:51:45

Oh no Donki! Is there no chance of coming back early?

UniS Wed 09-May-12 22:08:27

oh donki... I didn't know there was a donkey cross country event in the Olympics! what fun. Are sandy beaches involved or just general beast of burden ( accompanied by old ladies in black frocks) duties.

Boy enjoyed a pony ride at the open day thing we went to on sunday. He struggled a bit to get UP on to the pony concerned but had a huge grin on face once on board. Little cousin had a ride on a tiny shetland, her first horse borne experience.

Donki Wed 09-May-12 23:13:15

<<drags in hay bale stolen from Earl Grey blush>>
<<Fluff it up and hides under it, whimpering>>

We are only away for a week - but right the other end of the country. It is in the MIDDLE of the holiday. A day to get to London. Cross country day. A day to get back to N.Wales (Lleyn).

Not quite the relaxing holiday I had in mind..... I don't know what to do!
DH won't want to come - don't know about the YD. (He is asleep)
And we are away with friends.

<<Whimpers some more>>

oxeye Wed 09-May-12 23:18:42

::props George up in the corner by the Aspidestra::
::nibbles an -- asparagus-- ear proffered by Mellors::

well met dear fellows! Lovely tea room MT
Donk. that is a disaster. Can you shift the week a bit? Fly back within a day? Late train/ cut the travel??

OhDoFuckOffJacksmania Thu 10-May-12 01:24:58

Please avert your eyes if offended by swearing, the name change is only temporary as I'm supporting the sweary names thread. Apologies for lowering the tone of the thread blush.

I gardened today!!!! It was blissful. Weeded, pulled up useless tulip greens, severely cut back the purple lupin which is threatening to take over everything... my garden looks very green and tidy.

<leaves wine and treats for everyone>

That aspidistra is looking lovely, by the way.

mistlethrush Thu 10-May-12 09:05:07

I've booked someone to come and cut the lawn for me grin. It feels very self indulgent - but hopefully it will mean that the time I can get into the garden at the weekend between showers I can try to get on top of the couch grass problem blush oh - and the forgetmeknots in the veg bed!

It will be a great relief not have to battle with the pull start of the mower again for a bit.

Oxeye - George is looking amazingly OK given where the nmbs packed him... I'm not sure that they approve.

Mellors appears to have got caught in a shower of raid. wink

UniS Thu 10-May-12 09:44:07

ekkk, a shower of raid!

or is it a shower of RAID?

Sounds painful either way, perhaps one or two brave souls might like to go and administer first aid to the poor man. he looks quite pale and about to feint in interesting directions.

mistlethrush Thu 10-May-12 10:00:45

Or even Faint grin

Its George that's going a bit feint where he gets picked up rather too often....

UniS Thu 10-May-12 18:52:40

maybe the NMBs should stop using George as target practise , he's getting a bit tattered about the knees. They have polished up the aspidistra nicely, or was that JM?

What are you reading currently?
I'm 2/3 of the way through T.Pratchetts " The Truth" again. I intend to read "going postal" again next.

Donki Thu 10-May-12 20:07:31

Uni - it never occurred to me that it would be a donkey cross country event. I can't wait! grin

Hang on, there's no sand in Greenwich, precious little sea, and probably no sun.

Hmmmmm.

UniS Thu 10-May-12 20:17:34

Old ladies, straw baskets over flowing with carrots and steep hills it is then donki. Must be.

Jacksmania Thu 10-May-12 21:06:06

For some odd reason I read UniS's post as "straw HATS overflowing with carrots"... confused

UniS Thu 10-May-12 21:28:19

Maybe Donki, you would enjoy a holiday here at Carrot Bay .

mistlethrush Thu 10-May-12 22:41:36

Donki, on a normal weekend in the summer, there are donkeys outside the main (Blackheath side) gates to Greenwich Park, so you'd feel right at home.

My MiL lives near there and has managed to rent her house out for the family of a very well heeled member of a visiting equestrian team. Have had to look out some appropriate toys for her to borrow from our loft!

Lovely to see you back btw!

Donki Fri 11-May-12 16:52:19

MT I suppose that by definition, members of equestrian teams will tend to be well heeled (although not true of every rider)!

Uni I like the sound of carrot bay - although I am not sure about donkey racing. This donkey does not gallop! Not ever! (well not since the time that DH demonstrated that he can run faster going backwards than I can sprint blush)

<<Waves to all and sundry - especially sundry!>>

(Still no idea what to do aboout the Olympic 3 day event! I have discovered that it would be an 8 hour train journey each way to Cambridge))

Scout19075 Fri 11-May-12 21:22:15

Oh wise friends with older children, I need advice (please).

I've posted on here before about my PiL "tats" (cats) and the tat called "Foff" (Fluff). Fluff was the only non black one and the only one Toddler could identify by name though he learned very early on to leave her alone as she was old and crabby and didn't like people (not just babies/toddlers but most people as well). He would walk into the room and say "Hello Foff!" and then carry on with playing. He will "play with" the other cats and just say "Hello Tat!" since the black ones all look alike.

Anyway, we had word through today that Fluff died overnight.

I'm off the stance that Toddler is still young enough that I don't have to explain dead cat. He never actively sought her out but would acknowledge her if she was in the room and he saw her. MrScout was asking if I was going to tell Toddler about Fluff's demise and how was I going to do it.

Do you think I can get away without telling him anything but say something if needed (as in, if he starts looking for her next time we're down)?

oxeye Fri 11-May-12 21:37:33

Hi Scout, personally I would tell him that Fluff died. Nice and simple, just answer questions asked. I think children are confused if they are told a cat/ person/ anything "went to sleep" or "moved on" or some other euphemism. Children are direct and blunt and inately take on just enough information to feed their need imho

if it's any help our lovely lovely OxHound died (well we put him to sleep) when Oxboy was nearly 2. SO we walked out of house with dog and back without him.... we told him OxHound had died.

Am currently reading "Before I go to Sleep" - quite compelling but I think clunkier as I near the end...

beanandspud Fri 11-May-12 21:39:37

Scout - no real advice I'm afraid. I would be tempted not to say anything just now and if Foff's absence is noticed when you are next down you could always change the subject/say that she has 'gone away'/try to explain death of cat /whatever is most appropriate at the time?

I can't remember exactly how old TS is but I took Small Bean to my Gran's funeral when he was 2 - he was naively clueless about death and I was quite happy for it to stay that way.

My baby has grown up though. He met his new 'Big School' teacher today for the first time and apparently was completely star-struck. He took her on a guided tour of nursery, asked what sort of car she drove and then asked for a hug grin.

Scout19075 Fri 11-May-12 21:40:47

Thanks oxeye. Do you think it matters, though, that we don't see the cats regularly? We haven't been down since Easter. Toddler asks about his grandparents but no one/nothing else. There were five cats total, never all in the same place at the same time, etc.

And no, I wouldn't say "going to sleep." Especially how we're struggling with staying in the big boy bed to go to sleep -- I don't want to spook him.

Scout19075 Fri 11-May-12 21:42:16

Bean, Toddler is just 2 1/2. I was able to keep him oblivious about his Grandnan's last summer but he was only about 20 months or so.

mistlethrush Fri 11-May-12 22:46:10

One of our chinchillas died the Christmas before last - we told mc shortly after Christmas. We did something together we could put with him when we buried him. In some ways its a gentle way of getting a child used to the fact that there is death around. As Fluff was old perhaps this might be a sensible approach?

Scout19075 Fri 11-May-12 22:48:50

I expect they've buried Fluff today (she died over night) and we won't be down to the PiL for another two weeks at the earliest which is part of my dilemna.

I'm just not sure he'll realize she's gone so I don't want to freak him out unnecessarily.

ComeIntoTheGardenMaud Fri 11-May-12 22:51:02

As Foff wasn't your pet, I would perhaps wait until your next visit and then say matter of factly that poor Foff was sick or old and died. Two and three year olds are very sanguine about death, partly I think because they don't really grasp its significance.

Well done to SmallBean - such aplomb!

mistlethrush Fri 11-May-12 22:51:50

Why would it freak him out? Its part of life.... If you are really straight forward and matter of fact about it, ie, we'll miss her, but she was old and cats normally live for ... years etc it shouldn't be too bad.

Scout19075 Fri 11-May-12 22:57:49

No, not death. Telling him the cat "went to sleep." I've been struggling the last two weeks to get him to "stay in bed and go to sleep." I'm afraid if I tell him the cat "went to sleep and is gone" he won't want to stay in his bed to sleep (he already gets up & down for, on average, 20 minutes per bedtime which is down from the initial 5 hours it took).

He's already aware that Foff was old and tired and unwell. We regularly told him that, which I think is why he was very good about leaving her alone -- we hammered it home that she was elderly and poorly and just wanted to be left alone to sit in the sun, by the fire or on Nana's lap where she was comfortable.

But because she wasn't directly a family pet I'm not sure how much he'll register that she's not there.

mistlethrush Fri 11-May-12 23:09:43

Wait and see what happens when you get there next?

Scout19075 Fri 11-May-12 23:13:30

That was my original thought. But it was MrScout asking me what I was going to tell Toddler (as in, today/tomorrow) that made me a bit hmm.

ComeIntoTheGardenMaud Fri 11-May-12 23:27:32

I think MrScout may be falling into the trap of assuming that everyone is as attached to the mpg goes as PiL are. I go through that when we visit the in laws. BiL drones on about which cat has been taken to the vet for which ailment and is oblivious to the fact that they all look the same to me.

ComeIntoTheGardenMaud Fri 11-May-12 23:28:40

Ugh. That was meant to say moggies. How does one turn off predictive texting?

Donki Sat 12-May-12 10:08:50

I went with the matter of fact approach. It worked with the YD, but then we had been walking through graveyard to get to toddlers most days, and he had asked a lot of questions about some of the graves with flowers and some with toys...

UniS Sat 12-May-12 18:44:14

" granny is sad because foff died. Foff was VERY old and their body wore out and didn't work any more and they died. "
Expect a few questions about things dieing over teh next week or so. maybe best telling child BEFORE going to see granny so your not still in mid death fascination phase at grannys house.

We had to do this with boy at toddler age (ish) as my parent's cat died. Granddad sent us a card with a photo of the cat to remember it by!

mistlethrush Sat 12-May-12 19:20:12

Unis - that was the approach we took too, and, yes, Mc gets sad about it, but gets over it and its not such a surprise now ifyswim.

Very active day - I went to the gym whilst DH took ds to karate this morning. After some shopping and lunch ds and I took the dog for a walk, and then went swimming. No water in ear this time which was a major benefit.

Scout19075 Sun 13-May-12 18:48:28

Happy Mother's Day!

CMOTDibbler Sun 13-May-12 18:58:25

Very nice in here, and a lovely view of Mellors.
I have been at a conference this week, and am exhausted. Being nice to people solidly for 16 hours a day does me in.
Came back to lovely sun, and a nice dressage lesson.

mistlethrush Sun 13-May-12 19:00:55

How's that all going CMot? And do you get the same horse each time?

CMOTDibbler Sun 13-May-12 19:44:09

Riding is going really well thanks MT. Have entered an actual dressage competition (just unaff, walk/trot, but its a start) in a couple of weeks. Feeling pretty good about it now as everything went v well today
I tend to ride the same horse all the time as I luv him, but you can change if you like, and hacks are pretty much pick your own for adults.

beanandspud Sun 13-May-12 20:17:10

Can I pour anyone a G&T - it is a lovely evening here, a bit too cold to sit out but one of the nicest evenings for ages.

CMOT - welcome back! Are you at home this week or away again?

We have had a weekend of blitzing the garden - decking all stained, weeding, planting, grass cutting, tubs all emptied, some veg planted out... I suspect that neither of us will be able to move tomorrow but it looks good and we just need some sunshine now! Very satisfying.

Jacksmania Sun 13-May-12 20:34:02

I'd love a G&T, thanks thanks
Happy Mothers' Day to everyone celebrating today! I was brought coffee in bed, and given some gorgeous jewelry grin - a bracelet made with tiny macaroni tubes, and a necklace made from larger pasta tubes, all liberally covered in paint and glitter glue. I am of course wearing both proudly grin

CMOTDibbler Sun 13-May-12 20:42:39

At home this week Bean - my to do list went into 5 pages after the meeting, so I'll be trawling through that <euch> . Well done on the gardening - ours is still a mess

I'm sure you look gorgeous and glittery JM <blows kissses>

Scout19075 Sun 13-May-12 20:44:46

Oh, JM, how lovely! (Do we get to see pictures?)

We spent another day exploring mills (mostly of the wind variety) to celebrate National Mills Weekend. Toddler was in heaven.

UniS Sun 13-May-12 22:13:02

Hurrah for glitter and pasta.

Have tired boy out this weekend.

Off to ask Mellors for a nice gentle foot rub in teh potting shed.

Donki Mon 14-May-12 11:29:48

CMOT You've got tickets for Grade 1 para dressage.... cheer them on for me! (quietly so as not to spook the horses).

I must be mad. 8 hours on a train in each direction... with the YD (he changed his mind) ... but we have decided to go and see the cross country.

(YD, you know we'll have to sit on the train for HOURS, and I don't want to hear the B.O.R.E.D word half way round the cross country course... or Iw ill be a very fierce Donki)

UniS Mon 14-May-12 11:47:13

Good decision donki. once in a lifetime opportunity and all that.

soup d'jour and roll avec sugestion for lunch, anybody?

Donki Mon 14-May-12 12:02:10

I can offer spicy carrot soup - and will gladly have a GF roll tres sugestif!
Thanks UniS
(How do a type e with a grave accent? I can type acute accents....)

Donki Mon 14-May-12 12:03:53

Is that glitter sprinkled over the rolls Uni?

CMOTDibbler Mon 14-May-12 12:17:19

Show YD some of the youtube videos of eventing falls, and he'll be agog to see if anyone gets dumped in the water. Water falls are ds's favourite

soup and a suggestive gf roll would be great here too

mistlethrush Mon 14-May-12 12:45:44

Yes please to the soup!

MiL is still outraged at how long the park is to be closed to the general public (even though I think that she probably only really uses it when we go to stay). Having seen the schedule of how long they expect it to take to reopen parts, I'm astounded at how quickly they're going to get parts of it open again.

The long train ride is why we've not been very enthusiastic about her idea of travelling to see Swiss cousins via the channel tunnel. Funnily enough she's not mentioned it since we said that she was very welcome to take him on the train and we'd take the plane and meet her at an appointed time.

Donki - just out of interest, that restaurant is doing 6 course GF meals on special evenings which is an interesting idea.

Oooh and CMot did I see you'd been picked for tickets for a bit of camping and culture too?

CMOTDibbler Mon 14-May-12 13:02:38

Yes grin am dead chuffed as it looks great and will be tiddlers first camping festival. Lots of different music

mistlethrush Mon 14-May-12 13:04:13

I didn't see the thread unfortunately sad Although I'm not really sure that I would cope with camping for the weekend....

Donki Mon 14-May-12 21:30:06

Oh Dear God!
We've just had a double glazing salesman round. I do really sympathise with them in that it is a rubbish job, selling on commission, especially in the current climate.

BUT I asked him what the U-values of the windows he was offering were, and he was completely flummoxed. "The UV whats?". He hadn't a clue. Just how is a customer supposed to compare windows if they don't know how much heat the window allows to escape? Poor chap was embarrassed too when he realised how important it was...

Surely other people want to know these things, not just obstinate physics teachers?

Jacksmania Mon 14-May-12 21:40:04

If camping involves sleeping in tents and on the ground, I couldn't cope with it, either, MT smile
My version of camping is in MIL's camper van. With soft sheets on the bed, and indoor plumbing. Although the said indoor plumbing is so small that [warning: I'm about to lower the tone] DH refuses to do a poo in there because he says he'd have to open the door to wipe his bum. Sorry grin but the first time he said that I nearly fell over laughing as he demonstrated how all 6'2" and 210 lbs of him fit, or rather, didn't fit, into the tiniest loo ever grin
JB grades the size of everything by "people-size" and "Jack-size". So when we recently inspected the camper van, with a view to taking it to our favourite campground in Southern Oregon this summer, JB said, "look, a Jack-sized loo!" He says he remembers going on our 2009 trip down to California in it, but I doubt he actually does. We'll be leaving July 14th and returning the 22nd. We're so excited.

May I raise the tone again by offering everyone some champagne? No reason. But I looked over at the drinks cart and observed Mellors serving champagne on the verandah to a gorgeous sunset.

Jacksmania Mon 14-May-12 21:40:54

Donki, that would be my first question. Seriously. YANBU.

Champagne?

ComeIntoTheGardenMaud Mon 14-May-12 21:47:08

Oh good grief. It's a long time time since I saw that picture of Mellors.

::goes to lie down on the fainting couch::

UniS Mon 14-May-12 21:55:57

Hurrah, the kellogs free kids swim thing DOES include our localish pool. Now, if I could just find a time when I can take him swimming , in among all the other sporty activities he does.... We dropped swim classes for now, so he could so cricket ( an because I want him to be nearer to 7 before he starts stage 4.

Mellors REALLY needs to put some more clothes on, the poor man will catch his death....
<< UniS wafts out the door with a pile of warm dry togs and a muffler for the dear man>>

LOL at Jack size loo.

ComeIntoTheGardenMaud Mon 14-May-12 21:58:41

UniS - does Boy still do ballet? I was thinking of him today while buying ballet shoes.

UniS Mon 14-May-12 22:13:30

Yep. He was such a PITA tantruming little horror this afternoon that I threatened him with "not going to ballet tomorrow if you don't calm down". He calmed down, came down and apologised to me. We got on with the spelling practise he had stropped out over.

Currently 2 boys in littles class, only boy in Boys class and no boys in older classes. He is sitting in on the 1st Tap/Step class tomorrow, might be adding Tap/Step in September.

ComeIntoTheGardenMaud Mon 14-May-12 22:15:26

Fab. I met a man today who as a boy went to the Royal Ballet School. That's something to aim for.

UniS Mon 14-May-12 23:17:17

Don;t think Boy has his sights set that high. He wants to win the broom dance competition at teh Dartmoor folk festival.

BUT when he grows up he wants to be a pro cyclist who lives in the mountains and skis all winter, AND he wants to play cricket.

ComeIntoTheGardenMaud Mon 14-May-12 23:21:17

What a terrific set of ambitions. grin

mistlethrush Tue 15-May-12 12:23:16

I was really happy with DS's report about how his homework assignment went over from the weekend. His homework came home - they're doing some project work on mini-beasts, and they had to do some research and come back with information about things like habitat, life cycle, appearance etc with some images for their chosen mini-beast.

Ds chose praying mantis. Which he said at the time wasn't exactly 'mini' but continued anyway (me having checked with him, several times, that they really didn't mean them to do the work on UK insects).

So... we sorted some images out without any problem. Then we looked for the information - the 4 website links only had one lot of relevance, so we got onto the relevant site, he navigated his way round, and copied off the relevant information and put it under the headings we'd already put into a word document - so he had to decide what went where and if it was relevant. We had some rather sparse areas, so had another go at filling in the information and found another site with lots of facts - so same process, but this time he had to decide whether he needed it or the original stuff was better or that the new stuff was better than the old etc. At the end he read it all through. I then emailed it in (as printer broken) with an apology for emailing. He was chuffed that the teacher remarked on it - and he knew that he'd done most of it himself, even though I was doing a bit of guiding. And we managed it all without any grumpiness too - and he saw how a little extra digging (the 2nd website) made all the difference to the finished product.

He's still enjoying street dance - and is quite positive towards dance in general, and quite OK with other boys doing it (because someone has to hold the ballerinas up) although also quite in agreement that he's not really very graceful or elegant which is why other things might be more appropriate for him....

