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Biodegradable nappies(32 Posts)
I want to try biodegradable nappies as feel so terrible about the landfill we're producing with our trusty Pampers. The problem is, I really do think Pampers do a brilliant job of keeping her little bum dry, comfy and rash free. She produces ALOT of wee at night and has leaked several times with other nappy brands, but Pampers Baby Dry keep her dry for 12 hours straight and also are relatively good at containing the more explosive poos! So I'm nervous about switching and don't want to risk (more than usual) disturbed nights, or even worse, any nappy rash. Would interested in hearing others' experiences of biodegrade nappies. Thanks.
Hi anderel, I agree with you - it does seem disgusting and not acceptable to compost those types of nappies. However, I think I am going to embark on a experiment myself with the 100% biodegradable nappies (gNappies) and the HotBin which goes to 60C which is supposed to kill all bacteria and pathogens. Will let you know how I get on and whether it had worked )
This is the NZ compostable nappy I was talking about:http://www.envirochoice.co.nz/Site/Composting/default.aspx
Sorry, late night posting made for some factual errors! Home composting poo is not recommended as may not get hot enough to kill pathogens. So, not illegal. Putting poo in council garden compost collection is not allowed for the same reason, but also for health and safety of waste handlers. Many councils require adult hygiene waste (incontinence products)to be double-bagged and incinerated however nappies are free to go with normal waste. Unsure why the double standards. In my county all waste is incinerated...
Hi TonyCal - can you please let us know about how fast do they compost and whether you know if Hotbin will compost anything but the gNappies??Have you had any experience composting nappies of any sort and if yes - which brands? Thanks
Hi anderel - why is composting nappies illegal? Where does it say that ... and it's legal to fill the landfill? I don't get it. Thanks
I've looked into this and have concluded composting nappies is not viable. For starters, it's illegal to home compost pooey nappies. Then there's the fact that you would need a HUGE compost bin/pile to deal with all the nappies. I found a NZ company that makes compostable nappies and has pics of the degradation on their website. Basically they put one nappy in a standard sized garden compost bin and after 3 months it still looked like a nasppy, but black. Hmmm. Apparently it had broken down by 30%. Sorry I can't seem to find any relevant links.
Hi Sorry we missed the post. If anyone would like a copy of the case study and test results of home composting disposable nappies I can provide, or follow the link to our blog: www.hotbincomposting.com/.../can-i-compost-nappies-diapers.aspx#sthash.ccTPa2Ui.dpuf
If you would like more info on how and why there are different reports on how fast they compost or what happens in to them in landfill we can also provide.
Hi girls! I have been really worried as I am expecting my baby and I am an absolute freak when it comes to composting and making sure everything goes in the right place. So I have just stumbled upon an interesting read about the gNappies and Hotbins (I have a hotbin which I use for my garden composting in which all sorts of food - cooked or uncooked goes and up until now it works flawlessly - it has thousands of massive worms in it making sure they do not leave anything behind - the worms came into the bin by themselves (it is not a wormery)) and wanted to share with all of you what I read today :http://www.hotbincomposting.com/boards/t/844/can-i-compost-nappies-diapers.aspx
Also had a look on the gNappie website and those nappies look amazing - http://www.gnappies.com/environmentally-friendly-nappies/start-here
Let me know if you have already experimented with the gNappies as I am due in February and I might to start another Hotbin before winter comes in as you need to get it hot before throwing masses of nappies in it.
Has anyone used/heard of gNappies? I've just seen them on ocado, it's a system with washable pants but compostable/biodegradable insert. Might be worth a look?
The more I read up about biodegradable products the more incensed I become! I mean there really is no point in having them unless they are disposed of properly and we just don't have those facilities widely and easily available. It therefore becomes simply a marketing ploy to allow companies to charge more for supposed green credentials How has there not been some kind of Panorama story about this?! Or maybe there has and I missed it, but I'm pretty sure most of the population doesn't know you need to dispose of biodegradable products specially. (considering name change to Disgustedoftunbridgewells....)
Biscuit - thanks for that - I'll look it up.
phiney very interesting experiment, pls update as to how it goes?
I used beaming baby and bambo on DD for the first 11 months, had a few leaks at the beginning with the explosive breastfed poos but no worse than anyone else i know who was using pampers. I just put them in my black bin bag, on the basis that I know it's not perfect but surely they will rot down a bit? But sounds like I may be wrong on that after reading hhis thread! Switched to washables at 11 months after doing a trial and thinking/fearing I would be a massive hassle and it wasn't at all! I was too exhausted / overwhelmed to do it sooner but now use washables all the time except at night.
blushing or anyone who is considering washables, it's worth checking out the 'try cloth for £10' from fill your pants website to give you a feel for the different nappies.
