Week 4 - Autumn Low Carb Bootcamp - Focus, Focus, Focus!

(198 Posts)
BIWI Mon 30-Sep-13 07:18:49

Fingers crossed for some good results this morning!

The Spreadsheet of Fabulousness

Don't forget that it's still very common for people to experience little or no loss by week 4. If this is happening to you, and you know that you haven't cheated, then don't panic. Just keep on keeping on, and by next week (hopefully!) you will be rewarded with a loss.

The losses from that point are likely to be in the region of 1-2lbs a week (may be more if you have a lot to lose), but that will all be fat. And although I know it doesn't sound a lot, just visualise it. 2lbs is 4 packs of lard, which is a lot of fat!

If you've moved on to Bootcamp Light, make sure you're keeping an eye on how many carbs you're eating, and don't get carried away with the nuts and fruit or the alcohol.

Here's to a good week!

SteppingOnLego Mon 30-Sep-13 07:28:20

No loss this week, I've stayed exactly the same as last week sad

Might be due to the ridiculous amount of exercise this weekend. My muscles feel swollen - but I don't know if that's really possible. The beer on Saturday may have had a bearing on it too I suppose.

Planning to stick to proper bootcamp this week and do bootcamp light at the weekend. I have a wedding to go to so it would be rude not to have just one drink! Might try to make a better choice than lager though.

Marking place

Lifeisontheup Mon 30-Sep-13 07:36:51

I've stayed the same this week but I was expecting this as I've been out twice and slipped from the path of righteousness. I'm going racing today and staying in a nice hotel so back on bootcamp tomorrow with lots of water. Think that has been my downfall this week. Still feel smaller though and fit into things which were tight.

Purple2012 Mon 30-Sep-13 07:39:22

Only 0.4lb off this week. Gutted. Hope everyone else gets a better loss.

bigkidsdidit Mon 30-Sep-13 07:40:16


Willie could you add me back to the spreadsheet? I have my laptop now so can add all my weights in.

I've lost 1 lb, not bad as I had four glasses of wine this weekend smile

BIWI Mon 30-Sep-13 07:43:29

Oi! Purple! Did you not read my OP?!

You have still lost - and you don't have much to lose anyway!

Purple2012 Mon 30-Sep-13 07:57:55

Sorry biwi I know I know!

I need to get over my obsession with the scales. I am getting a training program that is for fat burning and toning. I should get that in the next few days. I will measure myself the day I start and then again when I feel I have lost some. I will still weigh in for boot camp but after that I will try to avoid the scales. They can ruin my day .

StuntNun Mon 30-Sep-13 07:58:35

Another 2 lb off this week so only 5 lb to go before I reach my target pre-pregnancy weight. I joined towards the end of the last Bootcamp though so I've been LCing for 15 weeks now. I definitely couldn't have done it without BIWI to keep me on the straight and narrow and scold me when I'm naughty, and Willie's amazing spreadsheet to keep track for me.

BIWI Mon 30-Sep-13 08:05:42

Great going, StuntNun!

Purple - measurements/clothes are definitely better. Your programme sounds interesting - what's involved?

HighJinx Mon 30-Sep-13 08:06:18

I lost a pound this week which is a bit disappointing as this morning is the heaviest I have been for days.

Off for a slow shuffle run in the park this morning.

Cherrypi Mon 30-Sep-13 08:07:02

Pound on but been cheating this weekend. I didn't even enjoy some of the cheat food just couldn't be bothered to cook something different for me. Back on track today though.

BIWI please please help me. I haven't cheated at all, still following full bootcamp except for 2 glasses of wine on Friday night. I have gained 4lb this week. What am I doing wrong? I am gutted sad sad

Purple2012 Mon 30-Sep-13 08:18:55

I don't know yet biwi the lady I am using is going to devise a months worth of sessions at 5 sessions a week. It will be designed to tone all the flabby bits and strengthen too. It will be using kettlebells and dumbells. It costs quite a bit but it will hopefully be worth it. Happy to share it if anyone needs help with toning.

I should get it in a few days. She says it will take a few days to devise it and she comes highly recommended so fingers crossed.

I have really eased back on the exercise as I was afraid of putting weight on but now I know I won't be reaching my holiday goal I can get back to my normal exercise.

I do need to stop worrying about the scales. Even though I haven't lost much over the last few weeks im stikk getting lots of comments about how much I've lost so I know my body shape is changing.

captainmummy Mon 30-Sep-13 08:31:42

Purle don't forget that when you exercise you may put on weight - the muscle need water or something...
MsIng - list out your food, lets have a look. Quantities as well if poss.
SteppingonLego - lager/beer are the very worst things you can go for in the pub! Beer Bellys are a real thing you know! Wine/spirits are better.

BIWI Mon 30-Sep-13 08:31:55

MsIngaFewmarbles - it could be anything! Are you coming up to your period?

It's possible it's just part of the weeks 3-4 adjustment process.

But list out for me your meals/drinks over the last few days and let's see if there's anything we can help with.

sybilfaulty Mon 30-Sep-13 08:32:02

Well done to all the losers.

I have STS this week, to the same quarter of a lb. Funny. Been great o the food though have had a bit of wine. There is only one social event this week (thursday) seeing the last standing Bee Gee in concert, so I should be able to cut right back on the the old vino for the rest of the weekend.

As I work Tues, Wed, Thurs, I feel like THursday is my friday and often go out then. Not with gallons of wine, but hey. This week I am going to try to steer clear. That makes me seem like a terrible old boozer, which I am really not, but I do like a glass or two on Fridays and Saturdays.

Thanks for the new thread BIWI.

MrsSnuffleupagus Mon 30-Sep-13 08:54:03

Just marking my place, 1lb down this week. I'll be back later for a proper catch up.

Oh and BIWI thanks we all love you here, ignore all the carby twats that are putting you down, they're not important smile

Sts and clothes feel tightest too sad I know it's to be expected, but I can't help but feel a bit meh.

I had kind of started, although not properly, a couple of weeks before bootcamp, so I thought I'd avoided the 3-4 week stall. I am trying to remember 8 lbs off in total, which is good & that I don't feel hungry. Unfortunately I had a hard day and a shit meal at the twatty in laws, and along with some husband ishoos and extreme tiredness I'm in a very miserable place. Mil of course thinks a nice minting value trifle would sort me out. FFS, how about we talk about your son being a bit of a nob???!!!

Anyway, keep on keeping on.

Struggling to keep fat intake up as opposed to protein. Seem to only manage by using cream and worried that dairy will stall me/

NewStartNewStory Mon 30-Sep-13 09:01:54

I refuse to stand on the scales this morning. bad night with ds last night and i don't need that pressure. Lots of compliments yesterday from people who haven't seen me in a few months, and a couple of new outfits in a smaller size are what i am focusing on.

For those who are struggling, hang in there. Weeks 3, 4 and 5 can be frustrating. Be patient and keep going. It will be rewarded.

Keep drinking that water. Onwards and downwards.

Frenchfemme Mon 30-Sep-13 09:11:26

I am just slinking in to report a 1.9 kilo gain. I am very disappointed with myself as I had a bad eating (and wine drinking) week last week, with no real excuse except making the most of the weather and a last visit to a couple of cafe/restaurants which are closing today for the off-season. At least I know where the damage came from. Back boot-campingtoday with renewed zeal. Very many thanks to BIWI and others for the unstinting effort and support, it would be much more difficult without you and you really are helping me make the changes I need to.

CrabbyBigBottom Mon 30-Sep-13 09:25:42

Oh dear what a weekend of carby twatdom! hmm

It all slid downhill at speed after I posted on Saturday. There were gallons of wine to wash down the roast potatoes, and port too. Then the hangover yesterday suppressed my willpower entirely and I was a complete carby twat all day. The dispiriting thing is that none of it was particularly nice (bread - stodgy, milky coffee - tasteless and bland, cake - sickly sweet). The only things that were worth it were the Maids of Honour tarts I bought in Kew on the journey home.

My penance... 2lbs on this morning having lost a lb earlier this week, so overall a lb gain this week. sad

Lessons learned...
It's very difficult to stick to this WOE when you're a guest in someone's home.
It makes you realise what huge amounts of carbs most people consume daily!
Having a hangover wipes out all of my willpower and good intentions.

Onwards and downwards, Campers, and flowers for all the losers.

