Week 3 - Autumn Low Carb Bootcamp - The Crossroads!

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BIWI Cote D'Ivoire Sun 22-Sep-13 23:12:02

So we have reached the end of the first two, strict weeks.

Come and confess all on the Spreadsheet of Fabulousness

By now, if you have stuck to your knitting, you should be ketogenically adapted - which is to say, you should have switched your body from burning carbs to burning fat.



You now have a choice. You can relax things a little and can include some fruit (berries) and some nuts/seeds - and a little alcohol in moderation The rules of Bootcamp Light are on the spreadsheet.


You can stay on Bootcamp, if it suits you - as long as you promise me that you are getting your carbs from vegetables and salad!

Another option, which many of us adopt, is to do Bootcamp during the week and Bootcamp Light at the weekend.

The choice is entirely yours!

I hope that everyone is enjoying their food, which is the most important thing. And good luck for the next week.

Ruprekt Sun 22-Sep-13 23:12:37

Oooh can I be first?

BIWI Cote D'Ivoire Sun 22-Sep-13 23:13:55


Ruprekt Sun 22-Sep-13 23:14:12

Yay! I did it!

thanks And brew for Biwi and the gang......not sucking up at all!

Had a bite of tiramisu tonight and realised, that if tweaked, it aint a bad low carb pud!

QueenQueenie Sun 22-Sep-13 23:18:34

I made moussaka from the IPD cookbook tonight. It was incredibly easy and truly delicious.

NewStartNewStory Sun 22-Sep-13 23:21:16

<peers intensely at BIWI >
<puts down cardigan she is knitting>
Do you literally have cameras every where?

<feels slightly scared!>

BIWI Cote D'Ivoire Sun 22-Sep-13 23:30:24

Oh yes. I am everywhere


LCHammer Sun 22-Sep-13 23:31:32

I'll weigh in the morning. I'll let the night sweat off a few more grams.

BIWI Cote D'Ivoire Sun 22-Sep-13 23:34:27

A Word of Warning!

It is very common for people to report no or little loss in weeks 3, 4 and/or 5.

Please don't be downhearted if this happens to you!

In the first weeks, you will have lost water weight and will have emptied your glycogen stores (which doesn't happen if you're on a low fat/low calorie diet), as well as losing a bit of fat.

It seems as if your body then has to sort of 'take stock' of what it's doing.

Just keep on keeping on, and you will see the scales start to move again for you. Only this time, you will really be losing fat. After this, you can expect to lose 1-2lbs a week - which will all be fat.

emblosion Sun 22-Sep-13 23:37:46

I need to be poked with the big stick - FIL came round today with a big cheesecake and I let myself be railroaded into eating a slice (it was delicious, but won't be worth it if it buggers up all my low carbing efforts).

I think I'm going to try cutting right back on dairy this week. I feel like I've had too much cheese & cream!

Ruprekt you have the best name on mumsnet :-)

CrabbyBigBottom Sun 22-Sep-13 23:49:10

By god I've been tempted by carbs this weekend! I've stood firm on the food. Significantly less firm on the wine, however - have shared a bottle with DH last night and tonight. blush I'm therefore not expecting to see a loss on the scales in the morning.

Stunt spritzers are an unforgivably degrading thing to do to good wine!! shock grin

Lily if I can't have berries in my yoghurt, then it has to be clotted cream! The sort of crunchy crust on top of the cream adds a lovely texture to the yoghurt with the crunch of the vanilla beans. [drools]

Food today...
B/L - bacon, fried tomatoes, poached egg.
S - smoked mackeral in cream and marscapone cheese with horseradish and lemon juice.
D - roast chicken with mashed swede and roasted broccoli

CrabbyBigBottom Sun 22-Sep-13 23:51:26

mackerel not mackeral!

whodunnit Mon 23-Sep-13 00:56:03

Evenin all

Just checking in before bed. Stuntnun, that link was very useful. Today I had:

B 2 egg mayo on cucumber
L garlic chicken chunks fried in butter on green curly cabbage
D gammon, swede n carrot mash with cheese on, cabbage, gravy, yoghurt with a bit of blackberry n cinamon
S strips of streaky bacon, nice n crusty, plus some brazil nuts and a few blackberries. 2 cups of tea

more water than I need to. And I went on a bike ride and a walk.

Really felt like snacking today but it did not make me feel better. I resisted the crap in the cupboards. Fingers crossed for the weigh in in a few hours.

sybilfaulty Mon 23-Sep-13 06:44:36

STS for me - but hardly surprising given I had my birthday celebrations this weekend. Lucky not to put on.

Back on the straight and narrow for me this week.

Good luck everyone for today.

bigkidsdidit Mon 23-Sep-13 06:47:13

5.5lb off! No inches off yet.
I'm very pleased smile

Just 1lb off this weigh in, but I know I was 2lb down on Saturday before horrendous TOMbloating commenced sad

I wards and downwards next week.

bigkidsdidit Mon 23-Sep-13 07:07:30

DH is 7lb down smile

SteppingOnLego Mon 23-Sep-13 07:13:15

Only 1lb for me too this week. Still at least it's going down smile

I know I've been eating far too much dairy over the weekend, I've been on call for work which means boredom and snacking. Kept it lc but a lot of cheese and greek yogurt got eaten! And philly with celery now I think of it. Must do better this week, but warning heeded and I won't be discouraged if I don't lose much. I see this as a long term WOE now.

charlie7 Mon 23-Sep-13 07:24:32

Only a 1lb off here too- but I did a half marathon yesterday and didn't feel happy not having many carbs beforehand (despite doing lots of running normally on this WOE so I probably would have been fineconfused) so I had some fruit and chocolate. Hence my small loss. Never mind, back on it now. And I think I need to realise that I can run long distances and do this...

charlie7 Mon 23-Sep-13 07:25:47

Also, not decided whether to do boot camp or boot camp light. I'd like to go back to Briffa eventually as I find that easy to follow... But after this weekend I'm not sure..

MrsSnuffleupagus Mon 23-Sep-13 07:32:19

Forgive me BIWI for I have sinned....a weekend of carby-twatishness (not much at all actually) and alcohol blush has resulted in 1lb on blush Actually I'm pretty leased with that, I have been sitting at a steady 13st all week (no change from last week) so to have only gained a 1lb this weekend is amazing. And it was a one off due to my cousins wedding...

Needless to say I think I'll be sticking to full on bootcamp this week grin

StuntNun Mon 23-Sep-13 07:35:50

Another pound off - yaaay!

What is this IPD cookbook everyone keeps mentioning?

If spritzers are out Crabby how about alternating glasses of wine with glasses of sparkling water - same result but without ruining the wine.

One of the reasons for the week 3/4 stall is that when you are eating carbs then your body has an absolute carb requirement of 110-120 grams of carbohydrate a day. If you consume less than that, as we have been doing, then for a while your body manufactures what it needs to maintain this level, for example by gluconeogenesis. However once you are fat-adapted, as you will be after two weeks of Bootcamp, your brain will have started burning ketones for energy and your body's carb requirement drops to 50-60 grams per day. This new balance between your carb requirements and your diet can cause a temporary stall in weight loss around now. If you keep eating a low carb diet then one of the other effects is a decrease in hunger and you should start eating less: there is less need for snacking and some people find they go longer between meals or skip meals entirely. You will be eating less calories than you need per day allowing your body to use up its fat stores and the weight will start to drop off again.

Ruprekt Mon 23-Sep-13 07:44:39

Yay! 1 lb off. Am now 176 lbs.

So, I started this bootcamp on 1 Sept at 184lb. Weightloss so far of 8lbs but cannot put that on the spreadsheet! shock

Emblosion.....thanks for the lovely comment about my name! smile

Butter and water, people, butter and water. smilesmile

BIWI I have gained a pound this week. I am on week 4 and had a bit of a blip with a night out with wine. Can I expect to start losing weight again next week provided that I stick to the rules?

Bit gutted sad

Purple2012 Mon 23-Sep-13 07:51:21

1.4 lb off this week. I am fairly pleased with that but like all of us I always hope for a bit more. I am now 11st 5 lb so I'm getting there - slowly.

I think I might just stick to boot camp and see how it goes for a few more weeks before I go to boot camp light. Although I am tempted to start having chopped up nuts with my yoghurt in the mornings. I will give it some thought today. I suppose I could just have the nuts and stick to the strict rules the rest of the time. I don't like berries that much and I rarely drink alcohol so that could work.

Hope everyone else happy with their losses.

ImATotJeSuisUneTot Mon 23-Sep-13 07:51:22

I've stayed the same. Week 4 for me though so im ok with that.

Although, having been up half the night with a horrible stomach bug, I did expect to see some loss - if not a 'true' one!grin

lavenderhoney Mon 23-Sep-13 07:52:40

I've just updated and am steadily losingsmile i'm going to stay on the bootcamp but I might have a little g&t tonight.

thanks to everyone who updates the thread and BIWI and Willie (sticks and spreadsheets!)

well done to all the loserssmile

right i would normally do this on a friday but i've been hopelessly busy so i'm afraid you're only getting it now, sorry


week one biggest loser: roobot
biggest %age loser so far: roobot
collectively we lost 279.8 lb!!

<wild applause>

(please note that I have archived anyone who hasn't weighed in at the beginning of week one. if this is you, you absolutely have not been kicked out of bootcamp, it's just that i have to remove the zero numbers for the sake of my averages. from now on, i'll archive anyone who hasn't weighed in for two weeks running. if you want to be reinstated on the spreadsheet just let me know)

Purple2012 Mon 23-Sep-13 07:59:45

Quick question. I was still drinking diet coke for the first few days of boot camp although I started the low carbing before boot camp. Do you think I should wait until I have done 2 weeks of no diet coke before going to boot camp light and having nuts?

HighJinx Mon 23-Sep-13 08:06:56

I lost just half a pound this week. I'm not surprised because I had a big loss last week (5lbs when I started early in the few days leading up to bootcamp and 3lbs on bootcamp itself). And half a pound less is half a pound less.

I'm going to stick with bootcamp with the exception of the odd glass of wine at the weekend. And this week I'm going to cut down the cheese too.

I'm getting on fine with it and even when DH has pizza or cake I'm not really fussed. I love not being hungry. Not sure what's going on but right now I couldn't care if I never have potatoes, pasta or rice again.

loopyloou Mon 23-Sep-13 08:07:28

Crabby, what sort of vanilla do you put in your yoghurt? I've been putting a drop of essence in or cinnamon, but crunchy vanilla beans sounds good !

I don't think I'm going to weigh myself for my own sanity! Don't feel like I'm any smaller, so may not measure either today. Feeling bloated tbh as if totm due, but shouldn't be for another 2 weeks, however due to my advanced age shock my hormones are all over the place so who knows?

Torrorosso Mon 23-Sep-13 08:08:39

This week I have - put on a lb!

So, one lb down since the start of bootcamp.

Apart from a handful of blackberries, I have stuck to bootcamp rules strictly.

My hormones are all over the place though as I go through the menopause and I'm going to ask GP for a thyroid blood test as I'm displaying some of the symptoms of an under active thyroid.

milliemoomay Mon 23-Sep-13 08:13:30

Well done everyone on their weight loss. I had lost a lb this week but the weekend went awry. hmmm... I've been having such a stressful time with my house sale. We were poised to exchange on Friday - all of us in the chain were ready and then my seller went awol and no one could reach him all afternoon. He didn't return anyone's calls and I've spent the weekend imagining and expecting the worst. It's been horrendous and all I wanted to do is dive into a vat of wine - which I'm afraid I did on Friday nightwine (sorry.. just had to offload)

I did try to rein it in on Sunday at lunch but my host was insistent that I partake of every dish that he ordered at an amazing chinese restaurant. All that hidden corn flour in sauces did me in.

The huge lunch made me even hungrier at dinner - cheese attack shock. So unfortunately I put back the 1lb I'd lost.

I'm well and truly stalled at 144 lbs - I've got to get out of this rut somehow. Should I do another week of BC?

emblosion Mon 23-Sep-13 08:15:17

A pound off this week despite cheesecake misdemeanor, so 6 since bootcamp started. Pretty pleased :-)

Going to stick with bootcamp proper this week as its been going quite well. I do think I've been having a bit too much dairy so going to try to cut down a bit, cheese especially because it is my major weakness.

Good luck with the weigh in all!

Cherrypi Mon 23-Sep-13 08:17:56

1.5lb off yay. Approaching the 11s for the first time in six years and very excited. Just 1 more lb to go. Been enjoying the new asda extra special Greek yoghurt. Not quite as low carb as total 4g per 100g but fancied a change. It already has the cream added though.

BastardDog Mon 23-Sep-13 08:18:27

Hello all, I'm a late comer introducing myself. I've been stalking this board for a few days as well as reading books by Dr Briffa and Gary Taubes, and officially started boot camp last Friday.

I lost 4 stone on a VLCD just over a year ago so I'm familiar with ketosis etc.

Sadly I lost 3 family members in the six months following my VLCD and I went back to comfort eating and regained all the weight over the last year.

For the last few weeks my knees have been really bothering me, the Dr is monitoring my BP and worst of all I've been suffering with GERD which is not nice. So I've lots of reasons for sorting out my eating.

I've tried to put my details on the spreadsheet, but I'm on an iPad and not sure if its worked properly.

Start date 20/9
Start weight 196
Weight today 191.25

Roobot Mon 23-Sep-13 08:35:10

Another 5lbs off for meee! Woop woop and all that grin on the one hand dead chuffed cos thats 19 in total! Will update spreadsheet when not on me phone!
This weeks challenge... DRINK MORE WATER! I am terrible at the weekends for just drinking coffee.

bettybigballs Mon 23-Sep-13 08:35:53

1lb off for me too. I did have wine this week and a slightly carbier day when I forgot my lunch so I'm surprised I've dropped at all. Staying on bootcamp for another week to make sure I'm in fat fighting mode.

Today's menu is:

B: cream cheese pancakes with butter
L: Tuna mayo with little gem
D: spag Bol with courgette spag.

So pleased to see everyone's progress. Also really good to see everyone positive on smaller losses too. I was feeling a bit down about my 1lb but reading this thread and seeing everyone elses positivity about small losses has really cheered me up.

Happy week three everyone!

Roobot Mon 23-Sep-13 08:43:39

Also woo @ biggest loser smile but everyone is doing so well! I would be happy to have a decent loss by xmas...

TMI had sooo and blew my nose, another pound down! Not sure whether to alter the spreadsheet...

BerylStreep Mon 23-Sep-13 09:09:04

Good morning campers.

