Ongoing Low Carb Bootcamp Chat Thread

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BIWI Mon 08-Jul-13 08:52:45

Well done everyone who completed the Summer Bootcamp!

here is the Spreadsheet of Fabulousness if you want to continue adding to it

Obviously there are many of us who want to continue, either to lose more weight or just for general support to help with this WOE, so here is a brand new, shiny chat thread.

As for me, having slipped a lot a little when I was away, I'm firmly back on the wagon today.

And can I remind you, that if you haven't completed the survey we would be very grateful for your views/thoughts on how we can improve Bootcamp.

BerylStreep Mon 08-Jul-13 09:07:29

Not a great weigh in this morning. I stayed with friends at the weekend, and did relatively well, but had a bit of cake and ice-cream. Then I gave in to a burger king burger on the way home. Honestly, I only have to sniff a carb and it shows on the scales for me.

BIWI and Willie, thanks so much for running bootcamp. I intend to stick with it.

Hope you had a lovely holiday biwi!
I had a good weekend apart from a couple of things - a large diet coke and a Whopper without the bun at 1am in Euston station on saturday night! We didn't go the the lobster place to eat because there was a 2 hour queue! So we went to BBQ place instead, I thought I would be safe ordering 'burnt ends' (the crunchy end bits of BBQed brisket) and coleslaw but the meat was covered in BBQ sauce! I ate it but tried to scrape some of the sauce off, I also had one single and two double rum and sodas. So hopefully I will get away with it. Worryingly the BBQ sauce gave me a lot of anxiety, I just felt really helpless that everything has sugar in it and just a bit of sugar could set me back a week - made worse by next weekend being a long planned for cheat. I need to have a word with myself I think hmm Someone hand me a grip! grin

CrabbyBigBottom Mon 08-Jul-13 09:48:47

<<hands Bullet a bunch of kirbys>> grin I know exactly what you mean, there is hidden sugar in fucking everything, and it gives me the rage. Do you know there's added sugar in Helmans mayonnaise? Mayonnaise FFS! angry We just have to plug on with it and plan ahead, learn to ask the right questions in restaurants etc, and hope the the tide is turning on this as more people realise that adding sugar to savoury food is unnecessary. The problem is I think that mass tastes are getting sweeter and sweeter.

BIWI and Willie thank you so much for this bootcamp, it's been fantastic. I'm famously crap at sticking to things so for me to have done this for 9 weeks (I joined 7th May) is amazing for me. I really feel that this is a WOE which suits me and that I'll stick to for the most part (a bit more loosely when I've lost the other stone I need to.

My official weigh-in is tomorrow morning, as I started this on a Tuesday, but weighed this morning and have lost another lb over the weekend despite a slice of almond cake, 2 glasses prosecco and a vat of red and several limoncellos!! shock shock I did drink vast amounts of water all over the weekend and I do think that makes a difference to the weight loss. Food was all perfect apart from the birthday cake.

So that makes 4lbs off last week so far, wonder if I can drop another by tomorrow. Seems doubtful tbh as DP's birthday today so having a treat meal and more wine tonight. Still, I'm very very happy with that. This WOE really works!

smile smile smile

couch25cakes Mon 08-Jul-13 10:19:18

I did my weigh in this morning and I'm down 5lbs -that's the 4 I put on last weekend and another one.
I've definitely slipped and need to get stricter, it's very easy in the week and very hard at weekends. But I'll keep on plodding along. This week shouldn't have many obstacles, I've planened our meals. DH is also away on Saturday and DD and I are out to a party so I'll drive and should then be able to stick 100% for the week. Fingers crossed, I feel like I've been around this weight for a good few weeks and really want to see the numbers change!

Haha thanks Crabby and well done! 4lb!
Couch well done you!

letsseeificandothis Mon 08-Jul-13 10:40:49

BIWI that is NOT fair. So am I - exactly (53 - I just checked). So that's a challenge?!

StuntNun Mon 08-Jul-13 10:50:19

I think I'm about 12 lb down over my first three weeks so very very happy with that. The support on these threads has been fantastic, especially the threat of a big stick one-on-one support from BIWI. Tbh I think the fact that I'm breastfeeding has really helped with the weight loss as my calorie requirements overnight are pretty high. With a couple of tweaks to Bootcamp Light I haven't had any issues with milk supply so it goes to show that, counter to the common view, it is possible to lose weight while breastfeeding. I'm on holiday for two weeks but hoping to stick with the woe as far as possible (with a few carefully selected treats). I have a bag packed with pork scratchigs, salted almonds and Peperamis for emergency use, and a couple of water bottles. The amazing thing for me is how quickly the carb addiction has subsided. Part of that is a replacement addiction to seeing the scales twitch downwards every few days. I was in McDonalds and they had some nice-looking buns in there but I just wasn't interested. If I'm going to eat a bun it had better be utterly delicious, not just any old sugary treat because I'm in thrall to out of control blood sugar levels.

timidviper Mon 08-Jul-13 12:30:11

I have been bad this weekend as we were away, stayed with friends and we were dependent on them for all the food. (Long story but had a lot planned and they had, very kindly, made picnics up and all sorts for us) Having said that I didn't pig out, I just didn't low carb so I will just go back to it. That is the big difference for me with this WOE that a slip up doesn't become give up.

I weighed on Friday, my usual weighing day, and have just 1lb to go to my 3 stone loss. It may take me a bit longer than I'd hoped as I have a meal today which I suspect will be pasta (somebody else's choice), an afternoon tea on Wed (leaving party from someone moving out of UK) and a party on Fri but I will get there by my "scenic route" in my own time.

snowballinashoebox Mon 08-Jul-13 13:20:13

flowers to biwi and willie. I have never managed to stick at any form of diet for this long before, so thank you to everyone for helping me.

I have lost 15 lbsgrin and look and feel so much better. I need to lose another 10 lb to be back in my healthy BMI range and it feels doable rather than impossible. What a bloody brilliant feeling.

BerylStreep Mon 08-Jul-13 13:54:07

Bullet it's funny that you say that, as yesterday driving back in the car, after the BurgerKing encounter, I felt really jangly and anxious, like I had done too much caffeine, except I hadn't. I wonder if that was the blood sugars?

couch25cakes Mon 08-Jul-13 13:56:26

Just checked the spreadsheet, I've lost 12.5lbs in 8 weeks smile
I'm now obese rather than seriously obese grin haha

timid, that's a great loss, I'm definitelyt aking teh scenic route, am going to be happy with a lb a week for the next year or more if I can enjoy food and socialising as much as I have done. DH can't believe I've been able to have so many curry niights smile

kotinka Mon 08-Jul-13 14:56:53

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captainmummy Mon 08-Jul-13 15:16:31

Viper - fantastic to get to 3 stone loss!

Congrats to everyone on bootcamp

daisychicken Mon 08-Jul-13 15:50:12

Totally agree that overal tastes are getting sweeter... was at a friends last night and had a crisp... it was so sweet.. hmm why do crisps need sugar? supposed to be savoury..

Well done for all losses! grin

Not weighed myself and have decided I'm going to not do so this week... just concentrate on eating low carb and see what happens.....

Beryl I think it was the sugars - since low carbing I can completely tell if my blood sugars are high or goinghigh without having to test using my finger pricking machine - I can't beleive how I used to think feeling like that was normal before!

Oveall a 6lb loss for me, but seeing as I fannied about in the middle and put on 4 lbs then had to lose that again I am quite pleased!!! I have 4 weeks to go to holiday and next target is 2 lbs away...

BIWI Mon 08-Jul-13 16:50:36

When we went on holiday, we arrived at Bordeaux airport at lunchtime. Only sandwiches available to eat - so I went for a Croque Monsieur. I didn't especially enjoy it, but I was hungry so went with it.

About 2 hours later, when we were in the supermarket doing the shopping for our first few days, I felt really peculiar. Felt like I was going to pass out and kept getting odd visual disturbances, almost like the air was rippling. I suddenly realised that it was my blood sugar level that must have plunged through the floor. Thankfully we had some strawberries to hand, and a small handful of those sorted me out.

It was a very good reminder of what carbs can do to me.

NewStartNewStory Mon 08-Jul-13 17:05:24

Scary when that happens, BIWI.

I have to admit that as much as i dislike the heat and sun (burn stupidly easily and very prone to sunstroke) I am enjoying the fact that the heat makes it almost impossible to cheat as i just can't face anything with any substance.

B: Scrambled eggs
L: 3 mini babybels
t: mince with some cheese

1 cup of coffee, 1 diet coke yes i know but when out for coffee and had that instead of the ice cream the others were eating but do need to drink more water. Planning lots of after sun and water and an early night today. Thankful that the sun makes me sleepy. I shall feel sorry for those suffering from the heat tonight.

NewStartNewStory Mon 08-Jul-13 17:07:25

if someone gets a chance the Kgs to lbs blue box is broken again Must find out what the converting factor is so can still figure it out. somehow have it in my brain as 2.2 rhubarbs. confused

prettybird Mon 08-Jul-13 18:07:13

I'll fill in the spreadsheet when I am on a PC, but I've lost another pound and am now 10st 7lb. One more pound and I'll have lost 3stone from my heaviest! grin (4lb to make it 3stone on Boot Camp).

I'm 52 but have no shame so I have never stopped wearing bikinis even when I was 12 stone 13lb (which was where I managed to get to 2 years ago) grin. Unfortunately we can't afford to go to Greece this year unless we win the lottery or one of us gets a job (first time in 8 years we're not going to Meganisi sad), otherwise I'd have treated myself to a nice new bikini smile.

captainmummy Mon 08-Jul-13 18:07:31

BIWI - that is scary. On one sandwich?
I went out with a friend on wednesday; we usually have a latte and a teacake blush and i normally eat it mindfully and have no problems. On way home, I felt like a balloon - prick me and i'll whizz away; I was so bloated. It took till the late afternoon to get 'rid' of the trapped wind blush - won't be doing that again!

kotinka Mon 08-Jul-13 18:11:04

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HeySoulSister Mon 08-Jul-13 18:23:06

beans on toast nearly floored me too! used to be my fave meal as well

i've lost over 4 1/2 stone trainer wants me to stop losing weight and concentrate on the fitness side more,but BMI chart says I need to lose more yet....otherwise its maintainence

Brilliant HeySoul and pretty and viper and all you other losers!

I too am just over 2 stone down from my heaviest weight and am determined to keep it off - still got a long way to go!

L - lettuce, cherry tomatoes and grilled goats cheese
D - rib steak with mayo mixed with horseradish, lettuce and bbq'd peppers

Lots of water and off to Zumba now!

Pleaseandthankyou Mon 08-Jul-13 19:25:03

Biwi and Willie I just want to thank you for the boot camp and all your hard work. I haven't posted but I have been lurking and you have given me inspiration to lose 10lbs in 10 weeks. I'm sure it would have been more but I have had quite a few "occasions" which won't have helped. I'm going to try to stick to it. Back to size 12 in time for the holidays and the majority of the weight seems to have come off my waist. I might even dig my bikini out. I can't believe how easy it has been but I wouldn't have stuck to it without your posts. Thanks again

BIWI Mon 08-Jul-13 20:25:29

My pleasure! Have you filled in the survey, by the way? Link here, if you haven't

Negroni Mon 08-Jul-13 20:28:58

Yes, thanks so much for the bootcamp, only joined a few weeks back and now want to do a whole one!

Wow at some of the big losses some of you have had. Well done!!

Struggling today after my alcohol followed by chips fail on Saturday and then wobbling while half way back onto the wagon yesterday- sips of beer, diet lemonade, bite of cake. I am blaming Murray for making me so tense I was forced to graze!

Now today going ok. But feel heavier - too scared. to weigh self yet - and also for first time in ages am feeling like I fancy something sweet. Need to get back into the zone before I am found surrounded by cake crumbs and empty quavers packets!!

I had the most delicious lunch today, Fillet steak topped with brie, garlic mushrooms, baby plum tomatoes and rocket smile
The fillet steak was £2.60 on yellow sticker! Score!
I had roast chicken thighs and cauli with Indian spices for dinner. It has been a very good food day! grin

BerylStreep Mon 08-Jul-13 21:42:01

BIWI count yourself lucky that there were no MNers in the supermarket to witness your strawberry consumption!

BIWI Mon 08-Jul-13 21:48:00


couch25cakes Mon 08-Jul-13 22:07:05

I'm going to try and keep logging my meals, to keep me accountable grin
B- a black farmer sausage and scrambled eggs with a splash of cream
L- leftover lamb koftas and salad, dressing
D- satay chicken from a new low carb cookbook, with fired courgettes and leeks

I bought DD peaches and I'd love one but I'm trying t resist. How carny are peaches?

ZimboMum Mon 08-Jul-13 22:12:06

thanks all for the support and encouragement and stick waving. 12lbs down in 10 weeks. Never thought it possible. Off to a wedding party (friends got married three months ago at Victoria falls and having a party for all those that couldn't make it) at the beginning of august and a week later i turn 30 so planning on really going for it so I can feel happy with people taking pics <shallow>

BIWI Mon 08-Jul-13 22:20:51

couch - about 12g carbs per small peach (10g per 100g)

HumphreyCobbler Mon 08-Jul-13 22:26:41

Just popping in to say well done to everyone completing bootcamp. Sounds like you have had some brilliant losses smile

I am really looking forward to starting again when the baby is here (I cannot seem to cut out any carbs at all when pregnant, sadly - I am blaming the hormones) and am delighted to read that it is ok to low carb when breastfeeding!

FattyMcChubster Mon 08-Jul-13 22:27:35

Checking in. Good start to last week (my first lc week) but Thursday and Friday were terrible. No self control. Totally off the wagon.
Saturday better and Sunday just ok.
Much better today.
Af has appeared, not had that for years (pill stops them) so I'm guessing that didn't help?
Started back properly and strictly today so will start 2 weeks again from today.
4lb down from last week so heading in right direction but need to keep on the straight and narrow. Can't be starting again and again each week.

FFS. To quote an earlier thread I have been a bit of a sugary twat this evening. Don't ask. Grrrrrrrr.....

ToomuchIsBackOnBootcamp Tue 09-Jul-13 00:29:16

Evening losers!! Huge flowers to everyone who has stuck with it and done so well. Hearing about milestones is so lovely.

I had a couple of carby moments at end of last week due to emotions and TOTM but thankfully not enough to derail me and start a total "fuckit" train. I even toasted my fellow Scot Andy's win with a decaff coffee with cream rather than various alcoholic options!!

I am now 3.5 lbs away from my "magic number", the weight i was told i should aim for and thought, nearly a year ago, not a cats chance in hell will i ever get there. and it's my birthday in 3 weeks. I feel a personal challenge has been set ... smile

loopyloou Tue 09-Jul-13 00:53:47

Sorry, I posted on the old thread. Haven't weighed, lost the plot completely. Don't know how to get back on track and more importantly how to stay on track.

captainmummy Tue 09-Jul-13 08:07:57

loopylou - read the rules on the spreadsheet. Read Briffa. read about the damage and dangers of sugar. Eat proper food - meat and veg, eggs, butter, cream.

You can do it - we will help.

BlackAffronted Tue 09-Jul-13 08:11:00

Have put on 7lb on over night for absolutely no reason hmm bit gutted really. I had a chunk of 85% dark choc yesterday, but surely that cant be the reason?

loopy definitely read 'Escape the Diet Trap' by John Briffa. It has completely brainwashed indoctrinated changed the way I think, and totally convinced me this is the healthiest way to eat.

BlackAffronted Tue 09-Jul-13 08:13:09

Fatty, Id had no periods for abour 12 years until I started this woe, and now I get a small spotty one every month or so. The only downside to this!

Aw, that's shit Black. Drink lots of water today - if it's hot where you are you will need extra so it's just 7lb of water retention I should think smile

CrabbyBigBottom Tue 09-Jul-13 08:28:22

Black could your scales be up the creek? You can't possibly have gained half a stone of fat overnight, so it must be water or your scales being mean and nasty to you! Did you say something to upset them? grin

Well it's a final loss for me this bootcamp of 17lbs. Down to 11st 6lbs from 12st 9lbs. Could have been more, I'm sure, but I've had a few planned off-piste weekends and drunk too much wine so I'm very happy with that.

Yay go Toomuch!! 3.5lbs in 3 weeks to reach your landmark is very achievable. Go for it girl!

CrabbyBigBottom Tue 09-Jul-13 08:28:56

Yy to the drink extra water in this heat - very very important.

BIWI Tue 09-Jul-13 08:37:34

Black - it's not 'real' weight. Drink lots of water and do a bit of exercise today, and then make sure you're following the rules strictly for the next couple of days, and you'll be fine.

Crabby - that's brilliant!

TooMuch - fantastic! I'm sure you can do 3.5lbs in the next 3 weeks

BIWI Tue 09-Jul-13 08:45:04

Really interesting blog post here about the benefits of coconut oil - especially interesting re its effect on abdominal fat here

CrabbyBigBottom Tue 09-Jul-13 08:54:02

Ooh I've just measured myself, and total losses are as follows:
Narrowest part of waist - 6.5cm
Round navel - 5cm
Hips - 11cm!!! That's my 'belly' bit that I wanted to get rid of!
Biggest part of bum - 4.5cm
Top of thigh - 5cm. Whoop whoop! grin
Above knee (god I hate my fat knees) - 2cm
Widest part of calf - 1.5cm
And finally... Drumroll...
Arm above the elbow (the only bit of me I hate more than my knees, but at least it's easier to hide knees) - 3cm.

Still got a stone to go, but I'm smile smile smile this morning.

Keep losing, losers! wink

loopyloou Tue 09-Jul-13 09:04:38

Sorry for being so negative yesterday. Congratulations to everyone for your weight loss.

The problem is I've read the rules, I know how to eat low carb but I just can't stick to it because I crave sugar and where before a couple of biscuits were enough, now I don't seem to be able to get enough. I'm very jealous of everyone who says they don't enjoy cake, chocolate, anything sweet anymore, I unfortunately still enjoy it! It tastes great.

I imagine I'll get back on track again this week but what's the point if after a week I lose my willpower again?

All I do is lose 4 lbs then put them back on.

I'll see if I can get that book from the library, thanks.

Sorry to moan. As some of you know I'm sticking to a very low budget as dh lost his job, it's all getting to me a bit. I have been trying to buy cheaper cuts of meat, but then have probably blown £15 on chocolate over the last week hmm What a waste of money!

On the plus side, I barely drink wink

Keep the tips coming, I'm really grateful for any help. I know I feel better eating this way, but it's as if once I start to feel better, I "forget" that, it's no longer as important.

letsseeificandothis Tue 09-Jul-13 09:31:55

Hey, crabby we're weightloss twins. I'm v impressed that you can lose that and have the wine/weekends though! The measuring sounds a good idea - I wish I'd thought of doing that, but as I'm sat here wearing a pair of trousers that haven't seen the light of day for two years I guess I must have lost some inches. (They are still a bit tight, though.)

Toomuch - you can do it, you can do it, choo choo. Last lap. You'll be under your magic number in three weeks.

Congratulations to some astonishing losses and shrinkages!

Its pretty amazing.

Fatty you are 4lb down - brilliant! I think the deal was you now change your name?

BIWI Tue 09-Jul-13 10:36:59

loopy sounds like you're having a really hard time at the moment - don't be too down on yourself.

I think that as well as reading up about low carb, so that you can see other benefits beyond weight loss, it might be a good idea to find other things that you can buy/eat/do that will be some kind of treat/reward/comforter for you.

At the moment, it's the sugar addiction that still has its grip on you. I know that you know that grin but you do need to break it, and the only way to do it is to knock the sugar on the head properly.

It's hard. But then it's not called Bootcamp for nothing! [evil] grin

loopyloou Tue 09-Jul-13 10:56:39

Thanks BIWI, I know you're right. It's so annoying, I've been eating low carb for over a year on and off, but until Christmas I was sticking to it faithfully and lost almost a stone (dairy slows me down and it took me a while to figure that out). I didn't crave anything and felt really strong. Then we took time off for Christmas and ate the usual stuff, mince pies, cake, chocolates. Since then we've been a week on, a week off more or less. One of us always gives in for some reason and the other follows.

Part of the reason is it's so hard to eat low carb sometimes - the world is not equipped to deal with it!! Everything is either bread based or sugary when you're out and about and I'm so fed up of eating the same stuff - all I take to work is tuna salad, ham salad, egg salad, cold chicken ... I'm not a fab cook, just average, but not very imaginative, so struggle to come up with new ideas. Even seeing recipes on the thread doesn't inspire me to try something new - lazy, I guess. Now the lack of money isn't helping, but probably isn't the main problem here. I am feeling stressed, anxious, tired because I'm not sleeping well and chocolate is my comfort food. I know I need to change that, just not sure how.

I think it's also my frame of mind. At the beginning last year I think I thought if I could get through the first few days, weeks, months, the cravings would go and never come back. But I've found out that's not true for me, the cravings (a bit like smoking) are always there. I haven't smoked for nearly 8 years but still sometimes in times of extreme stress I find myself thinking, I could have a fag! I never do, but then I have health anxiety and I think that stops me going down that route. Doesn't stop me buying chocolate though! shock

BIWI Tue 09-Jul-13 11:02:06

How much more weight do you have/want to lose?

I hadn't realised you'd been low carbing for such a long time. In your case, it might be worth seeking out some sweeter low carb treats that would be allowable in your diet, then you won't feel so bad about not being able to have anything. This does have to become a sustainable, long-term WOE after all.

And definitely agree with you about the world not being low-carb friendly! It's a nightmare. But, as ever, the secret is about planning ahead as much as you possibly can.

Do you have a supermarket near you? And do you have access to a microwave at work? If you do, why not go and check out their range of ready meals to see if you can find one that's not too high in carbs? It's expensive, but once in a while as a change/break would be fine. Or, if they have a rotisserie section, buy yourself some (unflavoured) chicken pieces, and have that with a bag of salad.

But overall it sounds to me that your current situation is not helping you - you sound very down - don't let the strictures of your diet make you even lower. That will only add more stress to your day!

loopyloou Tue 09-Jul-13 11:02:40

Can anyone recommend any books about sugar and how damaging/addictive it is? Thanks smile

HeySoulSister Tue 09-Jul-13 11:03:42

That was interesting about coconut oil

I've been oil pulling (mentioned in the article) using coconut oil for almost a week now. It's very effective

Just wish it wasn't so expensive! grin

loopyloou Tue 09-Jul-13 11:08:45

BIWI I weigh about 10 stone 11 (daren't weigh myself!) and would like to get down to 10 stone. I'm 5 feet 7. But TBH at 10 stone 7 I feel quite comfortable too, although could still get rid of a spare tyre! But then I lose the plot and put 4 to 6 lbs back on sad At 10 stone 7 my clothes feel quite comfortable and I can bear to look at myself in the mirror. For some reason half a stone more makes a huge difference to my middle and my face.

Yes, if I could incorporate some treats so I don't feel deprived without piling half a stone back on or craving more I might feel happier.

Yes, there is a Sainsburys in town near work and not far from home (although not walking distance) but no microwave at work.

