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NOW CLOSED MN Survey-time: lots of prizes to be won(85 Posts)
We have a couple of surveys live at the moment either for MNHQ or for clients - we'd love you to complete which ever ones you qualify for. Please keep an eye on winners' corner on talk for the prize draw winning MN nicknames.
NOW CLOSED A survey open to all UK parents: add your opinion and your details at the end and you'll be entered into a prize draw where one MNer will win a £150 M&S voucher.
NOW CLOSED: And a survey about events you may attend with your family - open to all UK MNers - there's a £250 voucher to be won for this one!
NOW CLOSED: Secondly a survey all about undertaking paid work and children. This survey is for all UK MNers who have at least one child and were working before they had children. It doesn't matter whether you are currently in paid work or not, we still want to hear from you. Add your details at the end and you could win a £200 Love2Shop voucher.
NOW CLOSED: And last but not least - a survey about sanitary protection - open to all UK women - and you could win a £50 Amazon voucher for sharing your views.
Thanks so much and best of luck with the prize draws!
Done. I think I've done the second on twice now, and probably given slightly different answers. Feel free to delete one if you need to!
Well never have I felt so annoyed about a MN survey!
Auntie Daisy? Why are they perpetuating the myth that menstruation is somehow shameful and should be hidden? Who is embarrassed to buy tampons in 2014?
I find it incredible that an apparently charitable enterprise aiming to help women in other countries have access to sanitary protection think it is a great marketing ploy to encourage UK women to feel they need to get their tampons delivered in "discreet" packaging and suggests they could be embarrassed buying them in a shop. What is that saying apart from that periods are shameful? Is it still the 1950s?
AnnMumsnet on the survey about working and having children, there are questions about your salary and whether it has decreased, then asking whether you are full or part time.
I'm assuming if you went back part time after ML (having previously worked full time), the survey wouldn't count that as a decrease in salary? Even though it is a decrease in income.
It's not clear, so I thought I'd ask...
AnneEyhtMeyer - point noted and will be passed on!
TeaandHobnobs - again point noted - thanks.
Improving access to sanitary protection in developing countries is something that interests me greatly so thanks for the chance to get more involved!
Er Anne sadly I get embarrassed and I know full well this is daft so you needn't tell me that.
Omg, though what a rip off at daisy. So to save my
non-existent 'embarrassment' of buying them in the store they want to charge me double. Sod that, have they never heard of home delivery from supermarkets, chemists, etc. Ok yes I know they are donating to charity, but would rather save a small fortune and give privately.
It's the Graze box of menstruation. FFS.
Well Mignonette I suggest you order them from Amazon or Boots or a supermarket where they won't rip you off, then donate separately to the cause.
If you know it is daft to be embarrassed then you should want the stigma to be removed so that others don't go through what you do, rather than encouraging people to think that menstruation is shameful and protection should be delivered in "discreet packaging".
I think Auntie Daisy's business model is ridiculous. I buy my sanpro as part of the big weekly shop, so the delivery charge/petrol cost is spread over the entire shop, and is negligible for each individual item. Why would I pay lots extra to have it delivered to my door?
Hi MN, in the working one, Q7, could there be the option to select multiple answers? Ie my working patterns have changed in more than 1 way.
Hi everyone, in response to your feedback, Auntie Daisy have said:
"Auntie Daisy by no means think that a period is something to be embarrassed about – we believe the complete opposite in fact! Girls in some countries miss school every month because of their periods, which is just not right, and that’s why Auntie Daisy was created in the first place. We’re proud to support Camfed – to help make sure that periods don’t get in the way of girls education.
This survey is simply to find out about women’s attitudes towards their periods – no assumptions have been made about anything.
Auntie Daisy packaging is discreet because, whilst a period is nothing to be embarrassed about, women might not perhaps want their postman/woman knowing the ins and outs of their monthly cycle!
The service is not designed because we think periods are something to hide. More, it is designed for convenience – to give women who might have been caught out by their period in the past, one less thing to think about each month."
