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Thanks Pidj, I saw we were running out of space.

I don't think I've come across your posts on other boards....so can't say either way if come across as a bit of a twat . I can be a bit argumentative like a good debate bit like in real life too. Though I wouldn't mind being outed cos I don't imagine anyone I know would be on MN. I'm no one special so [shrug] no one would care.

It's only been 2-3 times when i need to vent and someone's being stupid. I'm mostly found being woolly in Arts + Crafts, although i do have a thread in classics under a variant seasonal name <proud>

I love reading the arguments on here. Some people are right keyboard warriors. A forum DH goes on has some right spats but they'll not ot themselves (army website so some people did ops that they dont want everyone knowing about).

Love the new fred tittle.

Is the weather as miserable where you lot are as it is here?

It's been effing raining here all morning .

I think venting on MN is very therapeutic. Sometimes I have a scratch that needs itching and if I happen to fall on a thread that meets the subject, I'll get stuck in . I don't get wound up by stupid posts though. But I really don't like supercilious posters (that why I like my fluff friends!).

I like reading some of the aibu threads. Some people don't half get wound up about really silly things.

Its been 6-8 wks since fluff was purchased last. Im not getting any festive ones though.

What, not even a santa woolly wrap (do they even exit?? you could make one <bright idea, not>)

Perhaps a figgy pudding would be better?

Ive not seen any yet. I saw a Nightmare Before Xmas nappy but she wanted £27 for it!!

I have pretties!!!!!

Mate came up trumps with some her ds was too big for, so i have cars and dinosaurs and zoo animals and spots and colours and they're proper soft minky...

Excellent. When the Child Benefit arrives one shall be purchasing nappies.

Ive put a pic up on my fb page of the ones I want. How sad.

Does he look cute in them??

He's currently in a bamboo booster (doubled at the front), lollipop size 1 and unnamed plain wrap and has an arse the size of a planet!

I think the minky alvas have converted my mum to the fluffy side, if they'd been that cool and cute when i was tiny i wouldn't have been in sposies.

There's a reindeer hat in need if an antler on my hook ready for Christmas

Thanks for starting the new thread Pidj, glad to hear your DS is now in his fluff and v jealous of the new minky ones... I love my bumbles though and will not be seduced away into the world of alva minkies unless i see a really cute christmas one and I am loving my giraffe and monkey blueberry wraps, DD looks so cute in them and can say 'monkey pants' ! poor thing has a really red bum today, teething always has this effect but she cried so much having her nappy changed and in the bath that I cried too think it's time for a glass of wine - only just got her off to sleep.

Hi to BFG Notgrownup and VQ too!

Wine? Whats that?

Hi Biscuit, I read on another fred that egg white is good for sore bums! Who discovered that?

Ive just been projectile vommed on by new boy. Which was nice. And now number2 is hitting my foot with the remote.

Oh yes, continual puking - forgot that lovely baby treat.

Egg white? Does it really work? <interested> Do you mix it with water - how do it work?

I dont know Bfg, Ill Google it, It certainly sounds interesting, probably just raw so it dries and forms a film. Iirc it said it was used in neo-natal units. Ill find the thread and copy the paragraph.

I need the carpets cleaning. He's ten weeks so thought It'd calmed down by now but its only once a week so its not too bad.

I still find the odd white-ish mark on the floorboards of dried in milk puke ...amazing how much they bring up. I remember he was still doing it at around 5/6 months. I used to get upset at all my wasted milk .

Found it!!

I think you are best with egg white.

I tried everything before this and all it did was complicate the skin.

You get a raw egg, whisk it up or just apply the white as is, to the area...after cleaning with cooled boiled water with a bit of salt in it, first. Once clean, apply egg white.

Nappy off as much as humanly possible - if young baby, put on a few towels! If mobile, more tricky

Seriously, it forms a false skin to help healing underneath. Worked so quickly on ds2, when his little bottom was bleeding.

Avoid the chemical stuff as it will sting.

It goes with what you said about the guts not being mature too.

I know of 2 people who have weaned before 4m. Whats wrong with more milk?! Have they not heard of 'this too shall pass' ? I couldn't believe it.

Oops

Went to bfing thing this morning, ended up showing 2 people how to use a stretchy and teaching the trainee mw about the different types of cloth nappy. I'm the first fluffy bummer she's met, might be the only one in the villAge at this rate!

I shouldn't be let out in public and should have made sure he was in something cuter than a pale blue alva

PurplePidjIStheFLUFFMessiah

Ha ha thats ace.

Im the only fluffy mum on the whole estate.

You are the only fluffer in the village!

Are there many fluffers in France?

Who's in France? I'm near the Isle of Wight but that's not really abroad despite the ferry

Me - no fluffers round these parts. Although I do know an old hippie who did all four of her children back in the day - she even used woolly wraps because they only had nasty non-breathable plastic wraps then.

Although in the south of France, weather is still crap at the moment .

<waves out of window>

South of England is pretty vile too

I am coming to live with you.

Did work take you over there?

All that beautiful cheese mmmmmmm

Im in not so Sunny Mank chester.

It is barely getting light in the day in scotland.

DD2 is ill again so not in nursery. Dreadful cough which causes vomit at times. No temp to speak of yesterday, but spiked at 8 last night. So far sleeping peacefully. Going a bit stir crazy with being stuck in, but I have a rotten cough too so probably for the best. Running out of healthy food too.

No christmas fluff here.

Christmas mummy-mades here, i won't be buying an expensive nappy that'll be hidden under clothes all day! We do morning with my side locally then up to ILs 2 hours away so no chance to show off

VQ you need Valium. And chocolate.

2 hours drive its long enough without a baby. Luckily dh cant drive for more than 45mins and his lot are 3.5hours away!

Mum is picking me and the kids up on Xmas morning and dh will pick us up on the way back from work.

She'll do my head right in.

Ds1's behaviour is getting worse, hes again ran out into the road. He'll have to go back on his wrist rein:strap thing.

It's a nice trip, mostly off motorway and plenty of places to stop. We're going for the day on Sunday

Notgrownup: that's why I live where I do, no interfering mums . No work this way which is a bit crap. Just the lifestyle really. Couldn't afford to do it in the UK (usual expat story) and (sorry VQ) Scotland was just a bit too rough to consider weather-wise. Cheeses are good, but I can't eat a lot of them at the moment because the nice ones are unpasturised. I miss Sunday pub lunches much more though! Oh yes, I recommend reins for runners. Great invention.

VQ: hope the family perks up soon. Lots of nasties going around at the minute. Liberal spreading of paracetamol to one and all [xmas twinkly fairy doctor].

BFG I you. The Sth of Fr is a beautiful place (and the rugby teams ) and dont blame you at all. If I had the money I would run away there or to Devon, Cornwall way. I can day dream.

Valium is DD old enough for Echinacea? It might help her get over cold bugs quicker.

You live in a nice place though Pidj.

I live next to the ship canal and crapped myself last night when I heard the blardy ducks flying over at 10.30!!

There aren't any interfering mums here either, nosey neighbours but I dont mind.

My interfering mum lives up the road MIL is just fab, and i haven't met enough local mums to know if they'll interfere or not - i think I'm confident enough in my choices to fend most things off!

Been browsing the alva website letting dp choose nappies. We want denim, football, cow and more transport

My mum has just been round. Shes impressed with all the nappies we can get nowadays. Me and our kid were in terries.

Im the oldest new mum on the block at 31!! and probably at school.

IL are like Marfright.

I'm also 31, not sure if I'm older or younger, this is a very, erm, mixed area iyswim...

I'm 35 and definately old compared to all the French mums, though the English mums all tend to be 35+. I'm still the only one who does fluff though <nutter>. Works well for us though, especially since the wood burner's been going. Stuff dries o/n no problem.

I forget how old I am and still think sometimes Im still in my 20's then Reality sets in. DH is 45 and until his ailments got worse didnt feel it either.

Ill be 32 in Jan.

I signed up for some of the product tests on here and the first sample arrived today

Mixed area sounds interesting!

Its a big council estate with the ghetto (as my friend calls it) in the middle. She lives right in the centre of it and tells me allsorts. Lots of pot smokers though, it stinks. And dodgy karaoke parties in the Summer.

I'm semi-rural, million pound houses with paddock and pool up the road from HA rabbit hutches. I'll be interested to see where fluff and slings fit in the social hierarchy and how many people i can piss off by not giving a shit

DP reckons cloth nappies are middle class. Apparently, the working classes are less likely to question the established norm, therefore wouldn't be aware of modern cloth as an option. Middle class people tend towards questioning and researching.

I shall be observing

He he mines a HA house. It was built after the war as an overflow estate. Small ish but solid. It does house the tracksuit and Pauls Boutique generation

Weve got lots of farmland alongside the canal so have places to explore with the boys. Mum grew up on the otherside of the estate and moved away when she met dad but nana stayed and is still here now! Where we were before this house was miles away and full of mould and damp and the LL wouldn't sort. Grr

I'd love to live on a barge or in a Bungalow by the sea.

Does dp not see fluff being of lentil weavery class? When Ive looked on some fluff FB pages some of the mums have seemed more yummy than slummy (me) mummies. I think thats why I dont fit in many places. Even the Sure Start Centre here has Mums coming from the more trendy/boho places of Manchester and they do look down their noses at those outside their clique.

Sil used fluff and is the least tie-dyed person ever. I'm pretty mainstream, at least on the surface. Imo it's just a choice i made about what product to use, like which pram/changing bag/babygrows etc!

Oh, and imo the fb cloth mums have more money than education sense. I steer clear, the frivolity makes me stabby. Bloody grown up disney fans

Do you think they call each other 'huni'?

Oooooooh It makes me grit my teeth when I hear that.

I use fluff as it is cute, im not leaving sposies in the bin stinking, no chemically gel stuff against their peachy bums and I was in them as a baby.

Im too thrifty cheapskate to get a top of the range pram and designer clothes etc. I'd put all ds2's clothes in boxes ready to give away then needed them so saved there

Obem is on next, i shouldn't watch it.

Worse - sexy mama they have a cock stabbing knife for when their useless husbands do something useless. They then fail to act on any sensible advice - like tell him not to be so useless - so they return for more poor-dearing with the following week with the same problem. It's more entertaining than 'stenders, i go play with them occasionally

Sexy mama - barforama. Men do try bless 'em. But to some its never enough.

Ive stopped looking at the pages I may throw my phone.

My head is really itchy. Better not be nits!!

How is the small person?

Small person will be sleeping in his own crib tonight!

Good luck! Teach 'em young!!

We all live is such different places. Interesting to read. From what I remember about Manchester it was full of trendy sorts. Not me at all - I'm much more of a slummy mummy. I think fluff is associated with dirty hippies here so definately people look down their noses a bit when they find out I use fluff.

We live in a fairly isolated place, but it's nice to have lots of animals around us and when DD comes, DS will have a little play-friend. I miss my sister and dad but not anyone else on my side of the family - it would be nice to have some family around to help more though. I'm still on sofa-rest . Starting to get me down now. I've just calculated if I give birth at the same gestation as DS, DD will be here mid-Jan!!!! Eeek. Better get those hospital bags packed soon...

I've not really discussed nappies much - I'm of the "this is my choice, get on with it" school of thought - but did have fun showing off at the group. I think they expected rubber pants and terries so got a surprise when i pulled out the minky with zoo animals on

Ds fed hourly 10-4 but was in his crib in between, then he did 4:30-6:30 in there. That reflects his sleep pattern on other nights when sleeping on us, so has been counted as a success. We had about 10 mins of yelling in the moses downstairs (with both parents right there) then change and feed and he went in the crib with barely a whimper!

Yep. Cholton and Disbury trendy mums use the Sure Start here. Those are the ones I mentioned earlier. where are you from bfg??

The stage of pg you're at is the bit I liked most. It was the last month that killed me.

Sounds like the basket thang is working. I had to get boy 3 to get used to it soon as with me having to sort the other beasties out. He looks way bigger than his birth weight. Did you get the Nippas?

Its -3 out this morning. Joy.

-3? Yikes!

Yes, sorry, they came yesterday. Very much appreciated, just need my rikkis to arrive now!

Off to get PidjChick made all official in a minute

Slightly delayed response to some of the chat, but I'm 30 (was 29 when baby biscuit was born) and I was the youngest in my nct group - so notgrown you are def not old! I'm in trendy lefty north London but there aren't as many fluffy bums around as you might think - lots of bugaboos though! (Including mine ) I think mums in London seem to be older than other places, people I know back in Wales seem to have kids younger.

What is all this about a cock stabbing knife?! PP have the new-mummy hormones / lack of sleep driven you over the edge?!

It's not mine

Oops sorry just re-read post - sorry!

DP is fab, i wouldn't take one if you paid me!

Ha ha biscuit
They've all got those carriage style prams round here with white whicker baskets on or the big German ones. Mines a double decker double thing which confusses people when they hear a new baby and see a one yr old. I have to tell them hes underneath ooh look at these new emoticons!!

Everything has gone super tits up today. Grr.

I Wales.

Bfing group contained 7 Maxi Cosi Pebbles plus ds in the stretchy

3 mums went away with sling meet details scribbled down

<packs soap box into changing bag>

I think there is nothing much else to do in Wales...
A pram with a wicker basket on?! Sounds like something from Mary Poppins, can't be very practical? V impressed by your fluff & sling evangelism PP, I am trying to convince pregnant SIL of the benefits of fluff! And if another baby comes along I will def be looking into slings, we had a borrowed baby bjorn and I never got on with it. The stretchy wrap ones look much cosier and more comfy.

Btw, DD's red bum is clearing up nicely with sudocrem for now, I didn't get round to trying the egg White. I did google it and found some comments that it wasnt recommended for under 1s just in case they have an egg allergy. Thought I'd share in case any one else is thinking of trying it.

How are things in Scotland VQ you've gone quiet? V busy I imagine, hope all ok!

Baby bjorn and the ilk are shit, known as "crotch danglers" because of how the don't support the baby. You want to keep his legs in a W shape, the same as how they go when you splodge them on your chest

He he the frog position

Wales has sheep

And Rugby and the Pot Noodle Factory (so Ive been told)

Ive not seen any slings round ere either...

Give it up, give it up for the easy crew la la la la la....

Erm, I think the wicker things are Senator 3 in 1 wicker and leatherette. You'll have to Google the image.

Pram charms/clips are a big thing amongst the younger mums round here too.

What does everyone do for newborn sleeping arrangements? I'm in my usual paralysed state when I have to buy something <stingy>. I've just realised I don't have anything other than a large cot for future DD. I don't fancy getting up and heaving her in/out of cot every 30 minutes in the early days...but a little bit reluctant to do co-sleeping like I did last time. Even then, DS started out the evening in a little homemade cot thing (borrowed and totally crap).

Moses basket downstairs (£5 at nearly new sale) and my old crib in our bedroom. Could probably manage with just the moses, tbh

BFG nowt wrong with sticking them in a drawer. DS is co-sleeping at the moment, not through choice, but I am loving it really. He has a Moses basket (99p) and has been known to sleep in his PnT Coccoon. In the day he mostly sleeps on his (very safe) changing mat.

Both girls have been ill, and just coming out the other side. DS has a horrid cold with bunged up nose and phlegm at the back of his throat resulting in a cough.

I am 43 and older than some of the grandmothers at the school gate. We live in a small village not far from Stirling, and there is a posh bit and a deprived bit with lots of drugs and alcohol problems. All the kids mix at school which makes for some interesting situations. There is one mega posh lady who has a icandy pram, with 'Peytons carriage' written on the side, and lots of poncy pram charms, and the poor little sod has a hairband.

That's what DH says I should VQ . I think I'll try and get a moses basket, though not in France cos they're sodding dear here. I think newborns sleep better in those cosier, enclosed things. Pour J - rotten having a cold so young. Hope he gets over it soon.

Funny, around these parts it's really aspirational to have things like mega-expensive prams. All the new mums have them (600-1000 euros no less ) even when they're earning pitance which I find quite sad (I feel sorry they feel they have to spend that much). Then I career around in second hand nearly all the time...I definately get the look-down-nose response. All good to challenge stereotypes and the status quo. I felt like that when I bf too - lots of interest and questions. The only other public bfer was a hippie selling goats' cheese on the market. My elderly neighbour was disgusted and shuddered at the thought of being served the cheese smothered in bm .

Daves got boy2's moses basket with a lambskin in. I shrank it though. Dick. In the day he sleeps in a travel cot downstairs. Again was boy2's. and that'll be in the back garden in the Summer.

All his clothes were boy2's and the buggy is a Hauck Duette which cost £340 with the carseat. It looks like a Britax B/Dual but I couldn't afford it.

I shudder at Goats Cheese BFG. You are the French un-lentil weaver

VQ are you OK? What a carry on you've had over the past couple if months with bugs and shit.

I watched a documentary with Ross Kemp is Glasgow and the drink problem there. Wow. I used to live in Eccles in Manc and that was just as bad but mixed with E heads and the rest. I think its in every town/city over here though now.

I saw a pram with a personalised number plate with the baby's name! Seriously. It was attached to the basket underneath. Why, why?! Havent spotted any pram charms yet... BFG I can't believe the French are so anti bf, its so sad. hmmm maybe your neighbour thought the hippy was actually making cheese from breast milk...! There was an ice cream shop in London that apparently made ice cream from breast milk in the summer, it was in the news, I'm pretty sure it got stopped, need to have a google and find out what happened to it.

Dd slept in Moses basket for about 6 weeks, she slept ok in there, it was nice and cosy, and in her pram usually or on my lap inthe day. She never slept well in the cot and we were co sleeping every night by about 4 months in. She is feeding and snoozing on my lap now

Ahh, a well behaved little biscuit. I think I'll get DH to see if he can fix our cot to the side of the bed a bit. I've never seen how it really is co-sleeping tbh - you are sharing the same bed-space I suppose but the baby isn't near your warmth. I've pretty much decided on getting a moses basket. I'll have to get it sent from the UK - courrier service is 15 quid plus 40/50 quid for the basket. Cheaper than buying and delivering within France - crazy.

Any ideas of solidifying up poo? DS does sticky splats. I'm poo-hardy but I wish they were easy roll-offs. Save me a bit of swearing in the loo.

My health visitor used cloth so much for all the "hv's are the enemy" stuff, round here they're fab!

My rikkis arrived today, he now has a panda bum and will later have a jungle bum and then an ocean bum. They're a bit big but I'm hoping they're as bomb proof as I've heard as my minky Alvas have been compression wicking in the crotch (time to move on from Tiny Baby sized vests, hurrah!)

BFG, do you want a moses basket ffp in a few months? I bought it a new mattress but he hardland iirc you're due in April? So chances are we'll have finished with it by then...

J been in hospital with bronchiolitis. Still not well. Worried mummy. Should start getting better from tomorrow.

<<<hug>>> VQ &

Thank you. He is asleep in his cot though, which is a bonus. Muggins is on the floor next to him. He has his movement monitor but I have to be near him. Sometimes he sounds so peaceful, then the cough starts and you think he is going to expire. Anyway must sleep as he is.

To J VQ and for you. What next?? Hope you'll both be back to good health soon.

