Week 7 - Autumn Low Carb Bootcamp - Have you tamed your inner gobbler?

(121 Posts)
BIWI Mon 21-Oct-13 07:42:51

Well, the proof will be in the low carb pudding

Come and confess all ...

Hope you have a good week.

Mine's getting off to a great start by going out this evening to see a friend I haven't seen for about 20 years, and so there will be wine involved. <sigh>


ImATotJeSuisUneTot Mon 21-Oct-13 07:56:46

Good Morning All. smile

Today, for the first time in my entire life, my outfit is a complete size 10, top and bottom. I took photos of the labels. blushgringrin I forgot to weigh in though!

Am on the count down to half term here, for me and the kids. Have a parents evening and an INSET to do first however.

Hope you all have a fantastic week. smile

StuntNun Mon 21-Oct-13 08:01:31

STS but one cm off under bust, waist and hips so I'm expecting hoping for a drop next weigh-in.

sybilfaulty Mon 21-Oct-13 08:24:07

2lb off for me! At last ! Have STS for the last 5 weeks so a little movement is finally a good thing.

Good luck to all weighing today.

bigkidsdidit Mon 21-Oct-13 08:25:55

3.5 off for me! I'm amazed as I'm feeling really bloated. Hurray smile

2.5lb ON for me, which I'm putting down to totm not the bottle of wine consumed last week Trying not to feel dejected (but struggling with toothache).

Keeping the faith. Especially as DH bought me celtic sheepskin boots last week and my calves aren't too hunky and yesterday he bought me jeans a size too small, which after a private/internal strop I tried on and they fitted!

are you taking painkillers for the toothache too ohfuck? obviously keep taking them if so, but they can impeed weight loss for some people too, and the general stress/sleeplessness/miserableness of pain doesn't help

hope that gets sorted soon

hurrah for jeans victory!

Thanks Willie, yes I am. In fact as totm pains have been bad (but not as bad as normal) I've been gobbling painkillers for 3 days.

Good to bear in mind.

thenightsky Mon 21-Oct-13 09:43:41

Well, after being a carb wine soaked twat alll the weekend, I appear to have put on one pound. That'll teach me.

I must make myself drink much more water than I have been doing. Tonight I'm home alone, so dinner will be 3 egg omlette with sprinkle of cheese and a massive salad. Total FF yoghurt for desert, maybe with a sprinkle of flax seed.

daisychicken Mon 21-Oct-13 09:49:52

Well done Iamatot and well done to everyone else who has lost weight! lost inches or just kept going!

I've not weighed myself (again) - I must as I'm curious but.. eh.. I dropped a dress size, I'm comfortable and isn't that really all that matters? (I'm within the right weight guidelines for my height and build now before anyone says anything! wink )

ohfuck can you get to the dentist today? Is it that sort of toothache? Hope it settles soon.

CrabbySmallerBottom Mon 21-Oct-13 10:20:38

Whoo-hoo ImATot in your size 10s! smile

flowers for all losers big and small.

1lb off for me this week - I'd lost that by Friday and I'm extremely lucky that I didn't put it back on again this weekend with the sloe gin debacle! That puts me at the same weight I was two weeks ago before last weekend's excesses of food and drink put a lb on. Next weekend we're going to visit friends so that'll be another episode of carby twatdom. I feel like I'm hovering at the same weight all the time; being really good during the week and then fucking it up at the weekend. I did have my 4lb whoosh fairy visit three weeks ago though, and also I'm towards pre-menstrual now and my breasts are doing their barrage balloon impression which must add a bit.

Some brilliant successes here - great news Sybil and ImaTot.

I'm 0.2lb up. Which given that I was 2lb up last Friday and had fruit salad last night is not as bad as it could be.

So I've got to drink lots of water!

Poppy162428 Mon 21-Oct-13 12:45:50

0.5lb off this week and I am not totally unhappy with this as I have STS for the last 2 weeks. I was 1.5lb down on Friday so I'm assuming it's the dairy I had over the weekend. Here's to a minimal dairy week to see if next monday's weigh in is a bit better!

timidviper Mon 21-Oct-13 13:46:49

1lb on this week which is disappointing as, at first thought, I felt was unfair as I haven't cheated but, on reflection, I have pushed things around the edges a bit here and there. Had a couple of days where I missed lunch so ate a handful of nuts, and I've had some sugar-free treats (although the exploding bum syndrome that follows should negate the drawbacks of eating sweet things by reducing constipation!)

Anyway it is what it is and I really need to do better if I am to be thinner for Christmas. Can you all please start kicking me up the bum on a regular basis?

NigellasGhost Mon 21-Oct-13 14:08:58

Hello fellow low carbers - I'm a lb or so down but not focusing on weight so much now, just trouser triumphs (as Crabby termed it)!

I've been very very stressed with ill DH and 3 very stressful teenage DDs over the past week or so - but every time an "incident" occurs I am telling myself "...... and breathe..." because i'm aware stress impedes weightloss....

timidviper I will gladly kick you up the bum if you do the same for me - run up to Christmas is a bit of a dangerous time isn't it! Although I almost think the New Year is even worse, because there's not so much to look forward to, the weather is dark and depressing (I really want to buy one of those lamps mentioned on the last thread) and something always seems to make me comfort eat in Jan/Feb. It was at that time of year I fell off the wagon big style last time - and ended up putting on a stone blush

googoogoggles Mon 21-Oct-13 17:01:31

Hello lovely low carbers
Well done any losers - and to those who're keeping on...
I am still away, so weighing in on Wed morning. Food a bit tricky but trying really hard to choose low carb/healthy options and NOT resort to protein bars. Probably too many nuts though ( and not enough water....) so will feel lucky if I manage to sts!

