Week 2 - Autumn Low Carb Bootcamp

(521 Posts)
BIWI Sun 15-Sep-13 23:55:36

Well! It's the first day of reckoning:

Here is the Spreadsheet of Wonderfulness

I am waving my big stick around already, because it's obvious from the most recent threads that there has been a fair amount of cheating going on.

And we have only just finished week one!

A couple of things:

IT'S NOT CALLED BOOTCAMP FOR NOTHING

This period is designed to shift you quickly into becoming ketogenically adapted, i.e. to shift your body into burning fat rather than burning carbs.

This can only happen if you consistently reduce the carbs that you are consuming

If you cheat - even if it is just the odd thing here and there - then this won't happen, and it will take you much longer to start burning (and therefore losing) fat.

These two weeks were never going to be easy. And although I wrote about them, and how you needed to plan for them, it's clear that this hasn't always been appreciated.

I do, really, understand that it is hard. Especially if low carbing is new for you. But it's designed with a purpose, and you will really see the benefit of it if you stick with it.

JUST BECAUSE YOU'VE DONE BOOTCAMP BEFORE DOESN'T MEAN THAT IT'S ANY DIFFERENT FOR YOU

Please be mindful of people who are new to Bootcamp. You may know what you can/can't do in terms of carb consumption. But there has been quite a bit of posting about cheating. Even if you are doing this mindfully, please remember that you aren't supposed to be doing this in the first two weeks of Bootcamp, and it makes it really hard for those who are new to low carbing, and who might be struggling.

A bit of sensitivity is called for here.

And finally, when you get on the scales this morning/tomorrow morning, please remember that this is about you and nobody else. It isn't a competition. Some people lose weight much quicker than others.

If you have a lot of weight to lose, chances are that you will lose it quicker than if you are closer to your target. Some people will lose a shedload in week one, but then nothing in week two - whereas others will lose more modestly, but consistently, week after week. The only thing that matters is what is happening to you.

If you haven't lost much, please don't be disappointed. Make sure that you are genuinely following the rules - are you drinking enough water? Are you eating high fat? That one glass or wine, or that small piece of cake - they all add up.

And even if you have genuinely followed the rules - if you haven't seen the scales move by much - have you measured?

We are all different, and rates of loss will be different too. Just think about the food that you have been eating, and consider how this WOE compares with low calorie or low fat diets.

Changing to a low carb way of eating as compared to a low fat or low calorie diet is not an easy transition, and it is to be expected that there will be snags along the way. Hopefully the Bootcamp threads will give you the help and guidance that you need - and I hope that when you get on the scales next, your hard work will be rewarded!

Onwards and downwards
xxx

whodunnit Sun 15-Sep-13 23:58:35

Hello BIWI

Thanks for keeping us on the straight and narrow so far...or in my case not yet very narrow.....

BIWI Sun 15-Sep-13 23:59:11

grin

BIWI Mon 16-Sep-13 00:00:01

One more thing I should have said:

Weigh yourself first thing in the morning, naked, and after you have been to the loo

If you weigh yourself later on in the day, all that you are doing is weighing yourself and everything that you have eaten and drunk.

CrabbyBigBottom Mon 16-Sep-13 00:15:50

Dammit Dunnit, I wanted to be first! grin

CrabbyBigBottom Mon 16-Sep-13 00:17:52

Wise words there BIWI!

Lifeisontheup Mon 16-Sep-13 04:25:47

Just weighed in and added to spreadsheet, 3lbs lost!!!

This is the first time on a diet I've not cheated and I'm really pleased.

Lifeisontheup Mon 16-Sep-13 04:32:43

My Dh has just weighed in and has lost 10lbs. I am very slightly jealous but he has pointed out that a) he has more to lose (was well over 17st) and b) he normally drinks loads more than I do and has had none this week.

KinkyDorito Mon 16-Sep-13 06:11:28

Morning all, good luck with second week. Marking place.

Marking place

Lavenderhoney Mon 16-Sep-13 06:41:00

I've updated the spreasdsheet and have lost nearly 2 pounds, which is less than I was expecting, especially as I have been exercising everyday and been very strict with bootcamp. I think I will up my water-I'm hoping because I had my period last week, its more water retention than anything.

I do feel lighter though, which is good!

first week over and it wasn't so bad, although Dh is quite bemused by my not having winesmile the dc haven't noticed at all, as I serve them first at the table and they tuck in and dont notice i skip the spuds. just cook less lovely roast potatoes etc as then I am not tempted to have any, and there are no left overs to nibble at.

when does the uber bootcamp start? I am going to do that this timesmile bit nervous about it, but its only 3 days, is that right?smile

Purple2012 Mon 16-Sep-13 06:43:57

A bit gutted. 1lb off this week but I only gave up diet coke for the last 3 days of that feels like longer

I haven't cheated on the food. I was having flaxseed muffins at breakfast but was told flax can stall weight loss so haven't had them for 4 days.

I have been drinking a LOT of water over the last few days so kind of hoping that's why the loss isnt more and I will get a whoosh of weight loss in the next couple of weeks. Only 3 weeks until my holiday and I want to get 4.4lb off by then to reach my holiday goal weight. After that I will still have a stone to lose but being realistic about the holiday goal. I do feel slimmer though so that's good

ImATotJeSuisUneTot Mon 16-Sep-13 06:45:08

Morning all! <marks place>

Another 1lb off this week, very pleased. grin

4lbs off grin hooray. So that's 8lb over 3 weeks & I'm still adjusting. In the last week I learned that I need to eat more fat and add salt.

Thank you for the support and wise words BiWi.

bigkidsdidit Mon 16-Sep-13 06:56:57

I've lost 1lb.

I was a bit disappointed, but I had two glasses of wine, almonds until I realised they were only for veggies, and possibly not enough water and too much caffeine. I am taking this as good lessons learned and aiming for a perfect week!

Even so - I've had the most delicious week's food, Brie omelettes, roast chicken where I ate all the skin etc and I still lost a pound! Not a bad way of living!

halfthesize Mon 16-Sep-13 07:03:08

brew morning all and thanks BIWI for all the support.
well done/good luck everyone for todays weigh in.
I have lost 2lbs which considering I'm half way through totm I am very pleasedwink

MrsSnuffleupagus Mon 16-Sep-13 07:07:16

OMG!!!! I have just stepped on the scales and lost....8lb!!!!! shock shock grin grin I know, I know it's probably mostly water but it's certainly motivating! grin

So lesson for this week is I think I still need to eat more in general, lunchtimes are my biggest issue mainly due to poor planning, but I'm off to the supermarket this morning so will stock up on things to make a few batches of soup I think. Also I need to cut down on the tea. That's my biggest struggle.

Happy weighing losers grin

charlie7 Mon 16-Sep-13 07:12:31

I've lost 5lbs which I'm really pleased about. I can't keep up with the thread (just started working again this week- struggling for time) but it really helps having the support and knowing others are doing this! Thank you for the guidance BIWI! Let's hope I can keep it going for another week!

sybilfaulty Mon 16-Sep-13 07:15:25

Thanks for the thread BIWI. 4lb off for me today. Really pleased.

Good luck everyone

charlie7 Mon 16-Sep-13 07:18:19

Oh and I've added my weight to spreadsheet but it's not updated how much I've lost altogether? I wonder of it's because I'm doing this on my phone?

Torrorosso Mon 16-Sep-13 07:27:06

2lb off which I am delighted with. smileI don't have much to lose and at the start struggled to get my head around eating so much fat - I wasn't convinced it would work for me.

My skin is better than it's ever been too.

Preparation is the key - I have made sure I take lunch to work with me every day and have a fridge full of the right foods.

Sainsburys sell little packs of dry olives which are handy to carry around as snacks (though I've only needed them once).

MrsMaryCooper Mon 16-Sep-13 07:28:37

The same weight but waist emerging!

NewStartNewStory Mon 16-Sep-13 07:29:37

Oh bother, meant to weigh this morning but i have just remembered and i have already drunk 1 ltr of water and eaten a BAB. So will have to weight tomo.

Oh and the consensus is contact lens weigh less then glasses, just to help shift those extra pounds like wink

SteppingOnLego Mon 16-Sep-13 07:34:11

Really pleased to have lost 3lb despite eating a bit of apple crumble on Saturday (felt obliged). Have stuck to it apart from that though and not finding it too hard. Spurring me on to keep going with it. I have also had to tighten the belt on my work trousers by a hole!

emblosion Mon 16-Sep-13 07:34:11

Morning all, 5lb off for me :-) will update spreadsheet when I'm on the laptop :-)

No loss for me as BIWI predicted as I'm on my third week, however I have lost 5cm from my waist and 6cm around my tummy this week smile

Well done everyone smile

My only, solitary complaint so far is that my hair is too silky! I kind of relied on the thatch effect to give it some volume, so now it's kind of smooth and glossy & sits too close to my head. I'll live grin

I had a lovely time yesterday predicting my future losses. I allowed for a probably very pessimistic rate of slow down & a few potential stalls. I found this to be useful when I successfully (in the shortish term) did ww years ago. Looking at my calendar and seeing that I was behind where I'd predicted gave me a kick up the bum. Seeing I was ahead gave me a buzz.

Anyway, I calculate that I could have a total of 2st off by Christmas & another 2 1/2 st off by next July. I'm trying to be realistic. If I got to that, I'd be the lightest in adult life and the thought thrills me that I could buy some lovely size 10 jeans on my birthday next year.

I feel so confident and positive that I can do this as I'm just not feeling deprived at all.

<happy sigh> uncommon for me on a rainy Monday.

Cherrypi Mon 16-Sep-13 07:46:10

Yes 3.75lbs off. Very pleased. Went to the cinema last night and just had an americano instead of half a giant popcorn and half a huge Pepsi max and you know what it was fine. I didn't feel deprived and didn't come home on a sugar low with kernels in my cleavage. smile

StuntNun Mon 16-Sep-13 07:48:31

Two pounds off - well one really because I gained a pound just before the start of Bootcamp. I've been LCing for 12 weeks though so I won't be losing any water weight at this point. More importantly though - one inch off my waist, I'm going to have to put another hole in my belt. grin grin

Charlie - willie cleverly does that bit I think. You just enter your weekly weight.

Well I weighed (after a pee and a poo! - sorry if TMI). 7lbs off! Very very very pleased. I have never lost that in one week before. But I did stick to it completely. No cheats planned or otherwise. No alcohol. Possibly not enough water and def too much tea so that is challenge for this week.

So that is August's damage gone. Now for July's holiday damage!

Those who struggled last week - it does work. But you can't cheat. It is an unforgiving way of eating and the odd glass of wine or piece of cake might not derail you on other diets but definitely will on this. Bootcamp is only two weeks but it is a tough two weeks. Hence the name bootcamp! Plan, plan, plan. It def helps. Check out the recipe thread. Eat enough food. Eat enough fat. Drink the water. And then drink some more water!

I'll get off my soapbox now! smile

Oh - for those who struggle with lunches - most supermarkets do pots of sandwich fillers - I try to have a pot of egg mayonnaise and a cheese one in the fridge. I find them useful for a quick lunch or breakfast. They are nice spread on slices of ham or beef or turkey and rolled up. I have a lot of salads but vary what goes in. Always a huge pile of leaves, a few chopped cherry toms, chopped cucumber. Then sometime chicken, avocado, chopped grilled peppers in oil from the deli section.. Then I add some Delouis mayonnaise which I add olive oil to and shake well to make a runnier dressing. Or smoked salmon bits or mackerel or tuna with wasabi mayonnaise. Or an old fashioned "Chef's salad" with chopped ham and hard boiled eggs. I also love the little cherry peppers stuffed with ricotta that I know both Sainsburys and M&S do. They are spicy though! I sometimes have three of those with my salad as I find they make it really tasty.

Purple2012 Mon 16-Sep-13 08:04:34

A bit tmi but since I stopped eating flaxseed muffins I haven't been to the loo. I have always had this problem and I was wondering would it be ok to take flaxseed oil capsules or peppermint oil capsules to help me go? I don't want to take them unless I have to but I think I'm getting to a point where I may need to and I don't really want to take laxatives.

loopyloou Mon 16-Sep-13 08:08:19

Well, I've just added my new weight to the spreadsheet - hope it's worked. Down 3 lbs, so I'm happy with that. Also 1 inch off my waist and bum!

Well done to everyone smile

Hurray, 4lbs off! Am so happy as I struggled with temptation yesterday. Feel motivated to keep going now. It's been great getting ideas and support here. smile

well done everyone who's made it to week two!

i haven't lost anything as i have my period, which always makes me stay the same.

Pagwatch Mon 16-Sep-13 08:25:42

Hooray. Managed the first week
Feeling more energetic, way less dull and sluggish (not withstanding the hell that was Sunday morning)
Lost over 3lbs so that's good too, although fitting into a skirt tht was tight last week was even better.
Well done everyone flowers

daisychicken Mon 16-Sep-13 08:28:35

Just marking my place, off to school now so back later!

captainmummy Mon 16-Sep-13 08:29:05

Well dione everyone! It's so great to hear your whoops of joy !

Purple - this WOE does mean that there is less 'waste' to be got rid off, IYSWIM, (a piece of cheese will leave nothing whereas a slice of wholemeal bread will leave lots ...) so there are often stories of being 'constipated' when in fact it is only that you don't have so much bulking your bowel out (!) - i went from daily, to about 2-3 times a week blush. If it really is a problem (ie you are bloated, it's hard to 'go' and you are straining,) then physalis husks (health shops) are often recommended on here - but usually if you are eating (lubricating) fat and drinking loads, you are 'within normal parametres' by only going every few days.
Well done on the weightloss BTW

starrystarryknut Mon 16-Sep-13 08:35:34

6 pounds grin

Have managed to get through week without slipping once (except for 1 glass prosecco to celebrate DD new job). Looks like it paid off. I've definitely toned up as well. I've been combining the WOE with exercise (this is VERY unusual for me!), so every day I do something, be it walking (I'm doing Joanna Hall Walkactive), cycling, zumba, whatever. But the rule is I have to do something everyday.

Ewan thanks for that spinach pie recipe. That looks a winner and would be good cold in a lunch box too.

Auntie Maggie why don't you try tofu for your lunches, if you don't like steak or tuna. You need to buy firm tofu from an Asian supermarket, but if you get the firm variety, you can slice it, dust it in various spices, and fry it till it browns on both sides. Let cool, then put a slice in your lunchbox with some salad veg and a splash of soy sauce or chilli sauce. It's very low carb and tasty. Tofu is not just some weird meat substitute for vegetarians - it's delicious and versatile (am not employed by international tofu marketing agency!!)