Gosh that Auntie Daisy thing is odd. Camfed is a charity that looks really interesting, and (on reading their website), resonates with me really strongly. Yet Auntie Daisy seems really misguided, for the reasons above And it makes me feel really really sorry for the charity, as I think they have been very poorly advised.
Also - as well as what has been said already, most people surely use a mix of pads/tampons. And there is no non-app tampon option. Also, the charity page on the AD site does not mention why sanitary protection is SO important wrt education...
One less thing to think about each month? Yes, us silly airhead women couldn't possibly remember that we bleed regularly. And we couldn't possibly stock up in advance. Nope, we need "auntie daisy" (how twee) to deliver them to our door and help us silly bimbos to remember. Will they come and pop them in our knickers/vadges for us too?
It gets worse then from their response.
So not only should we be embarrassed about something natural. And yes, regardless of how they want to phrase it, this is what they believe. But we are also a bunch of airheads who cannot possibly think for ourselves and ensure we have sanitary protection every month.
Wonder how they will insult us next.
Although do I have a smaller than average letterbox. There is no way would I get a pack of always through the slot.
"The Graze box of menstruation" LMFAO :D!
I'm not that interested because I just worked out that my mooncup has now cost me something like 34p a month, and it is more eco friendly, less leaky, easier to use, more comfortable, I can swim or do anything with it in, it's easier to dispose of the blood, and I don't need to remember to buy it each month. Or, in fact, each year.
It is hard to beat a mooncup. (No I do not work for them!)
Agree with Hazel - I feel sorry for the charity, they have been really badly advised linking themselves with this.
Auntie Daisy (yes, this is twee) can argue they aren't suggesting people should be embarrassed, but that was the focus of their survey and is the focus of their website.
From their website they show that they think that women are embarrassed that they menstruate, are too dim to remember their period is due, and are foolish enough to pay extortionate prices for an inadequate amount of sanitary protection to be delivered in a discreet package.
I also question how much they actually donate to charity. It is easy to say 100% of profits to make it sound like a grand gesture, but what does it mean in reality? I couldn't find anywhere on their FAQs where it stated how much per pack was donated. I suspect it isn't very much after they deduct for the product, packaging, postage, premises and salaries.
The name is twee, the premise is questionable.
I never said anything about not wanting to remove the stigma and being embarrassed doesn't mean that I react to it by ordering them from Amazon.
I have done nothing to 'encourage' stigma other than fill in the survey. Wind your neck in love.
And some of us would rather 'be ripped off' as you so unpleasantly put it by contributing to a charity helping women who have more things to worry about than the man on the Waitrose check out till
And the fact is that especially during menopause when you think you have finished bleeding, you DO sometimes get caught out. Many of us run out of tampons and it has nothing whatsoever to do with being an airhead.
My life when i was menstruating was frenetically busy with children and a very demanding career and this is no different to any other form of on line shopping. It is one less thing to worry about each month and it is not a suggestion at all that we are too dim to remember.
If your mate came round with a bottle of wine saying she'd bought it because you are busy and it is one less thing to worry about/ remember to get would she get the big feminista tirade too?
I'm still struggling with the brands you'd like to see at a family fun day out.
I almost put:
but thought better of it.
Oh and yes, Auntie Daisey or whatever, awful awful awful.
Slight difference between a friend bringing round a surprise bottle of wine for you because you were too busy to buy one and a company assuming you can't keep track of regular bodily functions because you are too busy.
I don't really get this "one less thing to worry about" stuff though. They just get added to the shopping list with everything else. It seems very dated. Like a milkman for your fanjo.
Obviously you are putting your own spin on my posts, Mignonette, so for clarity I will just say this - I didn't say you were encouraging a stigma, I was expecting you to not want others to feel it was a stigma. As for the ripping off aspect, I did not say donating to charity was ripping you off, I just suggested buying them in a similar way without the inflated prices without knowledge of just how much was going to be donated, and instead donating yourself directly.
There is no need to be unpleasant - clearly you have issues with this topic. That isn't a reason to be rude when people disagree with you and offer alternatives.
