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Is this the start of the peri-menopause? TMI Warning.

(822 Posts)
ScarahStratton Sun 16-Oct-11 17:25:05

Normally I have nice, light, regular periods. No cramping, no pain or bloating (I know, I've been incredibly fortunate).

This month I am having the period from hell. Very heavy, feel like I've put on 2 stone in as many days, and absolutely horrific cramps that nothing is shifting.

I've spent hours in a steaming hot bath today, and just want to crawl into bed with a big mug of tea and LittleDog to cuddle.

I'm 44.

Thingumy Sun 16-Oct-11 18:01:12

Could be or it maybe just one of those wierd periods.

Note any differences over the next few months and if you are still concerned I would ask for a hormone level check at your gp surgery.

Hope you feel better soon.

CeliaFate Sun 16-Oct-11 18:08:05

I've had weirdness too. 15 days into my cycle I started again, then a day later it stopped. Now I've got PMT and want to kill someone, but no sign of a period yet. Day 32 now. I'm too fucking young to be menopausal, I'm 41 for fuck's sake! angry <-----actual photo of me.

witchywitchof2biggerones Sun 16-Oct-11 18:19:57

I got checked out last year for this - had a whole heap of blood tests to check why I was so tired all the time, periods became hit and miss and the HEAT!!!

All came back as ok, but I still get the heat especially at night - there are times I sleep on top of the duvet with a very thin sheet for cover as that is all I can stand.

I'm only 38, so not too sure what is going on, but I do think that diet and alcohol excerrbate the symptons, for example if I have a few drinks then the 'night heat' gets worse.

ScarahStratton Sun 16-Oct-11 18:21:56

Ah Celia, I've never had the Rage, and I was going to say I wasn't feeling Rageous this time, but I had the Rage last night on that television thread. It bugged me. I hardly ever get bugged by threads, but I wanted to shake the OP until her teeth rattled. <thoroughly ashamed>

Thanks Thingumy, I've not had a period like this ever. It's awful and I don't know how women put up with this every month.


I too get the night heat thing. Like you said witchy it is worse if I have had a drink or two, but it also happens a week before my period. My periods are really, really light, perhaps because I run a lot, but I have started to get the cramps, just like being a teenager again but without the acne. grin

I am a serious RAGER. It seems to have got worse over the last couple of years. Perhaps I need to go and see someone, but what can be done, really??

ScarahStratton Sun 16-Oct-11 18:34:49

I'm not really getting the heat. But I'm not a cold person anyway, I only ever need a really thin duvet at the most.

I'd rather see if there's any supplements that would help first.

<off to photograph beautiful faux-marble bath for the loo seat thread>

crazynannawitchbitch Sun 16-Oct-11 18:44:04

Can I just ask,does the length of numerous cycles have a bearing on if menopause is nigh? I am 48,and here are my last 8 cycles:
38 days
23 days
39 days
20 days
20 days
26 days
47 days (bliss!)
30 days
As you can see,I am getting caught out all the time,at work,in Tescos. blush. Other symptoms are really tired,raging PMT (but just for 2 days),and weirdly indigestion which could be because I am a greedy cow.
Should I have a blood test? smile

Crazynanna, your cycle is looking a lot like mine. I used to be as regular as clockwork and now it's ranging anywhere from 20 days up to 50 this last time. The PMT is dreadful and they are horribly heavy and painful. I presume menopause but probably should go and get checked out. I'm 47.

crazynannawitchbitch Sun 16-Oct-11 19:01:32

Thanks Whippoorwhill I think I will. I just wish it would all just make up it's mind.

cyb Sun 16-Oct-11 19:03:36

I have a heavy messy period every 15-18 days and if I'm not up on a manslaughter charge VERY soon I will be amazed. Am awaiting hormone results from blood test

cyb Sun 16-Oct-11 19:04:11

I'm 41 1/2 btw

Mwahahahahahahahouseface Sun 16-Oct-11 19:06:08

CrazyNanna - your cycle is the same as mine, I'm 36. I have no idea when my period will arrive. It always feels like any day now but no bleeding appears. I hate it. Long line of problems with me, my mum, my nan and now my DD sad

bigTillyMint Sun 16-Oct-11 19:08:21

Yes you all sound lie you could be at some stage of the peri-menopause smile

I have been having wierd cycles/manslaughter-like periods/raging PMT/night sweats, etc for about 3-4 years now and I am 47. I have had hormone tests and am now on HRTshock which seems to have calmed everything down - most omportant when you have a pre-teen hitting puberty in a big way!

witchywitchof2biggerones Sun 16-Oct-11 19:08:40

Some months my family willingly leave me retreat back to do my own thing and then other months period turns up with no pmt stuff confused

TMI, but sometimes some months are heavier than others, again can't explain why this is - BLOODY HORMONES!!!

bigTillyMint Sun 16-Oct-11 19:09:59

Yep, all sounds horribly familiar!

ElectricSoftPusPornParade Sun 16-Oct-11 19:10:14

I'm 42 and missed two periods. Went to docs after negative pregnancy tests and was told to come back after I had missed 3 periods and he would organise blood tests to test my hormone levels. The night sweats have been hideous and I am extremely tetchy.

But, on Friday I came on and have been laid in bed most of the weekend as it is so heavy and painful. Hope this is a blip because I would rather be menopausal than have this type of period.

I have been telling myself that this is a new phase in my life and I should embrace it. Then I tell myself to STFU and stop being so drippy. Then I get angry followed by tearful. New phase my arse.

ElectricSoftPusPornParade Sun 16-Oct-11 19:11:30

BigTilly What difference does the HRT make? Is it noticeable?

witchywitchof2biggerones Sun 16-Oct-11 19:12:44

OMG Electric - the bloody tears, there are some nights I cry myself stupid over the stupidest thing - never watch DIY SOS when feeling slightly hormonal!

ElectricSoftPusPornParade Sun 16-Oct-11 19:13:49

grin at DIY SOS.

BarryStar Sun 16-Oct-11 19:14:09

I'd say that any changes in your periods, whether changes are related to duration of actual period, length of cycle, type of discharge etc, are likely to be indicative of peri-menopause. But also probably a good thing to have your hormone levels checked and to rule out anything else.

Mine are just starting to become irregular, which is fine. Big problem here is the horrendous night flushes. For similar sufferers, have your tried agnus castus or black cohosh? I have friends who swear by them but for me they did bugger all.

crazynannawitchbitch Sun 16-Oct-11 19:15:00

Mwahahahahahahahouseface You been to the docs? smile

Mwahahahahahahahouseface Sun 16-Oct-11 19:16:49

sad I think that we all sound peri. I hate my body and it's unpredictability.

I spend days wearing a sanitary pad, expecting to see blood, (always bright red and fresh BTW, never old, dark blood) and I hate not knowing.

Then there's the weight gain. 2 weeks of swelling, bloating and even constipation, anyone else get constipation?

My breasts are beyond sore, plus half the time DH doesn't know where he's up to.

I hate who I am during that time.

bigTillyMint Sun 16-Oct-11 19:17:53

Softpusporn, yes the periods are now back to a regular once a month, lighter than recently and the PMT much lessened (though my family may still find me ranty and unreasonable at times smile)

Yes Barry, same for me - worked for one friend who has now gone 11months without a period envy, but I didn't notice much difference.

bigTillyMint Sun 16-Oct-11 19:19:12

Mwahaha, I still get a bit of bloating sad I was also found to be pretty anaemic, and the iron tablets make you hellishly constipated angry

ElectricSoftPusPornParade Sun 16-Oct-11 19:19:31

Mwahahaha I have always been regular but now I too know the joys of constipation.

It all wears you out, doesn't it? sad

ScarahStratton Sun 16-Oct-11 19:21:47

How do you deal with the cramps? I've had a couple of co-codamol left over from the DIY mishap, and a couple of ibruprofen, and it's not touched it. It feels like I have a huge weight in my stomach and my back and thighs are killing me.

Tonight, Cilla, I want to be a bloody man. sad

witchywitchof2biggerones Sun 16-Oct-11 19:25:50

Have you used the sticky heat pad things you can get from Asda, Scarah, I find sometimes that something warm on tummy area helps?

I often say calmly when chewing DH's head off that he is lucky to be a bloke!!!

Mwah I'm now a panty liner a day kinda girl. Just in case. And yes it seems like my period is about to come for at least half the month.

I also divorce dh every month.

grin at crying at DIY SOS.

I have tried Agnus Castus a while back but kept forgetting to take it with no discernible result. May be time to try again.

cyb Sun 16-Oct-11 19:28:14

I take Tranexamic acid for the heaviness which really helps

hatesponge Sun 16-Oct-11 19:29:11

I wonder whether I am as well, for about the last 3 years I have had weird periods (v heavy, horrible, about 14 days apart - previously 24 days almost without exception and not that heavy). I've lost a lot of weight this year and they have become much more infrequent - now about 40 odd days apart , and less heavy, though still more so than say 5 years ago. I also this year seem to have started to suffer pmt, never ever had it, now I have it all the time!

I am only 39 and slightly in denial as I still would like one more baby. The thought of being peri-menopausal actually makes me want to cry (though that could just be the PMT...)

Scarah, good old fashioned hot water bottle, bath and double the dose of ibuprofen.

crazynannawitchbitch Sun 16-Oct-11 19:29:45

I get the total opposite to the constipation blush
Everything is so nasty at period time "down there" sad

hatesponge Sun 16-Oct-11 19:30:36

I second the Tranexamic acid, when mine were bad it did really make a difference

OlderNotWiser Sun 16-Oct-11 19:31:01

Tho Scarah, if this is out of the blue, just this month, could you have been pregnant...?

ScarahStratton Sun 16-Oct-11 19:32:27

Me too crazynanna sad

I am using LittleDog as a hotwater bottle. I'll make a proper one, he's obviously not up to the job.

witchywitchof2biggerones Sun 16-Oct-11 19:33:43

LOL, LOL at Cyb - bearing in mind I'm tired and haven't got my glasses on - fuck I thought you had written tantricsex - that would be the absolute last thing on my mind.

Sorry like I said, tired and no glasses!

cyb Sun 16-Oct-11 19:36:08

scarah I've barely got the energy to hang the washing out ,never mind giving H a seeing to whilst saying salutations to the sun

ScarahStratton Sun 16-Oct-11 19:37:56

No, no chance of being pregnant. I've forgotten what sex is tbh <sobs>

crazynannawitchbitch Sun 16-Oct-11 19:39:26

If I had another baby,it would have batteries up it's arse wink

cyb Sun 16-Oct-11 19:40:12

Yes thats the other side effect Scarah

Apart from 24 hours before my period is due, then I am all over dh like a rash. That's how I know when it's coming.

ScarahStratton Sun 16-Oct-11 19:43:18

Ah no, now that's a side effect I'm not suffering. Quite the opposite. It's just a massive sex desert and there's not a single decent man in sight.

<really sobs>

witchywitchof2biggerones Sun 16-Oct-11 19:49:12

Lucky you Scarah, I'm with Cyb, so tired for anything apart from MN and getting some sort of therapy from this thread

Does anyone have the days of cannot be arsed to do anything, and everything seems to take forever to do - the school run can be a killer some days!

cyb Sun 16-Oct-11 19:52:14

Yes lots of cant be arsed days

Its horrid actually, because its not just me who it's affecting, family gets rough end of my tongue a lot when I'm PMT ish whch seems to be 2 weeks out of 4. And then I'm bleeding like a stuck pig for the other week

hoping my hormone results will recommend I get the whole lot whipped out with complimentary boob lift and lipo

ScarahStratton Sun 16-Oct-11 19:54:06

Oh yes, I've lost the last 3 days to that. All I've done is the laundry. C even BA to list something on Ebay that I really need to sell. And it was free listing weekend. Gah.

ScarahStratton Sun 16-Oct-11 19:55:09

A tummy tuck would be good.

Oh yes lots and lots of CBA days here too. Not good when you have a full time job, school run and are trying to train for a half marathon. grin

Cyb would your surgeon do two-for-the-price-of-one?

RECENTLYFOUNDOUT Sun 16-Oct-11 19:58:40

crazynannawitchbitch - Don't want to frighten you but some of your symptoms are those that can be seen in ovarian cancer. Of course they aren't only seen in OC and it's highly likely that it's nothing to be concerned about but If I were you I would wanting to be checked out just to be sure.

Hope I haven't offended!

crazynannawitchbitch Sun 16-Oct-11 19:59:41

Yep...CBArsed loads of moments...CBA even to go for a piss sometimes <but I do,obviously>

crazynannawitchbitch Sun 16-Oct-11 20:01:41

RECENTLYFOUNDOUT Seriously shock <ok calm down nanna>
Which symptoms do you think I should tell doc about?

witchywitchof2biggerones Sun 16-Oct-11 20:07:29

In a strange-good-way I'm glad I'm not alone!

I did make DH smirk earlier, I gave him the joyful news that when I do get the proper menopause DD should be well into her monthly cycle by then - he muttered something about buying a house for him and DS somewhere far, far away wink

Hassled Sun 16-Oct-11 20:08:39

If it helps, you've all made me feel heaps better. So nice to know I'm not alone - the exhaustion, the feeling like I'm about to start ages before I actually do (sore boobs, tearfulness, anger, more tearfulness), the heaviness of the bleeding, the complete irregularity (anything between 20 days and 35 days - both better than the few months of 14 days cycle I went through last year), all of it.

And then throw in the forgetfulness - I actually congratulated myself on managing to remember to take that nice new hair conditioner into the bathroom before I had a shower this morning. The remembering felt like an achievement. Pathetic. It sucks. It is unfair.

ElectricSoftPusPornParade Sun 16-Oct-11 20:08:57

I thinks its worth us all paying a trip to the GP, can't hurt.

I am becoming more and more vague. I wander around forgetting things and then getting cross with myself and then forgetting what I am cross about too.

ScarahStratton Sun 16-Oct-11 20:10:57

Sore boobs <tick>
Vagueness <tick>
Weepiness <tick>

I'm going to take myself to the GP for a hormone test.

And a new quiche is born.

ElectricSoftPusPornParade Sun 16-Oct-11 20:13:03

Hormonal Harpies?

Katisha Sun 16-Oct-11 20:14:44

Oh can I blame the forgetfulness on this?

I also forget actual words which is a pain. Not just where I left my reading glasses...

witchywitchof2biggerones Sun 16-Oct-11 20:15:55

Had forgotten about the forgetfulness wink

ScarahStratton Sun 16-Oct-11 20:18:21

I forget what I'm talking about halfway through a sentence. Or just stop talking.

ElectricSoftPusPornParade Sun 16-Oct-11 20:20:32

"DH pass me the (insert anything here). You know, the thing, that thingy, THERE! THE THINGY! God, don't help then <huff>.

Typical conversation atm.

witchywitchof2biggerones Sun 16-Oct-11 20:22:28

Oh dear god, what are we like?! I was talking to pil today and mid way through a sentence had to stop to remember a word (actually found myself clicking my fingers to try and remember, wtf)


Hassled Sun 16-Oct-11 20:25:17

I've just channel surfed and thought "Oh good, Antiques Roadshow". If that's not the thought of a menopausal woman, I don't know what is.

When my periods went through their twice a month phase, the Dr said: either it's fibroids (sent to the hospital for a hideous internal scan - no fibroids) or an infection (swabs taken - no infection) or the start of the menopause. She said we can do tests if you want, but might as well just wait and see. And like a fool I agreed to just wait and see - I need to remember (ha! that will involve holding on to a thought!) to go back and demand tests. I need to know WTF is going on. I can't be doing with all the weeping anymore.

witchywitchof2biggerones Sun 16-Oct-11 20:33:29

Themaster... well impressed you're training for a 1/2 marathon, when and where is it?

ScarahStratton Sun 16-Oct-11 20:34:29

I have taken to watching Daytime TV with aplomb. I used to have taste, now I'll watch anything. Unless it makes me cry, I do that a lot anyway, don't need further encouragement.

crazynannawitchbitch Sun 16-Oct-11 20:37:14

I turned up to babysit my grandchildren one week early,to looks of this hmm from dd1...she really thinks I am losing it.

crazynannawitchbitch Sun 16-Oct-11 20:38:43

I am loving Upstairs Downstairs on a Saturday morning blush

oldsilverbullet Sun 16-Oct-11 20:42:27

This is me too. Periods are getting so heavy and the days inbetween fewer and fewer = Am hoping they'll get to the stage it's down to zero soon grin Hot flushes during the day though. And just to confuse me I get about 4 days on, then a whole 24 hour gap, then it starts again for a couple of days - Pah!! Bloating - yes, tiredness - oh my god yes. Weepies - Oh yes.

I went to the GPs about a year ago, did the whole infection and fibroids/hideous scan thing - they said to go when I wasn't on, I had to apologise that the window of opportunity for that was very very small smile

Am 45 - it's not been right since DS was born nearly 6 years ago - Can I join!

ScarahStratton Sun 16-Oct-11 20:44:07

Welcome osb, kindly admire my faux marble bath though, please.

oldsilverbullet Sun 16-Oct-11 20:44:36

I wrote a meeting in my diary for 10 to 11, twice ... It is in fact at 1050 on both occasions.

Bellavita Sun 16-Oct-11 20:46:05

Gawd, what Cyb described, that could be me shock

I have the night heat from HELL. It is like it just takes over my whole body.

Very forgetful too.

The blood loss/clots is awful.

I am 46 btw so am probably well on my way to the menopause.

oldsilverbullet Sun 16-Oct-11 20:46:23

Faux marble bath duly admired ... did it come like that or is it your own artistry??

ScarahStratton Sun 16-Oct-11 20:46:38

I have an alarm on my phone for everything. Even putting the bins out. It's the only way I can function. confused

ScarahStratton Sun 16-Oct-11 20:47:14

It came like that. I shall sell it on Ebay and make my fortune. grin

crazynannawitchbitch Sun 16-Oct-11 20:51:26

Right,on RECENTLYFOUNDOUT's comment (thankyou btw),I have done what I shouldn't have done....friggin' Googled <idiot> and scared myself shitless. I have 3 maybe 4 symptoms,but only one of the main 3 of ovarian cancer. But,I have had these symptoms for years,so surely I would be dead by now?
Will make an appt
<feel free to jump in anytime and tell me I'm being a twat>

witchywitchof2biggerones Sun 16-Oct-11 20:52:03

Scarah, mmm nice bath <shows a picture of plain white bath boring>

oldsilverbullet Sun 16-Oct-11 20:55:15

Oh I would Scarah we all need to save for our dottage.

Lists, lists and lists of lists - is the only way to function!

witchywitchof2biggerones Sun 16-Oct-11 20:56:08

crazynanna - STEP AWAY FROM GOOGLE!! Anyone can convince themselves they have the worst disease on the planet via google.

Go to the doctor and tell him/her what you have said here and also mention that you looked into google for what it could be (be prepared for the dr to roll their eyes to the ceiling - mine did when I casually said that)

Hassled Sun 16-Oct-11 20:59:00

crazynanna - there's some Internet Law that says if you google ANY medical symptom it will tell you that you have cancer. I bet if I googled my iffy toenail I'd find a cancer reference before too long.

Go see your GP so you can stop fretting, but please try to relax about it. I think it's much more likely that your symptoms are down to the menopause - but then I'm not a doctor. Make an appointment tomorrow, count to ten smile.

ScarahStratton Sun 16-Oct-11 20:59:55

Or I may just go the whole hog and get the loo seat to match.

Shakey1500 Sun 16-Oct-11 21:02:01

Oh all these symptoms sound very familiar sad

witchywitchof2biggerones Sun 16-Oct-11 21:02:47

I think you should, I hope you'll be getting naice matching toilet and bath mats wink

crazynannawitchbitch Sun 16-Oct-11 21:03:00

Yes you're all's probably just the change. I feel well,apart from the periods and whatnot. Effing Google. <wibbles>

oldsilverbullet Sun 16-Oct-11 21:05:14
ScarahStratton Sun 16-Oct-11 21:08:37

Is that on a boat? I feel sick just looking at it.

oldsilverbullet Sun 16-Oct-11 21:12:04

Plane apparently grin suppose it saves on the cleaning though grin

Do any of you know when your DMs went hrough the change and is it around the same age?? My DM had a full histerectomy at 32 and obviously it is not somthing my DGM would ever have talked about - so I have no benchmark age so to speak.

ScarahStratton Sun 16-Oct-11 21:19:10

I asked mine earlier, she was a lot later, but she thinks I'm 'starting the change' as she so coyly put it.

BeaHellZeBubOnSea Sun 16-Oct-11 21:23:09

I'm 49 and have actually gone through the menopause and come out the other side (not had a period for 2 years so I think that's officially classed as having gone through it).

It started with my cycle going a bit haywire when I was about 45. I would go 3 months without a period then have a horrendous one. I didn't get the night sweats straight away but when I was about 47 I had quite a bad year. I went 6 months without a period then had one almighty one that lasted about a month. Really, really awful. But that was pretty much the last period I had.

Looking back, it wasn't as bad as I thought it would be but I took Menolieve (from Boots) all the way through and still take it to this day.

Just stock up on the Post It notes to aid the memory grin

BornToBeRiled Sun 16-Oct-11 21:28:24

Glad to see this thread. I have been wondering about this. Not 40 yet, and I feel really young. Actually would be quite upset and not enjoying staring ageing in the face, nor the far too frequent periods.

Bellavita Sun 16-Oct-11 21:33:45

Born, I still feel young too even though I am 46.

BeaHellZeBubOnSea Sun 16-Oct-11 21:35:16

I feel young on the inside.

I think the mirror must be lying.

ScarahStratton Sun 16-Oct-11 21:35:58

I am young.


Bellavita Sun 16-Oct-11 21:37:57

Scarah and Bea, we will be showing them at the MN Xmas do how it is done grin by the olds on the outside, young on the inside grin

ScarahStratton Sun 16-Oct-11 21:39:47

<air punch>

We so will.

<totters off to bed, exhausted>

oldsilverbullet Sun 16-Oct-11 21:41:52

I too, am young [indignant] - in fact, this spare tyre middle age spread I am developing is very young ... it wasn't there a few months ago grin

crazynannawitchbitch Sun 16-Oct-11 21:45:12

If I add the numbers of my real age together,I am only 12 wink

Littlefish Sun 16-Oct-11 21:46:49

I'm 43. Last September, I missed a period for no apparent reason. It happened again 2 months ago. My cycles are getting shorter used to be 31 days, now between 24 - 27 days). I presume that I'm peri-menopausal. Should I be going to see my GP?

oldsilverbullet Sun 16-Oct-11 23:23:31

Wow crazy you look good for 93!

BornToBeRiled Mon 17-Oct-11 06:23:47

<spends today muttering "I am young, I am young" and wearing inappropriate clothing to overcompensate>.

Adversecamber Mon 17-Oct-11 08:38:03

I need to join the PM quiche. My periods are closer together but I think I have a good ovary and an evil ovary as one period is okay and then the next hell,so think one is clapping out before the other.

I had evil ovary period on a work team building day and had such a heavy period I left a puddle on the chair blush. I ended up with my jumper tied around my waist for the rest of the day!

crazynannawitchbitch Mon 17-Oct-11 09:31:11

Ha ha very funny oldsilverbullet bitch grin

AnyPhantomFucker Mon 17-Oct-11 11:01:31

where do I sign up ?

Mwahahahahahahahouseface Mon 17-Oct-11 11:03:18

Sorry I vanished, IBS issues last night.

I have taken Tranexamic Acid in the past but I find it doesn't help because I only (sorry, TMI alert) gush for 2 days. And I mean gush. blush

I go through a full box of super-plus tampons and a pack of Always ultra towels every single time.

The pain is unbearable. I am on morphine for my disability anyway but I also take co-codamol 30/500 strength and Diclofenac.

I used to have three days off work at one point (now full time carer for SN DS)

I have been to see my GP who referred me to a gynea who told me I am far too young to experience the menopause and that there was actually no way of telling hmm

Regardless of the fact that I have night sweats, day sweats (my internal thermostat is buggered! grin) cramps that make me want to rip my insides out, I ruin underwear and trousers, stain bedding........

