'Soft' warm-up approach to next week's Low Carb Bootcamp!

(896 Posts)
BIWI Sun 05-Jan-14 21:13:41

Official Bootcamp starts next Monday - here's the sign-up thread

But I know that lots of people want to ease themselves into it.

If you've never low carbed before, it can be quite a good idea to do this, and it can help minimise the chances of getting 'carb flu' - the withdrawal symptoms when you cut down on your carbohydrates.

So if you're interested, this where it starts!

My advice:

- make sure you've got rid of all your Christmas treats

- ... as well as other carb-heavy stuff like biscuits, cakes, etc

- start thinking about the meals that you're going to eat in w/c 13 Jan - write yourself a meal plan (and think about all your meals, including your lunches as well as family meals, etc), and then make sure you write yourself a proper shopping list

- have a look at hat you're eating on a 'typical' day, and see where you cut down/out on the carbs -breakfast is likely to be your most carb-heavy meal, so think about how you're going to cut the carbs here (clue that will mean ditching toast, cereals, fruit and fruit juice!)

- if your diet is heavily reliant on pasta and rice-based meals, start thinking now about what you're going to cook instead

- make sure you are planning meals for the whole family to eat - try as much as possible to make sure that you're all eating the same food, rather than having to cook separate stuff for you - the idea is that this is a WOE - way of eating - and not a diet. So for example, if you're planning on having meat and two veg, plus potatoes - have meat and three veg instead. No-one will die if they don't have potatoes on their plate!

- look at how much tea/coffee you're drinking; if you drink them white, you will be consuming a lot of carbs in the milk. See if you can cut the number of cups down per day. Try and drink them black or use cream instead of milk

- think about the fact that you will be starting to eat a high fat diet; if you have anything that's low fat in your fridge/cupboard, get rid of it! Butter, cheese and cream as well as olive oil are all now going to be key parts of your diet

- similarly, think about all the artificial sweeteners you're eating/drinking and get shot of them. Diet drinks are not allowed on Bootcamp, so cut them down/out as much as you can

- fruit will not be allowed on Bootcamp (for the first two weeks); if you like to snack on fruit, consider replacing it with veg, e.g. slices of cucumber and peppers

- read, read, read and read more about low carbing have a look at the resources on the Spreadsheet of Fabulousness ; there's loads of good stuff here that will help you get your head around what low carbing is all about

- and have a look here some lovely recipes to inspire you

- and here is a link to Bootcamp rules ; make sure you are familiar with them by 13/1!!! grin

But above all, come and post on here with any of your questions, concerns and suggestions!

Good luck.

Ruprekt Sun 05-Jan-14 21:15:49

Woohoo....I am heeeeere!! smilesmilesmilesmilesmile

Arbuthnot Sun 05-Jan-14 21:18:38

Hi BIWI do you still calorie count on Bootcamp? I have been using MyFitnessPal so what ratio of fat/protein/carbs should I be setting? Also how does fibre factor in? Thanks

sybilfaulty Sun 05-Jan-14 21:20:47

Thanks BIWI. Am so excited and looking forward.

Am starting to up my water consumption on readiness for next week.

For anyone new to LC, this is a wonderful WOE. Healthy, tasty, filling and secret. Noone will know unless you tell them. This was very important to me at the start.

flowers for lovely BIWI. you have changed my life in a wonderful way. I am still 1.5 st down from 18 months ago. Would like to lose another stone to be properly slim.

hazchem Sun 05-Jan-14 21:24:34

I'm in (again). This time I'm getting to the freaking end.

Maryz Sun 05-Jan-14 21:25:41

I am going to Marks and Spencer tomorrow.

I have a 40 euro shopping voucher, just for meeeeeeeeeee.

I will buy pate, packets of chicken, thick cream, pork scratchings (the only place in Ireland I can get them, and they cost a bomb), some nice salady stuff with baby gem lettuce for making wraps and some fresh salmon (if I haven't run out of money by then).

What else should I get (apart from post it notes with dire warnings that i will be lopping off hands if anyone touches my stuff hmm)?

Whoknowswhocares Sun 05-Jan-14 21:29:31

Sorry that is probably a ridiculously basic question but this is my first delve into low carb. I know I'm terribly addicted to carbs and feel absolutely crap. My day consists of carb binges but due to silly amounts of exercise, I don't need to lose weight.
Is this plan suitable for me? Should I adjust it in some way so I maintain weight?

PseudoBadger Sun 05-Jan-14 21:30:10

Thank you!

PseudoBadger Sun 05-Jan-14 21:33:09

Maryz how about some hot smoked/kiln roasted salmon?

ImATotJeSuisUneTot Sun 05-Jan-14 21:40:23

I've done a lovely shop, cheeses and meats, fish. Excited. grin

ImATotJeSuisUneTot Sun 05-Jan-14 21:40:42

Oh, and big bottles of water! grin

Maryz Sun 05-Jan-14 21:42:01

Oh, good idea, Pseudo. I like any type of salmon, but need to keep the boys' hands off it.

Whoknows, it is a healthy way of eating for everyone as far as I know. If you didn't want to actually lose weight you could go straight to bootcamp light (so include nuts and fruit, especially berries).

I know for me I can't cut down on carbs very well, so I'm better off doing the whole hog when it comes to pasta/rice/potatoes/sweet stuff.

Arbuthnot, there is no calorie counting as such. I know from the past that MFP allows silly amounts of carbs - I changed the ratios when I tried it before. I think bootcamp is simpler.

sybilfaulty Sun 05-Jan-14 21:42:22

Can I recommend m and a pre cooked streaky bacon rashers? They are about 1.50 for a pack and much tastier than porkers. Crumble a couple into a mashed egg or an avo for lunch and you are made. Yum.

The point of bootcamp, though, is to eat natural, unprocessed food so these should be used sparingly. If you can resist of course....

Arbuthnot Sun 05-Jan-14 21:49:39

Thank you MaryZ. I think that I will have to calorie count in some form too, at least initially, as I am really bad at portion control and need to get a grip on that for mine and the children's general health. If I change the ratios on MFP to 45/30/25 fat/protein/carbs it gives me 90g protein, 60g fat, 75g carbs and 25g fibre. Does that sound a feasible starting point?

blizy Sun 05-Jan-14 21:52:25

I'm here! I plan on making the low carb shepherds pie but I don't like celeriac, can I use mashed swede instead?

lizardqueenie Sun 05-Jan-14 21:57:31

Hi BIWI

Ive just started this week doing the Harcombe diet. I am really enjoying it actually, and only a couple of days in so not really hardcore as yet I suppose but do you know if there is any/ much difference between bootcamp and this?

I know with Harcombe I haven't had to actually 'count' any carbs, do you count carbs on bootcamp or just be very aware of the carbs in things and make choices from there?

Thank you thanks

lizardqueenie Sun 05-Jan-14 21:59:41

Ah think I may have answered my own question with point #4 on the rules grin

Nux Sun 05-Jan-14 22:19:40

I keep seeing an 'allowed veg' list mentioned but can't find a link to it? Could you link again please Biwi as I've missed it somehow - thanks!

PseudoBadger Sun 05-Jan-14 22:22:34

Don’t eat any veg unless it’s on this list, and try and focus on eating those that are under 3g carbs per 100g:

Veg (raw)Carbs per 100g
Mushrooms0.4
Watercress0.4
Spinach0.8
Celery0.9
Broccoli1.1
Asparagus 1.4
Cucumber1.5
Lettuce1.7
Fennel1.8
Courgettes1.8
Cauliflower1.9
Avocado flesh1.9
Turnip2
Pumpkin2.2
Runner beans2.3
Swede2.3
Celeriac2.3
Bean sprouts2.5
Carrots2.5
Green pepper2.6
Baby sweetcorn2.7
Aubergine2.8
Leeks2.9
Okra3
Tomato3.1
Mangetout3.3
Shallots3.3
Brussels sprouts3.5
French beans4.7
Cabbage5
Yellow pepper5.3
Carrots6
Orange or red pepper6.4
Ginger (peeled)7.2
Butternut squash7.5
Onions7.9

HumphreyCobbler Sun 05-Jan-14 22:22:40

Hello

Starting properly tomorrow and really looking forward to it.

Have been drinking required amount of water with no difficulty for the first time on this WOE by making sure I have a full 2L bottle at room temp. So much easier for me to drink.

PseudoBadger Sun 05-Jan-14 22:24:58

Humphrey did I see that you're also BFing a small baby? Or did I make that up?

Hello, marking place...

HumphreyCobbler Sun 05-Jan-14 22:28:41

I certainly am.

BIWI Sun 05-Jan-14 22:31:48

Arbuthnot - nooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooo! No calorie counting! The whole idea of Bootcamp is that you don't have to count or weigh anything. Just follow the rules and you will be fine.

BIWI Sun 05-Jan-14 22:32:47

Maryz - why don't you make your own pork scratchings? Buy a piece of pork to roast, and keep the crackling to yourself.

dementedma Sun 05-Jan-14 22:32:51

Am easing myself in with full fat Greek yoghurt - Aldis is lovely - and hard boiled eggs for snacks. Good idea to start upping the water intake as you have to drink a ridiculous amount on boot camp and its tough to do

HumphreyCobbler Sun 05-Jan-14 22:33:15

I am looking forward to being thin <positive thinking>

Arbuthnot Sun 05-Jan-14 22:33:46

Really?! Am definitely in! grin

PseudoBadger Sun 05-Jan-14 22:34:23

My dd is 3 months on Tuesday

BIWI Sun 05-Jan-14 22:34:55

Whoknowswhocares - low carbing isn't just about weight loss, it's a much healthier way of eating. When you eat low carb, you are switching your body to burning fat. If you don't have any fat deposits in your body to burn, then all that happens is that your body will get what it needs from the fat that you are eating. You won't lose more weight. This is different from low calorie eating, where you can keep losing weight because you start to lose muscle mass, rather than fat.

Biwi - do you have a veggie sample menu? I don't eat fish. I'd really like to do the bootcamp but I'm struggling to see how it works for veggies if cheese is not an option.

HumphreyCobbler Sun 05-Jan-14 22:36:50

Congratulations PseudoBadger

gosh, my ds was 3 months last week. It has gone really quickly. I started to low carb but then got a bit sidetracked into dairy free. I then fell into the Christmas cake blush

BIWI Sun 05-Jan-14 22:37:08

lizardqueenie the Harcombe diet is similar in many ways, especially in her stage one. After that I'm not quite sure; I suspect not, as I think she advocates the inclusion of brown rice? I can't remember. But if rice is included, then it's different from Bootcamp. I have to say, though, that I have a lot of time for Zoe Harcombe. It's entirely up to you which plan you follow, but don't try and switch between them as they are different.

BIWI Sun 05-Jan-14 22:38:08

blizy yes you can use swede if you don't like celeriac

PseudoBadger Sun 05-Jan-14 22:38:49

I've made no weight loss effort yet Humphrey, in fact more likely a concerted weight gain effort grin

BIWI Sun 05-Jan-14 22:39:04

Arbuthnot you really don't have to worry about calories! You will find, once you're into low carbing after a few days, that your appetite is naturally suppressed, and you just won't be hungry/want large portions anyway. Honestly!

KnottyLocks Sun 05-Jan-14 22:40:13

Am avin a think as I have a most delicious , well earned wine belly. Thank you
, Santa.

HumphreyCobbler Sun 05-Jan-14 22:40:19

grin

I fear I may topple forward as my boobs are so huge. The day my baby's head is smaller than one of my breasts I will stand you all a pack of pork scratchings.

HumphreyCobbler Sun 05-Jan-14 22:40:51

ahem, that was to PseudoBadger <derails thread>

Arbuthnot Sun 05-Jan-14 22:41:47

Excellent! I bloody hate counting calories and weighing stuff out. Off to the other thread to stick my name on now.

BIWI Sun 05-Jan-14 22:42:10

thereinmadnesslies - it is much harder to low carb if you're a veggie, and especially if you're trying to avoid cheese. However, you may find that dairy is fine for you. Eggs are going to be your friend!

Rose Elliot has written a low carb book and a book of low carb recipes, which I can really recommend.

As I'm not a vegetarian, it's more difficult for me to advise, but there are several long term low carbers (hopefully some of them will come out of the woodwork to answer you!) who might be able to help you.

ChesterDrawers Sun 05-Jan-14 22:42:17

I'm on day 5 already, as I couldn't face eating any more crap after new year. I seem to have lost 5lbs so far, which I am chuffed with but have been quite heavy on dairy and processed stuff bacon.

I've been reading the summer bootcamp threads to get me through the cravings and have picked up loads of good recipes and advice already. I've just bought the Idiot Proof Diet cookbook too after seeing it recommended somewhere.

I've found it pretty easy so far and actually think this might work for me this time...hmmm...

BIWI Sun 05-Jan-14 22:42:49

grin Humph!

BIWI Sun 05-Jan-14 22:43:59

Well done, Chester!

The great thing about low carbing, once you're through the first few days, is that it stops you being hungry and you can eat lovely food and not worry about being deprived or starved.

lizardqueenie Sun 05-Jan-14 22:44:31

Thank you! Well I think I may join you and your band of merry women. I've cut out the white stuff & at the moment can't see any point back so I'm happy to continue with a lower carb woe. I worry that phase 2 on Harcombe may be a bit too free for me and I might wobble off. Will add myself to the list when I am on laptop & not teeny tiny phone!

PseudoBadger Sun 05-Jan-14 22:45:31

Oh you just made me compare boob size to baby head size!

HumphreyCobbler Sun 05-Jan-14 22:47:01

grin

BIWI Sun 05-Jan-14 22:48:38

sybil flowers you were the one that did the work, not me!

RatherBeOnThePiste Sun 05-Jan-14 22:57:37

Hello, I did post on the other thread, I'm in. Bloody need to do something as it's getting me down, so huzzah, here we go.

Will be sloshing again grin

Kefybaby Sun 05-Jan-14 23:03:31

Starting tomorrow too! Thanks for the thread, BIWI! thanks

BIWI Sun 05-Jan-14 23:09:48

Oh yes, the water! I forgot to post about that grin

Get yourself ready for Bootcamp by drinking as much water as you can manage!

RatherBeOnThePiste Sun 05-Jan-14 23:11:53

Been reading and catching up on threads. Thanks for doing this again lovely BIWI. You really are a star. X

BIWI Sun 05-Jan-14 23:16:32

It is my pleasure! You know I like torturing everyone ... grin

PseudoBadger Sun 05-Jan-14 23:17:35

So what is everyone planning for breakfast tomorrow? I think I'll have 2 poached eggs with lashings of butter and some mushrooms fried/stewed in butter. Butter butter butter.

pootlebug Sun 05-Jan-14 23:18:03

Whoknowswhocares - if you do lots of cardio exercise I'd recommend reading Lauren Cordain's book 'Paleo for Athletes'. Paleo isn't the same 'rules' as low carb bootcamp but is still a low-carb way of eating, which in this books case is adapted for people doing significant amounts of endurance exercise.

Maryz Sun 05-Jan-14 23:23:54

I do make myself pork scratchings (when I can get proper pork with crackling, which is surprisingly difficult to find near me).

But it always gets eaten the minute it comes out of the oven. I don't seem to be able to keep it for snacking on.

mushrooms, I need mushrooms.

BIWI Sun 05-Jan-14 23:32:10

Maryz Do you have a butcher locally? You could always try going there and asking if they will sell you some skin to roast.

PseudoBadger tomorrow will be two boiled eggs for me

encyclogirl Sun 05-Jan-14 23:35:17

I'm kind of doing this already, so definitely count me in.

CointreauVersial Sun 05-Jan-14 23:41:37

Ooh, I'm chuffed to see this thread, because I was already planning a Bootcamp Light week this week. I have a spare tyre post Christmas, and it has to go. I put on a jumper dress today, and looked a right porker.

The main problem is the amount of Christmas goodies I still have in the cupboard; much of it will be hoovered by the DCs, but there are a few bits that they won't eat, and I hate waste. I might do what I did last year, and take them into work - my colleagues will happily take care of them!

BIWI Sun 05-Jan-14 23:47:03

Good plan, Cointreau!

HeggartyTotterington Sun 05-Jan-14 23:54:20

Excellent! Thanks BIWI

I'm starting bootcamp-lite tomorrow. Today was my birthday so have gone out with a final hurrah to carbs and wine grin

I'm actually surprised by how much I'm looking forwards to this!

BIWI Mon 06-Jan-14 00:00:00

Happy birthday!

MrsJoeHart Mon 06-Jan-14 00:19:39

I'm doing a soft start tomorrow I plan to take measurements as well as weighing myself as last time I found there were some weeks when I didn't loose pounds, but my clothes got looser. I might even take before pics, but I'm not posting them on here!

SteeleyeStan Mon 06-Jan-14 00:24:00

I'm here too! grin

Never done bootcamp before, but I've been low carbing for some years (originally started on the old-fashioned Atkins) and lost a bunch of weight, but I've got complacent since last summer. More and more dark chocolate, wine, nuts, berries, the odd carby treat... Nothing too bad, but enough to stop the weightloss. And then Christmas happened...

I've been trying to behave since NY, but this week will be great for looking up meal ideas and making sure there's nothing in the cupboards that's not supposed to be there. smile

Santa brought me a blood glucose monitor (I'm not diabetic but nosy and have risk factors and like gadgets ), so I think I'll do a pre-Bootcamp check on how my blood sugar's doing for a few days too, so I can compare later on.

ChippingInWadesIn Mon 06-Jan-14 00:50:27

MrsJoeHart Wimp fgrin

Did you say on the last thread what your posting name was last time - can you PM me if you don't mind people knowing?! I can't keep up with all the namechanging - it seems low carb does wonders for my bloods, something for my weight, but still absolutely nothing for my memory fgrin

Heggarty Happy Birthday fsmile

thereinmadnesslies - I wont lie to you, it is hard to do as a veggie, though quite a bit easier if you eat eggs (I don't), especially if you are trying to keep dairy to a minimum. I don't enjoy cooking either, which really doesn't help! I tend to have much the same thing most days -

B - whole avocado, Food Doctor seeds (& cheddar cheese if I haven't convinced myself it stalls me)

L - rocket, raddish, raw mushrooms, ( a few sneaky cherry tomatoes sometimes too!) with Food Doctor seeds and either basil infused tofu (Taipan ready to eat), cheese or cold veggie sausage (cauldron are the lowest carb I have found). Vegetarian egg free mayo.

D - (a variety of veg from) brocolli, courgettes, spinach, peppers, aubergines, mushrooms, leeks, cauliflower, bok choy in either a cheese or mushroom sauce (saute mushrooms with cream or cream with cheese) or stir fry or roasted - but mostly with cheese sauce, though I am going to try to change that a bit this time to reduce the dairy. I tend to make a huge batch of this then take portions and cook them in the fry pan with more butter so it's a bit 'bubble & squeak' ish, then add either a few raw or blanched veg for a bit of a crunch.