ComeIntoTheGardenMaud Tue 15-May-12 21:38:21

Ah, yes. We are in the season of parents' evenings. The termly opportunity to hear about one's child's crimes misdemeanours genius.

mistlethrush Tue 15-May-12 22:02:11

grin Maud! What misdemeanours genius has yours been demonstrating? Not sure when our next parents evening is - mc has just had the last day of visiting the next site - had a good time by the sound of it.

ComeIntoTheGardenMaud Tue 15-May-12 22:07:22

Oh, just the usual, Mistle. Splitting the atom, composing haiku in Japanese, that kind of thing.

mistlethrush Tue 15-May-12 22:19:13

Glad to hear it lol

Mine's splitting things... not sure any atoms involved.

And definitely actively involved they can't shut him up

And interested in literature especially silly poems

And that's before the parents evening.

Sorry homework came out rather long - I was just pleased that he'd concentrated, and worked hard and saw a positive result rather than leaving it 80%.

beanandspud Wed 16-May-12 09:27:58

Good Morning! Coffee and croissants are on the side!

gringringrin at MC's homework as well as Girl splitting the atom (in Japanese).

mistlethrush Wed 16-May-12 09:40:36

Oooh yes please Bean - lovely and sunny here today for a change!

Scout19075 Wed 16-May-12 21:05:09

<<geek alert>>

I LOVE my laminator. It makes me happy.

UniS Wed 16-May-12 21:07:08

WOW scout- Should you have laminated yourself?? soooo shiny and smooth and waterproof, now EVERYTHING will just wipe off....

mistlethrush Wed 16-May-12 21:07:25

What have you been laminating scout?

Scout19075 Wed 16-May-12 21:12:51

Oh yes, the easy clean feature comes in handy when having a toddler. The paint, markers and yogurt just slide right off!

Scout19075 Wed 16-May-12 21:15:10

I've been laminating games & puzzles for Toddler and some prayer cards. I need to do some of my recipe cards and some more of the Guide outdoor cooking cards but not sure I'll get to them tonight.

UniS Wed 16-May-12 23:32:40

if you want to be the best, if you want to beat the rest...
then...
Laminations what you need.

with apologies to Roy Castle. and to scout for obscure cultural references.

UniS Wed 16-May-12 23:34:44

oh wow, I'd forgotten this one, but I remember the tune
mysterious cities of gold , random 80's cartoon alert.

Scout19075 Thu 17-May-12 12:24:45

Everywhere around me there's talk of babies. Everyone's pregnant!

SiL apparently is going to be induced next week (will get more details from MiL tomorrow when we go down). Friend who I gave all of the infant things to is due next week. Guiding friend told me she's due in January (yes, VERY early days for her to have told me). And just found out Toddler's Godfather and unofficial Godmother are going to have a baby due later in the year (VERY excited about that one).

mistlethrush Thu 17-May-12 12:57:25

I seem to be the only one at work with just one - everyone else has two or is planning on two, so I know what you mean.

Scout19075 Thu 17-May-12 13:19:28

Well, as we know SiL has a football team. Friend due next week is about to have number four. But Guiding friend and longtime friends/Godparents are excepting their firsts. I'm so excited and happy for Toddler's Godparents -- they are lovely people and I think will be wonderful parents.

Scout19075 Thu 17-May-12 20:37:06

[excited Mommy]

Toddler went to bed and DIDN'T GET OUT AT ALL even though, after 15 minutes he was still awake and I snuck downstairs.

YAY!!!!

UniS Thu 17-May-12 20:51:18

Hurrah

Scout19075 Thu 17-May-12 21:07:50

He's definitely out. And I'm so excited I could burst!

oxeye Fri 18-May-12 01:14:13

Top cat is going to be made into a film!
and today Oxboy found Denis the Menace is a cartoon on CBBC!
we are a happy if slightly square eyed family!

mistlethrush Fri 18-May-12 07:32:34

MC has discovered The Beano. Trouble is, the magazines are normally near the start of the supermarket - which means that the rest of the time he has to be guided around the aisles because he's absorbed in reading it.

Denis the menace has changed into something much less hard edged in the comic and the cartoon.

ComeIntoTheGardenMaud Fri 18-May-12 07:58:52

Oh yes. Bloke and I are desperate to see the To Cat film, regardless of whether The Girl wants to go. We've been a Beano household for a couple of years but, oddly, The Girl isn't much interested in Dennis on tv.

Scout19075 Fri 18-May-12 20:11:02

Second night in a row Toddler's stayed in bed AND we're not even in our own house tonight.

CMOTDibbler Fri 18-May-12 20:26:03

Well done that Toddler !

ComeIntoTheGardenMaud Fri 18-May-12 22:36:17

Yay!

wine and twiglets all round.

Scout19075 Sat 19-May-12 20:52:12

Not so good tonight but not as bad as it has been in the past.

Jacksmania Sun 20-May-12 00:42:13

<JM peeks in with surgical mask over face>
<promises to touch nothing>

Just wanted to say hello. We've all been so ill with colds this week. I had to cancel a full day of patients on Thursday, grrrr. Didn't get out of bed all day. Got our of bed and did too much yesterday. Sincerely regretting it today. I have almost no voice.

<cough and sneezes are heard all the way down into the Priest Hole>

ComeIntoTheGardenMaud Sun 20-May-12 09:34:17

Poor you, Jack. Have a medicinal wine and a lovely chest-clearing massage with Mellors.

Jacksmania Sun 20-May-12 17:36:39

A chest massage? Oh well, ok, go on then grin

ComeIntoTheGardenMaud Sun 20-May-12 19:28:59

I was actually meaning a back and shoulder massage which might help to open and clear the chest, you saucy minx!

Scout19075 Sun 20-May-12 19:57:54

<<Joins queue for a massage>>

ComeIntoTheGardenMaud Sun 20-May-12 20:08:31

::hands out fluffy white towels and massage oil to all those in the queue::

Donki Sun 20-May-12 20:18:23

<<Brings in a bucket of potent lemon, honey and whisky>>
For all those with colds. Treat it with caution! It's very effective....

The Bullfinches are back in the garden! They look very exotic with their bright red chests and sooty caps!

<<Looks away delicately as Mellors starts a chest massage>> blush

Scout19075 Sun 20-May-12 20:21:36

Can I have a robe, too? And a nice pair of slips.

Scout19075 Sun 20-May-12 20:21:58

Slippers, even.

Jacksmania Sun 20-May-12 20:30:58

Oh dear Maud, silly me grin

<gratefully accepts all potions and lotions that might make me feel better>

Scout19075 Sun 20-May-12 20:36:49

I have even eaten too much this weekend and feel incredibly round.

However, we have finally started Spooks 6 so I am happy. grin

Jacksmania Mon 21-May-12 05:19:34

This cold is trying to kill me. I know it is. I'm going to wake up tomorrow morning and find I've either sneezed myself to death in my sleep (I'll probably find that my head has blown off and is somewhere in the next county) or I've been suffocated by snot or that I've coughed out my lungs and they're lying on top of the duvet waiting for me to figure out how to get them back inside me again.

I'm not exaggerating in the slightest.

At this moment, there is not enough cold medicine in the world.

mistlethrush Mon 21-May-12 07:08:14

Ooh JM, hope it goes away soon. Bad colds can be really nasty.

Jacksmania Mon 21-May-12 20:12:43

It hasn't gone away yet. [grumpy]

Scout19075 Mon 21-May-12 20:18:29

<<Passes JM some chocolates>> It's not a cold cure but should help raise the spirits a bit.

CMOTDibbler Mon 21-May-12 20:29:47

<hugs> blasted virus. I hope you are resting lots young lady <stern look>. I find spending lots of time in the bath, or going swimming really gives at least temporary relief

UniS Mon 21-May-12 22:10:15

chin up JM.

hello tea room, I'm back fro my brief flirt with Olympic glory. No photos exist ( I hope) so all is well. May I just say that my idea to take my bike to work as my "Access all areas, working vehicle" was fab and made my weekend a LOT easier.

Now, whos for a some funky music and a quick bounce about teh dance floor with mellors and teh NMBS.

mistlethrush Mon 21-May-12 23:04:11

Did you get to carry the torch Unis? Or watch it? No where near here yet. Although someone at work has been chosen to carry it through a part of their town....

Very tired DS here today - refused to go to sleep on the way home last night until I shouted at him.....

G&T anyone?

UniS Mon 21-May-12 23:21:25

just watched. Tho my boss did get asked to " hold this a minute would you " and was handed a torch 1 minute after it was carried off stage.

I was looking after generators and other power at lots of "torch relay celebration " locations at nearby city that the torch stopped at over night.

mistlethrush Mon 21-May-12 23:31:40

grin definitely counts still Unis!

ComeIntoTheGardenMaud Tue 22-May-12 09:49:21

Wow UniS! You had an Olympic role. Fantastic!

I did enjoy strutting my stuff with Mellors, just as I've been enjoying all the 70s nostalgia on the BBC. That song is a mainstay of our New Year's Eve parties with the neighbours and always gets people movin and a'groovin on the dance floor.

Scout19075 Tue 22-May-12 16:39:49

envy at UniS's Olympic Role. You rock!

Does anyone know what sort of dirt/soil I should use to plant my tomatoes?

And do you think a black skirt, a light-weight grey three-quarter sleeves cardi (with flower pattern around the top) and a light/spring color tank-top (under the cardi) would be okay for an end-of-May wedding?

mistlethrush Tue 22-May-12 19:42:20

Are you planting them in garden soil or in a tub Scout? If the latter, you can get a good (ideally peat-free) grobag and empty the contents into a pot - or actually buy a bag of compost that says its potting -on compost and mentions things like bedding plants (usually you get more compost for your money if you go for the grobag option).

Scout19075 Tue 22-May-12 19:57:24

In a tub, MT. One of those fabric-y vegetable bags, actually. I have a couple of bags of the compost stuff that says for pots but wasn't sure if those were good for tomatoes in a pot/bag thing.

mistlethrush Tue 22-May-12 20:09:43

As long as they're fine for eg bedding plants, they should be fine. However, get a bottle of tomato feed and follow the instructions on it to help them along a bit more. If its a fabric bag, you'll probably find it dries out a bit on the sides so you might want to water small amounts pretty regularly.

Scout19075 Wed 23-May-12 20:03:49

I took a ridiculous number of pictures today. blush

UniS Wed 23-May-12 20:39:36

how many is a ridiculous number??

Scout19075 Wed 23-May-12 21:09:49

Close to 100. We only went to the park for a picnic/duck feeding/playing at the playground.

UniS Wed 23-May-12 21:41:07

that is quite a lot. the joy of digital photography.
were any of these pics any good?

I spent much of the day gardening. then took boy to the park after school.

Scout19075 Wed 23-May-12 21:49:06

Good by who's standard? Mom and BBF/TS's Godmother are quite happy.

beanandspud Thu 24-May-12 08:45:58

Morning all!

<<waves at everyone>>

JM, I hope that you are feeling a bit better.

Unis, your Olympic experience sounds like fun. I have booked a morning off to take Small Bean to see the Olympic torch when it comes through our town. He may not remember it but I feel that he should at least be able to say that he was there.

Scout - fwiw I would use a tomato grow bag and 'decant' it into your tubs. I tend to start mine off in a gro-bag and then they go into the ground but there's something in the bags that seems to give them a good start. After only a couple of days of sun the garden is beginning to look better and things are actually growing instead of just 'surviving'.

brew is on the side...

mistlethrush Thu 24-May-12 09:29:04

Wonderful weather here - forgetmenots flowering profusely in the veg garden hmm

Does look pretty though.

Off to the races with work - what a day for it!

UniS Thu 24-May-12 09:47:55

good morning , good morning. Mist has burnt off aND ITS ANOTHER BEAUTIFUL DAY OUTSIDE TEH ORANGERY. mELORS WILL BE ROUND SHORTLY WITH COOL DRINKS.opps, sorry about caps lock.

teh NMBs are limbering up for a window cleaning marathon , see them in their teeny tiny speedos and squeegee bandoleers.

beanandspud Thu 24-May-12 10:07:09

Have a fantastic day MT - hope you have a hat - maybe something like this???

Yes please to cool drinks Unis - I love your part of the world when it's like this.

CMOTDibbler Thu 24-May-12 10:59:05

Sounds like a great day MT

Today is the first visit of the olympic torch relay to the area, so we'll go this evening

Pimms anyone ?

mistlethrush Thu 24-May-12 19:33:09

There were some good hats and dresses as it was Ladies Day - but not quite that extreme. I came out around even - possibly slightly ahead and it was a good day albeit rather hot.

I should have borrowed one of the fascinators that the NMBs have redecorated the aspidistra with

Donki Sat 26-May-12 18:18:51

The aspidistra is really looking rather festive! Do you think it is in honour of next weekend? There seems to be a bit of a theme to the colours..... grin

Went to get a new suitcase with the YD today (one of our old ones died last year....)
'No, YD we are NOT choosing a suitcase because you like the lock...."
Repeat about 50 times.... then another 50.... then have to physically steer the whinging YD out of the shop... 'It's not fair. I like the lock on that one...'

Was sorely tempted to use said lock to fasten the YD into one of the cases and leave him....

Scout19075 Sun 27-May-12 12:35:29

Toddler seems to be stretching. He no longer looks like a Toddler Scout but a Boy Scout. It's lovely to see him growing up (a bit sad too) but scary to notice that every morning he has grown over night.

Donki Sun 27-May-12 19:35:34

I know Scout - they grow so fast. I think most people find it scary at times, I know that I do. The YD seems to get bigger and older so quickly...

UniS Sun 27-May-12 19:54:58

spent this afternoon making a new pair of school shorts for boy ( cut down trousers), he likes long shorts, the shop bought ones are a bit shorter this year than last.
Also made him a red/ white/ blue decorated T-shirt for non uniform day on friday. He thinks it great having his initial on the front in union flag pattern fabric, and a diamond of same fabric on the back. Made simple bandanas for boy and best mate , and a hair band for me.

Now waiting for DH to get home from cricket. I will be late for pub quiz, grrrr. And DH ended up in A&E mid match thanks to a ball in face and lots of blood. That will be a very mucky cricket kit Again.

beanandspud Sun 27-May-12 21:57:39

Happy Sunday everyone! I have Pimms on the go if anyone would like one?

Unis, as always I am in awe of your sewing skills. I found the lazy mum's answer to fancy dress this year when I discovered cheap packs of t-shirt transfers. Step 1: print off appropriate picture (union jack, The Queen, Kate Middleton, favourite book character). Step 2: iron onto plain white t-shirt.

Scout - I know what you mean about them growing up. Small Bean had shorts on for the first time this week and he seems to have developed Boy-Legs instead of Toddler-Legs sad. All very sad really although he told me today 'mummy, you can always have a kiss and a cuddle whenever you like!' - I will hold him to that when he turns into a stroppy teenager.

Donki - lovely to see you! I laughed at YD and the suitcase locks - exactly the sort of conversation we have! Hope all is well in Donki-land, did you sort out your Olympic ticket dilemma?

We have a crowd of people over for lunch next week for the Bank Holiday. I don't want to BBQ so do any wise Tearoomers have suggestions for good outdoor-lunch type food?

oxeye Sun 27-May-12 23:45:19

hello my dears! went to the woods today and made Smores and thought of you Scout and all other scouty type tearoomers!

bean I would not cook outside, that is the key, cook in and carry out, then do anything you like! Chicken in buttermilk; sausages, tiny burgers; halloumi cheese; salad; quiche and then just take it outside

getting excited about the weekend, wonder if the Jubilee picnic for OxBoy requires fancy dress or just red white and blue- UniS you've got me thinking!

mistlethrush Mon 28-May-12 04:44:19

I'm having to balance lots of Bah humbug from DH with lots of keenness to be part of the jubilee entertainment from DS... complicated by the fact that we're going away that week. I have promised DS that we'll do something, even if we have to leave the bah humbug monster to look after the dog for the afternoon.

Donki Mon 28-May-12 10:02:16

Bean
I discovered that it was possible to get a train from Porthmadoc to Cambridge. Well, two trains and 8 hours in each direction. The important thing being that it does not involve more driving.
The YD has decided to come too - but has been warned that if he complains halfway round the cross-county course that he is bored, I will be very cross indeed!
So we drive to Wales on the Friday with one set of friends. I get the train to Cambridge on Sunday with the YD, leaving DH with friends. Go to London/Greenwich with my other friends on Monday, get the train back to Porthmadoc on Tuesday, collapse in a heap for 2 days in Wales, and then drive home again...

If I am not mad now, I will be by the end of our holiday!

Donki Mon 28-May-12 10:03:07

<<<Waves at all the other tea-room habituées>>

teafortwo Mon 28-May-12 10:06:01

<arrives at Orangery in a 1920s sportscar and flapper attire> Yay yay yay - mn is big enough on my phone to read it!!!!!! How is EVERYONE???? grin

We are enjoying The sun and numerous May bank holidays... Yoooooopppppie, yooooooow - daaaaarkinks - it is just toooooo lovely this orangery !!!!!!!!. Champers anyone????

Scout19075 Mon 28-May-12 10:18:44

<<Waves to tea>> How's Milk?

mistlethrush Mon 28-May-12 12:10:54

Bean - depending upon weather I would be minded to do lots of summery things - I've got some nice summery quiche recipies which are great with a salad and perhaps a bean salad with them - you might want new potatoes or rolls, depending upon appetites and tastes - if you did something like this that you can basically get done before friends arrive and have in the fridge (or even oven) so that you can socialise with them before the meal and not have to mess around doing lots of preparation, that's the best bet.

Tea! Wonderful Car - and I see you've got Mellors giving it a quick polish already grin. Champers would be great, its lovely to see you!!! grin

teafortwo Mon 28-May-12 16:44:34

<pours 50th glass of champers> Yes - since dear ol' Beer went off exoloring Brazilian bushes Mellors has been especially attentive wink What-oh scout???? Milk .... Oooooops..... and Eccles - <mutters"I knew I had forgotten something" and wrecklessly blasts off in car to find them...>

Jacksmania Mon 28-May-12 17:44:39

Beer has gone off to explore Brazilian bushes?

<wonders if she has a really smutty mind> blush

mistlethrush Mon 28-May-12 17:47:28

Is this a new phone Tea? Will be good to have you back on a more permanent basis. How's milk doing at school?

JM I think that you're probably barking up the correct tree.

teafortwo Mon 28-May-12 18:17:24

'nuff said JM blush grin - Re new phone - no... Funny... I just clicked onto mn for a usual struggle and all is readable!!!!! Yaaay!!!!!! It is stionking, here - shall we fall into the apple orchards put up some fairy lights and dance under the sun and then stars... Barefoot???? Xxxx <nervous about IPhone links - but feeling up for it...>

Jacksmania Mon 28-May-12 18:57:43

<bleaches brain>
blush grin

UniS Mon 28-May-12 19:15:49

mwah mwah tea.
champers it is my dear. what ho.

teafortwo Mon 28-May-12 19:18:23

JM - I love you even with your weirdly bleeched brain grin.... It is fun to be in here again - grin

Today we were in the woods walking the dog - Milk was up trees, under leaves inspecting ants and ladybirds, identifying stinging nettles and hovering around them in a "dare I touch them" way... fab stuff!!! Milk is a Daisy now (rainbow) so oaa all the way from now on LOL<starts searching for some music to try and link to> <nervous>

teafortwo Mon 28-May-12 19:30:12

Unis - yaaaaaahooooo xxxx

teafortwo Mon 28-May-12 20:07:15
Scout19075 Tue 29-May-12 00:08:17

Stupid gardening question: Ladybugs don't eat plants, do they?

oxeye Tue 29-May-12 01:35:49

TEA!!!!!!! mwah mwah hello darling!
Sorry Bean I meant to post about food for the weekend - or did I? I am feeling the symptoms of the "know you're tired" thread. What about some cous cous salad with road veg on top, old Delia recipe but tres yummy

Ladybirds eat aphids and save plants as far as I know....

