Autumn Low Carb Bootcamp - The Preparation Thread

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BIWI Tue 03-Sep-13 18:15:36

So it looks like a whole host of us have signed up grin

Some of you will be new to low carbing, others may have done it before but might need a bit of a reminder.

Certainly it is always good to start planning beforehand, so we can all get off to the best possible start.

Here goes:

For the whole of Bootcamp these are foods that you should not eat:


Beyond this there are only ten rules of Bootcamp. The idea behind this is to make it easy to follow - so no counting carbs and no weighing of anything. That said, it never does any harm for you to know how many carbs are in an average portion of anything, so you might want to weigh some of your portions to start with - but Bootcamp isn't about obsessive weighing and counting - it is supposed to be about normal and enjoyable eating.

The ten rules of Bootcamp are:

1. You must eat breakfast.
It doesn?t have to be a lot, and it doesn?t have to be absolutely first thing, but you must have something. For the rest of the day, if you?re eating enough food and you are in ketosis then you shouldn?t be hungry between meals. But if you are hungry, eat something. (Hard boiled eggs make a great snack).

After the first two weeks of Bootcamp we will relax this, but these two weeks are critical in terms of helping you switch easily to a low carb way of eating - and if you start to feel hungry, it makes things much harder! Eating this way will ensure that your blood sugar levels are kept stable, which will mean that you are much less likely to experience hunger.

A typical high carbohydrate diet can mean that snacking is a routine part of your day. Once your blood sugar levels are stable, by eating low carb, you should find that you no longer want to snack. But the rule of thumb here is ?if you are hungry, eat!?. (Just make sure you are only choosing low carb snacks, of course!)

2. Avoid processed food
Focus on pure, natural protein as the basis for your meals ? meat/fish/eggs. Things like sausages, bacon, pre-prepared burgers, Pepperami etc should be avoided as much as possible. You can have them, but just not every day. Avoid foods marketed as low carb, e.g. Atkins Daybreak bars. These products contain all manner of artificial ingredients, and often contain sugar. You should always check the carb counts of these foods if you are including them, as some of them can be surprisingly high (e.g. Tesco Chargrilled Burgers - per burger, fried, have 5.4g carbs)

3. Eat lots of fat
Eating fat will not make you fat. Honestly! But it will keep your appetite satisfied, and it sustains your body?s energy requirements perfectly. Fat does not provoke an insulin spike, unlike carbs which do (a lot) and protein (a little). Fry in butter, add butter to vegetables, eat salad with a home-made vinaigrette dressing (not made with balsamic vinegar though, as this is too sweet), add mayonnaise where you can (just check the carb count on your mayo first).

Eat fattier cuts of meat ? e.g. pork belly, roast chicken with the skin on and/or eat the fat off your lamb chops. Absolutely no low fat/light foods of any kind!

4. Make sure you are eating vegetables and salads with your food
This is where your carbs should come from, and this is non-negotiable. But choose only those vegetables that are on the allowed list. Make sure that you focus on eating those vegetables that are 3g carbs per 100g or less, and this will ensure that your carb counts are kept low. You don?t have to weigh/count carbs ? this is one of the great joys of this WOE (way of eating), but if you?re new to low carbing it can be helpful to weigh your portions of veg in the early days, just so that you know how many carbs are in the sort of portions that you like to eat.

5. Be careful about dairy (apart from butter, which is unlimited)
Dairy can impede weight loss for some people. If you drink tea/coffee with milk or cream, try to restrict yourself to max 2 cups per day. There are a lot of carbs in milk, so if you are having several cups of tea/coffee per day, you will quickly rack up your daily carb count (e.g. 1 medium latte contains more than 12g carbs!)

You may eat cheese but again, don't overdo it.

Full fat yoghurt is the best way to include dairy in your diet - but beware, it does contain carbs. Total Full Fat is the best

6. You must drink a minimum of 2 litres of water per day
The more weight you have to lose, the more water you should drink. This is from carblife . Water is essential to weight loss for those who eat low-carb. The minimum consumed in a day should be

Your Weight----------Litres

High levels of ketones in the blood stream can lead to a reduction in ketone production, therefore being well hydrated could aid in keeping the levels low and ketone production ongoing. Consuming enough water can have many other positive side effects: aids your kidneys with the processing of protein, reduces the retention of water, helps with preventing constipation, and reduces the levels of ketones released by your breath, which in-turn will reduce breath odour.

However, drinking a lot of water can mean that you also need to keep an eye on your electrolyte balance. You need to make sure that you are consuming sufficient sodium and potassium. On a low carb diet we can eat more salt, so make sure that you are cooking with salt and adding salt to food, if you like it. Good, low carb, sources of potassium are spinach (raw), avocado, mushrooms, courgettes and asparagus, as well as salmon and yoghurt.

7. No alcohol
Alcohol is the easiest source of fuel for the body to burn, so it will always use this first before it starts to burn any fat - which is why you need to restrict it, especially in the first two weeks of Bootcamp, when we are encouraging the body to stop using carbs for its source of fuel and turn to fat-burning instead.

If you really can't do this - at least try and restrict it to the weekend. Vodka with soda is the best thing to drink. Or Champagne, red wine or dry white wine.

8. No fruit
Really. Seriously. Honestly. None at all. Zilch. Nada

After Bootcamp you will be able to introduce certain fruits, but at this stage fruit is simply too carby. We are also trying to break the addiction to sweet things, so cutting fruit out is part of this process. If you are getting all your carbs from vegetables and salad, you will be getting all the nutrients and fibre that you need.

9. No nuts/seeds
Whilst these are really good to snack on later, when we move into Bootcamp Light - it can be too easy to start snacking on these, and before you know it, all your carbs have gone on nuts. Seriously - in Bootcamp - don't do it to yourself!

10. No sugar or artificial sweeteners
Sugar is an obvious ?no no?, but artificial sweeteners are also an issue. One of the aims of this way of eating is to eat pure and natural foods, so including sweeteners is not recommended.

Some people find that artificial sweeteners can impede their weight loss, and there is some suggestion that your body can respond to sweeteners as if they were sugar, by releasing more insulin - and therefore laying down fat. Given that the aim of Bootcamp is to help us lose our sweet tooth and addiction to sweet things, then it is a good idea to avoid sweeteners altogether in this first two weeks.

Allowed Veg

Look at the tabs on the bottom of the Spreadsheet of Wonderfulness for these

The general rule of thumb is to focus on choosing veg that is 3g carbs per 100g; others, like onions, are allowed (because they are such a versatile veg), but are quite carby if you use too much.


It's up to you how often you weigh - although Monday morning is our usual weigh-in day.

You can enter your weight in pounds or kilos on the spreadsheet. There is a useful converter on there as well. Or, if you prefer, you can index your weight. Your starting weight will be 100, and for every pound you lose, drop by one point.

Some people like to weigh daily, as they feel that it helps to keep them on track. This is fine, but remember that your weight naturally fluctuates on a day-by-day basis and can be affected by all kinds of things, especially your menstrual cycle. If you can't cope with seeing the scales show no change, or a slight increase, then don't do it to yourself! Far better to weigh just once a week.

The other thing to realise is that you can lose inches whilst the scales may show no change. I have no idea why! So it's a good idea to take your measurements before you start.

Or, find an item of clothing that is too tight right now, and keep trying that on every week. Our clothes are the most accurate way of monitoring weight loss.

Keep a food diary

It's really useful to do this. Keep an honest, accurate record of everything that you're eating and drinking, and annotate this with your weight. This way you will be able to look back and see what helped or hindered your progress. Mark on it if/when you have taken any exercise as well.

Be aware of carb flu

Some people find that the first few days of low carbing can be quite tough - you may feel headachey, tired and irritable - as if you are going down with the flu. Not everyone gets this, but a lot of people do. Things you can do to help:

- try cutting down on your carbs over the next few days, before you eliminate all the key suspects; a gradual cutting down may help you (especially if you are a real carboholic!)

- once we start Bootcamp, make sure that you are drinking plenty of water and eating plenty of fat

- keep your electrolyte levels up. The key things you need to ensure you are eating are sodium, potassium and magnesium. Good sources of these foods are salmon, avocado and spinach. And make sure you're eating plenty of salt. Along with fat, this is something else that seems counter-intuitive! Try making a hot drink out of an Oxo cube, or Marmite/Bovril.

- don't struggle on - if you have a headache, take some paracetamol (but avoid ibuprofen as this can impact on weight loss)

Do some reading about low carbing

There are loads of great resources on the Spreadsheet - links to websites, blogs and videos. Reading/watching these will help you to understand the science behind low carbing. This is important as you will soon find people questioning what you're eating/why you're eating so much fat, etc. You need to feel confident yourself that it's the right thing to do, but you also need to be able to answer those who will try and scoff at your diet.

Plan, plan, plan

This is not a WOE that is easy without forward planning. Especially if your day involves you needing to eat when you are out and about. Know where you can buy food from if you're on the go (Marks & Spender Simply Food is usually a good bet), or make sure that you have something to eat with you.

You will certainly, until you get into the swing of cooking low carb meals, need to think ahead about what you're going to cook, and to make sure that you have plenty of low carb foods in the house.

The recipe thread has some great and easy low carb things to cook . Feel free to add your own recipes - with carb counts if at all possible!

Hopefully all this will help. No doubt I've forgotten something grin but if you have any questions, just ask.

I will set up a different thread each week, and I will also set up a separate question thread. From experience, the chat thread moves pretty quickly, so a separate question thread is a good place if there's something you really need to know.

There are lots of us who will be on Bootcamp who have been low carbing for a while now, so if you are in any doubt about anything, please ask.

Good luck everyone.

ChippingInNeedsSleepAndCoffee Tue 03-Sep-13 18:41:08

smile There are an awful lot of victims willing participants this time around aren't there! And that's without us 'Spreadsheet Refusniks' grin

Poor, poor Willie.

I hope you are both well rested flowers wine

Lavenderhoney Tue 03-Sep-13 18:45:30

Its dh birthday this weekend, so I plan to enjoy that and get with the programsmile on the 9th.

Thanks for the reminder on it all- I think my glass of wine with lots of water and ice will be hard to give up, plus a small square of chocolate occasionallysmile
Bed early for me every night for two weeks, I thinksmile

ZingWantsCake Tue 03-Sep-13 19:06:11

oh dear.
I think I'm out.

good luck

ZimboMum Tue 03-Sep-13 19:21:10

Thanks biwi. Have been low carbing pretty consistently since April's boot camp, but a reminder of the rules is great and looking forward to getting back on the straight and narrow.

loopyloou Tue 03-Sep-13 19:32:55

Thanks BIWI smile

BIWI Tue 03-Sep-13 19:37:14

Oh no, Zing - what's up?

captainmummy Tue 03-Sep-13 19:46:46

What's up Zing?

Ruprekt Tue 03-Sep-13 19:59:22 really works! Come back! smilesmilesmile

starrystarryknut Tue 03-Sep-13 20:43:13

Can I join? Started low carbing yesterday and then found this thread. The spreadsheet is amazing. I want to lose 7kg (about 1 stone). Am trying to get fit as well... I'm really lazy. Do I put my name on the spreadsheet?

ChippingInNeedsSleepAndCoffee Tue 03-Sep-13 21:02:32

Zing which rule was it that has sent you running???

StuntNun Tue 03-Sep-13 21:13:18

BIWI the reason why you can feel slimmer on this Way Of Eating without losing weight is the way your fat stores are used. If you have a calorie deficit and use up a pound of your fat stores then your body will temporarily replace that fat with a pound of water. Presumably this is so that if you suddenly have a calorie excess then it is possible to easily replace your fat stores. This is the important bit: water is more dense than fat so a pound of water takes up less space, or volume, than a pound of fat. So your weight is the same but your 'volume' has reduced and you are slimmer. Then when your body decides that it isn't going to replace those fat stores then you lose the pound of water and your weight drops. Note that this is another reason why you need to have a high water intake on this WOE.

OhCobblers Tue 03-Sep-13 21:40:32

Quick question though looking at the rules I think I know the answer!
I eat a lot of olives stuffed with almonds - are these out for Bootcamp?