The worse thing is if you're away from home and it happens. Maybe we should start a support group?

A thread in General Health for those who go through this every month? Obviously I say month......... I mean 14 - 45+ days!

crazynannawitchbitch Mon 17-Oct-11 11:24:44

Adversecamber Sympathies...have done the jumper around my waist loads of times. Also,when getting in peoples' cars,I alwaystake a newspaper to sit on (cab drivers' particularly look at me oddly).
Hope you don't mind,but had a little chuckle at the 'evil ovary/good ovary' scenario smile <larfing just thinking about it in cartoon form>

MittzyTheVampishVixen Mon 17-Oct-11 11:32:32

<crawls onto thread sobbing with relief>

Meee too.
All of it, I just feel like I have been taken over by some Alien and I don't know myself or my body anymore.
I was diagnosed Peri and think there was a side order of BPD.
Heaven help any one who is nice to me because I want to bury myself in their arms and marry them!

I fill up to anything from Tracey Beaker, adverts and held back sobs through an entire episode of The Body Farm last week.hmm
It took me ages to work out how old I am on the bus with DS (much to his amusement)

My tastes have changed too.

Tell me that an exorbitant amount of chin hairs is also a sign of PM? Please.

Mwahahahahahahahouseface Mon 17-Oct-11 11:47:51

<hugs Mittzy>

Themaster - I do have a couple of thicker hairs that grow on the lower part of my face, they only usually last an hour before they are obliterated! grin

But yes, I've noticed a lot of changes over the past year or so. I seem to be 'ovulating' all the time so have cramps for most of my cycle, if you can call it that.

Oh to be a man for a while each month.

crazynannawitchbitch Mon 17-Oct-11 12:21:43

I am crying about thoses ads on TV for the African babies....I literally weep buckets sad,and I never did last year. A cat across the road the other day had a squawking bird in it's mouth, I was snotting and everything hmm
Hormonal Annie or what! I am usually a hard nosed caaahh!

crazynannawitchbitch Mon 17-Oct-11 12:23:18

Also,I have so many chin hairs,I am looking like a cross between Brian Blessed and a Wolef !

witchywitchof2biggerones Mon 17-Oct-11 12:25:48

crazy - I have to turn adverts like that over normally because 1. blubbing and 2. I start the rant at DC about how lucky they are blah, blah, blah.

Amapoleon Mon 17-Oct-11 12:31:09

I am going to the drs on Wednesday for blood tests. I fear i maybe peri menopausal too. I'm 40. My periods are coming too often and I have pmt almost the whole month, sore boobs, anger, feeling low, indecisive, paranoid, teary etc etc etc. I just want to feel normal again!

ElectricSoftPusPornParade Mon 17-Oct-11 12:49:01

I have a full on beard now sad and if I don't religiously pluck my chin each night by morning I have the 5o'clock shadow look.

Flaming marvellous eh??

LadyEvilEyes Mon 17-Oct-11 12:54:43

I got pretty mad on that TV tread Scarah, so you weren't being menopausal there I assure you.
Can't really advise though, I was on the depot injections for years so didn't get periods, then after breast cancer I had to go on tamoxifon and come off the depot.
I just never got another period and practically no side effects at all.

ElectricSoftPusPornParade Mon 17-Oct-11 13:09:30

<bad form> What TV thread? Would like share some of my grumpiness grin

crazynannawitchbitch Mon 17-Oct-11 13:18:15

Do you know what....we sound such an attractive lot grin

MittzyTheVampishVixen Mon 17-Oct-11 13:45:04

<stays in Mouse's hug>

I take Magnesium and Agnus Castus which do seem to help a bit.

AngryFeet Mon 17-Oct-11 13:48:32

Hi ladies,

I am only 32 (33 next week) but I am wondering if this is happening to me too. Until about 2 years ago I was a regular 28 day cycle but in the last year my cycle has been this:-

22 days

My GP doesn't seem bothered but I think it is really weird! Should I push him for some sort of tests?


mycatsaysach Mon 17-Oct-11 14:08:46

hi everyone

this is all so familiar unfortunately.
i have had almost six months now of irregular periods - for the last three months its has settled into a 14 days spotting and three weeks really heavy gushing.using 1 pack of towels a day at least.please please please let the end of this be in sight.
i did have the flushes,forgetfulness,night sweats etc but only for about a month or so.
my mother went through meno at 46 and i am 1 year younger so hopefully this is didn't last too long for her - maybe 6 fingers crossed.
good to hear all your stories as you don't feel so alone.

Hassled Mon 17-Oct-11 14:16:10

I'm feeling a bit perkier today on account of a decent haircut and a hairdresser who seemed to get the whole not wanting to look like mutton/not wanting to look 10 years older either dilemma.

AND she said I looked too young to have a child of 24. I loved her for a moment. Then she blew it completely - when I said my youngest was 9 I could just see her thinking "but you look too old to have a child of 9". Caah.

One thing I've noticed - don't know if it's age or PM or just me - but I procrastinate to ridiculous levels these days. Anything vaguely challenging that I don't really want to do and I seem to get paralysed with self-doubt and worry. I used to just get on with stuff regardless. For example - I need to ring the accountant to make an appointment to go through some stuff - the accountant scares me a bit and I don't really trust myself to understand what he says and so I've been stalling for days and days now. A few years ago I'd have just bloody rung him and if I didn't understand I'd have told him so. But socially etc I've got way more confidence in myself - I can talk to any random stranger. It's all very odd.

Mwahahahahahahahouseface Mon 17-Oct-11 14:38:06

AngryFeet - If you aren't happy with your cycle then you need to go back to your GP and ask if they will do some bloods to check your hormone levels.

I take it you aren't on the pill or any other form of hormone contraceptive?

ScarahStratton Mon 17-Oct-11 14:44:44

Gosh mycat have you been to your doctors? I don't think I could cope with that.


mycatsaysach Mon 17-Oct-11 15:10:35

no not yet scarah - its not painful at all.just inconvenient.hope its all over sooner as its so grim.

Mwahahahahahahahouseface Mon 17-Oct-11 15:40:42

MyCat - your GP can give you tablets to stem the flow and in some cases. if you were happy to go ahead, they can give you contraceptives which will make your periods lighter, or even stop for a while.

I had the contraceptive injection when it first came onto the market and it stopped my periods for 18 months, I know the Mirina coil can sometimes help.

Have you tried Tranexamic acid at all?

AngryFeet Mon 17-Oct-11 15:51:29

No. not using any contraception as DH had the snip 3 years ago.

Yes I think I will go hassle the GP again. Thanks.

MittzyTheVampishVixen Mon 17-Oct-11 16:52:23

I'd go to the docs AngryFeet, I seem to remember a doc once saying to me that 20+ days was counted as normal but there are a fair few 16's there, any other 'symptoms'?

My already rocky confidence has taken a battering. although over different things. Have learnt to stick up for myself in some areas and am a jelly like amoeba on others.

My skin is mostly though, although the absence of chin hairs is made up for by nipple beards grin

AngryFeet Mon 17-Oct-11 17:13:03

Well I have definitely become more hairy over the last couple of years - chin and back in particular blush. Have had trouble sleeping for a few months. No hot flushes though.

Mwahahahahahahahouseface Mon 17-Oct-11 18:00:35

<Snorts at nipple beard> grin

You win on that one Mittzy I'm not there yet!

Just to be completely sexist for a moment if I may, if MEN had to go through what we do, periods, smears, child birth, gynea ishoos, etc...... you could bet your life that there would be NO suffering whatsoever.

No period pains, no pain at all during labour, no discomfort at having a Ford Capri parked up your looly every few years for smears, no doctors with hands like fecking shovels having a quick fertle up there 'just to check all's well'

Nope, none of that. Hot flushes would be something you got at a luxury spa, not something you get the moment you get out of the shower, or wake up in soaking wet sheets. oh no.

Scientists would've been paid millions to come up with a 'cure' for such things by now. hmm grin

MrsMeow Mon 17-Oct-11 19:15:27

I have all these symptoms and am only 31 sad my cycles have been ranging from 19 - 105(!!) days and I've had blood tests which show I'm still ovulating so there's not much that the docs will do. I've gone back on the pill to get some regularity back but I can't help but feel that it's just masking the symptoms iyswim?

The night sweats - is that when you wake up drenched but not actually feeling that hot? I've been getting these on and off for the past 3 or so weeks, but thought it was because I've been a bit under the weather. I'm wondering now if it's another bloody symptom - but then surely the pill would stop that anyway?

desertgirl Mon 17-Oct-11 19:40:10

oh, glad to have seen this, had been wondering if periods coming every 15 minutes 21 days or so instead of 28-32 could be a sign of such things... wouldn't mind them being more frequent if they didn't go on for longer as well; can be 10 days though often with 24 hours off in the middle (someone else said that; had never heard of it before and thought I was weird)

not looking forward to the rest of it though.... how long is the peri part supposed to last?

rhetorician Mon 17-Oct-11 19:50:14

I keep thinking that I must be (peri-menopausal, that is) as I am 45 going on 46. My cycles have shortened a little, but periods still pretty regular, although heavier than they had been (and I run quite a lot which usually makes them lighter) which is a pain in the arse. I am quite grumpy (which I put down to having a toddler, a job and the shreds and patches a life), I don't sleep that well (that's nothing new, though), but nothing more. Am I there? or nearly there?

The thing that bugs me is that it might take another 7 years before I can actually get off the fecking train...I've no use for this nonsense and would like it over and done with so that I can come to terms with being a bitter old hag. I don't want years of sweat, blood and tears, just so that I can be properly saggy and old...

ScarahStratton Mon 17-Oct-11 19:53:06

I'm really looking forward to being a bitter old hag. I'm going to be incredibly rude, and grow old disgracefully, surrounded by stinking, motheaten cats and cobwebs.

crazynannawitchbitch Mon 17-Oct-11 19:58:48

DD often tells me I am going to be one of those biddies that smell of corned beef and piss shock <must find out where she goes to spend her spare time>

CroissantNeuf Mon 17-Oct-11 20:01:07

I think I need to hang out on this thread as some of this seems strangely familiar.

CroissantNeuf. Age 44 and a half.

CroissantNeuf Mon 17-Oct-11 20:02:06

..but not the smelling of corned beef and piss wink

Bellavita Mon 17-Oct-11 20:11:55

Hassled, I have hype myself up to make phone calls too <<sigh>>. We had a decorator come round last Monday to give us a quote to decorate the house from top to bottom, he said he would have the quote to us in a couple of days. Roll on a week and it stil ain't here... I have put off ringing him from about last Thursday. Have you got a pic of your new hair cut?

It was another hot night in bed last night and that was nothing to do with DH...

BeaHellZeBubOnSea Mon 17-Oct-11 20:15:28

Scarah - me too!

I am going to shuffle across the road wherever I want (even if there is a pelican crossing a few steps down) wearing a headscarf which means I can't even see the traffic. I'm going to bash people's ankles with my shopping trolley, take all my copper to the post office at lunch time to annoy the workers and jump the queue in the supermarket to get my two ounces of corned beef - all the time muttering about the price of fish.

I can't wait

BarryStar Mon 17-Oct-11 20:17:01

Had this conversation with a friend today about the old street we used to live in:

Friend: "What was the name of that woman who lived at number ..... number what was it?

Me: "What woman?"

Friend: "You know, her with the two boys. Or was it girls?"

Me: "Oh her at number, um, what number was it?

Friend: "Yes, her."

And lot of other similarly vague conversations. Kept thinking about this thread. As my mother told me when I turned forty "It's all down hill from now on".

ScarahStratton Mon 17-Oct-11 20:19:25

YY Bea <jumps up and down with glee> <<while I still can anyway.

Add swinging your supermarket basket to the list. You know, the basket full of heavy tins of cat food.

cyb Mon 17-Oct-11 20:20:18

Mwahahahah I only gush for 2 days too but still found tranexamic very good. how were you taking it?

ThePathanKhansWoman Mon 17-Oct-11 20:20:38

Oh yes me too, had hot moment today (no not one of those), in the middle of a rain storm FFS, how long does this rubbish last, i'm not putting up with this.

crazynannawitchbitch Mon 17-Oct-11 20:21:51

BeaHellZeBubOnSea I do all those things already sad

BeaHellZeBubOnSea Mon 17-Oct-11 20:21:52

And sitting on the bus with your legs apart so everyone gets a glance at your stocking tops grin

crazynannawitchbitch Mon 17-Oct-11 20:23:09

BarryStar grin

BeaHellZeBubOnSea Mon 17-Oct-11 20:24:29

crazynana - I already mutter to myself as I walk down the street.

animula Mon 17-Oct-11 20:28:58

Thank you for starting this thread, SarahStratton, and for all of you who have shared.

I realised I was perimenopausal a short while ago - and this really does make me feel rather warm (in a non-hot flush way smile ).

Cannot believe how my memory is all over the place - I feel I've not yet had a chance to recover from pregnancy and early-years sleep deprivation.

oldsilverbullet Mon 17-Oct-11 20:39:09

Crazy you are more than welcome grin

Desert - that was me ... like how can it just stop completely for 24 hours and just start right back up again - it's not right is it hmm

I am already prepared to channel this delightful lady , in fact I aspire to be like her!!

BecauseImAWerewolefIt Mon 17-Oct-11 20:51:17

My periods have been all over the place for about 3 years now (I'm 52). The hot flushes started about 3 years ago as well, but I have discovered that Boots Menolieve (as mentioned earlier) does help.

Things that make them worse:


I'm definitely better if I avoid those as much as possible.

Also have the hairy chin and acne - usually around my chin/neck, just before I do get a period. Sometimes I get these even if I'm not getting a period. Last month I had a spot on my chin that was so big it had five separate heads on it.

It's a lovely time of our lives, isn't it? [fgrin]

BecauseImAWerewolefIt Mon 17-Oct-11 20:51:54

Oh dear. I appear to have got my emoticons seasonally mixed up. grin

BeaHellZeBubOnSea Mon 17-Oct-11 20:54:27

grin @ BIWI

Bellavita Mon 17-Oct-11 20:57:23

I drink lots of coffee, I need to stop don't I? <<sob>>

No hairs yet thank god.

Talk to me about the Menolieve. What is supposed to do? Ease all the symptoms? How long does it take to work?

BecauseImAWerewolefIt Mon 17-Oct-11 20:59:28

It's supposed to deal with the hot flushes, which it has (mostly) for me, although I'm a bit worried that they're ramping up at the moment sad.

You take one a day, just like the contraceptive pill.

For me, the effect of taking them was immediate. (Of course this could have been a placebo, but I didn't care!)

ScarahStratton Mon 17-Oct-11 21:00:40


What's left to like? sad

BecauseImAWerewolefIt Mon 17-Oct-11 21:04:01

I know sad

But who said I had?! wink

BeaHellZeBubOnSea Mon 17-Oct-11 21:06:18

Bella - before I took Menolieve I was having a lot of dizzy episodes and panic attacks. I felt "spaced out"

It could be a coincidence but this stopped once I started taking them. I found my moods were not as extreme and I had more energy.

Don't get me wrong - they are not a wonder pill- but they did take the edge off all the symptoms. I still got hot flushes but only at night - not during the day.

Bellavita Mon 17-Oct-11 21:07:15

I will make a trip to Boots then this week.

BeaHellZeBubOnSea Mon 17-Oct-11 21:08:43

They ain't cheap but stock up on the 3 for 2 deals smile

coffeeinbed Mon 17-Oct-11 21:08:50

I have found my spiritual home.
I thank heaven for whoever invented tanexamic acid - my life won't be worth living without it.
My libido's probably somewhere in Outer Mongolia, and as for the rest ...of fuck.
Anyway, Hassled, that iffy nail thing - I cleatly remember reading that's what Bob Marley died of. Iffy toenail cancer.

Hassled Mon 17-Oct-11 21:26:00

Cheers coffeeinbed grin. I have Wiki'd and you're quite right.

I need all the coffee and alcohol I can lay my hands on to cope with the sweating and the strops and the crying. Sugar and carbs - not really fussed about them. That balances out, surely?

I don't have a beard yet but I am obsessed with my moustache and my nasal hairs. I can out-nasal hair any man.

animula Mon 17-Oct-11 21:27:52

Hmm. I just bought a packet of "Menopace" (they advertise on the tube ...). Am rather wishing I'd held of panic buying now. grin

I'm really hoping the famed menopausal effect of getting more "kickass" is going to take effect - and soon - I think I could really, really do with that.

I am currently not being treated like a woman entering the third stage of her female being, and beginning the pilgrimage to fully embodying her wise woman stage: object of awe and worship for the tribe.

coffeeinbed Mon 17-Oct-11 21:36:44

The powersurge..innit? No, not happening here either.
I have just googled menolieve.
Cannot believe I'm contemplating spending my Boots points on that. Or and extra big variety bot of tampax.
I used to spend it all on lipstick [whinge]

budgieshell Mon 17-Oct-11 21:48:13

Ah home at last with other women whose bodies are alien to them.
It took me along time coming to terms with starting my periods in my teens (yes I can remember that far back).
Then my pregnant body OMG, and again with second child.
Periods after that like a horror film with out the funny bits.
Got coil, yeh normal periods still heavy but can live a life.
Now the menopause, what new hell is this?
When will it all end.
All the same things you have mentioned and a husband who seems to think it as all been just to anoy him. usual conversation " I've got my period love". "What again".

ElectricSoftPusPornParade Mon 17-Oct-11 21:51:35


What's left to like?^

Am weeping here, well, alright, just the stray tear or six but, really? Coffee and alcohol have helped through all kinds of horrid times. It is just too cruel for them to not be helping now.

I mentioned my beard earlier but didn't like to mention my nipple hairs. Mittzy, I now have a new name for them grin.

CroissantNeuf Mon 17-Oct-11 22:11:29

Please don't tell me that coffee affects the hot flushes during the night as we've just up-graded our coffee machine as I'm a caffeine addict

shineybright Mon 17-Oct-11 23:43:37

Can I be in your gang too? I have all of these hideous afflictions mentioned. Tiredness was the worst . Went to docs , had blood test to check hormones and they came back as being towards the menopausal end of the scale sad am 44. HRT has gotten rid of nearly all of the symptoms apart from the smelliness! Has anyone else noticed that they er.... pong more?!

ElectricSoftPusPornParade Tue 18-Oct-11 06:38:50

ShineyBright I am a bit more whiffy blush. Blimey, sound so attractive eh? grin

Bellavita Tue 18-Oct-11 08:35:18

Shiney, gawd yes I pong more too blush

BecauseImAWerewolefIt Tue 18-Oct-11 09:28:42
BecauseImAWerewolefIt Tue 18-Oct-11 09:30:03
Putrifyno Tue 18-Oct-11 09:33:27

I need to join in I think......The dr. has written me a referral to get a blood test, but she ticked lots of other boxes too, (might as well if you're going, sort of thing) and now I am too scared to go.....

Putrifyno Tue 18-Oct-11 09:34:37

I have had only 2 periods this year.....and am 43. I think it seems far too early. GP didn't seem that worried....

ScarahStratton Tue 18-Oct-11 09:35:46

<virtually holds Putri's hand>

It's like a sick joke, isn't it. confused

Putrifyno Tue 18-Oct-11 10:02:00

Oh yes - thought it would be nice and simple. Check HRT levels - confirm my thinking, or otherwise I guess. Oh but no - well while I am there they can check my Thyroid, liver function, glucose, cholestral, kidneys, iron levels, etc etc. I have a big phobia about hospitals and illness and I am convinced I will henceforth be diagnosed with all sorts of dread diseases....

crazynannawitchbitch Tue 18-Oct-11 10:20:43

Putrifyno As an ex-phlebotomist,I can assure you that GPs' always do that...tick every box for every blood test I mean. Something to do with "getting their moneys worth" I think wink so,don't be are probably disgustingly normal/healthy. smile

Yes,the body odour is getting to some concerning level hmm....slight urine incontinence may hold a key.<realising will not need a cat in later years to smell of cat piss>

CeliaFate Tue 18-Oct-11 10:22:33

When I am an old woman I shall wear purple
With a red hat which doesn't go, and doesn't suit me.
And I shall spend my pension on brandy and summer gloves
And satin sandals, and say we've no money for butter.

I shall sit down on the pavement when I'm tired
And gobble up samples in shops and press alarm bells
And run my stick along the public railings
And make up for the sobriety of my youth.

I shall go out in my slippers in the rain
And pick the flowers in other peoples' gardens
And learn to spit.

You can wear terrible shirts and grow more fat
And eat three pounds of sausages at a go
Or only bread and pickles for a week
And hoard pens and pencils and beermats and things in boxes.

But now we must have clothes that keep us dry
And pay our rent and not swear in the street
And set a good example for the children.
We must have friends to dinner and read the papers.

But maybe I ought to practice a little now?
So people who know me are not too shocked and surprised
When suddenly I am old, and start to wear purple.

by Jenny Joseph

Maybe it's not all bad? grin

ScarahStratton Tue 18-Oct-11 10:26:11

I'm looking forward to the 'don't give a fuck and get fat' bit rather too much. grin

crazynannawitchbitch Tue 18-Oct-11 10:26:35

grin I like the bit about running your stick along the railings (like a small child). I have seen some oldies wack people out of the way with sticks..and get clean away with it.
I cannot wait to be an elderly lout wink

Putrifyno Tue 18-Oct-11 10:32:31

I was trying to explain to DH about the "red mist" that descends. He seems to think that I should be able to control my emotions more effectively...hahahahahahahahaha!

CeliaFate Tue 18-Oct-11 10:34:00

I currently have no less than 7 different anti-perspirant/deodorants because none of the fuckers actually work. I can shower, put on clean clothes and spray myself into a coma and by lunchtime I feel self-consciously whiffy. sad.
I was out with younger friends, one of whom said she was really hot. I immediately piped up with "Ooh, yes I'm sure I've been having hot flushes yada yada yada" She looked at me like this hmm and said she'd meant she was warm because we'd been eating curry. Can we have a perimenopausal emoticon please? It would be an amalgamation of all the current ones plus one that was sobbing...

CeliaFate Tue 18-Oct-11 10:38:18

I have just read the NHS symptoms for perimenopause. This one sounds particularly delightful
"Vaginal symptoms
During the time leading up to the menopause, you may experience vaginal dryness, itching or discomfort. This can make sex difficult or painful (known as dyspareunia). These symptoms combined are known as vaginal atrophy."
I am going to name change to Fanny Withers...

crazynannawitchbitch Tue 18-Oct-11 10:40:19

...I should be Fanny Cobwebs atm sad <quite apt for Haloween names sad>

Putrifyno Tue 18-Oct-11 10:44:03

PMSL at Fanny Withers.

Just call me Snow White grin

CeliaFate Tue 18-Oct-11 10:46:11

Christ, is itching a symptom? I've been really itchy for the last week, feels like ants are crawling over me, particularly on my head, face and arms. I'm doomed aren't I? GIVE ME A WEEPING EMOTICON NOW! Sorry, I mean please, um what was I saying?

crazynannawitchbitch Tue 18-Oct-11 10:47:35

grin I am so the bloated one...and maybe the psycho a leeetle bit wink

crazynannawitchbitch Tue 18-Oct-11 10:49:10

Yes CeliaFate the itching is bad. I have bent myself into some scratching positions that would impress the director of a blue movie.

ElectricSoftPusPornParade Tue 18-Oct-11 10:52:39

grin @ Fanny Withers

shock @ vaginal atrophy

Putrifyno Tue 18-Oct-11 10:52:48

I have suffered a lot in the last couple of years with anxiety, feelings of impending doom, crying for no reason, complete lack of focus - I can procrastinate for Europe. Plus more recently - really restless nights and waking at 4am not being able to go back to sleep. I have been putting it down to stress - but ALL these things are on the symptoms list. My lovely GP prescribed some "essence of passionflower" stuff to help me sleep. I find wine more effective though.....but that makes me feel worse the next day.

Mwahahahahahahahouseface Tue 18-Oct-11 13:07:36

Cyb - I took it as soon as I got period pains, which is normally 6 days after my period ended, and then would wait for the bleeding, two tablets and then as prescribed so I think it was 4 lots per day.

