Week 9 - Autumn Low Carb Bootcamp - Our Last Fortnight!

(94 Posts)
BIWI Mon 04-Nov-13 07:43:20

Morning all. A quick post today because I have to get to work early.

Here's the spreadsheet

I'm suffering a bit from an IBS flare-up today, which is a surefire indication that I've been overdoing the carbs sad

So I'm going back to strict Bootcamp for the next few days to hopefully get it back under control.

Good luck everyone.

Hello Bootcampers! <slinks shame-facedly back into thread>. I quit Bootcamp a while back, after limited weightloss - you may remember me whinging about it blush . I kept on lowish carbing for a while but have been a complete carby twat over half-term.
Anyway... having done a bit more thinking and reading (particularly Robert Lustig's scary book about sugar) and having felt crappy after inhaling beer and cake like it was going out of fashion, I think I am now ready to commit properly to lc. And this time, the scales can stall if they want, because I'm doing this for all-round health rather than weight. I might measure this time though!
I don't know if my name is still on the spreadsheet, but I guess it's not really worth logging my weight now, this close to the end of Bootcamp proper. So I'll just join you on the chat thread for now if that's ok...

bigkidsdidit Mon 04-Nov-13 08:24:42

Hello! Welcome back Holmes!

I'm another 3lb down, I'm gobsmacked. I'm on a roll smile

I'm 3.6lb down thanks to Ms Whoosh Fairy. I'm gobsmacked too! I'm now 11 stone 11, I crashed through the 12 stone barrier without looking back. I don't remember my weight starting with an 11, like ever!

Welcome back holmes, and good luck.

Woo hoo - well done bigkidsdidit! I'm starting from scratch today so I may have to wait a bit to see any results, but I'm not going to stress about that this time! Bacon, lettuce and avocado for breakfast for me. Might need a bulletproof coffee now...

Thanks folks - now if you could just point that whoosh fairy in my direction, Lily...

bigkidsdidit Mon 04-Nov-13 09:38:20

I'm 11-11 too lily smile

Target (10-7) suddenly seems very achievable!

CrabbySmallerBottom Mon 04-Nov-13 09:57:47

flowers Well done Losers! grin Welcome back Holmes.

Sts this week (well fortnight actually as I didn't weigh last week. I'm thoroughly stuck at 10st 13lbs and it's entirely my own fault as I've lost the will not to stuff myself with almond-based goodies all the time and drink too much wine at weekends. hmm I'm only half a stone from my target weight now and feel Pretty happy in my size 12 trousers again. There's little impetus not to dive into the shallot tart and fruit crumble multiple times a day, and there's been carb creep elsewhere too - not stupidly, but the odd off-road moment like the spaghetti carbonara on Friday and the breadcrumbed parasol mushrooms on Saturday. I'd be happy to eat like this forever more tbh, but if I want to lose that last half stone, I need to be stricter. I just can't decide whether I want it enough to cut the crumble! grin

NewStartNewStory Mon 04-Nov-13 11:05:48

Glad you are back holmes

keeponkeepinon Mon 04-Nov-13 11:17:44

Well, after the carbiest wine fuelled half term I am up - could have been a lot worse I however, I am surprised I am not back up to start weight! I'm thinking that because I have been a TCT for the last week (and a half!) maybe I'll get that lovely water weight loss which, although I know its not fat, it doesn't half feel good to see on the scale!
Strict two weeks for me, lets see what can be acheived. I plan to do strength and cardio 5x this week to boost my efforts and shape up some muscles underneath my padding!
Brunch:Bacon, mushrooms fried in butter with rocket, half a tomato and mayo....yum!

Aww - thanks everyone. Good to be back. Having read that scary sugar book, I am really determined to cut sugar in the dc's diet too. The gallons of apple juice are already gone. Breakfast is always the tricky one though... I might be happy eating avocado and plain yoghurt in the morning but they certainly won't. I guess it's wholemeal toast with whole earth peanut butter or marmite then. No more Nutella. I am going to be very unpopular.

ceedub Mon 04-Nov-13 11:45:19

Hi everyone,

Well, am back from a week 'glamping', and despite a few glasses of wine and a couple of toasted marshmallows, I managed to stay on the bandwagon. Just 1lb down this week, but that doesn't surprise me as it was hard to avoid relying on dairy and even trickier to keep up the water intake. Will try harder this week!

congrats to everyone else and here's to a strong finish!

sybilfaulty Mon 04-Nov-13 11:49:15

I've put on as well. That's what mini rolls and red wine do to you!