I have brushed myself down and given myself a good shake. Will stop feeling sorry for myself.

I did a 31 mile cycle yesterday, and stuck to BC properly all day.

B - tiny bit of sliced chicken
L - Fried mushrooms and lardons on a bed of iceberg lettuce, couple of baby tomatoes and Piri piri mayo.
D - tuna mayo with peppers
Quite a lot of water.

Pleased to note that I am in ketosis this morning.

I'm off to London tomorrow, and going out with colleagues in the evening, so there will most likely be a bit alcohol then, and have a formal on Saturday, so likewise, but other than that I need to be alcohol free, and I need to ditch the berries for a bit.

I also need to do a bit of menu planning for my trip.

LCHammer Mon 23-Sep-13 09:10:15

I lost 0.7 kg and I'm pleased with that.

Well done to everyone. Those who lost and those who didn't as I don't see anyone quitting smile

Welcome BD. And sad to Millie, I hope you have better news on the house sale.

StuntNun Mon 23-Sep-13 09:41:02

Thanks for the Asda yoghurt tip Cherrypi I'll give that a try too as the Total yoghurt is too expensive for me.

Torro thyroid issues are renowned for screwing up LC weight loss but Bootcamp may be a good way to prevent weight gain until you get it diagnosed and under control.

Lifeisontheup Mon 23-Sep-13 09:59:23

2lbs for me this week but I'm happy. It's a steady loss and clothes feel looser.
Well done to everyone.

Chuffed to be 2.2lb down. (though last Weds I would have been 2lb up so think I just struck lucky to weigh at the bottom of a fluctuation!)

Also really odd that I fluctuated up during the week when I was quite strict, avoiding dairy and doing the food prep myself... and down at the weekend when there was cheesy sauces and DH is cooking and serves up massive portions! I think I'm probably overthinking this.

Congratulations Roobot! and many thanks to BIWI and Willie. It helps me stick to this WOE knowing there is this thread!

starrystarryknut Mon 23-Sep-13 10:00:02

I just finished week 3 of boot camping (started when I discovered the preparation thread) and this week I've lost another 3 lb. So 8 lb last week and 3 this week. That's nearly a stone - a STONE (nearly) - in a fortnight!! And in 3 notches on my belt! Result grin.

What is the IPD cookbook? I keep seeing it mentioned.

NewStartNewStory Mon 23-Sep-13 10:19:15

I have put on 2kg. Not really surprising though. This week I am telling the carby twats to sod off and being as unsocial as i physically can with the schedule I have. Back to back meetings should help keep un helpful people at bay angry besides Sleep is needed. Back to bootcamp wk 1 again sad Here is hoping that the training that is also scheduled for this week helps me re-find ketosis a tiny bit quicker unlikely

Keep with it all those who are struggling it is worth it. Promise. And be strong against the carby twats. Do Not let them derail you. It really isn't worth it and it is your health not theirs.

Onwards and downwards!!!

loopyloou Mon 23-Sep-13 10:20:03

Well done to all losers smile

I've measured and I've lost an inch off my waist, so happy with that smile

surprisedbyjoy Mon 23-Sep-13 10:22:58

A bit over 1.5lbs off this week! Gained last week so 1lb off to date but as a long term low carber I wasn't really expecting a bit loss in the first weeks - not that it wouldn't have be nice!

IPDCookbook is the book produced by India Knight et al to go alongside the Idiot Proof Diet. Amazon don't seem to have the book new but there are some secondhand versions there and I think I got mine from a charity shop! It is useful and the diet book itself is worth a read - not quite the same as bootcamp but it got me started before I found you guys!

Lifeisontheup Mon 23-Sep-13 10:30:30

Think I'm going to try and stay on bootcamp as much as possible with the addition of a few raspberries to have with my yoghurt plus I'm going away next Monday so will have a couple of drinks then but not go mad.

New puppy arrives on Wednesday (picture on my profile smile) so I forsee an increased level of activity as I spend hours standing in the garden and lots of playtime.

I've just about sts this week.

I not surprised as my dairy intake crept up, I was snacking on cheese! I also let my water intake go down... hence the end result.

I struggle slightly in the morning I really enjoy the (ikea) bowl of lidl yogurt I have for breakfast but when I get home form the school run I find myself wanting to nibble. This morning I've had olives but can anyone suggest other veggie snacks as this is when I have been over indulging on the cheese?

Mouseface Mon 23-Sep-13 10:42:58

2lb off smile

I am struggling MASSIVELY with constipation though. And I am drinking so much water - but because of all of my meds I'm stuck. All help/suggestions

Ruprekt - Butter and water, people, butter and water - you know people made of butter and water? grin grin grin

Just off to do the weekly shop, Strawberries and double cream, here I come!!!

Also, someone posted about there being no carb free/low carb snacks etc....

I wanted to know about these BIWI?

Morrison 'Free From' range do some crackers that have 4.9g (per cracker) of carbs in, they are wheat, gluten and dairy free, and I wondered if they were ok for a very occasional 'treat' with cheeses on?

encyclogirl Mon 23-Sep-13 11:33:31

I've done shit on bootcamp. I haven't posted due the sheer level of pants that my bootcamp experience has been.

Pulling myself up by the bootstraps today and trying again.

I've managed to gain 2lbs since the start sad

All my own fault mind you. Too much weekend relaxing of the rules at this end.

I need to at least post on the thread that might help me stay on plan.

Well done everyone else, you put me to shame.

Poor Mouse! What laxatives are you allowed with your medication?

Doris how about half the bowl of yogurt before the school run and the other half afterwards? I used to have a mega just-in-from-school-run snack habit. Chipping talked me down from it by asking what the emotional eating issues were behind it. She was right, it was emotional eating. I don't even think about a 9.15am snack, these days. I can't explain why, just the realisation came at the right time?

I think ithere may be an aspect of emotional eating lily ... maybe a reward for get through the havoc in the morning.

I might try having another couple of spoons of yougurt rather than the cheese.

Twit Mon 23-Sep-13 12:52:50

Hi all, congrats to the losers!
I'm not weighing myself til Thursday as I started the Thursday before bootcamp started. Over the weekend my rash got so bad I had to have a dose of piriton, I couldn't sleep it was so itchy. I have now got a seriously sore throat and have lost my voice sad which the kids have taken full advantage of.
Anyway thanks for the grips, they are lovely. I am going to remain on bootcamp for at least another week to make up for the piriton, then I'll see.
Breakfast, warm water, egg
Snack, sausage
Dinner, meh, not hungry hurts too much
Tea, possibly bolognese and courgette slices. Or smidge of yoghurt & flaxseed for my throat.
Lots and lots and even more warm water for my throat. I am prepared to be hungry, and have boiled some eggs and cooked some belly in advance just in case it hits at just- back -from -school -and -making -the -tea time.
And somewhat scarily I have been knitting myself a hat this weekend shock my first in the round project.

Well I seem to have re-lost the half stone which, as I posted a few days ago, had mysteriously appeared over night - and just in time for weigh-in! That web page posted by Stuntnun is very interesting, not least because it seems to admit that, after the initial water weightloss, the subsequent weightloss does in fact come from calories in vs. calories burned, and that the reason lc works is that it is so much easier to eat fewer calories.
As you suggested, BIWI, I am also approaching TOTM, so hopefully I will lose a few more pounds after the slight hormonal bloat has gone! I do find the weight fluctuations rather extraordinary though...

B: Scrambled eggs with lots of butter, couple of cherry tomatoes
L: salad with sliced grilled steak, a bit of mozzarella and mustardy oily dressing.
D: Lamb and veg curry

Oh and I've been knitting this weekend too - BIWI really does have eyes everywhere! <paranoid emoticon>

Pagwatch Mon 23-Sep-13 13:19:45

I have done two weeks with the only slip ups being 1 glass of wine and two flat white coffees.
I have been walking DD to school and been to do interval training at the gym 4 times.
I have only lost 1lb this week.
A tad disppointing but I feel soooooo much better I don't care. Plus my clothes fit better.
Bring on week 3 !

silverangel Mon 23-Sep-13 13:27:32

Hi all,

I'm down 13lb since starting three weeks ago - I can't open the spreadsheet so will have dropped off it but will post each week as helps keep me motivated. I'm going to stick with bootcamp for this week as will be havinga big blow out on Saturday for my sister's wedding.

B - fritatta with chorizo
L - chicken salad
D - bubble and squeak with left over roast pork, swede, cabbage and brocolli.

Well I messed up completely last night. Complete carby twat.

And then I forgot to weigh this morning. Probably just as well!

Back on bootcamp now though. Although need to go shopping to stock up the fridge.

Torrorosso Mon 23-Sep-13 13:45:43

Thanks StuntNun. I am sticking to bootcamp despite disappointing results. I googled underactive thyroid and I do seem to have a number of symptoms including tiredness, muscle/joint pain and feeling cold - all of which have worsened over the last year. It might just be old age and variable hormones though.

You're right, this woe at least might stop me putting on any more, and I am enjoying my food. I going to cut right down on dairy this week and see what happens.

Collywibbles Mon 23-Sep-13 13:54:08

STS again although TOTM so not overly fussed. I have been this weight for the last 12 months but have lost lots of inches (2 dress sizes). I suspect to lose more weight I would have to do something drastic! I would love to lose another 1/2 stone but .... I am focusing more about looking strong and lean rather than what the scales actually say. Had a choir concert yesterday so was wearing a long black strapless dress and had lots of people commenting on my arms and shoulders (positively!) so that was a bit of a boost smile

Well done to all the losers and keep the faith if you have STS or gained.

Mouseface Mon 23-Sep-13 14:44:39

Lily - I can take anything but NOTHING WORKS anymore because of the fact that I've been on Morphine (240mg twice a day plus concentrated liquid morphine when needed throughout the day) for 2/3 years! So, I take a mixture of senna, and OTC laxatives, and I take something called Pukka Organic Triphala Plus which is from a herbalist currently.

I've tried lactulose, movicol, fybogel, suppositories, erm, pretty much everything and I get to the point where I don't want to eat because I hurt so much sad

I drink loads of water to help ease things along when they do move as such, sorry, TMI blush

I hate it because I'm so slim everywhere else, skinny even, but I have this belly of hard waste.


Torro - I thought I had an underactive thyroid so went and had a blood test done at the GP, I'd advise that with the symptoms that you've posted, just to get an MOT smile xx

googoogoggles Mon 23-Sep-13 15:11:40

Mouse that's awful! I've no idea what to suggest tablet-wise – have you considered colonic irrigation (if you could bear it). It sounds terribly drastic but I've a friend who did it a couple of times a few years ago and she said it really helped her...

googoogoggles Mon 23-Sep-13 15:17:24

Oh, and 2lbs off for me this week.
Yes, would have loved to see a bigger loss but I'm really hoping that some fat has gone, not just water.
I am going to try keep going with Bootcamp this week as I really want to start burning off fat reserves and last BC I relaxed into Bootcamp light too quickly until I was eating yoghurt/berries with flaxseed most days, with alcohol during the week as well as at weekends and too many treat squares of dark chocolate so my weight loss stalled.
Well done everyone for any losses great or small, and chin up to those who've struggled a bit or not yet had a loss (despite being good)
We'll get there!

loopyloou Mon 23-Sep-13 15:44:39

Doris, have you tried celery with Philadelphia? I also take a pot of cucumber slices in HM dressing or mayo to work. Plus slices of cold grilled streaky bacon or pork scratchings.

loopyloou Mon 23-Sep-13 15:45:25

Sorry, Doris, just seen you asked for veggie snacks. blush

Stopping by for motivation & food ideas.

I failed miserably last week due to post holiday blues & a stinking cold (excuses, excuses blush) but am on the wagon again as I want to be slimmer by Christmas (and fit back into my clothes).

So, today I've had

FF Greek Yog for breakfast
Curried cauliflower soup for lunch (from a recipe on a previous boot camp)
Snacks have been celery with pate, and raw cauliflower with full fat cream cheese.

Dinner later is roasted gammon joint with broccoli and sauteed leeks & cabbage.

Does that sound OK for boot camp?

BerylStreep Mon 23-Sep-13 16:05:53

Torrorosso - I'm convinced I am hypothyroid too. However my tests keep coming back at just over the sub-clinical level (consistently for the last 6 years). I can't keep going back and asking for my thyroid to be checked again, but my GP agrees I am symptomatic. Apparently it is widely recognised that about 20% of the sample of people that they use to calculate the 'normal' range are in fact undiagnosed hypothyroid, so it means that the normal range actually includes a level which would be treated in other countries. In the US, they treat at much lower levels.

MillieMoomay I hope you get your house sale sorted - what a horrible thing of the seller to do.

Well done all on your losses.

ImATotJeSuisUneTot Mon 23-Sep-13 16:27:54

I had a consultant appointment this afternoon, orthopaedic. He clearly wasn't very interested as the condition isn't causing me pain. It is however a big deal to me, and I've been passed around various hospital departments for the past nine months trying to get a diagnosis.

Anyway He suggested losing weight would make a difference. He was'nt even looking at me - he'd barely looked at me from the start, just spouting spiel.

I told him I was at the bottom of a normal BMI now, and actually, I'd lost 30lbs recently - and was that advice really all he could come up with?

I'm not normally so rude. But then I'm not normally presented with such pompous people.

janmoomoo Mon 23-Sep-13 16:39:13

I am starting week 5, but my weightloss has been:

Week 1 lost seven pounds (carrying much bloating after a heavy weekend)
Week 2 gained 1.5 pounds
Week 3 lost 3.25 pounds
Week 4 gained 1.25 pounds.

So overall I have lost seven pounds in four weeks, and I have been really strict, no slip ups apart from a couple of diet cokes in four weeks. I am now worried that most of this is glycogen and water and I haven't really lost any weight at all in four weeks. But I suppose that as long as the losses are bigger than the gains then all is OK. I am going to stay on bootcamp for another ten days until I go on holiday, and hope for another loss this week.

B: scrambled eggs with butter on a big slice of ham
L: Cold pork, salad with dressing, celery with philly
D: Sausages, brocolli, vinaigrette

B: yogurt and cream, 2 streaky bacon
L: tuna mayo, salad, pork scratchings
D: chicken breast, mashed cauli with butter

AuntieMaggie Mon 23-Sep-13 16:52:06

2lbs down this week- at least its going in the right direction!

Well done everyone smile

NewStartNewStory Mon 23-Sep-13 17:13:35

Iamatot sometimes you have to be a tad blunt to get an answer. it is a very frustrating aspect of the nhs.

janmoomoo Mon 23-Sep-13 17:28:19

Meant to say - that greek yogurt from Lidl is blumin deelish. I could have eaten the whole bucket.

