Twins Club 5! All welcome! :-)

(243 Posts)
mandasand Mon 24-Sep-12 00:35:44

Hello! I was a relative newcomer to the last Twins Club thread. I thought I should start a new thread as the last one I filled up with a bit of chatter towards the end. The last thread was really useful to learn from others also carrying multiples and to get the benefit of recent 'graduates' (when they had a minute between sleeping and feeding newborns!)

I'm 37 and 16+5 with twins. I live in Oxfordshire with DH and these are our first children!

Be lovely to get some chatter going on the thread so please come and introduce yourselves :-)

mandasand Mon 24-Sep-12 00:44:58

PS Twins Club 4 thread is here:

Just to continue our conversation from the last thread, gardenpixies ... v. relieved to hear you've got your bag packed, just in case!

DH wants to keep the sex a surprise and I'm pretty happy with that. We had a private scan at 8 weeks as I wanted to know, for sure, that I was definitely pregnant! That's when we found out it was twins. Like yours it was a really nice experience - we were the only clients in and it was out in the countryside, plus the doc gave us a whole hour. Lovely. 12-week scan was great as they look more like babies by that stage, but it was NHS and pretty brief. I have cervix scan in about 10 days (at which I'm hoping I can sneak a peak at the babies?) then the big one at 20 weeks. Time is positively rushing on now I'm in the 2nd trimester!

fastscooter Mon 24-Sep-12 16:31:28

Hi - I am 17 weeks preg with DCDA girl twins. Little sisters to DS1 and DS2.....

mandasand Mon 24-Sep-12 17:15:54

Welcome fastscooter. Ours are DCDA too. We're going to leave the sex a surprise till the big day.

I'm 17 weeks tomorrow. Have you been feeling any movements yet? I haven't, but have been told this may be because the placentas are both anterior.

Thanks for starting a new thread mandas. I always wanted a surprise but finding out it was twins was surprise enough so we decided to go for it and find out the gender. Such a lovely day.

Welcome scooter 4DC, how lovely smile Mine are girls too.

3 of us with DCDA twins!

My info: Twins will be DC1&2, I am 33 and live in Cheltenham, Gloucestershire.

Natalietwins Mon 24-Sep-12 18:50:05

Hi I am new to this thread 34weeks pregnant with non identical girls bring on there arrival x

ladythatlunches Mon 24-Sep-12 19:58:34

Hello everyone, I have my ID girls as there 9 months old, also have 20 month old dd and a 9year old ds and 6yr dd

How exciting that you are all exspecting, such an amazing time for you all smile congratulations

Thanks lady smile You must be a busy women with your 5 DC!

Welcome to the thread Natalie. How many DC do you already have?

Off to see the midwife in 20 minutes. Also have a scan on Friday and seeing consultant next Wednesday for steroid injections. I just hope they don't decide to make an entrance before I get the steroids. Does anyone know where you get them, bum or thigh?

Natalietwins Tue 25-Sep-12 15:29:10

Hya these are my first so I have no clue what to expect me an my dp are very excited x

ladythatlunches Tue 25-Sep-12 15:55:02

Hi garden, the injections are in your thigh, they don't hurt having them done just slightly after a little sting!!

Oh yes very busy smile I enjoy every minute of it, they have the cutest little personalities make it all worth it

Hello - not sure if I joined the last thread, but I am 19 wks with DCDA twins. Another set to add to the list!

20 week scan next week, still no movement here either (also anterior placentas) but I have growed tons in the past 2 weeks so I think things are defo developing.

I haven't had a cervix scan - is that normal? Was told at 12 weeks that it looked fine so maybe they were happy enough. Will mention it next week.

This week's lovely symptom is stress incontinence (when I sneeze). God, how embarrassing. Have restarted pelvic floor exercises at odd moments and girding my loins pre-sneeze, which is all helping. I think maybe I was just caught off guard and hadn't realised the extent of the general loosening that was going on!

mandasand Tue 25-Sep-12 17:04:40

Hey, nice to see so many people popping in!

Cor, lots of DCDA twins on here - fab!

Maybe we should have a stats thread too once a few more people join us?

How have you found your first nine months with your twin girls, ladythatlunches? But it sounds like you've had plenty of experience with your older three! Hats off to you! (The twins are our first children!)

Scan on Friday will be nice, gardenpixies! I've got my cervix scan next week (sorry, think I said that already).

Glad I'm not the only one not feeling movement Free! I'm 17 weeks today. And bloomin' HUGE!! Which, like you, I take to be a positive sign! I wouldn't worry about not having a cervix scan because I think mine (at 18 and 22 weeks) are to do with my medical history (a D&C that didn't quite go to plan).

I too gird my loins before sneezing, but only because I can get the sharpest pains down there if I don't - they bring tears to my eyes! Youch!

Celestia Tue 25-Sep-12 17:22:03

Hello, I'm 35+4 with dcda boy/ girl twins smile. I had my last scan and consultant appointment today and got given my c section date as both twins are next Friday (5th) is d-day!

These will be #2 & 3 for us. Our dd is 5.5 and very excited about becoming a big sister!

ladythatlunches Tue 25-Sep-12 19:18:17

The first nine months har been a mixture, the first 3 mi ths with the girls were hard, obviously recovering from csection (first one) and just the tiredness and gettin in to a routine was hard work, but once the girls turned 3 months it was like a happy switch had been turned on!!

They are such happy girls always smiling smile

To all that haven't felt movements for the first time, please don't fret, my girls were my 4/5 baby and being twins you would think you feel tem more but I didn't till near 20 weeks, with my single I felt them a lot earlier.

Hello Celestia and Free - more DCDA twinnies!

Celista how did you get your consultant to agree to a section at 37 weeks? Mine insists on me waiting until 38+0! I am really struggling now. Just wondering if I should be a bit more pushy with what I want?

Celestia Tue 25-Sep-12 20:03:48

I didn't really have to say anything to be honest, he just said it'd be at 37 weeks. Sorry yours is saying 38 weeks. You could try quoting NICE guidelines which say 37 weeks for dcda twins but unfortunately they are 'guidelines' so may not hold any weight sad.

ShesADreamer Wed 26-Sep-12 00:09:51

Hi all.
16 weeks with dcda twins. DT1 almost certainly a boy and DT2 stubbornly modest!
Also have DS (11) and DD (2).
Very glad to be past the worst of the nausea & tiredness, was lucky enough not to get either in previous pregs.

Lovely to meet you all!

mandasand Wed 26-Sep-12 09:37:36

<waves to new arrivals on the thread!>

seems like most have had or are having a c-section. were you offered any other choice with twins? my local midwife tells me I will prob have one regardless, but my consultant at the high risk clinic said it depends and basically was a lot more open-minded. But I'd already come round to the idea of a c-section because it avoids a double labour, and I really don't want to have a vaginal delivery with one and then end up in theatre for baby 2.

Be interesting to hear how others came to decide on c-section.

Welcome Dreamer smile

Interesting how delivery of twins is so different from one hospital to the other. I did read about 37 weeks in the NICE guidelines but when I mentioned this to my consultant (who is lovely and listens very intently to me), he moved very close to me and made close eye contact with me. He then held my hands and said that there is a big difference in how their lungs will cope and whether they will need special care or not at 38 weeks compared to 37 weeks. Was strange but weirdly comforting. I gave in and agreed with him. Not so sure now though.

Mandas I would very much like a natural birth. What puts me off is the need for constant monitoring of the babies hearts. So very little walking and moving around. I would like an active labour and don't want to be stuck on my back for hours. Plus it is now so uncomfortable to be on my back for 5 minutes let alone hours at a time. I also don't want to be induced, this is why I asked for an elective section, however, have discussed with consultant that if twin 1 is head down when I go into labour then I will go for the natural birth. Had midwife yesterday and she thinks both are still transverse, I agree with her. Will see what scan says on Friday. It is all I can think of at the moment. Plus my bump is so sore and I feel like I am lugging it about. I am ready to meet these babies now.

mandasand Wed 26-Sep-12 10:42:07

gardenpixies, you mirror my thoughts here - if a vaginal delivery then I would want an active labour too, not stuck on my back. Been reading a lot about it and it sounds much better all round. But I admit I didn't know (being quite naive about it all at this stage!) about the extra monitoring etc but that makes sense, there being 2 in there! Hmm.

Oh crikey, my bump has been getting a bit heavy lately and I've soooo long to go! Not quite halfway, I think, at 17 wks!

I'm already struggling slightly to put my socks on, and my knuckle bone on right fott is now starting to hurt (in addition to left hip) and I think it's pregnancy induced bunion! Plus my veins on my left calf are sticking out. And I've lost my dear little belly button! I had a bit of cry last night with DH as it's a bit scary not being in charge of my body anymore! I know how pathetic this must sound to those who are much further along or who already have kids but being pregnant feels like one incremental adjustment after another till you no longer bother to put yourself first - in other words, a good training for motherhood!

ladythatlunches Wed 26-Sep-12 12:01:09

Hi everyone,

The guidelines for twins are - identical babies must go no further than 37 weeks!!! I was told csection is a must given the risk to twin 2 was far to much for me even to consider natural labour!

No identical I'm sure no later than 38 weeks and you are aloud natural labour if both babies are head down!!!

This is what I was told, not sure if it's different in different areas!

hedgehogpatronus Wed 26-Sep-12 12:06:07

Hello, can I join in?

I have identical twin girls born at 32+2 and who are now nine months corrected. They are brilliant and wonderful and bloody hard work!

Being pregnant with twins was the best thing ever (think I've repressed the discomfort, sickness and sheer stretching), and I'd love to get some nostalgia going hearing about all of your experiences.

mandasand Wed 26-Sep-12 18:37:08

lady that lunches, thanks for that. I'll see what the hospital say when I'm a bit further along. Everything's happening in November - next appt with the consultant, NCT classes, parentcraft-with-twins night at the hospital etc so by December I should have a better idea myself smile

welcome hedgehog! I've always wondered what e.g. 'nine months corrected' means. Is is something to do with premature/original due date? (Sorry, am totally clueless, but learning fast!)

my right foot is a lot less sore today. been walking around (at home, not in this foul weather!) in my Birenstocks, for the extra arch support, and socks - a great look, I think you'll all agree!

ladythatlunches Wed 26-Sep-12 20:29:39

Hi hedgehog, my girls are 9 months old too, how are you finding it all?

My two aren't moving about yet so I'm sure the hardest bit is yet to come smile

Aspiemum2 Wed 26-Sep-12 23:22:42

Hi ladies, I have 4 month old b/g twins born just shy of 39 weeks. Spontaneous vaginal delivery. Was nice and quick (thankfully as you do have to be monitored)

It's been a roller coaster ride all ready but so much fun. They are interacting with each other a lot know which is ace to watch.

For those finding the bump a bit heavy, get a bump belt. Eases the pressure a bit. Last couple of months are hard, plenty of pillows at night is a must!

Will look forward to birth announcements in due course grin

ShesADreamer Wed 26-Sep-12 23:52:10

Hi all,
Just like Pixies, I'm quite keen to avoid a cs as don't like the thought of the post op recovery with existing DCs plus newborns.

Was told that, as I'd had two very straightforward previous births, there should be no probs with attempting to deliver the twins naturally. My hosp has mobile monitoring so you're allowed to move around the room if all is going well.
They did say they'd prefer me to have an epidural before pushing out DT1 in case I need assistance for DT2.

If they're breech, I'll need to discuss at the time to see what's best but they haven't necessarily ruled it out.

Mandas, not pathetic at all - I think you'd be odd not to be freaked out by all the changes. Despite having other DCs, I'm finding the prospect of a multiple preg and delivery a bit daunting. It feels very different and almost like the first time as there are so many unknowns.

Hope you get a lovely (double) dose of second trimester happy hormones soon!

Really good to hear from those whose DTs are already here. Especially sounding so happy. Am getting a bit fed up with people involuntarily saying 'Oh my god!' or even 'Oh no!' when I say I'm expecting two.

Aspiemum2 Wed 26-Sep-12 23:56:54

Yes you do get that a lot, double trouble?? Not even remotely - double joy hmm try quadruple! Wouldn't change a thing grin

mandasand Thu 27-Sep-12 07:14:56

Aspiemum2 welcome! I am envious of your excellent delivery - well done! I think it must be the most exciting thing seeing baby twins interact. I got a book delivered from Amazon yesterday called The Social Baby which tells you how to recognise signs of communication … and I got quite teary thinking of two!

Thanks, Dreamer! Actually, I am (amidst all my grizzles) awash with happy hormones. I am ridiculously goofy-in-love with DH - quite funny actually as we're normally quite loved up but this is ridiculous! And I am hugely in love with my bump too. Feels a lot nicer than my grumbly and worried first few weeks with lots of cramping and anxiety!

I just laugh at people who go on about twins being hard work - that was my reaction right from the beginning during the 8 week scan when we were just hoping to find one little baby-in-progress in there and I've not stopped being utterly delighted with the idea since. It's perfect! And weirdly it was what I desperately wanted in the three months of trying. My ovaries must have been having their last gasp!

Happy Thursday everyone!

soon2bmumof3 Thu 27-Sep-12 07:42:20

Hi All, can I join too? I'm 35 weeks today with non identical boys. Really uncomfortable and tired but excited for their arrival. Already have a DS who is 2.8 and finding it tough coping with the terrible twos being mahoosively pregnant! Started a half hearted attempt at toilet training with him this week as i finished work but ive already abandoned it, havent the energy, poor child will be Going to school in nappies at this rate grin I'm probably having a section too - they've said between 37 and 38 weeks but I should get date at scan next week. Uncomfy as I am I'd like them in there for as long as possible really, last thing we want is for them to be in SCBU. Not looking forward to c section recovery though, I had EMCS with DS after a grim 3 day induction and was a broken woman for weeks. Hoping ELCS won't be as bad!

mandasand Thu 27-Sep-12 10:40:40

welcome soon! crikey, hats off to you (and others) coping with the terrible twos whilst pregnant with twins! I really know nothing, but am reliably informed that planned sections is easier to recover from than emergency one. hope you will be able to call on some help in the first couple of months as you recover smile I'm only 17 weeks and already feeling massive! slightly nervous about quite how big I am going to get ... !

Have my 34 week scan this morning. Wondering how big the babies are now. Will let you know later on.

Have a good day everyone smile

Aspiemum2 Fri 28-Sep-12 21:34:44

How did the scan go?

Natalietwins Sat 29-Sep-12 00:43:34

Hi every1 35 weeks tomorrow can not wait now, have to go for iron injections next week not looking forward to them at all but I can not seem to keep the tablets down, so so sick at the moe really can not wait to meet my girls now so close to the end x

bernadette1980 Sun 30-Sep-12 10:44:31

Hi would like to join I have non Iden girls who are now 10 weeks and 4 older sons my girls were born by planned section at 37+6 weeks an the lady who asked mine was top if bum for steroid jabs altho there's diff ones I think I had mine 24 hours apart but they some that are given 12 hours apart so don't know whether that makes a diff. Hope all you mummys to be are doing well

DigestivesWithPhiladelphia Sun 30-Sep-12 21:35:27

Hi everyone!

I was on the other thread briefly. I am 23 weeks with DCDA twins, I haven't found out the sexes. The pregnancy is going well for the twins and they are growing well.

It has been a scary week for me, as I've been breathless and had a high pulse for about six weeks but I thought it was down to a twin pregnancy. The GP's thought I had a chest infection that wouldn't clear. In the end I booked in with my consultant for advice & she sent me to be investigated for a pulmonary embolism (blood clot on the lungs). The Drs kept telling me it was VERY unlikely to have this - I have no risk factors other than pregnancy. Then the scan came back positive for clots of both lungs sad. I should be fine now as I'm injecting blood thinners twice a day bug it is scary to think I was walking around with the clots for weeks without knowing.

I am glad to be home from hospital & I'm keeping my fingers crossed that this was be the only complication & that the rest of the pregnancy will be very smooth.

Hello everyone!

Congratulations on your pregnancies smile

I started twins club 3, and now my dcda boys are 6 months on Wednesday. They're smiley, interactive and fab. DT1 is on the move and rolling, DT2 more a watcher and a thinker- he lies there like a little pudding! My DD has just turned 2 this month.- have to say, there was no miraculous easing of the workload having 3 under 3 rather than 3 under 2, but she's delighted with her brothers.

I had my boys by planned CS at 37+6 and it was ace. I'd had a difficult delivery with DD, and third degree tear and i healed better and faster after my CS. So no need to panic. Of course a normal delivery with no complications would be best recovery wise, but I wasn't ever going to be induced again and wasn't willing to risk re-tearing. I don't regret my CS decision and had a lovely birth. I'd definitely hang on to as near 38/39 weeks as possible, the stats for babies' doing well are so much better for 38 than 37. Think I was told 6% of 37 weekers need some help (scbu) compared to 1.5% of 38 weekers. My consultant was keen for me to get near 38. If you don't go into labour earlier of course grin

Hi to all, was going to write more, using phone to distract ill but sleep refusing DT1 but he's wailing....

Oh, and btw, all those whose twins are here, there's a twins under one post natal thread in multiple births too smile

Cheeka Tue 02-Oct-12 23:58:37

Hi everyone, Can I join? Found out that I'm expecting DCDA twins last Friday at my 12 week scan!!still gob smacked and struggling to take it in. I'm getting more and more excited about the prospect, but also worrying slightly about coping as I have a 20mth DS (who was a very difficult baby...)

I do have a quick question about scans, after the 12wk nuchal scan last week, I discovered I forgot to hand in the yellow card back to reception.too dazed! i think it had the sonographers notes on it. It said NEEPS NUCHAL, 12.10.12
I did go back to reception to Book my 20 wk scan ( as directed by my midwife at booking in appt) but now i'm wondering if the yellow card instructed an earlier scan because of the twins discovery. In your experience, did you ladies get an extra scan in before week 20 but after week 12? I guess this depends on the hospital. I'm at whipps x in London....

mandasand Wed 03-Oct-12 20:24:27

hello cheeka! congrats! I'm 18 weeks with twins and have a scan for my cervix tomorrow, I think because these are first children so they want to check it's coping! then another in two weeks, then every 4 weeks I think. So you should get more scans...

