Week 5 - Autumn Low Carb Bootcamp - Almost half way through!

(279 Posts)
BIWIZ Sun 06-Oct-13 22:52:22

Welcome to another week!

Here is the Spreadsheet of Fabulousness

I have been a carby twat, I have to confess, but I've been making the most of my last couple of weeks without work. Tomorrow I start my new job, which will also be the first time I've worked for someone other than myself/my own company for over 16 years confused

So from tomorrow I will have to be more disciplined in all manner of ways - working out what to have for my lunch in an office, rather than just rummaging around in the fridge, planning meals that I can easily cook when I get home from work, etc.

There are now 6 weeks left of this Bootcamp (including this week), so I'm really hoping that I can jettison a good few pounds in this time.

However, firstly there is the matter of the works 'annual conference' that I have been invited to join. On Wednesday I'm off to Marrakech until Friday ...

It's a tough job. Obviously. grin

Good luck everyone for this week.

googoogoggles Sun 06-Oct-13 22:58:49

Good luck in new job BIWI - sounds exciting. And at risk of being very nosy, what sort of job/field where you get to go to Marrakech (jealous!)
Probably weighing in Tuesday here as early start tomorrow but couldn't resist being first post this week (unless someone's beaten me to it as I type!)

daisychicken Sun 06-Oct-13 23:03:06

Good luck in the new job and have a fab time in Marrakech! Don't work too hard while there! wink

Am doing pretty good I think... still not weighed myself but comfortable having dropped a size and my rings are loose so aiming to stay at this level... keeping up with bootcamp so that I stay on the straight and narrow!

CrabbyBigBottom Sun 06-Oct-13 23:22:25

Marrakech! envy

Best of luck with the new job and have a great trip?

MotherOfSoupDragon Sun 06-Oct-13 23:41:37

Good luck with your new job BIWI smile

Lavenderhoney Mon 07-Oct-13 03:02:11

Marrakech! Congratulations BIWIsmile

Up way to early with ds and dithering about whether to weigh myself now or at dawn!

I have lost enough weight to need a new swimsuitsmile the old one is too big everywhere and looks like someone else's!

For the first time in a long time I am keen to get on the scalessmile

bigkidsdidit Mon 07-Oct-13 06:22:43

Another 1lb off for me, I'm very slow and steady! But an inch off my hips and 1.5 inches off my hips smile smile

bigkidsdidit Mon 07-Oct-13 06:24:13

An inch off my WAIST that is

StuntNun Mon 07-Oct-13 06:57:25

STS this week but I have lost half an inch off my hips so hopefully there's still progress. I'm close to goal though so a slower weight loss is to be expected, indeed Atkins recommends a weight loss of 1-2 lb per month when you're 10 lb or less from goal.

V jealous biwi have a fab time.

Too scared to weigh today, v constipated, waiting for senokot to kick in.

morning everyone

hope your fist day goes well BIWI!

goodness - it's not that sort of job i hope!

FIRST day obviously.

Cherrypi Mon 07-Oct-13 08:09:31

Hee hee at fist. Good luck! 1.75lb off. Yay. Must drink more (some) water this week. shock

Lavenderhoney Mon 07-Oct-13 08:36:19

just updated- another 2.5 pounds off.. thanks again BIWI, Willi and all on the thread keeping me motivatedsmile

thenightsky Mon 07-Oct-13 09:22:21

2lb off this morning, which I am amazed at as I was so sure I'd gained over the weekend.

starrystarryknut Mon 07-Oct-13 09:37:30

Another 1lb off and really noticing that I look much slimmer. Very happy with that. I'm two-thirds of the way to my target.

Negroni Mon 07-Oct-13 09:55:56

Still being a bit useless and carby and on/ off. I really need hauling back onto wagon for significant amount of time. Main problem seems to be that when I break the WOE for a planned cheat, it all goes haywire and involves days of nonsense and uncommitted eating until I get back into the WOE. I am beginning to think, I just should not break the plan ever (like apart from maybe Christmas day!) until I have lost a chunk more weight. What does everyone else think, and does anyone have the same planned cheat=disaster situation too?

So no weigh in last week - too worried that bad weight would send me into a tray of cinnamon buns for comfort. But this week after 2 days absolutely 100% on again, am 1/4 pound down on a fortnight ago - I'll take that!

Good luck with the new job BIWI - Marrakech sounds like a good way to ease into the 9-5 (or 8-6 eek!)

Negroni Mon 07-Oct-13 09:58:56

Oh no! I have been hidden from spreadsheet for non-attendance!
Willie please could you pop me back on. Thank you!

Finbar Mon 07-Oct-13 10:03:11

No loss this week - what is happening?
Any quick checks I can do to see what on earth I'm missing here?

Confession - I fell off the wagon once when DD make some cookies ..but surely over a whole week that shouldn't halt all weight loss!

really disappointed - last time was easier!

timidviper Mon 07-Oct-13 10:06:20

Yes, good luck with the job!

This has been my first week back to bootcamp proper (held off until my holiday/carbytwat week) was over. Lost 7lb! Woohoo! I am 3 stone lighter than this time last year smile

Having started late I will be carrying on until nearer Xmas than the official bootcamp end date so will still do the full 10 weeks and if anyone else wants to join me I will be glad of the company.

negroni in a sense it's good that you recognise the pattern.

now that you're aware that this happens, do you plan for the 'aftermath' of the planned off-piste eating?

it's worth remembering that the more uncontrolled continued 'off-plan' eating after the planned detour is in major part a physiological response to the original off-plan eating - you have triggered an insulin reaction and restarted the high/low blood sugars cycle, so the carbs are more appealing to you.

it is really really hard, but if you are going to go off-piste (and nothing wrong with planning to stay on the wagon until christmas, particularly if you want to lose a decent amount, though life doesn't always make that easy!), you need to put strategies in place to combat the cravings that you KNOW will come afterwards. this is easier said than done, but if you can, go back to basics:

- plan for three proper meals a day
- plan your absolute favourite low carb foods and meals - these will help you feel less 'deprived' when the carb cravings hit
- get away from the carby foods, at least those that are most desirable to you - get rid of the leftover cake etc
- eat plenty of fat to make sure you feel properly satiated
- drink plenty of water
- do a bit of exercise if you want. i find it can help with the 'virtuous' cycle of not wanting to waste the benefits of exercise by eating badly. it can also help deplete your glycogen levels. HOWEVER, exercise, particularly if intensive in nature, can make you crave carbs and if you are in the post-off-plan-eating vulnerable stage this could make things worse as your blood sugar levels decrease! you know your own body and reactions so act accordingly

MotherOfSoupDragon Mon 07-Oct-13 10:11:26

Negroni, same here. If I plan a cheat I really struggle to get back to eating sensibly. I've had a few stupid days of cake and alcohol due to having visitors and family get togethers and I've put on 5 lb!! hmm I weigh more than I did when I started and I only had a stone to lose!

I struggle because I'm not a good cook really and run out of ideas and get bored of the same things easily and am also on a tight budget hmm

Anyway, back on track today and will try and stay away from the alcohol. At least the cake has all gone!

MOSD the 5lb will almost certainly be water weight and glycogen stores being replenished - i'm afraid this is what happens if you go off-piste from low-carbing.

on the plus side (as timidviper's post demonstrates) once you get back on it that weight can fall off within a few days

give us an idea of what you're eating and hopefully we can come up with some simple ideas to add variety so you're less likely to get bored. do you have a slow cooker? i find it really helps with costs as i can get really cheap cuts of meat and they turn out beautifully in the slow cooker, and i am not a very accomplished cook

CrabbyBigBottom Mon 07-Oct-13 10:38:50

I have no idea why I ended my last post with a question mark. I must have caught the habit from DD, who we've noticed has started putting that upward inflection on the end of every sentence when on the phone to her friends, a la Darcy Bussel in Strictly, or everyone in Neighbours/Home and Away, or all posh teenagers in Surrey. grin

I'm amazed and happy to report that I've lost 4lbs this week, taking me under 11stone for the first time in two years. smile I think the whoosh fairy has visited me at the same time as the totm fairy, hence the sudden loss. I've found the last week really hard, too - had a virus giving me a constant headache, feeling shit, wanted comfort food, no appetite for anything I was allowed to eat, etc etc etc. I almost caved in and went for a curry on Thursday (there would have been rice, and cider!), I'm glad I didn't now.

I've had a few off plan moments this weekend, too - bottle of prosecco to cheer me up on Saturday, red wine last three nights, a few squares of 85% chocolate and the worst... A few roast potatoes and some breadcrumbs mixed with ground almonds to coat the parasol mushrooms we picked yesterday. Only had a few as a starter though, so probably about a third of a slice of wholemeal bread.

Now that I've confessed my sins, I can enjoy the whoosh. It's been a while coming - 7lbs loss the first week and then nothing; sts second week and then gained a lb in the third. Glad I kept the faith and stayed on plan, and this has refocussed me now.

Some stats for anyone needing some convincing that this WOE works...
Weight on 7th May when I joined the last bootcamp... 177lbs
Weight at the end of summer Bootcamp... 160lbs
So a loss of 17lbs or 7.7kg
Starting weight for September Bootcamp 163lbs (after an August which included a trip to Cornwall with cream teas, ice creams etc shock )
Weightloss so far this bootcamp 10lbs.

So a total loss of 24lbs or almost 11kg in five months! smile

And that includes drinking wine at weekends once on bootcamp light, eating delicious food that I can get excited about cooking, still having treats (DP made a special request for my berry crumble made with almonds last night!) and feeling calmer and healthier than I have done for a very long time (not this week, I've felt like a big sack of bollocks, but overall. grin ).

Mont importantly, I feel that I've changed my mindset so that I'm automatically thinking in a low carb way now. That doesn't mean I don't still want to be a carby twat sometimes, but I know that I can do that for special occasions and then I'll be happy to climb right back on the wagon and get 'back to normal' with food I enjoy and don't feel deprived with. It is hard sometimes, especially with lunches or if I haven't planned ahead, but it's becoming second nature and the benefits are huge.

Also, and this is a big benefit for me personally, I find it much easier not to give in to the temptation of drinking wine every night when I'm low carbing. I think it's because I'm less ruled by blood sugar highs and slumps, and when that late afternoon malaise hits, I can distinguish it as hunger rather than an unfulfilled need for chilled white wine! hmm I find I can just accept not drinking Mon-Thurs now, whereas before I always had that wheedling little voice in my head going 'well just a glass or three won't hurt'. Better for my waistline, complexion, mental health and my liver.

People keep commenting on how much weight I've lost. smile
So keep the faith, anyone who's feeling despondent on the scales this morning... slow and steady is the way to go and the weight will come off if keep on keeping on!

CrabbyBigBottom Mon 07-Oct-13 10:40:53

And flowers to BIWI and Willie for running this thread, I certainly would not have stuck to this without your support and that of all you lovely Bootcampers!

CrabbyBigBottom Mon 07-Oct-13 10:51:17

<<hauls Negroni back onto the wagon by the scruff of the neck>> Come on you can do it! grin

I know what you mean as I'm a person of excess, and certainly in August when I decided to have a couple of weeks of eating what I liked, knowing I'd be starting bootcamp again in Sept., It rapidly degenerated into a carb fest, almost as if I wanted to cram as much in as possible while I had the chance. I agree with wise Willie about planning being key. If you know you're going off road then you need to have a plan for afterwards - get rid of all temptation, get your favourite low carb foods in, plan plan plan ahead.

Timid 3 stone since last year!! flowers Well done you!

Frenchfemme Mon 07-Oct-13 10:59:51

Thanks Crabby for a very inspiring and useful post - particularly with respect to the wine-resisting. I am in the same position as Negroni and SoupDragon, but similarly determined to get back on track. STS this week after gaining 1.9kg (!) last week, but at least I know why. It's been an unusually stressful couple of weeks by my terms (although nothing like the stresses others have to suffer - I do realise I am lucky) but I need to move away from the "have nice lunch out and/or drink wine" response to something more sensible and healthy. I hope your new job goes well BIWI, and thanks again to you and Willie for a very supportive thread.

bigkidsdidit Mon 07-Oct-13 11:00:52

Willie, I've added myself to the bottom of the spreadsheet, if I managed to save it confused

Really pleased I've lost again - 1.2lb off. Slow but definitely steady - nearly 5lb off since 9th Sept.

Except it isn't steady on a daily basis - it fluctuates a lot. So Finbar your STS may just be the top of a fluctuation up, you'll be on the way down in a few days.

I looked at DD's sugar puffs packet this morning (sorry - they are the work of the devil, aren't they... especially now I know what I know through this WOE.) Anyway it said a 30g bowl of sugar puffs would be 26g of carbs! That's more carbs than we eat in a day, in one bowl.

We're all willing you on back onto the wagon Negroni good luck.

and bon voyage to Marrakech BIWI, that's what you call a first week at work! Congrats indeed on new job.

keeponkeepinon Mon 07-Oct-13 12:36:04

Morning all! I have lost 1.2lbs since last Monday which I am happy about, I just can't seem to break this 170lb barrier! I keep track of my foods on mfp and I worked out that over the last week my average daily carb intake was 44g and calories 1735. This does include some white wine fri/sat and some Green & Blacks 85%. I know its not on plan but it does help keep me from blowing it the rest of the week.
Best of luck to BIWI on starting your new job smile

Congrats on the new job BIWI! I'm going to bite the bullet and try to sort out my weight entries on the spreadsheet post-new-scales-issue. Then it won't look as though I've put loads of weight on, which I haven't!
B: bulletproof coffee? Greek yoghurt with a sprinkling of flax seeds
L: Home made creamy chicken soup, salad with vinaigrette
D: Prawn curry with coconut cream
Not enough water so far today. ..

sybilfaulty Mon 07-Oct-13 14:00:51

Good luck for the new job BIWI.

STS for me this week - but I am thinner and my clothes are looser. So it's clearly going from somewhere. Just need the scales to catch up now.

timidviper Mon 07-Oct-13 14:52:02

Gggrrr! I am going out for a work lunch tomorrow and the menu sent through was all carby shit, paninis, pizzas or pastas. I've just rung the restaurant to ask if I could have a salad and they said no! They said they only sell side salads and in order to have one I would have to order a full meal from their main menu shock The meeting planner is very apologetic but I think I will have to find her a nicer venue for future meetings!

Sybil, I am similar weight now to last December yet am a dress size down and everybody comments that I have lost weight.

I have lost 2lb this week but I feel like I'm still not getting it right. When BIWI looked at my meals last week she said I was quite protein heavy, but I am getting confused as to what I should be eating. I have re-read the rules again and again but in total I am 1lb up on when I started bootcamp.

I feel like giving up, I haven't cheated once but I feel like I am failing and I have such a lot of weight to lose sad

Negroni Mon 07-Oct-13 15:09:12

Thank you for all the support. Willie yes what you say makes a lot of sense and I probably should plan better. Lots of my planned cheats have involved us hosting a party or attending a wedding and with all the energy spent doing these things plus small DCs I haven't planned terribly well for meals afterwards, just planned for the logistics of the event itself!

The reason I may have to get strict is that once on the WOE, I am not that bad and not prone to carb creep. The main problem is a planned cheat followed not so much by total carb gluttony but general failure at WOE, accidental piece of toast, random sandwich, a hot chocolate, and the whole thing dribbles on for days - it isn't as if I go for a full Chinese fried rice, dumplings and prawn ball banquet which of course would be far nicer

V inspiring losses timid and Crabby too. I do think that from now on I will have to stay on Bootcamp or Bootcamp lite as much as possible, at least till I have made some inroads and shifted the next chunk of weight down as I am getting bored of being the same weight, albeit that it is so much better that I haven't broken the WOE and put on a stone or more. Just anxious to get things moving again...

Thanks crabby, I've been having a bit of a rubbish morning after weighing. I've been <ahem> a little slow of bowel for a few days (I used to suffer horribly from IBS which has largely vanished since being on this WOE, but not gone all together yet) so I knew that I'd weigh heavier than I should IYSWIM.

But having not cheated on BC Light and had a glass of wine on Friday and two double gins with a small dash of sl tonic topped up with fizzy water on Saturday night, I felt very despondent at 6 o clock this morning when the scales said that I'd gained 2lb. But now they say gained 1/2lb, that is after water, 2 coffees, bf and lunch, so I guess not too bad.

So I'm feeling a bit meh. I did WW a few years ago and had a 1-2lb a week loss, every week with occasional whooshes of up to alb. I had about 20lb less to lose then too.

I wouldn't mind if I could say that my clothes feel looser/I feel thinner anyway, but I don't, I did to begin with, then I got used to the 'new' me and now feel really bloaty again.

Sorry, total self pity. I'm, going to eliminate nuts and cut way back on dairy (except butter and cream in coffee, which I'm now addicted to) and maybe go without alcohol this weekend too (big maybe!) and see if that makes a difference.

