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Mail On Sunday writer looking to interview other Lindo Wing mothers who gave birth in July 2013

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MEDIA: amyoliver1234 Tue 23-Jul-13 17:29:46


I'm looking to interview and photograph new mothers who gave birth at the Lindo Wing in St Mary's Hospital, London, this week or earlier this month. The piece will be included in our commemorative Royal baby edition this weekend so it'll be a nice keepsake! I'd need to have a quick chat with you over the phone and we can send a photographer to you. Your newborn will also need to be pictured.

It would be great to hear from interested mothers ASAP, but latest by Friday 9am. Please email me on or phone on 020 3615 1819.

Many Thanks

Amy Oliver
Feature Writer
Mail On Sunday

Crumbledwalnuts Thu 25-Jul-13 17:22:10

Lol mumsnet isn't doing it but someone issmile be afraid

Sparklingbrook Thu 25-Jul-13 15:04:24

Probably best not to track any links on a 'What not to Google' thread Justine. grin

JustineMumsnet (MNHQ) Thu 25-Jul-13 14:51:59

We only get aggregate not individual data from third parties and currently don't store or track any aggregated data of what folks do while they're on MN as collecting and storing all that would break our feeble servers. Were we ever to collect data at any time in the future, it would only be for the purpose of honing/ improving the site by for example putting links to pages where people commonly choose to go next. We would never collect data to sell etc as per our privacy policy.

Crumbledwalnuts Thu 25-Jul-13 09:07:46

Am not in the least bit surprised about the Daily Mail. The Daily Mail is mumsnet like Brighton through a stick of rock, except for the left-wingness and the women-objectifying. But I didn't know that a website could track pages without linked access. I thought it had to be a link ie you get to the DM through mumsnet for the connection to be made. How interesting. I know the anonymity is a bit of a sop anyway, but it's the reason I wouldn't sign any petitions or give money to charities through a mumsnet link.

Sparklingbrook Wed 24-Jul-13 23:21:00

That's true sm. I have a very boring search history actually, and spending pattern in supermarkets.

scottishmummy Wed 24-Jul-13 23:09:15

It's like store cards like boots,nectar they all track data and patterns
They've got your address,our demographic,send pattern
I'm completely nonplussed about it

Sparklingbrook Wed 24-Jul-13 23:05:47

I have a Don't track Me thingy. No idea if it works though. Just don't get as many adverts and they don't follow me about.

scottishmummy Wed 24-Jul-13 22:25:38

Most websites use cookies,and will analyse their traffic
I'm nonplussed by this, data has a value to websites
Amazon,m&s,most sites analyse data

Talkinpeace Wed 24-Jul-13 22:13:25

Using DHs website stats, I can see the page that every web visitor comes from
AND the page that they go to after, as well as where they are, what browser they use and their IP address
I do not pay for deeper analytics (tight me)
but every website can see that bit ...

my problem was not with the DM, it was with the nature of the request

Shit I look at all kinds of crap that MN encourages - solar powered frogs, back hamsters, sootikins.

Sparklingbrook Wed 24-Jul-13 18:58:50

Oooh. They will see I have been looking at all sorts of riveting things straight after MN. This week it has been tacky solar lights and where felix cat food is on offer. grin

RedPencils Wed 24-Jul-13 16:44:49

Sparkling - they can't track you as a particular person and where you go, but it shows a general pattern.
Ie when users leave MN (ie click a link) x number go to DM site, x number go to hotmail, 1 goes to etc

Similarly you can also see how people arrive at MN ie x number types the www into the search bar, x number searched in google etc.

I manage a teeny website and love the stats. I'd be in spreadsheet heaven with the amount of traffic MN gets.

Turniphead1 Wed 24-Jul-13 16:35:04

As an aside, there was a relatively sweet piece my Bel Mooney in today's online DM about grand parenthood.

Made me broody to be a grandmother (my eldest is 9 ffs). Of course I was the only MNer to be reading DM royal baby stuff today.

JustineMumsnet (MNHQ) Wed 24-Jul-13 16:27:36


So only if we click a link while on MN then? Not just looking at the DM website?