Feeling very inspired to keep going.

Purple2012 Mon 16-Sep-13 08:43:34

Thanks captainmummy I don't feel bloated or that I am constipated. I am used to going a couple of times a week so as it is normal I won't worry about it.

Roobot Mon 16-Sep-13 08:45:59

Everyone seems to be doing brilliantly grin
I still can't quite get over the fact that I appear to have lost <whispers> a stone. I got on my scales a few times this morning to check that... I suspect that will lead to a minimal loss next week as I have just got my period, and well, I can't lose that every week, eh...

googoogoggles Mon 16-Sep-13 08:46:37

Thanks for thread and words of wisdom BIWI
I've lost 5llbs this week! Yay!
(NOTE: first week back on Bootcamp and I'm a lardy arse with around 2 stone to shift)
So that means I'm back to where I was at the end of the last Bootcamp (if only I'd kept going...)
Still, a good start and I'm determined to be strict this week – planning meals and trying really hard to drink enough water.
I think the physical craving to eat carbs has now passed (meaning I don't get drawn to that tempting, sugary smell of cakes/pastries) so I wasn't bothered about not having a slab of chocolate cake that DD baked last night). BUT eating when I'm bored or a bit emotional or fed up is a whole other matter... For example, I opened the fridge at around 10.30 last night thinking I could just eat a little something, even though I wasn't hungry... Gave myself a talking to and had a mug of herbal tea instead. What do the rest of you do if you get those sort of non-hungry late night cravings?

bettybigballs Mon 16-Sep-13 08:49:02

3lbs off for me, really pleased. Have also gone through food diary to suss out any carb creep an just to remind myself what delicious food I'm eating. Motivates me when I'm being contrary about not eating bread!

Today's food:

B: egg and ham muffin
L: tuna mayo with cucumber and lettuce
D: leftover beef stew with buttery cabbage mash and cabbage

Happy Monday and here's to a great week.

googoogoggles Mon 16-Sep-13 08:50:36

Well done everyone for losses by the way – and well done to those who have stuck to it even if they've not had a weight loss show up on the scales because it will if you keep going as I know from last BC!
thanks

Ekduo Mon 16-Sep-13 08:50:58

Lost 2lbs - but definitely losing weight from waist line. We're all low carbing - even the cats!

cathyandclaire Mon 16-Sep-13 08:53:09

Purple I use Psyllium husks and they do the trick for me smile

4.5lb off here <does small dance on kitchen table> I am genuinely staggered as I've been low carbing for a year and don't have loads to lose, it just goes to show how much my carbs had crept up and how a strict week can really work even for old-timers.

Well done to all the losers whether it's pounds or inches, off to snarf some scrambled eggs and bacon.

Just weighed and I'm down by 2 pounds which I'm really pleased with. I've been low carbing for a year and a half now, dropping just over 3 stone but the dreaded carb creep has been taking it's toll and I hadn't lost anything for 4 months.

BIWI Mon 16-Sep-13 08:59:56

Yay! It's lovely to hear all this! Well done. flowers

HighJinx Mon 16-Sep-13 09:00:22

Hooray 3lbs off and feeling much less bloated.
I am trying lots of new recipes to keep myself motivated.
Well done everyone thanks

AmayaBuzzbee Mon 16-Sep-13 09:00:41

Purple - I think the coconut oil in my coffee sorts me out on that front :-)

Nearly 3lbs loss which I am really pleased about! I don't have a huge amount to lose, so expected to go slower. I can see my shape changing/emerging, which is lovely! smile

silverangel Mon 16-Sep-13 09:24:47

I can't get on the spreadsheet but am 10lb down overall since starting two weeks ago - although 2.8lb up since I last weighed myself on Friday when I ate half a mars bar and had a few glasses of vino on Saturday night.

LCHammer Mon 16-Sep-13 09:29:13

I lost 1.2 kg. Very pleased.

78bunion Mon 16-Sep-13 09:33:43

Have not got properly started yet (and not got a lot to lose) so stayed the same but still encouraged.....

NorkyButNice Mon 16-Sep-13 09:36:00

3lb off for me, very happy with that.

Well done everyone!

doradoo Mon 16-Sep-13 09:40:36

Have been bad, very bad and it shows - .9lbs on.....

So will start afresh this week and see if I can be good.

NewStartNewStory Mon 16-Sep-13 09:45:27

You can do it Doradoo I am also a week behind after a horrendous week no excuses just fact will do boot camp strict for another week when others move onto bootcamp light. <sticks out a handle and hawls Doradoo back onto the wagon>

halfthesize Mon 16-Sep-13 09:55:31

Fantastic losses WOHOO grin

CrabbyBigBottom Mon 16-Sep-13 10:02:12

7lbs off this week. smile smile

Just to echo what BIWI and Cider have already put so well...

If you are a carby twat, you will not lose the weight! grin
Once you are through your two weeks of strict bootcamp and your body has adjusted, the occasional treat probably won't cause too much damage to your weightloss, but during the first couple of weeks you need to reset your body and tastes. If you eat processed crap, you are putting yourself back to square one. Honestly, it isn't worth it.

Why would you make all this effort and then sabotage yourself?? confused you've got the rest of your life to eat cake/mars bars/minstrels/chips/pizza (some of the things I can recall listed in confession on the week 1 thread! grin), this is just two weeks out of your life, and then you're onto bootcamp light where you can have nuts, berries, wine etc. believe me, after two weeks, those strawberries and clotted cream will taste as sweet as the ambrosia of heaven. wink

Onwards and downwards, Campers!

flowers for the losers and a big encouraging bootcamp hug for those of you struggling - it is worth the effort! smile

Jelly15 Mon 16-Sep-13 10:06:52

Hi All. Lost 1 lb but not to worry it is my time of the month. Looking foward to next week. Should show a good weight loss.

Negroni Mon 16-Sep-13 10:09:21

Am 3lbs down. Very grateful as had off piste meals last Tuesday and Wednesday. At least this has allowed me 4 days of strict low carbing before weigh in today. But aware I probably would have lost a pound or 2 more if I had stuck to it all week. However for the first time am back at my lowest weight since the last bootcamp at start of July.

So thanks BIWI for doing this and newbies, don't cheat if you can help it, it isn't worth it!

NigellasGuest Mon 16-Sep-13 10:15:43

I gave in to emotional eating last night. Having had a "good" day, I had 2 glasses of red wine followed by a small portion of plum pie & custard, and a bar of chocolate.

It was emotional eating, nothing more and nothing less. I must try and be a bit more forearmed against this type of thing! Back on the wagon today however.....

IBO Mon 16-Sep-13 10:24:41

Morning..

I deserve BIWI's stick for few glassess of wiine over the weekend.. But I was good with food all week and lost amazing 5.6 lbs last week.

Nigellasguest I hope you are ok... brew

Well done to all losers!

twistyfeet Mon 16-Sep-13 10:36:16

Another 2pounds gone despite saturday being a fast day (religious) which ended with a carby thing. Only 3 more pounds to go and I'm at my goal and into the choccy

NigellasGuest Mon 16-Sep-13 10:36:27

Onwards and upwards today, IBO!
And wow what an amazing loss you have had - 5.6 lbs! thanks thanks

I just posted on the week 1 thread, so won't do another big post, but have basically been a carby twat and put 2lb on thesad i really need to cut my association with emotions and over eating!

Please could someone put me on the spreadsheet. I am 11 st 10 lb onsad

IBO Mon 16-Sep-13 11:12:40

Thanks NigellasGuest - It easy to lose weight on the first week. I will be very happy to lose 1 or at least 0.5 lb next week smile

best of luck to you smile!!

Very wise words BIWI.

I have lost 3.6lbs this week and I'm pleased with that. I have been low carbing since the new year but with more and more carb creep towards then end of the summer but it hasn't really affected my weight much. So I'm back on the bootcamp properly (I really really missed my couple of glasses of wine on a sat eve tho'!)

I'm hoping to get to 2 stone off at the start next week (so close but so far...). I feel so much slimmer I put on a skirt this morning and it was massive (struggled to get in it last year) so I hit my 'too small' drawer... I put one of my old old skirts on and it was a bit on the big side grin grin grin.

Stick with it, it's good good feeling.

Mouseface Mon 16-Sep-13 11:56:30

Morning Campers,

Firstly - Sorry BIWI for posting about cheating or rather failing over the last few days, I take your point about it being unhelpful to others.

Thank you all so much for all of your suggestions for my bowel issues smile I am making notes and am going to try them all! It's now getting close to a week again since going to the loo...... sad blush

daisy - the GP gives me senna, fybogel, and movicol (sp?) The fybogel makes me swell up and I find it sickly, movicol is vicious! And lactulose is loaded with sugar/sweeteners so I struggle to take it! Sorry to seem ungrateful, I'm not! Thank you daisy xxx

Crabby - thank you too smile

So, how much vit C do I need to take, does anyone know, gms or mls wise? Either? I drink at least 2.5 ltr every day. Thank you for your help xxx

OK - I've not lost weight, I've added 3lbs but I think it's waste [bush]

Dropped 4" from my waist, Down 1 size to a 10 at the bottom.

Down 2 sizes to a 12 on top.

Dropped 2" from my back.

Dropped 2 " from my hips.

Well done to those who have lost weight or inches, KEEP GOING EVERYONE! xxx

BIWI Mon 16-Sep-13 12:00:29

Shall we get some t-shirts made?

"I am a carby twat"

grin

BIWI Mon 16-Sep-13 12:01:43

Really interesting piece here about fruit and fruit consumption - especially if you are a diabetic - some evidence that fruit can actually be helpful if you are a type 2 diabetic.

It's worth reading this all the way through. At the end, there's a table showing the fructose content of various fruits, which is really interesting.

halfthesize Mon 16-Sep-13 12:17:53

Loving "I'm a Carby Twat" t shirts idea grin

twistyfeet Mon 16-Sep-13 12:21:43

what happens after bootcamp? Where do we go?

I'm a bit jealous of all you big losers! I have lost a pound, but I'm feeling slimmer (wish I'd measured). Also I seem to have got over the carb flu finally - woke up feeling much better this morning.
B: a whole avocado with olive oil dressing, a tomato, cup of chai (no milk)
L: curried cauliflower soup, tuna salad with mayo
D: Black Farmer sausages with broccoli

Does anyone else's dp/dh think they are a faddy weirdo for attempting this? Mine has no comprehension at all of struggling to lose weight or why anyone would need to do anything other than 'eat a bit less, exercise a bit more'.

QueenQueenie Mon 16-Sep-13 12:31:17

"My name is .... and I'm a carby twat"!
How about a logo of bag of chips? Mars Bar?

sorry. i should have read the OP properly. Didn't mean to cause any offence by writing about my failure. Just wanted to hold myself accountable so I can turn it around.

BIWI ... I'll take that stick and beat myself I think!!

BIWI Mon 16-Sep-13 12:47:24

twistyfeet - when Bootcamp ends, we generally keep one chat thread going for as long as we want to.

Glad you're feeling better, holmes!

Pleaseandthankyou Mon 16-Sep-13 12:49:15

I echo what crabbysmallbottom said. You really need to stick to this at the start. I lost 7 pounds in the first few weeks of the last bootcamp. I then had one day way off piste. It was a special occasion. I put 7lbs back on overnight. It came off again over the next week or so but that was a bit of a shock. After doing this for several months an away does not have the same effect. The difference now is I only eat carbs that are really worth it. If you have just started do keep at it. It definitely works and it gets easier.

StuntNun Mon 16-Sep-13 13:10:53

Googoogoggles I have stone in olives (£1 jar from Tesco - nothing fancy) for evening snacking. There's no way you can eat loads of them quickly because of the stones so you just eat what you need.

Snatchoo Mon 16-Sep-13 13:39:03

I've lost about 2lbs which is pretty good, 6lbs in 2 weeks. Was hoping for a bit more but c'est la vie! I'm not going to panic about it, or wallow and allow it to throw me off track.

Haven't cheated <proud> other than 2 or three coffees with milk instead of cream.

Livelongandprosper Mon 16-Sep-13 13:44:01

I did my 12 hour drive to DS's uni and back yesterday - and I did not eat a single sweet thing!!! And I am by nature a sugary twat!!!!grin grin grin grin I have lost 3lbs since Monday and probably more but I suffer from the same affliction as Mouseface and haven't been for a week!sad Anyone got a stick of dynamite?
Well done everyone smile

daisychicken Mon 16-Sep-13 13:47:26

Well done those who've lost!

I've not weighed myself as its totm & i usually get very bloated but my jeans are falling down so I've done somat right!

CarefullyDoesIt Mon 16-Sep-13 14:28:08

Hello, can some lovely person update me to 174 - better than I deserve after a disastrous weekend smile

NewStartNewStory Mon 16-Sep-13 14:45:02

So far I am holding strong against emotional eating. Not sure quite how, but I have. Going to have a quick scrambled eggs before the school run as I feel really hungry. Not sure if real hunger or quite what but I have made the mistake of not eating when hungry and that way disaster lies.

giggly Mon 16-Sep-13 15:41:24

Yeah, down 8.8 lb here, just celebrated with some whipped cream on almond and flax cake. There were chocolates at work today and I was most useful in passing them round.
My motto I want to be thinner than I want chocolate.

twistyfeet Mon 16-Sep-13 16:01:50

are olives allowed on Bootcamp?

tenementfunster Mon 16-Sep-13 16:15:08

5 and 3/4 pounds off

yayyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyy!!!

NewStart - well done on avoiding emotional eating. It's hard! I managed to gain half a stone over August through emotional eating and drinking. Need to find an alternative when faced with crap again.

Twisty feet - yes!

BlackAffronted Mon 16-Sep-13 16:43:18

None off for me as I am just not sticking to it sad

Ruprekt Mon 16-Sep-13 16:55:25

Marking my place

CorrieDale Mon 16-Sep-13 17:02:01

1.6 off here. Not hugely impressive compared with the excellent losses most others have had but I'm happy enough. I think being veggie makes it harder to keep the carbs low. Feeling hugely bloated today, which is odd and I think adversely affected my weigh in.

I have been feeling not wholly committed to the plan. I love not feeling hungry but I'm finding it tough going not being able to just say 'fuck it, it's pasta tonight'. But I realised today it's only 10 weeks. Well, 9 now. And I can manage that.

Off to Bath tomorrow for the night with 2 friends. First night ever away from the children - they're 8 & 6! I shall do my very best to stay on plan.

BerylStreep Mon 16-Sep-13 17:14:48

Afternoon all. Marking place.