Good point BikeRunSki, I ought to check what they do with the black bin rubbish round here. Burning bamboo's got to be better than burning plastic.
didireallysaythat I don't think moltex do claim that - the study in Ireland was done by a university department and they used worm composting which is different to general garden composting - that's why I was trying it out.
I used cloth during the day with DS and Bambo bamboo disposables at night/on holiday/ when out and about. I am now doing the sane with DD. I have never had any problems with the performance of the Bambos. I did try to compost some at home, but it was rather smelly having the nappies hanging out in the garden. Even with worms, nothing much had happened after three months and I threw them away. My local authority incinerates rather than landfills, so I figured I'd rather have them burn bamboo than whatever Pampers et al are made of.
I use moltex - I don't think they make any claim that the are truely biodegradable, and we are putting them into landfill so they are going to rot as slowly as everything else in there. However I think the resources used to make them may be less than other nappies.
spiritofnature.com will send you free samples if you want to try different types of nappies - their customer support is good and they were the cheapest place I've found for them (I buy boxes of 140+)
Sorry forgot to make the links into links...
That was my understanding too ValiumQueen - you're not meant to put biodegradable things in landfill because they are surrounded by non-biodegradable things there and so it doesn't work (bit like filling your compost bin with plastic I suppose).
Personally, I think a lot of the things that say they are biodegradable are probably "greenwash" but with the plastic bags, I suppose at least it means in the sea and when they are lying about in the environment they will eventually rot?
Here are the links blushingmare:
The Irish stuff (it's a rather amateur website - use the links down the left hand side to access the various pages):
I got some free samples here for my composting experiment:
I must say I checked on them today (buried them 17th Aug) and not much composting is going on so far, but I gave them a good watering and will check again in November. The baby is due Dec 21st so I need to make a decision either way by then.
My DH is not very keen I must say, but I reckon he'll give it a go if I can prove the things will biodegrade without doing the worm thing. I noticed today some of the right sort of worms had found them all by themselves though.
LOL, if this works I can annoy the council by becoming the local nappy composting expert (what I really want is to get the council to set up their own nappy composting site, as they do for garden waste and so on). It might just work - the borough has a good track record for trying new things.
We used the nature ones with DS, but found when he was bigger that he only stayed dry at night in Huggies (something to do with the shape, I think), so our compromise was Nature for day and Huggies for night.
It is because biodegradable things produce methane which is 23 times worse for the environment than CO2. Biodegradable things are not meant to go to landfill because of the methane. Not that I understand much about this you understand. I am no scientist.
We use nature ones and they've been great. I have been pretty conservative with size and moved my DD up a size as soon as it seemed remotely necessary. She's in them all night 7-7 too and no issues so far.
I thought landfill was only for things that did not break down? I do not know. Hopefully the links mentioned earlier will help.
Oh dear. How very frustrating. As mentioned upthread, Aldi nappies are pretty good. Other people do have problems I am sure, but very few mums will openly admit any 'failings' in real life.
Also, I'm probably being really thick here, but can someone explain to me why it's a problem for biodegradable nappies to decompose in landfill? I don't understand why this is a bad thing - I thought they just rot down quicker in the landfill and are therefore taking up less room, but I'm obviously missing something. And presumably this is the case for all biodegradable things we have - like packaging, carrier bags, etc, but noone tells you you need to do anything special to dispose of these things so what's the point if everyone's just putting it all out with their main rubbish?
Phineyj that's an interesting experiment you're carrying out there! Please let me know how it goes - I'd love to know the results! And yes I'd be interested in those links if you still have them thanks. Valium I haven't discounted reusables, but I think maybe will revisit the idea later when not feeling so overwhelmed by everything else
even though dd is 4 months old I still seem to have little time for anything other than feeding and settling to sleep, and maybe getting a bit more sleep so mind can focus on such decisions !!
However day 1 of my biodegradables trial has not gone well. Have had her in 2 brands - Nature Baby and Beaming Baby, and have major leakages from both. Haven't managed to get decent wear from a single nappy today, so not holding out too much hope...! I must have a wee and poo monster for a baby because other people don't seem to have these problems!
I am sorely tempted by the Lakeland airer. Pennies to run, and if you put a sheet over it is even quicker apparently.
Drying washable nappies - you can use radiators as mentioned above or we have one of those electric airers from Lakeland, very easy.
How about a washable nappy laundry service? That way you use the washables but do not have to wash them yourself?
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