CrabbyBigBottom Mon 30-Sep-13 09:29:30

On a positive note, though, I bought some M&S size 12 trousers during the last bootcamp in a charity shop. I could just shoehorn myself into them and thought I'd buy them in anticipation of being able to fit into them in the future. On Saturday I found them in the drawer and they fit me perfectly. smile I think they're a generous size 12 tbh but hey, I'm happy with that!

BIWI Mon 30-Sep-13 09:30:21

ohfuck - what about salad dressing made with olive oil? Frying with butter and/or adding butter to your veg?

MotherOfSoupDragon Mon 30-Sep-13 09:44:34

A weight gain of 1 lb for me but lost half an inch on my waist. I have been having a lot of creamy or cheesy dishes and had a drink on Saturday and Sunday due to a child free day and then feeling quite down yesterday hmm

Will try harder.

hazchem Mon 30-Sep-13 09:48:54

Feeling good about today after having several carbby twat days.
B) Chicken and egg
L) cheese boiled egg and avocado
s) lamb
D) Veggie curry, lamb and yoghurt.

Lavenderhoney Mon 30-Sep-13 09:51:57

Arghh! Forgot to weigh myself! Got up too early and drank coffee before remembering its weighing day! Ill do it tomorrow, hope that's ok?

Well done all the losers! And BIWI, thanks for this thread and you are not a bully, from what I have seen of your postssmile thanks

AmayaBuzzbee Mon 30-Sep-13 09:52:40

0.4lb gain for me (only), which I am quite pleased about! smile

It is TOTM, and normally I am easily around 2-3lb up from my usual weight at this time. This should hopefully mean that I will see a nice drop on the scales in a few days time, yay!

Mayonnaise is another good way of getting fat in, Ohfuck.

I'm 0.4 lb down (but I know that last Thursday I was about 1.5lb lower, so I think I am on the way down, in a fluctuating sort of way, and this Monday caught a higher fluctuation.)

I'm 3lb down over 3 weeks so I fit the 1lb off a week estimation. Its all good! Please feel proud of your not-necessarily-large losses. This is the right sort of fat that is disappearing from your body, this WOE reduces the "visceral" internal tummy and back fat and that's the worst sort of fat for your health.

My resolution today is to check I'm drinking enough water. I don't think about that so much at the weekends

A gain for me. Not surprising as have been a carby twat since Thursday.

I have decided to drop out of bootcamp. I think it's making me all or nothing with regard to eating. And I miss pulses etc. Am struggling to want the food I'm allowed. So I'm going back to what I did a few years ago which is basically no crap carbs. No wheat or sugar. I find bootcamp ok in summer but struggle otherwise. I know it will be slower weight loss but I also know it works for me.

BIWI and Wille - huge thanks for all advice and behind the scenes work. You are both fab.

And good luck to you all. I'll keep popping into see how you are going!

keeponkeepinon Mon 30-Sep-13 10:15:34

Hello all! I just found this challenge yesterday and I have been following low carb since 4th September, lost 5lb then have lost focus at the weekends (wine and susbsequent carb snaffling) but wondered if I might join the path back to happiness with you all? Starting today I am doing the strict bootcamp - perfect timing as we don't have social events (wine) coming up over next couple of weeks. My numbers:
wed sept 4th: 175lb
sep 9th: 173.6
sep 16th: 171.6
sep 23rd: 171.8
sep 30th: 171.8
So you can see how the loss has slowed and I know this is because I really lost focus after a big night out. I'm back on it, and I would love to join in if you'll let me?
Cheers all

BIWI Mon 30-Sep-13 10:22:11

Bye Buda - and good luck. I hope it works for you flowers

Thanks BIWI. thanks back at ya! I'll still see you on the C25k threads.

CrabbyBigBottom Mon 30-Sep-13 11:37:18

<<grabs Cider by the ankle and hangs on in attempt to prevent her leaving!>>

Will you at least come back and say hello? grin

starrystarryknut Mon 30-Sep-13 11:51:35

Down 1lb. Doesn't seem like much but I'll trust BIWI that this is actually as it should be. I haven't cheated at all and have lost 10lb in 3 weeks, so overall I feel like an advertisement for proving THIS WORKS! Take heart bootcampers - let's stick at it smile

emblosion Mon 30-Sep-13 11:59:03

Forgot to weigh self this morning, so will do it tomorrow. Carby twat day yesterday as was at inlaws for lunch and then had a couple of g&t's. Back on the wagon today tho.

Was wondering about ubercamp for a couple of days to try and break myself of my cheese habit....

timidviper Mon 30-Sep-13 12:08:26

Hi all, I am starting (again) today properly having just come back from my holidays. Weighed this morning and, although I have put on a few pounds while away (totally earned every one of them!), I am still 2 and a 1/2stone below this time last year. Having said that after a week of eating and drinking as a total carby twat I feel sluggish, irritable and blobby so am irrationally looking forward to eating sensibly again.

I've noticed while away that my tastebuds have changed, I no longer enjoy the sugary shit that I have craved for years, I ate a Cornetto on holiday and it was really average, I will no longer want to eat crappy ice creams having had that one. Now I just have to sort my head out as I also noticed that I still want to eat when I know I don't really need to eat, my taste buds need to tell my brain that I don't want that stuff any more!

I'm sure you have all realised this by now but, although it is tempting to look at the scales regularly and stress about the loss or lack of it, this really is a life-changing healthy way to eat and we all need to look at this long term. If I had done this short term like WW and SW I'd have given up by now as I have often had unexplained stalls or gains but looking longer term has led to 2 + 1/2 stone off. Whoopee!

Twit Mon 30-Sep-13 12:08:36

Hi all, am finally feeling ok again now smile.
Am beginning bootcamp again, as over the weekend DH cooked so I could rest up a bit and I allowed myself to relax a little bit ( not too much and nothing really baad mind).
I might come on here and list my food every day if that's ok with you all as I'm not sure I'm doing it right, although I now have my period to figure in to this, as before when I first did this bootcamp I hadn't had them back after babyTwit and I seemed to lose weight. How much if at all does it affect this woe? I've noticed a few mentions of it affecting people so am wondering how and why? I do have a major carby binge the weekend before it comes (not now obv wink) but it is this weekend and I wondered if there is anything I can do to keep my face out of the chocolate.

My goal is to comfortably wear my red skinnies at Christmas, they are about 1.5-2 inches from closing blush, is this doable do you reckon, or should I aim for something else? Originally I wanted to lose about a stone, but will go with the jeans if that's doable?
I really need a big stick as am feeling a bit down and I know what I would normally do to cheer myself up and help de-stress, but I am not doing that (and I feel like shit after anyway)
Sorry to be a memememe moany pants. sad

How about aiming for wearing something really glam and great at the christmas party Twit - it might be the red skinnies, it might be something else you haven't bought yet? Looking-fab-at-Christmas is definitely one of my motivations!

I'm really struck by people posting that the carbs they ate were really average and not worth it and now they feel sluggish/irritable. Its helpful in continuing to decide not to eat them. On energy levels: I've been noticing how I'm quite happy to run up and down the stairs to get things I've forgotten etc, in the past I used to find this a big deal. (Just about to move to a bungalow thus removing the whole issue anyway!)

timidviper Mon 30-Sep-13 12:34:29

Twit I read in a magazine recently that people who set themselves harder targets achieve more than those who set lower targets so the advice given to dieters to set easily achievable goals may not be right so I would say set those skinnies as a goal!

Back in the days when I had a challenging career I used to say to my team "If we aim for 100% and get 95 we've not hit the target but have still done brilliantly. If we aim at 80 and get it we have hit the target but haven't achieved everything we might have done" and I guess this is the same idea.

BIWIZ Mon 30-Sep-13 12:35:49

Twit - feel free to be 'me me me'! That's what these threads are all about!

Sorry you're not feeling great.

Re the periods, often the reason why you put a bit of weight back on is to do with fluid retention. You may also feel more bloated. Once that's gone, I'm sure your jeans will nearer closing!

Do you/can you do any exercise? That can often help with the whole period stuff, and would also be a useful distraction from the chocolate/biscuit tin grin

And Lily's idea is a good one!

Great post timid.

Maryz Mon 30-Sep-13 12:37:07

Right, I've just had the courage to weigh myself, having completed the first two weeks.

