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NOW CLOSED Do you suspect you or your DC has a milk or dairy intolerance? Try a2 Milk for free - a new, entirely natural type of British cows' milk and give your feedback to win a £100 JL voucher

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TheOtherHelenMumsnet (MNHQ) Wed 17-Oct-12 15:54:14

a2 Milk are looking for 50 MNers who feel they or their DC may have an issue with milk/dairy products to try out their new natural milk and give their feedback on MN. Below is some info from a2 Milk on what makes it different:

"While most cows' milk contains both A1 and A2 proteins, all natural a2 Milk comes from specially selected cows that produce milk containing only the A2 protein. A1 product digests differently to A2 protein and has been linked with a range of symptoms associated with digestive function. Those of us who experience some form of digestive discomfort from the consumption of milk (bloating, abdominal pain, diarrhoea and/or constipation) may well react to this A1 protein rather than the lactose or other milk protein as it is often assumed. Hence a2 Milk is the natural answer to a question of A1 Milk protein intolerance. a2 Milk has proved very popular in Australia where thousands of milk consumers have made the switch and seen an improvement as a result."

This product test isn't for everyone though - we're looking for a very specific group of MNers. To take part you/your DC must:

~ Have had some kind of issue, or suspected issue to do with milk or dairy products in the past year, but...
~ NOT have been diagnosed as lactose intolerant by a healthcare professional (GP, Dietitian, Nutritionist)
~ NOT have been diagnosed as milk allergic by a healthcare professional (GP, Dietitian, Nutritionist)
~ Be able to get to one of the stores listed here to collect your bottles of a2 Milk

If you're at all concerned about whether or not you should take part in this product test, then please consult a healthcare professional before signing up. Just to be really clear, if you or your DC has a confirmed, medically diagnosed milk allergy or lactose intolerance, please do not apply.

If you're interested in taking part, please click here to sign up. Please make sure you answer all the questions in the sign up survey so we know whether or not you're eligible to take part.

Everyone who is selected to take part will be sent vouchers to purchase 2 litre bottles of a2 Milk worth £1.99. You will then be asked to give your feedback on a thread on MN. Please note your comments may be used by a2 in future marketing campaigns.

Thanks
MNHQ

fuzzpig Wed 17-Oct-12 16:57:49

OMG! Perfect timing for me. DS (3) has horrible eczema and we are at our wits' end with it, poor boy is not getting any better even with wet wrapping etc sad

Just recently SIL suggested he may have a problem with milk, she'd seen an episode of something (food doctor?) with a boy very similar... we have been wondering if we should try cutting it out or substituting it.

fuzzpig Wed 17-Oct-12 17:05:30

My doctor also suggested I try cutting out milk due to the pain I'm in, she didn't test or anything though. So it'd be me and DS trying it.

Pascha Wed 17-Oct-12 17:16:58

I would but my nearest store is 15 miles away.

ItsAllGoingToBeFine Wed 17-Oct-12 17:17:55

So just to clarify - they are producing a product for people who have a "lifestyle" milk intolerance, but it is not suitable for those with a genuine diagnosed allergy/intolerance.

What exactly is the point of this product?

fuzzpig Wed 17-Oct-12 17:24:18

I assumed it is for people with a diagnosed problem too, but for the test they want undiagnosed people who haven't yet fully cut out dairy, to see if it makes a difference to them? Or something confused

ItsAllGoingToBeFine Wed 17-Oct-12 17:42:47

From the a2 website:

"a2 Milk is not suitable for anyone who has been diagnosed with a milk allergy or lactose intolerance"

fuzzpig Wed 17-Oct-12 17:45:09

Oh! blush Hadn't seen that... bizarre!

ItsAllGoingToBeFine Wed 17-Oct-12 17:46:25

Ok, have read more carefully, is if you are intolerant to the particular protein...

I think it's more that they don't want to risk anyone with a diagnosed milk allergy trying their product and having a bad reaction - understandable really.

silverfrog Wed 17-Oct-12 18:11:30

yes, it is the protein that is the difference here, hence no good for lactose intolerant people.

I will ask dh later if hewants to try it out - he has a casein issue, as does dd1. we already know the a2 route is no good for dd1 (she cannot tolerate it and have tried goat/sheep/buffalo too), but dh might be interested.