1lb off for me, I think I haven't been drinking enough water so that's my thing to work on this week.

Well done everyone, we're nearly there smile

whodunnit Mon 21-Oct-13 20:44:50


1lb off for me, which is not too awful, as Ihave been diarising my cheating and my carbs have siomehow snuck up to about 0g total per day. Have gone and bought loads of veg now. I will get back on track.

Hope your bum is ok, timidviper. Always good to itme it before weighin though smile

I did buy a pair of size 20 work trousers and wore them today. Am delighted at that. Also bought a pari fo size 18 to egg me onto better things.

Looks like the whoosh fairy has been sauntering through this thread... good news! She appears to have abandoned me this week ... too scared by all the cheating... she is like my mother... she sees everything!

BerylStreep Mon 21-Oct-13 21:07:08

Hello all. Well done to the losers.

I didn't get a chance to weigh this morning. My plans for the mornings are to take my basal temperature before I get up (because I am absolutely convinced I have a low thyroid) then to weigh myself. This morning I was hauled out of bed in a hurry, and tomorrow I have a super early meeting, so won't have a chance then either. Will post my weight soon though.

I am going through a super busy time at work at the moment, and often just don't have time to wee, let alone eat. Then it is coming home to homework, dinner, dishwasher and laundry. Does anyone else feel like they are run ragged? I can't decide whether to flop on the sofa and sob, drink wine & eat 85% chocolate, or read Excel for Dummies.

I have a feeling that the rest of tonight may feature all of the above.


..ing place!

keeponkeepinon Tue 22-Oct-13 09:25:11

STS this week for me, though its not surprising, in fact, I can't believe I managed it after the CT weekend I've had - we had 2 social events where things simply couldn't be avoided. I think thats what makes this liveable though, I am great during the week, but then at the weekend we usually have wine but if there's a social thing, I don't want to be feeling too deprived (cos thats the trigger to throw in the towel entirely). Anyway, I need to get something of a grip on it as I am staying the same all the time now.

Sorry I never got to reply to messages about me sts on the last thread, its mad hectic here too and I haven't had much time to sit and look at this. I think I've just answered my own problem above though, I do it fairly well during the week but at the weekend it can go out of the window, which causes me to sts by Monday. We're going away next week too so you know what that means...

Pleaseandthankyou Tue 22-Oct-13 10:48:52

Sts again ...... I am on a lot of medication at the moment which I am not used to. Would love a visit from the whoosh fairy. I am not eating a lot as not hungry but sticking to the rules. A few squares of Lindt 70% giving me a pick up now and then. Any advice?

NigellasGhost Tue 22-Oct-13 12:01:39

Yes BerylStreep I feel totally run ragged ATM as well - how did you get on last night? Were you able to avoid the sobbing and wine, at least?

sometimes the best move is to just go to bed as early as possible and read or watch TV or go on MN of course, a nice long way away from the kitchen. However if I do this it can end up totally stressful with 3 teenagers still up and being noisy and fighting

*Pleaseandthankyou" when I've noticed an upward fluctuation that I'd like to turn into a downward one, I:

- really concentrate on drinking the right amount of water
- concentrate on maximising good fats (eg butter, olive oil)
- try to avoid cheese, and possibly even avoid cream/yogurt
- get as close as possible to the spirit of the ubercamp menus (they are on a tab of the magic spreadsheet)

Hard to maintain this though (I've just typed this while snacking on cheese!) but doing all of that for at least a day or two might knock you off the STS perch?

toomuchicecream Tue 22-Oct-13 17:49:58

Oh no - didn't pack a big enough salad for lunch and was starving after I'd eaten so I fell into the biscuits. But on the plus side my 3 layered smoked fish terrine for Bake Off tonight is looking and tasting good - fortunately, because it's so large I'll be eating it for the rest of the week!

Oh well - tomorrow's another day. And I'm working hard on keeping the water up (and of the 3lb I'd put on on Monday, I'd lost nearly 2 by this morning - just shows how it's luck of the draw whether you weigh in at the top or bottom of a fluctuation).

bigkidsdidit Tue 22-Oct-13 19:18:26

I have a real yen for potatoes dauphinoise today. We used to have it fairly frequently with smoked fish and cabbage. I might try it with celeriac at the weekend.

I'm having a large gin but at least no cakes to watch bake off with smile

BIWI Tue 22-Oct-13 20:14:09

bigkidsdidit - it works brilliantly with celeriac. It isn't quite the same, but it's still lovely. As is celeriac boulangere and also celeriac tartiflette - recipes for both are on the recipe thread

VikingLady Tue 22-Oct-13 22:29:34

<stands up, shuffles sheepishly>

Hi, my name's VikiingLady and I'm a carby twat.