ZingWantsCake Tue 03-Sep-13 22:21:02

thanks all of you, but I really don't I could follow this.sad

it was the first rule of no bread, rice, pasta, sugar, fruit shock's a bit of "you lost me at hello"grin

seriously, I'm sorry for my DOA attitude. I don't want to put a bad vibe on your thread BIWI !

I'll be cheering you all on from a safe distance though, good luck to all of you!
(and drink that water! wink)

Purple2012 Tue 03-Sep-13 22:34:06

Im in. Im 5 days in so far and I am doing ok. Have had a few headaches and felt achy 2 days in but drinking lots more water.

timidviper Tue 03-Sep-13 22:43:37

Zing You might be surprised if you give it a go. Bread, rice, pasta, sugar, fruit were probably my favourite foods ever but I decided at the heaviest I had ever been that desperate measures were called for. I now realise it wasn't just a liking for those foods, it was almost a dependency. I have now discovered a healthier way to eat and feel better for it, not to mention I have lost 3 stone!

Purple2012 Tue 03-Sep-13 22:59:40

zing my old diet was very carb heavy. I would have porridge, toast or breakfast biscuits for breakfast. Sandwich and crisps for lunch and pasta, potato or bread heavy tea. I would have fruit or rice cakes for snacks. I thought I would really struggle eating low carb but so far it has been fine.

silverangel Wed 04-Sep-13 07:37:01

Does anyone know why I can't open the spreadsheet - it just loading for hours?


Purple2012 Wed 04-Sep-13 07:39:05

silver are you trying on your phone? I could only open it on my laptop.

CheeseAndFriedMushrooms Wed 04-Sep-13 08:11:43

Marking place to read later

captainmummy Wed 04-Sep-13 08:21:37

Zing - i was also a carb-queen. Every meal was carb-heavy, with very little protein,and very little fat (Thanks, Rosemary Conley!) - but this WOE is the way we should be eating - no processed food, no low-fat gunk, no sugar. All these are processed. Carbs raise your blood-sugars and cause a crash later, causing you to feel starving.

We eat proper food, meat and veg. It's not hard. It's lovely to be able to eat fat, cream, cheese, butter after decades of denial and hunger. Fats fill you up and you will go hours without feeling hungry.

Sugar is addictive, so hard to give up. Wheat is not easily digested, leading to bloating and IBS-symptoms. Processed foods are full of chemicals. lowfat food is full of thickeners and sweeteners and emulsifiers to replace the fat - why not just eat the fat? It won't make you fat.

Honestly, try it. If you need help with menu-planning or recipes, we can help.

We can explain the science behind it. Let us help you. grin

hazchem Wed 04-Sep-13 08:41:39

I'm in pre bootcamp this week by doing briffra. So had the odd strawberry ect. I've also decided to take the supplements he recommends for the first few weeks too.

zing is one particular thing on there the most scary?

sybilfaulty Wed 04-Sep-13 08:43:09

Adding myself yo the thread. Hello everyone.

ImFineThankYou Wed 04-Sep-13 08:47:53

When does bootcamp start?

i'm afraid the spreadsheet is not perfect - it works best on a laptop/desktop in google chrome if you have it downloaded... i am looking at alternatives but it's the best we've got for now

MrsSnuffleupagus Wed 04-Sep-13 09:15:20

Thanks BIWI, I've been doing a bit of pre-bootcamp prep by lowering my carbs and am looking forward to starting properly next week smile Will probably need your big stick to get me to remember to drink enough though I really am crap at this blush

Purple2012 Wed 04-Sep-13 09:18:53

mrssnuffle I worried about that too but I found I was thirsty a lot more and needed to drink more water.

pixiegumboot Wed 04-Sep-13 09:25:51

where can I ask questions...I have a few, shall I just put them out there now?
lentils yes or no? I quite like a dhall.
tinned salmon ok?
low alcohol beer ok? (for later on when I'm skinny)
there's a vege or two missing on spreadsheet, one just says p. presumably it's not potatoessmile

HeySoulSister Wed 04-Sep-13 09:27:37

I'm a long term low carber.... 5 stone off since nov. have now stalked and have 2 stone to go.

So im back. Confidant this will shift. However, I'm going to be somehow incorporating juicing into this

Might juice between now and day 1 of bootcamp to get me back into it

Need to get back into my running too!

MrsSnuffleupagus Wed 04-Sep-13 09:29:00

that's what I'm hoping Purple, interestingly on the subject of drinking I've been trying to avoid squash etc and just drink water for the past week, have just taken a swig of my dd's squash and nearly spat it back back out again! It tasted so sweet and sickly confused Its amazing how quickly your taste buds can change shock

ChippingInNeedsSleepAndCoffee Wed 04-Sep-13 09:29:42

StuntNun - I think you should 'keep' that post and keep reposting from time to time, it's a good reminder for when the bloody scales aren't shifting!

OhCobblers - yes, you know the answer smile An almond is an almond whether it's stuffed in an olive or anything else grin Unless you are vegetarian then you are allowed some... they don't seem to affect my weight loss

Zing - it was the first rule of no bread, rice, pasta, sugar, fruit's a bit of "you lost me at hello" PMSL smile Lurk on the thread, you might find yourself gradually falling into it. As I said, I just cut right down at first, then decided to do it 'for a few weeks' and now find myself eating like this all the time. But the initial thought of 'giving all that up' I was Resistance Personified. You have the water bit sorted grin & what Timid, Purple & Captain said!!

MrsSnuffleupagus Wed 04-Sep-13 09:33:47

Chipping how about garlic stuffed olives? Currently my snack of choice, although obviously hoping the 'need' (or habit) to snack disappears after a while...but until then?

ChippingInNeedsSleepAndCoffee Wed 04-Sep-13 09:39:12

Imfinethankyou - next Monday, the 9th smile

Pixi there's a questions thread somewhere, but just ask away on here smile

The Unofficial Answers are:

lentils - No, far too carby (I like dahl too - I like losing weight more grin).
tinned salmon Perfect
mozzarella some people find dairy, esp cheese, makes them stall, others are fine with it. Keep eating it for now but if you aren't seeing the results you would like, try cutting it out for a bit to see. Most people are fine with greek yogurt (the Total stuff is good, buy the full fat stuff) Butter is totally fine, not processed like other dairy.
low alcohol beer ok? Alcohol gets burned first, so as you say, not for Bootcamp. When you are 'skinny' you can make that call for yourself then.
vege missing on spreadsheet, one just says p. presumably it's not potatoes - HA HA HA yes you are right - it's definitely not potatoes if you are talking about the allowed list grin

ChippingInNeedsSleepAndCoffee Wed 04-Sep-13 09:40:31

Olives are fine, garlic is fine - I can't see any reasons why shoving one inside the other would change that smile Just check the carb count on the pot incase they have added any sugar or anything.

pixiegumboot Wed 04-Sep-13 09:40:58

thanks chipping

ChippingInNeedsSleepAndCoffee Wed 04-Sep-13 09:44:29

Oh & by the way, I'm not trying to answer for BIWI, I just think we should try to 'sort it amongst ourselves' a bit until Bootcamp starts or else it's a permanent Bootcamp and I'm sure there's a bit of Real Life she needs to sort before next Monday & the Madness starting grin She wont hesitate to tell off- us if we are --wrong mistaken I'm sure!

ChippingInNeedsSleepAndCoffee Wed 04-Sep-13 09:45:36

Pixi it looks a bit daunting at first, but if you are organised & prepared it really isn't - honest smile

MrsSnuffleupagus Wed 04-Sep-13 09:50:45

Thanks Chipping smile I'm just trying to get as organised as possible- as previously said preparation is the key smile Poor BIWI there's going to be a lot of us to keep in order next week shock

StuntNun Wed 04-Sep-13 10:04:56

As a bit of motivation for the newbies, I have been low carbing for the last eleven weeks and I have lost 21 lb. This is an important milestone for me as it's the same weight as my ten-month-old baby. Talk about losing the baby weight! Only 9 lb to go to reach the weight I was in my mid-20s, I hope to achieve that this bootcamp.

So good luck fellow losers!

miemohrs Wed 04-Sep-13 10:12:49

Message withdrawn at poster's request.

obrigada Wed 04-Sep-13 10:17:59

Just to get it straight in my head, bootcamp proper lasts for 2 weeks?

Miemohrs scrambled eggs is a great breakfast. Would you be able to get that into the morning routine?

If not, maybe get some boiled eggs in the fridge ahead of time. Then you could have boiled eggs (mashed with butter, or mayo?) maybe with cheese or cold meats, and avocado or salad leaves?

By the way yes I reckon cold sausages fine too, the rules above say not every day though.

Another great stand-by is Total greek yogurt (full fat) for breakfast.

You can have anything you like, in fact sometimes a really great breakfast is leftovers of yesterday's dinner! (especially if it was a curry..mmmm...(or is that just me)). Or something you'd normally think of as a lunch like tuna mayo salad. Less easy on the morning routine unless you prepare it the night before.

prettybird Wed 04-Sep-13 10:22:35

Marking place. Having lost nearly 3 stone on this WoE since the New year Boot Camp, I am now about half a stone away from my target smile

Hey Soul Sister ! 5 stone off so far! wow - much respect, what an inspiration.

Obrigada yes 2 weeks from 9th Sept for bootcamp proper. Bootcamp light for the 8 weeks after that isn't massively different but you can eat berries, drink alcohol, if you want. I think those are the IMPORTANT differences!

miemohrs Wed 04-Sep-13 10:31:31

Message withdrawn at poster's request.

VikingLady Wed 04-Sep-13 10:44:07

Is it too late to join? I did the last one but put a lot back on over summer (family issues, spent a lot of time in other people's houses). Really need to start again!

StuntNun Wed 04-Sep-13 10:46:27

Miemohrs no need for ketostix, just follow the rules. You need to be strict for the first two weeks to break the carb addiction and to let your body's biochemistry adjust to fat-burning instead of carb-burning. Drinking lots of water and making sure you get enough electrolytes will get you through the 'carb flu' in the first few days when you can feel a bit rubbish for two or three days. I use LoSalt for extra potassium and organic sea salt (bought from Tesco) which has calcium and magnesium as well. You can eat more salt on a low carb diet as your kidneys excrete more sodium (and water) than when on the standard diet.

Everyone has a different tolerance for carbs. Some people, especially men, will lose weight on 100g carbs a day, most people need to be below 50g and some people need to keep it even lower. I find I can have one potato with my roast dinner or a piece of fruit occasionally and still lose weight but everyone needs to experiment to find out what works for them.

Similarly some people won't lose if they eat a lot of dairy but others aren't affected. I can't eat eggs so I have 250g Lidl Greek yoghurt (£1.69 for a kilogram) and a tablespoon of double cream for breakfast. After bootcamp I will add a few berries (bought frozen).

YellowWellies Wed 04-Sep-13 10:54:44

I'm going to sign up for this but won't be able to join in until the end of October as I'm on a dairy free diet to BF my dairy intolerant son. He's being weaned at the end of next month so I'm happy to make big changes to my diet then - I'm a bit limited before that as I can't have dairy.

prettybird Wed 04-Sep-13 11:05:07

Yellowellies - if it helps, it is possible to follow this WoE dairy free. The Ubercamp (3 extra strict days) on one of the tabs could give you ideas.

I'm not sure if butter still triggers your ds - but you could always use coconut oil (HTC Pure from the ethnic oil of the supermarket or local ethnic shops is much cheaper than the Extra Virgin stuff beside all the other oils) to cook in. Stuff doesn't taste of coconut oil, honest! grin

Just means you can't have yoghurt and cheese (both nice quick breakfasts/snacks) and would have to have pure egg scrambled eggs without the addition of cream.

obrigada Wed 04-Sep-13 11:15:23

Am looking forward to starting bootcamp on Monday, have been tempted to start earlier but have a habit of being all gung-ho about things and then losing interest. This time I can be fully prepared and get my shopping done at the weekendsmile

Ilisten2theradio Wed 04-Sep-13 11:23:30

Could I be added please?
I actually started on Monday as I have a BIG party to go to on the 22nd and wanted to be over bootcamp proper by then.
I am feeling OK so far - and 2lb lighter already!!!! I know its only water but its still 2lb.
I had done very well on the bootcamp just after X-mas , but the weight was beginning to creep back slightly so drastic measures are necessary and hopefully this time I'll shed the last of the weight that keeps me at "overweight" on the BMI scales. Its "only" another 9lb so I reckon it should be do-able.

pixiegumboot Wed 04-Sep-13 11:41:59

hello again, you can tell I'm doing my online shop for next week...... see pumpkin is allowed yah, so is butternut squash the same thing?

i had seen the missing veg on the spreadsheet and had corrected. there is a good reason why 'do not touch the blue cells' is highlighted in yellow!