Finbar Mon 23-Sep-13 17:31:12

Hi again -
Need HELP as I've disappeared off the Spreadsheet ( gutted)!!

(Please ignore previous postings about this on the other Bootcamp threads - just trying to catch up with each thread)

Can one of you Spreadsheet guardian put me back on please?!

Just made a flaxseed muffin-in-a-minute. Might need to try adding different flavours, but it wasn't bad. Speedy and very very filling. Good breakfast option occasionally I guess.

AuntieMaggie Mon 23-Sep-13 18:29:28

Crabby I've just had your cauli cheese recipe (minus the almonds, bacon and leeks...) for dinner with gammon and I think I love you blush I was a bit worried I wouldn't like it as I don't like the braised cabbage thing (too rich) but it was lovely... going to try the chicken curry later in the week.

Purple2012 Mon 23-Sep-13 18:41:31

I have had chicken broccoli and cauliflower in a cream cheese sauce for tea. It was so filling I couldn't eat it all.

Just going to prepare my food for tomorrow.

twistyfeet Mon 23-Sep-13 18:57:37

Another 2 pounds gone despite 2 days stuck in a place where only carbs were avaialble. why arent there carb free snacks outside the home? I ended up eating cheese strings <boak>
I also managed to make courgette noodles despite thinking courgettes were the food of the devil. Not bad. Might go and do some more in butter.

B. Boiled egg in mayo
L. creamy mushroom soup
S. nuts n cheese
D. stir fried mushrooms, tofu, onions with courgette noodles

snack coming right up. More courgette noodles grin

BerylStreep Mon 23-Sep-13 19:03:57

Shiratake noodles are great too, and zero carb. I get mine in my local asian supermarket, but I am reliably informed that Holland & Barratt do them too.

whodunnit Mon 23-Sep-13 19:14:07

no loss or gain for me this week ( end of third week for me)

I found Stuntnun's link veryinteresting and realise that now Ihave not really got hunger anymore, I need to eat less. Womder if I am adding too much fat. 1 tablespoon of butter when cooking...too much?

300 calories to not eat or use up for each pound of fat, according to stuntnins link. So we are still in the eat less, move more game, which makes sense to me. We have just adjusted ourt food types to stave off hunger. Tell me if I am wrong, please.

Tofay I had no breakfast as I was saving myself for the weigh in on the work scales. Lunch tuna mayo n lettuce. Dinner cabbage, celeriac, celery, mushroom, courgette soup with cream. No snacks.

Well dne Charlie on the half marathon.. I am dead impressed!

loopyloou Mon 23-Sep-13 19:36:12

B: egg mayo with bacon
L: chicken in mayo with salad with HM dressing
D: burgers with Stilton, fried mushrooms, buttered asparagus and salad.
S: yoghurt with extra thick cream!

googoogoggles Mon 23-Sep-13 19:52:42

Think the traditional formula is 3500 calories per llb of fat Whodunnit - so you'd have to have a daily deficit of 500 calories (or burn some of those calories off through exercise) to lose 1lb of fat a week, so 7000 for 2lbs etc but there's a lot of debate on-line about whether this formula is accurate (and what's being burned off – lean protein or fat – depending on your build.

Think I may start re-reading Briffa book this eve...

whodunnit Mon 23-Sep-13 20:05:21


Yes you are right it is 3500 calories per pound of fat - my number five key does not work and I forgot! What is the briffa book? I have just ordered the atkins book so I can have all the carb counts of veg to hand.

starrystarryknut Mon 23-Sep-13 20:46:41

holmes what is the flax seed muffin in a minute? Recipe please!

Wow Mouse that sounds AWFUL I'm so sorry.

I think you are right whodunnit except its important also to eat enough calories in fat to make sure the body doesn't think its in starvation mode and lower the metabolism. Confusing huh - somewhere between enough and not too much.

whodunnit Mon 23-Sep-13 20:55:29

thanks Lily. All helpful. And easy to get wrong I expect as fat is packed with calories. Not that we weigh things on this diet, but I guess we have to keep an eye.

I do remember meeting a bloke who lost lots of stones of weight and claimed to eat as much steak as he wanted all the time. But I think he must have been exaggerating.

dementedma Mon 23-Sep-13 20:55:32

Failed miserably and have been massive car by twat due to feeling ill and totm.
Will try and get back into it.

whodunnit Mon 23-Sep-13 20:57:55

My DD are delighted as I m now cooking exciting food for them not the boring old stuff I always did. This is good.

whodunnit Mon 23-Sep-13 20:58:55

go on, demented. you can do it.

BIWI Cote D'Ivoire Mon 23-Sep-13 21:12:23

I'm a bit hmm at all this talk of calorie counting. We don't count calories at this point of low carbing, and you definitely shouldn't start restricting the fat. This is a low carb/high fat way of eating remember!

whodunnit - I think it's worth you having a read of Dr Briffa's book, "Escape the Diet Trap" - it will explain it much better than I can! And it absolutely is not about 'eat less move more'!

BIWI Cote D'Ivoire Mon 23-Sep-13 21:19:46

have a read of this piece by Gary Taubes It's a bit long, but it's really worth it.

Eat less, move more doesn't work

BIWI Cote D'Ivoire Mon 23-Sep-13 21:20:29

demented - sorry you're feeling ill.

Starry - it's 1/4 cup of milled flaxseed, 1/2 tsp baking powder, 1 beaten egg, 1tsp oil. Then you can add various things to make it either sweet or savoury (cinnamon or cocoa and a bit of sweetener, a small handful of berries or a bit of cheese, herbs, spices, whatever). Put ingredients in a mug, stir well and microwave on high for 1 min.

Stuntnun and starry
The IPD cookbook is the Idiot Proof Diet which is by India Knightand Nerys Thomas which has some fab recipes in.

In the actual IPD book there is a great chapter on emotional eating.

I have been on a course today where it was extremely difficult to go for breaks so I didn't drink as much water as I should have done.

whodunnit - I can highly recommend the Dr Briffa book to explain the science behind it all.

In weeks 3-5 where your body is stabilising and you aren't losing weight it can be common to think fuck it and not bother. As well as weighing make sure you measure as you can lose inches rather than lbs.
Pag - you sound like a case in point if your clothes are fitting better but you haven't lost much on the scales.

Remember the health benefits too.
No sugar =no thrush
Better skin, hair and nails through eating fat.Which is good for you,despite what the carby twats and the government have been telling us for years.

Lets have it right, the only reason we were told to eat 5 a day is that a group of fruit companies sponsoring a study told us to! That ladies, is just the tip of the ice berg

BIWI Cote D'Ivoire Mon 23-Sep-13 21:59:42

And Pag - you are teeny tiny so there can't be much of you to disappear anyway!

demented - think about what you have eaten and why you have eaten it. Is your eating linked to emotional eating?
Perhaps you would benefit from reading the IPD chapter on emotional eating. It really is like a lightbulb moment.
I'm not saying I don't revert to type - after all I was conditioned for 40 years to use food as a comfort and in times of extreme stress thats exactly what I do. However the times that I do that are fewer and fewer since LC and identifying my triggers.

Its my choice what I put into my mouth and I just didn't want to be overweight and miserable any more.

After LC for 8 months I came off my AD's completely and have been a different person.

whodunnit Mon 23-Sep-13 22:08:50

BIWI and justasmallglass: thanks for the advice. I guess I am just trying to make sense of what seems like a weird (but very pleasant) diet when it goes against everything we have ever been told. I read the article and see the point. I need to buy the Brffa book now.

I do very much like the fact that my teeth must be better off without all the sugar. I am still on this or in this or whatever the phrase is just curious. Off to Amazon I go, then.....

Livelongandprosper Mon 23-Sep-13 22:10:43

Marking my place on this week's thread. 1lb off this week, very happy with that. Have started running too. Blimey.

whodunnit - the more info you have the better really, especially if you feel you have to defend your food choices to other people.
For the DC I just say that wheat makes my stomach sore but for DH I try and explain to him the science bit. I would love to convert the whole family to Paleo but not quite there yet.

There was a Q and A session on Mumsnet with Dr Briffa last year - BIWI may be able to link? Is it on your low carb welcome bit?

BIWI Cote D'Ivoire Mon 23-Sep-13 22:16:59

The Briffa book is very good. If you are up for some 'light' reading, then the Taubes book "The Diet Delusion" is really good - but it's a massive tome!

Livelong - woo hoo!

CrabbyBigBottom Mon 23-Sep-13 23:32:58

Thanks Stunt, I do drink plenty of water and will definitely try alternating glasses of wine and water. The trouble is that once I start drinking, it slips down so easily! blush

Loopy it's this one... It was expensive at £6 but it's lasted since July and there's still some left. You grind it onto yoghurt and you can feel a lovely little vanilla crunch as you eat it!

Millie how infuriating! Did you track him down and exchange?

New go on gal - sock it to those carby twats!! I know you can do it.

Welcome Encyclogirl and Bastard. Great names! grin

Twit can't you take piriton tablets?

Auntie well thank you! grin Glad you liked it!

I've stayed the same this week (about half a pound off, I think). sad Oh well. I made a low carb cream tea today and it was bloody amazing! DD's dad's recently ex girlfriend (whaddaya mean you're confused?! grin) came down to visit her today so I thought I'd make afternoon tea. I baked the almond sponge in the IPD cookbook, which came out about an inch thick. I cut it into heart shaped 'scones' with a cookie cutter and served them with raspberries, clotted cream and toasted almond flakes (DD's idea), and jam for DD and her ex-sort-of-stepmother. They were deeeeeeeelicious and I had the leftover bits for pudding too. blush

Other food...
Bulletproof decaf coffee
Mozzarella, parma ham, tomatoes
D - black farmer chipolatas with wild field mushrooms given to us by a frind, and bubble and squeak made with mashed swede and the first brussel sprouts of the season. Yum.

loopyloou Mon 23-Sep-13 23:53:51

Thanks Crabby, unfortunately link not working on my iPad. hmm I'll try and get on my pc tomorrow.

NewStartNewStory Tue 24-Sep-13 06:40:52

I am impressed crabby that must have meant a lot for dd. Ds has struggled with losing his dad's ex's from his life in the past. Tbh i hope he is sensible enough to keep his current gf as she is bloody brilliant in knocking some sense into him grin

That is the plan Crabby yesterdays was pretty good. More struggled with the comfort frame of mind (and having to be on the confectionery isle) and eating 3 meals things. I struggle with 3 meals when I have been a carby twat. Actually I struggle with the concept of 3 meals.

Early breakfast this morning. Will be ready for lunch as I am about to drag my tired self to the gym for some gentle cardio work. If I am honest I would rather have slept another 2 hrs.

Is anyone else noticing any other benefits from this WOE yet? I can't say I've seen any difference to hair, teeth or skin yet, but I do think I feel a bit calmer and more balanced without the sugar/carb rushes. I can be a bit anxious normally, but am feeling really quite chilled out (which is surprising as I have just started a new job for the first time in 10 years, which should be pretty stressful!).

Cherrypi Tue 24-Sep-13 07:50:32

Lost another half a pound. Exactly 12 stone now. 0.25lb to go till I'm in the 11s yay.

prettybird Tue 24-Sep-13 07:56:11

I was complimented at the weekend about the way my shape has changed! smile

1lb off again - but there again, --I've not fully managed to get back in to the Zone--blush I've just done doing Boot Camp Lite.

sorry finbar - i see you've already found your way here! i've added you to the spreadsheet

lavenderhoney Tue 24-Sep-13 08:07:27

I have been visited by the whoosh fairysmile between weigh in yesterday and today ( always weigh myself, just a habit I'm not stressed by it adds hurriedly) I have lost 2.5llb!

To quote Rupbrekt " butter and water, butter and water"

As I serve dishes on the table and we all serve ourselves, dc don't really notice my plate piled with veg and i skip carbs. However I have noticed that dc are slowly not bothering with carbs and having more veg- they leave the carbs til last. Unless its Yorkshire puddingsmile

discussion about results of swedish systematic review into dietary treatment of weight loss released yesterday - suggests low carbing is most effective, or at least not the fad diet that many perceive it - it has links to the original reports so you can judge for yourself, though it is in swedish and the links show it in google translate which doesn't exactly make it all that easy to read in english!

Lifeisontheup Tue 24-Sep-13 08:32:53

I find a bulletproof coffee has a 'moving' effect on my insides. Normally within five minutes.
I can't quite believe I've given up sugar/sweetener in coffee. I do have cinnamon and sometimes ginger though.

LCHammer Tue 24-Sep-13 08:35:23

Thanks for the link willie. That should gradually make its way into 'mainstream' medical knowledge. I'll go back to reading it properly.

bettybigballs Tue 24-Sep-13 08:35:53

Morning all, had a much better day yesterday and now feel far more in the swing of everything.

Crabby, your cream tea sounds wonderful!

B: cream cheese pancakes with extra butter
L: chicken leg with veg
D: leftover Bol with courgette spag and Parmesan

Did much better on the water front yesterday too, had to get up three times in the night to go to the loo though!

Have a crazy weekend coming up though so shopping for handbag snacks to keep me on the straight and narrow.

Happy Tuesday losers!

captainmummy Tue 24-Sep-13 08:36:06

It's very interesting, Willie. Message is getting through!
Holmes - I suffered from Rosacea and noticed almost straighaway how improved my skin was.

And remember - FAT doesn't make you fat; carbs do! It is hard to stop 'counting calories' as we are still surrounded by dieticians who should know better by know who keep telling us calories-in, calories-out; but a calorie is not always a calorie!

ImATotJeSuisUneTot Tue 24-Sep-13 08:58:16

Still really quite poorly. The sickness has been replaced by trouble the other end. Last night I thought I was ok and had my tea but obviously not.

This is my second day off work - I teach food tech so really can't be in when I'm like this.

Usually I would have toast to settle my stomach, have avoided so far but think I might just have to.

Any advise over anything else I could try ?

loopyloou Tue 24-Sep-13 09:11:52

Very interesting Willie, thanks for sharing that smile

BIWI Cote D'Ivoire Tue 24-Sep-13 09:37:34

Sorry you're still not well, ImATot. Could you tolerate a little bit of full fat yoghurt? Assuming it has live bacteria in it, that might help settle things, but will certainly help deal with the nasties in your gut.

