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Should we be setting our sights on lads' mags and internet porn as the next leg of Let Girls be Girls?

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JustineMumsnet (MNHQ) Wed 28-Jul-10 17:58:06

Following on from our Let Girls Be Girls campaign, we're thinking about what we might do next in the area of campaigning against premature sexualisation. We know that many of you are concerned about explicitly sexual imagery on the covers of lads' mags and the Sunday Sport, particularly when these publications are displayed at child's-eye level. We also know that some of you are worried about the ease with which children can access frankly pornographic imagery - some of it violent and disturbing - on the internet, whether on PCs or mobile phones.

We'd like to canvass Mumsnetters' views on these and related issues. Are you angry or embarrassed about lads' mags in plain view, or are you not too bothered? Do you consider the Sunday Sport or Zoo magazine to be pornographic, or merely cheeky? Is child access to internet pornography something that concerns you? If so, who do you think should be responsible for filtering out this content: parents/carers, or the internet service providers? If you have already set up parental controls on your computers at home, how effective do you think the filtering software is? An internet entrepreneur in the US has just started selling domain names ending in .xxx, with the intention of making this domain the "red light district" of the internet - see details here; does this sound like a good idea to you?

Obviously porn and sexuality is always a touchy <cough> subject. Just to make it clear, we?re not interested in clamping down on the adult use of (legal) porn; we purely concerned with its availability to children.

We would be very grateful to know your thoughts.

ted2 Wed 15-Sep-10 22:42:24

I agree with TheMightyToosh & had also come online to check how I can report adult material that creeps into a search I did for 'corner sofas' shock. I'm so tired of everything being 'in your face' and would absolutely support this campaign.

prevailingone Thu 16-Sep-10 13:32:06

I went to a seminar that had displays of magazines from toddler to adults and showed links between sexualisation of girls/women, from throughout the above mentoned age groups. The magazines suggested passive behaviour in girls for example, promotion of diets for pre teens,heavy focus on beauty and being desible to others etc. I have always tried to encourage my kids to choose educational magazines but that does require knowledge of what magazines shops stock. I was over the moon on a recent holiday to London that the first newsagent I went in with the kids stocked The National Geographic - kids edition, which is educational and not directed around harmful sex stereotypes or practices. Perhaps mumsnet could invite kids and young adults magazines to sign up to agree to not present harmful sex stereotype images/articles/practices in their magazines. Or mumsnet could have an annual award for the magazine/s mumsnetters vote for? Or both

tabouleh Mon 25-Oct-10 11:54:29

Bump! These types of things keep coming up around MN - eg newsagents display of the Sport and lad's mags/guitar hero - inappropirate images being seen by children.

MN - please can you sticky this thread to get it moving again!

RowanMumsnet (MNHQ) Tue 26-Oct-10 11:01:37

Hello all,

Thanks for this nudge. In the next couple of weeks we're going to be launching a mini-audit of the retailers who have signed up to Let Girls Be Girls; once that's underway, we will be unveiling our plan for getting stuck in to the lads' mags issue. So watch this space.

tabouleh Tue 26-Oct-10 18:53:03

Great! smile

DialMforMother Wed 27-Oct-10 08:30:30

Have just been directed here. What a great idea - tbh I'll be glad when my mum and dad don't have to run the gauntlet of 'Jasmine takes it from behind' evertime they pop out for a paper let alone dd

InmyheadIminParis Wed 27-Oct-10 08:34:17

Great news.

LeninGhoul Wed 27-Oct-10 19:33:40

Sounds like some good stuff coming, looking forward to it.

Pan Wed 27-Oct-10 20:37:15

Bsck it 100%. Have thought this for years, and esp. since I have had a dd, now 10 y.o. Do I want her growing up with the messages that even mainstream media perpetuate??

and noticing the "Adult" channel services on Sky t.v. was a bit of a shocker. Yes, Sky will say yo ucan disable it, which you can of course, but dd will be out at other homes where they are not so bothered. Writhing 'models' on tv beamed into your very own lounge at the push of a button or two?? No ta. Daily Star, Sunday Sports stuff is just gobsmacking.

Not really bothered about the possible accusations. Let's not live in a fear when the cause is so right.

LeninGhoul Wed 27-Oct-10 21:00:46

Pan, I hate the fact the backdrop/ screens are there even if I lock the channels. Just because I want sport channels doesn't mean I want 500 other channels full of crap too. There's another thing to add to the list.

Pan Wed 27-Oct-10 21:43:00

Not sure what you mean there, Lenin. On mine I block the adult chanels, and when I press to go above "All Programmes" it's only showing the remaining 6 - religion, gaming and stuff.
Unless I am totally misunderstand you. (Again.confused.smile

Ironically, it's only because of dd I have Sky, so she doesn't miss out on nickelodeon, as to NOT have this is would be an utter travesty. In her current world!

just noticed this thread is an old one, from when I was away.

LeninGhoul Wed 27-Oct-10 22:11:49

When you flick through the channels (I'n on Virgin) they still advertise themselves even if you need a PIN to watch them. I want to hide them.

Pan Wed 27-Oct-10 22:13:44

ah. I seeeeee. erased from the face of the menu on sky.

LeninGhoul Wed 27-Oct-10 22:14:08

Here's the problem. Will try again and then email them if it doesn't work.

Pighill Wed 27-Oct-10 22:37:23

Yes,as a parent it is concerning, my Child is not old enough yet to access the internet but I know that day is looming, lets protect our Children as long as we can.
Tracey
www.tracey-confessionsofamother.blogspot.com

LeninGuido Mon 08-Nov-10 10:46:19

I am absolutely furious about lad mags on display in local shops.

