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Should we be setting our sights on lads' mags and internet porn as the next leg of Let Girls be Girls?

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JustineMumsnet (MNHQ) Wed 28-Jul-10 17:58:06

Following on from our Let Girls Be Girls campaign, we're thinking about what we might do next in the area of campaigning against premature sexualisation. We know that many of you are concerned about explicitly sexual imagery on the covers of lads' mags and the Sunday Sport, particularly when these publications are displayed at child's-eye level. We also know that some of you are worried about the ease with which children can access frankly pornographic imagery - some of it violent and disturbing - on the internet, whether on PCs or mobile phones.

We'd like to canvass Mumsnetters' views on these and related issues. Are you angry or embarrassed about lads' mags in plain view, or are you not too bothered? Do you consider the Sunday Sport or Zoo magazine to be pornographic, or merely cheeky? Is child access to internet pornography something that concerns you? If so, who do you think should be responsible for filtering out this content: parents/carers, or the internet service providers? If you have already set up parental controls on your computers at home, how effective do you think the filtering software is? An internet entrepreneur in the US has just started selling domain names ending in .xxx, with the intention of making this domain the "red light district" of the internet - see details here; does this sound like a good idea to you?

Obviously porn and sexuality is always a touchy <cough> subject. Just to make it clear, we?re not interested in clamping down on the adult use of (legal) porn; we purely concerned with its availability to children.

We would be very grateful to know your thoughts.

LeninExcelsis Tue 14-Dec-10 09:54:18

Saw on Twitter this campaign has launched, great stuff.

As a mum of two young boys I find these mags really offensive. I don't want my sons growing up thinking this is a correct representation of women.

I turn the mags around in shops to hide the offensive front covers.

looklauren Wed 15-Dec-10 00:22:17

So pleased to see this thread!! I turn the grim mags over (and the tacky and vile b'day cards) whenever they are within mine or my little boy's sight. Vile, vile, vile!! How can they think it is OK!? I feel soooooo angry!!!

I have complained to COOP and won't go in there after a pathetic reply that said they try and keep them in an appropriate place.

Also complained to my local shopping mall after I came face to face with a huge poster of Keira Knightley with her chest covered with a bowler hat.. I've not seen anything distasteful since so feel happy about that.

I will complain and do anything to hide those images anywhere because it is child abuse and appalling..

Eurostar Wed 15-Dec-10 00:41:15

I'm sorry that I haven't read the thread but I would say yes but also make it a "let boys be boys" campaign. Young boys get inundated and confused with this rubbish too.

LeninInExcelsis Wed 15-Dec-10 09:40:58

Linda Papadopoulos talks about the effect of all this on all children, more info here.

I do think there is a particular issue over these kinds of mags being on show in places everyone uses though. The portrayals of women are particularly bad and bad for all children to 'normalise'.

There's another thread in Campaigns on this too I think.

samm2 Wed 15-Dec-10 13:07:14

100% support this campaign and agree the campaign should start small - focus on challenging newsagents and supermarkets about not displaying adult mags at childs eye level.

What also disgusts me is the music channels which are getting increasingly more sexual. Channels like MTV are not classed as adult channels but should be considering the content of these is most certainly not suitable for children.

Vickiw1 Wed 15-Dec-10 16:25:24

I sent a survey from the Havens to mumsnet which identifies that 24% of young men would have sex with a girl that said no as they wouldn't take it as no, 48% would continue having sex with a girl that wanted to stop in the middle of sex and 60% would continue sex with a girl that was crying. Lads mags and on line porn is teaching young men to view girls as objects to have sex with, not people. Young men wouldn't ask a chair if it minded being sat on, and young men are increasingly not interested if the girl wants sex if they want to have it with her ... hence the 42% rise in rapes in the past year alone in the London area and a corresponding rise in domestic violence. Support mumsnet, support Object who have been campaigning about this for five years, turn the mags over in your supermarket (crinkling the front covers accidentally in the process perhaps?), complain to the manager, write to your MP asking her/him to campaign to extend the law on publishing material designed to encourage race hate to cover material that encourages gender hate which will then knock out nearly all porn that calls women bitches, sluts and other humiliating and degrading terminology, support Pinkstinks, support Fawcett but for God's sake get off your arse and start straightening out this mess before it damages every child in the country one way or another ...

Vickiw1 Wed 15-Dec-10 16:30:42

Definitely should be extending it to internet porn as average age boys access it is 11 years old and every web site offers rape, incest, bestiality etc. If your son is buying videos of girls being raped to order this makes them an accessory to the crime as they are paying to watch it which means their money is used to commission new rapes to video ...

veryberry21 Wed 15-Dec-10 18:39:58

I didn't skim the entir thread (19 pages) but from what i read at the top i totally agree. Seeing little kids in a newagents and thinking "Don't look towards the magazine rack." Kids magazines are metres away from porn magazines , there should be more awarness of this.
Vickiw1 is right. It's ridiculous how 11 year old boys can have access to such disturbing things. No way would i allow my son to be putting (unaware) towards rape videos being made. It's sick.

megfleet Thu 16-Dec-10 09:33:21

We are a registered charity and have a petition tackling this issue, please go to www.thefrontpagecampaign.org.uk to sign the petition.

Thanks

David51 Thu 16-Dec-10 10:42:29

How about a campaign to force Internet Service Providers to pre-filter pornography before it gets to your computer?

There are 1 or 2 ISPs that do this but most of them clearly don't give a damn.