ImATotJeSuisUneTot Tue 24-Sep-13 10:00:59

Ive had some yogurt already this morning. My stomach is gurgling away but so far its stayed down. I think i'll just see how I go for a bit now.

loopyloou Tue 24-Sep-13 10:32:24

ImaTot, have you tried some camomile tea to settle your tum? Or peppermint tea? I must admit last time I had an upset tum whilst low carbing I did have some plain boiled white rice because I couldn't face anything else. But definitely agree, live yoghurt will help with the good bacteria. Or probiotic capsules.

CrabbyBigBottom Tue 24-Sep-13 10:36:14

Loopy you can't see the link because I forgot to put it in. D'oh! It's this one, but I can't find it on the websites of either Waitrose or the company that makes it, Taylor & Colledge. confused I hope they haven't stopped making it. I'll have a look in Waitrose next time I'm in there. They do a vanilla bean paste, I see on the website, that might have that gritty effect that's so yummy in yoghurt. Not sure though. Watch this space! grin

New it's hard on kids when people come and go from their lives. xDP has had several girlfriends who have really cared about DD but the relationships haven't lasted. This most recent ex has been around for 3 or 4 years though and DD referred to her as her stepmother and her family as hers - her 'cousin' etc. I do get a bit exasperated with xDP because he's known for a long time that he's not in love with her and doesn't want to live with her or take the relationship any further, yet he's just let things drift along with her thinking everything is fine and DD getting used to having that whole family thing. She's a really nice woman and adores xDP and DD. sad xDP told DD that they'd split up but then it's me who DD asks about why it happened, me who the ex wants to communicate with about seeing DD because she's too distraught to deal with xDP, and me who had to sit making conversation all afternoon and then try to give advice when DD went off to play minecraft and this poor woman tells me how desperately hurt and confused she is! hmm Grumph! Sometimes I want to shake some sense into him! grin

Anyway I hope you have a better day today. I know there's been a lot of talk on here about emotional eating and trying to conquer that. For me personally, food and wine is one of my greatest pleasures in life and there will always be an emotional component to that. It will never be just fuel to me and I wouldn't want it to be (nor would DP). So for me it's about finding comfort food that isn't just sugary shit. I still want that comfort, but I'm finding recipes that give me that feeling without me getting the urge to run amok in the confectionery isle. wink Am I right in remembering that you have had issues with food in the past?

That cream tea yesterday really hit the 'treat' button. I know we're breaking our addiction to sweet tastes and it wasn't particularly sweet but it was oh so creamy and light! I'll post the recipe later for anyone who doesn't have the IPD cookbook. It might work for your dicky tummy as a toast replacement too ImATot?

I have to be able to get excited about my food and that's why I love this WOE - it's so bloody delicious!

crabby this is the vanilla powder i buy - it's six vanilla pods ground up. it ain't cheap but one pot lasts months and months because you only need about half a pinch at a time. i bought a pot for my mum's christmas stocking!

ImATotJeSuisUneTot Tue 24-Sep-13 11:07:41

We have chamomile tea, as DP drinks it at night, we might have peppermint too (he's a fruit/herbal tea fiend) - i'll have a look when I next get up off the sofa. grin

NewStartNewStory Tue 24-Sep-13 11:58:58

Crabby you are indeed right about the issues with food. Serious issues with food. I found my way here last year for the run up to christmas bootcamp not long after I had been given a choice: stop doing what I was doing or expect to be dead within 5yrs definitely and probably significantly less. I know I am making lots of mistakes and having so many wobbles on the way but that is the sort term picture. Long term picture is having to completely relearn my approach to food (and by default life). And the fact that I no longer have that prediction hanging over me is down to bootcamp and the support from the regulars. Still not in the best place healthwise but so so much better then I was and this will continue to improve the longer I focus on making this work.

B:3 eggs scrambled
During snack: 1x diet coke 500ml bottle (no ideal but got a bit wobbly in training and they were trying to convince me to eat something sugary)
Post training snack: 10 peanuts (yeah I actually counted) and some dairy free yoghurt after doing the weekly shop

Am about to go grab a salad for lunch.

tenementfunster Tue 24-Sep-13 14:28:26

2 and a quarter on this week.
accounted for : lemsip, treacly cough mixture and period
clothes looser tho

googoogoggles Tue 24-Sep-13 14:53:45

I recently bought that vanilla grinder Willie – I haven't tried it yet as am trying to NOT to eat Total yoghurt for a while longer as I can easily scoff a whole massive tub in one sitting (yes, I'm that greedy)
I had to make myself eat today as I wasn't in the slightest bit hungry when I got up and then lost track of time working – am at home today. So, I've just had several soft boiled eggs and some home-made coleslaw and, to be honest, feel a bit sick... (probably ate too fast)
Got pilates this eve and best not to eat before or I can't do the core exercises but I've planned lamb chops and buttered greens for later (while watching Bake Off!)

BIWI Cote D'Ivoire Tue 24-Sep-13 15:22:35

tenementfunster - hope you're feeling better now. Don't worry too much about this week's gain - getting through illness is much more important than worrying about your weight.

googoo yes i have to buy the small pots of total yoghurt. they are more expensive but i'm less likely to scoff it all!

Lifeisontheup Tue 24-Sep-13 15:56:36

Why am I craving sweet things today? I've not cheated at all and it was going so well. I haven't given in yet, will have another bulletproof coffee and see if that cures the craving.

tenementfunster Tue 24-Sep-13 16:11:21

thanks, BIWI. it makes a difference to have the support. Also, before i would've just opened the biscuits and thought sod it I'm ill.
that's a bit of a turning point for an emotional eater, not heading for sweet stuff.

BIWI Cote D'Ivoire Tue 24-Sep-13 16:24:36

Well done! And that virtuous feeling is so lovely. I love a bit of smuggery grin

Life - hard isn't it? Those pesky carbs really have their claws in us. I find a piece of cheese in those instances can help. Even if it isn't what I want to eat, having eaten it is does seem to help.

janx Tue 24-Sep-13 16:37:36

I was in a boring meeting today- there were loads of biscuits. Normally I would have had a few but I looked at them and thought do I really want them? And I resisted smile

Lifeisontheup Tue 24-Sep-13 16:42:33

Just had some ham and the coffee, seems to have knocked the pesky carbs on the head.
Perhaps I should try some visualisation exercises.. a big hammer knocking evil goblin-like carbs on the head and squishing them.

MrsSnuffleupagus Tue 24-Sep-13 17:02:29

ok so far today
breakfast- an egg fried in butter ( all we had left, have since been shopping)
lunch- h/m coleslaw, left over roast chicken and courgette fried in butter
snacks- small bowl of total yog and pate on cucumber slices- I seem to be starving today
dinner will be baked fish on a bed of ratatoille

one normal tea, two fruit teas and gallons of water.

Does this sound a bit light on the fat front to anyone or ok?

Hello everyone, haven't had a chance to catch up properly but had some blood tests last week. I have been eating low carb high fat (think sea salt crystal butter by the truck load) for over a year now. My blood sugars (hba1c) is the lowest it has ever been, in the excellent category (for a diabetic this is amazeballs tbh!) and my cholesterol was also its lowest ever - again in the excellent category and all on the right proportions (as a diabetic my targets are lower too). All my results were amazing, and because I get them done every 3-9 months I can see what an improvement this is having on my health. I realise that not everyone has the opportunity to see their results laid out in black and white like that, so I thought I would share and hopefully perhaps help reassure that eating good fat doesn't equal high cholesterol and stuff!

ImATotJeSuisUneTot Tue 24-Sep-13 20:06:05

Oh, wow, MrsHP that's fantastic. Lovely to read!

loopyloou Tue 24-Sep-13 20:09:28

Today my dh treated me to a day out, just the 2 of us, as we've had no holiday due to him being out of work at present and also hadn't celebrated our wedding anniversary 2 weeks ago. We wandered round a nearby beautiful old city and unfortunately succumbed to a small piece of cake and one beer. Otherwise stuck to lc WOE and will drink lots and be strict tomorrow.

B: egg mayo and bacon
L: sausage
D: chilli without beans or rice with yoghurt and grated cheese
S: pork scratchings, cake, beer! hmm (But it was lovely!)

That's brilliant, Mrs HP - and very reassuring that we are all doing the right thing!

B: flax muffin with a smear of peanut butter
L: Leftover lamb and veg curry
D: big salad with oily dressing, some mozzarella and ham and avocado

Quick question - I think I'm eating a fair amount of fat, mostly in the form of olive oil or coconut oil, but not much butter - is that ok?

AuntieMaggie Tue 24-Sep-13 20:37:57

I wasn't hungry today so didn't eat til dinner which was a meal out -I had chicken with corgette, leeks and mushrooms in a cheese sauce with salad and a large glass of water. Didn't even look at the bread (yay me)

Now tomorrow night is a buffet restaurant meal... I'm going to really try not to stray... what is the view on salsas?

BastardDog Tue 24-Sep-13 21:22:41

I'm another one that's not really been hungry today, but nevertheless has managed to eat some really scrummy food.

B 2 coffees with cream and a bit of cheese
L mixed salad with avocado and smoked salmon with ff mayo
D pork steak fried in butter with cauliflower cheese

Pleased to read MrsHerculePoirots blood results. Thanks for letting us know.

googoogoggles Tue 24-Sep-13 22:01:33

That's really great news re blood tests MrsHP
I'm no good advising re fat content MrsSnuflepagus as I'm still feeling my way with this WOE a bit, but I'm sure there'll be someone along to advise shortly. Perhaps though, being hungry indicates you do need to up the fat?

whodunnit Tue 24-Sep-13 22:15:21

Had a good day today

B 2 boiled eggs with mayo n cucmber
L ham wrapped around cheese spread
S pepperoni
D1 feta n olives n walnut halves
D2 green cabbage n broccoli with butter, sardine.

Have been frying everything in butter till no, but wonder if the idea is add butter at the end rather than cook in it. What do you think?

Ruprekt Tue 24-Sep-13 22:30:48

B...2 eggs

L....chicken tikka with rocket and cream cheese

D....fajita chicken with creamy cheesey leeks and fried courgettes
3 pieces dark choc


Hi all.

Great result on bloods MrsHP.

I woke up late this morning so totally forgot to weigh again. And being a carby twat at the weekend has made last couple of days hard. But I have stick to bootcamp except for the water. Really need to sort that tomorrow.

B - slice of ham with cream cheese and a slice of cheese
S - two slices of corned beef
Late lunch of celery with pâté
D - selection of Waitrose mini burgers with salad and coleslaw and guacamole

Today -
B - two slices ham with cream cheese
Out for coffee with a friend - American with cream and resisted her fruity flapjack!
Great shopping spree and ended up home late for lunch - had picnic plate of cold meat and coleslaw and egg mayo
D - DS wanted Dominos. I was very tempted. But had bolognaise with cheese instead.

MrsSnuffleupagus Wed 25-Sep-13 06:11:56

Thanks googoo I was thinking the same to be honest....

mrssnuffle if you are hungry then eat more and/or up the fat a bit - you shouldn't feel hungry and the beauty f this woe is that you never need to!

ImATotJeSuisUneTot Wed 25-Sep-13 07:49:47

Whodunnit I tend to add my butter at the end, as I find it can burn.

I cook sliced mushrooms and onions in a little water for 10 mins or so to soften them, then add some butter to fry/brown them. I've always done it this way, the butter is a new addition though! grin

Pleaseandthankyou Wed 25-Sep-13 08:10:21

I am so glad I found the last boot camp. I have just had 2 eggs with a huge knob of butter and a large dollop of mayo . Delicious. Who would have thought you could eat like this and lose weight. Thanks all for all the inspiring posts. Was a bit worried about cholesterol. Will have it checked in a month or two

captainmummy Wed 25-Sep-13 08:18:33

That's great news about the cholesterol, MrsHP!
please - she is not the first poster to have great blood results; - i can't think of a single poster who had bloods done who has had bad results (been LCing over a year) so I conclude that LCHF is NOT bad for your cholesterol! (cholesterol test themselves are flawed and no indicator of heart-problems, but that is by-the-by...)

bettybigballs Wed 25-Sep-13 08:46:08

MrsHP - that's fantastic news, I love hearing how LC benefits overall health. There's still so much anti LC feeling out there that you do find yourself questioning it from time to time.

Having a good week so far, organisation is the biggest help for me, having lots of suitible food to hand to take to work or snack on makes a massive difference to my frame if mind towards this WOE.

B: cream cheese pancake with butter
L: either avocado and mozzerella salad or chicken kebab and salad
D: tbc - prob finishing off the leftover Bol from Monday - three nights in a row are a bit dull but I hate wasting food.

I made some cauliflower cheese and almond bites I saw on Pinterest last night- grim, total soggy, mouldy tasting disaster. Bloody Pinterest - makes lots of not so nice things look amazing!

cathyandclaire Wed 25-Sep-13 09:06:19

Morning, weighing in late this week due to TOTM and a 3lb gain on Monday sad anyway slooshed back buckets of water and am back to where I was...
B:bacon and egg
L: Braised cabbage and left over chicken
S: Celery and boursin
D: Pulled pork and salad

fitflopqueen Wed 25-Sep-13 09:47:06

I weigh on a Wednesday and 1lb down so 5lb down over past 2 weeks for me.
notable on jeans belt,
work trousers very loose on waist.
B 2 hardboiled eggs
L Celery soup with dollop of cream
D Salmon fillet, probably with ratatouille.
Snack - Celery and philly

Mrs Snuffle I think your menu looks good as long as you baked the cod with plenty of butter and didn't hold back with the oil in the ratatouille.

Crabby aren't you lovely to be so friendly to an exDP's partner (ex-partner). It could be such a difficult relationship.

My weight's a little down again today which I find cheering and still a bit surprising too (it feels like unchartered territory, I haven't been this light in such a long time.) Its great though. I had to run yesterday (we're talking 100 metres - I'd set off on the school run but forgotten something so ran back home) and it felt completely different, much easier. BUT... frankly 100 metres was enough, I also thought, That BIWI running 5K. RESPECT.

bigkidsdidit Wed 25-Sep-13 11:04:46

Crabby could you post that recipe? I could do with a treat!

LeaveIt Wed 25-Sep-13 11:22:48

Morning all! I'm hoping to join you all. Can you tell me if it is low carb, high fat you are doing? Or just low carb? Thanks

silverangel Wed 25-Sep-13 11:33:56

Morning all,

Leaveit - have a look at the first bootcamp thread - all the rules are at the top but basically, low carb high fat.