<sits down and tries to hide>

I've put on weight this week, after not really losing any. I'm having real trouble with weekends - we have to visit MIl and eat her very carby, sugary crap every Sunday (complex family reasons, absolutely no way of avoiding at the moment) and that makes me starving hungry until at least the end of Tuesday! Not to mention the booze on Sunday evening to recover.....

Will try harder. I lost tons of weight in a very short time the first time I tried this, and I know the reason it's not working well, but I'm sick of being fat!

whodunnit Tue 22-Oct-13 23:58:21

my last post was daft - my carbs have crept up to 50g per day, so I am now cuttingthem down. My nut consumption also rose as my planning fails and I grab food on the go. I am trying harder this week.

CrabbySmallerBottom Wed 23-Oct-13 00:06:14

Viking ideally you could explain to your MIL and just take some low carb food to eat. Failing that, I'd lie through my teeth, claim to have developed a tummy bug or IBS or something, and use that as an excuse to pick at your food/leave the carby bits and escape to the loo for regular sessions on MN on your phone. wink

captainmummy Wed 23-Oct-13 09:05:26

Crabby grin !
Bigkids - I do a turnip daupinoise which is lovely - not turnippy at all, just silky and creamy. I don't actually like celeriac very much, so don't tend to buy it but have lots of turnips in the garden!

bigkidsdidit Wed 23-Oct-13 09:27:06

Thanks both. I have a celeriac so will try with that this week then turnip next. Good excuse to eat lots of cream!

This morning my childminder told me how slim I was looking smile smile

Pleaseandthankyou Wed 23-Oct-13 09:30:16

Lily I have been cutting cheese etc. I think I am probably lucky to be staying the same. Maybe when I get off the medication I'll drop a dress size overnight

Please sorry its a bit tough right now, I hope there is an end date in sight for the medication. Well done you cutting out the cheese, I find that really difficult to do!

NewStartNewStory Wed 23-Oct-13 12:12:08

grin crabby

please medicine can be a right pita. Hang on in there.

I have not stood on the scales nor do i intend to. About to start hauling my ass back onto the wagon. I have got a rope attached to it and am currenting stood on a skate board being pulled along behind it making small steps back to being able to reach it. grin It might take me a while but i will get there. Seriously shattered from my adventures (slept virtually 24hrs straight blush ) but feeling far more relaxed and ready to kick life into touch.

nappyaddict Wed 23-Oct-13 12:36:16

Right I need to get back to low carbing properly.

I'm 63.9kg (I weigh myself in kgs because my scales will go up in 0.1 increments of a kg but it only does whole pounds)

I did bootcamp a while back and did really well on it. However I started sneaking in bits of pasta, bits of potato and was still losing weight. Gradually I was sneaking in more and more and you guessed it, started putting weight back on!!

I do find I still have to have a tiny bit of rice with curry but I have literally 1 tablespoonful and we only have curry once a week. With bolognese and chilli I find now I make it with really chunky veg and a salad on the side I'm not missing the pasta/rice component.

BIWI Do you know what the carb value is for dried dates? Are they low carb or not?

nappyaddict Wed 23-Oct-13 12:37:20

Sorry that should say undried dates.

BIWI Wed 23-Oct-13 12:59:19

74.97g carbs per 100g nappyaddict!

nappyaddict Wed 23-Oct-13 13:15:09

Oh my good god! Maybe not then. I thought 26.9g per 100g was bad enough!!

BIWI Wed 23-Oct-13 13:22:11

Willie I thought about sending that link to my various relatives who panic about my diet - but being the BBC they've hedged it around with all sort of conflicting points of view that my rellys would be bound to focus on instead!

captainmummy Wed 23-Oct-13 14:55:58

Willie - I saw that article on my news app; think it was originally in the Guardian!

googoogoggles Wed 23-Oct-13 15:40:08

Lovely Willie - please do not drop me off spreadsheet next week as I'm away again and I want to weigh myself on my home scales, despite their rather temperamental nature. If it helps your calcs, fine to put me down as sts again (okay, that may be a spot of wishful thinking on my part!)
I won't be checking in for a bit again but I hope everyone's doing generally okay.
Virtual tug on newstart's rope to haul her back on wagon
Welcome to de-lurkers and starters
Think this is a tricky time with carb creep – know I personally need to cut out the nuts and Total yoghurt and wine but it's tricky when I'm away with work (I often resort to nuts just so I can eat something that's not bread-based), then I'm away with family (in the land of the clotted cream though, so that's a positive).
Still trying though and plan to be back on Bootcamp (or uber camp) w/c 3rd November for the run in....

captainmummy Thu 24-Oct-13 08:05:34

willie - there is another low-carb = good, low-fat = bad article in the Mail today (I don't read it, it came up on my news app!)

We are going mainstream!!!

no prob googoo

captain i think people are definitely coming round to the idea that sugar in particular and other 'obvious' carbs are not so good - will probably take a while to rehabilitate saturated fats like butter though sadly!

CrabbySmallerBottom Thu 24-Oct-13 09:50:04

Here is the source article in the British Medical Journal - very impressive to send to your rellies! wink


CrabbySmallerBottom Thu 24-Oct-13 09:51:57

Actually that was the press release, sorry. Here's the article...


thanks crabby - this is interesting from the press release:

"a JAMA study revealed that a “low fat” diet showed the greatest decrease in energy expenditure, an unhealthy lipid pattern, and increased insulin resistance (a precursor to diabetes) compared with a low carbohydrate and low glycaemic index (GI) diet."