Someone pat me on the shoulder comfortingly would you?

negroni i think that part of the problem with the 'planned off-plan' is that (for me at least) the carbs can trigger a kind of mindless eating state, so that when i am eating properly low carb i have a more objective approach to food - it's easier to think about what, why and how i am eating. the carbs seem to make me susceptible to the kind of 'accidental' eating that you describe - not necessarily an all-out carb binge but the kind of mindless not-concentrating eating-a-piece-of-toast-while-making-tomorrow's-packed-lunch eating when i'm not hungry and it's not really worth it

carbs beget carbs (the little buggers)

ohfuck <there there old chap>

how many weeks have you been doing this? are you in the weeks 3-5 stablisation-type phase perhaps?

do try cutting down on the nuts and booze if you can

timidviper it is incredible that they are so inflexible that you can't order a larger salad with extra bits in and price accordingly!

Thanks Willie grin

I started a couple of weeks early, but more like bootcamp super light as we had an extremely boozy wedding anniversary meal and more. I lost 3lb in that time anyway though. So bootcamp proper since 9 September. I am hoping it is just the stabilisation period.

msingafewmarbles - you said you were 4lb up on your starting weight last week and this week you are 1lb up, so you have lost 3lb this week?

i think that when BIWI said your meals were quite protein-heavy she meant that the meat you're eating appears quite low fat (chicken, tuna, prawns etc), but you qualify that later by saying you are cooking with and adding plenty of fat, so that may not be a problem.

are you able to list out your meals for the last week to compare with the week before on the week 4 thread?

i notice that last week you mentioned that you hadn't been drinking much water - have you increased this in the last week? have you reduced the processed meats at all? these could well have been holding you back. the water in particular is important

ohfuck - ironically you can sometimes get away with eating slightly more carbs earlier on and still lose a decent amount of weight, because the amount of carbs you're eating is still considerably less than previously and you're reducing your glycogen stores. this can lull people into a false sense of security, though as you reverted to bootcamp proper when you could that hasn't happened to you.

timidviper Mon 07-Oct-13 16:05:28

Ohfuck Don't panic! I have been through just what you describe.

Just as background, I am hugely overweight, morbidly obese, BMI in the "You're going to die" range, etc. I started bootcamp this time last year and lost 2 and 1/2 stone by Xmas. Having lost 2 1/2stone I felt heftier and more conscious of my weight than before I started but I kept going and am glad I did. It has taken me the whole of this year so far to lose the next half stone, partly because I have been doing "Bootcamp-a-bit-too-lite", taking too much of a scenic route grin and partly because my body just seemed to fight back a bit but the latest 1/2 stone has made a big difference. I have gone down a dress size with it and people are noticing and commenting.

I am so glad now that I stuck with it and am back on a stricter bootcamp in the hope I will be lighter again by Xmas

Thanks Willie, I am trying to think it all through but it feels tricky as I am so busy, my brain is otherwise engaged so it's great you can help me. I gained 3lb before then lost 2 this week and overall I am up 1lb I think.

We are definitely trying to eat fattier meats this week, and tuna is always with loads of mayo. Water intake is better, although not definitely drinking 3l everyday, but more than 2l.

Not sure if I can do a whole week so I'll work backwards.

B none
L roast chicken, garlic creamy mushtooms and salad
D leftover IPD moussaka

B bacon, sausage and mushrooms
L tuna mayo and salad
D bolognaise

B leftover roast pork and spinach pan fried
L tuna mayo
D tikka spiced chicken thighs and sauteed green beans

B none
L salad with cheese and vinagerette dressing
D Roast shoulder of pork w/ crackling and asparagus

MotherOfSoupDragon Mon 07-Oct-13 16:12:08

Thanks Willie.

Generally in a week we eat bolonese without spaghetti (usually with mashed swede or roast celeriac), chicken curry, chicken in mushroom and cream sauce, chilli con carne, roast chicken, roast pork, shepherd's pie with swede instead of potato, burgers with celeriac chips, marinated chicken/lamb on skewers, stew.

Dd is very fussy about meat and I don't really like fish, although sometimes we have salmon.

Not too keen on belly pork, I never seem to get it tender and it is somehow too "meaty".

We love steaks but they are just too expensive to have too often.

I am cunfusing myself Willie, I'll go and check the spreadsheet re weight.

OK, I started 2 weeks early and went from 201-192lb

9/9 192lb
16/9 192lb
23/9 193lb
30/9 196lb
7/10 193lb

So actually I have lost the 3lb I put on last week this week but I am still 1lb heavier than when I started bootcamp. I just feel like such an idiot, I haven't cheated at all but I have been messing it up and stalling myself sad

So, just to check, I need to:

a. stay away from processed meats
b. make sure I drink all my water every day
c. make sure I am eating enough fat and low carb veg

Thanks timid and well done.

I was 14st 4lbs in August. I'm 13st 9lb now (I think, so not all bad, just a massive pause). My lightest in Adult life was 10 1/2 stone which took me just a teeny bit inside the 'normal' BMI. I would ideally love to be 9 1/2 Stone and I think I could do it, but I know it will take time.

What I'd really love now is to fit comfortably in to my size 14 clothes (currently 16) as I have no money to buy more new warm clothes for winter!

Willie - I have altered my entries on the spreadsheet. I hope that's ok! Instead of trying to work out what my weight would have been on my new accurate scales (which would be impossible as the old ones are really random!), I've just put my weight as 159lb from the beginning of bootcamp to last week's weigh-in and started afresh from there (5lb loss on the scales today!) I hope I haven't upset your lovely spreadsheet <quakes>.

ohfuck, we are almost weightloss twins smile

I am aiming for 12st by Christmas which would put me just about in a size 14. Most of all I want to avoid the sympathetic head tilt from SIL who was back in her size 8 jeans 3 days post birth. hmm

Maryz Mon 07-Oct-13 17:17:38

Willie, would you possibly be able to put me on the spreadsheet.

I started a week late, so my weights are:

16/09/2013 198.1
30/09/2013 190.4
07/10/2013 184.5

The amounts are converted from kilos, so I hope they are right. I was actually a couple of pounds lighter when I weighed yesterday, but to keep it correct I'm sticking to Monday weights.

Thanks very much.

keeponkeepinon Mon 07-Oct-13 17:31:46

timidviper - would they let you order a side salad with a starter portion of something instead? When I go to our local italian restaurant, when everyone else is having plates of pasta/pizza I get a side salad with meatballs from the starter menu and they don't mind. Wouldn't you think they would be more accommodating? So much for the customer being right!

B:none - just wasn't hungry
L: mackerel with cream cheese and salad greens
D: Salmon with sugar snap peas and lime butter
Sn: a few squares G&B 85%

KinkyDorito Mon 07-Oct-13 18:20:27

WI for me. I've started doing 5:2 along with low carb to try and get some of the health benefits. It's suited me really well this week and I got over my period of staying the same, losing 5lbs in this week alone. It has been tough but astonishing. I certainly think low carb lends itself to fasting as your blood sugar is more stable and hunger is more controllable. I do feel better in myself, but I daren't get too close to people when I talk for fear of knocking them out with ketosis breath. Lots of water!!

This week takes me to 19lbs in 6 weeks. Pleased with that, though about 30lbs still to go.

Lifeisontheup Mon 07-Oct-13 18:30:50

I've lost 1lb this week, Still happy though must drink more water. Think that's where I'm going wrong at the moment.

Checking in
I'm 2lb down this week so chuffed with that
Tea is shepherds pie with celeriac mash for me and potatoes for DH and leftovers for DC tomorrow.

Keep the faith peeps- can't post much tonight but will check in later

toomuchicecream Mon 07-Oct-13 21:20:08

Help! I've tried to put my weight on the spreadsheet and I think I've just given timidviper a massive massive weight gain. Where am I going wrong? Willie - can you get my 296 to go in my space please?!? (A 296 I'm very pleased with cos it makes 1 stone off, and also it's the wrong time of the month)

OK i think i've sorted the spreadsheet as necessary

holmes you can record whatever you find easiest!

MOSD your menu seems quite varied to me, but i am a weirdo who can eat the same things every day for a week and not get bored!

do you ever have salad, soups? do you have leftovers from the roasts you do? in what way is your dd particular about meat?

i expect you've had a look at the recipe thread - have you tried any of the vegetarian recipes which are often quite cheap and can make a change from meat every now and then?

MsIngaFewmarbles you're not messing it up at all, you're just working out what works for you. 'your mileage may vary' as they say, and remember that regardless of what has happened in previous weeks, you have lost 3lb in the last week.

these do sound like good aims

a. stay away from processed meats
b. make sure I drink all my water every day
c. make sure I am eating enough fat and low carb veg

really, really try and drink the water. simplistically, when your body is breaking down fat, it releases ketones into the blood stream. these are flushed out through weeing. if you don't flush them out, then the concentration of ketones in the blood stream is higher, so your body will stop breaking down the fat.

Ruprekt Mon 07-Oct-13 22:13:39

Have sts this week.

Am not drinking enough water. hmmhmm

Not gained any weight so that is good.

Am still 176lbs....need to get under 170 lbs.

Am thinking of doing ultimate dairy free bootcamp for 3 days. Anyone want to join me?

I'll do it! I want to break the 190 barrier sad

MotherOfSoupDragon Mon 07-Oct-13 22:25:43

Willie, dh finds soup isn't filling enough without bread (he is also embracing this woe). Same goes for vegetarian.

Dd doesn't really like any meat, but will eat mince.

I have looked at the recipe thread and picked a couple to try.

We do have salad sometimes, but more at mainly at lunchtime.

Ruprekt Mon 07-Oct-13 22:33:22

Ohfuck.....when shall we start?

Ruprekt Mon 07-Oct-13 22:44:25

I am going to start on Wed with Menu A on ubercamp.

Meat and eggs. Butter. Veg

No cream, cheese, alcohol or fruit.

3 litres water.

Well I have a bucket of lidl Greek yogurt in the fridge, but it is apparently indestructible.

Shall we say tomorrow if you've not got meals already planned? That way I can have clotted cream and raspberries at the weekend (unless über amp is magical and I want to do it forever!)

Otherwise, when suits you? Lets break these pesky number barriers!

Ruprekt Mon 07-Oct-13 23:06:51

Tomorrow then.....though I do have cream sauce for lunch!

Food tomorrow.

Egg mayonnaise with lettuce

Salmon salad

Cabbage with bacon

whodunnit Tue 08-Oct-13 00:02:22

glad to report a kilo off this week which is good as I thought I was a nutty twat due to poor lunch planning. And not enough water in the daytime - I am paranoid about keep going to the loo at work.

what is this 3 day uber camp - where are the details? What do people lose on it?

today i ate about 25g of carbs total. does this seem about normal?

well done to us all for loving ourselves enough to lose weight.

Ruprekt and ohfuck can I join you please? Also want to get below 190/13st 7lb, I think pshchologically it would help massively.

Whodunnit it's on ine if the tabs on the spreadsheet, basically no dairy for 3 days to see if it is holding tou back smile

BIWIZ Tue 08-Oct-13 08:02:09

Morning all! Thank you for all your good wishes. Yesterday went well, although it was exhausting and I felt like I was suffering from information overload by the time I got home!

My first day:

Breakfast - yoghurt with vanilla
Lunch - I was taken out, and only one option for me - beef burger without the bun and salad. I really didn't want to have to start my first day by eating carbs, so I was glad there was something I could eat
Dinner - 2 hard boiled eggs, salad, leeks with a cream and bacon sauce (a bit of a hodge lodge, but the shopping wasn't being delivered until later last night)

Today I'm off up to Leeds for a meeting that is scheduled to take place at lunchtime, so who knows what I will be provided with. Will have a couple of eggs for breakfast so hopefully I'm not too hungry.

Sorry not to be answering your questions but Willie is doing a sterling job!

Will have a bit more time this evening

Hope we all have a good day


fair enough MOSD (i have to admit i don't like soup anyway)

it sounds like you've got about as many permutations of mince as I could think of anyway! i wonder whether adding a few vegetarian dishes e.g. crustless quiches (which could include meat too if you wanted), cheesy gratins etc might help add variety without increasing costs too much?

also including a wider variety of vegetable side dishes to keep things interesting (just add to whatever meat/leftovers you have) - off the top of my head from the recipe thread:

braised cabbage or kale
roasted broccoli with chilli
roasted cauliflower with cumin
leeks wilted in butter with bacon

apologies if you're already doing all these

Cherrypi Tue 08-Oct-13 09:19:57

Lost another 1.25lb this morning. Just worked out only another 2.5lb to go till I'm a normal BMI. Think I'm going to keep going till I'm somewhere in the middle of normal so I can put on a bit of weight but still be in normal. Will my weight loss stop when I reach a healthy weight?

tenementfunster Tue 08-Oct-13 09:36:17

Biwi, glad your first day went well.

can someone help with the issue of gravy in shepherd's pie? do we need to substitute with something else?

2/12 off this week.

cherrypi it's difficult to say because everyone is different

some people find (me included) those last few pounds before the 'ideal weight' are the most difficult to lose and weight loss slows right down, but then of course i want to see a 'round number' on the scales and my body doesn't care one way or the other! so in a sense the body's weight is stabilising itself

other people find they just keep losing until they need to increase their carb levels to the point where their weight remains stable.

well done on your progress - i think you'll just need to hang on and see how your body behaves when you're approaching your ideal weight

tenementfunster - yes, if you have previously included flour/cornflour/gravy granules as a thickening agent you will need to adjust your recipe a bit.

i tend to do the mince in the slow cooker with stock and a little water, and then when ready reduce like the devil on the hob and it does reach the consistency i want, though perhaps a little more jus-like than gravy-like.

keeponkeepinon Tue 08-Oct-13 11:20:24

I think I should start putting my weight in on a Tuesday as I've lost 0.6 taking me to exactly 170 today...surely it'll go under tom...? confused so near yet so far!
B:Bacon, mushrooms, rocket, tomato & mayo
L:leftover salmon, lime butter & greens
D:chicken & chorizo bake

MotherOfSoupDragon Tue 08-Oct-13 13:05:35

Thanks Willie smile We do have a lot of leeks, asparagus, courgettes and cauliflower. I can't eat cabbage or broccoli, it aggravates my IBS.

Dh and dd not keen on quiche. Dh will however eat bacon and egg crust less pie although dd won't, however I think cream slows my loss. I'll try it again though, because I do like it.

OhCobblers Tue 08-Oct-13 13:27:53

I haven't added anything since Bootcamp started as I'm having a nightmare and really need some help/advice.

I've been low carbing since June. I lose about 3-5lbs and even though I had a holiday in there I still ate properly even though booze was involved.
Day to day I don't drink and I'm pretty sure I eat properly. No potatoes, pasta, rice, bread, high carb veg or fruit and def no sweets, chocs etc.
I really hoped to see more of a weight loss.

When Bootcamp started I had 2 weddings in 10 days and even though I ate properly I was of course drinking. I pretty much do not drink the rest of the time. I'm exercising and drinking 3 litres of water though some days I don't quite make it to that much as its a real slog for me!
Where can I be going wrong (I realise a food diary would help) I'm desperate to get pAst the weight that I seem to be sticking on but not sure if this is working for me? sad I need to lose at least a stone.

Maryz Tue 08-Oct-13 14:14:44

Thanks for including me on the s/s willie smile

I'm glad you are enjoying the job, BIWI.

A miracle has occurred in this house - ds2 has noticed that I look thinner and has informed me that he is very impressed shock

daisychicken Tue 08-Oct-13 14:25:37

anyone got some good ideas for leftover roast chicken? I just can't think what to make! We've had a roast dinner, I've boiled the bones for stock so will have soup of some description. We had garlic chicken last night so I'll finish that tonight while ds's have pasta with some of the leftover chicken but I still have enough for one more meal - this truly was a rubber chicken!!!

Maryz Tue 08-Oct-13 14:29:29

To eat it cold, mix it with mayonnaise, a bit of cream, some tarragon and salt and pepper. Wrap in lettuce leaves.

For the family carb eaters, add a few grapes, and eat with cold rice or pasta.

googoogoggles Tue 08-Oct-13 14:42:16

daisy if they're tiny bits of chicken, I've done braised cabbage parcels a few times and really liked it (lots of chopped up bits of veg – leftovers. I've done mushrooms, shallot, courgette plus the chicken bits) wrapped in wilted-down large cabbage leaves to make parcles, then oven-baked with cream on top. Think it's one of BIWI's recipes and is on the recipe thread.

Depends if you all like cabbage and you happen to have one in!

Or mix with mayo and salady veg like cucumber for lunchtime?

Or curry?

I think I've managed to drop a couple of llbs after staying the same last week but my scales are doing their taunting thing where they say 11st 13, then 11st 11, then 11st 12 in successive morning weigh-ins. Am going to post 2lbs as that seems to be the average!

Really impressed with a lot of people's weight losses. I've been following it pretty well but don't seem to lose weight quickly, which can be a bit dispiriting (and I could do with losing at least another stone – probaby not too much more as am quite tall. I think age (menopause) and sedentary job don't help but I know I also did better at the beginning when I was much more focussed on drinking enough water and that is something that has definitely slipped this last couple of weeks. Also do wonder if I'm having enough fat, though I do try (had fried eggs, bacon and fried mushrooms this morning!)

Keep going everyone!

May try the ubercamp, too, but possibly next week as I've some Total to eat up and lunch tomorrow involves feta!