FannyFifer Wed 17-Oct-12 18:13:54

This would be perfect test for both my children, DS has asthma & mild excema, DD has excema, they eat small amounts of dairy but I have found drinking cows milks or too much other dairy can exacerbate symptoms.
They drink alternative milk, oat, rice, almond etc so this would be an interesting experiment.
Neither are diagnosed with any allergy etc.

noisytoys Wed 17-Oct-12 18:41:45

DD is diagnosed milk allergy. No good for us then sad

mamij Wed 17-Oct-12 19:54:51

Done. DD2 had terrible eczema when I was eating dairy (cleared up since I became dairy free). Am a little worried in case DD2's eczema flares up again! Dermatologist doesn't think eczema is
Food related (!) so has suggested we 'challenge' her by introducing dairy into her diet - seems a bit cruel!

Lougle Wed 17-Oct-12 20:32:48

Umm...can I ask just how people will be able to give meaningful feedback after consuming just 2 litres of the product? hmm

I can't imagine how any meaningful feedback can be obtained from such a short trial of a different dairy product.

I guess the only way of doing so would be to continue to purchase the milk once the vouchers have been used. So, I won't join, because it seems a bit like a marketing campaign to me. Let's face it, they've practically bought themselves an advertising campaign for £100.

curmit Wed 17-Oct-12 20:45:10

fuzzpig please go to your GP and ask to be referred to allergy clinic! That programme really upset us, our DS is severely allergic to milk, and would have been experiencing the reactions they showed in that little boy on the programme if he was ingesting milk. It was so upsetting to see, when their GP could have taken action long before and helped to make things better.

fuzzpig Wed 17-Oct-12 21:54:40

Thanks curmit. His dermatologist is convinced it is not an allergic type, although she did get him tested for airborne allergens (which only came back as a very mild reaction with dust) and doesn't want to do any food tests - but we will push again. He was BF until turning 2 so never really drank any large volume of cows milk to see an obvious reaction, but has it on cereal/in cheese etc, and when I think about it, he didn't have eczema as young baby (like I did), it was towards his first birthday that it started getting bad, when he was eating more food... hmm. sad

mamij Wed 17-Oct-12 22:12:43

fuzzpig do we have the same dermatologist?. Why do they feel food isn't eczema related?! DD2 had such bad eczema it became raw and infected. Once I stopped eating dairy myself, her eczema cleared up (ebf until weaning). Dermatologist still not convinced it's dairy related!

curmit Wed 17-Oct-12 22:36:33

We saw a dermatologist at children's hospital, regularly, for a long time before we ever got referred to allergy clinic. They never suggested we cut out any food groups. They only suggest methods to improve, that are to do with skincare, as that is their specialist field. It took me nearly two years to get referred to the allergy clinic (It's actually called the chest clinic - for asthma allergies and so on) I took in the details of a doctor at a London hospital that a work colleague had recommended, and THEN all of a sudden GP suggested we could be refererred locally. Insist on a referral. The eczema docs, although very good at what they do, are not food allergy specialists. Hopefully it will come back as a negative result for you, but you should be given the option of a test. Good luck! x

seeker Wed 17-Oct-12 22:58:16

I do feel a littiehmm that mumsnet is giving credibility to this- it looks to the untrained eye to be bullshit rather than cow's milk..........

ouryve Wed 17-Oct-12 23:59:45

I saw something about this about 5-6 years ago on the lactose free clearinghouse blog. The supposed benefits are putative - much like those of goats milk which has very similar proteins to cows milk and still contains lactose.

I have a self diagnosed by deduction lactose intolerance, as does DS1. We manage it with a combination of milk substitutes and lactofree, which leave space for those nice junk foods that contain lactose anyway. Testing this stuff could say for me "it's definitely the lactose" and justify the raised eyebrow induced aches and pains.

seeker Thu 18-Oct-12 12:10:04

And what exactly does "all natural" mean?

babybarrister Thu 18-Oct-12 13:29:35

Aaa regular on the allergy boards together with many others, my bullshit detector is on high alert with this ...

It is all very well and good MN saying don't user it if you have a diagnosed allergy but as many of us know,getting a diagnosis is half the problem ....

Personally - and I am not a doctor but someone with a DS who is anaphylactic to all dairy- I would have thought this product would be useful to very, very few people but possibly dangerous to very many more - MN this was NOT a responsible decision to take if you have not run it by the major allergy organisations such as the Anaphylaxis campaign and Allergy UK - what was their view as a matter of interest?