Nice to have you with us! xx

doublemuvver Wed 03-Oct-12 20:28:44

Hiya i have boy/girl twins 4.5 yrs, just started school. Can't remember anything of first 3 months! It's all been great, really positive, the kids are bright, happy and really love one another. Luckily I am quite organised which I think helps if you have any amount of children! They are also bilingual, being dual heritage and have embraced DH's culture with abandon. Have brought them up the same but DS is a real boy and DD very girly! All quite fascinating.

bernadette1980 Thu 04-Oct-12 04:39:10

Hi everyone just a quick q for those with twins already does anyone find 1 baby a lot more demanding elisha as started screaming pretty much every time she's put down espec it seems whem I pick livia up now livia as a lot slower to feed to start with but now so much longer as I have to keep stopping to calm elisha down any tips there 11 weeks so although too young really to leave to cry but when I've thought well I've got no choice elisha just gets too worked up

thereistheball Thu 04-Oct-12 08:38:00

Hi, lovely to meet you. I would be 35+1 today but my non-ID boys arrived 6 weeks ago at 29 weeks. They are in intensive care and doing well. I have a 5 year old DD so I can't be with them as much as I'd like. I hope we'll be able to get them home in early November, when they would have been at term (for a singleton). Schlepping to and from the hospital is a long old slog but nothing like as hard work, I imagine, as having them at home.

I'm going to read through this thread properly now, since my bus apparently won't arrive for another 30 minutes <grrrr>

Hello. Just had 20 wk scan and all is well, also found out we are having a girl and a boy. Soooo exciting!

mandasand Fri 05-Oct-12 01:31:49

Hi everyone! nice to see so many expecting-mummies and new-multiple-mummies here smile

I had my 18-week cervix scan today and all my recent fears were completely obliterated by the fact that my cervix is a very robust 4cm!

Sonographer spent much more time showing us the babies' feet and hands! One was just swallowing (asleep?) but the other one was going like the clappers - arms and legs flexing in all directions!

She knew the sex but we are trying to keep it a surprise.

So excited we get to see them again in two weeks' time for the anomaly scan. Time is really racing by now!

bernadette1980 Fri 05-Oct-12 04:28:39

Glad all scans are going well and congrats freebutton on 1 of each

Hi everyone,

I had my daughters on Saturday evening, very unexpectedly! Both girls doing very well. Went in for a routine scan on Friday morning to discover twin 1 had lost her fluid. They admitted me in straight away and monitored the babies heart rates. Babies were doing well but they planned a section for 10am on Sunday as one baby was transverse and one breech. At 4pm on Saturday I started getting contractions and they whipped them out by section at 6pm, they were 34+5.

Georgina born at 6.06pm weighing 5.7 and Megan born at 6.08pm weighing 6.1. They were big for twins and luckily I had both steroid injections in time to help their lungs develop. Neither needed help with breathing. They spent 2 nights in the NICU with a feeding tube, glucose drip and they needed antibiotics. Since then they have been moved to a nursery for monitoring and only have their feed tubes in now. Both have tried breast feeding and have latched on but they fall asleep very quickly. The Neo Natal Unit at the hospital have offered us transitional care, it starts this evening. I will be on a ward with 3 other mothers who have prem babies and I will look after them myself for as long as it takes me to become comfortable in caring for them. I need to establish breastfeeding so they can have their feed tubes removed, the best way is lots practice. I am home now packing our bags to finally become a full time mum!

Hope everyone is well.

Natalietwins Fri 05-Oct-12 19:13:18

O gardenpixies32, congrats hun glad they are doing well wow what a suprise that must of bin for you, am 36 weeks now and still moaning ha, lost my plug and had a show for the last 2 days so the end could be near for me not to sure though just have to wait and see what happens, good luck with them hun well done x

Oh congrats gardenpixies. What great weights theybare - hopefully they will learn to feed quickly. I hear being a bit bigger means they have more energy to feed. I'm sure it was all v worrying but glad they are doong well.

Starting to feel more movement here - lots of flipping and bubbles. Very exciting.

mandasand Fri 05-Oct-12 21:14:36

congratulations gardenpixies! so happy both babies are safely with you and with such great weights. I'm sure they will be home with you before long! yay!

MrsSBL Fri 05-Oct-12 21:20:11

evening everyone... ok if i join? 21 wks with girl/boy twins, have a DD aged 5 who is delighted about our impending new additions. another scan due in 2 weeks, looking forward to seeing them again!

bernadette1980 Sat 06-Oct-12 04:49:09

Congrats gardenpixie fab weights glAd your all doingg well

Natalietwins Sat 06-Oct-12 13:25:53

Hya girls just a quick 1. I had my show and lost my plug bout 3 days ago now woke up 2day with bad cramps still no water braking though I am 36 weeks with my girls I don't no what to expect what a contraction feels like and am getting a lil more pressure down below feet have swelled up loads to what douse any1 think are my baby's close what did other mums experience? X

mandasand Sat 06-Oct-12 23:05:56

Exciting, Natalie! I have no idea! Phone your midwife if you don't get the advice you need on here, I think. Good luck! Let us know how you get on :-) Thinking of you...

Queenmarigold Mon 15-Oct-12 09:51:21

Hi all,

I think i would like a CS birth. I can't get my head around giving birth to 2. And I don't think my body is up to it - stress incontinence and pain since birth of DC1.

However midwife and consultant are 'refusing' me.

Any advice? Is it me being psychologically unprepared? Or am I right and I know my own body best??


queenmarigold, I had a third degree tear and slow recovery after my DD and i chose an elcs for my twins. Consultant was perfectly happy for me to try for a natural delivery, but I thought with the increased risk of instrumental/ assisted delivery of twin 2 I wasn't prepared to risk re-tearing with the potential long term continence issues etc so stated if I went into labour early I'd try for a natural delivery- pre 35 weeks- but past that, with bigger babies, I wanted elcs. I got to 37+6 and had my planned section and it was great, great recovery for me too. I do think you know your own body and if you've those issues already, and want a CS I'd argue bloody hard for it. I'm sure you've weighed up the pros and cons yourself!

mandasand Thu 18-Oct-12 14:27:12

Just checking in to say we had a really good 20-week scan today. Everything looks to be good. Both breech at the mo with heads above my belly button now! Cute as pie, elbowing and prodding each other smile Not long now - best start painting and buying stuff for the nursery! Hope everyone else is doing well.

Good news Mandas smile

I am tired but madly in love with my girls. I cannot believe they are mine!
Endless feeding and nappies but it is lovely getting to know them. I am amazed but how different they are already!

mandasand Thu 18-Oct-12 16:04:28

gardenpixies that sounds absolutely lovely and makes me even more excited about meeting our two babies! enjoy every minute smile even the knackered ones! xx

skitoo Sun 28-Oct-12 15:57:34

Hello twin mummies to be, are you still around?

I used to post on the previous twins club thread but graduated with non id boys who are just coming up 7 months - it is absolutely amazing and very special to be a twin mummy grin.

I just wanted to pop on and see if anyone would be interested in my old maternity clothes. I have a variety of tops and a few skirts/dresses/trousers both casual and smarter office wear, in sizes 8/10/small. They are from the likes of Topshop, H&M, JoJoMamanBebe, Seraphine, New Look. All in good condition, not too stretched!

I don't want any money for them but if you're interested then would just want to be reimbursed for the postage. Please pm me if you're interested and I can send you a list of what I've got.

Wishing you all the best with your pregnancies.

mandasand Sun 28-Oct-12 17:26:07

Hello and what a generous offer, skitoo! I'd love to take you up on this, but I'm a 12, bordering on a 14 on top, so not for me, I'm afraid. Cheered by your kindness, though!

Hurray that your boys are thriving! I'm now coming up to 22 weeks pregnant with my DCDA twins. We're going to leave the sex a surprise! Currently feeling grotty with a bad cold but otherwise the pregnancy is going really well smile

How's everyone else doing on here?

bernadette1980 Wed 31-Oct-12 11:18:20

Hi hope everyones doing well my girls are now 15 weeks and very tiring but soo amazing watching them both smiling and giggling altho still not paying attention to each other very often elisha had started sleeping through but was woke by livia last night was tough strange how fast you get used to not getting up to feed 2 in the night lol

Hi everyone.

An endless routine of nappies, feeding, washing and cuddles here. Girls are getting bigger and now weigh 7lb & 7lb2. Getting them weighed again on Friday.

The routine is getting better each day, babies feeding at 10pm, 2am & 6am.

Cannot believe how snuffly newborn babies are when they sleep! They sound like a choir of bull frogs, grunts, whimpers, farts and astounds me!

Have posted some photos on my profile if anyone wants a peek smile

DigestivesWithCheese Thu 01-Nov-12 13:55:16

GardenPixies - they are gorgeous! I love the one of them cuddling up together and of course, of the pumpkin hats!! Lucky you.

Oh the scrummy gorgeousness gardenpixies, they are delightful!

Can't believe my boys are 7 months in a few days... And feed/wake way more overnight than yours do!!!!! Argh!!!@ gutted smile . My DD was sleeping 12 hours by now. Ah well, they're gorgeous smiley, giggling creatures now, with very different personalities and they are really loving each other. They cuddle up, reach out for each other, giggle together, hold hands and are lovely and scratch each other sometimes, or snatch toys and make the other cry

Totally worth the hard work ladies, keep going!

mandasand Fri 02-Nov-12 00:11:12

Adorable, gardenpixies! Thanks so much for sharing! I'll be picking your brains about that relatively civilised night feeding routine in a few months' time, for sure! I've heard lots of people say that their sleepy noisiness has meant they moved into their own room sooner than expected!!

So nice to hear good, positive stories - thanks, ladies.

I am now 22 weeks and everything seems to be going well. The 20-week scan was fine. Had a panic-scan last week as I could no longer feel one of them moving (they had been either side of my belly) but - of course - they had just shifted position! And next week I'm having my 2nd cervix scan and a consultant appointment to discuss birthing options. I can't believe how quickly time is moving on! It is slowly dawning on us that we are going to have two actual babies to look after before long!

Family and friends have been great in donating cribs, cots, car seats, gumbos - the place looks like Mothercare! Mothers are in a knitting / crocheting frenzy. We're desperately trying to redecorate the house after a lazy two years of putting up with indifferent decor, knowing full well if we don't do it now we never will! But we're starting with a cleaner tomorrow which should help us keep on top of things. I know we're going to need a lot of back-up.

I'm beginning to get huge. Much, much bigger than others due at the same time from my MN-FB group! I guess that is to be expected!

fastscooter Fri 02-Nov-12 18:17:13

Hello - 22 weeks, DCDA girl twins. Have x2 DSs already, so pleased DTs girls to even numbers out at home.

Don't want my first post to be a whinge, but is anyone else utterly exhausted? I know I live with a tiny insomniac, but is this pregnancy MUCH harder than the others, or is it a girls thing?

No no fastscooter its really, really hard. My DD was 10 months old when i got pregnant with my twins, and i realised how much I sailed through in comparison- I found twin pregnancy a hard time of crippling tiredness (not helped by my DD deciding to give up sleeping...), almost constant sickness and pains, the worst for me was rib pain though many others too . Oh, and heartburn, let's not forget the heartburn smile . Ranitidine from the consultant was a godsend for that.

Oh, and my DD was first, my twin pg was twin boys!

And y y manda, I only lasted 5 weeks with the dts in my room. They're also no longer sharing a cot, they stopped at 4.5 months as they had such bad colds I wedged each as upright as possible in their own cot with a pillow under the mattress etc and mine do sleep better separately though they are still pretty shit sleepers despite being treated exactly the same as DD was who slept brilliantly by now . Panic scans, we all do them! Panic-wise I had them at 14 weeks for pain, 16 weeks for spotting, 29 weeks for lack of movement from one, and 32.5 for the same, plus various ctg monitoring at the end... My DT2 is still much quieter and calmer than his brother smile

mandasand Fri 02-Nov-12 20:15:46

I have nothing to compare it to, fastscooter, but I certainly have a lot less energy than normal! I usually have a full 12-hour day at the desk (at home, so not too bad) easily but this week, for example, I'm flaking out at 4pm, needing a big nap! Though MUCH better now in 2nd trimester than 1st when I could hardly keep eyes open, but difficult to know as doc put me on sleepy antihistamines rather than my usual ones without bloody telling me, grr!

dreaming when does the rib pain kick in?! glad it's not just me with the pain-scans! It's great having so many extra ones ordinarily, though. I feel a bit greedy compared with my expecting singleton mates on the due-in-march thread!

I'm 22 weeks and find the pressure from above my vagina area mildly alarming. At first I though cervix was opening, but no, everything seems to be fine. Don't know if it's weight of babies or related to the hip pain I started with 6 weeks ago? Physio did show me pelvic floor muscle on a skeleton model of pelvis and it's precisely there.

Must admit I've been crap at pelvic floor exercises...

No heartburn yet (or any sickness), just mild nausea in first trimester = reason to be thankful!!

Um, think about 25,26 weeks for me. I'm relatively small and carried all out at the front. Even the day I had them you couldn't tell I was pg from behind. 'Rib flare' is the worst description ever!! I did have it with DD but I had weeks and weeks of too painful to sleep with it this time... But others have none, or minimal. I don't do pg well it seems, I puked for England too, only came off anti emetics around week 20 and I was still puking then, it was just more managable, (but still bad enough work had to do a risk assessment and adjust what I did) so don't worry smile

mandasand Sat 03-Nov-12 00:39:37

Thanks, dreaming - fingers crossed I don't get the 'rib flare', yeouch!

Me too re not looking pregnant from behind, though thankfully not from vomiting. The nausea was enough to lose a bit of weight. At 16-week MW appt I had got back to my 6-week appt weight. Be interested to know what I am now though (no scales in this house!) as I'm only putting it on on the bump and everywhere else a bit thinner than usual. Weird, as am eating well now.

From the side though, goodness me! And there's a fair bit of growing got to happen yet! DH keeps trying to explain volume, weight and circumference, but I remain a bit terrified! When I freak out, though, he just says 'Babies!' and I forget about the fear smile

Night all...

DigestivesWithCheese Mon 05-Nov-12 12:06:36

Hi everyone! I'm glad to hear that I'm not the only one who is/was extremely tired. Not glad in a mean way! Just in a: "at least it's not just me being a wimp" sort if way grin

manda - I can also identify with the panic scans! I am now 28 weeks and thought I would be calmer by now. Instead I am feeling more anxious than ever. I have been to hospital twice in the last week. Once totally convinced that my waters were leaking (they weren't blush ) and then again a few days later because I couldn't feel any movement from the bottom twin.

When I went with reduced movement, the midwife couldn't get the heartbeat on monitor. She tried, then another midwife tried... For about 30 minutes. Then it flashed up a few times with a heart rate in the low 90's. they were asking "is this the baby with reduced movement?" and when they decided to bleep the Dr, I started to think there was something seriously wrong! But the Dr arrived with a little portable scanner and confirmed both babies had heartbeats and he could see movement smile. The bottom twin had just got itself in an awkward position which was why they couldn't pick up the heart beat. I'm seeing the midwife later today, fingers crossed that they baby has moved a bit so she can listen in to both of them...

I'm hoping that will be the last time I rush over to hospital thinking that something is wrong, but I'm just so scared of going into early labour & not getting steroids in time. It's lucky that midwifes are so nice and patient.

Digestives I was exactly the same. Thought I had leaking waters at 16 weeks, I didn't. But do keep an eye on it as I had very slow leaking waters at the end and didn't even notice. I had to have an emergency section at 34+5 because twin 1 had no fluid at all. All was fine though.

I also went to triage in a panic at about 30 weeks with reduced movement. All was fine again. The worries don't stop. I still worry now they are born. Doctors surgery think I am mad.

mandas, 22 weeks are getting there and will soon have 2 snuggly babbas smile

dreaming thanks smile I think they are lovely too!

mandasand Mon 05-Nov-12 20:10:53

Glad it's not just me with the panics! Gosh, yes, I bet there's even more to worry about when they arrive!

Digestives that sounds really scary with the MWs unable to find the heartbeat of one of the babies! Yikes! But 28 weeks is a GREAT place to be, I'm sure!

Garden ooh that's also alarming about the slow-leaking waters. I've had increased discharge this past week (sorry, TMI!) but it's just usual consistency not in any way watery, so I'm not worrying.

But I will mention it to the consultants tomorrow when I've got my appt in the high risk clinic. Must remember to take some food this time as I was there for about 3 hrs for my last series of appointments!!

mandasand Wed 21-Nov-12 00:21:07

I'm 25 weeks with my twin bump today and I'm just wondering if anyone else at a similar stage is getting a freaky amount of movement? I've got two anterior placentas so I didn't feel anything till 21 weeks but now, sometimes, it's as if I've got a belly full of snakes! Not just kicks and nudges now, but kind of ripples too, high up across the bump. Sometimes it's a bit much and I have to take my mind off it completely! I'm sure there's worse to come as they get bigger and stronger smile

Hope everyone's doing well?

Like two ferrets fighting in a sack manda?! I remember it well, and seeing elbows/ knees/ feet poke out later on too smile Keep on trucking!

mandasand Wed 21-Nov-12 21:49:19

Elbows, knees and feet, Dreaming?!! Not sure I can cope with that! DH had a feel before during a particularly active period and the look on his face was hilarious - it said 'I'm glad that's not me!' loud and clear!

Hope things are going well for you.

In other news, I got a brilliant bump support belt from the NHS physio today. Gives me support right up my back, though it's a bugger to get on and sit in!

mandasand Fri 23-Nov-12 22:54:40

Just another quick moan for those other twin mummies or mummies-to-be ... my bump is really, really sore sometimes. I get the odd bits of aches and pains, but soreness too, and at the moment especially the bit around my belly button which is all pushed out (and it's quite sensitive to the touch there).