Donki - loving your olympic madness

mistlethrush Tue 29-May-12 08:58:12

Ladybird larvae (which look like a completely different creature altogether - they're sort of small black crocodile shape but insect obviously) are very keen on aphids so a very positive thing to have in the garden - as are hover flies too.

MT is also good at identifying stinging nettles. Luckily he is also pretty good at identifying dock leaves that are regularly required as a result of failing to spot the nettles because he's not looking where he's going. It sounds as though, one day, we'll all have to make a date to have a day out somewhere and let all the children romp together - based on all the children I've met it would go swimingly. There would be much tree climbing (and boosting of smaller people into trees no doubt) and general crashing around and a whole lot of tired, happy kids at the end of it.

Iced coffee and strawberries anyone?

Scout19075 Tue 29-May-12 10:01:34

Thanks for the info re ladybugs. We got a ladybug house yesterday and I had wanted to put it near the big flower pot in the front, which is on the edge of the jungle known as our "flower garden" (builders put in all of this stuff and we have no idea what it is and it is a real jungle so we just leave it alone with the random trip once/twice a year).

UniS Tue 29-May-12 14:11:11

arrrrghhh, MEN. well to be precise, DH.
I have 2 days work coming up. I will need to use a car. DH's car sharer has been off sick.... DH won't make the phone call to his car sharer to say " are you or are you not driving to work tomorrow"... that all I need to know, do I have our car or not, I can hire a car if I do not have our car, its not the end of teh world, I'd just like to KNOW...

I have just booked hire car "in case". Cost's a little more than a days childcare, but I've got childcare covered on favours so not tooo badly financially hit.

Best go and sort out my tools, waterproofs and boots.

Scout19075 Tue 29-May-12 15:42:15

At short notice friend has said she and her kids (TS's "big friends") could watch Toddler tomorrow while I go to the hospital for an MRI (if it was a normal consultant appointment I'd take him with me) since friend who was going to watch him can no longer. I had some chocolates for friend who was originally going to babysit (she's a Guiding friend who I regularly give Mars Bars to for various things, including keeping her stocked at camp, since those are her favorites). Now I'm wondering what little token can I give other friend and her two as a thank you for having Toddler for a large portion of the afternoon while I go for tests. Any suggestions?

UniS, you have my sympathies -- MrScout is the same. I regularly can't even get answers to where is he staying overnight on the day in question. ARGH indeed!

Jacksmania Tue 29-May-12 17:02:46

What is so bloody difficult about answering a simple question?? I occasionally have to bite my tongue right off so as not to snap at DH "which is it, yes or no? These are not difficult questions!"

UniS Tue 29-May-12 17:38:47

chocolate is always a good start scout. Maybe add some kid friendly biscuits or snacky bits.

FINALLY got an answer from DHat about 4.15 , he is taking leave.... so back to option A which I thought had been discarded weeks ago. BUT I do have the car. And As boy is booked in to play with friends after school on both days dH gets nice long days to himself and will probably go for a walk on one or both of them.

Jacksmania Tue 29-May-12 18:19:03

Did someone say chocolate? smile

mistlethrush Tue 29-May-12 19:47:16

I agree - then they get all huffy about being put on the spot to answer yes or no....

I'd think chocolate is a good start. Does it need to be more? Would you do the same for her and is it likely to happen?

wine anyone?

Jacksmania Tue 29-May-12 20:06:52

Oh, it definitely needs to be more chocolate.

Jacksmania Tue 29-May-12 20:07:47

And, whoops, I should NOT skim-read threads. blush

Scout, chocolate is fine, especially if you would and have done the same for her (and I bet you would/have).

I'll now switch to the wine, thanks...

Scout19075 Tue 29-May-12 20:25:05

Yes, chocolates sound like a good idea. I'll get a mixed box of celebrations or roses or something when I go shopping tonight. I'll still drop the Mars Bars off to Guiding friend -- her son's getting married next week and she's a bit stressed (son and his fiancé are living abroad and have come back for the wedding so she's been helping with a lot of the leg work) so think she'd appreciate her favorite treat.

As for other friend, I haven't yet watched her two but would gladly do so if needed. We do the "keep an eye on all of the kids" thing when we're out (playground, soft play, etc). I quite like her two. And what's important is they seem fond of Toddler (and Toddler worships them, especially the boy) and play with him, include him the hellos/goodbyes, invite him to join in, etc., even though he's much younger than they are.

Scout19075 Tue 29-May-12 23:04:03

I went for a box of Cadbury's and a barrel box of biscuits. Both were half price so felt I could get both instead of just one. Still, a box of chocolates and a box of biscuits is well worth the price in not having to wrangle Toddler from the MRI tube. grin

Scout19075 Wed 30-May-12 09:53:36

Toddler's looking at little picture frame with a picture of MrScout & I that was taken just before we were married. We still look the same so he can easily recognize "Mommy & Daddy." But he was looking at it saying "Mommy Daddy Family."

<<Wipes away a tear>>

I don't know where he's worked that out from but my heart just melted.

Donki Wed 30-May-12 19:25:16

Scout, that is really lovely!
<<Thinks fondly of the YD at that age>>

Scout19075 Wed 30-May-12 21:04:42

Later in the morning, while in the bathroom with me as we got ready for the day (shower, teeth, hair, etc) he watched himself in the mirror and gave me a cuddle (while watching) and said "Mommy Toddler Family."

<<Sigh>>

Toddler's been an absolute star today.

mistlethrush Wed 30-May-12 21:12:06

Its nice when they're working out connections like that. You should perhaps get some photos out from both sides of the family - hemight be fascinated - mc certainly was.

Scout19075 Wed 30-May-12 22:05:52

I'm in the process of doing a simple pictorial family tree for Toddler.

ComeIntoTheGardenMaud Wed 30-May-12 23:28:53

::wafts in::

How lovely to see Tea!

::clasps Oxeye to her ample bosom, comme toujours::

And that is just awesome, Scout. Toddler is the cutest!

Scout19075 Wed 30-May-12 23:39:11

<<Joins in the bosom clasping>>

I'm on my own today and after a crazy afternoon/evening and a very sore arm I'm a bit lonely and could do with a hug.

ComeIntoTheGardenMaud Wed 30-May-12 23:44:02

<<hugs>>

I'm off to bed now. Would you like some wine and chocolate before I go?

Scout19075 Wed 30-May-12 23:46:23

A bit of chocolate. Thanks, Maud! I'm on my way to bed, too.

ComeIntoTheGardenMaud Wed 30-May-12 23:48:57
teafortwo Thu 31-May-12 06:42:27

Yum!!!! What is all this chocolate on the table???? <puts kettle on, starts making tea for all> Good morning, tearoom ladies xxx

Scout19075 Thu 31-May-12 08:44:25

Mmmm, chocolates for breakfast. The best way to start the day!

Arm has finally stopped buzzing but it's still tender and sore. The vein they finally got to work is still puffy and can be seen sticking out of my arm a bit. If I move it wrong (my arm/wrist) it twinges.

Swimming with Toddler will be interesting (I haven't been picking him up/supporting him with that arm).

mistlethrush Thu 31-May-12 09:19:45

brew all round?

Lovely and cool here and nice and fresh. Just need the weather to pick up a little so that we don't get drowned all of next week....

teafortwo Thu 31-May-12 20:21:18

After an emotional rollercoaster lasting longer than I'd care to admit...- it has happened - milk has her slightly odd looking style over content jesus boots summer sandals.... Surely that calls for some champagne popping, non?????!!!!!!?????

ComeIntoTheGardenMaud Thu 31-May-12 20:24:19

Oh yeah, Tea!

::waggles glass, optimistically::

teafortwo Thu 31-May-12 20:40:29

pours out several pints and straws!!!!!! Yay!!!!! Milk and I are currently having an Abba fest - every morning we get up to the rhythms of Such musical heights as "Mamma Mia" and "Money, money, money" - Milk gets bs and ds confused so insists on calling them Adda - LOL...

teafortwo Thu 31-May-12 20:42:24

Hows pickin's Maud? X

Scout19075 Thu 31-May-12 20:45:03

I think my favorite glass is a pint glass -- you can drink anything from it!

<<Sets out some popcorn and chips & salsa, just to lower the tone a bit wink>>

ComeIntoTheGardenMaud Thu 31-May-12 20:48:57

Pickings? Is this some Anglo-French idiom? ::dim:: I am quite well but struggling with my Aged Ps.

How is the beautiful Milk? And how are you?

UniS Thu 31-May-12 21:11:53

<<UniS wanders in the orangery dressed in a fluffy white bath robe>>

Can I borrow Mellors for a quick rub down in teh ( clean ) potting shed please. Been a tiring two days setting up power for a festival. Lots of walking across a field carrying heavy stuff.

But I did bring you all back some hula hoops . not the eating kind... SO we can all get that festival hippy vibe over the weekend.

ComeIntoTheGardenMaud Thu 31-May-12 21:17:50

Oooh. I'd love to go to a festival. As well as the hula hoops, could we do poi dancing?

CMOTDibbler Thu 31-May-12 21:20:57

<<joins in glass waggling>> Mwah ! Mwah!

Oh dear Maud, it it just general agedness problems ?

ComeIntoTheGardenMaud Thu 31-May-12 21:30:54

Sigh. General agedness combined with an unwillingness to take sensible and reasonable options but instead to dump it all on me delegate the problems to their oldest child.

CMOTDibbler Thu 31-May-12 21:38:50

Oh dear, its so hard when they just won't listen to reason

mistlethrush Thu 31-May-12 21:44:32

<waggles glass>

I went for a hair cut and so did ds today. Ds was not well behaved. Although the hairdresser did end up squirting him with quite a bit of water. Both haircuts look good despite that though!

Donki Thu 31-May-12 21:45:36

<<Gets poi out so that Maud can show her the moves>>

That's more like it!

I have been getting very frustrated with trying to find someone to practice talking Spanish with. I never seem to be able to meet up with anyone elso on my OU course - either I can't get to on-line sessions, or nobody else turns up. My SiL is always to busy, The local (Leeds) Spanish conversation group is at logistically impossible times. Grrrr. (Gosh!, that is a strange noise for a Donki, or perhaps I should say strange for a Burro)

So Poi dancing is just the thing! grin

Donki Thu 31-May-12 21:47:05

Mistle - I bet you both look very smart! I always think that the YD looks older when he has had a hair cut.

CMOTDibbler Thu 31-May-12 21:51:20

Would typing in spanish help Donki ? Maybe you could find spanish speakers here to chat to

ComeIntoTheGardenMaud Thu 31-May-12 21:51:28

I don't really have any poi moves, but have loved it since seeing a very impressive French group fire-dancing at a son et lumiere thing.

Could you establish a MN Spanish group, Donki?

mistlethrush Thu 31-May-12 21:55:09

mc likes putting wax in the top of his hair and then making it all spiky... seems to be getting a bit more of my curl so there's quite a bit of character in it...

Donki Thu 31-May-12 21:58:56

I can type in Spanish until the cows come home - although it gets very repetitive due to a shortage of vocabulary, unless I bury myself in the dictionary (which I often do - I can spend hours with a dictionary [geek emoticon]). Having someone to have a typed conversation with would be helpful, because it would be more motivation that yet another paragraph with no "audience". It is like talking to myself.
What I really lack is speaking practice. I have a couple of films, 21 episodes of Tintin and dozens of podcasts for listening practice. But speaking? Talking to someone is what I find hardest, because you have to think much faster.
I shall try a MN group - you never know!

although I shall be away over half term...

UniS Thu 31-May-12 22:01:20

boy, after a day on teh beach in particular, has fluff hair. no wax required , it stands bolt up right and looks very sweet and fluffy.

I now have clean hair, which is nice, if bit damp. washed lots of diesel and dust out.

ComeIntoTheGardenMaud Thu 31-May-12 22:06:46

::Sniffs the air:

Ah yes, UniS's characteristic parfum de diesel. The Girl is keen to have her hair cut short, but it has to wait until after the next ballet exam, as it has to be worn in a bun for that.

teafortwo Thu 31-May-12 22:28:27

Oh Maud - thanks for asking...Milk is magic - she made me Mummy word jam at school... Sweet idea... They filled a jam pot with little pieces of paper with poetic and kind words for their Mummies "My princess" "you are super" "my angel" - etc very simple and very cute!!!! And me? I walk the streets of Paris to the rhythms of 70s diva music 80percent of the time and 20percent of the time I find myself whistling radiohead - iyswim - but we are getting back in our feet... smile

I am sorry to hear about your ap s ... I live in denial that my own parents Will stay forever young... and SO do they <sticks head in sand>

teafortwo Thu 31-May-12 22:41:43

Milk is lovin' being a Daisy (rainbow)... I ordered her, her uniform yesterday - it is a little blue wastecoat with the American flag on it and she must earn her petals and journey badges. There are seven in her troop and they meet monthly. All the parents seem to stay to pitch in with organising and chin-wag and join in the fun - so it is quite a social event for all. Milk has a special Leadership journey book and she is insisting on working on it daily!!!!

ComeIntoTheGardenMaud Thu 31-May-12 22:42:26

Aww. Bless you both.

UniS Thu 31-May-12 23:07:24

hurrah for enthusiastic daisying. long may her petals last.

If the pack of daisies go out for a walk, are they in a dasiy chain?

Scout19075 Thu 31-May-12 23:11:33

<<Hahahahhaha>>

oxeye Fri 01-Jun-12 02:35:55

just coming in to salute The Joke nice work UniS!

We have only 2 Beaver packs here, so no joy for OxBoy - but with my finbar saunders mind perhaps no bad thing and OxBloke spends most time he is here building camps/ lighting fires with stick etc anyway so perhaps the lack is not so great...
<sigh> am with Mistle and the ba humbug jubilee DH and UniS on teh inability to answer qustions (in my case - when are you up the Limpopo next, shall be book a ticket so its not ten squillion million pounds when you fly?) no answer, and it just sound like I'm shoving him away! grin

I have stealth revenge - tomorrow night my our house will be decked with bunting/ flags and I'm making Fancy Cakes

oxeye Fri 01-Jun-12 02:37:11

we love Abba too - Oxboy favourite is Gimme Gimme Gimme a Man After Midnight - sung loudly and endlessly grin

love Toddler's family finding

teafortwo Fri 01-Jun-12 06:24:48

Good morning... <puts very very good coffee on the stove to brew and waits for everyone to follow their nose to it>

Jacksmania Fri 01-Jun-12 06:32:08

Good night all (10:30 pm here).
<ignores coffee and goes to bed>

Scout19075 Fri 01-Jun-12 09:20:10

It's a cute thing Toddler's cute or I may just have sent him back to where he came from last night. <<Quietly nods off in a corner>>

Scout19075 Fri 01-Jun-12 09:21:50

See, I'm so tired I can't even type!

It's a GOOD thing Toddler's cute or I may just have sent him back to where he came from last night.

<<Sneaks a blanket & pillow from one of the beds to add to her corner>>

mistlethrush Fri 01-Jun-12 09:37:29

<Pulls a patchwork quilt out and gently places over Scout>

<Opens creaky chest in the corner and pulls out a couple of play mats and a really soft blanket ready for thumblet and gives the NMBs the job of making sure that they're clean>

<Wonders whether giving the NMBs a job that involves making things clean rather than dirty was a good idea>

<Finds coffee pot>

brew thanks Tea - very nice coffee.

We're waiting until mc goes up to junior school before he joins cubs - they apparently run one from school after school one night. Might need to look into whether there's a waiting list or anything.

DH does all on-line purchasing - I told him to look at the site of the place I'd identified for taking mc to for Jubilee celebrations - a NT place (so I thought that whilst it would probably be busy, there are sure to be opportunities to get away and do other stuff) and he looked at the travelling time from where we'll be staying (less than an hour, so not awful) and grumbled at the fact there was something else going on there too so it would be busy and that was it. I later asked whether he'd sorted it (tickets for tea) and he said he hadn't because he thought I'd said it was too far hmm. Will have to check again later to see if he's sorted it out.

mistlethrush Fri 01-Jun-12 10:34:08

<puts up the bunting>

crown~*~wine~*~crown~*~wine~*~crown~*~wine~*~crown~*~wine~*~crown~*~wine~*~crown~*~wine~*~crown~*~wine~*~crown~*~wine~*~crown~*~wine~*~crown~*~wine~*~crown~*~wine~*~crown~*~wine~*~crown~*~wine~*~crown~*~wine~*~crown~*~wine~*~crown~*~wine~*~crown~*~wine~*~crown~*~wine~*~

Donki Fri 01-Jun-12 12:53:50

Ooops!
Sorry Mistlethrush, I seem to have got bunting wrapped all round my ears.....
blush

YD's school picnic has been cancelled due to dull grey weather sad

mistlethrush Fri 01-Jun-12 13:35:05

Aw that's a real shame!

DS has a 'jubilee celebration day' today - I have no idea what they're doing but apparently all I needed to do was let him go in 'party' clothes. I'm not quite sure what 'party' clothes are for DS because he chooses not to wear long-sleeved shirts and, because its 'summer' he's wearing shorts ... so normal weekend attire really.

Jacksmania Fri 01-Jun-12 19:42:18

Happy Jubilee to HMTQ.

Ok, that's done. wine anyone?

Donki Fri 01-Jun-12 19:47:19

I have just contemplated seeing when Queenie is visiting Leeds, and finding out if taking the YD is feasible. blush

Just feeling very smile and wanted to say hello!

Donki Fri 01-Jun-12 20:16:08

<<Puts brew and wine on the side, with a large bucket of hot chocolate, and some carrot cake>>

<<Unwinds bunting from ears and puts it back up>>
(Sorry MT)

Welcome LaBelleDame. I must say you are looking very beautiful tonight... smile

UniS Fri 01-Jun-12 20:24:40

Bunting, hurrah.
vvvvvvvvvvvvvvvvvvvvvvvvvvvvvvvvvvvvvvvvvvvvvvvvvvvv

I have bunted mightily today. plastic flag stuff on front of teh house, rope light too, a big county flag hung on a temporary flag staff, AND, AND, .... hold on this is good..

ah, boys home, back soon.

UniS Fri 01-Jun-12 20:28:59

false alarm , boy not back. He's at cricket, car & kid share arrangement in place.

any way.... where was I...
Yes, AND I have MADE bunting today. quick n dirty not hemmed bunting, so only really for indoor use, but it does look nice strung round teh conservatory. So I thought I'd make a little more for teh orangery. Sorry donki, mind your ears.
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CMOTDibbler Fri 01-Jun-12 20:33:42

Wow, buntingtastic UniS grin Must put ours out tomorrow

I have a lovely fruitcake in the oven as part of my preparations for the produce show on Sunday.

BelleDame - how lovely to see you smile How are things ?

Who is for some Pimms ?

beanandspud Fri 01-Jun-12 20:49:21

Did someone mention Pimms? Yes, please!

Hello to everyone! Only been away for a couple of days and I have missed so much. I was down in 'The Smoke' this week and loved seeing all of the flags and bunting on Regents Street etc. crownsmilecrownsmilecrown. Small Bean has had a ball with his grandparents while I was working but is absolutely shattered and could barely make it upstairs to bed.