CrabbySmallerBottom Thu 24-Oct-13 10:22:10

Willie have a read of the full article - I just did and it's excellent; balanced, well argued and best of all very well referenced. I'm very very pleased to see this in the BMJ where it will reach so many of our GPs. The responses to the article are interesting and positive too...


tenementmonster Thu 24-Oct-13 17:42:48

happy to report that i am half a pound off a stone's weight loss.

if you are a bit sick of celeriac, i tarted it up by making it into a bubble and squeak thing. 3 well done bits of bacon, chopped up with grated cheese, grated courgette (and a couple of grates of onion), and the mashed celeriac. I tried to bind it up with egg and fried it. Ok it doesn't hold together like bubble and squeak, but it does taste like it. And not celeriac, which is a bonus.

sybilfaulty Thu 24-Oct-13 17:58:43

Where is everyone? It's a quiet thread this week. Hope everyone is ok and not posting because too much fun to be had I. Real life.

New, sorry that life has been tough. Hope you feel better for your rest and that life will calm down for you a little

Am struggling today a bit. Very tired and eaten crust if toast and a fish finger. Had 4 l of water too. Just need my bed! Am going to have frittata for supper. Made an excellent hash with mashed swede, kale and lamb on Monday. Tipped with a fried egg. Perfection. Good way of ekeing out not much meat, too.

sybilfaulty Thu 24-Oct-13 17:59:43

Tenement , we clearly are thinking along the same lines. I didn't put an egg in mine though. Will try that next time.

Hi; nothing to add, had a crappy week but ok food wise (more or less).

I've STILL got bad toothache and ont get to the dentist until Monday. That's stressing me out, making drinking and eating painful and just generally meh.

Totm has passed so weight dropping fast, but still not quite back to last Monday's, not too far off though, so will hopefully have a real fldrop by Monday.

Today I had only coffee with cream for breakfast, a cou

Lazy tired thumbs!

A couple of spoonfuls of tuna mayo with cucumber for lunch and a homemade lamb burger with mayo and avocado salad for dinner. I'm stuffed, it's so odd.

I've had lots of energy too but a bit zonked now. DH bathing dc then off to do shopping in tesco once I've bf giant 18 month old at bed time.

Hope everyone is ok, it is strangely quit. Hopefully it's jus. That we've all got the hang of it now!. I'm sticking to it, baked bread and brownies for my adorable carny twats this week and have crisps and yummy choc gingerbread in the cupboard which I've not touched or thought about.

StuntedFrankenNun Thu 24-Oct-13 19:10:19

I was a bit worried about having lunch in Ikea today but it was fab: tomato and mozzarella salad or smoked salmon and salad. I did have a sneaky panna cotta but that's not too bad right? It is my favourite favourite dessert and it was delish so it was worth it. grin

toomuchicecream Thu 24-Oct-13 19:19:09

Evening all - just had a delicious dinner. Meatballs fried in plenty of butter with lots of mushrooms and garlic. When they were cooked I added some double cream, Boursin and tomato puree so it looked a bit like tomato & mascarpone sauce (for benefit of DS of course...). I served it with cauliflower mash, but I blended the cauli in the food processor and added butter, cream and a little bit of mustard. Yum yum!

whodunnit Thu 24-Oct-13 19:57:50

Hello all

Yes it has gone a bit quiet hasn't it? Maybe it is now normal and really a WOE for most. Though there were quite a few who hadn't weighed on the spreadsheet, so msybe we hsve lost a few? And so close to the end....

I have just had a lovely tea of salmon and stir fry veg with thai coconut milk sauce. This WOE has got me cooking when I have never really got into it before.

And have done 3 two mile walks and rewarded with a cream tea - of which I unpicked the cream cheese with smoked salmon sandwich and left the bread. V delicious though, and the others scoffed the scones, jam & cream.

Hope everyone is well and the toothache has gone, ohfuckohfuck. Toothache is about the worst pain I've ever had.

NewStartNewStory Thu 24-Oct-13 22:05:49

Possible some are mn'ed out after the crazy that happened on mn last night?

NewStartNewStory Thu 24-Oct-13 22:06:43

Sorry you are still suffering with the toothache Ohfuck sad

Thanks nsns I hope you're feeling well.

So what happened last night then? <nosy>

Wow that press release is GOLD. I AM going to send it to my mother!

I was one whole lb down this morning for no reason whatsoever - I've been scoffing cheese and nuts etc! And I even ran out of butter yesterday. I had to mash my swede with olive oil, which I can not recommend taste-wise.

I think its stress. Serious horrid work deadlines plus I move house on Saturday NOOOOOOO! I still have an executive summary and some edits to do on a report tonight. <weeps>

NewStartNewStory Thu 24-Oct-13 22:47:08

Pag sums it up much better

Tried, my sleep pattern is a bit off atm and got side tracked last night. But so much better for the adventures. Tomo I am intending to be back on the wagon, I also intend to stand on the scales tomo too. I have a nice spread sheet of my own that I am intending on using. Graphs and everything. Hopefully the prettiness of it will keep me on track

bigkidsdidit Fri 25-Oct-13 07:24:02

I've been thinking about which carbs I'd like to reintroduce when I'm at goal weight. Definitely more wine, and maybe a few roast potatoes when i do a roast. But that's it, really. I genuinely don't feel deprived, I think I could eat this way forever smile

Wossname Fri 25-Oct-13 07:51:46

Sorry to jump on but i am after a bit of advice- i started bootcamp on Monday and i am quite enjoying it so far and have lost 4lbs, yay! However i dont really eat red meat so i am a bit concerned that i am having too much cheese and not enough good fat. Could someone check my average days food please?