Children back at school. I am supposed to be doing some work. Better get cracking.

Good luck to everyone weighing and well done to those who have silenced their inner gobbler.

BIWI, I hope you feel better soon.

Have a great LC week, y'all.

HumphreyCobbler Mon 04-Nov-13 12:23:31


I am still feeling groovy having given up the sugar. Am really enjoying life for the first time in ages (I am really really rubbish at being pregnant!).

Had scrambled eggs and smoked salmon for breakfast and chicken salad for lunch.

Holmes, I don't weigh as I was the queen of stalling and I found it really annoying. By not weighing I can focus on being healthy rather than thin. I also think I had unrealistic expectations of what I could weigh, especially after finding out I am actually 5'4" rather than 5'2" that I had always thought I was grin

toomuchicecream Mon 04-Nov-13 12:30:15

Just shy of 6 off this week. Yes - 6!! No - I have no idea why as I didn't do anything different to what I've been doing for the last 4 or 5 weeks when I stayed the same. Needless to say I'm very happy as that takes me to 20 off over all. My personal end of boot camp target of 1 1/2 stone has gone from looking impossible to very achievable smile

Ah - maybe that's the way forward then Humphrey, ditching the scales. I'm particularly keen to cut the sugar too. Something I read recently made me think I may have a candida problem, and apparently sugar, wheat and fermented stuff have to go.

whodunnit Mon 04-Nov-13 13:05:23

Woohooo... managed to get 2 more pounds off. But weghed myself at 1am and had not lost it. What happened in the next seven hours, then? Maybe it is like the Adipose in Doctor Who, and a small adipose creature wiggled out of the bottom of my pj's in the night and off to the mothership?

BIWI Mon 04-Nov-13 13:09:18

Welcome back holmes - you are more than welcome to chat! I found, just like you, that it was much, much easier to commit to this WOE once I'd done more reading about it, and realised there was much more to it than weight loss.

Well done to all you losers - some impressive results! flowers

I'm worried that I'm going down with something horrible at the moment sad. IBS cramping has gone, thankfully, but I have a very unpleasant headache which isn't really responding to drugs.

And this week I have a really heavy week at work and I just can't be ill - and have to be able to 'perform', so it's a bit alarming. I think I'm going to slope off as early as I can and have an early night tonight.

StuntNun Mon 04-Nov-13 13:20:32

One pound down well really half a pound but I always round to the nearest pound blush after a couple of weeks of STS but I can still feel my belt loosening so there's progress going on that I can't see on the scales. I thought I wasn't doing too well but looking back I've lost six pounds this Bootcamp which is brilliant.

Wow well done toomuch

Hello fellow 11:11er bigkids. Astonishingly, just 4 more lbs off will see me (just) into a normal BMI at 11 stone 7. This is my before-Christmas target! (I started on an obese BMI.) I can't imagine being a weight starting with 10 stone, but I'll carry on in a spirit of enquiry and find out!

Crabby surely eating spaghetti carbonara and staying the same is a victory! That would be a great picture of the future, able to eat the odd carby meal without it having an impact.

I started this (in May) thinking "its only for 10 weeks". Then certain realisations dawned and I thought "OK - I'm doing this til Christmas (to get to a normal BMI)".

Now I'm thinking - Ooh maybe this is kind of forever. I can't see myself tucking into carbs come January (really hope I'm not wrong!). I want to stay in the lovely new clothes I've bought, with the confidence of not being overweight. It is still slightly a weird thought though; I'm glad I started with a "this is a temporary 10 week thing" mindset!

Ahh get well soon BIWI !

colette Mon 04-Nov-13 13:50:25

Well done on the losses especially impressed by toomuchicecream.
Biwi - hope you feel better, DD and I had a wierd viral thing last week ;loads of stomach cramps and headaches. Could be going around. Hot water bottle really helped, although not practical at work !

toomuchicecream Mon 04-Nov-13 19:07:42

BIWI - have you tried those disposable heat packs you can get? Come in bright orange boxes (normally) from the medicine section of the supermarket. You just take them out of the packet, peel off the back and then stick it on you where evers aching. Particularly good at that wrong time of the month, I've found...

AuntieMaggie Mon 04-Nov-13 19:09:42

5lbs this week - no idea how though!

tenementmonster Mon 04-Nov-13 20:14:30

a quarter of a pound on... ah well.