Lavenderhoney Tue 08-Oct-13 14:44:07

Such a strange thing happened today- I have been lc on bootcamp not bootcamp lite, haven't cheated. The only thing different this morning was I didn't exercise - spa morningsmile and I didnt drink usual 1.5 litres water.

I had my lunch - leftover cauliflower in butter with some halloumi, and by 3.00pm I felt as though I was going to fall asleep! Exactly as I did ages months ago when had carb flu.

So odd. Have drunk loads of water though.

captainmummy Tue 08-Oct-13 14:50:47

Coblers - could you list out your food? Could be you're not eating enough fat, or too much dairy?

MotherOfSoupDragon Tue 08-Oct-13 16:31:31

Lavender, I'm feeling the same today! extremely tired and heavy! when walking the dog just mow I felt I couldn't take another step. I did have a rubbish weekend with cake and booze, yesterday and today I've been following Bootcamp though. I don't know if it's carb flu, I am a bit achey.

Unfortunately dd baked muffins at school today and wanted me to try one. I couldn't get away with pretending to eat it, as she stood waiting expectantly! Just had one though.

daisychicken Tue 08-Oct-13 16:44:45

Thanks maryz and googoo.... think I'll end up doing a curry... I've gone off salads atm and ds2 hates cabbage.. I def need more leftover meat recipes!

BerylStreep Tue 08-Oct-13 16:52:09

Hello all, still here, still lurking and STS. Have been away for the last couple of weeks, but still doing BC light.

BIWI good luck with the new job.

OhCobblers Tue 08-Oct-13 18:40:57

captainmummy thanks.

Today for example : lidl Greek yoghurt (sometimes with a few frozen berries) for breakfast. Lunch was 2 scrambled eggs and sep dish of feta with courgette and aubergine fried in butter. Dinner will be lamb with salad and kale fried in butter.

Breakfast is generally as above. Lunch is generally ham, chorizo, tuna mayo or egg mayo with lettuce leaves. Dinner with be fish or meat with veg cooked in butter (last night I had poached salmon with kale). 3 litres of water. Snacks will be cheese or chunks of chorizo/ham, olives.
Sometimes I feel a funny coating on my teeth which I believe is being in ketosis??

Thanks for any advice.

tenementfunster Tue 08-Oct-13 18:46:37

this an utterly ridiculous post, i realise, but nonetheless...
i have a couple of spoons of total, 5 macadamias and about 5 ish blueberries for breakfast.
does this sound ok, in quantity of said nuts and blueberries? i am so greedy that sometimes i need things spelt out to me in terms of quantity
willie thanks for the gravy-less mince advice!

Lavenderhoney Tue 08-Oct-13 19:18:08

Mothetofsoupdragon, if I cheated in the past, it always takes 2 days to show and likewise exercise. I haven't cheated though!

Was the muffin nice? I love muffinssmile

Maybe I'm just tired! Roll on half term.

MotherOfSoupDragon Tue 08-Oct-13 19:53:33

Lavender, no the muffin wasn't fab, tbh, what a waste of a cheat! but I couldn't disappoint her sad

Hopefully I won't be confronted with anymore carbs now. Dd and her friend have finished off the muffins anyway. Roast pork with spinach and mashed swede for dinner, lovely!

OhCobblers your food looks great to me. I don't know why its not working for you. The only thing I can possibly suggest is maybe choose snacks other than cheese for a bit, as an experiment? (I think when I really lay into cheese as a snack as I may have done today it does stall me).

How long since the wedding-related-drinking and what has your weight been doing? Sure no clothes have been feeling looser while weight stays the same?

Great compliment from your son, Maryz! He'll go far.

AuntieMaggie Tue 08-Oct-13 20:17:25

<carby twat enters...>

I forgot to weigh before leaving home for a couple of days yesterday so will do so when I return... I'm away with work and as such my eating has been shite...

Yesterday was good until dinner - had thai food in P'boro and it wasn't great. So I bought chips on the way back to the hotel but only ate 5 or 6 then binned the rest.

Today was good until lunchtime... fecking sandwiches and donuts! How many times do I need to tell these people??? So they got me some chicken and lettuce leaves (I kid you not) by which time I got a prawn salad from M&S which wasn't much better so I had a yogurt and orange I got from the hotel at breakfast just incase. For dinner I grabbed a burrito (minus rice) at B'ham station intending to eat the insides but the meat was gross so I've had the salad/guacomole and an apple. So kinda pleased I haven't resorted to any processed shite but pissed off that I've had to make do with fruit.

Observation for the day is though that I will not eat something if its not doing it for me or for the sake of it. Not sure if this is this woe or the hypnosis I downloaded but it means I'm eating less. I'm also fussier - if something doesn't taste great I can't eat it anyway like before. Not sure where all this leaves me...

Will read rest of thread when I get on my laptop.

BerylStreep Tue 08-Oct-13 20:57:23

AuntieMaggie - is it the virtual gastric band that you downloaded?

I use it, and think it is great - I do find myself not eating as much, trying to leave a bit on the plate etc. I much prefer the phase 1 session though - I found phase 2 just sort of lost it for me.

captainmummy Tue 08-Oct-13 21:11:18

Cobblers - the only thing I can see is that it is maybe a bit dairy-heavy. Dairy stalls me (I love yoghurt and cheese!) so maybe give the ubercamp diaries a go ; on the spreadsheet, 3 days of dairy free. See how it goes.
But if you are enjoying the food and are not hungry - well, I intend to stay on this WOE for life; if the weight goes at a lb a month Ill be happy! You don't have too much to lose, but a few day so of clean carbs /fat/protein may show.

AuntieMaggie Tue 08-Oct-13 21:17:22

I've been using one by Andrew Johnson for weight loss and I downloaded one of the virtual gastric band tracks for 99p part 1 bedtime version...I figured if nothing else it would help me sleepgrin

timidviper Tue 08-Oct-13 21:34:19

I went to my meeting today at the crappy restaurant which does not do salad. There were 5 of us, 3 had paninis, 1 had pizza and I had a black coffee which was truly vile. The staff served the pre-ordered carby shite food, nobody asked if I had would like anything although, as one of the others pointed out, the few anaemic soggy leaves garnishing the panini plates suggested a salad would be awful too. Anyway I will content myself with a bad review on Trip Advisor and Yelp and will never go again

I have got the most dreadful squits tonight, real through the eye of a needle scenario but doubt I could blame that on a cup of black coffee.

Am out for the day tomorrow so will have to see how I cope with eating on the hoof, knowing me I'll probably regain everything I have squitted off today!

AuntieMaggie Tue 08-Oct-13 21:38:07

cobblers are you still drinking booze and what booze do.you drink?

NewStartNewStory Tue 08-Oct-13 21:49:18

Has it helped your sleeping auntiemaggie ? My sleeping has been right up the spout recently.

OhCobblers Tue 08-Oct-13 22:08:26

auntiemaggie I've had had 4 boozy nights (champagne and wine) since 1 sep and the odd glass of red wine on 3 nights but no haven't been on the booze since Fri!

keeponkeepinon Wed 09-Oct-13 08:14:09

Oh, I think something is finally happening for me again...0.4lb off overnight which takes me back into the 160s! Keep on keeping on and it WILL come off. I also feel there is some reduction in the muffin top on my jeans which feels fantastic! At last, something that works for me!

StuntNun Wed 09-Oct-13 09:20:28

I'm 4 oz down as well KeepOn but not sure whether to read much into it! After two weeks of STS it's nice to see a loss however small. My DH asked me what I wanted for Christmas and I said I would like a leather jacket. The only question is will I be size 14 or size 12 by then?

NewStartNewStory Wed 09-Oct-13 10:00:07

Willie could you remove me from the spread sheet. I am having a bit of a hellish bootcamp (not because of bootcamp, because of unhelpful judgemental twats, who i am surprised haven't managed to cut themselves in half their judgey pants have been hoiked that high from the opinions they have felt to inflict on me daily about my parenting choices for sn ds) I will continue to lurk but i need to kick the ass of rl a bit. I am hoping there will be a january bootcamp for me to jump on board of? <hopeful>

OhCobblers Wed 09-Oct-13 10:09:52

captainmummy the problem is that my weight goes up and down without seeing any major weight loss which is hugely disheartening. I do enjoy the food, but do still get quite hungry in between meals, but possibly not eating big enough portions or enough fat. 1b a month isn't enough for me!!!

OhCobblers Wed 09-Oct-13 10:16:02

ruprekt I've started Übercamp menu A today. Weighed myself this morning and I'm 157 pounds, will post weigh in on Sat morning!!!

keeponkeepinon Wed 09-Oct-13 10:16:14

Stuntnun - thats the same as me - I would love to get a gorgeous leather jacket but I only want it if its a size 12! I am just one of those people who gets bothered by the label.

MrsSnuffleupagus Wed 09-Oct-13 12:37:31

Hi all,

I need to biggest kick up the bum going, I haven't weighed myself this week as I know I was a carby twat last week and I don't think it would have done me any favours. I've been really struggling to stay on top of everything at the moment, my DH is working every hour he can as we desperately need the money leaving me to run the house and look after our 3 DC single handedly. Don't get me wrong I know how hard he is working and I really appreciate everything he is doing, and I know a lot of people have it soooo much harder than me but for some reason it's just really getting me down sad So of course what do I turn to? Carbs. I've not been that bad but I just find it so frustrating, I'll start off the day really well then hit mid-afternoon/evening, kids are tired and being a challenge and I reach for the cake/chocolate/ice cream shock undoing all the goodness sad

So could someone please come and give me a good talking to? I want and need to do this!

Apologies for the rant.

Lifeisontheup Wed 09-Oct-13 14:32:45

Does anyone know what to eat following a tummy bug, I'm just coming to the end of a mild one and would normally have some tomatoes on toast. I know this was asked earlier on in bootcamp but can't find the answer.
Any ideas?

Ruprekt et al failing miserably at über amp due to rl nightmares. Sorry.

I look forward to hearing success from you so ill feel motivated next week.

I'm wobbling again (physically and mentally) after an 8lb loss since 2 weeks before official bootcamp start, I've sts now for 2 1/2 weeks. I did drop down then fluctuated back up within a day and stayed there. I'm not cheating and not even eating much dairy. I know 8 lbs over 6 1/2 weeks isn't a bad average loss, but the staying the same size and shape (no inches off either) is depressing given all the effort.

My motivation is seriously dipping. On WW a few years ago I lost 2 1/2 stone in 4 months. It was a steady, motivating and good loss. I only lost my way when I was pg. I love this woe but if I'm not losing weight it's just expensive and a hassle. I'm tempted to WW to get the weight off then switch to lchf.

MotherOfSoupDragon Wed 09-Oct-13 17:02:24

OhFuck, I keep thinking the same, but I know this woe suits me better all round so am trying to stick to it, whether I lose or not.

Having said that, today I am really struggling. In coming down with a cold and feel miserable and just want to stuff my face with carbs. Or at least pour lots of sweet tea down my throat.

I was going to go out tonight, but may cancel now as I'm feeling rotten. hmm

MotherOfSoupDragon Wed 09-Oct-13 17:07:56

OhFuck, I keep thinking the same, but I know this woe suits me better all round so am trying to stick to it, whether I lose or not.

Having said that, today I am really struggling. In coming down with a cold and feel miserable and just want to stuff my face with carbs. Or at least pour lots of sweet tea down my throat.

I was going to go out tonight, but may cancel now as I'm feeling rotten. hmm

MotherOfSoupDragon Wed 09-Oct-13 17:55:41

Sorry for double posting, there seems robe a problem with the app as it keeps losing the connection.

BerylStreep Wed 09-Oct-13 20:30:23

I am increasingly flirting with the idea of a tummy tuck. I have a very stubborn layer of fat over my tummy, that just won't seem to shift. I see people glancing at my tummy every so often, and I know they are wondering if I am pregnant.

Anyone have any idea how much a tummy tuck & a bit of lypo is?

thenightsky Wed 09-Oct-13 21:49:56

Lifeisontheup I went to Egypt 2 weeks ago and got a horrendous tummy bug. I tried the old dry toast thing and found it made me worse. I switched to eggs with a tiny bit of cheese (small portions only) and I improved on that. So, I would have a spoonful of scrambled egg or a one egg omlette and add a single cheese slice off the buffet table. I stuck to plain water to drink with the very occasional small cup of tea.

StuntNun Thu 10-Oct-13 06:44:05

My rule of thumb OhFuck would be to give it a month. It's quite normal to STS on this WOE because there can be changes in body composition that don't show as weight loss. One advantage of LCHF diets is that your metabolism doesn't slow down like it does on low calorie diets and this preserves your muscle mass - which is good because you lose fat rather than muscle which you will need to regain when you finish dieting. However one side effect of this is that some people, particularly men, actually gain muscle even though they aren't exercising any more intensely. I know my weight STS for 15 days but over that time my tummy got a bit firmer so something was happening even though I wasn't losing weight.

captainmummy Thu 10-Oct-13 08:08:39

ohfuck - the thing about this WOE for me is the real food! WW is full of sugar and emulsifiers and thickeners - I hate all that. Processed, chemical, low-fat - I don't see how that can possibly be 'healthy' for you. It's up to you of course, but I think this WOE is so much better for us, andthe weight will come off!

bigkidsdidit Thu 10-Oct-13 09:57:59

Can anyone clever suggest something for me to cook tonight, I'm going sets for the weekend and don't want to buy anything extra. I have: chicken breasts, half a head of broccoli, half a swede, a whole cauliflower, romaine lettuce, sour cream, soft cheese...

bigkidsdidit Thu 10-Oct-13 09:58:28

Going away

googoogoggles Thu 10-Oct-13 10:01:55

For those of you having a wobble (and I know I'll have one at some point, though my head is still in the right place as I type), perhaps keep thinking of those who've done done well on this WOE long term. I've tried all sorts of diets in the past, and they work for a bit when I'm in the zone (as they do), and then I go back to my usual ways and the weight either piles back on or creeps up over time. I do think the difference with this WOE is the advantage of not being hungry or craving sugary things when you're in ketosis, which makes it much more bearable. I agree it's a pain having to plan so much and not be able to go into a cafe and grab a muffin or something. I also, like Negroni posted, find it really tough if I've upped the carbs (wine/gin/nuts or cake etc) and have to re-deal with the carb munches BUT I also feel more determined this bootcamp to keep at it for longer. It was Crabby's post earlier this thread that was a bit of a light bulb moment for me, as I remember we both started back in May at almost the same weight give or take a pound but whereas I went onto BC light after 2 weeks and ate lots of yoghurt/flaxseeds/berries/nuts and then went back to my old ways by weeks 9-10, Crabby must have stuck with it much longer with fewer off-piste moments so has now got under 11st (well done, you, by the way!). I, on the other hand, have only just got below 12st, having to shift some of the weight I'd dropped. Obviously, we're all different (ages/level of activity), but I wish now that I'd stuck at the bootcamp bit longer to give this WOE a proper chance. So, this time round, I'm trying to keep on BC for a while longer, trying to only introduce total/fruit/booze etc at the weekends and hoping my head stays in the right place and I can get back on track when I have a cheat, planned or otherwise)). Sorry for the long post –just felt I needed to say how I feel I am finally beginning to grasp that this has got to be a long-term thing for me (and that's a bit of a daunting thought sometimes with my history of associating carbs with comfort eating...) and that maybe it's a good thing to get my head around losing weight slowly and steadily (again, hard after the gratification of quick-fix diets I've tried in the past)
(and I'm not stalking you, Crabby honest!)

Lifeisontheup Thu 10-Oct-13 11:27:39

I've just put on a pair of jeans which I haven't been able to fit into for a year and they fit!!!!! And I don't have that huge muffin top (more like a victoria sponge top) hanging over them. Felt great when I went out.

I also don't have the red marks when I take my bra off. I may not have lost much weight in terms of actual pounds but my shape is changing.

StuntNun Thu 10-Oct-13 11:34:24

I agree with GooGoo and Captain that this WOE is so much healthier than any kind of mainstream diet and the not feeling hungry makes all the difference. I've been so focused on my weight not shifting for the last couple of weeks that I'd forgotten how much progress I've already made. I'm sixteen weeks in and I've lost 26 lb, so why am I having a wobble when I STS for a while? It hasn't come off linearly though but in fits and starts with some increases and the occasional whoosh! My lightbulb moment was walking upstairs carrying DS3 this morning I caught a glimpse of myself in the mirror and realised I'm not fat any more. It's easy to look in the mirror and see the wobbly bits that I still want to lose but in actual fact I'm the lightest I've been in more than ten years. And that's worth celebrating.

Anyway I didn't pop on to MN just to make a motivational speech, I am seeking cooking advice. I have a much bigger than expected due to online grocery shopping huge pork shoulder joint to cook so I was thinking about making barbecue pulled pork in the slow cooker. I have found a recipe for a lowish carb barbecue sauce but I have no idea what to serve with it. Does anyone have any suggestions for accompaniments?

captainmummy Thu 10-Oct-13 12:46:59

Bigkids - I'd cut a pocket in the chicken breasts and stuff with cream cheese. Bake until done and splosh some cream over. Break cauli into florets and roast in oil. Serve with mashed swede and brocolli and lettuce if you like. grin
lifeisontheup - well done! Fab!
Stuntnun - well done you too. Mashed cauli or swede? Ribbons of cabbage cooked in butter? Celeriac chips? Salad of course. Cauli rice made into a type of rice-salad?