I am starving today - what's going on, havent bee nreally hungry for ages. yesterday I had:

B - FF yog with vanilla extract and two sloces chorizo
L - Corned beef salad with coleslaw
D - thai pork mince stir fry

Today, so far, I have had:

B - FF greek yog with vanilla extract, couple of slices smoked pork sausage, M&S chicken bites with satay dip (didnt eat the dip), snack sized portion of cheese from M&S.

And I'm still hungry!! What's going on? I have left bolognese for lunch but really cant eat that at my desk at 11.30...

have also had a litre of water already in case it's thirst...

LeaveIt Wed 25-Sep-13 11:42:25

Brilliant thanks silverangel

AuntieMaggie Wed 25-Sep-13 12:41:24

Another 2lbs off so thats 6lbs so far (dunno why i weighed this morning - i just got an urge!

crabby I would also like the recipe please smile

ofcoursethisisanamechange Wed 25-Sep-13 12:50:11

Hello all- have convinced my husband to go LC as well- which is great. He's asking a few questions though- about dairy, etc, and I'm not sur eof the answers- do I remember BIWI posting some links to articles explaining the science behind bootcamp? if anyone could post I would be very grateful..... and have stalled a bit, so just trying to stay motivated...

googoogoggles Wed 25-Sep-13 13:24:14

B Coffee with dollop of cream (lovely!)
L Black farmer sausages with mushrooms sauteed in butter (working from home again)
D tbc Maybe tuna mayo lettuce wraps with extra bits of veg chopped in
Doing extra sausages so have some for snack/lunch tomorrow

ofcourse - there are lots of links to resources and explanations on the spreadsheet of fabulousness.
My DH has stopped having certain carbs at certain meals in the last couple of weeks but not managed to full on LC so well done!

B - cheese and mushroom omlette
L - Dreamy creamy spinach soup. This is LUSH -tastes just like pesto. In fact my DC call it pesto soup
D - shepherds pie a la celeriac

ofcoursethisisanamechange Wed 25-Sep-13 16:01:10

ah- thanks Justa-- hadn't thought of the spreadsheet!

BIWI Cote D'Ivoire Wed 25-Sep-13 16:26:47

ofcourse - it's really worth getting hold of a copy of "Escape the Diet Trap" by Dr John Briffa. It explains everything really clearly.

Lily - grin - I didn't just get up and run 5K you know. I did start a while ago to build up to that distance!

as well as the spreadsheet, biwi has written some articles:

what is the low carb diet?
how low carb diets work
what is low carb bootcamp?

Lovely to hear about the health benefits, but I'm a bit sad that the scales aren't moving for me. I had that crazy 8lb loss, which presumably was water, and I've just been pinging around between that and my original weight ever since - few pounds back on, then back off again. Any ideas?

ofcoursethisisanamechange Wed 25-Sep-13 17:35:31

I'm the same holmes-- but am optomistic it will start again- just really trying to stay motivated...

ofcoursethisisanamechange Wed 25-Sep-13 17:37:33

thanks for those links Willie- very helpful

ImATotJeSuisUneTot Wed 25-Sep-13 17:40:34

Just checking in, finally feeling better, and have a renewed vigour too.

B- Greek yogurt

L- Mexican chicken and frittata.

D- Mexican chicken and chorizo with spring greens, cheese and sour cream.

Snack - a whole tin of anchovies! Just REALLY fancied them! gringrin

B: omelette, bulletproof coffee
L: Salad with salami, avocado and a little mozzarella, oily dressing
D: deeeelicious prawn and aubergine red thai curry

Silverangel I didn't spot any veg or salad in your breakfast or lunch. I think I'd get hungry without that element at each meal. But also, some days you just are hungrier (eg around TOTM, maybe depending how active you are, etc).

I've stayed the same this week - not surprised as I ate rice and beans and drank wine on Saturday and then had pastry/ bready canapes on sunday.
Saturday was unavoidable without seeming extremely rude but Sunday was lack of planning and being starving in the wrong place! blush

holmes - now then what does BIWI tell us about weeks 3-5.
You may "Stall" which is not really stalling.

Have you measured yourself (god I am boring myself now!)

MotherOfSoupDragon Wed 25-Sep-13 21:10:00

Can I join in too? I've taken part in previous bootcamps, but have NC'ed and would like to join in again. I have about a stone to lose.

Of course!! The more the merrier grin

Justasmallgless - no, haven't measured, but given that the stuff I've read about lc says that the initial big weightloss is largely water, I'm wondering ig I've really lost any 'proper' weight at all sad. Which, considering that I started early, is a bit depressing.

holmes yes your inital big weightloss is usually water. However if you have been sticking to bootcamp rules your body may just be adjusting. have you started exercising at the same time as your muscles can retain water to repair them.

Don't despair - it really does work. Try the measurement thing and keep going at least for a coupe of weeks.

Also think of all the health benefits.
No farting
No thrush

Just to name a couple grin

NewStartNewStory Wed 25-Sep-13 23:53:45

Clearer skin
clearer brain function
better sleep patterns

for a couple more... wink

I have found that having baby bel and soya yoghurts in the house again is helping me. Not sure what the scales will make though next week as have had a bit of an accident not actually a serious thing but i am pretty much bed ridden as they haven given me ibuprofen which does bad things to my blood pressure. Hopefully I should be off that next week so fingers crossed. after that point...

CrabbyBigBottom Wed 25-Sep-13 23:54:27

Willie thanks for vanilla link. Is it quite coarsely ground? I like the gritty effect!

New thank goodness you found Bootcamp then! I'm glad that your health is improving and that you're getting a handle on your food issues. Ingrained beliefs and habits take a while to re-program, I reckon.

Yay MrsHP! Great news about your bloods.

Bigkids and Auntie...
Basic Almond Sponge from the IPD recipe book
2 large eggs
60ml double cream
2 tsp splenda, optional (I didn't use any)
50g melted butter
Pinch salt
120g ground almonds
1 tsp baking powder

Preheat oven to 180*C, gas 4

Separate eggs. Whisk egg whites into soft peaks with an electric whisk.

Put yolks into a mixing bowl with the splenda if you're using it, cream, salt and melted butter. Mix all together then stir in the almonds and baking powder.

Stir in a spoonful of the egg whites to loosen the mixture, then fold in the rest of the egg whites. Put it into a greased sandwich tin and bake for 20 to 30 mins. It says you could microwave it for 4 mins on full power instead. Sounds revolting to me but it'd be quick at least! It should be golden and springy to the touch.

I cut it into 'scones' with a little cutter (heart shaped, aaaah!) but you could just slice it like a cake.

Food yesterday...
B - bulletproof decaff coffee
L - mozzarella, ham, tomatoes, pesto
D - brussel sprout stirfry with chicken and chorizo. It was delicious!
P - fruit crumble shock We went blackberry picking and picked a few damsons as well (I only put a handful in though). I made the crumble topping by rubbing ground almonds with butter until it went a bit lumpy and crumbly, then baked it for a out half an hour until it was golden and a bit crunchy. Served with clotted cream. God it was good!

B/L - gouda cheese and little tomatoes
S - remaining crumble with cream
D - cauliflower with a mushroom, chicken and chorizo creamy gruyere sauce.

1lb off this morning.

CrabbyBigBottom Thu 26-Sep-13 00:34:51

sad New hope you feel better. Can't they give you something that doesn't affect your BP? Does diclofenac have the same effect?

Lily thank you. I'm not lovely at all really! grin It is a slightly awkward situation as she's a really nice woman but we're quite different and the only thing we have in common really is xDP! Short of comparing notes, I found I was struggling for conversational topics! grin It's lovely that she wants to stay close to DD though. The more people who love a child, the better, imo.

NewStartNewStory Thu 26-Sep-13 01:00:33

I just react to all NSAIDs like that and it is actually in my medical notes that I am not to have them but there is significant fluid build up on the joint and they need it to reduce. They muttered something about a big needle and drawing it off before deciding on this. It is only a week or so and the rest will probably do me some good. I have little pain and other then being too dizzy to stand or sit up for long am ok. Plus I have a very very strong dislike of needles and this seemed less painful option. Besides if i can't wander into the kitchen i won't be in a position to be tempted by stuff i shouldn't be eating. bit of a win really wink

lavenderhoney Thu 26-Sep-13 03:53:13

I having to work this week so no time for keeping up properly, I'm going to do it tonight!

Still doing bootcamp but allowing a few nuts and I have had a couple of g&ts - but I am managing more water easily - which I never thought I would say!

CarefullyDoesIt Thu 26-Sep-13 05:27:50

Pease can some lovely person record my weight for me. 173. Still can't figure it on my iPad. Thanks.

StuntNun Thu 26-Sep-13 07:44:39

If anyone's looking for the Idiot Proof Diet Cookbook, there are quite a few on eBay for £2.99.

DH was complaining about his 'clown trousers' today! He's wondering whether to keep them in case he puts on weight again. I think as we've managed to sustain this WOE for over three months now he should get rid of anything that was bought while he was bigger. It was quite marked yesterday as his brother was round and when we saw him six weeks ago DH was bigger but now he's noticeably slimmer than his bro.

stuntnun, i call that the 'elephant bum' effect

crabby, i think it could be described as gritty! i haven't tried the one you linked to though, so i can't compare.

bigkidsdidit Thu 26-Sep-13 08:36:58

Thanks crabby thanks

Thanks stuntnun for the IPD cookbook. I have it on my kindle which is useful when out and about for ingredients.
However since the "smashing of the iPad screen in the kitchen with a jar falling out of the cupboard" incident I am loathe to use it!

CrabbyBigBottom Thu 26-Sep-13 09:10:55

shock shock at New's needle and Justa's smashed ipad screen. Both of those made me wince! New I'd rather be bed bound and dizzy than have anything to do with big needles in my joints! <<faints>>

Willie thanks for that, I'll try it. I've just realised how hopelessly middle aged and middle class I am... Once I was young and and lived a trendy (sort of) urban life in gritty north London... now I live in leafy Surrey with a social life that revolves around walking he dog, and 'gritty' refers to a vanilla bean product from Waitrose. What has become of me! grin

StuntNun I threw out all my "big" trousers except one pair that was very well-cut. Keeping them as a kind of insurance, really hope I won't get that big again now I know about this WOE. Can your DH do similar - ditch the cheap trousers but keep the ones it would be hard to find again?

NewStartNewStory Thu 26-Sep-13 10:30:32

To be quite honest Crabby that's how i feel about this too grin

BIWI Cote D'Ivoire Thu 26-Sep-13 10:42:57

Morning all!

Sorry for absence - have had a bit of a hectic week from the social point of view. <studiously avoids looking at scales>

NewStart - sorry to hear about your accident. I hope you're better soon. But I can't help thinking that a bit of enforced rest might not be a good thing for you. I think you overdo it a lot of the time! And yy to not being in the kitchen so often grin

holmes - don't be disheartened. You will have lost water weight and emptied your glycogen stores, and will have lost a little bit of fat. What's happening now is that your body is adjusting to burning fat rather than carbs. I have no idea why the weight loss stops at this point in time, all that I can say is that it happens to so many of us that it's definitely a 'thing' that happens! Stick with it and you will see the scales move again. However you will now start to lose weight at a slower rate, and you shouldn't expect to lose more than 1-2lbs a week. This is good/normal and a sustainable way to lose weight.

Crabby - #firstworldproblems grin

Jude shock at iPad damage!

StuntNun - I got rid of all my 'fat' clothes because I am never going there again. I think that if you hang on to them, psycologically you are giving yourself permission to re-gain weight <channels inner cod psychologist>. I had a couple of things that I really liked, that were hard to get rid of, but as I never, never, ever want to be almost obese again, which is where I was when I started, what would be the point of keeping them? Chuck them all out!

BIWI Cote D'Ivoire Thu 26-Sep-13 10:56:39

Jude? WTF? Just - sorry!

NewStartNewStory Thu 26-Sep-13 11:21:55

Oh be under no illusion BIWI I am still busy, I have a hook and some wool. Should stop me being driven mad.

NewStartNewStory Thu 26-Sep-13 11:22:46

grin perhaps a good use of my time would be to google the definition for the word 'rest' and try and figure out what it actually means winkgrin

BIWI Cote D'Ivoire Thu 26-Sep-13 11:23:14


Knitting = very good though!

BIWI Cote D'Ivoire Thu 26-Sep-13 11:23:30

Or crochet. Whatever you do with a bloody hook <hides from Pistey>

Purple2012 Thu 26-Sep-13 11:27:34

Just seen something on come dine with me that I think I will try at the weekend. Corgettes stuffed with mozzarella and put under the grill. That will be ok won't it?

Crabby and BIWI - I was most annoyed that I couldn't blame DH/DC/the cat for what was in fact my own stupidity angry

Purple that sounds perfect - let us know how it tastes.

If any of you are on pinterest I can link to my lowcarb food board if you want?

HighJinx Thu 26-Sep-13 11:53:32

StuntNun I say ditch the clown trousers and anything else that is too big now. You're not going back there anyway but if you do fall of the wagon for a bit and your clothes start to feel tighter then that is the point to regain control and lose those few pounds.

It's far easier to let things slide if you have a whole wardrobe of clothes waiting to accommodate your increasing size. If you have to consciously shop for a bigger size then it is much more likely that you will stop yourself and get back on track to stay in your existing clothes.

Purple2012 Thu 26-Sep-13 12:36:05

I will just. I will do it on Saturday.

All my bigger clothes have gone in the loft. My mum will be going through it at some point and then a friend who wants to lose weight down to what I was will probably have the rest. If there is anything left over it will be going to the charity shop.

NewStartNewStory Thu 26-Sep-13 12:37:21

I think a bloody hook might suggest that there has been some venturing in the world of ancient mummification. I have a feeling there are laws against that sort of this these days. wink

BIWI Cote D'Ivoire Thu 26-Sep-13 13:20:14


Purple - that sounds lovely - worth posting on the recipe thread? Maybe once you've tried it, so you can give your verdict on it.

prettybird Thu 26-Sep-13 13:49:33

Yesterday I finally spent the £250 in John Lewis vouchers that I've had since Christmas (£150 from Mumsnet smile and £100 Christmas present from my dad smile). I booked a double appointment with the Fashion Advisor as I was wanting both a dress for a wedding in France I'm going to next week and to revamp my casual wardrobe.

She brought me clothes in sizes 10 and 12gringrin (and Ted Baker 2 and 3) smile.