BIWI i feel your pain. have had a stomach virus for 3 weeks now and i am sick of it. keeping to the dry stuff today after a day of near nothingness yesterday. this inevitably has meant carbs today in the form of a bag of crisps, tinned soup and oat bar. meals over the last few weeks have been a bit ad hoc but carb free.

however on sat, i just had enoughi went a bit bonkers on bread. i don't know why and then yesterday my stomach just went on strike, so i am doubly cursed by this virus and my own greed.

hoping to get back on the horse tomorrow.

PinkPeanuts Mon 04-Nov-13 20:20:31

Hello All,

I've had a successful day 4 and now polishing off a late dinner of carb free cauliflower cheese which I'm having for the first time enjoying immensely! I'm a little confused as to why I'm not having any withdrawal headaches like I usually do with low carb. I know I'm not over doing it with my carb intake- less than 20g a day so far, and the scales are already showing a loss, but I don't seem to be withdrawing which usually happens in the first two days for me. No idea why!

Maryz Mon 04-Nov-13 21:07:33

Hi everyone, I've just realised that I never entered last week's weight, so I'll put them both in.

My kids have been on half term, we have been out twice and had more than a few drinks on a few occasions, so I'm pleasantly surprised not to have put on more.

But here's to a very strict last two (or hopefully three, for me) weeks, just to see where I stand by the end of November.

tenementmonster Mon 04-Nov-13 21:48:31

yes i will be strict until reaching the finish line. 7 weeks til xmas. would like to drop another stone if poss

timidviper Mon 04-Nov-13 23:19:41

Well I weighed on Friday, my normal weighing day and it looked like I had put back 4 of the 5lb I lost last week but I weighed again yesterday and am 1lb down which has taken me under the next stone barrier so I'm claiming that!

I am going to try to be good for the next 2 weeks but I started late so will be continuing after the official end if anyone wants to join me in going on till nearer Xmas

Holmes Welcome back. I think it is great to do this when your head is in the right place and agree that good health is the best motivator.

ceedub Tue 05-Nov-13 06:54:08

hi timidviper, as another late joiner, I'll happily keep going after the official bootcamp end as I'm a long way from my target weight. here's to a lean December grin grin

StuntNun Tue 05-Nov-13 07:28:36

So much for two strict weeks, I ended up being a carby twat yesterday and having beef curry with rice for dinner. confused It was okay but seemed very sweet to me which is strange for curry to be sweet. But in my defense my youngest had to go to A&E at 4 p.m. due to a high temperature and the curry was bought from the hospital 'restaurant' at 10 p.m. when it looked like he wouldn't be discharged for a while. Anyway he had a rough night but his temperature has stayed down with prophylactic Calpol and he's in better form this morning.

Maryz Tue 05-Nov-13 08:14:12

Yes, timid, ill happily carry on until the end of November.

I'd like to do another half stone to give me a bit of wriggle room for Christmas.

timidviper Tue 05-Nov-13 08:36:25

I didn't start till end of Sept so I'm going to carry on as long as I can, allowing myself to freefall off that wagon without guilt when I want to for Christmas 'do's but then clambering back on to minimise the damage grin

marking place

CrabbySmallerBottom Tue 05-Nov-13 09:14:45

Stunt hope he's feeling better this morning. How old is he?

Lily you're right of course, and yes I want to be in a place where I can eat the odd carby meal without worrying too much. I think I'm pretty much there, really - I'm happy to eat like this 90% of the time and it's a way of eating that I'm happy with and that's become second nature now.

Now that I'm near my target weight, I do want to be able to eat things like beans, butternut squash, carrots etc from time to time too, and I think that's achievable (in terms of not putting weight on but not losing either) as long as it isn't too much or too often. I still haven't cracked the whole eating out/at friends' houses thing, as it seems fussy and ungrateful to demand low carb food as a guest. Although vegetarians specify what they don't eat and nobody has an issue with that so maybe I just need to be a bit tougher!

StuntNun Tue 05-Nov-13 10:17:48

He's a bit brighter but weary iyswim BIWI thanks for asking. He's nearly a year old so hospital was a bit stressful for him. I think he liked the paediatric ward though, listening to the other children's voices.

StuntNun Tue 05-Nov-13 10:18:37

Doh sorry meant Crabby of course. Too tired this morning.

bigkidsdidit Tue 05-Nov-13 10:38:16

I'm carrying on too, I'm 1st4lb above target so not stopping yet!

daisychicken Tue 05-Nov-13 10:55:12

Morning! Actually managed to weigh myself today and the scales say I've put weight on hmm bit odd as my clothes definitely tell me otherwise!!