Our HV is great too. Just some of them are a bit grr.

Dave seems to be either having some form if sleep regression or the patterns are changing again. Hes just fussy when I put him down to sleep. Started yesterday.

Im going to get him some more nappies for Xmas. Is that daft? Hes too young for much else.

I remember the BM ice cream biscuit. Funny.

I had the get a new Xmas tree just now, the other one wouldn't stand up properly even with added parcel tape.

Thank chuff for online shopping!!

Gosh poor, poor little J. I really hope things start looking up for him asap. You must be so worried. Eat (if you can) and remember, you will get through this. I guess it started off with that little cold.

Thanks for the moses basket offer Pidj, it will be too late I think though. ALthough I'm due in March, if this one comes at the same gestation as DS I'll be needing it mid-Jan!!! I'm panicking ever so slightly and planning to buy up ebay (still cheaper to buy in UK and pay 15 quid courrier delivery than buy + deliver in France, crazy). I'm packing bags this week .

I can't see my little tiddler growing out of it by then

Hope VQ and J are ok this morning

Poor little J, VQ you must be stressed and exhausted, you've been through the mill with this one - thinking of you, really hope he is lots better soon.

Notgrown up, baby biscuit's sleep regression started at 4 months and has not stopped a year later so watch out! last night she went to sleep at 9.45pm...

Ha ha biscuit chubby is 13m and just grown out of night feeds.

Thinking of ya VQ.

BFG you have a choice of two, if you are happy to pay postage. Not planning a trip just yet. Would need to wait until the kids are well enough. Slight improvement in J this evening hopefully, after having a dreadful night and day. I wish he had been kept in but he was like this when they discharged him..

Anyway, there is a softish close weaved basket, or a really solid one which is like a cane chair with a fairly open weave. I will need to find the covers and hood plastic. The soft one has a handle that is splitting, but I would never carry a child in one anyway. They have both been well used, but could do another few kids. I can include the mattress. You can have both if you want! If you can pm me your email some time, I can send pics.

How is J this morning? Hopefully, he slept a bit last night.

Thanks for the offer - I'll PM you

Mornin all. Just bought some new Alvas and they're selling fast.

Do you need anything else bfg?

Hows J today Valium? And you and yours Pp and Biscuit??

Im trying to get baby settling for the night at an earlier time than 10.30 so ive kept him awake a bit longer and woke him earlier. Hes only napping 30mins at a time though but doesn't seem grumpy with it.

Morning all

Today will mostly be spent convincing PidjChick that the world won't end if he sleeps in his crib. Dp and i are sleeping in shifts with him on us, it's getting silly and I'm determined to help him learn that little bit of independence now. He gets picked up and fed/winded/nappy changed as soon as he so much as whimpers unless I'm in the loo when he has to wait and we're making gradual progress - 35 minutes of waving his hand in front of his face in fascination this morning!

Pidj, he sounds just wonderful. Can't wait for my snuggly little chest sleeper to come (actually, yes I can wait!!!). How are the fluffs going?

Notgrown up - I remember those 30 naps - so fustrating! It's equivalent to one sleep cycle or something isn't it? Definately a sleep regression thing. It's almost like they just can't switch off properly. Weird really.

Yeah, iirc sleep cycles are 30-45mins. He'll sort himself out.

Pate and chocolate for lunch.

Sounds like you are on the right track to sleeping independence pp.

Got the new tree coming at some point today too. Ill stick a note on the door for the courier just in case they show when im picking bossy boots up.

We're on a 2 hour feed nappy sleep cycle. Loving the pockets stuffed with prefolds, more just arrived - poor Jim the postie got an eyeful as i waddled over still feeding

at the postie - I've done that one before!!!

There was a small head in the way, nothing too bad on display

Porridge with raisins and sugar is healthy lunch, right?

The postie caught me expressing today. I have had to to relieve some pressure. J seems a smidgen better today, although the coughing is hideous.

I was in the bath when the postie banged on the door, had bubbled all over my feet by the time id found my house coat and legged it to the door.

Glad to hear hes feeling a bit better, hopefully not toooo long now before hes well.

Mmmm porridge and raisins. Yum. And of course healthy!!

Bwahahahahahahaha

Dp dished up dinner (he did his awesome mash to go with the stew i put in earlier) while i changed R's wet nappy. He'd just brought me mine when it became clear that another clean bum would be required...

And got the nearest we've come to a poosplosion

Bwahahahahahahahaha

And i got to eat a hot dinner using both hands!

Mmmmm stew and mash. I havent a tube of glue what im going to make today. It will involve chicken. And maybe all purpose seasoning and actifry spicy wedges.

Im covered in dried figs. Thanks chubby.

Alvas have been dispatched and they'd sold out of the Spiderman ones. Booooooo.

Im crap at mash. Lumpy.

Me too which is why it's dp's job. Ditto yorkshire puddings

I think lamb burgers and dal or cous cous tonight

Mmm Lamb Burgers! Ill coat the chicken in the seasoning fry with veg and add tinned toms. I get the prep done at this time when the babies are asleep.

Is it snowing where you lot are? Its raining, cold and can see the snow in the sky.

How do you (or dp) make the Dal?

Raining i think, but my heating's playing silly buggers so we're curled up in the living room with the fire on!

1 mug yellow split peas, 1 tin chick peas, 3 mugs water, 5 tsp various relevant spices eg cumin, curry, paprika, ginger, coriander, turmeric. Slow cooker 3+ hours.

Excellent I have them things! It sounds fit.

My concoction was lush. Chubby chops ate all his which isn't a surprise and ds1 didn't like it which isn't new.

Alvas shipped today, how long did they take to arrive VQ?

About 3 weeks if coming from china. Worth it though.

Having a dreadful time with J. He seems a bit better this afternoon, but he tends to be worse at night, as do they all.

Thanks, 3 weeks is good for me.

What about a humidifier for the room at night? When chubby was 10 days he got a horrendous chest infection and that seemed to help ease it.

What treatment did the hospital give him?

Have you got any help apart from DH?

Need to think about a humidifier. Have never had one. Dehumidifiers yes.

My mum is near, but she is 70 and a bit batty.

The hospital just assessed him by looking at him once every six hours for two seconds, waiting until he was asleep. He was hooked up to a monitor that kept alarming and nobody took a blind bit of notice of. His snot was sucked out and tested, hence diagnosis. Only took 10 minutes for results which was good. I felt happier there in case something happened. They sent him home before it peaked and was very scary. He seems a bit better today. Here's hoping.

Kids aside, how do you feel?

What have they recommended you do?

If only you lived round 'ere. You could courier the girls here

PS. My humidifier is from Argos. Its the Vicks one.

They are not cheap! Will look at reviews on amazon. Thanks.

I am ok. It is harder at night as DH is as much use as a chocolate teaspoon after bedtime. Last night jumping out of a window seemed like possibly a good idea for the briefest on moments, so I woke DH and told him this. He was then quite helpful. Last night he had two grand feeds and puked them back. He was then feeding all night until about six. Thankfully DH got the girls up so I got a couple of hours sleep.

He has had a better day and is asleep in cot next to me so please God we will have a better night. He has been smiling and alert tonight which has been lovely. He has also drunk enough to sink a small battleship. I also pray that stays down.

He is 6 weeks today. My first slept through at this point so I was spoiled. The second was sleeping through at 7 weeks.

His illness has been very scary. I know there are so many other things that are worse, but breathing is right up there in the list of important things, and watching your baby in pain and clearly very frightened takes its toll.

I am very grateful for my friends on MINUTE x

M N! Fucking autocorrect! Not MINUTE! Grr!

Autocorrect is fkn hilarious. It. And the green hearts.

6weeks? Shite, that had gone fast. Have you converted the cot into a co-sleeper stylee one?

What about wet towels on the radiator? That might 'moisten' (I hate that word) the air a bit.

I bet tired is an understatement for you at the mo. good time to stuff your gish with biscuits and cake.

You have been spoiled! Boy1 was 7wks when he did 7-7 but never slept in the day and now at the age if 4yrs has turned into a nightmare. Boy2 is now 13months and has just in the past month apart from the odd night started sleeping through and new boy is 12wks on Sunday and slept 10.30-8am but Im altering his naps/waking so he settles at an earlier time ready for when he goes in with boy2 (fatty) next year (and so I can have a couple of hours peace in the evening!).

Which wrap did you want? Velcro or studs? PM me your address and Ill send it when I can get out.

Whatever you do don't look at:

Www.alvababy.com or like them on FB

They have more prints!!!!!!!!!

VQ: you've probably felt like you've aged two years in the last few days. I attribute extra wrinkles and grey hairs to DS's early days .

Totally normal to feel a lack of control in the middle of the night esp with the illness stress (my DH finally got out of bed a couple of nights to help in similar situations). At least J's feeding well which is great if his breathing isn't tops (even if he pukes, some will be going in). THis is where bf is SOOO fantastic. You feel like you're doing something to really help and J will be suckling loads for comfort as well as fluids. He needs the comfort and you're providing it. Plus those mummy hormones will be helping you keep calmer and more relaxed. I bloody love bf.

It sounds like he's turned the corner now thank goodness. They return to being right-as-rain so quickly too.

If DH is useless at night, commandeer him for daytime shifts so you get some time to nap with J. You need to catch up on your sleep. Forget everything else. As Notgrownup says, make sure you do keep well fed and watered - you'll be needing it, it'll make you feel better too.

Hi ladies, can I join in? <waves at VQ> my DD3 is 3 weeks old today and we've just started using cloth.
Using mostly pocket nappies during the day, haven't done a night in cloth yet. Not sure what to use, I've got lollipop bamboo nappies, but do I keep that on all night or use pockets and change her like I've been doing with disposables?

Hi, Blue <waves> ds will be 3 weeks on Monday I get about 5-6 hours from a Lollipop/other random fitted overnight, but can also get the same from a prefold-stuffed pocket. He's more likely to cry than leak - my few leaks have been my/dp's errors eg vest to small rather than a nappy fail iyswim

notgrownup not converted the cot yet as we have it raised at the head. Not that the little cherub will sleep in it for more than 10 mins. Poppas please - will PM you, and sort the liners and fudge ASAP. Have you bought from that website? Looks awesome, but with dollars is it complicated? How much is postage? Lovely prints, and small baby nappies too apparently. Could cost money. Hmm.

BFG wise words. Thank you.

blue hello! <<waves back>>. DS was in a pocket (Alva) for 11 hours last night with no leaks. I had a bamboo booster in it and he seems to not poo at night any more. I did not want to move him as he is having coughing fits and has vomited the last few nights. He spent the night with a tit in his mouth, but is not yet back up to peeing for Scotland amounts. I usually use well boosted bamboo at night, and change at each feed to wake him up so he eats more. Once he sleeps longer, I am confident they will last.

Typical. He has just vommed just as I had typed he hadn't! He is improving slowly though.

I am tired beyond belief, but did at least rest last night.

Thanks for the advice! I guess it will have to be trial and error, will see how we get along tonight.

VQ we've got vomming here too, started using infacol again, but not sure whether it really helps.

Hi Blue. I was going to ask this your first baby, but then saw DD*3*. Congrats on your new daughter. It'll be fun finding out about fluff. I'm interested to hear how many of you are using AIOs/pockets with the newborns. I feel I'm missing a trick here.

Lovely prints, and small baby nappies too apparently. Could cost money. Hmm. Do I sense a spending splurge coming on VQ?? . Next month I have about 800 euros plopped into my bank account for the future DD....have itchy fingers at the thought.

Is there a lot of D and V going around at the moment or what? Poor little newbies. Hope it doesn't spread to the rest of the family.

BFG yes DD3 indeed, although I only have DD1 who's 4 and DD3 to cuddle as DD2 sadly is an angel baby. She died last year when I was 20 weeks pregnant. So DD3 is my precious rainbow baby
I'm using Tiny Nippers newborn pockets and Bumgenius XS. Got some Bitti Tutto Smalls, but they have a bit of leg gape still. She's 8lbs8oz now.

blue an extra booster would possibly rectify the leg gape.

BFG if I had to get rid of all my stash except one type, I would keep my Alvas. The new prints are lovely. I have also spotted a leopard. Might ask Santa.

6lb?oz ds is in btp Alva and Babyland cheapies, well stuffed they fit fine! I use a small prefold folded in thirds lengthways then doubled over at the willy end; they last 4+ hours, he'll be crying from dampness before they leak. I fold so the boosting is between his legs not up to the waist to make sure there's a nice snug fit there too. Think I'm doing it right I'll use a bigger prefold and add a booster if he starts weeing more in future.

VQ, I have a cheetah in poppers, mmao?

Hi Blue, welcome to the Fluff Side!!!! Bamboo all the way for me for my 2 through the night. But they piddle LOADS and fart lots too, my fault apparently. Thankfully neither of them poop through the night so I don't change them til the morning.

VQ, send the stuff when Mr Boy is better. Ive not bought anything yet from the Alva website, I just Googled them and that and the FB link came up so I 'liked' them (they might have random comps). I think the prices are the same on the site as on Ebay. I've spent my SMP for the month now and got Dave 9 new ones, really wanted the Spiderman one but it had sold out.

Im de-staining Daves newish baby poop stained items on the windowsil and even in this weather the UV is doing its trick, taking a bit longer but its not the end of the world. So the Cenabite has a nappy on his head!

I was at the school Christmas Fayre this afternoon at DS1's school. It was chaotic and got more strange looks from people wondering where the crying was coming from as when you look at the buggy you only see the older baby then have to get them to look underneath. Ha. I like confusing people.

Is anyone having problems viewing threads on an Iphone/Ipad? I cant flip the thread to read bottom upwards.

BFG, windfalls are always ace. Its free Worldwide shipping from Alva if that helps! The nappies are £3.99 and would work out at €4.95 ish.

OK - I'm getting sucked in. I'm building up a list of Alvas on ebay. They come with microfibre soakers. Are these fine or do you stuff with your own bamboo? Shall I order some bamboo soakers on top?

OK - spontaneous buy. I bought 1 newborn nappy in lavander and 1 tiger bamboo (DS loves tigers) to try plus a pair of leg warmers and 3 leggings. See how they are. If I like them I can always buy more at no shipping cost (can't believe it really). <sits on hands for next three weeks>

Mine came with microfibre inserts and sometimes eg before nap time ill stuff a bamboo booster in there too.

I love the look of the leggings too. The wetbags are good too. Small enough for about 3-4 nappies so good for a day out.

You bfg can be the tester of leggings

We managed from 11pm till 7am in lollipop bamboo, it was completely soaked through with an extra bamboo booster, but no leaks

That was good going blue. What wrap did you use?

<proudly sports legging tester badge>

Just the lollipop wrap.
Practical question, when you put dirty nappies in bucket, do you take out the boosters or leave them in?

I take them out before - better than sorting through a stinky bucket plus dp forgets

Do you all use buckets? I did to begin with as I was changing so often. Now though I just store them in the washing machine. I basically do a load a day and throw in some clothes too (does this make me scuzzy?). The Alva website says to wash at 30C - seems very low. What do you Alva users wash at (I think VQ said she washes all at 40C)?

Im lazy and leave them in, the cold rinse I do first gets rhem out. But, I think ill pull 'em out first as some stay in. I should fasten tge velcro in the wraps too.

I have an xl wetbag that lives downstairs, the night nappies get bunged in the bedroom laundry basket. I have a bin and mesh bags in the baby's room but that's more of a storage area at the moment tbh.

I wash at 40* and am a slattern bung everything in together

notgrown thank you for your patience.

BFG all the inserts are interchangeable. I use a microfibre on its own in the day, and if on a longer trip, or wanting it overnight, I am boosting with a bamboo booster. I like the LL ones, but I guess they are all the same. I have not tried the actual bamboo nappies, or the leg warmers or leggings, so I am keen to see what you think.

blue have you tried a fleece liner? Do lollipops have a built in fleece bit? It can help protect their little bottoms from wetness. I take the inserts out as I wash them daily but the pockets alternate days as they take different times to dry. You can put them all in the machine together, but I prefer to rinse out the poo first.

I wash at 40. I wash towels with them if I have any, but could not wash clothes with them as I like my softener. If I have pooey clothes they go through with the nappies, then again with the regular wash.

I use a bucket but have bags.

J is improving each day, thank The Lord. Still coughing but nowhere near as bad. He is getting more smiley too which is lovely.

I use fleece liners as well. I must admit today I didn't feel the fluffy love... maybe it's just because I'm tired and DD3 seems to be having a growth spurt and feeding constantly and not wanting to be put down... It all seemed so much fun before she was born, buying all the nappies and looking for bargains. Now it just seems a lot of work, washing, drying, stuffing...
Please tell me it will get better.

It has to, Blue, or you wouldn't have got as far as dd3

Dp puts the nappy wash on when he gets up for work, then i hang it out later while ds naps. Would that work for you?

I've put my first nappy wash on tonight, and just put them up to dry. But must admit she's in a disposable at the moment.
I told DH I didn't feel the love for reusables and he said well we've got them now so better use them... Maybe I will feel more positive about them tomorrow.

blue I find it is easier than washing the shit out of baby gros and bedding when the disposables leak right up their backs. Also easier than treating the horrid nappy rash that you can get with disposables. It is nicer in the summer seeing them on the line, and I find it helps to have a few pretty ones (shallow) when it is really hard, I have a little holiday, but soon miss them. I also find it helpful mentally adding up 15p per nappy used, as that is the saving roughly. Also wipes if you use washable ones, plus the creams... It is a lot honest.

When the kids are ill, I use disposables, but at the moment with J ill, I really wanted to keep him in them. DD2 is in disposables though temporarily as I could not cope with washing hers too. Except at night as there is not a disposable made that can contain her pee.

VQ yes I do use reusable wipes, which I love, I've been using them for DD1 since September. So I might need done time to get used to the nappies. Maybe it's just because it is all new and I'm so used to disposables. They seem like the easy option.

VQ that small person of yours needs to be back to normal first before there's any fudge shenanigans going in

Blue, sounds like you need a brew and some time out on your own. Even if its for an hour whilst baba's asleep and everyone else is in bed ir wherever. Rant at us if you want, about anything!

Ds2 has today discovered how to climb on the sofa and ds1's chair. He's gonna be one to watch I think. I need more eyes. His bum rash is bleeding, he gets alot of rashes and Ive been using dufferent detergents so its not that or the bath stuff. He does have eczema on his arms and round his eyes and mouth, might be that but getting aggrevated by his toddler topics and wee.

Huggies cease in the new year too.

Blue, it takes a while to get used to the fluff fit and develop a routine around nappy changing etc. I found in the early days it was easier with poo because so often after a nappy change DS would have a poo - all I needed to do with the fluff was change the liner (sometimes it would spill onto the nappy and I'd be swearing!) rather than throwing a perfect good but pooey sposie away.

But I didn't use them very early on when I was overwhelmed with it all and always had some sposies handy just in case the nappies weren't dry/couldn't be bothered. I took the attitude the more fluff the better, but it doesn't have to be exclusive. If you're only washing 10 nappies in 2 days it may seem less overwhelming?