I have also been on Norethisterone in the past, again, this didn't help. Nothing with any hormones in has ever worked, the coil, pill, mini-pill anything like that.

My mum had a hysterectomy at 31 as did my nann. I've had problems since I was 17 when they first discovered my endometriosis. It cleared up a little after DD. But then we got pg with triplets, who died at 16+weeks so I had to have them removed surgically. All was well for a few months and then it started again, the flooding for a few days and the unbearable pain, fainting, feeling sick constantly for two weeks before starting to bleed.

I really am considering a hysterectomy. DH and I would love more children but have DS who has complex SN/LD. And to be fair, he still needs 24 hour care.

Phew, that was a long answer to you Cyb, sorry!

MittzyTheVampishVixen Tue 18-Oct-11 13:23:44

Loving the menopausal dwarves grin

You is well luvverly Mouse (( )) xx

My period finished yesterday and to all intents and purposes I started cramping again this morning, with what someone described down thread as 'bad ovary' hmm

But I am in a bloody amazing mood, want to bonk someone furiously and have a mountain of energy which is rare but welcome.
I sometimes feel as if I must be 'in heat' and that my wanton state of arousal must emanate from me.... blush

CroissantNeuf Tue 18-Oct-11 13:47:21

Mittzy -I have visions of you lying in wait for the postman/milkman/any unsuspecting random stranger to wander by to expend your energies on wink

MittzyTheVampishVixen Tue 18-Oct-11 14:43:06

grin Croissant and blush

I think if I was more 'Mittzy' in RL than who I actually am, there might be more than a grain of truth in that!

Mwahahahahahahahouseface Tue 18-Oct-11 15:03:44

<faints at Mittzy's 'needs' grin>

sfxmum Tue 18-Oct-11 15:04:38

keeping an eye on this thread as it seems it is all starting to happen <weeps>

sfxmum Tue 18-Oct-11 15:05:28

mitzy found the upside of it

bigTillyMint Tue 18-Oct-11 15:56:21

Celia my BF had that poem at her wedding grin

ButternutSquish Tue 18-Oct-11 17:37:02

Oh dear, I think you've all confirmed my suspisions.

Thankfully I don't have the night sweats but my normal 26 day cycle has changed to 28 (so getting longer) and I am constantly tired. So tired that DP thinks I'm ill and should take a visit to the GP. I'm irritable, irrational, unhappy, I cry, I procrastinate. My period is vile, big clots and a super super plus extra super strength lilet only lasts about 3 hours at most and it's the size of a sausage roll!

My poor DP gets the wrath of my tongue (and not in a good way wink) every other day and he's about to shovel me out of the door.

I can't remember a thing, even names of everyday items just seem to be on the tip of my tongue but elude me. I have white hairs, yes white, growing out of my chin along with a rogue one in my eyebrow, AND my pubes are going grey!! sad

In some ways it'd be great for it all to finish but in another way it's somehow accepting that I'm getting old (43) and I'm turning into one of those sad, dried up old bitter and twisted women you see on the bus being horrid to young girls (think "In our day we never wore..(insert insult here)"...)

Mwahahahahahahahouseface Tue 18-Oct-11 17:47:56

Wow Butter - you've done well to get to 43 and only just started to get grey pubes! One of my GBF (gay best friends) has been dying his for the last 6 years! And he's 34! grin

Don't you just love being a woman. hmm

witchywitchof2biggerones Tue 18-Oct-11 17:53:06

Putrifyno - I had the 'full works' of blood tests last year, it's one blood test but a bit more blood was taken. I was checked for hormone levels, anaemia, thyroid, calcium levels and a test that indicates any high levels of illness (really hard to describe here!), I also had an abodominal scan but everything came back fine felt like a fraud sad

I've been back to the Dr once because the tiredness was overwhelming but all that was advised was to rest more (with children nigh on impossible during the day, lol!). I normally end up apologising for wasting their time, but I know that it is hormones going up and down. I've kind of told myself to shut up and put up.

Yes to the caffiene and alcohol thing, I cut out both for a month to see if it made a difference, it did with the heat but did sod all for the tiredness.

And the smelling bit - I posted on here a while ago about using Driclor it frickking hurt like hell to begin with but now the armpit areas are fine and don't get any nasty whiffs.

Just makes you glad to be a woman doesn't it, NOT!!

animula Tue 18-Oct-11 18:19:21

Come on, m'dears: think of Joanna Lumley. Let's not be too downbeat. grin

There are loads of women who are peri-menopausal and postmenopausal but are just not "out". Sarah Jessica Parker and Elle McPherson probably are. Kate Bush - and she's great. And my brain is too porridgey by this time of night to think of anyone else - but you get my drift.

Does anyone have any brilliant ideas about the tiredness? I am completely and utterly exhausted.

witchywitchoftwobigones - Is your GP mad ? Where are you supposed to get this "more rest" from?

animula Tue 18-Oct-11 18:20:58

Oh, and hello BiWi! <wave>

Kept on meaning to say hello on the thread and kept forgetting ....

BecauseImAWerewolefIt Tue 18-Oct-11 18:25:38

<waves back>

CeliaFate Tue 18-Oct-11 18:27:15

I'm getting me one of these babies

floosiemcwoosie Tue 18-Oct-11 18:33:11

Oh My God, have read this and realised i have most of the symptoms

I just though i was losing my mind and a crabbit, fat cow

witchywitchof2biggerones Tue 18-Oct-11 18:34:19

animula - I just laughed at the dr at that point, either that or I would have cried and I don't do crying!

There are days that the alarm clock goes off and I'm counting the hours down til I can go back to bed - the record for going to bed is 6.30pm, well before the kids bedtime, but I was so tired I couldn't function, I find this really scary but thankfully this isn't the norm, yet.

Anyhow, at least, here, I know I'm not alone smile

witchywitchof2biggerones Tue 18-Oct-11 18:35:24

note - I do blub lots (but in my own privacy, not in front of people)

ElectricSoftPusPornParade Tue 18-Oct-11 18:39:39

I thought of this thread today while I was having my hair cut.

My hairdresser is a friend, roughly the same age and we have been invited to the same do in December. The conversation was a bit like this:

Me: Are you going to (wavey hand gestures) the thing in December?
HD: Yes, you? It's at, you know, (long pause)
Me: Yes, whatshisface's pub
HD: That's it. What is his name again?
Me: (Very long pause) Erm...
HD: Come on, you must know, he is going out with your SIL, isn't he?
Me: Yes, I think so. Is he?
HD: What?

Happily, she still has her hairdressing skills. grin

bucketbetty Tue 18-Oct-11 18:44:34

Hi all, I've been having irregular periods, very hot, some sweats, moody, tearful to extremes. I had the test and came back as post meno but I'm still bleeding. The GP told me to ignore the test results and deal with the symptoms. My options were marina coil and that's about it. I'm on AD's and rarely tearful. I do have lots of insomnia, I feel very forgetful and can't concentrate very well. My symptoms started at 37 and I'm 40 now. I don't think the test is the best indicator. I guess I'll just have to wait until I've gone without a period for over a year. Oh, and I have times when I feel very very very horny. blush

BestIsWest Tue 18-Oct-11 18:47:31

How do you tell if you've got a Mirena though? I have no periods at all, have got hairs on the chin though, am forgetful and sweaty at night. I'm 48 so would expect to be at least peri menopausal. Can they do tests even if you have a Mirena?

Putrifyno Tue 18-Oct-11 18:55:59

Witchy - I know I am being silly. I don't FEEL ill so there is unlikely to be anything seriously the matter. I worry because I know I drink too much wine, so am now worrying about my liver, and diabetes etc etc. I went to GP in the first place as I was not sleeping, had loads of stress at work and just got to the point where she was passing tissues and discussing whether I got the chance to discuss my problems at home/with friends etc.

She is lovely though - signed me off for a week, with express instructions I was leave the housework, meet friends and go for a walk/go shopping and do nice things. It was wonderful! I then had a follow up appointment - think she wanted to check if I was actually depressed or whether it was just exhaustion. That's when the menopause discussion came up. I am overdue for a smear test, so the plan is that I get the bloods, ring her to discuss then get appointment with gynae for smear, breast check etc, discuss my hormone levels etc The medical system in Belgium appears to be thorough!

Trouble is I really am quite phobic about these things, so there is nothing MORE likely to give me anxiety and sleepless nights that a battery of medical tests! Though I know logically it is much better to find out if there IS anything wrong with me than to bury my head in the sand.....But still. I am working up to it!

Katisha Tue 18-Oct-11 18:56:35

SO when we come out the other side, do we get our memories back?

bucketbetty Tue 18-Oct-11 19:04:17

Never mind memories, I keep thinking I'm going to run someone over or get lost on my way somewhere I go all the time - it's all very worrying. Someone please come back and tell whether we do get our wits back. grin

witchywitchof2biggerones Tue 18-Oct-11 19:11:15

Putrifyno, if it makes you feel any better I have to take one of my kids with me if I have to have a blood test, injection etc as I'm a wuss of the higher level (if I take a child with me I can't fall apart and be pathetic!); would draw the line though at taking a child in for anything gynae!!!

When I went to the Dr's to begin with I'd foolishly said that I'd been looking on google and said that some of my symptons pointed to ovarian cancer (note, never look at google or try to self diagnosis), so that was checked out too.

I have some fabulous friends and they know what I'm going through and are amazing at helping when they can - we all work and are all in the same boat, but sometimes just talking and listening works wonders.

I go to bed really early during the week (late for me is 9.00pm) and is a standing joke with my friends and I do try to watch what I eat and drink BUT that is so much easier said than done wink

Abra1d Tue 18-Oct-11 19:30:35

'I keep thinking I'm going to run someone over or get lost on my way somewhere I go all the time - it's all very worrying. '

You said it, bucketbetty!

On a particularly bad day for tiredness and mental fog, just before my very irregular period started, I managed to reverse into the ONLY other car parked on our street. I don't know how I did it. My husband still doesn't understand how I managed it. Fortunately nobody was hurt and the damage was minor (but will cost me £700 to mend the other guy's car).

BeaHellZeBubOnSea Tue 18-Oct-11 19:39:31

<from the other side>

Katisha - in answer to your question - no, names have gone forever!

A conversation with me now is like charades where people have to guess who I am talking about whilst I try describing people in sign language.

I think the menopause emoticon should have a moustache and/or beard and be blurry to portray the fog that we are living in. grin

oldsilverbullet Tue 18-Oct-11 19:42:36

Doctors prescribed Iron tablets for me because of the tiredness - I do notice if I don't take them. Also gave me Provera but sometimes I'd already started "rusting" before it was time to take them so there was no point. Might try again.

Wept through the second half of Hollyoaks this evening <<goes in search of a grip, to get a hold of>>

Katisha Tue 18-Oct-11 19:51:17

Oh Lord.

mycatsaysach Tue 18-Oct-11 19:52:59

grin at rusting - that's it exactly.

hazeyjane Tue 18-Oct-11 20:00:56

Haven't read the whole thread (sorry!) but just wanted to say that I am supposed to have an early menopause because of a particular combination of chemotherapy that I was on several years ago. When I was 40 I started to have lots of peri-menopausal symptoms, and went to my gp who said it was likely that it was starting, only to discover 3 months later that I was pregnant with ds!

oldsilverbullet Tue 18-Oct-11 20:08:31

Spotted this on the news today.

And hazey, my MIL told me to watch out because she was told that it is easy to get caught out during the early stages of menopause as your body/hormones are all over the place and it is easy to lose track of what happens when.

crazynannawitchbitch Tue 18-Oct-11 20:12:47

smile hazeyjane

Oh yes...the grey pubes <rolls eyes> Mine look like they have a permanent dusting of talcum powder hmm

And just after the period,I always have the same dirty dream that I am Geronimo's white squaw being ravished blush

Putrifyno Tue 18-Oct-11 20:16:41

The link is interesting as I am evil smoker....

oldsilverbullet Tue 18-Oct-11 20:20:56

Me too...

crazynannawitchbitch Tue 18-Oct-11 20:39:15

And me.... hmm <shit>

MittzyTheVampishVixen Tue 18-Oct-11 21:21:01

celia that T shirt made me grin as in a loose conversation with my Teen age son I told him he was in trouble because I was going through the same as him but just older and............... errrrrrrrrrrr................ wiser!

Oh yes, dirty dreams CrazyNanna, I have a sort of recurring one about being very, Very rude in public places grin... and then I realise I am day dreaming them as well!

I had one grey pube. And plucked it. Don't. Pluck. Pubes. Makes your eyes water a wee bit!

I like 'not caring' what people think, and I think it gives me a confidence of some sorts sometimes. I have grown into and earned this body and it tells my story. smile

ScarahStratton Tue 18-Oct-11 21:40:50

Oh thank God you mentioned it Mittzy. The lust, when does it go away?


Putrifyno Tue 18-Oct-11 22:27:25

On the subject of sex, after someone on FB linking to this I am planning to redirect my life....grin

Bellavita Wed 19-Oct-11 06:23:27

No grey pubes yet, but plenty of grey hairs on my head.

Another night of hot sweats sad and another night of Broken sleep.

crazynannawitchbitch Wed 19-Oct-11 07:24:25

Aww Bella sad Dodgy sleep here too. Awful dreams this time. Don't feel like doing anything today. And my ciggies have run out...was going to have a sneaky one in the garden with my tea and try make sense of these dreams.

ButternutSquish Wed 19-Oct-11 13:51:19

I dont mind keeping the lust!!! I just thought i'd turned into a dirty, pervy old woman! (think Sid James in a skirt)

And please don't make me stop the alcohol & tea!!!

Mwahahahahahahahouseface Wed 19-Oct-11 19:14:10

Okay, I too get the lusty dreams and day dreams. Lots. Night sweats when I'm not hot, yes. I noticed today to add to all of the other things that around about now, day 6/7 after my period ended, I get dizzy spells, like a head rush or I've not eaten enough....... even though I have.

Anyone else get dizzy spells after their period?

(not anaemic, full bloods came back okay)

oldsilverbullet Wed 19-Oct-11 19:51:11

<< Goes in search of Bertie Bassett >>

Thing is, I can't stand licquorice..

BarryStar Wed 19-Oct-11 19:55:54

Ive been getting lusty too - rather unfortunately over one of Dh's consultants. Makes it very difficult to remember exactly what is wrong with Dh sometimes, as have been too busy gazing longingly into lovely Dr xxx's eyes.

Er anyway <wrenches self back from detailed daydream>, wanted to recruit a lady to our cause today. Was walking behind her in a carpark when she stopped abruptly and turned around, virtually bumping into me. "Oh I'm sorry", she said, "I've forgotten where I've parked my car. I'm not even in this carpark".

So own up - which one of you was it?!

Putrifyno Wed 19-Oct-11 20:00:03

Lust = Enrique Iglesias.

Mardymwahhaha Wed 19-Oct-11 20:00:15

Hello - can I join - haven't read back through, but I am Mrs Mardyallthetimeperiodsallovertheplacebadnightsweatsbutnohotflushesintheday.
How does that sound as a new user name.

Hi Mouseface - great minds with the hallowe'en names.

19beatle Wed 19-Oct-11 20:03:34

My boss (female, it's ok!) bought us each the "LadyCare magnet" (or "fanny magnet" as I fondly refer to mine, much to DHs horror!). She's in her mid-50's and I'm early 40's, but we both suffer certain peri-menopausal symptons from time to time. Could well be that the magnet offers the placebo effect, but I wouldn't be without mine now. Discreet, strong magnet that clips into one's knickers and helps to re-align the body. Available on the internet and worth googling to see what it offers, too much info for me to share...

Putrifyno Wed 19-Oct-11 20:17:41

Clips in one's knickers! Well I'd be guaranteed to lose it in mine grin

oldsilverbullet Wed 19-Oct-11 20:20:41

Can't do magnets, I work with a child with a pacemaker - we have warnings to keep them away from the child, it would um..... interfere with the pacing, which of course, would not be good.

mycatsaysach Wed 19-Oct-11 20:21:36

a friend of mine tried the magnets - fine except for when you go through the checkout scanner at supermarkets.

19beatle Wed 19-Oct-11 20:22:59

trust me the magnet is quite strong! yet to lose one - have had the odd minor panic when wearing a floaty skirt in the supermarket and the magnet wanted to make friends with the trolley! My skirt billowed out slightly, but I'm slightly exaggerating and no-one noticed....... i hope!!!

bucketbetty Wed 19-Oct-11 20:23:04

I can't stop thinking about sex. I'm near dying with frustration and I'm bloody single. Arrrhhhh.. It's not fair.

crazynannawitchbitch Wed 19-Oct-11 20:32:34

I'll have a magnet smile
Will be the only thing to get in my drawers for years grin

BeaHellZeBubOnSea Wed 19-Oct-11 21:28:40

Magnets sound interesting.

Though I have visions of standing up from my desk with all the paperclips stuck to my crotch. grin

crazynannawitchbitch Wed 19-Oct-11 21:39:31

BeaHellZeBubOnSea grin
Could be your new party trick wink

crazynannawitchbitch Thu 20-Oct-11 08:13:39

Morning all Peris' smile How are we today?
Hope you got some sleep last night,Bellavita.
I think I must be ovulating,because I really lived up to my Haloween name today...well the crazy bitch bit,anyway hmm
Poor dd sad Will make it up to her later.

BecauseImAWerewolefIt Thu 20-Oct-11 08:37:55

I think I'm right in saying that Boots sell the magnets. Should you want something strong in your knickers.

crazynannawitchbitch Thu 20-Oct-11 08:42:02

What....instead of the urine I am exuding,BIWI hmm

Adversecamber Thu 20-Oct-11 08:53:51

Evil ovary is now at peace and I am going straight in to ovulation which means that currently I fancy anything with a pulse. This didn't used to happen. I found myself eyeing up a man at the traffic lights today [embarrassed] Sadly DH is working late tonight and will be knackered.

crazynannawitchbitch Thu 20-Oct-11 08:55:15

Adversecamber that's nowt.....I think,mid cycle,the Turkish guy in Londis lookd fricking hot under UV lighting hmm

bigTillyMint Thu 20-Oct-11 08:57:27

Bea grin That would so happen to me!

I am feeling fed up because the GP has said my iron levels are still low and I have to go back on the iron tablets again. I have had some massively heavy periods in the past, but they are now regular and "normally" heavy on the HRT.
I eat a very healthy varied diet, but rarely any red meat. The tablets make me badly constipated angry

crazynannawitchbitch Thu 20-Oct-11 08:59:45

bigTillyMint sad
Just keep your fluids up smile

BecauseImAWerewolefIt Thu 20-Oct-11 09:02:43
bigTillyMint Thu 20-Oct-11 09:02:45

grin I must drink at least 8 cups of tea a day in addition to about 4 large glasses of juice/water!!

oldsilverbullet Thu 20-Oct-11 19:39:29

Apparently BTM tea stops the absorbtion of iron - as I am constantly being told being a very big tea drinker .

Today I have gone into period mode ... it has only been 19 days since the last one - quite an improvement on the 13 days I had the other month grin

ScarahStratton Thu 20-Oct-11 19:43:20

Well period from Hell stopped as suddenly as it started. Two days of misery, then WTF where did you go? Not that I'm complaining, but it was like a week's worth of period crammed into 2 days + hideous cramps. I am Not Used to cramps. They fucking hurt.

Is that normal? The 'wayhay I'm your period and I'm gonna make your life Hell <looks at watch> 'I'm done, kthxbai' hmm

bigTillyMint Thu 20-Oct-11 19:45:35

Aaaahhhhh! that explains it. Ah well, I will just have to put up with the iron tablets and constipation as I am NOT giving up my teasmile

BIWI, thanks - I eat quite a lot of lentils and beans and loads of leafy greens (including spinach) and tonnes of broccoli. I will read that a bit more thoroughly later!

chickydoo Thu 20-Oct-11 19:54:13

I have a 21 day cycle, seems to be getting shorter! Boobs agony, very zitty, bloaty, and put on 3lbs of water in the couple of days before. Night sweats,and very tired.
Pretty sure I'm menopausal. age 44

CeliaFate Thu 20-Oct-11 20:07:12

My periods have done that for about a year now Scarah. It's like turning a tap on and off. After a day of absolutely nothing, it comes back with a vengeance the following day, so forewarned is forearmed! angry

witchywitchof2biggerones Thu 20-Oct-11 20:12:41

Can I just show my ignorance here, I always thought it was normal for periods to have a 'rest' for a day - I am so naive/thick confused

ScarahStratton Thu 20-Oct-11 20:14:28

That's exactly it, Celia! Like turning a tap on and off. Thanks for the warning, I shall watch out. Bloody periods, bloody peri-menopause angry

I do like typing hangry and henvy and getting a little hat. grin

oldsilverbullet Thu 20-Oct-11 20:28:03

Have been practising my hgrins etc etc with great aplomb since they arrived actually had trouble stopping them after Harry Potter . Never used to have the day off in the middle of period malarky it's only happened in the last year or so. Was strictly 3 days after a lovely 25 day gap. Now it's 10+ days of hell with a cheeky 24 hour space to confuse me in the middle and a horrendous 13-19 day gap - if I'm lucky... <<glares at malfunctioning innards>>

CeliaFate Thu 20-Oct-11 20:57:59

I think it's God's way of telling us to drink more wine. Cheers! wine (Wants wine with a little hat on).

witchywitchof2biggerones Thu 20-Oct-11 21:00:32

Am having a Becks tonight Celiafate, so cheers! sod the hot flushes in an hour, I will not be beaten

Bellavita Thu 20-Oct-11 21:06:16

Crazynanna, last night was better just a little unbroken.

I drink loads of coffee... I really need to stop don't I? I am off from school next week, so will try and cut down and wean myself off.

Haven't been to Boots yet, but am popping to town on Sunday so will look out for the Menolieve.

I have never heard of the magnets until now.

crazynannawitchbitch Thu 20-Oct-11 21:06:35

Just had 3 glassse of wine...and am salughterd! grin
Does thtat happen''grtting pissed quick? <happy>
Srry about speling

crazynannawitchbitch Thu 20-Oct-11 21:08:07

Oh good Bwlla..I mean Bellasmile
Was thinking of you tday

Bellavita Thu 20-Oct-11 21:09:24

Crazzy, I get drunk very easily.

crazynannawitchbitch Thu 20-Oct-11 21:11:45

I really need a kebab

Bellavita Thu 20-Oct-11 21:13:03

Mmmma kebab with chilli sauce.

witchywitchof2biggerones Thu 20-Oct-11 21:13:22

Nah Carzy, we need cheesy chips

ScarahStratton Thu 20-Oct-11 21:13:26

Pleeease don't make me give up coffee. shock

<chin wibble>

<stuffing carbs>

witchywitchof2biggerones Thu 20-Oct-11 21:14:02

crazy sorry

witchywitchof2biggerones Thu 20-Oct-11 21:14:49

<<passes over a Becks to Scarah>>

crazynannawitchbitch Thu 20-Oct-11 21:17:00

Scarah you lucky caahhh grin Mine dnt seem to stop

crazynannawitchbitch Thu 20-Oct-11 21:18:44

I am going to order kebab..if anyne near north london..I can ordre u one

ScarahStratton Thu 20-Oct-11 21:20:00

<necks Becks>

^^ poetry see.

witchywitchof2biggerones Thu 20-Oct-11 21:20:40

nowhere near London - think the sticks in Scotlandshire, will salivate though in thought lucky biatch to have fast food on doorstep

ElectricSoftParade Thu 20-Oct-11 21:25:24

After not having a period for nearly 3 months, I have bled like a stuck pig for the past week. And the clots, oh the clots <goes all woozy>

Never mind though, is our wedding anniversary today hmm so have had champagne and now am having Baileys. I know this will help.

crazynannawitchbitch Thu 20-Oct-11 21:27:55

Sorry witchywitchof2biggerones but i would have ordered you one. Go to sober up...dd on way home shock only had 3 glasses,blimey gone o my hdead

crazynannawitchbitch Thu 20-Oct-11 21:29:02

Congratulations ElectricSoftParade how long you been married? smile

ElectricSoftParade Thu 20-Oct-11 21:32:26

Been together for 15 years but only married for 4. I am lying down with a hottie on my tum and he is watching cricket - the romance is still here!

crazynannawitchbitch Thu 20-Oct-11 21:33:44

Aww lubbly smile

ElectricSoftParade Thu 20-Oct-11 21:33:48

Hottie = hot water bottle. No lust round my parts tonight, thankyouverymuch!

crazynannawitchbitch Thu 20-Oct-11 21:35:49

ElectricSoftParade It's shit,isn't it sad

ElectricSoftParade Thu 20-Oct-11 21:40:07

There will be other times <brave>.