I am 25 weeks and fairly big-of-bump. It feels like I'm carrying round a heavy bowling ball on the front! I'll post a pic or two on my profile as I don't think I'm any bigger than other twin mums at this stage (from careful examination of Google Images!)

I am guessing this is all completely normal as we expand at such a faster rate than iwth a singleton pregnancy, but it would be great to hear some reassurance!

Mandas I don't remember my bump ever hurting but my hips and tops of my thighs did, a lot. Everyone is different I guess. My bump was enormous at the end, by 34 weeks a tape measure couldn't fit around my gargantuan bump. Not a surprise with 12lbs of baby and two giant placentas that apparently merged into one.

I miss my bump sometimes but I don't miss the aches and pains.

Will email you photo...will make your eyes pop out!

I was huge too. My end of pregnancy photo is on my profile for an idea!! My biggest pain was my ribs. Agony. <shudders in memory>

I did get various aches, pains and stretching pains too though. The whole business is pretty uncomfortable I thought!

I want to see your pic now gardenpixies!

I'll see if I can find one of my bump around 25 weeks too...hang on!

mandasand Sat 24-Nov-12 20:36:11

Thanks Garden and Dreaming - lovely to hear how things were for you.

I'm sure this is just normal! Though today my lower back is not just sore but painful to the touch too. And have I moaned about my new (since Thursday) rash on my belly?! Argh! Actually, I am so sore and worried about this combination of symptoms that I phoned my maternity assessment unit. They were very sweet which was nice. They say the rash is probably PUPP (urticaria of pregnancy) even tho it doesn't look like the google images I've just looked up. And they are baffled by the lower back pain soreness.

I feel like a right old moaner at the moment!

Oh, and I guess waking up every 1 - 1.5 hrs during the night to turn over is normal? I can't help but think I'll be counting down the weeks if things don't ease a bit!

Gosh dreaming, you were big, but neat! And lovely babies smile Be lovely to see you pics Garden too.

Thanks so much for writing. Just nice to hear from people with experience!

FestiveDigestive Sat 24-Nov-12 21:13:35

Mandasand - I had an umbical hernia with my last pregnancy because I stretched so much so quickly & my muscles split apartt. It's back this time as well and your description sounds quite similar...

Basically, my belly button just looks really "popped out" and the area all around it feels tender - if I feel around it I can feel a sort of hole underneath shock It hasn't actually caused me any problems & although my Dr mentioned surgery last time (if it didn't go after the pregnancy) it did disappear by itself afterwards. Your consultant should be able to tell, they kind of poke it and make you cough at the same time to confirm it (from what I remember). I think it does add an extra ache to your bump though as mine often feels sort of bruised & tender.

FestiveDigestive Sat 24-Nov-12 21:20:53

Dreamingofpeace - I've just looked at your bump photo, that's am amazing bump!! People keep pointing at my bump (31 weeks, measuring 41) & saying "you can't get any bigger than that". Now I've seen your photo, I've seen that it is possible grin I can't imagine it. I actually got stuck in the bath earlier - on my back like a beached whale - and had to call DH to come & shift me onto my side so I could get my balance back and get out! We've got a big deep bath, I think I will had to avoid it for a while.

Lovely to see your twins together - when I see a photo like that it makes all the discomfort seem worthwhile & I start to actually feel excited and believe that I will have two babies at end! Despite all the scans, I am still struggling to get my head around there being two.

mandasand Sun 25-Nov-12 01:26:54

Oh Festive I had to smile at your story of getting stuck in the bath! My hips are a bit dodgy and DH has to help me up all the time. Boo! Nice you're just a few weeks ahead of me (I'm 25wks).

Festive, oh dear, yes. That sounds v. possible re bely button hernia. sad Will show doc this week when I go in for my (week late) 25wk appt. Hope yours is okay.

Oh, I had that too, diastasis of my stomach muscles, I could feel bits bulging out. Definitely uncomfortable. Was diagnosed while i was pregnant, after having my boys I had wider than a 5 finger gap in my muscles. Don't know what it is now, but I'm just not finding the time or energy to do the exercises as my boys still aren't sleeping hardly at all for one at 7.5 months. Gah. Think its really common with twin mums

LookAtHerGo Sun 25-Nov-12 20:48:09

Hello everyone.

May I reintroduce myself. I posted briefly in the previous twins thread, but have been busy, I'm still busy, but I'm going to try and post more when I can.

I'm 28+5 with DCDA boy/boy twins. I have a DD who is 14.5months old! Yes I know it's going to be very busy when the boys come alone.

I am massive, and getting very uncomfortable, fortunately DD is a good walker, so I get her to walk through to the bedroom for changing etc, but I still have to carry her places, which is hard with a bump that is bigger than my bump was when I was full term with her! It is all bump though, you can't tell I'm pg from behind at the moment, I'm just all out front!

I had a scan on Thursday and have polyhydramnios with one twin and borderline with the other, diabetes is ruled out and TTTS is ruled out as they are DCDA, so being scanned again in 2 weeks, to check up on things, they didn't seem concerned about it when I spoke to the Doc after the scan. Twin 1 is cephalic and very close to my cervix, twin 2 is transverse, unless the polyhydramnios becomes a massive problem then it looks very much like I'll be attempting to have a vaginal birth, as I had a 'normal' birth with my DD.

I have introduced myself to a local twins group, and have had some great info, have a good friend from there, and look forward to taking the boys there when they arrive.

I've taught my DD a trick though, I've shown her pics of babies, and she now says baby, then I point to my bump and ask her what is there and she says baby smile

Anyway, I think I've said enough now, I'll catch up again as and when smile

FestiveDigestive Mon 26-Nov-12 12:24:08

Hi LookAtHerGo smile

You are quite close to me date wise - I am 31 weeks today & counting down to my section date already, feeling huge. My twjins are also DCDA and we don't know what sex they are. I have a 7 yr old & 20 month old already and constantly have comments about having my hands full or have people asking "How will you cope? It will be SO hard". It gets a bit annoying sometimes.

Hopefully your DD will be too young to be jealous of the new babies and you will end up with a little gang of playmates when they are older. That's what I keep telling myself anyway!

Good luck with your scan.

LookAtHerGo Mon 26-Nov-12 12:50:42

Thanks festive I find a well placed smile and an 'I know, it's great, I'm looking forward to it' usually stuns the real misery guts. grin re the how will you cope comment, I just say 'I can only do my best, can't do anymore than that'

When is your section? I've no idea on my dates if I get that far, I know they'll induce somewhere between 22 and 29 jan but that's as far as I know.

Yeah, it'll be funny though as my dd is a teeny tot (9th centile) so I reckon that they'll look like triplets at some point before school then she'll probably be dwarfed by her brothers!

Hello all!

So will your DD be about 17 months when your dts are born lookathergo? My DD was 18 months, nearly 19 months, when my boys were born. I found it very hard at first because of the constant demands of bf, plus they've always been awful sleepers (& still are at nearly 8 months) but it is soooo much better now, so much more rewarding so just keep smiling through the first few months. It's easier now my DD is 2.2 and that bit more independent too. Love that they'll look like triplets in the future maybe smile

<goes back to lurking, badly, as my twins are clearly not even newborns let alone in utero>

LookAtHerGo Tue 27-Nov-12 08:50:52

I think there will be 16.5 months if I go to 37/38 weeks, official full term would have been 17 months between them. I expect it to be hard at first, juggling between a PFB who has been very used to all of my attention, feeding newborns(dd was a massive cluster feeder) and the tiredness that comes from those few weeks, my dd wasn't a great sleeper either until nearly 11 months (loads of questions from well meaning folk about her sleeping made me want to scream more than the night wakings) glad to hear its easier now even if the sleep thing is an issue.

Well 29 weeks today, counting every week as a blessing now and although its tough being so massive 'running' around after a toddler I'd rather they stay put for the duration.

Oh the cluster feeding... Don't mention the cluster feeding!! I'd say ask for meals lookathergo, when/if people ask what you'd like or if they can do anything, cooking time is non existant!! Any help entertaining your DD is great, as feeding is time consuming. Mine are up 4 times on average for one, though more last night, and 1-3 times for the other <groan> . Some coincide, some don't but they're hard to settle so I don't wake the other. And we still get out every day and cope! Best of all, DD adores her brothers grin

LookAtHerGo Tue 27-Nov-12 18:58:47

I'll avoid mentioning the cluster feeding then! Oops. Yeah, I think meals are the way forward, I seriously think we will need to get a microwave when the boys arrive, for ease of reheating things, we don't have one at the moment but I reckon it will make a big difference. I certainly don't think I'll be up to making the meals I currently do. It's nice to hear of your dd adoring her brothers. smile

mandasand Thu 29-Nov-12 11:26:18

Dare I ask what cluster feeding is?!

Currently 26+2. Regaining appetite after a patch of nausea, starting to sleep again after a few days of insomnia, but I remain very, very constipated...that is pretty much all my news! hmm

LookAtHerGo Thu 29-Nov-12 12:21:52

Oh manda, constipation sucks, I suffer with it when not pg, so far touch wood I've been generally ok in pg.

Cluster feeding, hmm, think sitting on the settee feeding from say 6pm till 10pm with only a few minutes break in between feeds, you think 'seriously you can't be hungry again' but yes they are. It's natural, builds up milk supply, but it's hard work for a while.

FestiveDigestive Thu 29-Nov-12 18:01:46

Hi all!

manda - I know how you feel, it's horrible. Lately I've had to take my DD into the toilet with me during the day as I can't leave her on her own for that long. That means that I have her chanting "Mama - Poo!!" at me, dancing around the bathroom, trying to peer into the toilet or put toys into it while I'm sitting there... it's not ideal grin

I've just been prescribed movicol - I tried lactalose (which you can buy over the counter) eating more bran, dried apricots, more water etc & nothing worked, it's been horrible. Apparently movicol is very effective - I'll let you know if it works!

I've also been for my 31 week scan today - both babies have had a bit of a spurt since the last scan and are growing nicely. By 37 weeks they should both be around 6/7lb which sounds great as they have been measuring smaller up until today. It was lovely to see them, I've only one more scan now before my c-section date, it's really feeling like it's going to happen now which is a bit scary!! [going off to try and organise hospital bag properly now...]

mandasand Thu 29-Nov-12 18:25:16

Oh Festive, I don't wish to sound mean but I really hope my constipation doesn't get as bad as yours! Must be a drain trying all that stuff and it not working. Really hope Movicol does the trick smile and hurray for nicely growing babies!

It's a bit of a new world for me as usually what happens is that I need a poo and so I go for a poo. No need to take a newspaper as it's over and done with within a minute. Now I feel like I need a poo constantly (I think I'm 'impacted', as Dr Google has it) and nothing, but nothing is happening! Trying (but not always succeeding) not to strain as I really don't want to encourage piles.

Today DH came home with Lactulose. I've taken the recommended three spoonfuls and trying to be patient but it's hard to resist the urge to swig the whole damn bottle!

Do you recommend anything, LookatHerGo? Really good that you've got some relief from it during your pregnancy! Wow - cluster feeding sounds like hard work! I really hope BF works out but not sure if my nipples are ready for the challenge of a four-hour session!

On a totally different topic, does anyone suffer from the irrational fear that one baby is doing okay (based on kicks and flumps) but that the other one has passed away? I think this is rooted in the fact that I can only feel movement in a few areas due to anterior placentas, but it's also just me being a typical worrier. I don't know if it's even medically possible for one baby to survive if the other dies. I'm sorry - it's such an emotive subject to bring up, but I do get a bit obsessed with these thoughts sometimes, especially when I've been feeling under the weather for a bit and thinking that something has happened to one of the babies. Only a scan or hearing the heartbeats puts my mind at rest.

Yes manda my twin 2 was much quieter and often I hardly got any movement. I had several ctg's and a scan at the end to check on him. Plus a placental doppler and weekly scans by the end- but that was because they thought he'd stopped growing (then decided he was fine, but when he was born he was a whole lb lighter when they'd been almost identical every scan so he had stopped growing!) . I think it was because he was the one who went breech/ transverse/ every which way, while twin 1 stayed head down, but also now they're born that's his personality too, he's quieter and less wriggly than his brother. So it could be positions, or nature of your twins, but if you're worried go in I did

mandasand Thu 29-Nov-12 21:19:11

Dreaming thanks for sharing your experience and how interesting that how babies behave in utero can reflect in their personalities smile I don't have any concerns that are reflected in any sort of reality; it's just worry and irrational fear at the moment! When I phoned the hospital's mat. assessment unit at the weekend about my intense lower back pain and rashes I really wanted them to invite me to come in. I went in once before for an emergency scan when one seemed to have stopped moving, but the little blighters had just changed position since the previous scan and there they were on the screen tousling away and I couldn't feel a thing! I just keep trying to hold on to that and not worry too much smile instead fretting about how very constipated I am

LookAtHerGo Fri 30-Nov-12 15:22:48

festive Movicol does work, I have had it in the past, in fact I've a whole box of the stuff in my cupboard. My poor DD has been prescribed it as well. I hope it works for you. Great news on the scan weights smile

manda unfortunately I'm just one of those people who finds it hard to go, whatever they eat or drink. Boiled water is supposed to be good. I didn't really every suffer with nipple problems, even though DD had tongue tie, I never had any pain feeding (until she started biting - but I nipped that in the bud) Yes to the worry about one twin over the other, I am not 100% convinced I can tell which is which unless I'm lying down, so it's hard to think well I've felt movement, If I lie down I know for sure which one is having a go, or if I concentrate, but I'm really busy with DD I miss a lot of the kicks, just by being active. I certainly don't feel twice as many movements as I did when I was pg with my Daughter! She was one very active baby! I probably feel the same amount if not slightly less than I did with her. She was active as soon as she was born, and rolling at 13 weeks, just just wanted to be on the move!

I've got a scan again on Thursday, check on the fluid levels, if they have evened out, or if I am still classed as polyhydramnios.

mandasand Sat 01-Dec-12 22:34:12

Hope the fluid levels are okay in your Thursday scan LookatHerGo - do check back in and let us know.

My friend with little boy twins came round today to drop some stuff off (she's brill!) and she showed me her belly and I was a bit shocked. She is so trim and has a flat stomach, but when she showed me the skin she described it herself as an eighty year old's belly because there is so much excess skin. I'm not normally lost for words but I didn't know what to say! Oh me oh my...

Went to Ikea this evening and was really struggling by the time we got to the till. If I'd have seen a wheelchair at the beginning I'd definitely have sat in it ...

FestiveDigestive Sun 02-Dec-12 09:18:51

lookathergo - You're right, the movicol does work! I was getting a bit impatient and swigging glasses of it every few hours but it worked in the end. One less thing to to worry about grin

manda - It's funny that you say that about your friend and her stomach; last night was the first time I really started to wonder about what my stomach will look like after this.

Obviously I've had two c-sections already so I know what my stomach looks like for the first six weeks or so afterwards (really puffy & still quite pregnant!) but I started wondering how much bigger it will be straight after the birth this time. Also about the extra skin bit... I've never had that before but then I've never stretched like this before. I'm hoping that if I end up with a flap of skin then it will be low enough for me to just tuck it into my jeans or bikini bottoms <still feeling hopeful about wearing a bikini again one>

How does your friend feel about her tummy skin? Can it be tucked away?! Or is just loose skin all over? <off to dig out the cocoa butter in the vain hope that it will make some difference to my massive stretched bump...>

mandasand Sun 02-Dec-12 11:23:59

Festive I'd really, really recommend not googling post-twin belly or 'twin skin'. I only read stuff (no pictures thank god) but that was enough to make me wake up worrying about it in the night! And there are lots of threads on here about it too - not all of which I've managed to read because they all seemed to be saying the same thing: apparently there's nothing that can be done except tuck it in sad or have a v. expensive tummy tuck. I've always had a little pot belly and quite liked the roundness of it. But it's the sagginess of skin with no purpose that makes me feel a bit queasy! And it's inevitable because of all the sudden stretching during the pregnancy. I am moisturising on the hour at the moment <exaggerating, but not much!> but it looks like even that is completely in vain sad

mandasand Sun 02-Dec-12 11:24:43

PS everyone, I'm sure you'll be pleased to hear that I've had a poo! At last! The relief ...

FestiveDigestive Mon 03-Dec-12 13:52:55

Is anyone else feeling huge?! My bump is starting to look a bit ridiculous now. For some reason, I seem to have lost body fat from everywhere else in this pregnancy (I piled it on with my other two!) so that means I have quite skinny legs and I can see my ribs at the side of the bump at the top, but the actual bump had just become HUGE!

It sticks out really far to the front so it's when people see it from the side that they really gasp in shock. I'm quite self-conscious when I go out now because I can see people looking and whispering to each other or just blatently pointing at me blush. I had my 32 week check up today and measuring 43 weeks. I am wondering of it physically possible for my skin to actually stretch anymore...

mandasand Mon 03-Dec-12 15:28:36

Hey Festive, I'm not as far along as you but I'm starting to get that full-term look. I was chatting to a woman on the street this morning and she asked me if I was expecting the baby to come before Christmas. I said, erm, first, it's babies, and no, hopefully they will stay where they are till February! She didn't know what to say!

Like you, I've lost a bit of weight elsewhere (am prob not eating enough?) but the bump is ever increasing. I've gone from size 12 pants to size 20 in a matter of months and I'm now outgrowing my size 20s which I've had for two weeks or so! They are over-the-bump pants (cheapo M&S ones) and the elastic has been really bothering my itchy bump so I've just cut the elastic either side of the waist and the relief is enormous grin

I'm 27 weeks tomorrow so you're five ahead of me. So you're measuring 43 weeks of a singleton pregnancy? Hope everything went well with the check-up? Are you waddling? Strangely, although I've still got a waddle, my hips seem to be coping a bit better than they were about a month ago.

As for going out and about, I intend to do increasingly little of it from now! Hibernation is the way forward! smile

LookAtHerGo Mon 03-Dec-12 20:04:26

Thanks manda I'll definitely let you know how it goes.

