Week 6 - Autumn Low Carb Bootcamp - and we head to the finish line!

(168 Posts)
BIWI Mon 14-Oct-13 07:29:39

Here is the Spreadsheet of Fabulousness

Hopefully the scales are moving for us all now, albeit rather more slowly than they were to start with. And this is good. Honestly!

To keep weight off, it's much better to lose it slowly and over a longer period of time. Remember, despite how people may talk about low carbing, this is not a crash diet. It's a way of eating designed to allow you to switch to fat-burning, rather than carb-burning, which will therefore allow you to lose weight - and which brings with it a myriad of other health benefits.

Please share with us your successes as well as your frustrations. Even if we're struggling, which all of us will do from time to time, and it might be galling to read that others are doing well, ultimately it's important for us all to hear the successes because it helps us to (continue to) believe that this is a WOE which can work for us.

And <channels inner Olivia> PEACE AND LOVE!

Hope you all have a good week.

Lifeisontheup Mon 14-Oct-13 07:35:12

2lb loss this week. My loss has been slow but steady. I started at 12 stone 10 and am now 12 stone 2 so only another 2 to go before I'm into the 11 stone zone.
I'm finding that my appetite has decreased hugely so am not eating anything like the quantity I used to. Must up the water this week though as that's been slipping.

189lb! 3 lb off this week after my mini (ish) tantrum, the whoosh fairy showed up. I know it's not all about weightloss, but it is sooooo encouraging after sts, for almost 3 weeks.

So I've broke the 190 barrier and have 8lb off since BC beta and 11 1/2 lb off since I tentatively started this WoE in the last week of August.

Thank you BiWi. I'm truly sorry for not keeping the faith, I feel ashamed that I let RL issues creep in.

Fingers crossed that old whooshy has been busy.

StuntNun Mon 14-Oct-13 08:02:23

Another drop here although I'm going by yesterday's weight due to my late night duck curry last night. blush While the oft touted 1-2 lb weight loss a week doesn't seem very exciting or fast enough it does mean that your skin has time to keep up with the weight loss. When I started LCing I had a rapid weight loss at first but it left my stomach looking like an empty sack for a while until the skin and subcutaneous fat shrank back into place which took a surprisingly long time.

morning everyone

just marking place as have so much to catch up on

Maryz Mon 14-Oct-13 08:11:25

Only a pound this week - though I'm actually delighted because last week included a very carby meal out, and quite a few lapses on the coffee/chocolate front blush

This week is going to be strict <speaks sternly to self>

Well done Maryz I know you we're worried. smile

captainmummy Mon 14-Oct-13 08:36:41

Just acatching up with last week -

asgoodasitgets - those are fab photos! You are in the same dress size but look so much sleeker. Nice to remind us that the scales are not the only measurement we should be looking at; tape measures, photos, clothes - all make a difference.

Good luck all

bigkidsdidit Mon 14-Oct-13 08:38:45

Sts for me but 1.5 inches off my waist shock

This week is about focussing on water for me, that's been sliding recently.

rubybricks Mon 14-Oct-13 09:22:39

good morning losers! just wanted to share a mini triumph with you, i didn't manage to stick to bootcamp the first two weeks and so haven't joined in the discussions here as i didn't feel i could encourage anyone - but, but BUT - with just a pound off this morning those magic little words popped up on my scales for the first time EVER (i bought these scales about 3 years ago, when i was nudging 12 stone) "HEALTHY WT"!!!!! my BMI is apparently 24.7 - i have never really taken much notice of that figure but was always mildly offended at the scales telling me i was "OVERWT"!!

i have largely adopted low carbing as a WOE since the april bootcamp, and am so grateful to have found BIWI and Willie and these threads, i really wouldn't have believed it was possible as i have struggled for most of my adult life with weight issues. i still have a way to go though - would like to be under 10 stone if possible (and haven't been there for 2 decades)

good luck to all and thanks again for the support thanks

fitflopqueen Mon 14-Oct-13 10:26:09

STS again, need to drink more water and eat more fat I think!

Collywibbles Mon 14-Oct-13 10:28:48

STS this week, but I am a long-term LCer (over 2 years) and I have been this weight +/- a couple of pounds for the last 14 months so I suspect that is my body saying it is happy at this weight. Interestingly I am a different shape than I was last year but I usually do quite a lot of exercise so suspect I have gained muscle. I am having a rotten Crohns flare at the moment so am not really doing very much and am back on steroids which is a bit rubbish, sigh ....

CrabbySmallerBottom Mon 14-Oct-13 10:33:04

Ruby Congratulations, that's brilliant!

Mouse hope you and your wee fish are feeling much better now.

Negroni, just for you (and anyone else who's a bit envy that I seem to lose the weight quite easily), I've put on a lb this week. God the sacrifices I make for you all! wink grin

I'm actually pretty pleased with that because I had a carby twat lunch with DMIL on Tuesday which wasn't even that nice, and then a total blow-out this weekend. My oldest friend took me took me out for a meal in London as a belated 40th treat. It's very rare that I get the chance to get all dolled up and go out on the town so it was rather exciting. I even wore my sexy high heeled boots, which I haven't done for years! My friend couldn't get over how trim and slim I'm looking, which was great for my self confidence. Even better for my self confidence was the fact that the gorgeous Brazilian waiter flirted outrageously with me all evening and gave me his phone number!! shock blush Seems I'm not quite as over the hill as I feel most of the time even if looking that good was a bit of trickery created by make-up, a new bra and some flattering clothes! grin

Hope the whoosh fairy is at her most beneficent for everyone this week. I need to get my nose to the grindstone again to shift this last 10lbs.

tenementmonster Mon 14-Oct-13 10:46:19

good luck all today. 2 1/4 off , so that's 10 lbs all up.

Ruby that's brilliant! A great milestone - I too one day look forward to having a normal BMI!

Great news Ohfuck fingers crossed it continues downwards.

Ha Crabby what's 1 lb when you can fit into those nice clothes and men are giving you their numbers!

I'm 0.6lb down. I'm a firm believer in the slow and steady, 1lb off a week is a triumph as BIWI said in the OP.

I also like to fool myself with this way of thinking - 1lb ON is just a meaningless fluctuation but 1lb OFF is a pack of lard gone from your body forever! (right...)

sybilfaulty Mon 14-Oct-13 11:49:03

Hello everyone

Well done to all who have lost. I've decided not to weigh til later in the week following enforced carbs yesterday lunch. WE were at a friend's house where lunch was spag bol (aaargh!) followed by cake (double aarrgh!) and there was no way to refuse either or leave things without looking weird and rude. I ate them both and smiled politely, though I did refuse seconds and chocolates. I'm not a big one for cake generally but used to love pasta. I did think how much nicer it would have been over some yummy veg....

Keep the faith everyone. We will get there. I am taking photos of my tummy so I can see my progress (or lack of!) and today it was flat under my bra but about 5 months gone below my tummy button. Carb bloat. Water, water, water today (with a side of butter!).

Thanks to BIWI and Willie for all the organising and to everyone for the chat and support.

Mouseface Mon 14-Oct-13 12:22:37

Afternoon, tis me, Mouse

*****WELL DONE TO ALL OF YOU WHO HAVE LOST WEIGHT OR INCHES!!!***** smile thanks smile

2lb here this week, which is a miracle because my bowels are sloooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooower than ever just now so a good proportion of my weight is waste. blush

Crabby - we're better today thank you, Nemo was sick in the night, really sick, one of those projectile voms that shoots across the room, and I managed to catch it in a bowl. It was just a build up of snot and mucus bless him. He's absolutely fine today though, as cheeky as ever and getting cuter by the day, he high fived his 1-1 as she came out to get him this morning! grin

Thank you thanks to BIWI and the fab Willie for continuing to keep these threads going week after week and helping us out smile

I'm now at 9st 7lbs so just want to maintain now, would I be better to switch to Bootcamp light? All thoughts welcome smile x

AuntieMaggie Mon 14-Oct-13 15:55:08

Forgot to weigh this morn but I think I've stayed the same which makes sense as I've lost every week so far and I think I'm due to ovulate which always bloats me. I also had some fruit at the weekend at a exercise thing.

This woe really suits me as I don't weigh or measure anything and my appetite for crap has vanished (apart from ice cream). The longer I do this the more my tastes change and more foods I go off which may become a problem at some point...

My shape has gone back to its hourglass rather than the round middle I had from pcos and carbs when I came off the pill. Still have a huge ass though but dp likes it...

captainmummy Mon 14-Oct-13 15:55:55

Mouseface - you do make me laugh! Glad you are feeling so upbeat.