I can only weigh in kilos and translate, so I started on September 16th at 89.9 kilos (198 lbs) and today was 86.4 kg (190ish).

Is that possible? Have I lost 8 lbs in two weeks, and will that continue?

I have only cheated twice (apart from my two cups of coffee a day) - I had half a scone one day and a wrap for lunch with my mum as I didn't want to admit to a "faddy diet" as she would see it. I haven't felt hungry at all.

The sugar cravings are yet to disappear though.

Negroni Mon 30-Sep-13 12:52:42

Hello all, haven't been posting as got into some kind of long major sulky grump last weekend.

About 10 days ago in middle of week 2, I weighed in at my lowest for years and years. The next day my weight went up by a pound and the next day it went up by half a pound, taking me of of this lowest ever zone. For some reason well because I am ridiculous and childish this brought on a furious mood and much self sabotaging and eating of not even v delicious carbs. Example: muesli!

Not surprisingly last Monday I was up 1.5 lbs. I have been in such a sulk about this (basically my self sabotage, not my mini weight gain) that I stopped posting - so as to avoid mega whinge - and refused to put my weight on the spreadsheet. I got back on the wagon last Monday and have been good but on Friday and Saturday was involved in long planned celebrations that involved breaking the WOE.

I am back doing this, out of my sulk and will weigh in tomorrow. Cross at my self sabotaging and cross that my weight seems to be such a factor in altering my mood. (No idea why given I have blithely remained overweight for years).

On a positive (but curious note) people have started to notice my weight loss and seem to think, I have just recently lost lots of weight (in spite of only being about 2 lbs lighter than in July). I also now fit into size 12 clothes albeit in generous shops like M&S and Next, but still Still don't understand how I can get slimmer but not lose weight but I know many others talk of this mysterious phenomenon.

Cider - do you really have to leave bootcamp? V sorry to see you go sad

And sorry everyone for the epic post!

captainmummy Mon 30-Sep-13 12:58:45

It is amazing isn't it how food/weight affects our moods so much. It really shouldn't be this way.

I'm now worried that I'm eating TOO MUCH fat!!!! I do add mayo, butter etc where possible. iPads myth I added clotted cream to a couple of spoonfuls of yoghurt though.

I'm in a pretty bad place emotionally right now, but staying on the straight and narrow re eating.

BIWIZ Mon 30-Sep-13 13:10:35

I doubt it, Ohfuck!

But list out for me what you've been eating/drinking and I'll see ...

keeponkeepinon Mon 30-Sep-13 13:24:10

Just trying to read through posts up to now but its going to take some time! What does everyone think about cottage cheese on this? Yay or nay?
B: bacon, rocket leaves, mayo, cherry toms and a fried egg. Yum!
L: tuna mayo
D: mackerel in tomato sauce with rocket and feta
Does anyone test with ketostix? I did when I started and soon started testing positive. But towards the end of last week, when I had eaten really well it started testing negative - could it have been the cottage cheese or was it a sign I was using up the ketones? I can never get my head around all this!

A bit of weekend cheating and am up a few lb. Hard to say how much really, as I seem to fluctuate practically by the hour! Off to buy new scales today grin.

BIWIZ Mon 30-Sep-13 13:45:30

Cottage cheese is fine as long as:

- you buy full fat cottage cheese
- you realise that it does contain carbs (Sainsbury's is 4.8g carbs per 100g)
- you don't have a problem with dairy!

Don't bother with the ketostix. If you're drinking enough water they won't change colour anyway!

CrabbyBigBottom Mon 30-Sep-13 14:36:06

God I'm feeling absolutely shite today. Hungover, anxious and craving sweet stuff.

It just isn't worth it! apart from possibly the maids of honour tarts

Negroni Mon 30-Sep-13 15:09:22

Crabby had never heard of maid of honour tarts before you mentioned them in previous post. Now I have googled, looked at photos and read recipes. Not an ideal way to spend 5 mins when on low carb bootcamp wink

AuntieMaggie Mon 30-Sep-13 15:16:14

I am 2lbs down making a total of 6lbs. I'm ok with that given that I've had some slip ups... I fear I may be heading for another one as I'm sat here waiting for my train feeling tearful (damn you AF!) and I just want a cup of tea and a biscuit sad (damn emotional food issues)

I've just had a crappy salad from m&s at the station for lunch because i deliberately got cash for a lovely salad at the office i was visiting as I'd had one there before and they've closed the restaurant sad bastards

crabby i agree with all your lessons. its especially difficult to follow this woe whenstaying with the inlaws who keep buying you chocolate and beer (which i havent touched). Everyone eats loads of shite carbs and everywhere sells it. And hangovers make you want to eat kfc.

Also everyone is an expert on why you need to eat carbs! (and I'm too nice to tell them to fuck off!

timidviper Mon 30-Sep-13 15:44:14

Crabby I too am feeling very anxious and irritable after eating shite for a week. Tried to ring my friend for a moan and she is out, how very fucking dare she! grin. Am trying to recite "This too will pass" to myself!

Lavenderhoney Mon 30-Sep-13 15:46:31

I have just been a carby twat. Roast potatoes made by me and I couldn't chuck them. I don't know why, but I think if I was sufficiently disciplined to keep a diary, I would know its because of my cycle.

I've been so goodsad. Oh well, onwards and downwards, plus 3 litres of water and I am going to do an excerise DVD after the dc have gone to bed.

(Dons " carby twat" pointy hat and sits in corner)

OK last few days food for you to dissect and hopefully explain my weight gain smile

Everyday I am managing at least 2l of water and 2 decaff coffees with a small swirl of cream.


B black farmer sausage and 2 slices of back bacon
L prawns in chilli and coriander oil
D slow roast pork with roasted celeriac and mashed swede
S packet of pork scratchings


B 2 slices of bacon
L none
D chicken breast stuffed with boursin wrapped in bacon with green beans (one G and ST)


B none
L salad with vinagerette, tuna and cheese
D tandoori mixed grill, lamb saag and bindi bhaji (2 glasses of white wine)
S packet of pork scratchings


B 100g of total FF youghurt, swirl of double cream, splash of vanilla extract
L leftover Spanish chicken (from recipe thread)
D IPD mousakka

Help me please!

Oh and I am beginning week 6 today as I started early.

TOTM not due, also I have started walking home from uni which is 3.6 miles up and down hills so I was hoping that would have helped sad

CrabbyBigBottom Mon 30-Sep-13 16:36:07

New they have to be the original and the best from this place... www.theoriginalmaidsofhonour.co.uk/afternoon-refreshments/ - the tarts are in the bottom centre of the first picture! grin They didn't ever used to open on Sundays so when I saw them open yesterday I couldn't resist. Sorry for putting temptation in your way!

Auntie step away from the biscuits!

I'm reminded of the parable of the buddhist monk who was travelling and was lured into the house of a woman who told him she wanted to hear his preachings. Once inside, she locked the door and hid the key and told him that in order to be set free he had to break his vows in one of the following ways...
Slaughter her goat,
Have sex with her,
Have an alcoholic drink.

She wouldn't be reasoned with, so after much deliberation the monk decided that the least harmful option would be to have an alcoholic drink, thus harming noone but himself.

When he woke up in the morning, however, he discovered that after several drinks he'd ended up killing, cooking and eating the goat, after which he slept with the woman. grin

Moral of the story is that for me, drinking too much (and the resultant hangover) makes me turn into a carby twat! grin Also, giving in to the refined carbs just reawakens all those cravings and means I have to go through this couple of days of feeling shit all over again. angry

<<links arms with Timid and Auntie and chants "This too will pass! > >

ImATotJeSuisUneTot Mon 30-Sep-13 16:41:12

Hi All, lost another 1lb this week, takes me to 146.

My goal at Easter, when I started at 178 was 148. Now im there I can see that I could lose a couple more pounds. And hopefully it will come away from the right parts of me. Thighs!!!

BIWIZ Mon 30-Sep-13 16:42:11

MsIng - you're eating a very protein-heavy diet there, and you're not eating very much.

Where is your veg/salad?!

And you're also eating a lot of processed food - bacon, sausages, pork scratchings, slimline tonic

It could be that you're not actually eating enough, although without seeing your portions that's hard to assess properly.

BIWIZ Mon 30-Sep-13 16:43:18

And you should be drinking at least 3 litres of water, not 2

hello everyone

no weigh-in for me today as i'm away with work. probably a good thing as i had a rather persistent UTI (cross yer legs ladies) and am on antibiotics which always seem to cause problems wrt the scales

well done on reaching week 4!