I have swede and celeriac and kale and broccoli and cauliflower now so bubble and squeak with leftover chicken for tonight's tea, soup tomorrow, shepherds pie, cauli cheese, celeriac bake etc all on the menu grin

Keepon we all eat the same in this house bar the odd meal when I will have leftovers... I refuse to cook separate meals! I found time to sit and write out a list of low carb meals that I knew everyone would eat and meal plan from this. I then add in a new meal every so often so introduce new tastes etc.. Good family meals that we have include: shepherds pie (celeriac or swede topping), moussaka, cheeseburger pie, chilli, pasta dishes (pasta for kids, sliced courgette for me), pizza (pizza for kids, aubergine slices with pizza topping for me), sausage, egg and chips (if I want 'chips' I have celeriac wedges but often I don't need it), fajitas (I have the filling with salad or veg), curries, stews, roasts etc.. hth?

keeponkeepinon Tue 05-Nov-13 21:41:55

Thanks daisy! I really need to just sit down and compile a list of what they will enjoy that will fit in. All the dishesyyou mentioned are things we would have, though I am intrigued - what is cheeseburger pie?! Sounds like something we would enjoy!!
I intend to work my way through the whole of the bootcamp recipes too and select the things I think the children would go for.
Meal planning is a drag so I would be far better to have a whole set worked out in rotation so I can just print outmy list and go to the supermarket because the hard work of choosing what to eat has already been done!

Marking place!

HumphreyCobbler Wed 06-Nov-13 08:19:03

I am starting to notice a real difference in the way my clothes fit. Hooray!

Maryz Wed 06-Nov-13 08:28:08

I am sick as a dog today.

That should make me lose weight shouldn't it? [hopeful]

Nacster Wed 06-Nov-13 09:04:56

Hi, can I join? I've read the rules, am on day 3 and doing fairly well I think. Belly noticably less bloaty already! 6lb off since Monday, probably due to obsessive water drinking. I did slip and have diet coke last night, but I wasn't craving it this morning which is new!
Is it OK not to eat when not hungry? Yesterday I had a 3 egg, chicken and veg frittata for brunch (about 1pm) and I honestly wasn't hungry again until this morning. I did have some natural yoghurt in the evening, thought I ought to have something.

daisychicken Wed 06-Nov-13 09:21:54

Keep on recipe for cheeseburger pie:

Cheeseburger Pie

Total carbs 9c. Serves 4

500g minced beef
50g finely chopped onion
150g chopped mushrooms
100mls double cream
2 heaped tablespoons of mayo
150g strong cheddar grated
3 eggs
salt & pepper to taste

Fry mince, onion and mushrooms (can omit the mushrooms here) together until cooked season to taste, drain off fat, add Lee & Perrins sauce.
Place in a greased foil covered deep pie dish, flatten with spoon (can put sliced mushrooms over the meat layer if preferred)
Beat eggs add mayo, cream and cheese.
Pour over the top of mince, drop olives around the dish and bake in oven Gas mark 5 for 20 to 25 mins until set and golden brown.
Leave to cool before taking out of pie dish, remove foil.

Optional 10 black olives

I use a glass rectangular dish about the size of A4 and I can get 6 portions.

It's yummy hot, I serve with 1-2 portions of veg, it freezes well and it's also fantastic cold with salad so great for lunchboxes.

The basic meat recipe can be adjusted by using marmite instead of Worcester sauce and using a mash to make shepherds pie or use cinnamon 1tsp instead of the WS and some tomato purée to make a moussaka base then add aubergines and an eggy feta cheesy topping (I can find recipe if you want it).

If you can spend some time to list out meals and possible variations then meal planning is so much easier, especially if you have a good store cupboard. As we get low or run out of stuff, I write it on the shopping list and then all I need to do is pick the weeks meals and add the veg (& meat but I try and buy meal on offer rather than weekly), dairy and fruit for the kids for the week. My meals are chosen for each day as I have to fit in around kids activities (so I won't have pizza on a Wednesday for example as we don't eat till 7.30 and we don't get home till 7.10 so meal chosen is one I can make earlier and reheat) and they have to be suitable for reheating as DH works long hours and often eats 8-9pm. For me.. I have my list of meals, my shopping list and then my list of days & diary - once you've got going, it takes 5 minutes - I do ours while we have tea so I can get input from everyone & therefore no complaints they don't like what we have! wink

bigkidsdidit Wed 06-Nov-13 09:51:59

I cook one meal too, my toddler gets his carbs from toast for breakfast and two pieces of fruit during the day. Also if we have soup he'll have bread to dip, and he has the occasional biscuit at toddler group.

