How much do nursery workers earn?

(64 Posts)
SidandAndyssextoy Tue 22-Oct-13 14:32:16

Just wondering if anyone could tell me what someone working in a London nursery might be earning per hour? And what hourly rate might tempt them to come and be a nanny?!

Wishuponastar011 Tue 22-Oct-13 19:01:07

I'm a nursery assistant in Hampshire just out of London. I'm on £5 exactly per hour, and work a 40hr week.

I wouldn't become a nanny though!

SidandAndyssextoy Tue 22-Oct-13 19:31:52

Thanks, Wish. So if you were offered say £8 per hour net you wouldn't be tempted?

insancerre Tue 22-Oct-13 19:33:45

£5 an hour?
that's not even minimum wage

rubyslippers Tue 22-Oct-13 19:34:59

i am in the South East - nursery workers round here seem to earn around £12 - £13k per year

rubyslippers Tue 22-Oct-13 19:35:33

sid - look at a nanny share maybe?

SidandAndyssextoy Tue 22-Oct-13 20:11:28

I'm hoping to lure one of our lovely nursery people away from the nursery - for various reasons. But I know being a nanny isn't for everyone. Nanny share is another possibility, but I'd like to try this first. The person I have in mind works three days a week which is exactly how many days I need, but I don't want to insult her by offering too little.

SidandAndyssextoy Tue 22-Oct-13 20:12:32

And yes, I did mean to say myself that £5 is very, very little. Rather shocking actually.

solveproblem Tue 22-Oct-13 20:14:44

OMG! Is the pay really that bad!?

Passthecake30 Tue 22-Oct-13 20:20:39

The preschool teachers earn £8.15-£10 p/h round here (Hertfordshire)

HSMMaCM Tue 22-Oct-13 20:20:57

Nursery pay is pretty appalling. Some have contracts to stop them leaving to work for nursery clients (otherwise it would happen all the time).

MortifiedAdams Tue 22-Oct-13 20:20:59

I would.imagine a full.time.nanny salary to be 20/21k. Three days per week - 14k.

CakePigeon Tue 22-Oct-13 20:27:44

OP, my DH works in this industry and he says £8ph is fair but the usual practice is to quote nanny salaries as net so she might expect to take home £8ph. If your nursery nurse is qualified she would command about £8ph in a nursery.
The clause about what you leave for is standard but he says no one would enforce for a nursery nurse- the manager maybe!

Ps I got caught reading active threads grin hope that is helpful

SidandAndyssextoy Tue 22-Oct-13 20:28:30

I know another worker from the nursery who is now a nanny for one of the parents. But she was sacked which probably makes a difference.

SidandAndyssextoy Tue 22-Oct-13 20:31:10

Thanks, cakepigeon. £8 net was what I was thinking. This isn't a teacher or a manager. I think she may be level 3 but possibly just level 2. They had to take down the board saying who everyone was and their qualifications as it just highlighted their high staff turnover. hmm

I'd doubt the not working for parents clause would be enforceable.

Thants Tue 22-Oct-13 20:44:53

I used to get minimum wage as a nursery assistant. Minimum wage is different in London though right?
Star that's illegal for you to earning so little. Shop them.

TondelayoSchwarzkopf Tue 22-Oct-13 20:46:25

£5 an hour? Please let that be a typo.

MuffCakes Tue 22-Oct-13 20:49:17

I work in a chain nursery, it's about £6:50 ph for assistants and £7ph for senior room leaders.

MinnieMooMoo Tue 22-Oct-13 20:51:15

£5 is a whole 2p extra for someone aged 18-20

MinnieMooMoo Tue 22-Oct-13 20:51:32

Oh wait sorry, was looking at wrong year!

grumpalumpgrumped Tue 22-Oct-13 21:05:09

Check your nursery contract too, ours has a clause about enticing staff away, and a penalty if you employ someone (doubt we would use it to be honest)

Also in south east, £13- £14,500 is average for a nursery nurse.

hettienne Tue 22-Oct-13 21:10:46

Nursery workers are probably on about £7 an hour. A qualified/experienced nanny would expect £10-£12 (gross) - more for a top professional nanny. I expect £8-£10 gross would be very attractive to someone just moving from nursery.