MrsMarigold Thu 18-Oct-12 13:38:33

I suspect my DC2 might have a dairy allergy, DC1 does and Dc2 has some but not all the same symptoms - no blood in poo or mucus but v bad nappy rash which DC1 had too and horrendous skin - DC2 is only 1 month - I don't fancy going dairy free while breast feeding so I'd give it a shot pick up is available from my local shop.

Done, really looking forward to this as my eczema gets on my last nerve!! Would be good to have an alternative dairy product smile

Lougle Thu 18-Oct-12 13:56:33

babybarrister I have reported your post. MNHQ might not have looked in on this thread for a little while, so it would be good if they were able to read your post and have a think about the implications. I totally agree with you, alongside the issue that you can't attribute anything to a product like A2 after just 2 litres.

freefrommum Thu 18-Oct-12 14:06:56

I also agree with babybarrister that this is a very questionable advert that could potentially cause more harm than good and is basically a marketing ploy so that they can say 'endorsed by Mumsnetters'.

TheOtherHelenMumsnet (MNHQ) Thu 18-Oct-12 14:17:39

Hi all - thought we should respond to a couple of points:

freefrommum - this is just a product test, we won't be endorsing the product, regardless of the results.

babybarrister - we've tried to be clear in the OP that this isn't for anyone who has a severe reaction to dairy. It's aimed at people who suspect they may have some sort of issue with milk, but nothing as serious as the symptoms you describe.

We're just seeking clarification from a2 Milk on how much of the product each tester will get but the goal is to get testers to try it for 2 weeks and see if they notice any change.

seeker Thu 18-Oct-12 14:22:16

So basically it's a con.

Lougle Thu 18-Oct-12 14:49:10

Helen, it says very clearly in the OP that each tester will get vouchers for 2L of the product. Unless they can stretch that over 2 weeks, then posters are being expected to buy the product.

Also, it's impossible to say that 'you won't be endorsing the product', because once people from Mumsnet have tested the product and given feedback, the company can legitimately say 'tested by Mumsnetters' or 'Featured in a MN product test' and neither can be said to be untrue.

TheOtherHelenMumsnet (MNHQ) Thu 18-Oct-12 15:16:27

a2 Milk have asked us to post this response to queries:

"a2 Milk is not suitable for those experiencing allergic symptoms, whether diagnosed or not, and only those with mild reactions to regular milk (or none at all) should try it. a2 is a natural cows' milk and is not genetically modified in any way. a2 Milk has been available in Australia for years and has proved to be very popular amongst those with an intolerance to A1 beta-casein (which can cause bloating and constipation). If you are concerned that a2 is not for you, then please do not try it. If you are unsure then please consult your GP. If you experience bloating and constipation after drinking regular milk then please feel free to enlist for this trial where our Registered Nutritionist will check your suitability."

Also - we now have confirmation that each tester will get 4 vouchers each, so can buy up to 8 litres to try over the 2 week trial (or afterwards).

Lougle - what I mean is that Mumsnet isn't officially endorsing the product, as in 'Mumsnet approved' etc. Yes, we're doing a product test, and a2 will be able to say that, but there won't be any nutritional claims made off the back of the product trial.

babybarrister Thu 18-Oct-12 15:20:46

The point is MN that many people do not know what an allergic symptom necessarily is until they have been tested
I am going to be contacting the Anaphylaxis Campaign for their comment as it does not seem as if MN has done sohmm

babybarrister Thu 18-Oct-12 15:23:09

The point is that many people do not recognise allergic symptoms as being that UNTIL they are diagnosed ie eczema etc

MN clearly have not bothered to contact the allergy organisations so I am going to do so. Frankly I think this is a very poor show from MN - you have your priorities all wronghmm

Lougle Thu 18-Oct-12 15:41:43

"Lougle - what I mean is that Mumsnet isn't officially endorsing the product, as in 'Mumsnet approved' etc. Yes, we're doing a product test, and a2 will be able to say that, but there won't be any nutritional claims made off the back of the product trial. "

Thank you for your response Helen smile I have to say that, in my view, the wider public will not appreciate the semantic subtlety of 'Tested by Mumsnetters', 'Featured in a Mumsnet Product Test' and 'Mumsnet Approved'. As has been demonstrated with other spurious advertising campaigns in the past, what people will see is 'Mumsnet - big famous forum, it must be good'.

