31+4 with DCDA twins and just looking for a bit of companionship during the countdown...

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legallyblond Wed 31-Jul-13 17:07:12

.... That's it really!

I have an almost 3 yo DD (she'll be 2.11 if they arrive when anticipated) and am still working full time (10 hour days as a lawyer) and, just this week, the exhaustion has hit. I'm planning to work until 34 weeks and have an elcs booked for 37+3.... It feels a long way away!

I am starting to get nervous about it all (I have been nervous throughout though!):

- nervous about bf - I ebf DD until we did baby led weaning and then carried on bf until she was 2, but a bit scared it won't work with 2, also becasue no sign of leaking colostrum and much smaller boobs than last time... and I never pumped or gave DD a bottle (of either my milk or formula - she was a total boittle refuser), so will be clueless (and disappointed that I'm not giving them the same as DD) if bf doesn't work or they're in NICU...

- nervous they'll be permature - I really, really want to make it to 36 weeks at least and would LOVE for them to just wait until the elcs date (for practical reasons like childcare too!). I had a "scare" at 23/24 weeks when my cervix was v short so I had a cervical stitch to prevent them coming. It did the job (my cervix doubled in length and has stayed long) so I am VERY grateful for getting this far, but stilll.... I dread the thought of NICU...

- nervous about the elcs and the recovery - I had a natural birth last time (albeit with an episiotomy, so recovery wasn't a bed of roses) so have no idea really... plus there's DD.. eek! I have chosen elcs becasue (a) they're transvers and breech now; and (b) in any event, I am uncomfortable about the potentially avoidable risks of an induction gone wrong... (that is despite being induced with DD at 40+12 and it being ok - G&A only and episiotomy the only real complication)..

- nervous about life with a toddler and twins. Need I say more? Still, I keep telling myself, I know what to do with one, so worst case, I just do everything twice, right??? In a sense, I feel pretty confident about my mothering ways (basically the opposite of Gina Ford I'm afraid!), but do keep hearing everyone saying how awful it will be with twins and how I MUST get a routine. I actually loved the newborn stage with DD and found it pretty easy (bf was great for me), so I am nervous that my bubble is about to be burst...

I guess all this is normal but just wanted to vent / share! Plus share the ride with those in a similar position....

andadietcoke Wed 31-Jul-13 21:46:45

I'll join you! I'm 34+1. Finishing work on Friday and don't have anything sorted - bags aren't packed, still haven't got a steriliser/bottles etc, or the sleepyhead nests they'll sleep in instead of Moses baskets in one cotbed.
I still have no idea what kind of birth I'll be having, whether I have any choice, or when it'll be - keep getting told it will all depend on the babies' positions at 36w scan, but even though Twin 1 was cephalic at 32w it sounded like they were trying to sell me an ELCS. I'd like to have them before 38w based on the NICE guidelines and my biggest worry at the moment is that they'll say no to that. I'm also worried I'll go into labour before the scan and there will be no plan in place and I'll have no idea when to go in etc. Can you tell I like a plan?!

Linguaphile Thu 01-Aug-13 07:58:38

I'm 33+1 with DCDA girls and am also worried about the end bit. Would like to try for a natural birth if possible, but also want to have them no later than 37/38 weeks as per NICE guidelines. Ideally it would be nice to just go into labour at 37 weeks as induction seems to often end up in an EMCS. I've been a little frustrated with my consultant--she won't even talk me through birth plan options until 36 weeks... which seems odd to me with all the talk about early labour with twins!

Hospital bag is packed and everything is more or less ready, but I can't really imagine what it's going to be like having actual babies around!

andadietcoke Thu 01-Aug-13 14:37:06

linguaphile I'm so glad it's not just me! I went for a hospital tour this week and realised very acutely how little I was prepared for what was going to happen as they keep telling me they'll discuss it at 36w.
I'm open to either mode of birth, but am worried about EMCS after delivering one vaginally. If given the choice, at the moment, I'd probably go for an ELCS but for me the main thing is the 38w, especially as DH is a teacher and has been told he can't take paternity leave the first week of term which is my 39th week!!

legallyblond Fri 02-Aug-13 08:13:46

I would find that so difficult, having no plan! I guess I have been lucky. I pushed my consultant to discuss with me at 23 weeks... Initially, I think he thought I was pushing because I would be v pro having a natural birth and he was reluctant to discuss, but as soon as I started asking about risks of each and it sort of emerged that, given the possibly avoidable risks (I'm a lawyer!) I'd probably opt for an elcs, he was v open to the discussion and I've been booked in since 30 weeks... I since discovered that my consultant much prefers elcs, so I suspect things would have been different had I started making noises about wanting a natural birth.... I am still torn tbh, especially as I had DD naturally, so my body "knows how to do it"... But, a bad natural birth with an emcs would be so much worse, I think, than a good elcs.... It's so hard!

Do you have any inking as to what your consultants would favour / recommend? What positions are the babies in now? I do agree that it's a bit mad to leave it so late... I can't remember the stats but it's something like 50% of twins are born before 36 weeks!! Does the hospital do any kind of twin anti natal session? I had one that simply covered the two modes of delivery and what happens in both types if twin birth...

Another day at work today.... Two more weeks to go. Sigh. I would just so love to keep these babies in until their planned day to arrive.....

Also, I'm guessing neither of you have children already? Don't underestimate what your body is doing right now. I can tell you from experience that this is now MUCH harder than a single pregnancy!

legallyblond Fri 02-Aug-13 08:16:10

Oh, andadietcoke, I would be very surprised if they wanted you to go beyond 38 weeks. I've always been told categorically that the guidelines state that I should have them between 37 and 38 weeks. If there is any resistance to that, I would just quote the guidelines to them and demand what you want. I just cannot imagine them saying no!

andadietcoke Fri 02-Aug-13 09:14:05

Thanks legallyblond yes, first babies - whenever anyone asks me how I am I just say I have nothing to compare it to! Last day of work today - will be interested to see whether time speeds up or slows down now!

At the 32w scan Twin 1 was cephalic and Twin 2 transverse. The registrar said that in those positions 'I would have the option for a natural birth' but then went on for a bit about the risks of intervention for Twin 2. I asked whether that meant if I didn't want to pursue 'that option' she would recommend an ELCS and she just said we'll wait and see at 36w. I also asked about being induced and she said they wouldn't let me go past 39w and that the gels took a couple of days to work. I also got the impression that she thought I was desperate for all natural, non-induced and was trying to placate me!

Saying that though, am prepared for the chat about 38w, and if they say no I'm going to ask for it to be written in my notes that I've requested it and they've said no.

No twin ante natal sessions. We went on a TAMBA practical parenting seminar which was good but I'd love to meet other local people who've had twins at my local hospital to talk about their experiences - might try and get to the local multiples group in the next few weeks.

Hope your last two weeks go well, and quickly. I'm definitely ready to finish now, and DH is a teacher so he's off too which is quite nice (for me, not him - he's got an epic 'to do' list!)

Cornwall73 Fri 02-Aug-13 22:16:09

Hello, can I join you too? I'm 35+4 with DCDA twins and booked for an ELCS on the 15th Aug at 37+3 if thy don't come before. The count down is truly on for us. Feeling very heavy now (scan this week estimated each baby at 6lb!) and the heat has taken its toll.

We have done the hospital antenatal one day multiples course which was very much about my health, birth options and stay in hospital, the TAMBA breast feeding course and also the two hr seminar on pg and parenting multiples which usefully covers the first few weeks.

My real concerns are coping in the first few weeks and months. I have never met newborn twins and it has been a very long time since I have been around a newborn baby. I am terrified of reflux and colic and worried I'll panic and have a melt down.

i am really worried about our relationship too. After 15+ yrs of marriage we go from being just two of us and the dog to having two very dependant little things rocking our world!

Cheerymum Sat 03-Aug-13 10:41:24

Can I join? 30+5 with MCDA twins, and a 2 year old already.
Hoping to hang on until 1st Sept, and NICE deadline for MCDA is 37 weeks rather than 38, so they'll be out by mid September.
Hoping for a vaginal delivery as I have already had one. If they were my first, I think I'd go for ElCS, but having discussed at length with my consultant, there's no clear consensus safety wise provided the first is head down, and we are all well. With a history of normal vaginal delivery, she thinks vaginal delivery may be slightly safer for me, though obviously more unpredictable. There are risks with MCDA that don't apply in DCDA twins, and she would be very reluctant to induce me, so if I don't labour spontaneously, I'll probably go with an elective section.
I'll be very monitored if attempting a vaginal birth, and get the epidural in at the first opportunity so we can change plan at the drop of a hat if need be.

Cheerymum Sat 03-Aug-13 10:42:32

I'm also worried about coping with the first few months, and also the impact on our daughter ...

legallyblond Fri 09-Aug-13 18:39:01

Hi Cornwall and Cheery!

Cheery, did I read on another thread that your having a c section soon as a result of poor growth for one or both? Thinking if you lots... Having the babies in nicu or scbu is one of my huge worries what with having DD already and the possible impact on her if I'm in hospital lots.. No words of wisdom but thinking of you. How many weeks are you now?

Hi Cornwall! Try not to worry about your relationship.. I think the change is the same however long you've been together and however many children you have. Its great though!! Not long now!!

chutneypig Fri 09-Aug-13 18:49:54

I hope you don't mind my popping in, as its a few years since I was at that stage. I just wanted to say I had an ELCS with my twins at 37w6 and was very pleasantly surprised how my recovery went. A lot of people had been very negative about how I'd cope after - I think simply not having the enormous bump felt so much easier. The stitches were fine and I needed very little in the way of pain relief.

legallyblond Fri 09-Aug-13 18:58:11

Chutney - that's hugely helpful, thank you!

I am struggling a bit today... Feeling very full of twins (although they're squirming lots, which is nice) and my tummy muscles feel so stretched and achey... Also, I've had sore "bits" (and vulval varicose vein's) from 16 weeks, and they're agony today.

I also have a total stinker of a cold, which I think is the main reason for feeling rotten! Its the kind of cold people call flu because they feel so ill with it!

Sorry to moan! 4 weeks 3 days until c section!

Cheerymum Fri 09-Aug-13 20:06:34

Hi Legally, yes, could be having a section soon. Still watching closely and waiting at the moment ... Just depends how everything goes from here scan-wise and fetal movement-wise. The babies are discrepant sizes, probably either placental insufficiency for one or the beginning of TTT.
Put it this way, I'm keeping my hospital bag in the car just in case, and have had the steroid jabs for lung maturity for the babies in case they have to go for it. Bit stressful, to understate, but I had lots of helpful replies on the other thread from people whose babies were fine at the same gestation as mine (31+4 today, would love to hang on until September, you never know ...)

Cheerymum Fri 09-Aug-13 20:13:56

Hope you feel better soon Legally, ironically I am feeling the best I have all pregnancy!! (Not that that is saying much tbh - this has been a world apart from my previous singleton pregnancy). Glad everyone is generally doing well though. Chutney, glad to know recovery from a c section after a twin pregnancy is ok.

legallyblond Fri 09-Aug-13 21:22:42

Cheery - I imagine "stressed" is an understatement! We thought ours might come at 24 weeks because my cervix was drastically shortening, but I had a cervical stitch under GA and it worked.. Phew. I'm 32+6 now and would also LOVE to make it to Sept. This is also vv different to my singleton preg!

MrsStarwars Fri 09-Aug-13 21:33:37

Hi ladies, my MCDA twins are now 5 years old but reading this thread brings back a lot of memories, all good ones really! My ds1 was 3 when twins were born, he has always been great with them and the only person who could easily tell them apart in the early days! I had an elcs at almost 38 weeks as one was head down but one transverse. It was a lovely experience, probably nicer than the natural birth I'd had with ds1 which ended in massive episiotomy which caused months of trouble. The recovery was fine, I was up an mobile pretty quick afterwards. I was keen to breast feed as I'd fed ds1 for 12 months, luckily the twins were good feeders from the start and we kept going til about 2.5 years.

legallyblond Fri 09-Aug-13 21:41:55

Great story MrsStarwars - thank you!

I also had a significant episiotomy with DD (almost 3) so I try to rake the "recovery from a c section is so terrible" doom mongers with a pinch if salt as, although DD's birth was a v positive experience, I was in pain for weeks afterwards.

I also bf DD (until she was 2) and def plan to bf the twins... Slightly panicking though as not getting any colostrum yet, and I def had it by now with DD..

MrsStarwars Fri 09-Aug-13 21:54:21

Honestly the elcs was so much easier, it helped me to get over all the traumas of ds1's birth. Don't worry about lack of colostrum I didn't get any before the twins were born, but it was definitely there once they started feeding. On the post natal ward the midwife wanted me to express some colostrum to top them up after each feed ( I'd refused to top up with formula and they didn't think babies were getting enough) anyway, I dutifully pumped away and ended up with a massive amount in the bottle, the midwifes were happy and left me alone after that!

twinteresting Sat 10-Aug-13 15:41:08

Hello hello
Can I join? I am a long way behind you - 19+4 with DCDA twins but feel all your concerns about feeding and delivery etc.
At the moment I'm involved in "project nesting part 1" where I try and get everything in the house organised so that when we have official proper help coming in (which I will need with 4 under 5) there is a proper place for everything in the house and everything operating in a military fashion. Have got everything for DC1 ready for school already, name tapes done etc. And just labelled everything that didn't move in the playroom grin]

legallyblond I have 2 DC already and can tell you that toddler and newborn IS much easier than Toddler and being preg.
(I didn't believe when I read it before I had DC2 either)

If she is almost 3 she is old enough to fetch and carry for you and you can get her involved.
Get some DVDS/Start the sky plus box now for some special DVDS that she can watch when you're feeding and also a special box of toys that she can play with just when you're feeding.