Thank you for all of the lunch suggestions - I have added them to my growing list of ideas. We are going for a 'cook inside; eat outside' type meal so there will no doubt be lots of leftovers on Tuesday as portion control is not my strong point.

mistlethrush Fri 01-Jun-12 21:32:55

Hello Belledame!

Donki - let me know, it might make waiting better if we had someone to wait with blush

Pimms? I don't mind if I do! wine

Donki Fri 01-Jun-12 22:09:56

MT It's sometime around the 17th-19thJuly... I don't know any more yet.
I agree that company makes waiting more bearable. The YD also wants to go to Temple Newsam for the Olympic Torch (I blame propaganda from school) on 24th June. I don't know if the torch event needs tickets?

Our school is going to wave, kit and caboodle, when the torch comes through the village the school is in. Having helped with some of the risk assessments, we will need nearly as many staff as we have students! We'll have our own PCSO and everything....

mistlethrush Fri 01-Jun-12 23:28:50

Hmmm... we might not be around for the Queen then.

But we might manage the torch. Potentially....

Donki Sat 02-Jun-12 07:33:48

<<Sweeps up hay pile tidily out and gives it to Mellors for Earl and Lady Grey>>

shock Mellors! It's really not safe to muck out deshabillé <<Averts eyes>>

<<Puts out chorros y chocolate on the table for everyone.>>

<<Also a traditional English breakfast - mushrooms, sausages, black pudding, bacon (crispy or not according to requirement), eggs done just right, tomatoes, baked beans, fried bread, toast, butter, marmalade>>

<<Surveys work>>

Nobody will need to eat for a month after that lot!
Have a good weekend everybody - We're off on holiday! Woohoo!

ComeIntoTheGardenMaud Sat 02-Jun-12 09:23:06

Bon voyage, Donki!

::scoffs breakfast::

Jacksmania Sat 02-Jun-12 16:44:07

Mmmm... bacon and eggs... it's just breakfast time here. Thanks Donki and have a lovely holiday! Here, have some candied carrots for the road.

How's everyone else?

I am going to a plant sale today. A local online plant/flower company are getting rid of their spring stock, and the venue is halfway between our house and MIL's. I expect to get some fabulous deals grin which then means I have to take a very close look at the flower bed tomorrow. I think I'm going to get rid of the three gigantic lupines. They're lovely, in that they flower first so I have a burst of purple some time in May when the tulips are done but everything else is still just sort of thinking about flowering - but they are massive, and are shading some other stuff I really want to see. So, there may be some hard work in my future tomorrow.
<checks arm muscles>
<wishes there were a handy Mellors in her neighbourhood>

UniS Sat 02-Jun-12 19:14:27

ummmm, breakfast, love teh churros y choc.

JM, I have a Canadian query. Maple syrup? does any of the grade A stuff leave Canada, I can only find grades 2 or C here in supermarkets. Maybe I should be looking in a more expensive shop ( deli) or maybe the good stuff stays at home?

MORE bunting made and hung today. DH will tolerate it " for a few days" little does he realise I intend to have it up for a BBQ in 3 weeks time and my birthday in 5 and maybe when some friends come over for the evening in 10 days....

Torch relay - over rated, but strangely exciting if you do go. Better view of it all on TV.

Jacksmania Sun 03-Jun-12 04:52:01

The Grade A stuff leaves Canada only if shipped by friends. As far as I know it's not exported. I could be wrong but you're not the first person who's said she can't find any.
Would you like some? smile

UniS Sun 03-Jun-12 20:26:52

don;t worry, I like the grade C stuff well enough. just wondered.

But perhaps you could pop a jug of A grade on teh side board here in teh tea room for us mere mortals out side Canada to try on our pancakes in the morning.

Have spent a happy hour moching round teh US amazon site. adding things to my gift idea list with gay abandon. I think my DN&N's would like lego candy moulds...

ComeIntoTheGardenMaud Sun 03-Jun-12 20:39:16

Come on, Jacksmania. Tell me about your plant treasure!

::waggles trowel enticingly::

I bought bunting today.

::feels inadequate::

Jacksmania Sun 03-Jun-12 23:23:36

<obligingly supplies mahooosive jug of Canada Grade A Maple Syrup>

Maud, I got lilies. Gobs of them. DS helped me pick them out and completely charmed the socks off the ladies there is going to help me plant them in the cedar planter layer. We picked out shades of deep red to yellow. The one lady there was so in love with DS she gave him a blueberry plant, and something she calls a pineapple plant (the flower looks like a pineapple, she didn't give him an actual pineapple plant). It was lovely.

UniS Sun 03-Jun-12 23:29:28

My bunting may be a LITTLE over the top....

But I have made a fab rhubarb n custard cake to take to the village party tomorrow.

Scout19075 Sun 03-Jun-12 23:57:07

We have homemade (colored by Toddler) bunting hanging on the inside our our door. I do have bought bunting that never made it up. We were away for the weekend and Toddler carried his flag around, waving it regularly. MrScout taught him to say "God save the queen" but he needs to prompted to say it (as in, will only repeat it like a parrot).

Lovely weekend away with my boys. MrScout's on holiday all week -- YAY!

teafortwo Mon 04-Jun-12 07:09:05

<puts kettle on> Are you ones in Blighty still partying on Pimms and sarnies?????

teafortwo Mon 04-Jun-12 07:17:11

Ps - Labelledame...???? <bites lip> are you or I think you are????????

ComeIntoTheGardenMaud Mon 04-Jun-12 10:36:54

::clasps LaBelleDame to her ample bosom::

I think the pineapple plant will be a eucomis, Jacksmania. And I lurve lilies, although I hate having to squish the beetles? Do you have those in Canada?

Rhubarb and custard cake? I must look out for a recipe as we grow so much rhubarb on the allotment it's rhubarb-a-gogo here.

ComeIntoTheGardenMaud Mon 04-Jun-12 10:38:01

And yes please to Pimms if you're offering, Tea!

Jacksmania Mon 04-Jun-12 15:26:44

Feeling very sad this morning. A friend from yoga who has so bravely battled cancer, through chemo, radiation and multiple ops, has just passed away. My heart breaks for her little girls (5 and 7). Another friend has the little one in her kindergarten class and we've just been sniffling down the phone to each other sad
Oh, Im so sad. sadsadsadsad

ComeIntoTheGardenMaud Mon 04-Jun-12 15:55:05

Oh, Jacksmania. That is terrible. So tragic.

:grinffers a hankie and a hug::

ComeIntoTheGardenMaud Mon 04-Jun-12 15:56:02

Gah. That wholly inappropriate grin was not intended.

Jacksmania Mon 04-Jun-12 18:27:28

But it made me smile, and I really needed it. smile

I'm finding it very hard to be at work today. Good thing most of my patients are face down for a good bit.
I keep seeing my friend everywhere, if that makes any sense. I struggled with leaving JB at preschool today, hugging him goodbye I thought "my friend will never hug her little girls again" and I struggled to let go of him.

teafortwo Mon 04-Jun-12 20:04:08

I have no idea what to say, JM - so, so sad - my thoughts really are with your friend, her family and you. Xxxxxx

ComeIntoTheGardenMaud Mon 04-Jun-12 21:10:01

I can never remember whether it's the upper or lower case o that gives the grin, that's the trouble.

It's a terrible thing when people die young, leaving small children.

Scout19075 Mon 04-Jun-12 22:13:48

<<Offers JM a hug from across the water & land>>

beanandspud Mon 04-Jun-12 22:20:49

Sending you lots and lots of hugs JM. I have no clever words but my thoughts are with you all.

Jacksmania Mon 04-Jun-12 22:54:22

Thank you. I just want to cry and cry. Not that that helps at all.

Jacksmania Mon 04-Jun-12 22:57:53

I can't imagine what it must have been like for her these last few months knowing there was no hope, that she was dying and leaving her little girls. How could anyone hold on to anything good, knowing that?
Sorry, I'm really struggling with this.

UniS Tue 05-Jun-12 13:57:58

love n hugs JM. thought of you today as we had maple syrup with yoghurt for pudding.

Jacksmania Tue 05-Jun-12 15:31:44

Thanks UniS. thanks
That sounds lovely. You should try making maple and nut granola and having it with yoghurt. It's soooo good.

UniS Tue 05-Jun-12 16:21:26

Making stuff afternoon in chez uni again ( raining again). Boy and I have constructed the basic frame to turn a bike into a pirate ship.... more work needed with cardboard. today was the wood and scrap plastic pipe stage.

oxeye Tue 05-Jun-12 16:44:22

oh JM I am so very very sorry for your loss

we have tons of bunting, right across the street, and huge flags hanging from the houses. we had a corker of a street party and lots of other stufff but I am now officially Jubillee'd out....

oxeye Tue 05-Jun-12 16:55:42

::hugs LaBelleDame:: assuming you are la mere d'elliptical miss

xx

Just a brief drop in. So lovely to be hugged, to bosoms both ample and svelte.

The miss is as elliptical as ever, still bizarre, gaining in confidence but not enjoying school. Has a couple of very firm friends now.

Tea, did I see you in here?? Was planning London trip while DH was in Barcelona in July, but just heard he can't go. Am up for a day in London anyway, but would now have to be weekday (Tuesday or Thursday, pref Thursday) instead of weekend.

JM, so sorry for your news.

Have spent the day watching turkey chicks hatch and baking chocolatr cakes with the rabbit sitting on the table watching.

The skeleton of RacingPig was found behind the greenhouse. How I wish I had thought to look there when he disappeared ... sad.

Have had many Jubilee celebrations, both corkers and otherwise, now have seen enough bank holidays and enough rain for the time being.

Incidentally, I am of course not belle at all, just pretending to be. Just as I never race.

ComeIntoTheGardenMaud Tue 05-Jun-12 21:32:28

Our tent is festooned with beaucoup de bunting. I would love to see Oxeye Gardens with its flags!

More hugs for Jacksmania.

ComeIntoTheGardenMaud Tue 05-Jun-12 21:37:01

LaBelle!

::more clasping::

Photographic evidence, I recall, shows that you are indeed belle, so none of this false modesty. Poor old RacingPig.

We have not done much jubilee-ing. I wish we had tried to organise a street party. Ah well.

beanandspud Tue 05-Jun-12 21:51:17

<< wanders in, collapses under a heap of bunting and Jubilee-related paper tableware, offers wine and waves at everyone>>

Lovely to see you LaBelle!

A good holiday weekend chez Bean. Small party yesterday with friends was lovely and we are still eating leftovers. Village fayre today was good fun and we are all shattered.

Can't believe it's back to 'normal' tomorrow. Have really, really enjoyed this last few days - Small Bean has been a star and we have had so many laughs with him. Fortunately we are on holiday again in three weeks - the diet starts tomorrow!!!

Jacksmania Tue 05-Jun-12 23:24:28

Oh blush I've just realized who LaBelleDame is - idiot emoticon. Lovely to see you smile

teafortwo Wed 06-Jun-12 06:50:29

Tired, tired, tired... And sooooo much to do!!!!! Anyway, happy Wednesday to one and all.

Labelle - Milk made a beautiful book called "my school" for the wriggling one... It had pressed flowers and painting in it too... But we have no idea were it is... In the move it got lost. One day we may find it but until then maybe we can think of a new project for the girls?

Maud - you didn't have a street party?????? Is that legal??????

Scout - thanks for Milk's jubilee badge - she loved it so much that she screamed "yoooooooie yoooooooie " and threw it in the air then had to scramble behind the television to retrieve it... I hasten to add until Milk's uniform arrives said guiding badge is being kept safe in a high up place... grin

JM - here is a comforting herbal tea with a drop of fine Parisian honey in it... smile - how are you feeling today? Xxxx

All - pain au raisins and freshly squeezed orange juice on the side - help yourselves ....

UniS Wed 06-Jun-12 12:53:10

ummm, pain au raisins... marvellous.

Showery, boy needs a run around.... today could get difficult as I have only today to get all jobs for the week done.
See you after teh weekend.
TTFN

Jacksmania Wed 06-Jun-12 20:08:21

Yum - is there any chance of snagging the recipe for pain au raisins? JB has recently discovered he looooooves raisins. And he loves helping me bake. So that would be fun to make together.

Thank you for asking tea - I'm still very sad. At our yoga studio, the 6pm class yesterday was dedicated to my friend. She was a teacher there from the time they opened until about a year ago when she couldn't teach any longer. We lit candles for her after. It was lovely but so very very sad. I feel exhausted. Weighed down by grief. And that's odd to me because I hadn't known her that long, only about two years, and we didn't see each other often. But oh, she had such a light in her. It seems like everyone loved her. Granted, the cynical part of me says that now she's gone, nobody is going to stand up and say "well I found her annoying" grin - but everyone I've talked to is so sad. I've lost grandparents and pets. Never anyone closer than that and no-one who's my age with little children. It's really hard.

Jacksmania Wed 06-Jun-12 20:11:06

Tea, I would love us to think of another project. At the moment all I can think of is 'my animals' as we are a bit overexcited about 7 newly-hatched turkeys and a new rabbit called Blossom. But I suspect that Milk doesn't have the space for quite so many animals. Actually, 'my house' would be good, as we could do photos, a plan .... and mention all the animals. It would be interesting to see someone living somewhere completely different. Photos of the 'view out of my window' might be interesting and contrasting. Are you still at the same email? We could start as soon as this bloody endless half term is finally over. Wriggle is just starting to write, so don't expect too much!

teafortwo Thu 07-Jun-12 06:44:32

Hi Labelle, I don't know... Our place is tiny and we still feel a bit sad about our living arrangements - but following a class trip to the Pompidou Milk is mad about Picasso. Why doesn't Wriggle make a non-fiction book about animals and Milk can make hers about Picasso? smile

Ah, hadn't thought about the 'sad about moving' bit. blush How thoughtless. Yes, let's do nf books (also one of Wriggle's class topics this term). May start today! Pouring with rain again and cold. Are we writing in French or English? As Wriggle has only been writing at all for a few weeks, I think she had better stick to English, or it will be confusing. If Milk would like to write in English too that would be lovely, but we would also be very happy with French. French has declined sharply since school started and I am very conscious that I must do something about it.

teafortwo Thu 07-Jun-12 20:07:10

We'll do Milk's in English... New Jesus boots broke - took them back to the shop and while we were in the shop Milk bent back the shoes she was wearing... Went to Monop to get some play shoes seeing As she can't look after / I can't afford to buy another pair of French sandals but needs something to wear on her feet - they didn't have any in her size and she hit exhaustion.... Anger....paddy in supermarket sad tough evening!!!!!!!! I NEED wine, massage.... and anything-else the tearoom feels like offering!!!! Grrrrrrrrr!!!!!!!!!

CMOTDibbler Thu 07-Jun-12 20:19:17

What size is she Tea ? Maybe Tiddlers sandals from last year would fit ?

Have a wine and love/hugs

Holds out wine

And brew and thanks.

Jacksmania Thu 07-Jun-12 21:37:43

<offers (((((*HUG*)))))>

Jacksmania Thu 07-Jun-12 21:39:15

Hi all. Feeling a bit brighter today. Yesterday was a turning point. Still sad but not as shattered with grief. I don't mean that to sound as melodramatic as it does when I see it written down. blush

<inspects drinks cart>

Isn't there any champagne? What happened to all our bubbly??

CMOTDibbler Thu 07-Jun-12 21:41:37

Well, since you ask grin <whips out bottle of Bolly>

And lets have some cheese and twiglets a la mode

<clasps JM to bosom>

ComeIntoTheGardenMaud Thu 07-Jun-12 22:59:54

::joins in the festival of bosoms, clasping and Bolly::

oxeye Thu 07-Jun-12 23:47:39

love the idea of your girl crossing books, Tea and LaBelle - FWIW I don't think different subjects matter at all!

Poor Racing sad

JM I meant to say a very very very very very dear friend of mine died some time ago when children were very young. I do so know your feelings, it is ok to be pole axed by grief - I felt as if the very axis of my world had slightly shifted so that nothiing looked quite the same and never would return to the old way but it is a truth that time is a healer and the groove of the new world turning while exceedingly painful at first becomes less so as you are more used to it. Never feel bad for grieving. I also think grief is so often a reflection and ponderance of our own anxieties and fears (such as not being around to parent our own children) as much as the loss of the person - all very natural - happy to PM if you want

xx

oxeye Thu 07-Jun-12 23:48:09

also, our street party ended up on the news!! will try to sort out a photo...

Jacksmania Fri 08-Jun-12 02:53:02

(((((*oxeye*))))) How, my dearest, do you always know exactly the right thing to say? thanks

<clasps both oxeye and CMOT to bosom>

More Bolly, anyone?

Jacksmania Fri 08-Jun-12 02:54:34

Tea, I don't know if international shipping would be stupid from here to France, but I do know that you can get girls' shoes very inexpensively at the Outlets in the States. Would you like me to look for her? What would be her US shoe size? And what style does she like?

teafortwo Fri 08-Jun-12 06:15:44

Thank you for all the shoe lovin' and sympathy both here and in and p.ms too xxxx Freshly baked bread and homemade jam for breakfast .... grin to celebrate the loveliness of the tearoom xxxxx

T F I Friday - I can't wait for the weekend !!!!!!

Tea, we have sent a little video for Milk to the email address that we have for you. Don't know if you now have a new one.

What about ebay for shoes? Have got some of Wriggle's on there,.. specially lovely Pomme d'api shoes at a price I can afford.

UniS Fri 08-Jun-12 23:13:24

oxeye!!! your street party hit teh news!, in London? Is this a good thing or because of VER VER Bad things?

BAck in The tea room briefly. have spent last two days dragging cables round a farm yards, barns and fields in pouring rain. Short respite for weekend ( fete, shopping, boy wrangling) then back for more mud and muck on Monday. The things I do for work. Childminder will have accounted for 27% of my earning over last two days :-( Why'd it have to be school hols when I get offered work.

teafortwo Sat 09-Jun-12 10:44:36

Y y - need more info on oxeye being on the news - v cool.

Labelle - we have the video but can't get it to play - I will try in a computer when we get a chance : )

teafortwo Sat 09-Jun-12 10:53:09

In - snort !!! I said in because I was thinking - If The film still doesn't work I will get unis to shrink and send her in the computer to move a few cables - sure to be a drier working environment for her. grin... This could be a good scène for tearoom The Movie ...

mistlethrush Sun 10-Jun-12 23:12:24

Phew, half term over. Its not been easy.

I think that mc has had something on his mind (probably moving up to junior school next year) and as a result he's been completely unfocussed and hasn't been hearing things (I think, probably, because he's not been listening, but possibly due to something to do with his ears....). It has been completely exhausting. Some days on holiday went fine - but generally it took a huge amount of input from me to engage and get him interested and interacting positively. Will be a rest to go back to work.

Looks as if lots of people have had quite a bit on... will read back and catch up properly.

JM - its OK to grieve and it can be peculiar in the way it hits you...

oxeye Mon 11-Jun-12 01:04:05

feeling all end of hols/ back to work/ school itis.

On the one hand gloomy, on the other sneakily looking forward to having a strong coffee in relative peace!

JM so glad to be of help

(((((hugs to all)))))

Jacksmania Mon 11-Jun-12 05:56:29

(((((((((**everyone in the Tea Room**)))))))))

Thank you all for being so lovely this past week. It has helped a lot.
Friend's memorial service is Tuesday. Apparently there's going to be a slide show. I know if I end up crying my eyes out I can count on you lot to help me find them smile

UniS Mon 11-Jun-12 19:39:50

put them on elastic JM, stops them getting trodden on. All teh best ( heres a hand hold to put in your pocket, and a hanky)

UniS Mon 11-Jun-12 20:24:58

this is how wet my day has been. Thank the lord for waterproof dungarees.