I'm glad you've both managed to poo smile a huge relief no doubt. I'm pooing blackish stuff now, from the iron tablets no doubt!

Oh yes, I feel absolutely huge, struggling greatly with the bump at the moment, I've only grown a bump, everywhere else is the same size I think. But it's all out front. I get a lot of shock looks from people. The skin on my bump has started with stretch marks in the last week, huge wide red shiny stretched skin sad

I'm 30 weeks tomorrow smile so we're all about the same in here now. smile

FreeButtonChristmasTree Tue 04-Dec-12 14:42:14


I've not been very good at keeping up with this thread. I'm nearly 30 weeks now. All fine with the babies but I am starting to get very tired. I am finishing work at Christmas and cannot wait. When are you finishing up>

I was measuring 36cms at 28 weeks and since I'm only 5'3, I look like a weeble. Dread to think how big I am going to end up.

I haven't got skinny anywhere else - I'm very jealous of you that have a bit. Very sweet tooth going on at the moment which is so hard to resist. My friend was taking photos at the weekend in the pub and the ones of me looked terrible. <sigh> I just look fat from the boobs up. Am trying not to think about the twin skin thing. I've never been particularly fit or toned but I am really missing using my body actively. I can't wait to go for a run or something - not that I will have the energy I suppose.

Hi ladies.

It will get better. I measured over 40 weeks from 28 weeks onward. My midwife stopped measuring at 32 weeks! I got stretch marks everywhere at the end and my bump looked like a road map. You will still look pregnant 6 weeks later (I still do 9 weeks later!).

My GP (who has 4 year old twin boys) said a lovely thing when I complained to her about it. She touched my now flabby stomach and said that my body did an amazing thing carrying two babies and that I must always remember that when I look at it. Made me feel quite tearful actually.

I felt awful after giving birth (in a very different way to the end of my pregnancy, which was dreadful). My hips and tops of my thighs ached for a long time afterwards. However, the last couple of weeks are starting to be one of the best I have had since the DT's arrived. They are getting into a lovely routine, I am feeling physically well and much fitter and I am really enjoying my babies. They were 9 weeks old on Saturday!

All worth it in the end ladies. I can't wait to hear all your baby news when you all start popping! smile

I have bravely posted two pics of my bump on my profile! It wasn't a neat bump at all, just mahoosive!

FestiveDigestive Thu 06-Dec-12 09:10:19

Hi Manda - I definitely have a waddle now - especially if I try to go anywhere quickly. Having said that, I totally lost my temper with DS the other day & broke into a sprint as I tried to run up the stairs & catch him (he was running away because he knew he was in trouble!). My DH saw and came out panicking "What are you DOING? You're massively pregnant! Please sit down". He has a shock when he saw me and my big bump running through the hallway in hot pursuit of DS grin. It's the fastest I've moved in months.

FreeButton - You're really close to me in dates, we're nearly on the home stretch! You are doing amazingly well to be working still, I can imagine you're looking forward to finishing. I'm at home with my 20 month DD during the day (DS is at school) and that can be tiring but at least we can have a day of sofa & TV when I'm extra tired - plus she has an afternoon nap so I can go back to bed too.

Gardenpixies - Your bump is impressive! Nice to look at your twin pics again too. Can you see differences in their personalities yet or is too soon to tell? I'm worried that I will mix mine up when I am sleep deprived (even if they turn out to be different sexes) so it will just be a blur of 'baby' & I won't bond properly with each one.

FreeButtonChristmasTree Thu 06-Dec-12 12:30:42

11 days to go (in work) - not that I am counting.

I had to have a little rest after making the bed this morning. definitely never been this tired in my life

LookAtHerGo Sun 09-Dec-12 20:47:28

Freebutton, well I only went back off my last lot of maternity in August and due to some massive amount of annual leave and some accrued hours from a course, I have already finished work! There isn't anyway I could do any work now. I am shattered big time.

I've not been measured by my midwife, they are just going off my scan measurements.

Garden, my stomach has become massively stretch marked now, ah well, it's all part of it. But you had a lovely big bump smile

Festive, I'm waddling, and have been for ages now.

Well I definitely have polyhydramnios, it's with both twins now. So I'm back at the hospital this wednesday for a scan with a consultant to check babies are all ok, then another serial growth scan the following week. I suppose we will be talking about options and what the extra fluid means to me, I know from reading up about things that it can put you at higher risk of prem birth, cord prolapse or placental abruption, so I don't know if I will still be allowed to try a vaginal delivery or not.

I am really struggling now with my size and dealing with a lively toddler (15 months old today) I definitely want them to stay put as long as possible, but I am counting down the days to 37 weeks now!

mandasand Mon 10-Dec-12 17:01:59

Nice we're all roughly at the same stage! 28 weeks tomorrow for me :-) For the first time last night I had a head, or a bum, sticking right out of the left hand side of my belly - hilarious! I have anterior placentas at the front, towards the right, so I get nothing there, but to see this big head/bum shape, plus feel a huge amount of movement close by was so funny! DH actually found it a bit weird to watch after a few minutes. He keeps mentioning the film Alien, which thankfully I can't remember having seen, hehe!

So pleased your babies are already in a good routine, Garden! Your bump is lovely! Thanks for posting pic. Babies are adorable!

Festive I had to laugh at your DS-chase! I did too much decorating yesterday (we've moved DH out of his man cave and into my study so we have a box-room nursery) and ended up in a sobbing heap. I get out of puff so easily and have zero stamina. Pretty hard for someone who is used to being very fast and efficient!

BUT doc phoned me this morning and I've got v. low in potassium again. I think this may be related. It happened early in pregnancy and I remember feeling a bit better after taking the supplements. Fingers crossed. I like my docs - they are so on the ball. Had my bloods done there on Friday in advance of tomorrow's 28-week growth scan + consultant appointments.

Really excited but also nervous about seeing babies again. There is always the fear (for me) that something has gone wrong with one of them. Hopefully this is just nonsense-thinking! Exciting, exciting… Hopefully we will have heard back from a hospital I got treated at years and years ago about The State of My Uterus after which I should have a clearer idea about what birth options are open to me though personally I'm quite keen on the efficiency of a CS.

Hope your scan goes well this week Lookathergo. Sorry you have the possible worry about polyhydramnios but hope it's not too serious? FX for you.

Blending Thu 13-Dec-12 10:44:36

Room for another?

I'm 13+4 and already as big as I was with DD at 5 months.

We've known since 7 weeks, as they are IVF, but still a shock as we had treatmeant quite a few times. The second round of IVF giving us our first miracle dd (2yo) after 6 years ttc, and these were our last frozen embryos and such poor quality after defrost that we thought there was no chance of even one of them making it!

Anyway, now finally starting to believe it so thought I should pop in!

LookAtHerGo Thu 13-Dec-12 14:52:18

manda, I often play follow the foot, as I get feet sticking out, and so I touch them as they move! Hope you have a good scan.

Welcome to the thread blending. Yep second time around the bump is much bigger. Congratulations on the doubly successful IVF (sorry I don't know if that's an appropriate thing to say or way to put it - I hope you don't get offended at that)

Well I was scanned again yesterday, twin 1 (lower one head down) is in a normal amount of fluid, twin 2 is in a massive pool of fluid, so I am now on drugs to hopefully reduce the fluid which will in turn reduce the risk of prem birth, the trouble is all the excess fluid is causing extra pressure on my uterus, so hence why we need to do something. if my waters break I need to be in hospital right away as the risk of cord prolapse or placental abruption is high with polyhydramnios so I need to be checked over and monitored right away. I am just now counting every day and hoping everything is OK, the extra days the babies stay put is a bonus.

FreeButtonChristmasTree Thu 13-Dec-12 15:58:21

Oh, fingers crossed Look what a worry.

I am measuring 42cm - 11 weeks ahead. I am enormous. DH is baffled at where another 7 weeks worth of baby is going to go. Still no stretchmarks - I am waiting daily for their arrival...

Another scan plus a obs appointment next week - only my second dcs appt - the first was pretty perfunctory so we'll see what they have to say for themselves this time. TBH, I've pretty much been left alone throughout my pregnancy which in a lot of ways has been nice both because it means I've been healthy and all is well and also so I don't have to listen to doom-mongering/inevitability of intervention. I will be well pissed off if they start getting all interfering now (unless obv it's really needed).

Helpfully, my hospital have a "what to expect in hospital session for multiples" so am going to that tomorrow morning. Not sure what to expect by useful to get a feel for their approach/how many people will be in the room/how the wards are set up.

FreeButtonChristmasTree Thu 13-Dec-12 16:06:24

Oh is anyone else suffering from sciatic pain? I get terrible pain in my left bum cheek which makes it difficult to walk occasionally. Haven't managed to see anyone about it yet but I have a spikey ball like this which really really helps. I put it on the floor and basically sit on it in the sore spot and roll around. V undignified and not to be done in public but it really gets into the tight spot and uses your weight to really apply some pressure. Can also be done when lying in bed (if matress is fairly firm) or I've managed to do a bit when sitting on my chair at work, just to keep it loose. Really recommend.

LookAtHerGo Sat 15-Dec-12 19:43:07

How was your multiples talk Free? We have our parent education class tomorrow, specifically for twins. Have you been having regular scans Free, even though you haven't seen the docs much?

I swear I can feel it every time I get a new stretch mark, like my skin suddenly feels tingly in one place then goes very quickly.

I'm trying not to worry too much about the what could happen, I don't believe in worrying permanently when you don't even know if it will happen or not, I don't want to spend the next few weeks in a permanent state of angst. I'm sure it's not good for the babies.

I am however struggling so much at the moment with my size, I've not been measured so I have no idea how I compare to a single 31+4 pg I reckon I am probably measuring about 90 weeks though wink My DD is 15 months and into everything, and has I think realised that I can't get up as quickly as her Daddy can and so she 'plays up' a little for me and touches things she isn't supposed to, so it's a bit frustrating at the moment, but I'll get through it.

mandasand Mon 17-Dec-12 15:40:55

Well, ever since I hit 28 weeks last Tuesday I seem to be hungrier and heavier and the babies are making much bigger movements - yikes! Feels very much like the final stretch now better get on and finish decorating the nursery and make some lists! Everything fine at 28-week hospital appointment, though they couldn't get growth measurements on baby two as head was too far down in pelvis. Now got a much better idea of how the babies are lying so can more accurately identify what is sticking out where! Family came for early Christmas at the weekend and just loved seeing all the mad movements!

Welcome Blending and thanks for sharing your story with us. Nice to have you on board our happy little ship! smile

Lookathergo that's a bit of a worry. One of mine is at the lower end of borderline with how much fluid there is which is worrying enough, and I'm getting paranoid about discharge etc. How far along are you now? Are you going in regularly to see whether the drugs are working as they should? Thinking of you.

Freebutton me too with no stretchmarks at 29-weeks-tomorrow! But what was my belly button is all stretched out beyond all feasibility and I am starting to get some discolouration there and perhaps some of that will turn into s/marks. Have some thread veins either side of bump but they aren't too bad. We went to one of those multiple birth sessions in the hospital. Was great - tho so long ago I've forgotten everything!

We started NCT classes last week and there are two other parents-to-be of twins! Must be something in the water round here … !

Eskarina Mon 17-Dec-12 17:23:20

Hi, can I join? Had the news today that my dc2 is dts!! Quite a shock to the system. I'm 11+4 and already have a 15 month old dd. arrrggghhh!

mandasand Mon 17-Dec-12 17:39:34

Congrats eskarina! It's so exciting to find out, isn't it?!

DreamingOfAWhiteChristmas Mon 17-Dec-12 20:29:57

Hello everyone!!!

<waves excitedly>

Congratulations eskarina, very similar to me- I vividly remember going for my first scan, dead on 12 weeks, with my DD who was nearly 13 months and thinking "oh sh*t!" . Then after an hour or so of it sinking in I was already delighted. Mine have nearly been out as long as they were in now, they're 9 months on January 4th. DD adores her brothers, its bloody hard work but also just lovely. They laugh and laugh at each other now, an incentive for rolling is to get to each other, and they can't stop giggling at DD- especially DT2. grin if only they'd sleep

Hope you hang on ok til 37 weeks lookathergo, oh, the worries of pregnancy. Here's to safe arrival of healthy babies for you.

Frenchfamille Tue 18-Dec-12 14:51:03

New to Mumsnet! Live in France and nice to find a friendly forum I can use while I rest on the sofa and try to keep these babies in til after xmas.... 34 weeks and told to try to do very little now as cervical length shortened quite a bit recently. Really hoping to get to end of month, 36 weeks, so I can have xmas with my 3 boys and husband. Also a bit tricky as any date before 31st involves a hospital much further away than local one. So, legs crossed......

mandasand Tue 18-Dec-12 16:33:54

welcome french! lots of lying down over xmas for you! fingers crossed babies stay nicely tucked up for a while longer.

off for my whooping cough jab now. had flu one last week which didn't affect me at all but I hear that WC is a bit of a meanie...

Frenchfamille Tue 18-Dec-12 20:31:33

Thanks Mandasand. I see you are 28 weeks - good to get to that stage I remember thinking. Still, you need some rest at that point too so not too much cooking over xmas for you! Can you answer me a question as I can't find the answer on here . . . . to read replies do you just have to log onto the site and then look at the threads you are watching? There's not an automatic way to know if somebody replies to you? Sorry - twin brain is struggling with even the simplest things at the moment. My eldest, 11, showed me tonight how to play a new card game and I had to get him to explain it to me 3 times. Thankfully he is patient! Regarding those big kicks etc, they get more and more and as I balance my laptop on the bump the twins are rightfully kicking it off them! Do you know what you are having? We are apparently having 2 girls, non identical, which will make a change from 3 boys that we have (although I love boys). So quite a bit of pink creeping into our house!

mandasand Tue 18-Dec-12 21:38:06

Hey, French! Yes, I feel at a really good and confident stage now - and today I hit 29 weeks! It's all getting a bit real now, though, crikey! I'm leaving all list-making and bag-packing etc until I have some head space over Christmas, though there's no denying the babies will be here (all being well etc) in no more than eight weeks time!

We don't know the sex - DH prefers it that way and I'm happy to leave it a surprise too. Also has been remarkably good in confounding our Mums who didn't know what colours to knit smile We're pretty sure they are no-ID, though, as they are in separate sacs, and all the measurements are different (not sure if that last thing is an indicator).

34 weeks must be very exciting, although with three boys already you are probably less daunted than us first timers! Those boys are going to love having two little girls to dote on! Must be very cool to have bilingual kids.

Thankfully we're having a very quiet Christmas. My side of the family came down to visit last weekend and MiL is coming this weekend, so it will just be the two of us (for the first and last time!) in Christmas week and we're quite pleased with that as it's been a very busy few months decorating the house etc.

Yep, you've got it: there's no way of knowing if someone has replied to one of your posts in a thread apart from compulsively checking. But if someone sends me a private message (PM) I get an email telling me - I think you can adjust this in settings.

FreeButtonChristmasTree Wed 19-Dec-12 11:44:33

Yes, been having regular scans which have all been fine. Another one tomorrow.

The twins talk was very helpful and gave me a better idea of what to expect and what to question. EG first birth (if going VB) should be treated as a normal Midwife led birth, not in a theatre, just in a normal birthing suite. Second baby, doctors take over to ensure position is okay etc.

Also only 50% of their twin mums have an epidural which was quite encouraging in terms of being allowed to manage the process, rather than being told what to do.

FreeButtonChristmasTree Wed 19-Dec-12 17:11:31

Useful info: I was also told that at 31 weeks, I should have my hospital bag packed! I am about 70% there now which is better than I was last week!

I've also just been in touch to ask for their hospital guidelines/protocol for multiple births. They are happy to let me have them but want someone to talk me through them. Luckily I have an obs appt tomorrow so they are sending someone down to the clinic with a copy of them for me. Worth asking your hospital if they can do something similar - I got in touch with the antenatal education dept. A lot of it for me is knowing the range of what to expect - it's not that I want to wave them in front of anyone; I just don't want to be railroaded into something unnecessary or based on eg a bnak midwife's keenness to finish her shift...

mandasand Mon 24-Dec-12 09:56:47

FreeButton, sounds like you got a lot of useful info there. We had a special twins session at the hospital with about ten other parents-to-be of twins and it was great. Sad, though, that we're not allowed to labour in the midwife-led unit with all the water baths etc!

Anyway, that's all a bit academic now as I've just found out that for medical reasons mine will be CS. I'm okay with that as have been expecting things to go this way for a while.

Everything looked good at the 28-week scan/appts and now looking forward to 32-week scan and consultant appts early in the new year.

Now it's the holidays we are going to finish decorating the nursery, get all the furniture made up (all but storage units from family and friends - feel so lucky!) and then I can start on washing and sorting the HUGE amount of baby clothes we've also been given. Also will start thinking about hospital bag ... crikey!

30 weeks tomorrow and the babies are probably moving a bit less overall but when they do the movements are more powerful, bigger and sometimes more complex. My bump is getting to that unfeasible stage now where it's a wonder gravity doesn't pull me over! I've gone from size 12 to size 24 (over-the-bump) knickers in a matter of a few months. Bit nervous as M&S don't seem to do size 26!! I will have to cut the sides a little to give a bit more room...!

Anyway, I'll stop rambling now. I was just checking in to say Happy Christmas everyone! [fmsile]

Mandas glad all went well with your scan. Nearly time now!
M&S do sexy full pants in a 26 & 28, I wore them blush

Twins are now 12 weeks and 2 days old and smiling away. They were 5 weeks prem so didn't smile at the usual 6 weeks, got our first smiles at week 10 and getting loads now. Pediatrician said to not worry if they are a bit behind now, they will soon catch up.