Yy, re stressing myself out about food as well as everything else. It has to stop!

daisychicken Tue 09-Jul-13 11:12:32

Just logging in...

B: strawberries with Greek yog & piece cheese
L: huge salad with bacon, shavings of Parmesan and salad dressing - was yum!
D: courgette "pasta" with spicy veg sauce and chorizo with Parmesan shavings
S: small handful peanuts

B: strawberries with cream and piece cheese
L: no idea - salad of some sort - poss same as yesterday
D: cauli and broccoli cheese with sausage
S: olives

Lidl have a massive 850g jar of olives on offer for £3.99 (the 'E' name like the yoghurt) - just had some and they are bloody lovely!!! grin

Has anyone seen chicken (breasts preferably) on offer anywhere? Lidl is still at £6.99/kg and I'm hoping to stock up on an offer as we've run out of chicken...

Have got more cookbooks from library, am going to see what other recipes I can come up with that are suitable for everyone in the house! Can I add recipes on here or is copyright a problem?? confused

Just had some exciting news! SIL has gone into labour grin grin D's is getting a cousin!!! Ahhhh! So excited! grin

daisychicken Tue 09-Jul-13 11:16:06

loopy what about looking for some different salad recipes? Sort of change the norm a little? Personally I find that as long as I don't have choc or biscuits etc then I don't crave it - the minute I have a little I struggle... What else could you have as a treat? What about jelly mousse? I have a recipe from a low carb forum a few years ago that I do if I need a sweet treat - I make it and split in to tiny pots then serve with a dash of cream or berries - easily transportable as well - I can post recipe?

Xenia Tue 09-Jul-13 11:17:17

loopy, Sugar books - I am sure others will have ideas but Robert Lustig's book is good. Anyone with Diabetes will like Sugar Nation.
It is also worth watching the two "Big Sugar" films on you tube and Addicated to Pleasure (sugar programme) also on youtube.

One of my children who was picked to play for an England squad this year had a training session last weekend. She tells me she had had a bowl of cereal with milk for breakfast as that was all she had in and not her usual protein (for first time in months) , she nearly fainted in the one to one session and the trainer said it would be the breakfast. I think I am positively influencing the off spring in eating this way.

loopyloou Tue 09-Jul-13 11:30:11

Daisy, that sounds interesting, would love the recipe, thanks smile

Xenia thanks for the book suggestions, will take a look. I'd just found the Robert Lustig one on Amazon and have downloaded the sample chapter to my Kindle to have a look at.

I struggle with my 12 yr old dd as she is very picky (didn't used to be!) and doesn't really like meat or fish much. She will have tomato soup for breakfast, usually with a slice of bread and butter. I'm not sure if that is better than sugary cereal! She doesn't like eggs or bacon, although will eat sausages.

letsseeificandothis Tue 09-Jul-13 11:35:18

My new favourite meal as it's so quick and easy (though not particularly cheap, admittedly). Serves two/two meals.

Waitrose (other brands are available) chicken crown with lemon, tarragon and shallots. (The chicken is 1.2 carbs for each half portion.) Roast in a deep baking tray for 1+hour. Halfway through add loads of cut-up vegetables - mushrooms and courgettes work very well - around the meat and turn them with the juices.

I thought it was delicious, even though it's somewhat pre-prepared.

daisychicken Tue 09-Jul-13 11:50:46

Jelly Mousse:

1 pack cream cheese 2.8gc
1 1/2 sachet of Hartleys sugar free jelly 3gc - best flavour is raspberry or black currant
1/2pint water

Boil water and dissolve the jelly granules, leave to cool slightly
In a bowl soften the cream cheese then add the jelly mix and whisk well. Pour into containers and leave to set.

I use the tiny baby food pots (the ones that are just slightly bigger than an ice cube) and get 8-12 portions but entire recipe is 5.8gc's so even if only split into 4 pots, it would only be 1.45gc per pot.

Eat on its own or with cream or cream and berries

loopyloou Tue 09-Jul-13 13:07:16

Thanks daisy. I used to do something similar when I followed Slimming World years ago, it's quite nice. (My worry is that having something sweet anything sweet might make me crave more?)

I also enjoy full fat greek yoghurt with berries.

kiwigirl42 Tue 09-Jul-13 15:52:03

well done everyone who has stuck to it and lost weight. I had put on 2kg when I weighed myself on Friday but prob due to painkillers I think has have been sticking to plan, more or less.

I'm going to start being ultra strict bootcamp all over again this week. JJust had steak (rare rib) with broccoli and asparagus (buttered) - this is my favorite meal now I think. I put some of this Moroccan seasoning on the steak and it was very tasty

daisychicken Tue 09-Jul-13 16:12:19

You might be ok then Loopy - just get some ice cube size pots from the cheapy store or value supermarket ones and have it with a few berries/cream/yog - it's not overly sweet like chocolate. I also find that the pots disappear quickly - it's not me eating it but the kids(!)

alabama1956 Tue 09-Jul-13 16:46:25

Hi all,
Was wondering if anyone could offer me some advice please...I'm a long term lurker and serial dieter!

After being inspired by others I know being very successful at low carbing, I decided to give it a go about a month ago. In this time, I have stuck to the 'diet' religiously and have only lost 3-6 pound. (It fluctuates a lot!)

I've tried cutting out dairy and drinking tonnes of water but neither seem to make a huge difference.

Yesterday I ate;
B-black coffee
L-Tin of tuna, mayo and salad
T-Prawns cooked in garlic butter, salmon fillet and spinach.
Supper-Small bowl of greek yoghurt.

I feel so disheartened, what am I doing wrong?

loopyloou Tue 09-Jul-13 16:48:38

How high is double cream in carbs? I have some in the fridge and am contemplating making crustless bacon and egg pie for lunch for the next few days. It would make a change.

BlackAffronted Tue 09-Jul-13 17:18:23

heysoulsister, I just posted a link to some cheap coconut oil on the oil pulling thread smile

BIWI Tue 09-Jul-13 17:32:19

loopy - my Tesco double cream is 1.6g per 100ml, so it's pretty low carb.

alabama - firstly, how much do you weigh and how tall are you? How much are you aiming to lose?

Second, it doesn't look as if you're eating very much. And your protein choices are all quite lean - you may need to eat more fat. Are you putting an oily dressing on your salad?

Finally, weeks 3 and 4 are often weeks where little or no weight loss is seen - sometimes you may even see a slight gain. So it's most likely reflecting an adjustment period for your body as it switches from carb-burning to fat-burning.

tigerchair Tue 09-Jul-13 18:20:53

Hi everyone, I'm just back from hols and ready to get stuck in again. Had lost 6lbs but couple pounds on again. Currently 10 st 4.5lbs, still want to be 9st 7lbs! Glad to have found you all again and have completed the survey. Back on track tomorrow smile

prettybird Tue 09-Jul-13 18:24:31

Just loaded my weight in to the spreadsheet. smile

I have lost 36lb since I started Boot Camp. smile Dropped 2 dress sizes - from a 16 to a 12. smile

I've lost over 12cm off my waist (must re-measure that as I've not worn that particular belt for a while).

And I'm enjoying my food. grin

Weight loss has slowed --probably got a lot to do with the wine I've been drinking--wink but I know the key thing I need to do, which is to drink more water.

All in all, a great success smilesmile

thanksthanks for all the support on here.

prettybird Tue 09-Jul-13 18:28:19

Oh - and meant to say have lost nearly 20% of my body weight! shockgrin

BIWI Tue 09-Jul-13 18:46:50

Wow! Well done. flowers

loopyloou Tue 09-Jul-13 18:52:28

Thanks BIWI I'll try and find my recipe for the bacon and egg pie yo cook tomorrow or Thursday - have some chicken drumsticks to roast for tomorrow lunchtime.

Back on track today, had bacon and eggs for breakfast, a drumstick, a hard boiled egg and yoghurt with blueberries for lunch and salmon with salad for dinner with a babybel as a snack.

BIWI Tue 09-Jul-13 18:57:01

You could always try this one, loopy - I've just made this for us this evening!

Bacon, Shallot and Cheese Tart

serves 6

225g ground almonds
55g butter, diced
1/2 teaspoon salt

for the filling:

25g butter and a splash of oil (this stops the butter burning)
100g smoked lardons (or diced smoked streaky bacon)
2 cloves of garlic, finely chopped (or use a garlic crusher)
150g shallots, thinly sliced (this will be 3-4 echalion shallots)
dried oregano
100g grated mature cheddar
300ml double cream
salt and freshly ground black pepper

Preheat the oven to 180C/350F/GM4

To make the pastry, mix the almonds, butter and salt until it forms a dough. This is easiest done in a food processor. Keep processing it until it starts to come together into a ball.

Press the dough with your hand/fingers into a 20cm flan tin or dish. Push the pastry up the sides of the tin as well. There is quite a lot of filling, so it's important to get the pastry as far up the sides as you can.

Prick the base of the flan all over and bake in the oven for 20 minutes or until set and golden brown. (It's better if it's cooked longer, as it hardens up a little more - just keep an eye on it and make sure it doesn't burn)

While the dough is cooking, saute the shallots,garlic and lardons/bacon in the butter and oil, till soft. Season with salt and pepper and about a teaspoon of dried oregano. Leave to cool.

Next, whisk the eggs and yolks, and then gradually add whisk in the cream. Add black pepper and whisk again.

Tip the shallots and bacon into the flan case and add the cheese, then pour over the egg and cream mixture. (It's a good idea to put the flan tin onto a baking tray, as it is likely to be very full, and this makes it easier to get into the oven without spilling anything)

Bake for 25-30 minutes, or until golden brown and just set. Serve warm or cold.

27.35g carbs for the whole lot. If you serve 6 people, this will be 4.6g per person.

BIWI Tue 09-Jul-13 18:57:20

BTW - it's much better made a day in advance

loopyloou Tue 09-Jul-13 19:41:54

Thanks BIWI have never tried making pastry with ground almonds.

MustTidyUpMustTidyUp Tue 09-Jul-13 20:37:43

Evening all. I'm still in bootcamp and surviving without too much trauma. Great to hear all your successes thanks its spurred me on.
Quick question, can I suck sugar free mints? They say 64% carbs but 0% sugar. I know they are full of crap but is the odd one ok?
Also, I don't seem to have lost any weight in the last 5 days and the scales are fluctuating, started at 9st4 then on thurs was 9st then 9st2 on Sunday, 9 st1 today. Wtf is going on? confused

StuntNun Tue 09-Jul-13 20:46:26

Help, I've fallen off the wagon! I ordered an all day breakfast for lunch which consisted of one sausage, two hash browns, baked beans, mushrooms and one cherry tomato. I followed this up with a single scoop of ice cream. I thought I had got away with it until after dinner (salmon and courgettes) I was starving and scarfed two packets of salt and vinegar crisps. Now I still feel hungry. hmm What do I do?

Wow prettybird serious congratulations!

Loopyloou your weight and height look like fairly normal BMI to me - I am 5'8'' just one inch taller than you. I'm currently 13 stone something not 10 stone something like you. I think I have to be 11 stone something to be in normal BMI, if I was 10 stone something I'd be seriously super-skinny.

So I wonder if you're not losing much simply because they say weightloss on this WOE slows down when you're close to your normal BMI?

Oh dear Stuntnun damage limitation time! (wasn't there some analogy on an earlier thread, if you think "Oh I've slipped up, might as well snack for Britain" its like dropping your phone by accident and then jumping up and down on it instead of picking it up.

I know the problem is the cravings!

StuntNun Tue 09-Jul-13 21:41:13

It isn't conscious Lily, I haven't had any sugar in three weeks and a small portion of ice cream has sent my hunger haywire. The crisps were a fix for carb cravings. Maybe I just won't be able to have any sweet treats without it all going to pot. The reason I got onto this woe was because of catastrophic hunger and bad temper when hungry, clearly there's an underlying issue here.

prettybird Tue 09-Jul-13 22:13:07

Just to clarify - my weight loss wasn't all on this latest Boot Camp; it's been since the New Year Boot Camp started on 7 January.

Still dead chuffed with myself though! smile

loopyloou Tue 09-Jul-13 22:38:00

Lily, I know I'm close to my target weight but my waist measurement is too high and I think I need to lose a little more. I have a small frame, I have very thin wrists for example and before having children weighed about 8.5 stone. After my youngest I got down again to 10 stone and that was fine, but at the moment I feel fat and my clothes are tight. I know it might take a while to get there, I just need to stop losing patience with this woe every time I don't lose or even gain despite sticking to it. I also need to stop comfort eating. I keep picking myself up and starting again, which is something I guess. Today I'm in the right frame of mind. The problem is when something goes wrong I reach for sugary foods for comfort hmm At least I've learnt that about myself wink

BIWI Tue 09-Jul-13 22:46:28

StuntNun - drink lots of water and eat something fatty. Make sure that you have planned your (low carb!) meals for tomorrow and eat well, so that you're not hungry.

Negroni Tue 09-Jul-13 22:55:00

Stuntnun - me too. Having real trouble getting properly back on wagon after eating carbs at the weekend. Eating low carb but then today had berries and too much cream. Then small amount of ice cream, then piece of marzipan, then a glass of lemonade. Now craving toast and biscuits.

I know what I have to do which is to just plan proper food tomorrow and day after and keep sticking strictly to it till I am back in the groove. But for some reason that just seems very difficult right now.

BIWI Tue 09-Jul-13 22:58:06

Do some reading about low carbing and its benefits. If you haven't got any of the books, look at the resources on the spreadsheet. There are some great links to sites/blogs there that will help to convince you!

Musttidyup - you really should be avoiding those mints, as the artificial sweeteners can impede weight loss. That said, the other thing you need to accept is that your weight will fluctuate on a daily basis quite naturally. Also, you don't say how far you are into Bootcamp, but if you're in week 3 it is quite usual for weight loss to slow/stop at this point. Keep on keeping on and you should see things start to move again soon.

alabama1956 Tue 09-Jul-13 23:13:46

I am 5'4 and am my heaviest 14.5 today. I must say my appetite has def shrunk but I am trying to make sure I eat 3 meals. Today was not so good cause I didnt eat till about 4pm then had some pastrami while I prepared the evening meal which was 2 chicken thighs with coleslaw, salad and mayonnaise. I do take ibruprfen and paracetamol most days for long term chronic back problem and for some reason seem to have fluid retention ie fat feet and fat fingers !!!. not going to give up cause I am actually enjoying what I am eating and not missing carbs too much but cant see why I am not loosing any weight !!!

BIWI Tue 09-Jul-13 23:29:51

Well, not eating enough is one thing to look at! You really need to eat properly to keep your blood sugar levels stable, and waiting until 4pm isn't going to be great.

Ibuprofen is also something that can impede weight loss, but you obviously need to take that!

Fluid retention means you're not drinking enough! Drink more water, and make sure you're keeping your salt levels up. And as per my other post, make sure you're eating plenty of fat.

Glad you're enjoying your food, as this is what will help to keep you going.

NobodyPutsMyBabyInTheCorner Tue 09-Jul-13 23:37:37

Hi everyone,

Just a quick question, how much dairy is too much?
I usually have 3 cups of coffee with cream per day, yogurt for breakfast and them 30-40gs of cheese incorporated into a meal.

What do you all think. My weight loss over the last few weeks has been little and I'd like to speed to it up!

CrabbyBigBottom Wed 10-Jul-13 04:13:35

I have to share with someone that I'm up and about - I'm off for a dawn walk to photograph butterflies and listen for nightjars! [very excited] smile Might even see some adders if I tread lightly.

The blackbird is singing already. smile

BlackAffronted Wed 10-Jul-13 07:15:24

Just weighed again and still 7lb up, havent even dropped a lb from drowning myself in water yesterday and being super strict. Also means yesterdays weigh in wasnt a fluke sad utterly pissed off. The only thing I can think of is that I started to add half a teaspoon of coconut oil to my green tea - that must be causing the gain. I drink 3 or more cups a day.

BlackAffronted Wed 10-Jul-13 07:19:09

Nobody, maybe drop the cheese or restrict it a litte? and could you drop the yogurt as well? You might see your weightloss speed up.

BlackAffronted Wed 10-Jul-13 07:19:31

Sounds lovely Crabby smile

Yama Wed 10-Jul-13 07:30:05

Hi everyone, long time no see. I've been in the middle of house move hell. It really does drain you doesn't it?

Anyway, the renovations should be finished by tomorrow (I wouldn't bet the mortgage on it though) and we move in next Tuesday.

Small matter of being away at a wedding this weekend. Oh, and it's too hot to pack.

The good news is that I've managed to maintain 9st9 throughout the stress. I guess, this woe has helped to keep me sane. smile

Yama Wed 10-Jul-13 07:34:05

NobodyPutsMyBabyInTheCorner - when I want to lose weight I have to cut out the dairy. When I am maintaining I can tolerate quite a bit but I do remember hitting a stumbling block when I inititially started this woe and dairy was the culprit.

captainmummy Wed 10-Jul-13 08:55:12

Black - I have half a teaspoon of coconut oil in black Rooibos tea in the morning in lieu of breakfast, and i haven't gained. In fact i read an article in which it suggested that coconut oil should speed up fat-burning. 7lbs overnight must be water retention, maybe due to the heat? Don't lose faith!

BIWI Wed 10-Jul-13 09:03:49

Nobody - it would definitely be worth cutting out dairy to see if it's making a difference to weight loss.

Black - have a long, hard look at your food over the last few days, to make sure that you're not falling foul of carb creep. Are you really following the rules? It's very unlikely that the coconut oil is the culprit.

Yama - welcome back grin and well done on weight maintenance.

BIWI Wed 10-Jul-13 09:05:56


Link here

I need around another 20 people or so to complete it, so that the results can be properly meaningful, and I'm not sure how much longer MNHQ will leave it open, so if you haven't done it yet, please go and do it now! It won't take you longer than 5 minutes or so.

thank you flowers

Negroni Wed 10-Jul-13 09:45:41

Ok a first for me. Logging food today to keep me on the straight and narrow with no cream or cheese, no berries, no diet lemonade and no alcohol. Am determined to get back on the wagon and not ruin all my hard work so far.

Breakfast - bulletproof coffee
Lunch- scrambled egg and slices fried aubergine
Dinner - smoked mackerel with broccoli

3 litres of water.

Now all I have to do is stick to it.

Black do you think the heat has warped something in your scales? trying to think of a reasonable explanation and failing

Yama Wed 10-Jul-13 10:04:57

Thanks BIWI. I have just completed the survey.

Off out now to try to redirct our post. Online wouldn't let me at the weekend. Pain in the arse.

I'm also going to try toget ds (2) to the barbers before the wedding. He's rocking the Liam rather than the Noel Gallagher look at the moment. grin

couch25cakes Wed 10-Jul-13 10:13:47

I've just done the survey smile

Yesterdays food:
B - bacon and two cherry tomatoes, a little lump of cheese
L - salad with chicken skewers
D - another creation - minced beef fried in Worcester sauce, garlic, shallots, celery, leeks with a splash of cream, then 3 strawberries in yoghurt and cream

I was gutted to see that yesterday morning I was 1.5lbs heavier, but then period started so was somewhat relieved grin, it's down again today, phew.

Where can I buy coconut oil?

kiwigirl42 Wed 10-Jul-13 10:34:16

morning girls! Hallelujah. Weighed myself this morning and the mystery 4lb (4 fecking pounds!!!) has disappeared and I'm back to what I was 10 days ago. Its obviously something to do with either my migraines or the migraine medication.

All I know is that the migraines have slowed down after 2 wks of daily ones and my weight has dropped without me changing my eating.

So hopefully this week will see me losing again. So happy to be under 90kg again!

NigellasGuest Wed 10-Jul-13 10:58:04

I am feeling really depressed and failing miserably, but if I can just keep off the wine in the evenings it will help me enormously. Trouble is, by the time 6pm comes I'm so knackered and stressed, all I want to do is sit in the evening sun with a glass or three blush

BIWI Wed 10-Jul-13 11:18:40

NigellasGuest - could you try substituting the wine with something vodka, lime and soda? Or golden rum with lime and soda? Both are carb-free, which would help a little.

Sorry you're feeling down.

letsseeificandothis Wed 10-Jul-13 13:57:43

couch They stock it in our local Tesco, near the free-from/odd-people's-food section (or at least that's how they seem to view it) - it's a large edge-of-town one.

I bought mine online: EFA organic, actually is not as bad as I thought it would be.

I've only lost half a pound this week sad
I'd really like a whoosh now please! I'm behaving myself despite massive temptation although I keep smoking, bad bullet so I think I deserve it!

prettybird Wed 10-Jul-13 14:37:10

Couch - I can get HTC Pure Coconut oil for c.£2 for 500ml from the ethnic aisle at my local Sainsbury's. I can also get it (same brand) from the local Asian shops for a similar price.

I've checked and it's a "good" cheap coconut oil in that it has not been hydrogenated. smile

NobodyPutsMyBabyInTheCorner Wed 10-Jul-13 15:30:49

Hi Everyone, thanks I am going to cut out the dairy from tomorrow although slowly as theres already so much taken out of this WOE.

I'm only going to have cream 2x per day and then have either 30gs of cheese or yoghurt every other day.
I'm going to give it a go until Monday and see what happens, if the weight loss is still slow I'll cut it all out apart from 1 coffee with cream per day. sad

MagicLlama Wed 10-Jul-13 15:45:28

I have added myself to the Spreadheet I think and am ready to go. I have real trouble sticking to diets, and food it my comfort stuff when things go wrong. However, having being the heaviest I have ever been and ashamed to be in photos with the DCs its time for change. Go Llama go smile

prettybird Wed 10-Jul-13 15:48:04

I tried a teaspoon of coconut oil in a cup of rooibos today. It was actually ok - you barely noticed it was there apart from the fact I burnt my mouth smile

captainmummy Wed 10-Jul-13 16:01:55

Does anyone know what the carb count of Pimms is? It's on offer in Waitrose, and if i don't eat the fruit salad in it, will it be ok? I'll make with fizzy wayer, not lemonade

kiwigirl42 Wed 10-Jul-13 16:15:47

I've just had a lovely curry, tikka masala made with Patak's paste and chicken. I didn't have any tinned tomatoes (only discovered when I went to add) so used a jar of Dolmio original. It is 7 carbs per 100g so I made sure I had the tiniest smear of sauce with cauliflower rice. I added a pack of coconut cream to the curry just before serving.

It was nice. Not as nice as my beloved Massaman curry paste but I'll have that back in my cupboard soon.

NigellasGuest Wed 10-Jul-13 17:06:52

thanks BIWI i think I might go without alchohol altogether - I don't know what's wrong with me I am so sluggish all the time and constantly falling asleep. Perhaps I'm anaemic again - must search out my iron supplement

NewStartNewStory Wed 10-Jul-13 17:17:32

I blooming love this woe!!! The norks have shrunk <happy dance> and are beginning to hit a more realistic size rather then being unnecessary. Pretty bras are in sight. <dances around the thread like a crazy woman>

ignores the fact that there is still back fat and at least another stone to stone and half that needs to be shifted

Some good decisions, some bad decisions, but on the whole this woe definitely suits me and is doing me the world of good. grin

BIWI Wed 10-Jul-13 17:58:27

captainmummy according to this site, 17.5g per 2fl oz I'd say it's not worth it!