HighJinx Thu 10-Oct-13 12:51:08

I am envy at all the people who are losing weight and/or inches.

All I am losing is motivation.

I think I need to log everything I eat and monitor the carbs/fats etc (which I hate doing) because I think I may be having too much. It is now 2.5 weeks since I lost anything at all and it is so tempting to turn to another tried and tested weight loss method.

Well done to everyone who is doing well. I am happy for you just bloody jealous too

Apologies for moaning.

bigkidsdidit Thu 10-Oct-13 12:55:11

Ooh stuffed chicken breasts! I might well do that, thanks captain

I do like the real food aspect and I never ate many of the emulsified foods when on WW before, it's not essential to buy he products to succeed. But I agree that only on this woe do I not feel hungry and miserable.

The thing is, it's all very well to say that it suits me, but I have 3st to lose before I'm even within touching distance of the top end of a normal bmi. I know that it's not a perfect scale, but it's not so imperfect that it is irrelevant.

I plan to stick to it until the end of BC & continue keeping BC light for weekends only. But I need to see a loss of at least a stone by the end of BC to make it worth continuing at this point. To be honest I'd rather feel a bit miserable for a further 10 weka dropping the weight faster, then maintain with lchf than spend 6 months shifting a stone.

Like a few others, I am not losing much actual weight. However, I do FEEL slimmer and lighter. I'm a bit disappointed in the lack of major weightloss and can't decide whether to really go for it and cut out dairy and maybe coffee for a while or just keep on as I am.

googoogoggles Thu 10-Oct-13 14:55:50

Like the sounds of yr slow-cooked pulled pork stuntnun How about buttery green cabbage ribbons or courgette ribbons, or slices of celariac oven-roasted with bit of cream? Just typing that, may be a bit dull but I'm not the most inventive cook! I also have popped back on for recipe advice. Am having family over for later this month eve and in the past have done a huge meat/potato pie with pastry crust so I could do with a low carb replacement that will feed the hoards at not too much expense – something I can bung in the oven and leave. Suggestions gratefully received!
Also, a question. I totally get what everyone means about scales not shifting much and it's the same with me BUT many of us are feeling slimmer and lighter so maybe it shouldn't matter so much (and speaking as one who does get dispiriting, too, to keep seeing the same damn numbers) – and is it because fat weighs less than muscle anyway, so it takes longer to show up on the scales?

NewStartNewStory Thu 10-Oct-13 15:10:23

For all those who are wavering due to to lack of results on the scales, what is your ultimate goal? Too be physically as thin as possible no matter what the cost, or to be smaller, healthier and enjoy your food? You are complaining about lack of weight lost whilst saying your shape has changed/feel healthier. You are in the middle of the period of adjustment where there is not expected to be any weight loss. BIWI warns of this in her ops. So it really comes down to this are you stuck so much in the short-term view of life that you are not able to step outside and see the bigger picture giving this a proper chance with an entire 10wk introduction which will properly allow you to assess whether this actually works? Stop whining about no weight loss. Stay away from the scales if needed, keep to basic bootcamp for a few more weeks being strict and no cheats, or the strict during week and light at weekend to allow the odd drink. Give this a proper go before you write it off and leave the instant result approach behind. Because that is a hang up from all the approaches you have tried before, instant result with less long term result. You want a long term result it is going to take the time it takes and you never know you might just get a visit from the whoosh fairy in the next couple of weeks.

<steps off soap box><takes something for rantiness><goes back to lurking>

bigkidsdidit Thu 10-Oct-13 15:20:18

Googoo how about boeuf bourguignon? With celeriac mash?

HighJinx Thu 10-Oct-13 15:22:36

You are complaining about lack of weight lost whilst saying your shape has changed/feel healthier.

No I am complaining because my shape has not changed and I don't feel especially healthier either (though that may be unrelated to this woe atm)

Stop whining about no weight loss.

I'm sorry I thought this thread was as much to support those who were struggling as it is to cheer those who are doing well. I'll fuck off then

NewStartNewStory Thu 10-Oct-13 15:42:36

So back at ya i will throw the questions:
how much water are you drinking? Is it at least the amount suggested for your weight on the spreadsheet?
how far are you from your target weight?
how much sleep are you getting?
what meds are you on?
what week are you on?
Have you cheated even slightly?
How much fat are you eating?
How much stress are you under?

There are so many reasons for not losing weight and there is a hell of a lot of support on this thread. But there is also the feeling that this woe is a short term fix for years. This is a way of eating or more correctly a way of life. And there are so so so many people who will help with this. There are so many good ideas for recipies, so many helpful breaking down of where the problem is. You will get this and you will sort this. BIWI has helped so many as have so many of the other regulars.

NewStartNewStory Thu 10-Oct-13 15:44:30

And admittedly that previous post was on the harsh side. I could ask for it to be removed but then only aspects of it will be quoted and not all of it so ignore it and ignore my posts if you so chose. the others are more helpful anyway.

captainmummy Thu 10-Oct-13 15:58:53

NSNS - has BIWI given you the big stick??? grin - I do agree, this is a WOE not a quick fix. Who was it said upthread - was thinking of going back to a tried-and-tested (WW,SW can't rememebr which) diet ; I did suppress a smile, as these may be tried and tested and work (short-term) but if they worked, we would not need them (more than once) They don't work longterm, as anyone who has done WW or SW knows, that's why so many are on this thread, and others.

Highjinx - not aimed at you at all. Sorry if you are feeling sensitive. Please stay.

NewStartNewStory Thu 10-Oct-13 16:10:15

I hope not captain with my rampant foot-in-mouth disease i am likely to have upset everyone to the point of there being no one left. blush

"Highjinx - not aimed at you at all. Sorry if you are feeling sensitive. Please stay." *highjinx -this. it was not meant to be specific and definitely not meant to drive anyone away. Just to highlight that an entire new way of thinking is the hardest part of getting this to work. Please please stay. Promise the others have good advice and might be able to spot something to help you!

googoogoggles Thu 10-Oct-13 16:30:03

think newstart has large pole rather than big stick (not meant to sound rude!)
OK maybe NSNS's words were harsh but this WOE does seem to work if you stick with it long term. Look at timidviper captainmummy and others, who've had some amazing results, so I for one am really planning on giving it a good go this time for the full 10 weeks if I can and see where it gets me. Am sure I'll wobble and fall off the wagon further down the road, but am hoping I'll be able to get back on more quickly this time using some of the tips everyone's been giving. I'm truly trying to be supportive here, not preachy, because I need the mutual support too! Hope those wavering stay, get a whoosh – and then support me in a few weeks when I'm probably wavering too!
And NSNS is right in that it's got to be better to look slim/feel slim rather than be a certain weight?
Thanks for recipe idea. Is a good idea – just the expense of all that meat for 14 puts me off (and a few of the little ones don't like mushrooms etc that can bulk it out) Maybe I'll just do something different for me... (and hide my plate when I'm tucking in to a rich beef daube or something and they're all on spuds playing hunt the meat!)

halfthesize Thu 10-Oct-13 16:37:57

Sorry been so absent for last 2 weeks, RL getting in the way. Had an interview today and have managed to get back to the gym in the last fortnight which always makes me feel better.

Hope everyone is doing well, looks like some fab losses. I have lost a total of 5 lbs since start so not bad as I am a long term LCarber smile
Can I please be re added to the spreadsheet Willie thanks

Maryz Thu 10-Oct-13 16:40:47

NewStartNewStory, it may have been harsh, but it is true.

This is the only "diet" I have ever been on where I can genuinely say I haven't been hungry, at all.

So if I give in (and I did, to a scone last week, and a mini mars bar yesterday blush), it isn't because I'm hungry, it's because I'm (a) bored and (b) remembering how nice it tastes.

And if I want to lose weight I have to cope with both those issues. Previously I could say "I'm eating outside my guidelines because I'm hungry wah, wah" which is what I always did - hence my failure. This way, I have no excuses, and so am more likely to stick to it.

I agree with the "stick it for 10 weeks" approach. Ten weeks is a very short period of time - ok, maybe people are pissed off because they want to lose weight quicker, and they will by starving themselves. But how many of us have lost before, only to put it all back on.

Surely it's better to lose a stone a year, and keep it off, than lose a stone a month and put it straight back on?

HighJinx, yes, we can moan here - but part of it is getting kicked up the arse regularly as well grin

bigkidsdidit Thu 10-Oct-13 17:00:54

If you do it in a slow cooker you could get cheap meat?

HighJinx Thu 10-Oct-13 17:34:13

I'm glad so many others are really enjoying this woe. I'm also sorry that I'm not enjoying it because I really, really want to. I love not being hungry but I find I am feeling nauseated by the extra fat. Probably too many years of listening to Rosemary Conley et al.

I have tried to follow BIWI's excellent advice pretty much to the letter, even logging how much water I drink to make sure I get enough.

I don't mind if the weight loss is slow if there was something to hang on to like my clothes being loser or feeling healthier but there isn't. Maybe it is a side effect of being ill for the last couple of weeks but I don't feel better at all and that it is making me sensitive. Right now another 5-6 weeks of feeling like this seems like a very long time.

I don't want to start eating carbs again. I don't miss them at all. But I AM struggling with this woe.

Anyway I will keep trying for a while longer and also investigate alternative low carb ways of eating.

HighJinx Thu 10-Oct-13 17:34:54

*looser not loser

NSNS I think your posts were harsh & although true in your eyes, mean and unsupportive. I don't have time to answer all your queries, but I often drink 4l of water, I haven't cheated once and only do light at weekends, I get enough sleep, have no real stress, although I'm logistically busy and I have lost as I mentioned but I have neither changed shape nor still feel slimmer.

I was the one who mentioned WW and not as a l

Oops, long term thing, but a way to she'd weight more quickly and then switch over to this woe again as I don't feel hungry etc. I am aware it's not a quick fix, but with a lot to Los and body image issues I can't be doing with sts for 3 weeks. I desperately hope that things will move very soon; either shape or weight.

I and others have also been very clear that we WILL stay out the 10 week period, but are feeling low and unmotivated.

Your big stick was not very expertly wielded in terms of supportive motivation. Just so you know.

halfthesize Thu 10-Oct-13 17:56:42

Ohfuck sorry to hear you are feeling demotivated, I know to sts can be annoying. I have found over the last 18 months of doing this woe properly and light (with a few cheats over holidays etc) I seem to loose then stay the same for a while, then have a whoosh and of I go again.
I try to vary what I eat so I dont get sick of the same food and quite often reduce dairy to help loss more when sts.
I really hope things start to move for you soon, I m sure they will smile

halfthesize Thu 10-Oct-13 17:59:05

So today I have had home-made soup for lunch, loads of water and am having roast chicken with veg for dinner.
Am also having a V & T to relax after stressful interview today wink

Thank you Half smile

HighJinx Thu 10-Oct-13 18:24:26

Good post Ohfuck

timidviper Thu 10-Oct-13 18:42:10

As Maryz said support is great but a kick up the arse can do us good now and again too and I'm sure it was that spirit in which NSNS posted.

Ohfuck I'm glad you've decided against going back to WW. I have wasted too many years of my life on that sort of crap and would hate to see others do the same. Over those years my weight went up instead of down.

I still have at least 5 stone to lose so, while I have done well to lose 3 stone overall, I still have a long way to go. As I've said before I have wasted most of this year zigzagging up and down but, whereas on SW and WW, that zigzag showed an upward trend, on this, I have lost half a stone, have enjoyed what I have eaten and feel I have taken positive steps to address the eating issues that got me to this weight in the first place. Sometimes I have had weeks with no visible loss in lbs or inches, then to have a sudden whoosh and lose a lump all at once.
I think we all need to be aware that this is not an easy, short term fix but is a healthy, long term change and six weeks, or even ten weeks, is nothing in terms of the years over which most of us have battled with our weight. The weight loss industry has us conditioned to think we should lose weight quickly which is why most people then put it all back on. It took me 25 years to become double the weight I should be, hopefully it will not take me that long to lose it but we all need to be wary of the thought process which tells us we should do it quickly.

HighJinx Thu 10-Oct-13 18:52:54

Are all the people who are saying 'don't be impatient, lose the weight slowly' actually sts on the scales and with the tape measure for week after week too then?

I would find it easy to say to others 'be patient' if I was slipping into a pair of jeans in the next size down or feeling better than I had in years too. hmm

Quite Highjinx And for the record WW worked for me. I ate healthy food, albeit I felt hungry some days and not others. I lost 2 1/2 stone, felt healthy not deprived and kept the weight off for 7 years, until I got pg, had hyperemesis and ate anything I could keep down for 9 months. 2 bouts of PND didn't help and I had no motivation o do anything.

I understand the loyalty to this woe and I desperately want it to work, but the dismissive criticism of other woe is naive & unhelpful. It worked for me, but I now have 2 children and dont have the time to get to meetings. I also thought that this might be better for my new circumstances (ie no longer able to curb food craving with a ciggie) & age.

Anyhow. I am committed to this and I'm still hopeful for a much publicised whoosh, but it is hard to keep the faith, especially when others are desperate to belittle genuine doubts as to whether this actually suits me.

Maryz Thu 10-Oct-13 19:11:30

I agree HighJinx.

It's a pain in the arse. I'm a week behind everyone, so I have only (so far) seen the weight come off (though I'm not in smaller jeans yet). I suspect I am now stuck, and will be for the next four weeks or so, if you lot are anything to go by.

But I've lurked on threads like this before, and weeks 4 to 6 seem to always go like that - people get very disillusioned, and a bit fed up. Those who have gone through that stop-start-go backwards-start-stop over months not weeks can be very supportive. But they also need to remind us (or me anyway, I'm not trying to speak for anyone else, but I think most of us here have tried other methods of weight loss too) to stick with it, and I need the odd kick up the arse.

The vast majority who actually stick the ten weeks all seem to do very well - obviously that's a self-selective group though, as people drop out for all sorts of reasons. Some drop out because they have stalled. Some because they don't like the woe and know they won't keep it up. Some because they are bored etc etc.

I think a mix of "knowledgable" posters, "supportive" posters and "get a grip" posters make these threads much more interesting, and make me personally more likely to stick with it.

Maryz Thu 10-Oct-13 19:12:55

Ohfuck, I really don't think NSNS meant to be dismissive, I really don't. I think it's easy to take things as personal criticism when they aren't meant that way at all.

NewStartNewStory Thu 10-Oct-13 19:22:26

It's alright MaryZ you don't have to defend me. I know what I meant but it clearly was communicated badly and upset caused that was not intended. For that I apologise.

timidviper Thu 10-Oct-13 19:25:36

Maryz has said it exactly and I don't think anyone is being naive or unhelpful hmm. I think those of us that have done this for a while are just trying to remind everyone that this is a longterm change and to encourage you to keep on.

Highjinks Yes I have times when I have not changed weight or shape and it is very well documented on these threads that I lost my 2 1/2 stone before last Xmas yet felt a bit demoralised that I was still in a size 24, just like when I started, so no change of shape there. Oddly enough I went down into a size 22 in a spell when my weight didn't change at all yet people began asking if I had lost weight.
Clearly, as I have been doing this for over a year now, there have been times when I have lost neither weight or inches.

I'm the same, I lost 3lb last week but that really was just the 3lb I had put on the week before. I am ubercamping this week to see if that helps, maybe dairy is not my friend? It is disheartening to STS on the scales and not feel any slimmer either sad

I'm going to keep at it for the whole of bootcamp 10 weeks, but I'm not sure after that, I'm following all the rules but don't feel like I'm making headway.

Also I BORED of water, is there anything else we can drink?

NewStartNewStory Thu 10-Oct-13 19:29:53

Have you tried it iced with cucumber/lemon slices? <wrecks memory for past tips>

timidviper Thu 10-Oct-13 19:52:17

Ms I have been known to take a couple of lime slices and a few mint leaves, bash them a bit, add loads of ice and fizzy water. It's like an alcohol free mojito and feels like a treat.

Some people have suggested adding some lemon or lime slices, a few raspberries or anything that would add a touch of flavour. Booths used to make a lemon and ginger fizzy water so I am going to try making that next. You could also try an iced tea type thing I suppose.

timidviper Thu 10-Oct-13 19:56:51

Highjinks Sorry didn't say in my post above, I lost 2.5stone with no change in clothes size over 3 months.

I think someone else on a previous thread who had lost 3 or 4 dress sizes consoled me with the fact that it took ages for her to go down that first size but then it got faster and faster


The irony has not been lost on me, this was briefly a bun fight, no?

timidviper Thu 10-Oct-13 20:16:55


captainmummy Thu 10-Oct-13 20:28:06

More like a con-flab grin

Thanks for the ideas, I'll give them a go smile

I like all the food I can eat but the lack of variety in cold drinks is driving me a bit loopy

halfthesize Thu 10-Oct-13 21:03:00

[viper] love the idea of the Mojito

MotherOfSoupDragon Thu 10-Oct-13 21:13:01

I agree that the tone on here is not as helpful as usual. This is a whole new way of thinking and people new to it need all the support they can get and to see that it works.