The sleepless nights and lack of social life I have watched tv three times in 12 weeks is definitely worth it for the gummy grins. They are heart melting smile

mandasand Mon 24-Dec-12 16:32:03

Garden, awwww gummy grins! I didn't know babies grinned so early! (I have so much to learn!) Woooo, excited (erm, sort of!) to learn about size 26 and 28 in M&S!! Will see if I can get them online. It's crazy the rate I'm growing now. These pants are getting eversoslightly tight already. (I can't do under the bump as what was my belly button is now all turned out and v.v. tender to the touch and I can't bear fabric moving loosely against the area.) Aw, bless him, DH is sanding the nursery door right now as I tap away at a bit of work smile

LookAtHerGo Tue 25-Dec-12 19:50:23

Welcome to eskarina and French famille.

Eskarina I'm 33 weeks and my DD is 15 months old! Lol.

Well I hope you all had a good day today.

My fluid levels are dropping grin which is good, another scan in 2 days to check they've dropped some more, I think they have judging by my bump size and shape. Bump appears to have dropped shock back and hips are agony so on better painkillers, I reckon I might need crutches in a week if it carries on, or else bed rest, I can barely walk at the moment, I do hope it's a flare up and not how the last few weeks will go.

Anyway happy Christmas.

Frenchfamille Wed 26-Dec-12 11:39:12

Thank you for the welcome and answers re. posting on here. Hope that Christmas day passed well for you all - I had to have an hour's sleep at 11am to get me through to lunchtime! 35 weeks now and to be honest I can't really walk or do anything so trying to shut my eyes to the mess. Never felt like this with the 3 boys but then again, I am older now!! My goal was to get to xmas day, done that, and now it is to get to 31st December - we'll have to see. That's 36 weeks for me and I can't see myself being able to get past this. But one day at a time......

LookAtHerGo Thu 27-Dec-12 19:28:54

French I'm hoping to make it to 2013, I'll be 34 weeks on New Year's Day.

Had my scan today, fluids levels are now normal for both twins, so I'm off the meds. smile baby 1 is head down (low) and baby 2 is breech. I am however on crutches for severe pelvic girdle pain with me nearly being admitted for bed rest/ pain management. That's not really what I wanted with a 15 month old at home, but it's still on the cards if I'm no better in a few days.

mumto22ontheway Fri 28-Dec-12 15:13:14

hello i new on here but am 19+3 with mcma twins has anyone else had mcma twins??

LookAtHerGo Fri 28-Dec-12 15:16:27

Welcome mummyto2 I'm not, but I know a lady who had mcma twins, they were born at 33 or 34 weeks and just had their 5th birthday. grin How are things going for you?

FestiveDigestive Fri 28-Dec-12 20:16:41

Hi to French, Free, Eskarina, and mumto2!

To everyone else - hope you all had a lovely Christmas and are feeling well grin

I am 35+5 now and have completely run out of steam. I was admitted to hospital for a few days last week because I was out of breath and my oxygen levels are a bit low (I have asthma but I think it's having my lungs squashed that is actually causing this!) & the consultant wanted me to stay there until I was "better" but I don't think I will feel actually feel "better" now until they arrive! I discharged myself on Sat & am just lying on my bed at home waiting for my c-section date. If I'm going to lie around then I think my own bed is a nicer place to be.

Poor DH is exhausted because he's been running around after our 2 DC all the time.. It's got to get easier when they arrive! 11 days to go now so I am just counting down every day & saying to myself "It will be worth it when I see them, it will be worth it when I see them" smile

lookather - That sounds like good news about the fluid levels at your scan. I sympathise with you on the pelvic pain, I had that with my last pregnancy and it was awful, I was on crutches all the way through & was terrified when I found out about the twins, because I thought I would get it again. I found an osteopath this time though who has worked miracles (the NHS physio the last time was useless) as he puts my pelvis back into place every few weeks. So there is hope, even if it doesn't clear up right after the birth.

mandasand Mon 31-Dec-12 07:21:02

Good news about fluid levels, Look. Hope the back and hip pain eases for you as it would be miserable if this was it for the next few weeks.

I've been lucky in that I've had a touch of every pregnancy malaise going (apart from vomiting, weirdly) but each week is different than the next and nothing has got really bad. At 30+6 I can still walk a very slow mile, just about, with a sit down in the middle. It takes me an hour in total, so walking speed is now 1mph! Takes some getting used to - I'm normally a v. fast and rushing-about sort of person! I've really missed a wintry walk this year too…

Hope everyone has had a good chrimble and has nice telly and sofa things planned for tonight. We were supposed to go to our lovely local last night for a quiet hour but I'd missed my afternoon nap (!) two days in a row and I was a sobbing mess by 8pm (I am not usually like this - it's a pregnancy thing!) so DH sensibly put me to bed. Determined both to have my afternoon nap today and to get out to the pub for an hour, but we'll see. It's half a mile away so just within the range of the possible, in terms of walking (we don't have a car else I'd drive!)

French you're doing really, really well. Hang on in there, one day at a a time. 36 weeks would be a great gestation. Saw the community midwife the other day who said they might let me go till 38/39 weeks but everything I've heard from hospital has said no longer than 37, and I've been keeping that in my mind as my goal! I really am getting to the stage of wanting my body back now…

Welcome mummyto2 and other new faces!

Happy NY to one and all smile

FestiveDigestive Wed 02-Jan-13 12:23:37

My twins are here! Born on New Years Eve when I was exactly 36 wks. My waters broke and then I dialated to 6/7 cm within 2 hrs. I was rushed to theatre & had a emergency section. My little girl (5lb 2) is fine but her brother (6lb 2) was not breathing when he was born. He got taken straight to high dependency for assisted breathing & he is still there.

All a bit of a shock because at 36 weeks I wasn't expecting either of them to really struggle. I feel guilty because i was so fed up of bring pregnant & I kept saying i wanted them out sad. The Drs have said that it seems she was ready to come (she broke her waters with a very strong kick which I felt!) but he wasn't. We have been given a family room at the hospital & are taking it day by day, I just want to be able to hold him & have both my babies together.

I hope you are all doing well, hang on in there smile

mandasand Wed 02-Jan-13 14:37:29


Festive this is very exciting! Sorry to hear your little man is needing an extra bit of support, but it sounds as if he is on the right track and getting the care he needs and it's v. nice you have a family room at the hospital so you're close by. Can you stay as long as you need to?

Was the CS an okay experience? Hope you are recovering well.

Take care, and please keep us posted smile … congratulations again!

LookAtHerGo Wed 02-Jan-13 22:19:16

Congratulations festive I hope your little boy is better very soon. Don't feel guilty, you did nothing to cause it, I'm bloody fed up too, and have had enough of pregnancy, it's natural to feel that way, it's tough being 'doubly pregnant'

Have you got names yet?

I saw the physio again this morning, pelvis was out of line do she tried so manipulation which put it in the right place, but it's sore since, she did yank my leg strongly though. My DP has managed to get annual leave next week and parental leave until paternity leave starts, which I'm hoping will be in 3 weeks time. Getting ever closer now. I just can't do anything at all now. Hobble on crutches, can't carry things, dealing with DD is difficult so it's v good that the pressure will be off me.

Had a few odd slightly painful braxton hicks but usually after I've moved around in bed.

Scan tomorrow to double check fluid levels are still at a normal level.

mandasand Wed 02-Jan-13 23:31:29

Anyone else get a really hard bump sometimes? I don't mean BH tightenings, which I do get here and there but which last only a few seconds before they ease, but today my bump has been really, really hard and I've barely felt any movements from the babies. Normally sugary stuff sends them a bit bonkers but no amount of hotchoc would shift them today. (They did wake up a bit whilst I was watching One Born, though!)

I think I'm just being neurotic. The other day I ate some 'fresh' pasta which had been lying around half opened in the fridge since before xmas and it tasted a bit off, then remembered it was cheese I shouldn't have as well. I had some scrapings of pesto with it then when washing out the jar I noticed - too late - there was a bit of mould at the top! This is possibly the worst meal I've eaten all pregnancy (I wasn't having a good day and just needed some carbs urgently!)

I've got my 32-week growth scan on Tues so I will just hang on for that (unless someone tells me otherwise!)

Are you about 35 weeks now, Lookathergo? Not long now. Good luck with scan tomorrow.

Congrats again, Festive smile

LookAtHerGo Thu 03-Jan-13 09:23:45

Manda, if you're movements are weird (as in not usual) and bump is hard it's worth a call to triage, I get a hard bump. But know its BH as it goes off, I'm no mw so they could tell you best, are the babies moving normally this morning?

I'm 34+2 now... Really really feeling it.

Weighed myself, put on 22lb so far, but then I was a chunk before so really don't need to add extra weight.

FestiveDigestive Thu 03-Jan-13 09:46:35

Manda - I would second the 'be neurotic' advice! I'd been over for monitoring several times in the few weeks before birth, saying that I was worried by the lack of movement from twin 2. The trace was always okay but as he was born not breathing, the Drs have now been asking me about his lack of movement & are waiting for the cord gases to see if he was in trouble before was born.

Also, my waters broke when I was actually in hospital because I'd gone over to have some tightenings checked. The Dr did an an internal examination & said "you are not in labour & there are no signs that labour is imminent. Your cervix is long & closed & you can go home". Five minutes later my waters broke and 2.5 hrs later I was in theatre, fully dilated with the Drs rushing to get the section done! It was stressful enough, but if my waters had gone at home it would have added an extra half hour to our journey & I don't know that they would have had a team ready in time.

What I'm trying to say is - trust your own instincts! Everything is probably fine but you can't be too careful with twins. I'd been to the hospital so many times that the midwives used to laugh & say "It's you again" when I walked in blush but it meant that I was there when I needed to be.

Frenchfamille Thu 03-Jan-13 13:49:34

36 weeks +3 and not really able to do much. Suddenly the tiredness has kicked in again and I hauled myself out of bed at 11am today and 4 hours later feel the need to go back!

I'm not now seen until next friday - 37 +4. But don't think I'll get there! Having said that, all the back-aches, BH, start and then disappear so whilst things are warming up, there's no more than that. I'm surprised that I'm still here as my goal was 36 weeks to enable me to have a birth at the nearest, local hospital.

My poor children keep saying "when are they coming?" and I'm getting a bit fed up of people ringing/emailing to see if I'm still here!

Re. being neurotic, I'm going to turn up for monitoring next monday at 37 weeks just because it feels too long to go til the 37+4. Here in France they are big on monitoring and doing lots of extra tests etc. so it won't be a problem turning up. In the last couple of weeks I think sometimes you just need a bit of reassurance that things are OK. As my 2nd twin has gone transverse (naughty girl) it would also be reassuring to know that she is back down ready again.

I must admit I thought that getting to 36 weeks would be it, but I scared myself a bit by looking at some twin forums which were saying that you shouldn't hope/encourage them out at 36 weeks, as sometimes they still had health issues. I was completely wrong, if that's the case, because I thought that 36 weeks was a real mile-stone. So, rather than do the big nesting thing, start cleaning etc. I have reverted back to resting as much as possible which really is all I think my body can realistically cope with anyway. These last days seem very long though!

mandasand Thu 03-Jan-13 19:10:12

Hey ladies - thanks so much for the advice re bump. Yes, the movements are different now. Less frequent. Bump v. hard. And lots of tightenings (prob BH) this afternoon. I've just been saying to myself that they have changed position and are getting too big for the space. But I admit I have been in half a mind to pop into the mat. assessment unit tomorrow when I'm in the hospital getting bloods done (left it too late to do them at docs in advance of Tuesday's high risk clinic appts).

Normally I'm v. worst case scenario but DH has a very scientific mind and tries always to reason things out to a more optimistic position, so I've been quite calmed by his confidence that everything is okay, despite the changes. But I've been into the MAU once before when things didn't feel quite right (everything was fine) and they didn't mind at all.

That's interesting what you say about your boy, Festive, and the docs asking you those questions afterwards. Makes me feel it prob is worth popping in… But bloody hell, that's a bit dramatic re the completely fine examination and then your waters going! Thank goodness you were in the hospital. I'm amazed it all happened so quickly for you. Must have been really, really stressful… Makes me want to get my bags ready and by the door.

French rest up as well as you can. I too thought that 36/37 weeks would be fine (based on zero experience of childbirth!) because so many twins come at that stage, but it wouldn't harm to keep them in a bit longer, especially if you're getting regular monitoring to check they are doing well?

Thanks for support everyone. It's nice to have a twin-specific thread. My due-in-March thread is ace, but there are peeps on there with much trickier things to deal with - and one baby has escaped already at 29 weeks! - so I don't like to moan that much (even when I do!) In any case I get the sense that twins are a different experience anyway, especially in the later stages.

LookAtHerGo Fri 04-Jan-13 17:26:03

Wow festive that's bloody quick! How is your boy doing now, what is the short term plan for all of you?

french every time I speak to my sister she asks if I've had any twinges! Yes off and on, but mostly after I've moved in bed and most probably related to my pelvic pain.

manda did you got to the MAU?

Had a scan yesterday, fluid levels a little raised. but doc not worried, back in 2 weeks to check position of twin 1 and if still head down, induction for as close to 37 weeks as possible will be booked for a vaginal delivery. twin 1 has been head down for a long time now, so I can't see it changing, fingers crossed though.

mandasand Fri 04-Jan-13 19:00:15

Thanks, Lookathergo - yes, I went in this morning and was in for seven hours! I called them before I headed to the hosp for my bloods this morning and they said that it was prob nothing to worry about but as I was coming in anyway they would check me out.

MW said tight, hard belly and different pattern of movements were prob normal for this stage and stuck me on a monitor for an hour … after which she said one baby had failed the criteria, was sleepy and not moving as much as it should be. Sent me away for two hours. DH came out from work to be with me, which was great as I was flummoxed and upset to say the least, and then we had to wait for an hour or so to get seen again. Then could find a machine that worked, then MW no.2 (much, much nicer) had to sit holding the things in place, and eventually learnt that both babies passed the test.

Having a good look at my notes now. This morning 'CTG did not meet x 1 twin after 60 mins'. At 4pm 'both met criteria'. They have included in my notes a Sonicaid Centrale - FHR Analysis Report which tells me that the criteria they were testing for was the Dawes/Redman criteria and it involves measuring the BPM and how many accelerations and decelerations within a chunk of time. The report from this morning gives reason for failure as 'No episodes of high variation. No moves and less than three accelerations … [other stuff] … and significant deceleration' - but they say this is nothing to worry about since it later passed the test.

So, it was both good and not good going in. The things I was worried about weren't worrying, but then one sleepy caused me a lot of extra worry! But overall I'm really, really pleased that they both seem to be okay. Knackered tho!

LookAtHerGo Sat 05-Jan-13 19:43:14

Gosh manda, what a worry that must have been yesterday morning. I hope you have no more worries. Glad you got it all checked out though.

I had a lie down with DD this morning and woke with belly ache and some ?BH and when DP came in to get DD I said I might need to go and get checked out, anyway after I had been sat up for a while it went away, so I concluded I must have been in an awkward position in bed with DD. Nada since! It might be like this for the next few weeks!

Frates Mon 07-Jan-13 20:23:03

Hello All

Sorry for wading in so late. I am a first timer 27 weeks MCDA Mum to be!

Getting to the stage where it's all getting a little too much, so is great to find you all....

Look forward to some replies, but guess the majority of you have got your hands full by now!

LookAtHerGo Thu 10-Jan-13 06:13:08


2 boys, born at 35+1 weeks. 5lb 13 or 14 and 5lb 15. Both doing well. Vaginal delivery, both head down and both with too too much fluid!

All doing well, born last night at between 9 and half past.

Will update more later as phone battery low so I'm keepin it brief.

Hope everyone else is well.

Huge congratulations Look! Such wonderful news. Very exciting!

Lovely weights. How are the babies, did they need any time in the SCBU? Do they have names yet?

smile smile

Frenchfamille Thu 10-Jan-13 12:43:26

Congratulations Look on your 2 little boys. Well done for having a vaginal birth too. How exciting for you. At 37+3 I am patiently, or rather impatiently waiting. But having woken up and somehow spring-cleaned the downstairs, done 2 loads of washing and about to waddle around my favourite shop (the sales in France started yesterday) I am hoping that this is a "sign"!
Enjoy your 2 little babies - we have 3 boys and I cannot imagine what it is like to suddenly have two babies at once! Look forward to hearing the names too!

mandasand Fri 11-Jan-13 16:43:41

LookATHerGo, CONGRATULATIONS!!!!!!! That is excellent news! So, those BH from Sat were a little warning, eh?! So happy for you - well done! Did you decide to go for vaginal delivery from the start, or did it just happen that way because they were a little bit early? What great weights!

I ask because I discussed birth options with obstetrician at 32-week appt on Tues. We had thought for a long time that it would be CS because I may have had a uterine perforation back in 1996 but the hospital in question couldn't find my notes. Because of the risk of uterus splitting along scar they said it had to be CS. However, Leeds found my notes over xmas and it wasn't a perforation that caused the haemorrhage so I can try for vaginal birth if I want. Though a CS has been approved if I want one. I am at a loss as to what to do now.

Has anyone on the list been given the choice of vaginal or CS, and how do you decide with twins when chances are you may need some kind of intervention at some point during the labour?If it was singleton I'd really want to try for active birth yoga, mindfulness meditation, water birth etc, but they say I will prob end up having epidural and a lot of monitoring. I don't really want to labour on my back. Any help/advice appreciated! Feel I'm coming to my birth choices very late!

Hello Frates!

French it sounds like you are definitely in the 'nesting' phase! I am in the head-stuck-in-the-sand phase, working a lot and getting some double-glazing work scheduled for the end of the month! Bought double Nipper pram on Tues after hospital appt. Feel quite sorted now tho hospital bag isn't at all packed!

LookAtHerGo Sat 12-Jan-13 07:12:07

Dammit I just posted a big message and it's been eaten! And it's feeding time now so I can only send a bit of it now. As I'm using the app I keep copying and pasting so I can go back to see what's been written and do I have a bit I copied but I wrote the rest without copying!

Sorry I'm not able to answer all questions yet, only using app and so I have to keep scrolling back. But I'll answer ones I remember.