Collywibbles - My shape has definitely changed. After decades on the low-fat Rosemary Conley type WOE (and staying, to be fair, at 9st4) I still never got rid of my love-handles.
Over a year ago I started Low-carbing, (when I got to nearly 10st, and I can honestly say that even though I am back to 9st4, my love-handles are gone. I have a theory that it's there that the glycogen stores are stacked. grin

Frenchfemme Mon 14-Oct-13 16:16:55

I haven't dared weigh today after a very bad couple of weeks, but I'm back low carbing with a vengance. To help me focus, and reinforce my determination, I will try posting my food for a few days. Any suggestions/comments gratefully received:
B - black coffee, ham, small piece of Comte cheese, couple of pieces sun-dried toms and artichoke in oil;
L - h/m veg soup made with a pack of pot-au-feu veg (leeks, carrots, turnip, celery) plus tin of tomatoes (made about 5 portions);
D - will be l/c cauliflower cheese, Savoy cabbage and saucisse from local butcher (so all meat, no cereal).
Plus 3 litres water and another black coffee.
Well done to all the losers!

Mouseface Mon 14-Oct-13 17:14:28

Captain - why do I make you laugh? Is it my complete honesty about the fact I don't pooh properly and I'm never shy about it? grin The vom stories? grin

Seriously, you'd have been of last proud of that hurl and catch! grin grin grin

StuntNun Mon 14-Oct-13 17:35:10

I had a comfort eating requirement this afternoon due to moving house stresses and a non-sleeping baby with sore teefs but managed to rescue it from a Crunchie ice cream, which I really wanted, to two lamb chops with mint sauce, which I really enjoyed. Only problem is I don't really want my tea now which DH is cooking. blush

B: three strawberries and Greek yoghurt
S: ten almonds and six macadamia nuts, one Babybel
L: bacon and mushrooms
S: two lamb chops
D: low carb sausages and leek fried in butter (but too full of lamb to eat much)

Frenchfemme Mon 14-Oct-13 18:09:33

The saucisse that was for dinner has suffered a dog-related incident, so dinner will now be cauliflower cheese with ham and chorizo!

NewStartNewStory Mon 14-Oct-13 18:16:07

Did the dog enjoy his dinner FrenchFemme ?

2 out of 3 meals have been good here but 3 meals have been eaten. water is well down on where it should be and there might have been a close encounter event with a rather large pot of coffee

B: scrambled eggs cooked in butter
L: erm sunflower seed rolls with butter on it
T: Spag bol sauce on top of cauliflower with cheese on top.

Now to fix the lunch bit and I might be heading back on track. Hopefully. Maybe.

NewStartNewStory Mon 14-Oct-13 18:17:19

Congratulations to all of the losers and shape changers!!

Frenchfemme Mon 14-Oct-13 18:26:47

He loved it NewStart. My fault for forgetting that the new (on trial, cat-chasing) new boy can reach right to the back of the kitchen worktop, and he is as fast and silent as a stealth-bomber when on a mission!

AuntieMaggie Mon 14-Oct-13 20:01:17

captain you aren't far wrong about the love handles... You are susceptable (?) to weight there if you're stressed because of cortisol which also is reactive to carbs... or something confused

I've just had a lush indian at Aagrah in Sheffield... I was a bit upsrt when I realised my fave lamb saag wasn't in the buffet anymore but the lamb chops they've replaced it with are gorgeous (i almost took the whole lot grin) i did have a couple of small poppadoms too so I wasn't completely good...

timidviper Mon 14-Oct-13 20:49:37

I have lost another 2lb and am happy with that as I have had a couple of events in the last week.

Not been brilliant today as have been caught up so couldn't get lunch then was so hungry I have eaten more than I should have for tea including some sugar free marshmallows blush Still tomorrow is another day and I only have 4lb to get down to my next whole stone so back to strict tomorrow

toomuchicecream Mon 14-Oct-13 21:25:25

STS, which I'm happy enough with after my Saturday night. Managed to avoid the left overs yesterday, and then ended up having a small piece of Black Forest Gateaux as it's my DS's birthday. But I sent all the rest of it (and some of the cheesecake) home with the grandparents - DH is taking the rest of the cheesecake into work tomorrow.

And tomorrow's Bake Off party theme is savoury canapés. So - frittata makers - please advise! I'm planning on using my small silicone moulds to make a tray of mini-fritattas - the diameter isn't much bigger than a 50p. Should I fry the vegetables first and then put them in the moulds, and top up with beaten egg & herbs? Or should I add some cream to the mix? Or put the veg in raw? And how long do you reckon they'll take - about 10 minutes in a medium oven?? Any helpful (or indeed unhelpful if entertaining) suggestions gratefully received.

Love making frittata. Mini ones should only take 10 min, so definitely fry the veg/bacon/chorizo in butter before. Add cream and sprinkle chees on top. Herbs sound lovely.

toomuchicecream Mon 14-Oct-13 21:45:40

Thank you - good to know I'm on the right lines. And I'd forgotten about cheese... I'll let you know how they turn out.

whodunnit Mon 14-Oct-13 22:23:55

I am very jealous of you who FORGET TO WEIGH..... I am thinking of the weigh in often on a sunday and then on monday as I forgo breakfast and walk two miles to work and then weigh myself. If I owned scales, I would never be off them... a bit like the blood pressure machine which I got banned from using due to the effect of my constant use on my blood pressure which was on a rollercoaster because of it....

Anyway, glad to report a loss of 1.5kg this week. Need to drink more water as I am getting out of the habit. also tested myself on a sunday dinner yesterday minus the potatoes and carrots but I think I overdid it and came out of ketosis (according to the stix) But then I did also try three one inch squares of German muesli bread (at about 3.5g per inch I reckon) And 2 squares of 85per cent dark chocolate dipped in tea and sucked ... deelish!

I need to get back to the rules and stop trying to reinvent my own version of bootcamp....Just doing it now, BIWI....

BIWI Mon 14-Oct-13 22:34:11


Glad to see that things seem to be happening for many of you resists temptation to say "I told you so"

Busy day for me today.

Breakfast - none! Ran out of time before I had to go to work (it's going to take some getting used to all this 'going to work' palaver, as opposed to sloping off from the sofa to my desk!)

Lunch - couple of hard boiled eggs and some corned beef
Dinner - chicken, chorizo and olive casserole, braised cabbage and onions with lemon, spicy cauliflower rice

Lots of water

I forgot to weigh this morning as well, so I'll have to do that tomorrow. I'm not expecting it to be good news as I've had some very carby days over the last couple of weeks.

thenightsky Mon 14-Oct-13 23:11:45

Lost 2lb this week.

I had actually lost 5lb when I hopped on the scales on Friday morning, but I've had a bad carb weekend with wine and two meals out. I'm also ashamed to say I fell head first into a chocolate ice cream sundae with flakes, maltesers and choc chunks added blush It gave me such a carb rush I thought I was going to faint... the room went all fuzzy and spinny when I tried to stand up. I won't be doing that again in a hurry.

CrabbySmallerBottom Mon 14-Oct-13 23:15:59

Thanks Lily, and I like your thinking on the fluctuation/lard! grin

Mouse well done on capturing the projectile hurl and glad you're feeling better. wink

French your change in saucisse status really made me laugh! grin

Not very hungry today.
B - few mouthfuls of berry crumble
L - 2egg omelette with tomatoes, cheese and ham
D - pork belly with a shallot and mushroom sauce and mashed swede.
3 cups tea, lots of water.

BerylStreep Mon 14-Oct-13 23:18:14

Hello all. STS this week, as always, but feeling good. Am trying to go dairy / alcohol free this week.

timidviper Tue 15-Oct-13 00:11:23

Don't anybody follow my lead of eating a few sugar free marshmallows unless you have a really, really (and I mean REALLY) severe case of constipation.
My stomach is making noises like Yoda in a washing machine and I could go through the eye of the proverbial needle blush
I promise I will be good from tomorrow

MollyMollyMollyMolly Tue 15-Oct-13 00:58:52

Hi Ladies
I have been doing this woe off and on for awhile but am doing it again more seriously now so hope to be able to put down my loses soon. Well done all of you for doing so well. Can I ask, what positive health changes have you noticed since doing this woe? smile

StuntNun Tue 15-Oct-13 06:28:08

Molly - clearer skin (fewer spots, less moisturiser needed), more energy, no 'tummy trouble' (by which I mean diarrhoea), less painful periods (I used to have to take painkillers for the first three days, now I don't need them), no cravings before my period is due (it took three months for those cravings to die down), no bloating after some meals (I now suspect gluten may be a problem for me), no constant requirement for snacks, no bad-temperedness due to blood sugar levels dropping, never being starving hungry... not to mention that I've lost weight!

bigkidsdidit Tue 15-Oct-13 06:43:36

Very shiny hair, no bloating!