Holisticfairy Thu 18-Oct-12 16:45:46

Cows milk is difficult for most to digest and given that most milk is pasturised
It's a completely different to raw milk which can be beneficial to those that tolerate cows milk.For children raw goats milk is a much better option and easier on the digestion,for most dairy is mucus forming and causes numerous health problems.Home made nut milks can be used as a replacement,but be careful if you use soy as most soy is genetically modified.

ItsAllGoingToBeFine Thu 18-Oct-12 16:58:55

According to the NHS website there are clear differences between allergy symptoms and intolerance symptoms. Not sure whether Joe public should really be making that call though?

babybarrister Thu 18-Oct-12 17:41:12

The Anaphylaxis Campaign were not contacted about this. They have just tried to post on this thread but with no success. They will be trying again. They consider that anyone with any symptoms of any allergy or intolerance should FIRSTLY go and seek medical advice to rule out allergy or intolerance PRIOR to considering any other alternatives. MN should have made it clear that in all cases people should have sought medical advice in order to rule out any true allergy or intolerance

greenbananas Thu 18-Oct-12 17:46:15

MNHQ - please be very careful with this. I think you should withdraw any support for it as fast as possible.

There is widespread ignorance, even among GPs, about the difference between allergy and intolerance. Some people are going to be made extremely poorly by trying this milk. A few people might have very serious reactions to it. Quite apart from the human cost of this irresponsible advertising campaign, this is not going to look good for mumsnet if/when it gets any adverse publicity.

I've had a look at the manufacturer's website, and the difference between allergy and intolerance is not being made clear at all. Understandably, they are just concerned to sell the stuff to as many people as possible. This could be very dangerous.

Lougle Thu 18-Oct-12 17:56:42

Putting it another way, MNHQ:

If this was a product test for a nut product, would you be happy to endorse a product test (because by posting the request, you are endorsing the testing, if not the product itself) where you ask for posters whose DC or themselves have:

~ Have had some kind of issue, or suspected issue to do with nut products in the past year, but...
~ NOT have been diagnosed as nut intolerant by a healthcare professional (GP, Dietitian, Nutritionist)
~ NOT have been diagnosed as nut allergic by a healthcare professional (GP, Dietitian, Nutritionist)
~ Be able to get to one of the stores listed here to collect your <slightly atypical nut product>

Would you??

I don't think you would. Because NUT allergies are well known and well publicised. You'd be thinking 'don't want to touch this with a bargepole. We don't do pseudo-allergy testing, we do product tests.'

HelenMumsnet (MNHQ) Thu 18-Oct-12 18:34:41

Evening. And thanks for all the points you've made here: we are definitely taking them all on board. It's a bit too late in the day now to take any decisions/do anything further but we wanted you to know we weren't ignoring you.

Re babybarrister's point: TheOtherHelen's OP does stress that "if you're at all concerned about whether or not you should take part in this product test,, then please consult a healthcare professional before signing up."

Although we do appreciate we could perhaps have worded that to make it clearer that, if you have any worries about allergies/intolerance, you should seek medical advice before doing anything else.

babybarrister Thu 18-Oct-12 18:38:32

As a matter of interest in terms of food allergens, after nuts in fact it is milk which has the next highest level of fatality - worth thinking about isn't it? Have a look at the UK Resuscitation Council Guidelines on the Treatment of Anaphylaxis for a full break down on the stats ...

babybarrister Thu 18-Oct-12 18:43:53

The most important point is that as you now realise people must rule out dangerous conditions for them and their DC first.

A secondary point is whether this milk is in fact helpful for anyone as it is relying on frankly totally unproven claims ....hmm

HALA Thu 18-Oct-12 19:18:40

My son has bad eczema, hay fever etc. and would love to try anything that might help.

mamij Thu 18-Oct-12 19:44:07

MNHQ - would you mind withdrawing my application please? Have second thoughts reading through all these threads.

Curmit - will definitely push to see an allergist. Have appointment with dietician in about three weeks time. Hopefully will be more helpful than dermatologist!

Lougle Thu 18-Oct-12 20:08:31

"It's a bit too late in the day now to take any decisions/do anything further but we wanted you to know we weren't ignoring you."

