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Is this a site for mums, or so called 'professionals'??

(119 Posts)
taffleee Fri 01-Nov-13 19:42:27

I have only been on this site for a little less than two weeks, but it seems to be overrun with social workers, health care professionals, even journalists, starting threads for information???

I've answered and even responded to some really personal threads, now I'm totally regretting it - the last thread i posted my heartfelt response to was met by ' thanks, i shall use this information in my professional capacity!!! WTF???

You may want to ask MNHQ to put this into Chat, you'll get more replies that way.

magicscares Fri 01-Nov-13 20:28:40

Well you can be both... It's fair to say there do seem to a lot of people on here who share a similar value base and perhaps that's reflected in the professions they/we go into?

Tee2072 Fri 01-Nov-13 20:32:52

Well, it's against T&C and TGs to use the site for professional reasons without paying MNHQ.

So report the threads.

SanityClause Fri 01-Nov-13 20:34:39

If you look at the top of the page, you'll see it's "By parents for parents", but actually, there's loads of people on here, who aren't parents at all.

So, actually, it's just for anyone who wants to be here, really.

DameDeepRedBetty Fri 01-Nov-13 20:36:02

What Tee said. Absolutely not on to abuse this site like that.

SanityClause Fri 01-Nov-13 20:36:08

Sorry, obviously most people here are parents, but the non-parents are just as welcome.

Well...

Journos etc do use the site and don't always declare their interests or ask permission before using material.

But lots of posters are both parents and professionals in their field.

And the comment you are talking about wasn't aimed at you, I read it quite clearly as a poster saying they would find the information in the OP useful in their personal and professional lives. Which is fine, because the information in the OP was a resource pack about teenagers who run away from home, and how to help them.

Really, everyone - the poster wasn't being out of order or abusing the site hmm Look if you want to see the comment in context.

taffleee Fri 01-Nov-13 20:40:05

Tair I'm new, which chat and i'll repost x magic i'm just a mum, i came on this site hoping to chat to other mums, not so called 'professionals' looking for info - if they happen to be both a mum and also working in that capacity, maybe 'mumsnet' should be a place to they just talk about and offer their 'mum' advice?? Don't know, but i've not come on 'mumsnet' to speak to 'socialservices' net.

Tee2072 Fri 01-Nov-13 20:41:39

Don't repost. Ask for it to be moved.

Most of us are just people talking. If you've been approached by someone else, report that.

OP I'm sorry but you are over-reacting a bit.

The poster you mean is probably a teacher who will find the resource pack that the thread was about useful in their professional life.

Its not all about you...

BOF Fri 01-Nov-13 20:43:33

Overrun? You make them sound like cockroaches grin

taffleee - reading the post in context there's nothing wrong with it.

The poster wasn't replying to you personally, she was responding to the information provided by the charity.

DameDeepRedBetty Fri 01-Nov-13 20:46:23

If you click on Active Conversations, the first half dozen or so will have a funny little MN logo by them. That means they're being kept at the top, even if hardly anyone's posting on them, either because they're something HQ is focusing on, or (frankly more likely) one of the big advertisers/sponsors wants some of our responses for market research. They pay big to be there.

Since someone has to pay HQ's gin bill eventually, and Tech really really needs new servers that don't crash every thirty seconds, I don't have a problem with that. I just hardly ever click on them though... grin

If anyone's using our responses for journalism, market research, or anything else like that, they're meant to ask permission and pay a fee. Academic research is a grey area, but it's better form to ask HQ's permission than not.

Since this is a self moderated site, HQ are heavily reliant on us reporting posts that worry us. You will never get into trouble for this, and may even get a (sometimes very funny) personalised reply!

And I'm reporting this whole thread - but only as it's not in the right area really, ought to be Site Stuff, where HQ look all the time and respond very fast.

PS - Welcome to MN!

taffleee Fri 01-Nov-13 20:49:28

Queen That was actually not the post I was talking about, the post I was has now been removed.

However the post you are referring to I did actually respond to in something which is very personal to me, so to be met with a response as 'i will use this in my profressional capacity' hit me in the gut, cos i'm just chatting on here, and to be honest, what i've posted, i have never talked about.

BOF Fri 01-Nov-13 20:49:55

I think you just got the wrong end of the stick, to be honest, taff. The poster was replying to the original post at the top of the thread, which contained a resource pack for classrooms.