Doing something with chicken tonight, not sure what. Did I read something recently about parmesan chicken soaked in buttermilk? And can anyone inspire me what to do with it? I have spinach, aubergine, peppers, mushrooms and a turnip.

Possibly some sort of parmagiana affair? Have got mozzarella balls in the fridge and any amount of cheese.

timidviper Mon 16-Sep-13 17:58:10

I have not weighed today as I am eating sensibly and mindfully at the moment then starting properly when we get back from holiday in 2 weeks. Don't want to drop off the spreadsheet though so I am entering myself as 100 each week until then. Is that ok?

timidviper Mon 16-Sep-13 18:01:56

Ooh, just in case that sounds a bit wishy-washy, can I just tell you that I bought a top from Evans and had to get not just one size below my normal, but TWO! grin

Cherrypi Mon 16-Sep-13 18:22:08

Just had an amazing tea of slow cookered garlic chicken. Yum. Never tried just doing meat in the slow cooker before. Normally just do stews. Had it with green beans.

googoogoggles Mon 16-Sep-13 18:46:02

Thanks for tip re olives with stones stuntnun - will have to try that! I did some cheese crisps with cheddar a couple of nights ago for a snack but they were awful – way too greasy. Maybe I didn't leave them in long enough?
Am just frying up some chicken strips in loads of butter for dinner and have made a coleslaw (mostly cabbage with 1/4 shallot a tiny bit of grated carrot) – who knew I could get so excited about the prospect of a bit of chicken and coleslaw but there you go, I am.
First day feeling like I had more energy today –and a much brighter mood. (Don't think I'll ever have sleek and shiny hair again though – too many years of hiding the grey bits!)
Kept refilling a 750 ml bottle of water today with the aim of drinking x4 minimum a day. (It's got one of those squeezy tops which DOES help, strangely, as someone has already reported)
Black get back up on the wagon _ you pulled me up a few times last BC (hv name-changed)
Keep going everyone!
It's taken me so long to type this (keep tending said chicken), forgive me if I'm ignoring last few posts!

BIWI Mon 16-Sep-13 18:49:36

timidviper - that's brilliant! flowers

PMMummy Mon 16-Sep-13 18:54:47

I forgot to weigh this morning, or should I say it was a very unorganised dash out of the house to work and school etc. I shall be updating in the morning, fingers crossed evil Mother Nature has pissed off completely wink

loopyloou Mon 16-Sep-13 18:57:54

Had a good day today, although haven't drunk much water due to a very busy day at work.

B: egg mayo with sausage
L: cold chicken with salad with HM dressing
D: curry made with left over roast pork with swede and spinach
A: 2 thin slices cold grilled bacon, 1 mini pepperami

CrabbyBigBottom Mon 16-Sep-13 18:59:00

Iblame and Mouse I think it's absolutely fine to say when you're finding things difficult and when you've fallen off the wagon - that way we can beat you with the big stick support you and haul you back aboard.

I think what BIWI maybe meant was for those of us who've been doing low carb for quite a while, this isn't the time to post about going off-piste and eating stuff that isn't allowed on bootcamp - after you've been doing it a while you get a good idea of what you can and can't have without causing a stall/gain, but for the people who are just starting now/restarting after a long gap, it's really important not to cheat at all in these early days. It's pretty hard to stick to bootcamp for those two weeks, and thinking that you can go a bit off-road and still lose weight is going to end in frustration and disappointment for most people.

Correct me if I'm wrong BIWI! grin

Mouseface Mon 16-Sep-13 19:09:11

<waves to Rupret> smile

B - crustless ham & quiche (slither of) HB egg, low carb sausage, with mayo.

L - chicken and mayo salad with grated cheddar on top.

D - ? not sure yet, I'm not hungry, I did buy some frozen broccoli, peas and sweetcorn, so may fry them off in some butter and have some chicken wrapped in bacon with a cream and garlic sauce.......

It's one of those nights when I need someone to cook for me and make me it eat...... grin

Hope everyone's doing okay? xxx

Oh and thank you BIWI - just for being you thanks xxx

Pretty amazing 1 stone off Roobot! respect

Purple2012 Mon 16-Sep-13 19:30:37

Had another good non diet coke day so that's 4 days now. I've almost stopped craving it.

twistyfeet Mon 16-Sep-13 19:43:30

forgot to say
B. 2 egg scrambled egg with a dollop of greek yogurt
L olives
D Made a mess of fried mushrooms, cabbage and sardines as couldnt think of anything to eat. Fried in butter.

Having stalled on maintenance lo-carb its coming off again now I've gone back to Bootcamp. 0.6 kg since I asked BIWI's advice last wed (?)

StuntNun Mon 16-Sep-13 19:46:38

Beryl 'twas me that posted the turkey marinaded in buttermilk, coated with Parmesan 'breadcrumbs' and fried in butter. It was delish. DH was chided about buying turkey but in his defence it was very cheap.

I fell off the wagon bigstyle today after a disastrous day that I'm still not sure how I'm going to get through the rest of. At least I have six days before my next weighing so I'll drink lots of water and clamber back on the wagon.

Negroni Mon 16-Sep-13 19:50:53

Some amazing losses here and very well done too timid for moving down the clothes sizes - great when that happens. I really want this to happen to me soon as have been same size for ages - first it was tight, then ok, now loose. Fingers crossed next week or the week after will be a week of putting falling down loose jeans to the back of a drawer and bringing out some tight ones I have only wore once in 2010, after losing weight and then getting ill, dropping my weight temporarily for an all too brief month!

BerylStreep Mon 16-Sep-13 19:55:48

B: 2 poached eggs mixed in a cup with butter, salt & pepper.

L: None, had to come home at lunchtime to fix the toilet that my cleaner had inexplicably broken (pretty proud of my plumbing skills)

D: It started off as chicken soaked in buttermilk, to be coated with parmesan and fried, but it was too faffy, so I added chopped fresh parsley and threw the remainder of the chicken, buttermilk and parmesan into the pan en masse, fried it off, then added half a rather elderly jar of tomato type stuff. Added the (also elderly) mozzarella balls to melt over it, and served on a bed of homegrown rocket and basil. It turned out rather well considering.

BIWI thanks for putting the boot into bootcamp. We all need it. I have a formal to go to in precisely 12 days and haven't a clue what I am going to wear.

BerylStreep Mon 16-Sep-13 19:56:46

StuntNun X post. Thanks for the inspiration smile

NewStartNewStory Mon 16-Sep-13 20:08:42

may i suggest clothes beryl?

ds prevent me from snacking as we have been sorting his stuff out. I am now too tired to be bothered to pick and am going to collapse into bed for an early night. Sleep for me is key to not giving into emotional eating. Less I sleep harder it is to resist.

B: bacon, mushrooms and fried eggs
L: tuna and cheese melt over cauliflower
T: "Mince" and cheese (mince had mushrooms and leeks added)
s: scrambled eggs

I am going to ignore the fact it was dairy heavy and go with the sticking to plan. Aiming to include more veg tomo.

Checking in to say how brilliant it is to see done bug weight losses! Well done
Those who haven't dont despair - remember everyone whooshes at different times. I would take a look though and make sure you haven't cheated somewhere or hidden carbs in some packet foods.

I am weighing in on wed and would be happy with 1lb off.
Missed breakfast as bounced from meeting to meeting even though I had my Greek yogurt with me.
L cheese and mushroom omelette
D salmon, broccoli and feta bake out of the IPD cookbook which is yum And the dc eat it too

Thanks crabby I am well and try back on the wagon,& even more determined to crack on this week!

ImATotJeSuisUneTot Mon 16-Sep-13 20:44:52

B- Greek Yogurt
L-Thai Red Curry Kebabs & 2 pieces of vegetable frittata
D-Cheese and Chorizo stuffed chicken breast, with 2 flat mushrooms.

Also just had one Hotel Chocolat 90% dark chocolate baton.

caughtintheact Mon 16-Sep-13 20:54:20

lol at 'clothes' NSNS my dad always used to say that...

I have lost 3.5 lbs this week, which is my best loss since my first week, back in July. I have made more of an effort to stick to the bootcamp rules and upped my water intake as I hadn't really bothered with it before. I guess it really does do something! (proffers wrist for slapping)

Can't really decide what my goal weight is though, would like not to have a wodge of tummy fat mostly but no idea if this is achievable now I'm not 19 and mostly existing on cigarettes...

Ruprekt Mon 16-Sep-13 20:55:59

I started Bootcamp a week earlier than everyone else and have lost 7lbs!!

No weightloss this week but that is ok. The food I am eating is so delicious that I am motivated to carry on!

I am 177lbs today. (Started in Jan at 194lbs!!smilesmilesmile)

B....ff yoghurt, celery, boursin

L....ham salad with mashed swede

D....chilli with amazing cauliflower rice
Parmesan shortbread with cold butter. Mmmmmmmmm!!

Well done losers!

Keep the faith!!

The cake, wine, carbs and choc will not make you feel better....you just sabotage your hard work......keep going! thanksthanksthanks

pixiegumboot Mon 16-Sep-13 21:01:22

Tea tonight, those lamb bite balls from the recipe thread, cream & harrissa sauce, fried courgette ribbons with leek, butter, salt. Bloody lovely.

BIWI Mon 16-Sep-13 21:16:27

Thanks, Crabby - you have it exactly right!

I know that Bootcamp is hard. And I also know that low carbing anyway can prove to be a challenge. The world, sadly, isn't really set up for us low carbers! And there are always going to be times and occasions when we will end up eating far more carbs than we should do/we feel comfortable with.

Last night, for me, is a very good case in point. I went to have dinner with an old friend, who had arranged for some other (mutual) friends to join us, as a surprise - which was lovely. But the restaurant that they had booked was a Chinese, and the food was communal/sharing - so even though my individual choices were as low carb as I could make them, I ended up having to share with them, and eat stuff I wouldn't normally have ordered. In that situation, the only thing to do is to accept it, and enjoy it.

But what my OP was about was to make everyone who is new to low carbing aware of the reason why it's so important to stick to it in the first two weeks.

And there is a big difference between being in a situation where you can't avoid carbs and a situation where you are choosing to eat carbs. Emotional eating and PMT are all difficult to deal with, but you do have to learn to do it. No-one else can do it for you, sadly.

toomuchicecream Mon 16-Sep-13 21:29:58

caughtintheact - wodge of tummy fat

A few years ago my mum had leukaemia and lost so much weight I could see every single one of her vertebrae including her tail bone. She still had a roll of fat on her tummy. So I'm afraid you might have to just accept that one!

(My mum's fine now - made a full recovery)

I've been good <avoids stick>

B - scrambled egg and fried mushrooms
L - broccoli and stilton soup
D - cod (cooked in butter), ratatouille, salad
S - greek yogurt; also some cheese

Timidviper - going down in clothes sizes is fab! Well done.

And well done on losses everyone else.

Good day here. Had breakfast late as went for run first then got soaked on way back and got straight into shower. Had egg mayo and a cold sausage. Late lunch of big salad with chicken. Dinner was meatballs and tomato sauce on fried courgette strips. Oh- snack of roast chicken at 5. Lots of water. Not sure how many glasses though - need to start checking them off. 3 cups of tea.

Roobot Mon 16-Sep-13 21:51:26

Thanks Lily smile Am pretty chuffed myself! Once I shake this cold I am dying to get to the gym! Everyone seems to be doing so well!
Made lush chilli burgers tonight. Am feeling stuffed!

bettybigballs Mon 16-Sep-13 21:51:42

Parmesan shortbread sounds delicious ruprekt, is it a special recipe?

Loving reading all the losses, so inspiring.

dementedma Mon 16-Sep-13 22:09:03

Disappointed to only lose a pound and finding boot camp quite difficult. Did have a couple of slip ups but can honestly say I tried really really hard so has hoped for more of a loss on the scales. Oh well, have definitely lost inches and clothes feel looses so not all bad. Is coffee with milk not allowed? Coffee with cream makes me gag and I'm not even thinking about the whole coffee with butter scenario on here <gulps hard>

BIWI Mon 16-Sep-13 22:11:37

5K run for me this morning, and session at the gym with my trainer tomorrow, so hopefully will undo the worst of yesterday!

Went out for lunch with DH today (he had the day off) and had cheeseburger, with no bun and no fries, but extra salad.

Dinner tonight was roast chicken, leeks panfried in butter, with chilli and cream, and red cabbage braised in butter with shallots and raspberry vinegar. And cheese and flaxseed crackers, made as a gift for me by the lovely Willie!

caughtintheact Mon 16-Sep-13 22:23:03

sad glad your mum has recovered, toomuchicecream. What a horrible thing to go through. Puts my vanity into perspective!

BIWI Mon 16-Sep-13 22:27:13

demented - but at least you are down rather than having gained! It isn't easy, and it takes a bit of time to get used to it. Coffee with milk isn't great, although it obviously depends on how many you have during the day.

sybilfaulty Mon 16-Sep-13 22:30:14

I swam for an hour this morning, which was great as I am allegedly a strong swimmer, but hadn't been for 6 weeks as over the hols I was either at work or looking after the children. Today was the first day I had all 3 at school all day. Wow. Got so much done. Am expecting not to be able to move tomorrow though.

Supper here was leftover kale and roasted celeriac, fried into a sort of hash with a friend egg and salad. It was fab. Better even than with the roast the day before. Gosh i love food.

It's my birthday tomorrow - so far no one has mentioned cake and I am fortunately at work then taking kids to piano lesson so I might be able to escape it. There are however three fairy cakes left over from today's bake session so if the kids want to sing happy birthday, I'll pop a candle in and they can eat one each. I'll eat a babybel to keep them company.

Sleep well everyone and try not to get up too often to wee!

sybilfaulty Mon 16-Sep-13 22:32:58

Too much, glad your mum has recovered.

Demented, I can't bear coffee with cream either. The texture is too slippery, even for a fat fiend like me. I have one cup of coffee with milk a day and rest of the time (black or herbal) tea. It's a bummer I know. DOn't be too down about your pound. If you stick with it, you will lose the weight. I find my loss to be slow and steady (with lots of weeks of STS for apparently no reason).

Chin up lovely flowers

whodunnit Mon 16-Sep-13 22:53:31

Managed to get another 2kg (4 pounds?) off this week. There is definately a waist appearing, although its a bit saggy at present. I feel I have so much more energy and don't feel stiff. I am delighted and am not hungry at all. Started last week and lost 4kg last week.
This is good. Nearly down to my fullypregnant weight now!

Good luck to us all...

janmoomoo Mon 16-Sep-13 22:56:06

I have lost 8lbs in three weeks on this WOE. But I have had times where my weight has gone up. I am recording it each day on an app and it does help to be able to see the whole downward graph.