Red pepper cut in half with pesto, mushrooms, blue cheese then cooked in the oven for half an hour is also really good.

Some people find soup good, but I don't find it does the job for dinner without bread, I need to 'eat' so I don't have it.

My saviours are Food Doctor seeds & Kingsland Roasted & Salted Almonds (from Costco) though I am going to try not to be so dependent on them this time.

ChippingInWadesIn Mon 06-Jan-14 00:54:04

Steeleyestan - I would love to know what your readings are and how they change if you don't mind sharing. Mine came down loads when I started LCing, I have been a proper carby twat <techinical term from a previous Bootcamp fgrin> over christmas and they have been fairly good all considered, but I went out for dinner the other night and if there was a carb to be had I ate it or drank it - they were 'not good' <eek> Tuesday I am back on the old wagon!!

SarahBeenysBumblingApprentice Mon 06-Jan-14 00:55:30

Hello everyone!

I'm 3 days in as I couldn't face feeling post-Christmas and bloated anymore. I'd given up sugar before Christmas, had a blip for Christmas, and now full on bootcamp.

My first day I felt tired and grotty as if I'd fasted all day but bizarrely without being hungry. Properly hungry day 2 and a bit tired. A bit hungry today and thought I'd got it about right but now I can't sleep! Have just had a bit to eat and a decaf coffee with cream and I'm going to try again.

Good luck everyone!

SteeleyeStan Mon 06-Jan-14 01:02:00

Chipping I'll happily share. grin
I put on 2lb despite having a stomach bug afterwards... Lots of chocolate and mince pies happened. blush Kudos on low carbing as a veggie!

Happy Birthday Heggarty!

Someone asked what everyone is having for breakfast. Two eggs fried in butter and coffee with coconut oil for me. That used to be my staple. Lately I've been more into Greek yoghurt with seeds and berries, but I'll ditch that for now. smile

MrsTwgtwf Mon 06-Jan-14 01:08:26

Very sorry to jump in...reading with interest...SteeleyeStan - coffee with coconut oil - is that nice?

gussiegrips Mon 06-Jan-14 01:12:00

lurking.

going to read the info.

Been meaning to try lowcarb forevvvvah, but, never really understood it. However, a medic once said to me that it was helpful with PCOS type folk, of which I am one.

If giving up pasta means my tache behaves itself....well. Worth. It.

ChippingInWadesIn Mon 06-Jan-14 01:20:06

MrsT you can google Bullet Proof Coffee. Many LCers swear by it, I love coffee, but personally I'd rather drink my own wee than BPC fgrin You should try it though, others love it.

gussie it's certainly helpful for diabetics and I've heard for PCOS too (both treat with metformin - so??) Good luck.

SteeleyeStan - great, look forward to seeing how your levels go smile I am not getting on the scales until Tuesday, but I can tell you we will be talking about a gain of at least half a stone. I am hoping lots of it is glycogen store and not fat wishful bloody thinking!!

MrsTwgtwf Mon 06-Jan-14 01:21:35

Thanks, Chipping, I'd never heard of it before.

SteeleyeStan Mon 06-Jan-14 01:22:11

MrsTwgtwf - might be an acquired taste? I don't really like bulletproof coffee (coffee blended with butter) and thought at first that coconut oily coffee was a bit weird too, but now I love it.

MrsTwgtwf Mon 06-Jan-14 01:25:03

So how do you make yours, Steeleye? I love coconut oil and would be ready to shove it in coffee if it helped me be healthier.

MrsTwgtwf Mon 06-Jan-14 01:27:06
ChippingInWadesIn Mon 06-Jan-14 01:29:52

I tried it with butter, coconut oil etc etc - just couldn't take to any of it, but as I said, lots of others do and say it 'sets them up' for the day. I really, really wanted to like it as the idea of feeling that fab after a cup of coffee was appealing!! fgrin

SteeleyeStan Mon 06-Jan-14 01:39:26

MrsTwg I can't be bothered with all that blending. blush I just melt a teaspoon of coconut oil in with my coffee, and quite like the way it forms a grease layer on top. It's like coffee and chapstick in one... grin

Gussie I have PCOS too and low carbing it supposed to be very good for us indeed. I got a natural cycle this way for the first time. One doctor recommended LC to me in 2001 already - too bad I didn't listen to them back then.

MrsTwgtwf Mon 06-Jan-14 01:41:49

Thanks, that sounds really easy, Steeleye and I will deffo try it. thanks

ChippingInWadesIn Mon 06-Jan-14 02:10:57

Steeeye that's exactly what I didn't like - bleurgh!! fgrin

My cycles are more regular & less heavy when I'm low carbing - far fewer period pains as well. Love it.

ChesterDrawers Mon 06-Jan-14 06:52:58

grin at coffee with Chapstick. I've tried it too and that's exactly what it's like. Nicer than it sounds.

Today's plan is:

B: eggs in clouds
L: chicken, bacon and pesto salad
D: cottage pie topped with cauli, courgetti spaghetti in butter

Will snack on some Total with cream, cinnamon and orange oil if needed and will have a coffee with cream this evening as my treat (how times have changed).

blizy Mon 06-Jan-14 07:09:34

My plan for the day is
B- creamy scrambled egg with bacon pieces mixed through
L-tuna mayo salad
D- road to chicken breast with mashed swede and broccolli (adding butter to veg)

I am sipping on peppermint tea and have filled my water bottle. I will be going to the gym or shredding after work.

Good luck everyone!

Lavenderhoney Mon 06-Jan-14 07:24:16

Good morning everyonesmile must remember to buy some big bottles of watersmile for refilling and putting somewhere obvious in the kitchensmile

Good luck, loserssmile

FourArms Mon 06-Jan-14 07:26:20

I'm in smile

I've just had some roasted pork loin and NLY for breakfast. It's not Total so that will go with Bootcamp proper. Coffee with semi-skimmed milk. I'd drink 10/12 a day normally but have cut back to 2/3 and will try to keep it to 1/2 on Bootcamp. May try cream too.

Today's weight - 175.2lb. I've lost 40lb already starting on SW red days and then the Harcombe diet.

BIWI Mon 06-Jan-14 07:36:34

For those of you new to low carbing, here's a whole load of stuff I wrote about it, which is on the site somewhere - but not easily accessible for some reason!

look here

BIWI Mon 06-Jan-14 07:43:01

Be prepared for this WOE (way of eating) to turn on its head everything you thought you knew about healthy eating grin

... which also means you need to be prepared for other people's reactions to your food/what you're eating.

Although the medical profession is slowly and quietly coming round to the benefits of eating fewer carbs, and especially sugar, it is generally a strongly and fervently held view that fat is a bad thing and that we should be eating as little of it as possible. There is much written about why this is a fallacy, and Dr John Briffa ) ("Escape The Diet Trap") and Gary Taubes ("The Diet Delusion"/"How We Get Fat And What To Do About It") have written extensively about this.

You will also find it strange in the first few days - and it will feel like a real leap of faith to tuck into bacon and eggs, and meat with creamy sauces, and salads with oily dressings in the hope that you will lose weight! I remember my very first week being convinced that I was only going to pile the weight on - and it was a complete revelation (as well as a bit of a shock!) when I did, indeed, lose weight.

If you can, do as much reading up about low carbing as is feasible, so that you have the ammunition to provide a cogent argument to all those who will try and tell you that you are eating an unhealthy diet.

One critical factor in your success is to make sure that your partner/family understand what you are doing and are supportive of it. Many posters here have been deterred by partners that they have been unable to convince. If you don't believe in what you're doing it can be incredibly disheartening (and so easy to give up) if you have a partner/parent/sibling constantly undermining your efforts.

daisychicken Mon 06-Jan-14 07:47:10

Just marking my place!

More benefits to low carb that I've found: no spots! extra regular cycle & barely get period pains (& that's coming from someone whose stupid body 'likes' to exaggerate pain (Fibro)!), no bloating, no farting!!!!!!! only do a number 2 a couple of times a week (this is wierd till you get used to it!), generally feel better in myself, don't get cravings (I still get the nibblies but I don't crave sweet stuff), don't get the 4pm slump (not to be confused with Fibro slump!).........!!!!

I'm boot camping to make sure I'm eating correctly and will work out my weekly menu shortly.

googoogoggles Mon 06-Jan-14 07:52:06

Oh God, finished off mega bar of chocolate last night in demented feeding frenzy. Going to start BC Light today to get myself back on track. Just know I'm going to have to fight off those awful sugar cravings again BUT IT'S WORTH IT! Honestly, for those who've not done it before, once you get into the zone where you can walk past a display of croissants and cakes and not have the slightest urge to scoff one is amazing.
Started day with coffee and cream to last until 12 (I hope).
Good luck to all of you starting full-on BC today!

heliumheart Mon 06-Jan-14 07:52:43

I'm a fan of Bulletproof Coffee although find the whole experience vastly improved by using a stick blender. If you use MCT oil you eliminate the taste of coconut. I have used it to replace breakfast/lunch in a sort of low-carb fasting way, will try that again once I'm a few weeks in and know my appetite has been reduced.

I'm in for this, just can't wait until the 13th because I feel SO BLOODY FAT. I separated from my H on 2nd Jan last year, and despite being mired in horrible divorcey things (two court appearances in the next month, oh the joys of divorcing a sociopath hmm ) am determined to take control of things having spent the last year overeating and feeling chaotic. Onwards!

For exercise I'm about to start power plate sessions, three a week, and see how I get on. I just wasn't going to the gym and am going to try something a bit different.

AnnBryce Mon 06-Jan-14 07:56:38

It's fabulous. I lost a stone & a half last time, hoping to shift last half a stone this time. I know it will fall off when I apply myself!

ImATotJeSuisUneTot Mon 06-Jan-14 08:01:06

Good Morning All!!

Im half way to work and realised I've left my big bottle of water behind! Great start! I'll have to see if I can pick something up when I get there.

B-Greek yogurt
S-spinach and mushroom frittata.
L- buffalo mozzarella in garlic oil, a variety of meats and olives - like an antipasto thing.
D- sirloin steak, tallegio stuffed mushrooms,

Dairy/cheese doesn't stall me , so I'm good to fill up on it.

Also, for those new to this - try your local meat market for cheap, quality meats. I was AMAZED by how much we get for our money by going there.

heliumheart Mon 06-Jan-14 08:14:21

JeSuis - all sounds delicious smile

ImATotJeSuisUneTot Mon 06-Jan-14 08:18:37

It does, doesn't it? Makes you wonder why I let the carbs creep in last time - I don't even particularly like them, and feel miles better without them in my diet!

PseudoBadger Mon 06-Jan-14 08:20:44

On track so far, just had 2 lovely runny poached eggs and some mushrooms. And one cup of tea.

Seri77 Mon 06-Jan-14 08:41:23

I agree, I let carbs creep back when I was ill and then kept on stuffing my face despite the carbs making me feeling even more rubbish.

As I'm off work this week and next I am going to use the time to establish good habits. All sugary rubbish has been eliminated from the house. I've made chicken and leek soup, roasted peppers and I'm waiting for a low carb supermarket delivery.

The problem I have at work is there is no fridge so can't have salad. I was thinking of making some breakfast muffins and taking them out of the freezer in the morning so they will be defrosted by lunchtime.

I've also discovered creamed coconut sachets (3g per sachet) which I've combined with 500g Greek yogurt to make lovely coconutty yogurt for breakfast.

I haven't dared weight myself yet.

BerylStreep Mon 06-Jan-14 08:57:48

The day my baby's head is smaller than one of my breasts I will stand you all a pack of pork scratchings.

Snort! Humph, I think this should be quote of the week!

I have been drinking loads of water for the last few days - something I never managed to achieve with previous BCs.

daisychicken Mon 06-Jan-14 09:03:33

seri could you not get an insulated bag and an ice pack? DH and I use those and my lunches are still cold by lunchtime...

LauraBridges Mon 06-Jan-14 09:13:23

Good luck to everyone. I also liked that line about the baby's head.
I have been almost 100% paelo/sugar free for a few years with a very few breaks (a couple of months last Autumn but even then mostly ate pretty well) and I feel so much better. However I had been eating a lot of nuts and raisins and I can easily over eat on cheese and it makes my nose run so I want to lose a stone or two this year this way.

I also like the reddit keto site. I agree that the harcombe diet is similar and she writes a lot of sense although I bought the book very recently and did not like it (and the author does suggest putting some brown carbs back later however she has a pretty sensible way of eating). In fact what I find is increasingly people are coming together to recommend this way of eating - high good fat, medium protein and low carb is how I describe it and no processed foods.

I put a pint glass of tap water on my desk (I have never drunk tea or coffee) and keep filling it up all day. I am not a fan of plastic bottles and don't buy water but whatever sort of water you drink I do recommend drinking more. Most people don't drink enough.

I won't weigh myself until we start on 13th though.. as it might be more than I like.

gussiegrips Mon 06-Jan-14 09:23:10

are you all kidding? You eat NICE STUFF and still lose weight?

More mulling. Mostly with drool hanging off my chin.

SarahBeenysBumblingApprentice Mon 06-Jan-14 09:25:15

Re: partners/other halves

Mine keeps asking if I want bread with my meal. He is well aware what carbs are. Dropping the carbs hasn't left me feeling too bad so far but I am exceptional grumpy! Would it be excusable to strangle him? grin

ChesterDrawers Mon 06-Jan-14 09:51:27

Gussie in the last five days I have eaten some amazing meals! Leeks cooked in cream, steak in mushroom and cream sauce, broccoli roasted with Parmesan, everything fried in real butter, lots of tasty meat AND I've lost five lbs.

I can definitely recommend, if you fancy joining us (no idea if you need/want to lose any weight so sorry if not, don't want to cause offence).

StuntNun Mon 06-Jan-14 09:56:08

I'm in for a soft start too - will Bootcamp Light for a week before diving in. I have gained 4.5 lb over Christmas so my goal is to lose 8 lb this Bootcamp. I'll have to get stricter though as the carbs have snuck their way back in through extra cups of tea, too much chocolate and more booze over the Christmas period.

B: berries, double cream and Lidl full fat yoghurt
L: steak (my treat for the kids going back to school) and salad with homemade vinaigrette
D: chicken rogan josh

GrumpyCrossPatch Mon 06-Jan-14 10:01:17

Perfectly excusable! Mine is low carbing with me so that should help - have given him a copy of the rules to be going on with! He has vaguely low carbed with me before but is going to commit properly this time. We have also reduced the carbs in the DCs diets a little and noticed wonders in their behaviour, concentration and energy levels.

The Grumpy family are easing themselves in this week with LC breakfast/lunch/snacks and normal dinners plus lots of water. This Grumpy has just been for a run to try and get her mojo back so all good so far!

gussiegrips Mon 06-Jan-14 10:03:17

I'm in, for sure.

Apart from it sounding yum (yes, I'd love to come to your house for dinner, Chester. How kind of you to ask)

But, I've muddled myself by bingeing on reading about low carb.

Why do you choose low carb light initially? And, please tell me there's a link to a huge list of meal plans so I can get my head round "eat full fat yogurt and cream (yum), don't eat brown rice (no great loss)"

StuntNun Mon 06-Jan-14 10:48:47

Gussie quite often on these threads people post what they have been eating that day so you can get some ideas. My dinners are usually pretty standard but with the carb source replaced so: bolognese with courgette ribbons, curry with cauliflower rice (blitzed in the food processor and fried in butter), salmon with microwaved leek (with butter) and courgettes fried in butter, chicken legs (rub butter in before cooking in the oven) with mushrooms fried in butter and steamed broccoli with melted butter added.

Did I mention that we use a lot of butter? wink

heliumheart Mon 06-Jan-14 11:37:06

I've had omelette with cheddar for breakfast, might just have some ham roll-ups with cream cheese for lunch, and have an enormous vat of bolognese on the go downstairs. Hopefully I'll be bothered to have courgette ribbons with it, always feels so much more civilised grin

Feeling quite motivated. Is very unlike me to have a vat of anything on the go at this time of day.

Ilisten2thesoundofdrums Mon 06-Jan-14 11:39:05

Morning everyone,
I know that a soft start would be no good for me, so with all excuses over ( DH's brithday at the weekend) I have started bootcamp proper this morning.
I have had breakfast of yoghurt and linseeds with a few drops of lemon essence ( sugar free!) to flavour it, and am on my third glass of water at my desk so far this morning (plus a coffee), so am starting to feel that I'm sloshing around a bit.

Gussie, I did this this time last year and it was so much easier to stick to once the shock of the 2 weeks of bootcamp strict were over and I could add berries and nuts back. - but I would recommend doing the strict bit too to kill the sweet craving if like me you have a sweet tooth.

Because of all the fat I never felt hungry after the first week where it took me a while to get my head around it all, and best of all the weight fell off. Although I went back to my previous way of eating - it was less carby than previously. I am starting again as some of the weight began to creep on again. Last year I had to buy smaller clothes and they are beginning to feel a bit snug so I don't want to have to go back to the "big" ones again.

projectbabyweight Mon 06-Jan-14 11:42:55

I've started today too. Going well so far: 2 eggs fried in butter, coffee without sugar (a big deal for me!), mint tea, smoked salmon & cream cheese (early lunch).

Weirdly I didn't gain any weight over Christmas, but did gain an inch on my hips, which really shows as I'm pear shaped. Want to lose 3 inches though that might be a bit ambitious in 10 weeks grin

Good luck to everyone and many thanks to BIWI.

MrsJoeHart Mon 06-Jan-14 11:49:11

Weighed myself to find that I've gained a stone and 5lbs since July! Frankly I'm not surprised as I've been going bonkers. Starting today, so just writing my shopping list and off to the shops.

daisychicken Mon 06-Jan-14 11:57:38

sarahbeeny LTB! wink sorry had to get it in somehow I agree, perfectly excusable to strangle him! My DH wasn't helpful when I first low carbed but once he saw the weight drop, he did change his attitude (mostly, I do get moans about celeriac and swede but he's been told quite firmly that he either helps me or I go back to eating carbs and put weight on & be depressed... that stopped him wink )

BewitchedBotheredandBewildered Mon 06-Jan-14 12:27:05

I'd love to give this a go but I have quite high cholesterol and it seems to contradict all the advice for that.

encyclogirl Mon 06-Jan-14 12:28:24

Hi everyone, I faced my demons and hopped on the scale this morning.

Bear in mind I've been soft bootcamping since New years day. I am still nearly two stone heavier than I would like to be. Feck!

Anyway, onwards and onwards.

Br: 2 homemade pork sausages (dh makes them so I know what's in there)
Lunch: Just had it, Smoked salmon, cream cheese, cucumber, loads of green leaves.
Dinner: Chicken salad.

Bit heavy on the salad today, need to think about how I mix this up. I get very lazy food wise and have the same thing on repeat, then of course I get bored...

Hopefully I'll be a few pounds down come next Monday, but more importantly I will hopefully have this WOE embedded.