This is how wet my garden is.

Jacksmania Mon 11-Jun-12 23:03:01

UniS, that made me <sniffle> a little. So sweet. Thank you.

Sssshhhhhhh... but it's actually sunny and warm today... don't tell anyone!!!

mistlethrush Mon 11-Jun-12 23:05:38

You'd need a hovercraft mower to mow our lawn at the moment.

oxeye Tue 12-Jun-12 00:47:39

am liking the handhold

so wet here that water got under my waterproof leggings and inside my waterproof cycling shoes and everything

thinking of you tomorrow/ today JM

CMOTDibbler Tue 12-Jun-12 10:21:06

<<stuffs backpack with hugs for JM to take today>>

DH ventured to west Wales yesterday to organise rapid repairs/rehousing for flooded people. Long day, but nice that they've got things started right away.

DS has been in tears every day recently about how much he wants a dog hmm. Trouble is, dh and I would like one too.

Wriggle has just asked to have her ears pierced for her 6th birthday. I thought nothing of it - yes, if that's what she really wants - and DH just suggested that she asks her French grandmother for some good quality gold earrings for her birthday. Have just seen that it is apparently a terrible thing to do - at least here in the UK. hmm Do I go with Wriggle or do I worry about what everyone will, it seems, think of me?? Interested in your reactions (as the sort of people where I would mind what you think).

Scout19075 Tue 12-Jun-12 22:40:46

LaBelle, are the Brits saying it's terrible to get her ears pierced to ask her grandmother for earrings?

Scout19075 Tue 12-Jun-12 22:41:53

My friend from school has just become a 38 year old grandmother. <<Faints at the thought.>> But I am thrilled that the baby is here, is healthy and that everyone is well. Shame she's in Canada so there's no chance of getting a new baby cuddle.

mistlethrush Tue 12-Jun-12 23:18:31

Racing - I would be wary - I got mine done aged 14 and was very conscientious with not fiddling, keeping clean etc. Took them out after 8 weeks as instructed - and struggled to get one back in - ended up not following correct route - which ended in a horrid puss filled channel that took weeks to sort - and got some 'normal' rather than thick stalked studs to wear with rolled gold posts. Felt itchy, my mother ended up having a look and found I was reacting to the back of the earings that weren't rolled gold - and she ended up putting in solid gold studs through a pool of blood as the old ones took the top layer of skin off...

So, I would suggest a slightly older age so that she might be more prepared to cope with the potential side effects.

In terms of 'horror' I think this is normally restricted to babies having their ears pierced - not sure that there are quite such strong feelings about older children who are old enough to have asked for it themselves.

UniS Tue 12-Jun-12 23:23:10

Here I THINK a 6 yr old girl with pierced ears would be not the norm. BUT I also think that in some other parts of the world ( and indeed in some parts of UK ) it would be quite normal....

Any implications you need to think about for school? Policy at boys school would be that child should not wear ear rings to school, so any peirceing should be done at start of summer hols. IF ear rings are not removable they must be taped over for school,( not just PE).
I don't think any one in boys class has pierced ears, but a few boy do in older years, at least one ignores the policy and wears a stud to school.

oxeye Wed 13-Jun-12 00:55:54

I have had totally trouble free pierced ears but would second getting good solid gold stud and backs
Our school would not let anyone wear earrings, girls or boys.but it's quite old fashioned. I had to take oxboys nail varnish off at the end of half term wink

I would say go for it, other than school don't think anyone would raise any eyebrows save that they might think Wriggle was from The Continent, which in part she is grin

Thumb may remember there was one girl in our school year with pierced ears from school. She was Spanish and Catholic. I wanted to be her for years

CMOTDibbler Wed 13-Jun-12 08:01:12

I must have had my ears pierced at 6, and never had any problems, even though I very rarely wear earrings now.
DS's school don't allow them to wear earrings either.

Oxeye - tiddler was rocking red white and blue nail varnish at half term. Strangely, this didn't seem to raise as many eyebrows with the neighbours as him calling dh by his first name. Which he doesn't do all the time, but when he did, it started a lot of muttering

mistlethrush Wed 13-Jun-12 09:11:17

Strange - mc often calls DH by his first name - but rarely me.

He's been packed off back to school today - clearly wanted another day off after DH allowing him to watch TV a lot of the day yesterday hmm

Will talk to Wriggle about the implications. There is at least one girl there with earrings; not a very strict school. Not like the one where I teach ... which is a large part of why Wriggle is not with me.

The school she goes to is so lovely that the HT last week cut up Wriggle's fish to pretend it was fish fingers, after she had (mendaciously) claimed only ever to eat fish fingers at home. At my school the HT would have told her off for making a fuss and I would have been Discussed In The Staff Room for my lack of parenting rigor.

Wriggle often calls me by my first name, although not always. She calls DH by his name when she talks about him, and sometimes to him. We don't think it matters, although I know some friends were really upset when their children tried it.

Jacksmania Wed 13-Jun-12 16:39:36

Hmmm... I don't necessarily think 6 is too young for pierced ears. Unless she's the type to roughhouse and have someone pull on them. I really think that some people are prone to problems with earrings and some aren't, and you can't really tell which category someone is going to fall into. You could always try it. At worst, if she has recurrent problems, you'd have to let the holes close up, and try piercing them again at a later age. I know it's not as simple as it sounds, but it would also not be the end of the world.
I think pierced ears on little girls actually look very pretty, as long as they're good quality studs, and not cheap little dangly awful ones.

Thank you all for various hand-holding and hugs yesterday. Memorial service was wonderful and heart-wrenching. I only knew D for such a short time, a couple of years, and only through the yoga studio where I practice and teach. There wasn't time and opportunity to get to know much of the rest of her. And there was so much! Of course there always is, when you only know one aspect of someone. But what a woman she was. What a loss to all of us, and most all of her little girls. They played a slide show at the end, and I'm still undone thinking about it. I've been seeing pictures from it in my sleep and half-awake most of last night. She was so beautiful. Such a smile. And the love for her little girls that showed in the pictures. I'm so glad JB had a restless night so I could bring him in bed with me and hold him close most of the night when I couldn't sleep. It helped a bit.
It's so unfair. She was only three years older than I am. So unfair. Bastard cancer.

And bugger, but I left my rain jacket at the service. Cr*p. And of course (why not) it is bucketing it down today. <sigh> Hopefully I can retrieve it this morning.

<deep breath>
On a brighter note, I gave my mum-in-law some ready-planted flower baskets to put out in front of her house last week. She lives on a gorgeous bit of property but only has the lawn mowed and the brush at the edges kept under control. My green thumbs regularly have twitching fits when I'm there. She saw my hanging baskets and recently and commented that those would be easy to care for. So I got her some planters. She rung up yesterday and asked if it was too late in the season to put in some plants and still get some colour and if she could "hire" me to do so. Ha!!!! Twist my rubber arm. grin
DH likes to say "two things distract my wife, something shiny, and something blooming. Oh, and books." True.
So, something to look forward to.

How's everyone today?

<leaves tea, coffee and various pick-me-ups on the coffee table>

UniS Wed 13-Jun-12 21:07:16

ummmmmm, hot choc as teh sun sets?

Which biscuits would you like?

I have today realised that ist fathers day on sunday !!! arrrggggh. must try and fit some kind of card making activity around all the sport of teh next two evenings.

mistlethrush Wed 13-Jun-12 23:20:52

I'm glad it went well JM - and cuddles are lovely at the right time. Mc seems to be somewhat more still when he sleeps now so it is somewhat less fraught when you do share a bed.

We're lucky in that we don't 'do' father's day in this household. MC understands.

Scout19075 Thu 14-Jun-12 22:07:39

We're going with the PiL on a steam train special Father's Day thing -- cream tea on the train. It means steam train rides three weekends in a row for Toddler -- he will be a VERY happy boy.

UniS Thu 14-Jun-12 23:03:05

happy steaming scout. toodlers gonna think that all trains chuf.

well, I started today thinking I had no work ( apart from school ) till August... by 2pm I had 3 days work lined up for next week... cue rapid phone call to Childminder to see which days she had spaces for afterschool next week.

sweetie? may ai pass you teh choc box, I expect there is peanut butter cup in there somewhere.

beanandspud Thu 14-Jun-12 23:12:39

Sorry, haven't been around for a bit. I am currently 'on tour' with work and it's been a really, really tough week and a different hotel each night which sounds glamourous but is totally draining. Missing Small Bean and Mr Bean and can't wait to be home tomorrow.

Scout - please could we join you on train trip? It sounds like Small Bean's idea of a perfect day!

LaBelleDame - I'm not sure about the ear piercing. I was 13 when I had mine done and I think I was just about old enough to look after them myself. My personal opinion would be that you should only have them done if you can take responsibility for the cleaning etc. Like a lot of these things, only you can decide whether Wriggle is old enough to understand, I'd be tempted to try to leave it a couple of years but that's just me.

I'm glad it went well JM - you know where we are if you have a wobble <<hugs>>

MT - hope you and MC are ok even though half term was tricky, we must try to arrange another meeting?

teafortwo Fri 15-Jun-12 08:18:06

I keep posting and then you can't see it - so ... Let's hope this one gets to the tearoom...

Jm - big hugs and kisses xxx

Belle - I had my ears pierced at 5... Loved it at the time and do not feel damaged in anyway at all. Culturally in France it is seen as pretty chavtastic as in Blighty - but the Portugese and Arabs do it and I am sure if Milk wanted to I would let her... <shrugs>

Bean - Yoooooopie Yoooooopie at being home soon xxx

Unis - Fathers day is happening in our household - Milk has been very pro-active re parents days this year - after about 20 texts she has managed to bribe organise a picnic and swim with her and Beer to celebrate her Dad. She has made something at school to give....

Scout - chooooo chooooo grin

teafortwo Fri 15-Jun-12 08:45:56

Belle - my Mexican friend's girls had their ears pierced at birth - and I found their pierced ears very pretty... Gaaaah I wanna go out and buy some earrings for my holes now!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Yes, when we were in Spain when Wriggle was two, many people took her for a boy as her ears weren't pierced. All girl babies seem to have it done.

Tea, could you open the video???? Wriggle talks about 'my friend who I haven't met' (but actually getting her to write in her book is tricky. We have taken lots and lots and lots of photos!)

UniS Fri 15-Jun-12 20:57:26

FAthers day will happen, but probadly in a low key, Card and a bar of choc kinda way.
Card has been chosen and purchased ( a whole 40p , its a postcard, with a very nice picture. SO nice in fact that I sent the same card to my ma for mothers day and DH has given it to me for anniversary) and is half writen, but then DH came home so boy went off to hide it . I have no idea where ist hidden, hope boy can remember ,

Prospect of a rainy Saturday afternoon here - Father's Day will have a higher profile as we decorate a suprise cake mainly to hide the fact that the cats ate the top in the night (and, oddly, a bowl of boiled broccoli I had forgotten to put in the fridge).

If the rain goes on long enough, we will have home-made card as well.

mistlethrush Sat 16-Jun-12 08:49:37

Lol at the brocolli!

I'm out singing this evening - leaving for reh just after lunch... DH is SO looking forward to having the whole afternoon with mc on his own grinwink

teafortwo Sat 16-Jun-12 09:13:27

Gaaah - Belle- we still can't get film to open - we are going to a party tonight - I will see if I can get a teenager to open it for me - I find them v useful for techie thingies : ) xxx

UniS Sat 16-Jun-12 19:16:25

you have broccoli munching cats??!!! teh mind boggles.

We got as far into rainy afternoon mode today as ; watching road runner cartoons and making fairy cakes.

open gardens tomorrow, we are open for the first time. The garden is not pristine, far to much wind and rain this week for that. But teh kettle will be on and biscuit tin filled, so hopefully a few people will drop by and visit.

Prehaps Mellors will agree to opening the Tea room gardens as well?

Scout19075 Sat 16-Jun-12 19:33:04

The cats eat broccoli?! shock

I have a mother-munching Toddler. angry Hopefully my shout of pain and then stern "You DO NOT bite" was enough to prevent that again. I'm glad it was me and not another child but he left teeth marks and I have to be careful about blood. I am NOT impressed.

teafortwo Sun 17-Jun-12 12:13:51

Yaaaaaaaay - we saw the film last night - it is fab, fab, fab.... grin THANK YOU!!!!!! Xxxx

ComeIntoTheGardenMaud Sun 17-Jun-12 18:13:11

Ouch, Scout!

Sorry I've not been here recently - this fell off my active threads.

I am the worst person to ask about ear piercing, as several times a week I have to put my hands over my ears and sing la la la as The Girl asks if she can have hers pierced. Our stock reply is "not until you're 13". It's bad enough having to deal with verrucas and nits. I can't do infected ears as well.

teafortwo Sun 17-Jun-12 18:51:20

Sorry Scout - I was so busy being excited about the film that I forgot to rub lavender oil into your bite... : ( ouch!!!! Xxxx

Maud - great to see you <hands a champagne cocktail as Mellors slowly removes his shirt in the background...>

mistlethrush Sun 17-Jun-12 19:13:05

We had big tears this morning as mc eventually told us that he was frustrated with play times at school - one lot playfootball and either he's 'not allowed' to play or when he does he never gets the ball (I suggested he should run a bit quicker) then he doesn't want to play 'anything' because there aren't sufficient rules and a third set of friends play tig but one of the group 'always cheats'. Hmmm.... Any suggestions?

This afternoon I took him swimming. I told him that we were going swimming, not for him to play around all the time in the shallow pool particularly as it was busy and I wouldn't be able to swim properly anyway. We had a good hour of decent swimming!

Scout19075 Sun 17-Jun-12 19:53:54

Our Father's Day Steam Engine was broken so the train was pulled by a Diesel one instead. Toddler didn't mind in the least -- "Diesel train diesel train! Ride diesel train!" He had a lovely day. I think so did Toddler's Daddy and Grandpa.

ComeIntoTheGardenMaud Sun 17-Jun-12 20:18:40

Thank you, Tea.

::swigs cocktail::

Mellors taking his shirt off, did you say?

::reaches for opera glasses::

oxeye Mon 18-Jun-12 14:16:09

Mistle - poor old MC we have similar fall between the groups in playground - Oxboy finds football "boring" (and he can't kick the ball) and doesn't like power rangers or moshi or the other "boy" games. He has taken to playing with the girls, he plays house-with-tag-and-dragons as far as I can see - all seems to have worked out

Tea - sounds like the Teenager came Good at the party?

Maud ::clasps to my feeble bosom:: lovely to see you my dear

mistlethrush Mon 18-Jun-12 14:24:45

grin I shall suggest that DS tries to persuade his female friends that they should try 'dragons' rather than 'kittens' which makes MC go envy (tearoom special). Thank you! grin

CMOTDibbler Mon 18-Jun-12 15:11:39

DS plays medieval knights at lunchtime - this is girls and boys, and it seems successful

Yes, I was going to suggest playing with girls. Boys who aren't football-y seem to have a raw deal at play times. I tried to introduce a ban on football one day a week at my school, in the hope that something a bit more creative and inclusive might emerge ... but it was vetoed. Footballing boys seem to have priority. UniS might recognise a book by Diana Wynne Jones set in a school, where they distinguished between the 'real boys' and the 'real girls' and the others. It might be 'Witch Week'.

Donki Mon 18-Jun-12 16:19:14

It's hard sometimes, when your little boy is not getting on with friends/socially - and you can't find a way to fix it. The YD is obsessed with fantasy - playing at transformers, or superheroes, or vikings with pet dragons (as in How to train your...). Football holds no interest. And he finds it hard to play even with like minded friends, since he can't cope if they won't follow his ideas... It is getting to be a wonder that he has any friends left, and those 2 are starting to drift away as the social skills gap widens...

Just got the ASD screening form back from school to take to the CAMHS meeting on Weds., and gosh it is depressing looking at all the stuff they have ticked as a 'major concern'. It's something like 70% of the categories - and most of the rest are 'minor concern'. The only things they are not worried about are his maths, reading and science...

<<Goes and hides in hay pile>>

(Sorry to hijack, MistleThrush - I hope that playing dragons with his female friends works for Mistle Chick)

Jacksmania Mon 18-Jun-12 16:40:40

Good morning all. We had the wettest weekend EVER. Saturday it rained so hard that it sounded like someone was standing outside the window hissing.
I am SO sick of rain and cold.

On the grin side, JB had his very first ever sleepover on Friday night. One of his best little friends from preschool invited him and two other boys (cousins I believe) for a sleepover. I can't believe how well he did! He was a bit upset at bedtime but then cuddled his bear and went to sleep without any problems. Woke up wayyyy early (poor friend who hosted!) but had a wonderful time. smile

How is everyone?

<leaves various sustenances and beverages on the sideboard>

Donki Mon 18-Jun-12 16:42:54

Don't look now! The sun has just come out....

UniS Mon 18-Jun-12 22:00:25

wooohoooo, sunnnnnnnnn.

Our solar water system got the whole tank (250l) up to 57 degrees, hurrah.

I've just spent an hour and half in gareden and green house doing some of teh things I wanted to get done last week. Shame that this week I'm working virtually full time :-( day one over, dull work but pleasant company. tomorrow is different employer, I'm accompanying a bunch of school children to a chess day. back to dull on wed, school kids again on thursday plus gardening then more dull on friday... I'll be ready for the weekend. How do you manage it week in week out Mistle, CMOT et al.

mistlethrush Tue 19-Jun-12 12:15:21

That sounds great UniS!

We're getting a new boiler tomorrow - decided that the number of times we're having to rush downstairs to restart it (requiring steps in place constantly by the boiler) when we want a shower is just ridiculous now and its about 12 years old - hopefully new one will be a bit more efficient.

9 - 5 (well more like 8 - 4.30 some days with some extra tacked on here and there) you just get used to it.... hmm At least my job's varied.

oxeye Tue 19-Jun-12 12:19:18

Donki sorry to hear a about YD CAHMS form - I guess the point to hangon to is they are trying to help and identify things now to assist over the long term? Heavens knows its tough though ::adds some carrots to the hay pile::

feeling unaccountably blue today, not sure why, all seems to be falling through my fingers like trying to hold onto water

I am tempted to answer your question UniS saying "I do it week in week out by failing to be a mother that is there for my boy anything like enough or anything like sufficiently" but it is a bad day

::pops into priest hole::
::pops back out and grabs cut out George Clooney::
::disappears again::

ComeIntoTheGardenMaud Tue 19-Jun-12 13:56:45

Sorry to hear of the glooms, Donki and Oxeye. I've been having similar doubts recently about whether I'm here enough for my child and how I can fix that.

::dives into the priest's hole and wrests Cardboard George from Oxeye's grasp::

Scout19075 Tue 19-Jun-12 17:37:32

I would like to thank the nice teenagers who 1. apologized for swearing in front of me & Toddler and then kept the language clean while we were in earshot and then 2. "played football" with Toddler through the alley from the car park to the High Street and making his afternoon for including him in their play.

I would also like to say to the man on the mobile with two big, excitable black labs at the park that your dogs should have been on a leash and you should have acknowledged me & a very frightened Toddler and had better control of your dogs.

That's all.

oxeye Wed 20-Jun-12 02:36:06

oh Gaud Maud (or Gawd Mawd) have you? And you are around so much

do you think its time or year or age or stage?

....hmmmm

Thumbwitch Wed 20-Jun-12 03:41:35

Hello tearoom ladies! I lost you for a while there. Quite a long while, as it happens.

Hope you are all well and so on!

Can anyone update me in nice précis form to save me reading and promptly forgetting again anyway the entire thread? Has anything major happened to anyone or are you all much as you were last time I saw you?