Your 24 week story is scary - do you mind me asking how they knew your cervix was shortening???

Thinking of you all ladies.

Linguaphile Sat 10-Aug-13 21:31:16

Andadietcoke, I'm also glad I'm not the only one! Thinking I'm going to need to be a bit firmer and more assertive about questions and concerns with the consultant at this appointment coming up... I feel like every time I come in, they're trying to shuffle me out ASAP because they're too busy for an actual appointment. :/ Keep having dreams that I'm in labour and they just tell me, 'Oh, you'll be fine, it's probably nothing, don't come in'.

Last time I went in, the girls had slowed down growing a bit and were only 3.5 and 3.7 pounds, so I'm partly just wondering if they're doing okay! The receptionist scheduled my 32 week scan a week early and my 34 and 36 week appts a week late, so it's been a month since I've actually been seen. That, combined with the fact that they won't even check growth for another two weeks (so basically, no scan for 6 weeks) makes me rather anxious. Trying not to fret!

andadietcoke Sun 11-Aug-13 08:09:33

lingua I have my 'magical' 36w spot on Tuesday and I'm terrified. Throughout this pregnancy, whenever I've asked questions about the mode of delivery or timing I've been told 'we won't discuss that until 36w when we can see what position they're in'! So it feels like Tuesday will be like the light at the end of the tunnel (I like a plan) but I have the overwhelming feeling that it's not going to be! After all my hospital appts I've never seen the same doctor twice - they've varied from foundation doctors who told me they'd let me go to 40w confused through locums who didn't seem to know the hospital's twin policies, to the ST7 I saw last time who was very vague but implied she thought an ELCS was the way to go (but obviously 'we'll wait and see at 36w' wink). I have a named consultant but I honestly couldn't tell you if they were male or female let alone what they look like!

Most worried about the 38w guideline, and if Twin 2 is still transverse I think I'd prefer an ELCS. Thing is though, I go in all assertive and come out wondering where it all went wrong!!

Cheerymum Sun 11-Aug-13 09:00:54

Andadietcoke that's terrible care. Mine are MCDA so higher risk but for DCDA (that's what yours are I think?) they should scan and see you 4 weekly. My hospital has a dedicated twins clinic which is always consultant-run. We discussed mode of delivery from early on, with the proviso that various criteria needed meeting if I was going to be safe to attempt a vaginal delivery. Given that 1/3 of twins end up bring born before 34 weeks, I think 36 weeks is too late for your first discussion with someone who can counsel you fully about it.
The bottom line for evidence is that if the first twin is head down and everything else is fine, the risks between vaginal delivery and ELCS are equivocal, so you do have a real choice here. Can send you more detail if you like. Small chance if them having to turn the second twin (which requires pain relief) and 5% chance of second twin needing emergency section after vaginal delivery of the first. My plan was vaginal delivery with an early epidural to avoid delays or emergency GA if things went down the wrong path.
However, at the mo, my twins don't look to be doing 100% well so it will be a section for me unless they start to thrive again and I get closer to term. HTH,

andadietcoke Sun 11-Aug-13 12:23:45

Thanks cheery that's really helpful. Yes, they're DCDA. I've had scans at 12, 20, 28 and 32 so far. At the last scan twin 1 was head down but twin 2 transverse so she said that 'I had the option' for a natural birth but there was a high risk of intervention for the second. Will see what they say on Tuesday I guess!

Fingers crossed for your babies. I know how long the gap between scans feels. Mine have always grown at different times/rates though - are they sure there's definitely a problem with the placenta or potential TTTS? My mum keeps telling me that if they were worried about me I'd never be out of the hospital - hopefully the same applies here! When's your next scan?

andadietcoke Sun 11-Aug-13 12:25:28

Sorry cheery, got you mixed up with lingua - flipping hate posting from my phone when I can't scroll down to read PPs!

twinteresting Sun 11-Aug-13 17:06:35

I'm due another scan at 24 weeks
Have met with registrar and consultants each time (3 appts at hosp so far)
though Community midwife was very hmm when she saw Epidural = mandatory in my notes.
Again theyre not really looking to discuss method of delivery at this point.
Thinking of you all.

andadietcoke Sun 11-Aug-13 17:17:14

twinteresting funny - the epidural chat is the only one I've had, with about four different HCPs including the registrar and the anaesthetist. I haven't seen my midwife since 16w when she discharged me to hospital mw care.

legallyblond Sun 11-Aug-13 17:34:38

Twinteresting - welcome!

Answering you question.... The short cervix was picked up at my routine 24 week scan (actually at 23 weeks). My consultant, who (by chance I suspect) scanned me himself, is a twins specialist and asked if I would like a cervical length scan (basically a dildo camera!). I said yes and good thing too, as my cervix was 21mm and that's v short for twins. So he booked me in for a stitch on Monday (the scan was on a Fri) and it had shortened to 19/20mm by then. It was tough as the op to do the stitch, which would hopefully stop them coming, could itself trigger early labour.... But all fine!

Andadietcoke... I think in large part because of the cervical stitch, I was seen every 2 weeks by the consultant himself, so lots of opportunities to discuss delivery etc. Now I'm out of the danger zone though, I am back to every 4 weeks, and a diff doctor each time... Always a consultant though. There are only 5 obs consultants at my hospital and I have seen 4 of them now!

Really good luck for Tues.

And Cheery, keep us posted about how your two are doing and what the csection plan is.

Linguaphile Sun 11-Aug-13 18:01:30

Wow Cheery, sounds like you've been getting great care! What hospital are you at? I wish they took me that seriously. Adadietcoke, good luck with your scan on Tuesday! Fingers crossed twin 2 has flipped the right way 'round. After talking with the anaesthetist, I almost wonder if ELCS might be the easiest, safest way for me too, just because it sounds like risks to twin 2 are quite high...

Is there a way to absolutely ensure the NICE guidelines are followed with birth timings? My fear is that I'll get to 36 weeks, go to book an induction /ELCS appt, and then some grumpy receptionist will give me a withering glare when I make the request--how dare I ask for an appointment for just two weeks away when the doctors are obviously busy!--and say they don't have any time to induce me until I'm like 47 weeks.

On a side note, does everyone have names picked out? I'm starting to stress on this as well, sadly. We're still really struggling with a middle name for one of the girls (Philippa is the first, but deciding between family names Winter, Whitt, Eleanor, and Helaine), and with the other we're still going back and forth on spellings (Vivian vs. Vivienne). Opinions welcome. smile

Cheerymum Sun 11-Aug-13 18:12:18

It's ok anda, glad the info was helpful. No definite TTT at the mo, it may all just sort itself out (here's hoping)!

andadietcoke Sun 11-Aug-13 18:51:15

lingua no, not really - it's up to the hospital/department whether they want to follow them as they're 'just' guidelines. If they say no, I'm going to insist it's written in my notes that I've requested to have them by 38w in line with the NICE guidelines, and their reasons for refusing.

I know what you mean about there not being enough slots! 38w for me is the 27th August which is the day after the bank holiday. We have an added complication in that DH is a teacher and has been told he can't take paternity leave the w/c 2nd September. 39w for me is 3rd September but we can't imagine they won't let him take time off for the actual birth. As a result, August would be MUCH better for us, but I'm well aware that will mean bugger all!

andadietcoke Sun 11-Aug-13 18:53:22

Oh, and for names lingua I much prefer Vivienne, but she will have to spell it in full. I think we're going for Sophie and Charlotte but not 100% - even braved the baby names thread today!!

Cornwall73 Sun 11-Aug-13 21:06:52

Goodness, twin pg care differs so much between hospitals! As ours is an IVF pg I had had private scans at 7 and 9 wks so knew it was twins at the NHS booking appt. Our hospital has a level 3 NICU and therefore very geared up for multiples. Thy run a twin clinic every Wednesday with specialist sonographers, midwives and doctors. I was given a written 'pathway' for DCDA twins so could see that as from 20 wks I would be scanned every 4 wks and see a midwife afterwards to discuss results. If there was anything untoward then I would also be able to see a doctor on the same day. The midwives are good but a little 'flighty' and I have been lucky that I have had a very textbook pg to date. I booked all my appts in advance all the way to 34 wks and just had two standard appts with the consultant to discuss birth options. They were supportive of my choice for a c-sec because of anxiety issues. I am booked in for it on Thursday so getting a bit nervous now!

All I can say is that you do your research and state your views and preferences. If you are unhappy in any way express your concerns to the head of the Maternity unit and have everything recorded in your notes. Involve PALS if you have to!

beachesandbuckets Sun 11-Aug-13 21:15:20

Hello Legally,
Here is my tuppence worth having had exactly the same concerns as you and having 'come out the other end' - my twins are now 10 days old. Limited time before they wake up for their sleep feed so apologises if this is short and sweet.
Firstly, so many doom and gloom stories I was told before my babies came along, and my story was that everything ended up being totally straightforward and lovely. So it is possible. I was anxious every day of my pregnancy due to mmc last year and all the twin horror stories but none of my worries became reality.
I was worried about being premature, and was induced at 37+3 days.
I wanted to have a c section, and begged consultant for one. My view was that it was lower risk, more controlled environment etc. I am a lawyer too am slightly anally retentive! My consultant refused, and so glad he did. My inducement worked straight away, twin one was head down, twin two transverse, and had epidural, labour lasted 2hrs, no pain, no stitches, discharged from hospital the following day, managed to walk to the park with all dcs the following day. Transverse baby just moved around and came out head first as soon as twin 1 out and 8 mins later.
If I had had a c section I wld have been in hospital a lot longer and cld not have done things with elder dcs now, problems would have been dealing with dd (2years 11mths) when on potty, picking up babies for feeds etc. If there are no medical reasons against, I would definitely recommended induction (though wouldn't have listened to this advice myself 2 wks ago!).
my consultant wanted me to go to 38wks but put my foot down as worried about stillbirth and demanded 37 weeks (as both babies on 99 centile) and he agreed.
Breastfeeding. I was planning to feed them separately at the start to get latch established (as per advice I had read) but during first night when I hospital I tried them both at same time on twin feeding cushion, and both latched on straight away! Sometimes it works, sometimes one of them falls off the nipple, and have to do one after the other, but so far so good, and not had to top up with formula. I b/fed elder two dcs for a year each. I feed at 10pm, 1pm and 3pm, and still manage to get 6hrs sleep a night. Again can't complain!
Must go now, but will try to post again if I have missed anything

beachesandbuckets Sun 11-Aug-13 21:25:36

Other things I missed.
My boobs were still quite small and no leakage right up to induction, unlike with first two pregnancies, no problem now, milk spraying out!
Names - we didn't have any til 2 days after babies born! Quite embarrassing!
My consultant, at my 36wk appointment, simply rang the labour ward and booked me in for induction the following week. I was getting twitchy that it hadn't been in their diary for months!
I had 2 weekly scans and appointments with same consultant from 30wks, and uncomplicated pregnancy.

Cornwall73 Sun 11-Aug-13 22:13:20

Beachandbuckets, many congratulations, good to hear everything is going so well.

Lingua I prefer Vivienne too. We have had our first names for months (years actually following several losses), we have had a bit of a wobble over one of them but after debating the alternatives we decided we liked the original choice. Second and third names are family names and the real discussion has been around the order.

Cheerymum Sun 11-Aug-13 22:55:41

The reason for the close monitoring for me is that I have MCDA twins rather than DCDA, so there is another whole tranche of risks that relate to the shared placenta rather than it being twins per se.
We are also struggling with names - we only have 1 so far!!

Toddlertwinsmum1 Sun 11-Aug-13 22:57:01

Hi ladies, another twin mum here. Mine are almost 1 now and I have a 3 year old too. Just wanted to say ignore all the people who say 'how will you cope?' Because you'll be fine. I was induced at 38 weeks and had a natural delivery. Twin 1 was head down and twin 2 breech, both good sizes for twins and we were also allowed home the following day. My recovery was also easier than with my first. I am not a routine person at all, so fed on demand and am still feeding now, in the early days I fed them both and the same time if possible - although not in public as its not a great look! ( they both cluster fed in the evenings, so would recommend getting a good twin feeding pillow). Once they stopped feeding so frequently I just fed totally on demand, so usually one at a time.

legallyblond life with twins and a toddler is chaos, but lovely. My 3 year old really loves his brother and sister and they are at the stage now when they like to play with each other, which makes life a lot easier. I had to accept that cbeebies was on more than it was before the twins arrive but I the early days you need to be easy on yourself and do whatever works for you. It still makes me laugh that when you tell people you are pregnant they offer nothing but congratulations, but when you tell them you are pregnant with twins, everyone seems to have a negative comment about how you'll cope.

Congratulations all of you on your extra special pregnancies, just be prepared to be told how you have your hands full about 100 times a day!