StuntNun Wed 04-Sep-13 11:48:30

Obrigada it will be easier from Monday because so many of us will be bootcamping together so you'll be able to see what others are eating day to day to get some ideas.

by the way - I will not be doing the spreadsheet with everyone's names until this weekend. please could you add your names to this thread here to keep it manageable

ChippingInNeedsSleepAndCoffee Wed 04-Sep-13 11:50:13

Snaffle - yes, I think poor Biwi is going to need more than one stick and a bucket load of gin water smile Preparation is definitely the key to making it doable easy.

StuntNun - I'd forgotten you were so close to goal smile How exciting. I am sure you'll do it this BC. 9lbs. I can't imagine being that close to goal, I have more than 10x that to go, but for once I actually feel it's possible. Not this BC clearly grin

Mienohrs - maybe all of us oldies should post what we are eating everyday (some very helpful ones already do), that might help with snacks/quick meals? I'm not good at doing it on here because I have to keep saying 'I do this because I'm vegetarian and I don't eat eggs' and because I eat the same things most days (I just find it easier and I don't mind) though 'cut & paste' is an option! However, given I used to graze like a cow, I barely 'snack' at all now - I just don't need it - it's FAB!

Obrigada Yes - Bootcamp Proper is 'only' two weeks, but you do it longterm if you want to/have more weight to lose. I (vege) Bootcamp Proper all the time with only the odd stray into Bootcamp Lite with the very occasional alcoholic drink the odd berry. (Though I eat nuts throughout as I'm vegetarian - no eggs). You need to do the two weeks strictly though, to get your body used to not having carbs & sweet things so that it learns to burn fat.

PrettyBird - well done smile I am looking forward to more photos from you!

YellowWellies - I go 'dairy free' while doing this sometimes (and I'm permanently vegetarian) - there are lots of vegans low carbing. You will be fine, if you want to do it from the beginning. Plenty of people to help out with ideas etc.

VikingLady Sorry, it's far too late.

NOT!! I've added you and 'Listen2The Radio onto the list smile

ChippingInNeedsSleepAndCoffee Wed 04-Sep-13 11:50:52

No - I'm not avoiding the housework, what makes you think that hmm


Slopes off to mop the floors...

caughtintheact Wed 04-Sep-13 11:59:26

Thanks BIWI
can I ask about the Ibuprofen hindering weight loss- never heard of that before, where have you got that from?

miemohrs Wed 04-Sep-13 12:02:01

Message withdrawn at poster's request.

pootlebug Wed 04-Sep-13 12:13:58

Yellowwellies - look up some Paleo recipes - e.g. here They are generally low carb (avoid sweet potatoes though) and dairy free.

maidofmess Wed 04-Sep-13 12:52:19

Hello campers [waves] Hope you've all had a good summer. Haven't been reading/posting on the ongoing threads but I'm definitely back for bootcamp on Monday. Far too much much wine and cake and [insert have an icon for large carby breakfast-type things]. Not looking forward to stepping on my scales again – think I'm at least 4lbs up from my last weigh in – but I'm going to cut out rice, bread, pasta from today in preparation, so we'll see...
Willie - should I just add my name to the new spreadsheet on Monday, or have you posted one. Sorry I've missed all the info/links on this!

maidofmess Wed 04-Sep-13 12:56:50

Willlie - hv just seen and added name!

NigellasGuest Wed 04-Sep-13 12:58:39

Well done StuntNun - and thanks for the post about feeling slimmer as opposed to the scales moving, etc. I experience this a lot!

Not that I am feeling too slim ATM having had a choc ice and 4 squares of Dairy Milk chocolate last night. However, in the past I would have found it impossible to stop at 4 squares of chocolate so in a way, that's progress.

Good luck everyone! And anyone dreading giving up bread, pasta, fruit.... just give it a go and see, for a few days. After a bit, you don't want them anymore, and you don't get jittery if you don't have your "fix" of starch or sugar. You have to completely go cold turkey however. It really is worth it!

maidofmess Wed 04-Sep-13 13:06:03

Agree about going cold turkey nigella Also dreading the first few days. Have to fight late evening urges to feast on Nutella straight from the jar BUT it is worth it. Remember feeling brilliant weeks 2-3 once I was in the swing of things and doing it properly....
This time, though, MUST drink enough water. Think I didn't last time and it did slow weight loss right down

captainmummy Wed 04-Sep-13 13:12:55

Sounds like we are all positive and raring to go!!

To whoever asked about garlic-stuffed olives - a garlic clove contains about 1g carbs, so do watch out for that. Don't eat too many in one go.

Twit Wed 04-Sep-13 13:15:52

Hi all, it's nearly time.... grin
I'm going to see if the dss can set up the wi for me to weigh myself on, otherwise I'll just do waist measurements if that's ok with everyone. Oddly I find it really easy drink enough water, but end up not eating enough, and the last time I did bootcamp, spring last year, I got really bad carb flu shock. However I don't eat many carbs anymore so hopefully it won't be too bad, just a case of getting rid of the ones that help me stay awake. wink

ChippingInNeedsSleepAndCoffee Wed 04-Sep-13 13:20:59

The kitchen looked lovely.

For about 2 minutes.

I then took a saw to the kitchen cupboard.

Kitchen now not looking At All lovely.

I have, however, burned off quite a few calories I'm sure smile Silver linings and all that!

HighJinx Wed 04-Sep-13 13:25:32

Is there still time to join?

<throws contents of kitchen cupboards into a bin bag hopefully>

StuntNun Wed 04-Sep-13 13:29:42

Agreed Nigella I had a burger-in-a-bun for the first time in three months at the weekend and I commented to DH at the time that I don't miss bread at all, I wasn't that fussed about it at all. Before starting the WOE I wondered how I could cope without bread, pasta, rice and potatoes. Then I eat something like roast pork belly with roasted broccoli and mushrooms fried in butter and the next day I've lost a pound! When I reach my target weight then I can add in the occasional pasta meal or dessert but until then I'd rather lose weight than eat carby foods.

My top tip is to avoid the smell of toast, it's very difficult to resist in the first week or two. And do your shopping in advance or online if you can as walking down aisles of carbs is a real test of willpower at first. After a while you start to view cereal, pasta, biscuits etc. as non-food items, at least that's what happened to me.

ChippingInNeedsSleepAndCoffee Wed 04-Sep-13 13:33:16

CaptainMummy there's not a huge amount of garlic in the stuffed olives. The ones I have are 1g per 100g, so it's highly unlikely to be a problem, but as I said, everyone needs to check the info on the actual ones they buy smile

ChippingInNeedsSleepAndCoffee Wed 04-Sep-13 13:34:27

HighJinx Of course!! Just add your name to the list that Willie linked to at 11.49.16 smile

MrsSnuffleupagus Wed 04-Sep-13 13:46:01

ooh that was me captainmummy thanks for that smile

HighJinx Wed 04-Sep-13 13:50:46

Thanks Chipping I have signed up.

Off to re-read the OP very carefully and get prepared.

tenementfunster Wed 04-Sep-13 14:00:04

hope this the right place for a few questions
Can i eat oats?!

the thing with the fats......that's ok for the cholesterol etc?

have a huge diabetes family history so if i can get to a place where sweets and high carbs don't figure i will pretty happy, but obviously concerned about fat intake too.

have about 2.5 -3 stone to lose.


ZingWantsCake Wed 04-Sep-13 14:21:40

You lot are great and so supportive, I really appreciate your wanting to help and thank you for caring so much!thanks
(I am genuinely touched!)

it's the "cutting out" stuff completely that I don't think I can do right now.
I don't want to commit to yet another something that I won't complete. I'd just feel like failure.
I hope you lovely lot don't mind me saying so.

but I am interested and will use recipes and tips from the other thread.
I need to and will cut down carbs - it has to be a gradual change for me though.

BIWI as I said I don't want to ruin the vibe with my doubts, but if I have any questions can I post here or shall I PM you?

good luck everyone!

LonelyGoatherd Wed 04-Sep-13 14:30:40

I'm in.

Does mint tea count as water?

loopyloou Wed 04-Sep-13 14:34:17

Zing, I think cutting down on carbs is definitely a good idea and you may then find you want to be stricter at some point.

I decided I'd rather lose weight than eat carbs, it was that simple. It really isn't difficult to follow once you get past the first week and it works!

I'm sure none of us mind you asking questions smile I've asked so many over the last boot camp, it's so different to everything we've previously taken as a given about dieting.

There are some great books I would recommend reading that will help you understand why low fat dieting doesn't work. John Briffa's books are good. Also Wheat Belly. (I think that's what it's called). And there's one about sugar that I can't remember the name of. I also would recommend Zoe Harcombe's books/website, that's how I first heard about low carb. Also India and Neris's diet, from pig to twig (website and book).


ChippingInNeedsSleepAndCoffee Wed 04-Sep-13 14:40:37

tenementfuster - no, no oats. Sorry. Oats are HUGELY carby. Have you read the list of 'rules'? << I can link for you if you can't find them. It will help you do your initial shop.

I know it's very very hard to get your head around, that eating fat is actually OK, in fact, better than OK. My cholesterol went down from 5.9 to 5.1 in 3 months and I was eating a lot more cheese, butter, cream etc than ever before. It really is OK.

You might like to read 'Escape the Diet Trap' by John Briffa, he explains a lot of the 'why' in a very easy to read way. All the libraries have copies of it's very cheap on Ebay.

I started this because I was diagnosed with type II diabetes sad My Hba1c is down from 9.3 to 5.3 in 6 months (at 5.8 in 3 months). It keeps me on the low carb straight and narrow and I genuninely no longer crave sweet/carby things.

Zing - I understand, I really do, of course no one will mind you saying so - we all have to walk our own path in life! Just chat and come along for the ride... do what you feel able to do. Ask questions - whatever you ask will help other people as well smile Just to say to you too - my periods are now regular and are (touch wood) lighter, I think it has helped regulate my cycle a bit. Just don't tell us about the lovely dreadful carbs you are eating grin

Ilisten2theradio Wed 04-Sep-13 15:09:07

To whoever it was who suggested we post what we have eaten,
Here it is since Monday
B: None - Bad I know!
L: scrambled eggs, mini portobello mushrooms cooked in Guernsey milk butter, and smoked salmon
s: Lidl Greek Style yoghurt with vanilla powder and orange essence ( no sugar honest!)
D: homemade burger with bacon and cheese, more mushrooms, veggies, and swede chips
B: Greek yoghurt with vanilla powder and linseeds sprinkled over it
L: Onion omelette and Salad leaves, more yoghurt
D: Chicken and leeks cooked in cream and stock cube with cheese added at the last minute, swede, carrots( few), broccoli and cauliflower.
So far today: B: half a blackberry muffin in a minute ( I know its not bootcamp but I have to eat at work due to medications early in the morning, and its the only thing that keeps me full enough to last the morning.Sorry BIWI) L: Salad leaves, 4 cherry tomatoes, half and avocado and half a pack of egg and bacon deli filler

goodasitgets Wed 04-Sep-13 15:47:40

Zing - just a thought when I saw your post. Maybe try eating your protein first? So (I don't know which bits you'd struggle cutting out most), if you say plate up meat/veg/carbs, eat the meat and veg first and see how you feel, ask yourself if you want the carbs
If I'm craving chocolate, I try and eat something first like 2 boiled eggs, then ask myself if I still want the chocolate

tenementfunster Wed 04-Sep-13 16:02:01

thanks for yr post, chipping. really reassuring re cholesterol and diabetes

BIWI Wed 04-Sep-13 17:49:27

Sorry - a very quick post as I'm working - and will be working all evening.