In fact, I've had enough tonight so am off to bed. Hot water bottle, camomile tea and book for me. Night ladies and hope we all sleep well smile

crazynannawitchbitch Thu 20-Oct-11 21:45:43

Night sleep well smile

mrsbossyboots Thu 20-Oct-11 21:52:47

Thank you for making me realise I'm normal (well in relation to post 40 periods!) Irregular periods, missed periods (thankfully only 2 in the past year but hideous hot flushes when I should have had my period),the rage when I just feel sooo angry but for no reason and sore boobs. I went to see my lovely (young) GP who told me it's normal for periods to go a bit haywire in late thirties early 40s and offered to put me on a pogestrone pill to help with the symptons but I didn't fancy this and then everything settled down for a few months until we were off again. She did say this can go for years.

I always used to wonder why they were called hot flashes but get it now, I find them very unnerving!

CeliaFate Fri 21-Oct-11 19:21:10

I think my period, which is 2 weeks late may be starting tomorrow. I'm going out tomorrow. I go out about 5 times a year. Shitting bastards.

cyb Fri 21-Oct-11 19:21:57

Forgot to discuss ovulation pain- anyone get that? its ouchy

crazynannawitchbitch Fri 21-Oct-11 19:48:01

Fucking shitty that is CeliaFate sad...hope it holds out until the next day.

Not so much ovary pain,cyb,but bachache and really,really sore tender!

crazynannawitchbitch Fri 21-Oct-11 19:48:47

obviously that was backache

ScarahStratton Fri 21-Oct-11 19:49:32

Bastard thing Celia angry

mrsbossyboots Fri 21-Oct-11 22:23:13

Can I ask where you get back pain? (Upper or lower back?)

crazynannawitchbitch Fri 21-Oct-11 22:27:34

Lower...where I used to have a little curve back in the day...but,alas,no more wink

mrsbossyboots Fri 21-Oct-11 22:37:04

I'm sure it's still there!

I have back ache across most of my back this month that started at the same time as a pretend period (thought it was coming two wks after my last one but then stopped after two days). Celia fingers crossed it doesn't start tomorrow.

Yes to ovulation pain but I've had it for years. Don't mind when I get it as at least it means I'm going to have period that month.

mrsbossyboots Fri 21-Oct-11 22:38:11

I'm sure it's still there!

I have back ache across most of my back this month that started at the same time as a pretend period (thought it was coming two wks after my last one but then stopped after two days). Celia fingers crossed it doesn't start tomorrow.

Yes to ovulation pain but I've had it for years. Don't mind when I get it as at least it means I'm going to have period that month.

crazynannawitchbitch Fri 21-Oct-11 22:42:19

mrsbossyboots smile Thanks...but it has well and truly gorn <sobs>

I get achey all over...even my ankle hurts! It's frigging unjust...I just want it to be over.
I can't see the point of a peri menopause...why just not get on with it Mama Nature...staight to the ovary shrivelling,dry fanny bit,and it's done.

Tigerbomb Fri 21-Oct-11 22:48:33

Can I join the PM quiche?

I am 45 and my periods have been regular as clockwork, normally every 28 days. Then I missed one. When the next one was due it was just Brown blood (sorry tmi) and then continued on to what I thought was a normal period. Unfortunately I am now on day 47 of the worst period of my life. Massive clots, a new super super tampax every 2 hours plus super pads. (sorry, more TMI) It's really getting me down and I am so tired all the time. I have heart problems so cant have any tablets to help but I was prescribed metformin for diabetes on day 3 of my period. Does anyone know if this has had any effect on what I am going through. I cant get to see a Dr till next week

oldsilverbullet Fri 21-Oct-11 22:53:51

Oh oh oh crazy I have a joint ishoo and I always know when the period is coming cause my joints (specially ankles and knees) start to play up - took a few periods before dp worked it out for me. My joint probs are due to an auto immune disease <<writes on list of things to tell Rheumatology next week>>

oldsilverbullet Fri 21-Oct-11 23:01:25

Looking at the wiki entry metformin is now being prescribed for polycystic ovary syndrome - don't know if that has anythng to do with it? I am not medical in any way...

crazynannawitchbitch Fri 21-Oct-11 23:04:13

oldsilverbullet Fuck gel..we're all falling to bits hmm

oldsilverbullet Fri 21-Oct-11 23:12:53

Nah ... I've been falling to bits for years!! grin

crazynannawitchbitch Fri 28-Oct-11 12:18:16

Just come on for a moan Peris'.

Got my period after just a 17 day frigging cycle! And it is one of the nasty bastard ones sad Bleeding like a slaughtered pig...all over my clean sheets at 3am angry. Feel like I have been kicked in the stomach,so dosed up with painkillers'. DD been great though on the bright side. She got up at 8am (it's half term and she's 13),and walked to Tescos for me to buy pads,and she bought me a bar of chocolate to cheer me up smile.
Was supposed to babysit for the grandchildren today so DD1 could go Christmas shopping,so had to cncel...feel guilty but DD1 was really sympathetic.
God,I hate periods. I don't need them...I don't want them.
Bath and bed....great use of my annual leave hmm

Thanks for listening
Love from
A Moany old caaahhh.

Mardymwahhaha Fri 28-Oct-11 12:49:46

Passes brew and biscuits to crazynanna. Your dd sounds lovely.

My cycle before last was just 17 days and I felt as annoyed as you.

But according to my iPeriod app, I'm currently on day 46 of my cycle, so maybe it'll be better next time for you too. Day 46 is unheard off for me. To think, I was worrying I might not get my subscription for tranexamic acid renewed in time.

Putrifyno Fri 28-Oct-11 12:53:59

I am obviously losing my mind! A fellow MNetter blush sent me a text to ask if I was going to turn up for lunch today as arranged. I now have a vague memory that we discussed it - but still can't remember the details...what time/where.......I had had wine - but not THAT much! I am mortified.

crazynannawitchbitch Fri 28-Oct-11 13:04:37

thanks Mardy. Need the energy.
I had a 46 dayer two cycles ago,'twas bliss but paying for it now sad.
To think,this is the Peri and have yet to hit the Meno,so a few more years of depressing.
The Tranexamic does it help? Is it to minimise the blood flow,or to help the other symptoms?

crazynannawitchbitch Fri 28-Oct-11 13:06:17

Putrifyno <<hugs>> The forgetfulness can be quite alarming sometimes. Not the little things like walking into a room and wondering why,but the appointment forgetting. I sympathise.

Mardymwahhaha Fri 28-Oct-11 13:28:31

crazynanna I was having huge blood clots which would appear out of nowhere and go straight through sanitary protection and clothes. Would only be about 2-4 times per period but would never know when it would happen so always on edge especially if not able to get to a loo. (I had one notable public transport disaster! blush ) Plus it would happen in the night and I'd have similar slaughtered pig incidents.

The tranexamic acid makes it a lot better as long as I start as soon as period does (it takes about a day to kick in I've found).

Yes, memory is definitely getting hazier too.

crazynannawitchbitch Fri 28-Oct-11 13:31:55

Mardy ok sounds like maybe should give that a try. The worst feeling is when I get that cold trickle down my leg and just know what is happening. It's only when I pass the clot does it ease...sorry bit graphic.
Is it prescription only?Or can I buy it? Sorry re all the Q's smile

Mardymwahhaha Fri 28-Oct-11 14:24:37

Don't worry about graphic. I know exactly what you mean.

I got it on prescription from GP crazynanna. Sounds like we have similar symptoms.
Another option is mirena coil, but I know this is a bit hit and miss so sticking with the tranexamic for now.

crazynannawitchbitch Fri 28-Oct-11 18:52:47

Thanks for that Mardy smile Am seeing Gp on the 7th November,so I will discuss my suitability for the drug...i need something that's for sure!

Had a good sleep and feel a bit better,just washed out. Yes you're right,we do seem to loiter on the same boards! Best be careful...people may start to talk {grin]
Thank yopu so much for your support,advice and your listening ear smile

Mardymwahhaha Sat 29-Oct-11 16:12:57

Good luck with it crazynanna.

cyb Sat 29-Oct-11 16:22:05

Well I had blood tests and apparently my hormonae levels are fine so I;m not peri meni. Which hacked me RIGHT off as I cant explain moods.

BUT GP says I need to get heavy periods sorted so am seeing (dishy) private gynae soon

Mardymwahhaha Sat 29-Oct-11 16:47:26

I had a blood test and it came back negative but I've got lots of peri symptoms. The doc did say that the test is unreliable at certain times of the menstrual cycle. But it's hard to tell where I am in my cycle, as it seems to go between 17 and 44 days (and counting!)

crazynannawitchbitch Sat 29-Oct-11 23:18:51

You would have thought in the 21st century that they would be able to invent a reliable test to determine what the hell's going on with these damn hormones. It just seems a waste of (NHS) money and time (and blood-like we can spare any more). Now I feel the GP isn't going to believe me if the blood test is "normal"...and I really need something for this losing half my blood supply every couple of weeks.
I want a dishy Gynae Guy,Cyb sad I will demand one wink
Thank you Mardy..will let you know how I get on smile

CeliaFate Sun 30-Oct-11 12:38:44

Peris - I've c+p this from Sunday Times. Apologies for length of post, can't link because you have to pay to see it!

Strictly speaking, menopause occurs when you have had no periods for 12 months. The most common symptoms of menopause — hot flushes, night sweats, mood swings, memory problems, vaginal dryness, irregular periods — occur in the months or years before this, a time known as perimenopause.

The science
As we get older, the ovaries start to fail and less oestrogen is released. When this happens, the brain tries to jump-start them by releasing chemicals called follicle-stimulating hormone (FSH) and luteinising hormone (LH), and it is these hormones, as well as the sputtering surges and troughs of oestrogen production, that cause symptoms.

Foods to eat
Soya can help reduce the increased risk of cardiovascular disease and lowers the risk of osteoporosis, which can increase when oestrogen levels fall. It may help reduce the severity and frequency of hot flushes.
Calcium-rich foods such as leafy green vegetables, dried apricots, almonds and dairy produce will protect bones and help to balance your moods.
Increase your intake of phytoestrogens, including flax, pumpkin, sesame and sunflower seeds, which help to keep hormones in balance.
Low-GI foods, in particular whole grains, help to maintain steady blood-sugar levels and ease mood swings; they are also rich in B vitamins, which affect the hormonal balance in the body and your mood.
Omega-3 oils, found in flaxseeds, quinoa and oily fish, are anti-inflammatory and can reduce a number of symptoms, such as hot flushes.
Plenty of fruit and vegetables, which contain B vitamins and a host of other nutrients, including antioxidants.
Foods rich in vitamin E (such as sunflower seeds, almonds, peanuts, pine nuts, cooked spinach, avocado and dried apricots) control and even eliminate hot flushes and can help with vaginal dryness.

Foods to avoid
Spicy foods, caffeine and alcohol dilate the blood vessels and can make night sweats and hot flushes worse. Hot drinks may also exacerbate these symptoms. Alcohol puts pressure on your liver, which makes it less effective at processing oestrogens in your body.
Sugary, refined foods can exacerbate mood problems and even memory loss, as well as causing fluctuations in your blood-sugar levels.
High levels of saturated fat can increase the risk of heart disease and cause weight gain that may be difficult to shift.
Fizzy drinks that contain caffeine can weaken bones and trigger hot flushes and night sweats.

Expert tips
Smoking can increase hot flushes and long-term health risks.
Breathing exercises can encourage relaxation, which can reduce hot flushes and emotional symptoms, and help lift your mood.
Regular exercise keeps bones strong, improves circulation (which can have an impact on hot flushes), lifts your mood and helps manage your weight.
Getting a good night’s sleep can ease symptoms and help you feel more energetic and balanced; aim for 8-10 hours a night.
Being overweight can increase hot flushes and night sweats.
Wear layers, so you can control your temperature more easily.

Edamame dip with spiced pitta chips and crudites
Serves 8 as a snack

For the pitta chips
4 wholegrain pitta breads
1 tbsp olive oil
1 tsp ground cumin
1 tsp garlic powder
¼ tsp cayenne pepper

For the dip~
400g edamame beans, shelled
200g silken tofu or fat-free yoghurt
2 tbsp olive oil
Finely grated zest and juice of 1 lemon
2 cloves of garlic, crushed
20g bunch of mint, leaves only, roughly chopped
1 tsp ground cumin
Freshly ground black pepper

For the crudités
2 carrots, peeled and cut into sticks
2 stalks of celery, cut into sticks
¼ cucumber, cut into sticks

Heat the oven to 180C/Gas Mark 4. Slice the pitta breads into bite-sized wedges, mix the oil and spices together in a bowl and toss the pitta wedges in the mixture to coat. Spread the pitta out on a large baking sheet and bake for 20-25 minutes, or until crisp and golden.

Steam or blanch the edamame beans for 5 minutes until tender, run under cold water and drain. Tip into a food processor along with the remaining dip ingredients and blitz until smooth. Serve the dip with the pitta chips and crudités.

CeliaFate Sun 30-Oct-11 12:40:45

FFS - For once I'd love alcohol, chocolate and chips to be the solution to our problems!

crazynannawitchbitch Sun 30-Oct-11 12:46:19

Thankyou for that CeliaFate
I found useful the 'Foods to eat.' I will really try to bring those things into my diet,although I am a terribly unhealthy eater,with the bad food list being my regular intake blush

Having said that,my Peri symptoms are really getting on my tits (pardon the pun),so now is the time to take responsibility for my future health.

Bellavita Sun 30-Oct-11 13:26:14

Well my period has gone awol.... Should have come on last week. Got all the symptoms and then nothing.

The only thing on the above list that lets me down is caffeine. I am a huge coffee drinker. I do have peppermint tea bags in so I think I will substitute every other "coffee" drink with one of those.

crazynannawitchbitch Sun 30-Oct-11 13:39:44

Don't be fooled Bella....I had a 46 dayer cycle 2 months ago. Thought it was a complete "missed",then there it was....saying "did ya miss me,biatch?" angry

Keep your pads and spare knickers handy wink

Bellavita Sun 30-Oct-11 13:51:01

crazy, typical isn't it - I am back at work tomorrow after having last week off - you can bet your bottom dollar it will make an appearance at work angry

This is all so shite isn't it....

Mardymwahhaha Sun 30-Oct-11 16:53:43

"Spicy foods, caffeine and alcohol"

That's me fucked then.

oldsilverbullet Sun 30-Oct-11 17:02:44

I'm with you Mardy that's my "healthy food regime" buggered grin <<watches dp reheat my arseburning chilli>>

Yay this period has finally finished it's only been 11 days - whoop whoop, thinking of taking out shares in a sanipro company hmm

crazynannawitchbitch Sun 30-Oct-11 20:28:36

oldsilverbullet Poor you 12 days sad how we don't pass out,I will never know. Day 7 for me on a 17 day cycle,and still as heavy as day 1 <pissed off>

Bella Snap..this is my week's annual leave,and spent most of it with a nappy on,dosed up with painkillers and as grumpy as hell hmm

Shite it certainly is.

Bring on the bloody Menopause

BarryStar Mon 31-Oct-11 14:52:41

Just had a traumatic experience involving my recently purchased (thanks to this thread) lady magnet and the toilet. Nobody warned me that it was liable to ping of my knickers into the loo, and I that I would be called upon to retrieve it. Would almost rather have a hot flush.

crazynannawitchbitch Mon 31-Oct-11 21:52:57

Barrystar don't flush! Hot or not...don't flush! The bloody thing cost money!
Christ! Did you get it back! Does it work? grin

BarryStar Mon 31-Oct-11 23:16:58

Only flushes going on are hot ones crazynanna!. I donned rubber gloves, closed my eyes and delved! Offending item is now in Milton until the morning. I don't know if it works really, I do seem to have had fewer flushes, but that might be psychological. Will keep at it and report back later!

oldsilver Fri 04-Nov-11 20:15:50

OOh some good news at last have been put on steroids (for unrelated health matter).

Apparently one of the side effects is that I may have irregular or no periods at all ... RESULT grin

I may grow a proper beard and testicles though...

crazynanna Sat 05-Nov-11 23:06:23

OMG Silver shock jammy caaahh¬! I want an unrelated health problem and steroids. Already got facial hair,so that's a piece of piss! grin

Result <punches air>

oldsilver Sat 05-Nov-11 23:36:04

grin No you don't - really you don't!! I'm not getting too excited about it though until I've gone at least 28 days without the carnage grin

crazynanna Sat 05-Nov-11 23:38:50

<awaits with interest>
Hope you get on ok...not the AF..just with the steroids smile

SarahStratton Sun 06-Nov-11 00:40:31

Testicles. hmm

I wonder if one could self fertilise in that case. Give it a whirl silver, you may yet be a medical miracle.

crazynanna Sun 06-Nov-11 00:41:50

I already got balls wink

SarahStratton Sun 06-Nov-11 00:52:18

I'm cultivating a beard. Who knows what will happen next. confused

oldsilver Sun 06-Nov-11 17:11:56

grin thanks <<snigger>> grin

crazynanna Mon 07-Nov-11 18:09:42

Ok went to docs today about this sodding bleeding and other symptoms.

She said some of my symptoms are Peri...but not all.
The indigestionis not related,nor the itchy skin confused
She insisted on giving me an internal shock which I was completely unprepared for! I had the dodgiest knickers on you have ever seen,odd socks,and legs so hairy,they resembled toilet brushes blush

Anyway...womb is very enlarged,she says,and she is not happy re pain in ovary area (which I thought was just PMT). I described my blood loss,which gave her a face like this hmm

So,blood tests for FBC,LFT (Iknow what hese are),and ferritin(iron?) and Ca 125
(no idea what that is)

Also,have to have a scan,she thinks probable fibroids,and says she feels that will show on scan.
So,in a nutshell,not only Peri,but falling to bits grin
Funny bit was the question "Do you bleed after sex" to which I replied "well no fella for 6 years,but will have a talk with my Rabbit to see if he's noticed!" grin

She just looked at me over her glasses blush

Will let you all know the outcome <wibbles>

BarryStar Mon 07-Nov-11 18:24:03

Oh nana, poor you. Try not to worry you, at least she's on the case now, and you may get some resolution to your problems. The Ca 125 thing - is it something to do with calcium levels?

And did she realise you meant your battery-operated rabbit and not your pet rabbit?

oldsilver Mon 07-Nov-11 19:45:37

nana try really hard not to laugh when you see the size of what they use for an internal (your Rabbit will seem so insignificant afterwards wink ). I had trouble keeping a straight face and I had DS with me ... he offered to and held my hand, bless, he's only 5 - I didn't quite realise what they were going to use when I went along grin

<<offers humour to try to overcome the wibbles>>

crazynanna Mon 07-Nov-11 20:48:22

BarryStar Thankyou smile. Apparently CA125 is a screening test for Ovarian cancer,as the symptoms for fibroids are somewhat similar. I am sure it's not that (hopeful).
Maybe she did think I meant a fluffy rabbit,which is why she looked at me like hmm grin

oldsilver I will try and keep a straight face,but if it's pink and rotates...I may blush wink

Anyone with any experience of fibroids? smile

oldsilver Mon 07-Nov-11 22:21:51

No sorry, no experience - it's why I had the dildo cam internal.... all they discovered was that although my period had finished a couple of days before there was still blood hanging around up there [yuck] - you can thank me for sharing later!

crazynanna Mon 07-Nov-11 22:25:44

envy <sick emoticon> silver
I fear is all they will find is a load of cobwebs and a condom from 1998 hmm

MardyBra Tue 08-Nov-11 10:29:15

Sorry to hear all this. Hope it all goes OK crazynanna.

PSML laughing at the comments to the GP through - did you really say the rabbit comment?

Maybe we should have have a sweepstake as to what they will actually find when they do your internal. I'll bet a fiver on the remains of a ham sandwich and half a packet of pork scratchings.

crazynanna Tue 08-Nov-11 11:35:42

Mardy grin
Yes I said it...a combination of MN style humour and nerves/breaking the tension.
Went down like a lead baloon blush

If it's a ham sandwich,I want it back...I am bloody starving atm <hunts choccie bics>

MardyBra Tue 08-Nov-11 11:46:06

grin would loved to have been a fly on the wall.

oldsilver Wed 16-Nov-11 20:35:03

Bugger - that didn't work then bastard period arrived 19 days since the last one ... let the bloodbath begin...

Mind you no testicles either the beards another matter grin

crazynanna Wed 16-Nov-11 20:42:04

sad twatting thing.
Is it heavy? You feeling ok? smile

oldsilver Wed 16-Nov-11 21:15:10

I have the headache from hell, but apart from that - only day 1 though ... this could get messy wink

You had your other test dildo cam yet???

crazynanna Wed 16-Nov-11 21:19:18

I know what you 2/3 for me is the biggy. Take something for your head <hugs>

Funnily enough,the hospital called me at 8p**m with an appointment for rabbitcam..for Dec 15th <slightly looking forward to it as rabbit is getting a bit boring--

oldsilver Wed 16-Nov-11 21:24:22

grin I started to worry when she put a condom on it - what the blooming heck does it need that for I wondered ... does it self lubricate grin And no, you don't get a choice of types of condoms latex or non latex grin

crazynanna Wed 16-Nov-11 21:35:47

Well if it made you preggers, the baby would have batteries up it's arse. grin

oldsilver Sun 20-Nov-11 17:28:01

Thank you crazy for mentioning me on that thread - are you sure, you have seen my profile pictures? wink Mind you, you are right, I don't know what TMI means grin

crazynanna Sun 20-Nov-11 17:36:34

grin Just saw your pic, kinda girl! wink
Hope you ok.

oldsilver Sun 20-Nov-11 17:59:31

Just the normal - full on red alert hmm and no bollocks either, my life is just one big disappointment grin

And you??

crazynanna Sun 20-Nov-11 18:04:54

18 days and no sight..woo hoo!
Got a bit PMTish 2 days ago,when I cried because Tesco didn't have any mince hmm
Told everyone.."my life is shit" because of it blush

oldsilver Sun 20-Nov-11 18:21:56

Awww - I cried when 3 buses didn't turn up and I was late for work ... I only work an hour that day and the only reason I was catching a bus was cause my bicycle (no never in white trousers .... ever!) had a puncture, and my body was telling me it didn't want to walk - it was the end of the world [pathetic emotional mess]

crazynanna Sun 20-Nov-11 18:30:07

God it's ridiculous! grin
We will laugh one day wink

oldsilver Sun 20-Nov-11 18:51:39

So I keep being told as well as "you come into your own when you are in your 40's - you are more confident and relaxed" <<sits and waits, twiddles thumbs, taps feet, checks watch repeatedly>>

crazynanna Sun 20-Nov-11 18:54:56

More like "(after a night out) you'll come in on your own in your 40s"

oldsilver Sun 20-Nov-11 19:03:02


Unlike me who came in with a two day hangover this Friday Night and I NEVER get hangovers <<glares viciously at body letting me down>>

animula Sun 20-Nov-11 19:29:39

Hello all. Haven't quite caught up on whole of thread yet.