MollyMollyMolly Wed 10-Jul-13 18:18:29

Hi Ladies,
Im still doing this just havnt had much time due to studying to go "on the line" !! Am off to do the survey smile

MollyMollyMolly Wed 10-Jul-13 18:21:33

Being a bit thick here....followed BIWIs link but cant see the "survey" please.

BIWI Wed 10-Jul-13 18:23:01

Molly - it's in the OP of this thread

And thank you!

StuntNun Wed 10-Jul-13 18:38:04

I think I'm back on track although it's a bit tricky with being on holiday. I'm being naughty with a sneaky beer with a barbecue but it's only a 330 ml bottle so not too bad.

B: two slices of bacon, one slice of black pudding
L: chicken drumstick and thigh, salad, small piece of cheese
S: pear
D: barbecued pork belly, Black Farmer sausage, chicken thigh, salad and aforementioned sneaky beer

loopyloou Wed 10-Jul-13 18:50:26

Had another good day, despite disaster day at home - found out last night our dishwasher outlet pipe had been leaking.Pulled off the kick boards to find the floor behind an inch deep in stinking gloop! Stagnant water, yuck! Spent all day laid on the floor mopping it up and cleaning with bleach. Now letting it all dry after dh impressed me a lot by fitting a new pipe and connecting it again (he doesn't usually "do" DIY).

Breakfast: bacon and egg
Lunch: small piece of salmon left over from dinner yesterday with garlic Philly and a chicken drumstick, 2 strawberries and a drop of cream.
Dinner: chilli con carne without kidney beans with a sprinkling of cheese

MustTidyUpMustTidyUp Wed 10-Jul-13 20:34:34

Evening all. Thanks BIWI re the mints ill knock them on the head. I'm on week 2 and I'm going to start logging my food so please please tell me if I'm being a piglet. I go on holiday in 2 and 1/2 weeks and really want to lose 4 more lb before I go.
Breakfast: left over roasted aubergine, cold sausage, coffee with cream
Lunch: Spanish omelette with olives and a bit of cheese, salad
Dinner: chicken thigh and leg roasted with olive oil, braised cabbage ( which was delicious) and fried courgettes. All a bit oily?
Snack: handful of pork scratchings - I don't think I'm really allowed these though am I? And 2 coffees with a splash of milk.
Lots of water.
Be honest.

BerylStreep Wed 10-Jul-13 20:36:22

CaptainMummy - I tried one a few weeks ago made with fizzy water, and it was vile. I wouldn't bother.

I think my blood sugars are all over the place since my slip up at the weekend - I feel very peckish and unsatiated. Am sticking to LC snacks, but I seem to want to eat all the time. I also just don't feel right. Sort of a bit spaced out and weird.

MollyMollyMolly Wed 10-Jul-13 20:36:42

ground flaxseed,almond,brazil nut cereal with a little milk
homemade coleslaw with grated cheese
homemade chicken curry with yog and lots of fresh coriander leaves.
Its just started to cool down a little hear in North Wales. Washing still drying in the line. Feel cool for the first time today. Sigh. Lovely weather but bit sweaty or is that just me !! {wink]

MollyMollyMolly Wed 10-Jul-13 20:37:42

"here" not "hear"....soz

MustTidyUpMustTidyUp Wed 10-Jul-13 21:07:50

Molly can you tell me more about your cereal? How do you make it and what quantities? Can I eat it when the first 2 weeks are up? I'm missing cereal so need ideas. Thanks.

MollyMollyMolly Wed 10-Jul-13 21:18:29

I got them from Holland and Barrett MustTidy on special offer. The cereal is about 0.95 gram of carb per 30g. Very musilie...ish.

MollyMollyMolly Wed 10-Jul-13 21:19:43

I think you could make your own cheaper. Buy ground flaxseeds and ground up some nuts etc. Very low carb, think you can have it on bootcamp but not sure ....

MustTidyUpMustTidyUp Wed 10-Jul-13 21:42:20


BIWI Wed 10-Jul-13 22:10:02


please tell me if I'm being a piglet

The rule of thumb on this WOE is to eat if you're hungry!

left over roasted aubergine, cold sausage, coffee with cream

Lovely and pretty good LC fare - assuming that your sausage was low in carbs?

Lunch: Spanish omelette with olives and a bit of cheese, salad

Great low carb fare. I assume that you fried your omelette in butter and had an oily dressing on your salad?

Dinner: chicken thigh and leg roasted with olive oil, braised cabbage ( which was delicious) and fried courgettes. All a bit oily?

Absolutely perfect. Why would you worry about the oil? Fat is good on this WOE! Fat doesn't make you fat - it's the carbs that make you fat.

Snack: handful of pork scratchings - I don't think I'm really allowed these though am I?

You so are allowed these! They are fat, which is good!

You're doing pretty well, but your questions suggest that you haven't really fully embraced the thinking behind low carbing - have you done any reading about it? Have a look at all the resources on the spreadsheet - plenty of good stuff there to tell you more about low carbing and what is/isn't good!

BIWI Wed 10-Jul-13 22:15:25


I think I'm back on track although it's a bit tricky with being on holiday. I'm being naughty with a sneaky beer with a barbecue but it's only a 330 ml bottle so not too bad.

Hmm. The only person you're sneaking this from is yourself - don't know what brand you're drinking, or if it's lager or beer, but just to give you an idea, 330ml of Heineken has 11g carbs!

B: two slices of bacon, one slice of black pudding

Bacon is fine (albeit processed) but black pudding can be very carby - 40g has 8g carbs!

L: chicken drumstick and thigh, salad, small piece of cheese

Perfect - assume salad had a dressing?

S: pear

What?! A small pear has around 23g carbs in it!

D: barbecued pork belly, Black Farmer sausage, chicken thigh, salad and aforementioned sneaky beer

Well - OK, apart from the beer!

These little 'extras' are adding up to a very, very, very carby day - I know you're on holiday, but please don't kid yourself that you are back on track

MustTidyUpMustTidyUp Wed 10-Jul-13 22:30:38

Well, I think I faired better than stuntnun grin. Thanks BIWI for the encouragement. Yes it was a 'good' sausage. smile.
I have done my reading from the spreadsheet links but I suppose I still have my head in calorie counting having done 4 stone that way! The last part is so very hard to lose hence the switch to low carb. I don't actually weigh any different than I did a year so - I've gained and lost a few here and there.
I understand that this needs to be a way of life but (dare I ask...) will I every eb able to eat carbs again? I'm fine now but when I reach my goal weight (if.....) what happens then? Or is It meat and veg forever?
(Btw isn't it expensive?!)
Sorry if sounding negative I'm really pleased with how it's going at the moment and fairs fair i am not hungry!

BIWI Wed 10-Jul-13 22:38:57

The thing about doing this is that if, when you reach your target weight, you revert to what you used to eat before - i.e. a high carb diet - then you will pile the weight back on again.

This is just the same as if you were doing a low calorie diet - if you revert to eating loads of calories, you will pile the weight back on.

However, the difference is that with low carbing, you aren't affecting your metabolism in the same way as if you are restricting your calories. When you restrict your calories you are effectively starving your body, so it slows your metabolism down. But, and this is the big but, your metabolism slows down disproportionately to the reduction in calories. So when your diet is 'finished', and you increase your calories (even if you don't massively pig out), your metabolism remains lower, so your body can't cope with this increase.

This is why you see the whole 'yo yo' effect from low calorie dieting - each time you revert to 'normal' eating, you end up putting weight on - and it gradually increases each time you diet/cut your calories.

This won't happen with low carbing, as you aren't starving your body of nutrition.

However, it is carbohydrate that makes you fat. So you have to be able to work out how much carbohydrate you can eat without gaining weight.

And this is the difficult thing with carbs - everyone is different. There is no daily amount that everyone should be aiming for. Some people can't tolerate very many carbs, others can tolerate a relatively high level.

The general rule of thumb (according to Dr John Briffa) is that you should aim to eat no more than 100g carbs per day. My trainer says that you shouldn't eat more than 30g carbs at any one meal.

In reality, this means that you have to be pretty careful - a meal of lasagne and garlic bread, washed down with a vat of red wine, for example, is likely to be too carby!

That said, the odd 'blip' isn't likely to make much difference, as long as you're not including masses of carbs at every meal, every day.

MustTidyUpMustTidyUp Wed 10-Jul-13 22:52:44

Thank you for taking the time to give such a thorough response Biwi. It makes absolute sense. I'm clearer now.

BIWI Wed 10-Jul-13 22:56:24

My pleasure. Hope it helps.

thenightsky Wed 10-Jul-13 23:07:00

Just checking in to say I've done the survey.

Not really contributed to these threads since I finished the New Year 2013 10 week plan, where I lost everything I needed to. Since we finished in mid-March I haven't gained anything, apart from 2lb on a week's holiday in May, which I lost within a week of getting home. Last week I was in Barcelona, where I gained 2lb. Again, today, I'm back where I should be.

This is now my way of eating. I know that the odd carby meal no more than once a week has no effect on me. My wine consumption has gone down massively and I never touch beer, lager or cider any more and don't miss it.

I think my tiny holiday gains, despite curries, paella, pizza etc is down to the fact that my body now burns the few carbs I eat, rather than storing them. BIWI - does that sound plausible?

Alambil Wed 10-Jul-13 23:23:55

Hello everyone smile

I fancy trying this out... but I'm confused.

Last time I did low-carb on my own (well, with nutrition/personal trainer bod) and was not allowed fat either so I could lose weight, so what's the deal with all the butter / full fat yoghurts etc?

I thought low-carbing meant high protien, carbs for breakfast (say porridge) and then less carbs at lunch, even less at dinner, ever increasing protien intake so that keeps you fuller for longer?

oh and I was told no caffeine, no sugar (like in tea), no fizz (diet coke etc) and other things.... does that matter now?

thenightsky Wed 10-Jul-13 23:28:58

You need to eat fat to lose fat apparently. Well it's worked for me.

Porridge would be far too carby!

No sugar in drinks! We are weaning ourselves away from sugar, which includes artificial sweeteners (diet coke, lemonade etc) as you need to lose that sweet taste craving and diet drinks keep feeding that dependency.

BIWI Wed 10-Jul-13 23:29:57

LewisFan - a low carb diet should be a high fat one. You should be eating food in the following proportions - fat:protein:carbohydrate. No idea why your trainer would have told you to do it without eating fat. That's now how it works! Eating high fat/high protein/low carb keeps your blood sugar levels stable, which means you produce less insulin, which also means you lay down less fat and feel less hungry.

And it's not about different levels of carbs at different meal times - it's about low carb all day and all the time.

Caffeine is debatable - some will tell you to cut it out/some will tell you it's fine. Ultimately I think it's up to you to decide if it has an effect on you/your weight.

Definitely no sugar. That means sugar in its obvious forms - raw sugar, chocolate, sweets, etc, but also fruit and high carb veg like potatoes.

Diet Coke is also a 'no no' because it's artificial, but also because it can impede weight loss as well.

Have a read of Bootcamp rules and see what you think!

Alambil Wed 10-Jul-13 23:40:56

ah thanks

I've broken my diet coke addiction (seriously - I used to have 3l a day... can now go days without any at all) but am struggling to find other things to drink; I can't bear water (it comes out the tap white!) and tastes weird...

fruit juice is too sugary/carby, isn't it? sad

I don't do tea/coffee either so that's easy enough for me grin

also, is there a list of veg I can copy down? I hate trying to figure things out for myself! Last time, root veg were out and dark green / green veg in - see why I'm confused!

StuntNun Thu 11-Jul-13 01:49:53

Thanks for the big stick feedback BIWI. I didn't realise the black pudding and pear were so carby shock I thought pear was an 'allowed in moderation' food. I'm only on week 4 of this woe so it's still a learning curve at this point. Maybe next time I go on holiday I should pack my scales! I only have one more day of staying with SIL then we'll be going to a holiday apartment so I'll have better control there (and no BIL tempting me with beer). I have a Tesco delivery scheduled with all my primal faves.

Xenia Thu 11-Jul-13 07:02:24

Lewis, the bootcamp rules are here

the veg carb counter is here Stick with those 3g or under 3. It is a good reminder for me (am eating a lot of butter nut squash (and sometimes carrots) at present and I can see why now as they are higher carb) - not so good.

Avocado flesh1.9
Runner beans2.3
Green pepper2.6
Baby sweetcorn2.7
Brussels sprouts3.5
French beans4.7
Yellow pepper5.3
Orange/red pepper6.4
Ginger (peeled)7.2
Butternut squash7.5
Bean sprouts16

daisychicken Thu 11-Jul-13 07:30:20

lewis try putting the water in the fridge & drinking when cold - it somehow changes the chemical taste & is nice cold!

Badvoc Thu 11-Jul-13 07:39:33

<slopes in>
Ok, so after losing a stone last summer and feeling much better I fell off the wagon in a big way sad
Much family illness and parts of the house falling down sad
So, I'm back, although I have just realised I have cocked up already this morning as I have had coffee with skim milk!
Will have scrambled egg later for brunch and salad for dinner.
Am on hols next week but am determined not to let that give me more excuses!
I think I have a major issues with mum is coeliac. If I can cut wheat out that will be a major plus.
I did briffa last year and it seemed to work for me.
I also have a wedding to go t in 2 weeks so would be nice to lose a bit before that.
I find - with water - that adding ice and slice really helps make it more interesting.
Good to be back smile

captainmummy Thu 11-Jul-13 08:27:35

Hi Badvoc!

I've been filling a jug with water for the fridge, adding lemon slice/orange peel/mint/cucumber/strawbery slices - any combination of these is nice!

Xenia Thu 11-Jul-13 08:33:26

If you can move to just liking water that is best (as we are avoiding fruit so making your water sweet is not going to be a great help). It takes 3 weeks to break a habit so forcing yourself just to have water for that period will solve this for life. I used to think I could never just drink water and the children were the same but now it's all we drink and I cannot remember why I used to need it with squash in it etc.

BIWI Thu 11-Jul-13 08:44:40

Welcome back Badvoc flowers

Your house falling down would appear to me to be a pretty major reason why you might fall off the wagon - not an excuse! Good luck with it.

Lewis - welcome! Hopefully Bootcamp rules will make things easy for you. One thing I have realised, though, is that they don't explicitly tell you what you shouldn't be eating, and that they assume you know what things are too high in carbs. (I am going to adjust them for the next Bootcamp to make it much clearer!)

So - you must not eat any of the following:

fruit (none at all in the first two weeks, and after the first two weeks you can include some berries)

erikab922 Thu 11-Jul-13 09:41:54

I very stupidly decided to read Dr Briffa's book the day after my husband did a big shop of our normal food, so I've been lurking and gaining tips for when we need to shop again (Monday) so I can get the right food.

Because it's sooo much cheaper we are trying to buy more from Aldi. They don't really do a lot of branded food - I read in another thread on here that Total full-fat yogurt is less carb-y than some others but I really can't be doing with going to several different places to shop as this can be a real de-motivator for me. Is there anyone low-carbing who also shops at Aldi who can tell me if their greek yogurt is OK (and also if there are any other goodies there I should be on the lookout for?).

BIWI thanks so much for all of your wonderful work!

Oh, can I sneak in another question? Is there anyone doing 5:2 along with low-carb?

I actually managed a dairy-free day yesterday (no cheese or my fave greek yogurt)

B: scrambled egg, mushrooms fried in butter
L: Green salad with dressing, avocado, smoked salmon, mayonnaise
D: Roasted marrow, ratatoille, fried egg

I'm hoping a few days of dairy-free could kick-start a "whoosh".

I had a compliment today from a mum at school that I've really lost weight though! Hooray!

BlackAffronted Thu 11-Jul-13 10:20:33

erika, Ive no idea about Aldi, but Lidl do a cheap low carb greek yog.

BIWI Thu 11-Jul-13 10:40:07

Welcome, erika! Best thing to do is to check the label. If I recall, Total is something like 3.5g carbs per 100g. (Sorry, am in the car so can't check).

LadyMaryCrawley Thu 11-Jul-13 10:44:13


Can I join please? I'm going to sign up for the next boot camp but wanted to unlurk before then :-)

I'm on week 8 of low carbing and have lost about 20 lbs so far and today I got into my size 16 jeans which haven't fit me for four years and I've had a baby since then! Still got another 4st to lose though!

My dh is lactose intolerant and so we get the lacto free milk instead of normal milk. It contains 3g carbs per 100 ml, is it ok to use in tea and coffee etc? I have cream with my decaf coffee but cream in tea is just wrong!

NigellasGuest Thu 11-Jul-13 11:00:08

I managed last night with no alcohol at all so that's a good start for me!

erikab922 Thu 11-Jul-13 12:15:02

Thanks BlackAffronted, we don't have a Lidl near us unfortunately. My neighbour has Aldi greek yogurt so just checked and it's 4.9/100g. Is that too high for induction/low-carb in general? I was looking at have it most mornings for breakfast.

captainmummy Thu 11-Jul-13 13:03:49

Xenia - putting an orange peel in water doesn't make it sweet, it makes it orangey. Likewise cucumber/mint etc. Even strawberry slices flavour the water without sweetening it, and we don't eat the fruit after. (and strawberries are allowed on BC light)

BIWI - you need to add OATS to your list of stuff not allowed, as DP thinks he can eat porridge.

And anything made with wheat/flour

Alambil Thu 11-Jul-13 13:08:23

Thanks for the list!

I will have a proper read layer and think. I think last v time I did low gi more than low carb

is there an explanation is the benefits to low carbing?

Sorry for all the questions!!

Alambil Thu 11-Jul-13 13:08:47

oops sorry for any typos

MollyMollyMolly Thu 11-Jul-13 13:08:55

Hello Ladies,
Lovely day again out there.
Did the survey yesterday. BIWI......if you don't mind me asking....have you considered doing a Low Carb continuation thread for those who have succeeded in their weight loss and now can add carbs up to their tolerant value but still need a support thread? Or even for those not wanting to start at bootcamp but want to start in stage 2 where nuts and berries and flaxseed cereal etc is allowed? smile

BIWI Thu 11-Jul-13 13:14:45

Lewis have a read of this as a starter for ten

Molly I sort of think that these ongoing chat threads will do that, really! And even when we get the next Bootcamp thread going, lots of people who are maintaining will join in, or those who are already doing Bootcamp Light.

Setting up another thread makes things a bit more complicated - there's already a recipe thread and a questions thread! (And I'm on here quite enough as it is grin!)

BIWI Thu 11-Jul-13 13:15:40

Lewis - don't worry about all the questions! It's important that you know/are committed to what you're doing. Ask away. If I'm not here, there's usually someone else who can help you.

BIWI Thu 11-Jul-13 13:17:27
MollyMollyMolly Thu 11-Jul-13 13:30:50

BIWI thanks for the reply. I just felt a bit awkward putting down my food for the day because im doing bootcamp light as my starting point and didn't want to derail your thread. But if its ok then I will continue. smile I can see how much time you give to this thread and its lovely so "thankyou" flowers

BIWI Thu 11-Jul-13 13:32:44

It's my pleasure, honestly! And yes, definitely keep posting here grin

MustTidyUpMustTidyUp Thu 11-Jul-13 13:52:14

For those who are struggling with water try sparkling. After 10 days I no longer want squash and am happy with sparkling water with a slice of lime and ice. Aldi do 4 2l bottles for 90p.

Alambil Thu 11-Jul-13 14:28:29

Another stops question...

How does eating fats like butter and full fat option things work?

It seems counter intuitive... Unless I'm just daft lol

Alambil Thu 11-Jul-13 14:31:33

stops = stupid!!

Yama Thu 11-Jul-13 14:36:38

Yes LewisFan - it seems counter-intuative because we've all been sold the lie that eating fat = getting fat. It doesn't. In fact, starving out body of fats can cause numerous problems. It took me a while to re-set my way of thinking too.

There's a spreadsheet somewhere with lots of reading on it. Oh, and a brilliant lecture on Youtube explaining the science behind weight gain being caused by sugar/carbs.

NewStartNewStory Thu 11-Jul-13 14:41:45

Thing is people don't realise that fats are needed in essential processes like repairing DNA etc stuff that stops you from aging. You need fat in your diet other wise you can be more prone to being ill. I can't recall all of the details and i did once know all the chemical pathways but that was pre ds and my brain seems to have suffered rot since then.

Having a really good day today. even drank coffee with no sugar/sweetner shock never thought that was possible. grin feeling like crap due to med combination atm and looking forward to some cooler at night for sleeping weather.

Yama Thu 11-Jul-13 14:42:49

I can't find the spreadsheet but this explains it.

I didn't need to lose much weight but the benefits for me have been:

No more sore stomachs
Much more energy
Better sleep
Clear skin
Periods cramps a thing of the past
Lighter periods
Never being hungry

The only drawback is that my work colleagues think I'm weird/obsessive.

maidofmess Thu 11-Jul-13 15:52:41

Hi all
Am back on bootcamp again, after bit of a falling off/carb creepiness (the odd piece of fruit, too many glasses of wine and even crisps last night). Interestingly, still no desire whatsoever to eat bread or pasta (or rice). I think my tolerance for carbs and probably dairy too pretty low, which is quite dispiriting, and I do miss fruit.
Would also be interested to hear if anyone combining low carb and 5:2. A friend of mine looking really good on 5:2 (not low carbing), so does seem to work, whereas after my initial loss of 12lbs, have been stuck around same level for ages. Think sadly need to give up cheese.
Also, is it a bad thing not to eat breakfast? Am just not hungry most mornings.

BIWI Thu 11-Jul-13 17:15:36

maid - if you can make sure that you get back on the wagon properly, and you know that you have definitely switched yourself from carb-burning to fat-burning, then by all means give breakfast a miss if you're not hungry. But make sure that this doesn't lead to you getting really hungry later on and making bad food choices!

I have sort of combined 5:2 and low carbing, that I was low carbing when I tried 5:2! It would make sense that the two would fit together, given the impact that low carbing has on your appetite - it should make it easier. For me, I just became too focussed on/obsessed with calories, in a very short space of time, and I hate being like that.

BIWI Thu 11-Jul-13 17:16:50
Badvoc Thu 11-Jul-13 17:24:03

Survey done x

NigellasGuest Thu 11-Jul-13 17:44:16

I have also done the survey - looks like plans are afoot!

Alambil Thu 11-Jul-13 20:31:29

thanks - am wading my way through the reading grin

as an aside, will this prevent / help etc diabetes type - whichever one isn't insulin injections?

My dad's just been diagnosed and my grandfather also had insulin diabetes... I'm a little worried!

BIWI will you be sharing the results of the survey with us when its finished?

I enjoyed that N Y Times article, thanks

Badvoc Thu 11-Jul-13 20:35:24 I understand it - the fact this woe is no/low sugar is the main diabetes protection.
My dad has just been dx as pre diabetic so I have been trying to talk him into low carb.

StuntNun Thu 11-Jul-13 20:48:21

Too much processed meat today but I'm back to my own devices tomorrow.