B 2 coffees with cream, full fat Greek yogurt with splash of cream.

L Romaine lettuce with tuna+ full fat mayo, cucumber and cheese cubes to snack on.

D Mushroom omelette with 2 eggs and feta, lots of fresh spinach, cucumber and mayo. Also been having bit of salmon/mackeral/chicken breast on the side.

Plus gallons of water.

Am i on the right track? I havent had any tomatoes or tomato sauces but fine that a bit limiting. Am i able to have Quorn? The only meat i can stomach is chicken breast really, wish i could eat other cuts or types, it'd be so much easier.

Wossname Fri 25-Oct-13 07:52:26

Sorry for massive post blush

captainmummy Fri 25-Oct-13 08:25:40

Woss - Looks ok to me; bit heavy on dairy but if you don't eat red meat you are limited. Do you eat pork? Sliced up in a cream sauce a la stroganov? Belly slices would be excellent too. If you eat chicken try the thighs/drumsticks, they are fattier than breast - and more flavourful. I had Quorn the other day (pieces, stirfried) but I am on maintenance, so don't know if they are ok for bootcamp. Check the label - if it's less than 3g/100g it should be ok - but it is low-fat, so fry in butter and add cream/cheese/oil.

Fish is great - esp mackeral and other 'oily' fish.

Can you eat the skin on the chicken? If not, not much point!

Perhaps you need to consider looking at he veg lc tab on the spreadsheet (linked in he op) think there's a separate thread too. It sounds like it might suit you more.

Biggest Loser of the Week: bigkidsdidit
Biggest Overall Loser: whodunnit
Biggest %age Loser Overall: Maryz

<wild applause>

NewStartNewStory Fri 25-Oct-13 10:08:36

Well done to the losers!!!!!! grin

scales were kinder to me then i deserve. A hell of a lot kinder to me then i deserve.

Back on track this morning:
B: 2x coffee (sweet and milky -just less sweet then it used to be), 3 eggs scrambled.

next job the water. 3 ltrs to drink. lets do this <over runs thread with positivity and enthusiasm> wink

BIWI Fri 25-Oct-13 10:38:19

Brilliant performances!

And for all those of who worry about losing our marbles as we get older, have a read of Dr Briffa's latest blog

Low carbing not just good for our weight but also our brains/mental health

BIWI Fri 25-Oct-13 11:58:19
BIWI Fri 25-Oct-13 12:00:59
NigellasGhost Fri 25-Oct-13 12:16:57

I'm not weighing in but I'm really happy - definitely under 10 stone and I believe still heading downward. A 4 day "fat fast" kick started me so thanks BIWI for that one!

now going to read those links BIWI has posted .....

BIWI Fri 25-Oct-13 12:52:35

Good to hear it, Nigella! How did you manage the fat fast? It sounds absolutely dreadful to me!

NigellasGhost Fri 25-Oct-13 14:47:52

"A slight increase in fat consumption recommendation is not a licence to eat more butter" (Nordic link) - they lost me with that statement!

BIWI I loved the fat fast - I wasn't remotely hungry and did the shred all the way through it. It's really kick started things for me. But then again, I do love my double cream!

Wossname Fri 25-Oct-13 16:58:05

Thanks for replies earlier, think i prob am best to have a look at veggie bootcamp. I really am enjoying this way of eating though. Today my two toddlers have had pretty much the same as me! Has been so easy.

What's a fat fast?

HumphreyCobbler Fri 25-Oct-13 17:00:28

hello everyone

very late to this one, but I am starting again on Monday after having a baby three weeks ago! Am not planning to weigh in or anything drastic like that grin, OR to do bootcamp proper as am still in the early days of breastfeeding, but will aim for a kind of bootcamp light. Need to kick this sugar habit as it makes me feel rather shit. I fear it will be hard to get through the sugar barrier though, I may temper it with some berries.


congratulations humph! how is the gorgeous little thing, and how are you?

NigellasGhost Fri 25-Oct-13 17:23:59

Humph that is such wonderful news. How long til you'll be pureeing celeriac? grin thanks thanks thanks

wossname - a fat fast is outlined in the atkins book i think, and it's where you restrict your calories severely and increase the %age of calories you get from fat to 85-90%. this is quite difficult to do, as you are pretty restricted in what you can eat. most meats, even fatty ones, will increase the %age calories from protein too much, and you have to keep any portions of veg very small. people will often have 5-6 very small meals rather than three regular ones. this is something that should only really be done for a few days at most as you won't be getting enough protein and other nutrients for the long term, but i do know of people on another forum i frequent who try to eat like that all the time. i personally think this is risky and unsustainable (and there is a lot of beating themselves up when they fall of the wagon), but their choice...

i believe it is primarily intended for those who are severely insulin resistant, to make sure they really get into ketosis and fat-burning, or for someone who's experienced a lengthy stall (i.e. months and months, not a few weeks). i haven't done it myself, and would definitely not suggest it for anyone just starting out with low carbing!