Apologies Zing- my OP may have frightened you a bit too much! I added fruit into the list of things that you can't have for the entire Bootcamp, whereas it's actually only the first two weeks. After that, when you move to Bootcamp Light, you can include some fruit.

I understand that it might seem like an overwhelmingly impossible task to give up the carbs grin but it honestly really is worth it. But if you're worried or have any questions at all, please don't hesitate to ask, or to PM me if you want.

starrystarryknut Wed 04-Sep-13 18:00:02

I'm on my second day. Today I had a work conference (catered) and I took my own lunch box - some spiced tofu slices, a bit of celery, cucumber and cabbage salad with sesame oil and chilli. I totally did not eat one single crumb of the work sandwiches, cakes, samosas, or anything.

I had scrambled eggs for breakfast, and tonight I'm doing salmon with some braised leeks and courgettes. So far so good!

For me the big challenge is not having a glass of wine, especially when it's such a lovely summer evening.

loopyloou Wed 04-Sep-13 18:44:29

Today I had egg mayo with 2 (low carb) sausages for breakfast, for lunch lovely chicken drumsticks with crispy skin and a salad of spinach leaves, cucumber and cherry tomatoes with home made dressing, for dinner we are having chicken curry with cauliflower mash. Also had one snack of natural yoghurt.

nilbyname Wed 04-Sep-13 19:44:54

Ok, I'm in!

I had a great food day today and have felt really full all day.

Breakfast-- scrambled eggs with mushrooms in butter

Lunch--smoked salmon with mixed leaves, some crumbs of Roquefort

Supper-- brocalli, cauliflower and blue cheese soup.

Have has 4 chocolate eclair sweets, but not going to get too mad at myself!

HighJinx Wed 04-Sep-13 19:57:11

nilby I have added you to the now long list on the other thread

Your menu today sounds lovely. Did you make the soup?

ChippingInNeedsSleepAndCoffee Wed 04-Sep-13 19:57:33

Ooops I meant once we started Bootcamp, but hey ho smile

tenementfunster I hope you feel OK about it now smile

UterusUterusGhali Wed 04-Sep-13 20:01:17

I'm going to lurk if that's ok....

I lost a lot of weight years ago this way, and felt much healthier.

nilbyname Wed 04-Sep-13 20:10:48

Thank you highjinx

Soup was homemade-
In butter with a touch of olive oil, slowly sauté one chopped onion, stick of celery, carrot. Then tip in half a bag of frozen cauliflower and brocalli florets, cook together until simmering, season. I added in some homemade chicken stock, but a cube/stir in jelly would be fine.

Add in some water, cook for ten mins, take off heat, add in a good glug of single cream and crumbled in a tablespoon of Roquefort. Blitz it all together, eat!!

Doshusallie Wed 04-Sep-13 20:29:24

Marking place.

Am excited to be on the list! In my enthusiasm I have started early and really cannot believe how unhungry I am! I'm normally starving by 4pm but today was still not hungry by 6pm. It kind of makes me feel silly for never trying this WOE before

pixiegumboot Wed 04-Sep-13 21:25:18

sorry to harp on, is butternut squash the same as pumpkin & OK to have?

Well done Starry!

Pixie Butternut squash is a bit on the carby side. The veg carb counter on the spreadsheet says 7.5 g carbs per 100g (the aim is to eat veg at 3g carbs and under). HOWEVER I do sometimes sneak a bit of roasted butternut squash onto my plate, I just go easy on it due to this carby nature.

Whether pumpkin has a similar carb count I don't know. I suspect pumpkin might be slightly lower carbs than butternut squash - as butternut squash actually TASTES sweet after all!

pixiegumboot Wed 04-Sep-13 23:23:50

oh bugger.

CrabbyBigBottom Wed 04-Sep-13 23:24:47

Marking my place from Cornwall - land of cream teas and ice creams! I'll probably be back in time for bootcamp, but until then... Oh the carbs are delicious! blush grin

HavantGuard Wed 04-Sep-13 23:28:47

I started on Sunday. I don't feel hungry shock. I've also kept on drinking Diet Coke because I'd wither and die without it. Still losing weight.

HavantGuard Wed 04-Sep-13 23:31:38

I worked out the calorie count of what I ate yesterday (just because) and it's a good 500 less than I was eating before. But I'm eating as much as I want to.

It be dark magic I tells thee ...

Purple2012 Wed 04-Sep-13 23:42:40

havantguard I can't give up diet coke either and I had a big loss this week. I have been drinking a lot less of it though and having more water.

Marking place

starrystarryknut Thu 05-Sep-13 09:03:12

I snuck a look at the scales this morning. I've lost 1.5kg (3.5lb) in 3 days shock

BIWI Thu 05-Sep-13 09:28:09

Brilliant flowers

HighJinx Thu 05-Sep-13 09:47:33

Soup sounds lovely nilby

I'm in full preparation mode at the moment and actually really looking forward to boot camp. Does that make me a bit wierd? grin

nilbyname Thu 05-Sep-13 10:14:50

biwi or bootcamp guru are you are known in my head, I have a question....have been looking on the spread sheet to see if sweet potatoes are allowed?

Ilisten2theradio Thu 05-Sep-13 11:22:26

Somebody advise me what I can have as a sauce that will go with pork steaks that isn't sweet. Yesterday I had it plain as I would normally have had something like applesauce or plum sauce. It was Yeuk! nuts and eggs and sesame fish and chocolate are no nos if I am cooking for all the family due to allergies.
Please help me overcome this horrible dinner for next time

nilbyname Thu 05-Sep-13 11:38:07

Salsa verde?

nilby I think sweet potatoes are even more carby than butternut squash.... sorry. You'll have to wait for BIWI for the facts tho

prettybird Thu 05-Sep-13 12:20:37

Did you fry your pork steaks in plenty of butter? That, to me, is a yummy simple meal.

You could add flavour with some fennel or add cream if you are wanting more of a sauce.

If you are looking for sweetness, mashed neeps (swede) with plenty of butter, nutmeg and salt & pepper is nice. Or mashed celeriac with cream. Both are suitably low carb.

Twit Thu 05-Sep-13 12:30:57

So the wii fit has been set up and I wish I hadn't done it now sad
11st exactly shock how exactly did it get that high? I am aiming for 9,3.

I have a meal plan ready for your perusal, it's not exciting and is repetitive but doable for me and my family. Everything I got I got from the recipe thread except for the belly pork and spinach
Shall I post it here or would another thread be better? I guess a meal plan thread could be of use?

I am eating fried ribs and courgette wedges (in butter) for my lunch and had a black farmer sausage and hard oiled egg for breakfast with a decaf coffee and cream, is decaf ok? And lots of wAter.

Ilisten2theradio Thu 05-Sep-13 12:36:31

I think it was that the whole meal was so dry. I was in a hurry and had just boiled and seasoned heavily the swede and had other steamed veg too. It was all just so tasteless and boring. - and no I had grilled the pork.
I had run out of cream, so couldn't make a creamy sauce - off to go to supermarket to get lunch and some cream.

The first recipe I came across for salsa verde has anchovies in it. DS is allergic to fish - so that wouldn't work for me but might for others. Thanks though.

Marking my place. I'm on a course this week so will have to catch up over the weekend

Marking my place. I'm on a course this week so will have to catch up on the over the weekend.

Shopping day is Sunday so will do a list smile

doradoo Thu 05-Sep-13 12:50:32

@Willie the kilo converter on the spreadsheet is wrong!! Makes me 6225lbs I'm sure I'm not that heavy

Ilisten you'll need to do rather less of that boiling, steaming and grilling! And rather more frying and roasting. The trick is to try to get fat INTO your meals. So as prettybird says, fry the pork steaks, mash the swede with butter, roast the veg or at least decorate them with butter afterwards. (douse your salads in oily dressing, add mayo... etc)

I had the crisis yesterday of running out of butter! I've had to fry my morning mushrooms and scrambled egg in vastly inferior "softbutter/veg oil" stuff we did have in the house. Really its not good enough!!

starrystarryknut Thu 05-Sep-13 13:25:49

Ilisten you can leave the anchovies out of salsa verde no problem. Not very authentic but still fine. You could also try something like a watercress pesto - delicious and very easy to make:

30g watercress
1-2 garlic cloves
40g grated parmesan
30g pine kernels
75ml olive oil.
Blitz in food processor. Keeps in the fridge for a few days.

The quantities are approximate, you don't need to get too hung up on the detail. The whole batch contains about 1g of carbs, which comes from the pine kernels.

prettybird Thu 05-Sep-13 13:46:06

No grilling in future. Fry in butter - it's soooo tasty and also means provided you don't overlook it the meat is lovely and moist.

I'll griddle bashed out turkey steaks (having smeared them in olive oil) but even they stay moist.

Once you have the courage to add butter and salt to things again, you'll be amazed how tasty things are.

I have a glut of runner beans at the moment (I know, not very Boot Camp) and I have been surprised by ds eating and enjoying them - the difference being that this year, after boiling them briefly, I am finishing them off with some butter.

HighJinx Thu 05-Sep-13 14:16:34

Wow, this thread is inspirational. So many storied of fabulous weight loss, lower cholesterol, better health. Truly fantastic grin

I have done paleo before and liked it but i have sort of slipped off the wagon a bit lately so am definitely in need of a bootcamp.

I wanted to know if dijon mustard is allowed?

TheDietStartsTomorrow Thu 05-Sep-13 14:23:20

Hi all, I'm a newbie. Just popping my head in. This sounds like the answer to my weight problems at the moment. If anyone can tell me what to read up and where to start I'd be very grateful. Read through the OP and the first page of posts but some of the other threads are very long and a bit of a maze....


TheDietStartsTomorrow Thu 05-Sep-13 14:26:04

And after two years of working butter and oil out of my diet (except olive oil) I'm really, really, UBER-NERVOUS about using it again...

captainmummy Thu 05-Sep-13 14:36:53

I had pork steaks yesterday too! How about mushrooms in butter? Add cream if you like.

Diet - have a look at the top of the thread, you'll see the spreadsheet, and the Rules etc are on there. Any questions/worries just ask! And our mantra is - FAT DOESN'T MAKE YOU FAT! SUGAR DOES!

HighJinx - mustard in low quantities should be ok - but it will have sugar in, so No to tablespoons of it!

One thing I'm learning already is never to assume that you will manage to find something suitably low carb when on the hoof (or in the bloody school canteen). Gotta be prepared.

BIWI Thu 05-Sep-13 18:59:05

Sorry, sorry, sorry - dashing in from work and straight out again!

Re sweet potato - the clue is in the name grin. Sorry, they are too carby for Bootcamp.

janmoomoo Thu 05-Sep-13 20:09:55

I have started a bit early too, but think I will need some support and motivation to keep going next week. I have been doing this WOE for ten days and havent felt hungry once, am not wanting to stuff danish pastries into my face craving carbs at all. Looking forward to Monday.

captainmummy Thu 05-Sep-13 20:30:10

Keep going Janmoomoo - it is a revelation to 'diet' and not feel hungry, isnt it? grin

bigkidsdidit Thu 05-Sep-13 20:33:55

I'm not starting till Monday but am doing my sainsburys online shop now. I did the first day of couch to 5k today too and am very excited about the journey ahead smile

googoogoggles Thu 05-Sep-13 21:18:36

Willie - Finally got round to name-changing (never like "maidof...) so I've taken old one of list and added this one instead. Still in pre-bootcamp state of prep here – no bread for a week but I did have a carby jacket spud this eve as still working and was easy to sort – and yes (deep sigh) was mighty good.

Negroni Thu 05-Sep-13 23:12:44

Hello, back from holidays and so many low carb threads in play. Am so looking forward to starting bootcamp - at the beginning this time - on Monday esp as holidays started well then sunk into ice cream, wine and other random carbs fest

Really feel have been treading water since last boot camp ended - gaining and losing same few pounds so really need to get losing again.

Dreading the first Monday weigh in though. Just trying to be good to minimise recent damage before then.