Crazynana, I went to GP this week & am going back for blood tests. I guessed that I'd get an internal exam, so I was at least prepared in the undies department. Still, it was a great way to start the day. <sarcastic tone>

Hope your results are all right. Won't fibroids shrink without oestroegen though?

crazynanna Sun 20-Nov-11 20:56:03

Good luck with the tests animula. Hope they are ok. I await my blood results...and my appointment with Rabbitcam hmm

Portofino Sun 20-Nov-11 20:59:28

I "veeted" my moustache this morning - only fine fair hair but it was looking decidely bushy...blush. I have now discovered that it was hiding wrinkles underneath!!! <<sobs>>

Oooh - hello ladies - is this the Peri Quiche? Have I found you at last?

crazynanna Sun 20-Nov-11 21:11:47

Portofino...ya see! Mama Nature puts female facial hair there for a reason! She's so perfect...Mama Nature wink

ExitPursuedByaBear you sure have found us!
But are you Peri? Do you look 6 months gone pre-AF? Do you forget your address at the Argos delivery counter? Could you sort out a major disaster blood transfusion call with your AF? Do you sweat all day and have strange dreams of Geronimo by night? Yes? then welcome smile

animula Sun 20-Nov-11 21:25:11

Portofino - It's a joy. Oh yes.

Well, well, well.

Dh just suggested I tackle the washing-up mountain (no dishwasher in this house sad ) and i pointed out that I am the embodiment of the triple goddess, entering my third phase. As a goddess, entering upon a critical life-change, I should be excused the mundanity of washing-up. And he's done it.

I also pointed out this could last ten years.

Somehow suspect that the goddess will have to don the marigolds now and then, but I am feeling a suitably venerated wise crone right now.

crazynanna Sun 20-Nov-11 21:28:47

Did he drain of colour when you told him it could last 10 years? grin

Hat's off to him though. Now you just got to get him to do the rest of the housework wink

oldsilver Sun 20-Nov-11 21:44:31

Whereas my dp can't understand why I can't go to the doctors and get a tablet to cure all of it grin grin grin grin grin grin

crazynanna Sun 20-Nov-11 22:06:57

Oh the innonence,silver grin

Portofino Sun 20-Nov-11 22:07:24

My dh is of the opinion that I should have control over my emotional state....hahahahahah!

crazynanna Sun 20-Nov-11 22:14:00

<falls over laughing at Portfino's hubby's comment>

crazynanna Sun 20-Nov-11 22:14:24

Potofino even

katkitya Sun 20-Nov-11 22:20:43

Someone told me at work the other day that I am always moaning sad

My fibroids feel massive. My hair is falling out like mad. I have pms all the time, period cycle is is about a week shorter.

Someone told me to start eating soya everyday.

Is anyone getting backache alot? Ive never had it before.

Sorry Crazy, been there, done it, got the t-shirt, t-shirt has shrunk and is now being used as a duster. (Ha, as if I ever dust.)

<whispers> I am on the other side...

At least I think I am. The worst bit for me was about three months ago when I swear I felt the fat cells in my waist and my thighs literally, and I use that word correctly wink expanding as I drove my car to the stables. It was a weird fizzing/popping sensation, and now I have extra body up my back iyswim.


A friend told me that when we lose oestrogen we lose our caring hormones.

Tis true.


I just feel sorry for my DD who is only 12. Late motherhood.

animula Sun 20-Nov-11 22:38:18

My dd's 8!!! <quails> You've scared me!!!!

Actually, I think I could do with caring just a weeny bit less. but I'm guessing it's not a weeny bit less, is it?

oldsilver Sun 20-Nov-11 22:45:42

My DS is nearly 6 <<trembles>> shitting self (makes a difference from weeing wink )

crazynanna Sun 20-Nov-11 22:46:44

envy Exit at being on the other side.

DD (13) usual line is..."why you bothered have kids' I will never know. You don't really give a damn,do you?"

To which I reply "Nope"


I think I may have reached a level of calm.

However, I do lie awake at night wondering if that was it...

Then I remind myself that lots of people have done fabulous things in their later years, and regain some hope.

More wine?

Sevenfold Sun 20-Nov-11 22:54:13

can any of you clever people answer a question, how much does the Mirena coil mask the menopause?

MardyBra Sun 20-Nov-11 22:57:11

Can;t help on that Seven. Scared shitless of the mirena. I'll keep snorting the tranexamic.

Sevenfold Sun 20-Nov-11 22:59:05

thing is I am Sure it has started, no ide why, just too many changes.
but had a blood test, all clear.
yet I am still sure.

crazynanna Sun 20-Nov-11 23:12:17

Katkitya tell the bastards who say you moan to fuck right off!
You're entotled to moan. It's shit is this...shit.

oldsilver Sun 20-Nov-11 23:20:03

Docs suggested I ought to have the Mirena coil seven when this all started about a year ago to regulate myself - wasn't keen on the idea myself though.

BelleDameSansMerci Sun 20-Nov-11 23:26:20

<slinks onto thread>


animula Sun 20-Nov-11 23:29:02

<pats BelleDame>


I'm so glad I found this thread, you know. You lot make me laugh and I feel very comforted knowing we're going through this together. smile

BelleDameSansMerci Sun 20-Nov-11 23:38:47

I don't have varying periods yet but have a lot of other symptoms. The bloody rogue hair patrol takes ages now. I may look as if I'm stroking my chin thoughtfully - I'm actually just constantly checking.

On the iron front, if the tablets make you constipated you could try Spatone. It's a iron supplement in water. Tastes a bit metallic (oddly enough) but is easily disguised in grapefruit juice. Really works well.

As for the rest, I don't want to be ooooooold...

And, I can't take any artificial hormones - even the sodding Mirena and the mini-pill make me ill - so no HRT for me. Been sterilised but makes no difference to my impending doom.

MardyBra Mon 21-Nov-11 00:23:41

I have taken to keeping a pair of tweezers on my desk, so I can absent-mindedly pluck my chin whilst surfing the net.

crazynanna Mon 21-Nov-11 08:28:37

<links arms with animula> smile

crazynanna Mon 21-Nov-11 08:31:43

BelleDameSansMerci My kitten thinks I'm her mummy because of my whiskers hmm

MardyBra Mon 21-Nov-11 12:13:54

Btw crazynanna, thanks for the mention on 'tother loveliest thread. I've been trying to stay away from naming names -- but the peris and Nobdies would feature if I did--

MardyBra Mon 21-Nov-11 12:14:17

Crap deletion. Grrr.

crazynanna Mon 21-Nov-11 12:17:34

I do luffs you,mardy eventhough you keep trying to farm me out to Gransnet

BelleDameSansMerci Mon 21-Nov-11 14:56:10

My mum is on Gransnet... Best avoided, I think.

MardyBra Mon 21-Nov-11 15:15:44

At least your mum can use the net, Belle. My DM won't touch a computer in case she breaks it.

crazynanna Mon 21-Nov-11 15:44:54

My mum's got an Ipad.She's not a clue how to use it...she just sits in her hospital appt waiting area flicking the pages looking smug grin

oldsilver Mon 21-Nov-11 20:35:16

You know I love you too Mummy Mardy <<smiles adoringly>>

WeepsInPaleDew Mon 28-Nov-11 21:09:40

I knew it, deep down. I'll just need a day or two to let it sink in a bit. I'm lucky in that I have a lovely niece and nephew. I will be their cool auntie Weeps.

It's not the end of the world, I've coped with worse and bounced back. Its small tatties in the great scheme of things. It just seems a bit unfair.

<aware is whining and will stop>

Cheers for that thread Beer, helps to know not alone. smile

I haven't even read today's posts yet. I could be whining and there could be lovely Nobs out there with proper clouds on their horizons.

<gives self hefty boot up arse>

WeepsInPaleDew Mon 28-Nov-11 21:13:41

And now I've just posted this on the wrong thread.

Sorry to everyone on here, can you guess what the lovely nurse told me today? I've had a bit of a shock and my head is all over the place.

I'm a bit gutted I didn't get round to having mini-Weeps when I had the chance.

Again apologies. blush

crazynanna Mon 28-Nov-11 21:18:24

Are you ok Weeps? Us Peris are here...we are old 'n wise...whatever's up smile

oldsilver Mon 28-Nov-11 21:27:21

<<takes off beer's head and puts on her own>>

See weeps this is a good place to come visit smile

<<waves to crazy smile >>

crazynanna Mon 28-Nov-11 21:32:53

<<waves to Silver>>

How's it going?
I am on day 28 and no sign <bliss>
Blood tests normal...exceot for Ferritin which is low,which explains why I cannot even muster energy to tap this keyboard <falls asleep>
CA125 (cancer marker) was in normal range <breaths again>

Hope you ok Weeps smile

oldsilver Mon 28-Nov-11 21:39:28

Oh I am so jealous (or is it wel jel hmm ) I just finished my latest bout Saturday - only 9 days hmm

Yay to the blood tests - They have to run the whole gamut don't they, so what you taking for the exhaustion - have you raided the iron mongery yet or just going for the pills - not long now til RabbitCam grin

crazynanna Mon 28-Nov-11 21:42:53

grin <wistful Rabbitcam thoughts> <easily pleased> <beggars can't be choosers>

Doc wants to see me re iron tabs....apparently need vitamins too <will take anything right now>

Day 9 sad twatting thing sad

oldsilver Mon 28-Nov-11 21:53:52

And STILL no bollocks...

Sounds like it's all getting sorted then ... you'll be leaping around like a spring chicken in no time grin

BarryStar Mon 28-Nov-11 22:06:30

Hey ladies, how's things? Glad your blood tests came out ok crazy (you don't mind if I dispense with the nana do you?)

Ok, I scored a double today in the forgetfullness and crying stakes. Had a parcel delivered, and when I had to sign that stupid signy thing they have, I signed it with my maiden name. I've only been married for 18 years so easy mistake to make - not. When I realised what I'd done, I was swamped with feelings of guilt and of betrayal of dh and of unworthiness - and started crying. Oh my god, the poor delivery man couldn't get away quickly enough.

And I also have to report the mysterious disappearance of half of my bloody useless peri magnet thing. I've been wearing it religiously, and retrieving it regularly from various awkward places its pinged off too, but yesterday evening, upon stripping off - nothing. Disappeared. Nada. Poof. God only knows where it went, but can't say I'll miss it. Hot flushes have been as hot and flushy as ever.

And the last confession of the evening - three large bars of toblerone, meant for christmas presents, have strangely gone awry. Can't think what can have happened to them ....

MardyBra Mon 28-Nov-11 22:11:46

mmm. toblerone...

WeepsInPaleDew Mon 28-Nov-11 22:29:31

crazynanna, thank you for kind words. smile

When my head is a bit less fuzzy I'm going to read through this thread properly. It looks like it provide the answers to a lot of questions I'm going to have!

Poor olds, I didn't even get her name right! It's been a long day anyway and then the nurse appointment kinda finished me a bit. I will be back, thank you for replying to my random little post!

olds just in case you didn't see it on t'other thread, my heartfelt apologies. blush

oldsilver Mon 28-Nov-11 22:35:53

No problemo weeps you'll notice memory is the first to go - the word "thingy" is very very handy for names, items, bit's of body...

<<puts on sherlock hat and goes in search of Toblerone and other chocolatey comestables - munch>>

crazynanna Mon 28-Nov-11 22:59:31

Silver don't fret about the bollocks...I hear they are hard to shave anyway...and we lot have enough to shave,don't we? wink

Barry do you mind if I have a little chuckle at your delivery man legging it down the drive? grin ok,do not fret...I win the forgetfulness stakes by forgetting my own address at the Argos cash desk <even tried giving my GP's address> your maiden name is acceptable smile

I have eaten 2 of the grandchildren's selection boxes in 1 back to Tesco <thank Christ for BOGOFs>
As for the Magnet...well I save that joke I have for when we are all pissed as farts wink

Hey Mardy smile

And welcome Weeps...when you read all of will realise you have the right bloody name hmm grin

BarryStar Sat 03-Dec-11 00:30:28

Evening all, bit quiet on her last few days. How is everybody?

Hmm, it's just possible that I have maybe, perhaps, been a teeny tiny bit, um, moody recently. Dh has just told me that he was talking to his friend yesterday, and told him he was having a bit of trouble "reading" me these days (which translated means " haven't the faintest clue what's going on in her head and she's bloody moody"). Friend told him to read up about the perimenopause, which dh did, and he's just been telling me how he understands that it's a very difficult time for me! Don't know whether to feel pleased or patronised. Actually, I'm pleased I think. Now, how best to capitalise on his new-found understanding ...

WeThreeKingsOfMardyBra Sat 03-Dec-11 02:16:49

OK - I can now add loss of pelvic floor control to my old age symptoms. I'd thought I was relatively OK after Caesarians (long story - kids got stuck for various reasons). But now I've got a bad cough and the clenching didn't work earlier.

Barry, I think I need to indoctrinate inform DH in a similar way. DD is, however, being an absolute star and is generally very useful in filling in blanks when my brain goes into freeze mode.

I would give you all a hug, but I fear we might all break out into a hot flush mild glow.

HoHoHoldsilver Sat 03-Dec-11 11:09:04

It will be useful Mardy when it gets really cold grin - the hug that is smile I've been hearing about the cough all over the place ... even from very much younger women - think Tena are going to be doing a roaring trade this Winter.

Barry can I borrow your DH's mate to have a word with my dp ... he has absolutely no concept and I keep trying to tell him and it's just not going though. Mind you this is the bloke that can give up smoking every few weeks and DS and I barely come out alive has absolutely no side effects or mood changes whatsoever hmm

Barry don't have the OH anymore,but I was reading out the syptoms of iron deficiency (which doc says I have due to losing half my blood supply every month) to DD the other day,and every syptom I read out,she butted in ".....and mood swings" hmm,so there it is...even the little people notice it.

mardy I had what doc said 2 years ago an Irritable Bladder...otherwise 'pissing your knickers unless you get to the bog with 0.225 seconds of the inkling to pee'.
It is now suspected it is another symtom of these probable fibroids...which is pleasing as it means if they are treated...I won't smell like catpee anymore (Hoorah)

Yes I hear Tena are good and not like a nappy at all <sniggers>

Loving the santa names...HoHoHoldsilver indeedy! grin

AChickenCalledKorma Mon 05-Dec-11 10:24:03

Glad to have found you guys. Haven't had time to read all 17 pages yet, so apologies if this has been done ...

I'm 41 and think I'm peri-menopausal. Won't go into all the gory details!

I'm interested to know if anyone's found that the contraceptive implant keeps some symptoms at bay? I've had quite tender boobs for a few months. No lumps, just v tender. Was on the brink of getting round to asking a doctor about them when I renewed my contraceptive implant. Since then, all is fine.

Also, the last two times I've had the implant I've had horrible mood swings for the first few weeks. This time nothing.

Presumably my "natural" hormones were more up the creek than I realised and the implant has put things back in balance. Is that plausible? Not that it really matters, but I'd like to have some clue what my body's up to!!!

BarryStar Tue 06-Dec-11 00:01:13

Hi Chicken, have no knowledge of the implant so can't help you on that score, sorry.

Crazy, when are you being seen about your fibroids?

Mardy, I think incontinence is necessary for you to be allowed onto this thread, so don't worry grin

I was on another thread earlier, talking about something I'd bought today - but I couldn't remember for the life of me where I'd bought it grin I mean, we're talking a matter of hours ago and I just couldn't remember (I have remembered since then, but even so ...)

Oh, and on Saturday I went to see Father Christmas arriving by helicopter - and I cried. I'm talking actual sobbing. My friend very charitably put it down to me being touched by the wide-eyed delight of all the children, but I fear it was more to do with being struck dumb with admiration for the helicopter pilot, who not only hovered, but then flew backwards! That's totally fucking a bit strange isn't it?

Same friend made me nearly choke laughing though - she has a theory re the disappearance of my useless peri-magnet. I have absorbed it apparently!

See you soon.

MardyBra Tue 20-Dec-11 15:40:59

Huge TMI coming up alert. blush

I seem to be having a phantom "dried up" period instead of my normal period. This happened last time I missed one too - just a bit of dark brown congealed stuff, rather than a full blown period. Has this happened to anyone else, or am I a freak of nature?

HoHoHoldsilver Tue 20-Dec-11 22:19:05

<<waves to Mardy >>

I always get this a few days before, and after the bloodbath aswell. I mentioned to the docs about it being like I was "rusting" he seemed to understand completely what I meant by this - don't know if that helps??? Just so you know - I am almost jealous smile

<<wave wave>> <<wave wave>>

No...I don't get the phantom rusty period...always the full blown nasty bitch comes to visit.
How are we all coping with the festivities?
Got to syptoms are giving me a break...I am feeling normal(ish) shock

Had scan.....pissed off as not fricking RabbitCam hmm Never no pleasures for moi...never! Just a young lass with the belly scanner.
No visible fibroids...but muscle change showing early fibroid signs. She went on to say "It's just something oldies have to bear" hmm bitch!
Anyways....went to docs,who said the iron levels were literally bottoming out,and gave me the ferrous things and some transemic acid. I did break down and say the bleeding is really getting me down,and she said she would refer me to UCH gynae to discuss ablation shock was a bit taken aback that with no visible fibroids it's an option....but she said with the other symptoms like pissing myself pressure on bladder,it's worth a second opinion.

But gels I am feeling not too bad....just knackered from low iron.

Hope you all ok smile

MardyBra Wed 21-Dec-11 20:48:01

<waves just because everyone else is...>
Yes, rusty is a good description. Anyway, am liking "rusty" in place of the normal "Battle of the Somme". I still had full blown PMT beforehand though - mainly taken out on MN on the Facebook button debate. In fact, I'm sure if someone wanted to, they could track my menstrual cycle by my outbursts on this forum.

shock at crazynanny and the ageist scanning girl. (did you tell her about your gransnet addiction?) Hope you're soon feeling a bit better with the iron tablets.

HoHoHoldsilver Sat 24-Dec-11 17:59:38

Just popping in to wish you all a very Peri Christmas <<did you see what I dd there, no I haven't been at the eggnog yet>>

And that we manage to keep our wobbly hormones under control for at least 2 days <<weeps my baby was born 6 years ago tomorrow>>

Have a good one grin thanks

HaveYourselfAMardyLittleXmas Sun 25-Dec-11 10:05:25

Peri Christmas!
<hoiks Bozooms Les Dawson-style under new Christmas dress>
<adjusts paper hat>
<eyes up Bucks Fizz>
Have a good one ladies

oldsilverfathertime Sun 01-Jan-12 00:18:13

HAPPY NEW YEAR PERIS for a laugh cause I think we need it - and I've always hated D-fucking-ream grin

crazynanna Sun 01-Jan-12 00:23:38

Happeri New Year!!!!!! <wipes sweat> grin

Sorry missed the Perri Christmas was pissed vair busy wink

Was that really that fella whose dead clever like? shock at the hair!

<<ps have finally hit the biggie me thinks....first hot flush 2 days ago oh my fucking G it was awful!!>>>

oldsilver Sun 01-Jan-12 13:07:29

<<fans crazy>>

Yes it was, Prof Brian lippy boy Cox grin <<feels very old now>>

MardyBra Mon 02-Jan-12 09:39:46

This thread seems to dwindling. Am reminded of the three old witches in Macbeth, who doubtless huddled around their fire discussing the hot flushes it gave them, along with sharing tips about all that facial hair generated by their warts. Happy New Year, fellow crones.

PandorasSocks Mon 02-Jan-12 10:52:21

I need to join this thread sad

Have been peri for about 18 months, just turned 44 a couple of days ago, and I hate it, hate myself, hate everyone else! It's like re-living my teenage years only with more weight, hot flushes, a husband and bloody kids!

It's cruel, I tell ya, cruel!

(Happy new year)

crazynanna Mon 02-Jan-12 14:29:38

Double,Double,Toil and Trouble
Fire Burn and Caldron bubble......

Witch 1 checking in.
Welcome PandorasSocks

I do believe I am hitting the real thing baby!
Bloody hot flushes like I really am a witch at the stake. Christ on a bike!

No period since Nov 18th (hoorah) Seeing gynae next month as scan showed no fibroids but some muscle fibroid changes.

Week 2 of iron tabs...farting for England but do feel a little better energy wise.

How is all yous? smile

oldsilver Mon 02-Jan-12 18:04:43

For a charm of powerful trouble,
Like a hell-broth boil and bubble...

Witch 2 checking in.

Cool that the Iron tabs are working, boo bout the burning at the stake flushes You sure the side effect is not related to eating too many sprouts (good though lots of iron) grin

Had the heaviest period yet - thought it was shorter than usual though, til I checked and it had only gone on for 9 days hmm. I could have just taken to my bed - maybe not moving would have helped - complete carnage as I was trying to rush around with all the last week of school and sorting Christmas combo!

Hello and welcome Pandora please feel free to TMI grin

MardyBra Tue 03-Jan-12 12:09:36

Welcome Pandora.
<passes brew from cauldron>

JugglingWithGoldandMyrhh Wed 04-Jan-12 21:25:52

Hiya !
crazynanna just did me a nice link over here from the office chair thread !

So, thought I'd say hello, and have a little sip of that cauldron brew brew
if you're passing it round !
( Think I might have been on thread earlier actually, but very forgetful these days blush and too impatient to read back pages ! )

AgathaCrusty Wed 04-Jan-12 22:28:44

Well, feck me! All these other women with the same symptoms.

Will check back in tomorrow.

Obviously, I will have forgotten this thread exists tomorrow hmm

crazynanna Wed 04-Jan-12 22:37:06

Mardy as you can see I have been on a leeetle recruitment drive although had to steal them from a poor embarrassed poster's thread blush

Welcome Peris' smile
Try and read the thread if you can....'tis funny grin

Will check in bloody sweaty atm and need a shower.

oldsilver Wed 04-Jan-12 22:37:26

grin Agatha the Watch This Thread button is my friend.

Juggling I couldn't see you smile used Cntrl F cause of sieve like memory wink

And welcome both!

crazynanna Wed 04-Jan-12 22:41:40

<<waves to Oldsilver>>

oldsilver Wed 04-Jan-12 22:46:05

<<waves back>> grin

AgathaCrusty Thu 05-Jan-12 00:05:11

oldsilver - think I will have to make a note on one of my endless 'remember to do' notes....

CointreauVersial Thu 05-Jan-12 00:44:12

Another peri-menopausal refugee from the Office Chair thread here.

I also cannot recall if I came onto this thread earlier, so I will have a little read to see if I did and see what nonsense I was spouting.

MardyBra Thu 05-Jan-12 01:13:40

Oh I saw the office chair thread but didnt have time to read it all. The joys of flooding. If it's any consolation I had an aircraft incident a while back during the bit where you're strapped in for ages while landing. Luckily had black trousers on and a spare pair in my bag, but not an incident I like to remember. Have been much better since prescribed tranexamic acid.

grin at crazynanna's recruitment drive.

kerrymumbles Thu 05-Jan-12 01:17:06

ah hello all

can i join?

[slits wrists]

MardyBra Thu 05-Jan-12 01:17:37

Anyway welcome newbies.

<pours extra gin into brew>

MardyBra Thu 05-Jan-12 01:18:27

X post with Kerry. Welcome.

kerrymumbles Thu 05-Jan-12 01:27:43


my memory is so bad lately. it is very frustrating. I have gone from being able to remember 1000 tasks and who was responsible for each and by what date to forgetting why I walked down the stairs.....


MardyBra Thu 05-Jan-12 01:29:59

Memory not good here either. I am increasingly relying on DD to fill in the blanks. She also caught me trying to use a phone as a remote control for the telly yesterday.

kerrymumbles Thu 05-Jan-12 01:33:34

it is very frustrating when having an argument with dh. grin

i am hopeful in that the gp said it will pass once i've gone through it.

CeliaFate Thu 05-Jan-12 08:03:10

My memory's shite too. I got a wine glass out yesterday and promptly filled it with milk. Ugh! grin

Went to g.p. yesterday for results of blood tests. My hormone levels are slightly elevated but within normal range, so they're going to repeat the tests in 2 months.

Also have to have internal exam to check size of womb etc. At least she gave me advance warning so I can shave my legs and wear nice knickers. (I used to do that for a night out, how times have changed!!!)

CointreauVersial Thu 05-Jan-12 17:31:15

Well I've perused the 18 pages, very enlightening, quite a lot of grin, but no prior appearance by me, so I must have been imagining that I posted here before, forgetful deluded old bag that I am.

No matter. Pass the gin.