B: Greek yoghurt and two slices of ham
S: pork scratchings
L: rump steak, gammon, baby back of ribs, mushrooms and watercress (yummy lunch out)
D: two sausages and a minuscule portion of carrots (dinner was bangers and mash so had to make the best of it) followed by a small bowl of strawberries and cream

MustTidyUpMustTidyUp Thu 11-Jul-13 20:54:04

B: cold sausage and 2 pastryless egg and cheese tartlets. Coffee with cream.
L: salad with boiled egg and lardons creamy dressing
D: chicken shish kebab with double salad and no pitta
S: pork scratchings
And I'm going to have a small white wine spritzer.

Still not weighing any different than a week ago. Is this normal or am I having too many creamy coffees?

Alambil Thu 11-Jul-13 20:56:40

how the bleddy hell am I meant to drink 5l water a day? I'll live on the loo!! (ignoring the fact that I can't BEAR water... fizzy or flat! - I think I'll have to buy water and fridge it sad )

prettybird Thu 11-Jul-13 20:59:23

Can you drink green tea or rooibos (red bush) tea or other herbal teas? That's another way of getting your H2O in.

Alambil Thu 11-Jul-13 21:04:07

I can't bear tea or coffee or hot drinks; they make me feel ill

I'll just have to drown myself!

I am quite surprised that it needs SO much water... are they SURE I need FIVE LITRES a day?! Really?! my poor cells will explode!

prettybird Thu 11-Jul-13 21:08:01

It helps with the ketosis/fat burning.

You could try cucumber water - people have commented that it is amazingly tasty.

Alternatively, get a sports water bottle and take lots of small sips over the day. You might not notice it as much.

I read somewhere the fat burning grinds to a halt if you don't drink lots of water. Which is a motivating thought! (and yes I do need to go to the loo more often now...)

Alambil Thu 11-Jul-13 21:39:55

I guess it's my fault for being 21st!

Alambil Thu 11-Jul-13 21:43:33

sorry - me again... are vegetables rationed? or rather, is the level of carb overall rationed?

Negroni Thu 11-Jul-13 21:51:57

Urgh today I feel like throwing in the towel. Since having carbs last Sat and Sunday I seem not to be able to get back on track. I am gaining weight - 4lbs up since last Sat- and just don't seem to be able to get back into ketosis. I feel peckish a lot of the time but have got back on the wagon but seem powerless to stop this weight gain.

All a bit depressing as since Tuesday have been back on low carbs with only the odd milky coffee or small lump of cheese, which makes me think I can only lose when on very low carbs, no dairy. Since Tuesday have gained another 1.5 lbs to add to the 2.5 I had gained since Saturday. The way I am eating now would really be pretty low carb for most people and the thought that this WOE only works when I am really strict is a bit gutting.

Sorry for the rant, it went on longer than I meant. For those of you just starting, this does really work as a way of losing weight without deprivation, so welcome! It just doesn't seem to be working for me at the moment and not sure how to sort it out. Stopping weighing myself for a bit might be a good idea!

Scarletohello Thu 11-Jul-13 21:53:10

Hi all, great to see all these success stories! I did Atkins about 7 years ago, people were at first v sceptical and hostile to it and work colleagues were incredulous that I kept cream in the fridge at work instead of milk. But... they stopped laughing when the weight dropped off me and I lost 2 stone! Eventually 5 of us formed a support group at work and took turns to make lunch. I got down to 9 stone 3 and was so happy! But eventually all the propaganda about how fat was bad for you etc got to me and I went back to my old ways. And put the weight back on. And more! It's so much easier to do this with support ( and I have some great recipes...), So onwards and upwards!!

Negroni Thu 11-Jul-13 21:54:15

Lewis- if you stick to vegetables that are under 3g carbs per 100g you should not have to ration them.

MustTidyUpMustTidyUp Thu 11-Jul-13 22:03:19

negroni sorry you are struggling. Keep a food diary? Post it here? What's your worst time of day? For me it's the evening and I love to watch telly / mumsnet an drink wine and snack. So I do Zumba twice a week and eat dinner later the evenings I'm not out so no time for grazing. Can you find a way to fill your difficult time? Or is it picking?
(Hope you don't think I'm teaching my grandmother to suck eggs, although new to low carb I'm a seasoned (and successful!) loser) grin

MustTidyUpMustTidyUp Thu 11-Jul-13 22:04:01

Are you joining us then scarlett?

Alambil Thu 11-Jul-13 22:07:10

is there any evidence that the long term fat content of the diet doesn't do damage? (can't get my head round it)!

I've been dieting for the past 10 years... I can't get past the "Atkins is dangerous / Fat is Bad / Ketosis is Not Good" stuff ... I "get" low GI - how is this diet different to that?

Scarletohello Thu 11-Jul-13 22:20:37

Yes would love to! The broadsheet looks a bit intimidating tho....

Scarletohello Thu 11-Jul-13 22:21:15

Also is there a place where people post recipes?

Negroni Thu 11-Jul-13 22:31:41

Musttidyup- thanks. I think that before I was well into the way of eating and so did not feel very hungry most of the time, did not crave anything and so long as I did not tempt myself by say sitting in a cake shop I was fine.

Now I do not feel fine, I feel like having nuts or wine or berries and cream. And i think it is making me gain weight which is infuriating as it isn't as if I am drinking a bottle of wine or eating cream cakes or having fish and chips which would be a lot more fun!

MustTidyUpMustTidyUp Thu 11-Jul-13 22:56:06

I hear you negroni. It is not fair. This is not just something those of us that struggle with weight say, it is true. Some people have to be so very careful or pile on the pounds.
But, bottom line for me is that I am happy when I am not so fat and less so when heavier. So it's worth the sacrifice. Sometimes you have to remind yourself of that.
I need rules. Do you? If so why don't you go back to boot camp for a fortnight? Be really strict. You know after a few days you will be ok.

thenightsky Thu 11-Jul-13 22:56:45

Lewis I had a blood test last Nov which showed my cholesterol level as 4.2. I started boot camp on 7th Jan and have continued to low carb ever since. At the beginning of June I had another blood test and my cholesterol was bang on 4, a drop of 0.2. That is after six months of eating butter, cream, mayo, etc.

MustTidyUpMustTidyUp Thu 11-Jul-13 22:57:49

scarlet it's worth reading the links on the top of the broadsheet even if you don't fill it in. Start tomorrow. smile

Negroni Thu 11-Jul-13 23:36:23

MustTidyUp- you are right. I have eaten and drunk too much of the wrong stuff and now I am just having a tantrum about the fact that it has not ended well. The weight will go down again if I can get strict with things again I will just have to do this.

throws toys out of pram at unfairness of it all

BIWI Thu 11-Jul-13 23:40:55

Lewis there is no evidence to show that fat is bad for us. We have been fed a lie for the last 30 years or so. Did you read the link that I posted? Have a watch of this. This should help explain why eating a low fat diet is no good for you

milliemoomay Fri 12-Jul-13 00:00:54

Hi all.. I've been away at a conference so I'm now trying to catch with everyone's stories. I've got to about page 3 - wow to us all for doing our absolutely utmost - truly some amazing achievements. Big thanks to Biwi and Willie for all their chivving (sp) and help.

Conferences are odd's almost like a competition to see how many biscuits one can scoff in 2 days! I'm pleased to report that not a crumb passed these pearly whites grin but I did struggle with finding LC food (or more to the point, trying to avoid the carbs). It was loaded with it. At one point, I even had to scrape out the egg mayo in the sandwiches as that was all there was. I think they thought I was a bit eccentric wink

My weigh in before the conference was done another lb so in total I lost 6 lbs on BC- however, I started WOE a few weeks before and in total I have lost exactly a stone. The best part is that I'm determined to lose another 10 lbs and know that it will happen soon <theme from Rocky plays as I punch the air>

One question - what's the fruit-eating recommendation now, i.e on a long term basis?

bunjies Fri 12-Jul-13 07:02:51

Hi, am delurking as have started low carbing again after a break of 2 years. Lost 2.5 stone on it before but am a real tortoise so it took 2 years to get there. Kind of lost motivation in the end as became a slave to the scales. When the numbers didn't move in the right direction it affected my mood. Anyway weight has crept up & have gained a stone. Trying to lose with 5:2 but my food choices on normal days weren't great. Also feeling generally unhealthy. So, started back on it again on monday with dh who doesn't need to lose any weight but wants to feel healthier. Have also ditched the scales and am only measuring my waist as that is my biggest problem.

I do have a question about avocados. Are they suitable for bootcamp stage?

BIWI Fri 12-Jul-13 07:24:20

millie - you can introduce berries now if you wish - just keep an eye on quantities though, as they can quickly become carby.

bunjies - Avocado is a funny one - carb counts vary enormously which must be to do with the variety - but I think they are fine for Bootcamp; best advice is probably not to go too mad. Half an avocado here and there should be fine

Yama Fri 12-Jul-13 08:20:00

Morning everyone.

Two year old ds was up most of the night. Sweaty but cold. Wouldn't stop crying but couldn't tell us what was sore. Just seemed really angry. He eventually dropped off at about 3.30am. Back up at 7am.

I am going to have a lot of coffee today.

Breakfast was scrambled eggs with butter, coconut oil and parma ham.

Lunch will be sausages and salad.

Dinner will be a buffet at the pre-wedding soiree. Dh and I have packed a few of those Lidl pepperami type snacks in case the buffet is cabtastic.

Negroni - I can't have much dairy either. I also find that after a carby weekend, the weight gain doesn't hit all at once but rather over a few days. It should come off again.

captainmummy Fri 12-Jul-13 08:26:45

Negroni - i can't eat too much dairy either. My dp someties buys me Lidl greek yog (as a 'treat' - yeah, thanks!) and i love it so much i can eat the entire 1000ml in 2 days. And put on 1lb. (not so much of a treat then)

lewisfan definitely watch that link. I have type II diabetes and all my blood results have improved massively in this woe, including my cholesterol. Interestingly low GI/GL never really worked for me, and having tried to read up on it a bit, I am not at all convinced by the science behind it!

Xenia Fri 12-Jul-13 09:07:49

BIWI's link to the long article about fat (above - page before) is worth reading too. I enjoyed that I suppose because it supported all my own views.

Negroni Fri 12-Jul-13 09:58:22

Thanks for the sympathy. Drama queen that I am, I am lapping it up. Today I am down a lb, so now just three pounds up from last Saturday. I am drinking a bulletproof coffee - well i just have it with coconut oil.

I feel a lot better today, cravings wise. All week I have been wanting to eat slices of buttery toast with peanut butter etc and jacket potatoes with baked beans and cheese- things i never usually want on this WOE, but thankfully this seems to have passed.

Avocados - I can totally imagine they have different carb counts. I usually get small ones that are easy to mash etc but the other day I bought a big one from the greengrocer's and the flesh was very fibrous like a pumpkin - am sure that was an evil carby one!

captainmummy you have written what I have started to suspect about myself - yes greek yogurt has been being my treat. I've cut it (and cheese) out the last couple of days and I feel like I'm losing weight properly again. I feel more like I've been maintaining for the last 2 or 3 weeks. I am going to have to actually go out and buy a set of scales and then I can test this out for real.

But - maintaining is good too! Once I've lost a bit more then I can definitely welcome the cheese and yogurt back in. I am more and more convinced by the things that article was saying - that since the 70s/80s we've been sold a pup about carbs/fat - I used to see carbs as neutral and necessary, nutritionally - now I see them as the problem. They put the weight on, then cause cravings so we eat even more! I'd like to think I will never go back to a way of eating that is carb-heavy.

Negroni Fri 12-Jul-13 10:24:29

Also, as a child I really struggled to eat carbs in any quantities. I used to eat the fillings out of sandwiches, didn't like chips or potatoes in most forms as found them stodgy ditto cake, did enjoy rice in small quantities and chocolate but found most carbs too bulky. I am sure my body just didn't want carbohydrates in large amounts but sadly i grew used to them. Oh and also didn't like milk as a drink either.

couch25cakes Fri 12-Jul-13 10:34:25

I can't imagine ever fancying a bullet proof coffee -coffee with butter in? shock

Meals for Weds:
B- bacon, 2 cherry tomato
L- salad with chopped black farmer sausage, mayo
D - kebab minus the pitta, salad

B - bacon, fried egg, 2 cherry tomato
L - salad with corned beef
D- home made mousaka type thing with aubergine and leeks

Breakfast today was a pepperami and little bit of cheese, it was one of those mornings. We're going for curry tonight and I will drive I think rather than haivng a drink for a change as i really want another pound off. I love the feeling of being so in control, and knowing more or less exactly what I need to do to lose a lb a week. Am off to waitrose at lunchtime today in search of coconut oil -I might try that in a coffee...

Negroni Fri 12-Jul-13 10:54:29

couch do try it! It just tastes like a coconutty coffee. Also coconut oil is solid until over 20-something degrees so does not feel as odd putting a teaspoon of solid white coconut stuff in as opposed to a teaspoon of oily stuff. I just put in a flask and shake about 20 times that produces a frothy/foamy coffee. Also with butter... my brain has just got used to this. I also put it in from the fridge so only melts in the shaking process. I just see butter as cream that has been shaken a bit more, coffee and butter just a shake or 2 away from coffee and cream.

Or maybe I have just been brainwashed!

bunjies Fri 12-Jul-13 12:28:14

Thanks for the replies about avocados. Yes, the reason I asked is because of the differing carb counts. Anyway, I'll probably get some after the first 2 weeks are up as the fats are so good for you.

Also wanted to say how brilliant these threads are. Thanks BIWI et al thanks

BIWI Fri 12-Jul-13 12:43:33

It is my pleasure!

captainmummy Fri 12-Jul-13 12:58:54

Negroni - good way to look at it; butter is cream just with a bit more shaking! (and draining).

I am so not hungry today - breakfast was usual rooibos tea with coconut oil, lunch has been a few macadamia nuts and I'm having another rooibos with coconut oil - it really fills me up for ages.

Off to tesco for something for tea

NewStartNewStory Fri 12-Jul-13 14:23:42

I have a question about this woe and antibiotics. Can you be more susceptible to the side effects (tummy wise) when on this woe and has anyone found a way to side step the issue? Preferably without taking anything else. Feeling like I rattle atm with that many meds.

prettybird Fri 12-Jul-13 14:30:30

Berry alert! My raspberries have just started cropping..... blush

daisychicken Fri 12-Jul-13 14:46:04

Newstart - I've been fine with antib's while LC. I just make sure I have something to eat - just something small if not up to a meal with whatever meds I need (unless specifically states on an empty tum).

I have noticed though that if I have too much fat within a meal... I get horrible tummy ache, so I am having to watch cheese, cream, oils, butters etc

Couch - I agree with the coffee & oil....

NewStartNewStory Fri 12-Jul-13 14:55:46

these abs are having a very erm, cleansing effect (tmi) working a treat though cos other then that am feeling 100% better then yesterday. Suppose i need to check what is in them other then the ab itself. I can have an issue with lactose (although have been better on this woe) so it might mean i have to cut the dairy down a tad. yes i know lactose is not great for this woe and I am considering negotiating only a 5 day course rather then taking the full 7days I was prescribed

NewStartNewStory Fri 12-Jul-13 15:00:16

nope no lactose, which is why i have these ones. hmm

captainmummy Fri 12-Jul-13 15:49:39

NSNS - glad you are feeling better smile

Prettybird - mine are too ! Just as well we can eat berries on bc Light!

prettybird Fri 12-Jul-13 16:01:27

....yes, but how many??!! wink

QueenQueenie Fri 12-Jul-13 18:04:00

Hi Bootcampers. Have been lurking a bit and had a read of the spreadsheet... Have needed to lose a significant amount of weight for a long time and suddenly feel motivated to have a go. The only thing that has worked for me in the distant past has been low carbing, so here I am. Am pretty ignorant and have ?s.
Oats? can I eat oats / oatcakes / porridge at all? <hopeful>

MustTidyUpMustTidyUp Fri 12-Jul-13 19:22:46


BlackAffronted Fri 12-Jul-13 19:23:04

No oats sad

MustTidyUpMustTidyUp Fri 12-Jul-13 19:23:32

And welcome Queenie grin

NewStartNewStory Fri 12-Jul-13 19:31:55

No oats but you can have leeks fried in butter with left over chicken drumstick meat diced into it with a generous spoonful of philadelphia melted through it before it is dump served on top of cauliflower and grated cheese added on top [yum]grin

MustTidyUpMustTidyUp Fri 12-Jul-13 20:12:02

I just had a lovely tea. I roasted cauliflower cut into small florets in olive oil until golden and crispy. Then mixed in some cream/Philly mixed with a little vinegar (had no sour cream) some spring onions chopped and 2 slices of crispy bacon in small bits. Then in oven dish and covered in grated cheese (not too much) then back in oven for 10 mins or so.

MustTidyUpMustTidyUp Fri 12-Jul-13 20:15:35

B: leftover sausage, braised cabbage and a hard boiled egg with some mayo
L: tin of salmon mashed with mayo and salad
D: cauliflower bake as above.
I'm drinking a little wine smile

Potential diet crisis tomorrow. DH and I are going to a swish hotel for the night. A lovely gift from my family. Our first night away from our children (6,4 and 2).
It's going to be lovely but the food looks lovely!!

captainmummy Fri 12-Jul-13 20:26:40

Musttidyup - it's a hazard! Can you choose the least carby and give DH the carbs? Or just write it off....

i've had bubble and sqeak for tea! leftover cabbage, sausages, leek, bacon - with coleslaw.

StuntNun Fri 12-Jul-13 20:47:38

Oh no, LC fail. confused We ordered Indian takeaway for dinner and I chose lamb kebab with mushrooms and green pepper. Well the mushrooms weren't too bad but the green pepper turned out to be red pepper and the kebab came in a syrupy sauce. No rice or nan though, I had sides of okra and aubergine. However it was all delicious so I ate entirely too much. I suspect I'm going to have a carb crisis tomorrow.

MustTidyUpMustTidyUp Fri 12-Jul-13 21:23:18

Yes captainmummy i figured I could have astral or something and just ask for extra salad no pots etc. I start boot camp light Sunday so I'm hoping there are berries and cream on the pud menu. smile there will be wine.

MustTidyUpMustTidyUp Fri 12-Jul-13 21:24:36

Btw, what is a bulletproof coffee and what is its purpose?

MustTidyUpMustTidyUp Fri 12-Jul-13 21:31:35

Astral? confused steak

Cherrypi Sat 13-Jul-13 10:16:55

Right starting this today. Had full fat yoghurt for breakfast and am amazed I'm not hungry yet. Normally eat a biscuit after finishing my breakfast coffee shock Is a slice of lime in my water going to do much damage?

Secondsop Sat 13-Jul-13 10:49:14

Hello I've been reading for a while and posted a couple of messages but want to properly say hello. I've been low carbing since early May and have lost 11lb so far which I know isn't particularly speedy but I am very happy with it as I normally fall off a way of eating after 3 months but am very happy with this. I first tried low carbing last year when we were struggling to conceive but didnt lose much weigjt as it was so hormonally effective that it regulated my periods and got me pregnant within 4 months. i got gestational diabetes during pregnancy (thankfully it didnt linger after birth)and had huge blood pressure problems, both of which were a massive wake up call to me as I know I'm down a bad path if I don't do something. I'm now determined to improve my health. I am a size 20-22 weighing just under 20 stone so I've a long haul ahead of me.

ericka asked a question about aldi. I don't know about the yoghurt but I do a lot of shopping there primarily: veg, nuts, smoked salmon and fillet salmon, cheeses (I know I'd probably lose weight faster if I dropped the dairy but whilst I can imagine a world without carbs, I can't imagine one without cheese...), salads including the big bags of spinach, and avocados which are cheaper than anywhere else I've found.

StuntNun Sat 13-Jul-13 10:52:27

Cherrypi a slice of line in your water is positively beneficial as it will encourage you to drink more. Also try a slice of cucumber, it's the business!

Cherrypi Sat 13-Jul-13 12:10:44

Ooh will do stuntnun thanks.

primallass Sat 13-Jul-13 15:27:28

I will be jumping back into low carb with two feet tomorrow. We are going to friends' for pizza and wine tonight.

4 weeks until the kids go back to school and I would like to look a whole lot slimmer.

loopyloou Sat 13-Jul-13 15:47:48

Hello to all newcomers smile

Still going strong here. Yesterday I had bacon and eggs for breakfast, tuna mayo with salad for lunch, Babybel for a snack and gammon with a couple of slices of carrot and courgettes fried in butter for dinner.

Today I had bacon, egg and fried mushroom for breakfast, lovely scrambled egg with a little grated cheese for lunch and dinner will be cold gammon with salad. Also planning on making a crust less bacon and egg pie later to have cold tomorrow.

My scales need a new battery so no idea if I'm losing weight or what I weigh but maybe that's best as I get frustrated if I've stuck to this woe and don't lose or gain.

Just marking my place to catch up later. Have been on holiday and ate reasonably low carb though I mindfully enjoyed a risotto cooked by bro's girlfriend who is a great cook, and a lovely pudding at a particularly good restaurant. Both were worth it, as were the free flowing G&Ts! It wasn't a carbtastic holiday anyway though as we were eating salads and BBQs most days.

So I'm ready to get back to stricter behaviour this week.

Hope everyone is ok, I'll catch up on news when I get home!

BIWI Sat 13-Jul-13 16:07:36

loopylou - doesn't sound like you're having much veg with your meals, and there's quite a lot of processed meat going on there ...

Welcome back, Willie!

loopyloou Sat 13-Jul-13 17:10:15

BIWI, usually I have a huge salad for lunch and piles of veg with my dinner, I did yesterday too. I think I am having enough veg. Tonight we're having lots of salad with dinner too. I do have a couple of rashers of bacon for breakfast every day, but compared to the junk I've eaten in the past my diet is much healthier than then I think.

loopyloou Sat 13-Jul-13 18:33:28

Just realised what you mean BIWI, bacon, gammon AND bacon and egg pie. It was bad planning! We haven't had gammon for nearly a year except for once last week and I haven't made bacon and egg pie since last summer. Normally the only bacon we have is a couple of rashers for breakfast smile

BIWI Sat 13-Jul-13 18:45:34


OK - just so long as you keep an eye on that!!!

StuntNun Sat 13-Jul-13 21:11:23

In the interests of complete honesty here goes...

B: Greek yoghurt and strawberries
S: pistachio ice cream (one scoop) and a fudge doughnut blush
L: chicken wings
D: lemon sole, courgettes and mushrooms fried in butter

Alambil Sat 13-Jul-13 23:41:50

when's the next bootcamp? or is it a case of getting off my arse and getting on with it right now?!

Secondsop Sat 13-Jul-13 23:42:54

Here's mine!

Breakfast: scrambled eggs with a little cheddar, half an avocado, smoked salmon.

Lunch: picnicky food: 3 chicken drumsticks, bit of artichoke, 3 little hot peppers stuffed with ricotta, couple of sundried tomatoes and little mozzarella balls, handful salad.

Snack: few salted peanuts and plain almonds.