HumphreyCobbler Mon 06-Jan-14 12:35:48

Last time I weighed myself I had a complete nervous breakdown and Bootcamp came to my rescue and reassured me. flowers Thanks again.

I haven't weighed myself since and I don't plan to. Have taken measurements instead.

SteeleyeStan Mon 06-Jan-14 12:51:05

I weighed myself and took some measurements (last time was July!) and it wasn't as bad as I feared, luckily. I think gravity's been at work though: I've lost a bit round my neck and boobs and gained the same round my arse. hmm

My day today:
B: fried eggs and the oily coffee
L: smoked salmon, salad veggies, coffee with double cream
D: lamb stew (cheap bony and fatty lamb, swede, turnip, leek, herbs)

My DH is luckily great. He's actually really happy with low carb foods, since he generally loves meat and veggies. He's watched me struggle with different kinds of diets in the past, so he's really supportive now he can see this works and isn't torture. We have a deal that any carby rubbish he wants he eats at work.

keeponkeepinon Mon 06-Jan-14 13:04:45

Never been so relieved to be back on a diet!
I started gently on Saturday as I am just so sick of feeling like rubbish off all the carbs. Theres still loads of sweet stuff in our house for the DC which is a bit of a problem but I'm going to get through it.
Today...
B: Ham rolled with full fat cream cheese and a brew
L: 2 slices bacon with rocket salad and mayo
D: leftover roast chicken and veggies

Whoknowswhocares Mon 06-Jan-14 13:07:22

Right this is seriously weird!
I had 2 scrambled eggs with some cheese melted in for breakfast......and now Im not hungry! I don't think that has ever happened to me before.
Usually I'm fine until I start eating and then I'm constantly hungry.....is that the effect of the carbs or have I tricked my mind into believing it is?

HumphreyCobbler Mon 06-Jan-14 13:09:13

I slightly worry about DH when I do this WOE. He is happy to eat and cook high fat/low carb food, but he still continues to drink apple juice and eat cornflakes. I wonder if the benefits may turn into negatives given the fact that he still eats some high carb food? Or do you think this will be ok?

He won't stop with the apple juice as it comes from our own apples and is really delicious, and puts our apples to good use. Plus he works hard each year collecting and transporting it all to be juiced. But it is just sugar!

Mlig Mon 06-Jan-14 13:13:53

Sorry I keep popping up and asking random questiWhat's mly?

Mlig Mon 06-Jan-14 13:14:44

Oops I just posted that message..

I know I keep popping up asking rand

HumphreyCobbler Mon 06-Jan-14 13:15:28

Whoknows, not feeling hungry all the time is one of the great things about this WOE. Carbs make you hungry because of a sugar spike and subsequent dip.

HumphreyCobbler Mon 06-Jan-14 13:15:48

grin Mlig

LittleMissDisorganized Mon 06-Jan-14 13:17:57

I've been reading loads, I think DH is a bit bored of the subject and I've not even started yet. Hopefully he'll come round but I'm hoping to use here for support (if I'm nibbly/sad/angy/bouncy/upset/bored - any excuse, which is how I got in to this situation)

However. I've been in plaster and in a wheelchair and housebound for 6 weeks. I am really fed up and not in control of the cooking or feeling like an independent human being. I might be allowed to walk when I go and see the surgeon on Wednesday. I really really hope I will be. I need to take the cooking back, it's usually my job and I cook much more from scratch than DH has time or inclination to. I'm trying not to be whingy but it has been very difficult to cope with not being able to do anything, including dress myself or carry a plate/bowl of food or reach the kitchen properly. However, the surgery was to correct a deformity in my left leg that meant I was quite disabled so if it has worked it will be well worth it.

I've written a list, and I've upped my water intake, and I'm going to plan a meal out or two at the weekend because I haven't been able to go out of the flat for so long. And start on Monday, with a good understanding and motivation and just gradually building up my activity levels, no need to do everything all at once. Famous last words.

Sorry that was so long blush just needed to get out where I'm at.

Mlig Mon 06-Jan-14 13:19:42

Ahh bloody kids! I'm on my phone and my lg keeps pressing post message!

What I'm trying to say, is sorry I keep asking random questions, I'm just trying to get my head round it all, I'm so up for starting this, although I'm struggling to cut down on the carbs just now so I think I'll have to be cold turkey next week, I am a bit all or nothing...

What kind of cream cheese can you have? And is it only natural yoghurt you can have? I don't like natural, or cream :-(

And re the boobs and babies head, that proper made me laugh! I have enormous boobs that were not only bigger than babies head, but my friend used to wear my nursing bras on her head too lol

HumphreyCobbler Mon 06-Jan-14 13:24:17

full fat cream cheese and sorry, flavoured yoghurt is high in carbs

<tries bra on head>

fingers crossed for you Littlemiss

Mlig Mon 06-Jan-14 13:32:23

Lol!
And I can cope without the yoghurt, but I love Philadelphia I might just eat a tub of that per meal! Lol
Can you have the chive and garlic ones too?

SteeleyeStan Mon 06-Jan-14 13:44:47

Mlig somewhere in the spreadsheets (?) someone recommended adding some pure vanilla powder to full fat natural yoghurt. It's really yummy, if you want yoghurt but aren't a fan of the plain taste. I've ordered 100% vanilla powdered online, but I think someone said you can buy it in Sainsburys too.

Ilisten2thesoundofdrums Mon 06-Jan-14 13:49:25

re the yoghurt if you can't stand it plain you can flavour it with orange, lemon or whatever other extract you can find in the supermarket with the cake ingredients. There are some which do not have sugar - there is even a chocolate extract. Also you can buy powdered vanilla pods in waitrose which are sugar free.

I am just tucking into my lunch as I read this. I have a huge plateful of salad ( gem lambs lettuce and ruby chard half an avacado and 3 cherry tomatoes) with a piece of salmon with lemon peper olive oil and a spoon of Jersey extra thick cream) that I cooked in the microwave using "roasting bags" from the supermarket - the crinkly plastic ones- they have plastic tags to go in the microwav- fantastic way to cook at work!) - All the jices from the bag are making a great salad dressing.

bewitched I'm sure that there were some low carbers with colesteral issues this time last year and they found that contrary to all expectations their colesterol went down - you might want to search for the last January bootcamp threads

BIWI Mon 06-Jan-14 14:04:14

Bewitched you might like to read Zoe Harcombe about cholesterol.

From everything I've read, low carbing is good for cholesterol.

It's also worth reading "The Great Cholesterol Con" by Dr Malcolm Kendrick, if you cn.

heliumheart Mon 06-Jan-14 14:40:13

Agree with the others re. cholesterol and those book recommendations. A few years ago I had my bloods done before starting low-carb, just so I could keep an eye on it. My cholesterol dropped by 2 points and my triglycerides (now thought to be the most useful indicator for heart problems IIRC) sank from 4.something to 0.5.

LittleMissDisorganized Mon 06-Jan-14 14:58:58

Thanks Humphrey

My copy of Dr Briffa's 'Escape the diet trap' came today and 6 chapters in, I am convinced. I'm a doctor - and I can't believe I never believed in this before, thinking it was dangerous or ineffective. I am reading the summaries out to DH, who is not a big reader, and still going for "different things work for everybody" and doesn't get the importance of some of the science in there.

Mlig I am also all or nothing, for me it's part of an addictive personality.

Mlig Mon 06-Jan-14 15:39:00

Littlemissdisorganised, I have a very addictive personality too, it must be linked x

StuntNun Mon 06-Jan-14 15:41:47

Interesting tips for starting low carbing from Michael Eades' blog.

ImATotJeSuisUneTot Mon 06-Jan-14 16:43:13

The carbs are calling me. Just have some crisps Tot. It's just one bag. No no no!

This will get worse before it gets better!

scratchviolet Mon 06-Jan-14 16:49:24

Is natural yoghurt flavoured with an essence of some sort ok then? I love Vanilla. I've been easing myself in today - lovely scrambled eggs for lunch, going to have a pork chop and spinach with butter for dinner but breakfast was a big fail. Tried to have full fat yoghurt but it just made me gag. I must have trained myself over the years to like the taste and texture of low far things - the full fat yoghurt felt so thick! Going to have to crack breakfasts if this is going to work. Can you eat too many eggs?

Suzymoo9 Mon 06-Jan-14 16:49:48

With the bootcamp light how many carbs can we eat a day? What is the main difference between this and the strcit one that starts next week? In light can we have fruit and the odd slice of toast & nuts?

Thanks, this is a great support.

SarahBeenysBumblingApprentice Mon 06-Jan-14 16:54:09

Little miss disorganised: it's also worth reading the eating academy blog by Peter Attia. He's a Dr for whom low carb turn everything he knew on its head. His blog convinced me that it was worth a go and I wasn't going to die of a heart attack after six months on it!

goodasitgets Mon 06-Jan-14 17:00:40
SteeleyeStan Mon 06-Jan-14 17:00:53

Andreas Eenfeldt is another doctor writing and blogging about low carbing.

PseudoBadger Mon 06-Jan-14 17:02:53

From StuntNun's link:

"...insert some pats of butter under the skin of a chicken leg and thigh before cooking, and wolf them with your fingers while the fat drips down your arms." grin

BewitchedBotheredandBewildered Mon 06-Jan-14 17:12:11

Thanks BIWI and the other, how amazing!
Will read suggested stuff.
<excited>

BewitchedBotheredandBewildered Mon 06-Jan-14 17:13:22

Tsk! otherS

BerylStreep Mon 06-Jan-14 17:17:25

Goodasitgets those are amazing photos.

<I love being nosy and seeing other people's photos>

goodasitgets Mon 06-Jan-14 17:21:07

That's what Instagram is for wink I love looking at people's house photos!

PseudoBadger Mon 06-Jan-14 17:39:20

Amazing pics!

MrsHughJarse Mon 06-Jan-14 17:50:54

I am binging on low carb reading - previous boot camp threads, recipe threads. Etc..... It feels like its a dream come true - I think I have been ' on a diet' and starving hungry on and crucially off - (hence my new username) for about 20 years...... What a saddo ! Have just turned 45 -and determined to sort myself out once and for all. It just sounds all so yummy - too good to be true, almost like an April fool . the grim truth is on the scales, but with all this using up of Carby goodies, I feel it might be a stone more by next Monday !grin

ChesterDrawers Mon 06-Jan-14 18:14:48

How long between those two photos goodas? The transformation is amazing, bloody we'll done.

goodasitgets Mon 06-Jan-14 18:17:24

It will be just under a year now smile
Long way to go still but it's a continuing process!

NewStartNewStory Mon 06-Jan-14 18:17:29

Well I was going to start back today. But I managed to chuck my cauliflower and the bowl it was in at the floor due to tiredness. As a resulted I have resorted to a heavily butter thin bread ham sandwich because at least if i chucked that at the floor it wouldn't take 20mins of crawling around on my hands and knees clearing up glass.

My top tip for bootcamp is water, water, water. And sleep. sleep will help keep the sugar demons at bay. mumbles something about needing to follow own advice.

Looking forward to eating 3 proper meals a day and the return to a more normal sleep pattern. Ah the benefits of this woe that you wouldn't expect...

StuntNun Mon 06-Jan-14 18:24:23
projectbabyweight Mon 06-Jan-14 18:30:50

I've had a good day (food-wise, I'm not referring to the teething baby and potty training toddler grin )

Looking forward to fitting into my old jeans, but also the other random side-effects I've had before, like better skin, a niggling ear infection clearing up and small patches of eczema disappearing smile

sybilfaulty Mon 06-Jan-14 18:36:02

Great photos, Good as! I have got my tummy shocker pics which I will post when I am brave. I need to work in the old gut a bit before the final after shot.

Not been very hungry today but not had enough water either. As I am off the booze tonight it will be water or herb tea all round. Camomile or mint teas are both good as an alternative drink if you don't like black tea or can't stomach yet another glass of water. We all were very excited about a peppermint and liquorice tea this time last year, but that is REALLY sweet and was too much for me. Clipper tea make a nice sleepy tea which is not too sweet. It's not as good as wine, but hey.

SayraT Mon 06-Jan-14 19:18:38

I've just signed up on the bootcamp thread (and mumsnet!) can't wait to get started.

I tried to start on Friday but didn't do very well so started again today though I have had some berries which I know aren't allowed on bootcamp.

Today I've had:

B: Scrambled eggs (with butter), green tea and glass of water
L: Broccoli soup, ff greek yogurt and mixed berries and a glass of water
S: Chicken bits, cucumber and carrot sticks
D: Broccoli soup, roast chicken leg (butter under skin with garlic and thyme) and lots of veg and another glass of water

I feel full now but I know that lots of people say that they don't feel as hungry whereas I always feel hungry! Especially when I eat meat, my food list is longer than the others. Will I still lose weight or does everyone else actually just eat less!

Arbuthnot Mon 06-Jan-14 19:35:44

I may have got a bit carried away so have had:

B: Belly pork and mushrooms cooked with coconut oil (veer from wanting a good breakfast to not being hungry til lunch but am going to make sure I eat 3 meals a day at least for the next 3 weeks)
L: Rocket salad with avocado, vinaigrette, celery, peppers and coriander
D: Roast chicken skins with the yummy skin on with cauli puree made with double cream.

Am now very, very full! Oh and have drunk 3 litres of water so far so just 0.5l to go, based on the spreadsheet.

Am going to show a little more restraint tomorrow. When do the carb cravings normally kick in? So far, so good!

SarahBeenysBumblingApprentice Mon 06-Jan-14 19:37:39

Good as

Thank you for post those, it's good to see some inspiration when you're on day 4!

I'm really worried that I'm eating too much compared to what other people are putting down. Days 1-3 I've definitely been hungry and snacked; last night I couldn't sleep as I was hungry and I'm quite used to going to bed a bit peckish (most useful weight control method I'd found previously).

Today I've had:
B: 2 eggs and mushrooms, cooked in butter
L: Broccoli and stilton soup with some bacon in it and a wodge of flaxseed bread (now I'm having a wobble… is flax ok on bootcamp?)
Second L : A small (matchbox) bit of pork belly with no crackling as I hate it and salad. No dressing.
D: Cottage pie with celery, leeks, beef mince, and stock; the mash being turnips, celeriac and cream and cheese on top.

3 coffees with just a splash of cream.

I'm not hungry this evening, at last!

BIWI Mon 06-Jan-14 19:53:16

Why no dressing on your salad?

Fat is your friend, and it is what will stop you getting hungry!

BIWI Mon 06-Jan-14 19:56:31

Suzymoo - we don't count carbs on Bootcamp Light or Bootcamp! The difference between this week and next week is that we haven't started, but are just easing our way into things. Some people wanted to get stuck in asap, so are Bootcamping, for others - especially those who are new to low carbing - it's a way to move towards it gradually so, hopefully, minimising the likely impact of carb/flu

BIWI Mon 06-Jan-14 19:58:41

My day:

Breakfast - two boiled eggs
Lunch - 3 slices roast beef, iceberg lettuce and spinach salad, with a vinaigrette dressing
Dinner - roast chicken (with the skin!), spicy cauliflower rice and leeks with bacon, cream and cheese

BerylStreep Mon 06-Jan-14 20:00:45

I have just made the most delicious salmon and feta bake, adapted from the IPD cookbook. Makes 4 or 5 huge portions.

2 salmon fillets
200g block of feta cheese (cubed)
4 or 5 frozen spinach blocks, more if you like (IPD used broccoli, but I prefer spinach)
2 tbs chopped parsley
150g grated cheddar
3 eggs
200ml double cream
1 carrot, diced finely, just to add a bit of crunch.

1. Dice the salmon and put into a lasagne type dish
2. Add the feta, spinach blocks and parsley and half of the cheddar
3. Whisk together the eggs and cream and stir in. Grate over the rest of the cheddar.
4. Bake in a 190 degree oven for about 25 mins until golden brown.

I served it with avocado and salad leaves.

This is Seriously Good.

BIWI Mon 06-Jan-14 20:03:05

Spicy Cauliflower Rice (serves 2-4, depending on the size of the cauliflower)

One small cauliflower, cut up into florets, and pulsed in the food processor until it looks like rice or couscous (if you have a large cauliflower, you might want to add another shallot)

3 shallots, sliced
2 red, birdseye chillies, chopped finely
2 large cloves of garlic, chopped finely
soy sauce (a good brand like Kikkoman)
Handful of chopped coriander
black pepper

In a large frying pan or wok melt some coconut oil (or use whatever oil you prefer - sesame would be good in this recipe)

Sauté the chopped garlic and chilli for 30 seconds or so and then add the shallots and continue to fry until they're soft

Add the cauliflower and stir round so it's coated in all the oil, and cook over a medium heat for about 5 minutes (keep an eye on it and add a splash of water if it starts to stick)

When the cauliflower is soft enough for you, add a couple of tablespoons of soy sauce, stir and then add the coriander

Serve once the coriander has wilted a little.

Plonkysaurus Mon 06-Jan-14 20:03:40

I need a kick up the arse, I think I might need to do boot camp.

I sort of went Primal about a month ago, and lost half a stone in three weeks. Since then I've been eating a frig load of nuts, berries and even honey. Oh and Christmas happened, so I had a lot of chocolate and booze. It's hardly surprising, but the weight loss has completely stalled.

Go on then. I started boot camp today and so far have had...

Breakfast - poached egg and two gluten free sausages, 2 coffees
Brunch blush - flaxseed muffin with chilli and Parmesan, butter on top
Lunch - small bowl of leftover chicken parmigiana with med veg and creme fraiche stirred in
Dinner - spag Bol with courgette spag

I've drank lots of water and a few cups of chamomile tea.

I do have a question though - as I'm not cold turkeying it, will I still experience carb flu?

ImATotJeSuisUneTot Mon 06-Jan-14 20:08:15

My evening meal was amazing. Yum yum yum. grin

SarahBeenysBumblingApprentice Mon 06-Jan-14 20:13:00

BIWI

No dressing as I've run out of mayo any my husband polished off the vinaigrette and I was too hungry and thirsty to make more!

(DH is like a rake and can eat all the fat I'm eating, plus carbs and stay thin. Bastard.)

GrumpyCrossPatch Mon 06-Jan-14 20:13:34

Am not hungry but can feel the kids' Christmas chocolates calling me. Have been good as gold all day. Must hold on [tortured superhero face].

StuntNun Mon 06-Jan-14 20:16:36

Sayra it's important to avoid being hungry - hunger sends you towards carbs. Eat when you're hungry and have low carb snacks handy. I keep a pack of Peperamis in the car for emergencies!

SayraT Mon 06-Jan-14 20:26:40

stuntnun I was just worried because compared to what everyone else has written I seem to have eaten loads and others say they lose weight but is that because they feel full and actually eat less calories?

I'm not too worried about eating carbs when I am at home, I live by myself and don't buy bread, biscuits, crisps, chocolate, sweeties etc and would never go out to get them. Work is going to be the hard one as we all like baking and often have homemade cakes etc at coffee breaks.