This isn't a "feminista tirade" whatever that is it is just not wanting people to be treated like fools in the name of "charity" when the actual benefit to the charity is probably negligible.
Oh, and I don't buy tampons every month. I buy a load, and then a while later buy a load more. I therefore never run out.
By buying the products from a supermarket, amazon, chemist whatever, the charity would benefit more.
For the cost of £3.85 chances are 50p ok being generous £1 will go to the charity.
Avoid the website, donate yourself to the charity, the charity gain a lot more. It is also very odd they don't say how much. For all we know from the money they are charging you, 5p could go to the charity.
We don't know because they don't say and I would be very interested in MN trying to find this out.
If you know it is daft to be embarrassed then you should want the stigma to be removed so that others don't go through what you do, rather than encouraging people to think that menstruation is shameful and protection should be delivered in "discreet packaging
I should want the stigma removing is implying that I do not.
I have posted threads and links to sites supporting the provision of sanitary protection to women in other countries less fortunate than ours and have been financially supporting these initiatives for the last few months.
So I don't need to be be told that. Thanks.
I think your own issues are leading you to take things too personally.
Spare me the cod psychology.
Your comment was passive aggressive whereas at least i am straight forward enough to make my annoyance transparent.
My 'issues' as you call them are that I find it mildly embarrassing to buy tampons in a supermarket and be served by a young bloke and yes I am aware that it is a perfectly natural monthly occurrence yada yada. It cause me no inconvenience, doesn't prevent me from carrying it out and is really not that much of an issue.
Just as many of you wouldn't wander around with a sodding great dildo in your Waitrsoe trolley- and sex is a perfectly natural function that rather more people engage in. Now that would bother me not that much .
I think as soon as you start being rude you lose any semblance of being "straight forward". You are the only person showing aggression.
I referred to your problem as "issues" as you yourself said "sadly I get embarrassed and I know full well this is daft". I didn't repeat your assertion that it was daft (which would have been rude).
All I want is people not to be encouraged to think that basic bodily functions are shameful. Your opinions on that do not affect my beliefs.
No I repeat - look at your initial post.
What you replied was pA and that was after your incredulous and angry assertion that you couldn't believe that any women ion 2014 would find it embarrassing.
Well some do- you don't represent us all. Some others would maybe like this service. Quite a few of you might bother to google some of the charities in this field and actually donate to them instead. Direct your anger towards the fact that school attendance falls away massively when young girls menstruate in India instead of a company that is at least trying to highlight this issue. I've seen precious little about it on here until now.
In fact you've spent more energy tirading against Daisy than you have about this issue which is pretty self indulgent.
I would so love to live in a world where I might bump into work colleagues at Tesco and notice they have a big plastic green dildo in their trolley ... but I would be too embarrassed to buy mine there so would have to order charity dildos online... would be one less thing to worry about, anyway!
N.B. this comment isn't intended to side with anyone or contribute so the somewhat cross words being swapped up thread, I have come here purely to relish the dildo in supermarket trolley mental image.
Posted too soon -darn it.
You then implied in your reply that if you know it is daft to be embarrassed then you should....
That all important tome, you see. You comment was not made in a pleasant manner- it was judgey.
. Do Tesco's sell them? Might consider a swap from Waitrose if so
I fear I'm useless to Auntie Daisy as (besides using reusable sanpro anyway) I have PCOS and totally irregular periods, always have done, so monthly deliveries for my "monthlies" - bleargh - would not work out. I'd be drowning in discreet packaging within a year. Ah well.
For heaven's sake - donate directly instead of lining some bloke's pockets. Why pay a third person to make a charitable donation? Support a charity by all means, but this Auntie Daisy firm just comes across as making profit in the name of charity.
Yes, I find it astonishing that an adult could be embarrassed to buy sanitary protection. That isn't passive aggressive or angry. That is stating my feelings. Are people embarrassed to buy toilet paper? What is the difference? I want my DD to grow up not feeling embarrassed by basic bodily functions. I therefore will not support a company who try to suggest that periods are shameful. They're not.