Dinner: amazingly delicious low carb beef chimichanga: steak, onion, peppers, bit of fresh coriander, spices, stir fried in butter, wrapped in a bean curd sheet (an absolute staple for me) with a bit of creme fraiche and grated cheddar, baked in the oven with more creme fraiche / cheddar mixture on top. Served with salad, tomato salsa and home made guacamole.

NewStartNewStory Sun 14-Jul-13 03:33:32

BIWI what on earth have you done to me? I went on a chocolate raid mission and got as far as taking the stuff into the lounge before it got put back in the fridge and I walked off with a few mini baby bels and a couple of strawberries. shock I no longer actually want chocolate. I used to live off the stuff and atm cos i can't promise to be 100% good 100% of the time I am choosing not to eat it. confused

B: slept through it
L (at nearly tea time): buttered leeks and mushrooms added to 2 eggs scrambled
t: a piece of salmon.

bit light on the veg today blush

It is still 80F in my room according to the thermometer. But i do reckon it is a bit cooler then that, it feels cooler. Just.

newstart woohoo well done for putting that chocolate back!

lewisfan I think BIWI said sept, but if you are ready for for it now, we'll all support you and lots of people also sticking with it. I will be a bit off track this week on occasion but can do the next two weeks superstricy with you?

primallass Sun 14-Jul-13 09:11:50

I am starting today instead of tomorrow. My pizza and wine binge last night has made me put on 1lb. It had better be gone by tomorrow.

BIWI Sun 14-Jul-13 09:19:29

Lewis - the next 'formal' one will be September, but we're all doing it here anyway.

I wouldn't mind a couple of strict weeks, so if you want to start tomorrow, I'll do it with you? Are you ready though? Do you know what you're doing/what you shouldn't be doing?

One of the keys to success is planning ahead, so making sure you have planned your meals, done your shopping, got rid of all those high carb things from the fridge/freezer/cupboards.

BIWI Sun 14-Jul-13 09:20:17

Secondsop what's a bean curd sheet? How many carbs does it have?

NewStart - brilliant on the chocolate front! grin

daisychicken Sun 14-Jul-13 09:23:56

OMG!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! Just weighed myself & then re weighed myself.... 8st12 !!!!!!

Am in shock esp as I had a small piece of birthday cake yesterday! The trick for me is obv to weigh very infrequently and hope for a surprise!

Excellent, I'm in for September. I did Atkins when it was all the rage a few years back. It worked for me and I felt so full of energy. But found it totally confusing and, when I went off the wagon for the inevitable wedding or whatever it was that sidelined me, I found I'd forgotten what I could and couldn't have and it was impossible to pick up the thread again.

loopyloou Sun 14-Jul-13 09:46:00

Secondsop the chimichanga sounds amazing. What's a bean curd wrap?

BerylStreep Sun 14-Jul-13 10:20:48

Daisy that is fab news! Am away on hols at moment so hard to keep up with the thread. Had made lc moussaka to take with us for 2 nights dinner and DH bleeding well left it behind on a cool bag. Sticking to it well, except for all the wine.

BerylStreep Sun 14-Jul-13 10:22:01

Oh, and hello to newcomers!smile

Elenio Sun 14-Jul-13 11:26:12

Just de-lurking to ask if any of you have tried greek yogurt mixed with peanut butter?
I am having this most mornings for breakfast and am hoping its ok!

I use fage (nothing else really compares!) and sainsburys basics pb - it's the cheapest and lowest carb I have found.

I never thought this combination would work but it is delicious!

QueenQueenie Sun 14-Jul-13 11:34:42

Peanut butter?! Can I have that? Really?
Another query... I've seen people talking about coconut oil, so is coconut water / fresh coconut ok? <I love coconut water>
This thread and the other low carb ones are so helpful. Many thanks to you all.

daisychicken Sun 14-Jul-13 11:55:57

Peanut butter is ok - just check its got the lowest carbs (some have sugar added). I'm curious to know what PB and Greek yog taste like!

Sorry Queenie, I don't know about coconut water.. am sure BIWI will be a long soon!

Thanks Beryl. What a pita re left behind food.... I'd be mega cross too! Well done for keeping up with diet - I'm sure wine will be allowed just cause you are on holiday! Just stop when you get back!!! grin

Xenia Sun 14-Jul-13 11:59:02

I don't know about peanut butter. I'd regard it as a fairly processed food with a lot of things added in rather than pure, natural, straight off the tree/animal. In fact on wiki it seems to suggest it has sugar added which would not surprise me like most processed foods -

You can buy coconut oil in Waitrose although I am happy with our usual olive oil or butter. You can buy a fresh coconut, cut it open and drink the juice too although I suspectm ost of the processed ca nned "coconut" liquids are full of junk and you'd be better off confining drinks of water.

prettybird Sun 14-Jul-13 12:00:41

Not all peanut butters have sugar added.

Secondsop Sun 14-Jul-13 12:00:57

BIWI and loopyloo bean curd sheets are thin tofu sheets (well they're really made from the skin formed when tofu is made) and you can get it dried from Chinese supermarkets. 1 big sheet (enough for 1 big square double-wrapped chimichanga or 3-4 spanakopitas) has 2.5g carbs.

It comes in packets and I soak it in cold water for a few minutes before using it in recipes. It also makes a decent lasagne / canneloni substitute.

Xenia Sun 14-Jul-13 12:06:35

May be not (peanut butter) but chek label carefully for dextrose. I have never liked it so I am neutral on it but you don't exactly pick it from trees so it's notlikely to be very natural or good for you. Sunpat:
Roasted Peanuts,Stabilizer (E471) ,Cane Sugar ,Peanut Oil ,Sea Salt ,Total Peanut Ingredients (95%)

So e numbers and cane sugar etc... ugh...

daisychicken Sun 14-Jul-13 12:08:31

I think if you choose the right PB and only have small amounts then its ok - ie I sometimes have PB on celery but I don't have it everyday. Atkins ( if I remember rightly) doesn't recommend nuts in induction and some people do find weight loss stalls because of nuts so it does I think depend on you as to whether you can have it or not. It is processed but its easy enough to make your own nut butters therefore you can control whats in it - just depends if you wish to go down that route!

daisychicken Sun 14-Jul-13 12:11:28

Just googled: 2 cups raw or roasted peanuts pref without salt and 1-2 tblsp oil (peanut oil best but veg oil ok) blended to make peanut butter.

prettybird Sun 14-Jul-13 12:12:04

Ingredients of Whole Earth Crubch peanut butter: roasted peanuts (97%), palm oil, sea salt.

Carbs are 10.1 per 100g. No idea how this compares with other brands - this jar was bought before I started low carbing (hence why it's not been finished yet - no toast to have it on sad) - but even back then, I chose it 'cos I didn't like the sweetened ones.

Alambil Sun 14-Jul-13 13:15:12

ahh September isn't a million miles away - what I'll do is eat "healthy" for July / August (haha!) and then start bootcamp when I've got the rules sorted in my head...

It might take a while for me to get my head round it!

I want to cut down the coke again and chocolate; fallen into a crappy trap with those after cutting them out recently. I KNOW I can do it - I've done it before - it's just DOING it!

What do you all do when you're home alone of an evening, bored rigid and have had 20 years of turning to choc/coke/rubbish/junk for comfort?

eek... sign me up for September! (I might start sooner, but not tomorrow as I'm not 100% sure of the rules yet and need it to be "easy" whilst at work etc so I don't fall off the wagon.

I'll shame myself though - I'm 21st 10lbs today... (morning naked) and am horrified...

Alambil Sun 14-Jul-13 13:20:08

also - allergic to nuts... will that matter?

prettybird Sun 14-Jul-13 13:45:01

Nuts are forbidden in the first two weeks anyway - and are not compulsory thereafter! grin

Try and work out some suitable "treats" to have on hand: whether that be cold chicken legs (skin on), babybels/cheese triangles, hard boiled eggs or whatever.

Also, if you're bored tempted, have a glass of water and wait 15 minutes. That'll have the double benefit of increasing your water consumption and checking to see if you really are hungry.

NewStartNewStory Sun 14-Jul-13 13:47:31

Nope. I don't eat nuts Lewis. Not that i can't but just they dont really bother me if i don't and i find i pick absent mindedly rather then eating because i am hungry when they are in the house.

Alambil Sun 14-Jul-13 14:20:16

brilliant grin

I am a little bit excited... just need to meal plan ridiculously and be ORGANISED! << this bit is the hardest...!

prettybird Sun 14-Jul-13 14:33:00

Watched the Cycle Show today and they had a feature on a guy who had lost (I think) 8 stone over the last couple of years, through a combination of diet and cycling.

He bought a bike through the cycle to work scheme when he was morbidly obese so that he could cycle with his kids. He then started cycling a bit of his commute to work (initially driving most of the way there) and gradually building up from 3 miles to being able to do the whole 10 miles each way.

loopyloou Sun 14-Jul-13 15:22:11

Anyone else having problems viewing the thread? I am using the app so maybe the problem is with the app?

daisychicken Sun 14-Jul-13 15:30:24

No problems via iPad safari Loopy.... I am having connections problems via my router though.... Lol!

Elenio Sun 14-Jul-13 15:32:31

Loopyloou - the app is not working for me on this thread either. I have had to switch to the laptop. App appears to working fine on all other threads though confused

The peanut butter confuses me. Even the ones without added sugar seem to be around 10gr-15gr of carbs per 100gr yet I have just rechecked the sainburys basic one and it has sugar in the ingredients list yet os only 3.9gr of carbs! How is that possible? I am guessing sainsburys have made a mistake on the label.

No more greek yogurt and pb!

prettybird Sun 14-Jul-13 15:45:37

I'm on the app - but an old version of it as I've refused to update not updated it yet 'cos of all the comments.

prettybird Sun 14-Jul-13 15:47:18

Tried Greek yoghurt with a teaspoon of my Whole Earth peanut butter after all the comments.


NewStartNewStory Sun 14-Jul-13 15:49:07

B (about 11am): scrambled eggs and bacon
L (about 3:30pm): broccoli with cheese melted on top
Snacks: a few strawberries

my meals are out but i know I am going to have to eat something proper at 11pm for some meds so it is all abit all over the place atm. Have cheated with a bit of dilute squash with ice in it. But left the ice cream alone shock BIWI you have a lot to answer for! grin

loopyloou Sun 14-Jul-13 16:22:36

Yes I can view other threads too, just not this one. Viewing through Safari now.

For breakfast I had scrambled eggs with fried courgette, a little red pepper and a cherry tomato mixed in, a little grated cheese on top and a tsp of HM mayo

For lunch I had a small slice of bacon and egg pie.

For dinner we're having home made burgers with salad.

prettybird Sun 14-Jul-13 16:27:17

So far today:

Rooibos with a teaspoon of coconut oil.
Greek yoghurt with teaspoon of peanut butter (meh....hmm)
About 10 almonds and 2 brazil nuts
About 10 raspberries from the garden
About 6 cups of tea with milk
Not sure what we'll be having tonight as we're at my dad's but I am sure that there will be carbs and a wine involved.

Yesterday was:
Greek yoghurt, cream, large strawberry and cinnamon
Some almonds (probably more than 10 blush)
2 brazil nuts
2 small pepperami
2 cheese triangles
A small amount of left over Greek salad (cherry tomatoes, cucumber, feta, some tiny bits of red onion and plenty of olive oil)
Griddled rib eye steak with garlic cream cheese, 1/3 onion fried in butter and coconut oil and 6 asparagus spears. And half a bottle of red wine
1/3 punnet of strawberries and cream
About 10 or so raspberries from the garden.wink

daisychicken Sun 14-Jul-13 16:42:32

Elenio - I did a quick google re sainsburys basics PB - you are not the only person to have queried whether the carb count is correct... You could email sainsburys for an answer? Still prob best to keep it as a small treat though..

daisychicken Sun 14-Jul-13 16:45:12

Prettybird - in the words of BIWI.. it doesn't sound as if you are having enough vegetables ;-)

prettybird Sun 14-Jul-13 16:58:47

Yesterday I had plenty - Greek salad as well as asparagus and onion (ooh - and I forgot - some cucumber while I was making up cucumber water) grin. Combined with the berries, I reckon I had enough greenery carbs! smile

Today I'll have plenty by the end of the day - dad always makes a salad alongside the veg smile It's just whether he has made a carb based (eg pasta) meal and/or what he's made for dessert wink Hopefully it'll be strawberries even if they will be pre-sugared again as he knows that ds loves them.

prettybird Sun 14-Jul-13 17:03:42

Meant to say: on Friday I made some really tasty kebabs which dh cooked on the braai. Marinaded chunks of chicken in olive oil and dried basil, then threaded it on to skewers with chunks of courgette, halved cherry plum tomatoes and pieces of red onion. Dh and ds also got red pepper and mushrooms threaded on too UGH

Also made a nice tzatziki with greek yoghurt, cucumber and gralic with a wee bit of olive oil.

timidviper Sun 14-Jul-13 17:25:35

Interesting thing on Sunday Brunch today, they had that historian woman, Ruth something I think who was talking about how they've measured skeletons from all periods and found ancient people who ate primal diet were similar height to today, average woman 5'4". When agriculture took over from hunting and gathering, height fell by about 2 inches to 5'2"

timidviper Sun 14-Jul-13 17:27:15

Ooh prettybird, braai! That takes me back, we lived in Cape Town for a while millions of years ago and used to braai all the time. I still lust after the big steaks we used to eat out there blush

B: scrambled egg and cucumber
L: tuna mayo & salad
D: at a BBQ - monkfish, halloumi, grilled veg on skewers, side salad

B:mushroom omelette
L: Smoked mackerel and salad
D: butternut squash soup. (I know butternut squash not really allowed. But it was in the fridge with a not-too-bad carb count.)

Today I sorted through my clothes and sent many to charity-shop. This included a few trousers that now had a gaping "look how much I've lost" waistline. Brilliant! I still have a pile of trousers in the "still to be slimmed into" pile. I kept one pair of the "big" trousers, they were well-cut and flattering, I kept them as "insurance trousers" just incase I should ever go back to that size. At this point I'm thinking, surely I won't!

Cherrypi Sun 14-Jul-13 18:25:12

Yay the thread is working again in the app. Feeling terrible but that's a good sign right?

Today I've had total Greek yoghurt and a few blueberries for breakfast. A babybel. Lunch - birds eye salmon and lemon and herb sauce with asparagus and broccoli. A few olives. Tea- scrambled eggs, mushrooms and pastrami.

Is that ok?

LadyMaryCrawley Sun 14-Jul-13 19:53:01

Today I ate sugar- free jelly and cream in the beach and it was ace.


LadyMaryCrawley Sun 14-Jul-13 19:53:28

On the beach. Not in it.

Yama Sun 14-Jul-13 20:09:51

Ooh, braai talks me back as well. We spent a few years outside Durban during my childhood. Actually, my parents still say braai as they look back fornlornly.

Timidviper - that's really interesting about primal diet and height.

I'm just back from being away for a wedding. Had a great time. Danced all night at the ceilidh. I definitely drank too much and couldn't avoid a few added carbs but I did resist the buffet (proud).

I reckon I'm about 3lbs up. We shall see tomorrow morning.

Lewisfan and BIWI - I'm going to be strict this week as we are jetting off on holiday on Friday and I want to look nice in the photos. smile

Tomorrow shall be:

Eggs with duck fat for breakfast
Meat and salad with olive oil for lunch
Chicken with cauli rice for dinner

NewStartNewStory Sun 14-Jul-13 20:30:14

I have crumbled and eaten ice cream. first the car blew up, then ds blew up, I have shouted until i have lost my voice, said things I shouldn't have done to the ex about the over tired completely exhausted state he has returned ds in (he will probably have to stay off school tomo he is that bad) angry and the ice cream was for the sore throat/loss of voice i now have. I have not the ability to give a shit about the ice cream. I now have to figure out how to deal with the lack of car, lack of finances to replace car and the lack of public transport but needing to be in nearby towns for medical appointments and stuff. Tomo will be another day and hopefully ds with be less over tired and screamy.

loopyloou Sun 14-Jul-13 21:02:43

Sorry to hear that Newstart, hope you can get the car fixed. How old is your little one? Hope he calms down soon. Remember, we are only conditioned to think eating will help when we feel bad. Have a lovely bath instead. smile

Cherry, when I first started low carb I felt like I had flu from day 3 to 6/7. Then it cleared up completely. My dh was the same. Headaches, general achiness all over, general yuck feeling.

newstart that sounds tough - hope it all seems sortable tomorrow.

L - lettuce, beetroot and feta salad with a sort of horseradish French dressing!
D - lamb kofte, sausages, salad, BBQ courgette and butternut squash

Secondsop Sun 14-Jul-13 21:21:14

Me today:

B: cheesey scrambled eggs with smoked salmon
L: tuna mayo, salad, 3 little ricotta-stuffed peppers, bit of artichoke marinated in oil, 3 sundried tomatoes and 2 tiny mozzarella balls.
S: peanuts and plain almonds
D: mozzarella, tomato, avocado salad with basil oil.

Not much veg there - i'll get back to my usual of roasting a load of veg in the oven and then including that in a couple of days' meals.

NewStartNewStory Sun 14-Jul-13 21:23:51

I suspect the car is a financial write off. repairs will cost more then than the car is worth and it needs so much repairs you might as well replace it because it would be more cost efficient. Not a huge thing considering the car's age and mileage but the timing sucks and i am hoping it is cheeply fixable to keep it going for a few more months to figure out the financial situation a bit better. Will have to see what a mechanic thinks exactly wrong. But all the pretty little lights on the dash board etc suggest it could be electrical. Which automatically starts the £££s adding up.

NewStartNewStory Sun 14-Jul-13 21:25:25

ds is heading towards 9 faster then i like to admit to myself. The ice cream actually soothed my throat. I think i am going to have an early night and see what a good nights sleep does for perspective.

Yama Sun 14-Jul-13 22:20:26

Anyone watching the coverage of the Killers at T in The Park? I saw them there a few years ago and they were amazing. This is bringing back lovely memories.

Last year we said it was our last TIIP as it knackers my back. Maybe I shouldn't say never yet.

StuntNun Sun 14-Jul-13 22:42:59

Lewisfan you won't crave Coke and chocolate because you won't be rushing from one carb 'fix' to the rest. For an evening snack, if you're hungry, you can have celery and peanut butter, or a few (I have 10) salted almonds eaten slowly, or pork scratchings, or celeriac chips or a small quantity of aged cheese.

Cherrypi my carb flu was horrendous. For two or three days I woke feeling as if I had just swum two miles with barely the energy to get downstairs. BUT I think because I'm breastfeeding I was using a lot of calories overnight. If I were to do it again I'd have something on the bedside table to get me going in the morning. Upping your salt intake can get you through the carb flu quicker too. I use Lo Salt to get some potassium as well. I also take a multivitamin and cod liver oil every day.

B: Greek yoghurt, strawberries, bacon, fried mushrooms
L: salad with oily dressing, ham and some cheese
D: two burgers, one sausage, some salad
S: pork scratchings and a smidge more cheese

Negroni Sun 14-Jul-13 23:49:28

Yama - I was watching the Killers! Wish I could see them live.

Spent today at a garden party - was ok with food though the strawberries and cream were my downfall-pretty sure both were sweetened- oops!

Also have had guests - now departed - all weekend. Both DP and I have been quite tired - too much work, not enough childcare - and found cooking stuff with limited carbs for lots of people a bit challenging in our non too lively state. Planning to get back into stricter low carb eating tomorrow.

Yama Mon 15-Jul-13 07:11:04

Negroni - if you ever get the chance, go and see them. Glad someone else was watching.

When we have guests, we throw in a few easy carbs that dh and I just don't eat - rice, flavoured cous cous, crusty bread. For breakfast, we do bacon and eggs but give guests theirs in a roll.

We are going to be staying with friends abroad for a few nights soon and I'm just going to have to eat carbs and remedy when I get back.

Cherrypi Mon 15-Jul-13 08:26:31

Wow I've lost 5 pounds already. Feel dreadful this morning though. I'm breastfeeding too Stuntnun. Hoping the extra creamy coffee will rejuvenate me enough to have a shower.

BIWI Mon 15-Jul-13 08:50:49

Cherrypi - are you doing Bootcamp? If so, you need to ditch those blueberries. No fruit until you've completed the first two weeks!

Sorry you're feeling shit, but that's definitely the carb flu kicking in. As said, make sure you're eating enough salt - make a hot drink with Oxo or Marmite or Bovril - that will help. Also, make sure you're drinking plenty of water and adding a lot of fat into your meals. Your meals sound like that are actually quite low in fat. Are you putting butter on your veg? Are you making scrambled eggs with butter?

NewStart sorry to hear of all your woes sad I finally managed to persuade DH that we needed a new car earlier this year, because ours was just costing so much money ever time something went wrong - and things were going wrong with increasing frequency. Because he never uses the car, he just didn't get how unsettling the whole thing was for me. Not being able to fully rely on it and always worrying it was going to break down. I hope you manage to get it sorted without having to spend too much.

I am back on the wagon today, having consumed too many carbs over the last week or so. Nothing really serious (we're talking about lentils rather than stodgy white bread!), but enough to mean that I know the scales will not be kind to me!

StuntNun Mon 15-Jul-13 08:50:58

If you're breastfeeding overnight Cherry it would definitely be worth having something to eat by your bedside as otherwise your glycogen stores will be critical by morning until you're over the carb flu. I also skipped Bootcamp and went straight to Bootcamp light, I'm staying out of ketosis, and I'm taking Pregnacare Breastfeeding to ensure my nutritive status isn't put at risk by the demands of breastfeeding. I'm amazed that I've been able to lose so much weight (11lb in three weeks) without having any issues with my milk supply when all the advice is that you shouldn't diet while breastfeeding.

BIWI Mon 15-Jul-13 09:00:19

I think the whole point of low carbing though, StuntNun, is that it isn't really 'dieting' in the conventional sense. You're not depriving your body of food by cutting down on calories, so you are supplying your body with plenty of energy. By switching your body to fat-burning, you are ensuring that you have a plentiful supply of energy, because you can now access all the fat stores you have laid down.

That said, I agree with you that it would be a good idea for you, Cherry, to have something to hand to eat whilst you are switching from carb-burning to fat-burning.

TooExtraImmatureCheddar Mon 15-Jul-13 09:28:34

Please may I have some advice, lovely BIWI and Bootcampers? I have been on and off and on and off the low-carb wagon more times than I can count over the last few months. Last Monday I finally went RIGHT and buckled down. I've been really good all week and when I weighed in this morning I had lost...wait for it...1 measly pound. 1lb! Is that it? After all my goodness? DH has lost exactly the same but yesterday he had a Costa frappacino thing, a Limonata and heaps of tomato ketchup with his sausages (reasonably low-carb, 94% pork, 5.5g of carb per 100g), so it is perfectly understandable in his case. So, what am I doing wrong? Yesterday morning I was down to 9 stone 13.5 and now today I'm back at 10 stone 0.75. The only thing I can think of is that I didn't drink as much water as I should have done yesterday - maybe 2 litres instead of 3 - and it was really hot so I might be retaining water. I'm 5'2", so my BMI is somewhere around 26 - it's not that I'm at the skinny end of the scale and would expect my weight loss to be slow!