44 here for another six weeks at least, and my periods have become increasingly hellish and irregular over the last couple of years. The GP recently put me on the pill (Mercilon), and it is fantastic - I can actually leave the house during my period, if indeed it shows up at all. The mini-pill (Cerazette) made things worse, but the full-fat version seems just the ticket. It has smoothed the grumpy moods too.

It's a shame my libido hasn't been seen since about 2005, otherwise I could make good use of all that bonus contraception. I read with interest about all the frisky thoughts some of you have been experiencing. envy

kerrymumbles Thu 05-Jan-12 18:29:45

is anyone else's relationship suffering due to mood swings, etc.?

MardyBra Thu 05-Jan-12 19:44:13

I take my mood swings out on MN! grin

ElectricSoftParade Thu 05-Jan-12 20:27:03

Aha! I knew there was a thread about this and that I had posted on it but I couldn't remember where and which one. My memory is not going at all.

Kerry DH and DCs don't know from one minute to the next whether I will be crying or raging. Personally, I prefer to do both together as it gives me more time to dash to the loo to change my pads for the 20th time today.

Hope we all get a good night's sleep without any hot flushes or flooding. <hopeful>

Eowyn Thu 05-Jan-12 20:34:53

Hello, I've lurked awhile but thought I should join in. I'm 43 & have had irregular periods & unexplained pains (which were investigated & nothing found a year ago).
Not too bad over last year but I haven't had a period since mid October, did preg test last week & negative thank goodness, as use diaphragm a bit sporadically.
I only just got married so really don't want to be moody & menopausal all the time.... It's only these threads that stop me worring every second of the day, I thought I was too young for all this tho I can't say the Dr was at all concerned....
Anyway, that's all for now, Hi everyone!

kerrymumbles Thu 05-Jan-12 20:34:54

i started crying in Tesco today because a clerk was really rude to me for no reason whatsoever. sad i was so so embarrassed but couldn't stop the tears streaming down my face.

kerrymumbles Thu 05-Jan-12 20:36:45

i just got married a little over a year ago eowyn. poor dh sad

i'm 49. periods were wonky for a bit here and there but now are rather regular again. hmm

it's the hair loss and memory that's freaking me out.

dh wins every argument now because he pulls out the "psycho menopausal woman" card. hmm

ElectricSoftParade Thu 05-Jan-12 20:41:13

Ah Kerry, hope you are feeling a bit better now.

I have to go to the Post Office tomorrow to apologise to the clerk as I was outraged at the price of posting a card. It wasn't her fault, poor woman, and I was so rude. I am totally ashamed of myself and I will go to see her tomorrow and apologise and I will not cry while doing it. Horrible person, that is what I am and I can't use the excuse of peri.

I'm sure I was quite pleasant until recently sad.

ElectricSoftParade Thu 05-Jan-12 20:44:16

Hello Eowyn, it is a comfort to read you are not on your own with these symptoms.

<snarls at nothing and then sobs for a bit and then forgets about something>

Eowyn Thu 05-Jan-12 20:46:04

It's hard to believe we have years of this to go. My mum doesn't remember having any trouble, I think she's just more stoical than me. It's hard to think about anything else sometimes, even tho I guess it's normal & ok....

crazynanna Thu 05-Jan-12 20:49:52

Uh-oh....lots of sads' and hmms' on here fellow Periwitches!!

Trick is to see it (as one Peri once said) as your next stage of Goddess!
And the next trick is...try and make light of a bad day! I did see the funny side of crying my eyes out once and declaring "My life is shit!" at the lack of mince inTescos wink

The dirty dreams will come to you...I promise! And just think,when it's all over more periods!!! EVER!!! Woohoo!

BTW....does anyone else get like cold shivers all the way down their body in bed? Or is it just me thinking of my next credit card bill? Just recently started getting the hot flushes....and these funny cold shivers have now arrived. I frighten my poor sleeping pal kitten to death...and why are kittens so scared of loud farts?

Another mystery smile

Eowyn Thu 05-Jan-12 20:50:40

I had an unusual moment of niceness t'other week, they played Fairytale of NY on radio & I started sobbing whilst driving to Sainburys thinking how lovely DH is, & worse than that, bought him a card saying To My Perfect Husband.... I am never going to live it down. He positively cackled with delight...

jerin Thu 05-Jan-12 21:39:54

Hi Ladies.......

Not sure what led to start reading this thread but soooo pleased that I did. (not all pages yet, even if I had I'd have forgotten by now so..)

I think this is me! I'm (only) 38, no, 39 but my periods have been all over the place for two years now and the rages started about then too.
Periods had always been regularish and since children I'm often so busy I don't realise it's been a couple of months since the last. Could having children have kick started menopause?
Last period was October sometime, feel that it's about to arrive but have done for a couple of months now. I've not had hot or cold flushes, nor the nymph urges (libido been well and truly low for past two years).
I have a couple of weeks where I feel ok and then bam! It's pmt but 100 times worse than I've ever experienced. It's the rages- toothpaste, switches not turned off, any little thing really. Poor oh gets the brunt of it. Then no period, nothing. And the forgetfulness, drives me crazy. I put something down then spend the next 20 minutes looking for it!! Keys. Bag, coat, pen, wipes. Socks, anything and everything.

Have broken down at docs a couple of times but just been sent away as a blubbering wreck....

Someone kind tell me that this could all mean I am peri menopausal rather than just a loon!

jerin Thu 05-Jan-12 22:27:21

Jeeez......just googled and I've 8 out of 11 symptoms.....

Maybe I'm not losing my mind after all.... Well I am but at least I can put it down to something.

Right, next to try and salvage relationship with oh...... Hurry up sexual urges.....

Hope I didnt thread kill btw...

ElectricSoftParade Fri 06-Jan-12 08:08:53

jerin you haven't killed it and you are not alone petal.

My plan today, as I said above, is to go and apologise to the Post Office woman. It's bad enough being foul to my DH and DCs but this woman was an innocent bystander to my foulness. Wish me luck!

JugglingWithGoldandMyrhh Fri 06-Jan-12 09:04:25

Oohh - what did you say Electric - do tell us about The Post Office Saga !

And good luck with apologising ... I hope you can clear the air smile

I lost my job recently after one year contract at DSs school wasn't renewed ...
perhaps I can put that down to being a bit Peri too ... either that or I could blame the current economic situation country going down the pan

Wish me luck applying for new jobs, deciding which ones to go for, and then applying and occasionally going for an interview ...

Anyway, I'm going to the opticians today so at least something planned for the day which will take me into town ...

Have a nice day all smile

MardyBra Fri 06-Jan-12 09:58:27

Heard on the radio today that brain capacity starts declining in mid 40s.

PandorasSocks Fri 06-Jan-12 10:34:09

Getting really, really pissed off with DH putting every argument, upset, angry word of mine down to hormones!

Equally pissed off with DH not understanding that I'm hormonal!


(thanks for the welcome by the way - nice to belong somewhere with people who understand that I'm not a psycho-mad-screaming-witch-from-the-eighth-circle-of-hell)

kerrymumbles Fri 06-Jan-12 11:53:39

i am going to take up chess. i recommend it highly. ds1 plays. people have been at me for years to take it up as I'm always bored at his tournaments. Supposedly it helps ward off alzheimers, etc.

things like this, suduko, crosswords, etc. all good for us to do really. not mn

kerrymumbles Fri 06-Jan-12 11:55:23

good luck with job hunt juggling!

exactly what I'm talking about pandora. i call it dh's "get out of jail free card". EVERYTHING can be blamed on my hormonal imbalances.

kerrymumbles Fri 06-Jan-12 11:56:51

my sex drive hasn't hit the bucket yet though i am generally not "ready to go" at the drop of a hat like I used to be due to dryness. Do we dry up ALTOGETHER at some point? sad

JugglingWithGoldandMyrhh Fri 06-Jan-12 12:04:33

Picking up from you kerry I was thinking is it all something you generally go through and come out the other side of at some point or is it all down hill from now on ? grin

Liking the term Peri by the way - reminds me of fruity, fermenting pears, and toasting celebrations with champagne !

Has to be better than menopausal - so last generation ! wink

CointreauVersial Fri 06-Jan-12 12:05:35

I had a lovely hot bath this morning, and observed that my legs (which I can't be arsed to shave in the winter) suddenly seemed really really hairy. It was like Planet of the Apes. Is this a menopausal thing? When I was younger I barely needed to shave my legs as the hairs were so fine and pale.

Having said that, I will no doubt appreciate the extra insulating properties, as my circulation slows to zero in the cold weather.

OneHandWrapping Fri 06-Jan-12 12:11:00

<waves from The Other Side>

Personally I think the sex that thinks about sex every 7 seconds is on thin ice when it comes to accusations of being hormonally challenged.

PandorasSocks Fri 06-Jan-12 12:11:27

It's nature's little joke Cointreau. Currently I'm shredding hair everytime I shampoo, but also at the same time my legs are hairier than they ever used to be and I have rogue whiskers sprouting on my chin.

Such a laugh hmm

ProfessorSunny Fri 06-Jan-12 12:18:55

I am 45, mine were heavy for 2-3 years, massively heavy with horrible cramps but then, suddenly, they have gone back to normal. They have stayed regular as clockwork but they are normal/light and no cramps. I assume that is peri menopause?

2BoysTooLoud Fri 06-Jan-12 12:19:59

Ok- I have only flicked through thread - sorry. I'm mid 40s and have been so prone to losing it over xmas. Period started New Year. I have been shouty to my dh [more than usual] intolerant of my 6 year old. Felt angry and felt sad. I could go on...
Last year or so my memory is crap. I forget words in the middle of sentences or say the wrong word. I am often aghast at myself and ashamed of my screeching. My periods have shorter gaps and are different to how they used to be. I would be relieved to think these maybe menopausal symptoms as I honestly have been thinking I am losing my mind.

ProfessorSunny Fri 06-Jan-12 12:20:32

I've had that in the past as well 2boys.

2BoysTooLoud Fri 06-Jan-12 12:26:24

I am glad I am not alone ProfessorSunny. I did apologise to my 6 year old. My dh thinks I am a harridan- and he is right.l

ElectricSoftParade Fri 06-Jan-12 12:31:31

Well, the Post Office lady was very gracious and said she accepted my apology. I gave her a bunch of flowers and scarpered out of the door with tears dripping off my nose hmm.

The original convo went like this:

Me: I would like to send these first class please <reasonable>
PO Lady: Standard first class for this card and it will be 85p for this one <reasonable>
Me: WHAT???? <red mist>
PO Lady: Repeated the above <still reasonable>
Me: That is completely outrageous and I am NOT paying that! <obnoxious>
PO Lady: Well, do you want the envelope back then? <still reasonable>
Me: Bloody hell, the PO is a money-grabbing shyster isn't it? <frothing>
PO Lady: shock
Me: Thank you so much for your help <snarky and unpleasant> <cue me turning to flounce>
PO Lady: Madam, your card? Do you want it back or shall I post it? <good customer services>
Me: Suppose so <sulky>
PO Lady: hmm Thank you for your custom, please call again hmm

She was so nice and I am not. Poor lady probably hates me and I don't blame her sad.

vixsatis Fri 06-Jan-12 12:31:52

Delighted to read that periM is an excuse for procrastination and lack of focus.

Have also rather been enjoying the hot flushes (heating not working)

Shame, though, about the lost libido, forgetfulness and mad bleeding (thank god for wipe clean black leather office chair)

JugglingWithGoldandMyrhh Fri 06-Jan-12 12:37:52

Very funny Electric and vix

- observational humour is always my favourite kind.

< pens letter to medical authorities insisting that wise, witty, and amusing be added to list of symptoms of Peri-menopause >

kerrymumbles Fri 06-Jan-12 13:07:33

My gp told me she's had women come into her surgery saying, "I'm terribly sorry, but I've completely forgotten why I'm here."

She says the memory thing passes after you go through the menopause. Unless, of course, you then develop alzheimers....

the joys

kerrymumbles Fri 06-Jan-12 13:09:19

ESP - she was being passive aggressive


MardyBra Fri 06-Jan-12 14:08:47

"my sex drive hasn't hit the bucket yet though i am generally not "ready to go" at the drop of a hat like I used to be due to dryness. Do we dry up ALTOGETHER at some point?"

For you kerry: peri vagina

ElectricSoftParade Fri 06-Jan-12 15:07:09

grin @ Mardy's peri vagina

CeliaFate Fri 06-Jan-12 15:50:07

The medical term is VAGINAL ATROPHY! Why don't they just call it "Give up, you withered old crone"?

oldsilver Fri 06-Jan-12 21:50:54

grin at the lot of you grin

At the point of being accused of being hormonal by DP - I do tend to reply, "yeah, and I have no control over it - what's your excuse for being an arsehole ...." That tends to go down not well grin <adds also getting quite gobby to list of symptoms>

Today, I used mouthwash - I tried to spit it out into the bin, not the sink which is right at the side of the bin hmm

mardy apparently men fair worse than females on that new research - the sample used being civil servants. "thingy" is my favourite word - it always fills the gap alot at the moment. It is why I keep lots and lots and lots of lists ... my brain no longer functions

BarryStar Fri 06-Jan-12 22:15:14

Helloo old friends and new arrivals, how's tricks?

Managed to get through Christmas and New Year without committing murder (did come perilously close on several occasions though). I'm sooo with you all on the memory thing. Dh said to me the other day that I surprise him sometimes (and he didn't mean it in a good way) with how forgetful I am, but I am very smug and keep reminding him of the wise words of his friend (see one of my earlier posts) and telling him that I'm going through A Very Difficult Time. Not sure how long I can get away with using this as a valid excuse though ...

Crazy, glad you don't have any fibroids in there, and so sorry you didn't get a rabbit cam. Bet you were gutted.

Kerry, Mardy, Vix and everyone else who's sex life is not what it once was, my real-life libido has long since done a runner, but I am having some very pleasant dreams (not, unfortunately, featuring dh as the main event).

I haven't turned vicious yet (well, only at home), but I have been crying at the drop of a hat, gosh I'm so embarrassing. I cried when I picked up the Christmas turkey, I cried when I did a brill job cleaning the shower screen, I cried when the nice lady in John Lewis told me the fan heater I was buying was a good make. Basically, I've spent my time crying.

Anyway, keep well everyone - one day we will come out the other side and look back and laugh.

oldsilver Fri 06-Jan-12 22:36:34

Hiya Barry ... I cried yesterday on watching a rerun of Concorde coming home/her last landing. It's not like it was the first, second or third time I'd seen it - FFS I was there!!

ProfessorSunny Sat 07-Jan-12 16:26:59 ex always said that about me, whether it was coincidence or not but I've been much nicer since he left so I blame him!

JugglingWithGoldandMyrhh Sat 07-Jan-12 17:44:01

LOL at weeping because the lady at John Lewis said you were buying a good make of fan heater BS !

I thought I was bad enough - sending off parcels to loved ones at the Post Office always gets me these days grin
- Waving goodbye to my parents after a Christmas stay at theirs ...

I'm sure many more trivial things have got me too - DS is always laughing at me if I cry at Tracy Beaker !! - what is it with that show !

BarryStar Tue 10-Jan-12 13:53:34

Checking in to report on my latest embarrassing behaviour.

I had to ring to make an orthodontic appointment for ds2 this morning. The receptionist wanted to know who his dentist was:

"Um, I think his name is Tom or Terry something" says I.

Deafening silence from the receptionist.

"Shall I ring you back when I've found out the details?" I asked.

"Yes please" says receptionist.

So, off I go, duly find out dentist's name (neither Tom nor Terry of course) and ring back. I give the receptionist the details. She asks me what my phone number is.

"It's 723, no wait, 732, er 724. I can't remember what my phone number is, I'm having such a bad memory day" (cue embarrassed trilling).

"Do you have a mobile number I can take" says patient receptionist.

"Oh yes, I'll just get it for you" (Cos, of course, I don't know it off by heart).

There follows much fumbling and muttering on my part, and finally

"Could you ring back a little later Mrs Barry when you have the necessary information?"

I still haven't rung back blush. Looking on the bright side, at least I didn't cry. I'm glad to see that I am not alone in the crying oldsilver and Juggling, it's so pathetic!

JugglingWithSnowballs Tue 10-Jan-12 17:39:01

I've forgotten my phone number before, especially when someone suddenly asks for it when I'm on the phone. I've also forgotten my PIN number several times at the till. blush

I'm not good with numbers - I don't know many of my friends' or family's phone numbers. ( Very good with apostrophies though don't you all think ? Impressed, huh ? And yes, I am claiming to have more than one friend ! )

crazynanna Tue 10-Jan-12 21:03:53

I have screamed down the phone when asked to give a phone number "I CAN'T FIND MY MOBILE!!!!" to realise it's in my hand and I am talking into it blush

JugglingWithSnowballs Tue 10-Jan-12 22:18:56

Oh, I haven't actually got the hang of mobiles yet ....
It's the menu thing, and the re-charging issue ... it confuses me blush

< dodders off upstairs to bed >

lettersandcommas Wed 11-Jan-12 10:14:39

I live in fear of forgetting a word mid sentence.
I'm an interpreter. That would be the end of that...

JugglingWithSnowballs Wed 11-Jan-12 12:05:59

I was talking with someone at dd's school regarding applying for a place for ds in a year or two. I said as he plays the trumpet we might put him in for a musical .... ummm ... yes, thanks, audition that's the word ! blush

lettersandcommas Wed 11-Jan-12 12:47:28

It's all delightful, no?
And now double that - I have the opportunity to fuck up it in two languages.

CointreauVersial Wed 11-Jan-12 13:34:39

Look on the bright side.

All that forgetfulness means you get more exercise.

Run upstairs......Now what did I come up here for?? downstairs......Oh yes, I remember upstairs.......What was it again? downstairs.......(smack forehead) upstairs.........Now, where is the damned thing? Oh, I downstairs.......Nope, not upstairs.........<repeat to point of collapse>

oldsilver Wed 11-Jan-12 19:34:54

grin have you been spying on me!! That is my life grin - it is when I go up to the loo, get sidetracked, come downstairs and wonder what I went up for in the first place - then cough, oh I know now ... hmm

crazynanna Wed 11-Jan-12 19:45:29

I turned up to babysit my grandchildren a week early once hmm

crazynanna Thu 12-Jan-12 14:58:47

Ok guys....another symptom has appeared hmm

Usually when just drifting off to sleep,or when asleep and wakes me up.

Like a shiver/tingle all down my body from head to toe. I can literally feel it moving downwards. It makes me grit my teeth. maybe it's post hotflush but usually asleep but don't know.

Anyone had this?

MardyBra Thu 12-Jan-12 15:00:00

"tingle all down my body from head to toe"

Memories of the rabbit cam?

crazynanna Thu 12-Jan-12 15:05:06


Not know I missed out on that small,small pleasure and had to have the normal one pissed off at injustice

MardyBra Thu 12-Jan-12 15:06:00

Sorry forgot what had happened. Another peri memory loss moment.

crazynanna Thu 12-Jan-12 15:07:40


MardyBra Thu 12-Jan-12 15:08:13


crazynanna Thu 12-Jan-12 15:09:08

<hoiks ample bosom>

Mouseface Fri 13-Jan-12 21:31:03

Hello, thank you Sarah smile xx

Okay, so, I've toyed with the idea that I am entering menopause early. I have no medical or past history to go off as both my mother and grandmother had full hysterectomys at 31.

But........... I've always had issues with my plumbing from the age of 17. My 'bits' didn't seem to work like everyone else's did. I felt ill weeks before I came on, I've suffered miscarriages, and the worst time of my adult life, my DH and I lost triplets at 16+5 weeks gestation.

I have always blamed myself for them dying inside me, like my plumbing wasn't up to scratch. Although I had a DD at the age of 23, no complications etc.....

So, to present day, Nemo (some of you will have heard me chatting about him and being the uber proud mummy that I am on here already) will be three in May, I'll be 37 tomorrow.

In the last six months, my periods have gotten longer apart, heavier when they do arrive and the symptoms in between, harder to put up with.

Night sweats.
Day sweats.
Memory loss - milk in the cupboard, iron in the fridge, that sort of thing.
Mood swings high enough to reach the moon and back again.
Sobbing to hysterical laughter.
Sex drive through the roof to I'd rather knit Shreddies with the Nanas.
Food cravings, sweet, sour and odd.
Weight gain, weight loss, constipation like I've never known and the reverse of that too.
Breakouts, flushed skin.

I'm sure that there's more but I can't remember what.


My last period was December 7th. It was heavy (flooding) and so very painful that it would make me loose my breath at times.

So far, in January, nothing. Nada. Nowt has appeared.

I know that 'worrying' about it makes it worse but I'd like to get some sort of hint as to when it might show. 10 days since it was 'due'. I was always 28/30 day cycle.

Not any more.

Any wise words for me? A cuppa and a hug <sniffs> or a partner in crime in the same position as me?

<sits on sofa and waits for the lovely Peris to sit with her>

crazynanna Fri 13-Jan-12 21:41:18

<pats Mouse's hand>

Oooh lovely it does sound suspiciously like the Peri. I started my Peri at 40 (now 48)...and I think I am hitting the real thing <hot flushes Jesus H effing Christ! shock>

It's not funny is it?
But rest can laugh cry fart and sweat right here!

Are you keeping a diary of periods/symptoms? If your periods are making you lose half your blood supply (like me) your doc can give you something to lightn your iron levels.

I had to have a scan for suspect fibroids...all that fucking water I drank and it wasn't even Rabbitcam angry...oh the injustice!

Welcome smile

oldsilver Fri 13-Jan-12 21:51:29

Oh mouse it does all sound familar - apart from the big gaps inbetween envy When you see your GP they will do loads of bloods and probably send you for a scan to rule out fibroids etc. Then as crazy says, there are options.

I think we have discovered that all good things like chocolate/drink/fags are bad for us - even though they keep us happy (ish)

Oh and a quick tip, you can get over the counter Iron tablets cheaper than a prescription - they normally ask if your GP has said you take them but at £3 for 60 it works out cheaper this way!

crazy you are never going to forgive them for that are you grin

Today I forgot where I keep my plates ... only lived here nearly 10 years hmm

Mouseface Fri 13-Jan-12 21:53:01

<falls into Nanna's arms and sobs> blush

Thank you so much for the welcome. I'm not ready to give up my womb but the chances of more babies is so far from real, it would never happen. DH is dead set against it and he's right.

I'm disabled and Nemo is too, we have enough on our plates but I guess I'm sad at lost chances, you know?

Anyway, here I am, and I think you're right, it does read like Peri on paper doesn't it?

Ho hum. smile

If it's okay, I'd like to stay for a while. Would you recommend seeing my GP for blood tests?

I do keep a record of my periods, I have for a few months now. My DD has just started (6 months' ago) and for the first few, we were in sync.

That's gone now and she's upset actually, wanted us to be the same bless her.

Anyway, time for DH and the sofa, I need to snuggle tonight, tomorrow I'll want to strangle him! grin

Night all and thank you so very much for letting me post xxxxxxxxx

alemci Fri 13-Jan-12 22:04:32

I am 44 and my periods are all over the place. I haven't had one for about 6 weeks. I feel miserable and bad tempered much of the time.

I have night sweats which are horrible from time to time and sore itchy breasts. I do get bad cramps and sometimes I get period pains before I start for a few days'.

sometimes I get them 15-21 days apart. It is all over the place.

crazynanna Fri 13-Jan-12 22:05:23

No I am not was gonna be the highlight of my sodding year! angry

crazynanna Fri 13-Jan-12 22:06:30

Does anyone get weird shivers/tingles down the body usually at night? And no...I am not thinking of Rabbitcam!

oldsilver Fri 13-Jan-12 22:26:08

It's not one I recognise crazy I am twitchy though, thought it was that steroid injection wearing off, there's a nerve particularly in my hand that makes my thumb leap all over the place, it's very disconcerting - but no, no full body shudders.

Sounds about right alemci .

crazynanna Fri 13-Jan-12 22:34:17

It's like a shiver that goes from head to toe...usually wakes me from sleeping.

I am sure I read it is a symptom of menopause but not too common....bloody great so I get it!
It's makes me grit my teeth sad

Mouseface Sat 14-Jan-12 18:03:58

So, I've hit 37 today and at 11 days late, there's still no sign of my period. I'm NOT pregnant, I can't be, we use condoms and are very careful.