I am hoping that if I start low-carbing now while everyone at work is also on a health kick by the time cakes come round again no one will thinks its odd I'm not having any!

BIWI Mon 06-Jan-14 20:46:54

Sayra - it isn't a competition! The key thing is to make sure you're keeping your fat levels up and eat enough so that you're full (not stuffed!), and if you're hungry - eat.

Once you get into it properly you will find that your appetite does diminish significantly anyway.

blizy Mon 06-Jan-14 20:48:00

I found today quite easy, I did cheat and have a fruit smoothie but I need to have it as it's the only thing that makes me go when I'm constipated. I'm not sure how I will go with no fruit, I fear I may be very bunged up by the end of the 2 weeks!

I have made a big batch of low carb shepherds pie, so that's tomorrow's dinner and Wednesday's lunch sorted. I have to do a food shop tomorrow after work to stock up.

I like the sound of bolognaise with courgette spaghetti, can someone share their recipe with me please?

Plonkysaurus Mon 06-Jan-14 20:58:09

Blizy, I bought one of these specifically for courgette spaghetti! Also great our salads.

My bolognese recipe is quite basic, I don't really do set quantities. Brown the mince and remove, then sweat a few carrots, celery and leek (chopped quite small), add bacon and mushrooms and let it sweat for a further 5 min. Put the meat back in, with some chopped tomatoes and purée, and a splosh of water. Simmer for at least 1hour. Eat!

Fott he courgettes i just slice them with my peeler and cook in butter with a bit of seasoning.

Slatecross Mon 06-Jan-14 21:05:04

Mr and Mrs Slatecross signing in! We are both going to start on Jan 13th and I'm easing myself into it a bit. I've valiantly worked and getting rid of the Christmas biscuits and even just a couple of days without sugar has made me feel more energised!

Why can't you have sugarfree drinks? Mr Slatecross is a diet coke addict!

Ruprekt Mon 06-Jan-14 21:11:54

B...2 poached eggs, bacon and coleslaw

L...goats cheese and coleslaw

D...Waitrose (reduced to 99psmilesmilesmilesmile) smoked paprika chicken, broccoli, sprouts and creamy, cheesy leeks. smile

Water, fizzy water, coffee

A good day. thanksthanks

blizy Mon 06-Jan-14 21:13:27

Thanks plonky, so I can just do normal bolognaise buy not have pasta. I've never made slag Bol from scratch, I use a jar of ragu blush.

sueh95 Mon 06-Jan-14 21:21:53

Plonky I love the sound of the flaxseed chilli and parmesan muffins - is there a recipe on the forum for this?

Thanks

PseudoBadger Mon 06-Jan-14 21:28:45

BIWI - please could you post the method for your leeks with bacon, cream and cheese?

Well last Thursday I cut all chocs, crisps, potato, pasta, bread etc. I finished the Christmas cake and pudding for desserts and had the odd glass of wine. Apparently I lost 2 kilos?! (I am breastfeeding though)

Today was bootcamp proper. Again a bit gluttonous due to BF...:

Tea and milk x3
Coffee with quite a bit of cream
Lots of water

Breakfast - 2 poached eggs, mushrooms cooked in olive oil and butter.

Lunch - 2 Smoked salmon slices
Mozzarella, Avocado, Cucumber salad with pizza express House Dressing (I couldn't find my vinegar so couldn't make my own)

Snacks - 3 slices of Ham, Cheddar thick slice

Dinner - cottage pie without the top (Minced beef, carrot, celery, shallot, garlic, oxo cube)
Jamie Oliver's Smashed celariac

Plonkysaurus Mon 06-Jan-14 21:29:04

Blizy you certainly can, courgette noodles are a great substitute for pasta/rice.

Sueh this one requires actual quantities!
1/4 cup (4tbsp) ground flax
1tsp oil/butter
1/2 tsp baking powder
1 egg
As much chilli as you want
As much cheese as you want!

Mix it up in a cup and microwave for a minute. Stir it thoroughly or you get bits that only taste of baking powder. You can change the flavours a lot too, nuts and cinnamon with a bit of honey/stevia and coconut oil is lovely.

PseudoBadger Mon 06-Jan-14 21:29:43

Oh, and a Jasmine Tea

fizzly Mon 06-Jan-14 21:38:15

Fizzly and Mr Fizzly signing in. We are starting full on Boot Camp today - have seriously over indulged and need to get on with it. I need to lose a stone, minimum - would like to lose 1.5. DH in a similar boat. I'm in the spreadsheet - he won't let me add him (chicken) but I'll be keeping track of his stats!

Today:
B: Two boiled eggs each with butter (me), without butter (him - he doesn't like adding butter but knows he should!).
L: I had some celeriac and spinach soup, with some snacks of cheese and cucumber/carrot batons around the day. DH had tuna salad, avocado and similar snacks.
D: A chicken carbonara-type thing with mushrooms, celery and some fried savoy cabbage on the side.

And drunk my own body weight in water. It is ok to add lemon to water isn't it??

LucyVFood Mon 06-Jan-14 21:44:13

I'm having fat/oil/butter issues again. It goes against every ingrained diet habit in me.

Say I'm adding butter to scrambled eggs. I add about a level teaspoon. Too much or too little?

Adding oil to salad. I add about 10ml. Too much or too little?

Fat is going to be my downfall...

GrumpyCrossPatch Mon 06-Jan-14 21:44:17

Someone mentioned constipation. I have previously found benefibre very helpful when LCing. Completely tasteless, I usually have a glass in the morning and a glass at night and it seems to work well.

BIWI Mon 06-Jan-14 21:44:58

We're giving up diet drinks for three reasons:

- Bootcamp is about healthier eating, not just weight loss, and we're trying to eat 'clean' - i.e. avoid artificial ingredients and processed foods

- There is some evidence that artificial sweeteners can also impede weight loss have a look at this

- We're also trying to break our addiction to sweet things

BIWI Mon 06-Jan-14 21:47:51

Leeks and bacon in cream and cheese sauce serves 2

2 leeks,washed and sliced
2 rashers of smoked back bacon, diced
grated mature cheddar
single cream
butter
black pepper

Melt a large lump of butter in a frying pan over a medium heat and gently fry the bacon until it no longer looks raw

Add the leeks and stir; cook for 2-3 minutes until they are softening and starting to brown

Pour in a generous sloosh of cream, and then a couple of large handfuls of grated cheese, season with black pepper and cook together for another couple of minutes

FourArms Mon 06-Jan-14 21:52:09

This made me laugh:

I've never made slag Bol from scratch, I use a jar of ragu.

Sorry! smile

FourArms Mon 06-Jan-14 21:54:37

Lucy

Butter - probably more a heaped teaspoon here.

Oil - I use 3 dessert spoons of oil to one of lemon, mix and tip the lot on. Not sure if lemon is allowed on bootcamp?

BIWI Mon 06-Jan-14 21:55:52

Lemon is fine

blizy Mon 06-Jan-14 21:55:56

Oops, I really must preview my posts! blush.

PseudoBadger Mon 06-Jan-14 21:56:19

Thanks BIWI smile

Kefybaby Mon 06-Jan-14 21:58:21

Lucy, I am struggling with fat issues too! I cannot believe we are being encouraged to consume butter, oil, cream and cheese. I am still reluctant to use any more than I would normally use. blush Can anyone explain how fat helps with weight loss? I have previously been on the Ducan and Harcombe diets and they were advising against consuming fat.

BIWI Mon 06-Jan-14 21:59:01

I think Atkins says you can have 3-4 tablespoons of lemon juice per day. There are carbs in it, but usually the amount we're using is pretty small:

see here

LucyVFood Mon 06-Jan-14 22:02:37

Thanks Four, could probably do with a bit more then. Dressing sounds great, could you use white wine vinegar if lemon's not allowed?

LucyVFood Mon 06-Jan-14 22:05:54

Kefebaby, I know! But I struggle with ignoring calories too. I've clearly been on too many diets...

lucy embrace the butter. I get the sea salt crystals butter and eat it off everything (celery, cheese --the spoon--). Delish!! I realised that whenc raving carbs what I was actually missing was the butter or toppings and once I found other vessels to eat those things life became much easier!

Piscivorus Mon 06-Jan-14 22:41:31

Bit late but LittleMiss did you see the BMJ articles last year by Gary Taubes and Robert Lustig? Interesting stuff.

Beryl I also made a variant of the IPD bake today. I used a piece of smoked trout from our Christmas hamper, feta, cauliflower, eggs, double cream and cheddar. I don't like raw cheese, only eat it cooked in things so I'm hoping the feta isn't too much for me.

Today I've had:
2 eggs scrambled with a dash of cream
Chicken and chorizo salad
Small bowl IPD curried cauliflower soup
Pan-fried steak, small amount fried onions, mushrooms, cauliflower, courgettes

I've been very industrious as back at work tomorrow. Have made IPD curried cauliflower soup, IPD salmon trout and feta bake and a meat loaf so will have plenty of good stuff at hand

Piscivorus Mon 06-Jan-14 22:43:50

MrsHP I love the President butter with salt crystals. I don't like raw cheese but could nibble that butter quite happily!

ChesterDrawers Tue 07-Jan-14 06:31:40

Today's plan:

B: eggs, with ham, butter and a slosh of cream
L: left over cottage pie
D: Parmesan chicken, leeks and courgettes in garlic butter

That's 6lb off now in 6 days. Bloody love LC!

ImATotJeSuisUneTot Tue 07-Jan-14 07:30:17

My breakfast and lunch are the same as yesterday's due to time constraints.

That's a trap I don't want to fall into again as last time I did find myself getting bored with my lunches, because they were always the same.

StuntNun Tue 07-Jan-14 07:35:33

Sayra one of the Bootcamp rules is not to let yourself get too hungry. If you're hungry, eat, and don't worry about what you're eating compared to everyone else. If I get peckish I have 10-20 salted almonds (only on Bootcamp Light obviously) and try and eat them really slowly. If I'm still hungry after that then I know I need to get something more substantial.

For courgette pasta I find it works better if you let the courgettes dry out for a while before you cook them, either a couple of hours on the chopping board or all day in a plastic bag in the fridge. It stops them being quite so soggy.

Lucy my biggest problem with this WOE is getting enough fat. I don't think you can have too much, that's why people end up putting coconut oil in coffee or eating butter with a spoon. For a salad for me I use three tablespoons of oil, so 45 ml. When I add butter to vegetables then it would be about a tablespoon per person.

It's well worth reading up on low carb diets as it's quite shocking just how many lies we have been told all our lives about healthy eating. A lot of assumptions were made without anyone actually doing any real research to verify the facts. The 'fat is bad for you' myth came about because fat has just over twice as much calories per gram as protein and carbohydrate therefore the theory was that you could eat more carbs or protein and fill yourself up, as if our stomachs were simply boxes to be filled to the brim. But the crucial error was that it was simply an assumption that fat was bad for you simply because it contains more calories. Nobody bothered to prove that it was true. And now we have an entire diet industry built around low fat foods. It's hard to get into the mindset that fat is good for you but it is an essential part of this WOE. Once we really get going there will be a few complaints from people that haven't lost weight one week. And I guarantee two questions will come back: are you drinking enough water and are you eating enough fat?

daisychicken Tue 07-Jan-14 07:43:20

imatot plan plan plan! It may take a week or two but plan main meals to give leftovers.. freeze the leftovers to make "ready meals" and then from then on make sure 1-2 main meals a week give leftovers. Then you can plan busy days to use leftovers (even if just for you & rest of family have beans on toast!). You can do the same with lunches ie make a batch of soup or cheeseburger pie or make a box of salad up so you just take a portion & some protein each day. Breakfasts for me are simple... piece of cheese & Greek yog or piece cheese and cold meat or leftover frittata (good for lunches as well).

When I first started low carb'ing.... (My very first was in between pregnancies so 10 years ago!!!!!) I lived on bacon and egg - got boring quick! I soon learned to plan meals a bit better!

daisychicken Tue 07-Jan-14 07:44:55

Stuntnun where do you find your salted almonds?

LauraBridges Tue 07-Jan-14 07:45:58

Just eat as much butter and fat as you like. There is loads of science out there about it. Eat fat and lose weight. It's been the biggest problem over the last 40 years with health advice - telling people to cut good fats. The point is if you just eat naturally like this then you aren't hungry so you consumer fewer calories than you need without having to count them. In a sense fat keeps you full. It's the ultimate very very healthy appetite suppressant. I don't measure of count it. So I have just fried my bacon and eggs in it for breakfast - I use olive oil for that.
Day before I had 3 types of fat with one meal - olive oil in the pan to cook the meat and veg, meat - pork with loads of pork fat on and then when it was all in my bowl lots of butter on top of the veg - which I take out by a fork so not sure of the amount - at least a tablespoon.

Some recommend a diet of 80% fat to lose weight - so that is most of your calories coming from fat but loads of good meats and veg for all the vitamins that you need of course too. Too much protein means too many carbs ultimately although very few people can eat that much protein that they put on weight so no need to be too worried about that.

BIWI Tue 07-Jan-14 07:46:35

Zoe Harcombe does not advocate a low fat diet!

here's an interesting piece by her

... and supports StuntNun's post

When we eat low carb we're switching the body to burning fat. Fat is your body's source of fuel.

Obviously we have stores of fat laid down, but also we burn dietary fat too.

Eating fat does not provoke the release of insulin, unlike when you eat carbs - and it's this spiking of insulin that leads to the body laying down fat.

Eating fat does not make you fat. Nor is it bad for you.

ImATotJeSuisUneTot Tue 07-Jan-14 07:52:42

daisy What's a cheeseburger pie?!

StuntNun Tue 07-Jan-14 07:55:13

Daisy Tesco sell three different types. Blue Diamond are nicest but expensive, the Tesco own brand ones are cheaper and they also sell a guaranteed free from other nuts brand for people with allergies. You have to be really careful not to eat too much as they are on the carby side. I actually count out ten or twenty and put the bag away before I start eating them. My DH can eat a bag of these at one sitting which isn't good for you.

SteeleyeStan Tue 07-Jan-14 08:03:01

Yes yes to reading and then reading more, if you're struggling with the idea of eating fat. If you're struggling to get more fat in and don't want to do anything too "weird", my own suggestion is double cream in your cuppas and added to your foods etc.

I didn't really like the lamb stew I made last night. Not sure why - DH loved it. I didn't eat a lot, so felt hungry in the evening and ended up eating some greek yoghurt with cream.

The plan today is:
B: Two fried eggs and coconut oil coffee.
L: Courgette spaghetti with a creamy cheese sauce.
D: Homemade meatballs, green beans and/or broccoli with butter.

FourArms Tue 07-Jan-14 08:23:53

This is my secret worry - if I eat too much fat my body won't use my body fat and I won't lose weight.

I haven't experimented with that yet though and I am losing weight with possibly less than optimal amounts of fat although I am embracing salad dressings to get some in smile

Anyone read anything that discusses this?

Kefybaby Tue 07-Jan-14 08:26:01

Biwi, this is a very interesting article. Thanks for sharing it.
I would actually love to eat cream, butter and cheese all day long. There is just a little voice inside me that says that, even if we accept that they are not harmful, surely I would lose more weight if I avoided them in excess. How does fat help with weight loss? Would one not be better off on lean meat and veg with a bit of olive oil rather than fatty meat with cream and lots of butter?

captainmummy Tue 07-Jan-14 08:33:56

Kefy - the biggest myth put about by successive governments for 40 years is that fat is bad. FAT IS GOOD! SUGAR IS BAD! Look at what's happened over 40 years; we've been told to cut fat and eat low-fat/high carb stuff - and we've all got fatter!

Low-fat stuff is processed and disgusting -and high-carb, because they take out the fat and replace with sugar/chemicals/crap.

When you eat high-carb, the body releases insulin, which goes looking for carbs to convert ot glycogen for energy. If you don't use that energy instantly it is converted to body-fat, for use later. (Or not). Then your blood-sugars will drop, making you hungry again. HOnestly - I would be faint from hunger every 2 hours. Now I can go all day) grin
Fat doesn't raise insulin in the same way, so gets used for your energy uses much easier. And it fills you up and you don't then get a blood-sugar crash 2 hours later. Diabetics do really well on LC, as their blood-sugars are level and not dipping and rising all the time. (Advice for diabetics to eat high-fibre high-carb is almost criminally irresponisble, I think - but a lot of them are still advised to eat low-fat, high-carb fruit and veg and starches etc 'for energy'!)

captainmummy Tue 07-Jan-14 08:35:45

Fourarms - it is very difficult to eat too much fat! Because it is so satiating. Think about drinking a glass of double cream - could you do it? Butter in slices? Your body would probably not allow you to do it.

StuntNun Tue 07-Jan-14 08:41:08

FourArms you're missing the point that the extra fat we eat on this WOE is replacing the carbs we used to eat. We still need to eat but we are trying to avoid raising our insulin levels. Carbs raise insulin levels a lot, protein raises insulin levels a little, fat doesn't raise insulin levels at all. As someone upthread mentioned there is something called a 'fat fast' where you eat 90% fat for a few days to lose weight quickly or break a stall. Obviously that couldn't work if things were as simple as 'fat makes you fat'.

The low carb-high fat diet makes you feel satiated so that you spontaneously eat fewer calories without feeling hungry.

SteeleyeStan Tue 07-Jan-14 08:49:29

You might lose more weight in short term, if you hardly ate anything (ie. very low carbs and also low fat). I doubt it would be very healthy, though. From what I understand, starving yourself is likely to mess with your thyroid and cause all sorts of problems in your body on the long run, which will then make it harder for your to lose weight (and make you feel crap).

PseudoBadger Tue 07-Jan-14 08:54:06

Woke up this morning (after dd finally accepting sleep at 2am!) and am barely hungry. Forced down 100g waitrose Greek yoghurt.

daisychicken Tue 07-Jan-14 09:17:36

imatot cheeseburger pie is a mince layer a bit like cottage pie or moussaka with a cheesy eggy quiche like topping!

Cheeseburger Pie

Total carbs 9c. Serves 4

Ingredients:
500g minced beef
50g finely chopped onion
150g chopped mushrooms
100mls double cream
2 heaped tablespoons of mayo
150g strong cheddar grated
3 eggs
salt & pepper to taste

Fry mince, onion and mushrooms (can omit the mushrooms here) together until cooked season to taste, drain off fat, add Lee & Perrins sauce.
Place in a greased foil covered deep pie dish, flatten with spoon (can put sliced mushrooms over the meat layer if preferred)
Beat eggs add mayo, cream and cheese.
Pour over the top of mince, drop olives around the dish and bake in oven Gas mark 5 for 20 to 25 mins until set and golden brown.
Leave to cool before taking out of pie dish, remove foil.

Optional 10 black olives

I use a glass rectangular dish about the size of A4 and I can get 6 portions.