BIWI - hunted in vain for your rum in Spanish duty free but to no avail. But now realise there will be no booze for the next 2 weeks in any case shock shock

No worries thanks googoo

PMMummy Fri 06-Sep-13 07:03:34

So here you all are! To be fair, not been on for a few days but great to find new threads, new boot camp etc. I started 'properly' yesterday after a serious toast and chocolate filled school holidays.

ChippingInNeedsSleepAndCoffee Fri 06-Sep-13 07:51:54

Just catching up with the goss smile

BIWI Fri 06-Sep-13 07:52:58

holmessweetholmes - it is one of the hardest things about low carbing. The world is simply made for carbs. It's something that we have to plan for, which often means taking stuff to work or, if you're travelling, find good places where you can buy low carb foods. M&S Simply Food is the best place, in my experience. Amongst the plethora of salads packed full of pasta, noodles and couscous there are a couple which are relatively low in carbs. Add to that some prawns or some cooked, cold meat, or some cheese (they do 3 or 4 different types of cheese in individual portions), and you're set.

janmoomoo Fri 06-Sep-13 09:51:30

Yeah, you start to notice we are surrounded by carbs and sugar. Noticed this in the petrol station shop the other day. M&S do little snack pots of prawns with mayo, and chicken with satay sauce which are great on the go. Also their pork crackling (scratching) is a bit expensive but deelish (just don't look at them when you eat).

Ilisten2theradio Fri 06-Sep-13 09:57:02

Thanks all for the advice.
The boiled swede was down to time - I had v. thin slices and no time to roast - which I agree tastes much better, and no cream to mash them with.
You are all right, in retrospect I should have fried the pork steaks - but they were still quite fatty when I ate them - just the fat had crispened up a bit.
I had tonnes of seawead salt ( mix I picked up in Waitrose) on them which is super tasty. Sadly it was one of those disasters as the swede was actually OK, it was the rest of the meal.

StuntNun Fri 06-Sep-13 09:58:37

I take a bag of pork scratchings to the cinema blush and quite often have a Peperami in my handbag in case of 'emergencies'.

prettybird Fri 06-Sep-13 11:29:19

IListen - Did you not haven any butter? For future reference, I've found frying far quicker than grilling, if you are short of time. I do grill pork belly slices - with the top layer of fat uppermost, to try to get it to crisp up. Definitely takes longer though.

I also boil my (diced) swede before mashing it with plenty of butter. I've not tried it with cream yet - although I do mash my celeriac with cream.

ofcoursethisisanamechange Fri 06-Sep-13 13:46:07

hello all- newbie here- getting ready for Monday's start. I'm looking for breakfast suggestions- I have my breakfast at work. Can put some eggs in microwave to scramble but any other suggestions? will have some greek yoghurt and vanilla on hand as well. - thanks

Methe Fri 06-Sep-13 13:52:03

I'm going to be following from afar. I've been low carbing for the last 10 days and have lost 8lb and I have had some chocolate and wine on a couple of occasions and I have been eating fruit so I'm not sure I need do do the whole hog. It is stops working though, I'm in! Good luck everyone grin

captainmummy Fri 06-Sep-13 14:13:17

Ofcourse - breakfast is a toughie; lots of people want to know what to have. I personally have a black Rooibos tea with a spoon of coconut oil in - it fills me up til lunch (honestly!) but scrambled eggs is a good one. Or leftover dinner warmed up? Cold sausages or chicken. Rolled up ham/smoked salmon with cream cheese filling. Yogurt . Frittata or mini egg-and-bacon muffin things.
Well done Methe grin

Ilisten2theradio Fri 06-Sep-13 14:16:31

prettybird I've not tried just butter on swede, I have always done butter and cream or just cream, much like I would with potato.

I had the loveliest smoked salmon pate( from Sainsburys) with salad yesterday for lunch- a bit of an indulgence smile

Still, lovely sausages, swede chips and veggies last night - a huge improvement - and since DH was cooking - even better!

ofcourse you can pre-cook sausages and warm them in the microwave and there are some recipes on the recipe thread for "breakfast muffins which are a bit like a quiche without the pastry.
You can also warm frittatas again.

If you buy microwave steam bags, you can also cook chicken and fish ( maybe for lunch though!) in a microwave really quickly.

janmoomoo I found day 2 oddly the worst so far with cravings. At day 5 now and not feeling the urge for sweet stuff ( most unusual)

ofcoursethisisanamechange Fri 06-Sep-13 14:22:17

captain mummy- can you explain the coconut oil? I actually do have some- but what made you think of adding it to tea? and I love the ham with cream cheese filing idea....can anyone recommend specific sausages with low carbs? I thought they weren't on the bootcamp allowed list.....

starrystarryknut Fri 06-Sep-13 14:25:08

Ofcoursethisisanamechange I've come up with a recipe for American-style breakfast pancakes which come in at less than 1g of carbs per pancake, so are practically carb free. They're delicious and really quick and easy to make. If you make a batch you can freeze them and then zap to warm up at work and top with a splodge of butter.

These really work well for anyone who is used to having a sweet treat (biscuit, muffin etc) with their morning coffee.

Here's the recipe if you want to try it:

Starry's Low Carb American Breakfast Pancakes

80 ml fresh liquid egg white (I use Two Chicks, which you can get in Sainsburys, Tesco, and Waitrose)
60 ml full fat yoghurt or double cream
1 tsp Splenda
1 tsp ground cinnamon
small pinch of salt
50g ground almonds
¼ tsp baking powder
Unsalted butter for frying

Whisk the egg whites until it forms soft peaks.
Place all the dry ingredients in another bowl then add the yoghurt and stir well (you can use double cream instead of yoghurt if you like).
Fold the whisked egg whites into the almond and yoghurt mix, stirring lightly to combine.
Melt some butter in a non-stick frying pan and drop tablespoon-sized measures of the batter into the pan. Fry for three minutes on one side at a medium heat – do not be tempted to touch or move them during this time (otherwise they fall apart). Turn and cook the other side for another couple of minutes.

Makes 8

These are delicious served hot with a bit of butter and another sprinkle of cinnamon. Some alternatives could also be to add a tsp of vanilla essence to the mixture, or use ground cardamom instead of cinnamon. If you fancy having the pancakes with eggs or sausage, you might prefer to leave out the cinnamon.

Carb count: 1g per pancake.

starrystarryknut Fri 06-Sep-13 14:27:57

Disclaimer: the carb count is not official! I just worked it out by looking up the carbs in all the ingredients, dividing by quantity etc. I am not a nutritionist - or a chef! I just love cooking.

starrystarryknut Fri 06-Sep-13 14:28:52

I just love cooking

which is why I've ended up here on low carb bootcamp smile

Methe Fri 06-Sep-13 14:35:49

I just love eating grin

Your pancakes sound lovely. I will give them a whirl!

ofcoursethisisanamechange Fri 06-Sep-13 14:40:26

hurray for Starrystarry- those sound gorgeous..

goodasitgets Fri 06-Sep-13 14:47:01

I've posted this in the Paleo thread but thought it might add some inspiration?! On here
This is what no sugar and eating protein/fat/low carb did for me (so far, it's a continuing journey)

Methe Fri 06-Sep-13 14:48:52

Will done! How long did that transformation take?

goodasitgets Fri 06-Sep-13 15:07:33

7/8 months I think these photos are taken apart

sybilfaulty Fri 06-Sep-13 15:20:26

I was going to take a pic of my muffin top and track my progress over the bootcamp. It's a bit of a video nasty right now though. Goodasitgets, you look incredible. Well done. I am hoping for something similar.

BIWI Fri 06-Sep-13 15:28:02

Those sound gorgeous, starry - but do they have to use artificial sweetener? What are they like without it? Bearing in mind that we're trying to avoid artificial ingredients!

loopyloou Fri 06-Sep-13 15:45:25

I made a lovely chicken liver pâté yesterday and had it for lunch with salad, yum!

Recipe was from India and Neris's Idiot proof diet recipe book and was basically chicken livers fried in butter, then puréed with cream and sage and topped with melted butter. Lovely.

loopyloou Fri 06-Sep-13 15:52:15

Well done, asgood smile

Collywibbles Fri 06-Sep-13 15:53:05

Fab results good - you must be really chuffed!

starrystarryknut Fri 06-Sep-13 16:01:53

BIWI I'm very aware of avoid artificial ingredients and am really reluctant to put Splenda in anything - but it is only 1 tsp. It does need a tiny bit of sweetening I think, although the cinnamon is a natural sweetener in itself. You could try stevia, which is completely natural, but the ground stuff might turn your pancakes green. I haven't tried the new commercial stevia products like Truvia which have recently come on the market. I'll investigate them, experiment, and report back!

janmoomoo Fri 06-Sep-13 16:46:09

asgoodasitgets Thanks for posting those pics, you have done so well and it is really inspiring to see real results. I will think about you as I weigh myself in the morning. Plus I might get up the courage to take some before pics with the aim of doing what you have done with them.

janmoomoo Fri 06-Sep-13 16:50:33

With regard to the dry pork issues above, I find a big dollop of full fat philadelphia makes boring things lovely ! Philadelphia in a couple of celery sticks is also a good brekkie to eat at work.

ofcoursethisisanamechange Fri 06-Sep-13 17:23:59

what about salad dressings? specifically thinking french viniagrette... are they allowed?

captainmummy Fri 06-Sep-13 19:30:00

Ofcourse - it's better to make your own with olive oil and wine vinegar. Look at the label if you must use bought- we look for less than 3g/100g. Lots have sugar in.

And the coconut oil in Rooibos - I think I saw it on here once. The 'bulletproof' coffee uses it i think so i just adapted it. I only use a teaspoon and it is really filling, but I have to have it black and unsweetened.

prettybird Fri 06-Sep-13 19:44:16

Captainmummy - can't remember if I copied you or if I too adapted it from bullet proof coffee, but I also drink rooibos with a teaspoon of coconut oil. you barely notice the coconut oil - it just makes the tea feel "rounder" - and like it is doing your lips good! grin

I don't like to drink my earl grey/darjeeling blend tea without milk, but I am happy to drink rooibos without milk - so I thought I would try it with the coconut oil.

Rooibos is my secret weapon in keeping my water intake up when I am watered out, as it is caffeine free! smile

BIWI Fri 06-Sep-13 20:09:13

Vinaigrette dressing:

3-5 tablespoons of extra virgin olive oil (depending on your taste/how vinegary you like it)
1 tablespoon of red/white wine or cider vinegar
freshly ground black pepper

Put all ingredients in to a jar or a plastic container with a lid. Shake vigorously and serve.

You can add Dijon mustard or wholegrain mustard, or some finely chopped garlic or shallot, if you like.

Avoid pre-prepared ones as they inevitably use sugar.

Oh and avoid balsamic vinegar, as it is too sweet and very carby

loopyloou Fri 06-Sep-13 20:27:16

For salad dressing I pour some olive oil into a small container, squeeze some fresh lemon juice on top, add freshly ground black pepper and salt, put lid on tightly and shake well. Lovely!

Secondsop Fri 06-Sep-13 21:31:25

BIWI are we allowed shirataki noodles on bootcamp?

BIWI Fri 06-Sep-13 21:48:15

Very definitely, Secondsop! They are zero carbs and really useful. I think there a couple of recipes using them, on the recipe thread as well.

BIWI Sat 07-Sep-13 07:50:57

By the way, for all those of you who are still hoping to be able to carry on drinking Diet Coke/Pepsi (or any other drink using artificial sweeteners), you may like to have a read of this

BIWI Sat 07-Sep-13 07:57:43

caughtintheact sorry not to get to your question sooner.

There's a section on not losing weight on the carblife website which says:

^"Prescribed Medicines
There are a number of medicines that can interfere with weight loss, the worst offenders are the psychotropic drugs; phenothiazines, tranquillisers, anti-depressants, etc. The next are hormones such as oestrogen, prednisolone and other steroids. Many anti-arthritic drugs especially NSAIDS, diuretics and to a lesser degree other cardiovascular medications. You cannot stop these medications! Atkins suggests that you can gradually replace the drug with diet and suitable supplements. Do not stop medications without consulting your Doctor!!!"^

Ibuprofen (and aspirin) is a NSAID - non-steroidal anti-inflammatory drug.