nigella i bet after doing that you're definitely not feeling deprived doing regular low carbing in comparison with the fat fast! it's great that it's had such a positive effect for you

Hurrah humph!!!! Congratulations! I shall be watching with interest what you do, ready for follow your lead in May (I am twelve weeks today grin)

HumphreyCobbler Fri 25-Oct-13 17:52:56

aw thanks you guys

brilliant news MrsHP, congratulations xxxx

am loving the pic grin

baby is a boy and is gorgeous

StuntedFrankenNun Fri 25-Oct-13 18:22:52

Congratulations Humphrey! I was bfing pretty intensely when I started low carbing and I found I needed to eat through the night as well at first or I was foundered by morning. If I did it again I think I would make sure I had lots of water, nuts and maybe an emergency piece of fruit on my bedside table at night time.

captainmummy Fri 25-Oct-13 19:06:02

Congrats Humph!

HumphreyCobbler Fri 25-Oct-13 19:27:03

thanks for the tip Stunted.

AuntieMaggie Fri 25-Oct-13 21:21:44

Congratulations Humphrey smile

Not been a good week so far - not been overly twatty but a few bits here and there.

Ho hum... heres to a better weekend

Congratulations Humphrey! And good luck getting on the wagon, with all the other hard work of a new baby going on.

Wossname, I don't eat any meat and this WOE is working very well for me. But, I do eat more fish than I used to. I probably do try to eat cheese at only one meal a day most of the time. If you want any non-dairy days the ubercamp menus (on one of the spreadsheet tabs) are good inspiration.

I thought your menus looked fine. I tend to eat:
B - scrambled eggs and some sort of veg/salad (eg fried mushrooms)
L - salad usually either with tuna mayo or cheese. smoked salmon is another option.
D - often fish based but if not, an omelette, or veg curry...
Good luck, hope it works for you!

I was down ANOTHER whole lb this morning for the second day in a row. Could be a whoosh fairy but I think this is the stress fairy due to moving house. The broadband catches up with us on Monday so I shall not be able to MN all weekend!!

BIWI Fri 25-Oct-13 21:56:34

Congratulations, Humph! flowers

And brilliant, MrsHP, on your 12 weeks! More flowers

bigkidsdidit Sat 26-Oct-13 06:45:28

What a lovely thread of baby news grin my big lump is four months today too smile

More importantly, I just weighed in and I have lost a whole stone now! And I am in the 11 stones for the first time since I got pregnant smile

bigkidsdidit Sat 26-Oct-13 06:50:29

I've just seen the date. He's not four months today blush but three days ago. Poor neglected second born!

Such a lovely age bigkids!

BIWI Sat 26-Oct-13 09:16:04


Twice recently I have dreamt that I have lost my DS2, couldn't find the baby anywhere. Very distressing. But also very weird as DS2 is now 18.

Hmm. Worried about him growing up, possibly?!

StuntedFrankenNun Sun 27-Oct-13 05:04:30

BIWI you killed the thread!

I was at my ILs yesterday and my SIL very kindly made a low carb dinner for us! Roasted chicken legs and drumsticks - the skin was wonderfully crispy, sausages, mashed turnip and carrot, and chicory and celery salad with yoghurt dressing. It was a really good effort and very thoughtful of her.

StuntedFrankenNun Sun 27-Oct-13 05:33:36

Here is an interesting article about reasons for not losing weight on the LC diet: PART 1 and PART 2.

BIWI Sun 27-Oct-13 07:38:36

Morning all!

BIWI Sun 27-Oct-13 07:44:51

Those posts are really interesting, StuntNun - especially the one about healing your gut.

I used to suffer from IBS and it was one of the things I noticed when I started low carbing, that I wasn't suffering any more. And now, if I step off the wagon too much/for too long, it's likely to come back.

I hadn't considered that there might be a connection between the gut and weight loss/gain, but it makes sense really.

tenementmonster Sun 27-Oct-13 07:47:27

had a planned falling off the wagon yesterday which resulted in a lot of cake and chocolate.

just a case of (i hope) of clambering back on the wagon, saying enough and re-accustoming my tastebuds to non sweets stuff.

i don't want to sabaotage myself. It'll be ok wont it <wibble>

BIWI Sun 27-Oct-13 07:59:29

It will be OK! Just don't let yourself be sucked back into the carbs. Drink plenty of water and, if you can, do some exercise.

NigellasGhost Sun 27-Oct-13 09:26:53

BIWI I find that when I'm LC-ing I don't get thrush, whereas I was always very susceptible to it. Could be because of the yeast/gut thing in the article StuntNun linked to? I found the article very useful and interesting, thank you very much. I wonder would it be worth buying those supplements or would that be a "faddy" purchase? Could we buy similar from the UK? Do I really want to be taking MORE supplements, along with the fish oil and vitamins ones I'm already taking?

Willie - thank you for explaining about the fat fast. I believe this only worked for me because I have been LC-ing for a long time now and would not recommend it to anyone who has started LC-ing relatively recently.

MaryZombie Sun 27-Oct-13 10:43:55

I forgot to weigh on Monday but have updated with Tuesday's weight. Considering I had a night out with a Chinese takeaway I'm pleased to have lost a little.