Agree - buying is much more fun! No one seems to appreciate the effort I go to to have nice, lovely, clean nappies [grrr].

Feeling a bit more positive today! Like you said the more fluff the better!
It is indeed slightly overwhelming and we don't really have any routines in place atm...
But she's in fluff today!

notgrown poor little bottom

blue well done

DD2 is vomming everywhere and has a high temp. Not impressed.

The only routine worth having (in my asylum anyway) is one for sleep.

You sound alot better today blue. Did you manage any sleep?

VQ, thanks. Ive mixed Daktacourt and Vaseline and slapped it on, seems to be working. Bloody Bear Grylls in training. Hows J today?

Im on my first period in 2 years and had been using fannypads that I had left over from birth and im in bits. Me poor bits are really sore, I think im having some reaction to the gel/plastic in. Ouch! Have now chucked them.

Has anyone bothered getting dressed today? It shouldn't be allowed in Sunday!

No way, just re-read! Dd2! No!! Is that the senior wearer of fluff?

It is. Not impressed at all. J seems a bit brighter but it is still vomming after milk a couple of times a day. Seems it might be another sodding bug with DD as she has a high temp. Please Lord DS will not get that too <<considers running away and joining the circus>>

Double shit. Have you got enough handgel?

Poor DD2 VQ and poor old you - one thing after the next. Hope she starts feeling better soon. Really hope J is spared. Can you keep them apart a bit? We've yet to experience D&V in our household. Be, erm, interesting when it does come...

Notgrownup - you could always buy the reususable pads - what did we christen them again?

Yes managed a bit more sleep. Went to bed at 10.30pm and L's first feed was 2.30am! and then 5ish I think...
We're bedsharing, as I love having her close to cuddle she doesn't like being put down in her Moses basket...
Contemplating buying a bedside co sleeper cot if it fits in between my bed and the wall...

*VQv hope DD2 feels better soon!

Wow - you do have a well-trained baby Blue. Just when did mine lose the baby book? I'm planning the next will have mislayed it too - if she remembers it so much better!

During the day she feeds roughly every 2 hours though! And likes being held, so not a lot of time to do house work...
The sling is my friend! Although I woke up with terrible lower back pain today...
I should probably put her down more in her Moses basket though, just don't like her crying and I probably give in too quickly, but I'm just doing what I think is best, but not always easy.

Yikes, Blue, we're still 2-3 hourly over night! (20 days) luckily dp tries to have him on his chest for a few hours so i get some rest at least.

I got a mai tei from ebay for 99p today, the seller was local so we collected, they were lovely and we stayed for a cuppa and a chinwag! So i now have a sling collection to go with my fluff collection

Hello everyone, just checking in quickly as it's been a while - about all the d&v and sore bums, and poor baby J, glad he's on the mend. And hello blue welcome, hope you're starting to love the fluff! Got to run but back soon for proper catch up I miss this thread when I don't have time to check it! Festive for everyone!

purple I bet it was a one off though
The thing is the nights aren't too bad because I have her right next to me. DH is planning on sleeping in the spare bed though on the nights before he has to get up early for work... I don't mind, means more bed for me and Lotta
Should put her down now and wrap the Christmas presents to go under the tree...

I cant remember but we came up with some right daft things. Its really sore even round my poop shoot.

Pussypads? I hate that name for a Fanjo. Haha FanjoFluff??

99p?!?! Bargain! You go PP. I got myself a Lifft sling for £12 BN the other day, its meant to not hurt as much and am expecting bugs and that soon so will need it! I a good bargain.

He he Ive got DS1 using fluff on his teddies. We play babies, its cute bless him.

Pidj at your outrageous bargins!!!!

Blue - DS was just like that day and night! I never let him down either and he never suffered runs away from me at top speed and loves dh/dog more than me. Lotta is a really sweet name btw. Slings can be bitches for backs though, so watch out.

How's J this morning VQ. Hope things are looking up .

Grrr L is such a heavy wetter due to the very regular feeds
On our second nappy change and complete outfit change due to leaks.
I'm boosting with 1 microfiber and 1 bamboo... Anything else I can use? Hemp, charcoal? I really want this to work, but atm feeling down again as it won't work out cheaper with all the extra washing on top...

R can't out-pee a doubled up folded prefold in a pocket, try that? Quite bulky but that's not really a problem on an immobile new born. I reckon by the time he gets to rolling/crawling, the bulk will be in proportion with his size anyway though. Even the bigger size i haven't needed yet

Little Lambs and Lollipops fitteds with Mio or ME Rikki wraps are bomb proof, too

Silver lining of wall to wall vomiting is the nappies are not so full <<clutching at straws>>

DD2 a bit better. Last night was a joke. DS still puking a couple of full feeds a day. I slept in milk last night, but DH slept in toddler vomit and 6yo piss, so think I got off a bit better or should I say we would have slept given a chance.

I have the three most beautiful children in the world and I am very happy <<clearly insanity is setting in>>

Wow VQ, you did get off light! Ha.

Looking at their faces though makes the mess not matter.

Ive welled up this week looking at my lot and makes me realise even more how lucky I am.

At least you've not lost your sense of humour

I remember when DH had his Colostomy and we both got D&V. The bag burst of and it was everywhere.

Oh the joys of Winter weather!

How are you feeling Blue? How often are you changing her? The boys need changing every 3 hours ish in the day, sometimes more often.

Exploding colostomy bag. Poor you both!

We are all in bed already. Everyone asleep except me. DS is in his cot by the bed but I cannot settle. I should be pleased and asleep!

VQ you are doing amazingly - supermummy! Hope you get off to sleep soon, a cocoa or hot milk and digestive biscuits always do it for me (hence the crumbs!) - I'm such an old woman.

blue sorry no helpful suggestions for newborns here, I didn't start using cloth on my DD til she was nearly a year. I do find 2-part fitteds boosted with LL bamboo to be the most absorbent thing inhave but pp's prefolds sound good. I change her every 2-3 hours now at 16 months, I think she's a big wee-er and she still has loads of milk. I also just re-read some of the thread and I'm so sorry for the loss of your dd2 dd1 and 3 must be even more precious to you.

notgrown I hope your DH is doing brtter now - sounds like the kind of situation where you cry at the time and only laugh about it several years weeks later...

We've just had a horrendous run of nights where DD has been up til 9 or 10pm, I've been going crazy, esp as DH never gets home from work before 10 and so I'm desperate for my evenings in peace. Cut down dramatically on naps and yesterday she was asleep at 8 and she is asleep on me now... Just about to brave the transfer to her bed - pleeeaaaaasssse don't wake up baby biscuit....

Think I'm going to take a fluff break
Just can't be bothered with it atm, disposables are so much more convenient...
Feel quite sad about it though... Won't sell my stash just yet, might give it another go when she's chunked up a bit...

We were laughing about it the next day. I was on the toilet with my head over the bath then had to get off the toilet for dh to barf in.

VQ you are Supermummy. There comes a point where getting covered in human matter doesnt matter anymore. Will you be laughing at dh covered in kiddy matter? Hopefully this is the worst of it now and you can get on, even leave the house!

Blue, thats always good that the chubbing up is going well. Are you getting any sleep in the day??

How did the moving of the biscuit go??

Been busy with over night visitors the past week so no sleep during day... should try and have a nap indeed!
Will put the fluff away until after Xmas and try again then and see how it goes!

No wonder you've not been feeling in the mood! As much as its great having visitors its nice to have your own space kind of thing.

My family lives in Belgium so they've been visiting to see L. One more lot to arrive in boxing day, sister and BIL and my godson.

VQ you're a star, you've been through all sorts the last few weeks!

Biscuit, yes they're very precious, hence wanting the best for them and wanting to use cloth for example, but now that that seems such an effort, i think i should just enjoy and try not to feel bad about it. She'll be loved as much in a disposable!

Morin, how did everyone sleep? Ok-ish here thankfully, just pg insomnia. Glad you can all find the humour in dark situations. Much better to laugh than cry!

Biscuit - my DS just did a phase of that. He now sleeps in own proper bed and I sit with him. Last night was first night in ages I just left him to self-settle.

Blue - I forbit you from selling your stash <waves finger>. At about 5 months I gave up and didn't start reusing til 1y+ and I'm so glad I kept it all. I use fluff all the time now except night times and at CM. Chubbing makes a huge difference to fit (my DS didn't fit anything til 2 months as he was an ickle prem).

Blue, I work for a Belgian coffee blender/distributor.

Mmmmm Speculoos.

You're sounding better by the day yeah, try again in a few months, they've got you for a mum and thats what counts!

Sleep? Ds2 bangs his head in his cot and was at it fir hours last night. 2am he fell asleep then woke an hour after then newboy woke at 4.15 ( usual time now) to be fed and now waiting for the eldest to get dressed whilst me and dh laugh at his whinging. Calpol and lots of teething gel tonight i think!

-4 out this morning! Wowsers!

How did BabyBiscuit get on?

BFG, did you get any sleep? Do you feel ok?

VQ, how are you n yours?

We had speculoos last week for Sinterklaas!
I'm enjoying my Belgian chocolate again, my family always brings me a whole load when they come over, never lasts long!

It is freezing out there! Kept L nice and snug in her snowsuit in the sling.

Where do you live Blue?

We used to scoff damaged boxes of Speculoos and Biscotti all washed down with Lattes made by my fair hand. Have you tried the Lotus spread? Iirc you can only get it in Belgium.

Dont babies look cute in Snowsuits?

Operation baby to bed was successful, but she then still woke every 2 hours or so all night... Hmmm.... Now she is asleep on my lap again....

Mhmmm now I want chocolate and biscotti for lunch!

Agree with BFG's advice / finger wagging all is not lost ifyouhave a few weeks or months off the fluff, it won't do dd any harm!

We live near Wolverhampton.
I don't particularly like the Lotus speculoos, the spread is nice though, we've introduced that to our friends and now my family needs to import it every time they come over...
I've spent all morning on the sofa with L on top of me, either sleeping or drinking. Should wrap some more presents and tidy the kitchen

Some of works engineers live in Wolverhampton.

Leave the kitchen! Ive not done mine today but tge mess that comes with making tea will ensure I do it later!

Work did their own brand Speculoos, they are in black sachets with silver writing in if you had them in Belgium.

Hey Biscuit, sounds like your operation is gonna work! Operation Bedtime Biscuit!

What is speculoos?! I am intrigued (tho could prob just google )

What shall I do about nappies over Xmas - we are driving down to DH's parents Xmas day, staying over, then going straight on to my parents on boxing day. I don't have a big enough wetbag, could I just put the Xmas day nappies in a big binbag and take them to my parents? Or wash at in laws on Christmas day night after DD asleep, even though there will only be 5 or 6 nappies ? Or just use disposables - we use them at night anyway? Any thoughts ?

Tbh, disposables. When mum has the boys she uses them. You'll prob be coming back with presents and stuff anyway and one less bag...

Speculoos are a Belgian coffee biscuit that are thin, crispy and taste if ginger and cinnamon. You can get the Lotus ones in Asda. If you go out for coffee and get biscuits with them in red wrapping they're the lotus ones. White and green will be branded Puro and black and silver Miko. Mmmmmmmmmm.

Anyone know what this could be? Ds2 has what looks like a blood blister on his bum cheek. He is teething again too.

I have an xl wetbag that holds a days worth. We're off to the in laws Xmas day then friends after, so I'll probably wash Xmas eve and boxing day and just rely on being allowed to use the machine wherever we are at the time - but then, we're visiting the kind of people we can ask that of. If we were visiting anywhere more, erm, formal, I'd use sposies (and will take supplies just in case!)

Guess everyone is ill/caring for ill ones. The thread has dropped off my active list, so remarking my place.

I've been sharking around on some other threads . Still sitting on my arse most of the day, trying to avoid eating more Xmas chocolates. I've put on 10kg over six months - I nearly fainted when I found out. Trying not to worry though, it'll all come back off easy enough....--famous last words--

Ive got food poisoning. So has DH. But we cant think what from as the kids dont have it and they mostly eat what we do so can only think its from cake, chocolate or coffee.

It hurts! But on the plus side I might lose a few pounds! I was 14-16 pre preg and am now 20. Its only a couple of stone but my god its in the middle and ive still no arse!!!!!!!

Ds2 had a blood blister on his bum cheek that has burst so im keeping an eye on it. Could it be the wee? Hes teething and has me up all night banging his head on his cot. Thank chuff new boy sleeps!

Were camped out upstairs so i can be near the toilet.

Non of us are getting dressed today!!!

We're ok, just getting used to this parenting malarkey! Dp's just gone to meet a mate for coffee, the mate has some weekend work for dp so it's kind of an interview too. The work is abroad, which sucks, but is very well paid, which rocks. It'd be brilliant for dp too, his soul is slowly being sucked out by his current job and he needs the ego boost of something that matches what he's worth.

R is snuggly and squishy and fab

I love squishy little people.

Mums has taken the eldest til 2moro. The cramps are like early labour. Dh says to have some of his Meptid but Im not, ill try and stick it out.

What does your dp do for his work? Sounds like the menfolk are feeling really down on their current jobs. Dh is too.

So sorry to hear about the food poisoning Notgrownup. Pretty awful just before Xmas when there's so much to do.

Glad things are going well Pidj - you're clearly a natural mum . I think you're bf aren't you? How's that panning out?

I wonder how VQ and Biscuit are doing?

Some of the reason we live where we do was job disillusionment. Sometimes you have to follow your heart to be happy.

IT/sales but he has chavvy twat colleagues and a culture of bullying. He finds it very hard to keep his mouth shut to bullies which just adds to his frustration

I'm good at filtering advice and taking the sensible stuff, does that make me a good mum? Still ebf and 4 weeks on Monday so I guess it's going ok! Still in cloth nappies too, against all the dire predictions

Hurrah for breaks, dp took R out in the mei tai for an hour earlier, I had a bath in peace

Hi all, we're ok too, plodding along! Feeding baby biscuit to sleep as I type yes she is 16 months and looks about 3yo sigh

Poor Notgrownup food poisoning is vile. at you for managing to look on the bright side though! Glad your mum can help out. Hope you are better soon and tucking into the speculoos again soon

PP I think a good advice filtering ability is very important, even now I sometimes have to slap myself round the face occasionally and remind myself that just because babies x y and z are alleating/sleeping / whatever in a particular way, doesn't mean we have to too...

Think I will just use disposables for Xmas visits, can't be doing with carrying round bags of wet nappies, clean or dirty. I've got a mini-stash of some terry squares and a couple of old tots bots cotton fitteds I can use at my mum's if I feel like so it will really just be while we're at in laws. I do love all the relatives but wish we were just staying at home on Christmas day, just us. Next year! Even though I'm 30, married and a mum, cooking my own Christmas lunch seems really 'grown-up' - how daft am I ?!

Bath in peace? You cant even poop in peace in this house without a little voice "muuuuuuuuum a neeeeeed help". Grumble. Were your ears ringing with the silence?

Still cramping really bad but not been since before 6pm. Im hoping its not Norovirus and the kids dont get it.

Well, PP it sounds like you've this parenting thing sorted and sounds like you're doing a fab job!!

Bullying - no need. And working with chavs makes it even worse!! Twat is a great word. Does dp look quite the modern dad with R in the mei tai? Ive seen a sling wearer round here! Excellent.

How long have you been in France BFG?

Biscuit, theres nowt wrong with channeling your inner Nigella. Ill attempt to help mum with Christmas Dinner but we'll see.

Im so glad were not the 'my child was doing x by this age, is yours' kinda people. Whose babies all slept through from being born, eating roast dinners with a knife and fork by the age of 9m etc. Do any of you know people like that? I saw once 'baby led sleeping' its so true!

It was wonderful and awful in equal measures. I'll try and fb a pic at some point, my friend wants one for her sling consultancy website to show it's not just for girls. She reckons my dp is suitably macho... Need to get one of R wearing his Rudolph hat i finished today too

Twat, knobcheese, cuntweasel... All appropriate for his colleagues!

Love love love "baby-led sleeping" can't wait to use it next time someone asks the stupid question. Must practice my haughty sniff, as if it's the latest poncy parenting trend!

I saw the baby led sleeping thread - loved it - us to a T! Think it's in Classics , might go and have a read and a giggle now.

to having a poo in peace - babyb comes inthe bathroom with me and always tries to look down the loo, shouting 'Mummy wee! Poo!' Nice.

i would like to join in please ladies!! dd2 (hereafter known as squish) is in rusies and i currently have nobody around that is using them too. i know plenty who have, but their dcs are all potty trained now and so they arent all that interested in talking fluffy bottoms not that it stops me squish is a teeny weeny 6lb4 now (4wks old) and looks heavenly and extremely fat-bottomed in her teenyfits bless her.

6lb7 and 4 weeks on Monday currently in a btp ebay cheapie stuffed with a prefold and with the front panel winged out to make the legs fit!

Congratulations

Linky please Biscuit

were you early as well pidj? squish was 5 weeks early. due on tuesday congrats to you too!!!

Only 11 days, due a week last Friday

Ok question with a bit o background ladies.

DD - 19 Months. Average/chunky monkey sized.
DS - 6 weeks. Skiiiiinny teeeny baby. Just gone into newborn clothes.

TTC3 in 2 years. DD took IVF after 6 years ttc and DS natural suprise.

Heres my question can anyone recommend the cheapest way to try some cloth nappies. We are obviously spending loads on sposies. BUT i dont want to spend a lot of money as baby number 3 may never happen.

Have tried pop ins before on DD and they worked ok. Tried Itti's SIO but they were so tight on her even a medium and that was when she was only a few months old.

Any advice would be fab and i would ideally like nappies i could cross over between the two of them xx

www.thenappylady.co.uk/

Or look for a local nappy library?

alamaia Go for the Ebay cheapies, not the best but do what they should and it's a cheap way of trying them. Plus they are one size so can be used for both your children by just adjusting the front snaps.

If you get on with them you can than look into other brands and see what you like.

I've been using cloth since birth on my 7 month DD and have just found this thread btw

I've got cheapies - Alvababy and Babyland can be wiggled to fit my 4wo on the smallest setting

Wow, big hello to the newcomers. Nice to meet more fellow fluffers.

Congrats on your little squish Kentucky - she is a good size!. My DS (now a 10kg+ 21 mo) was born early too (33 weeks) but we weren't as organised as you. Fluff only really became a feature from about 2 months even though I'd bought a stash beforehand.

Lovely story Almaia - congrats on your little miracle too. I never got on with the itti bittis. I would either invest in nappies with good resale value so you can recoup the cost later. Or buy ebay cheapies/used fluff. Or a mix of the two of course. Probably not a good idea to buy a bundle though.

Hi Protege. What fluffs are you using?

those cheapies- are they any good? my friend wants to try some and you can get 7 babyland nappies on amazon for £18 delivered inc inserts. her boy is 1 (just) but is a beast and fits into 2+ clothes. if they are worth buying i will get some for her as she cant afford even that right now. LeBFG all of mine have been preemies- ds was earliest at 32 wks, then dd1 at 34 now my wee squish at 35. ds didnt get into newborn til he was 6 months bless him and i didnt start the fluffies til 8 months with him. i am not as organised as i seem since i already had them in the loft

Hi new fluff fans!