It's yummy hot, I serve with 1-2 portions of veg, it freezes well and it's also fantastic cold with salad so great for lunchboxes.

The basic meat recipe can be adjusted by using marmite instead of Worcester sauce and using a mash to make shepherds pie or use cinnamon 1tsp instead of the WS and some tomato purée to make a moussaka base then add aubergines and an eggy feta cheesy topping.

Thanks Stuntnun I'll have a look in Tesco when I go... I usually allow a weighed portion of Brazil nuts or salted peanuts but sometimes it's nice to have a change!

heliumheart Tue 07-Jan-14 09:24:16

Morning all. smile

Well I made and ate most of an enormous vat of delicious bolognese using a Tamasin Day Lewis recipe. It contains milk and wine so not as LC as it could be, but is so good. However I seem to have eaten most of it, and didn't make the courgette noodles I planned to. I struggle to be bothered enough to make the veg I should make to go with things. This morning I had sausages and poached eggs, and am still having my morning tea with a pinch of sugar and s/s milk. Think I'll try to drop this for next week. But must eat more veg today!

Wish I could remember more of the science re. why eating fat doesn't make you fat.

Dreamingofcakeallnight Tue 07-Jan-14 09:28:48

For those struggling with eating fat/ wanting more theory this site is excellent

www.dietdoctor.com/lchf#theory

Mlig Tue 07-Jan-14 09:37:55

Is Mayo and sausages ok then? I thought sausages were carb filled?

I need to write these recipes down! Thank you xx

Dreamingofcakeallnight Tue 07-Jan-14 09:41:55

Milg- check packages. Black farmer ones are low carb. Higher the meat and lower the bulking agents means the lower carb they'll be.

heliumheart Tue 07-Jan-14 09:49:13

We had Black Farmer's Daughter ones this morning and they are 1g per 100g.

Dreamingofcakeallnight Tue 07-Jan-14 09:56:54

Milg- check packages. Black farmer ones are low carb. Higher the meat and lower the bulking agents means the lower carb they'll be.

keeponkeepinon Tue 07-Jan-14 11:14:45

Just wondering, is anyone planning on exercising through this? I have started Jillian Michaels Ripped in 30 on Sunday but I have a problem with compliance (!) and my motivation is already waning on day 3! I have a holiday at half term though and I want to do the most I can in that space of time.

Bugsylugs Tue 07-Jan-14 11:26:09

Can I ask if we are meant to be careful of dairy in the first 2 weeks is it ok to have yogurt for breakfast.
Where do you get coconut oil from? Tried local Chinese warehouse they have not been able to get it.

Arbuthnot Tue 07-Jan-14 11:30:08

My local Sainsburys sells coconut oil in the soya/gluten free/wasabi and seaweed bit (sorry, am sure there is a proper name for that section!). You can also buy it from health food shops.

LucyVFood Tue 07-Jan-14 11:32:48

This is my secret worry - if I eat too much fat my body won't use my body fat and I won't lose weight.

Four this is exactly how I feel. I've read the literature and I understand the concept but I can't bring myself to add what I see as 'too much butter' (i.e. over a scraping!) to my food.

I will try though. I do love butter. And mayo. And oil. And cream! And the sea salt butter sounded gorgeous. Does it go on celery?

ChesterDrawers Tue 07-Jan-14 11:43:10

Lucy and Four I feel exactly the same but I am embracing it. Evidence suggests it's the right way to go so who am I to argue? Let's face it, if I knew what I was on about I'd already be skinny.

For the last week I have been frying in butter and sloshing cream into stuff with abandon and it really seems to be working.

So what I am saying is, maybe leave your preconceptions to one side and give it a go. What's the worst that could happen?

SteeleyeStan Tue 07-Jan-14 11:56:54

Bugsylugs I get mine off the internet (because it's cheaper), but Holland&Barrett have it and many other health shops.

Make sure what you're buying is virgin/raw/mechanically pressed.

LittleMissDisorganized Tue 07-Jan-14 12:04:02

Lucy and Four I really recomment the Dr Briffa book that has been mentioned often. Mine came yesterday and I am converted from cynic to real hopeful believer. I guess we also can but try and then hopefully see the evidence with our own eyes.

I am a bit worried that I am hugely more overweight than most - people posting their weights (now that might be the clue? hmm) seem to be a stone or so above their target - I have at least 3 stone to lose and feel huge and a bit hopeless. <Insecure wibble>

Worry number 2 is related to addiction. I am in recovery from one addiction, and am concerned about going cold turkey on another with only internet support. Although I know that if I could do it before, I can do it now. Sugar, and sweeteners, are so powerful though. Definitely "I'm LittleMissD, and I'm a carb-addict". Just wondered if anyone shared those fears...

LucyVFood Tue 07-Jan-14 12:14:56

Thanks to everyone that responded to my fat plea. I am feeling braver about it, I think. I've just downloaded the Briffa book, so will have a go at that tonight.

I also have issues with the calories in calories out idea. I do very little exercise although I'm on my feet all day.

LittleMiss I have way more to lose than that, so don't worry! I'm definitely a sugar/carb addict too. We can support each other. I have form for falling off the wagon, so need all the giddy-ups I can get smile

heliumheart Tue 07-Jan-14 12:20:43

LittleMiss and Lucy - I also have a lot to lose, I'd say I would like to lose 4 stone at least - this time 2 years ago sadly I was 4 stone lighter and although I felt fantastic, I almost didn't recognise myself because I've always been a bit overweight - suddenly I was a size 12 at 5'8. Really need to know how to deal with it this time if/when I get back there, because I think I definitely have some psychological issue going on about being 'thin' and not feeling as though it's me somehow.

blizy Tue 07-Jan-14 12:22:24

littlemiss. I am very over weight, infact I am obese. I weigh in at 12 stone 10lbs I have already lost 2stone over the past year. I have to lose weight if I want a baby, we are starting the fertility process and I have go get my BMI down to 30 to qualify for any treatment. I am also a sugar addict, I would binge and gorge myself on chocolate, biscuits and cake. No more though I can't go on the way I was.

gussiegrips Tue 07-Jan-14 12:36:17

LittleMiss - another bloater here.

My thighs are wider than they are long. Do I win?

projectbabyweight Tue 07-Jan-14 12:42:13

I think the support we're all getting here is invaluable. Also the feedback from our own bodies will help. Even though I only started yesterday I've already felt a lovely peaceful feeling in my body, no cravings for anything and the only hunger I had was proper "stomach hunger" (then I ate, of course) rather than that "mouth hunger" you get from a carb dip. Is anyone else feeling this?

Am over the moon with this WOE, there's currently a duck roasting in the oven grin

kasbah72 Tue 07-Jan-14 12:49:06

heliumheart - that sounds very very familiar. I once got down to 3 stone lighter than I am now, which was about 2 stone lighter than I had been up to then. I loved it but was so shocked that I couldn't deal with all the positive comments. I didn't feel I deserved them. I was cross people were nice when i was thinner and was that all life was about?
Everytime I lose a bit I seem to panic and put it back on and yet I spend so much time yearning to be slimmer, fitter and happier.
I would also like some techniques to deal with this better.

Decided to soft bootcamp from yesterday despite 9 bottles of wine and half a box of chocolates and 3 cakes still in the house. Managed to have an alcohol free day yesterday for the first time in months blush and have stuck to it so far.

I am aiming for 2.5 - 3 stone loss this year. First target is 1 stone (or as close as possible) in the next 6 weeks.

BIWI Tue 07-Jan-14 13:06:39

LittleMissDisorganised - just focus on enjoying lovely food. Once you're in the swing of it, and you have got through the initial few days, you will suddenly find that you're not hungry between meals and that you have much more energy.

Other reported benefits include better skin, better sleep patterns, no IBS, no thrush, reduction/disappearance of asthma/eczema symptoms ... the list goes on!

To you, and all the others who are worrying about this WOE - trust us! It really does work. And if you do the reading about the background to it, that will/should also reassure you.

daisychicken - I like the cheeseburger pie, but there are a couple of changes I would make. First, replace the onions with shallots, and that will cut down the carbs. Or, double the amount - 100g shallots instead of 50g onion, for a better flavour. Second, I have no idea why the recipe calls for a draining of fat, seeing as we're all about the fat on a low carb diet!

encyclogirl Tue 07-Jan-14 13:08:37

Just had the most amazing lunch of salad with pate. It was so incredibly filling. My salad was so colourful and crunchy. Fab!

The fat thing is a leap of faith for sure, but I know it works. It has before for me. I already feel so much less bloated.

Think I might tackle Miranda Hart's 'Marackattack' tonight smile

gussiegrips Tue 07-Jan-14 13:10:59

Is there a list of carb content in fruit/veg?

That's the one thing I'm struggling to find on google or the links - and, whilst I thoroughly enjoyed my (gasp) bacon/egg/butter brekkie combo, the notion of giving up my 5 a day is too much to contemplate.

But, it does explain why when I eat bananas I get fatter...

gussiegrips Tue 07-Jan-14 13:13:05

Ah, found one - carb calculator. Don't know how I missed it.

20g carb a day? Is that the aim?

BIWI Tue 07-Jan-14 13:16:40

Re exercise - you don't have to exercise on Bootcamp (or on any other weight loss plan, actually). Exercise accounts for around 15-20% of weight loss, so it's mainly down to diet.

You have to exercise really hard to burn significant amounts of calories - so unless you're going to commit to it regularly and seriously, then it's much better to focus on diet.

The other thing about exercise to take into account is that as it makes you burn more calories, it also tells the body that you need more calories - i.e. it makes you hungry!

So - if you enjoy exercise and you have the time to commit to it, that's great. If you don't, and you haven't, then don't stress about it.

Tigglette Tue 07-Jan-14 13:26:05

I've been doing this for 5 days now and all is well. I'm just about through the carb flu and hope to start feeling much better over the next couple of days. Meal plan for today:-

B: Total Greek yoghurt, vanilla and cinnamon, coffee with double cream
L: mushrooms in a creamy pepper sauce with wilted spinach
D: butter chicken from the recipe thread with curly kale

And of course lots and lots of water. Also drinking bullion to help ward off cramp.

CalamityKate Tue 07-Jan-14 13:34:19

I've been thinking about trying LC.....I find some of it confusing though. How come you can have cream but not milk??

captainmummy Tue 07-Jan-14 13:42:28

Those of you who are shock at the FAT in this WOE - don't worry. You have been conditioned to fear fat, and to go for high-fibre, low-cal, low-fat, yes? I was too, and could not believe that I was allowed cream, cheese, fullfat mayo, fullfat yog;- yes you are. We are all about the natural, unprocessed (as far as poss) food and nothing is more natural than meat, low-carb veg, butter, cream....

Once you realise how 'real' food tastes, after decades (in my case) of sweetened, emulsified, bulked out gunk-food, you will never go back! Do you know how many chemicals are in 'low-fat spread'? How is that the 'healthier' choice in any way? Even the new campaign for 'healthier' fizzy drinks has me shouting at the screen - go for low-cal, sugar-free?angry How about fizzy water? Why advocate more chemicals?

And you need never be hungry again.

This really is a Way Of Eating. As BIWI says, the benefits are many. High-carb is implicated in some cancers, diabetes, mood swings, PMS, IBS, rosacea, asthma, eczema, etc. My own experieince is that my rosacea has gone, eczema gone, I have more energy... I'm sure I can think of more.

captainmummy Tue 07-Jan-14 13:43:07

Calamity - milk has more carbs than Cream! Simple as that.

LauraBridges Tue 07-Jan-14 13:47:32

Good points captain. I was at our gym yesterday (just for a steam.. I must be the most relaxed gym user in history).... and on one of the machines selling junk drinks the ad said "100% hydration". I felt like putting a sticker on saying this machine sells a processed, junk drink, just drink tap water for even better 100% hydration.

Natural foods with lots of natural fat are good. They make us feel good.
You don't have to have dairy though if it does not work for you. I sometimes have it and always regret it sadly (cheese, cream) as it makes my throat hurt,. Clearly I am not someone adapted to or whose body likes most dairy products.

CalamityKate Tue 07-Jan-14 13:51:22

How many carbs per day should you have in order to lose weight?

Can you have cheese? Some sources say yes, some no!

Tigglette Tue 07-Jan-14 13:59:10

You just need to follow the Bootcamp rules, which are linked to unthread. No counting or obsessing over macro nutrients required. Seriously, if you follow the rules you'll do absolutely fine. It is worth doing some reading to get your head round the science of low carbing - John Briffa's book comes highly recommended and is a good place to start.

Day 2 of low carb here. I'm pretty much following bootcamp I think, but did have some ground almonds mixed in with my Greek yoghurt & cream this morning (yum!)

The thing I'm most amazed about so far is that I'm actually enjoying drinking coffee with double cream, no sugar or sweetener! I've always had such a sweet tooth and have never been able to tolerate hot drinks without before, really hoping this can change my tastebuds for good.

Also loving all the meals - especially now I've had time to do a food shop - leftover fish stew for breakfast yesterday was just a little too strange for me!! grin

StuntNun Tue 07-Jan-14 14:03:26

Calamity milk is quite carby - 10g in a 200ml glass whereas a glass of double cream brilliant idea there would only have 3g of carbs.

Some people can lose weight on a low carb diet while eating dairy products while other people find it stalls their weight loss. I tolerate dairy pretty well but I have noticed that my nose is less blocked and my allergies aren't as bad since I went low carb.

Kefybaby Tue 07-Jan-14 14:04:12

Is miso soup allowed? The itsu packs have 5.1g of carbs.

Also, natural yogurts seem to vary a lot in terms of carb content. The yeo valley one I had for breakfasts seems to have double the carbs of the total one. What is the "acceptable" limit? 6g per 100g, as per the veg?

captainmummy Tue 07-Jan-14 14:23:43

I eat cheese, calamity - i think in moderation it's fine.

Better - your tastebuds will really notice anything sweet after a while on Bootcamp! I've never had a sweet tooth and now can barely tolerate anything sweet. Your tastes change really quickly.
Kefy - miso soup is fine. Quite surprised that they shown 5.1g - is that per 100g? And un-made-up? The one I have is lower than that. (will try to find it)
We usually try to keep to about 3/100g carbs. Some yogs are higher than this - try the Lidl one; it's about 3g and about quarter of the price of Total! (called Eridaneous - comes in a big paint-like tub) Some are higher than others (Yeo valley being one of the higher) - choose a low-carb,full fat one.

CalamityKate Tue 07-Jan-14 14:24:08

I cannot - CANNOT - drink tea or coffee wi no sweetener. I can accept - just - sweetener rather than sugar but absolutely can't drink it without anything sad

Will that completely sabotage the diet??

CalamityKate Tue 07-Jan-14 14:24:35

With. Not wi. I'm not Scottish.

BIWI Tue 07-Jan-14 14:24:54

That's a lot of carbs in one go, Kefy - especially on Bootcamp. You should be aiming to get your carbs mainly from vegetables and salad at this stage. I doubt very much that there is much fat in your miso soup, so it will end up being not very filling and costly in terms of the carbs.

Re the yoghurt, I have no idea why they vary so much! Total full fat yoghurt is under 4g carbs per 100g; I believe the Lidl one is also low, but I don't have a Lidl near me so can't confirm that.

Again, 6g carbs per 100g during Bootcamp is actually quite a lot - and you don't get much yoghurt for 100g

CalamityKate Tue 07-Jan-14 14:25:38

Is double cream lower in carbs than single then?

CalamityKate Tue 07-Jan-14 14:27:50

I had a slice of brown toast with butter and marmite this morning, then a tin of tuna, some lettuce, a sprinkle of grated cheese and a squirt of salad cream for lunch; I've noticed on other diets how filling tuna is!

encyclogirl Tue 07-Jan-14 14:32:39

I know from previous experiences with LC that exercise had no bearing on weight loss, I just want to build some in to help up my cardio fitness which is currently at nil.

I agree that we are all conditioned to fear fat. Also we're conditioned to believe that we need carbs. The bad carbs. When I tell people I can get my carbs from veggies, the response is always "pffftt, they're not REAL carbs!"

I must admit I'm doing this WOE on the down low. I have one particular food police type of colleague who seems to take it personally if anyone stops eating bad carbs. The lecture that follows is painful, albeit I'm more than capable of putting her back in her box, I just don't need to be food policed by anyone.

She's onto me after my paté salad today I think though.

tenementfunster Tue 07-Jan-14 14:33:13

I had mushrooms stuffed with a little bit of Xmas Stilton and bacon and eggs for breakfast.
Glad we're having a warm up thread. Have enjoyed the Xmas over eating immensely - I can't lie- but the damage has been minimal. I ate some bread and biscuits over Xmas and I never learn that actually it gives me stomach ache every time !
Thanks as ever, for everyone's support and top tips.

BIWI Tue 07-Jan-14 14:33:53

Yoghurt is great, btw, and even people who can't tolerate dairy sometimes find that they are OK with it - but it's probably best to try and save it for Bootcamp Light.

projectbabyweight Tue 07-Jan-14 14:40:45

Yes tenementfunster - I had loads of wheat on Sunday (v unusual for me) and was so knocked out I fell asleep on the sofa at the dc's bedtime! Forced myself up again and had a tummy ache all evening.

heliumheart Tue 07-Jan-14 14:42:13

blizy - I had to get my weight down to under 30 before starting IVF a few years ago, I literally ate nothing for the three days beforehand and turned up wearing a flimsy summer dress and tights in the middle of winter just so that it would help on the scales. I registered at 29.9 and got away with it grin Best of luck with losing weight and with meeting those targets..x

Kefybaby Tue 07-Jan-14 14:43:35

Ah, shame about the miso soup! Captain, it is 5.1g for the 25g itsu (one portion) pack (paste to be mixed with water). I am glad I started this week. It will take me a week to iron out all the "mistakes". blush

captainmummy Tue 07-Jan-14 15:58:55

calamity - you may not have noticed, but bread is high-carb! Doesn't matter if it's brown,white,granary etc - we don't eat it! grin

CalamityKate Tue 07-Jan-14 16:21:45

Yeah I know - I haven't committed to the LC thing as yet!

I could quite happily do without bread; the real sticking point for me would be doing without sugar or at least sweetener in tea and coffee. I love the IDE of being allowed cream in coffee though!

CalamityKate Tue 07-Jan-14 16:22:07

Idea.

alacarte Tue 07-Jan-14 16:30:10

hey can I join? have chunked on some weight over Christmas and want to get it back off smile

Gerrythetootallgiraffeswife Tue 07-Jan-14 16:34:26

Another one here struggling to get my head around all the fat, but I'm going to embrace it! Also, someone was asking about how much we had to lose. I have 5st to get to the top of my healthy weight, do I win?!?

Today:

B: 3 eggs scrambled with cheddar, spinach and a splash of Tabasco

L: tuna and egg salad with lashings of homemade dressing AND mayo (really? Can I really do this?!) and a cheese string (I know it's processed, but I need something easy to snack on)

D: will be good quality sausages (have checked carb content) with buttery celeriac mash and veg.