EverythingInMjiniature Fri 01-Nov-13 20:51:11

It was a pack of lesson plans... Of course teachers will find them helpful professionally, what else would you use a lesson plan for?

But... they weren't responding to you personally. They were quite obviously talking about the information in the OP - which would make perfect sense and would be very useful to people in all sorts of professions.

BOF Fri 01-Nov-13 20:51:37

I'm talking about the post directly after your second post, btw. It wasn't directed at you.

Sorry for your experiences as a teenager- that all sounds really shit.

Oakmaiden Fri 01-Nov-13 20:55:05

To be honest that thread was about an educational resource - and it was quite clear it was a sponsored thread and not a "parent" one.

I thought your response on there was odd to be honest... But if you didn't realise the context of the thread that would make more sense. However, I think it was your mistake, and not the person who was going to use the enclosed resource in their "professional" capacity...

I'm really surprised that you've had two such similar posts in a fortnight that you felt were directed at you. Its a very blunt way for someone to respond and if there was another post saying that, which MNHQ agreed was directed at you, then I can see why it was deleted.

taffleee Fri 01-Nov-13 20:56:15

Dame This was not the thread I was referring to, but I did comment on it, ok, the thread I was referring to has been removed, and it was started by a social worker.... so well moderated ok x

taffleee Fri 01-Nov-13 20:58:30

Queen I have never complained about anything directed at me, because nothing has ever been directed at me??

BerstieSpotts Fri 01-Nov-13 20:59:26

The sponsored threads are highlighted so that they are different from other threads.

You can also choose to hide these discussion board from your list of active conversations.

I realise this may not be obvious if you are new to the forum, perhaps even new to all forums(?) and I'm not saying that in a critical way at all - everyone was new once! But I think you've got the wrong end of the stick.

taffleee Fri 01-Nov-13 21:00:34

Queen MNHQ never agreed anything was directed at me also?? why are you be so agressive??

BerstieSpotts Fri 01-Nov-13 21:01:08

ie - the highlighted/sposored/research etc threads are only allowed on a particular board, which you can hide if you don't want to participate in those threads. On the more general boards such as Parenting, Relationships etc, most people will be parents or others who have come across the site in some other way and posting personally or out of interest.

BerstieSpotts Fri 01-Nov-13 21:01:42

Queen isn't being aggressive confused

TheOnlyOliviaMumsnet (MNHQ) Fri 01-Nov-13 21:03:49

Hi there
This is very much a site for parents - peer to peer advice is at the very core of what MN is about.

There are parents who also work as professional x or y but as Tee pointed out earlier up the thread, requests for case studies are strictly restricted to specific sections of the site.

You may find that there are a fair amount of teachers in the education section and indeed b/f counsellors in the breastfeeding section etc etc but in our experience of the last 13 years this is usually NOT because they are looking for case studies but because they are interested in their topics outside of their 9 to 5 job.

Any problems do contacts@mumsnet.com
Or use the report button - it's confidential and we read every single report that comes in.
Hope this helps.
MNHQ

I'm not confused

Its just that I read the runaways thread earlier, and saw your comments on there, and assumed when I read this thread that you were referring to that thread.

I'm sorry for thinking that. My mistake.

I mentioned MNHQ agreeing that a post was directed at you because in order for a post to be deleted (which you said one had been), they would have had to agree that it was on some way out of order and breaking talk guidelines - ie a personal attack, or by an undisclosed journo, etc.

I'm sorry you feel I was being aggressive. It wasn't my intention at all.

Tee2072 Fri 01-Nov-13 21:06:44

Olivia! I thought you were done?!?!

And hi!

in some way, not on blush

taffleee Fri 01-Nov-13 21:07:39

I'm really surprised that you've had two such similar posts in a fortnight that you felt were directed at you. Its a very blunt way for someone to respond and if there was another post saying that, which MNHQ agreed was directed at you, then I can see why it was deleted

Queen i did not start the previous post, it was started by a social worker looking for advice on a personal case, which was quite rightly deleted,

This is a new post for me

BOF Fri 01-Nov-13 21:09:09

Now I'm REALLY confused.

taffleee Fri 01-Nov-13 21:14:41

BOF Me too, because this was just supposed to be an open discussion, the fact i have commented on another thread should of been irrelevant, but was obviously read.