In an ideal world common sense would let us get on with eating this way, but life grits in the way; lack of sleep, illness, hormones, body issues, emotions ... It's not easy. Add to that that eating this way IS very expensive and/or repetitive at times. I too can't deal with lots of fat and so much meat sometimes.

I think we're all here for advice and support and "stop whineing" isn't helpful and a little harsh.

HighJinks and Ohfuck and MrsInga and anyone else who is struggling, we all want this to work for you. Or something to work for you (if you feel you need to do WW go right ahead)!

If you're not enjoying what you're eating maybe experiment with slightly different things? Eg not liking meat - I never eat meat on this WOE, there are loads of fish/egg/vegetarian options. Eg not liking eating fatty food - maybe find options where its less part of the taste. Eg maybe scrambled eggs "hides" its butter better than tuna mayo doesn't hide that mayo texture? Its important - if you're disliking the food its going to be really difficult to keep your motivation up. I'm sure there are all sorts of different combinations and recipes.

And of course everyone's bodies and systems are different. I wonder whether I've responded well to this WOE precisely because I had become very addicted to carbs in the way I was eating before-hand.

For the record... I don't know my exact start weight in May because I didn't want to ever know it. But I know from records at the doctors that there is no way it was less than 14 stone (196lbs). Now I'm 12 stone 3lbs (171lbs). So thats 25 lbs off in 23 weeks. Average 1lb a week. Too slow??! I hear you cry? Right now, in my size 14 trousers (not size 18) it doesn't feel slow, it feels transformative. Personally I could not have shifted that weight any other way, but that's me - I can't do diets where I feel hungry for 1 day let alone 23 weeks. Maybe others of you have better willpower where that sort of thing is concerned!

I had a lightbulb moment which gave me the impetus to start this WOE in the first place. I had another one towards the end of the summer bootcamp where BIWI pointed out that losing 1lb a week was really good and a healthy rate of weight loss. A quick mental calculation and I thought... OK I'll be doing this until at least Christmas. (For me, a healthy BMI would be 11-and-a-half stone). And that was a bearable thought because I'm not hungry.

Even if you are still thinking "I can't spend months losing 2-3 stone" I reckon you will start to feel better before it gets to "months". I still have 1 stone to go and already feel like a new person.

(I have been weighing since start of this bootcamp and duly lost about 5lbs in 5 weeks, in an up-and-downy fluctuate-y way)

So I hope you can adjust things so your menu IS things you like to eat. Hang in there and keep posting!

MotherOfSoupDragon Thu 10-Oct-13 22:24:48

I think there are lots of things that contribute to making this WOE very difficult for some of us, well, for me anyway.

For one we were assured the sugar cravings would go, but they haven't for me. I think this is because there are physical and mental cravings, the physical cravings may go, but emotional eating is very difficult to change. As I said below life carries on and we have to cope with all sorts; if emotional eating was how we coped before, it is difficult to change that and I think I would need something really good like steady weight loss to make me feel it is worthwhile, that I could cope without the comfort food. I'm sure I can't be the only one who has used food for comfort, so maybe someone understands what I mean.

It seems there are - for me anyway - lots of things making this WOE quite difficult. Yes, I could buy belly pork to save money, but I've discovered I don't like it very much. I don't like fish either (and it's very expensive anyway), I'm easily bored of stew and just veg doesn't fill us up. It also needs to be family friendly. Yes, to avoid boredom I should try different recipes, but there isn't always time to search the Internet, nor am I a confident cook.

I too intend to mainly stick with this WOE, because in some ways I do feel better, but I am finding it much more difficult than I expected and not losing weight after the initial week's loss.

Maryz Thu 10-Oct-13 22:58:21

I think that's true about the cravings.

For me I think the physical cravings have just about gone, but definitely not the mental and emotional ones.

I was in Lidl yesterday, and my mouth started watering at the smell of the new bread. And living with teenagers who are stuffing their faces with roast potatoes, chocolate pudding (and chocolate), crisps, etc etc makes it very, very hard.

I find I'm ok during the week - I'm either out, or here alone, and I get few carb cravings. The weekends are a nightmare, because I wander around the house desperately wanting "something" - I'm not sure exactly what, because I'm not hungry, but I really want to eat, out of habit, something sweet, or something carby, or something that smells nice, something to make me feel better.

I've taken to making sure that I have something really nice just for me on a Saturday night. I got myself fillet steak last Saturday, and a great big chunk of pork crackling the week before and refused to let the kids share. I think I felt a bit better being selfish. This Saturday I have promised myself salmon - again I can't afford salmon fillets for the whole family (at least not in the quantity that they would eat), but I'm not drinking, not eating chocolate, I deserve food I like. I'm going to cook it in a parcel with butter and a bay leaf, and eat it with broccoli, petit pois and home-made hollandaise sauce. All for meeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeee.

Maryz Thu 10-Oct-13 22:58:51

And [arf] at bun fight <if only [sigh]>

Yes I know all about emotional eating! I did some today to cope with a mind-manglingly complicated piece of work - I snacked on cheese and nuts. Which while low-carb is not necessarily going to help!

I love the idea of your food just for meeeeeeeeeeeeee Maryz

For what it's worth I started low carbing in the original Bootcamp in April last year.
I lost 2 stone and have maintained since then but my body shape changed quite dramatically as well as my skin improving, no thrush, came off ADS, mental health improves, concentration levels.

Those who are struggling I really would urge you to read/ re read two books
Dr john Briffa - escape the diet trap
India knight and Nerys Thomas - idiot proof diet
BIWI also recommendeds Gary Taubes but I find it a bit weighty ( no pun intended)

I have lost weight on SW/WW before but not kept it off. Because I understand WHY this works and the health benefits I have stuck to it. I have the odd fuck it moment but generally I love this WOE

We have been lied to by governments for years and years and the health food industry about what is actually good for us. "Healthy food" is not a muller light yoghurt which is full of chemicals and flavorings and makes your teeth itch

Maryz that's a really good point about having low carb treats and getting your mind to think whata lovely treat you have had.
What other Diet allows you full fat hollandaise sauce! Yum grin

BerylStreep Fri 11-Oct-13 00:08:31

Holy Cow NewStart! Way to go, proper bootcamp with shouty Sergeant Major pep talks! grin You are right though, it is a way of life, and one can't expect weight loss all the time. I think the quick initial losses make us think we should expect it all the time. I'm still bumbling along, staying the same, but sticking to it. I've stuck with it for over 6 months now, and whilst I lost a stone relatively quickly, I have since maintained my weight and not put on. I know it is because I drink too much wine, and have too much dairy, but other than that, I am happy with the way I eat and stick to the rules in terms of food. I feel so much better, and fitter.

NYE last year I saw a friend at a party who looked amazing - she had been cycling loads, and she really motivated me and some of my other friends to give it a go. We went out a couple of days later, and after a mile, I was ready to turn back. I remember so clearly talking to my other friend at the time, and telling her how awful I felt all of the time - I actually felt quite tearful. I went on a skiing weekend in January, and felt overweight and shit, and tired, the whole time.

I started LC again at the end of March, and I can honestly say that I feel so much better as a result. So much so, that I completed a 90 mile cycle event about 6 weeks ago, and I don't think twice about cycling 35 miles every weekend. So for me, whilst I really would like to lose more weight, it is about a whole lot more - having energy, not being a slave to food cravings, enjoying delicious, wholesome food, and hopefully avoiding diabetes, which my Mum has.

The other thing to remember is that weight loss is never linear - I have a couple of graphs on my profile of my weight loss journey, which show the daily fluctuations, but also the overall downward trend. I am a daily weigher - I have to be, otherwise I will bury my head in the sand - but I am learning to accept the daily fluctuations.

Anyhow, that's my take on things. For some people, WW or SW will work for them, and if so, go for it. It wasn't for me.

To answer some other posts:

Stuntnun 26lb is absolutely fantastic! Well done, and keep going.

BigKids I know I am far too late for suggestions for your dinner, but when I read your post I thought - Caesar chicken salad with finely sliced garlic fried broccoli and garlic cream cheese dressing affair. Anyway, I hope you enjoyed your dinner.

Googoogogles what about making a shepherds pie for the hoards, and bulking it out with a few lentils? You can then make your own version with leeks and mashed swede, so that when you sit down to eat, it won't really look any different?

MotherOfSoupDragon I have some really good recipe books, which I turn to time and time again - the Idiot Proof Diet Cookbook is very good, as well as the Harcombe diet recipe book. I am also considering buying the Paleo cookbook. They can really help to inspire, and it honestly doesn't need to be about lots of meat and buttered veg. Tonight I had a slice of roast veg crustless quiche and some cheese coleslaw. It was delicious.

timidviper Fri 11-Oct-13 00:39:59

The psychology of eating is a minefield! I have heard the trite explanations for years of "I eat when I'm sad" or "I eat when I'm bored", well I just ate, for anything and everything! I could be any or all of those things but I did not fit into any simplified model. Unfortunately few of us do so there is a limit to how much info any of us can get just from a chat thread which is possibly why some people are still having issues, you have to find what works for you and why.

I have read quite a bit about this and, if you are still having cravings, I suggest you read around a bit too. There is a lot of stuff out there.
As Gless says John Briffa and Idiot Proof Diet cover this. I also like Body Clutter (very american and schmaltzy but rang bells for me) which is by the women who set up FlyLady and SavingDinner, and Doreen Virtue does a lot of relevant books (Constant Craving is my favourite). I know Fat Is A Feminist Issue has also had a big impact on a lot of people.

Unfortunately weight loss is not just about eating less and is as much to do with our brains as with our bodies. As we are all so different there is no "one size fits all" answer to cravings but I promise you, as a recovering Creme Egg addict, it can be done!

BIWIZ Fri 11-Oct-13 01:10:14

Oh goodness - I'm so sorry that some of you are obviously feeling so downhearted sad

I have a very unreliable signal here, and hate typing using the iPad so will not be able to reply until Saturday.

But please don't fight. We are all here to support each other.

It can be frustrating when people post about not losing, especially when

A) I have warned about weeks 3-5
B) rules are being broken

Invariably when people post "I haven't cheated/I have followed the rules to the letter" they aren't.

But also, there are some people for whom low carb simply doesn't seem to work.

If it doesn't, there is something that you can try, called the fat fast. It's extreme, and I don't think it sounds very nice, but if you want to know more then let me know.

Right, I am sure that I'm not cheating, so BiWi if you're sure I'm doing it wrong, please tell me.

B: half an avocado, slice of home cooked ham, salad leaves tossed with a dollop of hellman's mayo.
L: cauli rice, chopped shallots, green beans fried in butter with 2 eggs mixed in.
D: cottage pie made with 20% fat mince, shallots, 1/2 stock cube, water, with swede mashed with leek fried in butter, more butter and served with Brocilli.
S: two tbsp of lidl ff yogurt, 1 black coffee
4l of water

B: breakfast out, eggs benedict without the muffin (ie 2 poached eggs, a slice of ham and hollandaise).
L: tin of mackerel, lathe bowl of mixed leaves, 1 chopped shallot, a few cherry tomatoes and a dollop of Hellman 's.
D: homemade meatballs in a tomato sauce with olive oil and courgette ribbons fried in butter, a few leaves and olive oil.

1 cup of black coffee, 1 cup of tea with milk, 3.5l of water.

B: kale fried in butter with 2 eggs scrambled in.
L: lots of green beans and ham fried in butter.
D: pork belly, egg fried cauli rice (red cabbage, kale, shallots, tbsp if soy for 4 if us, garlic, grated ginger and tsp if tomato purée)

4 Brazil nuts, thumb sized piece of cheese 3.5l of water

B: 2 boiled eggs, mashed with butter and spring onion.
L: chicken salad (mixed leaves, tomatoes, shallot, leftover chicken, dollop of mayo)
D: jumbo prawns cooked in fennel seeds, garlic, fresh tomatoes, shallots, squeeze of lemon, massive knob of butter splash of olive oil, served on courgette ribbons fried in butter.

S: 2 tbsp of lidl ff yog, 1 black coffee, 1 coffee with cream, 3.5l if water

B: 3 rashers of bacon, 2 eggs, mushrooms, fried.
L: h/m brocilli & Stilton soup, made with h/m chicken stock
D: roast chicken with skin, h/m no carb gravy, broccoli, cauli, green beans (all ftied in gatlic butter) braised cabbage, mashed celeriac with cream.

1 coffee with cream, 3l of water, I black tea

Hopefully that's enough to go on. Like I've said many times, I'm really hoping to stay on this woe, I've evangelised enough about how it's much better for insulin levels etc.

I also could accept a temporary cessation in weightloss, if I felt better, lighter or changing in shape. But I'm not. I'm not totm or anything either.

I'm certainly not sedentary, but don't currently do any structured exercise. On Sunday I overhauled the back garden & ached a bit on Monday. On Tuesday I did the much smaller front garden. I walk at least 2 miles a day & rarely sit down until 9, (thanks dc), go to bed between 10/10.30 & coughs/wet sheets (dc not me) aside, wake up at 6.30/7. Except today when DH had an early meeting.

What I hope is that I'll see some movement in the right direction on Monday, however small, but for now I feel entitled to feel frustrated and to seek support/constructive guidance.

googoogoggles Fri 11-Oct-13 07:40:36

Are all the people who are saying 'don't be impatient, lose the weight slowly' actually sts on the scales and with the tape measure for week after week too then?

Yes. Happened to me last BC. That's what I was trying to say. That I wish I'd kept on with it for longer than I did then maybe I would be be much closer to my ideal weight. Who knows? I do hv body shape changes tho to encourage me now - stomach much flatter (tho skin bit saggy after DCs!) , and arse maybe a smaller , so that helps AND less up and down I think mood wise. Must be tough if you don't hv any positive signs at all. Got to run, will try to look at food later tho don't feel expert enough to comment to be honest

HighJinx Fri 11-Oct-13 08:18:22

I am sure it is frustrating to hear people post about not losing or not feeling great about a woe that is working so well for many of you.

Actually I very nearly didn't post but I had seen comments on earlier bootcamp threads where people moaned and were told not to worry as that is what the thread was for. I therefore thought it was acceptable to post my admittedly negative thoughts.

Some of the comments last night were helpful and supportive. Thank you. I am grateful for all the information that has been shared by BIWI and others over the past weeks. flowers

Perhaps I am doing something wrong and breaking rules. I may well need to cut my portions. I certainly need to do more research about this woe to find a way to make it work for me in a way that I feel in sustainable in the longer term. I realise that it is impossible to 'coach' everyone individually here and it is for me to work this out so I will spend my time doing that rather than moaning on an internet forum.

I am committed to this woe and I will continue with it but I will not return to the bootcamp threads.

Good luck to all.

captainmummy Fri 11-Oct-13 08:32:19

Ohfuck - your menus look ok to me. Not too much dairy, lots of water and fat. Are you on any medication? Was there any alcohol? How much do you want to lose? All i can say is - keep on! Bear in mind that tiredness will affect you - it normally makes you 'peckish'; it makes me peck all day at LC stuff.
HighJinx - portion control is something that may need to come into play as you get nearer target.
Exercise only counts for about 15% of fat loss.

Stolen from an earlier bootcamp thread (Re weight) - how many times does someone pick you up? The scales are only a part of the fat-control; if you are in smaller clothes, look better and things fit, does it matter what the scales actually say? As Viper said upthread - you can go 2-3 dress sizes without the scales moving much. (Dunno why this is...)

Keep going. We will get there, healthily and tastily!

CrabbyBigBottom Fri 11-Oct-13 09:21:03

<<comes in to catch up with the thread, narrowly avoids being hit by flying buns>>

Blimey O'Reilly BIWI goes away for a few days and everyone's gone feral. It's like Lord of the Flies in here! grin

High it seems to me that you're taking a great deal of offence where none was intended. confused New's post was a bit blunt but
A) not aimed specifically at you, or anyone in particular
B) she said upthread that she herself is finding bootcamp extremely hard this time because of intense rl pressure and asked to be removed from the spreadsheet. I didn't see anyone piling in with support for her.
C) I know from past BCs that New struggles with constant chronic pain (forgive me if I've misremembered but I think that's the case) so cut her a bit of slack for being a little tetchy. She was trying to help you all.

This is a support thread and you are all welcome to moan, rejoice, whatever as much as you like. But do expect a mixture of responses because there's a wide mixture of posters! Don't anyone get offended or flounce; we're all in the same boat. smile

Googoo I'd be honoured to have you as my stalker! grin You were Maidof before, right? I'm thrilled to have given you a lightbulb moment (and anyone else who gained anything from my post). I did stick to BC religiously last time (apart from wine and a couple of planned cheats) and carried on for most of the summer afterwards. I went totally off the rails in August though and gained a bit. blush It hasn't come off quite as fast this bootcamp as last time, but then I'm nearer my target weight and I haven't been quite as religiously strict about it.

Will post more later, have to go now. Unmumsnetty hugs to anyone who needs one! x

NewStartNewStory Fri 11-Oct-13 09:25:02

Ohfuck are you doing bootcamp or bootcamp light. Are beans allowed in bootcamp? I have in my brain that they were too carby for bootcamp. Will need to check this. Also if you are doing bootcamp then the nuts aren't ok. Bootcamp light I know the nuts are allowed. I will confess to losing track as to who is doing what version.