Manda- I decided on vaginal from the beginning do long as twin 1 was head down, yep I think I was given the option, I think it's a fairly standard choice to be given the option for either if you want/babies in the right position. I had had a vaginal delivery before, so that helped me decide. Re epidural I didn't have one, I did it on tens and gas/air. However I did labour on my back, but that's because of twins positions if I moved it squished them and one of their heart rate dropped, they needed to monitor both. But an epidural isn't a standard, I really didn't want one and had it in my head I could do it without (based on my previous birth) and I did do it without. grin

mumto22ontheway Sun 13-Jan-13 10:30:53

i m having mcma twins which was all going fine but now we have to be scanned every week and visit the professor at birmingham. they wont to deliver me between 32 and 34 weeks which seem scary. x

Frenchfamille Mon 14-Jan-13 20:56:03

I am pretty fed up ladies. Week 38 now. If nothing happens this week I have to go in on sunday night to start things off. Here in France it is Wk 39 maximum for twins. I am hoping that my dreadfully snappy mood today means that there is a huge hormone surge and things are starting. But it's more likely to mean that I'm just at the very fed up stage! Still, a week today and they'll be here IF NOT BEFORE!

Hope everyone else is doing OK.

Frates Tue 15-Jan-13 10:59:57

Hello All,

mandasand thanks very much! Sorry, no advice on the birth plan - never done this before. I am going for the 'head in the sand' approach too dressed up as 'the plan is there is no plan...' hope all goes well for you

mumto22 Hello. MCMA - and I struggle going every 2 weeks with MCDA... well, you do what you've gotta do eh? All worth it to see them on screen.

frenchfamille can't imagine how you are feeling, good luck, it can't be long now!

lookathergo Big congratulations! You have given me the confidence that I don't have to have an epidural (as suggested to me at the hospital). Although still not sure... Anyhow, enjoy your babies!

x smile

Any more babies born? I keep checking for news. Mrs and Festive please put up photos of your munchkins smile

LookAtHerGo Fri 18-Jan-13 08:21:10

Dammit. My messages aren't posting for some reason.

Just quickly. Birmingham women's is great, the professor you will see is very good and the mcma twins I know we're born here. I can't fault their antenatal (and postnatal) care of me.

LookAtHerGo Fri 18-Jan-13 08:22:02

That message was for mumto2.

French. I hope you go into labour naturally soon.

Frenchfamille Fri 18-Jan-13 17:35:21

Still waiting but husband and 2 of 3 boys had sickness bug last 72 hours so have disinfected everything in sight and now hoping I don't go into labour for a couple of days so my last boy has chance to get it or hopefully miss it, and me too. Due to go in sunday night to hospital and start things off monday. C'est pas facile!

mandasand Sat 19-Jan-13 08:33:36

Hello everyone! Don't know where this last week has gone but it's the weekend again and I'm a bit behind with your news.

Lookathergo thanks for sharing about your birth plan. I guess the decision was easier because you had already given birth before, so you knew what you were in for (x2!) Brill you managed without the epidural!

Everything is so unknown that I'm a bit terrified but I'm hoping I will chill out when the time comes. Planning on doing a bit more mindfulness birthing reading/meditation in a week or two and friend from NCT class is offering me some hypo birthing CDs … but it may be too late for that, I don't know! DH and I have been talking and have decided we don't like the idea of an induction, so will try to avoid that. If I get to 36 weeks without going into spontaneous labour then we will probably chose CS for the following week.

Still with us, French … but are you in tomorrow to get things going on Monday? Thinking of you if so. Good luck! Hope you've not been feeling toooo uncomfortable. Though this past week for me has really notched up in the discomfort stakes. Bump is so heavy, babies are definitely bigger and stronger, etc.

Oh, and I've just taken delivery of 'Why French Children Don't Throw Food' as I am always amazed how beautifully kids behave in restaurants in France. Looking forward to learning all about le Pause! Any tips?!

Frenchfamille Sat 19-Jan-13 21:02:29

Yes, still here! But going in tomorrow night and things starting off monday hopefully. We are all up in the air here as we never dreamed I'd get to 39 weeks. I hope you enjoy your book - I think the only difference is that in France the culture is to take children with you so they get used to eating out at an early age. Also family eating is big here, so there's a lot of eating together at lunchtimes. Our boys have learnt, I think, to enjoy food a bit more and there's definitely something to be said for eating together to stop fussy eaters and help children eat more. Also the cantine at school offers 3 course meals (basically everything except the wine!) and lunchbreak is 2 hours - so children have ages to eat! I was surprised when my 4 year old came home telling me he'd had the smiley fruit (worked out it was melon slices!) and a starter of grated carrot and beetroot. Not normally what I'd serve up but can't knock it! P.S French kids still have a sweet tooth and boulangeries often many very tempting sweet snacks - so we're not perfect!

LookAtHerGo Sun 20-Jan-13 20:59:01

We came home from hospital yesterday smile am sat here breast feeding both boys at the same time smile

My boys are Ernie (officially Ernest) George and Hector Stanley. Ernie was 5lb 13 1/2 and Hector was 5lb 15 1/2. Both are back to within 1oz of their birth weights grin and are doing really well.

We had a long stay in hospital due to jaundice which impacted on their feeding, but they've done really well smile

My DD says their names quite well, especially Ernie and had a huge smile this morning when she saw us as we came home after she was in bed last night.

mandasand Sun 20-Jan-13 23:13:11

I don't know if you will get this while you're in the hospital, French, but just wanted to say I'm thinking of you and hoping the birth of your babies goes smoothly. Looking forward to hearing your news soon smile Really interesting to have your perspective on the French way of managing children and food! I've heard about the three courses at school - very civilised! Proper chefs, too, I believe?!

Lookathergo - congratulations on bringing the boys home! How does it feel? I guess having already got a DC having newborn babies isn't in itself a terrifying thing … as it is for DH and me! Bet you're so pleased with their progress smile

34 weeks on Tues and heavy, uncomfy and a bit glum. Belly often looks like it has ferrets in there now. Big numb patch where belly button used to be. And, yes, I moan quite a bit of the time! Not long to go tho! xx

DigestivesWithCheese Mon 21-Jan-13 02:18:00

Hi everyone - and hello to the newer people!

Congratulations LookatHerGo - good weights, well done grin

Just a quick update to say we are at home now and have been for two weeks tomorrow. DT's are doing well, we're getting used to life with four children and it hasn't been too bad so far. I'm up doing a night feed at the moment, DH is back at work tomorrow so this is my first night doing all the feeds on my own. They are taking it in turns quite nicely at the moment - one usually wakes about 10 mins before the other so it works out well most of the time.

I will try & put some photos on soon, they look lovely when they are snuggled up together in their bed.

Manda - not long now! It's such hard going at the end isn't it? It will be worth it soon enough though.

Hi guys

Sorry I havent checked in much but we moved house last week and have the builders in so all a bit manic.

Twins now estimated at nearly 6lbs each at 36wks. No wonder I am exhausted! bad news is twin 1 is now also breech so unless they do some speedy flipping I am looking at a section. Bit gutted but was always a risk with twins so trying to stay positive!

Managed to build the buggy with DH yesterday without starting WW3 which was also a bonus.

Congrats on all the new babies. It's so good to hear of people doing well and meeting their babies.

I am still paranoid that one isn't going to make it - not sure why. I am trying to stay positive but it gets harder as you get bigger and less comfy, doesn't it?

mandasand Mon 21-Jan-13 11:53:42

Hello Free and hurray for being home with your twins! Bet the older two love having them around? Thanks for kind thoughts re being close to the finish line. I had such a rough night last night. I kept waking up after about 20 mins sleep, and dreaming that I had actually slept a lot longer! It was a bit punishing, but I was too tired to get up and do something useful! Putting it down to anxiety. Thankfully DH on futon (as he has tended to be on 'school nights' for the last week or two … ever since the monographer asked him if he'd been doing nights … er, no - just sleeping next to my uncomfortable and huffy-puffy wife!)

Digestives, wow - I thought we were a bit crazy for our recent decorating spree, replacing the boiler mid-winter and having two-thirds of the house double-glazed this coming weekend! Hope you're happy in the new house. 6lbs is a great weight! Ours were around 4lbs 5oz at the 32-week scan and my belly is stretching (quite painfully sometimes!) so they are still growing. Or at least I hope so. Like you I have paranoia that one isn't doing so well - Baby 2 is head down and tucked in a bit more, I think. And all their legs are roughly in the same area. With anterior placentas it's even more difficult to tell. But although I'd love a 34-week scan I just have to trust everything is a-okay. Re buggy - that's precisely why I said yes when the man in the shop offered to build it for us, to avoid WWIII!

mandasand Mon 21-Jan-13 11:56:57

Ha - pregnancy brain or what?! I got Free's and Digestive's names the wrong way wrong. Sorry, ladies! Indicative of my state of mind at the moment!! blush

Also, *sonographer.

Thewhingingdefective Mon 21-Jan-13 16:29:07

Hello, can I join in?

I have 7 year old boy/girl twins and 2 year old boy/girl twins. First set born at 35 weeks (induced due to per eclampsia), second set born at 37 weeks. Natural birth both times with my girls (both twin 2) breech.

Congratulations to all expecting and to new mummies.

Thewhingingdefective Mon 21-Jan-13 16:32:09

Pre eclampsia. Not per.

paolocee Tue 22-Jan-13 07:50:42

Hi, DH newbie comes in peace.

My girlfriend, 39, been TTC for 5 years. We had two unsuccessful IVF cycles and one horrendous chemical pregnancy last year (during which time the lovely people on this site were immensely supportive). Our last IVF cycle, however, was successful. Doubly so.

We've only just moved to Sweden and have been very impressed with the treatment here so far and Donna is 14w5d. Nuchal done - 1:1776. Both of the wee bairns were ahead of schedule when last we checked. And that's it. Count us in, please.

mandasand Tue 22-Jan-13 07:58:21

welcome paolocee and DW - congratulations! glad the swedish system is being good to you and that you have a great pregnancy. There's also a Twins in 2013 thread over at which may be good for you guys too.

mandasand Tue 22-Jan-13 08:00:17

welcome too whingingdefective (sorry, posted too soon!)

wow, two sets of twins! since becoming pregnant with our set I've been amazed at how many double sets there are out there! think my DH is a bit worried we'd strike lucky again if we ever tried again, but think we'll be happy with our two bundles anyway :-)

DreamingOfAWhiteChristmas Tue 22-Jan-13 20:47:04

Hello whingingdefective, love the name! Come and see us in Twins under 1 (ish!) too!, and there is a thread for older twin/triplet mums too, they always title it "d'ya ever wonder...." something. They're both in Multiple Births section.

Not that I'm not still lurking here, with my 9.5 month old dts <whistles innocently>

And hello paolocee, nice to see a DH newbie too grin Congratulations!!!

DreamingOfAWhiteChristmas Tue 22-Jan-13 20:48:42

^^ I don't mean older parents, obviously, I mean older age groups of twins!

manda, my dh would be horrified if we had more twins. They're great, they really are, especially now as their interaction is magic, but we have one who is just so much harder than either DD was, or his brother is- he is by far the hardest work of all three by himself, and doesn't sleep, meaning we're still exhausted zombies!!!

Frenchfamille Sat 26-Jan-13 12:01:55

All done! Now have 2 beautiful daughters - Florence Violette et Lily-Rose Emilia. Their 3 big brothers are besotted by them. French hospital started things off at 39 weeks. Long long labour not helped by Lily-Rose being breech. Having delivered Florence, her sister was manipulated round by a team of staff - theatre was standing by but fortunately not needed. It was a hard labour but we got there and I'm at home now. The hardest thing since has been not having 2 pairs of hands for 2 babies - so I told the hospital I was off home where my husband would be able to help at night-time. I found being in hospital quite stressful as I was pretty bruised (tummy mostly) and achey after the long labour. Determined to breast feed I found the nights hardest where I was knackered and too tired to even get the babies out their cot to feed them. However, persevered and when their weight started going up, got the all clear to go home. P.S No wonder I was feeling heavy - my beautiful dainty girls were just over 7 pounds! And the loveliest quote from my 11 year old, the eldest, was "I'm so glad there are two of them - one just wouldn't have been enough for us all!"

Huge congratulations French. What a lovely post to read. I love the name Florence, it was one on our list, brilliant weights too!

Well done on the labour.

Your DS sounds so cute, such an adorable thing to say.

Twin girls are the best!!

LookAtHerGo Sat 26-Jan-13 22:46:34

Congratulations French. smile beautiful names. Lovely comment by your DS. Enjoy your new bonding time as an even bigger family. grin

I had a bad evening yesterday. Feeding is hard work as neither latch brilliantly, but having one or maybe both having tongue tie cut on Tuesday so I'm hoping that will help things get better. My DD is settling a little bit now, she was a bit upset when I was feeding the boys but is getting more used to it now and is and always has been v gentle with them. Whether this changes in a few weeks time will only tell!

Hope the rest of you are doing ok.

mandasand Sun 27-Jan-13 00:01:20

Congratulations French! Florence is on our short-list of names, too!

Well, I'm now on my third day in hospital with pre-eclampsia - but it seems to be mild enough that I've been told if my readings behave I may be able to go home and be seen every other day as an outpatient. Fingers tightly crossed for this scenario!!

34+4 and babies doing very well so not too worried about this. As long as things don't escalate, of course.

LookAtHerGo Sun 27-Jan-13 00:12:31

Oh gosh manda. Hope you manage to get your readings under control and babies stay put a while longer.

mandasand Sun 27-Jan-13 08:47:48

Thanks, Look! Readings are not too bad. BP hasn't risen above 150/100 and the protein is 34. (I understand, at least, that these aren't too bad!) Yesterday's doc said that if I can keep BP figure down to 120/130 then today's doctor may let me home ... but every doc seems to have a different interpretation so I'm not getting to hopeful until I get my release! smile

mandasand Mon 28-Jan-13 01:27:24

I'm home! I made it to out-patient status and am so, so happy! My readings hadn't got worse, and my BP had come down, so they asked me whether I wanted to stay in or come home and of course I said home! (Even if it is a bit chaotic as we're in the middle of double-glazing being fitted in most rooms!) Back to the high risk clinic on Tues to have all the tests again and see what's what. They will take me back in straight away if anything is awry so thinking positive, happy thoughts!

Best of luck mandas. Keep a close eye on things and do phone triage with any changes.

Keep us updated smile

My girls are 4 months old tomorrow!

llightfoot Tue 29-Jan-13 20:08:47

hi i am being induced on tues lol identical twin boys very nervous about it

elisio1 Tue 29-Jan-13 20:16:26

Hi all

Thought I would join the club. Have already posted on the Multiple Births thread - a "help... I'm having twins" type message, but now feel a bit less shocked and more accepting and ready to embrace all that being a twin mum has to offer.

I've already got 2 DS - 5 and 2.5. Twins are likely to be a boy and girl, though I did have the gender scan very early on so might find out differently later on.

Now I've started announcing the news, people in RL have been so lovely and excited, I am feeling more positive about it all.

I'm due 10 July (40 weeks), although I imagine the due date will be brought forward as no-one seems to go that long. Haven't been told that much about twin births really - tho' I think I will be under consultant care at some point.

I'm 37 and also in Oxfordshire area so have some things in common with OP.

Anyway, hello everyone!

llightfoot Tue 29-Jan-13 21:25:32

hi i am being induced on tues lol identical twin boys very nervous about it

Frenchfamille Wed 30-Jan-13 11:49:32

I was induced too Lightfoot at 39 weeks. Everything came on slowly, perhaps a bit too slowly, and although I suddenly wanted to hide and sleep and act in denial, my husband encouraged me up, walking and getting on with things which actually got things going. I got to 3-4 cm when the top anaesthetist came in to talk to us (don't forget I'm in France) and strongly encouraged me to have an epidural. Having had 3rd son at home I was against this but he laid out a strong case. Baby 2 was breech, not a problem but their sizes were big. He was concerned I may end up with c-section and that it would be a last minute thing, he'd feel happier if I was 'prepared' before with everything in place. I got tearful, talked to husband and decided that putting all my wanting to do things completely naturally aside, perhaps I did need to think about this. So, we went ahead.

I went white according to my husband during the procedure as I was scared but I had one small dose and then it was up to me to press the button to get more pain relief. So I held out because I wanted to feel something and know when to push etc. But as it was, it was an extremely long long labour (probably not helped by epidural). However, what it did offer was that my husband and I sat together, holding hands, watching old classic comedies on his Ipad to pass the time, me with contractions but nothing horrendous, and I made the decision to enjoy the labour! It was actually quite a special time for us. With hindsight, Florence (no.1) was hard to get out, not descending that quickly and I was tired. So after she arrived, there was a team of medics all manipulating Lily-Rose round 180 degrees. The theatre ready for me.

I think in truth I would have found it too much without the epidural. It took 45 minutes between their deliveries but the manipulating was incredible, a great doctor with her team, and it meant no theatre. My pain threshold is pretty high I think but it was probably about 6 hours after the epidural that Florence was born. The french are over cautious but the reality is that I had had a hardish pregnancy in many respects, hadn't slept the night before, and I was completely shattered. Dulling the pain (I took minimal dose of epidural) probably got me through things without theatre. I even got the doctor telling me the next day that I was super 'forte' (strong!) which I appreciated hearing! One week later I ache from all the pushing (I really had to get into the zone for no.2 because I was very tired and could feel myself giving up a bit) and I pushed them out in highly gymnastic manouevres apparently perhaps explaining the aches today! But at 7 pounds and just over 7 pounds, I am amazed at what I was carrying around for so long.

Despite the French being much less into breastfeeding than British, I was determined to at least have a go as I had with the boys breastfed successfully. It's not easy at times logistically with the two but it has got much easier. In just a week they have definitely got the hang of it so I am really pleased. I fought a bit in hospital and after 4 days I think it was, was allowed to come out purely as they had started gaining weight and that I put forward the case that I physically needed another pair of hands at night. I was too bruised to pick them up easily and after 4 nights of virtually no sleep I knew I needed my husband's help and home.