Cheerymum Sun 11-Aug-13 22:57:23

Also congrats Beaches, and best of luck for Thursday, Cornwall.

beachesandbuckets Mon 12-Aug-13 01:18:52

Night feed time! Another great thing about having newborn twins, we are treated like celebrities when we have been out. People flock around us, always delighted to see baby twins. Plus elder kids get loads of attention plus many many treats from visitors.
Will have more cbeebies on I am sure, but dcs so far seem delighted with their new babies and have helped bathe them, collected items for me when I am feeding etc.
Forgot to say, in my hospital the policy is for twins to be routinely born in a theatre room adjacent to labour suite (you are transferred their during labour) just in case any intervention is required, plus there are 10 staff required to be in room for twin delivery (2 midwives, 1 doc, one consultant, 1 anethesis per baby). Luckily mine came so quickly that had them in normal labour room with dh and two (very lovely) midwives.
Th lack of information up to my labour was very frustrating. I had to ask ask ask, and am sure my consultant thought I was a pain in the ass. For me, it was huge and life changing experience, for him, I guess just the day job. Most information I got was through my own research, talking to friends with twins, and then i actually rang the labour ward a couple of days before I was induced and asked them to talk me throughout what wld happen, which they did. I thought my consultant wld 'see me through the experience', but he simply popped up to give me some indigestion tablets which I had asked for during my early labour, and again popped in for less than 1 min when I was in room after labour to 'wish me the best of luck' and didn't even so much look at the babies or ask me anything about the labour (he wasn't there).

Cornwall73 Mon 12-Aug-13 05:21:17

Awake since 3am as per usual. Even when I don't have an afternoon nap it always happens! Annoyingly I have caught a cold despite having a ridiculously healthy pg to date and us

Cornwall73 Mon 12-Aug-13 05:33:00

Using public transport etc. dosing myself with paracetamol and fluids but worried that I'll give life to the babies followed by a cold! I just hope I can shift it.

Hmmm I don't know how well I could handle attention when the twins arrive. I am not a chatty person with strangers and just do my own thing and plough forward. I have barely had any comments on my pg, just if twins run in the family which they do but I don't go into any further details. Mind you I have walked the empty buggy round the park so the dog could get used to it and no-one batted an eyelid!

Our hospital has a one day twin antenatal class that was just about birth options and what to expect in the first few days so we got all our info from there.

Cheerymum Mon 12-Aug-13 06:51:16

Poor you, Cornwall, I had a horrible cold during this pregnancy and I know how miserable it is. Even if it hasn't gone completely by the time the babies arrive, your antibodies will protect them so try not to worry too much.
You sound v organised trying out the buggy with your dog!!

HappyAsASandboy Mon 12-Aug-13 07:07:11

Hi,

I just wanted to post some reassurance smile

My Teins are now nearly 3 years old. I made it to my planned section at 38+1, working long days with a two hour each way commute by car/train/tube/bus until 36 weeks! Some of those twins are just happy to stay in there, so don't believe everything you read or are told.

I breastfed both of mine, despite not feeding them until about 13 hours after the birth (because I didn't realise I should, and nobody told me to, not because of any medical problem hmm ). I fed them until they self weaned recently, at 2 yrs 6 mo and 2 yrs 9 mo. I never got the hang of feeding them together, so fed one then the other in a relentless cycle for the first two months, after which each feed got much quicker and it stopped being my life.

My only advice really is to accept all help, and line some up if you can. If you can make your children your only responsibility by delegating cooking/cleaning/washing/shopping to your partner/relative/paid help then life will be much easier. Also, relax your standards - ready meals can be very useful once the freezer stock has run out, and an hour of peppa pig on loop for your 3 year old wont hurt when you really need some time.

Someone has already mentioned the celebrity factor of twins. If you need to hear some praise and encouragement, head to Tesco! You'll be asked kind questions and told you're doing a marvellous job smile Then head to your local twins club (your local children's centre probably run one) to feel normal again!

Good luck to all of you - I am so envious that you're about to meet your babies for the first time smile

HappyAsASandboy Mon 12-Aug-13 08:17:49

I have come back to add a bit about routine, or rather, lack of routine.

When I was pregnant, I thought if be quite routine focused. I bought the Gina book for twins and I thought about how my days would be. I work in an organised, pressured place, and I thought that following a routine would be easiest.

Once my babies were here, routine never featured! I was astounded by the physical 'need' I had to respond to my babies and how easily I could see their every cue. I think we're basically mammals, and not that different to any other mammal species. So I listened to them and responded, and they set the pattern of the day.

For the first two months, it really was a relentless round of feeding, changing, settling, pick up the other baby, feeding changing, settling, pick up the other baby ..... but after about 10 weeks, patterns were apparent and I could anticipate things a bit more. By 4 months I could form a fairly reliable plan for the day and know when they would nee feeding (and feeding was 10 mins each rather than an hour each by then!).

People often say that I must be very organised. I don't think I am - I am just very anticipatory! Before we leave the house, I've thought through lots of things that might happen and slung anything I'll need to cope in my bag/buggy. Thn whatever happens I have everything I need. I then look like I knew it would happen, hence the orgainsed image, when actually I am just prepared for any of the 20 things that might happen! This is a great skill to master with two babies, because it isn't as easy to improvise with two babies - if you're in a cafe, you can't put the baby on your hip and go to ask for hot water. You just can't carry two babies and go for the water, so you'd have to load them in the buggy, or wait for someone to pass the table, or leave your babies and go by yourself. So it's easier to just have everything you need with you smile It's a skill that comes quickly!

I hope everything goes well for you, that you make it to your scheduled CS date and are able to go either flow and enjoy the early days with your babies smile

Linguaphile Mon 12-Aug-13 09:36:40

Sorry about the cold, Cornwall! sad I'm often awake in the wee SMAs too--usually because my back hurts. It's so annoying when people say, 'Rest up, you're going to need it!' because I can't. I feel like my body is almost training me for the sleepless nights ahead... On a happier note, your c-section is coming up sooooo soon!! Yay for having the babies out and in your arms! So jealous--can't wait to meet ours.

Wow Happy, I'm impressed that you breastfed up until 2.5 years! V encouraging tale of large nappy bag and less routine as well. All good to hear.

andadietcoke Mon 12-Aug-13 13:38:28

Loving the advice from experienced twin mums - thank you for taking the time to share.

I'm now in full-blown pre-scan doom. Have just re-read the NICE guidelines on timing of birth which has just got me even more worked up about what I'll do if they say no to between 37 and 38 weeks because the evidence is so compelling. Argh.

Linguaphile Mon 12-Aug-13 16:05:44

Hey Anda, just went in for my 34 week appt (even though I'm nearly 35 weeks) and they booked me in for my induction, so maybe they'll do yours as well! Our date is 3 weeks from today on Spetember 2nd, when I'll be 37+5, and I'm so pleased we were able to scrape in with September birthdays! Twin 1 is head down and twin 2 is transverse at the moment, but if my final scan next Friday shows anything worrying, they'll just change it to a c-section instead of induction.

Don't worry too much--when I expressed my concerns today, the consultant said they're pretty serious about wanting to get them out before 38 weeks and said that they definitely prefer planned births as it means they're prepared to offer the best possible care. All very comforting!

andadietcoke Mon 12-Aug-13 16:10:12

Linguaphile that's great - good to have a date to look forward to (or work towards!). Wonder what happens when one twin is born in August and one twin is born in September!

I'm anxious because last time I asked I was just told they wouldn't let me go past 39w. Earlier than that has never been mentioned! Hopefully I'm just getting worked up about nothing and I'll have no problems requesting a birth between 37 and 38 weeks. Hate confrontation though...

Linguaphile Mon 12-Aug-13 16:11:46

Oh, forgot to say that when they booked me in, I went into the midwife's office (not to the receptionist) and she not only booked me in but also talked through how it would work, what to expect, etc. Was comforting to have her doing it as she listened to what I wanted regarding timings and such and booked me straight in. She also booked me on for a membrane sweep a few days beforehand to help get my cervix ripen up, which should hopefully lower the chances of needing loads of drugs to get things started.

Linguaphile Mon 12-Aug-13 16:16:34

Yeah, confrontation is horrible...Maybe if you brought in the recent study from the RCOG (there's one that talks about best outcomes with planned births at 37 weeks), that might be helpful?

andadietcoke Mon 12-Aug-13 17:02:20

Thanks - have stored it on my phone so I can refer to it, and have also asked some medic friends for advice on how much they have to follow NICE guidelines and/or Royal College guidelines.

legallyblond Mon 12-Aug-13 17:22:00

Cornwall - I have an absolute stinker of a cold too. I feel totally rotten... Good luck for Thurs.. Keep us posted!

Beaches - thank you so much. So positive! Up till now I have been v pro elcs, but am starting to doubt myself (DD was a normal delivery, albeit induced at 42 weeks and I had an episiotomy)... Last scan they were transverse and breech, so we'll see at 34 week scan on Fri.

Toddler - also huge thanks for the positivity! I get so angry when I say its twins (and that I have a DD) and people are literally (well practically) grimacing saying "oh poor you". F**K OFF! I'm thrilled, nervous and longing every day that they will both be alright and safe and healthy... How dare you!!!

Lingua - so glad some of your worries have been resolved. And Anda - please try not to worry about confrontation in this situation. They won't take it remotely personally and it really is something you have a right to fight for. Remind me, when is the appointment? My next one is Fri...

So, so glad I started this thread!

andadietcoke Mon 12-Aug-13 17:29:07

legallyblond yes - very glad you started it too! Hope your last few days at work go quickly!

Appt is tomorrow. Scan first, then midwife, then doctor. Not looking forward to it at all.

legallyblond Mon 12-Aug-13 18:03:39

Good luck anda, can your DP come along and help you fight your corner?

Meant to say thank you to Happyasasandboy too! I was like that with DD too - fairly boy scout ish... Thanks for the routine stuff too. Lots of people have said "oh you'll have to have a strict routine... But that so wasn't my style with DD and I loved it! Just reading her cues... I sm aware I'll have other demands, in particular the morning school run.. But I can work round that!

andadietcoke Mon 12-Aug-13 18:16:56

He is coming. He's not the most assertive person though! He's very (very) laid back and will assume that whatever they suggest will be 'right'. He knows I'm worried but I've been anxious throughout the pg after a mc in November and have largely tried to keep it to myself because he doesn't understand.

andadietcoke Tue 13-Aug-13 14:18:59

So, I came, I stood up for myself, and it still all went a bit wrong. Amazingly I have now finished all my antenatal appts and still haven't seen a consultant!

Twin 1 is now breech and Twin 2 is oblique so no discussion about method of birth - straight to an ELCS. I asked for no later than 38+0 which they agreed to, and then when they went to book it the earliest I could have was 38+2 because of the bank holiday at 37+6 and they only do them mon to fri if elective - they said 37+3 was too early. I know when I conceived and I will actually be 37+6 on my c-section date so have decided I can live with that. They've also said I don't need steroids, despite being told previously they would give them to me.

But....I have a plan, and a date to work towards, which is definitely progress! Just need to work out if the lower back pain I've had for the last 24 hours is as a result of having 14lb of baby in me or is early labour!

legallyblond Tue 13-Aug-13 14:45:31

Andadietcoke - I think that's good news!!

Does the date fit in ok with you re DP and school etc?

I'm a bit hmm that they think that 37+3 is too early... That's when my hospital have picked for D day (and I also know exactly when I conceived.... Lovely accident, and only opportunity!!!.. And I'll only be 37 weeks exactly). Hmm.

Also, I would have been v surprised if they had given steroids then. 37 weeks is term after all!

But well done you!!!!

twinteresting Tue 13-Aug-13 14:55:35

Well done andadietcoke

Not sure I know what oblique means(!)
SO much to learn
Trying to get organised but somehow it's 3 oclock and i have not achieved v much at all today.

andadietcoke Tue 13-Aug-13 15:03:54

legally remember this is the hospital that would have let me go to 39w though! They said they'd give steroids because it wouldn't do any harm. Just another example of contradictory advice within the same dept! It's not too early at all - the NICE guidelines say anything after 37w is fine.

twinteresting oblique is diagonal. She was transverse last time so somewhere in between transverse and cephalic I guess!

andadietcoke Tue 13-Aug-13 15:05:54

Oh and legally nope, the date is about as bad as it could get. They said they'll keep me in for 3 days which means I'll probably get discharged on 1st September. DH back to school on the 2nd and can't take any time off that week.

My consultant who was lovely and listened to my concerns scheduled my ELCS for 38+1 despite me asking for 37 weeks. He said that 38 weeks would ensure they are big and healthy babies who wouldn't need any special care. I agreed as I trusted him (I saw the same consultant from weeks 10-34 as was originally consultant led because of gall stones).

Didn't make 38 weeks though!

andadietcoke Tue 13-Aug-13 15:55:48

neversleep thanks for that - am also hoping I don't make it that far so I can have some time with DH at home before school starts again. I do trust them, but am a bit worried about how much bigger Twin 2 might get - 8lb2 today!

legallyblond Tue 13-Aug-13 16:00:12

8lb 2!!!!?? How many weeks are you now? That seems huge! DD, a singleton, was 8lb 4 at 40+14, so 42 weeks! I wonder if that's right... Sizing scans are notorious for being off. If it is though, I am sure you will "pop" sooner than planned. Your body isn't insane!

legallyblond Tue 13-Aug-13 16:02:25

Part of the reason, maybe, for my slightly earlier elcs is that ideally they don't want me going into labour because I have a cervical stitch in....

twinteresting Tue 13-Aug-13 16:10:55

oh anda - what anightmare about timings

Is there anyone else who can come and help out on your return?

andadietcoke Tue 13-Aug-13 16:11:51

legally yes, that would make sense.

I'm 36+0 and really hoping the weight estimates are off. She found it really hard to scan Twin 1 as she was so curled up.

Twin 1 is 2471g and Twin 2 is 3748g which is quite a difference. She was 2224g at 32 weeks and is currently above the 95th centile for AC and HC. Has to be wrong, surely?!

Cornwall73 Tue 13-Aug-13 18:18:00

anda, well done for getting a date but nigthmare about the timing! if they are estimating big hopefully they may come early. 37 wks is considered term so you'll be fine about the steroids. Our hospital delivers by 38wks and gives the injections as standard at 36 wks as it is a busy high level NICU so in their interest to make sure all multiples that make it to their induction/c sec date need as little help as possible and can go home as soon as they are feeding well and mum is okay.