I did a quick Google and found this thread, which is interesting:


Secondsop Sat 07-Sep-13 08:25:23

Thanks biwi! I have some shirataki knocking around in the fridge.

Purple2012 Sat 07-Sep-13 09:02:30

I have been grilling my chicken to have with salad and in frittatas. Should I be shallow frying it in butter or something? I haven't been hungry between meals yet and have only been hungry late at night a couple of times so I think I am eating enough fat and protein.

StuntNun Sat 07-Sep-13 09:10:19

It depends Purple, I brush chicken legs or thighs with melted butter, salt, pepper and paprika or dried herbs and either roast or grill them. If it's chicken breast then you really should to fry it as it's too low in fat. And always eat the skin!

BIWI Sat 07-Sep-13 09:11:39

What other fat are you eating, Purple? This diet should be a high fat one, not just an enough fat one!

BIWI Sat 07-Sep-13 09:12:09

You're eating a low fat protein to start with, Purple, so it could well be that you're not eating enough fat.

HighJinx Sat 07-Sep-13 09:25:01

I wanted to ask a quick question about fat on meat.

I live in Holland where pretty much all fat is trimmed off meat and chicken breasts/thighs are sold skinless. Is this lack of fat likely to be a problem?

Purple2012 Sat 07-Sep-13 09:37:36

I am eating cheese (not too much) and eggs. I will fry my chicken today. I have been finding it a little dry. Its weird getting used to eating meat and getting used to higher fat foods. I won't be able to eat the skin. Its been hard enough actually eating meat!

BIWI Sat 07-Sep-13 09:39:29

It might be HighJinx - so make sure you are buying fattier cuts of meat - chicken thighs rather than the breast, or a whole chicken to roast, skin on and lots of butter/oil on the skin when you roast it.


MrInga and I have been having a 'run up' before bootcamp. We have followed all the rules and I lost 6.5lb on the first week but have stalled with no weight lost this week. I feel a lot slimmer, especially my waist. DH isn't weighing but he looks like he has lost weight too.

I wonder due to the stalling this week if we are eating too much dairy? I am definitely drinking enough water, there are NO carb slip ups and we are eating green veg with our evening meal so I think it must be the dairy. I was thinking of doing ubercamp to see how it works for us, what do you think?

StuntNun Sat 07-Sep-13 11:08:48

MsInga it's normal for the weight to come off in stages especially as you can lose fat but gain water making you feel slimmer so even though you haven't lost weight you have lost fat iyswim. My typical pattern is to drop a pound, then go up half a pound, then down a bit, then back to my lowest weight, then stay the same for a day or two, then drop another pound. I think it's worth persevering for a bit longer before trying ubercamp. Also it's very common to not lose weight in weeks three and four but that doesn't necessarily mean you aren't losing fat.

Thanks Stuntnun that's reassuring. I have just reweighed myself and ask it to do body fat and water as well. Body fat has fallen from 36.7 to 34.8 and water has risen from 44.1 to 47.6 so that's good right?

HighJinx Sat 07-Sep-13 12:35:15

Thanks BIWI. I might go into the butchers and see if I can get order some fattier cuts.

They even cut all the fat off pork chops here which is the best bit IMO angry. Plenty of choice of cheese though.

prettybird Sat 07-Sep-13 13:35:09

Talk to your butcher and ask him to keep aside some pork belly pieces/slices. They tend to use them for sausages - but with notice will keep them to sell separately. smile

ImATotJeSuisUneTot Sat 07-Sep-13 14:38:35

Been to my local market this morning to stock up on meat and veg. Its huge, with loads of choice, and loads of bargains. Had a really nice morning. Is that a bit sad? grin

The meat counters there are amazing - 6 huge sirloin steaks for twenty quid, but you got loads of meat free when you bought them - gammon, chicken, lamb chops. So impressed.

None of the veg stalls had any mushrooms though - something to do with the weather they said. Had to go to Asda for them on the way back - kind of killed my organic earth mama buzz that!

Am excited for Monday - I lost 6.5lbs my first week,(started 2 weeks ago) but a 24hr hospital stay with DD2, where I ate nothing, seems to have stalled me this week.

Purple2012 Sat 07-Sep-13 14:39:10

My salads are very green (dont worry lots of fat and protein with them?) What can I use to make them more colourful and interesting? I can't eat tomatoes. Would peppers be ok?

ImATotJeSuisUneTot Sat 07-Sep-13 14:40:48

I ordered some ketostix too.

StuntNun Sat 07-Sep-13 14:42:59

Sounds good MsInga!

Purple green peppers are the lowest carbs. What about cucumber, radishes or celery?

StuntNun Sat 07-Sep-13 14:43:47

Or avocado?

Purple2012 Sat 07-Sep-13 14:46:27

I do have cucumber. But its just all so green. At the moment I am eating lots of salad and frittatas. There are other things I want to try but need to stock up on some stuff first so I have all the ingredients I need.

I can live without the pasta/bread etc. but it's the no fruit that bothers me. How can this possibly be healthy? I know it was said that all the vits & mins you need can come from veg but I find that v.unlikely...

StuntNun Sat 07-Sep-13 14:56:55

Twiglets I take a supplement as well just to be sure but you would be surprised at how much vitamins and minerals there are in vegetables.

prettybird Sat 07-Sep-13 15:00:18

After the first two weeks you can have some berries - so you can have fruit, just not too much.

Has anyone had success doing only Bootcamp Lite?

prettybird Sat 07-Sep-13 15:15:52

The principle is that you need the first two weeks of "strict" Boot Camp to help you break the carb addiction.

I suppose you could do it on Boot Camp Lite but it'll be harder in the long run.

After the 1st 2 weeks, most people who are still wanting to lose weight seem to follow Boot Camp most of the time and Boot Camp Lite at weekends/special occasions.

That's not to say you don't have planned cheats - but do so mindfully, savor what you are eating and then drink plenty of water and get back to this WoE.

If you have started off properly, it's amazing how often you can say to yourself that you don't really want "x carby thing". wink

caughtintheact Sat 07-Sep-13 15:26:24

thanks for answering my q BIWI, really interesting links. I don't know how you keep up with these threads!

BIWI Sat 07-Sep-13 15:31:53

PassTheTwiglets - it is absolutely true that vegetables and salad will provide you with the same nutrition as fruit. Honestly. But they don't have the same amount of sugar (generally) that fruit does. And that is why fruit is not encouraged when you're low carbing.

The idea behind Bootcamp, i.e. the first two weeks, is not just to get yo low carbing, it is also to break the hold that sugar and sweet things have over us, hence why fruit is not allowed during these two weeks. After these two weeks, you can introduce lower sugar fruits if you really want to.

You really do need to embrace this WOE (way of eating) if it is to work for you.

But please, please, please - read some of the resources on the spreadsheet (look at the tabs across the bottom) so that you can understand where we're coming from and why Bootcamp is constructed the way that it is.

There is method in my madness grin

BIWI Sat 07-Sep-13 15:32:40

caughtintheact - neither do I!

Purple2012 Sat 07-Sep-13 15:56:12

I intend to boot camp most of the time with the odd planned treat. Although it may be the first time I have carby food it will make me feel like crap so won't want to do it again. I feel so much better now, less bloated, less hungry, lighter that I can imagine that if I did eat high carb stuff it would take all that good feeling away. If I do introduce more carbs it will be good carbs. I do miss crusty white bread though. But if I really want it one day I will have it. Not craving it yet though.

pixiegumboot Sat 07-Sep-13 17:23:49

Thanks for all the info - so tea (black) is OK to make up some of your water allowance for the day?

nilbyname Sat 07-Sep-13 17:48:03

I had the most delicious salad...

Fried off some slices of chorizo and when they were done, i put on a small cube of feta, stuck a lid on it, let it go all soft and melty.

Then had a bag of mixed leaves, some red onion slivers, cucumber, olives and then a basic french vinegarette with some added chilli flakes, throw all together and top with the chorizo and feta, delish!!

loopyloou Sat 07-Sep-13 20:09:25

Nilby, that sounds lovely smile

HavantGuard Sat 07-Sep-13 21:19:02

You'll be surprised. Eating this way you get your 5 a day from vegetables. Probably more like 7 a day for me! A morning frittata with spinach and mushrooms in it, a lunchtime salad with mixed green leaves and cucumber, broccoli and cauliflower as vegetables with dinner. I think we've come to see eating fruit as healthy full stop but sugar is sugar. Yes, it comes with fibre and vitamins, but it's still sugar.

When I reintroduce some fruit it's going to be mainly berries up to twice a week, not the two portions a day I was on. I'm never going back to having juices and smoothies.

Cocoaone Sun 08-Sep-13 08:58:46

Eating cherries for breakfast as they need to be gone by tomorrow.

So glad the season is changing and it'll just be boring apples and pears in the shops. They aren't as tempting!

Can I ask why you can't cook with olive oil instead of butter (both are carb-free, aren't they)

Also, sure I'm being thick here but where is the allowed veg list? On the spreadsheet I can see aloowed foods (but no veg listed) or veg carb counter - doesn't say whether these are allowed or not, just lists the carbs. TIA!

catinboots Sun 08-Sep-13 09:06:30

Can I come back please?

Are we starting tomorrow?

Ruprekt Sun 08-Sep-13 09:34:18

yep.....bootcamp starts tomorrow

ZingWantsCake Sun 08-Sep-13 10:18:22

morning all.

I started drinking more water 2 weeks ago and just by increasing water intake I've already lost 4lbs!
(yes, there's a threadsmile)

but I think it would be interesting to start a new way of eating too - so as one of you suggested I will increase the protein intake instead of cutting all carbs out and see what happens.
so my personal challenge is to eat either one meal/day totally carb-free or very low carb meals twice a day.
I think I can manage that.

so today for breakfast I fried some mushrooms, bacon, chopped up celery and spring onions, then added a bit of cream at the end.
I ate it with a salad of lambs lettuce, rocket, tomatoes* and drizzled a bit of ranch sauce* and some sunflower seeds* on top.

is that a reasonable low carb meal?

(*I'm guessing these are no good for bootcamp, sorry everyone)

pixiegumboot Sun 08-Sep-13 10:22:50

anyone re tea being part of water allowance?

BIWI Sun 08-Sep-13 10:34:01

pixie - I don't have a problem with that, but make sure that you are drinking a decent amount of water and not too much tea. Tea does contain caffeine, and there is some suggestion that caffeine can cause an insulin response (people disagree on this), so it's wise to restrict it a little bit.

Welcome Zing! Good luck with it.

PasstheTwiglets - when you heat olive oil it changes its character and makes it less healthy. Will find a link for you. Will also post the link of allowed veg and will check the spreadsheet.

BIWI Sun 08-Sep-13 10:42:19

heating olive oil

If you Google this, you will find that this, too, is often disputed (especially by those who make/sell olive oil, strangely enough ...)

I still cook with olive oil, although I try to use coconut oil more often these days. Initially, coconut oil was sold in Sainsbury's, where I shop, as a specialist/exclusive oil, and it is hugely expensive, so I only used it occasionally. Now, though, they sell the KTC brand in the Asian section, and this is much cheaper, so I use it more often.

BIWI Sun 08-Sep-13 10:46:05

Here is a list of raw veg and their carb counts per 100g (apologies for the lack of formatting, but MN doesn't copy this!).

You should be focussing on veg that is 3g per 100g or less - although obviously there will be times when you want to use other veg. Just be aware of how carby they are. And some veg may appear to be not too bad - e.g. onions, at 7.9g carbs - but as they are quite dense, it can be easy to use a lot of them, and therefore eat a lot of carbs.

Veg (raw)Carbs per 100g
Asparagus (raw, boiled or canned)1.4
Avocado flesh1.9
Runner beans2.3
Bean sprouts2.5
Green pepper2.6
Baby sweetcorn2.7
Brussels sprouts3.5
French beans4.7
Yellow pepper5.3
Orange or red pepper6.4
Ginger (peeled)7.2
Butternut squash7.5
Peas (frozen)9.7
Broad beans11.7
Garlic 16.3
Sweetcorn (canned)26.6

HighJinx Sun 08-Sep-13 11:53:14

I decided to start bootcamp a little bit early so yesterday I had

Breakfast: Bacon and egg
Lunch: Home made burgers with salad & low carb mayonnaise
Dinner: Aubergines stuffed with lambs mince topped with grated cheese.

