new nursery policy - if child off for 3+ days - is this true?

(30 Posts)
adsmam Mon 27-Jan-14 15:26:19

Hi all
I'm new here I've joined specifically to see if anyone has heard about a new nursery policy, it Involves a child needing to be seen by a professional if they are off sick from nursery for more than 3-5 days. Any help would be appreciated smile

kimlo Mon 27-Jan-14 15:32:41

Ive not heard of that it might just be down to a policy change at your nursery.

What kind of setting is it?

insancerre Mon 27-Jan-14 15:38:29

Are you claiming the free funding?
Settings have to do what they can to make sure that children have regular attendance.
If it is a private nursery then they can pretty much set their own policies.

Littlefish Mon 27-Jan-14 15:44:14

There's nothing in my local authority guidance like that. It must be a nursery-specific thing they've introduced at your nursery.

adsmam Mon 27-Jan-14 16:45:37

It's a surestart children's centre, I'm claiming the free funding for the 2 year olds nursery placement. My little boys been off for 5 days as we've both had a bad cold and I was planning on taking him back in tomorrow, but I got a call today from his key worker. She said it was a new policy introduced and because he's been off for more than 3 days I had to pop in with him so he could be seen. She was adamant but it doesn't seem right to me and i couldn't find anything on the internet about it, that's why I'm posting here.

kimlo Mon 27-Jan-14 16:47:13

so tyey have to see him because he isnt well?

I would ask to see the policy

RafaIsTheKingOfClay Mon 27-Jan-14 16:54:31

I'd put money on this being to do with the little boy who died in Scotland recently. He hadn't been seen in nursery since before Xmas. My guess is your nursery have rewritten their Child protection policy to say that children must be seen by a professional from outside the home.

kimlo Mon 27-Jan-14 16:58:01

I can see how it makes sense from a safeguarding point of view but shouldnt all parents have been toldwhen the policy changed?

and if a child has a bug is nursery really the place for them to be taken? It would make more sense for them to ne taken to a walk in centre

Meglet Mon 27-Jan-14 16:59:37

I was going to say what rafa has just said.

It's going to be a bit tricky with really poorly children though. Bed is sometimes the best place.

insancerre Mon 27-Jan-14 17:01:12

But if they are really poorly then another professional will probably have seen them, such as a GP or nurse.

Meglet Mon 27-Jan-14 17:02:48

Yes, good

Meglet Mon 27-Jan-14 17:03:21

Good point.

morethanpotatoprints Mon 27-Jan-14 17:03:28

It doesn't even make sense from a safe guarding pov. Are all parents considered guilty of abuse or cruelty until proven innocent, what utter crap. I'd change your provider OP.

Littlefish Mon 27-Jan-14 17:04:25

I agree. This will be an amendment to their safeguarding policy to ensure that children are seen by someone outside the family, rather than take a parent/carer's word for the fact that they are unwell and at home.

So sad that it's needed.

lilyaldrin Mon 27-Jan-14 17:06:56

I'm not sure if it's even safeguarding, so much as just needing people to actually attend the sessions. My setting has also recently started providing the funded 2 year places and lots of children have really poor attendance, sometimes being "ill" for weeks at a time or on the same days every week etc and it blocks a place for someone who actually wants it.

Not suggesting at all that this is what the OP is doing, just that it is probably the thinking behind this new policy.

insancerre Mon 27-Jan-14 17:13:10

Are all parents considered guilty of abuse or cruelty until proven innocent, what utter crap
Sadly, but that's the way it is going.
For far too long, each serious case review makes the point that professionals have been far too trusting in believing what the parents tell them.

HSMMaCM Mon 27-Jan-14 20:19:29

For 3 yr old funding we have to justify all absence - holiday,sick etc.

adsmam Mon 27-Jan-14 21:38:51

I explained that my son would be returning back to nursery the next day but she still insisted that he be brought in to be seen, surely if it was about funding then the next day would have been fine. I felt forced to go in and threatened with it being referred if I chose not too. I have nothing to hide so went but the whole thing has left me a bit gobsmacked !