Re cravings. Ime the only way and i meant the only way i found that the cravings went was when I dealt with the issues causing the emotional eating. I literally stepped of the spread sheet simply because pulling back to back 20hr days on about 4hrs sleep is deadly for cravings and i didn't need the pressure to stand on the scales when I had to deal with what i had in front of me mintue to minute day to day. When I sleep I have less cravings, where there is less stress I have less cravings. On this woe the cravings haven't just vanished or even gotten smaller but i have stopped the straight to mouth approach and got far less 'reward/comfort' feelings. But i have been dealing with the root cause of my thinking behind why i need to resort to food. I still crave the sugar. probably always will.

Have i lost weight this bootcamp? nope I have actually put weight on. Have I changed shape? apparently but i can't see it. Have i learnt more about how to stick to this long term? definitely. Would i class bootcamp as a success? this time around? not really but that is because of a whole heap of things that have lead to the 20hr days. Am I still trying to stick to this woe? yes. This will work for me but I don't expect to see any loss this bootcamp. Too much stress not enough sleep and i expect not enough water too.

Hi everyone, a bit late to the party this week. HighJinx you have to do whatever is right for you. I think that NSNS has tried to apologise if her post came across as upsetting and explained what she was trying to say. Personally I think it would be a shame if you did leave us, you are of course allowed to moan and get support here, that is what has got a lot of us through it. I would love it if you do change your mind and stay with us.

NewStartNewStory Fri 11-Oct-13 09:26:48

crabby your memory is excellent as usual.

HighJinx Fri 11-Oct-13 10:21:45

I am not withdrawing from the thread because of what NewStart said. She has apologised and I am over it. I'm sorry you are in constant pain NewStart

I realise now that I needed to hear what she said too. I do need to stop whinging and take some action to remedy the fact that this isn't working for me. I cannot continue to feel sick all the time from the fatty foods.

I am leaving the thread because I am having a very tough time in RL at the moment and am finding it very hard to deal with this. I desperately needed support yesterday and I felt that I got kicked while I was down. I know that was not the intention to make me feel that and I know I had no right to expect any particular support especially when Crabby points out that others have not received it.

So to be clear I know I have over-reacted and that tells me that I need to move on to find my own way with this woe elsewhere. But I am not flouncing off in a huff with anyone.

Unmumsnetty hugs to ALL of you, especially everyone with tough rl situations. Try to find a way to look after yourselves, us women are often really bad at prioritising ourselves.

Ohfuck your menus look absolutely delicious! Top masterchef marks there. Fingers crossed it will work in time, I couldn't see any reason why not.

Negroni Fri 11-Oct-13 12:39:18

Hello all. Witnessed yesterday's mini-bun-fight but could not join due to trouble with phone!

Just wanted to add a couple of words. Sorry to hear about tough rl situations and also tough times on bootcamp. I think most of us have had some struggles with bootcamp and staying on the wagon.

Until recently I haven't really posted on the internet but have found that posting on these threads and reading others posts is v helpful in terms of providing a continual backing track for my attempt to lose weight. This is the longest I have stayed on a WOE. I have always just stopped a WOE after losing the first chunk and found it v hard to keep going through the ups and downs of stuff and life. I have found this continuing thread a real help even when I am lurking and not posting that much.

Also just wanted to add this. When I was lurking on the thread and even now sometimes, I often feel like everyone else is doing better than me and is doing something different to me. I still sometimes feel "at odds" with the thread. Over time, I have realised that everyone is just doing their own thing and the best they can - there isn't any such thing as "what everyone on the thread" is doing. Examples of feeling "at odds":

1) Being very envyenvy at people starting at similar times but losing more weight - e.g. Crabby and Stuntnun (sorry for naming you!). I admire their resolve which keeps me going but also envy their weight loss

2) Admiring everyone else's cooking of crustless quiche, slow cooked pork, parmesan cheese biscuity things but basically eating v simply all the time. For everyone who believes this WOE is expensive, I just tend to eat v basic samey inexpensive stuff again and again - it works for me. Don't usually post my dull food but tends to be: 2 scrambled eggs; beefburger with courgette ribbons; meaty bolognaise over broccoli and cauliflower; fried aubergine + courgette with bacon plus grated cheese; total yogurt with berries and cream; some combination of fried egg mushrooms, a fried tomato, a slice bacon or 2 low carb chipolatas; Pork belly slice plus greens; Roast dinner without potatoes; the controversial bullet proof coffee! That is basically it - it doesn't have to be expensive at all or involve many ingredients.

3) At the start of this very bootcamp I was quite out of sync with all the newbies who were losing 8lbs over 2 weeks, when I think I lost precisely 2lbs over 2 weeks, then put a bit on again. Some people had lost in a month what I have lost in 5!

So - apologies for epic rambling post - just wanted to say, I personally really value the thread even if I am not doing what everyone else is or as well as everyone else seems to be. I find it incredibly helpful to come back to again and again and it has sustained me through falling off wagon into cake, toast and muesli!

I would encourage waverers to stick with the thread and WOE for a chunk of time. The WOE has stopped me gaining all the weight I have lost back even when I fall off the wagon and largely stopped my mindless munching of white bread toast, jammy dodgers and quavers. The thread keeps me motivated, even if I am reading it while eating too many berries, too much cream and a rogue handful of crisps

halfthesize Fri 11-Oct-13 12:46:13

Afternoon ladies <hoping its safe to enter> to all struggling I am absolutely 100% sure things will begin to move again soon, just keep going, it really is worth it. Obviously you have to do what is right for you, but remember we are all here to support each other

Sometimes things come across as harsh when posting, but as in emails and texts its not always meant that way and can be taken the wrong way.
OhFuck your food looks fine to me and your water intake good, fingers crossed for a whoosh soon. I personally find sometimes a day or three of cutting out dairy does me the world of good and I have also cut my portion size down as been doing this now for 18 months. Like Gless I have lost and maintained for that period.

Highjinx I really hope you stick around, I really believe things will start to move for you soon smile

StuntNun Fri 11-Oct-13 13:34:27

I'm like Negroni, I rely very heavily on this thread to keep me on the straight and narrow, and there have been some departures believe me until BIWI waved her big stick in my direction. I love the encouragement from other people, particularly when the scales aren't shifting, and the inspiration for cooking when I'm stuck in a rut. I do think this WOE can be very tricky to get right for some people. There are a lot of things that can stall you and overall calorie count can also be an issue. If you're eating the right stuff but not losing then calorie counting e.g. on My Fitness Pal may be beneficial.

timidviper Fri 11-Oct-13 13:40:03

Just echoing what half has said above and harping back to maryz yesterday.
The support on here is always a mixture of nurturing, encouragement and a kick up the bum. We all need a combination of those things but nobody online knows you, your life or what kind of a day you've had and equally you don't know them and the situation they are posting from so sometimes the two can mismatch and you get a kick in the pants when you want a hug. It is a hazard of internet groups (as happened yesterday) but can also be a blessing as you can open up to people yet be anonymous as has happened on previous bootcamps when people have discussed emotional eating, etc

To all of those who are struggling, I am a year on from my first bootcamp and it is only now, when I can look back and see how far I have come, that I realise all I have achieved. The progress can seem slow and hard but it has been worth it for me and I'm sure it will be for you too if you can stick with it.

googoogoggles Fri 11-Oct-13 13:47:11

In a rush but just to say, I too really value this thread, so I hope people who post keep on posting... Even if we're at different stages, it does help to get positive stories and tips etc, and know that others do struggle, too. Thinking I may try to start posting what I'm eating, too. This helped keep me focussed last time at the beginning, so may help again – and may perhaps help someone who's new to BC. (Not that I eat a hugely varied diet or am an inspirational cook). Anyway today, so far:
B Coffee with teaspoon cream (x2)
L Sort of cross between a frittata and an omelette. (Meant to be a frittata but got distracted by a work call and flipped it rather than bunging it under the grill). Still tasted OK! Was 3 eggs with bit of chopped courgette and spring onions (fried in a bit of butter first), and handful of spinach
D May be going out for Japanese meal! Thinking of having something to eat first so I am full with raw fish, or chicken sticks and miso rather than a big bowl of lovely sticky rice! Maybe drink in pub after film (will go for G&Ts rather than white wine)
Yes, Crabby, was maidof before. Changed it because am hardly a "maid" not for any nefarious reason or am hiding (only post on this thread!)
Those who don't like eating fatty meat – I don't like it either to. Maybe this stalls me, but I hate pork crackling and chicken skin! Instead I fry to get enough fat by frying chicken in butter (lovely, goes all nutty), or sometimes have lamb chops, or do a beef shin in a slow cooker. Also oily dressings on salad (and the cream in coffee – a new thing for me!)

Mouseface Fri 11-Oct-13 13:53:29

I'm really poorly so I've put in the same weight as last Monday as I weighed my self on Wednesday and was the same. However, since then I've hardly eaten a morsel and feel so thin and look super skinny, I think the next weigh in will be a 'false' one if that makes sense?

I'm not dieting, I'm sweating my body out from the inside. I'm going to have some soup in a mo, low carb of course and some low carb for dinner. Just feel like death warmed up and I'm having to look after Nemo 24, he's off today too. sad he's full of a cold.

I keep falling asleep too. Not great because it's when DH is in his office then he walks in and does the whole - "If you're Ill, go to bed." Yes, and what shall I do with Nemo?

Sorry to moan and moan on and not congratulate anyone, I see MaryZ mentioned lots, so I'm guessing she's a size zero? wink

Whoever has lost weight or inches - well done smile

I need to go, see you all Monday xxx

sorry i'm not around much. work is crazy at the moment. just very quickly:

Biggest Loser of the Week: Maryz
Biggest Overall Loser: Vicky08
Biggest %age Loser Overall: Vicky08

well done all!

i wonder, do people find this useful, or does it make people feel like this is all about losing weight? i don't want to detract from those who have lost well, but in many ways it is a nice side-effect of eating healthily and well, and as always YMMV (your mileage may vary)

timidviper Fri 11-Oct-13 14:21:29

Maryz with regard to Mousefaces post, we'll wait for you to change your name to MaryZero! grin

Mouseface Fri 11-Oct-13 17:29:54


Mouseface Fri 11-Oct-13 17:36:37

Maybe that's what the 'Z' stands for already?

<shakes pom poms in aid of MaryZ doing so well and Vickyo8 smile>

Poor old Mouseface - get well soon!

Willie I bet Maryz is pretty pleased you do the reports. (well done Maryz and Vicky!) I can remember Crabby winning the triple one week!

googoogoggles Fri 11-Oct-13 18:58:58

Ok, for highjinx and ohfuck and holmes and others, I'v just looked back at my weight last BC and it pretty much reflects what I was saying. I started off great when I was in the zone, then fluctuated/sts from week four onwards when I started having lots of dark chocolate, loads of yoghurt/flaxseed/berries, loads of cheese, plus white wine and G&Ts all through week, not just weekends, and probably quite a few carby twat moments, too (cake/rice) AND stopped drinking enough water. I agree that we shouldn't be so fixated on weight, as Willie says, but my weight was:

180, 175, 172, 170,170, 168, 169, 168, 169, 170
(followed by a return to more carbs over the summer...)

Figures reflect what I now know (sniff) – that I've got to be more BC than BC light for the next few weeks if I want to lose fat and drop a jeans size _ BUT BC light chould be a good WOE for me long term, to keep stop the weight piling on in the future, if I can stick with it..

Anyway, am trying and keeping on....

Sorry you're having a difficult BC NSNS this time round – sorry, too, none of us came to offer support when you posted about it previously. Sometimes the thread moves so fast it's hard to keep up...

Have a good weekend, all!

Mouseface Fri 11-Oct-13 19:55:48

NSNS - snap here re the sleep and water, lack of sleep is my major killer but caring for a disabled toddler is killing me currently as I'm ill. I'm not keeping a water chart, (5 lines on a black board :D) so I need to get that back on track but if you've changed shape, then you've changed 'something' lovely! You have to take that as a tiny positive and you are still here, still trying and have so much on your plate! Huge amounts by the sounds of things smile

I hope that you stay with us, even if you stay away for a while and then come back when the pressure lessons? It IS hard to be on BC when your life is swirling around you, worse still when you have nothing low carb to eat when the 2 minutes that you have to eat comes up.

Don't beat yourself up sweetheart, I think you are great posting as honestly as you did xxx

timidviper Fri 11-Oct-13 20:30:33

To all of those who don't sleep well, whatever the reason, you have my sympathies. I am battling through the menopause and not sleeping is the one symptom that has not improved on this WOE (if I eat carbs for a day or two the night sweats and hot flushes return but am fine while low carbing, not quite sure why or how)

I know how hard I find it and that is without the challenges of health and children that some of you are dealing with. I take my hat off to all of you thanks

NewStartNewStory Fri 11-Oct-13 21:03:56

You have my full sympathy Mouse when you have a kid that needs you around the clock you do what you have to do no matter what the cost to yourself. I hope you fell better soon!
I has a respite weekend. My plan is to sleep as my as my body feels it needs. And if i have energy and time left then I might consider doing something. I don't care about what the numbers say this bootcamp. I just want to try to keep to the principles of healthy food, and mostly eating 3 meals a day. As for the shape thing, I think that might have something to do with the fact I treated myself to a few new items of clothes that fit properly and people are not used to seeing me in anything but elephant bum trousers and giant hoodies. winkgrin

Highjinx there have been people doing different versions of this sort of diet getting support on the thread before. I know they had to disclaimer the particular version so they got version specific support but it has been done before and I am pretty certain anyone who wishes to do that would be welcome.

AuntieMaggie Fri 11-Oct-13 21:37:39

Sorry Ladies I've been busy and distracted by xmas threads

Some brilliant losses well done!

To those who don't sleep well - have you tried a weightloss hypnosis recording? I'm not sure if they work for weightloss but they always send me off to sleep!

Maryz Fri 11-Oct-13 22:19:27

Size zero shock In my dreams.

What pushed me into this was getting to 199 pounds. I didn't want to admit I weighed 200 pounds.

In my head I'm about 70 kg (which is the weight I was the day before I gave birth to ds2); in fact I was 90.

And I've just been out to a food thing where I had to eat lasagne and chips. There was no choice - of course I could have only eaten half of it but I have no willpower. So I may be back to square one sad

timidviper Fri 11-Oct-13 22:57:48

Maryz On occasions like that I console myself with the thought that I have given myself a shock to my system which may jolt me into weight loss when I go back to low-carb! grin

Maryz Fri 11-Oct-13 23:03:21

Oh, good thought timid.

I'm considering not weighing this Monday. I can live with not losing any more, but putting it on might drive me to chocolate.

NewStartNewStory Fri 11-Oct-13 23:28:56

There is nothing to say you do have to weight on Monday maryz if it is better for you not to weigh them just don't.

Lifeisontheup Sat 12-Oct-13 09:12:06

Interesting article about sugar in the Times today. I have wondered for a while if that's why none of our family put on weight when I was growing up. I had older parents who were adults during WWII and had got used to cooking without much sugar. We always had puddings but they were mainly berry based and without huge amounts of added sugar. Also Mum rarely used processed food so we didn't get the hidden sugars.

Sorry to have wavered, but this time I really am off. Congrats to all of you for sticking to this WOE but I have decided I really can't. Too much commitment for too little result for me. I know this is because I have not been strict enough, but I don't find the level of strictness required manageable. I know I will cheat too much, and frankly, continuing to eat high levels of animal fats while simultaneously failing to keep consistently low enough levels of carbs seems like a recipe for disaster! I absolutely do believe that the lc WOE does all that it claims to, but it is not for me.
I plan to eat smallish portions of wholegrain carbs, avoid sugar like the plague, have plenty of veg, fish, meat and olive oil and see how I get on. The very best of wishes to you all - may the scales be kind to you! smile

BerylStreep Sat 12-Oct-13 11:00:00

Holmes have you had a look at the Zoe Harcombe diet? It pretty much describes what you are planning to eat. I tried it before, and lost a shedload of weight (see graph on my profile - I think hers was the purple line). I can't remember exactly, but I think lost about 5 kg in one month.

MaryZ - you are the same weight as me! 90kg is my mental barrier - I just need to get into the 80s!

Thanks Beryl - will have a look.

BIWI Sat 12-Oct-13 12:25:11

Sorry to see you go, holmes but I hope it works for you. Ultimately I think that's the really key thing - you have to find something that you can accommodate into your life.

I would also agree with Beryl that the Harcombe Diet is probably worth a look.

And you're always welcome to keep posting here!!!

Thanks BIWI smile. Oh and I second whoever said to read that article on sugar in the Times today. The guy who wrote the book they are talking about lost 6stone just by totally cutting out sugar (he was still eating meat pies etc!).

BIWI Sat 12-Oct-13 13:00:51


The first thing to say is that you have lost weight. In the 'difficult weeks' of 3, 4 and 5 you have maintained that loss. I know it's not a massive amount compared to others, but it is, nevertheless, a loss.

Overall, your meals look fine, so I suspect you could just need to look at tweaking things a little.

The first thing I would say is that it's obviously difficult to comment on portion sizes, but could you look at those and see if you perhaps need to cut them down a little?