Our stock of weekday meals are:

Curried cauliflower soup, broccoli and Stilton soup, cream of wild mushroom soup, celeriac soup
Sausages with swede mash and broccoli
Chicken (fried in butter) with Greek feta and spinach pie
Aubergines grilled with feta and salad
Cheese omelettes and salad
Roast chicken with veg, frozen mash for the non low-carbers
Gammon with cauliflower cheese and green beans
Chilli with no beans, plus grated cheese and sour cream, wrapped up in lettuce leaves
Fish pie with mashed caufliwer on top

keeponkeepinon Wed 06-Nov-13 12:15:29

(Mentally checks for cheeseburger pie ingredients...no cream...nip out for that later...I am going to make this for tea tonight!)
Thanks so much daisy, I really appreciate your comments there. A good idea to ask what everybody wants around the table - so no more complaints! For some reason I get a bit fed up with meal planning, I end up with various bits of scribbled paper so forget what I have planned and forget what went down well! I might get a little notebook for this purpose, or maybe even just a simple excel sheet.

After getting back on the wagon (after a very carby week or so) I have lost 3lb since Monday! Water? yes...motivating? Indeed! I just wish I had been doing my weigh ins on a Wednesday, I seem to be at the lowest in the middle of the week. (I'm a daily weigher, I like to see if the trend is going down even if the daily fluctuations don't seem to be.) Would it be cheating to change it? grin

BIWI Wed 06-Nov-13 12:38:19

With the cheeseburger pie, don't drain off the fat! We don't do that on a low carb diet. And you should be buying mince with a high fat content anyway!

Also, if you substitute the onion with shallot you will reduce the carbs again - shallots are 3.3g carbs per 100g whereas onion is 7.9 g carbs.

daisychicken Wed 06-Nov-13 12:56:02

I totally missed that BIWI! I don't drain off the fat either!

BIWI Wed 06-Nov-13 13:37:06

The Idiot Proof Diet Recipe Book has a recipe for moussaka that is essentially cheeseburger pie, just using lamb mince and feta in the topping! It's lovely.

BIWI Wed 06-Nov-13 13:37:26

.... actually I think it might have been posted on the recipe thread

keeponkeepinon Wed 06-Nov-13 14:51:34

I'll have a look for that too, thanks!

toomuchicecream Wed 06-Nov-13 22:17:07

Am hanging in there, determined not to break my losing streak! Had to go to a chocoholics party yesterday and are several, but I've eaten nicer chocolate. Was on a course today with lunch provided and managed to avoid all the wraps, sandwiches, cake, crisps, fruit, pastry based nibbles etc etc etc and managed to stick to meat kebab things - a bit like chicken satay but I think it was pork. Major effort of will there! And DH is having a curry night and I've avoided all the rice, naans etc and stuck to creamed leeks andushrooms with bacon and grated gruyere. And I'm into my 4th litre of water for the day. I'm on a roll now!!

Gah - I'm finding it hard to get back into this, in spite of my new-found enthusiasm. It really doesn't help that there is a cupboard full of chocolate. I'm thinking of making dh take it to work. Had a slice of bread for breakfast yesterday because there was nothing much else, but at least it did one thing - it reminded me how unbelievably starving I get by 10 a.m. if I eat carbs for breakfast.
So... <grits teeth> am re-starting properly today. Buttery 3-egg omelette for breakfast should keep hunger at bay. Loads of water. No carby twattery.

HumphreyCobbler Thu 07-Nov-13 08:59:09

I am finding it hard to drink enough water but still rather pleased with the relaxed mood I am in whilst on this WOE.

Does everyone else get cauliflower ALL over the kitchen when making cauliflower rice, or is it just me?

Purple2012 Thu 07-Nov-13 09:25:45

Hi everyone. Have been awol for a while. I went on holiday with shocking food so struggled to stay low carb. Came back, got right back on it and then got ill and couldn't eat for days so when I got better I craved carby food and ended up being a carby twat! Back to it now but I'm not being boot camp strict. I am still avoiding the bad carbs but I am eating fruit and nuts. I still have the scales hidden away and won't be getting on them until close to Christmas. I also have an exercise programme that is lots of high fat burning stuff. It's very hard and cost me quite a lot but it seems to be working. I have measured myself so will go by that rather than the scales.

Hope everyone doing well. Will go back and read the threads properly now.

BerylStreep Thu 07-Nov-13 12:32:14

Morning all - back from hols, and absolutely freezing!