There was someone perhaps MrsHP ? Who had lower cholestoral, bp etc when teated after a year or so of doing it.

BIWI Tue 15-Oct-13 08:09:54

No IBS, no thrush

captainmummy Tue 15-Oct-13 08:13:08

Yep - MrsHp is diabetic, and has reported her blood sugars are much more stable on this. I get rosacea, which is markedly better to the point where it surprises me if it flares up (once or twice a year now!) No bloating (if I eat wheat I blow up like a balloon) No faint,shaky feelings if I don't eat for 2 hours. ..

daisychicken Tue 15-Oct-13 08:28:53

Hi all, sorry I've been a bit quiet but I'm still here! I'm struggling though... TOTM and all I want is sugar.... eek! I'm mostly managing to get though but the evenings have been really hard... mind over matter.. I CAN do it!

Well done to everyone who's keeping going!

starrystarryknut Tue 15-Oct-13 09:33:44

Another 1lb off this week. Not dramatic but I'm steadily going down 1lb per week and I'm happy with that. On my way to a meeting in London today and I'm wearing a size 10 black pencil skirt that I haven't worn in (ahem) a while... Feeling good about myself smile

QueenQueenie Tue 15-Oct-13 09:50:16

I can report:
Fantastic skin
Much more energy
Lack of bloating
More stable mood
no feeling hungry between meals
Slow but steady weight loss.

Can you tell I'm pleased? !

ImATotJeSuisUneTot Tue 15-Oct-13 09:59:47

3lb down this week.

At 143 now - makes my BMI 21.

Im keeping at the LC-ing in the hope of slimming down my thighs a little, although it seems to be coming off everywhere but there!

Have a great week everyone.x

Whodunnit what a great loss! Well done.

Mouse I prescribe you sugar-free marshmallows. Who knows, might make the difference where all the other laxatives fail?

Starry hooray for your glamorous pencil skirt!

BIWI Tue 15-Oct-13 13:06:30

OMG - I have just discovered cauliflower rice. I made it last night, with shallots, chilli and soy sauce and it was absolutely fabulous. I over-processed it, so it's actually a bit more like couscous in terms of texture, but it is really good!

Snatchoo Tue 15-Oct-13 13:15:52

0.8lb ON this week.

I think I've hit the dreaded plateau. Need to stay focussed!

I've had a bad couple of weeks, was my birthday 1st, had pizza and cake on the Tuesday then again on the Sunday as forgot DHs nan was putting on a birthday party (for her not me!). Still was 1.8lb down on the Tuesday though.

This week, was good all week aside from KFC on Sunday, but been feeling a bit 'stopped up' as it were which definitely isn't helping!

All in all, I've lost about 10lb, my shape has changed (I don't look 7 months pregnant anymore blush) and my jawline is creeping back. I've had THREE photos taken of me which I look nice in, and my clothes fit better!

Focussing on water intake today as we have nothing in at home. I think I'm going to strip it right back to veg and meat this week, I can feel I'm eating too many not really allowed things which undoubtedly won't be helping.

Cauliflower race is amazing! I actually think its so much nicer than actual rice. Need to have a go at a 'risotto'.

Maryz Tue 15-Oct-13 14:05:31

Ok, I have missed something here - wtf is cauliflower rice?

NigellasGuest Tue 15-Oct-13 14:33:38

Hello all - I'm not weighing in but still hard at it!
I'm considering a Fat Fast......

bettybigballs Tue 15-Oct-13 14:43:03

Bleaaugghhhhh, totally fell off the wagon two weeks ago. Having a grim time of it at the minute. Starting to surface a bit and need to dust myself off, get back on the wagon and realise that eating shit food and drinking two bottles of wine a night isn't helping me cope or look after myself. Going to do a shop tomorrow and spend today planning a few meals.

Really enjoying reading the threads and catching up with everyone's progress.

StuntNun Tue 15-Oct-13 14:52:49

Maryz grate cauliflower e.g. in the food processor until it is in rice-sized pieces then stir fry or fry in butter or steam. It's great with curries. Unfortunately my DH will not ever never eat cauliflower. hmm

captainmummy Tue 15-Oct-13 14:55:10

I grate the cauli on the big-hole grater and then microwave it for a min or so.
Mashed cauli is also fab - i use it in place of mash and it is almost identical. Same texture, no cauli taste, lots of butter... grin

NigellasGuest Tue 15-Oct-13 15:49:14

the cauli rice tastes great but it STINKS!

Really?! Mine doesn't at all. I wonder why yours does? I microwave for 2-3 mins with butter.

NigellasGuest Tue 15-Oct-13 17:27:31

perhaps I should try making it again! Just seemed to smell strongly like boiled cabbage.

timidviper Tue 15-Oct-13 18:03:05

I process cauliflower to couscous texture. Melt 1oz butter in a pan and gently fry a few pine nuts until toasted, add 1 tsp turmeric then stir fry the cauliflower. When cooked add a squeeze of lemon and some chopped coriander. It is truly yum!

Nigella I find it smells less if I slightly undercook it.

Am meeting some friends tonight. Had planned to be virtuous but have had a shit day at work so will hit the gin and enjoy it smile

Agree cook it as little as possible, it won't be too hard and the smell you describe is the overcomes smell (I always get when I steam the damn stuff!)

StuntNun Tue 15-Oct-13 19:13:23

I found a sour cream salad dressing today if anyone fancies a break from vinaigrette. It was 2 tbsp sour cream, 2 tbsp olive oil, 1 tbsp white wine vinegar, 1 tsp Dijon mustard, salt and pepper. It whisked up to a lovely creamy dressing. You could add some garlic too if you like I can't abide raw garlic.

B: three strawberries and Greek yoghurt, three rashers of bacon and a Babybel
S: half a raspberry scone with butter (strictly in the interests of egg challenge of course blush)
L: ham salad with sour cream dressing
S: pork scratchings
D: lamb curry with wilted baby spinach

Good luck getting back on the wagon Betty!

B - scrambled egg, fried mushrooms
L - tomato soup, cheese, leftover spinach & feta bake
D - fish pie-without-the-potato, broccoli, mashed swede

BIWI Tue 15-Oct-13 20:45:06

I have been resisting cauliflower rice because I thought it would taste of cauliflower. I like cauliflower but didn't want a rice substitute that tasted of cauliflower! But it really doesn't

whodunnit Tue 15-Oct-13 21:48:23

oh mollymolly - such wondrous changes! I have a bounce in my step which is not all due to the reduced weight - just feel a bit more loose of the joints (lubricated by butter no doubt) and a bit more lively. And I noticed that my legs are no longer truly hideous - just a bit podgy now rather than the ugly back knee flabby luimps & dimples I was horrified to discover in the summer. Am also amused carrying my backpack of vegetables (bloody heavy - crisps and biscuits are much lighter alas) up the hill home, and thinking that they weigh about 7kg and that is something like the weight I have lost so far. That amuses me greatly and makes me glad to be carrying the veg, and to be able to put it down when I get home.

I was also going to report cleaner feeling teeth, but I do have meat traps between them that I have to be more careful with now. Twas never a problem with biscuits, alas and alack....

prettybird Tue 15-Oct-13 22:09:38

Sorry to ask an ignorant question but do you cook the cauliflower first or grate/process it first to make cauliflower rice? ��

toomuchicecream Wed 16-Oct-13 06:45:32

Chop it raw. I find it al oat easier than when I cook it as normal cos I just slice it into wedges it fit the food processor feeding tube rather than trying to break it into evenly sized florets.

Ohfuck - I was crowned star baker last night at my Bake Off party for my mini frittata. I was told they were very original!

captainmummy Wed 16-Oct-13 08:50:11

Well done Toomuch!

Was going to post a while ago to the poster who said it was expensive on this WOE and you've reminded me, whodunit! I find that my shopping is pretty much the same price; - once i would buy 2-3 boxes cereal (how expensive are cereals now?!!), 4 loaves bread per week (2 nice seedy ones for me, 2 white 50/50 for dc), more potatoes/rice/pasta/tins of pulses, tons of fresh fruit, more flour and sugar, cakes, biscuits, chocolate, ice cream...; as opposed to more meat (the cheaper cuts!) more cheaper veg (broccoli, cauli, cabbage, frozen) and salad in season. I still buy bread, biscuits and the other stuff for the dc, but much, much less. It does even out, I find.