For trying out fluff I did the Fill Your Pants try cloth for £10 where you get 6 different nappies to try for 3 weeks, I found it really good for getting a feel for them. I mainly use bumbles by easy peasy nappies which I love, they fasten with a nippa and fit my DD well, she was pretty chunky when we started with cloth but now runs round and has slimmed down a bit but they still fit well. Havent tried eBay cheapies but Alvas seem v popular on here!

Just going to try and find the link for you PP...

Baby Led Sleeping

Here it is PP! And anyone else whose little bugger darling is merrily carving out their own sleep routine. Without much actual sleep.

DH has taken baby biscuit out for a walk/ play with some friends and I am home alone - utter bliss - going to hang out my nappy wash and then have a bath....

I use everything and anything.

Mostly fitted nappies such as dunknfluff, weenotions and holden's landing as my little one can pee for England but also pockets for when OH changes her. I love Itti's, such a snug fit which is great as i'm not a fan of the huge bum look.

I have a real thing for 'pretty' nappies and have a lot of custom one's.

Just got an amazing Lilo and Stitch one from Australia, it's amazing but cost way too much

Kentucky The ebay cheapies are great, didn't fit my little one until she was 12 weeks or so as she was very small and the legs used to leak but now she's bigger they are great.

The microfibre inserts they come with are not up to much so I buy them without inserts and then buy packs of Little Lamb bamboo boosters (also cheap on Ebay). 2 bamboo boosters in a pocket does my little one 5 hours and she is a heavy wetter so you could get away with one in each really as well.

Babylands stuffed with prefolds are bombproof on ds but i have to tug the loose ends up to get a good fit. They've got a lot of room for growth.

O/t but I've expressed 2oz/60ml. Is that loads or should i add to it in a bit? The bottle holds 5floz...

From memory they used to feed newborn DS with 50ml every three hours by the time he was ready to start bf. Dunno if that helps Pidj?

My DS wanted to but never could get his head around slings. He's very tall (6'4) and DS would sit too low on him, squashed into his chest. Any recommendations for man-slings? The ring-slings looked much more appropriate but they haven't got a great saftey record have they?

Kentucky - I'm currently 27 weeks with a daughter. I'm hoping to go a few weeks longer this time. I coped pretty OK the first time around in hospital, but not sure how I would do a second time tbh . I'm on full-time sofa duty getting fat . Did resting help you get further along in the second and third pg?

Oh, and Pidj, photo of rudolf hat please [fmsile]

Bfg, have you tried various soft structured carriers? Ergo, manduca, a mei tai? Ring slings are ok from 4 months, it's lying the baby down in them that can cause suffocation because their head's in their chest - same as car seats.

Pic on it's way, just need to finish this feed...

Done

You have to be careful adding freshly expressed milk purple I'm sure you know already but just in case, you can't add the 2oz just expressed to previously expressed milk unless you cool it to the same temperature first and it has to be within the same 24 hours x

We used it as a tester and gave it to him for lunch. Turns out he'll take a bottle fine as long as I'm not in the room! But that's fine because we only need him to do it when I'm at work (one evening per week term time only) and if dp wants to take him for a walk.

Next stop, dummies and self-settling

PS there's a pic on my profile of his new hat i made. Looking forward to seeing it poking out the top of the sling

Aww that's good, my little one still resists the bottle.

She will take it eventually but she has to be pretty starving, now she's on food it's easier though as I feed her before I leave and on my return she has a fruit snack in between to tide her over.

Works well as i'm never gone for more than 2-3 hours anyway.

PS. Just realised who you are as just spotted your stunning little one in his cute new hat on Facebook You made a wonderful blanket for my son a while ago

Ooh, now I'm intrigued! Am i allowed to know your previous name? I'm hopeless at remembering who's who between here and fb anyway without confusing things further...

Did i nearly buy some nappies off you a week or two back?

LeBFG i didnt rest with my last two really as with dd1 i had ds who was only 5 months when i conceived and with dd2 i had both the other two to walk back and forth to school with etc (that is in the next village which is a 3 mile walk from us) also i had obstetric cholestasis with all 3 from about 25 weeks onwards and that involved alot of hospital appointments- usually 3 per week in Inverness which is about 12 miles from here but as i dont drive it was a two buses/hour long journey each way and so took up alot of time and energy. my fault really for picking such a remote place to live really dh has been awesome but he works full time and so isnt always there to do the heavy lifting etc and tbh i have been doing plenty things i probably shouldnt have like moving furniture and lifting massive boxes etc. i have just been lucky the last 2 times and i know plenty of people who have gone full term after having preemies earlier than you so i guess what im saying is its luck of the draw really and you will either go early or you wont.

Oh gosh, been through 101 nicknames since then!

Yes you did, intials RB
Have just 'liked' your Facebook pic so that will narrow it down.

I'm hopeless as well with usernames, it was only when I read about the reindeer hat as i'd just seen it in Facebook and thought how cute.

Small (ish) world!

Groans... Will be back soon x fluffy hugs to all x

Love the photo Pidj - Pidj chick is sooo cute. You're so talented! I have an ergo carrier - will it do for newborns?

Wise words Kentucky. I'm wondering if all my lolling around is really going to make any difference. The midwife gets hysterical about the braxton hicks (I'm in France where they seem to sign people off work at the first sign of early-ish BH activity and deem cars the work of the devil ). I live in a remote place too - the hospital is 40mins away, one of the biggest downsides to being isolated. But I do drive (even though I'm not supposed to) so it is easier.

to all (wish it was wine).

Hello new peeps!

Ive liked yer Rudolf pic

Ive still got the 'ahem' and its the colour of baby poop!!! Oh joy.

Just finished strip washing the nappies and the cloth stuff in the drier and pockets on the maiden.

I cant open the BLS on me phurne so one shall fire up the craptop tomorrow and have a larf.

Daves just puked on me and laughed. Thanks son. Cant believe he's 13weeks. I was speaking to someone who had their baby the same week and shes weaning hers already as shes having 6oz every 2 hours in the day!

Im doing the little lamb booster thing too instead of the microfibre and getting a similar wear time as you! Maybe a bit less. Not tried more for overnight yet.

How often do you all stripwash?

Wow Pidj the hat is fantastic! He is gorgeous too.

I've also got LL bamboo boosters, use them in my mio solos which come with a microfibre insert and only getting 2 hrs wear! Maybe need to try 2 boosters not just 1. Was impressed with my MioSolos for about the first 2 months, then had leaks, then added boosters , now getting leaks again and as they were £11 each and I have 10! V annoying.

Haven't heard of holdens landing are they custom made ones?

notgrown I've been using cloth for 6 months and never strip washed! Argh - do I need to?

Yah. I try and do it everymonth but forget. Its to deep clean and get rid of any detergent build up etc. everytime ds2 teethes they start to honk and he gets a rash with it. Im so glad Ds3 is still having pre-weaned poops!!

You're all making me want more children!!!!

Biscuit, stripping may help improve the absorbency too.

Bfg, you'll need a newborn insert or s/he'll swim

Also following BLS here. Very funny thread. Thanks for link.

DS has started saving up his poos to a couple of times a day, and we have had leaks from sheer volume.

Are you all ok VQ?

Holdens Landing DO make custom made but most aren't. They make fitted nappie and are famous for their bedbug and bedbug plus fitteds which are THE most absorbant night time Malloy ever.

Even my 8 year old can't out pee them after 12 hours!

They are an American company but their night nappies crop up a lot on preloved.boards, especially CNT.

Stupid autocorrect!

Malloy should say nappy, how on earth did it get Malloy?

That sounds very interesting PM! I'll have to look into those.

PP what are you using for your prefolds?

Jut plain old Cotton Bottoms. They seem to be plenty for a new born, although I'm only using the small ones so far...

notgrown I think we are almost ok. DS had a horrid coughing fit last night and is very bunged up today. DD1 is not well either. I just hope he does not re-catch it.

Ffs. It doesn't stop does it? Hope you're all better bloody quick! Bet your fooked.

Thank Pp. when chubby pants grows out of the TB I need to find ways of wee proofing the pockets. The wraps are huge will just need to find something to go underneath.

Got ds1's Nativity tomorrow. I might cry!

VQ hope things keep getting better, hang in there, when im getting stressed my mum always tells me that if dd and I are both still alive at the the end of the day, it's been a successful day And so far you're all still here, so well done!

Has anyone tried Bum Deal nappies? Heard about them on one of the fb groups as a recommendation for a cheap wet bag and their patterned pocket nappies look cute and have had good reviews on a couple of sites. I'm thinking of trying one. £6.99 I think with microfibre inserts, how does that compare to Alva on eBay?

Enjoy the nativity notgrownup! Aaahhh bless him. How old is he?

Off to bed now (with book and biscuits )as dd has been asleep since 8.30! and only woken up once already

Alvas and Babyland are £4 something. Ditto Pixiepants

Fingers crossed for sleep tonight...

Fingers and bumcheeks crossed for you pp! He's soo cute!

He's 4 going on 40 biscuit. We get a constant running commentary real time with him all day everyday. Bless him, he hurts my head!

I shall look at the Pixies and Bum Deal on Ebay. Ive just listed 2 Soap and Glory gift sets so will be constantly checking!! Im very sad like that.

Took ds2 to the Drs about the headbanging and rocking today so have referred him to the Paed just to double check. He is the worst sleeper out the 3!!

Thanks all. I think bum deal sell alva nappies under a different name, marked up and charge a lot postage. Nice wet bags though.

The Pororo are Alva. Most of those prints are what Ive bought newboy for Xmas.

5 hours although my back hurts as it was on my chest...

5hours?! Excellent!!!!!!

The first time I slept through 5 hours (I remember it well) was when DS was 3.5mo. I'd almost given up bf through exhaustion...but that sleep made all the difference to my morale. You should be proud of little Pidjchick. What a good baby (came with the instruction manuel I see).

Just received my moses basket. Yeaaah. DS looks at it suspiciously, especially when I tell him his sister will sleep there. He won't put any teddy in it either!

Get well soon to all the ill people. Sending you some

VQ that's mighty cheeky of them! Huh forget that. just having a look at pixie pants on fb now.

Notgrownup - found you!

Pp good for you, 5 hrs! Dd used to sleep on my chest all the time, I got v good at constructing barricades of pillows round us so I could sleep too - leaving about 2 inches of bed for dh, oops.

Ps been meaning to share, dd loves putting nappies on her toys and its so cute! She gets down the miosolos (usually a pink one) spreads it out carefully, says 'nappy! Lie down!' to the toy, gets a wipe, wipes its bottom and then tries to do the nappy up! I usually have to help with that bit - and then, she shouts 'poo' and rips the nappy straight back off. It's hilarious. Soon she'll be able to change herself!

Fnar biscuit. I thought who's that? Then I remembered. I am a spanner

A friend text this morning, her fam have just got over Noro, were free for 2/3 days and its come back with a vengeance. What a mare!

Bum deal could bankrupt me. Niiiice nappies!!!

Ill take some pics of ds1s fluffed up, swaddled tedds. So cute.

Just tried boy3 in the Lifft and its either too small or Im not doing it right. But its very good on my back.

Whooyah for Moses basket BFG!! You enjoying the bump time still ??

Aww, bless, makes me almost wish PidChick was at that stage lies all lies

I might be starting a nappy library

I forgot to thank you Pidi for the insert tip. Currently bidding on an ebay one. Hope this solves DH's sling problem. If not, it gives me more options as I didn't find the moby great all the time tbh. I love how the new inserts support the hips and head of the newbie too.

Currently loving bump time. And Xmas. We're hosting for the first time ever - very grown up. DH will have to do most of the prep. I'll cook some of our own guinea fowl - yumm. Much better than turkey.

Made huge long list for bags (still not packed yet ) and did some buying today. I've packed the essentials (chocolate biscuits and hair bands) but no fluff in hospital too complicated to arrange as I've be locked in for over 4 days. Any other essential things?

They're only about £15 on the Ergo website

Yum, home-reared guinea fowl

I love my stretchy, but the mei tai is definitely easier to get on. Stretchy is more supportive so i use that if he'll be out in it, mei tai round the house for now. Looking into SSCs for dp to take him out for Forest walks in though, he's slowly coming round to the idea of ties over clips now he's seen the MT in rl...

Essentials for me: pants, comfy trousers, light cardi, vest tops, fluffy socks. Lucozade for labour, keep the bottle and top up with water after. Snacks so you're not starving when reliant on set hospital meal times. Some way of keeping the brain active while stuck lying around - book, smart phone (+ charger!) etc. Hairbrush, teatree oil, toothbrush+paste, deodorant.

For baby: 2 vests, 2 sleepsuits, hat, bootees, scratch mitts, nappies (my hospital specified sposies), cotton wool.

Thanks for the tip - in fact they're cheaper on the french website than the UK. Bonus!

I've bought some energy drinks (yes, already). I'm thinking about taking in my kindle - I remember the boredom from last time (10 days!). Good point about the charger...What about a nightgown? From memory, I was really hot! Perhaps a light one...oh the choices. I'm thinking about taking in a photo of DS to help me through labour - weird idea??! I'm going to buy some squeezy balls from the market tommorow too.

I have a lovely pile of prefolds I can't wait to use!

Ooh, are ergos also cheaper in euros?

I hate nighties so lived still do if i can get away with it in fleece jammie bottoms, vest and cardi. But it's whatever you feel comfortable in. I had 4 bags - small rucksack with stuff for labour like tens machine, nappy bag with baby stuff, bag of food, and big holdall for all the stuff i might want after.

Prefolds rubbed his stump and made it bleed, they were also too much faff in the middle of the night so we went to pockets and use the prefolds to stuff. Maybe angel folding with a 3 day old was a little ambitious

Loads of knickers - dark ones and dark pants. I bled everywhere, i could feel it running down my leg as soon as i stood up ( this was about an hour or so after).

The pic is a great idea, you could concentrate on him whilst your having contractions and breathing. I dont know what you'd call it but i focused on deep breaths in and deep breaths out but it helped.

Small portable or paper fan? Wigan hospital is the hottest hospital I have ever been in christ on a bike it was awful.

How do you start a Nappy Library PP? Its a great idea.

I live in my jamas too and only get dressed if I have to leave the house then put them back on as soon as i get home

Hi BFG, glad you and bump are ok. Good on you cooking Xmas lunch and your own birds too, wow, do have other animals too?

I remember being really hot inhospital so would say take nightie, thin cardi and dressing gown - mind you it was august! Definitely lots of snacks. Slippers and / or flip flops. I threw up throughout labour (24 hours) and lived on lucozade energy tablets. Will you def be 4 days even if it's all straightforward?

I don't know, I'm still figuring it out! Will probably piggyback onto the one in a nearby city - they technically cover my area but are only sporadically active 20-30 miles away. I've got my children's centre and bfing group interested, so have a venue and time to do a regular nappycino, just need nappies and advertising

Ritz crackers, cuppa soup and instant porridge were my best food packs. Lots of fresh and dried fruit to help the First Poo!

I also live in pjs and have been known to do the school run in them. They are black though. When one tit is out constantly it is pointless wearing anything else. And the chance to get dressed would be nice.

I put a prefold in a pocket today. I felt it was very stiff and bulky but worked well. I may yet be convinced.

Agree, can't get on with nighties. Just not sure I'll fit into PJs in the days after birth . Dried fruit, not thought of that. The average stay in hosptial is 4 days, longer for c-sections . If I go to term I may have to self-discharge <rebel>. On the upside, they provide great big pants like shorts with huge pads - great for that first night or two. After that, I've my own (sposie) pads .

Toddler squealing/moaning a lot today - grrr. Doin my head in.

Strangely, the carriers are more in euros - how weird.

Just ordered my first pretty cheapie pockets from Pixie Pants on Facebook! And a medium wet bag so if it gets here by Monday I may take real nappies to the inlaws after all. So excited to get the nappies! One minky with birds on and a pul with owls. Er so both birds then. But they look so pretty... And £14 for 2 nappies and a wet bag... It's a slippery slope, I blame you lot if I get addicted meanwhile, dh is still at work earning the cash to pay for them, oh dear

What are peoples thoughts of the bum deals custom nappies with the tails and ears, or the ruffles? They look like alva nappies with bits sewn on by a toddler

Ha ha biscuit I saw that.

Valium, i like the ones with tails on but I dont like ruffles and girly things so those ones aren't for me.

I wouldn't wear my onesie for the school run though. Its giraffe with a tail. I wear my dark jama pants to school.

Bfg, like Tena pants for women?

Cute but what's the point. Surely there are so few days where it's warm enough for just a nappy that it'd never get worn?

Dunno about tena pants, Notgrownup. Probably something very similar.

I quite liked the bum deals nappies actually. But on a photo in reality rather than in real life. THe ruffles are a bit OTT probably. I would prefer something a little more sober.

Now I am confused about whether the nappies I have bought from pixie pants are Alvas! They came today and are lovely and soft... BabyB already loves them, she said 'owls! Owls!' and put the owl one on her favourite bunny... The wet bag i have is the same print as the nappy in the middle in your fb pic notgrownup and I saw the rest of those prints on the pixie page too, so are they all Alvas? Are all these random people like bum deal etc selling the same nappies? Mine don't have a brand name label in, just washing instructions. Just curious really, are these small companies buying loads on eBay and just selling them on I wonder? But seems odd if they are the same price? <<head explodes at complexities of nappy sales market>>

VQ, I also think the ruffles and stuff a bit of a waste if no one sees them. Also maybe not very comfy if they make sort of lumps in the fabric when the baby is lying down(?) I saw some people putting the baby in 'baby legs' so you can see the nappy but I think it's a bit chilly for that this time of year. I like a vest poppered up underneath myself. Not for me. For baby biscuit. Although I am always cold so maybe it would be a good idea for me too

And now, she's asleep, so it's o'clock! Happy Friday everyone!

I assume they get them wholesale through someone like alibaba, pop a label in then mark them up a bit?

Yeah, thats how I think they do it. Theyre in the wash atm but Ill be really sad and take some pics of the care labels and tag you in them then you can check with yours.

Sad twat I am.

Ds1 has not stopped talking all day. Wow, I don't think he's paused for breath. Dh fell asleep with it and hes getting slapped on the head by ds1 to wake up as he is talking to him.

What do they do with you in hospital BFG to keep you in for 4 days?

Mornin all. Yawn. Didn't sleep well. Currently doing a big wash. I'm pleased at the moment with my nappies. The fleecy ones are amazingly still absorbant enough with a LL bamboo booster. They have little black pile dots of them from DH's socks and look a bit crap. Any ideas on how to remove the pile, apart from pinching the bits off one by one?

The 4 day stay is to make sure baby starts to put on weight, mum's boobs don't get too enormous (yes, they kept a friend in over a week because of her boobs), check infections etc. There are no midwife/HCP home visits (apart from one at 8 days - at least in my neck of the woods). C'est la vie....it's just a very different attitude to childbirth and postnatal management. The french are really shocked at the UK system. The think it's barbaric .