I have never tried to suggest I represent anyone other than myself. Where is your anger coming from?
Your comment about my "self indulgence" is hilarious. You know nothing about me or my donations and preferred charities. My "tirade" as you call it is against someone trying to benefit from someone else's charity by making women feel bad about themselves. I have not criticised the actual charity once. I do not feel I have to advertise how charitable I am when I am discussing my opinions on MN. Those who bleat on about donating to charity are not doing it for the benefit of the charity, in my experience.
Your outright aggression towards me is bizarre. You have tried to insult me by calling me a feminist. That is the oddest way to insult a woman. I take it as a compliment.
Why do you find it astonishing?
I have spent my entire working life coming across adults with all kinds of embarrassments- many about things that wouldn't phase me. We are all different and it doesn't indicate 'issues' per se. My daughter and stepdaughters are all perfectly blase about it; I even changed my daughters protection after she had scoliosis surgery. My son will go out and buy them so no harm done .
Most charitable enterprises benefit indirectly some third or second party. The charitable world has relied on this form of altruistic egosim for want of a better description for a long time.
My anger towards you is based your scathing initial comment about who on earth finds it embarrassing in 2014. That in itself is not that supportive of people who live their life and think differently to you because it demonstrates a complete inability to step outside of your own lived experience.
You are no more or less feminist than me in that respect.
I think you are angry at the wrong person, or your anger is misplaced.
I am astonished that people still feel a perfectly ordinary bodily function is embarrassing. Yes, astonished. Why is it embarrassing? Why aren't people questioning that? Why is it acceptable for a company to advertise itself based on embarrassment? Why is it scathing to ask why people feel this way so long after female emancipation?
Yes, I can understand people can be embarrassed by things - but that doesn't make it right. Surely we should be fighting against the repression of embarrassment? That is my point. Empathy is completely different to acceptance.
I cannot see anything in the FAQs of Auntie Daisy to suggest any form of altruism.
You were the one who tried to use feminism as an insult. It was my choice to take it as a compliment.
I would never pronounce that I find it 'astonishing' that some people in 2014 are embarrassed to defecate on a bed pan or urinate in from of a nurse. I wouldn't pronounce it astonishing that some women find smears or breast exams embarrassing.
That is the difference - you presume to speak for all women and imply wrong in their own feelings.
And making PA negative comments like that about the feelings of another woman makes you no feminist.
None of those examples are a regular occurrence for people in good health, living their normal lives, with no medical intervention. You are using the straw man argument technique. Unusual or unfamiliar occurrences can naturally unsettle people and make the feel uncomfortable.
By the age of 20 most people will have had periods for between 6 and 10 years. That is not the same at all.
I do not presume to speak for all women. I have never said anything to suggest that. My opinions are my own. That is what you have said. That does not make it a fact.
I repeat, I can only see aggression coming from your personal attacks on me.
No i am angry at YOUR comment because the 'if' and 'should' were PA. Your tone was not good.
And are you astonished when women find breast exams embarrassing? Or any of the other examples in my post above? They are all bodily functions too. Would you complain if I told you I was astonished you found something embarrassing if I was your HCP for example?
Respecting peoples right to wanting more privacy or discretion over bodily functions etc is more important than preaching an assumption that a desire for discretion is automatically borne out of maladjustment. In my case I have no embarrassment dealing with other women's menstruation and in my RL have often had to especiallly w/ regard to women too unwell to self care. So I have to refute that my embarrassment for myself is perpetuating this in other women, men because it is not.
Maybe Daisy have gone about this in the wrong manner, maybe not but all charitable associations involve gain on both sides and it is naive to assume otherwise. I just wanted to say that I would probably use a mail order service although I actually couldn't care less what packaging they came in.
Mnhq- the meningitis one doesn't allow for those who now know more after a child having meningitis. My answers are a bit odd on that one.
The Aubtie Daisy one was an insult ( though I like graze boxes --when they are free--). There's a lot if ways to buy things now if you don't want to be seen and a hell of a lot cheaper.