Wow that is a big estimate!

Sonographer was spot on with both mine, was scanned at 34+4, she estimated 6lb1 & 5lb7, had them at 34+5 and those were the exact weights!

Cornwall73 Tue 13-Aug-13 19:57:57

At 35+2 mine were estimated as 6lb 3oz and 6lb 4oz. I asked the consultant and apparently there is normally a 10% margin of error for singletons which increases to 15% with multiples as it is hard to measure them when the scan images are so cramped. I think I'm going to guess them to be around that mark when they arrive on Thursday at 37+3.

It can be such an inexact science!

chutneypig Wed 14-Aug-13 06:27:01

On the subject of weights....

They estimated my two at around 8 lb at 37w3 which is why they scheduled a section at 37w6, as they felt it was getting too much for me physically. DS was nearest the business end and was showing no signs of shifting the day of the section. He weighed in at 9 lb2 and DD at 5lb10. Bit off in both directions!

Linguaphile Wed 14-Aug-13 09:46:06

Anda--ah man, sorry about the timings. sad Glad you've at least got something to work toward, though, and that is one big baby you've got! Maybe you can just pack your bag for a c-section delivery and pray things get going on their own a little earlier? Mine were measuring about 3.5 and 3.7 lbs at 32 weeks, so I'm hoping they're a little more robust when I go for my 36-wk appointment.

Chutney--WOW that is a massive baby!

Cheerymum Wed 14-Aug-13 17:37:01

Anda, sorry to hear about the crappy timing - do you have any one else who could help you in your first few days at home? There is some error in the weights, as others have said. Chutney - my goodness, what a whopper!!
I had good news today - they were worried last week about early twin twin transfusion, but dopplers today were ok so we can hang on for another growth scan in a week's time and reassess, provided they continue good wriggly scrapping in the meantime. By then I'll be 33 weeks, just taking it a week at a time and hoping to get to September.

legallyblond Wed 14-Aug-13 18:35:02

Cheery - brilliant news!!!

Cornwall73 Wed 14-Aug-13 20:13:28

Yeah! Well done babies!!!

andadietcoke Wed 14-Aug-13 22:48:39

Great news cheery - must be a relief!

Cornwall massive good luck thoughts for tomorrow. Hope it all goes perfectly and this time tomorrow you have two wriggly snuggly babies to cuddle. You're duty bound to come and report back you know?! Good luck!!

Cheerymum Thu 15-Aug-13 01:33:57

Thanks all for the good wishes. Cornwall, am thinking of you, very best of luck for today. Let us know how you get on once you feel up to it. So exciting!

legallyblond Thu 15-Aug-13 09:15:13

Thinking of you today Cornwall!! Please update when you can!

legallyblond Fri 16-Aug-13 09:40:47

I have my 34 week scan and consultant appointment today at 11. As usual, irrationally worried.... Hope you are cuddling two lovely babies Cornwall!

Cheerymum Fri 16-Aug-13 10:21:15

Good luck Legally, hope all well. You're on the home straight now! Let us know how it went.

andadietcoke Fri 16-Aug-13 10:35:48

Good luck legally. I get pre scan doom every time too.

I'm currently on the ante natal day unit as had increased urates in my blood on Tuesday and repeat bloods today show they've gone up more. Had my blood pressure done more times than I can remember, and keep being asked 'if I feel okay' which makes me think perhaps I shouldn't! Waiting for the doctor now.

Cheerymum Fri 16-Aug-13 10:41:58

Good luck Anda - hopefully they'll let you home but if your babies have decided to be born sooner rather than later, you're far enough on that you will all be fine, I'm sure you know that but I know it helps me to hear it!

Cheerymum Fri 16-Aug-13 10:42:32

Let us know how you get on anda, if you can

legallyblond Fri 16-Aug-13 10:56:14

Hope you and the twins are ok anda... They'd be fine if they decided to appear now! How is your Bp? If that is not up, perhaps its a UTI?

Linguaphile Fri 16-Aug-13 11:54:51

Hope it goes well, Legally!

Cornwall, hope you are enjoying those two lovely little bundles of joy--would love to hear how you're doing and how the section went when you get a chance!

Anda, sorry to hear you're at the hospital! Hope all's well and it's just a scare, but even if not, you're at a good place a few days from term and (bonus!) at least you wouldn't have to wait until 38+2! Fingers crossed for a good outcome.

Cheery, babies still doing okay and wiggling around as they should be?

Cheerymum Fri 16-Aug-13 12:19:31

Excellent wiiggling, thanks Lingua! Hopefully we'll make it to the next growth scan on Wednesday without incident.

Cheerymum Fri 16-Aug-13 12:19:56

Or wiggling even! Damn iPhone!

andadietcoke Fri 16-Aug-13 12:47:58

I've been sent away with BP medication and have to come back
on Sunday and repeat the whole shenanigans.

Just in case this happens to anyone else, the urates in your blood that they were worried about because they were raised on Tuesday and had gone up even more today go up anyway in late pregnancy and go up even more in twin pregnancies. As I have no protein in my urine they're just treating it as high BP and will see what's happened to it on Sunday.

Cheerymum Fri 16-Aug-13 14:40:28

Glad all ok for now, boring that you have to spend half of Sunday there too and the worry of it, hopefully Sunday will be fine too - keep us posted, won't you?

legallyblond Fri 16-Aug-13 22:43:41

Anda - glad all is ok for now.

All was fine at the scan (I'm 33+6). Twin 1 is about 5lb5 and twin 2 about 4lb9. Twin 2's head is small, but they don't seem that worried. I am a bit now, of course! Both babies are breech so c section is only option.

I have another scan at 35+6 then its the c section! I found out more about that today - I will be having steroids on the two preceding days because they're arriving by c section before 39 weeks. Apparently that's to make up for both the squeezing of the lungs and the stress which matures the lungs in a natural birth. So there we go! And I'll have antibiotics in theatre and then a drip to help contract the uterus in recovery. And antacids and energy drinks at set times the day before and on the morning. Bad bit is that my hospital doesn't have a separate emergency theatre, so I'm second on the list but will be "bumped" for emcs if they come up. Really hope that doesn't happen as I would be worrying about childcare....

andadietcoke Sat 17-Aug-13 00:39:40

legallyb glad everything is okay. I'm sure if they were worried about the head circumference you'd know about it! Steroids can only be a good thing, and it sounds like they're really sorted with the antacids and energy drink schedule!

Think it's fairly normal not to have separate lists. I think my hospital has two planned sections per day - I have no idea whether I'm first or second!

So glad everything's okay - just two weeks and then the countdown begins grin

Cheerymum Sat 17-Aug-13 02:44:43

Legally that all sounds good. On the last bit of the countdown!
My next scan is on Weds at 33+2. Was hoping for a vaginal delivery but in the light of the growth issues we've had, that's probably going have to change to be a planned section more or less on the dot of 36 w instead (because MCDA) - if we can safely hang on until then. We haven't discussed the logistics of that yet though.

Cornwall73 Sat 17-Aug-13 09:15:03

Dear all
We are happy to announce the safe arrival of Alexander and Claudia on the 15 August at 1:30pm. Both weighed 3kg/6lb 7oz.

C section went well but recovery is a bit painful, I am taking my meds! Suffering from terrible trapped wind so DH is bringing in my peppermint tea. At night it can be agony.

Babies are strong and adorable. Had very successful tandem breast feed in recovery after skin to skin in theatre. However, subsequent attempts have been a bit of a disaster as their latch is excellent but incredibly strong and esp A is a real chomper. I haven't got much colostrum so they have a good chomp on the breast instead which is agony for me. I used to think that I had a high pain threshold until I attempted breast feeding. We have now moved on to bottle feeding as their blood sugars plummeted and they had jaundice. Will attempt breast feeding again when my milk comes in, hopefully they will be gentler on me if there is more to offer then. In the meantime we are trying to do several hrs of skin to skin each.

Ladies you are in for such a treat, it is blooming hard work, especially at night when you are dog tired, but cometh the morn and you have these pretty little faces looking at you and all is right with the world.

Hope you are all doing well.

G x

andadietcoke Sat 17-Aug-13 09:22:51

Ahh, Cornwall congratulations! Lovely names and really good weights. Thank you so much for sharing about feeding - very good to know - had forgotten that colostrum/milk didn't always come in straight away.

I shall also try and remember your advice on looking forward to the morning grin

So delighted for you - congratulations again to you and your partner thanks

Cheerymum Sat 17-Aug-13 09:24:47

Huge congratulations, amazing news! Lovely names too. Well done for persevering with the breastfeeding, I'm sure they'll let up on the chomping at some point! Make sure you get expert help with it (not all midwives are experts on it). And do take the painkillers you need to be comfortable.
You've made me all excited, can't wait xxx

Cheerymum Sat 17-Aug-13 09:28:08

BTW I know lots of mums who've used bottle feeding as an interim measure through difficult early times and got bf established successfully when things calm down. And if the babies have other ideas, don't beat yourself up - sounds like you are doing an amazing job as a twin momma!!

littleomar Sat 17-Aug-13 20:01:59

been lurking (only 26+1 here) but wanted to say congratulations to cornwall!

legallyblond Sat 17-Aug-13 23:41:01

Congratulations Cornwall!!! So happy for you, and beautiful names... Oh and fab weights! Just keep going with the bf and don't worry too much. DD had two sippy cups of formula on her first day in the world in hospital because I just didn't seem to have any colostrum.. But it came and then she was away! I just breast fed her for 6 months (and them carried on till she was 2), so the formula did no harm at all. Just do what you can and what seems best, even if that ends up being formula, or a mix or whatever... But the skin to skin is def the way to get your milk in.... And enjoy them!!!!

Welcome littleomar - we're all at different stages, so don't worry about that! Really hope we can keep the thread going to birth for all of us and beyond!!!

legallyblond Sat 17-Aug-13 23:46:46

Oh and Anda, hope the Bp monitoring is ok tomorrow. Hopefully the drugs will do the trick, but if they need to come out now, I know you know they'd be fine! You're what now, 36+4 or so now? Fine!

andadietcoke Sun 18-Aug-13 08:20:26

Thanks legallyb actually ended up back in there yesterday - at 1.30 a midwife turned up on our doorstep to do my BP, urine and listen to the babies. BP was higher and urine had protein in so I was shipped off to the ante natal day unit. Repeated all the tests again - all the same except no protein. So they sent me home last night warning me to ring today if I feel 'unwell' (I'm 36w pregnant with twins - I feel unwell every day!!) and I have to go back tomorrow morning.

I absolutely know they'd be fine, I'm just worrying myself stupid that we're all missing something and they won't get them out in time, which is daft because I also know that being monitored every 48 hours should prevent that. They just seem so worried about me!!

Cheerymum Sun 18-Aug-13 08:28:10

Anda, glad still all ok, I totally understand the paranoia. I have been told to keep careful awareness of the movements, and if they stop scrapping for just a few minutes I feel so anxious! Can't wait till we all have them safely in our arms x

Linguaphile Sun 18-Aug-13 09:40:32

Cornwall--aaaaa, so exciting they're here! Love the names, by the way. smile Really encouraging to hear about your breastfeeding experience too (well, maybe not the chomping part, but great that they're good latchers). Keep up the good work!

Anda--so sorry about all the fuss and bustle - that must be frightening! Good they're monitoring the babies so much, though. Is it pre-e they're worried about with the bp and urine? Not long and you'll have two gorgeous, healthy babies to love!

I'm sooooo ready for these babies to come out. The consultant thinks Twin B may have cracked one of my ribs, and I'm also getting the most awful stabbing/burning pain at the top of my belly that they say is ripping muscles. sad I feel like I'm carrying around a litter of puppies! Cannot wait until they're here.

legallyblond Sun 18-Aug-13 20:12:10

Hey anda, sorry you were whisked in again yesterday. I assume its pre eclampsia they're monitoring for, in which case I'm sure 48 hour monitoring is enough. Have they filled you in on all the signs of it worsening / an eclamptic attack? Weird vision, headaches, swelling, feeling "out of it" etc. When I had my cervical stitch, the woman next to me on "ante natal" (v surreal - post op for me at 24 weeks) was 33 weeks and worsening fast (her bloods were showing the biochemical changes of full on PE), but even there, in hospital, the consultant said they would make the decision to get the baby out or not on a 24 hourly basis (I could hear everything!)... So given its not even PE for sure and, if it is, its early stages, 48 hours will be fine! If they had any real worries, you def wouldn't be allowed home. I don't think you'll make it to planned c section date though.... grin...

legallyblond Sun 18-Aug-13 20:13:58

Oh and lingua - cracked a rib!! Poor you, must be agony. So nearly there though.... You've done amazingly!

Linguaphile Mon 19-Aug-13 14:02:01

Thanks, Legally--all totally normal, I'm told! Just ready to have them out.

I'm in Day Assesment for monitoring this morning because I woke up to contractions coming so strong and fast--7 in 45 minutes--that they made me feel nauseated. They went away, but was told to come in to be checked. Monitoring looks okay except twin 1's heart rate was a bit sporadic, possibly because of all her movement! I've been told to wait for a bit now because the midwife thinks the doctor should see me. Thinking everything is probably okay, but better safe than sorry! Would love for them to hang on until 37 weeks if possible, which is still 9 days away...

legallyblond Mon 19-Aug-13 14:08:39

Hope they stay in Lingua.... I have 36 weeks in my head for some reason... That's always been my goal... And that's 12 days... But my ideal is the booked c section date of 37+3!