Sellotape

I thought i had the shopping under control, the sil texted dp with what she wants for her dc. We now have to tackle toys r us to spend £60 we don't really have. Sil has known for months what i bought, and approved

Bic razor.

That sounds alot more friendly than here. Although i was glad to be home several hours later it would've been nice to have stayed in at least overnight to bond with him just us two. We have our time 8-10pm when everyone else has gone to bed.

Pp, £60?! Bloody 'ell. Could you not say it had sold out and get them something cheaper ?

Ive tried and failed at wrapping today. Baby D has wanted me to himself all day so ill finish it tonight.

Got some handmade cushions being dropped off in a bit so no more pressies for these 3!

It's more that she knew i was getting organised early because of being due 30/11, then text dp this week to say what she wanted for the kids. If I'd known in October when i did my shopping, I'd have sorted it - asking now after appearing to approve my choices seems a bit rude! (7yo dniece has severe asd so lone parent sil is forgiven, just need to rant on here) anyway, we got what they want and a bit more, plus a few last bits for other people - made dp buy me a book I've wanted for ages, despite agreeing that we're going to go away in Feb as our pressies to each other. He doesn't know he's getting something from me yet

Managed 4 hours with ds in the stretchy, only curtailed things because we had a poosplosion in the Realeasy and i only had one Easyfit as a spare. Got home to more poo, think he's getting in the habit of pooing mid afternoon; I'll try and be better prepared next time!

If it makes you feel better Ive had to fish toddler poops out of the bath everyday for the past 2 days. Eurghh, stinky little sod.

How is he liking the wraps and mei tai?

Boy3 laughs at me each time I open a poopy nappy.

Im saving up for a sewing machine, any recommendations?

Loves both the stretchy and the mei tai - both dp and my mum have taken him out in the mt despite the buggy being available

We're visiting in laws then friends over Xmas, how bad would it be to ask to use a washing machine? (i have a thread on this too btw) I've got enough pockets and aios to last i think but it'll stink the car out on the way home if I'm not careful

I dont think its rude. You're not filling their bins with smelly nappies and it doesn't take up much time or owt to wash them and hang them up. Are you going to take your own detergent? I dont mind any guest using anything in this hovel house.

I tried baby in the Lifft and couldn't get him in right but chubby chops seemed to like it.

I'd sold my mt a month or so before the black stretchy, that didn't suit my back.

R's sleep is getting longer! Excellent!!

Glad people are sleeping better - so important a good, uninterrupted sleep.

Notgrownup - what sort of sewing machine are you looking for? I bought mine a few years ago from a really wonderful UK dealer/online shop. But hell, I can't find his details - will trawl through my emails later to see if I can find the name. Mine is a fairly cheap, multipurpose one - nothing heavy weight - but automatic threader etc and I LOVE it possibly more than DH.

When I washed nappies at my parents my mum kept sticking 10 litres of 2:1 washing liquid into each load the moment my back was turned. Argghh. Only time I've had to strip-wash my nappies. Grrrr. What are inlaw drying facilities like Pidj?

Washing line or radiator, same as here. I wouldn't be hitting up the leccy bill

My sewing machine came from Lidl!

Here is the man. Free delivery and great after service care/advice (no relation btw!).

stupid question ladies.
Im currently testing some bamboozles on my two babies. 7 wk and 19month.

Now obviously the nappies are damp when i take them off. How would you know you need more absorbancy would it be if they leaked on their clothes?

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Are they bamboo (sorry for ignorance)? With my fitted bamboo they'll get really very wet before they start leaking. They absorb a lot. So just being damp to the touch isn't a sign to change. My baby doesn't mind the wet feel - fleece liners may help if yours do. But it's a bit trial and error to be honest. I have some fleecy fitteds and they just don't 'hold' the wee, so as soon as they feel wet they need changing.

I love you BFG. Thanks. Ive got one of those money jars that you have to smash open and have just been sticking dosh in that for the sewing machine fund. Driving lessons next!

Lidl? That place is bloody brilliant! How long ago were they selling them?

Boy3 was up til 1am on a feeding frenzy but I'd gone up a teat size yesterday as he was taking over an hour to finish and he ended up puking all over me, laughed then went to sleep. thank chuff boy2 has started to sleep through better! The headbanging seems to be a morning thing now.

Hi A, if they feel really wet and heavy I'd boost more. The boys sometimes leak if the wraps aren't secure enough round the legs or theres a right big gap at the top.

If they thud when they hit the floor they need boosting

Ahhh deffo not wet and heavy ladies. Just damp i honestly couldnt squeeze any liquid out. Im suprised they are doing so good without even the booster they come with. Especially with my 19 month old.

They're ace night nappies

Think anything bamboo is on an older child for nights. Brill fabric.

The Holdens ones mentioned by Protege look beautiful but are £26+

Spent hours this morning cleaning the lounge carpet then just dropped a full plate of pasta and meatballs all over it. Grrrrrrrr.

Thanks for the pics Notgrownup! Tried out the birds pattern pocket with 2 LL bamboo boosters today, worked well, I changed after 2 1/4 hours but think it could have gone longer. Had a big leak today from a bumble fitted with a blueberry coverall wrap, I'm not sure whether I should use the middle setting on length cos I think it's a bit loose round the legs, but when I did that the other day it left red marks, hmm. V annoying as those nappies are usually bombproof.

V impressed with the sewing machine ownership rates on here, what do you make / plan to make? I occasionally have the fantasy idea of buying one but there is never time - I still have knitting I haven't finished from last winter and it's a tiny easy bit at that once I get DD off to sleep (assuming it's before 10pm!) and tidied up and cleaned up I'm so tired I just down a glass of wine go to bed... Sorry to moan but the lack of time to do anything non-essential does get me down sometimes.

PP I think it's fine to ask the use the washing machine! I certainly wouldn't mind if you were staying with me But if it is a problem, 2 day's worth of nappies shouldn't be too bad if you can bury them in the boot...?

Nowt wrong with having a moan, its good for you!

I dont know yet, probably customise clothes or something. My friends sil has made some beautiful cushions for the boys and her and seeing peoples craftiness is inspiring me to take up a hobby in the new year.

The new Alvas have leaked more but lasted the same length of time. I think i just need to adjust the legs.

Ive just finished wrapping the boys books. I need to ninja in the babies room tomorrow and get the stocking fillers.

Is everyone getting excited?

Morning ladies

Sorry if I'm interrupting but I'm just looking for some advice.

DC2 is due in March and I think I would like to give reusables a go but DP is horrified by the idea so could you recommend something easy to use and preferably not expensive as initial budget may be an issue (incase we don't like). I looked at Terry squares but they seem quite complicated for DP.

Would out be worth using reusables part time when I'm in charge of things?

Also I work in a nursery where LO will be attending from around 9 months and when I mentioned reusables to the girls in the baby area they says they had one child in then so that's not an issue but they make for horrid poosplosions which is a scary prospect

Anyway thanks.

Hi peanut. I'm due the same month as you!! I've used reusables with DS but not during the first newborn weeks (too much else to panic about do). I used LL and nature babies fitted nappies with a motherease cover. I would personally stay away from terries too (but loads of people love them and they dry really quickly). The Nappy Lady website does a free assessment/recommendation based on your priorities and drying facilities etc. I did this. You also get a discount on future purchases if you do this.

Hi Peanut! I second BFG's suggestion of asking the Nappy Lady, she knows her stuff and is really helpful. I also did the ' try cloth for£10' trial with Fill Your Pants which was really good for having a look at & trying out different kinds of nappies. There may be a nappy library in your area too - I've never used one but it sounds helpful. I use mostly 2 part nappies and they are pretty easy when you know what to do, the only faff is putting on first the nappy, then the waterproof wrap, when you have a squirmy toddler! All in ones or pocket nappies go on like a disposable in one go so are easier in that regard. I didn't start using cloth til DD was nearly a year so can't comment on leak of runny newborn poo but I very rarely get a leak now. I think cloth nappies tend not to have that slight gape at the top of the back which I find you get with disposables, so presumably less likely to get poo right up the back of the neckwhich used to happen all the time when DD was tiny!

Have a read of some of the other threads in this topic as there are quite a few asking for tips/advice re nappies, washing etc, so there is lots of info there already.

peanut have a look at this thread

Hi, Peanut. I converted dp to the idea with simple mathematics - I've got nappies birth to potty (second hand) for around £100 compared with around £4-500 per year for Pampers.

The easiest are pocket and all in one types with velcro. You shove something absorbent down the middle (that bit's separate for pockets, sewn on at one end for all in ones) then put it on like a disposable. Overnight we use a 2 part system - nappy shaped thing made of terry type stuff with a waterproof wrap over the top. Dp copes fine with all types as long as he doesn't have to use a nappy nippa

PS the only time we've had wee/poo on clothes (ds is 5 weeks, in cloth since day 5) is when the nappy hasn't been put on right. Far less than the average with disposables!

Oh, yes, Biscuit, I modify clothes and make little easy things. I made my bf pillow which I've just unstuffed, washed and sewn back together for DD's bag . It's pink, so more appropriate for DD than it was for DS. Though, in fact, most of DD's clothes will be DS's cast-offs...

I can't believe how quickly the weeks are ticking by Pidj. The birth must seem a distant memory in the face of newborn care and feeding. Is bf going well? I've forgotten, are you co-sleeping?

Everyone and their mothers will be drinking champagne and stuffing oysters this evening....except me x 10. Looking forward to DS opening pressies tomorrow morning though!!!!

Happy fluffy Christmas to all and one.

Bf going well, and despite my high-minded ideas of ds sleeping in his crib it just ain't happening the only way to get him to would be to leave him in there to scream, which seems barbaric so he sleeps on me for the first bit then next to dp (insomniac)

I might have a sneaky glass of bubbles tonight. We do Christmas dinner with my (local) family on Christmas Eve, brunch and pressies Christmas morning then up to the in laws for a late lunch. That way we don't have to choose who to see.

Merry fluffmas

Pidj, thats the only way ds1 would sleep then one day when he was about 4m i put him in his moses basket awake and he fell asleep.

Ds2 was alot older than that before he sorted the self sleeping thing.

Its nowt that cant be sorted when you're both ready.

Hi Peanut!

I braved the Trafford Centre today with all 3. Wasnt that bad and treated myself to some Border Biscuits.

Im no longer a regular drinker but have some Crabbies!! It was this time last year I had a bottle of the stuff!!

Happy Fluffmas !! Xxxx

Hello again! How is everybody?? I am so tired. Nothing to do with squish, mind, she's sleeping through (already!!) but because yesterday i was playing tea maid to a bunch of 3 and 4 year olds. It was dd1s birthday and we had a wee party. I have spent the morning trying to extricate CHEESE from the kitchen floor Ah but they enjoyed it. They had a tea party with her plastic tea set which was vv cute Been down to tesco to get some xmas eve bargains but there was absolutely nothing. I live v far from it and walked there so am pissed off as it meant a taxi back as it was dark and there are no lights on the road for the last 4 miles. Dcs have been high as kites today and so has the dog so the house is trashed and everything is covered in dog hair after i hoovered the entire house TWICE yesterday Squish is great though, nearly 7lb! might be able to buy more fluff soon as she'll start to actually fit in them

Hi KFC, I was wondering where you were. How old is the new fluff monster?

Dh and I opened our pressure tonight cos he is working tomorrow watching over the good people of Manchester. Mum is plating him up some dinner so he can take it in the day after.

Extracating cheese? What happened? I did that with what I think was chocolate the day before but out of carpet.

Ds3 has now dropped off and pressure set out for the boys.

Hope you all have a great day tomorrow!!!

She will be 6 weeks on fri. Not entirely sure what happened with the cheese though i think one of dds friends may have been trying to "make a cake" I cut the cheese into hearts with a cookie cutter and i think this may have contributed to the squashing of said cheese. This little girl also left covered in icing from a cake she never actually ate I am amazed that the dog didnt clean up the cheese for me tbh. She ate everything else that was stuck to the floor. <pats clever dog on head> I am really looking forward to tomorrow. I cant wait to see their wee faces when they come down to a mountain of presents may have gone a wee bit overboard My best friend is on her way over for a glass of wine just now. Havent seen her in weeks despite the fact that she lives about 400 feet away and I am really quite excited!

we share the same style of mess! And cleaner upperer!!

Playing on my new toy whilst there is chaos all around!!!

Ds peed on his green stars (and daddy) so is in purple stars as his christmas fluff. What's everyone else got? or am I the only sad cow that does this

Ds peed on his green stars (and daddy) so is in purple stars as his christmas fluff. What's everyone else got? or am I the only sad cow that does this

Just the ones that I posted the other day. gotta have Xmas fluff!! Mum and Nan (who is 95) thought they were great. Ds2 wears the cosmic print Totsbots in the day and Ds3 in the Alvas.

Mmmmmmm selection box time!!

My Gran (91) is very jealous of all the pretty prints and fast drying fabrics

My mum (63) likes my minky spots (hip hip baby realeasy) best

Dnephew (5) insists his little cousin wears dinosaurs or a green one. Dsil had dniece (7) in nature babies but she'd been dx with ASD by the time her db arrived so dsil had to go to sposies (dniece isn't pt yet and is unlikely to in the foreseeable future)

Dp likes the minky but has a fondness for the Rikki wraps, particularly pandas, and the cheapy cows.

I like ones that don't leak wee on me mid feed

Yay for old Nanas!! Ooh, they weren't like that in my day!!

How is your Dn? Did she have a nice day? Does she love her new baby (they'd be cousins wouldn't they?)

Sounds like everyone has had a fab day!!

Dniece (the 7yo with autism) doesn't quite know what to make of him, dnephew (5) is fascinated and desperate to play games, share toys etc. Yes, first cousins

Kids are ace. I'd have more if we had room, money etc.

How is everyone feeling this morning? Ds2 is banging his head so I better get him up, ds3 is still asleep from 10pm, y.day must've taken it out of him being fussed over by little Nana and ds1 is at my mums.

Not caught up yet. Marking place. Tired. Used disposables over Christmas and feeling bad as DS has a sore bum.

I'm a bit in and out atm VQ, dp had a stroke yesterday so everythings a bit what the fuck at the moment. Staying with MIL who kindly hung out the nappies I washed last night but not sure how sustainable it'll be if he's in for long

PP fuck! I do hope DP is ok. I would use disposables until you are more settled. Honest, if it makes life a bit easier...

Shit PP!!!! I hope he's OK. Fingers crossed you'll both be home very soon. We'll be thinking of you. X

Hi VQ. Hope alls well in your camp too.

It's actually easier to wash than go to the shop to buy! I've got half a pack of pampers left over from the early days just in case.

Did manage to wash them on 90 though so might have no choice

I was going to moan, but after hearing PP s news, I am grateful all I have to worry about is a baby that will not sleep. The cough is still hanging on and at 9 weeks we are doing well to get 2 hours. The girls slept through at 6 and 7 weeks, so I should be grateful.

Something I've learned:

Other people's problems don't lessen the impact of your on you.

Moan away!

And, it takes you out of the situation for a few minutes. How is he? Are you OK? Hopefully he'll be as right as rain in the next few days.

A thread I started has made it on the MN FB page! Random stuff your kid eats.

Dirty bugger was pissing about with a bottle of baby powder and squeezed the bottle then ended up filling his mouth with it. Puke everywhere. He had 3 lots of cow juice through the night bless him and the baby monitor next to his cot.

Excellent, NotGrown I've got one in Classics about a dead cat if you need a giggle. Am on phone so can't link

I'll look for that, love reading peoples stories.

You still at Mil's?

It starts off fairly normal but there's a big plot twist iyswim

Yes, will be here till he's either discharged or transferred

It starts off fairly normal but there's a big plot twist iyswim

Yes, will be here till he's either discharged or transferred

I will have a look on the crap top tonight.

Hopefully he'll not be in long and back home before you know it. How is small person?

Just been catching up. So awfully sorry about your DP Pidj. Sending you and family . Keep us updated with progress. Nappies are the least of your worries.

I hope so I need my bed and my privacy back! Small is lovely, feed sleep nappy with a little playing in between

I hope so I need my bed and my privacy back! Small is lovely, feed sleep nappy with a little playing in between

Good. I can't cope with my mil, Geordie Nana ds1 calls her. Bet R is filling out nicely now and not looking so new

Hey hey BFG, how's your past week been?

I've just spent the last hour and a half ironing, where does it all come from?

She decided to tell me all about how he should only be fed every 2 hours and I should leave him to cry in between.

Then she told me about how dp cried all the time as a baby



R is chunking up nicely, nearly out of nb clothes!

I don't iron. Solves the problem nicely!

<<googles ironing>>

I know, rod for my own back. Its the kids clothes not mine and certainly not dh's.

My mum thinks its every 4 hours and was surprised at how often the first 2 fed. 3 is no where near as greedy ad them 2. at not in newborn anymore. I've had to start putting the 0-3m stuff away.

Its a bit mean leaving them to deliberately cry.

Are you getting your dinners cooked for you?

Now apparently I'm a cruel and mean mummy for dragging him out for evening visiting not even properly wrapped up. When packing for this 36 hour visit, a spare snow suit wasn't exactly high priority. He was wearing babygrow, jersey trousers and tee shirt, cardigan, hat and 2 layers of blanket. Its easily 10 degrees outside

PP the older generation always think babies are not warm enough as they were given different advice. Try to ignore her as you are mummy, and mummy knows best. How is DH today?

BP still high and frustrated at lack of fresh air. Also fed up of talking to senile old folk

I bet. How old is he? Has he had anything like that happen before? Apologies if you have already said, and feel free to say fuck off if not wanting to talk about it. Pretty scary stuff x

Old school of parenting. My mum thinks the same as your mil. Grr. V is right you're his Mummy. I think if they're too wrapped up then go from hot to cold when getting wrapped and unwrapped they're more likely to get a cold.

Baby has just done another huge projectile vomit all over the place. Lovely.

That's one of the worst bits about hospital, the older folk you seem to be put with! The msg I've just sent hadn't sent and I've just seen your last posts.

Are the old dears getting on his nerves?

DP is 47 and runs ultra-marathons. He had bp problems years ago but last took medication in 07, 2 years before we even met. He cycles 12 miles a day to/from work ffs!

MIL is a retired nurse, this is her 5th GC. The eldest is nearly 20. You'd think she'd know that guidelines change - her youngest dc is 42 with 2 dc, in fact dp is the last of the three siblings to. Start a family! BIL has a 20yo and a 2 month old.

How very odd Pidj! And how very distressing for everyone . Hope he is able to come home soon. I don't know anything about strokes - is he in any pain?

I had the warm clothes thing a lot esp early on. I still get it now, even from random strangers. DS shoots around the place all day at top speed and my older friend wants to see him wrapped up in double jumpers. He pulls them off now so can make the point himself!

Love newborns too Notgrownup. In fact, I've really changed. I used to be very so-so about having kids and probably could have lived happily without. Then DS came along and I nearly lost him and then after his birth a great desire came over me to have more. Loads more . Much to DH's consternation. I had to pursuade him for DC2 so I don't think I'll really become Ma Walton.