Don't start talking net, there is no need. A nursery worker will be used to a gross wage anyway.

SidandAndyssextoy Tue 22-Oct-13 21:21:51

Good point. I've just got suckered into using those rates as so many people do.

My lovely target has kids of her own so may be reluctant to leave an employer who offers potentially indefinite employment for a time limited position. On the other hand I would be a vastly nicer employer and with a rave reference in an area like mine would walk into another job when the time came. I'm going to check my contract though.

TeamSouthfields Tue 22-Oct-13 21:22:36

£8 an hour net for a London nanny isnt a great wage

if wish is also doing a nvq along side working in the nursery then 5 pounds a hour is actually a good wage for apprenticeship. but if not then no it is below minimum wage.

SidandAndyssextoy Tue 22-Oct-13 21:35:44

I've been told in my area that £8 net is the average wage for an inexperienced nanny. I've also been told that I will be told that all nannies are paid at least £10 net but this is not true.

I genuinely want to pay as much as I can afford so I'm being fair.

EldonAve Tue 22-Oct-13 21:43:29

minimum wage

Artandco Tue 22-Oct-13 21:46:19

Nannies around here def £10-12 net. £8 very low and would only tempt new/ unqualified/ new to England nannies imo

SidandAndyssextoy Tue 22-Oct-13 23:20:12

But she is unqualified. But she has childcare experience of course. I need to do sums. I know people locally who are paying £8 net so it can't be that unusual.

BackforGood Tue 22-Oct-13 23:28:32

Nursery staff generally paid the minimum wage around here, so, that depends a bit on age, but £6.31 if over 21. Here

Cindy34 Tue 22-Oct-13 23:52:21

13-16k in my area. Though it can vary more than that.

Look on recruitment sites like www.greatcare.co.uk - may find some jobs in your area with salary offered.

valiumredhead Tue 22-Oct-13 23:55:27

The going rate for a qualified nanny was 10 an hour net and that was years ago (in London.)

Cindy34 Tue 22-Oct-13 23:56:25

Nannying is different, the job is a lot different, the hours of work for example can be very long, 50-60 a week is not unusual.

Post on the Childminders, Nannies board, plus read a lot of the threads on there, as you will need to know about how you go about employing a nanny and what the likely costs will be. Many nannies will be on £8-£12 gross per hour, with the employer having other costs on top, such as employers NI, mileage payments, activities budget, payroll admin.

SidandAndyssextoy Wed 23-Oct-13 00:09:46

I've done lots of reading already, which is how I came up with £8 net! I was actually given that figure by a couple of local nannies. But I will do my best to up that if it seems to be taking the piss.

Current hours of employment are 10.5 per day for three days with a very short lunch break taken on the premises. I'd want 10 hours per day but obviously no lunch break possible.

I really do appreciate the difference between being a nursery assistant and nannying, and why the move might not be attractive to her even with higher wages. I have other places to look if she's not up for it. I just don't want to blow it on money grounds. £10 net basically means I'm working for nothing myself, and I don't like my job enough for that to be an enticing prospect!

valiumredhead Wed 23-Oct-13 00:14:51

Don't forget all the extras you will need to factor in too like employers tax. Your bills will increase as she well be home during the day, extra food.

valiumredhead Wed 23-Oct-13 00:15:45

It's not employers tax, it's stamp isn't't it?confused

SidandAndyssextoy Wed 23-Oct-13 00:23:16

Yes, am figuring in those additional costs. Trust me, this is the final phase after lots of soul searching. I will be working shifts when I go back and my other half can't do a nursery drop off/pick up and work very easily as his working day is longer - previously we covered one end of the day each. Childminders have the same issue - and we don't really want the kids out of the house till after 7pm anyway.