Have you had lots of braxton hicks before? I have never had a single one, not with DD (an I got to 42 weeks) or these twins... Do they think they are just bh or actual contractions?

Linguaphile Mon 19-Aug-13 15:39:03

Just finished the appointment and all looks fine--cervix is still closed and long, babies both head down--so it looks like they'll be in there at least a little longer. Apparently BH can be quite painful; I've had a few, but nothing like these! Doctor said it's normal and to just keep an eye out for when they are really regular and don't let up. Phew. My parents will be flying in a week from today, so I'm just wanting to hang on until then!

Cheerymum Mon 19-Aug-13 20:13:40

Lingua, so glad to hear all well, thinking of you lots.
I have had masses of BH since about 20 weeks - intense enough to stop me in my tracks but not actually painful. Think I have some muscle tearing/stretching pain under my ribs though - OUCH to your cracked rib, must be v painful.
Legally - my goal is simply September!! Will be 35 weeks then. Actually just getting through this week would be good
:-) I feel so much pressure in my bottom all the time I'm scared I'll be one of those women who goes to the toilet and accidentally finds the baby fell out!! Sorry if TMI!!
If I do end up with a totally planned section I reckon it will be before 37 though as these are MCDA.
So exciting that we will all get to meet our babies soon though.

legallyblond Mon 19-Aug-13 21:18:48

Lingua- glad its "just" Braxton Hicks!

Cheery- Sept is my goal too (I'll be 36+1 on 1 Sept)! But obviously 37+3 and the planned date would be wonderful...!

andadietcoke Wed 21-Aug-13 10:19:37

How's everyone doing? lingua sounds like a very reassuring appointment! I've found my BHs are worse in the evening. They're not painful though, but when I was on the monitor at the hospital they were going off the chart so must be fairly strong.

I ended up being admitted overnight on Monday after four consecutive days of trips to mat triage for BP issues and PE symptoms. They've upped my labetalol and I've got home visits today and Monday and an appt at ADU on Friday.

37+1 today smile

Did anyone watch The Midwives last night? I really wish I hadn't - the twin birth terrified me! I basically spent an hour in tears.

Linguaphile Wed 21-Aug-13 10:39:10

Anda--that episode was terrifying! I was sobbing watching those little babies not breathing on the table and seeing the dad praying for his wife and babies... Makes me really scared to have a natural labour now. DH was like, "What on earth are you doing watching that show?! You know it's only going to make you anxious!" Le sigh. Praying for healthy babies and uneventful deliveries all 'round. Really sorry you've been in again with the PE stuff. Making it to 37+1 is a great success story, though! Maybe they'll just decide to take the babies a little early to be on the safe side with the symptoms you've got? ;)

I'm 36 on the dot today and my ribs/abs are killing me. Twin 2 has turned back so they're both head-down, but her little bottom is now snuggled right up under my ribcage, which is murder on the cracked one! Just a little less than two weeks, though, and I'll have babies to show for it. Final scan on Friday to determine if they're still go for a natural delivery.

Cheerymum Wed 21-Aug-13 10:53:46

Anda you are there at full term! Your planned section must be only a few days away. Great result.

Glad I missed midwives from the sound of it ...

Lingua, you too are practically there, good luck for Friday's scan, and hope the sore rib isn't making life too miserable.

I have a repeat growth scan this afternoon. I'm really hoping to keep going at least a couple of weeks longer (33+2). It's a fortnight now since they first scared me and gave steroids etc but they're so vigorous inside me that I find it hard to believe they're struggling.
I officially started mat leave yesterday. Yay! (Though have been on A/L for 2 weeks before). Roll on September.
I had been hoping for a normal delivery but its off the cards for the time being. Am going to discuss with them today about whether it becomes a viable option again if we get closer to term and they are well ... had my daughter vaginally and had hoped to limit the damage to one zone if the safety of either route is even! Though I am perhaps losing my bottle now.

Good luck all for the deliveries you want, when you want them. Thinking of you.

Cheerymum Wed 21-Aug-13 20:47:08

Yay! I had excellent news today! Both growing! 1 a bit smaller but they are MUCH less worried. And I might even get a normal delivery if I'm lucky!

Linguaphile Wed 21-Aug-13 22:49:22

Ah, that's great news Cheery! So glad that your little ones can cook a bit longer!

andadietcoke Wed 21-Aug-13 23:02:17

Brilliant news Cheery. Must be such a relief! Now you can relax for a little while!

Cheerymum Thu 22-Aug-13 15:53:36

Thanks, Lingua and Anda! Had a little celebratory snooze on the sofa this pm!!

legallyblond Thu 22-Aug-13 20:24:06

Yay, Cheery, I'm thrilled... I guess Sept is looking likely now... Only 9 days!

legallyblond Thu 22-Aug-13 20:26:25

Oh, and despite having DD naturally, c section still on the cards here as they're both breech. At the beginning, I chose a c section anyway... But I might now be torn if twin 1 were head down... Almost glad not to have the choice really!

legallyblond Thu 22-Aug-13 20:27:27

Anda, how are you doing with the PE symptoms....?

Linguaphile Fri 23-Aug-13 10:13:12

Morning, girls! Going in for my 36+2 appt in about an hour and am excited it's my last! Babies still v active and no signs of movement, so I'm praying my cervix ripens up a bit before my membrane sweep next week.

Took a stroll down the road yesterday to pick up some bits at M&S and started BH-ing again, had to sit down because they were making me light-headed. Stupid cramps. Been a bit nauseated as well, thinking it's just flu stuff. Blech. At any rate, I'm super uncomfortable. Walking, sleeping, sitting, standing.... it all hurts my back and my belly. Do anyone else's upper abs feel like they're being stabbed and/or burned? My poor muscles are ripping apart, I think. And then there are the stretch marks, which I thought I'd escaped until a few weeks ago and which now are spreading like the plague. Can you tell I'm feeling sorry for myself today? smile

andadietcoke Fri 23-Aug-13 10:19:20

legally home visit on Wednesday was great - tablets seemed to be working. Have an appt at the ADU today for bloods, BP and monitoring and I have an absolutely banging headache which isn't shifting with paracetamol - really hope it's not a sign that the tablets aren't controlling my BP, but the swelling in my ankles and feet has reduced, as have the visual disturbances.

lingua oh dear (but yay for the last appt!). I have an awful stabbing pain at the top of my bump if I twist or get up funny. Feels like something is tearing/ripping inside!

I thought the babies were supposed to run out of space at some point? Mine are wriggling like anything - last night I was quite alarmed by twin 2!

Cheerymum Fri 23-Aug-13 20:37:37

Anda hope you are ok. Glad you are having a checkup in view of that headache.
Lingua hope 36+2 appt was ok.
Legally - I feel a bit thrown by having the choice again! I was told it had to be Caesarian because of the growth probs, but now that seems to have resolved I have the option again (though only if I labour spontaneously before 36+3 or so) and its difficult to know what's for the best!
I too have muscle ripping type pains at the bottom of my rib cage/top of tummy. And constant feeling of twin1's head in my bottom (sorry if TMI! But am practically afraid to use the loo in case she falls out!!) Otherwise not too bad (except piles, backache, rubbish sleep etc ...) but it will be a relief to "be delivered" whenever that happens.

legallyblond Fri 23-Aug-13 22:57:54

Let us know how the check up went Anda... Lingua, hope yours was ok too!

I'm not suffering too badly with the muscle ripping etc yet... 2.5 weeks to go though, so plenty of time. The main think us the extraordinary shapes that my bump throws.. Feels v different to DD who was head down by now... And it means no pressure in the bottom/bum (which I remember well!), just kicks, like little stabs, in my cervix!

andadietcoke Fri 23-Aug-13 23:09:16

Meh. Urates still high in bloods, but BP lower and urine clear. My home visit on Monday has been 'upgraded' to a repeat visit. At the moment although the urates are high they don't want to deliver early - that will be reviewed again on Monday.

Hoping the weekend goes quickly and that the babies are wriggly - they've been quieter tonight and it really worries me, even though I've been on the CTG this afternoon!

Cheerymum Sat 24-Aug-13 01:41:14

Anda, must be very stressful having so many check ups and not knowing when they will just get on with it. If the babies are still a bit quiet, don't delay at all, go back in asap and say so, and get back on the CTG. Don't worry they'll think you're a PITA - their welfare and your stress levels are much more important and they really won't mind.
Legally, the shapes can be so bizarre, can't they? I am pointy to the left, and sometimes go really angular like a pyramid!

legallyblond Sat 24-Aug-13 07:17:53

I agree Anda, just go back in if they're quiet. It must be difficult, especially as we know this isn't "early" at all for other hospitals, but the perfect planned date (eg I am booked for 37+3 as that is "optimal" according to them die me!).....

Linguaphile Sat 24-Aug-13 08:21:26

Glad to hear you're still hanging on there Anda--I agree with the others about going in if they're quiet! Nobody is going to think you're going ninja-panic on them for asking to be monitored for decreased movement at 37 weeks!

Totally identify with you guys on wonky bump syndrome. Twin 1 is further down in my pelvis than twin 2, so mine is lopsided with t1's bottom hitting about halfway up on the left and t2's snuggled just under my ribs on the right. Loads of limbs right in the middle as well, which makes for lots of visible alien-like activity. So weird... Feels like I'm pregnant with a litter of hyperactive puppies.

Appt went well except that my hot, swift walk to the train, combined with aforementioned aches, made me throw up. sad Waste of a good iced mocha, that. All good otherwise, and it looks like the girls are both holding steady right at the 50th percentile, 5lbs 8 and 5lbs 12 respectively, both head down. Low bp, clear urine, and lots of slighly condescending little 'you're doing so well!' comments. All set for induction next week, so doing lots of walking to ripen things up.

legallyblond Sat 24-Aug-13 16:06:39

Lingua - so exciting!!! I was induced with DD and I seriously recommend raspberry leaf tea - I drank it by the gallon and my cervix was nice and "ripe" when the time came....! Once they give you the pessary, that is the time to pace the hospital and bounce on the birthing ball like crazy... Don't lie in bed!

legallyblond Sat 24-Aug-13 16:10:55

Oh and my d day is in 2 weeks 3 days.... Eek. And they'd better not come this week as DH is 14 hours away until Thurs..... Gulp.....

Cheerymum Sat 24-Aug-13 17:19:28

Lingua, sorry to hear you lost your mocha!
Legally I think my delivery "deadline" is 12th Sept - just a day or two after you ... I'll only be 36+3 but that's what they have as optimal for MCDA. Good tips on "ripening" - they aren't keen to induce me if things don't happen by themselves, so I think I'd better start doing what I can to help my body get on with it soonish! Maybe from next week onwards.

Cheerymum Sat 24-Aug-13 17:19:46

Anda update us when you can x

andadietcoke Sat 24-Aug-13 23:46:23

Still here! Both babies have been wriggly today - just need them to behave tomorrow then I feel like I'll be in the home stretch - appointments Monday and Wednesday before my section on Thursday.

Think my bump has dropped a fair bit which makes me worry about Twin 1 - she was massively squashed before and must be even more so now, poor little thing!

Hopefully by this time tomorrow the house will be ready with the exception of the cot beds, which my dad will build while I'm in hospital.

There's a few things we still need to buy so that can be Tuesday's job!

How's everyone else?

Cheerymum Sun 25-Aug-13 03:04:58

Oh good, Anda, so glad you're ok. Just days to go for you! Don't try and do too much, will you!

andadietcoke Mon 26-Aug-13 17:28:27

Amazing - had another checkup today, and I think the Registrar was bored because he decided to scan me to check presentation as I hadn't had a scan since 36w (36+6 today). Twin 1 is still breech, and Twin 2 is still oblique, but has completely flipped and gone from head down to feet down - how on earth didn't that little gymnastic activity hurt like hell?!

Cheerymum Mon 26-Aug-13 21:16:41

They are incredible, aren't they? My twin 2 went from head down to breech without me noticing, though the bump did change shape a bit!
Good luck with tomorrow's shopping.
I'm doing ok, but v tired all if a sudden. I just feel like labour might start any time, though no show or anything specific to suggest it really. My next (and last) scan and checkup is in 8 days.
Legally, hope no excitement in your house with DH away!
Lingua, when is your induction?

legallyblond Tue 27-Aug-13 17:14:47

No excitement so far... Phew! Anda - I'd it Thursday for the c section... Eek! 48 hours and they'll be in your arms.

Mine is 2 weeks today....!

Both my two were breech... But not sure now. They had s crazy couple of days of movements but have quitetened down a bit yesterday and today, so I wonder if they've settled somewhere new. We'll see on Fri...

legallyblond Tue 27-Aug-13 17:18:08

Oh and Anda, what are your hospital doing about steroids in the end given its def a c section? As I said, I have them 48 hours before mine...

andadietcoke Tue 27-Aug-13 20:22:47

legally at my last appt at 36w they said they wouldn't give me steroids. I'm 38w today and have my pre-op tomorrow so it's looking like that's still the case.

legallyblond Wed 28-Aug-13 08:27:35

Funny how different hospitals do thinks! Apparently, for a planned CS pre 39 weeks, my hospital always give steroids... Bizarre! One more day - I guess you'll be heading to the hospital this time tomorrow!!!!!!

andadietcoke Wed 28-Aug-13 11:13:51

Ha legally I thought of you and laughed this morning - seems it's not only different hospitals, but different doctors...