Started full bootcamp yesterday. Have had a slump this afternoon, is this carb flu? I'm knackered.

Need some ideas for snacks, preferably snacks that I can slather with butter and take to work. Also, need ideas on how to keep costs down. I'm struggling with my food budget now I can't use pasta and potatoes to pad things out!

BIWI Tue 07-Jan-14 16:39:48

Once you'r properly 'into' low carving you should find that the need to snack is vastly minimised.

It's interesting how it's become normal to plan in our snacks, isn't it? And all that that reflects is the grip that carbs have on us. Because we eat a high carb breakfast we're hungry at 11.00 am; because we eat a high carb lunch we're hungry at 3.00 pm.

Once your blood sugars are more stable, you really won't have to do this! That's not to say you'll never need to snack, or you'll never get hungry between meals, but it will be much less significant for you and you won't have to worry about being 'caught short' without a snack in your bag!

gussiegrips Tue 07-Jan-14 18:45:15

Here's my worry - does it work on feeling satiated?

Because, I don't necessarily eat because I am hungry...I eat because I am sad. Or, happy. Or, busy. Or, bored. Or, whatever.

But, I've followed it today (not perfectly, no doubt) and, I don't FEEL like picking. Not even the biscuits and chocs lurking since after Christmas. Is this to be expected, or is it early enthusiasm?

Those of you who do it - do you still eat for emotional reasons, assuming you ever did?

SayraT Tue 07-Jan-14 19:05:19

I know gussie, I'm the same. I don't eat because I am hungry either, I think if I did I probably wouldn't have 6 stone to lose!!

In saying that though, even though biscuits were being passed round at work I didn't have any, long may that continue!

Had a lovely dinner tonight, it reminded me of the leftover dinner my granny used to make me on Mondays after Sunday dinner:

B: Total yogurt, cumberland sausage and coffee with cream
L: 2 sauages and broccoli
S: Carrot and cumber sticks and some cheese cubes
D: Leftover roast chicken cooked in cream with green beans, mushrooms and bacon grin

SayraT Tue 07-Jan-14 19:06:02

Obviously I meant CUcumber, no idea what cumber is!

SteeleyeStan Tue 07-Jan-14 19:06:58

gussie I had bulimia when I was younger, and though I got over that, it still left me a big time emotional eater. I had to be really strict with not having any carbs and snacks lying around to begin with. It's a much bigger effort to have to get to the shops for that impulsive comfort eat. I'm not 100% over this I guess, since I'll still eat crap if we happen to have it. But I don't have that same urge to turn to snacks all the time.

For those with more to lose - stick with it! It took me a while to really get the hang of LC when I was starting, so I didn't have a huge immediate weight loss, but once I got going I lost 5st in c. two years. smile It's so worth the initial wobbles!

StuntNun Tue 07-Jan-14 19:08:30

Lidl Greek style yoghurt is 3.2 g per 100 g and costs about £1.50 for a kilogram so it's much cheaper than Total. It's runnier than Total though so you tend to eat more of it whereas I find Total fills you up pretty quickly because it's so thick.

Gussie it's much harder to overeat on a low carb diet. I recommend you just follow the rules and see how you go. When I started last June I lost 6 lb the first week and 3 lb the second week. If you see results like that then you'll be converted to this WOE. I didn't even start low carbing in order to lose weight, it was because I was having terrible mood swings due to hunger as my blood sugar plummeted every couple of hours. Losing 30 lb in five months was a delightful side effect of lovely stable blood sugar!

Kefybaby Tue 07-Jan-14 19:32:17

Coleslaw: yay or nay?

LucyVFood Tue 07-Jan-14 19:39:40

Can anyone help with lunch ideas? I'm at work full time with no facilities to warm anything up or prepare anything, although we do have a fridge. I don't mind salad, but that seems to be all I'm taking.

Suzymoo9 Tue 07-Jan-14 20:24:53

Phew - just resisted some pizza I made for my son tonight - the moment has passed but the craving was so strong!

Like the other newbies I am feeling strange having so much butter & cream with eggs and veg - but am giving it a good go!

It's really useful reading people's posts & food ideas - thanks!

Suzymoo9 Tue 07-Jan-14 20:26:01

PS Onken full fat plain yogurt is lovely and mild and I think is low enough in carbs (3.7g)

Piscivorus Tue 07-Jan-14 20:54:32

Was doing well. I'd had:
B - 2 eggs scrambled with cream, rasher bacon
L - Curried cauliflower soup, slice of salmon and feta bake
T - Meatloaf with a spoonful salsa and sour cream dip, cauliflower, courgette

Few cups of tea, loads of water then felt a bit peckish and ate too many macadamia nuts blush Anyway my theory is that it is still less bad than before when my slip-ups would have been a bar of chocolate or sandwiches

heliumheart Tue 07-Jan-14 20:55:47

Kefy - check the carb content and see. If they're made with mayonnaise I'd say they're probably fine, but I bet there's a huge variation between brands.

I just had steak and finally managed to incorporate some vegetable matter into my diet - made the savoy cabbage with cream, parmesan and bacon mentioned on the recipe thread. It was amazing. I'm not sure I needed to eat the whole lot though hmm

heliumheart Tue 07-Jan-14 20:58:50

Pisci - I'm going to try my damnedest to avoid nuts completely. They are the devil's work. If I eat one I eat a million.

I remember when I last low-carbed I tried really hard to notice if I ever ate anything compulsively and decided that if I did, that probably meant something bad in itself and therefore I shouldn't eat it at all. Peanut butter was first on the hit list.

Struggling to think of much else that is like that, although in general if something's tasty and creamy/parmesanny/garlicky (much like the cabbage dish tonight) I'm powerless to resist.

BIWI Tue 07-Jan-14 21:07:51

Be careful with coleslaw - the carb counts vary enormously. Make sure you check the back of the pack and work out how much you are actually eating.

Piscivorus Tue 07-Jan-14 21:09:01

You can make your own coleslaw, it's much nicer and far lower carb than bought stuff

BIWI Tue 07-Jan-14 21:09:13

Today for me:

B = 2 x boiled eggs
L = leftover roast chicken and spicy cauliflower 'rice'
snack = plain yoghurt
D = roasted pork fillet, stuffed with halloumi, shallot, garlic, chilli and 'sunfresh' tomatoes (only a few of those!), with celeriac chips and courgettes fried with red onion

And so far at least 2 litres of water

BIWI Tue 07-Jan-14 21:10:00

Oh, and I've bought a bottle of PLJ which I'm putting in my sparkling water. Only a small amount, but it adds a lovely sharpness to it.

captainmummy Tue 07-Jan-14 21:15:07

Kefy - I make my own coleslaw, with chopped leeks, cabbage and carot in mayo.
Nuts are indeed the work of the devil - keep them for bootcamp light (she says, with brazils and macadamias in the larder) - having said that, macadamias are the lowest carb...Peanuts are the worst, being legumes rather than nuts (we don't eat pulses )
It's a good idea to have low-carb snacks in the fridge, like cold sausages, slices of meat, hardboiled eggs, cubes of cheese, chopped celery/cucumber etc.
alacarte - of coure you can join!

PseudoBadger Tue 07-Jan-14 21:25:05

Today:

Breakfast - Waitrose Greek yoghurt

Snacks and drinks Ham, cheddar cheese, Tea and milk x 2, Coffee with cream

Lunch - Hot smoked salmon with mayo (this is delicious!), lettuce, celery, cucumber, PE dressing

Dinner- Sausages, celeriac and leek gratin, spinach fried in butter.

ChesterDrawers Tue 07-Jan-14 21:48:08

Pretty sure I've screwed up today sad. A combination of getting in from work hungry (not enough lunch and no snacks to hand), DS throwing the mother of all tantrums at bedtime and DH being stuck on train due to weather (just got in two mins ago) led me to eat:

Bowl of Total and double cream, three big chunks of cheese, a handful of naive ham, six cheese crisps (cheese piles baked in oven), teaspoon of peanut butter, and a coffee with cream.

That's all I've had this evening, but I feel really disappointed with myself. Arrggghhhh, why do I always do this?

PseudoBadger Tue 07-Jan-14 21:51:14

Naive ham? grin

ChesterDrawers Tue 07-Jan-14 21:51:23

Naice

captainmummy Tue 07-Jan-14 21:55:13

Chester - what do you think you've done wrong? Apart from th peanut butter? grin

captainmummy Tue 07-Jan-14 21:57:35

It's a little cheese/cream heavy, but add some green leaves and lots of water and it's a good'un

ChesterDrawers Tue 07-Jan-14 22:02:48

I'm only a week in and found it tough today. I'm usually a massive emotional eater and felt a bit bingey and out of control. Not felt like that all week and it took me by surprise.

I've had loads of water today so am ok on that front, just a bit scared about the high dairy.

Bloody peanut butter was a complete fuckit moment too.

<wanders off to the fridge to binge on lettuce to cover all food groups>

HumphreyCobbler Tue 07-Jan-14 22:06:48

Chester, that doesn't sound that bad. Be kind to yourself. I am on day two and I ate TWO porksteaks fried in butter (along with half a cauliflower mashed up with butter, fried leeks and cream cheese, it was delish) for my evening meal.

Do you know if dairy stalls you? It only stalled me when I was nearing the end of my weightloss last time.

ChesterDrawers Tue 07-Jan-14 22:12:59

I don't know of dairy stalls me, but I suspect I might be about to find out hmm

ChesterDrawers Tue 07-Jan-14 22:14:02

Oh FFS, if dairy stalls me.

Dairy clearly makes me lose the ability to preview posts.

ElBombero Tue 07-Jan-14 22:15:47

Started today due to LOs being away so can have a really good go without their treats everyone. Went to Farmfoods on a recommendation n bought 3 whole chickens for £10. Cooked n had some some broccoli, 'twas heaven grin

fizzly Tue 07-Jan-14 22:18:09

DH and I both suffering from carb flu big time. Fortunately not the first time we've done this WOE o we know that it's going to get better, but jeez I'm not enjoying it at all.

Today:
B: 2 boiled eggs with butter
L: Spinach/celeriac soup with some chicken carbonara left overs from last night on the side.
Snacks: cucumbers, pepper (bit carby?), probably too much cheese
D: Roast chicken with a little asparagus and quite a lot of fried red cabbage and kale.

Possibly not enough water but am trying to make up for it this evening which means I'll be peeing all night. Yahoo...

ElBombero Tue 07-Jan-14 22:20:00

Bought some courgette today, have read somewhere how to cook it like pasta but can't find it again now. Any advice?

lucy. Yes it works on celery - it goes with ANYTHING. I am a BIG fan!!!

Ruprekt Tue 07-Jan-14 22:26:47

Facebook has a Low Carbing Amongst Friends page.....great recipes.

Ditch the wheat is good too.smile

HumphreyCobbler Tue 07-Jan-14 22:33:35

when I eat courgette instead of pasta I peel it into ribbons with a veg peeler, toss it in olive oil and bung it in the microwave. Seems to work well, not sure if this is the proper method or not.

alacarte Tue 07-Jan-14 22:38:40

Breakfast: 2 poached eggs, leeks sautéed in butter, mayonnaise, salad
no lunch, no dinner yet hmm but I pigged out on honey roasted nuts, dammit. Need to get my head back in this game again!

ElBombero Tue 07-Jan-14 22:50:45

Ta Humphrey, how long for?

I'm easing into it. Made cauliflower rice today and had it with chilli (using up what's in the freezer) and cheese. It was delish! I also had one, smallish, M&S chocolate truffle but it was only 3.9g carb grin

Is Quorn allowed or is it too carby?

Kefybaby Tue 07-Jan-14 23:14:50

Thanks for the responses on coleslow. It was the coop one - 5.3g of carbs per 100g. It is mayo and cream based, which sounded encouraging. Captain, I love the sound of your coleslow recipe and will give it a go - thanks.

CrabbyWinterBottom Wed 08-Jan-14 00:06:33

shock You've all started without me!! grin

I was going to ease into bootcamp light this week but I keep thinking 'just one more slice of bread/bowl of pasta...' blush

Definitely starting Monday though.

Maryz Wed 08-Jan-14 00:09:13

I'm easing Crabby.

I had a cooked breakfast, followed by a coffee and a scone.

I then had a fantastic dinner (cooked by ds, so it was even better) of savoury mince with vegetables and a cream/cheese sauce (no carbs).

Followed by a crunchie.

So I'm easing very gently grin

ChippingInWadesIn Wed 08-Jan-14 00:18:44

southsearoacks - Quorn varies wildly in the carb g per 100 g - check the packets. I try not to have too much of it as I don't think it's that healthy, but when I do I have the 'Chicken Style Pieces' as they are only 1g of carbs per 100g. The fillets are much higher - I think it must be whatever 'binds' them?! I only eat it at all because I'm vegetarian, if I wasn't I'd avoid it.

Crabby that's exactly why I started Bootcamp Proper today - I can't do 'easing in' grin

Today: Day 1 (of this Bootcamp - long term low carber who leapt off the wagon big style for Christmas - complete and utter Carby Twat grin)

Brunch - Rocket, raddish, cherry toms (3.5g per 100 according to the wrapping), whole avocado, Taifun basil infused ready to eat tofu, egg free mayo (not ideal, but needs must), Food Doctor seeds.

Dinner - brocolli, courgette, spinach in a cheese sauce (cream & grated cheese with mustard & black pepper), quorn (loads - gulp - 250g of the chicken style pieces but it stopped me having anything carby).

No snacks.

Two cups of coffee with a 'glug' of full fat milk - I hate cream in coffee (too sweet) and this is my sanity saver right now - I've given up lattes & I can't give up coffee this week too - otherwise there will be carnage grin I'm trying to keep the milk to a minimum.

2l of water - which is good, but I'm aiming for more.

ChippingInWadesIn Wed 08-Jan-14 00:20:03

Mary - that's exactly the kind of 'easing' I'd do too! Hence Bootcamp Proper!! mainly because I have to have my bloods done soon and I need to sort them out!!!

Maryz Wed 08-Jan-14 00:36:28

Bootcamp proper for me from Monday.

I can't really do half-and-half either (hence the crunchie).

ChippingInWadesIn Wed 08-Jan-14 01:00:06

Do you need me to send you some pork scratchings grin

BIWI Wed 08-Jan-14 06:31:51

grin

BIWI Wed 08-Jan-14 06:36:53
BIWI Wed 08-Jan-14 06:44:00

... although

a) it's American, so references American foodstuffs that we might not necessarily have

b) it recommends some artificial stuff - not brilliant

PseudoBadger Wed 08-Jan-14 07:51:50

I like the blog, but to my inexperienced eye her meal plan is a bit veg light? Am I right?

Maryz Wed 08-Jan-14 07:57:04

I have pork to make scratchings.

I have butter.

I have cream.

I don't suppose easing in involves eating loads of fat and my usual carbs, does it?

heliumheart Wed 08-Jan-14 08:01:50

Hmm my daily weighing (I know I know) shows me that I am one pound heavier two days into this. The only non-bootcamp thing I've been doing is having two cups of tea a day with a splash of milk and 1/2 tsp sugar. Now having anxieties that This Isn't Going To Work For Me.

Maryz Wed 08-Jan-14 08:03:10

Two days is waaaaaaaaaaaaaayyyyy to soon to give up.

You need two weeks minimum. And the first three or four days are the most difficult - your body is (as that blog said) having a tantrum. You have to ignore it. It gets better, honestly.

heliumheart Wed 08-Jan-14 08:03:57

<chastised>

Off to read the blog.

Plonkysaurus Wed 08-Jan-14 08:10:39

Well knock me over with a feather no, I'm still too fat for that to actually work

Yesterday (bc day 2) I ate
B - flaxseed muffin with the tiniest scraping of almond butter
L - two chicken drumsticks and a salad, lots of Mayo
D - coconut turkey curry with broccoli, red pepper, peanut butter and soy.

I had to force dinner into me. Drank so much water and still had a headache/was completely shattered. But I think I'm out the other side of the dreaded carb flu. I woke feeling refreshed and looking forward to the day. And I've lost two pounds in two days! 16 lbs to go to my ideal weight.

captainmummy Wed 08-Jan-14 08:17:41

Thoise of you 'easing' into bootcamp proper - please be aware that high-fat/low-carb plus high-carb (potaotes,bread,crunchies!) is a recipe for disaster! And it's what got us into this mess in the first place.

Heliumheart - you know daily weighing is going to show fluctuations, due to hormone activity, water retention, bowel movements - that's why we weigh weekly. If you do weigh daily, chart it, but don't fixatre on it, as you can quite easily then think 'fuckit' and chuck it in. As Maryz says, 2 days is nothing.

Plonkysaurus Wed 08-Jan-14 08:31:55

I think CaptainMummy's right. But those crunches are mighty yummy. I have to confess, I was so craving something sweet last night that I did something incredibly shameful. I had a glug of cream straight out of the pot blush. It killed both the craving and my dignity.

helium don't be downhearted. Give it a few weeks and see if there's an acceptable level of change. Personally the thought of moving on to boot camp light is really motivating for me, as that's how I like to eat anyway. Like pp said, your body is having a tantrum. Ignore it!

Arbuthnot Wed 08-Jan-14 08:38:27

Well I have had two days of excess- but non-carb excess and instead of putting on weight nothing has changed, which is amazing. I know that BIWI said no calorie counting but I did just to see anyway and have eaten well over 2500 calories with loads of fat. I am now hopefully off binge mode so if I can eat properly but with this way of eating the sky is the limit!
I think that I couldn't get my head around the idea of high fat being ok so was testing it and it turns out that you are all right grin

Maryz Wed 08-Jan-14 09:06:39

I know captainmummy [chastised]

This is why I should have just fecking well started. But I knew i was going to have a shit week, so maybe better to wait.

I dunno confused

I don't know why I didn't stick with it last time. I felt so much better without carbs, even ignoring the weight loss. Christmas without chocolate and wine just seemed impossible to contemplate, so I gave in.

ChesterDrawers Wed 08-Jan-14 09:15:44

Eggs in clouds - amazing shock

That is all.

googoogoggles Wed 08-Jan-14 09:53:48

Hi all
Posting not reading - will catch up this eve
Am doing a BC light max this week - low carb, high fat with yog/berries, few nuts, cream, cheese and there will be a glass or two of white wine at the weekend (got a 'do') but then strictly BC from Monday...
After drinking back coffee for years, will now find it hard to do without a big glug of cream in it!
Yesterday:
B Coffee with cream x 3 ( over whole morning)
L cold frittata (3eggs, courgettes and spring onions with few chunks of feta)
D leftover braised beef stew with courgette pasta (done in butter) plus strawberries in Total yog with grated vanilla (mill thing)
(Not enough water - hv got to get that sorted from nxt week)
Hope everyone is doing okay!

googoogoggles Wed 08-Jan-14 09:54:42

That is a LOT of food but I am a greedy guzzler.....