Sorry but I don't like reading about people slip ups either, its demotivating. But together we can do this! Come on losers, heads down for another week. grin

CrabbyBigBottom Mon 16-Sep-13 23:39:02

Well done all the losers! flowers Keep at it everyone, it's so worth it!

Purple big well done you for kicking your diet coke habit.

Food today
L - boursin and tomatoes
S - few mouthfuls leftover roast, couple mouthfuls egg mayonnaise
D - chicken, mushrooms and leeks in a creamy cheesy sauce with courgette 'pasta'.
Loads of water, 2 teas

hazchem Tue 17-Sep-13 00:21:19

It's great to read the success stories.
I'm feeling really positive having lost 4 pounds!

Also have a little halo as I finally graduated yesterday (ten years after finishing my Diploma) and I didn't have a drink to celebrate smile

I do however have a funeral to attend on Friday and I think I will have a drink or two then. The friend was a big drinker and it would feel a bit disrespectful not to. My plan is to make sure I drink loads of water and really keep the carbs really low all week.

Lavenderhoney Tue 17-Sep-13 06:22:30

Keeping going- dh wanted to open some champagne last night but I said no shock and asked him to wait til next week.

I went to bed early too, as I wanted some and knew as soon as I brushed my teeth and got into bed I wouldn't eat/ drink anything apart from water, so at least I'm getting some early nightssmile

Well done all the loserssmile

hazchem Tue 17-Sep-13 07:41:19

Lavenderhoney I've been going to bed early all week. I'm feeling better for it. I think it helping with the night time craving which I suspect are not hunger but tiredness.

Made flapjacks with DS today did not even lick the bowl. brimming with pride at myself and feeling great about really being on right path.

Woo hoo! Woke up feeling lighter this morning and lo and behold - a further 2 pounds if since yesterday! I think cutting down the dairy must have made a difference. I can really see a difference in the mirror too.

prettybird Tue 17-Sep-13 08:15:47

Lovely meal last night of pork loin steaks fried in butter with roasted curried cauliflower and creamy leeks.

Managed to resist a chocolate chip cookie later on by having a glass of water instead shame about earlier in the day blush

Happy birthday Sybil!. Great babybel plan.

I am mysteriously 2lb heavier than yesterday but I've decided not to sweat the small stuff unless its a Monday

Prettybird! Bad girl! No choc chip cookies on bootcamp!

Holmess - I think dairy affects me too. Well done on that loss!

Crabby - your dinner last night sounds yummy. Must remember that. Don't suppose you would post the recipe? I am not an instinctive cook and need instructions!

Just had egg mayo for breakfast. Two cups of tea. Won't have any more today. I love one after lunch but will have lemon and ginger instead.

Not sure about lunch yet but dinner will be lamb steak I think. It will be early as have a PTA meeting at 6 (daft time). I have a bag of spinach leaves so will have that as a salad with the lamb and fry some shallots and half a red pepper and a couple of cherry toms and make a creamy Harissa sauce to put on top.

Have a good day everyone. Drink the water. Stay away from the crap. It's NOT worth it!

Oh. Happy Birthday Sybil!

Torrorosso Tue 17-Sep-13 09:45:57

After recording my 2lb loss yesterday, and sticking to the rules throughout, today I am bloated and 1lb heavier than yesterday. I can't work out how that has happened!

It feels like wheat or wine belly, but I haven't touched either. The only thing I can think it might be is some Cheddar cheese I had on Sunday - probably about 4oz. Last week I only had full fat Philly and lost weight.

I'll try to do some cardio exercise tonight and see if that helps.

I also feel a tad hormonal today (52 and going through menopause), so that may be linked.

Pagwatch Tue 17-Sep-13 09:49:31

Morning all.

Boiled eggs for breakfast , loads of water.
Off to the gym grin

Hooray.

StuntNun Tue 17-Sep-13 09:58:44

Cider did you know our very own Crabby is a celebrity? She has a low carb food blog!

prettybird Tue 17-Sep-13 10:05:25

In my defence, I had manned a cake stall on Sunday afternoon and not touched a single thing! grin

Unfortunately there were lots of chocolate chip cookies left over

StuntNun - I did know that but had forgotten! Thanks for reminder and link. smile

Prettybird - think I would rather have had the cake!

BIWI Tue 17-Sep-13 10:42:30

Torro - don't worry about it. Your body does naturally fluctuate. If you're going to weigh daily, you will have to accept that.

If you're feeling bloated, it's worth trying to drink a bit more water to see if that helps.

But otherwise - onwards and downwards!

just a quick post from work, where the british heart foundation were in doing quick health checks. i got my cholesterol, blood sugar and blood pressure done

after 18 months of low carb and (very) high fat, all results were well within normal. obviously this is a sample of one and your mileage may vary wink, but hopefully this is at least a little reassuring to people still thinking at the back of their mind 'but what about the cholesterol!' grin

ToomuchIsBackOnBootcamp Tue 17-Sep-13 11:19:10

Hi all, am madly behind with everything in life at the moment, so just dashing in to say 3lbs off after week one (I'm almost a year doing LC but had a rather off plan few weeks in the summer hols)

Yesterday's food
B one fried egg with a few small tomatoes
L spring greens, 2 slices bacon, mushrooms all fried in butter and the bacon fat, topped with half an avocado. Yum.
D beef stew with lots of veg
S duck pâté on cucumber slices

As the weather gets chillier, I have starting drinking water that is half from the tap and half cooled boiled water from the kettle. I find this easier than freezing cold, esp first thing in the morning. I get easily get 3 big mugs of tepid water down while I stare out the window get going in the morning, more than I could drink if it was cold. I also make sure I drink a glass with every cup of (decaff) coffee I have. And I also drink in tandem with the dog! He's pretty self regulating and is a good reminder, so if he trots off to his bowl to have a big drink after a walk or play, then I trot off to the kitchen and grab another mug full!

Great news on the cholesterol willie.
Catch up on thread later, have a good y'all.

charlie7 Tue 17-Sep-13 11:43:56

Just bought size 12 trousers for the first time in years! Over the moon! Sorry... Bit random as I don't post often, but wanted to share!

Twit Tue 17-Sep-13 11:47:07

I know everyone loses at their own rate but 1 lb? Grrr. I haven't even cheated ffs. Well ten peanuts on Saturday. Literally.
Ah well I look and feel a bit better I 'spose <grumpy>.

BeattieBow Tue 17-Sep-13 11:53:48

3lb off for me too which I'm pleased about as I had a couple of bad days (tea at claridges, had to have champagne and little cakes and sandwiches!).

I had underestimated the carbs in cabbage and tomatoes so will be cutting down on those this week - I found some ketostix in my cupboard just to keep me on the straight and narrow.

3lb off my lowest weight then another 8 to go to ideal weight!

Well done Charlie! Enjoy

janmoomoo Tue 17-Sep-13 12:51:45

For those frustrated at lack of weight loss, keep at it. I have found that I lose some, then put on a couple of pounds overnight, stay at that for three or four days, then lose a pound a day for the next three or four days. Then it starts again with another gain. This has happened three times. But overall I am eight pounds down from where I started. Think of the big picture, we are in it for the long haul, it will happen, and we are healthier too (thats my little mantra after scales torture!)

NigellasGuest Tue 17-Sep-13 12:53:29

I had another emotionally bad time last night BUT did not give in to any emotional eating. Still on the wagon and proud!! grin

CrabbyBigBottom Tue 17-Sep-13 12:53:52

Thanks Stunt! grin I haven't put anything up for ages; haven't had the time really. I did take some pics the other day so must get on with it and draft a post.

Cider make your courgette pasta like this and preferably leave it to dry out on kitchen towel for a while (less soggy when you cook it, that way).

Slice some leeks (I used two for two people) and dice some mushrooms. Fry them gently on a low heat for about half an hour, stirring from time to time to stop them sticking, this lets all the moisture evaporate off and leaves them lovely and soft. I'd usually use butter with a smidgen of olive oil to fry them, but yesterday I used some of the chicken fat I'd reserved from the roast. Add plenty of freshly ground black pepper. towards the end of the cooking time I added a clove of chopped garlic, some rosemary and thyme and the leftover roast chicken. When it's all ready, add a generous dollop of creme fraiche (or slosh of double cream) and a generous dollop of cream cheese. I added in some grated gruyere cheese, but you could use whatever you've got (or indeed none at all!). Blue cheese would be nice with it.

Fry your courgette ribbons in butter on quite a high heat - they only need a couple of minutes as you want them to retain a bit of 'bite' and not go soggy.

flowers Happy Birthday Sybil!!! flowers

janmoomoo i have that little 'bounce' before the loss settles too

Can we really eat pork scratchings? I ate a packet last night and it was heaven smile

captainmummy Tue 17-Sep-13 13:47:17

Happy birthday sybil!
Well done Nigella - it's important to recognise your triggers.

NigellasGuest Tue 17-Sep-13 13:51:39

oops Happy Birthday sybil!!! thanks thanks

thanks Captain - I'm trying to be mindful!

2lb off! wheee!
Went to the gym for the first time in weeks today - it felt really good to feel my muscles working again although I did feel a bit sick by the end... Must remember to ease back into exercise in future confused
I'm walking 4 miles a day now as well as the gym so hopefully that's helping too. 6 weeks until the wedding and 6lb to go...

Can someone speak to HQ about the giant Cadbury Pebbles advertising on the home page. FFS, at least until Bootcamp is over!

surprisedbyjoy Tue 17-Sep-13 14:55:29

Happy Birthday Sybil!

Good to see so many losses here. Unfortunately my scales aren't playing the game and despite sticking to the rules I've seen a small gain this week. Hoping it will shift next week!!

googoogoggles Tue 17-Sep-13 15:03:35

Hope everyone is having a good day – especially Sybil on her birthday thanks
Well done to everyone with losses/smaller sized clothes (I am really hoping to get into some size 12 jeans that have been languishing in a drawer by the end of this bootcamp!)
Today:
B: BAB in local cafe (said no to hash brown, sausage and beans so felt good about that though did have a large (black) Americano and am steeling myself to do something about my coffee addiction
L: left over chicken and home-made coleslaw
D: may be lamb chops with buttered greens OR may try something Crabby's has suggested with veg...

MsInga Yes, pork scratchings are def allowed (not keen on them myself)
Bullet 6lbs in 6 weeks – Yes, you can do it!

happy birthday sybil!

ofcoursethisisanamechange Tue 17-Sep-13 15:17:58

question for starrys starry - how did you get on with your granola? I know we're not allowed yet but looking forward to some crunch in my yoghurt!

Woolfey Tue 17-Sep-13 15:38:28

I did the bootcamp for the summer and lost weight but found that I was focusing too much on the numbers on the scale so although I'll be joining you all doing the bootcamp and staying on the threads for tips and such I won't be adding myself to the spreadsheet as I'd rather weigh myself every few weeks as it just suits me better.
Just wanted to say thanks to BIWI. Your advice on the last bootcamp was brill and I have since bought Dr Briffa's book as well which is also really helpful. This way of eating is a lot easier to follow than a diet and it really does work if you stick to it. Thanks for running it again BIWI smile

LCHammer Tue 17-Sep-13 15:41:33

Ok, so I bought flaxseeds. What do I do with them again? Can I have them as a snack?

NewStartNewStory Tue 17-Sep-13 15:44:17

Happy birthday sybil.

Horrible day timing wise. only just grabbing some lunch. slipped but only into bootcamp light territory as a means to 1. get something in me post training/at lunch at lunchtime and 2. a source of salt. Just going to grab something resembling proper food as out at tea time in another meeting <sigh> Not sure my meals know whether they are coming or going atm but trying to eat at meal times and trying hard to stick to 3 meals a day. No issues wrt emotional eating and actually feeling ok. Weigh in this morning treated me far kinder then I deserved.

For those struggling with emotional eating. it is worth sorting and not ignoring. When you find ways to avoid and to deal with it in a way not through food then you will feel so much better and lighter about it. Stress will still happen but you don't have the additional guilt/self loathing for being weak etc. It isn't easy, no one will tell you it is. But it is worth it in the long run. needs to continue to practise what she preaches

loopyloou Tue 17-Sep-13 16:20:29

Happy birthday Sybil thanks

StuntNun Tue 17-Sep-13 16:34:23

My weight bounces up and down like that as well Jan, it is definitely not linear weight loss. If people feel compelled to weigh themselves daily then I recommend focussing on the Monday weigh in as being the weight that counts, anything else is for information only.

I've been eating a lot of courgettes on this WOE and my fave way to cook them is to cut them into wedges: four for a normal size courgette, six for a big courgette. They're much easier to turn if you're frying them and they don't go as watery as sliced courgettes. If you do slice them then leaving them overnight in the fridge seems to allow them to dry out enough so they don't get waterlogged when cooked.

halfthesize Tue 17-Sep-13 16:52:03

Great news on size 12's Charlie
Happy Birthday Sybil thanks
Home made pork scratchings are amazing grin

Had a good day today:

Brunch - BAB
Dinner - chicken cooked with garlic and chilli and finished off with double cream, served with swede chips

BIWI Tue 17-Sep-13 17:03:33

Happy birthday, Sybil flowers

BIWI Tue 17-Sep-13 17:03:52

Thanks, Woolfey!

CarefullyDoesIt Tue 17-Sep-13 17:05:44

Please, please, please can some kind person update me to 174. Just can't open it on my iPad sad

halfthesize Tue 17-Sep-13 17:49:45

All done Carefully

CarefullyDoesIt Tue 17-Sep-13 18:14:36

Thank you half thanks

prettybird Tue 17-Sep-13 18:20:24

My tip for courgette tagliatelle is to cut the courgette in half lengthways and then try to scoop out as much of the wee watery seed bits as you can (I scrape a teaspoon along those bits I can see), before using the peeler/mandoline to make the tagliatelle strips. I haven't tried drying it - will do so next time.

Bronx Tue 17-Sep-13 18:27:26

Just realised that since I've been low-carbing (two weeks) my concentration span seems to have doubled.
For the past month I've had trouble concentrating on my driving lessons, but yesterdays was actually fantastic. I didn't have trouble remembering whatever jargon he was warbling at me, I could focus, I didn't stress too much about little mistakes.
The only change I've made really is the food I eat, could it really have this big an effect?
Just wondering if it's just all starting to come together or if it really could be the low carbing!

BIWI Tue 17-Sep-13 18:38:24

People do report that it makes them feel sharper, Bronx, so yes it could be!

Really? It made my brain extremely sluggish for a whole week. Better now, but certainly no sharper than usual. Attempted a run yesterday and it was noticeably harder - legs like lead. Maybe I am not yet converting fat to energy very efficiently.