I had a look on the site linked to just now. Not much in my area. One for an 'experienced' nanny for £9 net. A couple in the adjoining much posher area for £10-11, but most of the other positions there are live-in so no comparison to make.

OutragedFromLeeds Wed 23-Oct-13 00:37:05

£8 net is at the lower end of the going rate, but fine for someone new to nannying and coming from a nursery.

I'm a bit confused about why you've said she's not qualified though when earlier you said ' I think she may be level 3 but possibly just level 2' confused. Is she qualified or not?!

SidandAndyssextoy Wed 23-Oct-13 00:42:54

Sorry, of course she's qualified. I was thinking of Ofsted registered, which of course she wouldn't be yet. Sorry to talk nonsense.

Well, fingers crossed there's a way forward. The advice on here has been great, although I remain depressed by the wages some are earning. I forgot to say too that we will be offering more paid holiday than most would, which might help the hourly rate look a little better. And I'll do my sums and see where £8.50 might get us.

HSMMaCM Wed 23-Oct-13 07:03:55

And when you make an offer, remember to offer a gross wage, not net, as you have no idea what her tax code is (or what tax and NI announcements will be made in the budget).

Sorry have you factored in all other extras? Sounds a bit salary focused which will tempt her but not keep her. Once she leaves, she might quickly widen her views. Have you ticked other boxes? Contracts? Holiday? Sickness? Etc....!

Artandco Wed 23-Oct-13 07:49:16

Yes £8.50 is low if net in London but super low if gross. The £9/10/12 per hour you see listed is net so what they get after tax

So £8.50 net will cost you around £12 per hour after tax and ni

An average £500 net per week wage of nanny actually costs employers approx £700-740 after paying tax, ni and employers ni

SidandAndyssextoy Wed 23-Oct-13 07:52:10

Yes, will be a gross offer. And yes, have thought of extras. Like I said, above average holiday for one thing. Also, niceness of us. We have rave reviews from previous employees. And we will support her if she wants to do additional training. More likely she won't want to, but will want to know that we won't leave her stranded when we don't need a nanny any more.

nannynick Wed 23-Oct-13 08:09:44

Why not just ask her what she is currently earning? She may simply tell you.

Work out what you can afford and offer less than that so there is room for a rise after probation, after 1 year etc.

Does she want to be a nanny, if so then she may take quite a low salary to get the experience. Be honest with her about how long you would need a nanny for, such as until youngest starts school. Would you switch to a childminder or afterschool club? Or keep nanny?

oliveoctagon Wed 23-Oct-13 08:17:36

It can be anything from 2.68 for apprentice to about £7 for manager of a big nursery of about 50/60 places where I am.

SidandAndyssextoy Wed 23-Oct-13 08:24:38

That's the reasoning behind the £8 - it gives me somewhere to go. We are hoping to have a third so if that happens we will need her for at least three years. If not, at least two, as our youngest will only be one when she starts.

SidandAndyssextoy Wed 23-Oct-13 08:24:59

£2.68????!

valiumredhead Wed 23-Oct-13 08:28:09

Good luck OP, hope she says yes! Let's us know the out comesmile

SidandAndyssextoy Wed 23-Oct-13 08:39:05

Thank you. At the moment I'm trying to find my contract to see how outrageous my actions would be.

Artandco Wed 23-Oct-13 09:16:11

The thing as a nanny that would put me off ( apart from low wage), is that you say 3 years max, 2 years if no other child.

Most nannies want long term positions and min 5 years IMO ( ie baby- school age). As the hassle of finding and settling in a job takes a while. I think it takes at least 1 year for everything to be ironed out, children 100% happy, everyone on same ideas etc, so to Leave after 2 years almost seems like a waste.
Would you not need someone to cover holidays/ sickness etc?