BIWI Wed 08-Jan-14 10:03:15

heliumheart - don't be downhearted!

There are three things I will say:

- daily weighing is a bit of a nightmare if a slight increase is going to send you into a frenzy of disappointment. Your body's weight fluctuates naturally, as has been said above (also dependent on where you are in your menstrual cycle)

- it's only 2 days! Everyone is different and will lose weight differently and at different rates. You really need to give it a good week

- whenever people say they've been following the rules I can guarantee that usually they haven't been grin. We'll ignore the little matter of the teaspoon of sugar for the moment - but have you been drinking enough water? Have you been eating enough fat? Really? wink

The other thing to take into account is how much weight you actually need to lose - if you haven't got masses to lose, then you won't lose as much as someone who has loads.

Stick with the knitting, as Pistey might say ...

Maryz Wed 08-Jan-14 10:17:38

Oh, one other thing to the complete novices, put in simple terms as I don't really know the science:

When you start, you will be hungry because your body will be craving carbs. So even following the rules you will want to eat A LOT.

After about 3 or 4 days, I stopped feeling hungry. Although I still craved the taste of sugar, I was no longer actually hungry for it.

So the first few days I ate like a horse and was very concerned that i would put on weight. By the end of the first week, I had stabilised a bit, and it started falling off.

alacarte Wed 08-Jan-14 10:18:05

Hey again. Dinner last night ended up being bbq wings. A little high in carbs, but at least I didn't eat anything carby with it.

So far have had poached eggs, courgette and a little bit of tomato. Must remember to drink loads of water. I think I had about 6 glasses yesterday, must drink more!

PseudoBadger Wed 08-Jan-14 10:31:24

Greek yoghurt (waitrose) first thing, then a 2 egg omelette with ham, mushrooms and cheese cooked in butter just now. Yum!

LittleMissDisorganized Wed 08-Jan-14 10:51:21

Really great encouragement here - thanks for all the tips that we can all glean (even/ especially when they're addressed to someone else or newcomers in general).

Can I just ask about soya - I currently use unsweetened soya milk and would usually eat soya yogurt (Alpro, 2.1g carbs/ 100g). Are they ok? The yogurt is lower in fat than the Greek yogurt which might be the problem.

I am sensitive, certainly not intolerant, of lactose, usually fine with cheese but I have other dairy in moderation, I find cream is ok if it's cooked/ heated (must do something to the proteins??). I am thinking that once all the carbs are gone from my system... I might find dairy is not so bad at all.

Am reading recipes and writing shopping list and please God may I be allowed to stand/ walk after clinic this afternoon and life can start moving again.

HumphreyCobbler Wed 08-Jan-14 11:19:37

Good Luck LittleMiss. It must have been so hard, being immobile for so long. Having severe SPD for two months gave me a small insight into life with mobility issues.

I have just made ds's birthday cake. It was very hard not to lick the bowl. I threw it into the sink quickly and squirted washing up liquid all over it.

projectbabyweight Wed 08-Jan-14 11:27:54

LittleMissDisorganized have you tried the Lactofree stuff? They do milk (including full fat), cream cheese and cream smile

heliumheart Wed 08-Jan-14 11:42:27

Thanks for the support. I know I'm being ridiculous.

BIWI - yesterday I had poached eggs and sausages for breakfast, bolognese with parmesan for lunch (made with high fat mince, but it did have carrot/celery/shallot), and then steak with creamy parmesan cabbage for supper. I don't think I was short of fat - I seemed to scarf almost a whole savoy cabbage with 100g bacon, prob approaching 100ml double cream and parmesan blush. I am a greedy fecker grin I drank about 2.5l of water yesterday, could probably have drunk more.

Today I've had my breakfast tea and a cheese omelette, as well as a small amount of F/F natural yoghurt.

Am feeling surprisingly in the zone... smile

BewitchedBotheredandBewildered Wed 08-Jan-14 11:59:40

PseudoBadger's really helpful post at 10pm on Sunday, listing carb count of veg. says carrots twice - 2.5 and 6.0! Which is correct please?I'm guessing 6 sad

I can't find anything about pulses, assume they're a no-no?

I really,really want a huge hunk of bloomer! (bread, not knickers!)

Maryz Wed 08-Jan-14 12:08:00

No you don't BBB.

You want an entire frying pan of mushrooms done in butter with a spoonful of mustard and half a pound of butter.

Really, you do.

BIWI Wed 08-Jan-14 12:14:08

Argh - sorry BBB - I keep editing that but forgetting which list I've edited! The difference is between old and young carrots, apparently, but as I have no clue how you tell if a carrot is old or young, I've always assume the higher carb count. The other thing about carrots is that they are very dense, so you can end up eating a lot of carbs if you're not careful.

Helium - nothing wrong with celery or shallots! Did you check the carb count of your sausages? Some of them are shockingly high. The only other thing I would say - although it's probably a bit early at the moment to know - is just keep an eye on how much dairy you're eating. That can impede weight loss for some people.

LittleMissDisorganized Wed 08-Jan-14 12:29:38

babyweight is Lactofree better carb-wise? It still has milk proteins in even though the lactose is out so on a brief trial I didn't find it any better, and milk protein explains why cooked is ok. At least that's my understanding... I am not terribly knowledgeable about intolerances/allergies. But if that's a better option I'd re-try it - like I say give it a couple of weeks and the new WOE may have an additional positive effect on my intestines.

TinTinsSexySister Wed 08-Jan-14 12:32:01

Marking my place...

keeponkeepinon Wed 08-Jan-14 13:11:49

Feeling really really shattered and frankly pretty low- could this be a form of carb flu? I remember when I did it in the past I would get bad headaches but I am not feeling that now, only feeling low and like I can't get out of bed in the morning. Maybe its the dark days too. I am hoping it passes in a few days tho.

Feeling like this is putting me in the danger zone for eating some crap - as if its going to make me better...when did it ever! Maybe its just carb flu after all and the cravings. Will stay away from the childrens chocolate. ...will stay away from the children's chocolate. ...

BIWI Wed 08-Jan-14 13:14:33

Sounds like carb flu to me - eat plenty of fat, drink plenty of water, keep up your salt levels and make sure you're getting potassium and magnesium - avocado, spinach and salmon are all good for that

encyclogirl Wed 08-Jan-14 13:15:51

Ds13 follows a lot of professional rugby players on Instagram. It’s really interesting to see how they eat (they’re always posting pics of their food).

High on protein, high on veggies, high on good fats, extremely low on carbs.

Maryz Wed 08-Jan-14 13:23:28

encyclo, do you have any links for that? It sounds like something ds2 would be very interested in.

At the moment, he is just eating everything - all the fats I eat, every bit of protein I can afford and all the carbs he can get his hands on.

And he wants protein to drink - he simply can't keep full, and is losing rather than gaining weight the fucker

SteeleyeStan Wed 08-Jan-14 13:25:49

I'm feeling horrible today. I really wasn't expecting any carb flu, since I've been on c. 50g carbs a day since NY already. Oh well, it'll pass. So tired and headachy though...

I got curious about Dr. Briffa's book, since so many have mentioned it. It was only £2.99 on Kindle, so I'm reading it now. Only half-way through, but yes I'd also recommend that.

Today's foods for me:
B: Had yesterday's meatballs with fried slices of courgette (didn't fancy eggs).
L: Boiled egg with mayo, celery sticks with philadephia, coffee with coconut oil and double cream.
D: Salmon or trout (whichever looks nicer in shop) and raw spinach (again if it looks fresh).

Sitting here trying to mealplan and write a shopping list, but brain not working.

Struggling a bit today. Not carb flu, just super hungry! Is that usual for day 3?

So far today I've had
Two coffees with double cream (one first thing & one mid-morning)
B: chorizo, leeks & eggs scrambled in butter
L: wasn't hungry before lunch so didn't feel like cooking - had Greek yoghurt with double cream, vanilla extract & a small amount of ground almonds (weaning myself off ready for Monday!) but now my stomach won't stop grumbling!!!

Pork belly slices with roasted broccoli tonight which I'm really looking forward to, but think I'm going to need a snack to get me through the afternoon!

Also a bit concerned about how much double cream I'm having - happy with all the other fatty things I'm eating - it's not an anti-fat worry - but I seem to have replaced my emotional eating need with creamy coffees...only 2-3 a day but it soon adds up!

encyclogirl Wed 08-Jan-14 13:34:00

Hi Maryz, He follows Cian Healy; Piri Weepu; Quade Cooper; James Haskell and loads of others whos names escape me.

Here is Piri Weepu's Instagram account: http://instagram.com/piriweepu1049

He's the scrum half for the All-Blacks.

BewitchedBotheredandBewildered Wed 08-Jan-14 13:34:50

Yikes, I couldn't eat that many mushrooms without heaving, and am struggling to get my head round the butter. Is olive oil not as good?

Goodness, don't apologise BIWI, thanks for the answer. No peas, beans lentils etc. then?

I bought the bread but I won't eat it smile, I had omelette with a bit of chorizo instead.

encyclogirl Wed 08-Jan-14 13:39:41

Also Maryz ds13 plays rugby and is never, ever, full. Of course he's fit as a butchers dog and can eat whatever the hell he likes.

He is trying to emulate his heroes now though and eat 'clean', but he's prone to a bucket of chicken (with no ramifications) too!

Maryz Wed 08-Jan-14 13:44:46

Thanks, I'll suggest that to him. To be fair, he will eat as much healthy food as I can afford to buy him. But meat, fresh vegetables etc in the quantities he and ds1 eat are killing us financially.

ds2 is 15 and plays (I just calculated) over 20 hours of sport a week. Not including PE at school. Or lifesaving, which is an extra 2 hours, but apparently doesn't count as sport.

So I suppose I shouldn't resent how much he eats.

BBandB, you really need to up the fat, somehow, otherwise you will be hungry, and you will eat the bread at least I do

encyclogirl Wed 08-Jan-14 13:48:49

Ooh look at this, never thought of doing this, an omelette roll. From my good friend Peri Weepu...

instagram.com/p/hsRD7ujJIL/

EvaTheOptimist Wed 08-Jan-14 14:21:47

Bewitched olive oil is great, if you prefer it. No peas/beans/pulses I', afraid.

BetterTogether I'm pretty sure one of the rules is Eat If You're Hungry. Just make it low-carb. cheese, olives, more greek yoghurt, a quick salad with dressing, cold meat... or even whip up a scrambled egg?

HumphreyCobbler Wed 08-Jan-14 14:25:26

I felt v spaced out this morning and found that exercise was really difficult energy wise, so I had some low salt to quickly replenish my potassium levels. It worked in about ten minutes.

HumphreyCobbler Wed 08-Jan-14 14:28:44

Have decorated the cake with chocolate icing and chocolate buttons.

It is like torture blush

The thing is, I know that another week and I won't be tempted by it! It just came too early.

We will be having his birthday meal at Pizza Express. Had a look at the menu and there are salads, though I bet loads of sugar in the dressing. Wonder if they would let me dress salad myself? grin

CrabbyWinterBottom Wed 08-Jan-14 14:48:04

Maryz that's my kind of easing in too! blush I think I'm trying to cram in all the things I won't be eating for the next few months.

Chipping I can't do moderation either - it's got to be all or nothing for me. I'm looking forward to all the low carb food that I haven't eaten since I became an utter carby twat stepped off the wagon for Christmas.

Humph just take your own salad dressing in a little pot and ask for the salad undressed. They won't know/mind. You're made of sterner stuff than me re the cake - cakes are banned in the Crabby household during bootcamp. If I can't eat them, noone can! grin I suppose I'll have to make an exception for DD's birthday at the end of the month. hmm

projectbabyweight Wed 08-Jan-14 14:59:49

LittleMissDisorganized - I don't think Lactofree is any different carb-wise. Maybe if the milk proteins are a problem for you it wouldn't be preferable to normal stuff. I don't know much about milk protein intolerance either!

HumphreyCobbler Wed 08-Jan-14 15:03:11

good idea!

MrsHughJarse Wed 08-Jan-14 15:34:59

I would just like to say thankyou to BIWI .thanks.

I have been hungry for 20 years.

and now I am not.... and I getting thinner. Its a miracle.

That is all.

BIWI Wed 08-Jan-14 17:02:01

grin

My pleasure.

blizy Wed 08-Jan-14 17:15:26

I am loving this WOE so far, ,lets hope the scales agree with it too!
I have eaten today
B- ham rolls with Philadelphia and Greek yog with a splash of cream
L- leftover low carb cottage pie
D- (spaghetti) courgette bolognaise.
I have had a coffee with cream, green tea, peppermint tea and 2l of water so far. Will probs drink more water and have a peppermint tea after dinner.

Nux Wed 08-Jan-14 17:37:52

Can I eat chicory? I think it's only 3.4g carb per 100... The 'allowed' veg list is quite short... Are any veggies ok as long as they are around 3g or below or are there other reasons to avoid specific ones?

Nux Wed 08-Jan-14 17:40:27

Also am I allowed beetroot? gazes at beetroot in fridge

LucyVFood Wed 08-Jan-14 18:18:20

Am I eating too much veg? Today I've had:

B: Greek Yog
L: Yellow pepper, baby sweetcorn, radishes, boiled eggs and avocado.
D: Pork chops, broccoli, cauliflower.

And if anyone has ideas for pack up lunches I'd be eternally grateful!

Thanks

clarinetV2 Wed 08-Jan-14 18:34:40

Have been reading through some of these posts. The thing about fat is really interesting. Now if only I craved fatty, oily foods... but I don't! Carbs are what I love! Ah well, maybe I'll come to love butter (bleurgh) and salad dressing (even more bleurgh) in time.

Two questions. What's the position on cheese? If milk isn't allowed, does that mean no cheese either?

Also, are vegetable allowances unlimited on bootcamp so long as they're on the list, or should we count the carbs? In which case (and sorry if this is obvious to everyone else) how much carb are we actually allowed?

Nusoo Wed 08-Jan-14 19:20:07

Hi there! I am really looking forward to starting this - just wondering - is it still possible to eat too much on this WOE? I'm a fan of big portions blush and can eat as much (or more) than my dh who is at least a foot taller than me!

CalamityKate Wed 08-Jan-14 19:50:53

Ok can someone please be kind enough to do me a favour??

Can you work out the carb count of today's food for me please?

B: 3 rashers streaky bacon and an egg
L: 3 scrambled eggs cooked in butter with cheddar cheese in
D: I sirloin steak and mushrooms fried in butter. Salad with a spoonful of mayo.

About 3 cups of coffee with 2 sweeteners, made with a splash of milk (got some cream now to use instead).

I haven't been hungry between meals and I haven't even been tempted to snack.

And I'm going to LOSE weight eating like this? Seriously? I can't get my head round it at all confused

CalamityKate Wed 08-Jan-14 19:51:24

.....oh and I had some garlic butter on the steak.

heliumheart Wed 08-Jan-14 20:26:42

Just checking in at the end of the day. Had a good day food wise and don't feel as though I've gone mental portion-wise.

Breakfast - f/f yoghurt and then..
Brunchy/lunchy - cheese omelette
Dinner - roasted cod with creamy/cheesy leeks - which were delicious and the first time I'd made them.
Drinks - two cups of tea and copious water

Can this even be right? I've had a bloody annoying day dealing with my twin 4 year olds and can't believe I haven't reached for some illicit snack? hmm

Lavenderhoney Wed 08-Jan-14 20:36:31

I've been doing badly as I've had a virus and couldn't eat at all or even keep water down for 3 dayssad

However, managed a bit of the chicken and roast veg ( no pots) for the dc tonight so fingers crossed.

I also think my new scales are pants. They seem to ignore my weight standing on them and just assume my weight based on looking at me with many layers of clothes onsmile

CalamityKate Wed 08-Jan-14 20:37:05

If this diet works I'll be ecstatic! It is UNHEARD of for me to not be hungry between meals. I'm pretty much ALWAYS hungry as a rule!

I'm a huge carnivore and love butter/the skin off chicken etc.

The most difficult thing for me on most diets is swapping butter for low fat spread, doing without cheese etc.

I'm now sat here stuffed after a delicious dinner - I mean really stuffed - having a gorgeous cup of coffee with cream and it seems too good to be true! That's why I don't trust my own judgement and want someone to confirm that what I've had today is along the right lines!

BIWI Wed 08-Jan-14 20:44:04

CalamityKate - the only carbs you have eaten today will be in your mushrooms and salad, plus a little from the mayo and the milk.

I would actually say you haven't eaten enough carbs - you could do with a bit more veg; try adding some veg/salad to your lunch.

You don't need to count the carbs but just follow Bootcamp rules. (Which, incidentally, mean also cutting out the artificial sweeteners!)

And yes, you will lose weight eating like that, as long as you do everything else you're supposed to. How much water did you drink today?

heliumheart Wed 08-Jan-14 20:45:00

Calamity - I haven't worked out your carb count, but that menu looks just fine other than the splash of milk which I have also been doing. I would say you could do with putting more veg in, but I am equally guilty of not doing that and managed just one bit of veg today. I've ordered some salad bits to be delivered tomorrow so I can have that with lunch when otherwise I wouldn't be bothered to cook something up.

Gerrythetootallgiraffeswife Wed 08-Jan-14 20:46:24

Another good day here, with less desire to snack. That despite a) horrible period pains and pmt, b) a silly early start and c) the worst professional day of my entire career. I'm tired, but only as tired as I'd expect with 6 hrs sleep.

Today I have had:
B: leftover buttery celeriac mash with the fat from frying sausages last night, and a hard boiled egg
L: roast beef salad, loads of dressing, cheese string, hard boiled egg
D: bolognese with courgette and mushrooms and half a block of cheese. Fingers crossed I'm not one of the unlucky ones stalled by dairy- it would make life much trickier!

Weighed myself this evening, and despite the fact that when I weighed on Friday it was in the morning, naked, post wee pre breakfast, and this time was evening fully dressed, I'm 3lb down. And I'm eating cheese!

Cheese!

This WOE is crazy!

Cheese!

BIWI Wed 08-Jan-14 20:47:33

Nusoo - at the beginning of a low carb diet we don't need to worry about portion sizes. Eat when you're hungry, and eat enough to be satisfied. (It's not carte blanche to just stuff your face though!)

But - two important things. Once you get into it properly, you'll find that your appetite does diminish. Just make sure you're not eating large portions out of habit. And second, when you approach your target weight you will have to pay more attention to what you're eating.

BIWI Wed 08-Jan-14 20:49:20

clarinetv2 - milk isn't forbidden - it's just something you have to keep an eye on because it gets very carby quite quickly. Cheese, by comparison, is virtually or totally carb-free (some processed cheese like cream or cottage cheeses do have some carbs), but like milk it is dairy - and it's the dairy element that is the issue with these. Many people find that dairy can impede their weight loss

BIWI Wed 08-Jan-14 20:50:47

Nux chicory is fine but, sadly, beetroot is out. It's way too carby at 9.5g carbs per 100g for boiled and 11.2g carbs per 100g for pickled.