I mentioned before that I had spent loads of time people watching on the beach, and I have the following observations.

a. Thong bikinis are never good, no matter how amazing your body is.
b. If you insist on wearing a thong bikini, bending over to pick up shells will traumatise people.
c. Similarly, bikinis with loads of strings, like a spider's web are also not a good look, even if it is hallowe'en.

Anyhow, it was lovely to have the time and space to judge people watch without anything else to occupy my mind. Now that I'm home, I'm back on the straight and narrow. Pleased to say that I haven't gained whilst I have been away. Just popped home to have an omelette for lunch.

Pleaseandthankyou Thu 07-Nov-13 13:09:19

Well done to all the losers. BIWi have you ever counted how many pounds you have been responsible for people losing in total. I have a vision of a lard mountain.

AuntieMaggie Thu 07-Nov-13 18:37:44

I have put on a couple of pounds already but that's to be expected I guess.

Has anyone got any nice noodle recipes I can do with the no carb noodles?

purple be careful with that fruit!

BIWI Thu 07-Nov-13 21:36:52

grin Pleaseandthankyou!

Away for work and eating a bit less than brilliantly. No major carbing; but the food provided has contained lentils and chickpeas etc. Plus I've been eating rather too large quantities! and snacking loads on nuts.

My tummy looks quite round all of a sudden!

googoogoggles Fri 08-Nov-13 14:45:33

Can I rejoin for last week and a bit? Although I've not been a MASSIVE carby twat over the last couple weeks, nuts/wine and then the odd bit of brownie etc has been enough to reawaken my carb cravings! In fact, I really noticed the enticing smell of bread/pastries this morning in Sainsbury's and want to get back to the nirvana of not being hungry or seduced by sugar! So, today, had cream in coffee for breakfast, which filled me up until now, then M&S salad with feta for late lunch. Did a beef casserole in slow cooker this am, so looking forward to that this eve, with some mashed cauli or celeriac – just the job after what looks like it's going to be a nasty, rainy commute home (grey London skies).
And I WILL NOT eat nutella straight from the jar at midnight like last night

googoogoggles Fri 08-Nov-13 14:47:23

My stomach also noticably bigger Lily after getting quite flat two weeks ago. (Still need to lose my lardy arse though)
Will be joining those continuing on chat after end of BC!

BIWI Fri 08-Nov-13 16:32:53

Here's a really interesting piece - shows (again) that weight and calories aren't necessarily related!

Although some of the conclusions are interesting - lack of activity still being blamed for weight gain ... hmm

timidviper Fri 08-Nov-13 17:55:43

Look at this just posted by someone on another thread, I found it quite shocking, particularly as I weighed considerably more than the one on the left when I started.


captainmummy Fri 08-Nov-13 19:06:53

Thats an amazing pic Viper!

BerylStreep Fri 08-Nov-13 21:36:35

Wow - amazing picture.

whodunnit Fri 08-Nov-13 23:53:46

Blimey. scary photos. It's the fat inside that is most worrying . So much of it. I weigh 209 pounds and so I am more like the lady on the left. I did wonder what was going on in there. I am guessing that all the fat is reducing at the same rate and one day that internal fat will also disappear. Do you know I love it here on MN I can say things like that and not raise an eyebrow. If I mentioned it in RL, people would either try to reassure or change the subject.

Just been reading the Biffa book...very interesting as well.

Yes to rounded tummy Googoo! I feel as heavy as if I had been eating cakes etc. I did actually say no to all puddings and chocolate while away, I ate no bread or pastry or cereal or fruit or rice etc. But too many nuts, too many pulses, and I just ate too much - too many seconds!! (I ate chickpea curry and I had seconds. Not very clever!) Also, almost certainly, not enough water.

Ahhh I'm not sure whether I dare check the scales tomorrow!

That scan picture is really scary timid.

Yes Whodunnit I do wonder what actually really happens to the fat. What does it ACTUALLY turn into, how does it leave my body? Does the most recently-laid-down fat go first? or which does the body choose first?

So many questions, so little time so little chance of understanding the explanation

BIWI Sat 09-Nov-13 09:11:16

I believe, from what I've read (although this is by no means guaranteed to be the truth!), that it's your visceral fat - i.e. the internal fat - that goes first - so that's really good news, given the potential danger of it.

Your fat, on a LCHF diet turns into energy! That's what you're burning to keep going/stay alive, etc.

you may find this of interest, given that Christmas is coming soon! I don't advocate sweeteners, as you are all (by now!) very well aware, but this sounds like it could be quite a useful pudding.