Since then I have stayed in our bedroom, in the warm, snacks and drinks around me, with no visitors until my mum comes tomorrow. So many people dropping in but I have remained here, with the philosophy that I just want to be with twins, my 3 boys and husband before sharing with others. In hospital on the last night, despite a sign on the door, and telling the nurses I wanted to just be with the children and husband, 12 other people came and it was too much. I found it too over-whelming and so at home I thank my husband for being quite firm with well-meaning visitors. I think with twins your priorities change a bit, there's definitely double the healing (in my case) and double the hormones (emotional) but also double the protectiveness. I may not have had a c-section but physically I feel as though I've gone through a lot more than with the single pregnancies. Also I'm older!

I must just finish on a story that will make some of you cringe - midwife came monday to weigh the girls. I KNEW I had been breastfeeding well and that they were doing well. First baby on scales. Weight loss. Not possible I said. Followed by her telling me perhaps I needed more help, bottle etc. I started to get tearful and then thought hang on, you silly woman (her, not me!) you're weighing her on the bed. Bouncy surface. SO I told her to weigh her again on the table. Surprise, surprise. Superb weight gain. I was furious. I had got upset for nothing, been told all sorts of crap about supplements (not against bottles but just knew inside we were doing well as we were). Second baby WEIGHED ON TABLE - superb weight gain.

My husband said that I was not very subtle but that he was very proud that I had put her right. She didn't apologise but perhaps the fact she didn't want to come round til 8 days later tells me that at the end of the day, mums and instincts are key. I knew that the girls were doing well, but at the first sign, french midwife off on a different road.

So for all of you waiting to give birth, just given birth like me - yes, listen to the advice (in the case of the epidural for me it was probably the right thing to do) but trust your instincts. Because as I type this I have 2 well fed growing girls lying on me whom I and the family are totally besotted by, who have changed my life. Sometimes, it really is a case of Mum's know best!


french wow, amazing story from you. You sound v strong and focussed. I will be channelling you next week - both babies are breech so have decided to go for a section. TBF, both midwives and doctors have been open to the idea of vaginal birth even with two although obviously highlighting the risks but i'm not willing to risk it myself, partic if it ends up being an EMCS anyway! So babies will be here in Wednesday.

Mandasand - sorry to hear you have BP issues still. Mine has benn exemplary the whole way through - 126/85 today - it's,such a weird one and something you have so little control over but such a massive impact.

I am feeling a bit overwhelmed tonight now that my section is booked in - can't sleep at all desoite having a really busy day. I'm worried that i won't be able to cope, won't be able to BF (I really want to), won't be strong enough. Stupid really but hard to manage the negative thoughts when you're lying in the dark!

Free best of luck for Wednesday.

You will be fine. My section was decided on at 5pm and I was in theater an hour later, I was very scared. Turn out though it was a truly lovely experience. The doctors and nurses were amazing (there are ALOT of people in the room for a twin birth, 15 of us at one point!). Would it sound strange to say I actually enjoyed the experience? I BF & expressed for 5 weeks then had to give up as I needed surgery when the babies were 6 weeks old. I was gutted but to be honest, 13 weeks later, I am not slightly bothered that they are on formula. They are healthy, happy and thriving 4 month olds. Don't beat yourself up too much about BF. Take each day as it comes. You will be strong enough, you will find this amazing strength to care for your babies who you will fall totally in love with.

Do let us know how you get on smile

Frenchfamille Sat 02-Feb-13 00:35:28

Madasand - i would have opted for c-section too if I was in your position, it was only as Florence was head down that it seemed good to go that way. As I said, the epidural for me meant that whilst it wasn't exactly what i wanted, we had a few lovely hours, holding hands, watching old comedy classics, waiting for the time for the girls to come. I really did enjoy that side of it so I can imagine that you could take that from a c-s too. Enjoy the experience (especially if it's your last? - we now have 5 children so we are, as they say, definitely complete!!)

Not sleeping, normal.... night before induction I had a rubbish sleep but you still get through things on adrenaline. BF is not easy but I would imagine bottle feeding is challenging too - it's really the fact that there are TWO to feed, sometimes at the same time, that I found the tricky part. Not necessarily how you feed, but logistically how you do it. They couldn't wait to try and suggest bottles to me over here so at least in UK you will hopefully have alot of support if you do decide to BF. But even if the twins just get a few days of BF, that will be a real achievement. Think of it as every day is a bonus. But at the end, you don't get a badge saying you have BF so don't beat yourself up. I can't remember if you have other children but I found I had to prioritise time to the boys too as well as the girls. My biggest bit of advice is to not be afraid to shut the curtains at home and get husband to field off well-meaning visitors if you don't feel ready. Twins are no doubt a novelty to many visitors but in hospital i got fed up with friends of friends popping in!

My way of coping has been to send lots of pics to people on email, send updates to everyone and just say that I need a bit of time to physically heal (as you will after c-s) and that I want to see everyone but am waiting a little until I am out of nighties and not leaking everywhere! It has been for me the right thing to do and I feel I can cope with 5 children that way.

My lovely friends have left cakes, presents, food parcels in the porch and then just emailed me. Friends like these are invaluable. There's many months ahead of cuddles for everyone so if you just feel like keeping the twins to yourselves for a few extra days, don't feel guilty. Those early days are hard but very special.

Already after 11 days I see the personalities of our two coming out. Florence is the one who cries first, and seems a real thinker, more serious. Lily-Rose is such a watcher, craning her little head to see her brothers and of course, her sister. Special special times. Although I'm writing this at 1am while feeding them - so obviously very tiring too!!

Look forward to hearing your update. Enjoy your last few days and do all the things you can't do easily with a double buggy - such as going to a nice coffee shop sitting upstairs!

Frenchfamille Sat 02-Feb-13 00:36:57

SORRY - that was for Freebutton not addressed to Madasand. Told you I was tired and confused!!

Ah thanks French. First babies so at least i don't have other children to worry about. Am feeling a bit better now that DH has finished at the office (he is working from home Monday/Tuesday) - i also slept a bit better last night so feeling a bit more rested now. Things don't seem quite so dramatic when you're not tired!

We're building some ikea furniture this morning then lazing on the sofa watching rugby this afternoon. Tomorrow, will tkae your advice and do a wee bit of nice shopping - calm before the storm!

How exciting that their little,personalities are starting to shine through. I am so looking forward to seeing who they are. They are my babies but their own little people, even so young.

LookAtHerGo Sat 02-Feb-13 22:19:08

Oh this damn MN app, I've just wrote a long post and it's been eaten! Ffs. Trying to settle boys now, so I'll have to try again another time. Makes note to copy text before posting in case I need to paste it to post it again.

mandasand Sun 03-Feb-13 09:53:30

Hello lovelies! So are you booked in for CS on Wed 6th, Free? Be thinking of you and looking forward to hearing how it goes! Looks like mine will be within a week or so of that, and I'm getting a bit scared too.

Clinic on Tuesday was fine. On Friday they started me on beta-blockers for BP and wanted to keep me in. I refused (eek) and said I'd come in as often as they like as an out-patient. Yesterday spent three hours being assessed. Babies fine, very slight protein in urine (only the second time in two weeks of monitoring) but not a protein they are concerned about (?) In again on Tuesday, when I'm 36 weeks, and won't be surprised if they try to keep me in again. More prepared now - we've nearly finished putting the house back together after the double-glazing work and have re-packed my hospital bag! Will let you know if anything exciting happens...

Yes, Wed is the day. Feeling more relaxed now that things are settled. Have also repacked my bag (kept alll the sweets in!). Not looking forward to surgery but c'est la vie. Need to re-read some bits of "mothering multiples" on bf after a section - i want to give us the best shot at it and i think part of that involves me being strong and determined.

mandasand i think ou were right to insist on going home. More relaxing and so likely to be better for your health! Can't imagine how sitting ina hosp ward is supposed to help. Getting a date is weird but good. Not looking forward to the 'nil by mouth' from midnight though - i am v grumpy pre breakfast these days!

Frenchfamille Mon 04-Feb-13 22:27:19

Freebutton - don't worry about the BF. It's certainly different for me this time feeding two and I can see that people would find it difficult but to be honest, what I have found the hardest is not the actual breast feeding, but the fact I need another pair of hands! Whilst they hospital (in France) was very quick to talk about bottles, I really believe it's more the fact you need another person to help - pass babies, take babies etc. which is why I pleaded to leave hospital earlier than expected. Now exactly 2 weeks on (although I think I mentioned that my twins have different birthdays as Florence was born 10 to midnight, and Lily-Rose the next morning, 45 minutes later!) I am still home-based most the time, breast-feeding for what feels like a lot of the day (and night!) but expect this would be the same even if I wasn't feeding them.

I can clearly understand why mums of twins use bottles and you never know how you will feel/how quickly you are on your feet again etc and so some of these decisions are almost made for you. So if you want to BF, I'd give it a go (a couple of days of that good old early stuff is great for the babies) but don't worry if it doesn't work completely as you want it to. Chances are it will, but most important thing is that you and the babies are together, enjoying those early days, enjoying the cuddles and snuggles with them, congratulating yourself for being so clever to produce two perfect babies!

Enjoy it all. And best of luck for wednesday. I didn't sleep more than a couple of hours the night before I was induced but somehow you find the strength to survive the next few days (they are now a blur to me) and before you know it you'll be home with the babies. Til then, take all the help offered at hospital and don't forget to take your camera so you can photograph those special moments.

mandasand Fri 08-Feb-13 17:40:33

Just a quick note to say that my c-section is booked for next week, Weds 13 February, when I'll be 37+1. The pregnancy is getting quite difficult now so I'm looking forward to feeling a bit easier in myself ... as well as meeting our babies of course!

Any hints and tips for c-section with twins?

And how did things go for you, freebutton? Been waiting for news! Hope all has gone really, really well for you and the babes. xx

Best of luck mandas. It is very exciting that you will meet your babies soon.

Tips for c section...

-Arnica tablets, try take them a few days before the section and for a good few weeks after.
-Pack big dark comfortable pants. I used the massive bump pants as they were so comfy and by stomach was still pretty big for a few weeks afterwards.
-Pack a comfortable nightie that you can BF with. They will give you a quick wash after the section and help you dress into it. I packed a separate small bag for the section.
-Tescos 99p maternity pads are great. I liked them best out of the selection I bought
-Take a camera to theater with you
-Pack warm hats for the babies so they can put them on as soon as they are born. However, the hospital can provide them if you don't bring any.
- I took their nappy bag so I didn't have to dig in the big bad for nappy changes.
- I pack babies thing separately to mine so things could be found easily
- Slip on slippers to avoid bending over
- try get up and moving as soon as you feel well enough to
- keep well topped up with painkillers at all times

best of luck, let us know as soon as you can!


DigestivesWithCheese Sun 10-Feb-13 20:19:27

Good luck Manda!

I second the big pants advice. Also, I would recommend taking your own secret stash of painkillers with you - the strongest ones you can get hold off. In my hospital, it's common for the painkillers to be very late getting to you (or for patients to be completely forgotten). Hopefully this won't happen to you, but if you have some in your bag it could be helpful as it's important to take them on a regular basis for the first 24 hrs or so.

Also, some nice drinks for your bag and a big glass! I was trying to drink lots to help my milk increase, but the small plastic cups and jug of tepid water weren't very inspiring. DH brought me in a big glass from home and some bottles of squash - I found it easier to keep my fluids up then. I don't normally drink squash, but when trying to knock back pints at a time, it seemed to help :-)

Look forward to hearing your update!

My twins are six weeks now. It's all pretty relentless still but I've managed to get our for a few walks with them lately & find that really helps when i feeling tired.

Frenchfamille Sun 10-Feb-13 21:24:48

It's reassuring to read you write that it's a bit relentless, Digestives, because mine are coming up to 3 weeks and I'm feeling pretty tired! I don't really get to sleep much if at all in the day which sounds ridiculous but school here is only 4 days a week so wednesday and weekends my 3 boys are around all the time and it seems hard to sleep then. I really should make sure I sleep on the days they are at school but to be honest, I'm so happy just to get out the house for a little walk by lunchtime that by the afternoon I find I just start to think about sleeping and then it's time to collect the boys! We are not sleeping that much at night - not sure best way of doing things although last couple of nights not been too bad. We tend to end up with us all in bed as I feed one, but usually fall asleep during this. I'm sure people will tell me not to let them sleep in our bed but we just seem too tired to do anything else and seem to get most sleep like this. Any tips though or advice appreciated. Apart from that we are happily showering our little girls in cuddles, kisses and can't remember life without them! The big boys can't get enough!

Hi babies arrived on Wednesday after a v long tiring day waiting - we kept being pushed back due to emergencies so it was 18 hours without food and 8 without water. The op wasn't much fun I must admit but the babies are so beautiful. They a re truly wonderful and we are so enjoying getting to know them. My DH is if anything even more on live than me! Good thing with twins is that partners can really get to know the babies v quickly as there is always something that needs to be done for them.

Am still in hosp as baby Boy has trouble with his latch but hoping to leave today.

Top tips

- ask for pain relief regularly - good tip on bringing your own. Alsoake a mtenofnother mefa you shd be getting eg blood thinners, anti D and make sure you get them
- separate baby and mum bags and talk your partner through what is in each before hand
- my babies, although over 6lb, are much smaller than I thought ao all the clothes are swimming on them. Do take some v small clothes or have someone pick some up.
- a sports bottle ( for cycling ) that you can drink out of hands free an can stay in bed with you has been a life saver
- fliP flops are comfy to wear as shoes
- after about 36 hours, we got a note book to write down feeds/nappies etc. it's too hard to remember otherwise and you will be asked constantly if they have pooed/weed etc
- if you are bf, do be really viligwnt on how much they are feeding. V easy with two to let a feed slip r allow your Dh to rock one back to sleep whichthen means a feed is missed. All this will slow down your release of they don't progress enough
- If there are problems, you will need to make sure you know what te plan of action is and ask for info on how the next stage will work. All the MW have been lovely but I am a big teaching hosp so continuity of care has been an issue and there were a few days when I had to repeat our history/ thoughts to a new MW each morning/evening so it felt we were not being listened to
- chek out what time partners need to leave. I've found that since we are in a private room (even though NHs) and DH doesn't leave it much they are fine for him to stay til 12pm. It means I call the midwives less in those hours and I can usually get an hour's sleep before he goes home.

Oh and not being pregnant with twins is awesome. Even though I am tired and sore and achey in new ways, I still havesooooo much more energy than I did on Tuesday. Physically, I am trying not too do too much so am in bed all day pretty much unless I have to go somewhere but I feel so much stronger and more like myself already. That is a real positive for me.

mandasand Mon 11-Feb-13 13:25:15

Oh FreeButton congratulations on the arrival of your little ones!! I must admit I shed a tear just then reading how much better you feel just not being pregnant, and how much more like yourself. I literally cannot wait for this. It's become really, really hard recently and I do so want my body back to something like its normal functionality (and I hope brain will follow!)

Thanks to all for the really excellent advice, and the good luck! I'm nervous as hell about the op - well, rather, it's more about being awake during the op that I don't like the idea of, but it's got to be done! I will post news as soon as I can :-)

Home! An hour's kip in my own bed and a proper meal and i feel like a new woman.

Congratulations to all the new mummies!! I still find it relentless at 10 months smile

Don't forget to come and see us here
once they're here thread!

Has anyone heard from Mandas? I can't wait to hear her news grin

How are you and new twinlets doing, free, french digestives?


We are doing okay i think. Feeding issues massively improved once their tongue ties were dealt with. DTS has now got BF after a bit of a dodgy start - he's still notmkeen on full AM boobs but hopefully that will imorovemwith time. and i have had to get stuck into tnadem feeding this afternoon, improvising with rolled up blamkets and cushions. We were successful in the end and nowmhave 2 quiet babies! It feels so much more relaxed and I am feeling less,torn between them which is nice. Just need to get my supply up so that they can start to feed a bit faster.

My scar is a bit twingey but okay. Am religiously taking my painkillers which is helping. Starting to feel vaguely human today - I even have jeans (albeit maternity ones!) on today!

Must admit that we are getting a decent amount of sleep which helps soooo much. DTD didn't sleep til 3am but then slept til 10 with only a quick feed at 7. DTS went down at midnight-ish and had one formula feed at 5am which DH did, then slept til 9. So enough sleep to feel human.

Will investigate the other thread soon and join you experienced twin-wranglers!

mandasand Tue 26-Feb-13 10:52:53

Hello! May I announce myself as a new mummy of scrummy twins! Matilda (6lbs 10oz) and Dylan (5lbs 7oz) were born by c-section on 13 February and after a prolonged 11 days in hospital we are all now home and very happy! I will upload a pic of these adorable creatures to my profile shortly :-)

The c-section was fine, but by the end of the day I had developed a haematoma so had to go in for a further operation to sort that out. I think this must have slowed my healing a bit, and certainly it made small matters like constipation, trapped wind etc worse afterwards! Also, I developed a UTI and a minor (fingers crossed) wound/womb infection in the last few days in hospital for which I was on IV antibiotics and now tablets. Feeling better already, even though I think I'm overdoing things a bit round the house.

But the main reason we were in so long was that the twins fed poorly in the early days and were jaundiced, necessitating a four-day stay in the low dependency unit for fattening up. By day five M. had lost 12% of birth weight and D. 7%. After four days in the LDU we were pretty much back up to birth weights, thanks to every third feed being intubated (DH and I did the others by bottle). This time last week was a very dark time, feeling like an utter failure as a mum and distraught at having the babies living in a different ward to me and DH (we were blessed with a family room), but a week later and we're home, they are taking huge feeds, and already after just a couple of days we've got into a nice routine. the lack of sleep is punishing, as I'm sure many can relate to, but we're slowly moving form 3 to 4-hourly feeds which feels very exciting!