He's got a stonking headache

Its not like I have a choice what to dress him in. I've been wearing the same bra for nearly a week, ditto pyjamas. No time to get them clean.

He looks a lot younger than 47!!!! Bet you both can't wait to get back to your place and your own bed. As much as its nice being looked after there's no place like hone.

Wonder if its work stress too that's bought in on? Is the headache not down to the old dears he's sharing with

I end up with the same bra on for days too, I forget to get a clean one out the drawer (when I bother putting one on).

I'm trying to get boy3 to settle earlier than 10pm so have started asking him earlier and waking him up after an hour (day naps) and putting boy2 to bed slightly later so they'll meet in the middle ready for when they come to share a room.

How are you feeling BFG?

I feel like I'm free-loading tbh, having people run round after me all day. The headache is the swelling/bleeding.

I only have 3 bras - 1 for days and 2 soft. I've got the day and 1 night with me to alternate. If I were home I could wear a soggy one for a day and not jiggle too much, not an option atm

Hope you're both home soon.

Enjoy the getting looked after while you can if you can. Bet you're really tired with it all. The Dr s given any idea of a discharge day yet? Have you had much sleep?

I've just like looked in the mirror and look like Eraserhead!

Me too. I hate being looked after!

Ahh, Pidj, don't feel too bad about people looking after you. They like to be able to do something, it's fustrating standing by and watching and doing nothing. I guess they'll have to wait for the swelling to go down before discharge - at least. He's probably in the best place for now - he can access some pretty strong painkillers if needed, so...Just hard on you all. Take each day at a time and slob out if needed. No one looks at your bra! Do you go and visit everyday or do you phone sometimes?

Hehe at Eraserhead (I had to google him ). I'm fine apart from boredom and a cold. We're looking at investing in a second home <gulp> just visited the property today, so not as boring as most days I suppose .

Has everyone now recovered from the dreaded D&V?

Its my fringe, I'm a right minger if I don't have to go out, my nest hasn't seen a hair brush for 2 days! its stuck right up in a something about Mary style.

Here's a vision for you. I flooded the kitchen before. I put too much Fairy liquid in the washer and put it on a 60deg wash. Bubbles everywhere!

Before dp got Ill did you have a good Xmas? PP. Did R get spoiled?

Where you looking BFG?

If I was at home and not bfing I'd probably not be wearing one! Love my jimjams <3 its not the look as much as the smell, though...

We visit every day, was twice but evenings are too much for R so we're doing afternoons and B, S and MIL will do evenings.

Just local Notinmyhead, but DH is blowing hot and cold on it. I'm someone who makes their mind up and it's done. DH is more of ditherer .

Visiting every day??!! That's a lot with a newborn Pidj - good effort. Let's hope he comes home very soon. Are you still wearing pads in the bras? I wore them (fluff ones of course ) for ages before realising that when the boobs were no longer leaking all the time, I didn't need them (just hold onto boob not-in-use during let down). When I realised this I also switched over to normal bras (floppy ones ) and just hoiked them up as needed. Made the whole thing a lot less kerfuffle.

I've got mothercare washables, still leaking a bit so very necessary! Changes need to wait until I can see a way ahead tbh

I've got mothercare washables, still leaking a bit so very necessary! Changes need to wait until I can see a way ahead tbh

27th I took him in, back in the evening. 28th and 29th I went for both afternoon and evening. Today just afternoon, same tomorrow and until everything changes again

27th I took him in, back in the evening. 28th and 29th I went for both afternoon and evening. Today just afternoon, same tomorrow and until everything changes again

I remember when dh had his bowel op the other yr. It was Summer and I was very pg with boy2. Me and ds1 on the bus going to the hospital with a shopping trolley of clothes for dh. What a mish.

Its excellent you've got a lot of support with family soon home for you3. to you for going as often as you do with R. Is he sleeping any better?

@ boob fluff! Excellent! Are they comfy?

How is it in France ATM? Flood warning city over here, crackers.

New boy has discovered how to blow raspberries, very cute.

I've locked MIL out of her house. I'm a cunt

Are you saying that, or MIL? Either way, you are not that is so unfair about your DH, and I am so sorry you have such stress. I do hope MIL gets access soon (unless you are inside and locked her out on purpose)

Me saying it. There are no words for how much of a twat I feel right now

Me saying it. There are no words for how much of a twat I feel right now

Big hugs x is someone sorting it? Surely there are spare keys, or is it more complicated? Hopefully all will be ok soon x

The key is in the lock on the inside of the house. We can't get keys in from the outside

Fuck

The key is in the lock on the inside of the house. We can't get keys in from the outside

Fuck

Back door? Poke it through with a pokey thing? Probably thought of this already. So sorry x

You are far from a cnut. I'm sorry you're having a shit time, is there anything that can be done from here to help?

Have you been able to break a window and climb in?

BIL has sorted it. I'm now in bed with chocolate.

Think I've buggered up all my nappies when I did the accidental 90* wash

BIL has sorted it. I'm now in bed with chocolate.

Think I've buggered up all my nappies when I did the accidental 90* wash

The magic word - chocolate.

Shit, what's happened to them?

Yay for bil!!!

Just leakage and I can't see where I've got the fit wrong. I'm doubting myself over every tiny thing at the moment

Just leakage and I can't see where I've got the fit wrong. I'm doubting myself over every tiny thing at the moment

Wraps may well be knackered but the prefolds should be fine. Try putting wet cloth on the wrap and leaving it a while. Has the pul come away?

I am not suprised you are doubting yourself. Have you got RL friends who can give you proper hugs?

PUL seems ok but I don't have an unbuggered one to compare to. all my pretty pockets and AIOs

Saw a friend briefly today, she's lent dp a laptop to watch dvds and I got to chat to someone impartial. Otherwise its just me, the in laws and dp

They might be OK as it wasn't a boil wash. Wonder if they're leaking because they could need stripping or the soap hasn't been washed out properly? Or because it was a different washing machine?

Have you had chance to leave R with someone whilst you have some time on your own?

Ooh, didn't think of that - liquitab only washing option! Will cope for now and strip at home as its only some that leak - cba to test now

I don't want to leave him for more than a few minutes tbh; I nearly lost dp can't let R out of my sight.

How did everyone sleep? Ds1 woke twice screaming saying he was scared. He has nights like this occasionally.

I can't even begin to imagine how awful its been for PP.

I have a friend about 25 minutes away. I need to find a way to shift to hers. I can't face another day of MIL telling me how to parent, and I can't tell dp that's the reason. How do I do this without offending anyone?

If you've not seen her for ages you could say that and that she would really love to see you both/have you to stay for New Year and have a good catch up. Is she nearer to the hospital? You feel like you've stayed too long at Mil's and although you are grateful you don't want to impose anymore as mil will be feeling the strain too.

I've not got anything daft to tell you to cheer you up. I've put on some choons and ds2 is dancing away (baby mosher)

That's how I'm pitching it (texting dp) I don't want to tell him she's upsetting me with her criticism

That's how I'm pitching it (texting dp) I don't want to tell him she's upsetting me with her criticism

Plus ILs are teetotal, dp and I aren't. Can have with friend

And god you need it Pidj!! Have one for me too . Sounds like the plan vis-a-vis ILs is good. Good luck.

Brought it up with MIL and she insists I'm very welcome to be here. I don't feel it. I'm currently locked in the room to feed because SILs kids are here - dniece has ASD and very bouncy, she doesn't understand Mind The Baby and much as I adore her it feels like only a matter of time till he gets hurt.

Help

You do deserve a Could you get away with saying to mil that your friend misses you and really wants you to stay but you'll be back after a day or two?

Just caught up on the thread, Pidj I wish I could come & give you a hug, what a horrible experience. Very very best to your DP and crossing everything he's back on his feet soon. What's the prognosis, when do they say he can come home?

Def agree you should go and stay with your friend, even if MIL says you are welcome, really press it and say you know you are and she's been lovely but it's so exhausting being round a new baby and you know she would never say it but she must need a break... Also that you can both focus on your DP more if you and R are at your friends and she is helping with all the practical stuff like food, washing etc. Is there no way you can dash home to pick up more clothes? Or could a friend take your keys & a list of stuff you need & bring it back? How far are you from home? Is there anything we can do remotely?! Lots of moral support here if nothing else

BFG v exciting re buying another house! To let out? For holidays or long term locals? And how was your Christmas dinner with your home grown bird??

MIL reacts badly to anything suggesting she needs a break/cant cope. Might go home this evening to get some bits and see my dad for his birthday. Its 80 miles or so, not too bad but not popping distance

Very tricky. Sometimes you just have to prioritise your needs even if it might offend her - you need to be somewhere you're comfortable so that you can be at your best for your baby and your DP who both need you. Easier said than done I know but just do what you need to do and your MIL will get over it, it's such a stressful time for you all and feelings run high. The priority is you, your baby and your DP. Hope you do get to see your dad this eve and get some support from your family. And a large glass of !

Well, R was a total grump all morning which mil interpreted as him picking up my stress. So things have relaxed a bit all round. Dp is doing well, which helps. I've escaped home (with Pampers as most of my fluff won't be dry till morning!) to my parents. Mil is going to help me get ds to take his dummy... Manipulative? Moi? I shall also take the buggy back so she can take him for a walk

That sounds like plan.

Always good to escape!!! You do sound better, that's fantastic dp is doing well. Have you eaten much?

Am I a bad mother for eating the sweets the kids got for Xmas

Not as much as when i could eat at will, but enough. I'm down to 11st6, pre-pregnancy was 11st and target is 10st7 so doing well for 6 weeks i think. A few days of less food won't hurt.

Ds is cluster feeding again, but as that's normal this time of night i don't mind. Hopefully he'll sleep, he's barely napped all day!

Surely you're saving their teeth?

You are doing more than good! I have gone up from a 14 to 20 Can't remember the last time I was 11stone!

Enjoying some lovely you and boy time. When its just you both when everyone is asleep. Bliss.

Yeah but you've got three bruisers. I've got one tiddler

I only put the weight on after the third one Arms and legs are fine just the middle, it'll shift if I stop eating the kids leftovers and Ben n Jerry's!

Did you sleep?

Hope things are a little more settled for you now Pidj. I still can't believe you're on your first. You sound much more together than I was that's for sure.

DH has finally decided not to go for the house Biscuit. It would have been an investment, possible rental. We need a pension plan! But DH wasn't happy with the workmanship (bit of a DIY build). Passed a day with a little more excitement than normal though . Xmas was great, friends all came to ours and did all the cooking! They insisted I sit and watch. It was really lovely except for just watching the champagne and oysters disappear.

How was eveyone's NY? Ours was early to bed after an episode of Cracker. We live on the edge doncha no?

Forgot to say, wishing everyone a Happy New Year. Let's hope 2013 is a really great one.

Well I was living the dream in comfy jamas, chocolate and silence and was asleep before 11pm!

Here's hoping this year is good to us all.

Pp, you do sound like you have had more than one baby a natural mum.

11-3 and 5-7:30. He's feeding a lot at the moment

Dp is now on the general stroke ward, the canula is out and I might get him back on Saturday instead of Monday!

7 years of working with teens and adults with SN and behavioural issues makes for a calm Pidjie

Nappy new year everyone! Ho ho what a terrible sense of humour, I apologise... We actually stayed up past midnight, woo hoo! Baby biscuit woke at 11.55pm though, got her straight back off to sleep and knocked back a glass of fizz before going to bed. Knackered today though, wish I'd just gone to bed earlier! BFG your Christmas sounds lovely, glad to hear you got to take it easy.

Notgrownup and Pidj I've only just after 16 months got back in my pre-pregnancy jeans...

V glad to hear your DP is improving Pidj hope he's back home soon. Will there be follow up treatment/ therapy? Sorry I don't know much about strokes. Hope all back to normal soon.

That is fantastic news pp!!! Excellent!! Keeping calm has helped you carry on!

Biscuit, you nutter how did you lose the weight?

Have you packed your bag yet BFG?

We're looking at months and years rather than days but he's strong and determined and we won't let it beat us.

Nope, it won't beat you, you will beat it. I do feel that thinking positive about things helps.

How has R been today? Is he allowed onto the ward? Just asking as he's a baby and with all these bugs going about they might say no visits yet.

I attempted a trip to the park today. Its only a 20min walk away but my god DS1 complained all the way back about the cold then started crying and whining. I nearly taped him to a tree and ran off.

I didn't exactly give them the option - we were admitted via a+e what were they going to do kick us out?

The nurses love it, ds is very cute and I keep him quiet so as not to bother any one. They let me use the staff room for nappy changes! Dp has a photo of us on his table and we're getting pretty famous

Its not like he's a mobile toddler running around, and its not a surgical or medical ward.

He's still cluster feeding think we're in for a growth spurt

Aww, bet he's super cute now he's out of the newborn stage and chubbed up.

I remember the last time DH got an ambulance and he took a packed bag with him as there was no way he was leaving til he was sorted.

Are the nurses great? And the old dears funny?

Are you mil free still?

He's still pretty new born looking!

I should have called an ambulance, didn't think. I guesed what happened immediately and my first thought was getting him away from the dn's and into a hospital for treatment. Although SIL is claiming credit for being the first to realise... Erm, who exactly took action here?! Ah well, let her have her moment

Back at MILs, home in 3 1/2 sleeps

Not long!! Hopefully it'll fly by. Its a horrible situation to be in especially with a small dude.

Just fed small person who is currently blowing raspberries and shouting.

Probably doing bum ones too.

One day we'll look back and laugh. Its that or crack up

Ds is feeding again. He's fed for an hour at 2 and 5 is that normal?

One day we'll look back and laugh. Its that or crack up

Ds is feeding again. He's fed for an hour at 2 and 5 is that normal?

I'm not sure with Bf but it will be, boy 1 fed constantly pretty much every hour or so some days when he was a few weeks old, then it went to every 3 or 4 then back to 2. Boy 2 was the same and boy 3 its every 3 to 4 and even then he feeds on and off for an hour or gulps the whole lot down in one.

I remember mum telling me I fed them too much and it should be every 4 hours. She shut up when I told her 'how would you like being starved for 4 hours and having to wait?'

Is little Mr in bed with you at mil's?

Yeah, pretty normal Pidj. Especially the long on/off sucky feeds in the evening. THey're stocking up for the night and need a bit of extra comfort. Nothing is wrong when they're feeding a lot - always a good sign.

It turned out to be 2 hours at 5! Then he slept till 9:30. Yes, he's in with me. He hates his crib so I saw no point bringing anything with me tbh. I think he'll be in with me for a while yet and dp in the other room.

Look at me being all hippy Oops! I'm not wearing tie dye!

Don't knock the hippy thing don't the hippy mums call themselves crunchy mamas?

I used to get terrorised by the Chavs when I wore this gorgeous tie dye skirt I go it from Afflecks Palace. Now I just look a dick in a skirt.

Ds1 is back at school 2moro!!! Little does he know I'll be blitzing his room. I couldn't move in his bed last night for toys and had to shove all his toys out the way on the floor to make room for ds3 moses basket. He's got a lambskin in it and I've shrank it in the wash or by drying it too near the radiator!

How is everyone feeling today?

I am however eating hippy food for lunch.

Dp's coming out tonight

Good news PP

notgrown I started a weightless thread for new mummies with wibbly tummies if you fancied a bit of support when you are ready x there are over 50 of us, and we started Monday.

Whoooooyah!!!!!! That is fantastic news PP!!

Yes please VQ I could do with some others to do the journey with!

I think it will be a nice thread as we can talk babies too. Bit like this one - it is not just a nappy thread now is it <<hugs all round>>

Nah, its a bit more than that

We haz quiche

Dp is downstairs watching tv with his mum. Bliss.

I'd join the wibbly tum thread but a) the weight is melting off with all the stress and b) I'm hardcore about healthy eating and might shout at people

PS we're still in full time cloth. Feel free to mention me the next time someone tells you they gave up because it was too much hard work

Are your nappies behaving a bit better now PP ?

I had Falafel, verge burgers an red pepper hummus before (hippy food) then Pork for tea. I do eat healthy half the time its the other half that us my problem.

Wow, home! Brilliant! You can kind if relax now. How is he?

Yay for fluff!! And quiche.

ah, I think its a combo of gape on the left leg and saturation; practice makes perfect!

NotGrown, stop buying crap food and stop using the car for journeys under 2 miles. The weight will fall off and you can use the money you save for a holiday next year. Stick a quid in a jar every time you walk or resist temptation; it soon mounts up!

He's a bit slow and quiet but happy to be free. We've got a long old slog ahead.

I can't drive so walk everywhere. Which is one thing I suppose!

Always a gapey leg, usually underneath slightly round the back?

Slightly to the front/underneath. Bizarre, because I check every time!

Slightly to the front/underneath. Bizarre, because I check every time!

Grr at leaks! I always find them round the legs too. Dave had one now above his bum and he's now eating my t shirt.

Had a shit nights sleep thanks to dh's snoring, tossing and turning and moaning in his sleep. Sofa for me tonight I think.

2 out of 3 boys woke too but I don't mind that as they're easily sorted.

How did everyone else not sleep?

Putting a 7lb baby in btp nappies probably doesn't help

10-12, 12:30-2:30, 3:30-6:30. Not bad at 6 weeks I think? Wish I knew what I was doing so I can replicate it next time!

Good news Pidj. I guess the next step is wait til swelling goes down and then rehabilitation? When will they be able to make an assessment? R is sleeping really well - esp that 3 hour bit early am (just when you need it). He'll be sleeping through before you know it . V impressed with your fluff commitment!

Bags packed thanks for asking Notgrown up. I'm 30 weeks today - DS was born at just under 33 weeks, so it's all a bit nerve wracking! But I'm fine really.

Fit is so important when I comes to leaks - babies chub and thin up so quickly - the fit changes a lot. Even now with DS at 22 months. You have to be quite wiley to check all around the nappy.

I think the swelling has gone down, at least partially, and he's got a programme of exercises to do. I assume he'll have regular appointments for physio but haven't pressed him for details, there'll be time for that in the car. He's got family to spend time with, who knows when we'll be up to the journey again?

I maintain that its easier to bung a wash in than to drag a baby to the supermarket to buy nappies! I will be buying some formula though so I can dump ds on other people for a bit

I think it'll be the occupational therapist maybe too. Definitely agree about the nappy thing! The box takes up too much room too. It'll be good for you too having some free Ds time and good for him to get to know family and you and dp to have some time to yourself, on your own, away from everyone. As much as it'll be great having them round d to help there's only so much of the il's a person can take!!

I remember fighting with the district nurses to come and change dh's dressings after his ops, they tried to make him go to the walk in centre with a 14inch op wound that had bust open at the bottom and gotten infected. It'll be hard at first then you get used to it (appts etc) then before you know it its back to normal. Has there been chance to speak to his boss?

Currently having get ready wars with ds1. I doooooooont feeeeeel veryyy welllllll.

Getting exciting now for you bfg? How far is the hospital?

I've had many a battle with receptionists trying to get home visits - for a wheelchair bound man with LD refusing to leave the house! Time to be me would be fab. MIL is always on the go, I rarely feel I can ask her to just hold ds while I wash or eat unlike my mum who's agog at his every fart!