CrabbySmallerBottom Wed 16-Oct-13 08:58:46

Whoo hoo we have our very own low carb star baker! flowers grin
I love the programme although we find Ruby with her trembling lip and her limpid eyes extremely annoying. Poor old Becca was robbed - they've been really hard on her throughout! I'm besotted with Kimberley - she's so smily and lovely - and think that her or Francis would both be very worthy winners.

Food yesterday
L - tuna and cheese patty with a few fried tomatoes
D - black farmer sausages with swede and brussel sprout bubble and sqeak
P - berry crumble and clotted cream.
Haven't had much of an appetite the last couple of days, which is good.

Going out for a carby twat meal tonight, unfortunately. Can't see me finding anything low-carb or remotely enjoyable in a Weatherspoons. hmm

keeponkeepinon Wed 16-Oct-13 09:54:16

Hello all, I've been lurking but would like to ask a question - has anyone found they feel low on this? The first month I felt great, was really enjoying the food and felt bright and was trending at 1lb avg loss a week. I have had CT after that first month but always get back on track Monday morning. Its whats keeping it doable for me at the mo. However, this week I just feel terrible. Had a very CT weekend but then on Monday woke up not remotely hungry at all. Had chicken salad for lunch but then was genuinely not hungry for the rest of the day. Had under 460cals and 11g carb that day. Then Tue I was the same, just had 750 cals and 18g carb. was getting a bit down last night as I have been doing a really intense cardio programme and I've not lost inches and am still floating at the same flaming weight I have since the initial weeks water loss. This morning I woke up under such a sad cloud, I feel tired and depressed and as if nothing will ever work.
I'm sorry to moan but I hate feeling like this and it makes you start to lose it a bit, even if everything you know about giving up sugar makes total sense.

NewStartNewStory Wed 16-Oct-13 11:02:17

Could it be the start of SAD? I know my mood has been much lower since the change in weather? That is a complete side step of your question I know, but i have found that a vit d suppliment has helped me with that in previous years just have to remember to take it and that is the bit that fails me, thanks for reminding me to dig my box out Err as for the specific relation to LC and mood... <hopes helpful wise people will pop up shortly>

captainmummy Wed 16-Oct-13 12:58:32

Crabby = I'm off the a weatherspoons today too; I usually have the half chicken and pass the chips to the dc. Or the chicken caesar salad is quite nice, though I've just had salad fr lunch.

keepon - I'd say SAD too - it's peeing down here, and cold and grey too. I find it very hard to get up and motivated when it's still dark! The 'not feeling ungry' is probably you getting ketogeniceally adapted, so you are fat-burning - congrats! If you are on week4/5, you will find that 'stalling' that BIWI advised about - it is very disheartening but keep on and you should find the whoosh-fairy has been overnight.

Don't go back to sugar - it is a totally false friend.

keeponkeepinon Wed 16-Oct-13 13:17:41

Thanks newstart and captain, I have been wondering about the SAD thing, it seems to have got dark in the mornings very suddenly and since then I have struggled to feel like I have woken up properly. Seriously considering a Lumie - has anyone got one and has it helped?
I think everything just gets on top of me sometimes, it feels like there's not enough hours in the day to get everything done, and run the little ones around to their activities, and fit in the exercise, and make home cooked meals....its chucking it down here and yup - I think it definitely makes you feel worse generally. Never noticed it much until this year though.
Incidentally, I wonder about the intense cardio too - I lost better in the first month without exercise! Makes you wonder...!

NewStartNewStory Wed 16-Oct-13 13:31:33

BIWI has in the past warned that exercise that might cause any inflammation can have a stalling effect and that it is a bit of a balancing act. I know for me though, the mental boost that i get from exercise is more beneficial sometimes then not doing the exercise. But equally we are told we should be able to achieve everything and be super woman who can. Fuck off, we can't we are human there is only a limited hours of the day and no one could come close to completing my daily or weekly to do tasks. hence why there is utter chaos here sometimes. Accepting that you are doing ok with achieving and doing everything is hard but better. Not got a lamp as i find the vit d suppliments sufficient and less costly

keeponkeepinon Wed 16-Oct-13 13:39:29

Hmm, where do you get your vit d from?

Toomuch I can't believe you've been able to continue going to your bake-off parties without finding it mental torture!

And you Crabby how can you put yourself through a whole programme celebrating the yummiest ways to present carbs! Noticed your name-change...

Keepon sorry you are feeling rubbish. I wondered if you had a carbytwat weekend then is there any chance you have a slight dose of carb-flu as you got back on the wagon? Also your calorie counts look very low, this isn't about drastically reducing calories. I think if you have very low calories your body goes into that "Its a famine" mode and starts jealously hoarding fat reserves as much as possible. (one of the drawbacks of low calorie diets, eventually - they muck up your metabolism so that you're the opposite of a fat-burner).

So I would be tempted to inch up the fat and calories (while keeping the carbs low) and that also might make you feel a bit brighter?

Above all just look after yourself. Preparing the low-carb food can be a bit more of a faff/take a bit longer but it makes for more satisfying meals. Its worth doing!

Negroni Wed 16-Oct-13 14:28:52

Hello, still a bit off and on, unfortunately but keeping going and reading the thread but not weighing this week as inevitable weight gain will no doubt put me in vulnerable to cake place

Well done to the losers! Crabby thanks for thinking about me and sacrificing yourself to carbs! And glad to see your name change too - surely you are almost into tinybottom territory? Unfortunately, I am now envyat everyone who can actually stay on the wagon properly for a whole week!

Biwi - hope the new job going well post the Marrakesh excitement. Cauliflower rice was a revelation to me too. I just chop/ slice into tiny pieces with a v sharp vegetable knife (too lazy to get food processor out) and fry in butter without any microwaving/ pre cooking - turns out fine and v like fried rice in my opinion

I too am a Bake off fan, which is a great shame as I always feel like rushing out and trying whatever they have made ie quite fancy a ginormous slice of Opera cake this week, but even for me that would be a step too far.

NewStartNewStory Wed 16-Oct-13 15:18:38

All sorts of places. Holland and Barretts, boots, etc etc anywhere they sell vitamins on the high street.

toomuchicecream Wed 16-Oct-13 16:31:56

Lily - I'm the host so I can't not go to my bake off party!! At the beginning of boot camp I managed a couple of weeks where I avoided everything, but I'm afraid that for the last couple I've decided that I can have 1 night off a week and that's it. I reason that even on an oh fuck it night now I'm eating much less now than I would have previously. And Ruby is really winding all of us up...

Next week's challenge is to produce something with 3 layers. Any ideas anyone?

thenightsky Wed 16-Oct-13 17:44:16

CrabbySmallerBottom Wetherspoons are ok actually. You can look at the carb count of all their meals here

I usually go for the piri piri chicken skewers which are the lowest carb. Side green salad instead of chips of course.

BIWI Wed 16-Oct-13 19:27:41

Keepon - you are not eating enough! No wonder you don't feel great. Even if you were calorie counting (which you aren't, are you?) those calorie counts are way, way, too low.

Your body needs the nutrition, especially if you are doing intense cardio.

Can you list out for me what you've been eating?

Work is going OK, although it's pretty full on. I'm suddenly very aware of all the things I was able to do when I was working from home, and a lot less busy - and Mumsnetting is definitely a habit that is having to go, sadly!

The company I've joined is great, though, and I'm really enjoying it. I just want to fast forward over the next month or so, to a point where I know what I'm doing!

StuntNun Wed 16-Oct-13 19:46:13

A weird day of eating today because I was completely starving by 9:30 a.m. just like the bad old carby twat days. I'm not sure whether I should be eating more food or more carbs but my usual breakfast ain't cutting it any more. After a huge brunch I was good until dinner time so maybe I need to eat more earlier in the day and lunch isn't as important.

B: three strawberries and 250 g Greek yoghurt
Brunch: two chicken breasts stuffed with cheese and wrapped in bacon
D: cod baked in cream with petits pois
S: celery and cucumber sticks with Philadelphia

Waaaay too much dairy but it was a difficult day with a poorly baby to look after so keeping it low carb is enough for me today. Tomorrow will be better.

BIWI Wed 16-Oct-13 19:48:09

I think, probably, you need to eat something more like eggs/bacon for breakfast if you're not satisfied and are having to eat 2 chicken breasts for a brunch/snack!

StuntNun Wed 16-Oct-13 20:38:05

They were yucky skinless chicken breasts from the back of the freezer BIWI so calorie-wise it wasn't a big meal. Strawberries and yoghurt had been a big enough breakfast previously but isn't cutting it any more. I'll have to find an additional breakfast item that doesn't involve eggs.

Avocado? I get a 4 pack for £1.75 from ocado. They're smallish & one of those with a few tomatoes and maybe a chunk of home cooked ham. Sets me up.