Hang on, I thought the idea was low carb ie high fat/protein? I am confused, what should I be eating? We have had veg with every main evening meal and I have a salad most days, so not sure why that isn't enough?

I probably have about 100-150g of veg with evening meal, quite big portions, but I am eating until I am comfortably full, so don't always finish. Our portions sizes have dropped dramatically since starting this WOE though, neither of us are hungry.

I can easily lose the processed stuff, I just thought it was ok to have the high quality sausages, I struggle with breakfast as I don't eat eggs. I have realised that I'm not drinking enough and from today will do 3l without fail.

Negroni Mon 30-Sep-13 17:04:58

Well done Imatot - that is a great steady loss!

Crabby -It was me that was "researching" the maid of honours after your tip off. Now I think I may need to go on a field visit to the original bakery so that I can deepen my knowledge of the maid of honour. It would only be a quick tube across town and I could glean first hand knowledge of this historic tart wink

LCHammer Mon 30-Sep-13 17:07:33

STS which is good news as I've been CTing due to family birthday party (and weak will). Determined to keep going though as I feel better and I don't miss the carbs.

I thought pork scratching a were ok & I also eat 97% pork sausages once a week in the belief that they are 'good'. I think I'm a bit muddled about what is ok. I'll check the spreadsheet again.

MotherOfSoupDragon Mon 30-Sep-13 18:43:32

I am fed up of cooking mince or chicken. Does anyone have a link to low carb main meal recipes on a budget? smile

AuntieMaggie Mon 30-Sep-13 18:56:16

Aww crabby you make me smile grin thank you.

Finally home from London and dressed ready for my fitness class... I've missed about 3 months so this is gonna hurt...

BIWIZ Mon 30-Sep-13 19:19:26

MsIng - it is supposed to be high fat, then protein and then carbs - just the way you've written out your meals it doesn't look as if there's that much fat or many carbs (from veg).

But if you're eating plenty of veg then that's fine. What about the fat?

starrystarryknut Mon 30-Sep-13 19:51:11

Ooh I made a fab dinner!! Burger and chips - not joking grin

It goes like this:

Slice a large courgette into long thin slices, then in half crossways, so you end up with flat pieces about 4" long and 1" wide. Put olive oil in frying pan and gently fry both sides until brown. Remove and put on a plate.

Cook your burgers (preferably ones with little or no rusk in them, so the carbs are low - Taste the Difference, or similar quality/type)

Put on a baking sheet and top with some cheese. Place under grill until cheese is melted.

Put a couple of strips of the courgette on the plate, then put the burger and cheese on top. Add a spoonful of salsa (not tomato ketchup) and some lettuce or spinach leaves and tomato slice, then top again with a couple of slices of the courgette.

For the chips:

Cut celeriac into chip shapes, parboil for a few minutes, drain and pat dry on a clean towel. Melt coconut oil in a frying pan, and fry the celeriac chips until browned.

Done! Burger and chips gringrin

Everything is fried in butter or groundnut oil, lots of homemade vinaigrette, as fatty a cut of meat as I can find, pork belly, rib eye steak, chicken thighs etc. I'm a bit concerned about having too much dairy but we do have leeks in cheese sauce/cream sauces.

Twit Mon 30-Sep-13 20:20:44

motherofsoupdragon have you tried pork belly? I either get the ready cut strips or the joint, whichever I can afford.
Thanks for the advice. I am a bit down and stressed at the moment, which makes me want to cheat, but the only cheat I've done is a few nuts and some cups of tea ( for my sore throat) so so far so good. No weight loss yet but my medicine was probably mostly sugar so not surprised. Oh well.

I am going for the red skinnies. I have hung them up so I can see them all the time to motivate me. grin and I'm going to dig out my Callanetics DVD, as my hips and pelvis and stomach need gentle stuff, not running or anything good like that wink and see if that helps with the pmt shit any more than chocolate & biscuits.... <yeah right>
Anyhow, here is today's food. And lots of water, 3litres so far.
Breakfast, hard boiled egg, water, decaf bullet proof coffee, as I read caffeine might inhibit loss
Lunch, two fried belly steaks in butter, two lumps of frozen spinach topped with butter, water
Tea, er, oops. Water? Oh and a cold belly steak. I'm not hungry though.
I'm not eating enough am I? <hopeful>
I hope everyone has had a good day and has a great evening? smile

pixiegumboot Mon 30-Sep-13 20:26:48

OK I have been v. crap. Finding it hard to keep up water intake. especially after bulletproof coffee. I think I'm going back to boot camp angry angry

MotherOfSoupDragon Mon 30-Sep-13 20:33:38

Twit how do you cook the pork belly and how long for?

Twit Mon 30-Sep-13 20:59:28

The strips I just fry in butter, and tbh I just read the label, rub in salt and butter etc to encourage crackling blush. Chinese five spice can liven it up too, but I'm a crap cook so do really basic stuff. I found a biggish joint of slow roast pork the other day reduced and that was amazing just done really simply.
Have you got fed up with eggs yet? Omelettes are a good one. I am rather embarrassed at how boring and repetitive my food is compare with other people's on here, but we have to do what we have to do, and a strict menu plan has helped a bit.
How about fish pie? (although that is a treat now as fish is expensive here)

Purple2012 Mon 30-Sep-13 21:11:17

I think o really have to stop the weigh ins. They make such a difference to how my day goes and for me its not healthy. I have even stopped exercising as I wad afraid I would gain weight on the scales. I don't want to lose my fitness for a readout on the scales.

So, I am going to continue this way of eating and I am going to do cardio 3 times a week and the toning exercises that I am having designed for me 5 days a week. I should get my program in the next couple of days so the day I start I am going to weigh and measure myself and then my husband is going to put the scales in the loft as I won't go up there. I may even take a before photo too.

In a month or so if I feel slimmer I will weigh and measure again.

I will continue to post on here and read all the threads but I am afraid I am getting too obsessed with the numbers and I don't want to end up with a problem that won't be easy to fix.

toomuchicecream Mon 30-Sep-13 21:43:57

Sounds like a sensible plan Purple.

I'm very happy with 4.6 off this week. If I'd used yesterday's figure, it would have been nearer 7! But on a Sunday I can get up late, whereas on a Monday it's a 6am weigh-in. So that's ok.

Ruprekt Mon 30-Sep-13 21:46:55

Forgot to weigh today!

Will do it tomorrow.....

Purple I did the last bootcamp in the summer without owning a set of scales. Didn't stop me posting! So keep telling us how its going.

MotherOfSoupDragon Mon 30-Sep-13 22:21:46

Twit I'm not keen on fish and it is expensive do we rarely have it. We had frittata tonight for tea, but don't often because dd doesn't like eggs and I hate cooking different meals.

I'll look for belly pork. Last time I cooked done in the oven for about 40 mins and I found it quite tough but the crackling wasn't crispy.

whodunnit Mon 30-Sep-13 22:22:09

I've just completed week 4 of my mission and am down to my first goal 100kg .. my weight when 9 months pregnant. I lost 2kg this week after no loss the week before. So I am delighted. I now am heading to my next goal of 90kg which is me before pregnant. I hope to be there by Christmas.

I down (just a little) since last week. overall loss is 3.8lbs which considering I've been doing this for the most part since Jan is slow and steady weight loss. I am still surprised I am losing (especially as I cba to prepare food this weekend much and eat with the rest of the family for a couple of meals.

Still I am shrinking little by little.

Well done whodunnit

Today I went into the loft and pulled out a coat I haven't been able to wear for a couple of years It fits... just grin it's a great feeling!

Purple2012 Mon 30-Sep-13 22:39:06

I will lily thanks.

Purple absolutely no obligation to be on the spreadsheet - it's only for those who want it and you know what works best for you. Sounds like you're being very sensible.

timidviper Tue 01-Oct-13 00:31:22

Purple I think you are being sensible, I hate getting drawn into weighing, it does get obsessive.

Twit I went into Morrisons today and was surprised at how reasonable some of the fish was.

MotherOfSoupDragon Tue 01-Oct-13 00:50:15

Timid I rarely go to Morrisons because the car park is always full. I will have to have a look next time I'm in town.