Let people access porn if they want but they should have to request it specially when they open their ISP account, not get it by default.

Cheers

jardy Thu 16-Dec-10 11:53:53

Applaud this thread,esp after reading what one of the young lads from One Direction at the end of final ALLEDGEDLY whispered in Matts ear.He is just a kid,and if he is role model that is a terrible message to give out.Yuk.Mind you it might not be true but right disgusting thing to say if it is.angry

theexample Thu 16-Dec-10 13:20:18

Am I to assume that Cosmo will also be affected by this campaign?

theexample Thu 16-Dec-10 13:40:38

Re: Looklauren

''Also complained to my local shopping mall after I came face to face with a huge poster of Keira Knightley with her chest covered with a bowler hat.. I've not seen anything distasteful since so feel happy about that.''

How would you cope in the rest of Europe where images of breasts are commonly on display in public places?

cosmo doesn't normally have flaps on the cover.

i popped into the (marks and spencer!!)garage for milk yesterday - saw the front page of the daily sport at toddler level and actually did a double take.

previous issue 15 december

it's difficult enough trying to bring up two boys aged 12 and 11 to respect women without national daily newspapers trying to thwart my every single discussion with them. I'm absolutely behind this from the point ofview that sex is brilliant, but women are people, not objects for their gratification.

so! MN - what do we do? email campaign to retailers/boycott? turn over nuts/zoo/sport/whatever?

bestemor Fri 17-Dec-10 00:32:33

I agree with foureleven: simple nudity is not a problem; but it's not just the impact on children that worries me: as a sexually active grandmother I find it depressing to be constantly faced with images of a distorted idea of female sexuality at my eyelevel!

bestemor Fri 17-Dec-10 00:41:57

P.S. We could start with the Co-op perhaps, since they have an "ethical" policy, (although my local Co-op has as much soft porn as any other supermarket), and it's meant to be democratic: members can go along to meetings and make a fuss!

Nettlerash Sun 19-Dec-10 20:14:17

Same here, count me in. I am sick of being called old fashioned at 30 just because I try and draw a line where it comes to stuff like this. I always think its so sad to see such young girls now dressed up in skimpy clothes bearing all when they have no idea what they are doing or who is watching them.Its our responsibility.

stickybun Mon 03-Jan-11 22:29:28

http://www.thefrontpagecampaign.org.uk/

These people posted on mumsnet a couple of years ago and and got slagged off by someone or other for their 'amateurishness' by a couple of mums. I get emails from them and getting a mention on ITV news and getting more support for their EDM.Have you contacted your MP yet?

I have been doing single person approaches and managed to get one Co-Op store to cover front pages and put them high up. After chatting about how right on they usually try to be I pointed out that they were effectively forcing my children to look at pornography; another way this could be seen in a different context is 'grooming'. Other approaches included taking one of mags (with crotch shots, up to counter and saying that I didn't really want my kids to be forced to look at wank mags. I then slowly flicked thru' showing that as these were displayed at child height it was very easy for them to be looked at accidentally. Was v. polite and friendly to staff whilst doing this - and said that I wasn't uptight but just throught little kids shouldn't be forced to look. Am aways very careful re. anyone who might be offended being in vicinity.

I also have done 'rearranging' of shelves if can't be bothered to chat. Could we have one day when we just do some direct action - e.g. taking all mags off shelves then chaning our minds at tills or dropping them all on the floor by accident? Wouldn't have to be sophisticated would it?

daddoinghisbest Tue 04-Jan-11 17:07:54

I am totally supportive of a campaign to restrict the display of 'lads' mags'. We had a rediculous situation in my town: there was uproar when an 'adult' shop tried to open up even though it was to have totally blacked out windows and a door entry system. People argued that children would be corrupted, yet right opposite the location was a newsagent displaying top shelf porn in full view of children buying sweets. Crazy!

David51 Thu 06-Jan-11 13:20:17

I've noticed that Sainsburys use a kind of bookend to hide the offending covers whereas Tesco don't bother. So if you have the choice, shop at Sainsburys and then tell Tesco why you have made that choice.

Grandmar Mon 10-Jan-11 12:52:20

Years ago when we were fighting for equal pay and trying to stop the exploitation of women - we would take
the mags to the check-out, wait until they have
rang them up, then say we have changed our minds and walk out leaving them on the counter
with a very frustrated assistant.

Yvonne2010 Tue 01-Feb-11 18:50:45

I suggest getting the Dads involved. Ask them to speak to shop keepers about where these magazines are displayed too. I'm sure the Dads aren't happy with it either and the shopkeepers might listen more if the men complain too.

susiegrapevine Wed 02-Feb-11 21:57:14

I wouls just like to say that i am pleased to see our local morrisons puts all the lad mags behind magazine shaped pieces of plastic with the names of the mags on and just the banner sticking out of the top so you can't see anything! I think this is brill plus they are also on the top shelf so the kids can't reach em and are not likely to even see em so won't ask about them and why they are hidden. Well done Morrisons!

WouldUlikeacuppa Mon 14-Feb-11 17:40:17

I was so pleased to read this! I've been on a (what feels like) one woman campaign against the Co-op in my local town, who place lads mags opposite the children's comics. I was called a prude by one of the shop assistants and then told it was standard Co-op layout and they couldn't do anything about it!!
I then rang head office, more than once and was eventually told they would look into it.
The lads mags changed in position for 2 weeks and then went back to their original place - OPPOSITE COMICS..
I now refuse to use the Co-op.

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