Is pâté good? That on celery/cucumber slices?

Leftover veg, fried in patties.

'Kedgeree' made with smoked mackerel (lidl one is good), cauli rice, fried leek, hard boiled egg optional.

Negroni I can't believe you too are putting yourself through the bake-off torture!

Stunt maybe get into leftovers? I'm really pleased any time I've managed to arrange for there to be some leftovers for breakfast. Or... sometimes I've been known to have a "lunch" for breakfast - eg tuna mayo salad, or tuna-cheese melts mentioned upthread...

BIWI Wed 16-Oct-13 22:26:54

Re cauliflower rice - this is how I made it:

Cut stalk off cauliflower, and break the head into small florets
Process in the food processor (you probably need to do this in two batches) until like rice/couscous
Pour some oil into a frying pan and saute a sliced shallot and a chopped green chilli, till soft; season with a little salt and black pepper
Add the processed cauliflower and stir so it's coated in fat; fry until cooked (probably only takes 3-4 minutes)
Add soy sauce to season

Sorry I am late to the party!

Whoever was asking about blood results yes my bloods massively improved

On this woe! Blood sugars amazing, much lower cholesterol, everything really really good. My diabetic team very impressed, weight loss good. And sssshhhhh it helped me ttc and I am now upduffed hence my lack of postings!!!!!

StuntNun Wed 16-Oct-13 22:58:57

Brilliant news MrsHP, congratulations! Is your LC diet sustainable or is morning sickness sending you towards the carbs?

Thanks stunt. I think it could have been more sustainable than it has been tbh! I have moved jobs to a challenging school, been ofsteded and am having building work done at home, so all in all not the most ideal timing (but we have been trying for aaaaaages so not complaining!). I aimed to up my vegetables and carbier veg in particular but have succumbed to the carb cravings rubbish ly. I am just regaining control of myself a little now and hope to get back to a healthier way of eating again in the next two weeks. You know what it is like though, off the wagon and as soon as you start the carbs are addictive and I had forgotten how horrible that is really.

whodunnit Wed 16-Oct-13 23:21:03

Hey Mrs HP -well done to you - bun in the oven, if I dare express it in high carb terms! I am chuffed for you.



CrabbySmallerBottom Wed 16-Oct-13 23:53:19

flowers Congratulations MrsHP!! flowers smile

Negroni you're welcome... all part of the service. grin

captain and thenight thanks for the Weatherspoons advice. I had salmon with hollandaise sauce and extra broccoli instead of a baked spud. And much too much white wine! For anyone who remembers the dramatic bike crash, it was with him and his family , which was lovely. He's walking and has a new girlfriend and is doing well, although he's having trouble with his arms and is probably going to need a bone graft. He's young and vital and he'll get through it though.

Lily thanks for noticing! smile I can appreciate GBB through careful planning... must have just eaten big satisfying low carb meal so not hungry, and must have pudding on the go to eat whilst watching, favourite being berry crumble with lashings of clotted cream:
Frozen summer berries- black and redcurrants, blackberries, raspberries, thawed and in the bottom of the dish.
Topping is ground almonds rubbed into/blitzed in food processor with butter until crumble-like.
Bake on moderate heat (180ish) until golden brown on top.
If you're eating that, some gacky over-sweet Opera cake has no power. wink

Food today
B/L - ham, tomatoes, philadelphia
S - berry crumble with cream
D - salmon and hollandaise. Mucho vino blanco. hmm

captainmummy Thu 17-Oct-13 09:13:56

Congrats mrsHP! grin
Crabby - I went to weathespoons last night too and i had the periperi chicken-half (and chips, which the dc ate) it was very nice and quite spicy (so I had to have a glass of pinot to quench)
And agree - Ruby is annoying, and Opera Cake provokes an insulin response just looking at it!

googoogoggles Thu 17-Oct-13 09:43:20

Hi everyone
Rubbish few days with work and a lot of RL stuff to contend with, so not had time to plan or post meals (ended up eating a few eaten on the hop - one was two Naked and a bag of nuts as there was nothing else and I was desperate. Must try to carry something around with me, even if it's one of those low carb bars....
Anyway, trying to get back on track today tho not at home again to cook...
Hope things will be back to normal by weekend...
Hope everyone is doing okay!

CrabbySmallerBottom Thu 17-Oct-13 15:24:11

<<tumbleweed blows slowly across the bootcamp floor...>>

You're not all out being carby twats are you? grin

NCISaddict Thu 17-Oct-13 15:42:05

Seem to be eating nothing but bolognese atm. Bit boring but not carby. BTW have NC'd but will continue on spreadsheet with old name if that's ok.

bigkidsdidit Thu 17-Oct-13 15:58:38

I'm not being a carby twat grin

Just been into town ad went to pret for lunch. I had Italian chicken salad which was fine but I noticed they do protein snack pots now - either two eggs with spinach or salmon and quinoa. I Thought I'd tell you all in case!

Just making a pot of cream of wild mushroom soup with about a pound of butter! It smells amazing smile

NigellasGuest Thu 17-Oct-13 16:25:52

congratulations to MrsHP !! thanks thanks thanks

Negroni Thu 17-Oct-13 16:30:51

Crabby! I do remember motorbike crash boy and I am very very glad he is doing ok and is well enough to be taking you to dinner.

I have been in most of today, working, and have not for once been a carby t**t. It is roast chicken this evening so I might even manage a whole 24 hours of lc-ing without muck ups.

Mrs HP big congratulations - that is fab news!

Thanks you lot!

crabby I remember the motorcycle boy, so glad he is recovering and that you are still in touch.

negroni you can do it!!! Only a few more hours, then bed!!!

Negroni Thu 17-Oct-13 19:01:00

Honestly, it's a joke Mrs HP, I think I need to go on low carb detention or something. I have, however, remained lc today apart from one small glass red wine which I think is just about ok on bootcamp lite

toomuchicecream Thu 17-Oct-13 19:36:29

Mrs HP - congratulations from me too. What exciting news!

Had today off work on strike and so had a road trip with an old friend. Was very proud of myself that when we stopped at the motorway services and she had a cinnamon bun, I had a bag of almonds. And at lunchtime I had salmon in hollandaise sauce with lots of green vegetables. Definitely not the most appetising meal I've eaten on this WOE, but was the closest to low carb they had available.

ziggiestardust Thu 17-Oct-13 19:41:41

Hello everyone, I was on the New Year's thread and lost a stone. I felt great, but sort of fell back into old ways after moving jobs blush

I'm pulling my socks up again and I've been low carbing for a week now. Not done the boot camp if that's alright BIWI, I remember the diet well and I've fallen back into it quite easily.

I'm feeling SO much better. I've been a bit tired in the afternoons and had a few headaches, but I think that's my body craving sugar. I've not given in, and aside from that all I've had are itchy fingers in the evening, when I'd really rather like some crisps grin

If it's alright, may I slip onto the thread for support? I found it so fabulous for that last time! I've not got much to lose; perhaps around 16lbs? My body shape doesn't actually change much, it's more for health and general bounce that I'm doing it! wink

Welcome Ziggie!

I too remember motorbike crash boy, great to hear that he is mending.

Go on Negroni you can do it! What's the psychological barrier that gets you? Are there certain patterns that lead to carb-eating?

Today I had a long trip for work. Breakfast was scrambled egg with salad. Lunch was a soup cooked by a colleague - it was low carb but it was also definitely low fat! Felt hungry on the last hour of the train journey home... so for dinner I went on a bit of a fat campaign.
Fried mushrooms in loads of butter then put them in a omelette fried in loads of butter. Ate with a lettuce and avocado salad with oily dressing. Ahhhhh now I feel better!

AuntieMaggie Thu 17-Oct-13 21:17:05

Congratulations mrshp smile I'm tax too (ssh) so fingers crossed...

Thanks to this woe my pcos symptoms have reduced even after coming off the pill, my blood sugar is stable, my gastric issues are better and my blood pressure is better. And my GP said I look healthy, like I've lost weight even though I'm heavier than I last saw them and like someone who could get pregnant.

So thanks BIWI flowers

sybilfaulty Thu 17-Oct-13 21:31:26

A new thread baby! How wonderful! Congratulations mrs HP!

Isn't Humphrey due around now.? Hope all going well for you, Humph.

Am on 2nd glass of wine. Oops

NewStartNewStory Thu 17-Oct-13 22:59:23

Congratulations MrsHP.

<scuffs shoes in dirt>
<looks guilty>
Repeats "the only person I am cheating is myself"

googoogoggles Thu 17-Oct-13 23:45:45

Just read thread! Congratulations MrsHP flowers - very exciting
And yes crabby I remember motorcycle boy too. So glad he is doing well.
What've you been up to NSNS?!