I think that my cycle is just fucked. Has been for the last six months. sad

I'm off to cook dinner and will be back tomorrow. xx

crazynanna Sat 14-Jan-12 18:31:39

Happy Birthday Mouseface !! smile

6 months is fuck all baby....try 8 years grin

Enjoy dinner....<wish I was 37>

MardyBra Sun 15-Jan-12 00:41:42

Happy (belated) birthday, mouse. Take care of yourself, my lovely.

crazynanna Thu 19-Jan-12 11:50:08

And we're back! grin

Thank Christ for that!

Got to go to work Peris'...will see ya later

<sorry dd for the kicks>>

oldsilver Thu 19-Jan-12 17:40:08

Yay yay yay yay <<wets self>> blush

MardyBra Thu 19-Jan-12 18:07:40

I just thought you might like to know that my iperiod app tells me I am Day 57 of my cycle. <smug> I'm sure I'll pay for it at some point though.

Massive night sweats last night though. Woke up with my hair all wet and sticking to my head.

crazynanna Thu 19-Jan-12 19:41:12

<passes silver tena pad>
Beat you 63 <extra smug>

Was getting the hot flushed last month...put they have disappeared confused
Not that I'm moaning...
Insomnia is not too good atm....I hate my broken sleep...hate it.

But with the Iron tabs <oh Lordy the wind!!!shock> and the lack of needinga bloodtransfusion period...I feel not too bad wink

Best shut up before it comes to bite me in my quite ample these days arse.

CeliaFate Thu 19-Jan-12 19:46:45

I went 68 days without a period, then had the one from hell. No pain or warning it was going to happen. Thank God I was at home and didn't have to go out! Grim.

oldsilver Thu 19-Jan-12 19:58:17

My last one was only 5 days long shock What the jiminy cricket was that all about hmm Still very jealous of you lot having months inbetween as opposed to just a 16 day gap - my time will come.

Glad the Iron tabs are working crazy

I am having massive night sweats but not sure if that is down to the fact I have a massive COLD and am feeling a bit sorry for myself too - grrrrrr. And DP is actually being far too nice (bit of a 180) so I can't have a proper grumble either!

MardyBra Thu 19-Jan-12 20:31:12

olds my cycle is anything from 17 days to 57 (and counting). I'd been on a 22(ish) day cycle for years to this is very unusual.

MardyBra Thu 19-Jan-12 20:34:30

Just gone back through my app and the cycles are:



Glad I didn't go on the mirena coil as the GP wanted me to, as I would be putting the longer cycles down to that rather than my advancing old age.

crazynanna Thu 19-Jan-12 20:39:35

Mardy it was my 16/17 dayers that pricked my GP's spidersenses to start investigating me for fibroids. She reckons they were not periods...but 'mid-cycle bleeding'...and I do remember a couple of thoses short months...I didn't really get any symptoms...but then I don't always do confused

CointreauVersial Thu 19-Jan-12 21:29:36

I have got my life back since going on Mercilon. Everything is somehow more on an even keel. I don't feel like killing DH, and I can actually leave the house during my period.

Maryz Thu 19-Jan-12 21:59:27

Hey, is this the infamous peri thread resuscitated from chat?

I've been looking for you lot for a while (can't stay now, but will catch up and read it all tomorrow).

I'm almost 50, and my periods, if anything are getting heavier sad. I wish they would just stop.

crazynanna Thu 19-Jan-12 22:05:06

Welcome Maryz ...welcome to the sweat room wink
Make sure you come back...we will investigate your cycles and ensure you know all that is happening to you is ok really smile

Mouseface Fri 20-Jan-12 09:20:18

<rushes in waving pom-poms>

<realises her TenaLady is not secure and stops waving>

<makes brews and leaves hot buttered toast out with a selection of jams and marmalade>

Hello!!! I am so glad this is back up and running. Still no sign of a period here so I'm just going to forget this month. In fact, I'm just going to get on with life and deal with whatever it throws at me as and when.

Can one of you remind me of that when I have a meltdown in a few months! grin

I'm going to keep a track of my 'cycle' hmm from my last period so I can see if there is a pattern. Looking at the lovely Mardy's cycle, there isn't likely to be a pattern is there?

<waves to Mardy xx>

Thank you also for my Birthday wishes smile.

Off to Nursery with Nemo in a while to sweat my way through the two hour session. Even outside, I need to get my coat off for fear of expiration!

Well done for getting the thread back BTW smile xx

PostBellumBugsy Fri 20-Jan-12 09:26:56

Have any of you tried natural progesterone cream? I think it is amazing stuff.
I read "What your doctor won't tell you about tell you about premenopause" and have been a convert ever since.
I would recommend both the book & the cream. (And I'm not the author of the book, and I don't have shares in the cream company either!!! grin )

JugglingWithSnowballs Fri 20-Jan-12 09:34:48

Hi folks ! What a lovely warm thread this is - thanks for the tea and toast Mouseface smile
Since Christmas I've gone all spotty around my chin - back to the delights of teenage breakouts anyone ?
Can you get good skin coloured concealer that will help calm the area and be good for your skin at the same time ? If not, someone should come up with one !
Just wondering if there are some new good products since I last needed them 30 odd years ago ( will be 47 shock next month )

diddl Fri 20-Jan-12 10:38:39

Just over a year ago I had a period, before that it had been a year & before that they had been regular/normal.

Is that a usual scenario?

Mouseface Fri 20-Jan-12 13:06:32

diddl - can I ask if you are using any form of hormonal contraceptive? I can't use them at all as they just do not agree with me, not in the argumentative way wink, in the turning me into some other person! I could never work out when my period would arrive. Have you seen your GP about the absence of them?

Juggling - re a good concealer, I love YSL touche eclat pen, it has light reflecting pigments in and covers well without showing up lines, wrinkles, or making your pores look gigantic! It depends on your budget. Anything that has light reflecting pigments in will help, try Boots No7 range, they might do one.

Don't sleep in it though, clean your breakouts each night with a good cleansing treatment that won't dry the area out so that the concealer doesn't look baked on IYSWIM.

You could try tea-tree cream at night to help clear them up gently smile

diddl Fri 20-Jan-12 13:11:53

No, I´m not-haven´t done for about 10 yrs.

No, haven´t been to GP.

I knew that I wasn´t pregnant-also getting hot flushes, so assumed perimenopause & got on with it!
(was mid 40s at the time)

crazynanna Fri 20-Jan-12 13:44:20

I think they say (docs) that it is either a clear year or is it 2 clear years....of period free to be actually in or through the menopause.but how old are you diddl?

diddl Fri 20-Jan-12 13:49:26

Nearer 50 than anything elsegrin

CointreauVersial Fri 20-Jan-12 13:49:31

grin at Juggling saying this is a "warm thread". I have visions of one of crazynanna's hot flushes radiating from the PC screen.

Can't help on the concealer, I'm afraid - spots in the one inconvenience nature hasn't yet thrown at me.

Hi Maryz <waves>

crazynanna Fri 20-Jan-12 14:36:51

Christ on a bike those hot flushes are something else! shock

mojitomania Fri 20-Jan-12 15:05:23

Hi to all a newbie here (not to MN) but to this thread.

I'm 49 now and do all the irregular bleeding stuff, dropping stuff, forgetting stuff, wanting to kill a lot being a bit snappy stuff, not much of libido stuff.

This may sound a bit silly, but can hot flushes start in your stomach? My face doesn't get hot, my belly sweats confused

crazynanna Fri 20-Jan-12 15:08:24

Welcome mojitomania smile

I think you can get hot anywhere. I also get weird cold tingling/shiver things all down my body usually at night's great isn't it? hmm grin

mojitomania Fri 20-Jan-12 15:13:25

Thanks crazynanna. Symptoms, symptoms, a new one pops up practically every day!

Oh and I lost my car last week, reported it missing to police and insurance, found it on Monday blush

mojitomania Fri 20-Jan-12 15:15:31

- meant, reported it stolen - see!!! crap even comes out of my fingers now let alone my mouth.

JugglingWithSnowballs Fri 20-Jan-12 15:15:39

HaHaHa moji grin

- sorry to laugh blush

crazynanna Fri 20-Jan-12 15:15:56


I forgot my address at the Argos counter a few months ago!
and when dd called me to get a phone number I had stored ran around the house yelling "Where's my phone!!!" to be told I was actually speaking on it blush

MardyBra Fri 20-Jan-12 15:21:43

Genuinely lol'd at mojito's car.

mojitomania Fri 20-Jan-12 15:22:38

Don't ever say sorry for laughing Juggling, it's the only thing keeping me sane at the mo.

I walked out of work yesterday, got to the car (15 min walk away), thought shit, haven't got my glasses on so won't be able to see price tags as was taking DS to get camping stuff, "sort of ran" all the way back to get them, looked at reflection in works glass door panel and where were they!!

YES, on my frigging head. grin

JugglingWithSnowballs Fri 20-Jan-12 15:26:58

Just wanted to make sure you knew I was laughing with you moji (not at IYSWIM )

- How did that happen ?
- Where was the car ?

mojitomania Fri 20-Jan-12 15:35:29

I drove to sainsburys last Wednesday, was in a daze as usual and must have thought I'd walked, so toddled off home. Went to get into it next day to go to work. I walked up and down my street, even up and down a couple of other streets, it was nowhere to be seen. I seriously thought it had been pinch so reported it to all and sundry.

On Monday, I popped to sainsbury's to get some milk, saw a car that looked just like mine, walked over to it and, yep it WAS mine.

Told a little white lie to police etc. and said I'd found it, it didn't have much petrol in it so theives must have dumped it there wink

That's not a bad lie is it?

JugglingWithSnowballs Fri 20-Jan-12 15:39:58

No, that's a genius lie moji

I once came out of work (I was working in a school at the time) and my car had disappeared. It was a very weird experience.

< wonders if telling slightly random anecdotes is also a feature of the Peri ? smile >

mojitomania Fri 20-Jan-12 15:47:51

Oh it's deffo a sign juggling

<nods head in agreement>

I'm practically the one off the advert that eats the packet grin

LurcioLovesFrankie Fri 20-Jan-12 17:07:59

Can I join the peri quiche, please? I'm 46, periods getting closer together, hot at night, insomnia, and appear to have mislaid my libido somewhere down the back of the sofa (though I think someone up thread said there was some hope I might find it when this whole miserable episode is over).

JugglingWithSnowballs Fri 20-Jan-12 17:12:41

Hi Lurcio !

Yeh, it's weird not knowing if any of the stuff is here to stay (down hill from now on sort of thing !) or is just a passing phase.

Could be any of the symptoms really ... but especially thinking of the stuff that makes you feel a bit old like forgetting stuff, feeling tired, going off sex, getting cantankerous etc. etc.

pinkteddy Fri 20-Jan-12 17:26:23

Hello, can I join too please? I am ahem mid 40s, periods have been going a bit awry for a while now (previously were every 30 days exactly), terrible night sweats and memory loss. I even when to the dr in tears convinced I had early onset alzheimers its so bad!

crazynanna Fri 20-Jan-12 17:30:01

Does anyone else go through their full qouta of dcs' names until they get to the right one? hmm

LugholesTheInvisible Fri 20-Jan-12 17:31:38

Hello, may I pop in with my symptoms and ask if you think I qualify to join you?

Am 42 and periods have been over the place (literally on occasion blush) for about a year now. Completely irregular - can be anything from 2wks to 6wks apart.

One month ridiculously light and will last 2 or 3 days. The next month flooding, literally.

Huge clots - awful and hugely embarrassing if you go to the loo to change, don't notice that a stray clot is clinging to your trousers and you smear it all over the white plastic chair you are sitting on in a packed conference! Oh the shame...

Huge, over the top, temper tantrums and shaking with rage at the most stupid things (dh needs to hide the knives). Weepy ALL the time - cannot watch those dancing shows on the telly as they render me hysterical. Cannot sing along to the radio in the car as end up sobbing.

Agony boobs.

BUT no heat, and strangely my libido has returned with a vengeance!

What do you think? Do you think this is peri-menopause?

crazynanna Fri 20-Jan-12 17:34:21

Oh yy the peri is upon you wink

Wait till you get the dreams about Geronimo taking you as his white squaw

MardyBra Fri 20-Jan-12 17:37:50

Lugholes - I take tranexamic acid for blood clots. I put up with them for ages (including shame on a plane incident when strapped in for landing) without realising there were things that could be done. Or some docs also
recommend mirena coil.

The clotting problem hasn't disappeared completely but is much more manageable.

LugholesTheInvisible Fri 20-Jan-12 17:44:59

oh thank you nanna and mardy! So I'm not going mad and imagining it all? Feel too young for all this sad

Nanna, I am having rather x-rated dreams lately... blush Honestly my hormones are like a teen's at the moment! Dh can't believe his luck...

Right, will get myself down the docs and get tranexamic acid. Thanks for that mardy.

Mouseface Fri 20-Jan-12 19:33:06

Evening smile

Today's embarrassing moments have so far been -

Having to re-write this post three times to get it to make sense.

Putting the electric kettle on the hob and then coming back to it cursing it for not boiling. Luckily, I didn't light the gas.

Putting milk in the detergent drawer of the washer instead of Comfort.

Putting the dry washing back into the washing machine forgetting that it was already clean because it was sat on top of the dryer to be folded, I forgot and washed it again.

Twenty five, no, wait, twenty six hot flashes.

Walking into three separate rooms and forgetting WTAF I went in there for.

Repeating myself to DH about the same thing on more than one occasion.

Not making it to the toilet in time and wetting myself a little blush

Does anyone else walk around in a daze trying to remember stuff? Even though only seconds ago, you knew what was on your mind?

Has anyone's appetite changed? Or anything else with food? I've been craving sweet stuff, and normally I'm a cheese addict (hence the NN!) grin

mojitomania Fri 20-Jan-12 20:54:47

Good evening everyone.

Nice to meet all the newbies like me too. Had to type that instead of using names coz can't cope with more than one at a time smile

As for changing in apetites mouse like you, I used to be a savoury girl and never entertained sweet stuff really until a couple of months ago, now I'm forever dipping in the naughty cupboard and stuffing mini milky ways etc. in my gob confused

I actually managed to get home in one piece tonight without losing anything! and am very impressed with myself BUT as from yesterday I'm either snapping, growling, simpering or stoney silent. DP said to me last night you've got that look of mania about you, it's that time again isn't it, umm yep but the only thing is I never know when the blood will flow these days <from my nether regions by the way and not the people around me, i hope> this could go on for 3 weeks!!! sad

LurcioLovesFrankie Fri 20-Jan-12 21:02:56

If only I were having dreams about being Geronimo's white squaw. Perhaps my missing libido is having them in its new abode down the back of the sofa. If it ever comes out I will ask it.

changeforthebetter Sat 21-Jan-12 07:56:16

Hi - oh god, a lot of this sounds awfully familiar. FFS I am supposed to be making a new start without X and a new career to boot. In fact, I am just going to be a lump of vague but raging hormones sad. My kids are still little so I am permanently knackered anyway. Have made a GP appointment but not sure what she can do for me.

Nice to hear I am not alone though!

sorry to gate crash but does anyone know if having tubes tied can cause perimenopause?
I had mine tied after having dd which was 2 and a half years ago. She was bf until recently but have only had about 3 periods in that time. The last was very weird with several days of just spotting then full on tummy griping awfulness and ended lasting about 10 days all up!!!
I have been prone to weight gain for the first time ever in my life and am both tired and forgetful. I am 39 so could it be peri?

JugglingWithSnowballs Sat 21-Jan-12 09:10:54

Definitely not a gatecrash yawning if you want to join thread to wonder if your symptoms could be the Peri ! That's what most people have wandered on here for !
Sorry you've had some horrible symptoms. I'd think from those and your NN you could well be right !
But I don't specifically whether having tubes tied can make it all happen earlier.
Perhaps someone else will be along in a mo with a more informed opinion on that.

LugholesTheInvisible Sat 21-Jan-12 09:25:23

Good grief, never connected my brain melting with the peri. Have four dds and go through all their names to get to the right one. Often I can't be bothered and just stay with the first name that comes to mind.

NO concentration. Constantly walk to rooms to get things then have forgotten what it was by the time I am there. Go to the shop to buy something, buy loads of other stuff and get home to find I don't have the thing I wanted.

Went to fill the car with petrol at the 'cards only' pump last week. I specifically chose that one as I couldn't be bothered to walk to the kiosk. Got out, stuck the hose in the car and nothing came out. Waited for ages and ages pointedly glaring at the kiosk staff so they would activate the pump. After ages I got mad, jumped in the car and drove to another pump as decided that one was broken. Realised at the next pump I hadn't put my bank card in at the first one. Which was why no petrol came out. Bloke at the next pump had seen it all and was having a right laugh blush

Mouseface Sat 21-Jan-12 09:48:19

Do you think we should all have some sort of homing device fitted so if found wandering around the house looking for what it is we've forgotten, we can be found?

Seriously, I have never felt so stupid and embarrassed in my life, as I have in recent months following episodes of complete mind blanks.

I've even gone shopping with a list ON MY HAND and STILL forgotten things from it. blush

I think this thread is going to be a fabulous place for us all to come and feel safe, IYSWIM, that we're not alone in this female mind fuckery that causes hormental attacks!

Well, as long as we can remember what it is that we can here for wink

Morning all xx

LugholesTheInvisible Sat 21-Jan-12 10:47:59

Good thinking! I've sometimes decided to drive somewhere and ended up at our office or the girls' dance school instead of where I was meant to be going. I suspect there is an evil peri gremlin that takes over the car.

I think a homing device is a necessity!

Now what was I going to do? <wanders off aimlessly>

diddl Sat 21-Jan-12 11:26:19

I haven´t gone to the wrong place yet, but I frequently walk only from one room to another, & when I get there I can´t remember what I went there forblush

Question: if I really am peri-menopausal, will it do me any harm to ignore it and stay in denial for a while?

Serious question! It's just that I do have many of the symptoms listed over this thread, but I can cope, of sorts. Do I really need to get hormone levels tested or whatever? What difference would it make? And it's just one more thing to deal with, isn't it?

Fwiw, I'm 43, am having crazy gushing heavy periods unlike any I previously had, cycle length is shorter and more random.

Please tell me to ignore this for at least another 5 years!

crazynanna Sat 21-Jan-12 11:46:54

If you can handle it...then go with the flow <no pun intended>

You can get help for the gushy period...but you don't have to if you feel it's under your control so to speak

What help is there for gushy periods? Sorry, I've not read the whole thread.

Maryz Sat 21-Jan-12 12:21:14

I have been slowly working my way through this thread and alternatively laughing in sympathy and feeling more and more depressed.

In my case my periods are still regular. I have had a period every fucking 28 days on the button since I was 13, and I am now 49. I had/have bad endometriosis, put up with 12 years of infertility (during which we adopted ds1 and dd) and then got pregnant (amazingly) at the age of 36. The nine months of being pregnant and not having periods was great, but they started back with a vengeance when ds2 was less than 3 months old, despite ebf.

Surely after very heavy periods for 36 years I must be running out of blood angry?

The reason I'm posting here is they have got frighteningly heavy recently - golf-ball sized clots, flooding, feeling faint, unable to go out for the first couple of days.

Coupled with exhaustion, depression, forgetfulness, feeling hot and cold (gp is currently investigation possible thyroid issues and I'm finally on ad's).

So, do I qualify to join? And is there any treatment for flooding (apart from Mirena - I'm not having a Mirena fitted at the age of fucking 49 shock) and when will they fucking cunting things just stop.

<lowers tone of thread>

JugglingWithSnowballs Sat 21-Jan-12 12:30:11

Dear Maryz,

Am just thinking surely the end (of all this hassle) is surely in sight for you.
Lovely to hear about your 3 DDCs ( sorry to hear about your painful experience of infertility )
I feel they almost !! make the whole thing worth putting up with for 40 odd years grin

crazynanna Sat 21-Jan-12 12:32:43

Wow Mary what a wonderful surprise your baby smile Nature sure has it's good bits for sure.

My GP has given me Tranexamic Acid for my slaughtered pig periods and they work well. Mine are prescribed 4 times a day over 4 days per cycle...quite a lot so they work. I don't want the Mirena and she offered me that she gave me these.

Couple with my massive clotty bleeds,and often 17 day cycles and the urine frequency (which btw are all Peri symptoms too),she sent me for a scan as she suspected fibroids. The scan showed no fibroids but early muscle changes for fibroids so I have an appt for the Gynae guys in Feb so see what they say.

Incidently I am day 66 and no period (hoorah) but I know I am going to pay soon.

Maryz Sat 21-Jan-12 12:38:39

Oh, yes urine frequency (thank god for Tena in between periods) hmm. I must ask the gp next time I see her.

I hadn't been to a gp for years, so am only mentioning one thing per visit atm.

I must say, I would have been happy to have the whole lot whipped out at the age of 40, and in some ways wish I had. I hope they stop soon.

(atm dd and I are in sync, so dh dreads the moods)

JugglingWithSnowballs Sat 21-Jan-12 12:42:06

BTW Good question I thought FannyPriceless - in that if you're pretty sure you have some peri symptoms do you have to do anything about it/ tell your GP ?

I would think answer has to be that it's a natural stage in life and so if you are not overly troubled by symptoms/ worried about them or their possible cause - if you're coping well in other words, then surely just carry on ... and maybe talk with friends (like on here smile) and just be a bit kind to yourself !

CointreauVersial Sat 21-Jan-12 14:57:50

Maryz, Fanny - I went to the GP six months ago about my increasingly random and hideously heavy periods. We tried Cerazette first, which is a mini-pill; I was warned it might cause "break-through bleeding" - ha! More-or-less contant period, you mean. And I put weight on.

Mirena would have given me the same result, apparently, as it is progesterone-only too. Bugger that.

Then she suggested Mercilon, which is a regular pill. Aaaahhhh! Perfect. I have now been on it for three months, and I feel I have returned to normality - the flooding and clotting has stopped and I am not remotely moody. It just seems to "suit" me.

The only thing it didn't bring back was my libido, so I read with interest about the possibility of it returning with a vengeance at some point (Geronimo!!). But I fear DH will have given up all hope by then.

LugholesTheInvisible Sat 21-Jan-12 16:06:31

maryz dd1, dd2 and I all synch our periods. Is a week of pure, shrieking, tantrumming, sobbing hell. Dd3 is 13 this year and her hormones are all over the place so is sure to join the madness soon.

I think dh may consider moving into the garage during totm. It may be safer for him.

Cointreau don't give up hope of your libido returning. Is a complete miracle in my case! Just wondering how long it will last...

Oh and I think I must be giving off rampant vibes or something - have never been chatted up so much by random blokes in my entire life! Get followed around every time I go to the supermarket. Happened in B&Q this afternoon! Sales assistant pounced on me (not literally thank goodness) the second I walked in the store, insisted on getting the things I wanted and carrying them to the checkout for me even though I didn't ask and was well able to do it myself. Was like a lapdog. Dd1 was laughing her head off behind him.

Then some random bloke approached my mum at a funeral we were at on Thur and asked if I was married and said I was a 'lovely looking girl'. Am honestly no different to how I was before and never used to get any attention. Ever! Bit unnerving.

Weird peri symptom? Anyone else had this?

ameliagrey Sat 21-Jan-12 16:42:09

They probably think you remimd them of their mum and are trying to look after you grin

LugholesTheInvisible Sat 21-Jan-12 16:48:47

grin grin never thought of that! <waaaiiil!>

Nah can't be. My bil, who I have known for 20 years, and hasn't looked squint at me up to now, has suddenly taken to telling me every time he sees me that I'm a very attractive woman...

Now I am not gorgeous, passable at best. I haven't had plastic surgery or a boob job. I look exactly the same as before, so it can only be the raging hormones wafting around me. Either that or they are all needing their eyesight tested or drunk.