Things here are plodding along - miniThumb is doing his thing, and apart from suddenly deciding that Daddy's wedding ring would make a good pretend steak, has been fine. The wedding ring episode was very exciting though - choking, calls to Health Direct, ambulance ride to the hospital and an x-ray that I will be saving for his wedding day, ho yes - culminating in 4 days of pooing in the potty until Daddy could find his ring again. Luckily Daddy works for a company that sells gas masks... grin

Am now about 23w pg, have terrible acid reflux most days (horrifyingly, chocolate cake seems to set it off shocksad) and am very tired but lots of movements now so hopefully all is progessing as it should. Am under High Risk ninja MW team at the hospital because of my Advanced Age and clotting condition, and 2 consultants. Yay me! Still, better too many than too few at this stage. I also have agreed to be a case study for a student MW, poor love - she's going to be kept busy with all my appts!

<<hands round lush chocolate cake to everyone else>>

mistlethrush Wed 20-Jun-12 08:40:31

23 weeks is a good one to get under your belt.... every one from there is another in the right direction (or that's what it felt like to me).

I have been very blase about mc's first 'proper' day at big school (they've had visits, including being bussed up from the small site with existing teachers) but today they are in the new school for a proper drop off. I suggested sharing the hell of school drop off with a friend that lives nearby - but she's offered to do both trips (she doesn't work) and have mc to play for a bit after school. I've suggested to mc that he should look after a couple of his friends who will be in the same class who might appreciate someone friendly - in the hope that this will distract him from feeling confused himself. Still feel rather crap at total abandonment though!

<puts out home-made non-allergenic smoothies and warm banana and cinamon muffins for all those feeling a bit blue and grabs one to take to the window seat and sit in the sun while it lasts>

Tuesday seems to be a day for gloom and misery. I have hurt and offended my closest RL friend and lay awake all night worrying about it and thinking wondering how I could have been so stupid. Two large G&T's before bed because I felt so awful didn't help. blush Wriggle now seems to be less and less keen on spending time with me and I feel that I am wasting all the time I do have with her sad.

, this was missing from the above post. Insert where it seems appropriate.

Scout19075 Wed 20-Jun-12 09:53:19

<<Passes around chocolates>>

Scout19075 Wed 20-Jun-12 09:53:35

I'm sorry everyone's feeling so rubbish.

mistlethrush Wed 20-Jun-12 10:48:26

We've got the delights of an 'Olympic story' competition. Involving the Olympic mascots. We have got to the stage where I have helped to sow a few seeds and I was helping to 'rough out' the story line with mc so that he could then elaborate and put lots of description etc in (he's good at that when he puts his mind to it). We do have the problem of writing it out - I've said he could either tell me what to write and we'd get it down then he could write it out or we could share the typing. We were just getting onto the second point of the outline when he sloshed his bottle of water onto my (fairly new) laptop. He did all the right things - call for assistance from DH, fetch kitchen paper etc - but then disolved in cross tears - he was really upset with himself for doing it (even though no actual cross words had been spoken). So that was the end of anything productive yesterday after school.

LBD - what do you do with Wriggle when you have the time - is there anything special that you might do that's just for you and Wriggle - eg I will sometimes take mc to the nearby RHS garden without DH (sometimes go with him - but I'm more interested in the garden side than DH and there's plenty to do for mc too so he's happy to go) - its nice to go somewhere 'special' rather than just the norm and have a little bit of a treat. And make sure that you're not just doing all the run of the mill stuff and DH is getting the 'special' things but none of the chores.

When DH is there, he wants to be involved in everything. He never insists on standards ie if I ask her to lay the table and she whines, he does it, or praises throwing three teaspoons on the table. Playing with Papa would always take priority over reading her reading book with me. Don't mean to moan; it's just how he is, after a very strict and unloving childhood himself. As you say, he does the fun and I do the 'work'. Although I would much much rather do her handwriting than pretend to be a kitten.

mistlethrush Wed 20-Jun-12 13:49:15

Ah - so you're 'bad cop' - not an ideal situation. I think that mc is rather a mummy's boy - but that's not because I don't do the homework etc with him too. Actually its because I do want to spend time with him now, whilst he's still small(ish) - so if I do bedtime most nights and also spend more time with him at the weekend I'm not going to complain - I have to watch it going the other way because when ds is being hard work, DH tends to suggest ways of splitting up so that I am in charge of DS and he's doing something else (admittedly something else that needs doing, but still....) Is there any time when he's not around that you could be good cop too?

mistlethrush Wed 20-Jun-12 13:55:13

Actually - I wonder whether you could call their bluff. If she gets praised for throwing 3 teaspoons on the table, what would happen if you started acting in the same way? Does H know how this makes you feel? I'm presuming he does and does it anyway. What would happen if you don't do the reading with her? What would happen if you played with her rather than get the supper ready? If the answer is that there wouldn't be any supper - shock horror! When would H notice?

I am really lucky, I know, with DH in that we have consistent standards - so if we ask him to do something to help and he asks 'why' the stock answer from both of us is 'because I asked you to'.

I think, to be fair to DH, that he doesn't know what a 5 year old can do. He doesn't work in a school or spend time at the school gate, go to mother and toddler groups, etc. He is just so astonished with the amazing phenomenon that is Wriggle that anything she does is worthy of praise. I probably forget to appreciate her enough. Consistency is getting better, since I nag on and on about it. grin

ComeIntoTheGardenMaud Wed 20-Jun-12 17:49:35

Would saying that indiscriminate praise means nothing - and is hardly any better than no praise at all - resonate with M Serpent? Could he relate that to his own childhood?

CMOTDibbler Wed 20-Jun-12 20:58:04

Hugs all round.

I'm going to have a nice sit down with Mellors and the bolly. Have just had v distressing conversation with my mum where she was talking about killing herself sad Not sure she really knew what she was saying tbh

ComeIntoTheGardenMaud Wed 20-Jun-12 21:15:39

Oh dear, Cmot. Mellors is on hand with a pile of fluffy white towels, some aromatherapy oils and a reassuring smile on his face.

Donki Wed 20-Jun-12 21:59:16

<<Waves>>
Well, been to the CAMHS appointment. They have decided that there are enough boxes ticked to refer the YD for a multidisciplinary assessment.

It's good and bad really. I wish that it wasn't needed. It makes me feel better that it is NOT all me imagining stuff. And of course we now have to join yet another waiting list...

ComeIntoTheGardenMaud Wed 20-Jun-12 22:39:29

I think I've missed some of the background here, Donki, but I'm sure you're right that it is a curate's egg. Nobody welcomes the news that their child has additional needs, but if CAMHS can help meet those needs - or put you on the path to getting those needs met - that has to be good.

::proffers carrot cake and a bracing snifter of carrot brandy::

oxeye Thu 21-Jun-12 00:20:32

Thumb how could I have missed you were 23 weeks and counting! Congratulations, I know how long you have been waiting and hoping, as Mistle said, all downhill now!

CMOT that is bleak, so so sorry sad

Donki at least you have taken the first step to understanding and help?
((((((((((((((((((((hugs)))))))))))))))))))))))))) to all in the T room

Thumbwitch Thu 21-Jun-12 00:36:09

Thank you oxeye smile - probably because I've been MIA for a while!

Donki - agree that it's a bit of a double edged sword - but at least you might be able to access more help for him now.

CMOTD - so sorry that your mum is talking like that, even if she is doing it while confused - horrible to listen to, so sad.

LaBelleDame - sounds like M.Serp is overcompensating for his own shitty childhood. Can't remember - is he having or has he ever had counselling for that? Might benefit him. I agree with Maud that too much praise for trivia becomes somehow unimportant, he needs to work out when it's appropriate and use accordingly. Hard for you though sad

mistlethrush Thu 21-Jun-12 09:26:31

Donki - I would take this as a positive step forward - with the right help in place he's likely to be happier and more successful - and we know from Amber that you can go far notwithstanding having fairly significant issues. Talking of which, I need to go back to the Dr to see whether there is any help for mc as his teacher also has confirmed that we shouldn't let it lie.

After all the wobbles about junior school, mc today said he didn't want to go back to existing school - he wanted to go to Junior school NOW! He has a male teacher who is relatively young, sporty and fun - and class size has dropped too - so I'm hoping that things will go smoothly into next term (<desperately crossing fingers, touching wood etc>)

CMot - I will chase up the ex school 'friend' of mine who is local to see what assistance might be available potentially.

LBD - I think that's a very interesting point put by others - what does he do if she has actually done something really good - if he praises something that's so lack-lustre. We've had to be quite careful of this - because, for instance, re hand writing, mc's is fairly messy - although it's getting quicker. However, quite a few of the (mainly girls in the) class have very neat handwriting. So we have to explain that whilst he's not going to win the prize for the best handwriting, we can still praise him for good hand writing when its good 'for him'. Other things (like arguing) are able to be judged against others much more fairly.

Jacksmania Thu 21-Jun-12 19:33:40

Ugh. I feel like Chicken Little. "The sky is falling!" Dull headache, feel completely exhausted and like my brains have leaked out my ears.

<disappears down the priest hole>

ComeIntoTheGardenMaud Thu 21-Jun-12 19:43:19

::Shuffles up to make room for Jacksmania, as half the tea room is down here now::

Ooof!

Hmm, nothing seems to be going too fantastically for anyone. Could it be something to do with the misplaced Gulf Stream, perhaps, depressing all the energies around? Apart from Thumb, of course, who is imune from that in the Antipodes.

CMOT, I am so sorry. Who is supporting you, absorbing all of this?

Donki, this really should be the first step in the right direction; all positive really. Just maybe requires a mental shift, which takes time and patience.

To everyone who has shared their ideas re indescriminate praise, Wriggle actually feels that she is 'rubbish' at everything, particularly the academic. This certainly shows that too much praise does not instill self confidence. Admittedly, she is 'behind' in academic areas, even compared with the children in her year group. Partly, I feel, because she is so bloody pig headed that she will only do things her way (now I will feel really guilty when she is diagnosed with SN and gets lots of help and sympathy).

MT, what are they suggesting about MC?

Now, on a slightly more cheerful note, I hope, what ideas have you got for Wriggle's chosen 'Butterflies and Beetles' party at home next month? Apart from praying for sun, since our house is far too small for her wish list of 13 chldren and their possible parents?

Oxeye, what plans has Oxboy for next month?

Maud ::clasps to bosom, along with JM::

CMOTDibbler Thu 21-Jun-12 20:08:46

It does seem like we all need a pyjama party in the priests hole - snuggle under the duvets with hot water bottles, hot choc, and something to cuddle. Mellors ! Get over here now grin

Its so lovely to come here. I feel grim, depressed and manky today, and my boss is being a pita. I have a day off tomorrow, when I will be calling my dad to talk about mum while she's out. Hopefully relaxing a bit too.
On Saturday I'm doing a dressage competition then going to a wedding at Warwick Castle

Scout19075 Thu 21-Jun-12 20:14:58

<<Dons facemask and jumps into the priest hole>> Budge up, ladies. I am poorly and feeling sorry for myself.

<<Scrounges for some cold & flu medicine so I can breathe enough to go to sleep>>

CMOTDibbler Thu 21-Jun-12 20:26:15

<dispenses Karvol and hands Mellors the Vicks> Have a hot toddy Scout - it will cheer you and make the cold feel better

ComeIntoTheGardenMaud Thu 21-Jun-12 20:26:17

::Breaks off from general bosom-claspage to slip into her designer PJs and smiles winningly at Mellors::

Would Wriggle and her friends like to play Beetle, do you think, for a bit of 60s/70s retro cool? Something we sometimes do at Brownies is a treasure hunt, where they have to find shapes and colours to cover a picture - we usually do (say) the Brownie badge but you could give each child a line drawing of a butterfly or beetle and they could fill in with flower petals and other lovely things from the garden.

::Hopes that there aren't too many small animal skeletons lurking under the hedge::

Do you really think that Wriggle may have additional needs, LaBelleDame? Has her English caught up now or could some of this be about communication difficulties?

Scout19075 Thu 21-Jun-12 20:36:26

I try not to competitive parent/brag/show off my child/whatever, but seeing as we're all a bit [blurgh] this might cheer everyone up.

Toddler is almost 2.8. Thursday is swimming day. We still swim with Toddler's best friend who is three weeks younger than him. I take FriendOfToddler to the changing rooms before class while my friend (little girl's mum) takes her son to the crèche then she comes down and gets her Toddler into her suit (though I usually start getting her clothes off before she comes down since it's easy to change Toddler and I go in my swimsuit).

We got to the leisure center first today and I was holding TS (we were singing silly songs and watching the traffic & traffic lights which is a distance away as there's green space between the road and the center). I saw my friend crossing the road with her double buggy and pointed in her direction. She waved and Toddler practically leapt from my arms shouting "FriendOfToddler'sName! Hello! Hello! Hello!" and took off running across the front of the leisure center to greet her. He then stood in front of the buggy waiting for his friend to climb out, jumping up and down in his excitement. They then ran off to the entrance and stood waiting for us, their slow-poke mums. Once inside they held hands and chatted all the way to the changing rooms and into a room they choose.

It was so darn cute! They are so lovely together. It is nice to watch their friendship develop and blossom. They are toddlers and do toddler things but they chase each other, want to be where the other is/do what the other is doing/eat what the other eats. It's just lovely.

[heart]

Scout19075 Thu 21-Jun-12 20:42:12

LaBelle, how about butterfly mobiles?

CMOT, how are you?

JM, been thinking about you. How's the chocolate supply?

Maud, please tell Girl that FanFare is now not just a castle but also a train station where passengers board from. grin

In a twist of irony (?) MrScout is at a Guiding event while I'm at home. Two more Seniors meetings left for me.

Yes, toddler friends are lovely. smile Gets less easy as they get older - make the most of it!

Give me a few more details about the treasure hunt, Maud.

ComeIntoTheGardenMaud Thu 21-Jun-12 20:46:09

That is indeed cute, Scout. I'll be posting you another badge tomorrow and have just been sewing my new treasures onto my blanket.

::sore fingers::

Cmot - Do you ever go on the Elderly parents topic? i think I may start.

CMOTDibbler Thu 21-Jun-12 20:50:21

Aw, thats lovely. Ds's best friend and he have been inseperable since baby room at nursery, and they skip along holding hands chattering. When they sleep over together, they cuddle up in the same bed and look like little angels. Then they wake up and plot new adventures !

Just had an email, could I do a web meeting for a site in Hawaii. I have asked why I can't just pop over to see them. I haven't made it there yet as trips are v competitive

Scout19075 Thu 21-Jun-12 20:51:24

Oooohhhh, Hawaii is lovely. Very humid this time of year, though.

Scout19075 Thu 21-Jun-12 20:52:49

I am hoping that Toddler and his friend remain friends even though they'll end up going down different educational routes. Her mother even refers to Toddler as "T's best friend" to her other friends/family. Awwww.

CMOTDibbler Thu 21-Jun-12 20:54:51

X posts !
The elderly parents board is great Maud - lovely to be able to talk to others going through the same things, esp as in RL people who aren't don't want to consider the possibilities.

Decorate a mug with butterfly/bug design LaBelle ? I got mugs and pens from Yellow Moon and they were quite cheap and look lovely.

Off to look for yellow moon and elderly parents topic.

CMOTDibbler Thu 21-Jun-12 21:08:54
UniS Thu 21-Jun-12 21:34:43

evening all. ah ha. I see pyjamas are de-rigour. excuse me a minute.

ComeIntoTheGardenMaud Thu 21-Jun-12 21:37:28

We did some Baker Ross ribbon-weaving at Brownies and, frankly, they were a bit rubbish. The Brownies -all of whom are a lot older than Wriggle - found the weaving quite fiddly and the foam shapes were prone to splitting, so that the slots through which the ribbon had to be threaded disintegrated.

How about these?

I've started a thread on Elderly Parents.

UniS Thu 21-Jun-12 21:59:36

butterfly ballon hats...
modelling balloon butterfly wings.

pin the nose on the beetle.
build a beetle game

bug jelly sweets in flour, pick out with teeth only ( hands behind back)
worm charming on the lawn.

so- do you like the new PJs?? UniS does a twhirl .. oh I give up, I've just tried 6 different ways of spelling that word and none of them look right. UNiS spins around. Boys spelling lists form school are getting to my limit of ability. this is not good. I try and get DH to practise spellings with boy. I put them all on the fridge in magnetic letters ( with teh book open beside me).

budge up and make room for another round the edible camp fire would you?

UniS Thu 21-Jun-12 22:10:00

been another wet day here.

ComeIntoTheGardenMaud Thu 21-Jun-12 22:10:28

Very nice PJs, Unis, you glamour puss.

beanandspud Thu 21-Jun-12 22:10:37

<<Hides in CMOT's suitcase in preparation for trip to Hawaii>>

<<Sends wine, brew and biscuit down to priest hole along with magical cold remedies, sympathy, blankets and a change of fluffy jim-jams>>

UniS Thu 21-Jun-12 23:02:37

<<tucks a lei garland into CMOTs suitcase>>

Thumbwitch Fri 22-Jun-12 02:06:58

Hope the pyjama party is going well down in that Priest Hole - might just join you as it's only 11am and my energy reserves have just bottomed out completely!

Was just looking for "grown your own butterfly" things on amazon, but they're quite expensive (a good thing I suppose since we're talking about real live butterfly chyrsalis/caterpillars) so not such a good plan for the party.

Was also going to suggest a game of Beetle, pin the head on a ladybird, or some such. You can maybe make butterfly cakes? or decorate your own <squirm> cupcake to make a ladybird/beetle, prize for the best one?

LaBelleDame - perhaps Wriggle sees through the constant praise and has a negative attitude to it too? Don't know. Sounds like she is very hard on herself sometimes. sad

CMOTD - hope you get to go to Hawaii rather than just electronically meet there! It's been on my list since watching Magnum PI forever!

Scout - very cute - I love that stage! hope your stuffiness has eased. Have some eucalyptus oil to burn - that will help smile

Right, I'm off for a lie-down - can't believe how knackered I feel! blush

butterfly ballon hats... How do I make these??

Game of beetle excellent idea, as is decorate your own fairy cake (cup cake?).

I like the idea of grow your own butterfly, but they are expensive, as you say, so I am waiting for the cabbage white caterpillars so that we can make our own kit - maybe I could put them in party bags grin. A few years ago I would have said that we would go out into the field behind the house and collect small tortoiseshell or peacock caterpillars, but I hardly see them now sad.

Off to download The Ugly Bug's Ball for musical statues.

And Thumb, what a lovely reason to feel tired. I so enjoyed long naps, feeling really excited and important.

Thumb, if you're about, any idea of a good oil to burn for someone who feels 'half asleep' all the time, and rather frightened? I thought frankinsence for calm, but is there anything else?

mistlethrush Fri 22-Jun-12 10:41:09

(((LBD))) and CMOT - and here's some honey and lemon Scout. Anyone else?

Butterflys - I was also going to suggest getting them to make their own butterfly (fairy) cakes - cut the top off, buttercream and use top in two halves to make the wings - and then make sure that they eat them for tea.

I have also done decorated biscuits - that went down very well at a party - we have got a butterfly cutter (decent size) so this would work well if you premade the biscuits and got them to add icing and sprinkles / sweets etc - then that goes in party bag.

Butterfly masks would be quite easy to make. Might even be able to get something useful at one of those big craft warehouse things... Perhaps even decorate a little book with butterfly and insect shapes (again for party bag). I think that you might be able to make paper butterflys with oldfashioned peg bodies that would flap their wings.