Ended up with some lovely and high waisted so no muffin top black skinny jeans from Hobbs in a Size 12 (could probably have squeeeeeezed in to the 10s but wanted them comfortable wink). Also got a nice black & white scoop neck Phase 8 top which together with the jeans and the wee suede ankle boots she also brought me made for a lovely slimming outfit! smile

Suspect it's a bit of vanity sizing but who cares! grin

Dress I got was a multi-coloured geometric print (predominantly purple to go with my favourite shoes black, orange and green) mock wrap dress in a heavy silky jersey Looks better in real life

Came to £250 exactly. smile

Purple2012 Thu 26-Sep-13 13:56:50

I will do biwi

prettybird bet you feel fab!

Thanks for the pep talk! I'm not going to give up, in spite of the lack of scales movement. I FEEL slimmer and lighter and just more in balance with myself iykwim. And I am so enjoying not swinging between feeling uncomfortably full and ravenously hungry all the time!

ofcoursethisisanamechange Thu 26-Sep-13 14:10:16

what's the thinking on a cappucino? I'm in week 3- lost loads first week, a little second week and now think I am in the 1-2 lbs a week stage. My midweek food is usually the same- scrambled eggs(B), big salad with some allowed veg and hard boiled eggs (L) and an afternoon snack of greek yogurt and a prawn mayo sandwich filler for tea- would I be okay sneaking a cappucino in the afternoon? pretty please??

StuntNun Thu 26-Sep-13 14:15:28

Yes please Gless although Pinterest is a real time stealer for me.

googoogoggles Thu 26-Sep-13 14:52:45

That's fantastic about the clothes prettybird! Hoping I'll be where you are now size-wise in a few weeks! Would be dead chuffed getting in a pair of size 12 Hobbs trousers!
Holmes – think we've just got to keep at it, keep drinking the water, and keep hoping. So many people posting on here have reported such amazing losses, it's got to be worth carrying on, even when the scales don't shift! (giving myself a pep talk here!)
I agree about ditching the fat clothes btw as it's all to easy to accept creeping weight gain if you have some comfy stuff you can put on (speaks from experience). I'm the other way at the moment – I've held quite a few things I used to get into and hope I can get in again...
Newstart sorry about your knee. Sounds painful... Have been thinking about knitting again (thanks to BIWI's link!) I haven't done any for years and years and can see how it would be a good distraction if I succumb to a few G&Ts and get the urge to snack. And no, don't get the crochet thing either BIWI!
Crabby grin at being middle class/middle aged with our vanilla grinders!

captainmummy Thu 26-Sep-13 15:09:12

Ofcourse - cappuchino will be made with milk, so more carby than coffee-with-cream. Having said that, I have 1 Latte a week, and I normally have a coffee with milk at work. (but I am in maintenance, not bootcamp) Try it, if you start gaining, drop it - and make sure it's decaff.

ofcoursethisisanamechange Thu 26-Sep-13 15:23:09

why decaf captain? didn't think caffeine was off limits

BIWI Cote D'Ivoire Thu 26-Sep-13 15:48:28

prettybird love that dress!

ofcourse there are mixed opinions about caffeine - some think it impedes weight loss. Best thing to do is just to try it. I've never given up drinking coffee, but still managed to lose weight.

daisychicken Thu 26-Sep-13 15:58:03

Brilliant Prettybird!!!!!! Such a boost when you see your clothes size decreasing!

Lidl have knitting stuff in stock from today if anyone needs anything! I'm tempted to try the knitting loom..

Have had a little blip... but back on track again.. I've not weighed myself but my trousers are falling down so I really need to try my smaller jeans on, I can just see me at the supermarket or at school with my current jeans round my ankles blush grin

surprisedbyjoy Thu 26-Sep-13 16:16:17

Dead jealous Prettybird - I looked at that dress at the weekend and loved it but not in stock in my size.

I have been really strict with getting rid of the clothes I have shrunk out of - started at 22, now 14 so lots of clothes; it means I have to climb back on the wagon when I waiver! On the up side, I am much better at the "capsule" wardrobe as have been buying the bare minimum of reasonable quality clothes in each size.

Sneaky extra weigh this morning revealed that I have finally dipped below 80kg - it seems to have been a real barrier. It's my birthday this weekend so gives me some incentive to keep on the straight and narrow!

BIWI Cote D'Ivoire Thu 26-Sep-13 16:49:59

Brilliant, surprised! flowers

I have just resisted the kids' leftover pizza and garlic dough balls. Feeling like some kind of saint grin.

Feeling very positive at the minute. This week I:

1. Dropped 2lbs despite being in the dreaded week 3 (I started early) & totm.

2. Learned that lido Greek yogurt is lower carb than total and much, much cheaper.

3. Finally managed no to eat eggs every day for breakfast.

4. Have yet to reach for the lovely blue gin despite being 'allowed'.

5. Have just made a giant pot of brocilli and blue cheese soup with homemade chicken stock.

6. Hav managed to feed a friend and family many low cab meals without them even noticing, let alone complaining.

7. Have not once felt hungry or cheated.

I bet I lose nothing this week though.

Also, tmi, my sweat smells pretty bad under my arms. I don't normally, it's very strong and like ammonia. A bit like after I'd had the dc. Is this the woe?

Have not managed to proof read MN posts to amend fat finger flaws.

BIWI Cote D'Ivoire Thu 26-Sep-13 19:21:38


Smelly sweat = very concentrated = not enough water? I don't know, but that's what it would suggest. I'll see what I can find out.

But bloody well done! Especially on resisting the blue gin! (I'm always disappointed that it's not actually blue)

<pins sainthood badge onto holmes>

BIWI Cote D'Ivoire Thu 26-Sep-13 19:22:31

<boasting alert>

I managed to break the 30 minute barrier today when I went for my run - I ran 5K in 29.52 minutes!

Ooh - are we allowed to cook with wine? The alcohol all burns off, but are there sugars to worry about? <crosses fingers in hope as the smell of coq au vin blanc à la crème wafts in from the kitchen>

Well done on the run BiWi! I must get back to running. I messed up my knees last time, if I'm lighter it should be ok <fingers crossed>. Running changes my shape for the much better.

I've been drinking between 3-4l of water, so it's unlikely.

I should also have said that I had the mother of all migraines (I am prone, but not for a while) on Tuesday and thanks to DH being amazing, didn't succomb to honey on toasted he cooked me a lovely caulk rice/bacon/egg thing.

Wonder if the post migraine hideousness accounts for stinky pits?

BIWI Cote D'Ivoire Thu 26-Sep-13 19:44:23

Hmm. Not sure, but this link suggests that you might be eating too much protein What do you think? Are you eating more protein than fat? Could you try upping your fat/cutting down on the protein?

BIWI Cote D'Ivoire Thu 26-Sep-13 19:47:40

And possibly you may be eating not enough carbohydrate - but it's difficult to say without knowing what you're eating!

It certainly seems to be a common thing though - could partly be about being in ketosis - but to be sure, can you list out for me what you've been eating/drinking over the last few days?

Twit Thu 26-Sep-13 19:59:13

Hi all, have ended up with tonsillitis this week (which is why I had to have the medicine t the weekend I couldn't/ can't swallow tablets) so whilst I can't eat much, I have got more sweet medicine. At least I haven't gained any weight -- I haven't lost any either--. It's been really hard not to give into ice cream etc but I have just had hot water or crushed ice. I have had pro biitic yoghurts too for my tum, being careful to have as little carny shit as possible obv wink and a creamy decaf every now and then. I've not eaten well at all this week, managed some chicken and buttery spinach earlier, and no energy to get the ingredients for soup, so all in all MEH.
I have finished knitting my hat and am now making dd one.
Ooh and my fungus has gone now. grin

All those are possible BiWi, thanks.


B: total yogurt, splash of double cream and 6/7 blackberries.
L: 3 strips of belly pork, cabbage fried in butter, 5 almonds.
D: I 97% fat sausage, brocilli, green beans, and cauliflower in cream and blue cheese.
1 cup of coffee with cream and two cups of tea with milk.
3.5l of water

B: 2 fried eggs in butter
L: leftover mutton/lamb mince kofta(only a little) half bag of salad leaves, 6/7 cherry tomatoes, dressing made from oil, mayo and vinegar (Helmans mayo)
D: chicken curry mad switch passatta and cream, fried aubergine, cauliflower rice.
1 cup tea with milk, 1 cup coffee with cream 4l water.
Cube of Brie.


Brunch (after surfacing post migraine): 1/2 head of cauli grated, 2 chopped shallots, 2 strips bacon, fried in butter then 2 eggs stirred in.
Dinner: HM lamb/mutton kofte, roast brocilli, shallots, garlic (I had about 2 cloves), salad with leaves, cucumber and tomato.
Not enough water, about 2 l.
Wa sick 3 times ore brunch.

I have recently upped fat, I only started adding double cream in the last couple of days & the belly pork is new. My go to tends to be prawns and avocado.

My wee doesn't smell, so pretty too bad. [sorry]

I will endeavour to up fat/reduce protein(serving a salmon, prawn and avocado salad for lunch tomorrow, worried now!).

Wow, and well done, to lots of people! Poor you, Twit. Your food looks OK to me (no expert) Ohfuck - and salmon is a fatty fish and avocado contains fats so that seems OK too?

I had a day where in-the-old-days I would have been on a carb snack-fest - overtired at work, with annoying deadlines to meet, not being sensible about giving myself enough lunch time... etc. BUT I did hold firm and not dive into any of the carby snacks I was thinking about. It wasn't a brilliant food day, a lot of cheese was snacked on, but I remained low-carb. I don't want to throw away all this progress!

Slightly redeemed myself at dinner-time with celeriac chips, broccoli with butter and scrambled egg (odd combo I know.... there just weren't any other options and I couldn't face any more cheese in any form!)

whodunnit Thu 26-Sep-13 21:55:51

Oh the dilemmas of whether to ditch clothing that is now too big. I like the idea that it subconscioulsy gives ou permission to go back to that size. But it is hard when you have spent good money on clothes you liked. Can fat clothes be taken in, d you think? or are the proportions just all wrong?

I do likethe fact I wore a work blouse today that I have not worn for about 3 years. I was dead cuffed to fit back in it, and at the end of the day I began to think it looked a bit baggy. Not that I had dropped weight during the day, I was just so elated to fit into it that I never checked how well it fitted. This is the kind of problem I enjoy.

I am currently enjoying putting my jeans in to the tumble dryer to make them a bit smaller.

LCHammer Thu 26-Sep-13 21:56:17

Well done BIWI on your personal goal with the running.

whodunnit Thu 26-Sep-13 21:56:28

I was not cuffed, of course I was chuffed smile

BIWI Cote D'Ivoire Thu 26-Sep-13 21:58:47

The thing I realised, when I had lost most of my weight, was that I had started to buy totally different clothes when I was overweight. I was buying clothes for a fat person - things that were voluminous/didn't cling/weren't close-fitting.

I had started to think of myself as a totally different person.

I still, almost a year later, take great pleasure in putting something on that I bought years ago, to find that it fits/suits me and isn't shapeless.

And that I can buy tight, body-hugging stuff and it suits me.

So that's another reason why I jettisoned all those clothes. I am not going back to being a fat person. (With obvious apologies to fat people, clearly)

Purple2012 Thu 26-Sep-13 22:35:21

Great to see all the positive stories.

I may be going to the cinema at the weekend. Im guessing salted popcorn isn't allowed hoping it is

StuntNun Thu 26-Sep-13 22:57:32

Purple I take a packet of pork scratchings and a bottle of water to the cinema. It's a thrill sneaking them in in your handbag!

BIWI Cote D'Ivoire Thu 26-Sep-13 22:58:32

No, Purple, it isn't!

BIWI Cote D'Ivoire Thu 26-Sep-13 22:59:33

When we go to the cinema these days we are programmed to buy stuff to eat.

If you can't last for 1.5-2 hours without eating something, then eat before hand.

There is no need for snacking during a film

BIWI Cote D'Ivoire Thu 26-Sep-13 22:59:50

.... unless you own shares in Odeon of course

Purple2012 Thu 26-Sep-13 23:04:29

Damn. I knew that would be the case. Eating at the cinema isn't about being hungry - it's part of the experience! Never mind. I will just have to do without. Iddon't mind really but it was worth a try!

BIWI Cote D'Ivoire Thu 26-Sep-13 23:13:00


Good try ...

Purple2012 Fri 27-Sep-13 10:14:51

I need your help with some travel food ideas please. Im going to turkey in a couple of weeks. We leave home at around 8.30 so I can have yoghurt before I go. The flight at 1.30 and we will get to hotel at 9pm. So I need some food ideas to feed me for the whole day. I don't want to take anything too complicated like salad.

I thought I could do a big chicken frittat and chop it into bite size chunks, maybe a couple of baby bels and a couple of flaxseed muffins. But I have been avoiding flax as I think it may stall weight loss.

I only eat chicken and turkey. I can't cope with other meat and I love cheese.

Any ideas?

HighJinx Fri 27-Sep-13 10:55:19

BIWI congratulations on doing 5K under 30 mins. That's brilliant! I am in week 2 of C25K so a way to go yet.

Can you tell me is it normal to stop wanting carbs and sweets. I don't mean not craving them but actually not wanting to eat them. I am not missing anything at all which I know is a good thing but it's freaking me out a bit tbh.

I went to get some bread for DH today and the bakery sells gorgeous cheese sticks. This morning they were fresh out of the oven and before I would have either felt very deprived or very smug if I hadn't had them but today I wasn't the least interested in eating them.

I'm the same with pizzas, takeaways, chocolate, pretty much everything. I am enjoying my bootcamp meals but I genuinely seem to have lost interest in any other food. I'm weird aren't I? This can't last surely.

BIWI Cote D'Ivoire Fri 27-Sep-13 11:24:55


It's great though, isn't it?

I have found that if I step off the wagon - say if we've gone to a particularly love restaurant - and allow myself to have a dessert, I find that whilst I am enjoying it 'intellectually', I'm not actually getting the physiological enjoyment IYSWIM. It's strange.

It stands you in good stead to be able to resist the carbs in future, so that you are in control. You will be able to allow yourself to decide if you want them or not, not get sucked in by the cravings.

BIWI Cote D'Ivoire Fri 27-Sep-13 11:25:55

Purple - will you be allowed to take food with you on to the flight? I thought that wasn't allowed?

You could try contacting the airline and see what special menus/diets they provide? There must be lots of people who can't eat wheat or dairy.

BIWI Cote D'Ivoire Fri 27-Sep-13 11:26:20

The only other thing I could suggest is that when you get to the airport you find somewhere that is doing breakfast and have a big breakfast.

prettybird Fri 27-Sep-13 11:42:01

Food is allowed on planes, just not liquid. The frittata is a good idea - an alternative is some hard boiled eggs. You could also take some cold roasted chicken - or if you want to make it easy, some of the wee M&S packs of various flavoured chicken strips (from memory, lime and coriander is good but it's a while since I had them).