I'm also going to experiment with my chocolate pudding and see if I can turn this into some kind of cheesecake. Will report back ...

Really good news that the visceral fat goes first BIWI!

The damage appears to be only 2lb up. So I'm still less than 12 stone which is very cheering.

BIWI Sat 09-Nov-13 18:12:59


tenementfunster Sat 09-Nov-13 19:22:20

hanging on in there and filled with a renewed enthusiasm now the finish line is in sight!
just had indian style caulifower rice with shredded chicken
good luck for monday, everyone

BerylStreep Sat 09-Nov-13 19:26:43

On the topic of puddings for Christmas, I have made this flourless orange cake for our Christmas dessert for the last 2 years, and I have to say it is amazing.

I substitute the sugar for sweetener, but only use half of the sugar equivalent, IYKWIM.

Another quiet milestone I've had is... that about a week ago I could get my wedding ring back on! Now that IS an incentive to stay on this WOE. (I don't think DH has noticed it's back yet... but he did comment a few times mournfully on its absence, in the couple of years or so I've not been able to wear it.)

whodunnit Sat 09-Nov-13 22:43:12

hey Lily I will try to paraphrase what DR Biffa puts in his book. I think he says that the insulin is a bit of a one way gate that lets fat get placed into the fat cells but won't let it out again (to be used by rest of the body as energy). When the insulin gatekeeper is not present, then the fat from your fat cells is free to leave the fat cells and get into the blood stream and into other cells, meaning energy is always available in your other cells. Hence why you feel energised on this WOE. You have fat energy always available for all your cells.

Thats how I read it anyway.....

QueenQueenie Sun 10-Nov-13 01:11:33

I'm the reverse of you Lily! I realised the other day I could get my wedding ring off (and on again) for the first time in many years!

BIWI Sun 10-Nov-13 09:27:39

Well, I was out for dinner last night, cooked by a vegetarian friend and whilst it was probably not as carby as if I'd eaten a plate of pasta, it was still pretty carby. Although totally delicious! (She is a fabulous and very original cook).

But this is what making low carbing a WOE as opposed to a diet is all about. And, more importantly, it was an occasion to catch up with old friends and have a really good evening.

Anyway, I'm off for a run this morning whilst the weather is so lovely (compared with the rainfest that we had yesterday), so hopefully I might get to access/burn up some of my glycogen stores.

sybilfaulty Sun 10-Nov-13 09:46:32

Various things have got in the way of my bootcamp progress this time alas. Too many events beyond my control where someone has cooked and there is no easy way out of refusing the carbs. However, as this is a WOE rather than a diet for a few weeks then stop, I'm not worrying too much. I will try to do better over the next few weeks til Christmas.

BIWI, the run sounds great. I have tried C25k about 3 times and completed it once, but never got to the stage when I was good at running or indeed liked it. A ny tips? My sport of choice is swimming but it takes so long to be able to get an hour if exercise. I walk miles every week and quite fast, but need something more....

AuntieMaggie Sun 10-Nov-13 13:35:53

I need some help... I am 6 weeks pregnant (still feels weird saying that) and I need some help figuring out some easy meals that fits in with this as I'm rapidly going off some of my favourites... has anyone managed to stick with this woe whilst pregnant?

BIWI thank you so much for all your help with this woe - someone pointed me in your direction just over a year ago as I was struggling to lose weight and this woe has helped me control my pcos which I believe has ultimately helped me get pregnant flowers

tenementfunster Sun 10-Nov-13 13:54:18

wow congratulations!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
cake brew cake brew (just for today)

keeponkeepinon Sun 10-Nov-13 14:05:32

Aww! congrats AuntieMaggie!

sybilfaulty Sun 10-Nov-13 15:11:58

Wow, another bootcamp baby. Dear Maggie , am do thrilled for you. Huge congratulations.

Food - I lived on hula hoops for the early part of my pregnancies which clearly isn't bootcamp friendly. Can you try regular food which has a LC element. So have spag Bol with veg not pasta? Maybe ask humph as she's had a bootcamp baby?

Such lovely news. Am thrilled for you my dearflowers

AuntieMaggie Sun 10-Nov-13 16:30:05

Thank you smile

DP cooked stew but I really can't eat it - the consistency of the beef and an after taste I can't put my finger on... dammit no idea what to eat now!

BIWI Sun 10-Nov-13 16:41:50

Aww, AuntieMaggie! Fabulous and many, many congratulations! flowers I did nothing. You were the one who did all the hard work.