My apologies

WestBloodlandSausage Fri 01-Nov-13 21:16:32

tafflee I think you will find that thread was deleted because it wasn't a social worker and probably wasn't real.

TheOnlyOliviaMumsnet (MNHQ) Fri 01-Nov-13 21:17:21

Tee2072

Olivia! I thought you were done?!?!

And hi!

I am
But you know. Hotel California and all that.

WestBloodlandSausage Fri 01-Nov-13 21:19:32

i've been here for a while now (halloween NC before people advance search me grin) and only ever seen official opinions being sought on sponsored threads. if it was as you described I wouldn't be here perhaps you haven't quite got the hang of mumsnet yet?

taffleee Fri 01-Nov-13 21:20:33

Westblood did you read the thread?

The context is important though.

Just a few minutes earlier I'd read the runaways thread and seen you get offended at a post that said something along the lines of "Thanks, I'll use this information in my professional capacity".

Then I read this thread and assumed that was the post you meant, so my response was based on that assumption.

I now know I was wrong, you were referring to a different post which said something very similar but in a different context and on a different subject, and which has now been removed by MNHQ.

I'm sorry for getting it wrong.

Tee2072 Fri 01-Nov-13 21:24:52

Ah, I see. cake? Since you can't have wine or [gin]?

WestBloodlandSausage Fri 01-Nov-13 21:28:28

the one where they were repeating something someone else said to them in a family centre? yes

if we are talking about a different thread. no

mumsnet is marmite, I guess my advice would be don't keep eating it if you don't like it? and are going to shout at people who do like it

taffleee Fri 01-Nov-13 21:28:34

westblood if you had read the thread, it was nothing to do with the original post apparently made by what you said was a 'so called social worker' but maybe to do with the 75 comments very quickly made from heartfelt individual cases of being let down by social services - from people living with disabled children to parents who have died from horrific illnesses -

I may have not got the 'hang' of 'mumsnet' yet, but i certainly have the ability to read.....

WestBloodlandSausage Fri 01-Nov-13 21:29:58

confused sad

taffleee Fri 01-Nov-13 21:30:33

Queen fair enough x

Tee2072 Fri 01-Nov-13 21:35:53

I have no idea what this thread is actually about.

taffleee Fri 01-Nov-13 21:38:12

Queen the thread i was referring to was made by a social worker, apparently, talking about an individual case, looking for affermation about her career- what followed was 75 posts about people being let down by social services, some really horrific stories -
The thread has since been deleted

bsc Fri 01-Nov-13 21:40:11

tafflee- if things online are upsetting you, or getting you down, just switch off, really.

The SW thread (I was on it) was deleted, and MNHQ do delete threads that they feel are not in the spirit of MN.

And I think you have been quite rude on this thread to people that are trying to help answer your question.

taffleee Fri 01-Nov-13 21:49:51

bsc nothings upsetting me, and how have i been rude??? this is a discussion forum is it not??? who have i been rude too??

tethersend Fri 01-Nov-13 21:57:00

I was on that thread too tafflee- whilst it contained many posts by people who had been seriously let down by social services, there were a few SWs posting, and many other posters bemoaning the lack of resources and funding available.

I think it was deleted at the OP's request as there were (unfounded IMO) concerns about confidentiality.

Which part of it upset you?

taffleee Fri 01-Nov-13 22:06:53

tether Absolutely nothing about that thread 'upset' me, apart from the heartfelt individual stories some people had the courage to share -

Infact, I wish that thread was still open, I wish every thread was open, people should speak openly and honestly about absolutely everything, whether it be online, or anyways!!!

What I have an issue with is people opening up, when they may feel it so difficult to do in their personal capacity, only to have it 'used' by people in a 'professional' capacity -

I think I started thee thread incorrectly. or may have been percieved wrong -

bsc Fri 01-Nov-13 22:07:48

I think you've been rude to Queen0f and Westie on this thread, but perhaps that is just me misinterpreting words on a screen. In your OP you sound incensed, and in your 2nd and 3rd posts tbh. Really- it's probably not good for people's blood pressure to get so wound up by things online.

bsc Fri 01-Nov-13 22:10:54

Also- on the SW thread, the OP said quite clearly in the OP that she was a SW!

captainmummy Fri 01-Nov-13 22:13:29

OP - you've been here 2 weeks? Were you drawn in by the penis beaker? it's not all like that, you know!

taffleee Fri 01-Nov-13 22:16:44

bsc your wrong, thought this was a discussion forum - that doesn't mean agreeing all the time? And i'm not into abbreviations, so sorry, no idea what you said, sorry x

taffleee Fri 01-Nov-13 22:17:55

captain ???