But it's a bank holiday weekend here, the kids are on half term and I'm out again on Monday, so just stalling would be an achievement this week.

I've discovered I can fall off the wagon as long as I do it in one big go, and then climb straight back on. For me, the fact that I haven't touched bread, rice, pasta, potatoes or bread (or any wheat) seems to be enough. I can have the odd sneaky bar of chocolate and a couple of milky coffees a day.

Is this bootcamp 8 or 10 weeks? And what do we do when it's over. If I don't have to check in I might just stop as I have no self control whatsoever.

whodunnit Sun 27-Oct-13 10:57:25


Very intersting links, stuntnun - I have saved to favourites - the lady seems to make sense and put it in a very practical way.

Water is turning out ot be my downfall this week. If I don't make a good start on it early each day, then I tend to forget most of the day to drink anything. I used to be a ten cups of tea a day girl, so it is odd for me not to even want to drink. And it seems odd when constant consumption of tea and food was very normal for me not so long ago. I am starting to think that my pint glass inthe bathroom is the way forward Every time I have a pee, I drink a pint of water. I shall perseve and see if it works. And I was catching up with four pints ina row over an hour last night, my chemist- mate said I could damage myself.... any truth in that one? I think I realy need to pace myself and be consistent.

Will maybe go for a quick blast inthe 40mph winds and then settle with furry blankets, DVDs and lots of water for the afternoon to avoid the rest ofthe storms, whilst keeping a beady eye on that slightly dodgy tree in the the front garden.... I might just move the sofa a bit further away from the window....

AuntieMaggie Sun 27-Oct-13 11:01:08

Nigella last year after boot camp I ended up with really bad thrush over xmas and I put it down to eating loads of sugar (and carbs) that my body wasn't used to anymore. My gastric disease was also really bad which this woe really helps with.

If you're doing ok on the supplements you're already taking I wouldn't add anymore.

Weighed myself a day early this morning and down another 2lbs smile despite the little slip ups... Anyway back to it today and I'm gonna try to nail it for the rest of bootcamp and get another stone before xmas!

tenementmonster Sun 27-Oct-13 11:23:53

Maryz- I am going to graduate from this one then go straight on to the next bootcamp....got a lot of timber to lose yet!

will there be a new BC?

MaryZombie Sun 27-Oct-13 11:30:49

I hope there is a new one.

I've just realised that I seem to be the greatest loser on the spreadsheet. Which really shows how overweight I was shock

Congrats to the upduffed, btw flowers.

And more flowers to everyone who has stuck to this for the seven weeks so far. Especially those who are stuck atm.

StuntedFrankenNun Sun 27-Oct-13 11:54:09

Nigella I'm sticking with a vitamin and fish oil supplement but I do use a coarse salt which contains potassium, calcium and magnesium, or fine Lo-Salt which contains potassium. Between those and occasional nut consumption I hope I'm getting enough minerals.

I think it takes more than four pints to induce hypernatremia Whodunnit. When marathon runners get it, it's usually because they have already depleted their electrolytes before they drink a lot of water. But your body can only process so much water at one time so if you drink four pints of water at once most of it is going to go straight to your bladder so it won't give you as much benefit as four pints over four hours iyswim.

Negroni Sun 27-Oct-13 12:20:23

Hello all and sorry for being such an occasional poster on this bootcamp. It is because i have not been doing so well, bootcamp wise, just STS mainly, which I like to think is better than gaining!! puts positive spin on low carb failure Have stopped the weekly weigh ins for now but still very much continuing on this WOE.

Humph Congratulations on your new baby - fabulous news!

Nigella Why do your think the fat fast would only work for long time low carbers? Also, what is the key to your fabulous weight loss. I think (could be wrong) we were around the same weight in the summer/ end of last bootcamp but now you have stormed ahead - was it just sticking to the WOE? and not cheating like me Am sure this is a stupid question and the answer is just "yes!"

Well done to all the losers and thanks for keeping on posting. I do keep up with the thread and find it v helpful, just sometimes don't feel like I am doing well enough to post anything helpful!

BIWI Sun 27-Oct-13 12:25:31

When Bootcamp is finished (and it's 10 weeks), I'll start an ongoing chat thread rather than a new one every week. It's important, I think, to know that there's somewhere we can all come to moan/vent/preen!

MaryZombie Sun 27-Oct-13 12:40:19

Thanks BIWI.

And then I presume we will all need a new Bootcamp on January 1st?

I reckon I will try to keep losing until the kids get their Christmas holidays, and then just forget it all for a fortnight, hoping that I can avoid putting on too much.

Negroni, I'm not sure you have to post "helpful" things to post on this thread - I seem to mostly moan. I don't know enough to offer any advice. Though I'm learning all the time.

NigellasGhost Sun 27-Oct-13 13:15:16

Negroni there's nothing wrong with a good moan - I am sometimes absent from the threads for ages because I'm being a complete carby twat - goodness knows I do find this weightloss thing difficult sometimes - STS week in, week out was awful and I do mean for weeks on end. Perhaps next time that happens I'll make sure I come on here and moan about it so that the threads aren't just full of people losing pounds and pounds every day!! Regarding fat fast - I don't know the answer to your question, just that people who have just started LCing aren't really recommended to do it, and I don't want to encourage new LCers to try it before giving normal LCing a good go. I'm just not an expert and don't want to encourage the wrong thing! You started a while back though didn't you? What do you weigh?

thenightsky Sun 27-Oct-13 13:22:38

Mega carby twat me yesterday sad

Started well with a late breakfast, more a brunch, of scrambled eggs with double cream and butter added and 3 bacon rashers, followed by coffee with double cream.