HighJinx Tue 01-Oct-13 07:08:20

I am feeling very sorry for myself this morning. I have a horrible cold and sore throat. sad

On the plus side I have zero interest in eating anything (except Strepsils which aren't allowed)

Purple that sounds like a good idea. I am going to stop weighing myself daily. It becomes as though that number is the only measure of progress but this woe gives so many other, more important benefits.

My fab new scales unfortunately say that I weigh more than my old scales did sad. So my stats on the spreadsheet will be skewed. Not sure whether to just stop using the spreadsheet or put the new weight and start from there.

MrsMaryCooper Tue 01-Oct-13 07:45:39

I've stayed the same. But I had some social stuff last week so not surprised or disappointed.

Purple2012 Tue 01-Oct-13 08:28:35

Thanks everyone. I know I am doing the right thing. I can't carry on letting the scales dictate my mood. I have a friend with a very serious eating disorder and she is worried I will go the same way as her. So it is time to stop this but continue low carbing and eating healthy non processed foods. Im not going back to the diet coke either!

CrabbyBigBottom Tue 01-Oct-13 09:02:00

Sorry Negroni, my cumulative wine and carb hangover was so bad yesterday that I wasn't reading names properly! Save your research trip across town for a special occasion and combine it with a visit to the beautiful Kew Gardens!

Purple sounds like you're making a very sensible decision there. I think measuring and gauging how your clothes fit is a far more useful measure of progress anyway.

Holmes could you measure yourself on both sets of scales, calculate the difference, then edit your spreadsheet entries and subtract that amount from each one? Or would that muck up Willie's stats? <<cowers from Willie's big stick>>

CrabbyBigBottom Tue 01-Oct-13 09:09:34

Food yesterday...
B/L - courgette and tomatoes with mozzarella and pesto
D - black farmer chipolatas with roasted celeriac mash, shallots and roasted garlic
P - berry crumble (ground almonds and butter topping) with clotted cream
Plenty of water, several teas.

Much better night's sleep last night and feeling much clearer headed this morning.

keeponkeepinon Tue 01-Oct-13 10:14:00

Woohoo! Down a pound overnight (and its TOM too) . I'm a daily weigher on Libra - it helps me see through the fluctuations whether I am generally moving downwards.
I know this WOE works, I lost loads before my wedding seven years ago then after two babies and many many carbs I am at my highest ever. But lost 5lb over the last month doing low carb albeit a bit intermittently.

BIWIZ Tue 01-Oct-13 10:25:52

Good plan, Purple. I don't want anyone to start getting that obsessed with their weight such that they might be straying into disordered eating. That's certainly most definitely not the point of Bootcamp.

Anyway, I'm off Oop North to see my Dad for the next few days, and will only have a very dodgy 3G signal and phone, so will not be around to post much until the weekend. It also means I can avoid all the bullying threads which keep sucking me in

By the time I return, I will need to batter my Inner Gobbler and stop being a Carby Twat. Four days with my family usually involves way too much food and an awful lot of wine. <sighs>

I hope that you all have a good week.

CrabbyBigBottom Tue 01-Oct-13 10:34:51

Have a lovely time BIWI, forget those stupid threads and enjoy your food and drink. We'll beater your Inner Gobbler with your own big stick on your return. wink

BIWIZ Tue 01-Oct-13 11:21:06

I shall look forward to it, Crabby! grin

StuntNun Tue 01-Oct-13 14:36:16

I was wondering whether I was eating the right proportions of fat, protein and carbohydrate as there always seem to be comments of eat more fat so I have logged today's food on My Fitness Pal. I drink loads of water so I know I'm alright there. According to MFP today my meals add up to approximately:
53% fat (144g)
35% protein (95g)
12% carbohydrate (33g)

Does that seem like a reasonable proportion? I suspect I might be eating too much protein because some days I would eat more meat than that.

silverangel Tue 01-Oct-13 15:30:53

After a huge blowout weekend (planned, it was my sisters wedding!) I am up 4lb but still down 8 overall. It was worth it for a fantastic few days and to be honest it's probably more from the booze, I was ok with the food apart from one potato and quite a few drunken sandwiches
Anyway, onwards and downwards again, hopefully I can get rid of the extra 4lb and be back to where I was by next Monday. Definitley still in bootcamp proper!

AuntieMaggie Tue 01-Oct-13 15:57:07

I should weigh on a Tuesday instead... 2lbs off since yesterday so 8lbs in total. No idea why...

AuntieMaggie Tue 01-Oct-13 15:58:02

I always weigh less on a Tuesday - it was the same last week! X

Just checking in and marking place as I had big exam today so need to catch up with life now.
Keep going one and all - back later

prettybird Tue 01-Oct-13 16:19:19

Another pound off. It now means I have lost 3 stone from my heaviest (not all on Boot Camp but most of it! grin) - down from 13stone 6lb to 10 stone 6lb smilesmile

Slow and steady after my excellent 2 stone loss on the New Year Boot Camp. smile

Still got half a stone to go to my target of breaking the 10 stone barrier but may revise that to 9stone 7lb as the menopause seems to have affected my shape and there is more flabby stuff flesh around my waist than there was when I was that weight before sad

silverangel Tue 01-Oct-13 16:50:11

That's amazing Pretty, similar stats to me so lioveley to see!

Thanks Crabby - was thinking about that option. But quavered at the thought of messing with the spreadsheet grin.

prettybird Tue 01-Oct-13 17:12:49

Meant to add that I won't be continuing the downward trend next week: off to France for a wedding tomorrow, coming back on Monday blush

I'm looking on it as a "Planned Cheat" grin.

I will be in Brittany where they've got lots of lovely butter. Does that count? wink Not if I eat the pains au chocolate and the religieuses au cafe that I am anticipating

pixiegumboot Tue 01-Oct-13 20:12:52

why are you now biwiz?

Twit Tue 01-Oct-13 20:14:31

Hi all, just checking in with my days food.
Breakfast, bullet proof coffee, egg and bf sausage
Lunch, yoghurt, smidge of cream and some flaxseed
Tea, roast pork,buttery Brussels sprouts and most of the crackling off the HUGE pork I got.
I have had over 3litres of water as well today so far.
I hope everyone is happy and well today, have fun biwi <keeps stick warm>

googoogoggles Tue 01-Oct-13 20:24:30

Hi everyone. Checking back in after a weekend in northern lands. Day late weighing in but sts. Oh well. Maybe there were too many coffees with cream, and there was definitely G&T and a couple of glasses of wine (interestingly I too did not really enjoy the white wine – too sweet), so my tastebuds have def changed
Had a skip read of thread – what's this bullying malarky?
I need a bit of bullying about my water. Havent' been drinking my 3 litres for last few days, so hoping to get back on track with that tomorrow.
Hope everyone is doing okay.
Like the sound of roast pork and brussels sprouts twit. May have to try doing that this weekend...

Mouseface Tue 01-Oct-13 20:32:36

Evening, tis me, Mouse

I'm now at 9st 9lbs which given my bowel doesn't function and I can't exercise is pretty blooming fab for me! I am so, so, so very grateful to BIWI for keeping this going with everything else that you do in your day smile and Crabby for dragging my lardy ass pointing me in the direction of this group of fabulous people smile xxx

Pretty - that is a really inspiring post! You've done so very well and clearly worked hard to get where you are, I bet the charity shops love you if you're like me and keep donating your bigger clothes?! grin

Anyway - I need to put a small, very tired and past it little fish to bed.

Back soon xxx

keeponkeepinon Tue 01-Oct-13 20:43:44

breakfast at europe's biggest diabetes conference (EASD)

When I saw this, I literally laughed out loud. Its ridiculous! But I suppose they'd all lose their jobs if we all got our sugars under control....

whodunnit Tue 01-Oct-13 21:40:16

Well done to you prettybird That is good and inspiring news for us just starting the journey. And Mouse you paint such a lovely picture of your little one. Hope you all sleep well tonight.

so everyone's off up north, I see. Just when my boobs are heading south.....

Anyone felt any kidney pain ? ... I sometimes get a twinge on my left side when I lean forwads a bit... just wondered if I am straining my kidneys with all this water to process. Saying that, I don't even know if my kidneys are at the side. Thoughts anyone?

Those proportions of fat:protein:carbs look really impressive StuntNun!

prettybird Tue 01-Oct-13 21:54:57

I never bought that many clothes after I put all this weight on 4 years ago after I got made redundant, so I don't have many to give away.