Really? How is it too late?

greenbananas Thu 18-Oct-12 20:18:07

Mulling this over some more, I think that one of my main concerns is that the word "protein" in the advertising may confuse even some people with diagnosed allergies to milk proteins into trying this stuff. There will have to be something very, very clear on the packaging which says that would be dangerous.

The manufacturers are certainly not going out of their way to make it clear that eczema, asthma and hayfever are atopic conditions which are linked to a tendency towards allergies in general.

seeker Thu 18-Oct-12 20:20:57

I just think that "a new, entirely natural type of British cow's milk" is completely meaningless.

casabevron Thu 18-Oct-12 20:56:01

So to sum up, in order to take part in this trial you must

~ Have had some kind of issue, or suspected issue to do with milk or dairy products in the past year, but...
~ NOT have been diagnosed as lactose intolerant by a healthcare professional (GP, Dietitian, Nutritionist)
~ NOT have been diagnosed as milk allergic by a healthcare professional (GP, Dietitian, Nutritionist)

In other words, you have either been to a doctor and established that you are not allergic/intolerant to cow's milk, or you have not been to a doctor and therefore not been diagnosed as allergic or intolerant yet. It would not seem to me that this milk is the solution in either case.

Am so sick of seeing products and services aimed at cashing in on the lack of knowledge amongst the general population, not to mention doctors, surrounding allergies and intolerances. It is only through having a ds relatively recently diagnosed with food allergies that I have received a rapid and sobering education on what allergies really entail.

I've no doubt that this product has proven popular in Australia. If the number of 'part-time' intolerances/allergies I've encountered since ds was diagnosed is anything to go by, it'll sell well here too. Am very surprised at you MN for enabling this trial, I thought you were a bit more clued-up than that...

(And sorry to be pedantic, but I don't think a nutritionist counts as a healthcare professional does it? - I could set myself up as a nutritionist tomorrow with no qualifications at all. If you have been told by a nutritionist that you are not milk allergic/intolerant, it might be wise to seek further advice from a proper medical professional.)

ItsAllGoingToBeFine Thu 18-Oct-12 21:03:56

In other words, you have either been to a doctor and established that you are not allergic/intolerant to cow's milk, or you have not been to a doctor and therefore not been diagnosed as allergic or intolerant yet. It would not seem to me that this milk is the solution in either case

I think they are trying to say it is suitable for those with a diagnosed cow protein intolerance (not allergy?)

Lougle Thu 18-Oct-12 21:10:42

"Hence a2 Milk is the natural answer to a question of A1 Milk protein intolerance."

How does one distinguish between 'A1 Milk protein intolerance' and any other intolerance of dairy?

A critical Review of the A2 Milk Case from Australia, where the company in question claims:

"a2 Milk has proved very popular in Australia where thousands of milk consumers have made the switch and seen an improvement as a result." (from the OP)

This review says, and I quote:

"This review concludes, however, that there is no convincing or even probable evidence that the A1 beta-casein of cow milk has any adverse effect in humans."

casabevron Thu 18-Oct-12 21:21:20

But where is the bit that says 'if you have been diagnosed with a cow protein intolerance...'? It's not there! They're asking you to self-diagnose. All those vague 'may well benefit' and 'if you suspect'-type statements. Preying on people's insecurities and lack of knowledge hmm

casabevron Thu 18-Oct-12 21:22:19

Or

What Lougle said grin

colditz Thu 18-Oct-12 21:56:09

Done. If this works, ds1 won't have to have soya milk any more.

HoopDePoop Thu 18-Oct-12 22:01:40

Marking place, finding the product a bit dubious tbh.

eragon Thu 18-Oct-12 22:12:43

This milk is pointless, and isnt something i would ever recommend trying.

of course if you have no problems AT ALL with consuming milk, feel free to drink it, just the same as normal milk.

for many who have a significant intolerent response to milk, are not able to enjoy milk from any other udder.

For those with mild intolerence, goat has been used by some to be more digestable. mainly because of a slight difference in lactose formatian.

For those with ibs , the same applies as normal milk intol, so depends on severity.

btw milk from a cow that is raw, is still going to cause the same problem normal milk, and organic come to that...

of course, for the IgE milk allergic, well just dont go near milk in ANY form.

of course have heard reports that camel milk is good for ezcema, but sneaking up on a camel at woburn isnt my idea of fun.