All fell apart after a knackering visit to Ikea and Costco. Came home with sweet potato pakora, spinach and pine nut ball things, bottles of cava and a massive box of choc chip shortbread. Yes, I had a go at all of them things.

<slaps own wrists>

StuntedFrankenNun Sun 27-Oct-13 13:48:16

Afaik Negroni the fat fast is only recommended for people that have been LCing for over a year. If you look at the links I posted earlier today, they state that it can take a long time, i.e. months, for your body to adapt to the LC diet.

I had originally planned to diet from mid-June to mid-December then stop but I honestly don't think I could go back to my previous WOE now as I have lost weight but I also feel so much healthier now. No IBS, no period pain, no 'tummy trouble' the day after a curry, my gums don't bleed anymore, my eczema has cleared up, I haven't taken my asthma inhaler in so long I can't remember, even my allergies (dust and cats) aren't as bad. I think I must have had a real, systemic, inflammation issue that was making everything else worse. My perennial rhinitis is vastly improved and apparently I don't snore any more which could be because of the rhinitis improving and/or the weight loss. I'm going to view Christmas as an opportunity for a few planned cheats: a bit more booze, a roast potato with my Christmas dinner, and a tiny portion of Christmas pudding with lots and lots of extra thick cream. I think if I were to hit the mince pies, biscuits and chocolates then I would gain a load of weight and feel very bad about myself in the New Year.

Wossname Sun 27-Oct-13 14:49:16

Thanks Willy for info re fast, too hardcore for me then! Will stick to the low carb eating and try some Quorn stir fry or mince, as captain suggested, if its low carb enough

Lily, have you found losing weight easy-ish while not eating meat? I am definitely liking this way of eating, but probably too much as I think i am over eating. According to scales Ive lost 7lbs in 1st week, but i am not convinced thats possible while inhaling the
amounts of cheese and cream I have.

BerylStreep Sun 27-Oct-13 17:04:41

Hello all, just checking in. Am away in Tenerife for 10 days. Can someone update my weight on the SS please as I don't think I can on the phone. Pretty much sts. was 199 lb the other day.

I really am thinking quite seriously about a tummy tuck / lipo, it is my main area where I carry my bulk (well, apart from my thighs, arms and back). This woe is great for me, no sugar highs and lows, love the food, don't gain weight, etc. however I'm not really losing either.

Having spent most of the morning people watching round the pool, I realise that people really do come in all shapes and sizes, and I suppose part of me realised that I will never have the body I had when I was 30 ever again, but nor do I want to have this pregnant looking gut either. I'm fed up with catching people glancing at my tummy wondering, or even worse, asking, if I am expecting. Some silly woman once refused to allow me to check onto a Flybe flight a couple of years back because she thought I was too pregnant to fly despite me telling her 3 times I wasn't pregnant angry. I plan to see my GP once home to discuss some options.

Anyhow, in the meantime I plan to relax and enjoy myself. We are in the most wonderful hotel with lovey lc food. We have our own private pool on our terrace, so it is absolute private bliss! Just going to go for a stroll along the beach.

whodunnit Sun 27-Oct-13 17:22:18

ooh Beryl lucky you! Sounds like you are already having a great holiday it's nice to have time to relax and think about stuff (and people watch...)

I remember going to centreparc a few years ago and I noticed that swimwear is a great leveller. I am very fat and I thought that anyone who wan't was therefore thin and looked great. Down by the pool , there was hairy people, people with huge scars, weird legs, acne, all sorts.. and I realised that they were possibly as paranoid as me but about completely different things that I would never have guessed about. They were probably not bothered at all about my size but were checking me out for hairiness or other things that they were concerned about. Or not at all concerned about probably. No offence to anyone, but it was a great realisation to me that we really all are different and it is not a competition.

And then I stopped being bothered and ate mars bars until now......

NigellasGhost Sun 27-Oct-13 18:03:41

you are so right whodunnit - we all have our little fixations (or not so little)!! A really good friend of mine couldn't stand her nose despite it looking fine to the rest of us. She did have a nose job and hasn't looked back since - she's very pleased - although we can't really see much difference and think she looked fine before anyway. But the main thing is she is happy.
Beryl is it actually fat around your tummy, or more loose skin?

thenightsky Sun 27-Oct-13 23:59:24

HELP... can someone link to me to some proof that it is NOT OKAY for bootcampers to eat rice and pasta. I've got some twat berating me on Facebook and telling me that 20g of carbs is too low and I should be eating enough to meet my energy requirements for each day.

Why would I do that? If my energy was fullfilled by eating carbs, how the fuck would the fat get burnt up?

She is telling me that brown rice is good and pasta is good as long as it is the green spinach kind! Arrrrrgh!


BIWI Mon 28-Oct-13 06:53:51

Why bother with a link? She's not going to take any notice of you!

Just block her from your Facebook.

Off to start the new thread ...

BIWI Mon 28-Oct-13 06:58:47

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