WestmorlandFireSausage Fri 01-Nov-13 22:20:20

hmmm see I can't check because it has been deleted but my memory was that she worked for social services but wasn't a social worker. Anyways it doesn't really matter I suppose and i'm happy to be wrong.

Perhaps we could have a professionals anonymous where we all promise to be 'just mums' on mumsnet and not use it in anyway shape or form to help us form other opinions on other aspects of our lives grin. Only the initials for that club would be PA which would be tempting fate....

passive agressive, peter andre, personal assistant.... a personally assistant, passive agressive peter andre club....

I'm not trying to derail this into being a more lighthearted thread, oh no, not me grin

WestmorlandFireSausage Fri 01-Nov-13 22:20:40

i'm just talking utter crap now aren't I?

WestmorlandFireSausage Fri 01-Nov-13 22:21:23

the thread has been deleted... not my memory

tethersend Fri 01-Nov-13 22:24:15

"What I have an issue with is people opening up, when they may feel it so difficult to do in their personal capacity, only to have it 'used' by people in a 'professional' capacity"

Understandably. However, I don't recall anyone on that ill-advised thread doing anything of the sort. Can you be specific?

ChippingInLovesAGoodBang Fri 01-Nov-13 22:24:48

taffleee - there is another parenting website called netmums, you might find it more what you are looking for.

JaquelineHyde Fri 01-Nov-13 22:25:01

What happens if you are a Mum who is also a professional of some kind, is it still acceptable to use MN then?

ChippingInLovesAGoodBang Fri 01-Nov-13 22:28:48

JH - nope, non professionals only, apparently - well, unless you park your qualifications & brain at the door. As I said, there's always netmums.

WestmorlandFireSausage Fri 01-Nov-13 22:29:12

you join me in PA JaquelineHyde

hiccup wine

taffleee Fri 01-Nov-13 22:34:11

OMG - How patronising, will go on netmums then, sorry for coming here

taffleee Fri 01-Nov-13 22:36:30

BTW, I am a professional, I work in publishing, I just don't happen to work in the public sector or use sites called 'mumsnet' to gain information

taffleee Fri 01-Nov-13 22:44:02

I'm so sorry, are you suggesting that i should use 'netmums', because i seem to be underqualified to use 'mumsnet' ??? how funny, please let me know in what way??

You're still caught up in being upset over a misunderstanding. The post about using information in a professional capacity was not aimed at you or intended to mean your personal story. Several people have pointed this out. That poster was not being 'insensitive', as you accused them of being - they were responding perfectly appropriately to the thread and the information in the OP. You really truly do not need to feel like you've been 'hit in the gut' and I hope you see that and don't carry on feeling shit about it sad

No idea about the other thread you refer to as I didn't see it. Hopefully no offence or misuse of posts was intended there either.

tethersend Fri 01-Nov-13 22:48:24

Taffleee, can you explain how anyone on the SW thread used posters' personal experiences in a professional capacity?

taffleee Fri 01-Nov-13 22:48:42

Queen Your still going on about a thread i posted a response to, which has nothing to do with this???

taffleee Fri 01-Nov-13 22:50:59

Nope, I give up, argue amongst yourselves, obviously the art of discussion has been lost - as suggested, i'll go to 'netmums' lol

tethersend Fri 01-Nov-13 23:01:52

I thought the art of discussion involved engaging with others, asking questions and answering any relevant questions posed? confused

SeaWave Fri 01-Nov-13 23:04:35

Read the thread about the resource pack for teenagers, and the comment reads simply as the poster was acknowledging the original post, that they would find the resource pack useful.
Often I have posted on MN and by the time I have typed and posted,several other people have posted so its always a bit out of order. Anyway I'm discussing another thread and feel really naughty

taffleee Fri 01-Nov-13 23:08:44

Tether -I thought the art of discussion involved engaging with others, asking questions and answering any relevant questions posed?
Totally, so what relevant questions have been asked, or answered about my original post??