Is it the yo-yoing? If I stick it out and keep going will I start to lose more quickly? I should say that I'm doing Bootcamp-light - I can't start with Bootcamp, I have to ease myself into it with raspberries and double cream to beat the chocolate/cake cravings. Every time I've started with Bootcamp in the last 6 months I've fallen straight off the wagon again by the first weekend. Give me a couple of weeks to beat the cravings and I'll start to cut down on the dairy and the berries. When I did Bootcamp previously dairy didn't seem to affect my loss at all, so I ought to be okay. Maybe I should cut back on my milk-in-tea consumption - I've been trying to stick to 2 cups a day, but I do take a lot of milk in my tea.

StuntNun Mon 15-Jul-13 10:09:52

Three babies has resulted in a couple of stone of fat stores BIWI so it's good that they're coming in handy!

I know my first week I had a few days where I could barely get to the fridge out of bed in the morning and I think it was because DS3 is still feeding three or four times between my dinner and my breakfast. Once I was over the carb flu it was no problem in the morning and I think I had good initial weight loss because of all the breastfeeding at night, using up those fat stores good and proper. Of course it's all gone to pot with being on holiday, I'm not looking forward to next week's weigh-in.

TooImmature - you are doing bootcamp light as you say, so your loss will be slower. but if you're anything like me you may be affected by the hot weather? i never lose much weight (or even put it on) when the weather is above about 25C - i think i must be very susceptible to water retention. i just keep on keeping on and once the weather breaks i often get a whoosh

TooExtraImmatureCheddar Mon 15-Jul-13 11:06:29

Thanks Willie - that gives me hope! I find my ankles swell in hot weather (yuck!) no matter how much water I drink, so I think I am pretty susceptible to it. I'm Scottish - we're not biologically adapted to heat! I can cope fine in snow and ice, mind you. I'm still breastfeeding 16 mo DD - maybe that causes me to need more water on hot days too.

Sometimes tiredness seems to make the weight stick - didn't get much sleep last night as had guests round until late. Went to bed at midnight and DD woke up and howled at 12.30 and then again at 1.15. Then I had to get up for a pee at 5.40 and up for the day at 6. Yesterday's good weight might have been partly the result of having had a lie-in and hours and hours of glorious sleep.

<drinks more water>

LewisFan i was close to your weight when i first started low carbing. i started out lurking on the pre-bootcamp low carb threads, and was doing a made-up low carb / low fat thing that, although successful in terms of weight loss, was pretty difficult to stick to and i was still susceptible to the starve/binge cycle that was the most recent manifestation of my disordered eating. when the first bootcamp came around i was teetering on the edge of relapse. although i had already lost quite a bit of weight, it was bootcamp which stopped me reverting to old bad habits and meant i could continue to lose weight and get my eating on an even keel. two years later, i have lost over half my bodyweight.

i doubt your eating habits are/were anywhere near as bad as mine were, but the brilliant thing about low carbing if you have quite a lot to lose, is that it is above all sustainable. if you are in it for the long haul, it needs to be something that you can keep up over the months/years if necessary, and which is interesting and tasty enough to get back on the wagon if life gets in the way. plus i found i love how i feel on this way of eating (properly full and satiated, not bloated, plenty of energy (once the initial carb withdrawal is over), clear skin etc) that after a (hopefully mindful) wagon-topple i am always keen to get back to low-carbing

i'm sure the tiredness is definitely a factor - it's all caught up with your hormones after all. other people have posted more scientifically about this! occupational hazard with DC of course.

Negroni Mon 15-Jul-13 11:35:52

Sigh - I need to get back into this WOE properly. I keep on low carbing then having a day of a few carbs, then I gain weight, then I low carbs, take days to lose weight I gained, then I go and do something like I did yesterday and have large portion of sweetened strawberries and cream, then I gain and the whole effect is a generally upward movement on the scales, for not terrible eating.

I need to bootcamp again but have planned cheat on Friday lunch - meal at special restaurant with friends, booked for months. But adding this to all my accidental mini cheats I am not sure how I am going to sort this.

How does everyone else manage? We seem to have hit a patch of parties and socialising and everything just seems really tricky.

NewStartNewStory Mon 15-Jul-13 11:38:05

Sleep is known to affect weight loss. Also I would suggest to stop weighing every day.

Had a really bad start to the day. major wobble but bizarrely it has been my mother. You know the critical one that thinks this is a bad for you faddy diet, who has been encouraging me to get back on track. She is even showing signs of perhaps cutting more grain out of her diet. shock Seems that she thinks that actually i am really doing much better on this woe. so lots of water today, strict rest of the day and no hope for tomo's weigh in being good after all the wobbles, I would seem to be heading back on track again

kiwigirl42 Mon 15-Jul-13 12:23:29

wow newstart glad your mum is coming around at last.

I had a planned cheat day. First since I started beginning of May. I had blueberry crumble for breakfast (almonds on top), crustless quiche and blackberry crumble for lunch (wheat flour on top - MIL's) then came home and had a whole tub of haagen daaz with DS (13) and a crunchie bar.

It was nice but quite happy to go on strict bootcamp again today. Really need to push thru this plateau as been gaining and losing same kg over past 3 wks. Not even going to eat my beloved Total for a week <sob>

Cherrypi Mon 15-Jul-13 12:26:07

Feeling a bit better now. BIWI I don't know if I'm doing bootcamp or bootcamp light. I should probably decide shouldn't I?shock

I had butter with my scrambled egg but not my vegetables so I will add it next time. I missed off two coffees with double cream too. Can I have cinnamon with my yoghurt instead of berries? Can you have pork scratchings on bootcamp?

I'm breastfeeding a 19 month old so not too intense but may get some vitamins like you Stuntnun.

Negroni, i don't think this applies totally to your situation, but i've C&Ped some Getting Back on the Wagon tips that i put on another thread below.

About friday - it's 4-5 days away. you have basically two options if I've understood your post correctly (apologies if not):

(a) think to yourself 'well i'm going to cheat on friday so i might as well go the whole hog and cheat (to a greater or lesser extent) until then'

(b) think to yourself 'i'm going to be going mindfully off-plan on friday and enjoy every mouthful. until then i'm going to stay on-plan, then get back on the wagon after my meal out'

you know what will likely happen with thought process (a)? you will keep having 'accidental mini cheats' (as an aside, in what way are they accidental?), gain weight, feel crappy on friday and not make the most of your planned cheat. the cheats between now and then won't be worth it, you'll only be eating them because you've 'allowed' yourself to do so. you'll have perpetuated the high/low blood sugar cycle, as well as the guilt cycle, and you won't enjoy your proper, mindful, taste-every-mouthful lunch out

with thought process (b), you will arrive at your lunch feeling sleeker and trimmer, and more ready to fully enjoy your off-plan meal

i know this is easier said than done, and i don't always get it right myself, especially when you've got a whole load of parties etc, and sometimes you have to accept that you may not lose very much for a period, or try to maintain or not put on more than a few lb in that time

you need to make the decision about which off-plan foods are worth it (the once-in-a-blue-moon absolutely fabulous not-to-be-missed ones that should be savoured) and which ones aren't (stuff that's readily available, cheap, highly processed, a poor imitation, actually not that satisfying etc).

after you've had your mindful wagon-topple, that's when it's important to be prepared to get back on it, and recognise the siren call of the carbs for what it is. if you don't, that's when you risk getting back into the carb cycle.


1. have you got all the crap out of the house? (as much as you can - i know it can be tricky with family members (and with leftovers), but maybe you could ask them to forgo the carby stuff for a few days while you get back on track?)

2. plan your ABSOLUTE FAVOURITE low carb meals for the next few days, breakfast, lunch and supper - you need meals you can look forward to and which make you feel satisfied and indulged, not mediocre ones which get rid of the hunger but don't stop you feeling deprived when the siren call of the carbs gets going

3. make sure you have low carb snacks available if you need them (you shouldn't physically need them, but as i'm sure you know, they can help you get through the carb cravings)

4. drink plenty of water (i'm sure you know the drill). helps you feel full apart from all the other benefits

5. don't try to do too much in terms of exercise while you're combating the carb cravings. if you want to exercise, do, but don't push yourself too hard (i did a 40-min exercise dvd followed by a 5k run the other day and nearly keeled over at the smell of dp making toast)

6. change your routine a bit if you can. habits (particularly the bastardy carby ones) are quickly formed, so change stuff about a bit

hopefully some of this helps!

CrabbyBigBottom Mon 15-Jul-13 13:22:09

Great advice there Willie. I need to take it on board too.

Welcome to all the new joiners and congratulations to all those losing. flowers New sorry to hear about your car, that's really shit. sad

1lb on this week, all of which is probably wine. hmm I also had a lovely new potato salad with a fish bbq and for lunch yesterday, which is at least low gi rather than low carb, but then had a roast potato last night. I think I've been a bit lax this week with bootcamp ending and it being so fucking hot.

Back on the wagon this week as have at least another stone to go to my target weight and I want to refocus my efforts. Had leftover roast chicken with mashed swede and carrot for lunch. Having leftover lamb curry for dinner, looking forward to that already!

MustTidyUpMustTidyUp Mon 15-Jul-13 14:11:14

Had a lovely night away with DH on Saturday and didn't do too badly with cheats, although not great.
Started with sharing an enormous ploughmans and I ate a lot of cheese and coleslaw 2 teaspoons of pickle and the edge of the (lovely) bread. Really just a bit though. I had a steak for dinner and swapped my chips for DHs veg but I did eat 5 of his chips. Strawberries and cream for pudding (no sugar). I also had a bottle of wine. For breakfast I did eat the black pudding (god it was lovely) and had 1 apricot, 1 prune and 1 stewed plum with my yoghurt.
Not so good really now I look at it written down.

Will this put me a long way back? Got straight back on the wagon when I got back yesterday.
Went to a friends for lunch today and she made me a beautiful salad but it did have butternut squash in - I know this is allowed but felt a bit naughty considering my bad (good!) weekend.

I have done 2 weeks so I know I can switch to bootcamp light but would that mean not such a good loss? Will stick at bootcamp proper if more likely to drop 2 more pounds by a week Monday.

Negroni Mon 15-Jul-13 16:05:08

Willie thanks - that is really helpful. I think you have highlighted to me that once I start this odd day cheating, my resolve is already weakened so I am more likely to cheat again. So in order to combat this, I have to plan a lot better for a number of days in advance. When I am properly into this WOE I tend to have strong resolve so will chuck out cake rather than eat it, but once I have cheated, it isn't so much that I think "what's the point" it's more that my resolve has weakened and I seem more susceptible to carbs, whenever they crop up!

The "accidental mini cheats" I suppose are ones that I had not planned for, or even imagined. One was at a conference type thing with a buffet - it was going to be a dull affair. As planned I ate cold meats and salad and a glass of red wine and prepared to go home. Unfortunately, at that point, I met an old friend and she introduced me to other friends of hers, I got talked into going to a pub and before I knew it was drinking G&(slimline)Ts, getting the munchies, partaking of crisps.... blush

Another was at a garden party where the man next to me offered to get me the dessert which was strawberries and cream. He got me a mountainous portion of what was a kind of strawberry and cream sweetened dessert thing. Obviously had I been in a better frame of mind, I would have just excused self and found somewhere to dump the pudding but instead I just ate it blush blush

Anyway this isn't to excuse the eating off piste - and yes, the right thing to do is to eat properly until Friday lunch, enjoy my lunch and then get straight back onto the plan.

Well done to everyone who is keeping going though!

BIWI Mon 15-Jul-13 16:19:22

Great post, Willie

cherry - yes you can have cinnamon, yes you can have pork scratchings!

prettybird Mon 15-Jul-13 16:38:14

Cinnamon with greek yoghurt --and raspberries/strawberries) and cream is yummy smile

Plus I am sure I read somewhere the cinnamon itself is also conducive to weight loss! grin

Cherrypi Mon 15-Jul-13 16:46:22

Ok I'm going to proper bootcamp then. Wish me luck. Pork scratchings by the bed tonight grin

prettybird Mon 15-Jul-13 16:49:51

Found this about cinnamon smile

NewStartNewStory Mon 15-Jul-13 18:15:59

Well i have been very lucky. Old age is indeed affecting the car, but a good clean of its internals and she is running again. The little lights on the dash board have gone out and she should be ok until the next bit needs replacing due to wear and tear/old age Even better it was not a hugely expensive repairs.

Looking forward to tomo and refocusing entirely on what needs to be done. I want to drop below the 70kg mark. This is my target. I also want to keep my new smaller norks. They are highly motivating. I need to remember this and keep the faith and the focus.

captainmummy Mon 15-Jul-13 18:18:31

Prettybird -waitrose do a cinnamon hand-wash; it's called Cinnamon Cakes and smells divine! How to have cinnamon cakes without breaking the diet - just smell your hands!

prettybird Mon 15-Jul-13 18:34:10

Last month's Good Housekeeping also suggested that just sniffing chocolate ahead of having any meant that you ate less of it! grin

BIWI Mon 15-Jul-13 18:36:56

I wish I liked cinnamon!

loopyloou Mon 15-Jul-13 20:15:18

Today I had scrambled eggs with courgette and a little grated cheese for breakfast, cold bacon and egg pie with lettuce for lunch and chicken curry for dinner.

BerylStreep Mon 15-Jul-13 20:30:13

Just checking in - have been away for 4 days, and have managed to LC throughout apart from the drink.

I went to amusements with DH & DC and saw myself on those photos that they insist on taking. I don't want to be hard on myself, but sadly I looked like a bit of a porker. blush

Negroni Mon 15-Jul-13 20:37:49

pretty feel sure I would be the exception that proves that good housekeeping chocolate rule! I am sure that buying and sniffing chocolate would still lead to me eating it all. Maybe if I had a mountain of chocolate in front of me sniffing first would lead to me leaving some instead of eating it all but I am too scared to try.

I am sadly just not someone who can keep chocolate in the house for an occasional one or two square treat.

Negroni Mon 15-Jul-13 20:44:05

Beryl! No one likes to see themselves in photos!

More to the point well done for low carbing for the whole of your break, presumably avoiding fish and chips, ice creams, candy floss - you were at the seaside I hope, otherwise I have got wrong end of stick !

QueenQueenie Mon 15-Jul-13 20:51:38

OK. Can someone tell me if today's eating sounds on the right track...

B greek yog (total) and strawberries
L 2 egg omelette with cheese, 2 black farmer sausages, 1 tomato
D Steak, watercress, salad of avocado / tomato / chilli / lime juice / oil
S green olives (handful)
Loads, I mean loads of water and 3 cups tea with milk..

Am new to all this, so all comments appreciated. I had big portions and feel properly full. This doesn't feel self punishing enough!

BerylStreep Mon 15-Jul-13 21:05:27

Negroni, yes, at the seaside and no ice cream, candy floss or fish & chips!

Queenie, that looks good. Are you just starting on Bootcamp? If so, I would avoid the strawberries until bootcamp light. Milk in the tea may be an issue, but personally I have never been able to kick the milk in tea.

QueenQueenie Mon 15-Jul-13 21:09:03

Thanks Beryl! Iam just trying to eat low carb really and do more exercise than before... I just know that if i do anything too "diety" / have to follow a strict menu plan I will be hopeless...
Ps, well done for resisting seaside temptations!

prettybird Mon 15-Jul-13 21:10:33

I think the point was that they sniffed "essence" of chocolate - not that they bought a pile of chocolate and then had to sit in front of the pile resisting it! grin

It also wasn't that they didn't eat chocolate subsequently - they just ate less of it, feeling statiated sooner.

I'll need to look out the article again though.

BerylStreep Mon 15-Jul-13 21:31:00

Just catching up with the thread - I kept being thrown off on the app too.

Negroni have you had a look at the menu for the place you are going to on Friday to see if it really has to be a massive cheat meal? Most places are happy to swap sides of potato for salad, and I always go for a cheese board instead of pudding. You could link to the restaurant you are going to so we can be nosey make helpful suggestions. smile

Negroni Mon 15-Jul-13 21:36:25

Well wow to not even having one ice cream in this heatwave! At the seaside I turn into some totally different person - am totally eager to part with cash in exchange for Mr whippy, limp hotdogs, caramelised nuts in a cone, chips definitely, dubious slush puppy type drinks. Did you just nibble on almonds and pork scratchings?

pretty funnily enough I saw some chocolate extract today in Lakeland and wondered if in some happy weight maintenance future I could use it with double cream and cinnamon and chopped nuts in some low carb pudding. Just got to lose the excess weight first!

Xenia Mon 15-Jul-13 22:11:13

It becomes easier. If you totally abstain from sugar in the way alcholics and drug addicts do then you lose the cravings and desire for it including ice cream. It's a kind of freedom from it but it does take a while to adjust.

BIWI Mon 15-Jul-13 22:30:27

Queen - your meals look fine, but I'd ditch the strawberries for a while, till you're in the swing of low carbing. And make sure you're eating plenty of fat

I had greek yoghurt and strawberries for lunch! It just seemed to be what I wanted in the heat of the day (also I was working rapidly against a work deadline and it was quick).

Alambil Mon 15-Jul-13 23:45:08

Willie - 2 years? Really that fast? (may I ask about your skin... I'm SO worried that when I lose the 10st, it'll turn into floppy skin all over me and I'll need surgery...)

I really want to get healthy before I'm 35 (long before!). I turned 30 in January and feel awful. DS is 11 this year and there are NO photos of me and him together because I am always the photo-taker. Convenient way to not have photos of me (and being a LP I'm often the only one on trips with him, but anyway...)

I am SICK of people telling me I'm single because I'm fat too - if I get thin (read healthy), I'll be able to "find" someone to "love me" and "marry me" and "move in to a lovely house together and have more children" ... thanks mum!

I just want to be healthy but as you say, it needs to be sustainable - 10st to lose is a LOT of weight... bloody hell, it's a whole PERSON! (scary, that!)

StuntNun Mon 15-Jul-13 23:59:19

One thing this holiday is illustrating is how much control I usually have over my diet. I just haven't been able to make the best choices with being away from home. God knows what was in the salad dressing I had with my lunch, it didn't even taste that nice. I am getting more confident at asking for meals without rice or asking for my chips to be swapped for a side salad.

B: strawberries and Greek yoghurt
L: yucky Wetherspoons' rump steak with blue cheese sauce, mushrooms and a side salad
D: doner kebab blush without the pitta - probably a lot of hidden carbs in the meat but the chilli sauce was made from minced chillies and wasn't sweet
S: 20 salted almonds

lewisfan my skin is fine, but it all depends on your age (you're only 3 years older than me), genetics, how much exercise you do (i did very little other than walking during the first year), how quickly you put the weight on, where you carry the weight etc

honestly though, i know it sounds like a platitude, but it's better to be healthier and have some loose skin

it was quite quick for me, but that is just chance/genetics i think, and i did lose the first few stones very quickly, and then the later few took much much longer. i am still very slowly losing the last stone

it's better to lose slowly. especially as with the longterm aspect you need to be able to live your life and go off-plan for really special occasions/foods and spend time with friends and all that. it's best not to set concrete goals (five years sounds like a good time) as i think you can lose sight of the overall achievement when you miss a target. don't think about the ten stone, think about one stone, or a half stone, or whatever. and with this way of eating it's a really good idea to take measurements with a tape measure, because the weighing scales are a blunt instrument that don't take account of changing shape, hormones etc, and as low carbing means less bloating you often look sleeker at a given weight than you did at that weight on the way up if you see what i mean

bullshit about the singledom, but you know that. you're worth loving whatever you look like. but i know how it can feel like you're putting off living your life

whether you start low carbing straight away or whether you wait until the next bootcamp, i would suggest reading up on low carbing if you haven't already - john briffa's 'escape the diet trap' is a good start and is available at most libraries and he has a blog too. it really helps to understand why you should be making certain food choices with this way of eating, and understanding the impact that different nutrients have on your body helps to stop you making poor choices

BIWI Tue 16-Jul-13 08:15:43

Lewis - I wouldn't worry too much about saggy skin. If you do low carb properly, whilst you can expect to lose a significant amount of weight in the first couple of weeks, after that your weekly progress will be much less, and is much more in line with the kind of loss you would see from a low fat/low calorie diet. And this is exactly what you're looking for. Slow but consistent weight loss is much more sustainable in the long term, and will also help your skin 'catch up' with the loss of fat.

What is different about low carbing is that unlike low fat/low cal diets, you will not be hungry. You won't have to obsess about weighing and counting, or feeling deprived of food.

You will be amazed at how not hungry you are! Instead of that 'gnaw my arm off' feeling at around 11.00 am, you will suddenly find yourself forgetting to eat lunch.


And all this while you're able to enjoy bacon and eggs for breakfast, creamy sauces on your meat/fish and butter and cheese.

This, of course, is what will make it much easier to stick to low carbing. You honestly won't feel like you're on a diet.

MustTidyUpMustTidyUp Tue 16-Jul-13 12:15:10

A few more questions from me..
1. I lost 4 lb the first week but nothing the second. Is this because of my (quite mild) off plan Saturday? See previous post. Too much wine maybe?
2. Last week I felt slimmer but this week more bl

MustTidyUpMustTidyUp Tue 16-Jul-13 12:16:55

A few more questions from me..
1. I lost 4 lb the first week but nothing the second. Is this because of my (quite mild) off plan Saturday? See previous post. Too much wine maybe?
2. Last week I felt slimmer but this week more bloated again. Not due AF or anything.
3. Will I lose less quickly on boot camp light?
4. What is a bullet proof coffee?
5. How do I know if dairy affects my loss?

MustTidyUpMustTidyUp Tue 16-Jul-13 12:20:32

lewis I had less to lose than you, I am 4 stone down with about a stone to go. Once you've got going weigh loss is a pleasure. It's not a year/2/5 of misery until you get to your goal it is a good journey and every half a stone you will be delighted and notice a difference in your body, your health and your happiness. Just get cracking when you're ready, and enjoy the ride!

CrabbyBigBottom Tue 16-Jul-13 14:25:27

1. Probably, yes, especially the wine. <<voice of experience>> wink
2. Are you drinking enough water? Your body is more likely to retain water in this heat so you need to drink more to compensate.
3. Yes I would have thought so. The idea of doing bootcamp first is to really switch your body to fat burning, so no cheating for two weeks of proper bootcamp, then you can relax a little bit into bootcamp light and the odd planned cheat.
5. Trial and error I think. I can't speak from experience on this as I'm a dairy freak and can't even contemplate this WOE without it, so won't countenance the idea of it adversely affecting me. grin

CrabbyBigBottom Tue 16-Jul-13 14:31:06

Haven't put anything up on the food blog for a couple of weeks as been busy with the other one. Just put up a really lovely curry one though - it's delicious!

You don't have to do it in the slow cooker either.

MustTidyUpMustTidyUp Tue 16-Jul-13 14:50:20

Thank you Crabby

BIWI Tue 16-Jul-13 14:52:07

1. I lost 4 lb the first week but nothing the second. Is this because of my (quite mild) off plan Saturday? See previous post. Too much wine maybe?