Marking my place for catching up later. I missed the first week as I've been on holiday. Will be making soup later for tomorrow's lunch - can't wait to be on the low carb wagon smile

Today is a prime example of planning your meals.
I took Greek yoghurt with me but due to meetings did t get chance to even put it in the fridge never mind eating it do had to chuck it out.
The only vaguely low carb menu in canteen at work was leek and potato soup so had to eat that and leave the lumps of potato.
Had cheese and cucumber when I got in and not really wanting a meal but DH has made chilli and courgette ribbons.

The perils LC friends, the perils.

I normally have soup in freezer for short notice lunch and always salad stuff but not this morning!!

PMMummy Tue 17-Sep-13 20:20:38

Today I was, and I say so myself, a little bit fab. I am a self confessed chocoholic, can easily eat 3 bars without thinking and can become very very greedy with it. So today we had work cakes and goodies. Before lc I would have seen this as an opportunity to sneak past as many times as I could get away with, probably eating loads as there was loads to be eaten.

Today, nada, nothing, I didnt even WANT any. I ate my chicken, I chomped on my cucumber and I sloshed my water. With no desire to cheat at all.

This is unheard of. Even DH is gobsmacked grin

whodunnit Tue 17-Sep-13 20:23:26

just recording what I had today:-

B - third of an avocado, 1 stick celery, brie type cheese(LC)
L finger of coconut oil (just bought the jar and had to try it), 6 thin slices ham, most of a bag of mixed leaf salad, about 20 pine nuts tiny kernel things
T - finally realised that I am ignoring the kids while I eat like king, so did a fab stir fry chicken, peppers, beansprouts, leek, broccoli ends, and chucked in tin of cocnut milk at the end. Plus lots of spices, but it was still a bit bland. The kids had theirs with rice. Feel slightly less guilty....

1 cup of tea so far, but may need to treat myself to another later.

And walked halfway to work and halfway back -people keep stopping to offer me lifts, and I usually refuse, but the wind was so strong I was owrried that I would be hit by a falling tree.

Just watching bake off and it all looks so lovely. Must change channels.

I decides to count my carbs today, more out of curiosity than anything and have totalled 35g.
I actually think its a good idea to do once in a while because its helped me to understand what sort of quantities to use. Especially 'store cupboard' type ingredients like garlic and Worcester sauce. smile

captainmummy Tue 17-Sep-13 21:11:43

Bullet -what did you eat?
PMmummy - fab!

dementedma Tue 17-Sep-13 21:25:35

Felt totally and utterly shit today. Tried a jog last night and just couldn't force my'legs to move. Today had awful headache, dizzy, felt really ill. So have had cheese and crackers tonight.
Think will move from boot camp to boot camp light. Have generally been feeling better and losing inches, but no way could sit drinking water and eating hard boiled eggs tonight. Needed more.
This is going to be hard in this cold weather when I crave a hot breakfast like bagels or bacon rolls. I don't have time for breakfast before I leave for work, and sitting at my desk with a bowl of yoghurt is horrible in cold weather. Any ideas?

captainmummy I had bulletproof coffee, mackerel pate and cucumber, coffee with cream, yogurt, protein shake, 2 babybels and homemade meatballs in tomato sauce with French beans.

Bronx Tue 17-Sep-13 21:48:15

Just checked my carbs to see where I'm at: 29g for the day.
20g of which came from milk! shock
tbf, it was a hot chocolate but I was checking the carbs on the cocoa powder, not the milk.
Oof.
Most of my food today has been dairy (cheese heavy).

Ruprekt Tue 17-Sep-13 21:50:01

B...ff yoghurt

L...chilli with cauli rice, coleslaw

D...lamb steaks, cauli rice and broccoli

Water

BIWI Tue 17-Sep-13 21:52:28

Bronx shock

You really have to knock that on the head. Most of your carbs should be coming from veg and salad!

ImATotJeSuisUneTot Tue 17-Sep-13 22:00:48

It still amazes me how long I can stay full for, with this WOE. I'm having lunch at work at 12, going straight to Uni from work, doing three hours, coming home at 10pm and I'm not hungry.

Should I be eating something anyway?

toomuchicecream Tue 17-Sep-13 22:19:23

In my wisdom, back in August and pre-Bootcamp, I instigated a Bake Off watching party at my house. Friends are coming round every week to watch the programme and eat the cakes they've brought with them (to tie in with the programme of course so we made tray bakes this evening). Last week there were only 2 of us so although I hadn't baked, I couldn't avoid having a slice of my friend's Bakewell Tart.

Tonight I kept thinking of all of you who've been turning down birthday cake. I managed to make a tray bake and only eat a few crumbs, and then not eat any cake all evening. Did have two cups of tea but NO CAKE!!

Bronx Tue 17-Sep-13 22:26:19

I know BIWI! Would you believe it was an accident? grin
It was a courgette gratin that was an accidental cheese fest. Plus the hot chocolate which I didn't realise would be so carb heavy until I put it into MFP
I'll be a good girl tomorrow!
<slaps wrist>

Bronx Tue 17-Sep-13 22:32:37

That's some willpower you've got icecream! Tray bakes and bake off? Good luck grin
Totally agree about the staying full forever phenomena. It's amazing. Since you're supposed to eat in the morning, even if not hungry, I'd say eating something after 10hrs of nothing would probably be a good idea.

AuntieMaggie Tue 17-Sep-13 23:02:15

Thanks starry i like tofu but never managed to cook it right...

I've lost 2lbs... Ok with that but am feeling shit about myself generally... I've come off the pill and a citalopram recently so thats not helping...

Thank you all for your suggestions/help - I need to sort out my fridge/freezer the next time I'm home ...

Well done on all your losses - keep up the good work smile

loopyloou Tue 17-Sep-13 23:46:59

Demented, could you make a pot of thick soup and take it to work in a flask for a nice warm breakfast?

loopyloou Tue 17-Sep-13 23:51:09

Hope everyone's doing ok. Quite cold here up north, have had to put the heating on.

B: egg mayo and sausage
L: chicken drumsticks
D: left over roast pork mixed with leek, cauliflower and broccoli in a cream sauce baked with cheese in top, lovely!
S: cold grilled bacon
A bit space on veg today, but was so busy, just had chicken drumsticks on the hop. Will eat more veg tomorrow.

sybilfaulty Wed 18-Sep-13 06:26:48

Thank you for all the kind wishes for my birthday. You are all smashing flowers

Good news - I was the perfect low carb food angel yesterday. I managed to dodge the cake and had a fab steak and mushrooms for supper.

Bad news - I did drink a bit of champagne. Can really feel it this am. Still, I suppose you are only 44 once!

My period seems to have started early as well. Wonder if it's all the oestrogen being dragged out of my fat cells. Yeuch.

I need to get motoring now but will read properly on the train and post then.

Have a good day everyone.

Lavenderhoney Wed 18-Sep-13 06:27:05

According to mfp, since the start of bc my carbs are average 10g a day, coming from cream in coffee and veg/ salad. Is that what I should be aiming for?

I'm exercising as well, which duh! the penny dropped yesterday- means I am building muscle tone at the same time as losing ( hopefully)

Keep at it, reading posts is very inspirational and helps me say nosmile

Woolfey Wed 18-Sep-13 07:17:59

Lavenderhoney - had to say I completely agree with you, reading all these posts is very inspirational and definitely helps me say no to things too. I'm a bit of a lurker but do appreciate reading everyone else's posts. And on occasion, I do delurk smile

prettybird Wed 18-Sep-13 07:58:21

Dinner last night was nice "serve yourself" platter of griddled, sliced tuna, buttered runner beans (from the garden), some broad beans (also from the garden), cherry tomatoes and eggs mollet (eggs boiled so the white has firmed and the inside is still runny and then halved).

Ds who doesn't like fish loved the "meat" which he thought was lamb confused. Will need to serve it that way again! grin

bettybigballs Wed 18-Sep-13 08:42:59

That sounds gorgeous pretty bird, how long do you boil eggs to get them to that stage?

I stupidly had wine last night, I've realised I medicate myself with alcohol - dreadful day at work so I wanted the booze numbness. This realisation has scared me a bit.

Today is mainly about drinking loads of water to flush it away.

B: bulletproof coffee with a babybel
L: tuna mayo with salad
D: homemade lamb keema with Cali rice

Onwards and downwards.

BIWI Wed 18-Sep-13 08:47:12

Lavenderhoney - that's very low and would suggest that you're not eating enough veg/salad. Even the hardest phase of the Atkins diet, induction, has you at 20g carbs per day! What have you been eating?

prettybird Wed 18-Sep-13 08:53:41

You lower them in salted boiling water and boil for six and a half minutes. Cool immediately in cold water and then peel off the shell.

I am newly obsessed with cauliflower rice. I had smoked mackerel 'kedgeree' for breakfast yesterday, then this morning with bacon and egg mixed through. It fills me right up.

BIWI Wed 18-Sep-13 09:02:41

<clears throat>

Some of you may know that I've been training in preparation for a 5K race, to support World Child Cancer. As it's less than a month away, I'm ramping up my fund-raising. I have set myself an ambitious target, and I'm not too far away from it, but if anyone would care to sponsor me I would be very, very grateful

In addition, because that's a quiet part of the site, if you wouldn't mind keeping the thread bumped I'd be even more grateful!

Many thanks
xxx

bigkidsdidit Wed 18-Sep-13 09:02:47

Reading your menus I'm a bit worried I'm eating too much confused should I be trying to eat less at each meal as well as changing the type of meal, BIWI?

BIWI Wed 18-Sep-13 09:06:32

Don't know without knowing what you're eating/how much you're eating!

It's true that we don't count calories or weigh our carbs on Bootcamp. The aim is to make sure that you are eating enough so that you aren't hungry. This is not a WOE about feeling deprived.

However, that said, it isn't carte blanche to stuff yourself silly and eat massive portions of food swimming in creamy sauces grin

Why are you worried? What kind of food and portions are you eating?

bigkidsdidit Wed 18-Sep-13 09:12:14

Just some posts saying for lunch they had a few mouthfuls of something, or not being hungry enough to eat dinner! Yesterday I had

B 3 egg omelette with leftover roast chicken and rocket
L big tuna salad
D cauliflower cheese (from recipe thread) with a fillet of peppered mackerel and wilted spinach
S a wedge of manchego and some cucumber slices

I hope that's ok ^ I've been eating something a bit like that, 2 egg omelette, lots of leaves at lunch etc, but I have had to force myself to eat meals the las couple of days an definitely no snacks.

bigkidsdidit Wed 18-Sep-13 09:16:53

I'm also about to get my period any day which makes me eat more, so I was proud of sticking to low carb snacks!

BIWI Wed 18-Sep-13 09:17:15

It's true that being in ketosis does suppress the appetite, which is why people are talking about not being hungry or only eating small amounts.

As a daily practice, though, this can be dangerous as it does risk becoming hungry and therefore snacking on the wrong things.

What you are eating looks fine - however, you might want to ask yourself if your portions are large. A three egg omelette could be cut down to two. A 'big' salad could be reduced to 'medium'

Often we eat large portions because that's what we're used to doing - i.e. it's a habit. And this can often be the reason why we put weight on in the first place!

Ultimately only you can decide if you need to cut down. You haven't posted your weight this week, so I can't see if you've lost/not lost.

If you haven't lost/haven't lost enough, why not see if cutting down portions sizes helps you? But please don't do this to the extent that you start to get hungry!

janmoomoo Wed 18-Sep-13 09:21:14

Very interested in what people are saying about oestrogen being held in fat cells and being released as you lose weight. I have had one or two days lately where I have felt tearful for no apparent reason (you know those days when you find yourself crying at tv adverts ffs). Maybe this is why.

bigkidsdidit Wed 18-Sep-13 09:23:51

Yes, I think it is habit with me a lot of the time. I'll have a go at cutting down a bit and see. Already only having one snack is a huge improvement smile

bigkidsdidit Wed 18-Sep-13 09:26:19

Sorry - lost 1lb last week but had wine. Doing perfect boot camp this week and aiming for more!

Purple2012 Wed 18-Sep-13 09:32:22

Is coleslaw ok to have? I have friends coming for lunch. Ive done lots of salad stuff and grilled chicken (my chicken is fried in butter but think they won't want that) ive done some egg mayonnaise and getting a baguette for them. -- I won't eat it although I will be jealous they are!-- i will be getting coleslaw for them but don't want to eat it if it's not ok.

prettybird Wed 18-Sep-13 09:38:12

Check the ingredients - some coleslaws are better than others.

There's a recipe for homemade coleslaw in the Übercamp tab of the spreadsheet.

BIWI Wed 18-Sep-13 09:43:35

Best way to be sure, Purple2012, is to make your own. It's much nicer anyway!

BIWI Wed 18-Sep-13 09:44:58

Coleslaw recipe

125g white cabbage (less than 1/4 of a cabbage)
75g carrot (1 medium-sized carrot)
25g shallot (1/2 a banana/echalion shallot)

Slice white cabbage thinly
Grate carrot finely (don't use the largest holes on the grater)
Chop shallot finely

Add oil and wine vinegar - roughly 3 tablespoons oil and 1 tablespoon vinegar, and salt and black pepper. Stir everything well together. Leave for half an hour or so. Just before serving, stir in a tablespoon of mayo.

This will make 2 portions

BIWI Wed 18-Sep-13 09:46:51

Just make sure you're using low carb mayonnaise. The Delouis brand (Sainsbury sell this) is the lowest I've come across. Or, make your own!

BIWI Wed 18-Sep-13 09:50:20

Here's a Delia recipe for making your own mayonnaise

Whilst it starts off telling you how to make it with a hand whisk, if you scroll down she also tells you how to make it with a food processor, which is much easier and quicker!

Lifeisontheup Wed 18-Sep-13 10:04:49

Feeling quite proud of myself, I was back at work on Monday for the first time since starting bootcamp and I managed to resist the chocolate cake left out in the crew room, but more importantly I resisted the bowl of fruit. Previously I would have thought 'it's fruit, it's healthy' and would have devoured loads.

Purple2012 Wed 18-Sep-13 10:05:34

Thanks biwi I don't have time to make my own today but will do it next time. I will stay away from it today. Using low carb mayo for the egg mayonnaise.

BIWI Wed 18-Sep-13 10:10:08

I think, from memory, Sainsbury's Basics coleslaw is the lowest in carbs - if you can get to a Sainsbury's!

Great, Lifeisontheup!