Seawave your talking about a thread i commented on, nothing to do with this discussion

taffleee Fri 01-Nov-13 23:11:24

I'm going to start another emotive thread, more to the point, lets go from there

impecuniousmarmoset Fri 01-Nov-13 23:12:34

I know you say you are referring to a different thread, but the other thread is equally relevant, because you were upbraiding somebody for bringing their 'profesional' life into mumsnet, and then writing pretty much word for word what this current OP contains.

Viz.
"TheGonnanle 'Thank you. I shall read for awareness both in my personal and professional life.'
taffleee OMG, that's the most insensitive response to a thread I think I have ever heard -'

What people are trying to point out is that your response was totally off the mark. The poster in question was thanking MN for posting a link to lesson plans - how else would you want somebody to use these except in a professional capacity?!

It has everything to do with it - you quoted it in your OP for heavens sake!

TiredDog Fri 01-Nov-13 23:17:27

Do you think you're a little reactionary OP? You have been here two weeks and posted on few threads and have made an assumption …and are holding to it regardless of anything to suggest it might not be true

taffleee Fri 01-Nov-13 23:18:13

IMP- a different thread

taffleee Fri 01-Nov-13 23:20:24

IMP - this is about a thread that was deleted - nothing to do with a thread i happened to comment on, sigh, again

bsc Fri 01-Nov-13 23:20:49

With your grammar, style, and syntax, you'll fit in perfectly at netmums! Good luck smile

seriously hope you are not an editor

taffleee Fri 01-Nov-13 23:21:55

Tired dog this has nothing to do with the thread i commented on, again

TiredDog Fri 01-Nov-13 23:23:40

I didn't say it did taffleee. Reacting? making assumptions?

That's what I said you were doing.

taffleee Fri 01-Nov-13 23:24:10

bsc with your put downs and wanting's for an argument, I seriously hope your not a parent.....

impecuniousmarmoset Fri 01-Nov-13 23:25:59

But the point is that the other thread is relevant, since you also complained on that one about someone 'insensitively' posting in a 'professional' capacity! and upbraided them for it. So if that wasnt your problem with it, why did you lay into them and say you'd never heard anything so insensitive?!

taffleee Fri 01-Nov-13 23:26:24

Your all just gunning for me, how about just discussing the topic??

TiredDog Fri 01-Nov-13 23:27:30

Your reactionary making assumptions attitude is the topic. Had you missed that?

taffleee Fri 01-Nov-13 23:27:38

I Never complained about anything!!! I welcomed the discussion!!!!

taffleee Fri 01-Nov-13 23:30:07

Why dont you welcome someone opening a debate, instead of going for me??? I only asked a question, im sorry if i offened anyone, i wasnt prepared for for this, im sorry

tethersend Fri 01-Nov-13 23:32:33

Is my question not relevant to your OP, taffleee? I'll ask it again in the hope that you'll answer:

Can you explain how anyone on the SW thread used posters' personal experiences in a professional capacity?

I assume that the SW thread is the one you are referring to in your OP? It's just that I was also on it, and cannot recall an example of what you describe. Am happy to be told I'm wrong though.

JaquelineHyde Fri 01-Nov-13 23:33:31

taffleee which thread were you quoting from in your original post?

If it is the deleted thread then I find it very unusual that the exact same conversation appears to have happened on both threads you were on (the deleted thread that you claim this entire thread is about and the thread that people are assuming you are talking about because you appear to have quoted from it).

TiredDog Fri 01-Nov-13 23:33:36

You're very defensive taff. Defensive people often attack and then don't understand why the reaction they get is negative.

People have tried to debate with you but don't agree with your viewpoint. It happens…I'm not offended just frustrated because it's as if you're reading different things to those being written. I can't figure if it's deliberate or not

WestmorlandFireSausage Fri 01-Nov-13 23:34:00

MARMITE!!

just repeating that because I don't think anyone picked up on my frankly excellent analogy before.

TiredDog Fri 01-Nov-13 23:35:33

I'm going to leave the thread because my feeling is that you are a bit overwhelmed by lots of posters feeling differently to you.

Reiterating it all isn't going to help you tonight but maybe tomorrow re read everything and see if it can be taken in a different way?

taffleee Fri 01-Nov-13 23:36:31

Tireddog maybe your right

ChippingInLovesAGoodBang Fri 01-Nov-13 23:39:34

At this rate we are going to run out of ???'s and !!!!!!!'s before anyone has an idea of what it is you want to debate exactly.