I've had many a battle with receptionists trying to get home visits - for a wheelchair bound man with LD refusing to leave the house! Time to be me would be fab. MIL is always on the go, I rarely feel I can ask her to just hold ds while I wash or eat unlike my mum who's agog at his every fart!

You know Pidj, you're right - when I was using sposies it was quite a faff making sure there was always enough stocked up. It's so wonderful your DH can now relax with all his loved ones. Taking it very easy and being pampered. Great stuff.

Hospital is 40 mins away. The road is OK but one small town we pass through has a terrible road. Last time I yelped at every pot-hole, yelling at DH to drive slower! What are get ready wars Notgrownup? Are you coming down with something???

Getting ready wars are me trying to get ds1 out if bed, dressed etc for school. I threaten him with cold water half an hour to eat half a bowl of cereal, 15 mins to put his shoes on. Grrrrt.

How did you get into your job pp? Do you cone across alot of difficulties getting the right care for the people you help?

Boo, bumpy roads. The roads round here are terrible, pot holes and speed bumps. We seemed to go over every single feckin hole on the way to the hospital when ds3 was coming. Wowsers

New yr name change (ngu). Wonder why some of our replies are appearing twice?

Double posts are due to the mobile app. Open in safari and it is better apparently.

I am having mixed results with washables at the moment. Have been using disposables at night, but last night had run out so put a LL bamboo on boy, and it had leaked by 8 am. Saturated. Right through pjs and gro bag and sheets. Yet in the day they are fab, although I use pockets. I guess I need to boost more. Trouble is with his chest how it is, his head is lower than his body. I am going to have to put cot on a steeper incline to compensate. He no longer poos at night so I only change him if we are actually up. I feed him in bed and can sometimes not get up all night, even though I am awake frequently with him. Last night his breathing was awful so we had to get up to let stuff drain away.

So sorry to hear J's chest is still poorly . My friend's DS had terrible reflux early on and had to abandon night fluffs as they made it worse lying sort of feet in air a bit. I still use sposies at night too - I tried fluff again but had tremendous leaks. He seems to but up and down with how much he pees. Sometimes the nappy can be quite dry in the morning. I hate to limit drinks as he's still so young and still needs prompting to drink in the day. So, for the forseeable, he'll overnight in cheapo sposies.

Everythings in the wash so we're into angel-fold prefolds tonight

Hello... is it okay to crash the party?

I'm 32 weeks pregnant and going to be giving cloth a try with this baby, I've got an exciting selection due to land on my doorstep any day now. It's dangerously enabling that my friend owns an online nappy retailer

Pidj I've followed your thread about your DH and I'm so glad he's home.

Course it is, have a

I like your friend you already

Keep your fingers crossed, im about to try the chest to crib transfer! If he's as asleep as i hope he'll stay there for a couple of hours...

Oh noooo I just wrote long messages to everyone and effing phone deleted it argh!!! Brief summary:

Hello MrsR! What nappies have you got coming? And what does your friend sell?? My favourite are my bumbles from Easy Peasy Nappies with a wrap over.

Pidj great news your dp is home! Are you at mil's or yours? Have you got all the support you need from family/friends/NHS? How did it go trying R with formula? Well done on the dedication to cloth!

VQ poor J! We're using sposies at night too, no shame in it sometimes you just have to go with what works...

I'm sure I had written lots of other witty intelligent and helpful comments but they were deleted Now going to bed have got vile hacking cough lurgy and baby biscuit is keen to keep me us all night so that's not helping. Huh.

We're home home. And ds just slept 4 1/2 hours in his own crib. And i got a cuddle. And we accidentally discovered that dp doesn't suffer from a certain common side effect of bp meds now we just need the energy to act on it

<very proud mummy>

I even managed a 2:30 folded nappy!

Morning all! I'm using an Android tab so can't use Safari on 'ere. The app wasn't working last night. Grr.

PP at the meds. Give it say a week? :-) so glad you are all home now. Phew.

Hi Mrs R!

I've got Pampers stashed away just in case. Although if ds2 carries on pooping the way he is he'll be in them as its staining everything and my windows il is fuel of fluff bleaching in the light.

Off to the Dr's in a bit so I'll be fast walking with the babies to burn extra flubber!

School run then cleaning dog shit out the carpets. Great.

I have fluff on the line and more ready to go out

Excellent stuff it is dry enough out!

VQ, poor lamb Do you think another DR's trip is coming up?

Sold all my small Rikkis and bought 2 medium wraps, can't remember what make they are but they were £4.50 each which is good.

I'm gathering a bag to sell, stuff that just doesn't work for us. I've got some Mio wraps that are too small already!

Hello MrsR, we're at about the same stage - I'm 30 weeks (hurrah) - how are you finding the third trimester?. I remember waiting for the newborn with my nappy stash, wondering how it was all going to work. What drying facilities have you got?

Morning NappyHappy (I'll have to get used to the nc!). One thing I'm glad about is I no longer live with carpets . My DSis had them when her kids were small and finally had them all ripped up - stained etc. Being a slob, easy-to-clean floors are a real boon in my life.

I'm sure the bed-sharing, making-a-rod thing for most people is nonsense. I'm sure most babies like to branch out on their own after a while. Glad to hear DS is on the right path! He must be nearly 2 months now?? Had your first smile yet?

Oh yes, I have a pregnancy-related question. When does the baby normally settle head down? I'm sure this one is moving around a lot more than the last, she's frequently transverse I think - the other had already settled head down by the 32 week scan.

Hiya folks, thanks for the warm welcome.

I'm keeping really well BFG, just finding I get tired quicker than normal but otherwise hunky dory. For drying, if I can't get laundry on the line it's a clothes horse unfortunately, but my laundry always dries pretty quickly so I'm not too worried.

"Rod for your own back" must be my least favourite phrase, I used to hear it all the time because I used a sling and co slept with DS. I'm not sure what people thought would happen but at 8 years old DS is perfectly capable of walking and sleeps happily in his own bed.

I've got a real selection box coming, some Baba and Boos landed this morning and there's TotsBots Easyfits, a Bamboozle and some Little Lambs Bamboos on their way as well. I've also treated myself the baby to a Dr Who WeeNotions custom as well which I'm ridiculously excited about. I just wish I'd known about all the varieties of nappies available when DS was a baby - he was just in boring (but bombproof) Motherease for a while!

Carpets dried in 2 hours!! wtf?! When the boys are past their falling over, throwing each other stages I'll save up for laminate.

When the new wraps come I'll let you know if they do the job, they're Nature Babies. Let's hope you break even or make more when you sell them They're selling make your own wrap kits on EBay too for £9 inc post.

With subsequent babies the head sometimes goes down later on. I think I was about 37-38 weeks with not so new boy (now 4m nearly!!) and he wasn't engaged. He really dropped one day and I thought my guts were going to drop out of my Fanj then he'd moved back up again. What sex is the baby? I know (I think) you've said but Ive forgot.

I hate that rod for your own back thing too. Obviously whoever came up with it has perfect children <<sarcastic face>>. Its nothing that can't be changed at a later time anyway and would take about a week or so.

Whats your friends company called again MrsR?

Ah that would "out" me, and I don't want anyone thinking I'm on here to advertise her

Love love love both my Easyfits and a NB wrap my mum got in a charity shop for £1.50. Not so keen on their pockets they dig in his tummy so are in my To Sell bag. I also have a few girlie cheapies if anyone wants them? I paid about £3 each iirc

My DSis had so many rod comments she says she should have called DS1 Rodney...

Head down as late as that NH?? I'm having a girl (after numpty gyno said it was a boy at 16w) and I'm variously hoping it's a good thing she's not head done (and about to engage - no!) and worried it might be a bad sign (will never engage and I'll need a CS). Arghh. Does your DS sleep well now at 4m? I recently read that bouncey babies when pregnant make for difficult sleepers. DD-to-be seems quieter than DS was <holding onto straws as DS was an awful sleeper>.

Can I tell you in about 7 weeks Pidj?

DS was a very bouncy baby - I developed an irritable uterus and part of the reason (according to the consultant) was that he was so active and each movement was triggering my uterus to spasm. Anyway, he was a very, very sleepy baby, he still is!

Subsequent babies usually do not engage until labour.

He is the only one who has slept properly and randomly nods off in the day through all the shouting and screaming. Settles about now til what I think is a reasonable hour to wake. DS1 is the worst sleeper out the lot and he's nearly 5!!

OK MrsR. Prob a good thing as I'll only buy more.

Rodney. Brilliant. I made several rods with ds1. You've got to do whatever works for you and sod the antirods.

You sticking them on EBay pp?

Oh, MrsR <straw released>. Never mind. I'm banking on the fact the DD can't possibly be worse than DS (famous last words) . I'm still waiting on the delivery of the baby insert for my Ergo - it's my secret sleep weapon!

Oh, yes, still waiting for a couple of Alvas to turn up. Just received some (ridicously expensive) bf tops which look like they'll do the job. - I'm sure I could have made them. The French (and some old farty expats) can be a bit awkward when you pull a boob out in public so to save their red faces I thought I would buy a few discrete tops. Not sure if I've had enough spending <rubs hands, it's been a while, thanks internet shopping god>....

NH - we should start an rodney support club. The antirods are spoilsports. My latest rodney comment: you need to tell DS 'no', he needs to learn (as he has a fit because I've taken away the chocolate box). No help explaining 'it's just a tantrum and repeating no after the third time doesn't achieve anything'.

Sorry BFG I'm pinning all my hopes on the fact people keep telling me second babies are more chilled out, DS loved his sleep, but when he was awake he was a right grouch. And he's just had a tantrum because I want to watch SuperGran on CITV. I can't have another one like that surely.....

Another one here seconding that subsequent babies are easier. DS1 was I suppose a parenting practice run and he is to this day worse than the babies put together. Mum is picking him up in a couple of hours yay!

Yep. The anti rod club. I don't know anyone who had a baby rod that is still years later having to be fed/rocked to sleep, has a dummy or sleeps in with parents etc. It annoys me that people think that its not OK to pacify an upset baby or help them fall asleep with whatever means necessary. Its for our sanity as well as for the wellbeing of our children

Mmmm internet shopping. Our friend

Nappy wash day shortly and they can go outside!

I'm having a protein day today and grated my finger when grating some cheese for my smeggy eggs. Ouchy. Right on the knuckle.

BFG, do you have bump bands? You could wear one of those round your belly/waist area and hoik your top up and boob out.

That'll be more protein in the eggs then .

After praising the internet shopping god, I'm now cursing him. I finally received the Alva nappies and they've sent a weird blue nappy instead of a tiger pattern. DS loved tigers . I've emailed them to see what they can do, but I don't envisage sending it back. It's not free P&P for me.

Thanks for the band idea NH - I have one so good news I can put it to use after the birth.

MrsR. I'm right with you. DS was a grouch for 12 months and didn't sleep that well either. Surely lightening can't strike twice??! Fingers crossed for you too.

Like the new name nappyhappy! Enjoy your egg and finger sandwich yum yum Oooh Mrs R a Dr Who nappy.. What will it look like? I really enjoyed the Christmas special, looking forward to the new series. I've never bought a custom nappy, I'm supposedly using fluff to save money and DH has recently developed an annoying habit of actually reading bank statements before I can shred them

BFG I hope you do get a good sleeper this time! Surely none of us deserves 2 sleepless wonders..? at Happy's suggestion that DC1 is a trial run though, with parenting tactics refined over subsequent experiments children...

I'm currently in bed with horrible cold/cough lurgy, DH has taken baby biscuit swimming, only the third time she's ever been and he's never taken her on his own before. I'm a bit worried I hope it's all ok. Pfb I know! I'm supposed to be sleeping why am I not asleep??

Yep. Its right in the crease on the little finger knuckle.

Me Cheeky Wipes and Catapult (yes, catapult ) have arrived this morning. Still a tomboy after all this time.

I saw a Nightmare Before Christmas nappy but it was £27 so I left it.

You can't have 2 non sleepers. Ds2 was better than ds1 but is a light sleeper so I leave the radio on in his room for when I have to sneak in.

Ds3 nearly fills his Moses Basket

It's really dark blue with this TARDIS embroidery on the front. It was my Christmas pressie to myself

I'm saving my belly bands (which I expanded out of loooooong ago) for that very reason, I don't want to inflict my wobbly belly on any one!

http://www.mumsnet.com/Talk/mumsnet_classics/1318402-A-small-fluffy-bundle

NH i think it was you i promised a giggle?

Weenotions have a couple of football ones I'd love for dp but i can't justify the money

www.mumsnet.com/Talk/mumsnet_classics/1318402-A-small-fluffy-bundle

weenotions.co.uk/index.php?main_page=product_info&cPath=5_313&products_id=4160

If you know where i can get just the nappy...

<ever hopeful>

You ledge. so glad its not just me that does stuff like that.

That is a cute bit o fluff too.

My mum has one of those cats. It is very realistic though.

Washer broken. On disposables for time being

No way! Feckin washers. Can you claim on the insurance? That was the cause of our house fire 2 years ago.

It is 8yo and we have been buying the insurance cover, but stopped in Nov as it was almost £100 for the year. We decided we were better putting the money towards a new one. We were hoping it would last a bit longer, but I am most glad it leaked rather than caught fire. I was washing nappies at the time.

Feck. You have nice neighbours you could do your washing at til you get a new one?

Bloody washing machines! When you buy a new one, will you go for an expensive one or a run-of-the-mill? I'd like to hear your reasoniong cos I hate mine (if you can hate an inanimate object ) and I'm always torn between good quality/hope it lasts and basic model/cheap to replace.

Our replacement is a mid range one and gets used a lot. It was under £200 and is a Hot point Aquarius WML 720. I love it. Loads of wash options including a baby cycle.

The one that set fire was a Hot point too but it happens and it hasn't put me off the brand.

Fucking things.

I like indesit. Hot point is good - I thought they were more pricy? I hope to spend no more than £200

Thankfully mum has offered, and lives nearby.

They're the same people AFAIK.

Yay for Mums. Helping us out since birth!!

I'm about to checkout some half price RealEasies on babykind.co.uk

Just hoping fb will come up with a discount code...

Those flowery ones at the bottom of the page are delicious! Not really suitable for a boy, then again said boy is in a pink baby gro.

As machine is fucked, I figured I best get the girl stuff out in case. Already in the girl stuff as disposables have leaked poo three times in the last hour! This is with instant changing! My mum will think I am taking the piss! He seems to be saving all his poo until early evening. No doubt he thinks he is being helpful. Oh yes, and he vommed too.

And DH failed his sodding driving test

We like the fluffy spots, i was given one and it's consistently top of the pile

My mum's convinced on cloth since i spent one night with them in the middle of all the palaver last week and he got wee all over her bed - from Pampers! That and she's as susceptible to cool clothing as me

Angelfold prefolds are fab for us, the RealEasies are to go with my Easyfits to be day nappies with the two parters over night (dp will learn once he gets his dexterity back and isn't needing his sleep as much!) so I'll have teeny fluff to pass on soon. Most was pl to me so won't make much, but it'll help.

Grr @ driving examiners!

I love easy fits too. Ds2 wears them in the day. Cosmos print ones, EBay bargain!!

How is dp doing pp? Are you both getting used to everything that's gone on lately?

Just updated MFP after 3weeks of not using it!!

Is J better now VQ?

Struggled over the weekend - he gets tired extremely quickly and is used to dashing around being busy - but we've likened it to having a broken rib, and he's getting used to his limits and lots of resting up. He still has to do some stuff but not immediately and not if he's too tired

I'm finding it tough with no respite, but it's definitely temporary. They reckon he'll be back where he was in a year.

A year sounds good. The good thing is too you both sound positive about things and not wanting to rush. Also dp gets to see the important developmental stuff R will be doing. Will yours and dps parents come over and help?

Did you get your fluff? My, well babies Angry Birds nappy arrived yesterday.

Mine are local, dp's aren't - we were staying with them when it happened.

Fluff on it's way <squee> now i need to sort the For Sale pile! Anyone want dibs on GUC nb fluff?

Fluff parcels always make me smile. Got a rainbow fleece wrap coming soon too. Need to post the ones I sold tomorrow. I've been walking outdoors everyday now, don't care if its raining either!

I've made a washing fail. I washed the cheeky wipes with the fluff and all the inserts have gone turquoise!!

Uh oh nappyhappy - have you got some colour run remover? Think it's by dylon but not sure - should do the trick. Joe do you Luke the cheeky wipes, I love them - just gave a Cheeky Wipes kit to pg SIL for Christmas (she asked for it on our recommendation!)

PP so glad to hear you sounding positive, as NH says it will be great for your DP to be around R. Does he have sick pay / benefits? How long are you on mat leave for? Hope this doesn't mean you have to go back sooner than planned.

I've had to order some Real Easies I couldn't resist the offer - in my quest to find an AIO my DD won't outpee in under 2 hours. I've just put 2 bamboo boosters in a miosolo to try out tomorrow. I've been using an LL bamboo booster folded double in those & my 2 cheapies and it only lasts 2 hrs. What does everyone else use in their pockets? Any other booster ideas?

Ps loads of offers on Clean Grean Nappy Machine website at the mo! Inc motherease wraps for about £7 and cheap bummis and blueberry wraps too. Tempted to try a blueberry AIO...

I'm back on Thursday but only work 4 hours a week i got made redundant a few weeks before i got pg. SSP only for dp cunts need to get to CAB to see what help we can get.

I use small prefolds in my cheapie pockets, or an extra hemp booster is apparently good in a RealEasy (I've not needed to try yet though)

Ooooh, I've a Bummi I love it. No leaks. Thank you Biscuit!!

PP, when dh was off after one of his many bowel ops I was on ML and we got an increase in Tax Credits and the full amount of Housing and Council Tax benefit. It was only needed for a few months and when he returned back to work they made the last payment the month after he got a full pay. Unfortunately as he was getting SSP and still employed we didn't get a big increase in Tax Credits but we got by. Going to hospital on the bus in the middle of Summer 8months pg with ds1 in tow and (you can lol at this) an old lady shopping trolley with his clean clothes in

Hopefully you'll get enough to manage. At least you're saving on nappies!! Look into Income Support/Child Tax Credit too, not sure what the earning threshold is for those.

We are experts in poo from that experience!!

Are you looking forward to going back to work in a way?

Biscuit, its only the inserts that are dyed so I'm going to leave them, its an improvement on the grey tinge!

In the day ds1 has an insert and a ll bamboo booster shoved in the easy fit and ds2 has the same. Prob get about 3 hours ish.

Cotton Bottoms are now Bummis, right? Only I've got shitloads of CB's i bought in a random bundle...

Wtc is calculated on last tax year so won't make much difference. I thought ctc was for childcare? Not sure on housing as I own, might get the interest paid for a bit though... I really don't want to claim jsa again, twats

I love my teens, but not sure how i feel at leaving ds - and now dp - for so long luckily i have a tonne of AL to take so am working alternate weeks this term!

I didn't know they had changed names!

If they are med/lge tag me in a pic yo. Always need wraps

CTC is based on income I think. You might have to look on Direct.gov Always worth ringing the Tax Credits and explaining the situation.