I just wore lots of too tight clothes blush and bought some larger jeans and shorts when I had to and cut out the Size 16 label blush

But I do have a good wardrobe of 4+ year old work clothes that I'd had to pack away and must get out again! grin. Still not quite into all of them comfortably but getting there. smile

ImATotJeSuisUneTot Wed 02-Oct-13 08:21:22

Whodunit I actually mentioned this to my doctor on Monday when I was there for something else as I'd been having some back ache in the kidney area. She tested a urine sample and commented on the amount of water I was obviously drinking (not very yellow!!) but aside from that it was a perfect sample.

googoogoggles Wed 02-Oct-13 08:24:16

prettybird - I've just re-read your post – 3st down! That's amazing and so encouraging. Were you incredibly strict when you lost the first 2st on the New Year Bootcamp, following Bootcamp rather than Bootcamp light? I'm just checking as I nose-dived into the Total yoghurt pot last night (first time since starting this Bootcamp) and suspect it's what stalled me last time...
Lovely to be getting back into all your old clothes. I've got quite a few things tucked away I'd love to wear again!
Wishing everyone a good day of low-carbing and water-drinking!

prettybird Wed 02-Oct-13 08:40:26

A sort of cross between Boot Camp and Boot Camp Lite - but the emphasis on the latter because I wanted alcohol wink

I did also make sure to get some outside exercise (even just a walk() every day plus was a lot better at going to bed early, both of which I think helped.

bettybigballs Wed 02-Oct-13 09:15:04

Managed to shift 2lbs this week BUT sadly it's not because I've been on the straight and narrow. Had a horrific and very personal situation dumped on me out of the blue at work late last week and have since stopped sleeping, sunk into a very blue state and have been using alcohol as an anaesthetic and replacing meals with wine. I got myself to the doctors yesterday, have something to help me sleep and fingers crossed will start to feel more together soon.

I'm thrilled to see everyone's losses, everyone's doing so well.

Have a lovely time with family BIWI and thanks so much for everything.

LCHammer Wed 02-Oct-13 09:23:31

BBN - well done for going to the docs about that. Sounds v stressful and unhealthy.

Sounds dreadful Betty . Hope you can look after yourself and put two fingers up at the nasties at work.

I had a work meeting from 2pm - 7pm yesterday and at the 5pm point we decided to get refreshments... managed to NOT choose cake. The best LC option was a bowl of spiced nuts. Yum... but a big bowl and they are very moreish, aren't they! Ignoring the scales today and remembering at least it wasn't cake.

I'm really tired today as that meeting was 1.5 hours away from home. I should have had an early night - I need to learn these things.

keeponkeepinon Wed 02-Oct-13 10:31:25

Has anyone noticed a difference in their cycle? I am a few days late and its really unusual as I am usually regular and on the dot!

captainmummy Wed 02-Oct-13 12:11:19

Whodunit - your kidneys are in your back just under the ribs. Which side is hurting?
Betty - hope you are ok.

AuntieMaggie Wed 02-Oct-13 12:37:58

Hope things get better betty flowers

I am not hungry at all... really struggling to eat as I really don't like the look/thought of anything! Not really sure what to do about that confused

googoogoggles Wed 02-Oct-13 15:44:30

Echo that – hope you're okay betty. Sounds tough flowers

QueenQueenie Wed 02-Oct-13 16:22:16

marking my place... very late to the party.
Am keeping on keeping on but seem to have come to a (temporary I hope standstill, 3 months in.) It does seem just the odd glass of wine of a weekend is enough to halt me in my tracks darnit. I find this woe very easy and have no carb cravings at all or real hunger to speak of... but it would be nice to have just a glass of wine now and again hmm.. or hmm even

Have had a horrific sickness bug which has fortunately knocked a couple of pounds of the scales but not to be recommended.
QueenQueenie you do find that you whoosh all of a sudden if you stick to it. There is a school of thought that you need some carbs for your metabolism to then kick back in.

You could maybe try a day with carby veg instead of normal green ones and slightly carbier treats then cut back to bootcamp. I have always done bootcamp light at the weekends drank shedloads of alcohol and lost 2 stone and kept it off.

I'm afraid I'm quitting sad. Hardly any weight lost over all, and don't really feel or look different either. I don't really feel it's been worth the considerable effort it has taken to change my way of eating. I'm going to try not to go back to being a complete carby twat - will still generally avoid sugar and wheat, I think, and go for small portions of other carbs. Good luck with it all, folks!

Oh dear holmes such a shame if you haven't found any benefits.
Out of interest how much have you lost over the last 3 1/2 weeks?

Good luck!

Nothing. I lost loads all in one go, which I presume was water. Then I edged back up and have been constantly fluctuating between a couple of pounds above my original weight and a few pounds below.
The thing is, I could dither around tweaking my fat, water and dairy intake, but if it's going to require that much precision then I'm not sure it's tenable for me as a permanent WOE.

Hey you've got to do what's right for you.

I'm evangelical because the way it helped me both physically and mentally. The health benefits outweigh the pre planning it requires which tbh isn't much any more.

You shouldn't need to tweak anything if you stick to the recommended water for your weight and eat plenty of fat. You have only been doing this for 3 weeks and your body has been eating carbs for a lot longer than that! To lose 8lbs in one go is a lot hence why your body may be adjusting.

The thing that swing to for me was reading dr Briffa about the science as to why it works. I like India and Nerys for the emotional eating side.

That wasn't all aimed at you Holmes and am rambling on now so off to bed. Night y'all

BIWIZ Wed 02-Oct-13 21:39:46

holmes - please don't go! Have you read the posts I've written about weeks 3 and 4? That's exactly what you are experiencing!

You lost quite a lot if I recall - and it wouldn't all have been water.

Your body is now adjusted to fat burning instead of carb burning.

Dont change anything! If it worked for you to lose 8 lbs, then you were doing it right!

You need to be a bit more patient, honestly.

It is so, so, so common for people to experience this in weeks 3 or 4. Don't give up now as you have done the hardest bit.

Hmm. You might have persuaded me to stay for a while grin. I had a rubbish day today and was feeling grumpy.

BIWIZ Wed 02-Oct-13 22:23:02

Well - are you enjoying this way of eating?

Do you feel like its a diet?

Do you feel deprived in any way?

If you are happy eating like this, just relax about it all for a couple of weeks (whilst still following the rules of course!) and see how it goes.

Maryz Wed 02-Oct-13 22:26:48

Um. Can I answer those questions too.



Yes, sugar, chocolate and that full feeling that crusty white bread gives blush

I don't really mind, except for the crusty white bread bit.

As a matter of interest, can I ask those who are giving up whether they are (a) not very overweight or (b) still eating some carbs? Because I've been pretty much no carbs except for veg for nearly three weeks, and I am surprised by how little I have missed the potato/pasta/rice bit of it. I do miss the sugar and the "treats" but I think that's a psychological thing, not a physical thing.

whodunnit Wed 02-Oct-13 22:46:24

Hey Holmes - it's a shame you are disheartened. If it helps, I lost not a single gram in week 3 then lost 2kg in week 4 (I started a week ahead of the bootcamp). Just go for a nother week and see if the scales change. I am currently sitting in a pair of cotton crops that I could not get into a year ago. Even if the scales don't move much.

whodunnit Wed 02-Oct-13 22:53:28

Captainmummy. I had a feeling my kidneys were at the back smile .... my side niggle continues along with some very weird gurgling noises. I quite obviously have a knotted gut.... and last night I drank 1.5 litres of water just befoer bed and didn't need to get up in the night,a nd didn't have that huge a pee in the morning. So I have either a knotted gut on my left side, or a hole in my guts and the water is leaking out into my body cavities... I'm not very medially minded so I can see I shall have to google this.

And interestingly I didn't drink much all day and I noticed this evening that my breath stank. I am back on the large bottles of water now I am home.

Off to hypochondriacs.com now,,,,,,,,,

whodunnit maybe stick a pin in your toe and see if it comes gushing out wink

Seriously though, keep drinking the water and see how you feel. You can always see your GP if you are still worried or it doesn't get better?

whodunnit Wed 02-Oct-13 23:32:32

Thanks Mrs Hercule - IT WORKED. I have wet feet but feel great now!