After the scan on Monday I've been having trouble deciphering movement as what I feel doesn't make sense. They couldn't get a trace on Twin 1 so sent me down to u/s who scanned me and found Twin 2 is exactly where she was at 36w and hasn't flipped at all - the registrar must have been counting the same head for both babies!! While I was waiting the mw came down and asked me if I'd had steroids as there was nothing in my notes. Explained that I hadn't, that I'd asked and had been told (after the reg checked with a consultant) that I didn't need them. She kept asking me to confirm that the reg had checked with a senior doctor, and then at the end the sonographer asked me to go back upstairs where they told me the consultant on call wanted me to have the steroids after all. So I've had one dose this morning and have to go back at 10pm tonight for the next lot. Bloody hell, that's a painful injection by the way!!

So after all that, I've had the steroids, I've got my ranitidine, and all being well I'll be first on the list at 10am (emergencies permitting). Feels very surreal and clinical at the moment, but less anxious than I was this morning. Apparently I'll be in a 4-bed ward tomorrow night, and then in my own room. Absolutely terrified...

Cheerymum Wed 28-Aug-13 18:02:12

Really good luck for tomorrow Anda - you'll be just fine. Feel for you with the steroid injections - I had them a few weeks ago when there was concern, and they are certainly sore! Surprised they think you need then at 38/39 weeks but often these areas of variable practice are where the evidence doesn't offer a clear answer ... Haven't checked out the evidence for steroids that late on though so who knows.
Babies in your arms tomorrow - how lovely xx

legallyblond Wed 28-Aug-13 19:14:32

Cheery - at my hospital they do steroids where ever they can for a c section right up to 39 weeks babies, although its term, the baby misses out in the squeezing and stress hormones that occur during natural birth, both of which make a huge difference to the lungs. Without the steroids, c section babies often have (minor) breathing difficulties. Apparently they last for 6 weeks though, so at least you won't need the jabs again!

Can't wait to hear from you tomorrow Anda - our first babies on the thread!!! You'll be fine x

legallyblond Wed 28-Aug-13 19:16:36

Lingua - what day does the induction commence?

Linguaphile Thu 29-Aug-13 09:25:44

Good luck today Anda! Hope it all goes really well--update when you can. It's going to be so lovely having those babies I your arms!! Can't wait till it's my turn next week.

Induction is officially set for Monday, though I go in for a sweep tomorrow to get things ripened up. Fingers crossed all goes well and labour isn't complicated or too drawn out!

andadietcoke Thu 29-Aug-13 09:45:05

Thanks! Just waiting now - was supposed to be first but there was an EMCS at 9. Am compression stockinged and gowned up and absolutely terrified!

legallyblond Thu 29-Aug-13 10:27:51

Good luck Anda!!! Thinking of you x x

legallyblond Fri 30-Aug-13 07:43:44

Let us know when you can anda..... Our first thread babies!

twinteresting Fri 30-Aug-13 18:43:06

Wow!
Thinking of you anda

andadietcoke Fri 30-Aug-13 18:52:28

Sorry for the lack of update - got swept up in everything!

Charlotte Sarah arrived at 10.52 yesterday, weighing 5lb5oz followed at 10.54 by her little (big) sister Sophie Lindsay, weighing 7lb13oz. Both babies are on the neonatal unit as they've had some problems with their breathing, but they're out of the incubators now; just need some help feeding, and keeping an eye on. We're all fine, just finding it hard not having them close by.

legallyblond Fri 30-Aug-13 19:21:03

Congratulations!!!!! Sorry they're in Neonatal, but I'm sure you'll have them back soon... So there was a big twin in there! So happy you're all fine, although hope they're with you very soon. How was the c section?

Cheerymum Fri 30-Aug-13 22:18:23

Congratulations Anda! Fingers crossed you'll all be united and home swiftly xx
Lingua hope the sweep went ok and wasn't too uncomfortable. Sounds like you're likely to be next!

Congratulations andadietcoke smile

Lovely names! It is hard being away from your babies. Visit them often and try get as much skin to skin as you can.

Enjoy your lovely girls smile

legallyblond Sat 31-Aug-13 08:01:26

I had my last growth scan yesterday (36 weeks today) - thankfully it was with my normal consultant who has seen me loads throughout and who scans me himself. He thinks they're both doing well - twin one is about 5lb10 and twin two about 5lb1! Yay!

Somehow, from both being breech 14 days ago, they're now both head down..... So natural delivery is now an option.... Argh! Choices! At the moment, I'm still thinking c section. Consultant has said it's entirely my choice. He also said that if it were him, he would say c section every time and that c section does eliminate some risks to twin 2.... So I've stuck with c section, but, especially having given birth naturally once, it stems like a though choice. My body def knows how to give birth, but recovery wasn't a total walk in the park (had episiotomy and ached for weeks...). Stuck!

Cheerymum Sat 31-Aug-13 08:26:44

Yay, Legally, well done on those excellent weights! I know the dilemma - I have been offered a section but now the babies seem to be well, a vaginal delivery is again an option, which at present I am going for ... but having had a scare about them I'm not particularly comfortable in that choice either ...

Cheerymum Sun 01-Sep-13 23:37:42

Lingua, think its your induction tomorrow (Monday) unless the sweep did more than you bargained for over the weekend! Very best of luck, thinking of you, update us when you can x

Linguaphile Mon 02-Sep-13 06:05:22

Ah, many congratulations Anda! Lovely names. smile Bet you're enjoying every minute with those sweet little girls!

Well done on getting them to those weights, Legally! Choices are indeed hard.... I'm thinking of opting for a c-section if the induction doesn't work as I definitely don't want one of those 4-day labours that ends in an EMCS anyway. Doctor is keen for natural delivery, so fingers crossed it all goes really smoothly on the first attempt with the pessary.

You're right, Cheery, today is the day for me! Meant to call at 8 to make sure they've got space. They weren't actually able to do a sweep on Friday because I was still closed, but the midwife said she was still really happy with how things were looking as I was softening and the presenting twin's head was very, very low. Been doing lots of walking this weekend to help things along, so hoping it all works and I don't need syntocin to get things moving! Will update as I can.

Cornwall73 Mon 02-Sep-13 09:31:59

Anda, huge congratulations on the birth of your lovely girls. Hope you have them with you very soon.

Lingua good luck for your induction!

Sorry I have not been around much. A and C are 18 days old now and keeping me on my toes - being a twin mum is lovely but ridiculously hard work! DH has gone back to work today so I had to do the night feeds on my own, mayor humour bypass at 5am. But all is well this morning. MIL arrives tonight for two weeks.

Cheerymum Mon 02-Sep-13 19:01:27

Lingua, thinking of you, hope all going well.
Cornwall, great to hear from you now you are on the "other side" and clearly surviving! Hope MIL is lovely and makes you rest as much as is feasible.

Cheerymum Wed 04-Sep-13 17:57:16

Lingua, hope all ok. Thinking of you.
I had a scan today, all OK, hoping for vaginal birth but elective section booked for 37+1 on 17th if nothing doing. They'll do a sweep +/- pessary next week if it looks favourable. So our countdown is on.

legallyblond Thu 05-Sep-13 19:16:54

Yes, Lingua, hope all ok. I'm guessing with an induction (I've had one - went in in Sat morning, DD arrived on Min, so I know they can drag) you'll be heading for a c section now if they're big here already....

Cheery!! Yay! Countdown is on! I'm really going now to hold out to the planned c section on Tues 10th....

legallyblond Thu 05-Sep-13 19:17:49

Anda how are you and the girls doing? Are you all back together now? X x

andadietcoke Fri 06-Sep-13 20:11:35

Sorry, caught up in my own little world. The babies were discharged from NICU on Saturday morning, so were there for 48 hours really. I on the other hand, didn't get discharged until Wednesday night - my BP was high and they wouldn't let me go home until it stabilised. Catch 22 because I knew my BP would be lower at home (and it has been). Ended up asking to self discharge and lo and behold a doctor turned up to discharge me within 30 minutes (I'd been waiting 6 hours at that point after a few good readings when the stress and late medication meant it started to creep up again).

So we've been home two days now. DH has been at school so I've done the nights on my own and my mum's been here in the day. With them being in NICU I struggled to BF and have been expressing and mixing with formula. I'm struggling to find time to express though, and am worried it's starting to dry up, even though I tried really hard yesterday and everything was fine, as was this morning - tonight I've really struggled to get much out.

DH off on paternity leave now for 9 days. He's also taking the girls out tonight so I can sleep for a couple of hours. Not sure what I feel about that though!!

Feel like I'm cutting corners all the time - not expressing enough, seem to only change nappies at feeding time, not bathed them since we left hospital etc etc. just completely overwhelmed.

Cheerymum Fri 06-Sep-13 21:25:44

Anda it sounds like you are doing fine!! Some twin parent friends of ours advised a massive lowering of expectations. They said if you are all still alive at the end of a day that is a great result! So I really wouldn't worry about some corner cutting. Get whatever rest and help you can. Thinking of you.
Legally, only a few days to go now. Must be excited!
Lingua, still hoping for news whenever you feel up to it.

legallyblond Fri 06-Sep-13 21:33:44

Anda - I cut corners all the time with DD (classic, and a top tip, is never ever change anything but a poorly nappy st night - if it's just wee, leave if and let you and them get back to sleep quicker)! And DD didn't have a bath for a week post hospital... They're hardly dirty! Also re expressing, do you feel you need to express on top of feeding? Its a HUGE hassle and I gave up within 24 hours and just fed with no expressing. Is the problem that they won't bf? Will they only take from a bottle? If you and they are vaguely getting sleep and not in tears all the time, you're doing great. Try maybe putting one in a sling and holding the other to give you one hand free for pottering and drinking tea / eating cake...?

legallyblond Fri 06-Sep-13 21:35:53

Cheery - I know! And you must be thrilled as each day progresses into Sept... I know 1st Sept felt like a milestone for both of us!

Anda - I can't stress enough - cut as many corners as you can to keep you sane!!!!!

legallyblond Fri 06-Sep-13 22:46:52

And I meant to say only ever change a pooey nappy at night. Leave anything else and leave the light off... You'll all get back to sleep better x

Cheerymum Sat 07-Sep-13 10:19:19

Yy Anda to only changing nappies at night if they are pooey!! That isn't even corner cutting! Though you SHOULD be doing all the actual corner cutting you can - I certainly plan to.

andadietcoke Sat 07-Sep-13 10:44:26

You're all brilliant, thank you. legally, not breastfeeding. Have tried several times since they came out of NICU but it's not happening, and actually, expressing suits me because DH can 'do' one baby (or whichever willing participant is around). Expressed a couple of times in the night and it seems to be going a bit better - setting reminders on my phone now.

legallyblond Sat 07-Sep-13 13:33:28

Anda - expressing sounds good then. Have you got a tip top double pump? I veivrvyhry save loads of time. I agree re phone reminders, sounds like a

legallyblond Sat 07-Sep-13 13:36:04

Sorry! I believe they save loads of time and phone reminders sounds like a plan! You're doing great! A friend of mine couldn't get to grips with bf either and have her baby exclusively pumped milk for six months! It is do able, but equally, if formula suits better in the end, do that! You sound like you're managing really well x x

NaiceAm Sat 07-Sep-13 13:58:39

Am I too late to join? Never thought I would end up being a mum of three under 3 (and for two weeks 3 under 2)! DD1 has just turned 2 and the twins (DCDA) girls are just over 4 weeks old. LegallyB I'm also a lawyer.

I had the twins by ELCS having had DD1 naturally (albeit epiduraled up to the eyeballs grin ). It was a very odd experience to turn up at hospital, walk to the operating theatre and a few minutes later be handed two babies. Up until that point a part of me was still thinking that there was no way there could be two in there (even though I had put on 4 stone in weight and was the size of a large bus).

I'm mixed feeding after a crisis of confidence and energy even though I exclusively bfed my DD1 until she was 14 months old. The HV came round to weigh the twins on Tuesday and said that they had only put on 2 oz each in 2 weeks so advised me to up the formula sad She came back yesterday to reweigh and it seems like her scales must have been wrong as they have put on 1 1/2 lb each in 3 days so I am feeling a bit more confident about my norks ability to produce now.

I have no idea how to get them to both feed at the same time or why they can go for three days without poo and then squirt it all over the bedroom curtains. I was also wondering whether you are all planning on keeping them in your bedroom for 6 months - my two are incredibly noisy in their sleep - constantly grunting and groaning to each other.

andadietcoke Sat 07-Sep-13 13:59:31

Yep, hired one from the hospital - apparently they retail at £1,200 shock

legallyblond Sat 07-Sep-13 23:00:48

Hello Naice, fellow lawyer. I feel the same, except I'll have three under three for a month only....

Nothing helpful to add as I've got it all to come in Tues (also elcs despite having DD naturally).

Am a bit worried about your crisis if confidence re bf - I ebf DD (stopped when she turned 2) and really want to bf again, mainly because I have never given a bottle to a baby in my life so would be clueless!!!! I have bought a "my breast friend" twin feeding pillow from eBay as apparently ghat helps with feeding both together.... Eeek!

Oh and you are not too late.... Welcome welcome! I think we could all do with sympathetic ears over the coming weeks..... I remember v clearly how overwhelming a newborn is - I still cannot believe I'll have two.....

NaiceAm Sun 08-Sep-13 05:37:19

Thank you! I ebf my first after a rocky start (she was tongue tied) for 14 months, stopped and then conceived. I found bfeeding this time round tricky at first because I tried too much too soon. I was determined to tandem feed and that I had to feed them at the same time to get them into the same routine.