Debating can only take place when there is a clear topic.

taffleee Fri 01-Nov-13 23:39:37

i was only opening this thread to have a discussion, but tireddog has hit a nerve with me - i'm sorry if ive offended anyone, im so sorry

feelingood Fri 01-Nov-13 23:41:39

jeez i fear for the profesionalism if the spats on here are by the so called pro's.

well the socail worker thread was just silly if its the one im thinking of. Thought OP should know better than to court opinions in public forum.

meditrina Fri 01-Nov-13 23:43:22

I think this is an object lesson in why TAATs are such a Bad Thing.

tethersend Fri 01-Nov-13 23:45:38

Taffleee, you've not offended me at all, but I am genuinely interested to know if what you describe occurred on the SW thread, as I don't recall it doing so. I could be wrong, my memory is not watertight; but I just wanted an example in order to better understand your OP.

feelingood Fri 01-Nov-13 23:46:16

did you mean twats? med

taffleee Fri 01-Nov-13 23:46:43

i should have thought better, thought this was a discussion site - i'm not an 'OP', im a girl who read some heartfelt post of a deleted thread - i wasn't prepared to be so upset by the put downs ive had, so please stop now

WallyBantersJunkBox Fri 01-Nov-13 23:48:38

I hired a chap from a large Retail company that CAREd a lot for MOTHERs and he told me that the company are constantly posting on here as fake mums for research and product ideas/placement.

meditrina Fri 01-Nov-13 23:48:58

OP is standard MN jargon - and I don't think it's unique to MN either.

meditrina Fri 01-Nov-13 23:49:50

No I mean TAATs

feelingood Fri 01-Nov-13 23:50:22

Oh im clearly not up to speed..

taffleee Fri 01-Nov-13 23:50:50

Wally Thank you xxx That was all this discussion should have been about x

feelingood Fri 01-Nov-13 23:52:38

taff stick around and read a few more threads it is a very resourceful site and I dare say powerful...Ive had some shocking threads, you can always change your name and start again..

god im hungry

taffleee Fri 01-Nov-13 23:54:09

Feeling wasn't prepared for the put downs lol x

exexpat Fri 01-Nov-13 23:59:22

The thing is, this is an open forum, it can be used by anyone, and read by anybody on the internet, even if they are not registered.

So you have to remember that anything you post on here - personal and heartfelt or not - is in the public domain, and can be used by anybody in whatever personal or professional capacity they like. If you post on here, you have to accept that what you write will probably be seen by people who are not just 'mums'.

I didn't see the thread your OP was about, but I can't really see the problem with someone saying that they found some ideas or pieces of information they have read on MN might be useful to them professionally. In fact, others may well have thought the same, but just not commented.

taffleee Sat 02-Nov-13 00:06:21

never coming on 'mumsnet' again, so thanks

bsc Sat 02-Nov-13 00:07:07

Thread About A Thread

feelingood Sat 02-Nov-13 00:08:04

do stick around you get feel for threads and whats what - some veterencs sniff the dodgy stuff out for you anyways.

Beleive me there is more to argue about on here that pros research!

take care x

Tee2072 Sat 02-Nov-13 08:48:47

I still have no idea what this thread is about.

But I would recommend to the Original Poster stick around and learn how Mumsnet works before posting a nonsense thread in a totally wrong topic.

Might want to start here: Acronym List

DreaduCated Sat 02-Nov-13 13:49:32

Do you not think it a positive thing, that someone might listen to people's experiences an think about how that affects them in a professional capacity?

I didn't see the SW thread, but if a SW read it, saw the bad experience that people or had, or just things they thought could be better and thought 'actually they're right, and I can do something about that in my work' is that not a fantastically positive thing?

I mean, I didn't see the thread, as this one had been a bit baffling, so I could be entirely wrong, but still...

impecuniousmarmoset Sat 02-Nov-13 17:02:32

I'm totally baffled, I have to admit. I have a suspicion that was someone's intention all along, though...

I'm also still confused

I returned to look at this with fresh eyes earlier and was no less baffled!

bsc Sat 02-Nov-13 20:41:22

Dread- I would agree- how could it be a bad thing that professionals working in tricky/upsetting situations want to learn more to inform their practice, and improve the support they offer?
I mean, how very dare they? shock

wink

DoubleLifeIsALifeOfSorts Wed 13-Nov-13 02:08:26

I'm
Baffled
Too

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