It's a peri symptom I tell you! I am dumbfounded but its a nice side effect grin

JugglingWithSnowballs Sat 21-Jan-12 17:21:17

Perhaps it's the confidence Lugholes

- amidst all the trauma and tiredness there seems to be a lot of wit, wisdom, and confidence on this thread. Perhaps that's what's drawing them in ! smile

LugholesTheInvisible Sat 21-Jan-12 18:10:57

I agree, here is definitely a massive amount of wit and confidence on this thread. It's lovely!

That's funny you should say that about confidence juggling. I definitely feel more confident in myself these days. Ever since I turned 40. Care much less than I used to what people think of me and just feel happier and more secure in my own skin and where I am in life.

Perhaps it's just an age thing. Think I am happier and more content now than I've ever been. Apart from totm of course. It ALL changes at totm...

oftenhungry Sun 22-Jan-12 00:29:03

Mouseface: I have been seriously concerned that I have early alzheimers. I can't even remember my memory lapses, though I do remember that they have been spectacularly bad. The going in and out of room thing is exhausting, as is the rewashing of clothes/resetting washing machine/putting electric kettle on hob (and lighting it, unfortunately). constantly making pasta sauce, walking out of room and only returning when the kitchen has filled with smoke and sauce burnt black to bottom of pan.
moustache growing (please can someone answer my post about this in general health)
thickening round the middle (oh to my 22 inch waist...)
legs that weld together from knee to crotch.
headaches. HEADACHES. ALL THE TIME (anyone else got them?).
ridiculously light two day periods, preceded by two weeks of hellish PMT: bloated, fat, wobbly, moody, sad, achey, teary. (they are very regular though)
frizzy (head) hair.
time to join you all???
I am 46...

oftenhungry Sun 22-Jan-12 00:31:08

oh yes. i should put this in small print. drying up. I used to have very obvious signs of ovulation. really obvious (I was very atune to it as I had IUI and IVF to conceive and had to monitor myself on the unmedicated cycles...). Now. Oh dear. Nary a... well... it's not the same down there. I have begun to think about lubricant. Or at least I would seriously had I a partner. which I don't.

Foxinsocks Sun 22-Jan-12 06:26:15

I am coming up to 40 but there's a history of early menopause in my family. I had a hormone blood test for something else and I have been peri menopausal for a while it seems grin

My skin has become hideous, I was weeing so much in the night I did a home test for diabetes blush, I'm getting that classic fat round the middle.

I have never been that broody but can see why women have these late babies now - feels like last chance saloon!

(I also have to send emails to myself to remember things or I never remember. Especially if I hide something. I even find myself desperately trying to remember to write a reminder where something is and thinking nah, I won't need a reminder and a day later thinking doh! I hve no idea where it is fgs!)

LugholesTheInvisible Sun 22-Jan-12 10:55:41

Oh yes, thickening around the middle. Isn't good.

I have double booked people comning round today AGAIN! I do it all the time. write stuff on the calendar, forget to look at it and double book something else. Sick of it.

Got to go phone my sis and tell her not to come now.

Don't get headaches, or the weeing thing. But is early days so no doubt all sorts of lovely new symptoms are heading this way.

Maryz Sun 22-Jan-12 11:01:22

I can never find my diary.

Or my lists blush.

crazynanna Sun 22-Jan-12 11:04:50

Day 66 and counting.....

Twat this next one is going to be a bloodbath,isn't it hmm

LugholesTheInvisible Sun 22-Jan-12 11:08:55

I know where my diary is. I just never remember to write in it. And would remember to check it anyway. Might as well chuck it out!

I've just realised I get whooshy (technical term) hot feelings when I am in bed sometimes. But they only last seconds so don't get sweaty or anything. Is a really weird feeling. How long do hot flushes last? Can they last only seconds or am I creating more symptoms in sympathy?

LugholesTheInvisible Sun 22-Jan-12 11:11:20

Wouldn't remember to check it. Must preview.

nanna oh dear. Is this the longest you have gone?

Maryz Sun 22-Jan-12 11:17:05

Maybe there won't be a next one cn [hopeful]

crazynanna Sun 22-Jan-12 11:31:13

Yes the longest...last record was 45.

Also...has loads of hot flushes this last couple of months like never before so wondering if I am hitting the real thing now and coming out of the peri

diddl Sun 22-Jan-12 11:54:18

Is weeing more in the night a sign of menopause?

I often go twice now-never less than, once!

nanna-so far (touching wood & fingers crossed) I haven´t had a blood bath.

I was regular-then had a couple of times when I missed one & the next one was like a "double" period-in that it went on for a while, but no flooding.

Then nothing for a year, followed by a normal period, & since then nothing for 15 months.

crazynanna Sun 22-Jan-12 12:03:09

diddl it does sound like you are in the menopause as opposed to the Peri. Have you had some blood hormone levels done? Might be worth it.

And yes....I can piss for England!

LugholesTheInvisible Sun 22-Jan-12 12:32:47

Oh for the day when they stop completely...

crazynanna Sun 22-Jan-12 12:42:26

Amen Lugholes

JugglingWithSnowballs Sun 22-Jan-12 12:47:01

So, just interested, what would be the difference between the Peri and the menopause ? I kind of know the menopause is when they finally stop ( sounds OK to me ! ) but how do you know when that's happened ? Am I right in thinking you can boast (HaHa) you've hit the menopause after a year with diddly squat ( now't happening ) ?

crazynanna Sun 22-Jan-12 13:06:41

Yes I think that's basically it Juggling...the Peri is the run up to the biggie with all it's glorious symptoms and can last for up to 10 yrs.

I cannot remember if it is 1 or 2 years period free when deemed as being through or is it in? the menopause.

JugglingWithSnowballs Sun 22-Jan-12 13:14:48

Mine's not lasting ten years !

< stamps feet in full Peri tantrum angry ! >

As I'm 47 next month I'm hoping for a couple of years max !

< Sings ( note rapid mood swing) "You may say I'm a dreamer, but I'm not the only one !" >

crazynanna Sun 22-Jan-12 13:17:34


I'm 48 and mine started at 40 but didn't realise it at the time. Looking back...yep it was the start.

Maryz Sun 22-Jan-12 13:26:40

Mine's not lasting 10 years shock.

I'll be fucking 60.

This is horrible angry

ameliagrey Sun 22-Jan-12 14:22:11

Ladies- my mum was still having flushes in her 70s and this is quite common.

ameliagrey Sun 22-Jan-12 14:24:35

crazy- you are in meno if you have not had a period for 1 year if you are under 50, and 2 years if you are over 50.

That is the start of meno- not the end.

Many women find their meno symptoms kick in then even if they have had a really easy ride during peri.

There has been a lot of publicity in the press not too long ago, saying that the idea that the bad meno symptoms only last 2-5 years is rubbish- many women have them for much longer.

Some not at all though!

LugholesTheInvisible Sun 22-Jan-12 14:37:32

Hot flushes in the 70s? 30 years of this crap? Kill me now!

juggling grin

bigTillyMint Sun 22-Jan-12 15:05:47

OMG, 70's?

My friend has not had a period for just over a year. She turned 50 in October. She had virtually no symptoms envy, but amelia, does that mean she might still get symptoms in the future?

I have been on HRT for about 7months now and all symptoms (other than PMT which I have always had very badly) seem to have stopped, and my libido is back to where it was before smile

ameliagrey Sun 22-Jan-12 17:19:55

bigtilly Don't know about your friend smile
Everyone's hormones are different. Some people find that diseases and symptoms connected to meno- prolapse, weak bladder, osteoporosis, dry vagina....need i go on smile begin or get worse after their final period, even if they had no peri symptoms like flushing etc.

If anyone is sceptical about symptoms lasting beyond mid 50s etc- just google. Big feature was out about 3 months back- might have been publsied in BMJ but was certainly picked up byt D Mail or similar.

My mother says she was talking to the nurse at her drs to tell her she still has flushes- and she is 84.

My gynae has evidently given HRT to a 90 yr old- risky, but who cares at that age if it helped- expect that was her feeling!

Mouseface Sun 22-Jan-12 19:14:08

Evening all smile

I spoke to my mum about how things are with me currently, she had her womb removed at 31, then one ovary and then the other a few years later.

She said that the best thing ever to happen to her was to go on HRT. She can no longer take it due to other health problems but she said that she finally felt well, for the first time in over a decade when her GP prescribed that for her.

Like me, she's never been able to use synthetic hormone contraception or treatments so was initially worried about using the HRT. However, she said that the day the GP told her she could no longer take it was pure hell for her.

Soon after stopping the sweats began, the memory loss, etc etc etc......

Something I noticed today was that if I'm talking and someone says a word, I will say that word instead of the one I meant!

So, I'd say - "Mum, do you fancy a door stop" instead of coffee because I heard the word door stop. I do it when writing too, I write the word I hear instead of the word I mean. blush

It can be very upsetting to feel so confused all of the time. Last night we were at a 60th and all I could think about was please don't leak. I was wearing an evening dress and body stocking thing, you know, one of those 'I'm slim, honest' suits grin

I was scared that I'd laugh and leak. I couldn't wear a pad as the suit was crotch-less shock so that you go to the loo without undressing. I managed it but five years ago, that would never have crossed my mind.

Mother Nature can be a cruel lady at times. I'm now 3 weeks late but have the very first symptoms of a period arriving... I have sore boobs. And a few twinges. I used to get such sore breasts that I'd have to wear two bras (I'm 32h so rather big) to stop them jiggling because of the pain.

Plus, I'd get 'wombache' two weeks before my period would arrive so I knew I was ovulating. I've had nothing for the last 3 months.

Sorry for waffling on, I just feel that I need to get it out and down in black and white so that I can come to terms with the fact that my body is changing and that I can't stop it so need to go with the flow wink (stolen from a poster up thread).

Amelia - sorry to ask and ignore if you like but have you gone through 'the change' or are you in mid change? Just wondered if you could give me any pointers, or anyone else?

I'm going to get some bloods done, will that tell me anything??

<waves to Maryz smile>

bigTillyMint Sun 22-Jan-12 19:22:09

mouseface, I do that - forgetting the word or saying/writing the wrong one. SO does my friend who hasn't had a period for a year grin
And I had all that - symptoms of an oncoming period, gushing, nightsweats, etc. But the worst was my black moods, especially with a hormonal DD - awful.

When I had my bloods done it showed that my hormones were in the peri-meno stage, and that I was very anaemic - not surprising with all that gushing! The HRT has really helped, but I know not everyone can take it.

Maryz Sun 22-Jan-12 19:55:01

Mouseface, reading that makes me think that my mum went straight from menopause to early stages of Alzeimer's hmm. She has been forgetting odd words for 30 years.

However, to be fair, she has aged well - still very fit and healthy at 78, still playing golf, doing crosswords, a bit deaf but otherwise fine.

She started her menopause at 50 and thought it was great - no more periods. She refused HRT (back then, she reckoned there wasn't enough evidence about it and we have a family history of breast cancer. I've had a couple of benign lumps removed so don't want to go down the hormone route.

If someone offered to remove the lot for me (ovaries, uterus, the lot) I'd jump at the chance.

I couldn't go out with crotchless pants - I have huge admiration for anyone who can do that grin.

Mouseface Sun 22-Jan-12 20:02:29

Maryz - you can have an elective hysterectomy. Speak to your GP. My mum had such horrific periods, she asked her GP and he agreed it was for the best. The only problem was that she had hers in stages..... and then her cervix removed due to cancer, as well as lumps from her breasts... she has really been through the mill sad and with breast cancer running in our family, I wouldn't want HRT either.

I NEVER usually were crotchless pants, I didn't realise until I put it on! grin

Mouseface Sun 22-Jan-12 20:04:47

Right, Nemo is on his last feed of the day (he's poorly again so has lost two out of three feeds today sad) so I'm going to bid you goodnight whilst I attach his pump.

I hope that the night sweats are gentle and few tonight, it's simply unbearable at times.

Night all xx

JugglingWithSnowballs Sun 22-Jan-12 20:08:00

Ooh, Mouseface, much love to you and Nemo.
Hope you both have a peaceful night x

Maryz Sun 22-Jan-12 20:08:05

I think things are a little different here Mouse (Ireland). I think voluntarily having a hysterectomy is akin to murder on the scale of sinfulness grin. I would have to go private and pay I think, as I can't actually prove how awful my periods are.

I'm going for blood tests next week - anaemia/thyroid/diabetes (also runs in family) so if I'm anaemic I might have a leg to stand on.

It's just so expensive to go to the GP here, I've been putting things off.

Maryz Sun 22-Jan-12 20:08:37

Sorry, cross-posts. Night, hope tomorrow is better.

bigTillyMint Sun 22-Jan-12 20:19:55

Maryz, shock and sad that you have to avoid going to the GP as it is so expensive - makes one grateful for the NHS.

Maryz Sun 22-Jan-12 20:23:22

Yes, it's 60 euro a go.

And then drugs on top of that. 175 euro to see the ent consultant I have to see, and 100 for blood tests.

I can't afford it all in one week, so I'll have to spread it out.

bigTillyMint Sun 22-Jan-12 20:34:18

shock Such a lot of money.

What happens if you are on minimum wage or benefits?

MardyBra Mon 23-Jan-12 00:09:18

crazynanna "Day 66 and counting....."

Day 61 here. I wonder which of our wombs will explode first! grin

crazynanna Mon 23-Jan-12 08:41:07


We could make it into one of those
Japanese endurance games Mardy

Adversecamber Mon 23-Jan-12 12:54:17

I haven't checked in for a while, longer than I thought but mind is playing up. In last couple of months I had one occurence of rage that actually scared me ( and also DH) and have now taken to spotting between periods sometimes and have gone off sex.

The worst of it is my sleeping patterns are up shit creek, I keep waking up between 4 and 5 in the morning.

RavenVonChaos Mon 23-Jan-12 13:13:14

Hi Ladies can i join in for some moral support? I am 45 and three weeks late for my period - have the most horrendous moods and can't be arsed to do anything. In fact have had a week off work, and am now on the brink of quitting my degree. I need a prolapse operation, but cant be arsed with that either. Just want to sit and eat and watch crap tv. Help! think this is the big menopause - but have no clue what I should be doing. Do you think a blood test is a good idea?

bigTillyMint Mon 23-Jan-12 13:31:01

Yes - you should go and see your GP and tell them how you are feeling, and get them to sort out the prolapse too! You don't want to spend the rest of your days feeling like this!

Mouseface Mon 23-Jan-12 14:17:22

Afternoon all.

Nemo was up most of the night so I'm in agony with my back today, only today and then hopefully, tomorrow's procedure will help with the pain. I'm dreading it as they say I'll be awake whilst they inject my spine on both sides.

I hate being awake and I'm scared that they'll cause some damage and miss the spot...... <wibble>

Maryz - The same runs in our family, so I'm getting the same bloods done. I'm so shocked that you have to pay so much! Thank Jeff for the NHS, however shit they can be, none of us to afford to be without them.

Still no period here but I do still have sore boobs so hopefully, I might get some form of relief soon?

Does anyone else feel like it's better to have a period? Like a release of 'pressure' a build up almost.

I don't sleep much with having to care for Nemo but the times when I can sleep, I have trouble staying asleep too, and I wake at 4am quite often too but it's normally to use the loo. Gone are the nights of not having to pee in the night.

JugglingWithSnowballs Mon 23-Jan-12 14:26:55

I usually sleep really well but last night was awake at about 4, thinking a lot about something not at all important. So, it's just funny that a couple of you have mentioned the 4am wake up ( though not actually funny for any of us when it happens smile )

Mouseface Mon 23-Jan-12 14:27:14

Sorry Raven - missed your post but agree with Tilly, go to the doctors as soon as you can and get yourself sorted. A prolapse is a horrible thing to be living with, you must feel terrible sad

The wanting to eat crap and not do anything, not the cleaning or anything is how I've felt too. I hadn't noticed just how much I've neglected the house until this morning when I noticed all the duct everywhere! blush

I'm normally OCD on cleaning but I'm just not in the mood to do anything currently, sound familiar?

JugglingWithSnowballs Mon 23-Jan-12 14:28:15

Sorry - meant to say thinking of you Mouseface and good luck for tomorrow smile

Mouseface Mon 23-Jan-12 15:30:13

Thank you Snowballs xx

You okay today?

JugglingWithSnowballs Mon 23-Jan-12 15:43:13

We're doing OK thanks mouse but my DH is away in India for 2 weeks which I find makes life more of a challenge than usual.
Thanks for asking - will be half way (one week away) tomorrow.
He's often away for a week, but of course 2 weeks seems a lot longer.
Makes me think it must be so tough for forces wives.
I know a lot of people have it harder than me, in lots of ways - I'm just a terrible wimp !!

( P.S. I've just started an assertiveness course on Fridays - see why I might need it ! - I don't think you're supposed to call yourself "terrible" at anything grin )

Mouseface Mon 23-Jan-12 15:58:26

Sorry you are missing your DH, it's lonely at times isn't it, mind you, at least you have yourself to talk to as you wander round the house trying to remember what you've forgotten. grin

I hope that the course goes well, I did something in my youth.

shock Did I just type ^ that? Oh dear, I meant when I was younger and doing a lot of sales rolls. I loved it then, I'd hate to be in sales now, especially working for someone else.

Luckily, Nemo is a full-time job!

IslaValargeone Mon 23-Jan-12 19:58:49

Hello, I think I may have to join. I was kindly directed here by nana, I have to confess I have not read this thread in its entireity, as I can only cope with so much chin hair woe in one evening grin This thread has made me laugh which can only be a good thing given the anger I am currently experiencing.
I am behaving like the love child of Aileen Wournos and Ted Bundy.
Have no hot flushes, but periods appear to be getting closer together. Also have ridiculously painful boobs, what I thought was ovulation pain, only ever on the same one side though. I can barely get through a couple of days without crying, and I have sudenly developed an allergy to my earrings wtaf?
My temper is the thing bothering me most, I am not me at all.

crazynanna Mon 23-Jan-12 20:14:42

Welcome Isla smile

You will find here helful and will ease the tension somewhat. We are all in this and know what you are going through.

The Incredible Hulk moments are common and scary. Just read some more of the thread for tips and ideas to get you through the green man stages.

And don't forget to laugh! grin

IslaValargeone Mon 23-Jan-12 20:40:53

Thanks crazynanna,
Still reading through and am now adding to the early wakers club 3.30 in my case. Dh is going out tonight to give me some peace and he is also slightly concerned about the maniacal look in my eyes. He has made me promise I won't kill anything while he is out.

Mouseface Mon 23-Jan-12 20:50:35

Hello Isla, welcome to the MadHouse! grin xx

Okay, because I was actually hoping wondering if I could be pregnant, I've done a test and it's negative unfortunately thank goodness.

I can at least go ahead with all the x-rays and stuff tomorrow with a clear conscience.

So 20 days late since my LMP. Still sore boobs, still sweating like a glass blower's backside. Still forgetting why, when, where and how. Deep joy!

JugglingWithSnowballs Mon 23-Jan-12 22:38:06

Only sensible to do a POAS ( is that the correct lingo on here ?)
if you've got X-Rays tomorrow, and other hospital stuff.

I know that feeling of kinda hoping it might be a positive however unlikely the possibility - it can bring up a whole mix of feelings at the best of times.

Hope you have a good night mouse

LackaDAISYcal Mon 23-Jan-12 23:16:12

Just dropped in to MN to check on my weird menstrual issues and found you lot in active convos! I've spent the last two hours reading the whole thread with much laughter as well as lots of nodding. I'll be 43 in a few weeks and the worst thing. for me is the nightsweats. I seldom wake up, but the bedding is so. wet in the morning, that I have to check I've not wet the bed (though this has happened too blush)
Like oldsilver I have an autoimmune thing going on so have been putting a lot of my symptoms down to that, especially the forgetfulness, but over the last nine months my cycle has been erratic, I get the rusty thing for a day, then nothing for a few days and then a very heavy period. last few have had the break in the middle and then this month I had flooding and clotting and pain sad My rheumy symptoms get worse too, and the rage is horrible. For three days before I come on I am, in the words of my 9 yo, an "evil witch". Also this month period has gone on longer than usual and I'm ovulating whilst still bleeding. WTF is that about? And, as for poor DH is starting to think he'll never get It again. And I had an actual hot flush the other day...<sigh>
Anyway, that was only meant to be a quick hello blush Thanks for keeping me entertained this evening, and helping me explain some of my new and unpleasant bodily functions.

FlyingLugholes Tue 24-Jan-12 11:38:57

That's period arrived again - 25 days this time so not too bad. Think this one might be light as last month's was clot city.

Explains why I have been really emotional this past week and ever so slightly irritable... (under-exaggeration). Had a fit and dh a few days ago because he left a drawer slightly open.

Bad headache though and boobs are killing me.

No real sweats for me although I get a weird, prickly hot sensation come over me (and no it isn't dh in his unshaven state) when I am in bed and have to throw off the covers. Only last seconds though.

countingto10 Tue 24-Jan-12 13:31:19

Hi everyone, can I join the club ?

I'm 45 and have been having trouble with periods getting more erratic over the last 2 or so yrs but put down to stress etc. Anyway bit the bullet and went to the GP, she thinks I am no longer ovulating hence the flooding and erratic periods - something to do with brain trying to compensate for ovaries not working hmm. Had blood tests and will get results next week. She said there was anedotal evidence that sterilization (had my tubes tied 7 yrs ago) can cause an early menopause.

She has prescribed me norethisterone to regulate periods and hopefully stop the flooding etc - watch this space. She also mentioned a mild anti-depressant to cope with the feeling I have of being overwhelmed a lot of the time (though having 4ds and DH running his own business may have somethig to do with it hmm. Has anyone else been recommended this course of action ? Obviously once the blood results are in she will decide if i need HRT etc.

Does anyone know when the libido makes a return (a cup of cocoa and a chocolate biscuit is my choice for night time fun atm).

Thanks everyone - this thread has really cheered my up knowing I am not going totally mad.

JugglingWithSnowballs Tue 24-Jan-12 15:56:14

Hi countingto10 and LackaDAISY - And may I be the first to say, welcome to you both ! smile

Glad you've both found things helpful on here.

Just wanted to say I'm sure someone else queried whether they might be heading for an earlier menopause after having tubes tied ( and only a little way back up thread ) Thought you might like to have a look through with that in mind counting since as you say, it's always nice to know you're not alone smile

Since you mention your recent 25 day cycle I thought I'd add that I've just been a bit taken by surprise by a 24 day one, when I always used to be 30 or 31 days - so often the same date each month which was handy for someone who's always been a tad forgetful ( getting worse now though ! ) smile

So, that's confirming my feelings that there's definitely something up with the old hormones !

JugglingWithSnowballs Tue 24-Jan-12 16:01:03

Sorry all, meant to do a name check for Lugholes on the topic of cycle length - but I'm sure you all understand how you can slightly lose track of what you were saying, so post doesn't quite come out as you intended ?!

JugglingWithSnowballs Tue 24-Jan-12 16:02:46

Oh yeh, I meant to say, see I did say I was getting forgetful - but I forgot to mention it grin

FlyingLugholes Tue 24-Jan-12 17:32:24

juggling grin. I fully understand the forgetfulness thing <pats juggling's full-of-mince head>

JugglingWithSnowballs Tue 24-Jan-12 19:26:28

Ahh, thank you, Lugholes - that's very soothing smile

ElectricSoftParade Tue 24-Jan-12 20:47:22

Hello Fellow Peri Hags and how are we all today?

I sporadically post on this thread but then forget about it until I see it on Active Convs. My mind is really empty and I seem to forget everything. Have just finished a book called Before I go to sleep about a woman who forgets most of her history each night during her sleep and wakes up completely disorientated and scared. The book is fiction and a thriller but, oh, I did empathise with the morning confusion.

My DH has been away with work for the past week and in the days before he left I was raging. He is due back on Thursday and unfortunately I am still raging. My DCs are only 5 and 7 and I am so horrific to be around I just want DH back home to try to bring some normality into their lives sad.

I am sorry for the whining but feel a bit better now. (Angry smile).

If MN did those flappy, fluttery, glittery things (forgotten the word grin), you know, at the bottom of your posts like a signature? Well, mine would be:

angry sad confused angry sad confused ElectricSoftParade is completely fucked off and on Day 26 of mega period. Come on punk, mak