Cheese and Swine(flu) parties, different I suppose!

This is just another example of journalists completely misconstruing what was actually said.

That should read:
FDA Threatens to Seize All Natural Products that Dare to Mention H1N1 Swine Flu
Thursday, June 18, 2009 by: Mike Adams, the Health Ranger, NaturalNews Editor
Key concepts: The FDA, H1N1 and Natural products

http://www.naturalnews.com/026473the_FDA_H1N1_naturalproducts.html

Kids vaccinated with ANY vaccine ALL have a compromised immune system, as well as an overload of toxins in their bodies (aluminium for starters, is a dangerous neuro toxin). Has anyone ever noticed a developmental reversal in her child? Or a significant change in its behaviour?
The Mexican flu vaccines probably will also carry all sorts of stuff we definitely do not want in our cellls and genes.Not only will these vaccines never have been tested, nobody reads the product information.
Tamiflu wil only create a more virulent mutation of the present flu strain.
Don't let them scare you. Have colloidal silver at the ready (as the Pravda recommends you do), and vitamin C (sodiumascorbate). Check out the list of forbidden products against H1N1 the FDA mentions on its website, read the Mike Adams article on that idiotic move: http://www.naturalnews.com/026473the_FDA_H1N1_naturalproducts.html
And remember, vaccines were the way the 'Spanish flu' was spread around the world, making millions of victims. Just strenthen your immune systems and stsy away from vaccinees!

lol surely noone would put their child in the path of a highly contagious potentially life threatening disease against medical advice?
has the world gone mad?
vaccine anyone?

Would there be any advantage in having immunity to the mild version? Wouldn't a mutated virus be that - mutated - so that it would be almost a different type of virus???!!!!

<<wonders just who is reading the threads>>

canapes could be savoury mucous whirls or slime vol au vents
to drink maybe lemon surprise fizz[the surprise being you get an extra disease like the plague or HIV maybe]

The 'story' has certainly been picked up

the daily hysteria

Teletext 310

Metro etc

What would be in the party bag?

A coat in this weather? You can't be in the SE then

Oh no I did mean to post it here, it was a reply to Hecate's post.

I'll get my coat.

Did I mean to put that on the end of a different thread? Possibly... so ignore... nothing to do with parties.

The Spanish flu in 1918 mooched around in the spring but was much more lethal in the second wave in the autumn. There was also a third wave after that.

Article on the history of the 1918 pandemic

I think the one in 1968/69 had waves that were further apart, though, and in some ways 1918 was unusual.

Am I missing something here? I thought that once the virus mutates enough (and Tamiflu stops working), that you could catch it again anyway- the same way normal flu virus changes and they change vaccine very year. So what would anyone gain from exposing people to it?

I wouldn't go to one and I certainly wouldn't intentionally infect my kids, but if I'm being honest I'd rather they get it if by having it then, it offered protection against a mutated, possibly more deadly form. Didn't that happen before? mild outbreak initially then came back much later and wiped out half of europe?

But would you have immunity anyway if it had mutated or would it just be an entirely different beast?

What canapés will be served? That'd be the biggest factor for me in deciding whether to go or not.

If I was invited to one I'd go.

No i dont
sorry 5live - youll have to do your own research work

I try to keep my children healthy thank you very much. This does not include giving them diseases on purpose. I think anyone who suggests it is a loon or knows nothing about viruses.

From THE NATIONAL REYE'S SYNDROME FOUNDATION - USA

RE: Swine Flu Parties:

Please be responsible parents and check ALL the facts before you leap into Flu Parties or Chicken Pox Parties.

Chicken pox and Flu, including H1N1, can bring on other medical issues that can cause death in children - Reye's Syndrome for example, and Stroke, and a myriad of other lethal conditions. DON'T RISK YOUR CHILD'S LIFE!!

You play "Russian Roulette" when you expose your child to any virus, because you have no idea how YOUR child is going to react to that foreign germ in his or her body!

And - as with any drug - check the label for salicylate (aspirin like compounds) and do NOT give aspirin or aspirin containing drugs to children under the age of 19 for flu or chicken pox, or any viral infection!

For more information see: www.ReyesSyndrome.Org

And Please: BE WISE ABOUT REYE'S; KIDS AND ASPIRIN DON'T MIX!

The National Reye's Syndrome Foundation
www.ReyesSyndrome.Org

I did correct Jim/John slyandgobbo - when he said about pox parties I said I don't think anyones doing that yet Jim/John. But I fully accept that everything I have brought, I have brought on my own head. Right am off to bake some cakes and invite round some fluey looking guests (either that and some spade shopping).

Poor Justine! Do you have a spade to dig yourself out of this hole dear?

Can I say I am not morningsun

Just in case you were thinking about finding someone less argumentative to do the Roundup

You shouldn't have corrected Jim / John then everyone would have thought it was some maddoes on internet site mums dot com who were having swine flu parties... You have brought this on your own head, Justine.

(Obviously if you're already ill/ your immune system is weakened in any way you don't want to get it... ever.)