Everything tasted amazing. This morning I had lost 2 1/2 pounds shock

BIWI I think I love you - this is the best diet ever.

BIWI Sun 08-Sep-13 12:00:10


bigkidsdidit Sun 08-Sep-13 12:13:35

My sainsburys shop is coming. Salad, Brie, goats cheese, eggs, lamb chops, mince, chicken thighs, salmon. I'm so excited about this week's eating!

pixiegumboot Sun 08-Sep-13 13:45:16

thanks biwi, I tend to drink decaf tea so perhaps will be OK?

Thanks so much for the veg info BIWI, that's fabulous.

Re. he olive oil, so it seems to be ok if used under smoke-pouinty. Has anyone looked at rapeseed oil? I seem to recall that this was considered a healthier oil than olive oil for cooking with... (I just can't get my head around butter being better than olive oil!)

Purple2012 Sun 08-Sep-13 14:03:07

I usually weigh myself on a Wednesday but will have to do it early for this so will only have 5 days since the l weighed last time. Hoping I still get a decent loss.

BIWI Sun 08-Sep-13 14:13:48

Butter is far better than olive oil - and tastes so lovely! Rapeseed oil is not a good one, from memory - but will see what I can find about it.

BIWI Sun 08-Sep-13 14:14:17

I'm assuming by preparing you don't mean eating all the carbs in the house? Which is what I am doing. blush

But I feel huge and bloated. I am actually looking forward to getting back to bootcamp. About to plan menu for next week so I can do a shop tomorrow.

Quick question - DH did Sainsburys this week and I asked him to get the full fat Greek yoghurt but he got Greek style natural yoghurt. I assume its a no-no for bootcamp?

Last of the wine tonight. That is my big weakness. The last few weeks have been so stressful that I have been drinking much more than normal as a coping mechanism which isn't great. As a result I am not sleeping well either. Looking forward to sleeping properly and waking up full of energy.

BIWI Sun 08-Sep-13 17:41:03

It depends what the carb count is, Buda.

Sorry life isn't helping you out at the moment. Wine is also my downfall blush (Hah - I actually fumbled over my keyboard and typed [lush] to start with!!!)

toomuchicecream Sun 08-Sep-13 17:55:09

Bugger - didn't get to Sainsbury's with my shopping list before it shut (went for a walk with a friend instead smile ) so I'll have to improvise tomorrow and go to the supermarket on the way home from work. When I'll be starving.... Think I'll need to leave egg mayo in the car all day so I can fall on it when I leave work so I don't hit the shop hungry!

StuntNun Sun 08-Sep-13 18:41:17

Check the carb count Buda, it may be fine.

Purple2012 Sun 08-Sep-13 18:46:39

Im on day 9 and really struggling today for the first time.

I am craving white crusty bread and butter. Will the cravings go? I am weighing in tomorrow 5 days after the last time and really worried about that.

Purple the crusty white bread isn't going anywhere - you can have it another time, leave it for now.

It won't make you feel good physically or mentally.

What are you worried about wrt weighing in?

kukeslala Sun 08-Sep-13 19:23:06

Anyone else feeling shy to type in their weight...

Cocoaone Sun 08-Sep-13 19:28:51

I'm dreading getting on the scales tomorrow. I know roughly what I weigh, but I think it will be a few pounds heavier than I'm guessing....

Do we just go onto google docs and put the start weight in there, or do we have to put it here too?

ImATotJeSuisUneTot Sun 08-Sep-13 19:32:37

Purple - I had that feeling, butter-dripping toast was mine.

MrsH suggested I distract myself and think about how i'd feel tomorrow if I gave in.

It worked for me - I broke through and haven't craved since.

Purple2012 Sun 08-Sep-13 19:46:32

I am worried I won't have lost any weight. I haven't given in and stuck to the right foods. Im drinking a lot more water.

I think also because I have pretty much eaten the same thing every day I am getting fed up. I just haven't had time to go right through the recipe books and get all the ingredients I need. I am just so busy all the time, usually doing stuff for other people. I just want a bit of me time to sort myself out.

BIWI Sun 08-Sep-13 19:46:33

Cocoaoone and kukeslala - just put your weight on the spreadsheet - no need to confess it here! And if you're really shy about it, index it - your starting weight is 100, and you drop one for every pound that you lose.

kukeslala Sun 08-Sep-13 19:48:58

Just had a quick look at the summer one, and looks like you just add to spread sheet.

kukeslala Sun 08-Sep-13 19:54:01

Only you can put yourself first! Im terrible at that and am forever putting someone else and their needs before mine, but trying to give myself a bit of time (and not feeling bad about it)!
Could you do a few mins each day and plan for the next day to start with?

Im just going to suck it up! Thanks for the alternative though, that is a great idea.

Purple2012 Sun 08-Sep-13 20:14:28

I do plan. I usually prepare the next days lunch the night before. If im a late shift I do it on the day. I am just a bit fed up I think. I have spent so long with food being such a big deal! I used to count calories and fat. Now its carbs. My next couple of days off are manic again but going to try to find time to get to the shops and sort out kitchen cupboards so I have everything to hand. Will go through the recipe books and mark out everything I like the look of and do a list.

I will be ok in a couple of days. Just a bit tired, teasy and suffering a bit of back pain. Off to bed soon.

loopyloou Sun 08-Sep-13 20:29:49

Purple, I don't count carbs or anything, I don't think you need to. At first I pinned up a list of allowed veg (under 5g carbs) so I knew what I could eat and that was it. I think as long as you remember the general rules of no wheat, no oats, no sugar, no potatoes or rice, you will lose weight smile Don't stress about it though. (Sorry BIWI if I'm simplifying this too much.)

Maybe you could try one new recipe a week, so it doesn't feel like a huge task? I do my (vague) meal planning/shopping list whilst I'm having breakfast, as I have to sit down at the table anyway, I might as well have a recipe book and pen and paper in front of me.

Lavenderhoney Sun 08-Sep-13 20:48:07

Lowering the tone somewhatsmile but I am having the last glass bottle of wine before kickoff tomorrowsmile

I can feel the breeze from BIWI twirling her big stick in anticipation...

Good luck, fellow losers!smile

Negroni Sun 08-Sep-13 21:13:58

cocoa and kuke obviously don't put your weight down on the sheet if you don't want to but from previous bootcamp I never really looked at anyone else's weight on the sheet. It just helped me personally as i did not want to have to put in a higher number the following week, so having it in black and white was a real incentive. Also am just not used to knowing what weights in pounds mean - have previously only worked in stones and pounds not pounds only, so for example 175 or 220 or any other number don't mean anything to me.

Also only notice other people's weight when they announce what they have lost in an actual post and I usually find that very encouraging. This is a very supportive thread and I really enjoyed being on the last one!

Purple Don't stress too much about recipes, just think up some simple things you can make as low carb meals and plan to eat for first few days e.g. Chicken drumsticks plus dressed salad; eggs- scrambled, fried, boiled with added butter, plus a slice of bacon; tuna and mayo with lettuce leaves, lamb chops and brocolli; some fried courgette and aubergine with some grated cheese; fried pork steak plus spinach with butter. Snacks: celery and cream cheese, some full fat yoghurt with low carb count, chicken drumstick, a boiled egg etc!

prettybird Sun 08-Sep-13 21:25:57

I've just been delighted to find out that runner beans are only 2.3g carbs per 100g even though they are a legume - especially as I have a glut of them in the garden. smile

Lightly boiled and finished off with some butter. Lovely. grin

Cocoaone Sun 08-Sep-13 21:32:46

Thanks everyone - I'm not fussed about putting my weight on the sheet, was just checking about whether it was required here too.

Negroni - I'm the same - it's good to have some accountability!

Have just prepped enough boiled eggs, fried mushrooms, and Cajun chicken salad to last me three days, plus lamb chops ready for dinner. Let's do this!!

aftermay Sun 08-Sep-13 21:50:55

I started 10 days ago but not very consistently. Tomorrow's the day. Strength everyone!

BIWI Sun 08-Sep-13 22:12:30

Purple2012 - the whole idea of Bootcamp is that you don't have to count anything! Honestly! It will make it so much easier for you. You can relax, stop stressing about it and just enjoy your food.

prettybird Sun 08-Sep-13 22:20:37

There are lots of lovely ideas on the Low Carb/Boot Camp recipe thread.

You can also get inspiration from what people post about their daily menus (not a compulsory part of Boot Camp but some people find it helps keep them on the straight and narrow).

It also helps to stop thinking in the old clichés of what you should have for breakfast, lunch or dinner. For example, leftovers are fine for breakfast.

encyclogirl Sun 08-Sep-13 22:46:01

So excited to get this started finally! I started early and low carbed all week, but kind of blew it today. I really need to get some structure around my eating once and for frigging all!

BIWI Sun 08-Sep-13 23:19:01

Sorry, can I check about the veg? Am I right in thinking that you can eat any veg from the 'veg carb counter' list, even if it is above3g but that you should try to stick to 3G or below?

Maryz Sun 08-Sep-13 23:26:58

Thanks BIWI, I'm placemarking on all these threads with the intention of giving it a go.

BIWI Mon 09-Sep-13 00:06:41

PassTheTwiglets - stick to those that are 3g of carbs per 100g as much as you can. You can have other veg, but be mindful of how many carbs they have. If in doubt - weigh them. I know that I always say that Bootcamp isn't about weighing/counting, but if you're going 'off piste' it's wise to know what you're doing!

I don't drink hot drinks so is there anything I can drink other than water? <begs> I am going to really struggle without my diet fizzy drinks (though I know they're not healthy, of course).

Purple2012 Mon 09-Sep-13 06:12:42

Just weighed myself. I haven't lost anything this week and im gutted. I have stayed the same so at least it hasn't gone up. It is only 5 days since I last weighed in but I have been really strict about carbs so a bit disappointed.

Chubfuddler Mon 09-Sep-13 06:16:37

Right that's it. I know you've already started, I will just lurk and post when I catch up. I am IN. it's 15 weeks to Christmas Day and I want to lose 20 lbs by then in order to weigh, well, the least I will have done since I was a teenager.

I am doing this shit. No more excuses.

Chubfuddler Mon 09-Sep-13 06:32:28

<prepares sauté mushrooms and scrambled eggs>

Purple list your meals and we'll see if there is anything we can suggest to help. For me not enough water slows me, too much diary stalls me, eating late at night slows me down or not eating enough fat!

Purple2012 Mon 09-Sep-13 06:43:57

A typical day is

Bf greek yoghurt and nuts- around 50g.
Lunch chicken and cheese frittata (half of one) and a couple of cheese sticks
Tea salad, lots of lettuce, , spinach, cucumber, spring onions and chicken or frittata.

Drinking as much water as possible. Still having diet coke but mainly water.

I should be changing breakfast when I get all the ingredients for flax muffins. I eat nuts for breakfast as I am just starting to eat meat so not eating a huge amount yet. Will be hopefully having flax muffins for breakfast soon.

Hoping its just a blip and it I be better next week.

Purple2012 Mon 09-Sep-13 06:44:34

Oh, and I don't eat late at night.

Purple2012 Mon 09-Sep-13 06:47:31

And I keep below 100g of cheese

StuntNun Mon 09-Sep-13 07:05:24

Do you feel slimmer Purple? You may have lost fat without losing weight iykwim. Alternatively you could be eating too little fat.

bigkidsdidit Mon 09-Sep-13 07:12:49

Bloody hell weighing myself was horrifying shock I really overdid it this pregnancy!

prettybird Mon 09-Sep-13 07:58:18

Purple : we had already expressed concern that you weren't eating enough fat. It seems counter-intuitive, but lack of fat could also cause a stall.

BIWI Mon 09-Sep-13 08:08:34

I agree, Purple - it looks like you're not eating enough, and certainly not enough fat. Are you using an oily dressing on your salad, for example? Chicken is a relatively lean meat, so you need to make sure that you are getting fat from other sources.