Lifeisontheup Wed 18-Sep-13 10:30:29

Today will be challenging grin I'm working 2pm -2am which seems to mess up eating patterns but I have planned.
Coffee with cream now plus 1L water
Egg and bacon at midday- another litre of water
Tuna mayonnaise with salad to eat at some point (meal break will be around 8pm)
Have made cauliflower soup to take in a thermos so can eat it on the run.

I find it really important to have something comforting to eat on nights as it's that 1.00am time when you've just done a shit job and the chip shop is the only thing open... I manage to convince myself I need something hot so soup will hopefully fill the gap.

Should be able to manage 4L of water.

bigkidsdidit Wed 18-Sep-13 10:44:04

Well, my portion sizes may be ok after all - just had a weigh in and despite already having had an omelette, a coffee and two glasses of water this morning I am STILL 1.5 kilos down from Monday, when I weighed first thing!! Woo hoo!!

Cherrypi Wed 18-Sep-13 11:30:09

Down a dress size. Yay!

devilinside Wed 18-Sep-13 11:55:15

After a half hearted week last week, I have added my self to the chart as I need an extra kick up the backside to stay on plan:

b/fast: Greek Yoghurt
lunch: omelette and bacon
Dinner: chilli (no rice or kidney beans) with avocado slices

Lighthousekeeping Wed 18-Sep-13 12:51:05

I'm back of holiday. I've been terrible. I'm starting today.

I haven't had a period for two months but I can't keep blaming it on that

brilliant bigkidsdidit!

just before my period my appetite really ramps up too - i eat like i have a tapeworm

captainmummy Wed 18-Sep-13 13:08:28

Eww Willie! I was just about to think about lunch...

bigkidsdidit Wed 18-Sep-13 13:15:04

Thanks willie! Would you be able to add me to the spreadsheet, I'm on an iPad. I lost 1lb last week thanks

NewStartNewStory Wed 18-Sep-13 13:20:13

I find that Willie I also get cycle linked insomnia which also makes me eat more. Day three with proper focus and it is easier to stay firm. Just eaten a proper lunch at lunch time. And had a good solid breakfast. Tea is planned but I need to tweak it as it is light on the veg and fairly heavy on protein but seeing as breakfast was scrambled eggs, bacon and mushrooms and lunch was mince, mushrooms and leeks with "gravy" and cheese I think I need to add some more veg to the day. Not sure how as it is left over mince for tea as it really needs eating up and it has been too long made up to consider sticking in the freezer really. Any ideas?

Hi all.

Bronx - can't believe BIWI hasn't commented but hot chocolate!!!! On Bootcamp! Nooooo! It's full of sugar. I think the milk was the least of the problem!

Well I had an odd day yesterday. Woke up headachy and everything tasted off. Especially water. Didn't drink nearly enough as really struggled with it for some reason. Food wise I was ok.
B egg mayo
L - couldn't face salad so just had some slices of corned beef, some coleslaw and cheese
D - couldn't be bothered cooking what I'd planned and really wanted comfort food so had some bolognaise with grated cheese.
Resisted the wine at PTA meeting and just had fizzy water. Did have a couple of glasses of water when I got home too.

Today is busy and I'm flying to Dublin early in the morning so using up stuff in the fridge.

B Greek yoghurt. My first this bootcamp as I am worried they stall me
S small amount egg mayo
L - finished off the bolognaise on a bed of rocket with grated cheese.

prettybird love the sound of those eggs!

BIWI will sponsor you as soon as I get a few minutes. Well done you.

Purple2012 Wed 18-Sep-13 15:05:09

Just been to the health shop and bought a load of herbal tea so looking forward to trying them. Im hopingtthat they are all ok to have. Had a look at the coconut slices thinking that they would be nice to put in my yoghurt. I put them straight back down when I saw there was 44g of carbs per 100g!

BIWI Wed 18-Sep-13 15:09:29

Welcome, devilinside! But where is your veg?! You don't need to cut the carbs as drastically as it appears you are doing.

Buda - whoops, you're right - I didn't spot that!

captainmummy Wed 18-Sep-13 15:31:39

Purple - herbal teas should be ok - I drink rooibos, with coconut oil at breakfast, without rest of the time. I also have some liquorice tea which i drink if i'm craving something sweet - it is strangely sweet but has no carbs.

Lavenderhoney Wed 18-Sep-13 15:48:07

BIWI- here's what I had today- after what you wrote I made myself have some chunks of cheddar, but I really wasnt bothered and its very unusual for me to snack!!
I've been lc since jan, and don't tend to eat unless I'm hungry, I found this a slow process of stoping carbs.

Today

2 coffees with dash of cream
Brunch as I don't feel hungry at all in the morning, and I go to the gym straight after drop off and can't exercise properly if I have eaten.
Brunch was left over courgettes and leeks fried in butter with a handful of grated cheese on top and microwaved.
Dinner - roast belly of pork, asparagus and sweet corn.

I will have drunk 3 litres of water by bedtime. I don't feel hungry at all, and don't feel inclined to snack ever.. It comes up as 25g which is the most for one day this bootcamp.
If I'm not at the gym, I might have a BAB with the dc, but then just salad with sardines for lunch as I am so full.

What do you think? I always cook a roast for the dc with veg and its dripping with butter, fat and some olive oil. Yum!

That's it!

Purple2012 Wed 18-Sep-13 15:51:46

Thanks captainmummy I have been drinking rooibos with coconut oil. I got apple and ginger, cinnamon cardamom and ginger and three ginger tea. It will be nice to have something other than water.

BIWI Wed 18-Sep-13 16:00:01

No need to snack if you're not hungry - it was more the lack of carbs that I was concerned about, Lavender! Which means lack of veg/salad.

loopyloou Wed 18-Sep-13 16:06:53

For some reason I'm craving sweet stuff today. It's the first time it's bothered me. Luckily I haven't anything in the house! Wish I could think of something that would satisfy my cravings that is low carb. I'm trying to cut down on dairy a bit, as it sometimes makes me nauseous and if I'm not careful it stops me losing weight. But I know from past experience this is quite frustrating, as it limits what I can eat.

B: egg mayo and sausage
L: cold left over roast chicken, bacon
D: will be chilli without kidney beans served with mashed swede
S: spinach and cucumber salad with HM dressing

loopyloou Wed 18-Sep-13 16:08:14

Lavender, what is BAB? (Sorry if I'm being dim)

Purple2012 Wed 18-Sep-13 16:26:05

Sometimes cravings are more habit. Yesterday it was raining and horrible. Perfect pizza day. I kind of missed being able to have it but I didn't really want it. It was just something we would do now and then.

BIWI Wed 18-Sep-13 16:31:10

BAB = Big Ass Breakfast!

Negroni Wed 18-Sep-13 17:11:54

Loopy, I too was stumped by the BAB! I was thinking bacon and ?? Thanks BIWI for the explanation.
.
I too am craving sweet things today and have no idea why as have been pretty strict since last Thursday and seem to be losing. So, I will just continue and hope I start feeling fondly towards my tuna mayo and broccoli dinner instead of thinking about dark chocolate...

BIWI Wed 18-Sep-13 17:13:59

Don't give in! It's the siren call of the carbs. Tricky little bastards they are ...

loopyloou Wed 18-Sep-13 17:37:59

Thanks BIWI smile

Haven't given in to the cravings, went and walked the dog instead.

Lavenderhoney Wed 18-Sep-13 17:45:39

Thanks BIWI- I'm going to add some more veg and salad. I think I'm probably eating too much meat / fish and filling up with that.

I had a couple of cravings for sweet things today, but just hid everything and drank watersmile very hard as I made the dc chocolate cake.

Bed early for me- I'm getting through loads of bookssmile

captainmummy Wed 18-Sep-13 18:15:42

Have had way too much cheese today - but dinner was bolognaise sauce with shredded cabbage and I am stuffed now.

I have had a strange day food wise - I just don't seem to feel hungry until about 5pm and then I am suddenly starving! Not helpful for meal times with DP confused
I had a bulletproof coffee and a protein shake with soy milk for breakfast and then another protein shake after the gym.
Wasn't hungry at lunchtime so I had some yogurt and a babybel, coffee with cream around 2pm then had another babybel at 3.30.
Demolished some leftover meatballs in tomato sauce at 5.30 (didn't even heat them up!) when DS was having his dinner and now I'm full.
I really should have had some veg! Is anyone else having issues with not feeling hungry enough to eat at the right times? I just feel sick at the thought of food if I'm not properly hungry sad

I am, but my dd is a pita if we don't eat together so I make myself have something.

B: grated cauli, 2 rashers of bacon fried together then an egg stirred in and a tiny bit of cheese on top.

L: tuna, cucumber & mayo with half a bag of leaves and a few cherry tomatoes, with a bit of olive oil.

D: 1 1/2 pork loin chops, with steamed swede & brocilli & courgette strips fried in buttr.

No snacks. 2 cups of tea with a dash of milk. Mega sore throat so water is slow going. Will be at 3.5l by bedrime.

Battery gone in scales so my daily obsessive weigh in is out. Jane feel loose but I bet I'll be disappointed come Monday weigh.

Bronx Wed 18-Sep-13 19:47:55

Cider, no sugar at all! I made it with cocoa powder + milk, so by reading the back of the cocoa powder (0.3g of carbs? 3g of carbs? Something with a 3 wink) I thought, oh, brilliant, I can still have hot chocolate.
20g of carbs in 400ml of skimmed milk, according to MFP.
I was shock. Thought I'd had a good day!

SteppingOnLego Wed 18-Sep-13 19:51:31

Today is the first day I've experienced the not being hungry thing! Really busy at work and didn't get a break until 4pm. Only then did I realise I hadn't had lunch, just didn't miss it. Before bootcamp if this has happened I'm getting weak and shaky by 2pm and end up eating whatever biscuits etc are around but that didn't occur to me today.

So what I want to know is: is the shaky feeling just a sugar crash rather than hunger? - I always thought I needed to snack often so it didn't happen. This is something of a revelation for me.

Anyway quite a good day today
B: bulletproof coffee, scrambled egg and some asparagus
L: salad and mackerel (with lots of lemon juice and pepper) and mayo
D: liver stroganoff - adapted from this Delia recipe just substituted shallots and double cream for the onion and creme fraiche served with buttered steamed cabbage

BIWI Wed 18-Sep-13 20:11:23

Wow, bullet - that's a lot of dairy there! Why protein shakes? Can you not eat a proper breakfast? And some proper food after the gym? Just have a look at the ingredients in your protein shake!

You must plan in some real meals - so you can eat enough veg/salad - your day today has not really been a good one ...

I've always used protein shakes biwi, I'm happy with the ingredients smile I realise they aren't bootcamp. But they are low in carbs.
There's no way I could eat solid food immediately after the gym. I usually have my BP coffee, do the school run then have breakfast but I went straight to the gym this morning.
I do plan meals but if I just don't feel hungry then I don't eat them. I've now had a small steak and a pile of broccoli with lots of butter. I'll veg it up tomorrow!

BIWI Wed 18-Sep-13 20:32:26

bullet - Why do you have a shake after the gym if you've had one before? Do you actually need it? You would, actually, be far better going to the gym in a fasted state and then having the protein afterwards. They may be low carb, but they are full of shit over-processed stuff.

stepping - that shaky feeling is low blood sugar, which your body translates as hunger. This is why we aim to keep our blood sugar levels stable, so that we don't experience this. (That said, if you hadn't eaten anything till 4pm, I'm not surprised you were hungry!)

Because that's what my trainer recommends smile

starrystarryknut Wed 18-Sep-13 21:20:08

I've been really strict - maybe over strict. So anxious to succeed that I ate only meat and eggs yesterday. Back on normal meat/eggs/yoghurt/veg balance today. But I've had a cracking headache all day today. BIWI do you think that's a result of overdoing it yesterday? I've been drinking at least 2.5 litres of water per day.

starrystarryknut Wed 18-Sep-13 21:22:13

Today I ate:
B scrambled eggs and smoked salmon
L tuna and salad with vinaigrette
S ff natural yoghurt with tablespoon of flax
D fajita steak with avocado, lettuce, tomato, bit of grated cheese, creme fraiche

I still have a headache, maybe a bit less.

BIWI Wed 18-Sep-13 21:22:59

Possibly - but also no benefit in not eating veg really. You should be eating some carbs!!! You had a really good week last week in terms of weight loss, so not really much need to be so punitive.

This WOE isn't about deprivation, honestly!

BIWI Wed 18-Sep-13 21:23:22

bullet does your trainer know that you're following a low carb diet?

Yes, he does.

BIWI Wed 18-Sep-13 21:27:08

And is he supportive?

whodunnit Wed 18-Sep-13 21:34:06

Hello . Bit of a crappy eating day today spent 8 hour total in various tidgy airports with hardly any food availble. Very tempted to buy something carby but resisted. You are right that we need to be organised as doing it on the hoof is neigh on impossible here in the arse end of nowhere.

B cup of tea, 2 egg mayo on cucmber slices
L 40 g peanuts (no other food availble 4g carb so I may not see the sharp end of BIWI's big stick.)
S few feta cubes
D bolognese sauce including courgettes, celery, butter eaten on cucmber slices.... cucumber is my new bread.
S boiled egg with cream, 5 macademia nuts

Also 1 coffee and 1 tea

I am hinting around for a snack after dinner and wondering what you eat to satisfy that gap after dinner. Or should I reprogramme oot tell myself that the gap is wrong and just an od sweettooth habit?

I just want the scales to be kind this week. Twould be a real bugger if there was no change after all this willpower.

whodunnit Wed 18-Sep-13 21:36:22

the butter was in the bol sauce, not slathered on the cucumber.....I'm not that weird....

BIWI Wed 18-Sep-13 21:42:26

Why not cheese after dinner? As long as dairy isn't a problem for you, cheese would be brilliant.

SteppingOnLego Wed 18-Sep-13 21:46:01

biwi what I was trying to say was that I often used to get shaky and was really surprised I didn't today despite not eating. By 4 I was hungry but not feeling like I was about to keel over. I think maybe I was a bit sugar addicted! Hopefully I'm on the way to breaking the habit now.

Yeah, he's fab! smile

Cheese

With cucumber though grin

whodunnit Wed 18-Sep-13 21:48:56

so how much cheese can we have? I read somewhere that it was one matchbox size. Or can we have more as long as the carbs are not too high?

whodunnit Wed 18-Sep-13 21:50:00

on cucumber, obviously, justasmallglass.......

ImATotJeSuisUneTot Wed 18-Sep-13 22:09:26

The breakdown of my food today, using mfp, says my diet was 49% fat, 18% carbs, and 33% protein.