FWIW my advice would be to practice tandem feeding but mainly feed one at a time initially until they know what they are doing and it feels more comfortable. It's lovely now as they both feed looking at each other but I had bad cracks etc from getting the latch wrong but having to put up with it for that feed as I didn't have a spare hand to delatch.

I didn't use a pillow with my DD1 but this time one is invaluable (I've got the harmony duo). You just look like a bit of a crazy milk machine with it strapped on, feeding two.

We decided from the start to mixed feed (but with formula as little as poss) and apart from the recent HV weight debacle it has been going OK - not easy but definitely possible.

Good luck for Tuesday. An ELCS is a very surreal experience but pain wise after the first four days I felt in better shape than I had after giving birth naturally.

legallyblond Sun 08-Sep-13 06:55:29

Thanks - I found bf DD relatively easy and was definitely planning on getting them sorted one at a time before really going for tandem feeding... I know how to latch and feed one so will focus on that, if I can, before anything else. Obviously, totally different ball game if they're in NICU or something like that as Anda's have been (and they were a later gestation than mine will be.. My elcs is just 37+3, which seems v early given DD was induced at 42 weeks!!).

I am really hoping for a good recovery from the elcs, mainly because of DD! After my natural birth, I was in pain (although not terrible) for weeks as I had an episiotomy. It ached beyond my 6 week check up.... Eek... 2 days to go!!!

andadietcoke Sun 08-Sep-13 08:55:45

legally don't worry about NICU too much - I didn't have the steroids remember. We'll never know what difference that would have made...

naice thanks for the poo story, it's made me feel loads better - Sophie hasn't had a dirty nappy since Friday evening. She doesn't seem to be in any discomfort and is winding and eating normally, and we're getting plenty of wet nappies, but am still worried. Have switched her to 100% bm to see if that helps but nothing so far, and meant that we had a restless night with both of them as they seem to settle better when their feeds are topped up with formula.

MW coming to weigh them today and check on us, so I can ask her, and we'll also be able to check they're getting enough food - will check when her scales were last calibrated wink

Cheerymum Sun 08-Sep-13 09:10:15

Hello Naice! Congratulations and welcome, sounds like you're doing brilliantly. Good advice re BF there I think.
Like Legally, I was planning to start 1 by 1 then move to tandem once we all have for the hang ... If all goes smoothly re everything else.
Really hoping Lingua was OK and had just been too busy/in the flow to update.
I dunno if I'm going mad aiming for a vag birth - elective section certainly sounds like it has its appeal. Bit of background for me - I had quite a bad tear after DD and a scar that had to be operated on after 6months because it was still too painful to DTD - still a bit achey and uncomfortable at times even now, especially if we get erm intimate (I'm sure there was a while when we did, must have been to get pregnant again, not so much at the moment LOL)... and I suppose one reason I wanted another vag birth is that for some people in my shoes, stretching it all up again actually helps ... and I wanted to límit the wreckage to one area ...sorry if TMI, I'm still struggling a bit with my decision making over it.
ELCS booked at 37+1 if no labour before, so we may well
end up with one anyway. That is a bit later than ptotocol, actually, for MCDA, but the only other date they offered was Fri 13th! And whilst I'm not superstitious, my husband/family are a bit, and he felt they'd be teased about having that as their birthday.
My dilemma is whether to have more than a sweep on Wednesday - they would consider offering propess if it all looks favourable in the meantime, but I'm having serious doubts about whether I want that or not. My obstetrician is quite anti induction for MCDA twins as the risk of emergency section is high enough anyway, and I wouldn't want synto or anything hardcore, if it didn't look as though I just needed something mild to tip me over into labour I'll wait for the section. But I can't find any data about induction with propess and MCDA twins to help inform my decision, and whenever I look I stumble across info I don't really want (unfortunately MCDA twins are never really out of the woods risk-wise until they are in your arms, regardless of how they are delivered ...) Sorry to ramble on, just that it's all going over and over in my mind.
Legally, you're so much on the home straight now, does it seem real? I still feel as though I'm in a weird dream sequence, not sure whether being handed 2 babies is even going to make it believable...! 48 hours till you go in. Have you got a preop assessment tomorrow?

Cheerymum Sun 08-Sep-13 09:11:12

Phew, that was an essay!! Sorry, pls skim over if excessive!

andadietcoke Sun 08-Sep-13 21:20:49

cheery are you a member of TAMBA? If so, you could ring their twin advice line and see what they say about different methods of induction?

Cheerymum Sun 08-Sep-13 23:22:14

That's a good idea, Anda, I'll do that tomorrow. Not a member (yet) but planning to join and I' m sure they'd chat it through with me anyway. Thanks for the suggestion.

Linguaphile Mon 09-Sep-13 14:50:39

Hi all! Just popping in to say that they're here! Sorry for the delay in updating--we're unfortunately still at the hospital because of post-birth weight loss due to jaundice, so life is still a bit crazy at the moment. Vivienne Gray and Philippa Winter arrived on September 4th at 7:34 and 7:35 pm respectively. They were born after 33.5 hours of back labour (29 of which were without an epidural) followed by an emergency cesarean. The pessary induction worked well as I was already really ripe, but things moved slowly because Vivi (twin 1) moved her head a bit and was a little oblique during labour. She got stuck with a hyperextended neck halfway down the chute, but the doctor thought he could deliver her even though she had a brow presentation. After 45 minutes of pushing, attempts at manual turning, and a failed suction delivery, her heart rate skyrocketed so they delivered them both in theatre in under 5 minutes.

Recovery hasn't been bad, though! I was up and walking without a catheter at about noon the day after delivery, and now at 3 days postpartum am feeling great. Only spotting (a bit less than a light pad's worth every 4 hours or so) and managing just fine without pain meds!

The girls developed quite serious jaundice due to blood type incompatibility, so they were in the NICU under 24 hour lights from Friday afternoon until last night. It was really hard not having my girls with me, so it's absolutely lovely having them back with me so that I can enjoy them all day long. Now the trick is to get them to gain back all the weight they've lost! Feeling a bit like a prisoner here at the hospital, almost like Inhave to pass a parenting exam in baby weight gain before they'll let me go home. It's been a week and I'm dying to just get my girlies home. Loving being a mother, and we're totally besotted!

Linguaphile Mon 09-Sep-13 14:53:44

Oh, forgot to say that Vivi was born at 6lbs 2oz and Pippa was born at 5lbs 11oz. Now they're 5lbs and 5lbs 6oz, so fattening up is the name of the game right now!

andadietcoke Mon 09-Sep-13 16:38:57

Oh lingua congratulations!!! Sounds like a bit of an ordeal, but that you're doing well now. Hope Operation Weight Gain goes well and that you're all home very soon - fingers crossed!!

Cheerymum Mon 09-Sep-13 16:43:36

Congratulations Lingua! So glad all safe and sound - it sounds as though you have been on a rollercoaster to get there - fantastic that you are all together now. Gorgeous names as well. Best of luck with the weight gain, here's hoping for a happy family at home soon xxx

NaiceAm Mon 09-Sep-13 23:13:48

Eek Lingua that sounds pretty full on but congratulations on their safe arrival. Fattening up is a lot of pressure isn't it - sometimes it feels like I am force feeding!

Legally, is your due date tomorrow? I hope it all goes well.

legallyblond Mon 09-Sep-13 23:22:07

Congratulations Lingua!!!

Mine are coming tomorrow. Feels v surreal and has in no way sunk in....

andadietcoke Mon 09-Sep-13 23:32:23

legally Good luck. It's so surreal, knowing when your babies will come! Hope everything goes okay, let us know when you can xx

Cheerymum Tue 10-Sep-13 01:02:56

Lingua really good luck. Glad it's not just me feeling like the whole thing is a surreal dream! You'll be fine, let us know when you can xx

Cheerymum Tue 10-Sep-13 01:03:49

Doh I mean Legally good luck ... Sorry, late/tired/can't sleep for heartburn xx

legallyblond Tue 10-Sep-13 12:18:03

There was an emergency, so still waiting to go in....

Cheerymum Tue 10-Sep-13 13:14:40

Hope they don't keep you waiting too long, Legally x

Linguaphile Tue 10-Sep-13 13:18:28

Good luck, Legally! Thinking of you!

I definitely sympathise of the breastfeeding conundrum. Both of the girls are good eaters and have great latches, but as the jaundice makes them really sleepy, feeding is an exercise in keeping them awake! I really wanted to ebf or at least express instead of using formula, but have been told in no uncertain terms that they need top-ups after every feed to help them gain weight. I'm finding it really hard to gauge how much they're getting from me because they always settle well and seem very content after 20 minutes on the boob. Last night we had two episodes of projectile vomiting because the top-up was too much. Makes me feel like a horrible mother, force-feeding them to the point that they vomit. sad

In lighter news, we think they might be identical! Is anyone planning to get a zygosity test done for same-sex DCDAs? As we don't have any family history of twins and they're looking a LOT alike, we're both very curious.

Cheerymum Tue 10-Sep-13 18:41:17

I definitely would get a zygosity test if mine were same sex DCDA!! Don't be hard on yourself about the feeding issues, Lingua. There's a good chance you'll be able to EBF if that's what you want once they wake up a bit. Whatever you do, don't feel like a horrible mother, you found like you're doing great xx
Hope to hear news soon Legally, thinking if you xx

littleomar Wed 11-Sep-13 18:49:03

Congratulations Lingua! I'm expecting DCDA both girls and we will get zygosity testing done unless they are obviously non ID eg different eye colours.

I'm 29+5 and just been diagnosed with gestational diabetes. I'm seriously pissed off, already facing CS unless I can get twin 1 to turn and this is going to make it even harder to get breast feeding established. I get to spend yet another morning at the hospital tomorrow to find out what I'm supposed to be doing about it. Yay. Not.

NaiceAm Wed 11-Sep-13 22:07:47

We are going to do Zygosity testing - just got the link through from the MBF - been putting it off as if they are non identical then I am going to feel "responsible" and aged!

Cornwall73 Thu 12-Sep-13 06:41:12

Congratulations Lingua, great weights and names!
Legally you are next!

Sorry for not posting for a while but MIL is still here and life is pretty full on. Four weeks today and still enjoying every minute other than when they cry because they are unsettled. It really tugs at me that I cannot see to them both at the same time. First foray to twin club today!

legallyblond Fri 13-Sep-13 20:44:46

Hello! Sorry... Been caught up a little!

Hugo and Valentina (boy and girl, obviously!) arrived safely by planned CS at 13.46 and 13.47 on Tues 10th. Hugo weighed 6lb 2 and Vally weighed 5lb 3. Neither needed any help with breathing or anything and we came home last night, on day 2.

All going well so far - I am glad I opted for the CS and turns out Vally (twin 2) was footling breech so god knows how she would have come out.

Feeling v overwhelmed and teary... There doesn't seem to be enough time to sleep what with DD as well....

Feeding is going well. Lingua - I fully hear you. I have reluctantly agreed to formula top ups for Vally as she was small and kept testing too low on blood sugars, but I've dropped it to 5-10ml of formula after feeds and IF she gains weight but Sundsy, I'm going to be "allowed" to re

legallyblond Fri 13-Sep-13 20:46:54

Grrr... Replace the formula with expressed breast milk, which I've started expressing in anticipation... Really nervous about it and hope against hope she gains... So far they're each down 5% on birth weight. All a bit stressful - bf DD was a breeze in comparison - I was just left to get on with it and she gained fine!

It took a month for my DTS to regain his birth weight so don't worry if it takes time. I dealt with it all by not being so available to the MWs. If they are putting on weight (even if slowly) and feeding, then just get in with it. In terms of dropping to-ups, I found choosing a 3 hour block and just breastfeeding them for that whole block worked well in getting my supply up. Then once that seemed to be working, chose another 3 hour block and so on. Last one to go was the 10 pm feed. It took about 6 weeks but DTS was very badly tongue tied and took a long time to learn to latch. Advantage to this approach is that they learn to take a full feed at the breast - albeit it might be in two halves or with shorter spaces between feeds for a whole. This also allows your body to get used to providing a full feed - it's harder if every feed is a little bit short of enough.

legallyblond Fri 13-Sep-13 21:48:33

Thanks Free. It's tricky because DD was a v efficient feeder, so ten mins on one side really was a full feed for her. At the mo, both twins are feeding nicely (good big swallows etc) for about 20 mins... Then they're asleep. How did you keep your DTS "awake" enough to properly feed for three full hours? I just don't know what to expect on Sunday and it feels s bit weird to be told how to feed by the MWs...

Oh, I didn't mean feed them for the full 3 hours non stop. That would be psychotic! Although I have done it during growth spurts...

Just only breastfeed them each time they wake in that 3 hour period. So that should cover 2-3 feeds (one baby once, one baby twice?) And unfortunately you do need to wake them every 3 hours minimum. You might even be advised to aim for every 2 hours from 7 until 6, maybe letting them have one longer 2.5 hr nap Only during the day, then not more than 4 hourly overnight and start again at 7 the next morning. I wish I'd just accepted how often I needed to feed. Once I went with 2.5 hrs max during the day, life wa easier weirdly.

They will wake up soon! Any jaundice? Are you managing a walk outside at all? This weather is awful but a bit of daylight will help them wake up too. Even just let them nap by a window.

remember that very few MW will have seen anyone attempt to BF twins exclusively. So try to analysis what they say in Light of what you know about bfing.

Have you got the mothering multiples book? It's a bit American but it was reassuring that it is doable. Remember the golden rule that in order to have enough milk, you need to feed. You are already producing tons of milk so the incremental increase shouldn't be unmanageable. You just need to work up to it in manageable stages.