It's about where users go immediately before and after Mumsnet - google tracks it too. We can see list of most popular sites visited pre and post Mumsnet on Google analytics. When I get a mo, I'll post up the results...

Talkinpeace Wed 24-Jul-13 14:06:37

TBH if the request had been from ANY newspaper, my opening reply would have been exactly the same,
as would have been the effort I made to make the most number of posters aware of the request.

It is the request that is grossly offensive and intrusive, not the requester.

As somebody who gets written up in papers every now and then - and a local rag front page hatchet job of me was a corker - I would never in a million miles participate in such a thing as it would be twisted with no right of reply.

PetiteRaleuse Wed 24-Jul-13 14:00:13

That's because sm a good chunk of MN are the Daily Mail's target readership. It's normal that it gets linked to a lot on here - they intend it to be. Sometimes I wonder if they deliberately pitch articles with the line 'this will get Mumsnet frothing'

No other paper so obviously targets the mum demographic. I'd place a bet that it is also the newspaper most linked to on Netmums too, and probably any other UK parenting site. But often the articles are written in a way to ensure outrage. Trolling if you like. Which is why so many mners hate them.

Fortunately threads such as this do show that not all of us get sucked in. Which is refreshing.

Twirlyhot Wed 24-Jul-13 13:59:25

Not really surprising at all. It's predominately read by women. It also used to be linked to an awful lot on here, so a thread at the top of AIBU with a link there would generate 1000s of hits.

scottishmummy Wed 24-Jul-13 13:52:10

Quite simply I find all the pitchfork, you're not welcome dm.not in mn town, risible
as justine has confirmed dm is most visited newspaper from mn.
So not the guardian Scotsman,Indy,times.but the dm.linked on mn daily,so v popular

Twirlyhot Wed 24-Jul-13 13:41:10

I am quite happy for MN to take their money grin

I have no problem with them posting on here.

It's quite reassuring to see other people view them as a blot on humanity too.

scottishmummy Wed 24-Jul-13 13:30:05

By all means,disagree with dm. I do.i work ft,Babies in nursery ft.they pillory working mums
They define people by house value,dress size,salary. decry difference or forrin
But it's a legitimate well selling paper,that makes a media request on mn as its popular here

Twirlyhot Wed 24-Jul-13 13:08:45

'Legitimate media'

i don't think so.

Twirlyhot Wed 24-Jul-13 13:05:30

I did look at the website, which does bring them money through advertising. Since they pushed a woman to suicide I haven't so much as glanced at it. It's liberating. The constant sexism, the attacks on women's shapes, behaviour, life choices, it wears you down.

PetiteRaleuse Wed 24-Jul-13 12:57:32

horry your friend is not alone. The DM has a bit of a reputation for stitch ups. Like most of the tabloids to be fair, but the Daily Mail paints itself as a trustworthy ethical guardian of morals, all the time twisting any news or features to suit their particularly hateful agenda.

I would be very wary of answering a request such as this. It would be interesting to see what comes of this request but I'm afraid I do everything I can to avoid giving them any revenue at all nowadays, and that includes clicking on their links.

For what it's worth, a friend was in a piece for the DM some months ago, featuring other women due at the same time as Kate. Nice photoshoot, background story, lovely.

Except that they did bang on about her forrin husband and the fact that her age gap will be small. And the comments she herself attracted on the online article were vile, hateful, personal.

So given her experience I'd recommend against getting involved in this follow-up.

Tweasels Wed 24-Jul-13 12:21:29

What I should have said is, personally I don't care which paper made the request, it's the request itself that I find hard to swallow.

I agree with you to an extent SM, the mumsnet community's vitriol and adoration for the DM is contradictory and confusing and I think it's wrong to say mumsnet as a whole hate the DM. It is fair to say that many mumsnetters hate the DM and they can and should feel aggrieved by this request. Those who enjoy the sidebar of shame and the benefit bashing etc shouldn't be criticising.

Whilst I agree that KM knew what she took on when she married into that family and she has forfeit her right to an entirely private life, I also think their has to be limits to media intrusion and I think being in hospital is an occasion when whoever you are you deserve privacy.

In that respect I believe the previous event does bear relation to this one.

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