NewStartNewStory Thu 03-Oct-13 00:55:48


Sorry to continue the whinge, but the problem isn't so much a temporary week-3-stall so much as an overall-haven't-really lost any weight!
To answer your questions BIWI, I am ok with the WOE. I like the fact that I am not hungry all the time and I like the foods I can eat. Tbh though, I was looking forward to re-introducing some carbs at some stage, but my slow, one step forward two steps back weightloss seems to indicate that I need to get MORE strict rather than less strict at this point. I cannot imagine staying on full bootcamp rules for the rest of my life!

BIWIZ Thu 03-Oct-13 13:12:05

I rather think it's more about getting your body fully ketogenically adapted, Holmes.

If you're happy eating like this for another couple of weeks, just try and relax about it all.

Are you sleeping well?
Are you under any particular stress?
Are you on any medication?

Ah - yes, I'm on beta blockers. And yes, I have just started a new job which is proving to be more stressful than expected! You're right though - I will just try and chill out and see how it goes.

BIWIZ Thu 03-Oct-13 13:38:09

And don't worry about 'whinging' - that's what these threads are for! grin

BIWIZ Thu 03-Oct-13 13:41:14

Looks like beta blockers can impede weight loss, Holmes.

But they are serious drugs obviously to deal with a problem, so don't stop taking them!

Thanks BIWI smile. I am just whingy about everything atm. And it's not even totm.

Lavenderhoney Thu 03-Oct-13 15:53:39

Another week lc and managing ( just) to keep off the wine.

I've been dithering about doing uber bootcamp, is anyone else doing it? I've never attempted it before!

Kids party today and carbs all the way, but I didnt touch any, even though there was stuff for parents, plus a huge lovely looking cake!

Feeling quite virtuous, although I have to drink another 1.5 litres of water before bed yet..

AuntieMaggie Thu 03-Oct-13 17:57:11

Another 2lbs down but I didn't eat much yesterday so may be temporary.

Feeling very virtuous as someone made a chocolate fudge cake in work today and I didn't want any...

I may have to eat some pineapple next week though... apparently it helps ttc...

HighJinx Thu 03-Oct-13 18:40:32

So if you are a carby twat do you undo all that you have done up to that point and in effect start again at the beginning?

I don't mean putting all the weight back on but in terms of your body becoming ketogenically adapted. Is there a point after which you can take sneak a treat and not undo the good?

AuntieMaggie Thu 03-Oct-13 19:10:22

Depends how much of a carby twat you are as I understand it...

ariadnestar Thu 03-Oct-13 20:55:00

delurks momentarily ... Hi all. Loving my third bootcamp and recorded my lowest weight yet this morning! There seems to be a problem with the spreadsheet though - the rows are all hidden and I can't unhide them (unless I'm just being dim - most likely!) Is there anyone who's able to fix it? slinks off to lurkerville to try on some previously too tight clothes

Willie isn't around at the mo so will have to wait for her to come back and wave her magic wand to fix it I'm afraid.

I can eat carbs for a day and switch back straight away if I stay off the booze without doing too much damage. But I have been doing this 18 months and have tested my limits with what my body can tolerate.
If I go off piste I don't beat myself up although I have to say the " treat " of having cake really doesn't appeal any more and is very easy to resist.

ariadnestar Thu 03-Oct-13 21:41:35

Thanks Just - I managed to sort it I think, thanks to a bit of googling :-)

Having sts (which my phone autocorrects to dtd, need to put mumsnet down) this week, I appear to have had <ahem> a bit of a clear out. DH was creasing up at the idea that that was the whoosh which is clearly a euphemism for something.

googoogoggles Fri 04-Oct-13 07:30:21

grin at ohfuck
ariadnestar come back and post how much you've lost over 3 bootcamps - and any tips/ meal ideas - cd do with a bit of encouragement this morning! Sneaked a look at scales. Still sts..feel lighter but not much energy yesterday and today. Know I didn't drink enough water again - hv an irritable bladder so don't like drinking loads when I'm out and about as i hate always worrying about finding a loo!

bigkidsdidit Fri 04-Oct-13 08:08:57

I'm half a kilo lighter this morning which has put me into the 70s for the first time since I was about 4 months pregnant smile that's 9lb lost so far for me. Hurray!

googoogoggles Fri 04-Oct-13 08:14:19

Welll done bigkidsdidit - That's great!


Biggest Loser of the Week: stinkerfromhove
Biggest Overall Loser: Roobot
Biggest %age Loser Overall: vicky08

bloody well done!

captainmummy Fri 04-Oct-13 13:46:20

Stinkerfromhove - how fab! It was only early sept you were asking why you hadn;t lost any weight - looks like it has started to whoosh!

Well done everyone.

Aha - I seem to have started losing weight again! I still don't know what to do about the fact that I'm now weighing on my new, accurate scales, so my first 2 weigh-ins were wrong...

BIWIZ Fri 04-Oct-13 17:52:31

Brilliant, stinkerfromhove! What do you think happened that suddenly got things going for you?

Fantastic, Roobot and vicky08

And very glad to hear that, holmes!

flowers for you all

BIWIZ Fri 04-Oct-13 17:53:08

I'm trying a chicken and choriZo stew tonight so if it's any good I will post on recipe thread. I need to update the low carb recipe pages too.

It's been a long week and there will be wine or vodka

I'm celebrating HOLMES staying with us and a whoosh!

StuntNun Fri 04-Oct-13 19:14:57

After DH's Baileys failure on his last business trip he has redeemed himself by coming home from Spain with a 2008 Rioja Reserve and cured Iberian pork shoulder. Nom!

ariadnestar Fri 04-Oct-13 19:20:31

Ah, all right then googoo smile I've lost about 26lbs now I think - the only time I've been lighter as an adult was when I did lighter life, but as you can guess it all went back on again! I can't believe how easy it is to stick to this WOE as a lifestyle, and I never feel deprived - I know if I go off plan I can pull it back again.

I do have some favourite foods that help keep me on track, most of which I've found out about from these threads. I love making crisps/crackers from Edam slices with salt/pepper and sesame seeds (cut each slice into 4 and cook at about 220 degrees for 8 minutes until crisp on greaseproof paper/baking parchment). I make about 20 at the start of the week and have 4 of them as a mid morning snack - they're just the crunch you need! I think it was blackaffronted who posted this version originally.

I also like experimenting with mash - this week's has been celeriac, swede and cauliflower, all mashed up (well, blended with a stick blender) with butter and buttery fried leeks - it goes with everything (especially good with Indian curry bizarrely!).

I also swear by the Big Ass Salad for lunch - I've got a funky bowl which has compartments for interesting bits and a wee lidded pot for the dressing - this week has been a combination of bacon, beef, ham, salami, various cheeses and boiled egg. Everyone at work is dead jealous of my salads ;)

I also like to do fajitas or chilli in lettuce boats instead of tacos/tortillas (no beans, obviously) and I do a lasagne/moussaka hybrid thing, where I layer bolognese sauce with butter-fried aubergine slices and the brilliant cheese sauce I got from this thread (soft cheese and cream microwaved together gently). Parmesan on the top then stick in the oven until bubbly - very oily but really satisfying and delicious.

Whoops, this turned into a bit of an essay! I should have stayed lurking ;)

BIWIZ Fri 04-Oct-13 19:57:40

Oh no! No lurking any more, after that, ariadne!

Twit Fri 04-Oct-13 23:27:01

Hi all. Not so good yesterday. My totm arrived and I ended up in bed early with a hot water bottle my stomach hurt so much. DH brought me paracetamol with a cup of tea and some dairy milk. I had a bit.i am never getting into my red skinnies again am I? sad
I know what I need to do but am finding it really hard this time. It's not even carb flu or anything, I'm just so buggering tired I drag myself around snapping at everyone. I'm not hungry, which is a blessing as it means I'm not eating a lot (which saves £).
Ah wel tomorrow is another day etc. hope you all ave a good weekend smile

Wow that all sounds fantastic Ariadne!

I had a moment today of thinking "I'm not a fat mum any more... I'm at most a medium-sized mum or a mum-who's-weight-you-wouldn't-even-notice". Possibly because I went with two slim friends to a Macmillian coffee morning. Didn't feel out of place next to the slim friends. Also managed to politely decline the cake while drinking tea and buying raffle tickets.