Nonsense- regular preventative health care initiatives are not unusual. As women we are always being poked and prodded.
I asked you about your claim that you felt it astonishing that we are still embarrassed about bodily functions and why you only apply this to menstruation.
Your astonishment was applied to how you believe women should think and feel in 2014. You were not just speaking for yourself - you were assuming that what you felt should be a universal truth.
Well it isn't. And again, would you find it astonishing that quite a few people would not defecate or urinate in front of a partner of friend or discuss it/refer to it? After all even more people poop than menstruate.
You see I don''t find many bodily functions or human habits embarrassing but I don't assume or get astonished that not everybody feels this way.
No, read my post. I am not astonished at those because they are not every day occurrences.
Your anger is misplaced. Be angry at the way society has conditioned people to be embarrassed by normal bodily functions.
I am not going to get you to understand that actually my point of view mirrors yours. Your help for your daughter and your feeling "daft" is exactly the same emotion - you know you shouldn't feel daft and I don't want you to feel daft. You are too busy getting hung up on words in a post where you have assigned one meaning where I have meant another.
My annoyance is with a company that perpetuates this oppression, not that mail order is a bad idea. By all means use mail order. However I think you should question just exactly how charitable Auntie Daisy is. As I suggested upthread, it is probably better for the charity to have you buy them from Amazon and donate directly.
I cannot understand why people don't fart, shit and pee in front of their families. Does that help?
OK - we'll have to call a truce. I will go and reread this all.
And here are some great charities- Lunapads is in $ but you can still donate-
There is a journalist who has written a fantastic piece on Indian girls and the issues they face. She is also the author of a recent book on travelling and life on on a container ship. I will try to find her name.
Thanks for the links. Will have a good look at them now and pass them on.
Some of them have FB pages too.
Can't get the Lunapads link to work.
Oh hang on, think it is just my computer going slow.
I have this stupid thing on my laptop that shortens C+P links and it keeps messing them up -i'll repost it. Apols.
Oh that one is a better link - thank you.
Aunty Daisy - bloody ridiculous. I cannot believe they think this is a good strategy, implying that sanitary protection is embarrassing to buy. Even if it is for some people, this somehow seems to think that is an acceptable state of affairs instead of trying to remedy it. There have got to be better ways than this. Really twee name too, that puts me right off.
The work one - I wasn't sure whether to put my actual salary or it's full time equivalent, I earn less but I do less hours. Pro-rata it back up to full time and I earn more. I have completed it on the full time basis.
The meningitis one doesn't make any allowance for the fact that you may have worked in a relevant field.
The events one I gave up on. We don't say, ooh, let's see if there's an event in London we'd like to go to, we see an advert, or hear about a sporting event and take it from there.
These links are brilliant. A much better way of supporting these women. I am going to take these links to DD's school and see if we can do some fundraising for them. The discussion of dignity in the last link is especially compelling.
That is a great idea. It seems such an easy way to help effect such a profound change in the lives of these young girls who place such a high value on the schooling they have access to.
And I do apologise for getting angry but I did feel a bit judged and reacted to that.
No worries. It is easy to misunderstand the written word without seeing faces and expressions and hearing the tone. I really didn't mean to sound PA - we were on the same side deep down!
Could I just say I am really impressed with the way you two have turned this thread around Anne and Mignonette to both of you.
That's kind of you Who.
I probably don't deserve it - feel like a daft apeth as my Grandfather would say
Thanks Who - we're all friends really, we just need to find common ground!
Haven't heard "daft apeth" in years!
My Grandad used to call us that too .
I miss hearing it and it is one of those phrases along with 'mardy' (particularly appropriate for me tonight) that always sounds in my head as if he was still speaking it.
And I'm a southerner! He wasn't.
Yes on MN you can absolutely rant and rave then take a step back and think 'eh' - I must read like a frother.
DD (age 4) is learning the days of the week in French and when I told her Tuesday was "Mardi" she said "Oohh! X is mardy! Is it named after her?"
I don't think you're mardy. My period is due so I'm pissed off with the world anyway!