TiggyD Wed 23-Oct-13 09:20:56

If they're young and you train the a bit, I know a few girls on £3.40. Nurseries like trainees.

You must all be glad your children are being looked after by highly trained and motivated professionals.

rubyslippers Wed 23-Oct-13 09:28:59

i've employed a nanny for nearly 4 years

it has been at times a very steep learning curve for everyone - covering illness is a real headache as if she is off work, then it tends to fall to me to pick up the slack

We pay her monthly, we then are liable for her tax and NI which we pay quarterly to HMRC

another cost is the payroll company which for us is £115 per year which gets us payslips etc

also, we give her a kitty which is £20 per week but which can go up and down depending on school holidays

travel card - rarely used as she walks everywhere but still the odd £2 here and there

food - she does eat with the kids so slight increase in food bills

we paid for her to do further training which was £250 and OFSTED costs around £110 to register

the hidden costs do stack up - also, she has had pay increases along the way

it can be a really beneficial childcare option but it is pricey

SidandAndyssextoy Wed 23-Oct-13 11:55:54

Yes, I've done lots of reading and figured all those sorts of things in, including extra heating bills etc.

I think a couple of years round here is pretty common. Friends of mine have used a nanny to bridge the 'two kids at home' gap which is pretty small, rather than having a nanny from birth to school. There's a period where a nanny is a comparable cost to two sets of nursery fees, but it's not very long. Also, the turnover at our nursery is horrific, so I rather think working there depends how long you can put up with it. The children are very happy but the poor staff...

I am horrified at the low pay. I knew it wasn't a great deal but I assumed at least NMW.

SidandAndyssextoy Wed 23-Oct-13 11:57:43

And yes, sick cover will be a pain, but then we have to do that now if our daughter is ill. It would be the same with a childminder. Holiday cover is more or less sorted with our work although we'll probably have to trade a few favours, like everyone in our situation.

Wishuponastar011 Wed 23-Oct-13 13:56:18

Unfortunately the £5 wasn't a typo! I'm under 21 so minimum wage is currently £4.98 I think!

My work are currently funding my Level 3 aswell, once I'm qualified I will be on approx £6.40.

I'm with a big company too!

Wishuponastar011 Wed 23-Oct-13 13:57:16

And no, £8 per hour wouldn't tempt me! I wouldn't be a nanny ever.

BackforGood Wed 23-Oct-13 19:34:35

The £2.68 is apprenticeship money.
Many nurseries are using them as cheap labour now.
Of course, compared with their peers who get nothing for studying in the 6th form, then actually have to pay to go to university, £2.68ph is great so my ds seems to think.

valiumredhead Wed 23-Oct-13 19:54:07

Wish, just out of interest why not?

MinnieMooMoo Wed 23-Oct-13 20:05:10

Wish you should be on £5.03

BackforGood Wed 23-Oct-13 20:09:50

Link again for you

Not that I'm sure an extra 5p an hour will put you into a different tax band grin

Wishuponastar011 Wed 23-Oct-13 22:24:48

Too much responsibility, at nursery e have policies and procedures to adhere to. If something goes wrong is rarely 1 persons responsibility.

I couldn't be the one person in charge of the main most important thing of someone's life.

OutragedFromLeeds Wed 23-Oct-13 23:27:22

2-3 years is fine. Most nannies do want long-term jobs, but they are very few and far between. 2-3 years is the time between going back to work after ML and the child starting nursery, very common job duration ime.

Wish you should reconsider when you're a bit older/bit more experienced. Nannying is the best job in the world and you'd be earning at least double what you are now!

anewyear Mon 28-Oct-13 16:05:15

Im in Hertfordshire, only I work in a private
Pre School, Im on £6.35 ph as are 2 of my collegues, 1 who attained her level 3 several years ago, and the other has no child qualifications at all..
I guess it all depends on who you work for! and where!

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