I agree that this isnt something mumsnet should have as a product placement on site or as a trial.

Josaphina Thu 18-Oct-12 22:37:47

To me this sounds good! It's clear who it is NOT for (lactose intolerance or those with milk allergy) and clear who it could be for-people like me who often feel abit bloated after cereal and milky coffee/hot choc and my son who is often constipated. Will defo try it out for my family.

trixymalixy Thu 18-Oct-12 23:16:34

So it's for the lifestyle or "islington intolerants". Disappointing.

babybarrister Fri 19-Oct-12 07:18:08

Itsallgoingtobe fine
There is not really such a thing as a protein intolerance- any reaction to a protein is an allergy and may be dangerous.
A reaction to some other component of the food is an intolerance...
This encourages people who should be seeing doctors and asking for proper testing under the new NICE guidelines instead to try self diagnosis

seeker Fri 19-Oct-12 08:39:22

So excited to see 'islington intolerance" used! I think I invented
the expression. Prepared to be proved wrong but I do hope I did!

Declutterbug Fri 19-Oct-12 11:08:24

Oh whatever next. It is so disappointing to see this thread here.

If someone has something that can help intolerance then it should be put through a rigorous clinical trial to demonstrate it, not a MN 'product test'.

This is clearly designed to generte 'data' that can then be used in marketing to help part worried people from their cash sad.

If people suspect a problem with a child take them to a doctor and ask for a referral for proper testing. Do not experiment with them on the basis of a MN thread coming from a company with a product to sell!

An all new low.

ItsAllGoingToBeFine Fri 19-Oct-12 11:38:43

Lougle s link in full...

The A2 milk case: a critical review.
Truswell AS.
Source
Human Nutrition Unit, University of Sydney, Australia. s.truswell@mmb.usyd.edu.au
Abstract
This review outlines a hypothesis that A1 one of the common variants of beta-casein, a major protein in cows milk could facilitate the immunological processes that lead to type I diabetes (DM-I). It was subsequently suggested that A1 beta-casein may also be a risk factor for coronary heart disease (CHD), based on between-country correlations of CHD mortality with estimated national consumption of A1 beta-casein in a selected number of developed countries. A company, A2 Corporation was set up in New Zealand in the late 1990s to test cows and market milk in several countries with only the A2 variant of beta-casein, which appeared not to have the disadvantages of A1 beta-casein. The second part of this review is a critique of the A1/A2 hypothesis. For both DM-I and CHD, the between-country correlation method is shown to be unreliable and negated by recalculation with more countries and by prospective studies in individuals. The animal experiments with diabetes-prone rodents that supported the hypothesis about diabetes were not confirmed by larger, better standardised multicentre experiments. The single animal experiment supporting an A1 beta-casein and CHD link was small, short, in an unsuitable animal model and had other design weaknesses. The A1/A2 milk hypothesis was ingenious. If the scientific evidence had worked out it would have required huge adjustments in the world's dairy industries. This review concludes, however, that there is no convincing or even probable evidence that the A1 beta-casein of cow milk has any adverse effect in humans. This review has been independent of examination of evidence related to A1 and A2 milk by the Australian and New Zealand food standard and food safety authorities, which have not published the evidence they have examined and the analysis of it. They stated in 2003 that no relationship has been established between A1 or A2 milk and diabetes, CHD or other diseases.

Iggly Fri 19-Oct-12 14:39:56

Both of mine have dairy intolerances although ds is outgrowing his at age 3. Dd is only 10 months so not prepared to give it to her but would give to DS (pure cows milk gives him loose poos). I also feel sick and get an upset tummy after cows milk.

KatieBMumsnet (MNHQ) Fri 19-Oct-12 16:08:43

Thanks for all your comments so far.

We are closing this thread now, as we already have enough volunteers for the product test.

We - and a2Milk - will make sure that all volunteers for the test are carefully briefed about the conditions for taking part - and that it's made clear that anyone with any suspicions of milk allergy/intolerance should seek medical advice in the first instance and definitely before taking part in the product test.

We're really grateful for the feedback you've given us about product tests of this sort. It's definitely food for thought - and something for us to bear in mind when we plan future product tests.