Thats a lot of fat. Can you have too much?

devilinside Wed 18-Sep-13 22:11:53

I had peppers, onion and mushrooms with the mince, will up the veg intake tomorrow

BIWI Wed 18-Sep-13 22:20:23

ImATot - that's great - you should be eating fat:protein:carbs.

devil - that's good. Just make sure you do eat plenty of veg/salad

whodunnit - the limit on cheese isn't anything to do with carbs - there are not carbs in cheese. It's about whether or not you're sensitive to dairy. There is also the issue of calories. At this stage, you don't need to worry about calories, but as you get nearer to your target weight you may have to take this into account, which means you may have to think about how much cheese you're eating, as it is quite calorific.

BIWI Wed 18-Sep-13 22:24:12

bullet - I'm glad your trainer is supportive of low carbing - that makes life so much easier. But I think you really need to look at what you're eating and how it fits with Bootcamp rules. You're not really planning your meals, you're eating a lot of processed stuff and (from your posts last week) you are also cheating.

I'm glad that you find yourself not feeling hungry, as this is evidence that you are in ketosis, so this WOE should be working for you. But I worry that you're not eating properly. You aren't eating enough veg/salad - and you're leaving eating until you are ravenously hungry, instead of eating regularly.

It's up to you, obviously, if you choose to follow Bootcamp rules.

Cheese! Well I ate cheese (as snacks and in broccoli and stilton soup) on Monday and on Tuesday morning was 2lb up. So on Tuesday I ate no cheese, this morning I was 3lb down. Which could be the Cheese, Gromit; or it could be natural fluctuations and a slapped wrist for weighing daily.

But of course I'm suspecting the cheese!

When I read Dr Briffa's book last week it said that, despite not containing carbs, cheese can increase your insulin production (just like carbs do - and insulin makes you deposit fat). But it's usually counteracted by some other chemical that it increases which has an opposite effect. I guess this works differently on different people, so cheese can stall some people.

I wouldn't have got this far without cheese though - and its way better to snack on cheese than toast!

BIWI Wed 18-Sep-13 22:38:32

That's true!

captainmummy Wed 18-Sep-13 22:41:04

Bullet- protein shakes are great if you are trying to build muscle. Are you? You have 2 in a very short space of time. Does your trainer know you are replacing meals iwth them?

And you have had NO veg at all today. Honestly you need veg for fibre and bowel health.

Bullet

Bootcamp rules are quite prescriptive and for good reason.

You aren't really low carbing there - just replacing meals with processed crap and having one meal a day. You may as well be on slim fast.

No thanks.

I love food and I love this WOE!!

NewStartNewStory Wed 18-Sep-13 23:40:19

Offs, ended up on a date tonight. There was non bootcamp stuff involved. A lovely evening totally out of my control. The one saving grace is that the situation is now such that I feel comfortable enough to explain the LC and why I am trying to LC so hopefully this doesn't arise again. Twas a very nice evening though blush day one square one tomo. I can and I bloody well will do this. And if there is a lack of understanding when explained I guess that will tell me a lot about what i need to know and whether this goes anywhere. Cos the LC ain't going anywhere. <superglues ass to the wagon>

BIWI Wed 18-Sep-13 23:43:43

Woo hoo! Lovely news about date, NewStart!

CrabbyBigBottom Thu 19-Sep-13 00:01:57

A date? A date? Come on New, tell us all!! I want some vicarious romance! grin

However, that said, it isn't carte blanche to stuff yourself silly and eat massive portions of food swimming in creamy sauces
shock Now you tell me, BIWI! hmm grin

Been feeling a bit rough this week with annoying virus but still feeling massively calmer and healthier than before bootcamp. Had a big wobble this afternoon when I went food shopping hungry and all I could thing of that I fancied eating involved beans or rice. I was looking longingly at the biscuits that they strew around so temptingly, too. hmm It's really dangerous for me to let myself get hungry - made me start thinking wistfully about wine, too, and I've been amazingly (for boozy me) good in cutting my alcohol like this. Much harder to resist the wine than the forbidden foods, tbh.

Anyway I bought a crab pate and ate the whole tub when I got in with cucumber sticks. It was lovely! The meal situation was saved by some really great reductions on the fish counter, so got a load of squid for around £3 (half price) and a sea bream with fennel butter for £3.29 (reduced from £6.29). It fed both of us so that was a bargain!

B/L - tuna and cheese patties (DD loves these!) with fried tomatoes
S - crab pâté and cucumber sticks
D - sea bream with mashed buttery swede and spinach cooked with shallot, garlic and a dash of cream. It was bloody lovely!
Too much tea, plenty of water.

halfthesize Thu 19-Sep-13 07:02:34

brew morning all, a date you say newstart do tell!!grin
hope everyone is still doing ok, I've had a few very busy days and have nit been as organised as I should have been food wise, but still managed to stick to bcwink
I have done a meal plan for next week and am off shopping later.
Bullet I train at the gym 3 times a week and my trainer also very good about me low carbing, he does not advise protein shakes unless muscle building and even then limited as they are full of processed stuff that's not great. have you considered doing a meal plan? I know it's hard when your not hungry.

Morning, posting now as I have a busy day today. Off to a gig with a lovely friend I haven't seen for ages. There will be wine but that's ok as I'm in week 3.

B tuna mayo
L bacon salad
D spanish chicken from recipe thread

Trying bulletproof coffee and its really nice.

Happy LCing everyone.

OMG - after a slow start, I am now 8lb down! I can't believe it! Even when I was running 4 or 5 times a week and training for a half marathon I just couldn't seem to get below 11st. I'm now 10.5. I must admit, I'm looking forward to being able to reintroduce a little carb, but am definitely not going back to my old carby twat ways. And I'm certainly not going back to carby breakfasts - they set you up so badly for the day.
B: half an avocado with greek yoghurt, olive oil and salt and pepper and a soft boiled egg, cup of chai (no milk)

BIWI Thu 19-Sep-13 08:11:43

Brilliant, holmes! flowers

starrystarryknut Thu 19-Sep-13 08:24:51

I downloaded the Briffa book onto my kindle last night and read the whole thing. It really makes things a lot clearer and has helped a lot in understanding. Also clarified in my mind what I should be doing with exercise. Very useful and well-spent £3.99.

sybilfaulty Thu 19-Sep-13 08:31:42

Some great losses coming through. Well done everyone.

Busy day yesterday and I was shattered. Am working today then swimming tomorrow. I do think this WOE combined with being fit gives you a lot of energy. I am not that fit just now so need to address this.

Excited by the date news. Please tell us more.

BIWI, have sponsored you for run. Sorry it's not more but a little skint before payday! Go you.

Cam I just say thanks again to everyone for the chat and support. Women friends really are the best. You are all wonderful and I feel very lucky to have found you

flowers

captainmummy Thu 19-Sep-13 08:44:36

Holmes - I totally agree about the carby breakfasts! When an ad for some wholewheat sugary cereal comes on, rabbiting about how it 'fills you up till Lunch' I have to restrain myself from yelling at te screen 'No it doesn't! Not unless Lunch is 2 hours after breakfast!'
God I used to have to eat every 2 hours, before, even on stuff like FruitnFibre.

Captain I so agree - every single other "diet" I've been on went wrong 2 hours after breakfast actually probably as soon as I'd done the school run

Starry you are a FAST reader!

BIWI Thu 19-Sep-13 09:20:14

Aw, sybil, that's a lovely thing to say flowers

(and have sent you PM as well)

toomuchicecream Thu 19-Sep-13 09:20:56

I am very confused. I'm eating celery with pâté for breakfast and its quite pleasant. The raw celery I mean. I only buy it to put in cooking cos no one here (including me) can stand it raw. What is happening to my taste buds????

BIWI Thu 19-Sep-13 09:21:20

grin

Welcome to the Dark Side ...

BIWI Thu 19-Sep-13 09:28:13

Aw - thank you Lily! flowers

Pagwatch Thu 19-Sep-13 09:50:27

Would the briffa book help me with DD and her insane activity schedule?

I have just posted on the nutrition Q&A. Twice a week she does gymnastics from 4 until 6, then has to be at the pool at 6.45 to swim until 9.05.
Someone at the swimming club advised yogurt or a cereal bar hmm

I am giving her a wholewheat sandwich with chicken and sweet corn, some fruit and a drink then something hot in the car or the way home.

But the sports nutritionists keep pointing at carby carb carbs and we (as a family) just don't process carbs well.

Would it help <clings to people's legs crying a bit>

Right, this is the last I am going to say about protein shakes! I am building muscle, so I need a lot of protein and at regular intervals. I am not generally using them to replace meals, yesterday was an exception due to a very busy day and needing to fit the gym in somewhere. I am happy using them, my trainer is happy with me using them and I don't think they impede my weight loss.

Yesterday was an exceptional day for me, I do not usually go most of the day without eating vegetable or salad, and I rarely skip breakfast.
Also I did eat some vegetables in the evening - this is what I ate yesterday again

B- bulletproof coffee, protein shake with soy milk
S- protein shake
L - 150g yogurt, babybel
S - babybel
D - meatballs in tomato sauce (hm sauce of celery, tomat0, shallot a little carrot)
2nd D - small feather steak, pile of tenderstem broccoli, butter.

So, I know I should have eaten more veggies but I don't think it's quite as bad as you are all making out!
I appreciate there are rules and I am trying to stick to them but sometimes it is difficult and days are busy and I am finding eating when I am not hungry very difficult.

And biwi I am very grateful for the support of this thread and all the work you put in to making this possible. I know it might sound like I'm not - but I really am! thanks

This morning I have had a bulletproof coffee and mackerel pate with crudite, lunch will be feather steak with broccoli and dinner will be lc fish pie (I'll put it on the recipe thread because it is super easy and delicious!)

CrabbyBigBottom Thu 19-Sep-13 10:00:49

Bullet I don't know whether anyone has mentioned this, but do you think those protein shakes are a good idea...? I hear they're a bit processed...

CrabbyBigBottom Thu 19-Sep-13 10:01:06

wink grin

Pagwatch Thu 19-Sep-13 10:02:28

Would a protein shake be good for DD


grin

CrabbyBigBottom Thu 19-Sep-13 10:10:24

Half a pound on for me this morning. Grumph. hmm

S'pose that might be the humungous amounts of cheese I've eaten this week. And the gallons of tea. Virus is making me so achey and headachey that I need the pep of the tea though.

[[http://feastwithoutregret.wordpress.com/2013/06/16/harlots-sauce-with-squid/ Squid alla puttanesca for me tonight - I'm looking forward to it already! Reduced from £9.99/kg to sick squid 99 /kg (say it out loud wink) so there'll be enough there for two nights for all three of us. Yum!!

pagwatch if DD is doing 4/5 hours of exercise in one evening carbs may well be what she needs. some kind of supplement might be appropriate wink

CrabbyBigBottom Thu 19-Sep-13 10:12:15

Probably not Pag - I hear they're full of processed crap...

<<runs away from Bullet very fast, hoping she doesn't live up to her name...>> grin

CrabbyBigBottom Thu 19-Sep-13 10:17:36

Pag I'd give her a light protein based meal before... Something like chicken with sweetcorn and baby tomatoes in mayonnaise. Then some nuts and berries eg almonds and blueberries, in between training sessions. Then whatever you usually give her afterwards. And loads of water.

Would she eat that? Then you've got plenty of protein but some complex carbs for immediate (but gradual) glucose release too.

CrabbyBigBottom Thu 19-Sep-13 10:18:36

Bullet! grin grin grin

<<hides>>

toomuchicecream Thu 19-Sep-13 10:21:37

Writing my shopping list and therefore menu plan for the next few days.

What else can I have with salad for lunch? So far on Bootcamp I've had prawns in mayo, smoked mackerel pate, egg & ham mayo, smoked salmon & avocado, avocado & tomato & mozerella, chicken (with and without avocado). I've got cubes of cheese & ham on the list. All other inspiration gratefully received!!

bigkidsdidit Thu 19-Sep-13 10:44:23

I like the peppered mackerel fillets from sainsburys and asparagus

captainmummy Thu 19-Sep-13 11:02:51

Toomuch - how about feta cheese and olives a la greek salad? Add a couple cherry toms and some basil...

Livelongandprosper Thu 19-Sep-13 11:03:20

Ok, have sponsored BIWI in the hope this will buy me immunity from her big stick grin Struggling with sugary twat thoughts this morning but haven't given in. Have looked in on this thread instead for inspiration from reading everyone's posts smile

Lifeisontheup Thu 19-Sep-13 11:04:25

I am going to have to sue Sainsburys for mental distress. I walked into our local one to be faced with a huge picture of a FISH FINGER SANDWICH.
It's just cruel I tell you. grin

loopyloou Thu 19-Sep-13 11:05:34

Struggling today again hmm. I made the stupid mistake of weighing myself this morning, only to find I've lost nothing, despite sticking strictly to this woe.

captainmummy Thu 19-Sep-13 11:10:46

Loopy - BIWI will no doubt start the week3 thread with warnings about not being disheartened by NO losses in week3/4 sometimes 5. The losses in the first few weeks are mainly water weight with a bit of fat, and the biggest change is converting your body to fat-burning. After this the weight loss will be much slower, as the glycogen stores (which house instant-access fat/water) are already empty and the body is now looking at your long-term fat stores.
Don't be disheartened, it's a good thing - and the weight will continue to come off (whilst you are eating delicious food!)

NigellasGuest Thu 19-Sep-13 11:28:00

OK so my old scales say 10 stone, and the newer ones I bought which used to always show me lighter than the old ones, say 10 stone 9 one minute and 10 stone 7 the next. Then I go back to the old ones and they start saying 10 stone 2.

My aim is to see a 9.

I think the god of LC is sending me a message, via possession of the scales, and the message is of course step away from the scales Nigella

NewStartNewStory Thu 19-Sep-13 12:01:38

Tape measure or the fit of clothes are always going to be your best bet Nigella.
I am avoiding the scales until monday (probably tuesday if we are honest as there seems to just be something about monday mornings)
Re date: very uneventful just nice conversation sorry if you were expecting fireworks. grin Who knows. Just nice to be out and not have to deal with some of the twats that are out there. Have encountered too many recently. hmm

BIWI Thu 19-Sep-13 12:07:18

Bullet I will make no more mention of protein shakes very often grin

But I'm intrigued as to what you are training for, that requires you to build up muscle in this way! do you look like this?!

loopyloou Thu 19-Sep-13 12:09:53

Captain, I'm only in week 2 and have only lost 3 lb sad

BIWI Thu 19-Sep-13 12:18:01

Pag - Briffa probably won't be much help in your DD's specific situation. And most sports nutritionists will still advise you to eat carbs. This book is more likely to be helpful

Your DD certainly needs energy, and so I'd be focussing on giving her more fat. The complication you have is obviously that you need to be giving her something portable. I'd ditch the fruit, personally. Does she like milk? How about a full fat chocolate milk? (Although chances are, all the ones that are ready made will be low fat!)

