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which is better ,priv or school nursery

16 replies

trace2 · 06/01/2006 11:01

ds goes to priv one but he dont seem to be learning much, should i change him??

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NotQuiteCockney · 06/01/2006 11:04

I don't think they learn much in nursery anywhere. Nursery is for them getting used to school etc etc, and socialising, not for being crammed full of knowledge they're not ready for yet.

I'm sure there are private nurseries that cater to your concerns, though.

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LIZS · 06/01/2006 11:13

Don't think it is as straightforward as that. If you are unhappy, look at all the alternatives, but first and foremost they should be learning almost without realising it, through play and fun activities. How old is he and what are you expecting them to "teach" him ?

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Aloha · 06/01/2006 11:14

Nursery isn't for learning IMO - that's my job. The difference between school nursery and private is that school nurseries don't offer childcare that is any use to anyone - 2.5 hours a day - while private nurseries do.

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Aloha · 06/01/2006 11:15

And as others say, small children learn every day at a tremendous rate by playing. Play is work for babies and children.

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jenkel · 06/01/2006 11:56

I also dont think its an easy question to answer. I dont expect my dd to learn as such at nursery. She has been in a private one and is now in the school one. I send her more for the social side of things, she just goes 3 mornings a week. My main concern is that she enjoys it, she didnt appear to be enjoying the private one so we pulled her out and she now has a ball at the school one.

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nickiey · 06/01/2006 12:02

my ds is at a school nursery (which happens to be in a private school) he is there from 8.45 until 1.15 and will be staying a little longer this term.
He surprises me every day with what he learns, all through play and games although they do practice writting etc.
He knew the other day that camels stored water in their humps, which i thought was pretty good.

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harpsichordcarrier · 06/01/2006 12:11

how old is ds?
i agree with aloha et al, i think the only relevant question is - is he happy? pre schoolers learn like sponges if they're happy imho
more important that he is playing and stimulated

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SoupDragon · 06/01/2006 13:12

All they should be doing is play based learning at nursery. DS2 went to both private and school nurseries and everything he learnt was through play based activities so that he never knew he was learning at all. Agree that it's all about socialising etc at nursery age.

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Twiglett · 06/01/2006 13:16

I agree and disagree with Aloha

nurserys are for play not for learning (also think the same about reception)

but nursery hours very useful for SAHM who lives 2 mins from front door of school and just wants a break

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FairyMum · 06/01/2006 13:27

I think nursery is mostly play, but also learning through play. I think the learning part is important. Not because I hothouse my children, but because children that age are so keen to learn and I think a nursery-environment is perfect for stimulating them to learn. My DS1 is learning letters in nursery and is now teaching himself to read. He comes home and wants me to teach him further. He is 4. What do you want him to learn? Most of the nurseries I have seen do teach them the alphabet, to count, the clock and basic geography.

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FairyMum · 06/01/2006 13:28

mine goers private by the way. I don't know anything about state nurseries.

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fruitful · 06/01/2006 13:37

nickiey - really sorry but the pedant in me wouldn't let this go - camels store fat in their humps, not water ...

that was a helpful contribution to the discussion wasn't it?

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Pfer · 06/01/2006 14:12

DS1 went to a private nursery at 6 months, was expensive, but the LEA one's don't take them until they are 2 and a half. I took him out when he was 2yo when it became obvious he didn't like going there. He started at the lea one 6 months later & enjoyed it much more.

But the main diff. I noticed was that at the council run one he actually did stuff. Every session he comes home with something, I had one picture from the private one.

He's been learning letters and numbers etc and they expect them all to be able to write their own names before they go to school reception class after their 4th birthday. So they do learn stuff.

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Shimmers · 08/01/2006 23:45

Wanted to say first that nursery IS about learning. From the moment we are born, we learn. A good nursery is one that allows children to explore, i.e LEARN, via the main medium of play. Of course they should also be exposed to other things, like painting and drawing (to develop fine motor skills) and books and nursery rhymes (language develop, maths) and have opportunities to mark make, aka as writing, etc etc.

I really don't think it is a question about private v state. I think that a quality provision has certain key factors, the main one being good leadership and management.

It really depends on what your own expectations are of what you want your child to learn during their nursery years. One private nursery could be great and the next not so. The same applies for those in the state sector. I write this from experience which was a real eye opener for me. This is my experience of state v private:

I work at a private school and get 10 weeks off in the summer. Before my son was born, I used to supply teach to make extra money and joined an agency who sent me to many differnt schools and nurseries, both private and state. I did this for a couple of years.
There were very good state schools and nurseries and very bad state schools and nurseries- I quickly came to the conclusion that as far as I saw it, a better educative experience did not always mean private. It came down to good, strong management where those at the top knew exactly was was going on everywhere and there seemed to be clear communication between grades of who was doing what (ensuring a consistent progression of learning goals for the kids). These great places were also caring and human, not high flying people just striving to meet targets.

Some nurseries do teach the alphabet- not just names of letters but also sounds etc. and get the children to write in conventional workbooks, start adding and subtracting etc. But I am in the camp that says that nursery learning is all about an exposure to the world around them though investigative experiences. What good is learning all of these things if a child doesn't know how to engage with his peers, share, think out of the box? Playing provides stimulus to all of these things.

Here is a poem which I always think provides food for thought:

Oh, What a Busy Day!

Oh, what a busy day!
I've been playing with the playdou,
And with a little help,
On a card I've learned to sew.
I've helped my friend 'Nurse Sarah',
To perform an operation,
Then fixed the track together,
And built a little station.
I popped inside the home corner,
To make a cup of tea,
And stood beside the cooker,
Making lunch for 23.
I completed 3 whole jigsaws,
And played a brand new game,
And had a ride on all the bikes,
The slide and climbing frame.
I handed round the snack,
Right at morning snack time,
Then listened to a story,
And sang some Nursery Rhymes.
But now the day is over,
And the adults are all waiting,
I hope my parent doesn't say,
"I wish you'd done a painting or leant your ABC's!!!"

Now, I now what I hope my son is doing in nursery and it's not learning his ABC"s!!!!

Sorry about the long post! Food for thought?...

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mummygow · 08/01/2006 23:59

I've worked in private and state and I think its about what resources they provide and just personally I felt that private scrimmped on theres as profit was involved and that state offered more,

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Shimmers · 09/01/2006 23:06

Again, I think that even between state schools and private schools, some resources were excellent and others not so. The last school I worked at, also private had a budget, once it was gone, it was gone, at my current school we have whatever we need and also have a huge room, where we can stock up on things without even having to mark down waht we take. One state school I worked had had children writing with badly worn down pencils when I asked where more pencils were I was told there weren't any. This was the case and a few places in state school whereas in others, I found that they had a good stock of things. Maybe, in terms of resources, it's all down to regions, boroughs, etc.

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