Lougle Fri 19-Oct-12 18:56:01

"We are closing this thread now, as we already have enough volunteers for the product test. "

Katie, can I just express how very disappointed I am that MNHQ has put their financial concerns above their integrity on this occasion? I'm sorry to call it so harshly, but it can't be seen any other way.

I for one, would have been much more impressed to see you say ""We are closing this thread now, as we are suspending the product test until A2 can show that there is any probable truth to their claims."

I guess MN is more commercial than even us cynics realised sad

greenbananas Fri 19-Oct-12 19:07:07

Lougle, I agree, but maybe there was a contract that MN couldn't get out of once the thread had been started.

"We're really grateful for the feedback you've given us about product tests of this sort. It's definitely food for thought - and something for us to bear in mind when we plan future product tests..."

This gives me hope smile

HelenMumsnet (MNHQ) Sat 20-Oct-12 13:00:25

greenbananas

Lougle, I agree, but maybe there was a contract that MN couldn't get out of once the thread had been started.

"We're really grateful for the feedback you've given us about product tests of this sort. It's definitely food for thought - and something for us to bear in mind when we plan future product tests..."

This gives me hope smile

Thank you, greenbananas. That's appreciated.

DavanB Mon 22-Oct-12 15:08:01

Hello, I work at the Anaphylaxis Campaign. We have been alerted to this thread by one of our members - we strongly advise parents talk to their clinician before venturing on using any product which make such claims. We have consulted a medical expert from our Clinical and Scientific panel who said “Eliminating one protein from milk will not protect the majority of cow milk allergic subjects who react to several different proteins. This true of virtually all allergies whether foods or inhalants.” Please refer to our website for more information on severe allergy and anaphylaxis - www.anaphylaxis.org.uk.

HelenMumsnet (MNHQ) Mon 22-Oct-12 15:27:32

DavanB

Hello, I work at the Anaphylaxis Campaign. We have been alerted to this thread by one of our members - we strongly advise parents talk to their clinician before venturing on using any product which make such claims. We have consulted a medical expert from our Clinical and Scientific panel who said ?Eliminating one protein from milk will not protect the majority of cow milk allergic subjects who react to several different proteins. This true of virtually all allergies whether foods or inhalants.? Please refer to our website for more information on severe allergy and anaphylaxis - www.anaphylaxis.org.uk.

Thanks DavanB. We'd second that. As we've already said, TheOtherHelenMumsnet did take pains to say in her opening post that people should consult a healthcare professional before signing up to this product test.

We're sorry if we didn't make that as clear as it could have been.

IvanaNap Wed 28-Nov-12 19:30:51

Just to say we got our milk vouchers this week.
six weeks since this thread started...
grin

Checked local supermarkets but they don't stock so will have to hunt around.

NiniLegsInTheAir Fri 30-Nov-12 14:02:43

Got my vouchers this week too. It's stocked at our local Tescos so will be picking up some to try tomorrow smile

NiniLegsInTheAir Sun 02-Dec-12 14:24:20

Well, tried to get some from our local Tescos this morning but it isn't stocked there (despite the website saying it would be). So now on the hunt, will try the nearest morrisons.

Is there a feedback thread yet? smile

poopoopoo Thu 06-Dec-12 08:45:10

I was also looking for the feedback thread, I have used the vouchers (thank you) to purchase 2 x 2 Litre bottles of A2 milk from Budgens. I could only get semi-skimmed in this size. No taste difference from usual semi-skimmed milk.

*I found this information interesting*: http://www.livestrong.com/article/440795-digestive-enzymes-milk-protein-intolerance/
*Also this info*:http://milkgenomics.org/newsletter/proteases-vs.-antiproteases-the-battle-over-milk-digestion

Particularly the last paragraph of this page about enzymatic pre-digestion in formula milk is interesting and slightly related to this topic.
It makes you wonder if the what benefits you could be missing out from when not consuming the A1 protein? Does the manufacturer have this information? The health benefits of standard milk should also be considered. I do think there could be individuals who could benefit but they would need testing to actually prove it! However I see nothing wrong with providing a product, if people feel better when drinking it, then great. Also I wondered if people who have an intolerance to A1 were to take enzymes as supplements could they improve their digestion symptoms??
Anyway we will continue to try the milk and feedback when sent a thread.......smile

IvanaNapAfterChristmasDinner Mon 10-Dec-12 22:27:32

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