Flambards Mon 27-Jan-14 21:42:26

Find a new nursery. This sounds like total idiocy to me.

ILickPicnMix Mon 27-Jan-14 21:47:35

I would complain.
If my nursery did that to me I would be livid. And I don't know if I could even come in if they 'made me' - for example at xmas all 8 of us were poorly with a sicky poo virus, I couldn't have taken my 3 year old into nursery leaving 3 poorly older children and 2 other little babies! and I probably would have pooed myself on the way there
And it means everyone would be spreading their germs around. Yuk!
A very silly idea!

lilyaldrin Mon 27-Jan-14 21:48:34

Did you speak to the manager? I'd ask for a meeting to clarify the exact policy and tell them how you felt.

SilverStars Mon 27-Jan-14 21:48:34

Ask them to do a home visit? If he is ill and contagious he should not be in the present of other children surely. Once they have to do home visits to confirm chicken pox, d&v they may change their policy? Are you entitled to holiday from the nursery, if have free funding - worth checking their policies. And if they have not given you a policy in writing or agreed to it when you chose that nursery it may be worth a mention?

Seems incredibly heavy-handed. What were they going to do if you said 'no'? What referral? They aren't your bosses and they can't order you around.

ILickPicnMix Mon 27-Jan-14 21:59:11

Even if they do a home visit they are still exposed to the germs and then they would be going back into the nursery.
Bit of a cheek really, especially as nurseries are often so strict about the 48 hour rule (rightly so).

littleblackno Mon 27-Jan-14 21:59:18

Threatened with being referred - this pisses me off that people use ss in this way, like the police with instant powers to turn up and whisk your kids away because you didn't take them to nursery when they were ill. They are just on a power trip.
What would happen if you didn't take ds in? By the time they'd made a referral and it was responded to he would be better and back in nursery.
I would ask to see their policy and clarify in what circumstances your child needs to be seen- what if he had had an infectious illness?

I'm not saying that everyone should not be more aware of child protection and should raise concerns but this does seem a bit ott and reactionary. SS haven't got the resources to follow up every child who's not been in nursery for a few days.

adsmam Mon 27-Jan-14 22:31:51

I'm going to ask for a copy of the policy tomorrow. Thanks for all the replies smile x

adsmam Mon 10-Feb-14 15:06:00

I waited until my sons keyworker was in to ask for a copy of the policy, which was last week, I still havnt been given it, when I asked again today I was told by a nursery worker that the manager would be phoning me, then on my way out I bumped into the senior nursery worker who told me the manager would speak to me in person tomorrow when i drop my son off. I just want to see a copy of the policy, to verify the keyworker was following procedure. Is it right that they have left me waiting about for it for this long and essentially aren't giving it to me?

GreggsOnLegs Mon 10-Feb-14 15:13:35

My brother had the same happen to him regarding my nephew and him being poorly a few weeks ago. They told my brother to take him down so they could see him. My brother wasn't happy about going out in the cold and rain to walk a poorly child to nursery (he doesn't drive ).
They said it was their new policy too.

UriGeller Mon 10-Feb-14 15:18:14

I'm looking into registering my ds for his free 15 hours at Sure Start nursery at the moment. When I spoke to the manager she told me its very much down to us when he comes in, that its "not like school" and that if he doesn't feel like it or needs a break then we just let them know.

I'd be reluctant to take my child into the very place he needed a break from if he was off for a few days, whether he's ill or not.

I would have thought it was up to a health visitor or social services to call round if there was any doubt about the child's well-being. Which is what they're getting at, isn't it?

anklebitersmum Mon 10-Feb-14 15:19:49

Sounds naughty to me adsmam.

There would be no way I'd be carting an ill child to the nursery at their request. If they feel the need to pop round to fulfil policy then fine, pop in & take your chances with whatever germs we are laden with.

Mind you I did throw a HV out once so maybe I'm a bit stroppier than you grin

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