This was what I saw in our local Tesco yesterday - Nuts naked issue - www.nuts.co.uk/magazine and the cover of the Sunday Sport in the Co-op was absolutely disgraceful.

I am sick of it. Do something please. I'll help.

I covered all these up yesterday and had a really nice chat with the (male) shop assistant about it all.

Tesco have stopped selling the Sunday Sport thankfully. You had to see the front page to believe it.

I don't give a flying fuck if it all comes across as Mary Whitehouse-ish, I do not want my sons thinking that it's ok for women to be displayed like this.

I am going back to online shopping which will cut my bills anyway because I can't stand going into these shops and seeing this stuff anymore.

omnishambles Mon 08-Nov-10 14:34:50

Agree Lenin - am going to start being much more active about this from tomorrow - ie when I'm in a shop I'm going to raise it with them if its an indie shops or turn them round and complain in a supermarket.

Am getting really sick of the objectification of people - even men now - did you see Tom Daley on the cover of the Observer magazine last week?

Ormirian Mon 08-Nov-10 14:35:59

Yes.

madhairday Tue 09-Nov-10 11:59:45

Yes. 100% support this. I asked an assistant at my local WHSmiths to change where they put the mags but jut got looked at blankly. Nothing has changed, surprise surprise.

And what about the soft porn music videos you get at any time of the day on some of the music channels, easy for dc to access and again some of these objectify women, some of whom look much too young.

<happy to be Mary Whitehouse-ish, anytime>

ifIsaynodontjustaskdad Fri 12-Nov-10 10:11:08

Agree with ISNT and Posie about the lads mags and tabloids being an issue that I would really like addressed.

Having been really complacent about my attitude to porn (in which I always included FHM,Nuts and page 3 of the Sun, Star and pretty much the entire Sport) before I was pg, I got really incensed by the Sport and how it was displayed in supermarkets, grocers and newsagents as it was only then, with a kid on the way that I actually thought about what kids were seeing.

There are a lot of daily newspapers that have porn on the front covers, the Sport is by far the worst for this.

The cover that made me shake with anger was a woman naked apart from a thong bending over looking over her shoulder and shot from behind. This was at child's eye level in the supermarket and next to the kids magazines (Fi fi and the flowertots and CBeebies).

I complained to the manager and they moved it up for the day, but I then did a quick check and every newsagent on the street that sold it had it at a similar level. I tried calling trading standards and offcom about it (yes I was really very hormonally angry about it) who both said it was out of their remit.

I have to say of all of them it is the Sport which is a serial offender for this type of thing, not so much a daily newspaper as a daily wank. Since that time I have complained about it and where it is put to multiple supermarkets and newsagents on occasions when it is particularly vile. I get some really funny looks, but generally they do see my point.

I don't have a problem with adult men looking at this, just as I assume they don't have an issue with me judging them for it.

However there is a distinction between adults and children, and it is no more appropriate for children to be exposed to this than it is for them to be sold padded bras at 8.

If newspapers and magazines have this on their covers then at the very least it shouldn't be at child's eye level or the newspaper bins that contain them should obscure the covers so kids can't see it, at least page 3 is inside the paper.

I think it would be a really good idea to start small - focus on newsagents and supermarkets and get them to think about what they are putting where.

ifIsaynodontjustaskdad Fri 12-Nov-10 10:19:05

Glad that Earthymomma secretly sabotages their sales grin much better idea than my practice of complaining to the shop all the time, and probably more effective.

There is a campaign against Gillian McKeith called turning bad science on it's head, which consists of those protesting turning all her products upside down where they see them displayed.

I quite like the idea of non violent protest against the Sport etc being to turn all the display copies backwards and upside down so only the back cover is on display (usually less offensive).

bibiane Thu 18-Nov-10 12:28:53

Anyone else fall for The Suns eurodisneyoffer>
My 11yr old saw the advert on TV and we bought the paper the next day. She searched thru for the voucher and discovered Page 3!
Not being a regular buyer of tabloids I was suprised to see that this was still going. I couldn't explain it to her because I don't understand it myself. Just what has a topless woman got to do with news? and why is it in a 'newspaper'
Perhaps the editors of these papers could explain. My daughter just labels it 'sexist' and rightly so. But why is Page 3 still with us? Perhaps we should start with the easily available stuff.
Wasn't it Claire Short who attempted to address this in the 80's?

megfleet Sat 04-Dec-10 17:40:39

I work for the only campaign/charity that is actively fighting to get lads mags age restricted and out of sight from children. Go to our website www.thefrontpagecampaign.org.uk we would really appreciate being featured on here. We come from a childs point of view, and have alot of political backing.
Please also sign our petition which can be found on the website. Visit our facebook group: front page campaign

We'd love to hear your comments :-)
Thanks

megfleet Sat 04-Dec-10 17:40:54

I work for the only campaign/charity that is actively fighting to get lads mags age restricted and out of sight from children. Go to our website www.thefrontpagecampaign.org.uk we would really appreciate being featured on here. We come from a childs point of view, and have alot of political backing.
Please also sign our petition which can be found on the website. Visit our facebook group: front page campaign

We'd love to hear your comments :-)
Thanks

CaroleCh Mon 13-Dec-10 21:40:34

I would absolutely support any campaign that addresses the premature sexualisation of girls. It is damaging.

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