I sometimes find Babybels a bit soapy. I prefer chunks of emmenthal (which you could pre-wrap).

Wrap your food in cling film/grease proof paper - some airport security guys get upset at "containers" that are larger than a 100ml even though you can larger bottles through security

HighJinx Fri 27-Sep-13 11:57:55

It is strange BIWI - something that has been such a big part of me for as long as I can remember suddenly isn't there any more and that feels very, very strange. This morning I was staring at the cheese sticks and thinking 'Why don't I want to eat you? What's wrong with me?' grin

Do you find when you do have dessert now it can taste almost too sweet?

Purple - I think prettybird is right that food is allowed on planes but do remember to dispose of any uneaten food before you go through immigration at the other end. Many places will fine you if you try to take 'fresh' or unpackaged food into the country. It's about $200 in Australia.

StuntNun Fri 27-Sep-13 12:29:00

I suspect it isn't that you don't enjoy the dessert BIWI, so much as you don't have an insulin-driven craving for sugar that is being satisfied. Before this WOE and for the first few months of LCing I would have craved crisps just before my period and I would eat two bags really quickly just to satisfy that craving. I'm sure if I ate a bag now I would still enjoy eating them but they wouldn't be fulfilling a 'need' for something savoury and carby. This might seem a weird way of explaining it but imagine the difference between going for a wee when you need to go and when you're bursting - the extra sensation of relief because you were desperate for a wee is akin to the sensation of satisfying a craving. In fact it is probably exactly the same thing - a positive feedback through the parasympathetic nervous system.

Purple2012 Fri 27-Sep-13 12:45:42

Thanks girls. I will look at the chicken strips. I know I will be ok up until tea time but I don't want to get hungry and end up being a carby twat. Especially as I will be wearing skimpy clothes for a week.

captainmummy Fri 27-Sep-13 12:53:39

Purple - chicken strips, cheese strips, frittata all good ideas. Don't take eggs on a plane (smell!) and yes dispose of wrappings either on plane or before you get on. Eat a big breakfast before you go, or find a wetherspoons and eat it at the airport.
Turkey should also be great for low-carbing!

daisychicken Fri 27-Sep-13 13:00:56

Yay!!!!!!!!! I'm a dress size smaller and they are comfortable not tight! grin

Made cottage pie for tea - did the mince and onion plus added a leek to bulk it out a little, then did mashed celeriac for the topping. DP's are here for tea and DM is coeliac with dairy intolerance so instead of butter or milk, I used a little coconut cream so hope it tastes good! Will serve with green beans, cabbage & carrots so to fill everyone up!

HighJinx Fri 27-Sep-13 13:46:15

Lucky you going to Turkey Purple - Is it a holiday? envy

tenementfunster Fri 27-Sep-13 14:01:22

hi there
can i just ask if i should avoid the rather delicious total yoghurt if I'm prone to chub up with dairy like cheese?

Purple2012 Fri 27-Sep-13 14:13:16

Yes highjinx it is. Going with a friend. Luckily DH encouraged me to go as I never get a proper break just relaxing.

tenement I think you'll only find out by trying. I think yogurt is slightly less prone to making people stall than cheese is, but I imagine everyone responds to these foods slightly differently?

tenementfunster Fri 27-Sep-13 14:53:32

thanks, lily

HighJinx Fri 27-Sep-13 15:41:49

Sounds wonderful Purple. I hope you have a lovely, relaxing time.

Purple2012 Fri 27-Sep-13 15:51:51

Thanks highjinx

AuntieMaggie Fri 27-Sep-13 16:51:21

Ugh I had a piece of cake this morning at a Macmillan coffee morning thing - it was so sweet it made me feel sick. I ate it as the friend who hosted the event and gave me the cake has a father who is dying from cancer and she was upset. And I figured one piece of cake compared to what they're going through is nothing. I do however think its a bit odd that given there are many suggestions about how diet affects cancer that the fundraising involves cake...

MrsSnuffleupagus Fri 27-Sep-13 17:18:47

AuntieMaggie I also had some cake at a MacMillan coffee morning, not a whole piece I 'shared' with my 11m old ds (no way was he eating a whole bit to himself !). It was lemon drizzle and I found it so sweet and felt a little ill afterwards confused No more cake for me for a looong time.

Its been a good day food wise otherwise- scrambled egg and bacon for breakfast, h/m tuscan bean soup minus beans for lunch and looking forward to lamb steaks with a herb butter and salad for dinner smile

starrystarryknut Fri 27-Sep-13 17:31:01

Had a tiring, stressful day at work and my cold has turned into sinusitis. I feel blahhhh. What I really want to do is go out for dinner and have a few glasses of wine. I haven't cheated once, not once since I started. Please remind me that it's NOT a good idea to go out to dinner and drink wine. I'm very close to falling off the wagon tonight.

AuntieMaggie Fri 27-Sep-13 18:09:03

snuffle I haven't eaten anything since as I haven't been hungry.

I was also a bit 'meh' because we're ttc and there were loads of babies about. No sign of AF yet and its been more than 32 days... but i'm not pg.


BIWI Cote D'Ivoire Fri 27-Sep-13 19:41:39

Oh AuntieMaggie - I'm sorry sad flowers

starry - you are allowed some alcohol in Bootcamp Light, you know?

Purple2012 Fri 27-Sep-13 19:42:21

I sort of want to try something carby to see if it tastes horrible but I am a bit afraid to.

AuntieMaggie Fri 27-Sep-13 19:47:40

Thanks BIWI.

BIWI Cote D'Ivoire Fri 27-Sep-13 19:48:03

I wouldn't, Purple - especially as you are so close to your holiday!

And, from my own experience, not all carbs are horrible. You could end up head first in the biscuit tin if you're not careful grin

MotherOfSoupDragon Fri 27-Sep-13 19:51:07

I've just made the butter chicken from the Idiot Proof Recipe book and it was gorgeous!

Purple2012 Fri 27-Sep-13 19:52:16

Don't worry biwi I won't be doing it. I may have a bit of a treat after my holiday. I'm just intrigued by people saying how different things taste now. I also want to know if I will find diet coke too sweet, but its way too soon to try it.

I guess im kind of hoping to try some of the stuff I used to eat a lot of, not like it any more so that I don't give it another thought. Does that make sense?

I won't be heading for the biscuits. Im a savoury carb eater rather than sweet stuff.

MotherOfSoupDragon Fri 27-Sep-13 19:52:24

AuntieMaggie, so sorry to hear that.

Purple, have a good time.

Well I've had my first proper cheat this afternoon. I now have a horrible taste in my mouth and feel a bit jittery with sugar-high. It's interesting to see the effect the carbs have on me once my body's got used to doing without them. Definitely back on the waggon tomorrow!

BIWI Cote D'Ivoire Fri 27-Sep-13 20:00:30

Horrible, isn't it, holmes? Last time I did that, we were on holiday and had no choice but to eat carbs en route to our holiday house. As well as that horrible jittery feeling a couple of hours later, I was also having visual disturbances at one point. It was awful and really quite frightening. It was definitely from my blood sugar suddenly dropping, because after I'd eaten a handful of strawberries I felt much better.

Pagwatch Fri 27-Sep-13 20:22:25

Did my workout today with my pt and I am under 10stone which is lovely.
Dh took us out to supper - chicken satay and then steak with steamed veggies. Not too bad.
I wanted to get pissed after the crap on here today but I have had one glass of white wine.
Well done me - the old baggage.x

BIWI Cote D'Ivoire Fri 27-Sep-13 20:35:40

Fab, Pag flowers

It's been a funny old day, hasn't it?

Pagwatch Fri 27-Sep-13 20:41:26

It has indeed, you great carbmeister you.

Can I send you hugs lovely. I admire your stiff upper lip enormously but I was upset so i am guessing you must have been a tad too x x

Well done pag.
Have avoided all other threads tbh.

Its amazing how your taste buds change.
Auntie Maggie - sorry to hear. It must be very hard on social situations like that.

BIWI Cote D'Ivoire Fri 27-Sep-13 20:45:45

Thanks Pag. And I send you some in return. I was/still am irritated/unsettled/frustrated. But must remember not to post after more vino collapso has been taken grin

Pagwatch Fri 27-Sep-13 20:57:09

Yy the taste change thing is amazing.
Ds2 wanted me to eat a starburst sweet a couple of days ago. It was almost unbearable.

Very wise BIWI. I am pleased I went out tbh. grin

starrystarryknut Fri 27-Sep-13 21:00:53

Thanks BIWI for the reminder that I can have a teensy little glass of wine on BC Lite. The thing is once I decide to do something I'm always a bit of an extremist. I WILL bootcamp. I WILL be a low carb supremo. I WILL lose that weight. Unfortunately confused I seem to have iron will power!

I need to lighten up, right (bad choice of phrase).

toomuchicecream Fri 27-Sep-13 21:43:15

I obviously missed something by going to work today....

I'm very happy because
a) I no longer undo my bra when I get in from work because it's so tight
b) my Rennie consumption has shrunk from anything up to a dozen a day to 1 or 2 at most (I knew I should go to the GP about my rampant indigestion but never got round to it....)
c) I actually have the energy after work to cook a proper meal and then wash up afterwards
d) apart from having to get up twice a night to pee I'm sleeping much better
e) having lost very, very little in week 2, I've been weighing every morning and have lost nearly 4 pounds this week. So on Monday I'll no longer be the only person on the spread sheet with a 3 at the start of my weight
f) my trousers are continuing to get longer!
g)for the past 3 weeks I've come in from work on a Thursday or Friday and done all the cleaning & washing, so I don't have to do any at the weekend.

Not a bad list of outcomes...

BIWI Cote D'Ivoire Fri 27-Sep-13 21:48:54

Yay! flowers


Ruprekt Fri 27-Sep-13 22:29:51

What happened today? hmmhmm

CrabbyBigBottom Fri 27-Sep-13 23:01:53

Forgive me Bootcampers for I have sinned. I have been a carby twat this evening, and what's really galling is that it wasn't that nice, and really wasn't worth it!
sad sad

BIWI Cote D'Ivoire Fri 27-Sep-13 23:37:39

The threads about what constitutes bullying on MN, Ruprekt. Eventually one poster decided to name names, and singled me and Hully out. It wasn't very edifying.

emblosion Fri 27-Sep-13 23:39:44

I had strawberries and cream, ds didn't like the cream so I ate his too. It was nice but I have sickened myself with it. Hope it doesn't stall me....

whodunnit Sat 28-Sep-13 00:10:13

Evening all....

So, the books have arrived.. new atkins new you, new atkins cookbook, Dr Briffa's book .... just getting into them. And the ketostix have arrived. Over the last couple of days my stick colour has varied between 'trace' and 'moyen' which i am guessing mean medium. I had hoped for the darker shades at the top of the stick, but what does it all mean? If I am showing trace, does that mean I am drinking lot sof waer and so not getting very concentrated ketones? If I show dark am I burning up fat faster? Would ubercamp, whatever that is, make it go purple? Does bootcamp light mean it goed to trace and the WOE is not as effecive at burning fat? Help..

AuntieMaggie Sat 28-Sep-13 00:13:03

That's the thing though isn't it crabby if you're going to cheat it has to be worth it (learnt this off a mate who is a super strict eater because of their sport and they will eat chocolate brownies but not bread)

Yesterday I was very proud of myself having not eaten the cakes/biscuits/carby offerings on arrival, morning and afternoon breaks and at lunch - I had a salad for lunch (though it did have chickpeas in it) and took blueberries and nuts to snack on instead smile

BIWI Cote D'Ivoire Sat 28-Sep-13 00:39:39

whodunnit - if you're drinking the requisite amount of water, the ketostix will never show dark purple

They are a waste of time/money IMVHO. If you're following the rules, you will be losing weight, because you are burning fat.

whodunnit Sat 28-Sep-13 00:54:38

Cheers, BIWI. Just a last quick question. Does bootcamp light mean we are losing weight a bit slower than bootcamp regular?

BIWI Cote D'Ivoire Sat 28-Sep-13 08:29:31

It may do, because you will be allowing yourself to eat more carbs.

Bootcamp is deliberately low carb to ensure that your body switches over from carb to fat-burning. This, though, can make it quite restrictive for many people, hence the relaxation into Bootcamp Light. However, your carb levels should still be low enough for you to lose weight.

The difficulty is that as we all cope with carbs differently, it's impossible to give everyone a specific amount of carbohydrate that they should be sticking to per day. In general, if you're consuming less than 80-100g carbs per day, then you should lose weight.

As we don't weigh/count on Bootcamp (unless you want to!), then Bootcamp Light is your opportunity to experiment a bit, and to see what you can cope with.

If you're happy on Bootcamp and don't find it too restrictive, there's nothing to say that you can't continue eating this way. You don't have to move on to Bootcamp Light - as long as you make sure that you are getting your carbs from veg and salad.

Please, please, please though remember that after the initial couple of weeks, weight loss on this diet will slow down to around 1-2lbs per week, and this is sustainable and much better as a way to lose weight.

BIWI Cote D'Ivoire Sat 28-Sep-13 08:30:31

By the way

Low Carb Diet News is an interesting and useful source of information - you can sign up for their newsletter/bulletin as well.

bettybigballs Sat 28-Sep-13 09:09:39

Bleuagghhh, was a carby twat yesterday. Had a shocker at work them needed to get in the car for a 5 hour drive, realised in the shitness of it I hadn't eaten for 24 hours (had some dreadful news on Thursday so replaced good with wine) ended up having a Burger King - what a twat!

Have had a good think about it overnight (played havoc with my stomach) and have realised again how much I self medicate with food - had a shock? People hurt your feelings? Then stuff all those hurt feelings down with a shot pile of crap food.

Bit of a revelation to me and it's hit me what a damaging behaviour it is. Really need to think about it some more.

The funny thing is that because it's messed my stomach up I've actually lost 4lbs! I know that it will go right back up over the next day or two. Anyway, back on the wagon. Have a wedding today so food is slightly out of my control but have a huge breakfast and a bag of snacks so I can avoid the worst!

BIWI - I didn't follow all the bully thread yesterday, was shocked to see names had been named. Just wanted to say thank you for how much your doing for people and how much it's appreciated.

daisychicken Sat 28-Sep-13 09:19:17

BIWI is coconut cream ok? I had one of those sachets and used a 1/4?