I am trying to express. The night before last I leaked for the first time overnight, which was so cool! The MW brought over a Medela double pump yesterday and I managed 50mls - a PB! Very little this morning, but I'm still trying to encourage my meagre supply rather than feed them entirely off it! Getting them fed is the priority though, and if I can add some breast milk into the formula mix I'll be a happy lady.

I'll post this across a couple of threads as my poor brain probably can't cope with re-writing!

Ah, lovely news, congratulations mandas smile I have been looking out for your post!

Welcome Dylan & Matilda, lovely weights and gorgeous names. Glad they are feeding well, they will soon be lovely plump babies. Wow, already into a routine, you are doing well mama.

I hope you have healed up nicely and are feeling stronger each day. Feel free to ask any questions if you have any. Don't worry too much about expressing, just do what you can manage.

All the best to you and your new little family x

And they are lovely lovely lovely! Congratulations again smile smile

DigestivesWithCheese Tue 26-Feb-13 12:48:24

Congratulations! I was wondering how you were getting on. Well done on getting through the early days, it's so hard being separated from your baby/babies, I'm glad you're safely home now. :-)

Cheeka Thu 28-Feb-13 00:00:33

Hullo there-Congratulations to all the new mummies!i've been semi lurking and lapping up all the news on the new arrivals... I'm expecting my twins in a couple of weeks via an ELCS and i'm starting to get excited/panicky..I apologise in advance but I'm probably going to innudate this board with lots of twin related questions!! Ok, first off...I have a 25mth DS and I was wondering how to prepare him for the twins arrival? I think the idea of two babies is a little too abstract for him to understand at the moment so I was wondering if anyone had any tips on how to introduce a toddler to newborn twins....Giving him 2 baby dolls? Buying DS two presents from each baby? Not sure how to go about it. DS is not that bothered about new toys/presents...TIA smile

Cheeka Thu 28-Feb-13 00:04:04

Sorry, meant to say *buying DS TWO presents, to come from both babies... blush

mandasand Thu 28-Feb-13 08:55:45

Thank you, garden and digestives! We're amazed with our gorgeous little bundles!

Health Visitor came yesterday and weighed them, and their weights are fab now - clearly we're doing something right! Attached to the pump right now, with breakfast and tinternet. I find I don't get anything coming through till 15 mins in, and then it takes another 15 mins or so till I can (and not always) reach 10mls across both boobs. Hopefully the Domeridone will help but I've got a couple of days of antibiotics to finish first, then I can start!

andadietcoke Tue 12-Mar-13 17:17:15

Hello! Been lurking for a little while, but thought I'd say hi. I'm expecting DCDA twins in September and have had a second go at my scan today after they couldn't get EDD or NT measurements on Friday.

Round 2 went slightly better, but one twin is measuring about 10 days behind the other. BigTwin was stretched out though, and LittleTwin a bit curled up, so I don't know how much I should be worrying (I worry about everything). Has anyone experienced the same or similar? BigTwin was measured at 14+0 when I'm fairly sure I'm only 13+4, and LittleTwin at (I think) about 12+3.

Dildals Wed 13-Mar-13 10:24:40

Hi, Gardenpixie helpfully pointed me towards this thread. I am 9 weeks + a couple of days with (IVF) twins. Absolutely gobsmacked in the beginning but really excited now. Still nervous of things going wrong so am keeping fingers crossed till the 12 wk scan. In the mean time I will be lurking here and gleaning tips!

I was really surprised to find out it was twins, because I don't feel that pregnant at all. Had a bit of low level nausea & sore boobs in the beginning, but now I feel fine, maybe a bit more tired than usual, but nothing that I would notice if I didn't know I was preggers. Am I just one of the 'lucky ones'? Or perhaps it is still around the corner? Did any of you have v little symptoms?

twintrimum Sun 17-Mar-13 19:58:29

Hi All, I've just signed up today and found this thread. I'm at 15+3 with (IVF)twins. Due in September but they will be here one way or another by august. Reading the stories of your new arrivals is getting me excited about it all. I have felt terrible all the way through - Dildals I am so jealous of you. I've had sore boobs since the first week, I've been sick most days for the last 10 weeks. I have had more energy and less nausea since I got into the second trimester but I still feel pretty terrible. I am really looking forward to my 20 week scan in about a month's time. I love it when my DH can come along and see them for himself, he seems so excited too and I love that - it makes all the sickness worthwhile :-)

mandasand Wed 20-Mar-13 18:01:39

Welcome to those expecting twins! Exciting!

I'm re-posting this update-with-questions from another twins thread:

Seems ages since I've posted. Twins are 5 weeks today and chunky little monkeys. Both over 8lbs now. Compared with others I don't think they are bad at the whole sleeping thing, probably because they got into a reasonable feed/sleep routine before we left hospital. Trying to maintain that, but it's often thrown out when we have house guests wanting to prod and dandle them when they should be sleeping. That said, they have been more grizzly over the past week. Both v. snuffly and DTD (does this mean darling twin daughter?) producing pea-green snots. MW signed them off today and thinks DTS (darling twin son?!) has oral thrush, which could explain his grizzliness.

Anyway, I was back in hospital last week for a D&C for retained placenta - boo! Still bleeding, still crampy, and nervous about coming off antibiotics as when I did last time that's when I started to bleed and clot really heavily, resulting in being whisked off to hospital in rather dramatic fashion early one morning. FX for me!

Any advice on tandem feeding with formula? (Gave up expressing / stimulating paltry milk supply.) I have tried propping them up in a big sausage cushion turned into a circle, but I suspect there ends up being more milk in the muslins that in the babies! I wonder if 5 weeks is too early to try this trick? Maybe it's too early anyhow - when I break to wind one, the other either cries or falls asleep, etc and we all get out of sync.

Also would love advice / others' experience with having lost stomach muscles. They were about 6-8 inches apart post-birth and the inner workings of my intestines were magnificently on display! Thankfully, I'm now at about 4-5 inches and my intestines are more hidden away. Got a tubigrip and am trying to 'hold in' belly a lot, on advice of hospital physio. And got a physio who is also pilates teacher coming over for 1:1 session tomorrow (terrified both babies will be screaming at once - yikes!) Sorry for big, me-me-me post!

Cheeka Mon 08-Apr-13 11:38:25

Hi there-I thought I'd be brave and post my birth story because I found them to be so useful and inspiring when pregnant with my beautiful twins are now 3weeks and 3 days...
I had an ELCS at 37 weeks exactly. DT1 was breech and had been so for weeks (my PFB DS was also breech so this was to be my second CS) everything on the day went smoothly, the medical staff were lovely and it was very relaxing though I was really nervous...DT1 came out squawking and she weighed 5lb 7, followed by DT2 who was also squawking grin He weighed 5lb 12. Because there were two, one baby got whisked away to another room for the initial tests-apgar etc. I was initially concerned but they reassured me that it was because of space issues! It was such a lovely moment when they were both handed to mesmileI did specify skin to skin but because I had to be patched up, I only got to see them briefly and then my DH disappeared off with the twins.i did get skin to skin after theatre and i managed to get them latched on briefly. Recovery post op was fine-hardly felt pain as I was topped up with painkillers, I would say I felt better this time round compared to my first CS recovery...what was noticeable (and still is) I felt heaps better - physically - AFTER the twins came out, I think I was really struggling in the last few weeks of my pregnancy. After recovery, I was put in a side room (1 bed) which made such a huge difference to being on a ward. Perks of having twins!!I stayed in hospital for 4 nights, they wanted to keep an eye on DT1's feeding and weight gain because she was just under 2.5kg. There was an issue with her blood sugars so she was being tested before each feed, every 3-4 hrs which wasn't much fun as they had to take a pinprick of blood from her heel each time sad i was also instructed to give her formula top ups after each bf.envythe twins started to develop jaundice during my stay but they deemed it was at ok levels when they discharged me. I am currently ebf the twins. It's going well but I have the usual doubts - have I got enough milk, is the latch ok, have they got wind or colic confusedsad...they were both cluster feeding with a vengeance last night, which I found really tough as I had to tandem feed them all night. They did have mini breaks-falling back exhausted and milk stained on my bf pillow grin-but it was pretty much full on.i'm finding the nights to be really tough. They sleep all day - broken up by feeds but at night they get really grizzly, can't settle despite looking exhausted...they cry quite a bit which makes me stress because my DS (2yr 3mth) gets disturbed by them. I've resorted to camping out in the living room to keep the noise to a minimum..My DH helps out but once poor DS is up, I send him off and then I struggle with the twins for the rest of the night. Im not getting much sleep, I snatch moments - nodding off over the twins as they bf on my pillow-or on the rare occasions they fall deeply asleep, I lay them in the crib and flop on the sofa for 1-2hrs.but in the main as I settle one, the other wakes up! But to end on a positive note, they are so lovely and cute and I'm very proud of them....smileapologies for badly written post-typing on my phone...

Blending Mon 08-Apr-13 13:35:37

Thanks for comming back and updating!

Fed up doesn't cover it, I'm loosing my mobility, but the bump support band has been a bit of a god send, and really makes all the difference.

I'm now 30 weeks, and its all becoming a reality! I need to pull my socks up as I am not organised enough, I've got most bits for the hospital bags (ELCS bag for me, and baby bag for hospital stay)they just need throwing together, and DH is so laid back he is horizontal. His attitude is that if they arrived tomorrow, nothing would fit them anyway so he'd have to go and get other stuff anyway! I guess thats because with DD I ended up in hospital for weeks due to a Pullmonary Embolism, Pneumonia and Cardio Myopathy, so he just used to pop out for supplies as we needed them.

The amount of people who have been horrified when I said I was going to BF has surprised me, I successfully BF DD until 9 months, and the idea of double bottles, sterilising, and all the faffing that goes with it fills me with dread. I'm no super women, more of a slob, so its great to hear that it can work out, as I do understand that I will feel like Daisy the cow for the first few months, but hopefully I will reap the benefits later (Sod all the good it does 'em I want and instant supply on tap, at the right tempreture 24 hours a day, without all the messing about!)

I am prepared though, if it doesnt work out though to not beat myself up too much!

I have been signed off work, but officially start my holidays on Wednesday as I need to take them this holiday year, with ML starting on the 20th May, which is 9 days before I'm booked in for the section.

Sorry for such a long post!

butterflyexperience Wed 10-Apr-13 11:30:32

Hi all

I'm now 26 weeks and feeling big! My back hurts with all the weight and my bump has dropped really low.
I'm now getting excited as we get closer and I'm being told the babies are doing well smile

Blending - how exciting 30 weeks!! How are you feeling about the impending arrivals?

Cheeka - lovely birth story thank you for sharing smile any reason why you had elcs at 37 weeks? I only ask as I've been told I'm too have mine at 38 weeks.
Think your amazing for bf I really want to but am nervous about the constant feeding and the sleep deprevation

Cheeka Wed 10-Apr-13 18:07:59

Hi butterfly-i was booked in for 37 weeks because my hospital's policy is to induce twins at 37wks..
I'm still ebf the twins but I'll be honest, it's becoming a real struggle and I'm going to post soon on here detailing my woes and asking for advice...i keep willing myself to get through the next couple of weeks...

butterflyexperience Wed 10-Apr-13 18:12:35

Thanks cheeka.
I may ask if I can go in at 37 weeks too...

Ebf one baby is hard enough let alone 2 so the fact that you have done several weeks is amazing!!

Blending Wed 10-Apr-13 22:27:07

I'm booked in for 37 weeks too, but with previous medical problems, they wont risk me going any later.

I agree amazing to even get that far with the BF. I am promising myself I will be practical and not beat myself up, just because I managed before, this time it will be more difficult.

I'm a bit fed up now. I don't want to say anything that would jinx it like I want them out soon ...but the next 7 weeks can't go quick enough for me! (if I get that far... fingers and legs crossed!)

Struggling with my 2 yo now and losing more mobilty by the day, although some days are better than others.

Anyone else boiling hot at night?

butterflyexperience Thu 11-Apr-13 07:09:12

Yes to getting hot at night, especially my feet!
It's as if I want to stick them into snow to cool them down. And my boobs!

It's so hard being pregnant with a 2 year old to look after as they are so young and still need attention

Do you have any help blending? Is your toddler in preschool or nursery at all?

Interesting that another is being induced at 37 weeks too...

shaydealmost4 Thu 11-Apr-13 11:53:23

Hiya I have just found out I'm expecting twins but I already have a 5 & 2 year old so I am slightly terrified, any advice on how to cope, thanks x

Blending Thu 11-Apr-13 13:13:13

Butterfly I'm not really coping...but I've had some great advice on the pregnancy board on ideas of how manage a little better.

Hi Shay, how far along are you?

Err not in a position to give advice yet, but I have just been on the phone to Home Start and they are sending someone out to visit, with a view to having someone pop in a couple of times a week to be an extra pair of hands.

They provide help to multiple birth familys, and I was a little bit worried about contacting them, thinking as both DH and myself work so don't get any benefits but they were great on the phone and said its about support, not means tested or for families in crises.

I realised that with a toddler and 2 x newborn I'm going to need some help especially as I'm finding it hard already!

Other avenues I'm going to explore further are the local college for Nursery/Nanny students who need placements, again they can place someone with you for work experience a term at a time if you have twins. They cant be left alone with the babies but you can pop for a shower, make a brew, or grab some lunch whilst there is a spare pair of hands in the house!

Unfortunately Fortunately my family all work, so no support there except for my Mum and she had a stroke whilst I was pregnant with DD, so whilst she would be great not practical.

DH is Dutch, and whilst very willing his family are all in the Netherlands, so any help means they need to stay here which brings all sorts of other issues! ( Don't want SIL here whilst I've got leaky boobs, bleeding all over the place,hormonal as hell, tryinging to establish breastfeeding and still feeling like I should be hospitable etc etc etc) And it would only be short term help anyway, for a few weeks or so.

Sorry I've waffled on again!

shaydealmost4 Thu 11-Apr-13 13:44:47

I'm almost 13 weeks so I only found out 2 days ago it was a Hugh shock, I'm not looking forward to all the extra discomfort I had it bad enough with my other 2, do u know if its possible to have them naturally x thanks

Blending Thu 11-Apr-13 14:34:27

It took us a while to get our heads around it...not sure we have got over the shock yet grin Dh particulary didn't take it too well, but hes is now looking forward to it...almost!

What type of twins do you know?

Does your hospital have Twin clinics? I go every 4 weeks and have a scan and see the twin midwife, so thats a positive that we get to see them more often than singletons. Its perfectly possible for most people to aim for a natural birth, as long as the baby who is due to come out first(known as the presenting twin) isn't breech and you havent had any previous complications etc

Theres is lots of support and information, even just reading back over the twin club threads has been useful, and organisations like T.A.M.B.A (Twins And Mutiple Births Associaction have useful information on their site, and can put you in contact with local groups.

Take a deep breath, and relax, just think twice the newborn snuggles!

Dildals Thu 11-Apr-13 15:30:51

Shay I am 13 weeks too, but I found out earlier, I walked aroudn in a daze for 2.5 days but I am alright now. It's our first PG though, bit different!

blending I read about Home Start, and am definitely going to call them too closer to the time! I will be rallying up all the help I can get!
I am really keen to find a twin midwife, although there is a twin clinic at my hospital there is no MW that specialises in twins, well, not that I have found. Also I do get the impression that hospitals will push for a CS rather than natural, which is a shame because the experience on how to deliver twins naturally is disappearing that way!

shaydealmost4 Thu 11-Apr-13 15:58:20

I know after my 20 week scan I will have 1 every 4 weeks and have to go for a consultation every time and hopefully I will be able to have a natural birth then as both of my previous were fine, am a bit gutted I probably won't be able to have a water birth cause I loved that &#128522;x x

shaydealmost4 Thu 11-Apr-13 15:58:59

Oh and dcda twins x

Dildals Wed 17-Apr-13 14:04:35

Hi, Question time. I have a work trip that I need to plan to Dubai (hot). I will be 20 wks with twins at that point. I can move from aircon to aircon, that shouldn't be a problem. Travel will be business class, so pretty smooth. There's only a 3 hr time difference so that's OK too.

My boss doesn't want me to go, because she thinks I should just lie down in cotton wool.

Am I being silly to go on this trip? Or is the bump/tiredness still pretty manageable at 20wks?

Your view is appreciated!

andadietcoke Wed 17-Apr-13 17:20:10

I'm coming up to 20w and went to Cyprus at 18w. I stayed hydrated and in the shade and was fine once I'd acclimatised. It was a 5 hour flight which isn't far off what you'd be doing - if you're flying Emirates you'll have leg rests etc but asking for a bulkhead seat might be a good idea so you can get about more easily (unless you're flying business or first of course!).

Blending Wed 17-Apr-13 20:27:47

Well I felt huge at 20 weeks, but I did get a spurt of energy around that time. I would be wary about having to manage any luggage though. How long would it be for?

If its business class I'm sure you'll be fine, although it will be hard to refuse the nice wines and pates that they normally offer!

Make sure you get insurence that covers pregnancy related issues, as most exclude it.

Later on than 20 weeks though you might just be a a tiny bit uncomfortable but you can't fly after 32 weeks with most airlines when you are having twins anyway so a moot point!

Blending Wed 17-Apr-13 20:32:19

Oh and I would take confirmation that I was 20 weeks pregnant as I was nearly refused boarding on my return flight from Amsterdam when I was pregnant with DD and I was only 28 weeks- Apparently I looked 36+ to the staff on the gate!

Cheeka Wed 17-Apr-13 20:45:47

I went to Florida the day after my 20wk scangrin although I did feel tired, looking back it was relatively easy compared to the last few weeks of my pregnancy. Just take plenty of rests...

Dildals Thu 18-Apr-13 15:42:29

blending extremely good point on insurance! I checked and they don't cover any pregnancies >18 wks if they are the result of fertility treatment and/or multiples! Bit harsh!

It sounds like I could travel, physically, but I am not going to travel without insurance, that would just be daft. I could potentially look in to private cover, but the trip isn't THAT important!

Thanks for your replies ladies!

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