Purple2012 Fri 18-Oct-13 06:45:41

Im back and I've been a carby twat! I had no choice really. I went on holiday at a supposedly 5 star all inclusive. The food was shocking. The chicken under cooked, very little choice and the salad and veg often not washed and looked disgusting. So I ended up having bread a fair bit as there wasn't a lot else to eat.

Ive not weighed myself though as I got my husband to hide the scales. Im am back on it now and I am going to go by measurements. I also have a training program that I am going to start on Monday. I will measure myself then and then wait at least a month before I measure again.

I will still come on here for inspiration and because I enjoy the threads but I can't do the weighing thing as I get too obsessive.

Well done to everyone that has had good results.

bigkidsdidit Fri 18-Oct-13 07:17:37

Argh! I'm going to London today for a meeting, from Edinburgh so a long train ride. Got to the station early thinking wether spoons would be open and I could have a fry up, but no. Literally no other low carb options, only things open are caffe Nero, bagel factory, a baguette place. I've had to go to smiths and buy a bag of chicken, a pepparami and some babybels. How delicious hmm

Hello Bootcampers! <sidles hesitantly back into thread> How's it going? I quit a while ago, but BIWI said do pop back, so I am grin.
I'm essentially still lc-ing, just not quite as lc as bootcamp. It's working really well for me - steady, sustained weightloss and still feeling the wonderful lack of hunger and yo-yo-ing energy. But thank you to Bootcamp (BIWI, Willie and all of you) for setting me on the lc path, even if I needed to tweak it a bit for me. smile Hope you are all continuing to be big losers!

Frenchfemme Fri 18-Oct-13 08:12:11

Hi holmes - glad you've found something that suits you and you enjoy. I use some recipes from the Harcombe book and they work well.
Someone upthread (*Keepon*?) was asking about the Lumie clock - I have had one for years and in the bad old days when I had to get up at dark o' clock for work it was invaluable. I have always felt down in the Autumn, and having to get up in the dark didn't help at all. The Lumie brings the light up gradually over about 30 mins, and there is the option of an audible alarm as well. I still use mine (minus the buzzer!) as with the shutters closed it could be midday and still dark in the bedroom.
I am going back to hard-core bootcamp (no "light", as the wine is too tempting) for 2 weeks from Monday, after the "Cepes and Chestnuts Festival" this weekend. Wish me luck!

BIWI Fri 18-Oct-13 08:50:50

Hello holmes! Glad it's working for you.

I'm off to a meeting in Leeds this afternoon, so will have to make sure that I can get something suitable for lunch on the train. Won't get back home tonight until 9.30, which is a real pain on a Friday.

CrabbySmallerBottom Fri 18-Oct-13 09:07:17

Aw thanks everyone. I should tell him, shouldn't I, that there are lots of lovely low-carbing women on the internet rooting for him too! smile

Well, I went to the GP yesterday to get the results of my fasting cholesterol test. Not good. hmm I figured that when I rang for the results and they told me that I needed to make an appt. to see my 'usual' GP. Lovely as he is, I thought 'bugger that, you're not putting me on statins' and waited until I could get an appt. with the lovely lady GP I saw last time who told me not to worry! grin

My total cholesterol is 7.9 mmol/l
My HDL is 2.67 mmol/l
My LDL is 4.6 mmol/l
My triglycerides are 1.27 mmol/l

These levels are very high, including the HDL which is the 'good' one. The GP hummed and haahed a bit and looked up the NICE guidelines, but ultimately said that even with those numbers, my recalculated cardiac risk factor is very low... 1.3% and therefore she wouldn't want to put me on statins and doesn't think I should worry about it. Wonderfully, she's still really positive about the low carb diet and agreed that diet has only a small effect on cholesterol levels. I think I luffs her! grin

She was incredibly positive about my weight loss (another 2kilos off since I saw her last) and over the moon about how much I've cut down my drinking - not drinking Mon-Thurs as a matter of routine now, whereas before I was rarely managing one or two alcohol free days a week. Also I've managed to veeeeeeeeeery gradually reduce my antidepressant dose over the last few months and am now on 20mg/od rather than 40mg. It was really difficult to do this year and I'm glad I've persevered.

So the jury's out for me at the mo about how much this WOE might be affecting my cholesterol levels, and indeed how much of a problem that is if the are. I'm reading the cholesterol con and very much want to be convinced, but I really wish he'd reference his assertions a lot more than he does. I guess I really need to go and study the research myself, but it's hard to find the time and the motivation.

Anyway, enough of my rambling. Purple that's a bummer about the holiday. Did you complain? Welcome back Holmes, glad you've found a way that works for you. French I like the sound of that light clock. I am envy envy of a cepes and chestnuts festival... I love both of those with a passion!

grin at New - come on now, get back on the wagon!

Food yesterday
B - greek yoghurt with berries, linseed.
L - courgette and tomatoes with home made pesto.
D - same again but with some pork.

Have a good day everyone.

TFIF and all that (it's been a week)

Biggest Loser of the Week: whodunnit
Biggest Overall Loser: Vicky08
Biggest %age Loser Overall: Vicky08

<wild applause>

crabby it sounds like you're doing this with eyes and mind open, and the advice from the GP that your overall risk is low is really positive

StuntNun Fri 18-Oct-13 10:35:55

Looking at your results Crabby I would say they are very atypical. Your HDL is unusually high which is good news. As HDL is included in the total cholesterol then you may as well ignore the total cholesterol result since the HDL may have skewed it beyond the point where it can give you useful information. Your triglycerides are normal which is a good indicator too. The worrying level would be your LDL which is high however the conventional LDL test cannot discriminate between the risky small dense LDL particles and the beneficial large buoyant LDL particles. In cholesterol testing the ratios are more important than the individual results. Your TC/HDL, HDL/LDL and trig/HDL ratios are all ideal, and well within the ideal range at that. While statins would undoubtedly bring your LDL level down I would be uncertain how much benefit they would actually give you. My take (and just to clarify I am not a doctor but I used to work for a company that manufactures hospital cholesterol test kits) is that your results are inconclusive that there is any evidence of cardiovascular risk. You could try lowering your LDL levels naturally, e.g. taking fish oil capsules, eating eggs daily, getting more exercise. Another option would be to pay for more detailed testing to determine what type of LDL particles you have. I don't know much about these types of tests but there is information on the Internet, look up small dense LDL for more information. In short, while your LDL level is high, taken in combination with the other levels, your results don't scream 'there is a problem' to me. Unfortunately cholesterol testing has suffered a bit from oversimplification and also from the attitude 'if low is good then even lower must be even better'. Certainly your HDL level is admirably high and HDL is the particle that clears cholesterol from your blood supply and transports it to your liver for processing.

ziggiestardust Fri 18-Oct-13 11:06:15

bigkids thanks for the babybel idea; it's shopping day so there was nothing left for breakfast. Stopped at Sainsburys and bought some chicken satay, babybels and pork scratchings. The latter of which, I seem to have developed a slight addiction to blush

I hope you're not feeling too anxious Crabby. (and well done indeed for ditching the booze 4 days a week.) I know nothing about cholesterol but StuntNun is admirably well-informed.

Hello Holmes!

Whodunnit congratulations! What's the secret of your success?

I'm 2lb up on Monday today - a mere fluctuation of course...! - but I'm going to try to stay on good food choices, not snack on cheese, and most importantly, drink 3 litres of water. I don't think I've been drinking enough recently.

I get to have a flu jab tomorrow! (getting the letter about that was an instant way to feel elderly as mainly its aimed at the over-65s. I'm 40. But I have an immune system condition. So I also have a slight heartwarming feeling of being looked after by the state! I hope the vaccination doesn't have any weight-retaining effects!!)

PS also - I saw news this morning about fructose being licensed for Europe (not just the USA)


and apparently its even more damaging for the body than glucose, encourages fat deposits in the liver, raises diabetes risk. So the world's going to hell in a handcart and maybe we need to get evangelical about low carb. Maybe starting with my family, if I can wean my daughter off her sugar addiction then I can start on other people!!

Purple2012 Fri 18-Oct-13 11:58:23

Yes crabby we did complain both to the hotel at the time and to travel agent when we got back. I've never complained about a holiday before. You don't expect fantastic food on a AI but you expect it to be edible.

ziggiestardust Fri 18-Oct-13 12:02:37

purple who did you go with?

Pleaseandthankyou Fri 18-Oct-13 12:03:03

Crabby do you have old tests to compare these too? I was just wondering if even though they are high perhaps you have improved as you have lost weight. I haven't had mine measured in years.