Hmmm, could your mortgage provider give you a payment break maybe or check any insurance you have on the repayments?

Even though it'll be great to get back to work its still going to be a bit meh leaving the chaps Arghh!!

I've just got an email from my boss asking if I'm going back.

I have 4-10, 7-11 + 8-15 lb sizes in plain white excellent condition. Mmao or swap several for something funky?

He's rocking the Buddha look. T'would need next size up. Are you gonna EBay and FB them?

How much money are you lot willing to put on the rest of my fluffy post arriving while we're at our scan and ante natal clinic tomorrow?

Bloody law of sod.

Sorry Pidj, I didn't mean to be rude/nosy about your financial circs - I was just hoping that you wouldn't have be away from R sooner than you were comfortable with, didn't mean to pry. Good luck for Thursday, I expect you will spend the whole time worrying and everything will be absolutely fine!

VQ all the best drivers fail at least 4 times that is mighty annoying though - as is the washing machine going bust - argh! What a pain in the arse. How's J's chest? Is he sleeping any better?

Nappyhappy the blue boosters sound rather nice!

Does anyone know if hemp is more absorbent than bamboo? And has anyone got one of the nappy lady's mega huge night boosters? I think I remember BFG mentioning them a while back but might be wrong. Still on sposies at night, planning to give a boosted bumble or maybe a real easy (depending on how I get on with them) a go but I do fear it's doomed to failure. NH what do you use on your DS2 at night?

MrsR which of your fluffy parcels have arrived, what's in the stash so far?! Is your Dc1 still in nappies (sorry cant remember) or will you have to wait til the new one arrives to try them out...

Have just realised, like a numpty, that I could actually sell some of my miosolos to fund further nappy experiments. Doh! Off to spend money I haven't yet earned... Maybe I will try a bamboo fitted...? Hmmmm.... What next....

It's something i need to get straight in my head. The plan was to get ds and subsequent sibling(s) to school before i went back to work - i did 7 years in social care then 3 months in lettings then redundant then pg so not exactly a high flying career to abandon - keeping my current youth work plus any more that came along so I've got current experience and references. Major reevaluation is on the cards imminently. I'm setting up a branch of my area nappy library and have had interest in my crochet hats and bootees so am building on that immediately, will worry about the mortgage in a month or two when i have to hit my savings!

I need to wait for the baby to arrive first, DS1 is 8 The stash is tiny at the mo, couple of Baba and Boos and a Mama Knows Best. There's some little lambs bamboo, blueberry wraps, a ones and twos and a tots bots easyfit(chosen by DS so it's the superhero one) on the way.

Pidj, is your local CAB handy to you? Might be worth a pop in to get some advice. CTC aren't just for childcare, there is an extra element to it for that though. Again, it could be worth giving them a ring.

Bloody hell Mrs! That is a package! Course it'll turn up when you're out.

Using TB Bamboozles, think they are the version before this one so are well loved. With an insert over the top and between the wrap. Any wrap over the top, the TB ones don't leak on him. phew!

Currently got ds2 poking me in the belly button whilst watching Ben and holly. Thanks!

It looks awful written down like that [shocked] Mum gave me some Christmas money and is totally bemused that I spent it on nappies! I have some very naughty enabling friends though.

Yes, just awaiting a conjunction of dp's energy levels and their opening hours...

Doh! I've just noticed you mentioned CAB earlier. Sorry.

I need some new nappies. Dh took dd2 for her talipes clinic and left the change bag on the bus in town. Think someone's had it cos the bus company dont have it apparently there was 5 clean nappies in there! How is everyone doing? I've not posted for a while- I keep getting distracted

How crap Kentucky - I've lost so many things on buses...always had the wallets returned though thankfully!

The nappy lady's super-duper booster has hardly ever been used. I used it overnight with no great success and it's so bulky that I couldn't possibly use it under day clothes. Good job I only bought one. From memory, nappy lady has some boosters that aren't quite so super-duper so perhaps worth trying them? Haven't got much to share I'm afraid. Hopefully, the weeing is just a phase that'll pass. THis is also why people like to move up nappy sizes (on fitteds) as soon as they can - to improve absorbancy. VQ's idea RE prefolds stuffing sounds good.

MrsR - fluff should come with a warning 'can become addictive'.

KFC, what kind of nappies do you use? I received some RAOK ones that I'm still using but might be able to spare something early?

Just saw you on a premmie thread MrsR. I too have had a premmie - nearly 33 weeks and good weight etc. I'm desperately hoping this little dear goes longer. How are you doing? Have you gone past the previous drop date?

Oh KFC that sucks - keep trying the bus company though.

BFG I can't afford another addiction, I already have too many slings (according to DH.)

I'm 33+2, DS was born at exactly 34 weeks, and we were discharged from consultant led care to our community midwife today! This baby seems very, very comfy where it is

Pidj I have a selection I have tots bots, bambino mio, bambooty, bum genius, fuzzi buns and a couple of pre-folds and terries. The ones I lost were an assortment of those. If anyone fancies passing on any then name a price and postage. I'm not fussy what type. I've already looked on my local selling sites and it seems there are no fluffy babies near me! Saying that I am the only one I know that uses a sling too. The village near us is quaite naice and full of stokkes whereas I am a bit lentil weavery by comparison

Oh and MrsR and LeBFG I've had 3 premmies and each one has been later than the last. Ds 32 wks, dd1 34, dd2 35. Hopefully yours do the same

I've got two mio wraps in small, and can spare a few cottonbottoms prefolds in small and medium. Pm me your address and I'll pass along my MN RAOK. If you link me your fb i can add you to some fluffy groups too

PS I'm also the only sling wearer in the villArge, but have found one other fluffy mum. Still managed to talk my children's centre into hosting a nappycino and slingmeet though <proud>

Gutted for you KFC. Not good. How did she get on at clinic?

That's brilliant PP, are you going to advertise it locally too and see how it all goes? Its quite community orientated round here, in the cafe that they have but its more towards well being. Indian head massages and reflexology £10 an hour might have to treat myself.

I'm starting Baby Massage on Friday so can check out other babies for fluff. They all think I'm a bit weird round here anyway and don't get why I bother with washable things when its just more work and look at me funny because of how I dress and that I don't want the kids wearing ADIDAS track suits.

I'm not a fan of the Stokkes, they remind me of office chairs and cost a grand from what I've seen. Is it vair naice where you are?

I love the term lentil weaver they were called crusties when I was a teen. How pleasant!!

I'm meeting up with my area's Nappy Lady on Friday, I'm going to promote her library and products for a percentage of sales. Easier than starting from scratch, she's got the infrastructure, I've got the contacts. Slings will be my friend who's a proper consultant

First time i went to bf group, there were 8 babies and 7 maxi cosi pebble car seats Poor ds is doomed, doomed i tell you <hurtles off into distance cackling and trailing yards of sling>

Ooh now I'm wondering who your babywearing consultant friend is and if I know them. I'm intrigued

My location (approximate) is on my profile which will give you a clue. I'm more westerly than the obvious, though - meet is this Friday afternoon...

Pidj I dont have facebook I just use dh's when I want something off the local pages but he wont want his news feed clogged up with nappy chat lol. I will pm you

NappyHappy where we live is in the middle of nowhere but the nearest village (about 3 miles away) is vair posh full of yummies and their ridiculous chelsea tractors <rolls eyes> Half of them live right next to the school and still drive when it would take all of 5 mins to walk. In our "village" (which is actually just a few houses/farms) it is more cottagy type houses with real fires and cows. Our house is probably one of the bigger ones as its newer. I want to get some chickens but I'm a bit concerned that the dog would try and eat them like she does with my neighbours cats.

Dd2 is getting on really well with her clubfoot. She's on her 4th cast and the consultant is happy with the progress. They say probably another 3 casts then an op to loosen the tendon and the a couple more casts while it heals and then boots on a bar until she's around 1 when she can start having them only at night. There is a bit of concern about the bones in her foot but hopefully they can correct it and there shouldn't be too much lasting damage.

We're in the process of bonfiring a shit load of stuff from our "spare" room (it's not really spare but ds and dd1 have been sharing for the last couple years cos they prefer it) so that we can re-decorate it for ds. I am hoping he will cope ok with the change. He's quite excited at the moment but he has aspergers and so he might end up getting upset when it's time to move rooms. We have 4 bedrooms but one of them is my workroom so the girls will share once dd2 is old enough and I can bear to part with her I'm not working atm cos tbh I cant be arsed but I will get back to it soon enough. I'm kinda missing my sewing machine so I might start doing some stuff for fun. Perhaps some new quilts for the kids

I have them all set to No Notifications it's worth it just to boggle at some of the prices tbh!

ridiculous chelsea tractors <rolls eyes> . Luuurvely!

Our dog was a rehomer and chased cats relentlessly (he's half spaniel). He's tried to 'mouth' the ducks a bit but dogs are in general pretty trainable. Young labs are the worst with poultry ime. How trainable is yours KFC?

I'm 31 weeks today so getting close to DS' gestation. I have a scan/consultation afternoon on the 21st. I'm just looking to reach that. So far, no symptoms of imminent birth but that was the same for DS so... She is moving around still - breech then head down, much more mobile than DS was. Fx for us both MrsR .

Alva are going to send on another nappy . Hopefully, they'll keep their word and DS will have his tiger print. Pidj, sounds really great what you're doing. Best of luck with it.

She is trained mostly but she's a bit thick, bless her, and forgets her training when she gets excited. Of course it doesnt help that dh thinks she is his baby and all she has to do is the eyes-and-sideways-head routine and he's putty. He calls me her mummy She's coming into season and keeps barking (usually at her own reflection in the window) and generally being a bit hormonal plus she keeps trying to hump dh's legs. She sure loves her 'daddy' <boak> She's a staffy x lab, mostly staffy, and chews everything and has a penchant for lightning mcqueen and socks. Ds got one of those inflatable flip out sofa things for xmas with LmcQ on it and she's decided its her bed. She keeps stealing his LmcQ soft toy too

KFC, dh's dig is a staffie/jack cross and a complete tool. She pukes all over the kitchen floor and when let in the front room when the kids aren't there she drags her backside akk over the carpets and pisses everywhere. Then when I let her out she runs off. I'm not chasing her anymore I've had enough of her. Then there us the constant barking and howling and scratching the door. DH will not be rid of her. I can't stand the thing.

Chelsea Tractors. brilliant, no need for them dude! Some of the kids at ds's school get driven there when they live less than 10 mins away, why can't the walk? I love walking.

That's good news about dd, does she have colored casts?

I ordered my sewing machine last night from that lunk you sent me bfg, should be here Monday. Put it on my Cc but will smash my money jar open and pay it straight off. Trying to pay my debts off before ml finishes. Nearly done

That sounds like a great plan pp, money for her, money for you, Win win!!

Are they all Maxi Cosi's round where you live? The pram of choice round here is the Leebruss and Senator. Huge things.

How is dp doing?

I love walking too, in fact we walk to school every day (plus the nearest bus to town is in the village by the school and I cant drive) so including the walking round the house/walking dog etc I probably cover about 20 odd miles a day. The yummies all think I'm daft. I dont care

See I wouldnt put up with a dog that was pissing everywhere That's rank. Ours is lovely apart from the idiocy and I cant cope with the barking since she doesnt wake the kids and the neighbours cant hear her anyway. She doesnt do it if the lights are off so once we're in bed she's quiet.

I went to a baby and toddler group yday in the village and the other mums with tinies were all when I turned up sans carseat I'm using a Petunia Pickle Bottom soujourn sling atm (soooo pretty) and they were like 'where will you put her' and I said I would <shock horror> hold her. The looks on their faces. I wont be going back to the catsbumface society group They clearly think I'm a loon!

i can cope

10 minutes away? That's miles, no wonder the poor sods drive. I live less than 3 minutes walk from the school, there is a mum who lives closer than me who drops her kids off in her car every single morning. Initially I though she must be going on to work, but no - she turns around and drives home. It must take her longer to get the kids strapped in and pull out of her street (v busy junction) than it would to walk.

The parents round here already think I'm bonkers because DH and I don't go to the pub every weekend, and DS does judo and gymnastics (which is for girls natch ) instead of football. I can't wait to see their reactions when I rock up to school with the baby in my storch! Especially if it's a boy, because the wrap I've got is rather PINK!

We're going against the grain! Ha! We are the anti clique

Luckily I've a carpet cleaner and dehumidifier so it can be cleaned and dry in a couple of hours. Like I've not got enough to do without cleaning up after shitedog.

I'll be using my Lifft on Friday when I go to baby massage. Buggy walking there then ds3 in sling whilst me and ds2 walk to the class. You park your prams in the porch area then walk through the centre.

I think it was only me that noticed the matching car seats, there is now another mum who walks with a pram so we walk home together they're all just curious about the slings and cloth, it's just a different decision round here iyswim

of all the lovely slings. I have my black VSL stretchy and a pale blue/cream wahm mt that i got for 99p on fleabay. ISO a ssc with buckles for dp and a several pretty woven for me. I'll probably make myself a mt when i get time, mine has very short straps and no padding or hood.

DP is coming on rapidly. Signed off work till March and we've decided that we'll cope on savings/benefits plus him doing short term contracts for a year or so - he's doing a 1 day software install next week for more than i could earn in a week! It'll ne tight but manageable

I'm back at youth club tonight, equally dreading it and really excited to see all the kids!

Fingers crossed for you pp for tonight.

That sounds like a plan, and that sounds like a mahoosive install.

Can you get hold of mt patterned easy enough?

Make Baby Stuff has lots of lovely patterns including a MT pattern. There's a page of nappy and wipe ideas too. I've had the woolie longies tute bookmarked for aaaaaaages. I wonder if I'll ever get round to making them

Pidj, have a fab time at youth club tonight, I'm sure the kids will be just as chuffed to see you!

MrsR that site shows alot of the kind of stuff I make for a living I have a few new ideas <tucks them under hat> and I'm considering starting work again soon. Baby is lovely but she's so good I dont know what to do with myself! Its nice to see other crafty types, though I suppose if you cross sectioned the sling/fluffy mums alot of them would be into crafts, or at least most of the ones I have met in rl are anyway

They did fantastically - better than i normally do! Apart from ds vomiting spectacularly twice - think his eyes are bigger than his tummy when it comes to bottles - they had giggles and games all evening.

Dp is exhausted with a splitting headache now but I'm off out with my mum all day tomorrow so he can rest up.

I crochet, am making hats for people who like ds's reindeer (on profile) and bunny. I can do that while bfing! on the left

Must get some sleep, the boys have been zonked for 45 minutes now! I'll investigate the link next feed

That's brilliant pp! Did you sneak a pic of them both? it was good all round then!!

I've had a banging head for 2 days now, think I'm run down and coming down with flu.

Nah, bedroom's a tip!

I'm a bit crap at crochet I used to make clothes but since having dcs I've been doing baby things like change bags and toys. I'm making it my new mission to make 'babywearing' <boak> more accessible cos I think people dont do it because they think it's too much faff. I have a new idea for a sling that may or may not work but I'm going to try it out and if it does I'll post a pic. I'll try and dig out my flash drive that has some of the stuff I've sold in the past too

Yay KFC I can't stand the term "babywearing."

I don't like "attachment parenting" either because I don't think I am very "AP" I just do what works for us and our kids. If pushed I'd label myself a "make it up as I go along parent"

I can sew in a straight line and cross stitch, I've made laundry bags and taggie blankets for friends, and I made a toy MT for DS when he was little. That's about the limit of my abilities.

Looking forward to seeing your sling idea!

Baby led parenting. they lead, we follow.

You lot have inspired me to get sewing again. I'd love to learn crochet, do you think that new mag that's come out will be any good?

Just got back from baby massage, synchronized crying! was very nice though, they held the class in the sensory room. ds2 didn't mind being in the creche either.

Why do men always leave the bedroom a tip? Sounds like they had a ball!

Hi all, glad it went so well last night Pidj Hope you're feeling better NappyHappy, flu is miserable, I've had a cold lurgy for about a week and its lifting now but has not been fun. My real easy nappies arrived today and they are looooovely! Bought cos I can't resist a sale, 2 large and 2 small (so I have to have another baby now?!) the PUL outer ones are ok but the minky ones are so thick and soft, baby biscuit picked them up straight away and ran round cuddling them and shouting 'gorgeous'! thinking of swapping the PUL ones for minky if they still have any in stock.... Or maybe I should just send the PUL ones back, I don't really need them. But,but, but... I want them!

V impressed by your craftiness KFC! Wish I had your problem and was looking for ways to fill my time I still haven't finished knitting the (first of) a pair of wristwarmers I started about 14 months ago...sigh...

Bless her, yes it dies mean you have to have another barbie

The dog has shat allover the kitchen floor an had a big wee too just for good measure.

Deep breaths.

I've got a sorry you were out card from Royal Mail, more fluff?? Probably.

Oh baby massage.... I'm having 'Nam style flash backs. I took DS when he was about 3 months, he peed in the face of the same little boy, two weeks in a row. Mortified doesn't even come close. After that we just kept his nappy on.

I was wondering about that mag, I've tried to crochet and knit so many times without success. It just involves my fingers doing too many different things, I'll stick to cross stitch. The results are beautiful and people who don't cross stitch are always impressed even though it's just painting by numbers with thread

Oh and the postie has been! "DS'" super hero tots bot is here, I can't wait for him to see it. It's absolutely gorgeous. He made an excellent choice.

Thing is Biscuit ds is in school all day and dd1 is in nursery so I just have a v placid baby to deal with (and an excitable dog but she's no bother really) and obvis all the house stuff but that's not really much tbh. I'm a total insomniac so i'm up for around 20-22 hrs a day and I have to fill that time somehow. I cant spend all my time on MN

NH, the card's probably from me

My Realeasies came today too, prewash tomorrow and straight on his bum! All minky, too fluffy not to!

I've borrowed a woven from the sling library

The blue one pp? That's a great pic of you both. Its either off you or its my edging scissors

I can't wait to get it, shall go Tuesday.

I'm steaming with flu/cold this morning and feel very meh. Somebody please come and look after the boys me.

Ds2 who is the worst sleeper out if the 3 woke just as I was dropping off which didn't help, got to make his appt re the rocking and head banging, he'll do it for hours if I let him he's started shaking his head from side to side too.

Mrs R, they all started crying after a bit cos they got tired and wanted feeding, we had to sing. Not good!!

Pidj what have you borrowed??

NH I think it's contagious, once one starts grizzling, they all do. It's like wee ones have some kind of hive mind.

Thanks KFC I feel a bit better - one day I'll have time to do something productive, one day... roll on primary school

Decided to keep the pul real Easies - justified it because of postage, it would have cost me £2.20 I think to send them back. So, because I didn't, I've actually saved the 2.20, meaning the nappies were even cheaper. How do you like my reasoning?! When did post get so expensive?! I'm going to try to sell a couple of MioSolos on fb but 2nd signed for will cost 3.20! I'll have to put them on at a slightly cheeky price to make it worth it...

NH I hope you get some help with the kids today, it's so hard when your ill, is your DH able to take them out somewhere for a bit?