It's not irrational to want to get it before it gets more serious - estimates suggest 80% will get it. Sarah Boseley in today's Guardian:
"The biggest concern for public health experts is that the flu will return in an altered and more dangerous form in the winter... those who get it now may have some degree of immunity"

It is irrational justine,as it is a SERIOUS illness.
Akin to having a TB or meningitis party perhaps...anyone?!

I just heard the bit where you said "actually it's MumsNET dot com,John [or was it Jim?]", Justine. heeheeehee
<this was after Jim or John had suggested it was mums dot com>

Great, most of my friends/family think that Mumsnetters are a bunch of loonys - this is really going to help! lol

What I actually said on the radio this morning IIRR was that a lot Mumsnetters had suggested that it would be a good idea to catch the strain now before virus mutates/ tamiflu runs out/ health services under strain. [Insert hundreds of links to such discussions on MN over last few months] (I know because I was reading them at 6 am this morning!) but that I didn't know of any actual parties that had taken place. I also said many other Mumsnetters would rather run for the hills than be exposed for swine flu but that it wasn't irrational to want to get your exposure in sooner rather than later.

Farking hell...
there was 1 mention on that thread which had a after it which would indicate to all concerned that it was a joke!

As for MNHQ, do you not know us?????

links here www.mumsnet.com/Talk/general_health/781819-Just-found-out-a-boy-in-my-class-has-SWINE

Over here, they closed the one secondary school in town last month, and as it's a small town there's not much to do, so all the pupils bascially hung round together in town and in their homes instead.

What a silly policy! It didn't contain swine flu at all.

What merrylegs said. I thought it had only been mentioned jokingly?

"Mumsnet founder Justine Roberts told the BBC Radio 4 Today programme that she had heard rumours of "swine flu parties" taking place. "There is an awful lot of discussion from people who have come up with a fairly rational conclusion that it might be better to pick this up now, given that we all think it might mutate to a more virulent strain in the winter," she said.

"We have heard of people saying 'Can we come round to your house when you get it?' There's definitely a prevailing view that it might be better to get it now and some people are not despairing if there is a case in their school."

Link to these discussions, these people, these quotes please, Justine?

great idea this, post a thread on mns then go and make up a story about how people on mumnset are discussing swineflu parties. genius, give that journalist a pulitzer

(And I think that one person was joking. Looks like you've been had, 5live).

Guys if you have a TV 9wellt his is MN PMSL) lok on telettext news where MN is indicared if not specifies as being in favour of these parties

fgs

"It seems some people want their children to get swine flu now.."

Who? Who said that? Is it following on from
this thread?

That's one person then.

God, I am so fed up with lazy, polemic journalism

What did you all do before mumsnet?

This was on the Radio today - Local news said about the Mumsnet website!

Mumsnet already in the news for being pro swine flu parties according to this uk.news.yahoo.com/21/20090630/tuk-warning-over-swine-flu-parties-6323e80.html

er no, swine flu would kill my dh, and while i threaten it some days, Im not that stupid!

Also, the health services aren't overwhelmed with it yet, wannaBe. I don't think I'd have the guts to take dc to a swine flu party, but I'm not sure I'd condemn anyone who did take their DC along.

I wouldn't because I wouldn't want me/dh/ds to be ill, but I can see the logic in doing it.

At the moment swine flu is relatively mild, but the fear is that the virus will strengthen as time goes on, so it does actually make sense to catch it and build an immunity while the virus is still relatively harmless (and three deaths out of over 6000 cases in the uk is a tiny proportion).

So while I wouldn't personally have or attend a swine flu party, I don't necessarily think that someone who does so is mad or irresponsible, any more than someone who has a chicken pox party...

Nutters! Bet they didn't have plague parties in the dark ages!

I'd really rather dd (or dh, or come to think of it myself but I suspect I'll be much lower priority than them)) miraculously didn't get flu before they've had the vaccine. lljk, I think they will target the vaccine as it comes out to vulnerable groups first.

Playing Devil's advocate for a minute though - chicken pox can also kill/disable but people often deliberately expose their children to it. Is this so very different?

er no, my dd2 has underlying health issues and if she gets swine flu there's a chance it could kill her so if anyone is thinking of organising one in Kent let me know so i can keep well away.

I did wonder if swine flu parties (which I think is a hoax news story, btw) might be a good idea. The fellow was explaining this morning on radio that containing swine flu (not encouraging it to spread) means more time to develop a vaccine.

Which sounds great, except... is EVERYONE going to be offered the vaccine? If not, then what's the point of containing it?

er .. no cause that would be bloody stupid.

what a ridiculous idea - yes chicken pox parties in the 70's were the norm but surely no sensible people would be doing it now with swine flu?

er, there was one case in our school and we were advised NOT to congregate for the week while the school was closed.

are people really doing swine flu parties?

Is it like trying to expose them to chicken pox? I suppose the idea would be to gain immunity before the virus mutates. Does seem a little odd though...

I can't think of a single person who would choose to give this to their child. Insane!

No way!!! My sister and my nephew both had it and most of his school - but that was in the states. They are all fine.

Surely sane people wouldn't do this.

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