BIWI Thu 19-Sep-13 12:19:55

loopyloou - list out for me all your meals/drinks over the last few days, and let's see if there's anything I can help with.

But remember - you have still lost 3lbs! That's 6 packs of lard!

pagwatch, like crabby i was thinking that nuts might be a good option. plenty of fat and good and filling and portable.

timidviper Thu 19-Sep-13 12:20:31

Nigella My old scales broke so I bought new handy-dandy ones which give hugely fluctuating readings. Incidentally I think ours are sexist as they give the same all the time to DH and DS yet vary for me and DD until they send us shreiking from the bathroom! I go on fit of clothes.

My weight has not changed much over the last few months yet I have gone down a clothes size and am getting comments on my weight loss confused

Captainmummy - I too have to restrain myself from ranting about cereal - Dh already thinks I'm crazy for low carbing. He was a bit shock at the speedy weight loss though, and may have stopped making scathing remarks!

Pagwatch Thu 19-Sep-13 12:21:52

Thanks for the replies smile

Yeah, she does need carbs, she a kid. But they only suggest carb and it drives me batshit " what about some pasta and a yogurt or a cereal bar?"

I guess making a good chicken mix to eat with a small amount of wholewheat pasta is a good basis. Or perhaps some chunky soup?

Gah, I need more vacuum flasks

Oh btw - lunch is aubergine melts. They are cooking right now. If they turn out well, I might go and put my first entry on the recipes thread.

Pagwatch Thu 19-Sep-13 12:24:26

X-posted. Thanks BIWI - i'll get that book.
The chocolate milk is such a good idea I have already done that grin
The m&s shake is full fat milk.

And the irritating arse doesn't like nuts, unfortunately.

loopyloou Thu 19-Sep-13 12:34:39

Thanks BIWI. smile

Breakfasts have been egg mayo with LC sausage or bacon or mushroom, lunch has been either chicken drumsticks or cold bacon or tuna mayo with salad, dinner has been chilli without beans or roast pork with veg and swede, things like that.

I have cut down on dairy as too much makes me nauseous, but also I think it does slow my weight loss down sometimes. But cheese and yoghurt are the most enjoyable things about this WOE for me hmm

I'm struggling to drink water now the weather has changed, but am drinking herbal tea instead.

The main problem today is I'm craving something sweet, preferably chocolate AND I got on the scales, only to find I hadn't lost, although I thought I had hmm

I know I need to step away from the scales. This happens to me every time. If I don't see a loss, I get disheartened and give up. I start to think, why bother if I'm not losing weight when I stick strictly to this WOE.

Originally I wasn't going to weigh myself at all, but then I decided I needed to see the weight coming off. Now I wish I hadn't hmm

Sorry for whinging. Trying hard not to be a carny twat wink

BIWI Thu 19-Sep-13 12:36:02

Pag - does she like peanut butter? That's really good re fat and also pretty low carb. Great on celery, if she likes celery.

loopyloou Thu 19-Sep-13 12:36:11

"CarBy twat"

BIWI Thu 19-Sep-13 12:39:43

loopy - don't worry about the whingeing - that's what we're here for!

Your meals look fine, but have you been keeping your fat levels up? It's difficult to tell from your descriptions.

And you really do need to make sure you're drinking the water.

I get what you say about cheese/yoghurt, but it may well be worth having a couple of days without either, just to see what happens.

But best to avoid the scales until Monday. And remember - we're really just only half way through week 2.

CrabbyBigBottom Thu 19-Sep-13 12:54:35

BIWI my eyes are burning... what bizarreness is this!!

Just a tip Bullet... if you are weight training for competitions, try not to make this face - it won't help you win!

On the other hand, I wouldn't mind looking like [[https://www.google.co.uk/search?q=muscle+women&um=1&ie=UTF-8&hl=en&tbm=isch&source=og&sa=N&tab=wi&ei=vto6UprTM6iu0QXW84C4Ag#facrc=_&imgdii=_&imgrc=Vyqj_-1HYU153M%3A%3B7_j96etSCZHx0M%3Bhttps%253A%252F%252Flh4.googleusercontent.com%252F-ngwLFhzZ_cc%252FTXilUj8NxoI%252FAAAAAAAAElk%252FtTgY5EGLmGg%252Fs1600%252FMuscle%252BwOmen%252B07.jpg%3Bhttp%253A%252F%252Fcoolfunclub.blogspot.com%252F2011%252F03%252Fmuscle-women.html%3B576%3B863 this.}}

CrabbyBigBottom Thu 19-Sep-13 12:55:10

Arse.

this

loopyloou Thu 19-Sep-13 12:56:42

I found drinking lots of water easier when it was hot. At the moment all I want is hot drinks, I'm really feeling the cold sad. I guess peppermint tea is just hot water really though, no carbs?

I add HM mayo to meals wherever I can - recipe includes 1 egg yolk, 1.5 tbsp cider vinegar, 350 ml sunflower oil, salt and pepper, nothing else. I think that's fairly low carb?

I use full fat mince, eat the skin on chicken, eat pork crackling, have full fat yoghurt when I have it, add coconut cream to curry, fry everything in butter and add butter to veg, so I think I should be getting enough fat.

I think I'm just having a rubbish day mood-wise sad My usual way of coping would be a bar of chocolate or a trip to the local cafe if possible, that is all not possible now. I know this is emotional eating and that is my biggest problem. I'm never hungry, but have realised how much of my eating is emotional.

NewStartNewStory Thu 19-Sep-13 12:59:31

And crabby has just reminded me why I shouldn't click links on mn.

CrabbyBigBottom Thu 19-Sep-13 13:00:04

Loopy why not measure instead? That way you'll see the progress without letting the scales mess with your head!

FFS someone tell me to go and get on with my day. I've been faffing around and MNing all bloody morning! angry

loopyloou Thu 19-Sep-13 13:03:46

Yes, Crabby, that makes sense. Problem is I have no willpower and can't put the scales away as DH is using them too sad

I'll try and stay away from them for now as they always cause me problems.

BIWI Thu 19-Sep-13 13:06:35

Loopy - go away! grin

(Meant in the nicest possible way)

Crabby - those pictures are gruesome, but compelling, aren't they?! I spent ages looking through them. I just can't imagine why someone would want to look like that. And what on earth do they wear?!

BIWI Thu 19-Sep-13 13:08:23
BIWI Thu 19-Sep-13 13:11:45

You sound like you're doing great Loopy - stay on the wagon long enough to see the effects. Remember you've already lost 6 packs of lard (!!) You are allowed low-carb snacks if you have to indulge that emotional eating thing (I know all about that.)

I'm really feeling the cold this week too, I'm going to have to find alternatives to salad for lunch, I've had soup some of this week but was back to a chilly salad today.

Someone was mixing boiled water with tap water so they could drink it more comfortably - could be one to try?

The reason for the water is, it flushes out the ketones (into your wee). Ketones are produced when we burn our own fat (or something like that). But if they get to a certain level in our blood, that all stops, we stop burning our own fat. So keep drinking the water, to keep burning our fat. Motivating, no?

Slow and steady weight loss is good because it gives your skin a chance to catch up with the new you.

Good luck!

You know those links are heavily photoshopped don't you? I want to look like gurny lady - but with a normal face!

BIWI Thu 19-Sep-13 13:51:15

Some of them do look like women's faces have been photoshopped on to men's bodies!

fitflopqueen Thu 19-Sep-13 14:09:47

Can I shuffle in rather late, read the thread last week on 10 th and started on 11th.
Can't add onto the list so if someone could add me that would be great.
11.9 13 -11.12
18.9.13 -11.8.
Today have had
celery sticks & cream cheese
2 eggs mashed with butter and some ham & 4 cherry toms
Dinner will be pork steak, celeriac mash and broccoli
Am trying to up water intake and still drinking 3-4 tea or coffee daily with lactofree milk

BIWI Thu 19-Sep-13 14:12:38

Welcome, fitflopqueen! You're on the spreadsheet.

fitflopqueen Thu 19-Sep-13 14:14:29

Thanks the detail has been really helpful

goodasitgets Thu 19-Sep-13 14:31:24

Can I recommend this soup? Use shallots instead of onion, ignore the milk (extra stock or cream instead)
http://www.nigella.com/recipes/view/cauliflower-cheese-soup-2774

Serve with crispy bacon on top smile

twistyfeet Thu 19-Sep-13 14:56:50

I need some more vegetarian recipes. We need to budget more (dont eat meat) and are struggling a fair bit with the amount of fish I'm eating to keep the protein up just as the blardy hens have stopped laying. I'm coming off Bootcamp in 5 days and going onto maintenance.
Any ideas?

loopyloou Thu 19-Sep-13 15:29:25

Thanks Lily smile I'll try with the water. But isn't peppermint tea the same? And other herbal teas?

What sort of low carb snacks do you eat?

pixiegumboot Thu 19-Sep-13 15:33:04

Am I supposed to be exhausted all the time?

pixiegumboot Thu 19-Sep-13 15:40:47

And feeling fuzzy headed, i cant' concentrate at all!!!

ofcoursethisisanamechange Thu 19-Sep-13 16:14:53

yes- snack ideas please! particularly peckish today!!

NigellasGuest Thu 19-Sep-13 16:23:30

newstart and vipers you're right about focusing on the measurements rather than scales. Another good day here. I'm very much of the eat when I'm hungry school of thought. Sometimes I go for ages between meals. I know this WOE makes me fuller for longer - I stay full overnight too.

Negroni Thu 19-Sep-13 16:26:05

Just checking in. Things ticking along here and hope I am losing - not weighing till Monday though!

Have v much enjoyed catching up on thread especially ProteinshakeGate and bodybuilding women photos - it is the walnutty colour of their skin I also find so very fascinating shock

NigellasGuest Thu 19-Sep-13 16:39:37

ProteinshakeGate grin

googoogoggles Thu 19-Sep-13 16:43:20

Hi all
I'm still reeling from some of those bodybuilder links. That last one BIWI posted. What's all that about? Looks like she's pulled on some kind of fake suit.
Still on track here food-wise those def not enough water yesterday and today after being really good with it up til now. Trying to remedy that but have to dash to supermarket and worry I'll have to leave my trolley down one of the aisles to rush for a wee...
God, Pag that's am amazing schedule your DD has. Pity she doesn't like nuts for fast re-fuelling – what about peanut butter that someone suggested earlier? My DD used to swim in our local squad but gave up when she was around 13 – and after all those trips to the ruddy pool. The least she could have done was become an olympic athlete. (just kidding) She has a lovely lean figure after all that sport, lucky thing.
Today so far:
B omelette
L home-made coleslaw with skin-on chicken breast
D tbc maybe lamb chops with buttery greens
Keep on everyone!
PS Glad you had a good date Newstart even if low-key!
Sorry, if I've missed responding to anything else.
BIWI very impressed with yr running. WIll bump thread later when I do donation

googoogoggles Thu 19-Sep-13 16:44:47

I'm staying out of that one!

NewStartNewStory Thu 19-Sep-13 16:54:02

grin @ ProteinshakeGate
Ds is doing his homework on my laptop. It is enough to drive you to drink. In a whole hour he has written 4 sentences and how he is still alive is a minor miracle.

Paprikka chicken drumsticks for tea tonight - potatoes for ds and courgette bake for me. Entirely too excited about this. hmmgrin

toomuchicecream Thu 19-Sep-13 17:02:35

Yay - my trousers are getting longer. Which, when you're 6 feet tall, is very exciting��I will have warm ankles this winter (but a colder tummy where my trousers aren't staying up as they used to).

captainmummy Thu 19-Sep-13 17:08:17

I have lit the log=-burner today! Room nice and warm.
also been v 'picky' today (prob cos I had a day off)
Breakfast 2 eggs scrambled with butter
lunch half bag leftover salad leaves, tomato, mayo
snacks radishes with butter, cheese slices with marmite,
dinner will be roast pork with crackling and roast cauli and prob some other veg too.
6 pints water and 4 large black teas.

BIWI Thu 19-Sep-13 17:51:11

pixie - sounds like carb flu, but as we're in week 2, a little unlikely. Are you in week 2?

If you are in week 2, were you strict in week 1? How did you feel last week?

Sounds like you might not be eating enough, and possibly not enough fat. List out for me what you've been eating/drinking over the last few days.

Lavenderhoney Thu 19-Sep-13 17:52:06

I wish I had measured at the start! Is it too late? What do I measure, waist, bust, hips and thighs?

Dh made me a coffee this morning and put in more than my normal dash of cream. He was very heavy handed- it tasted really sweet and I was sure he had put sugar in until I tried his sugary coffee and it was foulsmile

Still not having wine, very pleased with myself for thissmile

grin at powershakegate

BIWI Thu 19-Sep-13 17:52:41

... and could also mean that you have a problem with your electrolyte balance. Are you eating plenty of salt? Salmon, spinach and avocado all good things to eat to ensure you're getting sufficient sodium, potassium and magnesium, along with the salt.

Try drinking a hot drink made with Oxo or Marmite or Bovril - that should help with the salt, and make sure you're cooking with it/using it on your food.

NewStartNewStory Thu 19-Sep-13 17:53:38

Lavender sounds good and never to late to start to measure.

BIWI Thu 19-Sep-13 18:54:24

Look what Willie found!

I should run in this I think!

grin

StuntNun Thu 19-Sep-13 19:04:53

I think it's important to measure Loopy, I'm still a few ounces heavier than my weight on Sunday but my belt is a notch tighter so I hope to see the 'whoosh' in the next few days as another pound comes off.

dementedma Thu 19-Sep-13 19:32:25

Weird. I tried hard last week and only lost a pound. Got fed up of the headaches and feeling exhausted so pretty much gave up....since then I seem to have lost another 3lbs!
Don't know where I'm at now - what works and what doesn't. However am thinner, and that's all that matters

Pagwatch Thu 19-Sep-13 19:35:08

I have realised that how much water I drink is absoloutely key to how I get on each day.
The days I haven't drunk enough have been followed by a morning of headache and lethargy.

Are there any grandmas who need egg sucking advice?

halfthesize Thu 19-Sep-13 19:41:36

grin @ female body builders and love the t shirt BIWI & Willie

pixiegumboot Thu 19-Sep-13 19:44:26

yes I'm in week 2. you are right, def not eating enough. bit unplanned this week. off to drink Marmite now. actually might try beef stock uk Marmite is gross. smile smile