B - scrambled egg and fried-up veg leftovers
L - stilton & broccoli soup and tuna mayo salad
D - Mash-up of fried aubergine, tomato and feta; salad and tuna mayo (otherwise known as everything left in the fridge - can you tell Friday is leftovers day in our house?)

LCHammer Sat 05-Oct-13 06:44:46

Wow, some nice successes on this thread. Well done.

googoogoggles Sat 05-Oct-13 07:32:17

Thanks aridnestar!!!!! really inspiring and helpful post, so glad you de-lurked again. Am def going to try the layered moussaka this eve and experiment a bit more with mash too - like adding swede to cauli. ( My last cauli cottage pie topping was a bit watery!)

PMMummy Sat 05-Oct-13 08:03:32

Forgive my absence all, I lost the plot somewhere around my second soaking of the day on Thursday. You are all doing so well and inspiring me to get back on.
Today shall be a good day, pinky promise grin strict boot camp for me, light just doesn't seem to work, too much room for slipping !

AuntieMaggie Sat 05-Oct-13 09:45:13

Wow I must revisit the recipe thread for those cracker things. Thanks Ariadne for sharing your ideas - I may have to steal them. Thanks BIWI will look at the casseroles.

The biggest challenges for me on this woe is finding food when I'm out and about with work and because I'm not hungry deciding what to eat as I don't fancy anything and certain foods I've gone off (which causes some rows with poor DP who does most of the cooking and is at a loss about what to cook). I do boot camp light in that I eat nuts and berries but as a rule I don't drink alcohol unless on a night out. I have the occasional potato or chip but I try not to beat myself up about it because a) I've cut out carby processed crap so am healthier regardless of whether I'm losing weight or not and I don't actually want the crap and when I do I am satisfied by a very small taste of it and b) my insulin resistance is more stable. (Of course I do beat myself up occasionally cos I'd like to lose weight...)

Aww - thanks! I'm glad I've stayed too smile. Loving the sound of those edam crackers. And a very inspiring post from Ariadne.

Went clothes shopping today. Bought everything in a size 12 - which I haven't been since the 1990's!

keeponkeepinon Sun 06-Oct-13 08:56:15

Hi everyone, am loving reading this thread, its great to hear from people getting through the same things! I have been using ketostix to test, though I think I know now instinctively when I am in ketosis now, it just feels different.
However, although I am in ketosis much of the time, my weight hasn't gone down since the first week, where I lost 5 lbs pretty much at once. I track daily and the trend has just completely flattened out. I am neither losing nor gaining. How can this be if I am in ketosis?
Help!!! I'm losing my way!

StuntNun Sun 06-Oct-13 10:09:42

Can you post your last few days meals? Common problems are: being in week 3 or 4, too little water, too little fat, too few calories overall or being stalled by dairy, caffeine or some medicines.

Maryz Sun 06-Oct-13 10:59:33

Well I've just weighed myself (a day early) and have lost another 8 lb, despite getting shitfaced having a few drinks on Friday night.

I'm a week behind, so I suspect this week will be my stall week. I need to be careful or will start having the odd "treat" which will turn into full bars of chocolate. That's usually how my diets go - two to three weeks of fantastic achievement, followed by relaxation and a complete collapse by the end of the month.

I've been on liquid iron for the last week or so, which I think has helped with the tiredness because I've been very anaemic for the last year or so.

One bonus side effect is that I've cut my coffee to two cups a day, whereas I was having about 6.

BIWIZ Sun 06-Oct-13 11:25:09

That's impressive, Maryz!

Last minute dinner party here last night - and managed to keep it low carb apart from all the alcohol of course

Starter - antipasti board (salami, proscuitto, buffalo mozzarella, sunblush tomatoes, olives, silverskin onions and gherkins) with focaccia bread for the non low-carbers

Main - fillet steak with a creamy red wine sauce, green salad with garlicky vinaigrette and celeriac boulangere

Pudding - chocolate and raspberry ice-cream, decorated with freeze-dried raspberries and a side garnish of 4 raspberries and cream.

The pudding was really low carb because it was made with 90% cocoa dark chocolate and had no extra sugar. Flavoured with raspberry liqueur, vanilla extract and chocolate extract.

I had bought cheese as well, but we had no room for that!

About to go to our new (French) neighbours' for lunch. Hoping I can have teeny portions of anything that's carby.
B: omelette with plenty of butter
L: don't know!
D: cold roast chicken and salad with mayo or oily dressing

Having real trouble resisting the Lindt milk chocolate that MIL brought round the other day though...

bigkidsdidit Sun 06-Oct-13 12:49:12

Blimey Maryz that's amazing!

I'm feeling really slim today, whether I've lost or not it's obvious in the mirror today smile

BIWIZ Sun 06-Oct-13 13:22:58

Hurrah! It's a lovely feeling, isn't it?

Cherrypi Sun 06-Oct-13 15:35:41

Finally in the 11s (justshock). Bought some size 12 skinny jeans. Not sure if they suit me but the do up. Yay.

Urgh. Lunch at the neighbours was not exactly low carb... It's interesting though, that falling off the waggon on this WOE doesn't seem to derail me completely. I am quite happy to climb back on the next day.

And I feel RUBBISH after that lunch, nice though it was. I have a stomach ache and am actually shaky.

toomuchicecream Sun 06-Oct-13 16:43:53

I am sooo hungry! Well - mostly bored with work I am supposed to be doing. Have a pint of water and packet of ham next to me, but very little in fridge as going shopping tomorrow. A nice bowl of rice pudding is looking very attractive at the moment...

Lifeisontheup Sun 06-Oct-13 17:09:26

On nights atm but managed to resist the doughnuts and chocolate cakes people bought in,smile
It's hard work as one of my colleagues is an ex pastry chef and makes the most divine cakes.
Just had homemade chilli with sour cream for breakfast and taking tuna mayonnaise for lunch. Might make a thermos of bulletproof coffee for a early morning boost as that's when the carb goblins rear their ugly heads.

toomuchicecream Sun 06-Oct-13 18:18:15

How bad would it be to have a baked apple after my roast chicken this evening? My parents have given me a tray of beautiful Bramley apples from their garden and it seems such a shame to leave them sitting there. And I bought a pot of clotted cream so I need something to eat it with.

(Have managed to avoid the rice pudding...)

Toomuch I think it would be quite carby - baked potatoes are a very carb-y way of eating potatoes for example, so I imagine baking an apple probably makes it carbier than a normal eating apple.

(Can you make an apple tart/cake/pudding that you can donate to friends/work?)

The clotted cream sounds fine though!

Pretty amazing results Maryz and I hope you're feeling less shaky Holmes.

I've been running around like a blue-arsed fly ALL DAY scrubbing, tidying and cleaning the house. Because prospective new tenants are viewing tomorrow. It would be awful if we were actually the owners trying to sell it - that would be a week's cleaning! I was just trying to not get any disapproval from the landlord. I wonder whether all this unaccustomed housework-exercise will have any effect on the weigh-in tomorrow.

BIWIZ Sun 06-Oct-13 22:15:52

So tomorrow I start my new job. No longer will I be self-employed or working from home.

Which means that the time that I have available to read/post will be severely curtailed!

Please don't think that I'm abandoning you. I will do as much as I can before/after work, but I should alert you all to the fact that I am likely to be around a lot less than I have been up to now. (At least until I can work out ways to post when I should be working wink)

I will start the week 5 thread this evening, as I will not have time in the morning.

NewStartNewStory Sun 06-Oct-13 22:18:03

Good luck with the new job BIWI

BIWIZ Sun 06-Oct-13 22:52:54
MotherOfSoupDragon Sun 06-Oct-13 23:39:54

I have been a total carby twat over the last few days, my only excuse is we had visitors and then a big family meal out.

Back on track from tomorrow. Will drink lots of water and stick to boot camp rules.

BIWI Sat 12-Oct-13 13:39:39

Are you hiding your confession on this thread instead of posting on the current one? wink grin

MotherOfSoupDragon Sat 12-Oct-13 22:27:15

No, posted this end of last week.

However, I am leaving the boot camp threads, as I no longer feel I can post honestly about problems I'm having. I'm not perfect, I slip up sometimes, but now feel I can no longer admit that, so see no point in posting when I cannot be honest. Thanks for your help in the past BIWI and Willie.

BIWI Sat 12-Oct-13 22:31:18

Oh no! I'm really sorry.

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