Second, you keep emphasising the amount of fat you're eating - e.g. massive knob of butter - but I'm wondering if, actually, you're not eating enough fat. Again, without really seeing what you're eating it's hard to be sure about this. The protein that you are eating is sometimes lower in fat and it's difficult to tell how much of this you're actually eating.

By contrast, you're eating a lot of veg (all of which sounds lovely, btw!), which is fab, but only if it's delivering carbs in a lower proportion to protein and fat.

I wonder if it would be worth working out - just for a couple of days - how much carbohydrate you're eating? It could be that you're simply eating a little too much. And certainly if you're doing Bootcamp Light at the weekend, and including nuts in your diet, it could be that you're just lifting your carb levels a little too high for you.

Unfortunately there's no hard and fast rule here - everyone is different in terms of the level of carbs that they can tolerate. But if you work out how much you're eating at the moment that might give you a better insight into what's going to work for you.

I might, also, look to cut out the green beans and tomatoes/tomato sauce, as I suspect that theses could be adding more carbs to your diet that you suspect. Similarly, switch to a vinaigrette dressing rather than Hellman's mayo - although mayo is great for fat, it does still have some carbs in it.

Third, if you're frustrated by the scales sticking, perhaps consider reverting to Bootcamp at the weekend as well.

Fourth, have you measured as well as weighed? Have you been trying on something that was initially tight to see if there's any difference over the last three weeks?

Re exercise, I would be less concerned about this. Exercise only counts for 15-20% of weight loss and actually is more likely to increase your appetite, making you eat even more. Obviously it's good from a more general health perspective, but if you were to suddenly rush off the gym or start running a marathon, that isn't going to solve the real issue, which is discovering a way to eat that's going to encourage weight loss.

I know that it's frustrating when the weight loss slows, especially when you feel you have a long way to go, and it seems so early in the process. But we are only half way through, and it's really not a very long time that we've been doing this. As someone wiser than me once pointed out on these threads, this is a marathon not a sprint!

As long as you're enjoying the food, don't feel deprived and are not hungry all the time, then stick with it.

Good luck for tomorrow morning!

BIWI Sat 12-Oct-13 18:23:25

Oh dear - I seem to have killed the thread. Has everyone flounced?! grin

NewStartNewStory Sat 12-Oct-13 18:25:56

Perhaps everyone is shivering in a corner? Brrrrr. I has been quieter in here this bootcamp then previous ones by this point.

Did you have a nice trip BIWI?

Hi BIWI, I love posting on here because it's one thread that I know I can't kill!

Thank you for looking over the food. Well I don't want to speak to soon and I won't give details, (because I am going out for a once in a blue moon dinner with DH tonight and although I will stick to BC food, I can not promise not to drink half a bottle of wine...) but the whoosh fairy appears to have visited overnight. Literally, whoosh.

I know you all told me so. I know I shouldn't have whinged. But I'd had a shit week and was beginning to feel a bit bleurgh about all the fat too. I don't feel 'clean' inside like I do when I stay away from it, but not nauseous, so I'll get used to it.

Anyway, thank you for the support and here's to continued steady loss, rather than 3 more weeks of sts!

OhCobblers Sat 12-Oct-13 20:43:50

BIWI pls could I ask you to look at my post from Tues at 13.27 and let me know what you think? I'd appreciate it.

BIWI Sat 12-Oct-13 20:47:48

That's great, Ohfuck.

I'm intrigued, though, why you wouldn't feel 'clean' because you've been eating a high fat diet. Why do you think you feel that way? There's absolutely nothing wrong with fat. It's just a line that we've been fed over the last 30 years or so.

Fat is good. Fat is what helps us grow and, in particular, is what helps our brains develop and grow. Honestly!

BIWI Sat 12-Oct-13 20:53:41
AuntieMaggie Sat 12-Oct-13 21:28:29

Brilliant article BIWI thanks smile

BIWI Sat 12-Oct-13 22:59:10

So. I wondered why it was a bit quiet in here. It's been made apparent to me that people feel that they can no longer post honestly about their achievements or their problems, because they aren't being supported by other posters.

This is a horrible position to be in

Please, please, please think about how you post to other people.

It's lovely when you're losing weight apparently effortlessly, and I hope that other people will be happy for you. But please appreciate that other posters may not be having the same success as you.

Equally, sometimes people are really struggling with things so they need some support and help.

We may all need a big stick applied to our backsides from time to time, but please do it with kindness and consideration. We aren't all necessarily living perfectly lovely lives all the time, and it's not always easy to stick to a plan when things are going tits up.

This is not the easiest of WOEs to follow, so it's really important that we are all here to help and support each other. Goodness knows, there are enough people out there ready to knock low carbing as a WOE without all of us helping to sabotage our efforts.

timidviper Sat 12-Oct-13 23:12:17

Good post BIWI.

For anyone debating whether to keep going or not, I can only tell you that I nearly flounced around this point in my first bootcamp. Myself and another "newbie" both had events coming up where we had to cater and felt a dessert was essential so were discussing minimal damage puddings. Someone else came on and said she was having a hard time and couldn't cope with any mention of anything sweet and how could we? etc etc. Nobody was right or wrong but we all rubbed each other up the wrong way and I almost went but I am very glad I didn't because... HAVE I TOLD YOU I HAVE LOST 3 STONE???!! (Just in case anybody this side of Outer Mongolia has missed it grin )

The threads have been a great help and support and I couldn't have done it without everybody on here

Listen to BIWI She knows what she is talking about!

BIWI Sat 12-Oct-13 23:51:25


I haven't added anything since Bootcamp started as I'm having a nightmare and really need some help/advice.

I've been low carbing since June. I lose about 3-5lbs and even though I had a holiday in there I still ate properly even though booze was involved.

^Day to day I don't drink and I'm pretty sure I eat properly. No potatoes, pasta, rice, bread, high carb veg or fruit and def no sweets, chocs etc.
I really hoped to see more of a weight loss. ^

When Bootcamp started I had 2 weddings in 10 days and even though I ate properly I was of course drinking. I pretty much do not drink the rest of the time. I'm exercising and drinking 3 litres of water though some days I don't quite make it to that much as its a real slog for me!

Where can I be going wrong (I realise a food diary would help) I'm desperate to get pAst the weight that I seem to be sticking on but not sure if this is working for me? sad I need to lose at least a stone.

Sorry I haven't replied sooner.

First thing, and most obvious thing to ask is - are you following Bootcamp rules?

If you're still drinking, and not drinking enough water, by your own admission, then I'm wondering what else you're doing/not doing! You say that you're 'pretty sure' but what does that actually mean?

I've only been quiet on this thread because its been a busy day. And I'm still up because.... Oh my god I've lost the hamster. Gave her a little run around on the carpet, thinking, what could go wrong?


She has vanished into thin air. I've been listening and listening for hamster-y noises. Nothing. Sorry - this is completely off-topic but definitely the only thing I can think about at the moment!

But to pass the time waiting for hamster signs...

B and L were both scrambled egg, mushrooms and tomato. B at home and L in a greasy spoon.

D fried salmon, cauliflower cheese and celeriac chips.

With a late side order of total panic

timidviper Sun 13-Oct-13 01:11:58

Well I checked your menu and at least you haven't eaten her!

Sorry, I hope you find her
Could you tempt her out by scattering seeds around or something?

Guess who just came sidling down the stairs.... One very adventurous hamster. Phew thank god and I am NEVER going to confess this to my DH (he's staying at his sisters tonight). I know from the posts it doesn't look long but I've been looking for her for about an hour and a half!

Now I can stop imagining that she's gone behind the kitchen cupboards into some netherworld. Now - I can put the sofa bed back together and put back all the furniture and toy boxes etc I'd pulled back from the wall!...

Ahem - end of total not-the-topic!

Please everyone do feel you can post! I get a great deal of support from these threads, I definitely find it helps my motivation. I even find myself thinking about the situations of people on this thread, sad as it might seem, idle moments thinking, "I wonder why its not working for xyz at the moment" etc - so I think we are all willing each other on and do care how it goes.

Timid! you're up! I did actually put out a load of hamster food - add that to the clearing up list now!

timidviper Sun 13-Oct-13 01:59:53

I'm just glad you found her and not offended at the thought that you might have eaten her on your low carb diet! grin

God knows how I have reached my 50s with the sleep patterns of a teenager, can't sleep at night but can't get up in the mornings! I'd be fine if I lived inthe Middle East as my sleep patterns are in their time zone

No it made me laugh.

I think I will now attempt to go to bed... as I definitely won't be able to get up in the morning.

goodasitgets Sun 13-Oct-13 04:04:29

Sneaking in. I follow most of the boot camp rules although I've been doing this a fair while. My shape has entirely changed. I moan I'm not losing weight and so I do measurements and photos
Below is two photos - one is my skin without a scrap of makeup and the other is my shape change
It's hard - I fall off the wagon but I remind myself one bad meal won't make me fat but one good meal doesn't make me slim. A bad day and I'm conscious of what I eat for the next few days and I drink loads of water
Here's the photos/changes

Skin (and it's always been crap, spotty and flaky)

Shape - and it's exactly the same dress size weirdly


goodasitgets Sun 13-Oct-13 04:07:35
StuntNun Sun 13-Oct-13 07:22:38

I'm all excited about my planned cheat today - one Yorkshire pudding with my Sunday roast chicken. It's amazing which foods become treats because you don't eat them very often isn't it? I remarked to DH last night that a few months ago we never would have thought that we would be watching telly on a Saturday night and eating, and enjoying, celery sticks!

The reason for the Yorkshire pud is that my DS3 is allergic to eggs so I have had to avoid them completely for the past few months. This is the first step of the egg challenge, I have to eat some well cooked egg to see if DS3 reacts to my breastmilk. I'm really hoping I'll be able to start eating some egg again if he doesn't react. The next step will be starting him on egg which will be scary. It's his first birthday next month and it would be lovely if he could have some birthday cake, although I have an egg-free recipe in reserve just in case.

I hope people will feel that they can keep posting their triumphs and tribulations on this thread, on topic or off. I think we are all on very different weight loss journeys so it's unrealistic to compare against each other. I started LCing six months after DS3 was born so the majority of my weight loss was from pregnancy weight gain which I strongly suspect is much quicker to lose than weight put on slowly over time. I was also breastfeeding six times a day back then so it was easier for me to create a calorie-deficit. I hate to see other people struggling when the weight won't shift. Looking at these threads and the other LC forums it does seen to be tricky to find the optimum combination for weight loss. Maybe we should start posting our daily meals again so that as a group we can get some ideas from other people's meals, and we can watch each other's backs for the dreaded carb creep.

BIWI Sun 13-Oct-13 07:47:29

Glad the hamster returned Lily!

goodasitgets - great pictures. It's really good to have a record of your progress, especially when things get tough, as it's a reminder of where you've come from/what you've already achieved.

StuntNun - hope the test goes well.

BIWI Sun 13-Oct-13 08:09:02

Off for my run. it's chucking it down sad

googoogoggles Sun 13-Oct-13 08:17:38

Glad you found hamster lily!!!
My eldest had egg allergy stuntnun and grew out of it, so hope will be the same for your little one.
Think BIWI is running in London 10K today (?) - hope it went well or good luck if you're on-line!!!!
Yes, let's post meals again when we can.. Think does help.
Had Japanese meal out as I said. No rice but did hv chicken in teriyaki sauce which was probably way too sugary. Dipped all the salady bits in it - 'twas so good. Also ate a bag of nuts I took to the cinema as everyone else had popcorn etc and had a G&T in pub
Interestingly I felt really zapped of energy yesterday, almost like carb flu. (Bit depressing if that's all it took to affect me....)
Anyway, yesterday was
B/L. Black farmer sausages (3), eggs, mushrooms in butter
D beef stew with cauli rice and spring greens in butter
(I did thicken the stew with a bit of cornflour and bunged in some tiny carrots that needed using up - and there was an onion or two but am hoping one portion (ie 1/4 tablespoon flour etc) would have been okay!
I also finished the nuts .... Think it would be better not to buy any nxt week as think I could sabotage myself too easily...
Hope everyone is doing okay!

sybilfaulty Sun 13-Oct-13 08:30:00

Goodasitgets, those are great pictures. Well done.

BIWI, enjoy the run. How has the first week in the new job been?

I have had a trying week. Too much stress and too much wine. Yesterday was quiet, but today we are out for lunch at friends, so God knows what I'll be given to eat. I am definitely slimmer, even though my weight is still not moving much and still 9lb over my slimmest last summer. There are 5 weeks of BC left so perhaps I can make a dent in it before then. My son is 5 on 1st December and it would be really nice to wear something to show it all off at his party. Perhaps I should dry to go dry for November.

Sympathies to all who are struggling with the WOE / RL or indeed both. I know some posters are in a very difficult place right now. I hope we don't lose people to WW / SW as the thought of all the fake food saddens me. I also hope that everyone will feel free to moan as much as they need so that the wise crew can offer their support and advice.

Have a lovely Sunday, y'all

googoogoggles Sun 13-Oct-13 08:33:52

Cross-posted back there....

Just managed to open yr photos asgood - you look fab and love the dress!

BIWI I think it IS the big day of the 10K race isn't it - GOOD LUCK! ("off for my run" - very modest)

Sybil I hope there is some low-carb chances at lunch. (If not just savour the food and then hop back on the wagon!)

googoogoggles Sun 13-Oct-13 10:28:10

sybil – agree, it's so hard trying to cut down on the demon drink after a stressful day/week. I've been really trying to cut down on the booze this time round – not always successfully. Don't think I could go totally dry in November (got a couple of big social do's) but I am going carry on with no booze at home/ordinary nights so we could encourage each other?

Beryl don't think you got a reply about tummy tuck ops way back on thread. Possibly because none of us have a clue. BUT sometimes I daydream that if I had the money and the courage.... (post babies/overweight stomach sag here!)
And what about bloody bingo wings? I'm trying to do exercises with resistance bands and am just about to head off to the gym (with some reluctance as it's sheeting down here but at least I won't be in the rain like BIWI – probably running as I type)
Anyone found anything that works?!
Today's food (pretty much the same as yesterday!)
B/L Eggs/bacon/mushrooms
D Leftover beef stew with cauli rice/greens
MUST drink more water....

toomuchicecream Sun 13-Oct-13 10:29:45

Morning all. Last night was my first real fall-off with an evening of carby twatishness. Hosted an Oktoberfest party so lots of lovely German food and beer. Now the beer isn't a problem for me as I've always been happy to drink a pint of water so I consumed several of them and didn't feel in the least bit deprived. Where I fell down was the lovely Brezels from the German baker - first bread in 5 weeks so I made sure it was good bread and I had it with plenty of butter (not sure that that helped really). And even harder, the cheesecake and Black Forest Gateaux I had spent the day making (and licking the bowls from). So straight back on the wagon today - apart from the cheese cake I accidently ate for breakfast.

Anyway - straight back on the wagon and ignoring all the left over food in the fridge - think DH and I will both be taking lots of cake to work tomorrow for other people... Oh well - onwards and upwards. A shame as I'd made it to 3 pounds off this week by yesterday morning. Think I'll be showing a gain by tomorrow.

NigellasGuest Sun 13-Oct-13 10:40:34

Hello all! I've been spending too much time on Style and Beauty and have neglected our LC thread, but have still been LC-ing and doing well. I decided to pop back and it seems to have gone a bit weird!

I haven't been away because it's become tricky here - more because I've felt the lure of S&B and that can only be because I'm feeling slimmer. I am seeing a 9 on the scales.... hooray!

I've started shredding again too, which is definitely helping. I was relying on the convenient theory that exercise accounts for a much smaller proportion of weightloss than we are led to believe, but in actual fact, doing the shred seems to make a HUGE difference to my weightloss/inchloss/whateverloss. However, I am able to exercise in a fasted state and continue the fast afterwards - it doesn't affect my hunger. Newbies please ignore that bit....

off to read back the last few pages of this thread now.

sybilfaulty Sun 13-Oct-13 10:49:11

Toomuch, that food sounds gorgeous! I love bread (still) and look on wonderful bread as a real treat. Germans also worship at the altar of the pig, as do I. My office mate is LC as well and we have 2 days a week when we swap pork products and savour the wonderful flavour. Her DH is veg so no pork at home but plenty in our office!

Beryl - one of my best friends had a tummy tuck. In fact she has had 2, come to think of it. First was about a year post her DS2,to combat the awful C section overhang, She then, er, put on some weight shock and had another one this summer. Lipo got rid of the fat then she had the tuck. It's big surgery (about 4 hours of GA) and the scars are large. She has one going all the way round the front from side to side (where the tuck is). it's low (in hip hugger knickers) but visible. You also get a new tummy button. You know how you scar so that's worth bearing in mind. My CS scar from DS (nearly 5) is still visible, though in my pants and I am used to it now so I don't care but a TT scar would not be great as I don't mend with faint white lines like others. TT cost about 6k a time. It has made her much happier and more confident though so it is worth it for her. I'll stick with my pork products, swimming and sit ups though. If you have any more questions please do ask (or PM me) as she's very up for chatting about it and so I can find out what you need to know if you are seriously considering it.