And it might just be that 20 mins is a full feed for them at this stage. That was the case for me for the first two weeks or so and then they got hungry. After that, I had 3 months of hour long feeds - that was when tandem feeding became a lifesaver!

legallyblond Fri 13-Sep-13 22:07:44

No jaundice. Not been out yet (only day 3!) but might tomorrow. He wakes himself every three hours, but I have an alarm set for that anyway, and he might wake more often in the night. She feeds about every hour and a half, but I count the feeds in between the three hourly ones as comfort / bm top ups, so only go through the whole formula top up then pump process every three hours. On those three hourly feeds, I've v successfully got them tandem feeding - yay!!!

legallyblond Fri 13-Sep-13 22:08:14

I would never go longer than three hours - I f

legallyblond Fri 13-Sep-13 22:08:36

Sorry... I don't think DD went l

legallyblond Fri 13-Sep-13 22:10:05

Oh god - stupid iPhone!!! I don't think DD went longer than three hours for about 5 months!!!! But she was a v frequent feeder!

Cheerymum Fri 13-Sep-13 22:13:50

Legally so glad you are all well, and many congratulations. Persevere, you sound like you're doing great. Xx

andadietcoke Sat 14-Sep-13 05:02:21

legally congratulations! So glad the birth went well and that you could get home so quickly.

I completely sympathise with feeling overwhelmed. Sophie was really unsettled tonight and was completely unconsolable. Nothing I tried worked, and just ended up sobbing my heart out wondering how I was going to cope next week when DH is back at work. Am absolutely terrified...

legallyblond Sat 14-Sep-13 21:34:16

Thanks Anda.... Still feeling totally overwhelmed... Gulp. I just feel like "what have we done??..." Despite being so do unbelievably in love and happy they're here safely. Life with just DD, now she's nearly three, seemed very easy... And having had a singleton, life with DD and one baby would have been easy.....

andadietcoke Sun 15-Sep-13 06:31:26

I know. I think I'm finding it harder because this wasn't something we 'chose' if that makes sense - I chose to get pregnant and have one baby, but not two. And then I feel so so guilty for thinking such awful things, when really, they're very good. It's just the dark, over tired me taking over when they're screaming. DH is still sleeping through whatever screams they make so have been dealing with DT1 since 4am who he put down because he couldn't get her to finish her feed as she was nodding off, and I've been dealing with since, until I finally get her settled and DT2 wakes up. Think I've had an hour's sleep so far tonight. So tired...

This gets easier, doesn't it?!

Cornwall73 Sun 15-Sep-13 08:02:40

Legally congratulations on the birth of your twins! Valentina was on our list too, gorgeous name! Good to hear you are dong well.

I cannot help in terms of BF and routines as mine are FF but I would say that the overwhelming feelings and the 'what have we done' thoughts especially in the middle of the night are utterly normal. I know it's hard but try to get out at least for 10 with the pram every day - you will all feel better for it. The first few weeks are very very hard as you establish feeding and under the watchful eye of people and very sleep deprived.

You are all doing a good job and yes it does get easier!

Cornwall73 Sun 15-Sep-13 08:06:24

....and at our first visit to a twin club coffee morning this week at four weeks old, a mum admitted that she wanted to hand a twin back at the worst and darkest hours!!!

Cheerymum Sun 15-Sep-13 10:39:56

Such a relief that its not just us - I already feel sad for the loss of the singleton experience we had planned on, and ours aren't even coming out until Tuesday (probably). Am a bit worried about bonding and so on because I do feel resentful about a shitty pregnancy, a c section I don't want, and the exhaustion to come. Am sure we'll adore them in due course but the temptation to leave one at the hospital creeps into my mind every now and then!!

legallyblond Sun 15-Sep-13 14:29:57

Thanks guys.... Good to hear you say that. Feeling better today. Hugo is gaining again, Valentina now lost 6% but they're not worried and I can officially ditch the formula! Just ebm top ups. And I (alone) got me, DD and the twins dressed and breakfasted by 9am today.... School run for DD will be 8.20am, but I don't need to do that myself for a couple of weeks...

Woohoo! Well done! Good for you. And I am seriously impressed at the getting dressed thing. I was in pjs for at least 5 weeks. I left the house about 3 times in the first month!

It gets better, those first 3 months are dark! "What have I done" entered my mind plenty of times! I found that the shock wore off around week 14. Different things become difficult. I am now trying to chase after two of them around the living room!

Cheerymum Mon 16-Sep-13 00:31:13

Wow legally, that is an amazing achievement! I am seriously impressed!
Tuesday section for me, and I'll be joining all you twin mommas on the other side xx

Cheerymum Mon 16-Sep-13 06:54:17

Quick question - those who have had an elective section - how have you found it? I am heading that way fast and it is NOT what I wanted at all - but my obstetrician is not at all keen on induction with MCDA twins as there is an unquantifiable risk to twin 2 (I agree, no data I can find to support its safety) and I don't dare just wait and see because of the small but significant risk of late stillbirth which climbs from here with MCDA, so it seems to be my least worst option unless I go into labour today. No signs so far.
How was the wound in the early days with twins, and the first part of the recovery? Need some reassurance really.

andadietcoke Mon 16-Sep-13 07:17:42

Hello lovely, I also had massive panics the day before my section. Fainted at the pre op from anxiety!!

So, my ELCS was delayed a little bit due to an emergency, but I was first on the list. I didn't like not being in control once the spinal was in, but the team were very good (although they did nearly forget to get DH!!). The actual procedure was fine. No discomfort other than shivering and some nausea but they controlled that with IV fluids.

So, recovery... I was given oramorph post-op, as well as paracetamol and ibuprofen. My ELCS was at 10am. I bf twin 1 on my back because I couldn't sit up back on the delivery suite. I remember sitting up on the ward and my bum was still numb so I couldn't shuffle up if that makes sense - it was that that stopped me rather than the pain. I slept well, with very little pain, but the girls were in NICU so I wasn't stretching to pick them up etc and could just sleep. At 5am the next morning they took the catheter out and I had to go in the shower. Standing up straight was challenging and I shuffled to the shower and back in a fair amount of pain. Other than that I was just wheeled down to NICU and back, but standing over the incubators hurt a lot - I think I over did it a little bit at that stage.

Saying that though, my wound has healed very well. I'm fully mobile and can run up and down the stairs, crawl around on the floor etc. I can stamp my emergency stop foot and jump off the bottom stair (tests my friend was given for driving after a csection). I would say that I was getting towards 100% - was probably 80% at discharge from hospital after 6 days. I do wonder though whether that's down to the girls being in NICU.

Cheerymum Mon 16-Sep-13 07:46:08

Thanks so much Anda, that's exactly the kind of experience/story I was after. I'm sure it won't be as bad as my worst fears, but I do feel really miserable and anxious about it. I know I just need to toughen up about it and focus on the bigger picture, but I'm finding that hard to do.
Reassuring that you already feel so much better. xx

Cheerymum Mon 16-Sep-13 07:46:36

Thanks so much Anda, that's exactly the kind of experience/story I was after. I'm sure it won't be as bad as my worst fears, but I do feel really miserable and anxious about it. I know I just need to toughen up about it and focus on the bigger picture, but I'm finding that hard to do.
Reassuring that you already feel so much better. xx

Cheerymum Mon 16-Sep-13 07:46:56

Oops double post

Cornwall73 Mon 16-Sep-13 08:33:11

I always knew I was going to opt for a c section so was mentally prepared and gave me time to organise everything at home as well as family support for the first few weeks.

I managed to tandem BF in recovery with the help of pillows and very good student midwives. I felt numb and very achy but the thrilled hormones at having our very longed for babies with us just took over. When in the ward I was on pain killers and encouraged to stay in bed until the next morning when the catheter came out. My big problem was trapped wind which was utterly miserable and I had to have liquid morphine for. I also downed peppermint tea (not if you are BF) and started talking little walks around the ward to ease it all out. The scar out tender and I moved tenderly but the more I moved the better I felt. Coughing and s eezing hurt though so curl over a pillow! At home I had changing gear in the livng room, nursery and our bedroom - the first two at waist height to minimise bending. Recovery has been good and must say that we have been for little daily walks since day 5 and gradually built up to walks of an hour plus last weekend. A month on I feel pretty normal but feel I did over do the bending as have had the baskets on the living room floor for example and the muscles on the right hand side of my shoulder and back are painful by the evening. Good luck with your c section!

Legally congratulations on getting out!!

legallyblond Mon 16-Sep-13 08:58:33

Cheery, v little time but....

The pre op time (I was waiting for 5 hours) was surreal - take a book!

The op itself was cold and shivery and uncomfortable with lots and LOTS of tugging to get twin 1 our (he was engaged). I was achy but not at all nauseous at any stage during or after. By the end of the op, I couldn't exactly feel pain but it was achy as they did final stitches.

Post op I had them with me the whole time so did have to shuffle bend and pick up a bit. Same drugs as Anda. Honestly? First 36 hours were hard, especially the obligatory loo/shower trips. BUT, tell yourself (I didn't know this!) that by the same time tomorrow, you will feel totally fine, just a bit tender. Honestly! By 48 hours I was gone enough to walk to and from the hospital dining room, bend and pack my hospital bags, do all bathroom things etc etc. now, 6 days on, feel about 80% with dine pain only in awkward positions and at the end of the day.

legallyblond Mon 16-Sep-13 10:29:11

Oh and really, really recommend taking arnica and peppermint oil from straight after the op. I didn't have the trapped wind problem, I think because of the peppermint oil tablets.

Cheerymum Mon 16-Sep-13 14:16:47

Thanks all for the advice, experience and support. I'm sure it will be ok. Bit worried about them hoiking twin 1 out as she's so low I have been able to feel her head in my bum for a couple of months and they can't even get an US picture/measurements of it because it's so far engaged!! But I'm sure it's nothing new for them. Have lined up support at home so should be alright. Just need to suck it up and get on with it now, I guess!

legallyblond Mon 16-Sep-13 14:51:41

Twin 1 (Hugo) was also v engaged and there was a Lou of hoiking - it was literally a two man job!!!! But if you expect that, just breathe, and she'll be out before you know it. I didn't expect it so worried something might be wrong, but still didn't panic and just deep breaths... Took about 10 mins to get him out, then twin two popped out in 1 min!!

legallyblond Mon 16-Sep-13 14:53:15

That's a lot of hoiking and pulling - four large surgeon hands in there did it!

Cheerymum Wed 18-Sep-13 23:02:40

Just to let you guys know, Luisa and Carlotta were born yesterday afternoon. Approx 2 and 2.5 kg respectively. All doing well xx

andadietcoke Thu 19-Sep-13 03:08:51

Congratulations!! Lovely names. How are you?

legallyblond Thu 19-Sep-13 07:36:35

Well done Cheery!!!! How was it? How are you and they doing? Are they with you or in special care for a bit?

Also, Lingua, meant to say, re the top ups, is there any scope for convincing the powers that be (paeds?) that top ups if ebm would be sufficient.... Might be less loaded for you than topping up on formula. If Vally has gained again today, it's bye bye to top ups totally and we'll just be bf in demand.... Crossing everything!!

legallyblond Thu 19-Sep-13 07:39:57

On and Cornwall, meant to say that I'll def be out of the house by 10!!!! School run at 8.15am, and went back to doing that yesterday!

Cheerymum Thu 19-Sep-13 09:43:50

Good thanks! Glad we opted for the C section in the end as there is some evidence of mild TTT in the babies, so it's a good job I didn't labour. V tired now! But euphoric that they are safely here x

legallyblond Thu 19-Sep-13 11:03:34

Great Cheery! So glad you made the right choice.

I am also v happy with the elcs choice.... Twin two was footling breech and everyone has confirmed that if I had delivered twin 1 naturally, I would definitely, no doubt about it, have needed an emcs for twin 2....

Cheerymum Fri 20-Sep-13 19:30:34

We are all doing well, hopefully home tomorrow.
The girls were a little bit fragile - one with polycythaemia and both jaundiced, so I've had to shovel in extra fluid to help flush their little systems through a bit. We are awaiting a final set of blood tests and hopefully the paediatricians will give us the green light to take them home.
I feel euphoric and invincible - baby blues due in 24-48 hours I should think! But so so happy.
V glad we had the c-section - they might have struggled much more if they had a hard time in labour, so I should be very thankful really.
Hope all you others are doing ok - I know things will get harder when reality strikes xx

littleomar Wed 25-Sep-13 14:11:40

Hello and congratulations on all the new arrivals.

I posted ages ago when everyone was a lot further along and suddenly I'm 31+4 so I thought I would see if anyone was still around to revive the thread.

I'm booked for induction on 1 November if they haven't arrived by then. My older two were a tiny bit early (3 days and 5 days) so I'm hoping I will go into labour spontaneously. Got high hopes for full moon on 19 October!

The pregnancy has gone smoothly until the last couple of weeks - I've hit a wall of exhaustion and my brain has stopped working. I've also got pregnancy diabetes and I'm slightly/very anaemic depending on which HCP is looking at the results.

My worry at the moment is the delivery - I need to talk through with the consultant how things work. I am worried about the usual stuff - I want to labour (and preferably deliver although I recognise that might not be an option) upright so I don't want to go straight to full epidural, also worried about forceps use which is being discussed on another thread now. I'm prepared for the possibility that T1, who is currently head down, might not stay that way, but I've made my peace with CS if that happens.

I've also been thinking about breastfeeding two - I went to a really useful TAMBA seminar last weekend and have started to consider the logistics of expressing if I need to go there.

Would love to hear from anyone else at the same stage.

Hi littleomar

There are a few women in the ante natal section who are expecting twins in November.

Good luck!

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