And yes, you do have to give up the diet drinks! have a read of this

As you say yourself, it is only 5 days since you last weighed. You won't lose weight every day - it simply doesn't happen like that.

Purple2012 Mon 09-Sep-13 08:14:57

I don't have dressing on salad. I really need to find time to go through everything and work out what to eat. I am trying really hard with the diet drinks. Hopefully in a few weeks I will have cut them out completely. Must try to have more fat! Thanks guys.

BIWI Mon 09-Sep-13 08:22:04

You must have more fat, Purple - no trying about it! Low carb diets are supposed to be based around fat first, then protein and only then carbs.

What you have been doing, in effect, is following a low calorie diet. And calorie deprivation, ultimately, doesn't work. It will help you lose weight, but you will lose muscle as well as fat, and it slows down your metabolism at a rate that is disproportionate to the calorie deprivation. When you then return to higher calorie eating, your metabolism will be less effective at burning those calories, so the risk is that you not only return to your original weight but that you gain weight.

So you need to:

- eat more
- eat more carbs than you are doing now - your veg choices are very low in carbs, and you're not eating much veg anyway
- add more fat - definitely an oily dressing and/or mayonnaise on your salads, and butter on your veg. Fry your chicken (I bet you're grilling it, aren't you?!) and think about adding a creamy sauce

captainmummy Mon 09-Sep-13 08:26:10

Purple - have you tried drinking fizzy water rather than artificially sweetened diet drinks? And yes, eat fat! Mayo, oily dressing, fry the chickn in butter, full-fat yoghurt. You need to get your body adapted to burning FAT rather than carbs , and you need lots of water to be able to do this efficiently.
Also - i think you are about a week or more ahead of us - BIWI cautions about a 'stall' in week 3/4, when you will not lose so much so fast, you need to be aware of this - and that it will pass.

Purple2012 Mon 09-Sep-13 08:27:15

I did grill the the chicken but have just started frying it. Is pork a good meat to have? I will try that if it is.

I like the thought of mayo on salad. I was thinking of frying chicken in butter tonight and then making a sauce with cream cheese.

Purple2012 Mon 09-Sep-13 08:28:51

Ive just started drinking fizzy water. Its an acquired taste! This week I will add more fat and see what the scales say next Monday.

prettybird Mon 09-Sep-13 08:29:31

Purple - you are the only person I've come across on these threads who has complained about food being too dry on this Way of Eating. Normally, with the all the frying in butter, the creamy sauces, and oily dressings, it's a moist diet.

captainmummy Mon 09-Sep-13 08:34:14

It's a complete head-turner, Purple. After decades of weight-control by low-fat, high carb foods, I was continuing to get heavier and heavier. When I found this thread, I could not beleive that the advice was to eat FAT! But it works, and when you understand the science behind it, i think the government advice about fruit and veg, high-fibre this and low-fat that is almost criminal. Low-fat is full of artificial sweeteners, fillers, thickeners, colourings, emulsifiers - how in Hell can that lot be 'better' for you than a natural full-fat yoghurt, or a porkchop with crispy fat?

Yes pork is fine - I know you will struggle with pork-belly, so would recommend a chop, fried in butter, or sliced up with a creamy sauce a la stroganov!

BIWI Mon 09-Sep-13 08:49:22

Pork is a lovely meat, and very good for low carbing because it tends to be fattier. And a cream cheese sauce sounds fab!

Re the fizzy water, it's what I drink all the time when I'm not drinking gin and I find it much more thirst-quenching, as well as more interesting, than still water. Try adding a slice of lime or lemon to it, or even a slice of cucumber, for a little bit more flavour, if the lack of flavour compared with a diet drink is an issue

Purple2012 Mon 09-Sep-13 08:59:53

prettybird I have just gone back to eating meat after 25 years so I am of course experimenting and trying to find foods that I would not normally eat. Its not easy and I think I have done really well to even start eating meat so it is going to take time to adjust and get used to it. It is a major lifestyle change and if it was that easy everyone would find it easy to lose weight. I am determined to stick to this and hopefully get some good advice on here. I obviously don't know everything I should do as its all new to me.

Its not the lack of flavour I find strange with fizzy water, its the fizz but I well persevere and I will get used to it.

BIWI Mon 09-Sep-13 09:20:35

This WOE is hard for anyone new to it, Purple, because it runs so counter to everything we have been told over the last 30 or so years. So switching from being a vegetarian as well must make this even harder for you. So anything you're not sure about, just ask.

I think it's funny that it's the fizz that you find strange, given that you normally drink fizzy diet drinks grin

prettybird Mon 09-Sep-13 09:30:39

I wasn't having a go Purple - just obviously clumsily trying to reassure you that once you've got used to it, you'll find it the opposite of dry.

I know you don't want to eat too many eggs, but as a treat, I enjoy really creamy scrambled eggs. Cook the beaten egg really slowly in melted butter, stirring only very occasionally and then just before it is done, stir in some cream.

When I lived in France, they often used to serve as crudités radish with sweet butter and sea salt on the side. You would smear a sliver of butter on the radish and dip it in salt That might be one way of getting used to butter.

StuntNun Mon 09-Sep-13 09:39:40

Maybe you could give coconut oil a try Purple, it might suit your palate better than butter, especially as you get used to eating meat again. Do you think you could eat a burger? The texture might be more appealing to you. I sometimes have a lamb or pork burger with dressed salad for lunch. My DH uses ready made salad dressings, just find the one with the lowest carb count. Or mix five spoons of extra virgin olive oil (Lidl have it cheap) with one spoon of wine/cider vinegar in a jar. Leave the jar in the fridge and give it a good shake before use. You can add mustard, salt and pepper if you like.

ZingWantsCake Mon 09-Sep-13 10:02:26

is mayonnaise ok to eat? 1.5g carbs/100g

yes, very definitely ok zing

pindorasbox Mon 09-Sep-13 14:07:07

Message withdrawn at poster's request.

NigellasGuest Mon 09-Sep-13 14:09:03

Breakfast: left over pork belly strips from last night's dinner

Lunch: boiled eggs with mayo

Dinner will be lemon sole baked in butter with braised fennel and mashed celeriac.

I think I will need some hand holding this evening when my usual craving for alcohol and chocolate kicks in.....

BIWI Mon 09-Sep-13 14:16:14

pindorasbox - there's a link in my OP!

pindorasbox Mon 09-Sep-13 14:24:36

Message withdrawn at poster's request.

BIWI Mon 09-Sep-13 14:25:27


It's alright. It was a very long OP!

HavantGuard Mon 09-Sep-13 14:43:33

BIWI Guru, how is Tamari sauce on the carb front? The first google result brings up 9g for 100g, but as you'd be using 2 tablespoons at most (30ml) it's probably around 3g for four servings. Is that ok?

BIWI Mon 09-Sep-13 15:38:52

That would be fine, Havant

HavantGuard Mon 09-Sep-13 15:47:15

Thank you! It's for the Nigel Slater pork belly recipe.

Also, is it ok to eat butter on its own? I know it sounds manky but I've never eaten the fat off meat and I've been taking a tablespoon of olive oil or a teaspoon of butter once a day to supplement my fat intake. Am I dieting or just odd?

captainmummy Mon 09-Sep-13 15:52:33

havant - I sometimes do that blush - or get coconut oil and drop a teaspoon in my rooibos black tea - or sliced cold cold butter on cheese or radishes

HavantGuard Mon 09-Sep-13 15:55:47

Thank you. I feel better now grin

Purple2012 Mon 09-Sep-13 16:48:34

Sorry prettybird . I didn't mean to be so defensive!
Where do you get coconut oil biwi? Is it easy to find in supermarkets?

Going to get some cream on way home to add to cream cheese sauce. Hopefully I will like that. Will do a bit of salad with it.

prettybird Mon 09-Sep-13 17:31:08

Coconut oil is easy to find in the supermarket at least my big Sainsubry's : £6.50 for 500ml extra virgin olive coconut oil in amongst all the oils or £2.55 for 500ml HTC Pure Coconut Oil (which I've checked and is produced healthily and is non-hydrogenated) found in the Ethnic/World Aisle. It's a jar rather than a bottle and the oil is solid at normal temperatures (but above about 23C is liquid so it was liquid for most of the summer )

It's £2.49 in my local Asian shop (also HTC Pure)

I'm told it is also good for topical application on skin and hair - but haven't tried it yet myself! grin

Purple2012 Mon 09-Sep-13 17:59:41

Just fried chicken in butter. Now its in a cream and cream cheese sauce. Will have it with salad. I hope that it tastes ok!

Also have some flax muffins in the oven. Hoping they will be ok for breakfast.

Also bought some pork loin chops for tomorrow. Its a big deal for me to even consider eating pork. What's thebest wway to cook them? I won't be able to eat the fat on it though - that's a step too far.

purple your are doing really well and going in the right direction - it must be hard starting to eat meat when you are not used to it. Do you eat fish? Prawns etc? I am just thinking you could have your frittata for breakfast some day and maybe have prawn and avocado salad or salmon salad for lunch? Re the pork we tend to grill it and then eat with plentybf mayo, DH has also fried then added a cream and mushroom sauce, that was nice too. Btw bitter spread on cucumber is nice too!!!

Purple2012 Mon 09-Sep-13 18:19:57

Thanks mrsherculepoirot it is a struggle. 25 years is a long time to not eat meat. I don't eat fish. I never liked it. With meat it was never the taste just the thought of what it was. I will grill the pork chops tomorrow and have it with salad and mayo. Bit nervous about eating pork!

Give it a go and see - you never know! If you don't like it you can try something else instead oba different cut a different time! Keep asking us though and we'll try to help as best we can!!!

Purple2012 Mon 09-Sep-13 19:03:32

Just made flaxseed muffins. 3.1g carbs each. They are ok. Bit of a strange texture. I haven't been eating enough and struggle to eat much for tea as I feel a lot fuller now I am eating more fat and protein. So what do you think of this as a typical days menu
Bfast - greek yoghurt with a few nuts and flaxseed muffin
Lunch - half a chicken and cheese frittata and a couple of sticks of cheese.
Tea- chicken salad, cream cheese chicken or whatever meals I can come up with in my books. If I have salasd I will have mayo/dressing.

So does that look ok?

captainmummy Mon 09-Sep-13 19:29:58

Carefull with flaxseed purple - I find too much goes right through me (TMI...) grin

Purple2012 Mon 09-Sep-13 19:31:54

Thanks captainmummy. I will bear that in mind. Probably will counteract the binding effect of all the eggs!!! Do you think that days menu looks ok? Will i be eating enough?

Purple if I was you, I would ditch the cheese sticks at lunch and replace with cucumber, celery sticks or some salad. For tea whatever meat you are having like you say I'd add in some vegetables eg one of broccoli, green beans, cabbage, asparagus... (smothered in butter you understand!). That is me though...

Purple2012 Mon 09-Sep-13 19:40:04

Ok, thanks. I will do that. I used to take cucumber sticks when i was calorie counting so am used to that.

Purple2012 Mon 09-Sep-13 19:54:02

Could I take philadelphia to dip the cucumber in?

Yes if you wanted - full fat of course!

Purple2012 Mon 09-Sep-13 20:23:33

Of course! I must get into the habit of buying full fat stuff.

prettybird Mon 09-Sep-13 21:38:07

Purple - hope you enjoyed your chicken smile. I tend to fry my pork steaks in butter as I like the flavour butter gives them, but I'll grill or roast pork belly slices/pieces.

prettybird Mon 09-Sep-13 21:41:41

Re "binding" effects blush, people often complain about "going" less on this WoE. As long as you drink plenty of water, this usually resolves itself - part of it bring that you actually need to go less frequently as your body is using what you eat more efficiently.

encyclogirl Mon 09-Sep-13 22:15:51

Day one done.

Already feel less bloated, is that in my mind?

captainmummy Tue 10-Sep-13 08:23:37

well done encyclo- the bloating is probably from wheat, I get that too if I eat wheat -and now you are not, it will reduce. Plus of course your fat stores/water are going too!

suzan40 Mon 18-Nov-13 13:57:08

so hello everyone. sounds good how do i start?/

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