When I was little I had hunt the wool games - you could make it hunt the worm - bundles of wool of different colours in short lengths were hidden (around the garden if it was nice) - you were only allowed one piece of each colour - and the winner was the one with the longest length when you put each piece end to end (with any duplicates removed)

Butterfly birthday cakes are pretty simple as you make a decent sized round cake, cut a narrow strip from the centre (the body) then turn the remaining nearly halves round 180 degrees so that the round bit is next to the rectangular body - to make the wings. Smarties make good decoration on top of buttercream. Alternatively the book I have with party cakes has a lovely ladybird which I could get to you.

Re accademic things - mc slipped significantly at around this age - he was below average in everything but maths where he was average - if he concentrated. However, a different teacher has completely changed that and this year he has thrived - hopefully it will be similar for Wriggle and that if she gets the right teacher they will suddenly 'get through' to her, a light bulb will go ping and she'll be off. Perhaps you might get darling daddy to do some fun things that might help - so that he won't feel that he's doing anything that she won't like and she finds that she's doing fun things that still involve words or numbers? Even last year, when reading a school book was an endurance that mc hated and we didn't enjoy having to do with him, as soon as we read a non-school book with him it was a different kettle of fish altogether.

beanandspud Fri 22-Jun-12 10:44:18

Labelledame What about something like this instead of a party bag? You could just tie some sweets to the handle.

Raining again here today sad. Would anyone like a brew and some homemade flapjack?

mistlethrush Fri 22-Jun-12 10:47:05

(sorry that was a bit long blush)

BTW, I can entirely get the 'rubbish at everything' as mc gets exactly like that. We have to be really realistic with him and not praise him indiscrimately, because he sees straight through that and doesn't believe it. For instance - his writing is not neat - but when he tries really hard we praise it and say how well he's done and that its much neater - we don't suggest its the best in the class because it clearly isn't. However, the point is that he's tried hard and improved it significantly and that's the important thing. He's now getting this - I think he would have struggled when he was 5 though. But it is worth pointing out that everyone has different strengths and weaknesses - and even that not everyone might have found what their strengths are at this stage. The paralympic cyclist on the GB team is a good example - she only started cycling when she couldn't swim because she was ill - then she started winning cycling races.

Donki Fri 22-Jun-12 11:00:20

Good post MT!

I always try to be careful how I praise the YD (and kids at school) - I target effort, or am really specific about what was good, so that they know I really mean it. Of course, I get it wrong sometimes... but am improving with practice!

The YD went through a phase when he said he was rubbish at everything - but with a different teachers had made much better progress - and has much more confidence in his ability. He is also starting to understand the importance of effort and practice... (but always wants to play now, practice later...)

mistlethrush Fri 22-Jun-12 11:05:32

Donki... funny that... just what mc says too. [we really must sort out another meet up and perhaps visit round the farm this time]

Thumbwitch Fri 22-Jun-12 11:09:08

LaBelleDame - for calming, soothing and uplifting I'd go for roman chamomile and a citrus, probably either mandarin or neroli (orange blossom). Frankincense is a good addition too. Roman chamomile and neroli are very strong, mandarin is very weak in intensity, frankincense and other citrus are in the middle - so I'd use them in a drops ratio of:
RC 1: Mandarin 10: Frankincense 4; or
RC 1: Neroli 1: Frankincense 4.
Any other citrus, use 4 drops in the same ratios. Or you could use ginger instead of the frankincense - that's also a 4 drop (ginger is also calming, soothing and warming).
It's better to stick to a max of 3 oils in any mix, and these would be used in either 30ml of base oil (for use on the skin) or in the water for an oil burner.

Donki Fri 22-Jun-12 11:18:25

Ooops! Sorry CMOT
<<Climbs out of suitcase>>

I didn't mean to take you over your baggage allowance.

It was pretty crowded in there though, with everyone else! grin

Thanks for all the ideas about Wriggle. she has got the same teacher for the next three years, but she is a lovely teacher; very young (=cheap) and with a large class with some difficult children, so the actual education will, I think, be down to me. School is about gaining confidence and having friends (IMO).

Also, I think they ARE TOO YOUNG. Which is why it all comes together in a year or so.

M.Belle (M. Beau?) can't really do much about school work as he doesn't know how to do handwriting - his is foreign and very different and anyway he always uses capitals - and he gets the sounds wrong in phonics (he speaks very good English but with a strong accent). We don't do learning to read in French at the moment - too confusing.

Actually, M.B. is being very very nice right now, nicer than about the first week or so after Wriggle was born. ::whispers in case this boon provokes Someone Up There and gets removed:: He actually asked me if I was OK.

I am about to buy oils; thanks, Thumb.

Love the umbrella, Bean, but couldn't afford 14. This has to be a Party On a Shoestring.

mistlethrush Fri 22-Jun-12 12:54:07

LBD - definitely decorating biscuits then - I also did a flower and the combination of the 2 took quite a good amount of time to achieve. And sorted the party bag. If they decorate their own bun - you won't have to grin

I would also do your own butterfly masks (stiff paper, cut your own shape out and staple on some elastic, or even wool either side to tie) and get half of them decorating a mask in one room and half decorating biscuits and cakes in the other.

We've also done DIY pizzas - make dough, put on small grease proof paper bits with name on, dolloped a bit of tomato sauce on and then had bowls of toppings to chose from. This way you get to look to be 'amazing' in the kitchen by other parents (and the children) and the children all sit down and eat something that's actually not too bad for them quite happily.

Yes, definitely biscuits for the party bags. And home-made masks. I hate party bags and vowed never to do them ... but now all Wriggle's friends have them at their parties - the last one must have cost about £7-8 per child as they were contained in a Gruffalo pencil box. So she won't want to be the-only-child-who-doesn't-have-party-bags and end up feeling left out.

Scout19075 Fri 22-Jun-12 14:21:17

Gruffalo pencil boxes in a party bag?! shock

Just curious, at what age did everyone start having friend parties for their DC?

mistlethrush Fri 22-Jun-12 14:39:08

mc had 3 people to his 3rd, then nursery class to 4th etc ...

Wriggle is now in reception and this is the first party where she has chosen the guests, rather than just a get together of friends of the whole family.

Not only Gruffalo pencil tins, but large Gruffalo pencil tins. And a lot of other stuff.

mistlethrush Fri 22-Jun-12 15:39:45

One of DS's 'friends' had the temerity to complain that there was no toy in the party bag in Yr 1 (it only had edible things and a balloon in). I told him that I thought his parents would be very pleased. grin

Thumbwitch Fri 22-Jun-12 16:46:00

I had a family party with a couple of friends as well for miniThumb for his 4th birthday, and that involved party bags. With the cousins and friends, I think there were 9 bag all in - they had a balloon, a silly little toy, and a few sweets, iirc. I don't like them either but they're pretty much standard here.

What is also upsettingly common here, from my POV, is the piñata. I don't like when they are in the shape of animals, which they so often are, which are then bashed with sticks until they break. The whole thing just makes me feel quite bad - MIL offered to make one for miniThumb's 5th birthday and I had to say no, I just can't stand them. She understood once I'd explained but I think she still thinks I'm being a bit daft!

CMOTDibbler Fri 22-Jun-12 18:00:46

DS had just us for birthday 1 and 2, then softplay parties for 3 and 4 with children from nursery.

beanandspud Fri 22-Jun-12 18:39:46

Small Bean had a 'party' at home with a few little friends for his first and second birthdays. For his third we didn't have a party just went out for the day the three of us which was lovely.

This year it was a soft play party with the much hated party bags. I would have liked to make a stand and not have them but I'm too much of a wuss to go against the norm and no matter what the parents think the kids seem to love them. I am always a bit shock when I read on mn about some of these children's parties though.

UniS Fri 22-Jun-12 23:07:23

Birthday parties.
1st - family tea party
2nd - can't remember
3rd- joint with a friend- hired village hall and toddler group toys, invited parents and kids, lovely afternoon was had by all- noisy party bags with party hooters, bit of cake and a balloon.
4th - 5 friends ( plus small sibs) to soft play, cake and squash. no party bags. Parents stayed for coffee/ tea and because of small sibs.
5th - joint with friend, hired village hall, kids disco, and tea. no party bags, kids went home with cake and a balloon. Most parents drop n run.
6th - activity outing for 6 children. cafe lunch- no cake. party bag to take home with biscuits*, sweets* and moshi cards. * dairy free to allow for 2 of kids being dairy intolerant. Only one parent stayed and he helped with activity.

Think we have covered most options now... I'm neither for nor against modest party bags. This years were a bit more expensive (moshi cards), but replaced a birthday cake as that was impractical on the outing.

May UniS have a small proud mummy moment. ..
Boy is a free reader. age 6.3 and in year 1.

Scout19075 Sat 23-Jun-12 07:02:47

YAY! for UniS's Boy! Well done!

For Toddler's birthdays we've just had cake (and sometimes an afternoon "tea" of sandwiches, salads, etc) for the family (and Godfather & his wife) down at my in-laws. I'm contemplating doing a non-party party at the soft play during their "coffee afternoon" and paying for all of the kids (there would only be about six to eight and with the coffee afternoon rate would be cheap (like £10 cheap)) and taking some cupcakes. The parents would stay but they normally do at the soft play anyway as it's a chance to chat. But I was feeling mean for thinking he didn't really need a proper party for a third birthday.

LeBelle, how about pet rock bugs to make & take? Just find stones from outside and the kids paint them to look like bugs. Instant paperweight/friend.

I've agreed to go and help set the Guides wet weather shelter (marquee) up this morning for the village flower festival. Why oh why did I answer the last minute plea with a positive squeak?!

mistlethrush Sat 23-Jun-12 08:25:33

Hurrah for boy UniS!

ComeIntoTheGardenMaud Sat 23-Jun-12 10:28:40

Because, Scout, you are a good and kind person.

Well done to Boy. That's very good going indeed.

The Girl's first couple of parties were really NCT meet-ups. Then we graduated onto games, cake and craft parties in the church hall, and now were at the cinema party/pizza party/sleepover stage.

Scout19075 Sat 23-Jun-12 10:43:00

blush Thanks Maud. Normally I wouldn't question myself but with my cold/cough/sinus headache I did think spending an hour pegging down a marquee was a silly thing to agree to. But I did it and then stayed to help put up other gazabos and the like that didn't belong to anyone putting them up so no one knew the right way to do it and the bags were missing pegs and guy ropes and such. Ahhh, the things we do to help our friends!

Thumbwitch Sat 23-Jun-12 11:09:21

Well done to Boy, UniS! I admit I'm not entirely sure what a "free reader" is, but I assume it means he can read something through without help?

Scout, I love the stone bug idea! That's great. What sort of paints would you use? Enamel? Gloss? Craft paints? <<files the idea away for future use>>
Hope the tent-erecting helped clear your sinuses a bit anyway. smile

Meant to say that for miniThumb's 3rd birthday, we had a party-in-the-park thing for him and his best friend, who is 1 day younger than him. So we just all met up in the playpark with a bit of a picnic, everyone brought their own food but we brought cakes to share and party bags.
His 2nd birthday was just a family trip to the zoo as we didn't really know anyone, having only been here 4m by then;
and his 1st birthday was his cousins and my BF's DS round for a small teaparty at our house, with another friend doing the entertainment as she was just setting up in that business and needed the practice! She did puppets, musical instruments and animal balloons and it was fun - miniThumb just spent most of the time following the others around! grin

Stone bugs is a great idea! I would just use ordinary poster paints - non toxic and washable. I love things that you don't have to keep for ever. Stones could one day be released into the garden and blend back into nature.

UniS Sat 23-Jun-12 20:02:28

At boys school, free reader means, you have finished reading colour banded books( after white/ grey /lime) . For the rest of this year at least his books will still be chosen by the Class TA, next year ( Y2) he may have a bit more choice from a range in the classroom.

stone bugs sounds like a neat idea.
balloon butterfly how to vid.

Donki Sat 23-Jun-12 20:12:48

Parties
YD 1 - family
YD 2 - family, and a few friends from the postnatal group who all had children the same age.
YD 3 - A few friends from toddlers.
YD 4 - This was when people started inviting the whole class, usually to soft play... I stubbornly stuck to our house, but as the YD's birthday is v. close to Christmas, we invited everyone and only had about 8 people come, so 'twas manageable. Party-bags. We made a christmas decoration each. Plus food.
YD 5 - I think was still at our house. Everyone was still inviting the whole class - but as previous year, we only ended up with a few because of the date.
YD 6 - gave in and went to soft play - but there were only about 10 kids
YD 7 - Film, then games/tea at our house. (A few friends)
YD 8 - Crazy golf/soft play for a few friends
YD 9 - Games at our house (the YD's request) for a few friends.

Well done! to Uniboy!

Survived school fair today - we had moved everything into the gym, but it ended up being mostly dry, if windy. I think it was much pleasanter inside with the wind and the grey skies. I had to use my very rusty BSL today as two coach loads of old pupils came (they had organised a reunion). Most of them were signing away at a rate of knots. Made me think.... we are an oral school, and the staff and students do not sign in school, and much time and effort is put into developing the listening and speaking skills of students. Although no-one is silly enough to stop them signing at lunch or in the evenings....

Donki Sun 24-Jun-12 08:53:32

Joke for the older geeks amongst us...

After Noah's voyage on The Ark was over, he told all the animals to "go forth and multiply".

They all scooted off, except for two snakes. He looked at them and said "I told you to go forth and multiply".

They said "we can't - we're adders.".

Noah scratched his head for a bit, and then ran off and collected some driftwood, came back, grabbed his tools, worked for a while, and then said to the snakes, "here, have this".

They said "what for?".

Noah said, "it's a log table. Now you adders can go forth and multiply!".

Scout19075 Sun 24-Jun-12 08:55:32

I think Toddler has caught my cold. <<sobs>> At least (and please excuse my grossness) his nose is flowing. Mine never did/still isn't which means, at least for me, it went straight to a sinus infection. <<Sobs>> Unfortunately I haven't had it long enough for the doctors to do anything (I was always told 7-10 days after the start of the cold).

I did not sleep well MrScout kept stealing the covers and Toddler was not in bed until going on 9:30 (thought he'd sleep in the car but didn't) and was still up at 6:00 so I see mid/late morning naps for the two of us.

Scout19075 Sun 24-Jun-12 08:56:25

<<Sniggers at Donki>>

Morning!

Thumbwitch Sun 24-Jun-12 11:15:37

Bad day. Got woken at silly o'clock this morning by police, telling us that bastards had stolen our car, hit a telegraph pole, and it had caught fire and burnt out. Not DH's company car, oh no, our own family car. With the car seat in it. Joy.
So today has been a race to find a new car, and to buy a new seat for MiniThumb - we had to borrow the one that MIL has to take him with us. What fun - not!

The police told us that witnesses saw one of the perps dragging another from the car before it caught fire - we're hoping it's serious. Pics of car on my FB if anyone wants to look.

Hope TS doesn't get bunged sinuses, that wouldn't be any fun at all.

Like the "old" joke, Donki! grin

beanandspud Sun 24-Jun-12 14:10:41

grin at Donki's joke.

[old gimmer emoticon]

Scout19075 Sun 24-Jun-12 16:24:56

Thumb, for back of a better phrase, that sucks rocks big time. Have seen the pictures (before I saw your post here). shock

Fingers crossed Toddler's colds usually last a few days and just flow and flow until they suddenly stop. He doesn't sound full of cold but he is. Me, I sound full of cold.

After a trip to Sainbury's and MrScout buying some Lego (free-building brick, not a kit), my boys have just built a windmill. Toddler is over-the-moon.

UniS Sun 24-Jun-12 19:50:13

lol at adder joke. thank you.

I'm wading through old CDs I've not listened to for ages. currently on the blade runner score CD- most mellow and yet spine tingling in places.

UniS Sun 24-Jun-12 19:50:37

BUM about teh car Thumb, how vexing.

Wriggle had a temperature yesterday and was lovely - so calm and cuddly, not jumping about yelling singing, leaping off cupboards and, if all other activity palls, just spinning round in circles. We did colouring together; the sort of thing I had imagined doing with my child. Would I be a very bad mother if I tried to keep her just a little bit ill? blush

ComeIntoTheGardenMaud Sun 24-Jun-12 20:38:27

Only you can answer that, LaBelleDame. How long until the butterflies and beetles party?

Middle of July. Need to start actually planning, not vaguely thinking.

oxeye Mon 25-Jun-12 00:23:02

sorry to miss flurry of posts, but cosy here in the Priest hole, non?
Parties:
Oxboy 1 - family
Oxboy 2 - all local toddler friends
Oxboy 3 - local friends and nursery added a couple
Oxboy 4 - same
Oxboy 5 - whole reception class and some old local friends

all have been at home and numbered in kids about 18 - 20 for last couple of years

This year at home but children bigger and not all parents to stay so just invited whole class and other friends from school - local friends not at school I didn't invite - that's only about 4 but I felt a bit mean

anyway, party coming up soon and have 14 possibly 16 children.
party bags made from yellow moon
I do prizes for some games that go into party bag so bag has sticker book only to start with
wild party games
probably all the kids and parents think its lame but Oxboy and I are excited!

oxeye Mon 25-Jun-12 00:26:59

Thumb that's really bad about car, poor you but I hope the guy wasn't hurt in the accident

LBD - I would do for party: yellow moon do great craft things - scratch off bookmarks/ shapes I think there are bug/ butterfly ones work out about 30p each and really good fun

also love paint the stone/ go on a bug hunt - give kids cheapo magnifying glasses and send them out with nets or pad and pen to draw - no killing allowed

or give them big sheets of paper and two teams and they must draw a collective thing?

then just theme games - pin the antennae on the butterfly/ blind butterfly catch (blind man's buff) musical bumps running to stand on a butterfly picture/ make butterfly wings - draw them on cardboard first and then just paint in?/ decorate butterfly biscuits/ do a butterfly hunt/ treasure hunt in the garden/ ooo lots of things... I like a party me grin

oxeye Mon 25-Jun-12 00:27:59

unis that is great. I haven't heard of a free reader so although year 1 Oxboy can't be there yet, he's still working through the number readers

scout, toddler sounds lovely at the mo, hope his cold goes soon

Scout19075 Mon 25-Jun-12 07:22:21

Toddler is a leaking mess. Poor thing.

Thumbwitch Mon 25-Jun-12 08:55:14

oxeye - you're too kind. We're rather hoping they were badly enough hurt that they need hospital treatment - that gives the police a better chance of catching them. We know one had to be dragged from the car by the other after the crash, don't know why.

Anyway - we have a new car in the offing. 2 days of narrow searching (we knew what we wanted and only 4 were worth looking at) and DH put in an offer on the best one today, and it was accepted tonight. A few issues with it - it only comes with one key, so we need to spend out $400-500 dollars for a new one (just not worth trying to cope with one) and it is due a service but apart from that, a good car. Picking it up tomorrow afternoon - hurrah!

Scout - poor toddler. sad

Donki Mon 25-Jun-12 09:23:32

<<Waves and yawns>>

That was an early start! We went to see the Olympic Torch outside Leeds Town Hall this morning as it set off for today. We had tickets for Temple Newsam, which by all accounts was excellent, but the YD wanted to get close to the torch - so we thought that this morning was a better bet. He was really chuffed - right at the front, and it was spectacular as they launched golden ribbons into the air as the first runner set off, after a concert by the Leeds Youth Orchestra.

The YD then wanted pictures printed in time for school - but I couldn't get the printer to work at first blush - had forgotten to switch over the usb cables so that it was plugged into the router...

'twas touch and go, but we got to school in time.

Donki Mon 25-Jun-12 09:24:10

(I suppose it makes a change from forgetting to switch it on...)

mistlethrush Mon 25-Jun-12 09:31:39

Sorry to hear about your car Thumb - that's a real pain - but glad you've found one to buy.