I don't really have any tips for you, as I haven't had to do this whilst pregnant - my babies were both a long time ago!!! - but I would say that you need to be kind to yourself, especially in these early weeks, and don't try and be too restrictive or to diet. That said, you also need to keep an eye on what you're eating, and don't use the pregnancy as an excuse to dive nose first into the biscuit tin grin

Stick to healthier (and simple) choices - meat/fish with salad and green vegetables. Don't keep your carbs too low. Plenty of good fat (as long as it's not making you feel nauseous, and make sure you don't go for too long between meals without eating. Make sure you are eating a good breakfast as well.

BIWI Sun 10-Nov-13 16:46:22

sybil - the thing that kept me going through C25K was the fact that I had committed to running a 5K race. I'm not sure I would have been so disciplined unless I had that 'hanging over' me! blush

Now that I've done my race I do have to force myself to go out. Trouble is, the longer you go between runs, the harder it gets - so there's a definite advantage to making sure that you go out regularly.

Although I run 5K each time I go out I can't, in all honesty, say that I enjoy it. Bits of it I do - there are times when I realise that I'm definitely 'in the zone', but then other parts of it I struggle through. But I feel good afterwards, and that's what keeps me going - along with the fact that it's become really important to me to get fit/maintain my level of fitness.

I'm trying to create some sort of routine to make it easier - I see my trainer twice a week at the gym, and so I'm trying to make sure that I run at other days around the days that I see him. (It's harder in the winter/darker months than in the summer/lighter months, as I can't easily go out before/after work)

Mouseface Sun 10-Nov-13 19:25:13

Hello lovely slimmer, healthier people smile

Sorry I've not been around much to support anyone, life has been really busy! I am sad that it's our last fortnight.

BIWI - it's horrible having IBS. Since my life is now this WOE, everyone has said, in a nice way, how much weight I've lost and that I shouldn't lose anymore, which I am not planning on, I'm just maintaining now. My IBS is part of my life that is so much better now.

I don't have to worry about knowing where the toilets are, take extra pants blush etc......

So, thank you wonderful people. And of course BIWI because finally after years of yo-yo dieting, starvation, living on green, red or purple spotted food only <eye roll>, this works and I love it!!!

Queenie grin

Congratulations AuntieMaggie and yes how tricky finding food you can eat. Its probably quite individual - I remember "morning" sickness being set off by broccoli which is so innocuous you wouldn't expect it.

A friend of mine has just been diagnosed with gallstones; gallstones form in the bile duct, the bile is there to help digest fats. Therefore, she said, she'd been advised to eat a low-fat diet. I had a little wonder about whether this was the achilles heel of this low-carb-high-fat approach and so did some googling last night. Fortunately it seems that eating fat keeps the bile flowing and therefore LESS likely to hang around and turn into gallstones.

See www.dietdoctor.com/gallstones-and-low-carb

I do hope that's right!!

rubyblue Sun 10-Nov-13 21:59:50

Hi everyone, sorry to barge in on your thread but I am thinking about bootcamp and wondered how I join the next time. I have tried the 5:2 diet and got frustrated at the slow weight loss and the bad moods on the fast days, think it was you mouseface who suggested low carb.

I have used south beach diet successfully in the past and wondered if it is the same vein as bootcamp or whether it's outdated now.

Thanks for any advice.

maggie!!!!!!!! CONGRATULATIONS! I know how much you wanted it, I don't think I could be any more pleased for anyone!!! In all honesty I had big plans about eating but as soon as I upped the carbs to keep out of ketosis they are sooooo addictive I am finding it hard. I am going to try poached eggs on one bit of toast for breakfast, salad with sandwich filler style things for lunch and include lots of peppers, cucumbers etc.. Stick to meats with veggies for dinner, I am aiming to have at least one green veg but not worry about stuff like carrots, etc... Snacks are going to be nuts mostly and I am going to see how that goes this week..

Rubyblue start now! - there will be an ongoing bootcamp chat thread to keep you company. I think I did a variation of the south beach diet once, I can't quite remember, isn't that low fat and low carb? So the low carb bit might be familiar but in this case you eat high fat to keep your metabolism ticking over/ create conditions where fat can get out of your cells/ not get hungry or miserable/ generally be able to carry on as a way of eating because you're not deprived.

BIWI Mon 11-Nov-13 07:32:14
AuntieMaggie Mon 11-Nov-13 12:39:45

Thank mrshp smile

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