BIWI Wed 08-Jan-14 20:54:03

LucyVFood

It depends what quantities you've been eating!

It looks fine to me - but it doesn't look like you've been eating much fat there - have you had butter on your veg? Or any kind of sauce/dressing?

For lunches - I usually buy different sliced cooked meats (ham, corned beef etc) or a can of tuna, and have them with a bag of salad and soe mayo. I have bottles of oil and wine vinegar at work, so make my own dressing. Or, I take leftovers from the previous night's dinner, and heat them up in the microwave. Do you have a microwave?

BIWI Wed 08-Jan-14 20:55:10

heliumheart looks good, but not enough veg/salad for you either! But good news on the no snacking front grin

CalamityKate Wed 08-Jan-14 20:55:29

Thank you BIWI and Helium! I am almost tearful with pleased-ness!! Mind you I still can't get my head round it lol! I suppose I'll believe it when I start seeing results grin

Questions - what happens if you don't drink enough water?
What happens if you don't eat enough carbs?

BIWI Wed 08-Jan-14 20:56:06

Lavenderhoney grin doesn't sound like the scales are you friend! Sorry to hear you haven't been well

BIWI Wed 08-Jan-14 20:57:14

Cheese, Grommit, cheese grin

BIWI Wed 08-Jan-14 20:58:16

If you don't drink enough water you won't lose the weight
If you don't enough carbs you will be eating even more fat and protein. Given that you should be getting your carbs from veg and salad, it also means that you will be missing out on important nutrients - vitamins, minerals and fibre

CalamityKate Wed 08-Jan-14 20:59:08

I'm so full!!

I'm also shocked how much less bloated I feel after just one day of no bread!

sherbetpips Wed 08-Jan-14 21:00:06

Carb flu? Wondered why I felt all coldly but not a proper cold - thanks!

ChesterDrawers Wed 08-Jan-14 21:05:08

Checking in, good day but, by god, was I craving a nice glass of red tonight.

B: eggs in clouds, sausage (1.1 carbs), mushrooms fried in bacon and sausage fat <drool>
L: prawn and avocado salad with lots of olive oil
S: total with cream, orange oil and cinnamon
D: crispy Parmesan chicken nuggets, courgette spaghetti, mushrooms and leeks fried in garlic butter

Have just had a decaff with double cream, rapidly becoming my evening treat.

dementedma Wed 08-Jan-14 21:07:32

I know there should be no alcohol and its hard for me as I am a fairly heavy drinker. I am trying to do dry January and drinking becks blue no alcohol beer. Will this be allowed?

LucyVFood Wed 08-Jan-14 21:12:15

BIWI I had about a tablespoon of olive oil on my salad (one whole pepper, about six radishes, six baby sweetcorn)

Then for dinner I steamed the veg (I'd say 100g each of broccoli and cauliflower) and then fried it in about a tablespoon of butter with garlic. It was lush.

We don't have a microwave, but taking oil/vinegar in is a good idea.

Thanks thanks

Ruprekt Wed 08-Jan-14 21:25:37

Another good day....need more water though.

B...frittata and yoghurt

L...chicken, salad, melted goats cheese, mayo

D...an amazing cauli/broccoli cheese with pancetta and leeks and served with sausages

Water, tea, coffee with cream

smile

Woolfey Wed 08-Jan-14 21:25:53

Chesterdrawers have you got a recipe for the parmesan chicken nuggets? The only ones I can find include cornflakes etc. TIA.

SarahBeenysBumblingApprentice Wed 08-Jan-14 21:31:56

Evening everyone.

One thing that really strikes my about the woe is how good everything tastes!

I have a really sweet tooth and I was prepared for savoury but fairly dull food... and that's so wrong! Using fats and salt really makes everything sing and I'm not missing the sweet stuff because the savoury tastes so much better.

On the other hand... how long does carb flu take to bog off? I'm on day 6 today and day 1 was the worst tbh. But I've felt really tired all week and I need to feel as if I can go out for a run! I've got to go from very slow 5k to half marathon fit by the summer. Having said that, loosing 2 stone would make running a whole lot easier!

BIWI Wed 08-Jan-14 21:36:23

dementedma - you have my every sympathy! But, Becks Blue has 3.2g per 275ml bottle. Which is going to add up very quickly. If you're doing dry January, wouldn't you just be better avoiding 'fake' beer anyway?!

BIWI Wed 08-Jan-14 21:37:59

Sarah - it will take you a bit of time to adjust to be able to train properly. You should generally be feeling better very soon, but don't expect to be able to train as much as you have been doing for at least a couple of weeks. However, once you're ketogenically-adapted (i.e. burning fat rather than carbs), you will be fine.

RatherBeOnThePiste Wed 08-Jan-14 21:38:55

Carb flu going on here, or it may be gin withdrawal. Tis not pretty

dementedma Wed 08-Jan-14 21:39:24

Yeah, biwi I probably would but sick of juice and tea and it has a good bitter taste.
Got to have something or will just end up picking up the wine again.

BIWI Wed 08-Jan-14 21:41:14

Slimline tonic? I know we say no artificial sweeteners, but it's better that then consuming the carbs or going back to the wine!

Sparkling water with PLJ is also good - nice and sharp, but cold and fizzy.

dementedma Wed 08-Jan-14 21:43:15

Is plj like roses lime cordial?

TrickyWoo Wed 08-Jan-14 21:47:09

Humphrey the pizza express dressing is 5g carbs per 100ml, and a bottle is 235ml.

BIWI Wed 08-Jan-14 21:52:17

It's a cordial, but it's lemon (PLJ stands for pure lemon juice) and it doesn't have any sugar added or artificial sweeteners. It has 1.4g carbs per 25 ml serving

fizzly Wed 08-Jan-14 22:01:21

<waves>
still got bad carb flu (I think). Woke at 1am last night with literally the worst headache I've ever had. Convinced myself I was about to keel over and die (melodromatic, moi?), googled it and it sounds like a cluster headache which it might be, or perhaps carb flu? Anyone have cluster headaches or know if carb flu can present like that? Painkillers make no difference whatsoever. Basically mega mega headache behind one eye - lasted a couple of hours. Have been achy and knackered today but not as bad, more general cold-y but I have a feeling this headache is going to return tonight - have an ache in the same place again but not as bad yet.

I thought that all the water would ease headaches but obviously not as I'm not the only one with headaches. I was expecting to feel run down but the strength of this headache was a shock. Fingers crossed it will be over in next day or so - I need more sleep tonight for a start.

Anyway food today mostly good. Tiny transgression this evening as feeling pretty shit.
B: 2 eggs (no butter - we have run out shock)
L: Spinach and celeriac soup
Snacks: peppers, cheese, cucumbers, a slice of ham
D: A sort of curry thing made from scratch with chicken, pepper, broccoli, carrot and cauli rice on the side, sauce made from creme fraiche, cheese, herbs and spices.

Transgression: 2 teaspoons of (sugar free) peanut butter. Has made me feel marginally less sorry for myself!

fizzly Wed 08-Jan-14 22:02:54

p.s. loads of water too.

On the drinks thing, DH and I (who normally get through a bottle of wine between us at least 4 nights/week) find that sparkling water, really cold and with ice, with a chunk of lemon added, begins to taste like a cocktail, in comparison with all the tap water we drink during the day. I genuinely look forward to cracking open the fizz!

PseudoBadger Wed 08-Jan-14 22:09:29

Would appreciate an opinion on whether my intake today looks acceptable? It's a lot but I am breastfeeding a tiny one smile

Breakfast Greek yoghurt

Brunch Mushroom, ham, cheese omelette

Lunch Celeriac gratin, 1 slice bacon, cucumber

Snacks Avocado, Olives

Dinner - Baked chicken leg, cheesy leeks with bacon, runner beans, broccoli

Drinks 2x tea with milk, 1x coffee with cream, water

gillyweed Wed 08-Jan-14 22:28:51

Stupid questions here...

Do tea and coffee count towards your water intake? I have 3 cups of coffee a day and easily 2 litres of water, just wondering if I need more?

Also, I take it in theory if your overweight to begin with this is a perfectly healthy way to eat while pregnant?

And finally, I'm getting my whole family on to this woe - do kids/toddlers need salt added to their diet (my gut says no.)?

thank you!

BIWI Wed 08-Jan-14 22:30:02

fizzly - sorry to hear about the headache, that sounds awful sad. It sounds more like a migraine - are you susceptible to those?

Are you making sure that you're eating enough salt? And fat?

Pseudo - that looks fine - assuming you're using plenty of fat to cook with/put on your veg - and that you're drinking enough water!

PseudoBadger Wed 08-Jan-14 22:32:34

Thanks BIWI, I'm cooking with olive oil and butter usually, and adding butter to veg where possible. I had mayo with the avocado too.

StuntNun Wed 08-Jan-14 22:34:15

Looks good to me Pseudo, especially if you need another 500 calories a day for breastfeeding. I was eating huge amounts when I started LCing while breastfeeding but over time it has dropped gradually.

Fizzly you may need extra salt as well to help with the headaches. Lo Salt is good as it also contains potassium.

Calamity early on I remember eating roast pork belly and veggies cooked in butter and laughing as this was the best way to lose weight. It is a brilliant WOE for yummy satisfying food.

ChippingInWadesIn Wed 08-Jan-14 22:46:33

Mary - I could be wrong, but I'm pretty sure that's 'Christmas' not 'easing in' grin

Plonky - It killed both the craving and my dignity grin 16lbs to goal weight... I am seriously envious!! Good luck though, I know it's just as hard.

Crabby - 'cramming it in' I might have been guilty of this blush

PseudoBadger Wed 08-Jan-14 23:14:27

Thanks Stunt smile

ChesterDrawers Thu 09-Jan-14 06:37:38

Woolfey I made it up!

Basically, cut chicken breast into strips/nuggets, roll in egg and then Parmesan and shallow fry ( I used about half a cm of groundnut oil) flipping them til they were crispy. You could add spices or herbs to the cheese. I might try a bit of cayenne next time.

They were lovely.

Ruprekt Thu 09-Jan-14 07:45:14

Daily Fail headlines today....'sugar is the new tobacco!'angryangryangry

Food giants have to slash the sugar by 30% to stop the rise in obesity!

At last. smilesmile

BIWI Thu 09-Jan-14 07:46:40

Yeah, but they still demonise fat. All that will happen is that people will switch to artificially sweetened stuff. And that is still the preserve of the big manufacturers.

However, it's a step in the right direction!

Woolfey Thu 09-Jan-14 08:00:34

Thanks Chester will give it a go, sounds lovely smile

Woolfey Thu 09-Jan-14 08:11:21

Carb flu was horrible yesterday was so tired that I ended up eating more than I usually do just to try and stay awake around that horrible 3pmish dip. But it was all boot camp friendly food at least. Expect two toddlers that get up at 5am isn't helping with the tiredness either. Is there anything extra I can do to combat the tiredness? I'm making sure I'm having salt and potassium rich foods.

Hello Pistey fancy seeing you here ;)

googoogoggles Thu 09-Jan-14 08:21:18

The tiredness should wear off in a few days Woolfey – any tiredness related to a change of diet that is! Remember last time the feeling of wading through treacle by around 3pm but remember feeling great after I'd got through it...
Yesterday, seemed mostly to be eating CREAM.
B Coffee with CREAM x 3 (over course of morning)
L Mushrooms fried in butter with bit of CREAM
D Salmon grilled (with knob of butter) and (big) veg stir fry (spinach, brocolli, bit of spring onion, ginger, chilli and red onion)s and some soy sauce (which is probably too sweet for BC)
Blackberries with Total and tiny bit of CREAM
Think I'm subsituting my carb fix with a cream fix, so if it turns out I've a problem with dairy I'm in big trouble grin
Feel okay so far but obviously is BC Light, not BC proper...
Still not enough water but better than yesterday
A lot of jasmine tea...

googoogoggles Thu 09-Jan-14 08:23:25

Thanks BIWI by the way for doing another BC! It has really changed my whole approach to food and I know I feel so much better if I stay on this WOE.
Thanks too in advance to Willie for dealing with that spreadsheet – seem to have the most names yet!

SteeleyeStan Thu 09-Jan-14 08:25:36

Meh, still feeling crappy. I'm really surprised - thought I was an old hand and my system would be all used to LC etc. blush But I'm headachy, nauseaus, swollen and constipated. I even ended up feeling absolutely starving last night, so had a snack of greek yoghurt. It's a bit weird - my blood glucose seems fine and stable. I guess my body's just got used to the slightly higher amount of carbs pre-holidays, and then the carby Xmas and NY really messed things up.

I've got temptations for tomorrow. Meeting friends for a catch up in a lovely cafe, and DH wanting a pre-Bootcamp beer and pizza night...

Today's foods will be:
B: Fried eggs and coffee with coconut oil
L: Leftover salmon, fresh spinach; avocado and/or cheese if I feel hungry.
D: Pork chops and cauliflower mash.

daisychicken Thu 09-Jan-14 08:26:01

I'm glad that sugar content is to be cut but I'm worried about squash that currently has sugar not artifical sweeteners... most food we buy, we can avoid artifical sweeteners but with squash it's becoming harder and harder to get without sweeteners... I know that's not a problem for us but it is a problem for DH, my kids, people who can't or don't want artifical sweeteners in their drinks......

SayraT Thu 09-Jan-14 08:30:23

I have been trying to drink more water and have been drinking around 2.5 - 3 litres per day (and spending all my time running to the loo - I assume that I will get more used to the volume of water and not need to wee so much!).

I wondered if anyone else felt more thirsty now they are drinking more?! I do and I wondered why, previously I would have drunk around 2 litres of fluid per day (that includes green tea x2 at work).

Yesterday I ate:

B: Spoonful of Total yogurt (not really hungry in morning, more hungry at night)
L: Frittata type thing with mushrooms, chicken and bacon with rocket and parmesan salad
S: Cucumber and carrot sticks
D: Broccoli soup then pork meat balls with courgette spaghetti

Ambassadoryouarespoilingme Thu 09-Jan-14 08:33:57

Hi there
I'm signed up for boot camp but also trying to start this week. I did LC eating in 2012 and lost a stone and a half, but then fell back into the sugar trap.
Thought I'd share two top tips which help me keep on track:
1. Frittata.... This for breakfast helps as I make it in advance and chop off a chunk to have with ham, and because its a chunk of something solid it feels similar to having a bit of toast, if you know what I mean. I make it with lots of veg and some Stilton, and its very tasty. And I don't really like eggs normally.
2. romaine lettuce or chicory leaves can be used instead of crackers or bread when you need something to put pate or something spreadable onto.

Looking fwd to trying to make this the year that my cravings for evening sugar highs get under control.
Good luck....

heliumheart Thu 09-Jan-14 08:53:43

Daisychicken - I get the high juice squashes from Waitrose which are free of sweeteners and taste delicious. Also agree re squashes with sweeteners, also they taste disgusting!

gussiegrips Thu 09-Jan-14 09:28:39

Is there a link to The Rules, the spreadsheet, and the recipe thread?

Cannae find any of them.

I've been playing with this for 3 days, and, stupidly, stood on the scales this morning. I've put on 5lbs.

This has to be some sort of record.

encyclogirl Thu 09-Jan-14 09:31:56

Good morning everyone smile

Had some naice ham for brekkie with a bit of celery.

Lunch is a tuna, avocado salad.

Dinner is a stir fry of some sort.

I liked this Instagram pic of a hollowed out cucumber filled with chicken salad by Piri Weepu, YUM!

instagram.com/p/i8HPzUDJKm/

projectbabyweight Thu 09-Jan-14 10:11:32

daisychicken - also Ribena I believe.

All going very well here. Still not fully convinced I'll have lost any weight on this, so Monday will be interesting.

ElBombero Thu 09-Jan-14 10:14:10

Carb flu sad how long does this last? Feel rotten. Any tips to ease it a little, apart from scoffing sugar?

MrsHughJarse Thu 09-Jan-14 10:27:55

still not hungry smile- still loving my food for the first time in years. Absolutely devouring big salads with DRESSING on instead of low calorie miserable food for years.

so..... I have been on a diet for 20 years on and off.... have been to weight (take all your jewelry off to be weighed)watchers, , slimming (just live on sins)world, spent months on Vi shakes, slim fast or similar.... How much might this have cost over all that time.? I suspect £££££ angry and this is free and yummy and it works... shock

I think it should be 'lady' BIWI or dame or whatever is the best !

PS - my 'test' jeans came nearly past my thighs today - and thats huge progress.

blizy Thu 09-Jan-14 12:15:24

I think I I carb flu, feeling very shakey, dizzy/spaced out, nausea sand have a headache. Drinking loads of water to help.

ElBombero Thu 09-Jan-14 12:24:06

Ribena / high juice might not have artificial sweeteners it surely be full of sugar/carbs?

CalamityKate Thu 09-Jan-14 12:46:35

Loving bacon and eggs for breakfast! So filling.

Amazed at how low carb strong cheddar is. Less than one carb per 100g! And 100g is loads!

ziggiestardust Thu 09-Jan-14 12:49:14

Oooooh, just found this thread! I've been going since Jan 1st 'lower carb', but since Tuesday night I've had problems, tbh.

I'm moving job, house and area and I'm really really stressed out. I need tricks for when I feel low. Mostly in the evenings (I'm popping to the doc next week actually, because I'm starting to feel a bit too low a bit too often), and then I just want a packet of crisps or a chocolate, and I'm ashamed to say I've given in.

Does anyone have any advice for me?

HumphreyCobbler Thu 09-Jan-14 12:55:22

Blizy - you may have depleted potassium etc. I would up your salt intake or use some lo salt if you have any. Drinking lots of water and suddenly not eating any processed food have have an initial effect on your levels.

HumphreyCobbler Thu 09-Jan-14 12:55:48

also eat some potassium rich food like avocado

fizzly Thu 09-Jan-14 13:04:58

Thanks for the tips re my headache. It could well have been salt related as I don't tend to add salt to my food except a little in cooking. I am happy to say that after feeling awful last night I did not wake up over night with another horrific headache and am feeling a LoT better today although still bunged up but I can cope with that.

Today is as follows
B: 2 eggs
Lunch: ham and cheese salad
Dinner I think will be steak in a cream and mushroom sauce with cabbage and cauli rice.

Actually feeling a little slimmer today already - probably in my head as I won't weigh again til Monday but altogether today feels a lot better than yesterday.

HamstaParadise Thu 09-Jan-14 13:10:52

Hello! First chance to post but started on the 6th. Made spanish tortilla (with celeriac instead of potato) with chorizo for lunch. It was amazing!

Sorry to hear things are hard for you atm Ziggie, I've only been LC since monday so I've got no advice... sure someone will be able to help though!

Collywibbles Thu 09-Jan-14 13:12:42

Interesting discussion about giving up sugar on Radio 2 (Jeremy Vine show).