<hauls marginally smaller backside back on tinternet>


Well done on the bake off competition TooMuch frittatatastic!

Congrats to MrsHP ! Hurray, desirable weight gain here you come.

I have been a very good girl. After my Pizza Express salad, I've been out last night to pub with a ct friend. 2 glasses of red an said no to crisps. Drank water in between. Managed not to be a CT this morning,even feeling a touch ropey, as I'm a complete lightweight not to stuff my face with toast. I had a coffee with cream then did school run, tesco & lidl. I was soooooo close to a bite of ds's pastry cheese twist.

But held on until just now and had a rather opulent lunch of 2 slices of streaky bacon, fried duck egg & cabbage fried in farmhouse butter (spent too much at farmer's market yesterday!).

But Sod's law and totm will work against me on Monday!

well done Ohfuck excellent willpower there!

NewStartNewStory Fri 18-Oct-13 16:25:44

crabby I shall see you all on wednesday. My food it out of my control until then. Many adventures though. And I am really looking forward to proper lc food

May you all have wonderful weekends and the woosh fairy visit you over the weekend!

Purple2012 Fri 18-Oct-13 20:05:19

ziggie we used Broadway travel. Hopefully they will deal with our complaint

CrabbySmallerBottom Fri 18-Oct-13 23:33:29

Thanks Lily & Willie. smile

Please my last test was apparently in 2010 (I thought it was ages ago) and my total cholesterol then was 6.9, so it's gone up a bit.

Stunt that's brilliant information, thank you. That seems to be the conclusion the GP came to as well, thankfully... that my test results don't equal a significant cardiac risk at the moment. That's very interesting about the different sized LDL particles - I need to look into that further. The LDL levels are a bit of a worry, I must admit, but I can't afford to get anything tested privately. I remember that on previous tests my total cholesterol has been high, but it's the HDL which is always particularly high, which I found reassuring. My TC/HDL ratio in this test is 3.0, which is good apparently, and I just read that triglyceride levels should be below 1.7 mmol/l, which mine are.

I'm going to stop worrying about it and keep on keeping on. My levels have always been high, even when I was a thin young thing. I'm healthier now than I have been for a long time; I,haven't smoked for years, have cut my drinking right down, my BMI is in the healthy range, I don't eat sugary shit all the time, I've even reduced the medications I take. I'm not going to fret about my cholesterol!

Now, advice please, if anyone can inspire me with an idea. We have a veggie friend coming for dinner tomorrow as it's her birthday. I want to stay on plan with the food but still make something delicious. Any ideas for a special occasion meal? Can't contain aubergines or peppers. I thought I might do a tapas sort of thing with mini quiches or something. If it weren't going to piss down tomorrow we could go out mushroom hunting.

CrabbySmallerBottom Fri 18-Oct-13 23:38:10

Food today
L - few spoonfuls philadelphia with ham and little tomatoes
S - rasher of bacon fried crispy with bubble and squeak
D - pork belly and prawn stir fry with oyster mushrooms, pak choi and fennel. I used the rest of the hoisin sauce I made a while ago to go with duck. It was bloody lovely!
P - berry crumble with clotted cream
No wine!! shock

No wine??!!

Your mini quiche idea sounds great. Other ideas are cauliflower cheese, roasted veg (these could be things to go-with the mini quiches).

or some sort of veg curry?

BIWI Sat 19-Oct-13 08:33:58

The Pecorino and tarragon tart from the Rose Elliot book is lovely (I think I might have posted it on the recipe thread), and could be adapted to make individual tarts if you wanted?

BIWI Sat 19-Oct-13 08:34:29

Have a look at this

It's 45 minutes long so I haven't had a chance to look at it yet, but it sounds interesting

BIWI Sat 19-Oct-13 08:37:41

And this blog is worth a read too!

OK, that's your homework for this morning. I'm off to my Chinese class now!

Oh, and I'm 1.75lbs down so far this week - hopefully I can get another bit off before Monday's weigh-in.

BIWI Sat 19-Oct-13 08:42:19

Crabby - sorry to hear about your cholesterol. I stumbled across this link this morning

Don't know if that will help or hinder!

CrabbySmallerBottom Sat 19-Oct-13 10:36:08

Thanks BIWI, that's kept me occupied while I drink my morning tea! Lots of interesting info there. I think I just need to keep reading and get as well informed as possible on the physiology and research on it all. I know I feel better than I have done in years, so I'm not too worried at the moment, especially as my GP is being so fabulous.

The pecorino tart sounds great - I'll look up the recipe on the recipe thread.

Thanks for those suggestions Lily, I'm thinking maybe goats cheese and caramelised onion (in butter and the tiniest smidgen of pomegranate molasses) mini quiches. The above tart. A nice salad. We're off foraging for mushrooms this morning, and if we can find some parasol mushrooms then I'll serve them as the centrepiece, breaded (will use a bit of wholemeal bread for texture, but bulk it right out with ground almonds) and fried. I'll put a little kamut/spelt/rye loaf on this morning so I know that the breadcrumbs are as low gi/carb as possible.

For pudding I thought I'd do an almond sponge and do the little heart shaped 'scones' again with jam and cream (just berries for me) which I could put candles in. Or maybe a chocolate mousse, but that'd be more carby wouldn't it.

I think there will be mucho vino, so it's a good job I managed to resist temptation last night!

Happy Saturday everyone!

captainmummy Sat 19-Oct-13 11:09:25

Crabby - from what I've read about cholesterol, it's a whole big scam, whipped up by the statins/drugs companies! My Exdh went for a cholesterol test ages ago (partof company insurance medical) and it came back as 5.something. They then said it was 'high' and he was advised to eat oats/benecol/high fibre stuff. A year later they'd changed the goalposts and it read 8.5. He has it done every year and every year the readings change, and seem to get worse, although he is very healthy and fit. (He's not on statins yet, as there is a risk of memory loss/joint paint/muscle pain from taking them - and I don't think his doctor even believes in them! )
have a look at this this - women may not need them at all, even in high-cholesterol cases.
Also from what i've read, the readings of HDL and LDL are nonsense - it'sthe vLDLs that may be attribbuted to heart disease/heart attacks. BUT there is no way of measuring the vLDLs as yet, so no-one knows.

toomuchicecream Sat 19-Oct-13 11:22:20

Feeling very grumpy. Am hungry, despite having just eaten a bowl of creamed leeks & bacon, and a lump of cheese. Dinner out last night was a case of ordering the least damaging thing on the menu rather than something I actually wanted to eat. Have had chocolate in house all week (DS related reasons) and haven't eaten any of it. Ditto biscuits, crisps etc - normally I just don't buy that kind of stuff. AND I HAVEN'T LOST ANY WEIGHT FOR 2 WEEKS, despite sticking 99.9% to Bootcamp not bootcamp light. AAARRRGGGHHH.

That's it - just wanted to rant. And the woosh fairy had better be along soon.

AuntieMaggie Sat 19-Oct-13 12:22:57

crabby what are these cakes and scones you speak of?

I'm sorry its feeling tough too much. Keep drinking the water. I carefully measured my 3 litres yesterday and had fluctuated downwards in weight this morning. But today I've been less good at the water (going out and about never helps), so not really taking my own advice.

Off to read all the links BIWI posted!

whodunnit Sat 19-Oct-13 21:19:39

Evenin' all

I am sitting here with a right rumbly tum. Went shopping to a big place (woowee very exciting for me) with a Boots (double woowee) and bought some diabetic caramels. Completely forgot the laxative effect and wolfed down the pack in two hours. Rumble, rumble..... Also felt pretty crap tonight for the first time in weeks. Think it must be related to the synthetic shite in diabetic food. I did Atkins about 11 yrs ago and seem to remember that this was how it ended. I need to remember to eat veg and avoid the synthetic shite Had a stir fry & bolognese sauce for supper so am still on track there.

Very sad that the blackberries are over now as the witches have spat on them. But there is always next year....

Anyone else thinking about Christmas and whether it is possible to have the willpower to forgo all that nice food? I have to or will not have clothes to fit in, but it is hard to visualise complete abstinence.

It all comes down to the fact that this is a WOE and not a diet. I was thinking the other day that I might not lose any this week an wondering how sad I would be. But I don't think I woudl be too sad as I don't actually feel deprived and I have eaten quite well and happily (yeah I know .. ask me on monday after the weigh in..

whodunnit Sat 19-Oct-13 21:23:36

I also had the biggest temptation today. I worked on the tea n cake stall at a local event for 2 hours, and the cakes were a zillion different types and looked so tempting. I did not touch one, but it ws tempting. And there were so many left that I brought some home for the DC and still have esisted. It is the fact that I know one cake will set me back 3 days while I get back into ketosis (by my reckoning) and I have not yet seen any cake that is worth 3 days.