BIWI, you gorgeous person, if today is the big day, GOOD LUCK! Am thinking of you and running in spirit. A wonderful cause. Have a glass of champagne at the end once you have recovered.

Lunch could be a challenge. What if it's pasta? Lots of carbs make me rather windy so let's hope for some LC food. Googoo, I would love to do a drier November with you. I have some social things already in the diary and can't promise total sobriety either, but will endeavour to stay off the random wine because it's Tuesday and Im stressed etc.

Have a good Sunday.

sybilfaulty Sun 13-Oct-13 10:51:05

A 9 is fantastic, Nigella. Well done!

NigellasGuest Sun 13-Oct-13 11:02:17

Thanks Sybil... and BIWI if it's the run today GOOD LUCK!!!!

whodunnit Sun 13-Oct-13 12:22:52

Hello all

I have been lurkign a lot this week but not really posting, as I haven't had much to add to the debate. But I am losing weight and shrinking a little bit. I didn't like to post that as some people are obviously struggling greatly, and it must be awful. I am sure I will be htere at some point as I am starting to cheat ever so slightly and there will come a point when it will come to bite me ont he bum.. But at present it is still working. My cheats include no sugar butterscotch sweets and polos (very good and effective laxative - feels like a treat after my limited pooing in the past few weeks). I have also discovered something called Lizi's granola which has 19.1g carb per 40g packet, and states it is slow-release low GI with an equivalent glucose eating content of 5g.

I am struggling to get enough fresh ingredients as I live in the arse end of nowhere, have no car and am 2 miles from the shops which have very limited veg available. Would out myself if I gave more details but there is no big tesco to deliver and it is down to tinternet and crappy local shops.

So I am really allowing myself snacks of a non-permitted nature whihc is not weaning me off the snacking, but replacing it with low carb false snacks. Which is not sustainable in the long term.

hmmmm.... thoughts on the low GI and low sugar products long-term, anyone? I can't be the only one who has moved along this road.

Pleaseandthankyou Sun 13-Oct-13 13:59:38

oh don't let this thread die. I don't really post but I lurk. have stayed the same over the last few weeks but feels like as a loss as I haven't been well and on a cocktail of drugs. I'm currently wearing a designer tshirt I bought years ago (in a bargain bucket sale) and have never worn as it was too clingy. It's still clingy but definitely a sleeker look. I have reached a normal bmi but probably could lose another stone. Keep posting as I'm a bit miserable at the moment and you are keeping me off the chocolate. I really don't mind if it takes me 6 months to lose the next stone but that is probably because I am happy with the way I look now, especially compared to what I have looked like over the last few years

BIWI Sun 13-Oct-13 14:17:38

Done it!

It was 5K - not quite ready to tackle 10K quite yet! - but bloomin' cold and chucking it down. Had a lovely hot bath when I got home and have put the heating on.

But more importantly I have raised over £700 for Woolly Hugs grin

bigkidsdidit Sun 13-Oct-13 15:17:37

Well done BIWI!

I'm ignoring any bun fights as do not have the emtional energy to spare, frankly, but happy to post my meals. Yesterday I had

B an avocado and three coffees with milk
L meat loaf from the paleo cookbook but with a whole bag of spinach in the mix, with broccoli and swede mashed with butter and black pepper
D blue cheese omelette and salad.
S a small 85% cocoa chocolate bar.

I realise the chocolate is bad and the coffees not ideal but I'm very pleased I limited myself to that. DS2 is goig through the four month sleep regression and waking every two hours and ds1 wakes at 5.30. Also he's potty training and currently pooing in his pants every bloody day. Which is exactly what I wnt to deal with on such broken sleep, obviously. So he coffees are necessary! And the chocolate perked me up when I was weeping blush

whodunnit low GI I am not really that convinced by tbh. As a diabetic it was one of the ways of eating recommended to me, but I found it didn't particularly help with my blood sugars in the long run. Obviously eating something like porridge is better. Than a bowl of straight sugar, but some other things supposedly low GI spiked my blood sugars and afte reading around it I am not convinced by the science behind it (a bit like the all calories are equal science). I know that if I eat crackers with butter that slows the sugar spike than if I eat therm without, but that doesn't seem to factor at all in low GI/GL books that I could see.

As to low sugar products, I do eat them sometimes. Because I am diabetic for me the sugar spike I would get, followed by the low, I believe would have worse effects on my body than the small amount of artificial stuff in them. Having said that. DH who is not diabetic would go the other way, and allow himself a small amount of something 'proper' and more natural than a load of artificial crap because he knows his body can deal with it better if that makes sense. I also know that one of those sugar free sweets every now and again will keep me on the straight and narrow mentally!

Bootcamp ideally is cutting out artificial products and moving to a way of eating where we eat more natural unprocessed foods. Ideally therefore we shouldn't have either, but I also think everyone had to find their own path in the long term for eating in a way they and their lifestyle can tolerate. I would aims town avoid completely if bootcamping to lose weight, and to break the sweerpt sugar addiction, and then decide long term how I wanted to play it! These are of course just my ramblings you understand, not an answer of many kind!!!!!

whodunnit Sun 13-Oct-13 15:44:57

well done to you bigkids for onlyhaving chocolate and coffee. I had forgotten how hard it is when they are little. You are doing very well for only having those little treats.

And BIWI - well done to you, superwoman. Is this the same BIWI who is about ot or has just started a new job involving travel to marakesh? How do you find time to wield your big stick over us? We are very glad you do !

BIWI well done!! Amazing achievement

Checking in - we went to the MN preview of Cloudy 2 which was fab.

B - bacon eggs and mushrooms
L - cauliflower and cheese soup
D - pulled pork in slow cooker with loads of veg and roast pots for those who eat them

I am doing no alcohol November if anyone else wants to join me. DH and I do it for many reasons which I won't bore you with but its good to detox before Xmas frivolities hit us

Well done BiWi! £700 is fantastic, you're a very good person aren't you?

Went out for dinner last night, to fecking Pizza Express! Low carb nightmare! But had a lovely chicken and pancetta salad with added goat cheese and left the lovely smelling dough sticks to DH. Had one glass (albeit large) of wine and an espresso. I felt very virtuous.

I'm hopeful for tomorrow, I have a good feeling. Hopefully lots of you can shou. A great big 'I TOLD YOU SO!' and I won't mind a tiny little bit.

As I understand it the 'low carb' claims on bread, pasta etc are bad science. Tests have shown that they have exactly the same effect on blood sugar as the standard variety. DB is diabetic and took part. In a controlled experiment debunking hem. I think the results are mentioned on Fooddoctor.com (or net or co.uk!). But you're losing weight, so maybe you can tolerate them.

Also, as I was one of the prime moaners last week, I feel obliged to point out that I am nothing but grilled to hear of the successes of others. Although I may feel envious, it is motivating and I have a tendency towards feeling warm and fuzzy at the good news of others smile

OhCobblers Sun 13-Oct-13 16:42:50

BIWI I was following Bootcamp light from June and then Bootcamp from Sep. I have only drunk alcohol on the days mentioned in the previous post. I have been drinking at least 2.5 litres a day but for me that is a struggle to maintain but I do do it, just mentioning that it's hard for me.

My period throws me for days as I am very bloated for about a week. But I have been basically fluctuating between 11.3 stone and 10.10 since June. I started übercamp for 3 day from Wed and am down 3lbs (ie, 11st). On good days my trousers are a little baggy but i really expected to have lost more in over 4 months. I'm cutting back on the dairy for longer but not sure how to progress from here. Am rather disheartened to tell the truth. Like others have mentioned I have lost more weight in less time by calorie counting and I did keep it off. My current weight gain has taken 2 years just because of sheer indulgence!!

Frenchfemme Sun 13-Oct-13 16:46:59

Brilliant photos goodasitgets - great results and a real inspiration.
I'm not sure how I dare show my face on here at the moment as I've fallen so far off the waggon that I can only just see it in the distance! No real excuse, apart from a stressful time trying to introduce a new rescue dog to my nervous young dog and 5 cats. I was told the dog likes cats - didn't realise they meant for his dinner! More wine than is sensible has been deployed. I am determined not to give up though, as when I stick to the rules I feel so much better.
Great run BIWI and well done on raising so much money. Hope you're warm and dry now.
I will try posting my food for a few days from tomorrow, and hope to get even more inspiration from seeing how others are doing.

timidviper Sun 13-Oct-13 16:49:34

Well done BIWI, great achievement.

I've been fairly crap this weekend but am quite laid back about it. I have learned to just get back on the wagon at the earliest opportunity and not regret it, as that way I never feel deprived. I have expounded my theory before that you can undertake anything like a car journey, motorway (straight there, no breaks or detours, not much fun but arrive quickly) or the scenic route (can have breaks or detours, takes longer but journey more enjoyable) and I am definitely taking a scenic route!

MrsHP I do agree with you that we are aiming at breaking our sweet addiction and eating wholesome food but I do sometimes have a small amount of sugar free sweets or chocolate as a treat. I am fortunate that we have a local Old-Fashioned Sweetshop which has a big sf section so my theory is, if I am going to cheat and have something sweet, I might as well do it with as few carbs as possible! The threat of an explosive bum if you overindulge helps too! grin Having said that I can't believe how little I crave sweet foods now to how I used to.

BIWI Sun 13-Oct-13 17:58:01

whodunnit - I'm not sure about GI but only because I find it too bloody complicated!

Re the low carb 'fake' food - ultimately it's up to you. If they help, then that's great. The only thing to bear in mind is that artificial sweeteners can impact on weight loss. But if you continue to lose, then you'll know that they aren't a problem for you. I prefer to avoid artificial things as much as I can, but it isn't always possible especially when I'm drinking gin and slimline tonic

ohcobblers - you know the drill grin list out your meals/drinks over the last few days and let's see if there's anything we can help you with

And I'm totally ignoring any reference to alcohol-free months.

OhCobblers Sun 13-Oct-13 18:10:34

Breakfast : scrambled eggs /mushrooms cooked in butter
Lunch : tuna mayo with green salad OR egg mayo (can't remember which)
Dinner : grilled chicken with courgettes and aubergines.

Breakfast as above
Lunch as above
Dinner lamb fillet with kale and courgette

No breakfast
Lunch ham and eggs
Steak with salad and bearnais sauce

Rest of week übercamp menu and no booze plus between 2-3 litres of water a day. It's been pretty much like this menu wise the last few months and even when I have drunk how can it stall weight loss so much?
Snacking has been olives with almonds or plain olives, chunks of chorizo, salami. When I was eating dairy then chunks of cheddar.

BIWI Sun 13-Oct-13 18:24:54

Well my first thought would be that you're not eating much fat - although obviously it's difficult to say from what you've posted. But all of your protein is lean protein, and if you're grilling things then there will be even less fat.

The reason that alcohol stalls weight loss is that your body uses that as its first source of fuel. So when you're drinking, rather than burn fat your body is burning the alcohol.

Are you on any medication? Are you sleeping well? And are you under any particular stress?

OhCobblers Sun 13-Oct-13 18:28:55

Would only a few booze filled nights cause such a yo yo effect on the weight?
I cook in butter all the time oh I forgot to mention I also eat pork scratchings a lot!!!
Sleep is fine
No meds just painkillers when required and yes sometimes stressed but I'm sure no more than the next person.

BIWI Sun 13-Oct-13 19:36:31

You aren't on the spreadsheet, so I don't know how much you weigh. How much do you have to/want to lose?

And just frying in butter may not be enough. You could need to eat fattier protein.

It's difficult to say about the alcohol, but it's worth bearing in mind that every time you drink you are stopping the fat burning.

OhCobblers Sun 13-Oct-13 19:47:11

Sorry also forgot that I eat pork and mushrooms cooked in butter with creme fraiche quite a lot (lunches and dinner)so perhaps need to eat other protein cooked in a similar way? Certainly feels and tastes a fattier meal.

I only entered on week one of the spreadsheet but think I was 11 stone (152lbs) but need to lose 1 and a half stone.

BIWI Sun 13-Oct-13 19:52:09

How tall are you?

BIWI Sun 13-Oct-13 19:53:34

For all those of you who are/believe you are really stuck. If you genuinely, genuinely, genuinely (are you sure? grin) following Bootcamp rules to the letter, then you might want to consider the Fat Fast. This is something devised by Atkins. (If you have the Atkins book it's worth reading up about it.)

here is a good post about it

Personally I think it sounds dreadful, but if it helps you ...

OhCobblers Sun 13-Oct-13 19:54:34

Thanks BIWI

BIWI Sun 13-Oct-13 19:58:55

OK, so your desired weight loss seems reasonable. I'd definitely look to increase your fat - either by using fattier meats or making sure that you cook with more fat and add more fat to your meals. And make sure that you're drinking enough water.

What about your portion sizes? Are you eating a lot? Or - are you keeping your portions too small, perhaps?

The other thing to consider is the dairy - I know you've been doing ubercamp on some days. Do you keep a food diary? I wonder if it's worth making note of your weight day-by-day to see if dairy is an issue for you?

OhCobblers Sun 13-Oct-13 20:05:29

Fattier meats? So more pork, bacon? Mayo with lots of things? Have already decided to ditch the cheese and Greek yoghurt to see if that helps. So I will fry whatever I have for dinner in butter (rather than roasting or grilling) and with my usual green veg and salad. Eat pork scratchings (!) for snacks. Is there anything obvious I should just try and eat more of which would help? 3 litres of water a day without fail!

OhCobblers Sun 13-Oct-13 20:06:50

By the way, fat fast looks horrific!!

Ohcobblers which pork scratchings are you eating? Only because I grabbed a different brand the other week and it had loads of additives including rusk and potato starch confused

BIWI Sun 13-Oct-13 20:47:09

Yes, I think fat fast looks awful!

If you're eating pork, go for pork belly
If you're eating chicken, go for thighs (or a roast, but make sure you eat the skin)
If you're eating beef, go for full fat mince or stewing steak

Cook with fat (coconut oil is brilliant for frying), add butter to your veg and make an oily dressing for your salads.

And if dairy isn't a problem for you, then snack on cheese (assuming that you're hungry of course - no need to snack if you aren't)

BIWI Sun 13-Oct-13 20:47:26

... and creamy sauces too

Bigkids I'm sorry that both your children are at such exhausting ages!

and well done for the run and the £700 raised BIWI.

B - scrambled egg, lettuce, cucumber and oily dressing
L - tuna mayo and cheese salad
D - Spinach and Feta "pie" , cauliflower and salad
S - a handful of nuts

DH came home from his sister's having stayed the night, and said his sister had picked an argument with him about my WOE! Along the lines of, "tell her to stop, its really bad for you". I was very impressed to hear that DH's response was "I can't tell Lily what to do!" (Wins New Man award of the week). He also did try to defend the WOE with some half-remembered factoids from me. And said - "how can it be bad! Lily looks fantastic" (another award). Really amazing that eating low carb high fat really does have entrenched strong reactions from so many people. (I can see I will have a fun SIL encounter ahead too...)

prettybird Sun 13-Oct-13 21:50:16

Had a brilliant time in France last weekend and only put on two pounds but haven't yet got round to updating the spreadsheet.blush

Managed to stay pretty much on Boot Camp barring a pain au chocolat or two and a tarte aux pommes except for alcohol until the wedding meal on Saturday night smileblush. The cremant de Bourgogne on tap might have had something to do with that wink.

I did however cycle about 110 miles including 100km in one day (having cycled the sum total of 8 miles in the previous month and about 30 miles in total in the last 6 months shock) so I am pretty impressed with myself grin. Dh did take the strain at the front all the way (I learnt at some Ladies' coaching sessions in the winter how to cycle within a wheel's length of another cyclist which dramatically reduces effort although doesn't stop your bum hurting wink) - but I had to take the panniers (although they weren't too heavy on the day trips) grin

StuntNun Sun 13-Oct-13 22:24:39

I had a random craving for a curry chips today so tried to compromise with roast duck in curry sauce from the local Chinese takeaway. blush I'm sure the curry sauce was a bit carby but it satisfied the craving without being quite so disastrous as the chips would have been. The scales will tell all tomorrow. Anyway apart from the duck curry debacle I have had:

B: four strawberries, double cream and Greek yoghurt
L: bacon, celery sticks and Philadelphia (random lunch I know!)
S: ten almonds
D: roast chicken with carb free gravy, one small spud, one mini Yorkshire pud, courgettes fried in butter and steamed broccoli

OhCobblers Sun 13-Oct-13 23:00:18

Just mostly I've bought Mr Porky but when I buy others always check the carb content. Which ones should be avoided? Thanks

halfthesize Sun 13-Oct-13 23:28:49

Well done BIWI on your run

timidviper Mon 14-Oct-13 00:03:48

Cobblers Tyrrell's pork scratchings are nice and are 1.4g carbs in a 50g pack

BIWI Mon 14-Oct-13 07:30:09
GLBD Wed 28-May-14 22:03:11

Only joined mumsnet yesterday in order to read posts re The Harcombe Diet. On day 11 and keeping on phase 1 for several weeks as I have a lot of weight to lose. Reading the book I notice I'm to eat puffed rice cereal for breakfast and rice pasta for lunch. Not a clue what either is or where to buy said products. Any ideas anyone??

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