Scout - hope he's better soon.

Busy weekend - School fun day - including choir singing - mc sang beautifully (he had a solo verse to sing) and full of confidence. Picked up lots of 2nd hand uniform too as I don't want to spend £45 on a new rugby shirt for him to grow out of (and have had 2 recommended too so that would have been £90). Then down to London to make journey to Suffolk for DH's grandmother's 90th celebrations. MC was fantastic when there - could not have asked for better behaviour, and he played wonderfully with his little 2nd cousin. Long journey home though as there was a road closure so an hour long diversion.

Donki Mon 25-Jun-12 09:40:21

That sounds like a memorable weekend - for good reasons!

I'm glad that you have found a new car so quickly MT.

beanandspud Mon 25-Jun-12 12:13:46

Good morning!

Sorry to hear about your car TW - just the sort of thing you can do without.

Donki/MT - sounds like good weekends had by all. We are going to see the torch tomorrow so I'm looking forward to a 'cheeky day off' with Small Bean. We had a chance to see the torch yesterday - have put a photo on my profile for a short while of Small Bean who was just so proud to hold it!

Scout - hope that poor TS is feeling better soon.

UniS Mon 25-Jun-12 19:17:43

Thanks Oxeye. I think DS's school make a bit of fuss about them becoming free readers so its something teh kids aspire to. one or two were free readers B4 end of year R but most will get there in year 2 or 3, so boy is one of the first boys in his class. he's very chuffed.
At his school it means they have gone beyond ORT level 11 or 12 . Other schools may do things differently. He will remain in a guided reading group and will still have a "school book" sent home for rest of teh year.

Busy day today, but survived it. jus ta meeting about the fire show script to go to now.

mistlethrush Mon 25-Jun-12 20:41:33

That's really good UniS!

I'm not really very sure what level Ds is reading at - because he reads much more difficult books to himself than he gets given at school...

ComeIntoTheGardenMaud Mon 25-Jun-12 22:08:08

I am a Dreadful Mother because I have no recollection of when The Girl became a free reader. Must have been when she was reading Proust at the age of 6.

Scout19075 Mon 25-Jun-12 23:03:05

Toddler's a free reader -- he looks at the pictures and tells me the story. grin And if it's a favorite book he can tell me the right words on the right pages but I have do not believe he can read but has a good start on pre-reading skills. I do, however, wonder if he can sight-read please, thank you, Daddy and Daddy's name/email address. When I was in A&E the other weekend Toddler read a sign as "Please chatter-chatter-chatter Thank You" and the sign said "Please wait behind this sign. Thank you." We didn't tell him what the sign said. He will also tell me if there's an unread email from MrScout in my inbox. hmm

ComeIntoTheGardenMaud Mon 25-Jun-12 23:09:28

He may well be recognising certain familiar words, Scout. When The Girl was that age, she always knew which supermarket we were going to because she could (literally) recognise the signs!

Scout19075 Mon 25-Jun-12 23:17:08

Oh yes, Toddler knows the two supermarkets we most frequent (even ones that aren't our usual ones) and he knows a certain coffee chain. blush

oxeye Mon 25-Jun-12 23:18:24

Oxboy still does the recognition thing - he pointed out an "olympic car" this morning - turns out it was an Audi - he mistook the rings for the olympic sign grin

Thumb you see while I am totally sympathetic to you re the car I can't help thinking teh car is only a thing, and annoying and horrid as it is, the chaps in the car are someone's son and were once gazed at as tiny babies full of hope and chance - I'm such a sook these days....

and I was worrying about your Pinata Phobia - we're having one where you pull strings, and its a disney shape so no whacking the donkey which I agree is a bit brutal and against all the "we don't hit we love" mantras I trot out in my hippy way (see above)

the only pinata whacking I like is the scene in Parenthood where Steve Martin is still taking an axe to it long after the kiddies have left and gone home grin

ComeIntoTheGardenMaud Mon 25-Jun-12 23:22:05

Oxeye!

::bosom .... clasping .... you get the picture::

I'm not sure what a sook is, but I agree with you about the car and the miscreants driving it. Even the lifers who have just been on the telly (did you watch that?) were somebody's baby once.

I shall look for that bit of Parenthood on Youtube.

Scout19075 Mon 25-Jun-12 23:23:45

Can I join in the clasping?

Thumbwitch Mon 25-Jun-12 23:24:39

I have no real issue with non-animal shaped pinatas with strings Oxeye! It is just the brutal aspects I can't be doing with.

ComeIntoTheGardenMaud Mon 25-Jun-12 23:24:56
ComeIntoTheGardenMaud Mon 25-Jun-12 23:26:16

Oh yes, Scout. I can't quite remember how Oxeye and I got into the habit of bosom clasping, but it's a good habit to share.

Scout19075 Mon 25-Jun-12 23:29:07

I have no bosom so didn't know if I was excluded.

Every night before bed Toddler asks "Kiss? Hug? Poem?" He also hugs me/burrows into me and saws "Aaawwwww, Mommy love." [heart]

ComeIntoTheGardenMaud Mon 25-Jun-12 23:30:52

Nah, it's like a group hug. Anyone is welcome to join in. And bless Toddler.

UniS Mon 25-Jun-12 23:32:08

hug

night night
sleep tight
what will you dream of tonight?

Scout19075 Mon 25-Jun-12 23:33:33

If Toddler was awake he'd join in -- he likes group hugs.

Scout19075 Mon 25-Jun-12 23:34:47

He saw one of his big friends (an 8 yr old big friend) at Tesco today and gave her a big hug. She loves him and hugs him hello/goodbye, too.

oxeye Tue 26-Jun-12 00:02:09

I'm a hugger with no bosom to speak of

::clasps all to her ample hugging space::

well found Maud of the Tube grin

exactly Thumb, that's why I thought you'd like pinatas with string!

Donki Tue 26-Jun-12 20:15:30

Maud!
That poor donkey!

<<traumatised>>
<<Flees to the priesthole>>

ComeIntoTheGardenMaud Tue 26-Jun-12 21:04:12

::reassures Donki that the pinata is made of paper and, besides, movies are make-believe and no donkeys real or pretend were harmed in the making of that motion picture::

Donki Tue 26-Jun-12 22:04:03

<<Muffled voice from the priesthole>>
I'm not taking any risks!...

Scout19075 Tue 26-Jun-12 22:22:20

Warning: I'm too lazy to look it up and MrScout is of no use.

Does anyone know how many books there are in Enid Blyton's The Secret Seven series?

Scout19075 Tue 26-Jun-12 22:24:29

Only one more Seniors meeting left before I have at least a year off.

mistlethrush Tue 26-Jun-12 22:28:21

15 apparently scout.

Scout19075 Tue 26-Jun-12 22:29:21

Thanks, MT. Are they like The Famous Five?

teafortwo Tue 26-Jun-12 22:36:39

Bof - I am fed up with Paris in summer... Specifically the metro in summer - huff huff huff...<with tongue in cheek> 1) snogging on the metro 2) tourists trying to pass through the metro using used tickets and then when,because they can't get through they are causing a pile up, I tell them to pass through with me and then they drop the door on me so I am stuck between the door and the turnstile but they have got through on my ticket and 3) the cute busker who sings "...I want you to nowwwtice when I'm not around..." - don't worry... Us girls notice - now sing a jollier song, dear...

mistlethrush Tue 26-Jun-12 22:40:44

Scout - I believe so. Mc is on Famous 5 at the mo....

Tea - I can completely understand - when I go to London in the summer I really can't understand how people can do that day in day out - all the people, the congestion, the fumes, the crush on the tube.... (and of course this summer its going to be doubly worse).

ComeIntoTheGardenMaud Tue 26-Jun-12 22:43:32

Tea - My sympathies. The tube is already horrendous in the mornings and I dread to think what it will be like during the Olympics.

::Bah humbug emoticon::

Don't know much about Enid Blyton as I don't let her books in the house but the Enid Blyton name thread is fun.

Scout19075 Tue 26-Jun-12 22:45:26

Maud, why not? [nosey]

I do not miss my London commute. I know MrScout will not work in his London office during the Olympics. I have other friends who live/work in London who are either going to work from home or get out of dodge or both.

ComeIntoTheGardenMaud Tue 26-Jun-12 22:51:55

Well, obviously I did have to let them in the house because people sometimes gave them to The Girl as gifts and I'm not mean enough to dispose of her presents, but I would never buy them. I suppose it's a hangover from my youth, when we were discouraged from reading Enid Blyton because they were not regarded as good writing, and that's without even thinking about the golliwogs and other outdated attitudes (although I understand that the golliwogs have been removed from modern editions).

mistlethrush Tue 26-Jun-12 22:55:08

I grew out of them when I was about 6 so they weren't common in this household either. Swallows and Amazons much better, and the Phoenix books. etc etc - so many better options.

teafortwo Tue 26-Jun-12 22:58:19

Tbh I prefer it from when I used to drive everyday but... At this time of year Paris becomes a bit Disney like which is fine if you are in holiday mood too and fun at weekends... but trying to get to work appointments is a bit of a drag....

ComeIntoTheGardenMaud Tue 26-Jun-12 23:01:21

Yes, it was a mercifully short-lived thing here too. It's now all about Cornelia Funke and Gerald Durrell.

mistlethrush Tue 26-Jun-12 23:03:11

Ah, yes, must get the Durrell out - did you ever read the Talking Parcel? Luckily I still have my copy - its wonderful!

teafortwo Tue 26-Jun-12 23:10:22

Enid B - I hated her books as a child I found them stale and dreary - I was a Roald Dahl gal.... but am on and off (we are not good at sticking to one book) reading the far away tree to Milk and we both like it... Although it is an updated one with non-rude names and no references to anything remotely racist... Milk gushes at all the food in it! My English lecturer at uni said "Blyton is Mills and Boons for children.... But she uses food instead of sex." he he he <scuse my out of sync posts - iPhone typing is slooooooow>

ComeIntoTheGardenMaud Tue 26-Jun-12 23:15:33

Err, no. I'd already read all his autobiographical books before that one was published. blush

mistlethrush Tue 26-Jun-12 23:18:09

Maud - me too I think!

oxeye Tue 26-Jun-12 23:19:20

oh I am out of place in tea room tonight .. I love London esepcially in the summer and I love Enid B. We are reading Famous Five a lot (all those kidnapped children! All that food porn for those on rationining!)

Secret Seven are inexplicably enchanting to Oxboy since they are really rather dull - seven rather prissy children meet in shed eating biscuits and having meetings about nothing - whole book building a bonfire and making a guy interspersed with burglary by Dodgy Geezer but I loved it then and OxBoy loves it now - its sort of Famous Five for the Dull Suburban Child grin

if you're liking Faraway Tree try Wishing Chair too - and my entire school view was set by Mallory Towers....

Also read Durrell - esp Talking Parcel - and Roald Dahl - I am loving finding my old books and reading those again, very lovely

oxeye Tue 26-Jun-12 23:20:32

don't know Cornelia Funke

and getting slightly nervous about Olympics but am just assuming that all Londoners will Stay Away and so it might be nice and quiet ?!

UniS Tue 26-Jun-12 23:21:26

I rather liked EB books, I liked adventure stories... loved Swallows and Amazons once I discovered them, but that wasn't till I was 11.
Currently reading
a- Mike Pannet's latest, "just the job, lad" and
b- Todd McCaffery's " dragon girl"

Have borrowed the first 2 of the beastquest series for boy to try. Think they will be a shared read as lots of random fantasy/ mythological names...

UniS Tue 26-Jun-12 23:24:47

I like Cornelia Funke- esp "thief lord" but I think she's aiming for readers of 10ish + wasn't so keen on inkhearrt, its good, but not my cup of tea. Another set of books that seem to be going down well with 10/11 yr old girls is Julia Goldings Cat Royal books " Diamond of Dury Lane" , "Cat o nine tails" etc

ComeIntoTheGardenMaud Tue 26-Jun-12 23:27:47

::gets on with the daily bosom-clasping::

Oh, don't get me wrong, Oxeye. I love London and doubt I could bear to live anywhere smaller and duller else but I get very grumpy at the way the place is cluttered up by burger-chomping, litter-dropping tourists who don't know how to work the ticket barriers on the Tube and concuss you with their backpacks when they turn round to consult the map for the zillionth time.

mistlethrush Tue 26-Jun-12 23:27:48

UniS - mc has enjoyed those over the last year. He's also enjoyed diary of a wimpy kid, and the 'how to train your dragon' series. A lot.

Oxeye - if he likes the 'gang' things, we read one of the 'bare bottom gang' books that mc LOVED and found incredibly funny due to some of the words it uses (eg 'bottom' !!!)grin Sort of up to date version of the secret seven !

Scout19075 Tue 26-Jun-12 23:34:11

<<Worries I knocked Maud out with my Toddler's nappy bag last time we met up in The Big Smoke>> Fortunately my first trip to London was with MrScout so I just followed him around like the lost puppy I was but I did have the back that had my packed lunch, drinks, snacks, a map (in case we got separated), my money and who knows what else.

ComeIntoTheGardenMaud Tue 26-Jun-12 23:51:27

Nah. I'm talking about those rucksacks that are taller than the person carrying them and heavier too as I keep finding out to my cost!

oxeye Wed 27-Jun-12 00:42:19

::joins in general clasping::

I think one of the keys to my joy of london is the fact I rarely go anywhere by tube.

If the Bare Bottom Gang occasionally say "fart" as well we'll be in heaven. Totally rocking that Finbar Sauders gene, my one

Scout19075 Wed 27-Jun-12 08:29:39

I woke up (if you can say that because I barely slept) in a really bad mood. Someone, please, snap me out of it otherwise Toddler and I will spend the day clashing.

mistlethrush Wed 27-Jun-12 09:41:16

oxeye - I think that you might find all your wishes come true! I know I read it to DS last year - and he actually had to look at the book before he accepted that certain words had actually been written down in there! grin Definitely going to see if I can find another one or two.

beanandspud Wed 27-Jun-12 09:45:01

<<Arrives late to find general clasping mostly over>>

I loved Enid Blyton as a child and used to read Malory Towers under my desk at school when I'm sure I should have been doing something else. I begged my parents to let me go to boarding school as I was convinced it was far more fun than a rather grey northern primary school.

Scout - Secret Seven were similar to Famous Five but slightly less involved. My favourite was the 'Seven' dressing up as snowmen and spending the night standing in a field in order to rescue a stolen racehorse hmmconfusedsmile. Hope you have a good day with TS, nothing wrong with an easy day just pottering if you are feeling grumpy!

Maud - I have been one of those tourists with the giant backpacks blush. Had to be helped up once in a station because I bent down to tie a shoe lace, overbalanced with the weight and ended up like a stranded upside tortoise!!!

Tea - I will wave at you next week on the metro - can't wait to be on holiday after a couple of weeks of being all over the place.

Small Bean has had his first visits to Big school. He really enjoyed it and i think he will do ok if he remembers to stop talking once in a while. I shed a few tears though getting his uniform yesterday [wuss emoticon].

I have just made some low-carb 'corn bread' if anyone would like some - it's weirdly nice. Oh, and a brew.

mistlethrush Wed 27-Jun-12 10:00:18

<<clasps beanandspud>>

I've just got mc a whole lot of sports uniform for junior school next year - luckily jumpers etc are all the same, but the sports stuff is different and extensive. Thank heavens for the 2nd hand uniform option - and the mothers that are happy to buy it all new and therefore supply the 2nd hand uniform for the less extravagant like me!

brew ?

beanandspud Wed 27-Jun-12 10:18:17

Yes please to brew.

Is MC going to a completely different site with different teachers etc. or will there be some continuity? Is he looking forward to it?

mistlethrush Wed 27-Jun-12 10:22:25

Yes, completely different site, new teachers. The only continuity will be that the sports teachers have been coming down to do PE with them on a Friday morning from the big school site. He's had 4 visits up there - the last one very positive, and he is now looking forward to it and doesn't seem as worried as he was. It is on a completely different scale and there are LOTS of children - something like 300 in the four junior school years, plus all the seniors too - although they're somewhat segregated, just sharing a few of the facilities (eg pool, sports fields and cafeteria.

Scout19075 Wed 27-Jun-12 16:05:05

I'm still grumpy. sad

ComeIntoTheGardenMaud Wed 27-Jun-12 19:22:19

Would wine and a foot rub from Mellors help, Scout?

Jacksmania Wed 27-Jun-12 19:22:54

Or a back rub? <offers services>

ComeIntoTheGardenMaud Wed 27-Jun-12 22:20:50

Ouch! I've hurt my shoulder carrying a heavy bag.

::Joins queue for Mellors' Jacksmania's services::

Scout19075 Wed 27-Jun-12 22:29:20

Ooooh, backrubs. I'm there!

Scout19075 Wed 27-Jun-12 22:29:51

I have about ten things I want to do this evening, including wanting to be in bed by 10 p.m. (HA!) but I don't know what to do first.

UniS Wed 27-Jun-12 22:31:25

book recommendation to MC, oxboy age owners...

Billy bonkers

DH and I and boy are all loving the first book.

mistlethrush Wed 27-Jun-12 23:02:23

Thanks Unis - I'll have a look out for them. I've just got reading age of DS back in school report.. that and the rest of the report just confirm how much this year's teacher has suited him compared to last.

He's got a karate grading tomorrow afternoon - after the play that two classes are putting on. Its about the olympics I think.

oxeye Thu 28-Jun-12 00:36:22

::clasps and hugs gently for all those in pain or feeling grumpy::

::joins Q for Mellors::

how exciting to have proper books to read - but I wish we could engineer reading time not just in bed when we're all a bit grumpy and its effortsome,,,,
I had an exasperation moment at bath time when Oxboy was just being a small boy who is tired and impy and I fear I was mean....
I need to find my inner playful parent - that sucker is buried for sure!

mistlethrush Thu 28-Jun-12 09:36:12

Its really difficult isn't it when they've been exasperating all day long not to get snappy back. And yet, if when you manage to nudge and coax them along into doing what you want them to do rather than shouting telling them AGAIN to do what they have been asked to do 10 times already, it goes so much more easily. When will I learn? And when will he learn that when I ask him to put his pyjamas on I really want him to put his pyjamas on, to have a dance, or a hug, or a kiss, or a chat, or a pose, or a day dream....

Does anyone else struggle getting enough liquid into their child? I send mc with a water bottle everyday and it normally comes back untouched (although they do get milk to drink at break and water to drink with lunch and I know that he sometimes has several glasses at lunchtime). But its the same at the weekend - he just doesn't drink that much and we have to pester him to drink. Any recommendations?

brew ?

Scout19075 Thu 28-Jun-12 18:38:50

Ohhh, there's a plea for volunteers to steward at the Olympic Torch relay in town next week. I'd love to do it. But I want to take Toddler to it and take pictures. MrScout is very anti-Olympics and is planning on steering clear (as far as I'm aware but he knows that I'm going and taking TS -- after all, it's coming within two blocks of my house!). So... do I volunteer and get clearer access/sight or don't I and I take Toddler and take pictures of it/the run/Toddler enjoying the festivities?

oxeye Fri 29-Jun-12 00:26:26

Oh Mistle, thank you for making me feel better. Yes to all that especially remembering to go along with the ease ....
Scout I would go and carry the torch but then I am not a big photographer, I would rather join in and I would make mr scout bring toddler to watch ....

mistlethrush Fri 29-Jun-12 07:13:51

Based on what Donki said, scout, if you're prepared to get there early you might manage to get a good view anyway, without being a volunteer.... and you might not get a good position as a volunteer anyway.

Oxeye - its easy on paper - its when it comes to applying it that the problems occur! grin