Well done whodunnit!

I think Christmas might involve a slight (temporary) step off the wagon! But I don't want to go mad stuffing chocolates in my face. My Xmas treat is going to be toast with jam trying to say that quietly so as not to put anyone off as we're only mid-October!

bigkidsdidit Sat 19-Oct-13 22:08:49

DH and I are both low carbing and we are going to guilt free est whatever we want on Christmas day, boxing day, and new years eve dinner. It may be we don't want carbs, but we can eat roast potatoes if we do want to and a pint of baileys We'll just have lots of water!

HansieMom Sun 20-Oct-13 01:27:09

TooMuch, something with three layers I used to make was called Fudge Bar. It had a brownie first layer which you bake not quite done. Next you put marshmallows on top, put back in oven til soft, then spread them around. Lastly you put on a fudge frosting. It was very good but I think could be much better with a more sophisticated brownie recipe. Which I'm sure you could do.

bigkidsdidit Sun 20-Oct-13 10:16:28

Do you think there is anything remotely low carb in wagamama? We need to eat lunch out and can't think where to go.

googoogoggles Sun 20-Oct-13 10:27:34

Hi everyone
Hv had a crappy week - not been a complete CT but a just busy / issues with work /dashing around all over the place and not in control of cooking - think I said up thread that I ate one of those Atkins bars in desperation and felt like whodunnit said with the diabetic fudge - really gurgling stomach and just odd/bit spaced. Also had a couple of glasses of wine on Friday eve after hardly drinking for last 6 weeks (just the odd G &T) and had the same sort of reaction and felt bit down on Sat - Do you think it could be the sugar?
Am off again this eve, so will prob weigh in on Wed. Am gearing up to sts as find it hard to drink 2.5-3 litres when I'm not working from home... Will prob also be eating too many nuts to avoid the whole pastry/rubbish food usually on offer! Hope everyone's doing okay. Trying to keep the faith here!

QueenQueenie Sun 20-Oct-13 10:28:27

There are a few things in the firdt section of the menu I think, a raw salad, some grilled chicken. .. or some mains yoh vould have without rice maybe. I do think a lot of the sauces are very salty and sweet though. Good luck!

bigkids they do some salads and some beef chilli wraps (wrapped with lettuce) but not a huge range...

googoogoggles Sun 20-Oct-13 10:29:29

They do a beef salad which I've had ages ago. No idea how much sugar is in the drawing but it's lovely - and no noodles

googoogoggles Sun 20-Oct-13 10:29:49

Dressing not drawing!!

bigkidsdidit Sun 20-Oct-13 11:02:47

Chilli wraps wrapped in lettuce sound lovely. Maybe I won't risk it and have yet another pret chicken salad!

sybilfaulty Sun 20-Oct-13 11:31:57

Hello everyone

Do Wagamama do any noodle free soups which might fit the bill?

I am feeling good today because I can fit in my Sz 12 French Connection sequin party dress. It is a little tight round the bust but I hope it will be OK for the festive season. I have only lost 2lb this bootcamp (but will weigh tomorrow so maybe a woosh has occurred) but I am much slimmer. I have taken pictures of my tummy to see it going down and it is noticeable. I look about 6 months pregnant in the first one, whereas today you would think twice if you saw me and perhaps not offer me your seat on the bus.

Have a good day everyone.

NigellasGuest Sun 20-Oct-13 12:34:11

I just finished a 3 day Fat Fast - it was great! Suits me because I love my cream...... was not at all hungry. I am now officially 9 stone something.

I'm not stressing over the weight however - I am strictly going by a pair of trousers I own. They used to fit perfectly, then they became too tight to do up at all. I try them on once a week and I can now do them up. They need to feel a bit more comfortable though, and I'm aiming for them to fit perfectly again. So I'm not going to be weighing in on the spreadsheet anymore (I haven't for a while anyway).

Well done to everyone whether you've lost or not...

BIWI Sun 20-Oct-13 17:49:58

Afternoon all!

I have friends coming for dinner next weekend and I'm after a low carb pudding that I can make. I have made the chocolate pots dessert now a couple of times and, although it is very lovely, I'd like to make something different this time round.

Does anyone have any suggestions? I'd prefer it to be something without artificial sweeteners, if at all possible.

CrabbySmallerBottom Sun 20-Oct-13 19:05:43

Haven't read back yet but...

Berry crumble! Use frozen or fresh berries (Waitrose do a mix of black and raspberries, red and blackcurrants). Thaw them beforehand or in a saucepan and put in the bottom of a pie dish. Blitz together ground almonds and butter until you get a crumble consistency. The lumpier the better, so you want some fine breadcrumby consistency and some moister lumps. Smooth the crumble on top of the fruit and bake at around 180 degrees until golden brown in places on top - about 20 mins. Serve with clotted cream and brown sugar for the CTs.

CrabbySmallerBottom Sun 20-Oct-13 19:06:56

My lovely gp asked what I eat for pudding and I told her about that - she kept asking for more details... how long to cook it and at what temperature etc. grin

BIWI Sun 20-Oct-13 20:47:23

That sounds lovely. Thank you! I had been thinking about something with almonds - like a cheesecake sort of base.

ziggiestardust Sun 20-Oct-13 20:53:27

Hello again! So interesting reading all the recipes and tips! Hope you all don't mind me dipping in and taking inspiration!

Went for a carvery today but the lovely chef swapped my potatoes and root veg for extra cabbage, braised red cabbage, cauliflower cheese (in a cream sauce made for a wheat intolerant lady), and a whole mound of extra beef! Had a cheese board with no biscuits for pudding; again the chef piled my plate with extra cheese to the point I actually gave in in the end!

So nice when restaurants make it easy for you. <massages aching stomach>

ziggiestardust Sun 20-Oct-13 20:54:50

BIWI I buy a delicious lemon flavoured cream in M&S; delicious as a topping and different from regular cream. Very refreshing with berries and feels v treaty.

B - scrambled egg, salad, leftover ratatouille
L - Salad with tuna mayo, coleslaw and cheese
D - this was at a friend's house. They had very nicely made me a salmon omelette (with veg including leeks). However I did have fruit salad with cream for pudding. It just would have felt very churlish to say no. I think they may have opted for fruit salad rather than a more pudding-y pudding, because they thought it would fit my diet.

So I hope that doesn't affect the weigh in too badly tomorrow!

CrabbySmallerBottom Sun 20-Oct-13 22:18:34

Captain thanks for that. smile

Auntie I'll find the recipe for you but basically it's the idiot proof diet recipe for almond sponge, cut into little shapes with a pastry cutter and spread with cream and berries (jam for the carby twats wink).

Hansie you made me grin with your post about triple layered carby twatdom. Are you sure you're on the right thread...

Yay Sybil and Nigella with your trouser triumphs!

Have spent all day with the most horrific hangover. Yesterday turned out to be a bit of an odd one - my friend who was coming to dinner in the evening is looking after her mum's dog, a very elderly labrador. Yesterday morning he vanished from her (secure) garden. We spent the day searching and worrying and printing posters etc, and tbh I thought we'd never see him again. Miraculously, he reappeared late afternoon. We think he must have been abducted by aliens! grin After that, friend, DH and I were both well in the mood for a drink! The food was bloody amazing (no false modesty from me on this occasion!) - I did a caramelised onion and goat's cheese tart, based on the pecorino tart recipe that BIWI suggested, with a butternut squash and feta salad from the ipd cookbook. There was much bubbly, then some red, then...very unwisely... rather a lot of sloe gin. blush

Not expecting any weight loss tomorrow as although my food's been exemplary, my booze intake has rendered me an utterly carby twat, I think! hmm

HansieMom Mon 21-Oct-13 00:30:16

Yeah it was kind of a crazy recipe, but one lady was in a class where they were making decadent desserts or so I thought. Had to be three layered, mine was that! ; )

I am doing low carb, because I was just diagnosed as diabetic and I have a very helpful book, Dr. Bernstein's Diabetes Solution. He says by normalizing blood sugars, you can avoid the horrible complications of diabetes. To get blood sugars in normal range, he has you go low carb.

So I did and lost three pounds the first week. Second weigh in is tomorrow.

toomuchicecream Mon 21-Oct-13 06:38:56

Morning all. Gave in in a big ray and hit the dairyi milk hard at yhe weekend so gave put on 3. Oh well back on the wagon. Thanks for the layered brownie thing idea - sounds yum. But I'm going to do a layered fish terrine with 3 different fish mousses wrapped in smoked salmon.

BIWI Mon 21-Oct-13 07:44:01

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