Nor sure whether menopause has made me pissed off with the world permanently.
I go from 0-100 in the rages. I stamped on my router this morning because my provider cancelled my service three days too early before the new one kicked in. So i had to call the new provider and beg them to switch me on early so I could plug in my new router.
I think I'm in peri-menopause, as my periods are getting shorter and the gap between them more erratic, and my pissed-offness is getting longer and more intense.
For what it's worth I would probably have done the same with my router in your position. I often feel that way towards my DH.
You lot need to watch Graham norton now.
I also find the whole premise of the Auntie Daisy thing weird.
Firstly, I haven't been embarrassed about buying tampons since I was about 13.
Secondly, what is the point of overpriced tampons/pads, from a very limited selection, delivered to your door - well, that probably means postman/yodel courier would attempt to deliver while I'm out and then I would either have to trek down to the sorting office to collect them, or retrieve a soggy box of sanitary supplies from under a bush/in my bin.
Nope, think I'll stick to chucking them in my trolley at the supermarket as usual, and maybe donate direct to one of those charities.
My comment on Auntie Daisy was nearly WTF but instead was "i am not embarassed about buying sanitary products, or having periods, and in no way will I be teaching my children that".
Grrrrr. Guess I won't win their prize!
And Itotally struggled with what brands would I want on a London day out, and ended up with M and S sandwiches
Well - your bush would be an appropriate place for the postman to leave your parcel of Auntie Daisy sanpro, wouldn't it, exexpat?
Although it might be outside his job description!
Just wanted to add my utter amazement at Auntie Daisy - I did the survey last week and have been reading up about it.
Nearly £4 for a box of tampons or towels that possibly wouldn't even be enough to last for an average 5-7 day period? (They supply 12-16 towels, or 20 tampons). If I still used towels, this certainly wouldn't be enough. Discreet packaging? Why?
I don't think a box of 20 tampons would fit through everyone's letterbox anyway - and if the postie left them on the mat on a wet day you'd come home to an exploding box!
"More, it is designed for convenience – to give women who might have been caught out by their period in the past, one less thing to think about each month." - Hmm, that's the thing, it happens every month for most of us. Not exactly a surprise. And if your period "catches you out" by being irregular, or overly heavy some months, then a monthly delivery just isn't going to help you is it?
I'm considering writing to Matt Lill the founder about it - I'm assuming Matt doesn't have periods himself!
DP has just said himself "why would you want to get your tampons in a discreet package through the post when there are shelves full in the supermarket and zero embarrassment in buying them?"
I wonder if Andrex would consider doing the same with loo roll?
AnneEyhtMeyer very good point that it doesn't say how much will be donated to the charity. I think that needs to be made public. I'm very interested in supporting Camfed but not through Auntie Daisy.
Re salaries, packing etc, according to Auntie Daisy's Facebook page the boxes are packed by Clarity, who employ visually impaired and disabled people to pack and make toiletries and other products.
Just realised it's not just run by Matt (got that impression from the FB page) it's also his partner Claire, so there hasn't been the lack of female input I had assumed.
The Meningitis one seemed written to evoke a response of "Yes, roll out the Meningitis B vaccinations now!!!"
I'm generally very pro-vaccination but I'd like a bit more background information about why this vaccine isn't yet available on the NHS before I answer a skewed survey.
Thanks for all the feedback so far: will deffo be passed on to relevant parties!
Two of these surveys are now closed as we have reached the numbers we needed so I have amended the OP.
howard only reason it's not on nhs is cost. High cost to save 'only' (approx) 500 cases a year. A high percentage of these end in death/disability though which is a cost to the nhs not used in their calculation.
My son was 'lucky' and was caught early but his treatment and follow up care is 2 years + of check ups and assessments all costing a lot more than the £75 vaccine would be.
I have just completed the meningitis one and I agree the questions were one sided. I would have wanted more background information if I was not a health care professional (which I am). Also, the question about info after birth - new mothers cannot be given all info there is in one go so a question on prioritisation would be more relevant I think.
I would have put this in an "other comments" section of the survey had there been one!
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