Started with sharing an enormous ploughmans and I ate a lot of cheese and coleslaw 2 teaspoons of pickle and the edge of the (lovely) bread. Really just a bit though. I had a steak for dinner and swapped my chips for DHs veg but I did eat 5 of his chips. Strawberries and cream for pudding (no sugar). I also had a bottle of wine. For breakfast I did eat the black pudding (god it was lovely) and had 1 apricot, 1 prune and 1 stewed plum with my yoghurt.
Not so good really now I look at it written down.

Will this put me a long way back? Got straight back on the wagon when I got back yesterday.
Went to a friends for lunch today and she made me a beautiful salad but it did have butternut squash in - I know this is allowed but felt a bit naughty considering my bad (good!) weekend.

This is not quite mild! Look at all the carbs you have eaten! All these 'little bits' quickly add up. And some of the things you were eating were very carby in themselves, like the pickle. Butternut squash is 10g carbs per 100g, which would mean that it's not on the allowed list, and certainly not a good choice for Bootcamp.

2. Last week I felt slimmer but this week more bloated again. Not due AF or anything.

A combination of the extra carbs and probably also to do with the hot weather - but certainly indicates that you need to drink more water. (Keep your salt levels up though)

3. Will I lose less quickly on boot camp light?

To be honest, you haven't done Bootcamp properly yet, so I'd say do another week of that before you move onto Bootcamp Light.

4. What is a bullet proof coffee?

Some dreadful concoction of coffee with coconut oil, I believe! I haven't tried it myself

5. How do I know if dairy affects my loss?

The only way you will find out is by trial and error. If you're doing everything else by the rules, and weight loss isn't happening for you, then try a few days without any dairy (butter is allowed) and see what happens.

Low carbing is not an especially forgiving way of eating. If you cheat, you won't lose weight. You can't make up for it the next day

MustTidyUpMustTidyUp Tue 16-Jul-13 16:10:58

Ok. This is what I need. Thanks BIWI.
I hadn't realised quite how much a slip will set me back.
Will post daily food consumption so continue to be honest please!
Have eaten a few almonds and berries today as thought I was on light but will go back to boot camp proper tomorrow for a week.
B: crust less egg and bacon pie. Flat white coffee. (Bad bad bad)
L: cauliflower with butter and a bit of cheese melted under grill and roasted veg in olive oil with salad.
Snack: raspberries in Greek yog and cream. Few almonds.

Am planning a big fat salad for dinner. Maybe with some smoked mackerel made into pâté with butter.

CrabbyBigBottom Tue 16-Jul-13 16:17:12

I know it's churlish when everyone is enjoying it but god I fucking hate this heat!!
angry angry angry << that isn't just angry, but also the colour I go in this fucking heat! grin

loopyloou Tue 16-Jul-13 16:35:23

Crabby, I hate it too! It makes me light headed and dizzy and I feel like I can't breathe, the air is so humid.

prettybird Tue 16-Jul-13 16:44:29

Heat, what heat? hmm

It's been a pleasant 19-20C here for the last few days. In fact, my complaint is where's the sun?! grin

loopyloou Tue 16-Jul-13 17:04:30

Where are you prettybird,will head that way now! Here in North Yorkshire it's about 28 degrees.

prettybird Tue 16-Jul-13 17:18:05


It even rained over night. wink

Due to get hotter on Thursday - up to twenty TWO degrees!! grin

CrabbyBigBottom Tue 16-Jul-13 17:19:38

Ooh pretty that's a lovely temperature! It's 29C here and I hate feeling sweaty and too hot to do anything. Glad I'm not the only one Loopy.

CrabbyBigBottom Tue 16-Jul-13 17:20:52

Right, I'm straight on the Caledonian sleeper train and up to stay at yours pretty! grin

prettybird Tue 16-Jul-13 17:45:33


loopyloou Tue 16-Jul-13 18:30:18

I always wanted to visit Glasgow wink

QueenQueenie Tue 16-Jul-13 19:28:18

Me again...
I am struggling today, not with my eating but with terrible tiredness.
I'm sure some of it is the weather but it's definitely not only that.
I had greek yoghurt for breakfast (late) and then some hard cheese / 2 cold sausages / salad for lunch (late). After each meal I was hit by exhaustion (30 mins or so after eating). I could have fallen asleep on the spot.
Help! Is this my body adjusting or what?

BIWI Tue 16-Jul-13 20:47:01

What day are you on, Queen? (Sorry, I've forgotten!)

Alambil Tue 16-Jul-13 20:59:43

is it me or do any of you have a grin when you read the "WOE" acronym? <dark humoured!>

I have the bug... I am going shopping.... wish me luck!!

One last question...

I am a PIG. I eat A LOT. Can I have HUGE portions of (allowed) veg to fill up on, or what?

QueenQueenie Tue 16-Jul-13 21:08:41

5 days in BIWI...

StuntNun Tue 16-Jul-13 23:41:39

I have a planned cheat meal tomorrow which I'm quite looking forward to. I reckon the starter and main course won't be a problem to keep low carb but dessert may be my downfall.

B: Greek yoghurt
L: Greek salad with chicken
S: 20 almonds
D: beef sausages (ultra low carb), courgettes and mushrooms followed by way too many strawberries - picked today in Perth and unbelievably divine

BIWI Tue 16-Jul-13 23:45:35

5 days in - it's carb flu, I'm afraid! It will soon pass. Drink plenty of water, but keep your salt intake up. Try making a hot drink with boiling water and Oxo or Marmite or Bovril. And eat plenty of fat.

BIWI Tue 16-Jul-13 23:46:43

Lewis - yes you can eat a lot. But better to fill up with protein and fat - if you pile veg on your plate, even if it's allowed veg, the carbs can quickly add up.

QueenQueenie Tue 16-Jul-13 23:50:14

Thanks BIWI. How long can I expect the carb flu to last?

lewis yes eat away, I find that after a few weeks when the novelty wears off I simply aren't as hungry and can't finish meals - it is a strange feeling!!!

loopyloou Wed 17-Jul-13 08:24:25

Another hot day by the look of it.

Yesterday I had scrambled eggs with fried courgettes for breakfast, chicken drumsticks for lunch and pork chop with fried leeks and buttered cauliflower with a little grated cheese for dinner and a snack of one Babybel, a tsp of natural yoghurt and some pork scratchings (bit rubbishy though).

Don't know if I'm drinking enough water, really struggling to get more down me. I had four black decaff coffees and probably 1.5 litres of water.

Cherrypi Wed 17-Jul-13 08:28:45

Lost another pound this morning. Woo hoo. Lost six in four days now. Love this WOE so far.

Negroni Wed 17-Jul-13 09:51:17

I know everyone else already knows this but I have been drinking a lot of water (3 litres a day) on top of the bulletproof coffees I have in the morning in my bid to get back on track ie lose poundage following stupidly going off track

Normally I do try and drink lots but I have been really strict this time, ie measuring it out in plastic bottles and keeping note. It seems to be working, thank goodness! Was 2 pounds down yesterday from Sunday and another 2 pounds down this morning - so only a pound and a half to get back to where I was on Saturday 6th July (a new low) when I accidentally veered off course into a world of handful of chips and sweetened strawbs and cream puddings.

Drink water everyone!

Negroni Wed 17-Jul-13 09:53:14

Oh and not wanting to put a dampener on it but I have been cutting out dairy apart from odd bit of milk in tea - but no yoghurt or cream - and it really seems to kick start things for me unfortunately as I would love to be here eating chunk of cheese, followed by double cream and berry extravaganza

OhCobblers Wed 17-Jul-13 09:54:33

Hello posted this n another thread but realised this is the one i need to be on. Desperate to lose 1/2 stone min n 3 weeks before hols!!?,

Hello could I jump in as I started this week after trying lots of other diets? On Friday I was down 4lbs - good start I thought! Had a bit of wine over weekend but not more than 3/4 bottle! Am not othered by sweet things so that bit is easy and im managing to drink close to 2 litres a day.

I went down to 10.13 on Mon but today am 11.2!!!!! Disaster! I had a beef Thai curry without rice obviously last night but am certainly feeling very clogged up in the gut area. Where did I go wrong? Are there certain meals I should stick to in the next 3 weeks to guarantee dropping more lbs as I'm on holiday and need to look halfway decent n the beach!!

Thanks for any help. I'm off to scan the rest of the low carb threads!

BIWI Wed 17-Jul-13 09:59:33

Negroni - well done! It's amazing how many people are affected by dairy. I'm actually considering making Bootcamp dairy-free as well. Or maybe introduce a really strict first three days that are dairy-free.

looppylou yes, you do need to drink more water! Especially in this hot weather. Bootcamp is a minimum of two litres a day. I know you're drinking coffee as well, but add more water.

cherry - brilliant! Just don't expect the same rate of loss every day/week!!!

Queen - you should only suffer for a couple of days or so. Hopefully by now you're through the worst of it

BIWI Wed 17-Jul-13 10:06:05


Hello posted this n another thread but realised this is the one i need to be on. Desperate to lose 1/2 stone min n 3 weeks before hols!!?,

Welcome! But low carbing isn't a crash diet. You may lose a lot of weight in three weeks, but if you revert to high carb eating on holiday, you will put it all back on again!

Hello could I jump in as I started this week after trying lots of other diets? On Friday I was down 4lbs - good start I thought! Had a bit of wine over weekend but not more than 3/4 bottle! Am not othered by sweet things so that bit is easy and im managing to drink close to 2 litres a day.

If you're a constant dieter, switching from one to another diet, you do need to give your body some consistency. 4lbs was a good start, but if you do need to realise that if you're drinking alcohol, your body will use this as the first source of fuel, and while it's doing that, you won't be burning any fat. Glad you're not bothered by sweet things, but just bear in mind that wine - as far as your body is concerned, as well as other carbs, is sugar! And you must drink a minimum of 2 litres of water, especially in this hot weather, so make sure you glug more down.

I went down to 10.13 on Mon but today am 11.2!!!!! Disaster! I had a beef Thai curry without rice obviously last night but am certainly feeling very clogged up in the gut area. Where did I go wrong? Are there certain meals I should stick to in the next 3 weeks to guarantee dropping more lbs as I'm on holiday and need to look halfway decent n the beach!!

Thai food is one of the worst you can eat on low carbing, even if you avoid the rice. They use sugar in almost everything.

If you're very clogged up in the gut area, this is a sign that you're not drinking enough water. Also, are you eating enough fat? A low carb diet is a high fat one. If you try and do low carb, low fat it won't work.

In terms of what to stick to, you should be basing your meals around fatty protein, with low carb veg and salad - and using lots of oily dressings, adding butter to veg and using mayonnaise. Have a look at Bootcamp Recipe thread for lots of good ideas

Hope this helps.

OhCobblers Wed 17-Jul-13 10:16:24

Thanks BIWI. Having scanned other threads I thought the paste and coconut milk were going to be ok in moderation?! I shall avoid like the plague. Only other diet I'd had a go at was the 5:2 and was ok but find low carbing makes me feel better.
I've been having lots of eggs, salads and meats but shall scan the recipes too. Thanks

Hellloo! I'm back after a long weekend of carby, boozy goodness badness. I've have spent a sunny weekend by the pool with lots of Pimms and cider and had a cream tea, fish and chips, homemade cakes, cheese and biscuits and lovely wine.
Not feeling it today but I know I've got to get back into it and shift this stone!

loopyloou Wed 17-Jul-13 10:39:45

Thanks BIWI, I think I'll have to drop the coffees and substitute water instead. I just feel like I'm sloshing around inside, struggling to get more down! Even with a slice of lemon and ice ...

Otherwise I think I'm doing okay. Trying to up the veg a bit.

Back to work tomorrow though for just over two weeks fulltime, which is going to KILL me in this heat! And it's difficult to drink enough water there - no water dispenser/cooler, fridge upstairs up tiny little poky HOT stairs (very old narrow building!) ... Think I'll take 3 500 ml bottles of water in a cool bag and have them next to me. Unfortunately the loo is up the tiny poky hot stairs too sad.

BIWI Wed 17-Jul-13 13:01:34

Good exercise, loopylou grin

loopyloou Wed 17-Jul-13 13:28:16

Too hot for exercise BIWI wink

Negroni Wed 17-Jul-13 13:43:52

Cherry well done - that initial loss is great and should give you a boost to carry on and lose more

BIWI Thanks - am just relieved to be finally losing weight again (well losing having bounced up). I began to think that my body had just decided to gain weight forever, which is obviously ridiculous....

With dairy I am not sure if dairy itself stalls me or it is quantities I start to eat it in once I let it creep in. Either way, I think I just have to be pretty strict on this WOE to lose weight. if on one day a week I have either 2 glasses of wine or berries and cream or chunks of cheese then I think I will continue to lose but once things get more relaxed I probably eat too much of those things. Still at least I can do that when I have reached my goal and want to maintain! Before then I think that a relatively strict bootcamp with lots of water is the only way to go.

Beryl In answer to your earlier question on the restaurant I am going to later this week. There isn't a menu online but I think as it is quite a fancy place I will be able to avoid carbs, though will probably have a couple of glasses of wine. I am thinking about dessert at the moment. I can definitely have cheese, in that it will def be on offer but my normal preference would be to have something sweet. I am so relieved to be losing again that I just don't want to do anything to ruin it and am tempted to have small amount of cheese. On the other hand, it is a v fancy place and will probably never go there again! I may have to assess the pudding menu when I get there and decide then. Though obviously it would be better to turn up with a strategy in mind. Decisions, decisions.

CrabbyBigBottom Wed 17-Jul-13 14:05:56

envy envy envy at Bullet's delicious badness. And yes that was envy not nausea! grin

loopy that sounds like a nightmare in this heat!

Negroni if it's a really good restaurant then I think I'd have a fuckit moment and enjoy a pudding. Having said that, if you stuff yourself on lower-carb delicious starter and main, you might not really want one anyway.

Anyone seen Chipping?

I'm going to start recording my meals every day again, after I was a bit off road over the weekend.
B/L - left over lamb curry with spiced cauliflower and spinach
D - courgette 'pasta' with chicken, chorizo, mushrooms, shallots and creme fraiche
S - too much of this almond butter. Goddamn it's sooooo good I could just eat the whole jar!

Is it me or is it not quite as swelteringly hot today?

BerylStreep Wed 17-Jul-13 16:20:33

Crabby funny I have been on the look out for Chipping since I posted a couple of veggie egg free recipes.

Mouseface Wed 17-Jul-13 16:48:44


Can I join please? I could do with shifting a few pounds before my holiday, in a few weeks time but due to my disability, I am unable to exercise. I can't even make a bed. That's how bad it is. I drink about 3 pints of larger water a day and try to eat a varied diet of many different cheeses, just to keep it interesting........ grin

But, I'm not looking for sympathy, I need BIWI to kick my ass for 2/3 weeks.

<waits by bar for G&T and some dry roasted peanuts> grin

Chipping has been busy, busy and had problems with her phone/internet/accessing MN and this thread etc... I think I saw her post on a thread the other day somewhere as well. Hopefully she'll be able to return soon when she can get easy access again!

BIWI Wed 17-Jul-13 17:23:21

Welcome, Mouseface! You are very, very welcome. And don't worry, you can see good results without having to take any exercise. Ignores reference to lager

Mouseface Wed 17-Jul-13 20:47:34

Thanks BIWI - I don't really drink larger, I'm an ex Stella drinker grin and only now tend to have any beer with curry and now drink Becks Blue. smile

I shall weigh in tomorrow and post more about my goal. Thank you xxx

BIWI Wed 17-Jul-13 20:48:47

I suspect that Becks Blue will still be out of the equation though - will look it up for you

BIWI Wed 17-Jul-13 20:49:27

Yep. 6g carbs per bottle. That's an awful lot!

MustTidyUpMustTidyUp Wed 17-Jul-13 21:11:44

Evening all. Welcome mouse.
B: Greek yog with a couple if spoons of flaxseed/brazil/almond mix. Coffee with cream
L: big salad of roasted veg and feta.
D: a very winters but lovely steak and kidney casserole with braised cabbage and spinach.
S: pork scratchings. A square of 70% choc
Loads of water - kept a jug in the fridge of sliced fruit and cucumber topped with sparking water (assuming this is ok if I don't eat the fruit?)

Today is the first day I haven't had something eggy for breakfast and I'm sure I was more tired and hungry for it. Really enjoyed the yoghurt with flaxseed etc but think I need a small portion of this and a hard boiled egg.

Weighed this morning and am still 9 stone so no change from first week yet.

Ruprekt Wed 17-Jul-13 21:21:56

Am down to 169lbs! I was 196 lbs when I started in January.

Am also doing 5:2 which works for me. Mon and Thu are my fasting days but I need to eat more tomorrow as I fell into the biscuit tin last Thur as my blood sugars were low.

Fat and water are the key to this.

Fat and water
Fat and water

Flush the water through your system.

Tis the best WOE ever!

MustTidyUpMustTidyUp Wed 17-Jul-13 21:41:00

Brilliant Ruprekt well done smile

Alambil Wed 17-Jul-13 22:01:07

Would you mind if I post my planned meals before I go shopping? (I've not done it yet!)

I had also been wondering about Chipping , hope she comes back to this thread!

B - scrambled egg, mushrooms fried in butter
L - left over cauliflower cheese with green salad
D - smoked mackerel, salad & mayonnaise
S - greek yoghurt and strawberry. But that was just being greedy.

LOTS of water. LOTS of going for wees.

I'm wearing a nice summer-y knee-length skirt. Such a thing would have not have been possible two months ago, I would have been too fat to wear such a thing. Hooray for small victories!

Yesterday there was a village fashion show (as a fundraiser) - models were local people but the clothes on sale afterwards were only in the sizes they had worn (10-14). The organisers said "we need some plus-size models for next year" so they could have some larger sizes on sale. I thought, I ought to volunteer for next year. Then I thought... ha! maybe next year, I won't be plus-size!

Negroni Wed 17-Jul-13 22:22:37

Well done Ruprekt that is a big loss!

Lewis post away! I love reading other people's meal plans because my own meals are mostly very boring

BerylStreep Wed 17-Jul-13 22:34:20

I thought I would try a variation on the yoghurt & peanut combo, since Prettybird was meh about it.

I mixed peanut butter with some double cream, and it sort of resembled a very light fluffy butter, with crunchy bits in. I must say, I was a bit 'meh' about it as well.

I am still a bit hmm about the Sainsbury's claim that their basics peanut butter is 3.9g carbs/100g. I spent quite some time today in the peanut butter aisle, and the consensus is that the crunchy peanut butters which do not contain sugar are about 7.3g carb/100g, so I fail to see how the Basics one, with added sugar, is 3.9g.

I think the moral of the story is that I need to step away from peanut butter, which is a bit of a shame, as I bought 2 jars of it today.

Xenia Wed 17-Jul-13 22:47:10

If you have time do watch Fat Head on youtube - even if you just watch the last half.

thenightsky Wed 17-Jul-13 23:00:30

Beryl I can now spot fellow low carbers as they are studying labels with reading glasses on ends of noses round Sainsbo's grin Especially down the 'specialist' aisles.

thenightsky Wed 17-Jul-13 23:02:44

Xenia... do you have a link... there are loads of clips named 'fathead' on there.

BerylStreep Wed 17-Jul-13 23:10:54


I'll have you know that I don't need reading glasses! <yet>

thenightsky Wed 17-Jul-13 23:12:21

you'll see me then... glasses on end of nose grin

Negroni Wed 17-Jul-13 23:12:59

I am a bit sceptical about the peanut butter numbers as I was excited a few threads back about an organic almond butter with carb count of 6.5g per 100g. Just looked again at it and the ingredients are 100% almonds. So think 3.5g per 100 would be hard to get to with added ingredients.

Now curious about what fathead is. Must look it up on youtube and find out!

Secondsop Wed 17-Jul-13 23:23:25

Evening all, here's my day:

B: mushrooms fried in butter, scrambled eggs with cheddar and smoked salmon
L: mozzarella, 3 cherry tomato, avocado salad with basil oil.
D: can albacore tuna with mayo and spring onion, with roast veg (courgette, leeks, Aubergine, bit of butternut squash) with a bit of goat's cheese crumbled on the veg
S: peanuts

Looking at it there's a lot of cheese. I've never tried dropping dairy as I love cheese and couldn't contemplate this WOE without it. I am losing at on average just over a pound a week which is fine for me if I can eat cheese. If I dropped dairy i might lose faster but I'd really feel like I was on a diet...

I'm currently wearing a nightie I got while pregnant which sounds awful but I lost loads of weight during pregnancy so during pregnancy I weighed less than what I do now, but put it all back on afterwards (I'm currently a stone and a half more than I was straight after the birth). I truly missed a trick in not capitalising on that weight loss but the sharp end of new motherhood hit me quite hard and when my glucose tolerance test after the birth was clear I did exactly the wrong thing and ate tons of cake.

Alambil Wed 17-Jul-13 23:31:43

well, mostly I need cheap meals (no money til pay day) so I'm thinking meats with frozen veggies for dinners and eggs for lunches at work with things in such as omlettes with added meats / things

should I make the omlette in butter instead of oil?

I can't bring myself to eat breakfasts - any ideas what to have? It will need to be at work (fully functioning kitchen but no time to make anything until lunch hour)

how about tuna salad (cucumber, lettuce, tomatoes (3 baby ones), mushrooms, spring onions) with tuna over the top and some salad dressing - which dressing are we allowed? is caesar too carby?

one problem I forsee - I don't like fatty meat... I HATE the skin of chicken etc and find it slimy. Is this going to be an enormous issue?

I have eaten "low fat" diets for ever (well, when I diet, I mean... if I ate low fat forever I'd not be 21st!) - it's a really difficult thing to get into my head; where to "add" the fat?!

prettybird Wed 17-Jul-13 23:36:27

Definitely omelette cooked with a generous knob of butter. smile

One of the nice things about this diet is tasty food! grin

Alambil Wed 17-Jul-13 23:40:02

What does celeriac taste like?

I am awful for trying new food - especially vegetables... I need to be more adventurous

I've only just got in to cooked red pepper (but now they're out, I guess!)

thenightsky Wed 17-Jul-13 23:42:54

Celeriac is BLOODY LOVELY! Make the chips... i don't want boring old potato chips any more.

Alambil Wed 17-Jul-13 23:43:38

is it like celery? I don't like celery - it's way too stringy!

prettybird Wed 17-Jul-13 23:46:01

Have you tried crisp chicken skin? It's much nicer smile. I don't like flaccid chicken skin either.

Lamb chops (try the bag of frozen chops from Lidl if your budget is tight) cooked so the fat bits are crispy. (Fry in a bit of oil/butter for c.3 minutes on one side on a high heat, turn down and turn over and cover and fry for another 3 minutes. Deglaze with a thimble full of Marsala if you have some, if not just deglaze/bubble for a couple of minutes).

Alambil Wed 17-Jul-13 23:54:54

I don't really like crisp skin either but it's all right... I think it's more changing my mind about it; since I was a tiny child, my mother removed the skin on roasts etc because it's "bad" for you... that's a good 25 years of input to reverse!

thenightsky Wed 17-Jul-13 23:55:01

not like celery really... no stringyness at all.