The celeriac mashed with coconut cream on top of a cottage pie meat base went down v v v v v well! (With the adults, the kids still whinged but I think they'd have whinged whatever!) I could taste it was celeriac but DM said she wouldn't have known if I hadn't told her and DH only knew after I told him and he doesn't like celeriac! SUCCESS!!!!!!!!!! grin Also good to note that the topping reheated well so a good meal to have if you all have to eat seperatly (which DH does when working late).

I didn't see the bullying thread - tbh, I can't be bothered with stuff like that, but I will say that you've been fab whenever I've spoken to you on here or seen you reply to others so I'd just ignore them - they obv don't know what they are talking about and being horrible for the sake of it wink

I have come to the conclusion that what I may need is a new set of scales. My weight leaps up and down by nearly half a stone in one go on a regular basis - this surely cannot be right! Anyone got a recommendation for some good, accurate scales?

CrabbyBigBottom Sat 28-Sep-13 10:26:04

I skimmed the bully threads and thought it was a bit ridiculous. I certainly can't imagine you bullying anyone BIWI (apart from us with your big stick of course, which is entirely consensual wink ), why on earth would someone say that? confused

I know that for most of us, nasty words hit home and are retained far more than kind words, unfortunately. But please BIWI focus on all of us here who think you're the greatest thing since sliced low-carb-bread-alternative and are immensely grateful for your kindness and the time and effort you put in to sharing your knowledge and expertise with us.

I'm cross with myself about last night. I'd bought fish to make a fish curry and then just didn't fancy it. Feeling grumpy and as though I deserved a Friday night treat to cheer me up. Decided to do fried fish in a polenta coating and was easily persuaded by DP to have chips and peas with it, hmm mainly because tonight we're going to stay with friends so I'm sure it will be a night of carby twatdom so I thought 'oh well I may as well start now'. hmm

The really annoying thing was that it didn't taste of anything! Just bland chips and tasteless fish and it didn't cheer me up at all; I just felt annoyed with myself. angry

A much better treat would have been to make the fish curry and then have anther little fruit crumble which have become a lot bit of a habit this week and taste sooooooooo glorious that I can't believe they're low carb.

Silly Crabby. <<grabs BIWI's big stick and bullies self with it>> wink

Hope you all have lovely weekends.

AuntieMaggie Sat 28-Sep-13 14:15:17

Aww crabby don't be so hard on yourself. flowers

We went to the pub for tea and I had a big meaty mixed grill (minus the chips) but had drank 3/4 of my usual cider before I realised what I was doing! Its so easy to miss things when you're distracted by dp being annoying

AuntieMaggie Sat 28-Sep-13 14:16:40

Actually we should have sticks for DPs who distract us and send us on the wrong path grin

BerylStreep Sat 28-Sep-13 14:50:37

flowers Biwi.

I didn't see the threads, nor do I want to. I second what Crabby says - the time you spend on here motivating us all and keeping us on the rightish path is tremendous. In actual fact, I am even a bit surprised to learn that you even have time post on other areas of MN!

On other news, I have been doing lots and lots of cooking. My fridge is now bulging with LC meals.

BIWI's shepherds pie with buttered swede on top
Roasted vegetable crustless quiche (just had some for lunch - pretty damn good!)

BIWI Cote D'Ivoire Sat 28-Sep-13 15:46:04

Thank you
<bottom lip wobbles>

Yesterday was quite a revelation/shock it's fair to say. I don't dispute that there can be some fairly robust and sometimes unpleasant stuff posted on MN. But my posts yesterday were a) trying to understand/find out why some posters ate apparently so intimidated by MN that they only lurk or communicate by PMs, or b) defend the wonderfulness that is MN. Not only was I named specifically (along with Hully) but there was a strong insinuation that I am one of the MN bullies. An accusation that I strongly refute.

It was very hurtful.

So I really appreciate your comments. Thank you. flowers

sybilfaulty Sat 28-Sep-13 16:54:27

I've not seen the thread ( and indeed rarely post outside of about 5 threads anyway) but I hope it hasn't really got to you dear BIWI. You spend so long motivating and inspiring others when you could easily say sod it, I'm slim, work it out for yourself. You give us so much attention a d kindness and you are hugely appreciated. Please don't let it get you down.

flowers and wine for you my darling xxx

BIWI I missed you being named. That is COMPLETELY outrageous.

I have been here for nearly 7 years and seen you around before the first bc. You always struck me as being a reasonable and measured poster.
(That was before I knew about the big stick wink

The effort you put into Bootcamp is unbelievable and I truly credit you for turning my life around.

Big hugs and ignore the feckers who say otherwise

halfthesize Sat 28-Sep-13 18:55:46

BIWI I missed the bullying thread, what a Nasty Nest of Bloody Vipers angry Take no notice of the twunts, you are far from a bully and I would personally like to thankyou for all your support and help thanks

CrabbyBigBottom Sat 28-Sep-13 19:10:41

Now then BIWI you just stop that lip-wobbling right now. You are our hero, our guru, our wise woman. Wobble your lip and bootcamp wobbles with you! Plus, we might all career off half cocked to hunt down thise who have slighted you! grin

I'm a little proud of myself, clawing back some self- respect from yesterday (thank you for your kind words Maggie) - so far I have not eaten at our friends' house...
Biscuits with the tea
Crisps with the wine
French bread with starter


There shall be at least one roast potato though. wink

Crabby - baby steps. That's good work when visiting friends

Am slightly peeved. DH in charge of tea. I have been LC for nearly 2 years. He made rice for everyone and when I asked where mine was his answer...he forgot hmm

PickedTheWrongWeek Sat 28-Sep-13 20:22:25

BIWI long time lurker here delurking specifically to say thanks for the huge amount of effort and enthusiasm you obviously put into this. Hope your lower lip is well and truely dewobbled. thanks

I have learnt an awful lot from these threads, and have found them very supportive though haven't posted previously.

Am I too late to add myself to the spreadsheet and join in properly? Been keeping track of my weight since start sept, but felt a bit of a fraud as am sticking to bootcamp light as feeding 3 month old.

Biwi, I think you're lovely and incredibly giving of your time.

Shame on me though, I've just dipped a pork scratching in clotted cream & it was delicious!

whodunnit Sun 29-Sep-13 01:10:27

Well BIWI you can carry on bullying me into being thin any day of the week! A couple of weeks ago I would post my daily food and hope that it would pass muster with you. And if you hadn't told me wherre I was wrong I would now be wailing and wondering why the scales had not budged.

We are all behind you ..... all ten tons or whatever of us in our combined weights!

You're a brick.

HighJinx Sun 29-Sep-13 08:25:49

Oh BIWI that's awful about the bullying thread. I agree with others that you are so supportive and kind on here and wonderfully generous with your time and knowledge. And when you're not here you're raising money or making woolly hugs. You are lovely. Fact. flowers

bigkidsdidit Sun 29-Sep-13 08:36:08

Sorry about that stupid thread BIWI.

I'm proud as I went to a wedding yesterday and was NOT a carby twat smile I had one glass of champagne and one of wine, and absent mindedly ate one triangle of bread with my salmon but that was it. No potatoes with my lamb, refused my pudding, no biscuit with my coffee, no other drinks. Hurray smile

SteppingOnLego Sun 29-Sep-13 10:01:00

Managed to get through a 6 hour running/biking/kayaking charity event yesterday without resorting to carbs! Huge thanks to BIWI for the advice and encouragement - I had quite a few people saying I wouldn't be able to do it but they were wrong. Refused all the sweets, chocolate and energy drinks I was offered and managed on nuts, cheese, turkey pieces and an Atkins bar (which was very sweet and pretty revolting actually). And of course lots of water. Didn't feel lacking in energy at all. Afterwards there was a hog roast so just had meat and salad. Did succumb to two bottles of lager though so not perfect. Planning to be strict today and drink a lot of water (and take lots of nurofen for my aching muscles!).

Well done! steppingonlego tat sounds amazing but a lot of hard work. You must feel so smug proud!

BIWI we all luffs you. Ignore them (I haven't seen the thread). You have revolutionised my life!

toomuch great progress!

Steppingonlego you sound like superwoman.

I cooked Ewan's spinach and feta pie, I can really recommend it. Very rich.


For week 2:

biggest loser of the week: Vicky08
biggest loser so far: roobot
biggest %age loser so far*: Vicky08

bravo to you both!

this week we have lost 105lb altogether, 386lb in total for all those who are still on the spreadsheet

*please note, I exclude those who like to index their weight, so starting at 100 and counting down from there. please don't be annoyed - it's just that the averages are a bit skewed in that instance

LCHammer Sun 29-Sep-13 10:48:45

BIWI I didn't see the thread that upset you. Forget about if and enjoy the weekend.

SteppingOnLego - applause.

Well done everyone, losers or not.

Well done Vicky and Roobot. Stunning results

toomuchicecream Sun 29-Sep-13 11:13:40

Spinach & feta pie sounds yum - have bookmarked the recipe to use later in the week smile

Have parents coming over for Sunday lunch later, so I've got a big tray of roasties in the oven for everyone else, and an almost equally large tray of celeriac, butternut squash and garlic in the oven for me. (I'm counting on leftovers for breakfast for a couple of days!) I've also had a go at a crumble using ground almonds and butter for the topping - I'll report back once we've tried it...

Pleaseandthankyou Sun 29-Sep-13 11:52:16

I didn't read that thread. I really don't like that sort of thing. Biwi I just want you to know I'm sitting here in a pair of size 12 skinny jeans and it is thanks to your encouragement. Keep waving your big stick .

NewStartNewStory Sun 29-Sep-13 13:02:05

BIWI a lot of regulars have been picked on just because they are regulars. don't let the bastards get you down. You know that your advice is invaluable. And greatly appreciated by many. You can never please all the people all of the time. And people like to complain more then they praise. Just remember how many people you have actually helped. That number is huge. Be strong and try to focus on this more then the negative miserable minority. flowers

I got asked if I had lost weight yesterday. Made me feel bit better although i did put on weight last week. The bigger picture says I have lost weight this year must remember this and remain focused Finished the NSAIDs, still a lot of swelling so not hopeful for tomo, will be glad when the side effects disappear too. Feeling meh and yucky today. I love that ds is so sharing. Wish he wasn't such a germ cultivator though hmm

AuntieMaggie Sun 29-Sep-13 17:03:53

Not hungry at all today so haven't eaten yet... AF here so not sure if thats why.

BIWI ditto what everyone else has said flowers

Purple2012 Sun 29-Sep-13 17:33:44

Ignore the haters biwi they are bound to be carby twats!

Good luck with the weigh ins tomorrow everyone.

timidviper Sun 29-Sep-13 18:36:54

I have missed all of this as have just got home after a week away (draws veil over sustained carby twat eating blush ) but I have been on MN for years and on bootcamp from very early on and have never seen BIWI bully anyone, sometimes in the face of severe provocation too! Ignore ignore ignore!

Evening campers
Hope you have all had a good day low carbing. It can be tricky at the weekend with temptation in your way.

B black farmer sausage and egg
L cream of celeriac leek and courgette soup
D roast gammon and loads of veg whilst everyone else also had choc gateau

May have had red wine

BIWI Cote D'Ivoire Sun 29-Sep-13 22:25:51

You are all bloody lovely <clutches everyone to my bosom>

I haven't got time to reply individually now, but I will tomorrow.

Thank you all for your lovely posts. I really, really, really appreciate the kind words. flowers

BIWI - don't let the buggers get you down. I echo what everyone else on here has said. The time and effort you put in here is amazing and so appreciated. I haven't read the bully threads but can imagine how they went. You are def one of the good guys.

whodunnit Sun 29-Sep-13 22:49:09

BIWI you have a bosom! I visualised you skinny as a rake with a couple of fried eggs for a bosom.....

Today was my biggest challenge. Went to a party in a small kitchen with a lot of people and tried to look like I was eating when I wasn't. After eating the insides of a couple of cheese and tomato sandwiches, I tried to prolong the eating by slowly nibbling the corner of a dorito, and resorted to licking about four doritas clear off all their flavourings..never ate the crisp itself...Realised as I had fininshed that I must have looked a right weirdo doing that! Still, tomorrow is weigh in day... the moment of truth.....

BIWI Cote D'Ivoire Sun 29-Sep-13 22:51:57

grin whodunnit!

Actually I do have a bosom, although it has shrunk considerably over the last year or so. Whilst I was a bit disappointed about losing cleavage, I have also lost crepeyness, which can only be a good thing!

Mind you, if I continue eating like I have this weekend ...

I have been a thoroughly carby twat this week, and have given in to my inner gobbler.

Tomorrow is another day, to quote someone sort of famous!

BIWI Cote D'Ivoire Sun 29-Sep-13 22:52:38

Thanks, Buda. flowers

whodunnit Sun 29-Sep-13 23:02:56

well, BIWI, I was looking at my profile sideways today and feeling slight disappointment that my belly and boobs are all still in a vertical line I had hoped to see the midriff and its underlings leaning in a bit further. Then I realised that my boobs had shrunk a bit, so it is all in the same proportion but a bit smaller. Tested it by trying on a bra from 8 years ago. It was tight and not great, but I was a lot closer to getting back into it. Not that I save all my ancient underwear....this was just a pretty hardly worn one that I didn't want to throw away.

Just my musings for the day.....

BIWI Cote D'Ivoire Sun 29-Sep-13 23:04:57

That's the thing, whodunnit - and it's why it's always good to have a particular item of clothing to keep trying on.

I found that I lost weight in proportion. So it was difficult, looking in the mirror, to really believe that I had lost weight. The only way I realised that I had, was through my clothes.

hazchem Mon 30-Sep-13 01:01:02

I need a big stick
I have been a carby twat and am back at my start weight! Buggar.

I'm back in proper bootcamp from this morning.

B: chicken thigh and chicken drumstick meat with an egg to black coffees and 5 herbal teas so far.

Sorry for ruining the percentages ect.

herecomesthsun Mon 30-Sep-13 01:10:53

Nil illegitimi carborundum!

Have just bought winter coat, which purports to be a 12, and is roomy!

BIWI Cote D'Ivoire Mon 30-Sep-13 07:19:10
QueenQueenie Wed 02-Oct-13 16:20:57

marking my place... very late to the party.
Am keeping on keeping on but seem to have come to a (temporary I hope standstill, 3 months in.) It does seem just the odd glass of wine of a weekend is enough to halt me in my tracks darnit. I find this woe very easy and have no carb cravings at all or real hunger to speak of... but it would be nice to have just a glass of wine now and again hmm

QueenQueenie Wed 02-Oct-13 16:21:25

gaaaah. will c and p to the right thread...

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