CrabbyBigBottom Wed 17-Jul-13 23:55:49

Lewis if you're on a budget then slow cooking is your friend - cook fattier/tougher (much cheaper) cuts of meat on a low heat for a long time, and the fat all dissolves off and into the sauce. The meat becomes meltingly tender and not fatty at all.

Do you have a slow cooker? You can get one for £15 - £20. You could batch cook and then freeze portions/eat leftovers for the next few days.

CrabbyBigBottom Thu 18-Jul-13 00:06:47

Negroni is it the Meridian almond butter? It's gorgeous and 6.5% carbs. I was gutted today when they didn't have any in Sains! I bought a huge bag of raw almonds for £6 and am going to try making my own.

Rup well done that's an amazing loss! flowers

Well done on the skirt Lily - definitely hooray for the small victories, they're what keep us going!

Food today;
Didn't eat at all until about 1.30pm as just not hungry at all - think it's the heat.
L - mozzarella, parma ham, little tomatoes, manchego, olives
D - leftover roast chicken, chorizo, broccoli, shallots, mushrooms and little tomatoes, all fried up in olive oil and smoked paprika.
Small glass red wine

Alambil Thu 18-Jul-13 00:17:59

I have 2 slow cookers - one eeeenormous one and one for "normal" food!

I only know how to make 3 things in it though; pork and apple casserole, beef casserole and chicken casserole grin

CrabbyBigBottom Thu 18-Jul-13 01:03:26

This book is only about £3. It's great!

Here are a couple of slow cooker recipes...
squid puttanesca dead cheap and don't be put off by the thought of rubbery squid, it's meltingly tender cooked like this.
a fairly mild chicken curry
curry made with lamb shanks - nice cheap cut of meat.

Hunters chicken is a fantastic slow cooker one too, and you can bulk it up with beans for the rest of the family. I'll make it soon and stick the recipe up.

StuntNun Thu 18-Jul-13 07:27:15

I went completely off-WOE with last night's meal out. Bread, mashed potato and sugar was consumed with wild abandon! DH actually did pretty well with his choices, apart from a small amount of pastry. But it was a much anticipated meal out at our favourite restaurant and it was worth it! Interestingly I woke up starving hungry this morning. I can see how easy it is to fall off the wagon after a carby meal. I'm going to be superstrict when I get back from holiday. Today is doomed before I even start because my kids went to a pick-your-own-fruit farm yesterday and the fridge is full of gooseberries and strawberries.

B: Greek yoghurt
L: haggis (only a tiny portion), bacon and fried mushrooms
D: scallops, ox cheek bourguignon with mustard and spring onion mash, pistachio and gingerbread tiramisu, half a bottle of red wine, a couple of glasses of port smile

BIWI Thu 18-Jul-13 09:11:48

Sounds lovely, StuntNun! Just beware of the carbs luring you back, though!

CrabbyBigBottom Thu 18-Jul-13 09:16:28

Ooh Stunt that sounds absolutely gorgeous! <<drools>> This WOE wouldn't be worth it if we couldn't have the occasional treat and step off the wagon for really good food now and then. I think the point is that I would be very discerning about my carbs now - I would never again bother eating shit bread, tasteless mash, overly sweet synthetic tasting cakes or soggy pastry if I could possibly avoid it. So much food we eat just for the sake of it, or because it's there and easy to eat. I'm much more mindful now.

1lb off this morning, which only takes me back to where I was ten days ago, but that serves me right for drinking too much!

Cherrypi Thu 18-Jul-13 09:18:49

3 pounds on this morning :-( I probably shouldn't weigh daily but I did make some mistakes yesterday. I didn't drink enough water. I didn't have enough fat with my tea so wanted to snack in the evening. Then toddler wouldn't sleep so did some emotional eating. I did stick to low carb snacks apart from two seafood sticks which I assumed would be low carb (Lidl ones with no nutritional info on) and then I looked them up and they were high carb and had sugar in. Oh well trying harder today. Had nutmeg in my yoghurt this morning. Toddler turned his nose up at the weetabix my husband gave him and wanted yoghurt like me.

daisychicken Thu 18-Jul-13 09:21:36

Fell off wagon yesterday... was making cakes for school fayre & the kids... and I just had to test that piece that fell to pieces when sliced.... [embarrassed]

Have to say I was so peckish for the rest of the day.... BUT I was good!

back on wagon properly today smile

BIWI Thu 18-Jul-13 09:24:25


well, mostly I need cheap meals (no money til pay day) so I'm thinking meats with frozen veggies for dinners and eggs for lunches at work with things in such as omlettes with added meats / things

These meals sound fine - as long as you are using/adding plenty of fat, and keeping the veg low carb

should I make the omlette in butter instead of oil?

Yes - it will be tastier, and also better - unless you're using coconut oil, cooking with oil isn't great, as the heat changes its nature. (Don't worry too much about this for now - but if you can use butter instead of oil it's always going to be better!)

I can't bring myself to eat breakfasts - any ideas what to have? It will need to be at work (fully functioning kitchen but no time to make anything until lunch hour)

I think to start with you are going to have to get your head around this. The key thing that you're looking to achieve on this WOE (way of eating) is to stabilise your blood sugars and therefore to control your appetite. You won't achieve this if you are skipping breakfast. Eggs are brilliant as they are perfect low carb food, and take no time at all to cook. If you can't face cooking first thing, or really don't have the time - less than 10 minutes! - to boil a couple of eggs, then hard-boil some, and keep them in the fridge. You can just grab one and eat it first thing. BUT BREAKFAST IS REALLY, REALLY IMPORTANT TO GET YOU STARTED PROPERLY!

how about tuna salad (cucumber, lettuce, tomatoes (3 baby ones), mushrooms, spring onions) with tuna over the top and some salad dressing - which dressing are we allowed? is caesar too carby?

Sounds perfect. Salad dressing really should be a homemade dressing - all the shop-bought ones I've seen add sugar. Make your own vinaigrette dressing:

3 tablespoons extra virgin olive oil
1 tablespoon wine vinegar (red or white, or cider vinegar)

Couldn't be easier!

one problem I forsee - I don't like fatty meat... I HATE the skin of chicken etc and find it slimy. Is this going to be an enormous issue?

If you roast a chicken, or a chicken piece, the skin will be crisp not slimy! It is lovely! It isn't the end of the world if you don't like fatty meat, but you will have to get used to eating more fat in your diet. That said, the danger of only eating lean protein is that you eat a disproportionately high amount of protein, and it becomes a high protein diet instead of a high fat diet. I suspect, though, that this is in your head rather than a real preference - and once you get going on low carbing your tastes will change!

I have eaten "low fat" diets for ever (well, when I diet, I mean... if I ate low fat forever I'd not be 21st!) - it's a really difficult thing to get into my head; where to "add" the fat?!

Well, eating a low fat diet clearly doesn't work, does it?! grin We have been conned over the last 30 years or so, being told to drop the fat. It's not the fat that makes you fat, it's the carbs. It's one of the most difficult things for everyone when they start following a low carb (and therefore high fat) diet - and it feels like a real leap of faith to start with. But trust us - it really does work! Most importantly, the fat will make you feel full and will keep you feeling full for longer.

I don't really like crisp skin either but it's all right... I think it's more changing my mind about it; since I was a tiny child, my mother removed the skin on roasts etc because it's "bad" for you... that's a good 25 years of input to reverse!

Well exactly!

And now, to finish, two key questions:


This is really important to help you get off to the best possible start. I would also suggest that you have a really good read of all the resources on the spreadsheet - there's some great stuff there (especially some of the videos) about low carb eating. Everything you need to know is here - just look at the tabs at the bottom

BIWI Thu 18-Jul-13 09:27:17

Cherrypi - daily weighing is a difficult one, because our bodies do fluctuate wildly on a daily basis. And at the moment, with this heat, it's likely that there is a degree of water retention going on there.

However, it does also illustrate that this WOE isn't a forgiving one, and you can't hide a cheat from the scales!

If you find it's too upsetting, then I'd suggest that you revert to weekly weighing.

Cherrypi Thu 18-Jul-13 09:44:10

Thanks BIWI. I think I'll keep daily weighing if the feedback is so quick it can only be helpful.

Mouseface Thu 18-Jul-13 10:22:23


So, I've weighed in and I'm 10st 6lbs. I'm 5ft 6in.

Not happy with the way I feel currently, I'm sluggish (heat not helping, nor a none sleeping boy) and eating at odd times. I was actually sick when I ate last night (cheese and oat thins) so went straight to bed with a pint of water.

I have had a Muller greek style fat free yog for breakfast in lemon, not the single ones, the multipack ones that are smaller.

No idea re lunch and dinner or snacks.

Thanks for the beer info BIWI - it's more the alcohol to be honest at the time, being a Brave Babe and all that grin

Well done to those who have lost so much, I'm loving the fat and water idea whoever posted that, I can do that. Cheese and water!!! grin

So, I'm stuck, wobbly around the middle and want to do something in the next couple of weeks to shift 5/6 pounds.

Help please. xxx

prettybird Thu 18-Jul-13 10:29:16

Why did you have a fat free yoghurt? hmm

prettybird Thu 18-Jul-13 10:34:45

Sorry - posted too soon.

Lidl full fat Greek Yoghurt (10%) is good and you can get it in big tubs. So is Total full fat. I have it for breakfast with a wee smidgeon of extra double cream and some cinnamon and a few raspberries, but I'm allowed 'cos I'm no longer on the first two weeks of strict Boot Camp

Have you read the Boot Camp rules? Fat is not to be feared, it is to be embraced. smile

Negroni Thu 18-Jul-13 10:34:59

Lewis One thing I like having for breakfast (often eaten when making DP and DD1's packed lunches) are slices of ham, spread with mayonnaise (check carb counts but many are lowish) and sometimes with a piece of lettuce on top. Roll it up and just put in mouth. Can do the same with cream cheese - though I am trying to avoid dairy. You could have a few slices of these - obv. the less processed the meat the better, but i think it fulfills the criteria of 1) quick to make 2) easy to travel with/ keep in office 3) has fat in.

Down another 1/2 pound since my 6th July week long detour. Only another pound to go till I get back to that weight. Am sticking religiously to the 3l of water and I think it really helps ( though working from home fits in with regular trips to the loo!). A friend I haven't seen for 6 months is visiting in a week and a half so would like to keep this up till then so I am properly a good bit slimmer than when she last saw me.

Negroni Thu 18-Jul-13 10:37:54

pretty and others who have yoghurt and cream - quick question (even though I am off dairy for now) - when you add cream to yoghurt are you just adding double cream directly from tub ie in pouring consistency or are you whipping it first? I like the idea of it whipped but clearly that would take time and could not whip it in v small quantities and large quantities of whipped cream - well, bit dangerous for someone who thinks dairy stalls her weightlosss

Mouseface look at the carb count on the side of your low-fat yoghurt. Its probably quite high. Total Greek Yoghurt - my pot says 3.8g per 100g. Given we should only be eating veg with carb count of 3g/100g or lower, I don't think you'd want to eat yogurts with carb counts much higher than that. Not all Greek Yoghurts are low-carb enough (eg, the Co-op one is not.)

Also, on the famous fabulous spreadsheet there is a tab called Ubercamp. That gives menu ideas for 3 days. Its a very strict and non-dairy form of bootcamp but it might give you some ideas you can use as a basis and adjust to your tastes.

Negroni I've just poured a small amount of cream into the yoghurt. Really delicious mix but you are right - dangerous if dairy affects you!

Negroni Thu 18-Jul-13 10:50:55

Crabby the almond butter is meridian! I really like it ! In the local health food shop they also had a similar cashew butter (sadly only for when I am maintaining - too many carbs) and a peanut butter.

Am a bit blush to discover I went to health food shop to source coconut oil and low carb peanut butter and then discover 1) everyone buys much cheaper coconut oil over internet/ in asian shops - already dispatched my dad to an asian shop to do this and 2) the same almond butter is in sainsbury's!

I will just try to style this out and feel good about supporting local independent shops.

StuntNun Thu 18-Jul-13 11:02:20

Crabby I was at McDonalds with the kids the other day (flame grilled chicken salad is the only low carb option and I take my own dressing in a jar I bought specially from BM Bargains blush) and took one of DS2's French fries to try. I couldn't actually eat it (spat out discretely into a napkin) as it was a horrible soggy tasteless thing. So why did I used to hoover them down before this WOE?

prettybird Thu 18-Jul-13 11:16:15

I just pour a teeny bit of cream onto the yoghurt and stir it through. It gives it a nice wee bit of extra richness.

Lidl yoghurt is 3.2g carbs per 100g smile

Cherrypi Thu 18-Jul-13 11:39:27

Are the little pots different from the big ones prettybird? Just double checked my Lidl one and it's 5g

prettybird Thu 18-Jul-13 12:12:42

Never looked at the little ones - have only ever bought the big tub.

The Lidl Muller corner look-alike that I have (for ds) doesn't have nutritional information on it but does have ingredients - peach (9.1%), sugar, glucose-fructose syrup, passion fruit juice from concentrate (2.3%), dextrose, thickeners: pectin, guar gum, xanthan gum, modified maize startch, concetrated carrot juice, pumpkin concetrate, acidity regulators: citric acid, sodium citrate, calcaium citrate;flavouring complete the with disclaimer "No artificial preservatives or colours hmm Hate to think what the carb count is! wink

Ingredient list for the Eridanous Greek Yoghurt: creamy yoghurt 10% fat grin

Mouseface Thu 18-Jul-13 12:34:11

Sorry Pretty blush blush - I clearly need to read the rules before posting, I'm new to this, it's what I had in the fridge.

Thank you Lily for your help. I'll take myself off and have a good read before daring to eat lunch smile

Mouseface Thu 18-Jul-13 12:47:47

I'm going to have a good read and think, I have no idea how to enter my details on the spreadsheet. TBH, I might have to start on Sat as Nemo leaves preschool tomorrow after a really rough ride and my emotions are all over the place.


I can't even think straight at the mo...

I will come back later and ask for help if that's okay on how to fill in the spread sheet etc. I DO WANT THIS but I need to be not crying every few flaming minutes so that I can see to add my weight etc.....

Plus, I'm in the early stages of menopause (38.5 yrs) so my hormones are fluctuating wildly as it is.

I need a Boot Buddy please if anyone is willing to hold my mousey paw for a day or two until I get my head around fat is good, low fat is bad..... it's upside down to me, I thought I knew what low carbing was, I was wrong looking at the Rules.

Be back later when I can get a flaming grip! grin

prettybird Thu 18-Jul-13 12:54:40

This Way of Thinking Eating does take some getting used to after years of indroctrination grin

I felt positively wicked when I picked up the blue top milk in Lidl rather than green top milk! wink. It does mean I put less milk in my tea now though! smile

Mouseface Thu 18-Jul-13 13:02:23

Also, I've just bought all low fat stuff and have NONE of the foods in on the list that I can eat so I think I'm going to have to start next week, go to Aldi/Sainsburys and start label reading again but for all the other reasons, as in fat! grin

Mouseface Thu 18-Jul-13 13:04:06

It's all diet this and zero fat that in this house, well for me. Nemo is tube fed so has his own feed, DD eats what she likes, as does DH, I'm really going to have to rummage around for something, or start next week.

BerylStreep Thu 18-Jul-13 13:14:04

Oh Bugger!

My electrician has just asked if I have put on weight. I said no, and he then asked if I was pregnant.


I said no, and it's now a bit awkward as we are both mortified.

good grief beryl, i'm surprised he's survived long enough to be qualified as an electrician with those lines!

lewis I would say try to keep an open mind. Before this WoE I didn't like asparagus or avocado amongst many biter things. My taste buds have changed though and I love both of these now!!! I am not saying you are going to love everything tomorrow, but you might find in a while it worth trying different things!

beryl WTAF! Who in their right mind ever asks anyone if they have put on weight. Perhaps he has confused you with someone else...

BerylStreep Thu 18-Jul-13 13:24:56

I know. I might go and change my dress, which is one of those long maxi dress affairs with a belt.

mouseface it's ok, it does take a little while to get your head around rules that seem to run counter to everything you've been told about 'healthy' eating. it took me a long time to be comfortable with full fat mayonnaise

and it sounds like you have a lot on your plate as it is

have a good read of everything, ask any and all questions here (no questions are stupid). don't worry about the spreadsheet either, if it's misbehaving just let me know and i will sort it out

prettybird Thu 18-Jul-13 13:26:36

Bummer. I have bottles of diet ginger beer that are now sitting not being drunk!

The plus side is that once you have got rid of the diet stuff, you can stock up on tasty food rather than things that have been stuffed with sweetener and/or cornstarch and/or maize gum to make up for the lack of flavour and substance once the fat has been removed. smile

Savoy cabbage microwaved braised in plenty of butter is one treat. Another one is thinly sliced leeks, slowly cooked in plenty of butter and then some cream bubbled through. Yummy. smile

BerylStreep Thu 18-Jul-13 13:26:48

Or go and put on some giant pants which go up to my armpits.

BIWI Thu 18-Jul-13 13:36:07

prettybird - I do that with some leeks, and also add some chilli flakes and handful of grated cheese. Marvellous grin

beryl - how rude!

prettybird Thu 18-Jul-13 13:44:15

Might try that BIWI. Although I do like the leeks simply seasoned with sea salt and plenty of black pepper.

Asparagus roasted in the oven with some olive oil and then served with shavings of Parmesan is also nice.

Cauliflower florets roasted with olive (or coconut) oil with a generous sprinkling of cumin and coriander (and salt) is a great substitute for potatoes.

Mouseface Thu 18-Jul-13 14:45:40

I've just gone through the kitchen, it's ALL diet or low/no fat so I am going to get rid, and start a fresh, just like you with your ginger beer Pretty - thank you for stopping a panic attack! grin

Reading back, some of you have done so well smile

I'll be back later to add all my details on the spreadsheet.

I am so looking forward to full fat ANYTHING!!!! grin

prettybird Thu 18-Jul-13 15:00:20

Sssssshhhhhh, don't tell BIWI but because diet drinks are as bad as sugary drinks, it means that if you are really thirsty or hot, you may as well enjoy a slug of full-fat Irn Bru 'cos the diet stuff is foul and bad for you anyway blush

NewStartNewStory Thu 18-Jul-13 15:44:12

shock prettybird shock

Xenia Thu 18-Jul-13 15:48:04

Yes it can be hard to explain to people. One my adult daughters was telling us hilariously about her conversations with a PA at work who is trying to lose weight and seemed amazed my daughter who is pretty slim uses full fat butter etc

The Carb Curb and the rather long programme I mentioned above Fathead give some interesting perspectives on it too.

The bottom line is that people have been sold a lie for 30 years that carb is good and fat is bad and in consequence more than half British people are now overweight.

prettybird Thu 18-Jul-13 15:51:05

It's only the occasional slurp straight from the bottle - less than once a week. blush

But I do it mindfully wink

BIWI Thu 18-Jul-13 17:14:12

shock prettybird!

prettybird Thu 18-Jul-13 17:24:52

You weren't supposed to hear that BIWI grin

I have just watched dh and ds demolish a 2l bottle of Irn Bru watching the Tour and all I had to drink was a couple of glasses of water, a cup of tea and a cup of rooibos with a teaspoon of coconut oil. smile

BIWI Thu 18-Jul-13 17:26:19

I have eyes and ears everywhere, prettybird - you should know that by now wink

Mouseface Thu 18-Jul-13 17:48:09

Okay - I'm back to pester prettybird to ask for help on how I get my name and weight on the spreadsheet please?

Oh and just to add another downer into my sad day, the GP has added Tramadol into my meds, so not only am I on a tonne of morphine daily, I am back on Tramadol too. Another med that bungs me up. <overshare>

So, where do I start? How can I get on the spreadsheet? Is there a secret handshake? Standing on one leg is out, I'd fall into someone! grin

NewStartNewStory Thu 18-Jul-13 18:27:13

carb creep has been bad today. but then i have drunk nearly 12 cups of coffee with milk in as i didn't sleep as all last night. Don't worry been no where near a car

B: scrambled eggs done in butter (5am) and meds
Snack: scrambled eggs done in butter (11am)
Lunch: salad with mayo and meds
tea: spag bol sauce with broccoli and some cheese
snack: couple of mini baby bels

Lots of water has been drunk too and have been over the minimum. I intend to drink some more from the nice bottle that has been chilling in the freezer for the last hour or so.

going to try to fix the sleep aspect but must be up until 8pm for a light snack and more meds.

Mouseface - don't worry we'll catch you if you wobble. grin

StuntNun Thu 18-Jul-13 18:43:44

It's a tough WOE to get your head round at first Mouse but in a couple of weeks you'll be frying mushrooms in butter, drenching cabbage in butter, making homemade salad dressing with olive oil, eating lovely crispy chicken skin and pork chop fat and laughing as the weight drops off. Keep the fat high and the water high and try not to eat too many berries or too much dairy (apart from butter). I have found a lot of things can be cooked just without the carbs. For example baked salmon (brush a piece of foil with olive oil, put salmon fillet in with butter, cumin, coriander and citrus zest, fold up the foil into a parcel so there's an air pocket above the salmon and bake at 180 for 30 minutes), roasted broccoli and fried mushrooms - add some new potatoes if you're feeding carb-eaters. Bingo - high fat low carb but quite normal food. Or melt some butter, mix in salt, pepper and dried rosemary and brush on to chicken legs and/or thighs before roasting at 180 for 30 minutes (legs) or 40 minutes (thighs). You can do crust bread or chips for carb-eaters and a couple of vegetables or salad with an oily dressing for everybody. Another thing I do is a stir fry with lots of vegetables, my kids get noodles and DH and I get an extra big portion of stir fry.

Today has been back on track. My belt indicates a bit of weight gain and my hunger levels are higher after yesterday's cheat meal so I have focused on eating right and getting plenty of water.
B: strawberries and cream
L: tiger prawn salad with oily dressing, chargrilled beef salad with spicy natural yoghurt dressing (can't wait to make this at home), cheese board and celery (donated the grapes to DS3)
D: low carb sausages and mushrooms fried in butter

I'm meeting a friend for a drink tonight. Would a gin and slimline tonic be suitable?

Mouseface Thu 18-Jul-13 18:46:29

Thank you Stunt and NewStory smile

Fat and water I can do!! What a weird way of thinking though!

BIWI Thu 18-Jul-13 19:11:25
prettybird Thu 18-Jul-13 19:21:48

Mouseface - can't remember how I got onto the spreadsheet first time round (it was at the start of the January Boot Camp) - I might just have put my name and weight at the bottom of the list.

If not, I am sure that Willie , who looks after the spreadsheet, will add you. smile

Just done a shopping at Lidl: the wee Greek yoghurts (with added cream) are indeed 5g carbs/100g. Strange. Just get the big tub - better value anyway! grin

loopyloou Thu 18-Jul-13 19:33:40

Hope everyone's ok and coping with the heat.

I've drunk a lot more today, had a big glass this morning then over 1.5 litres of water at work.

Feeling a bit bloated today. I did have a white wine spritzer yesterday as I was invited to the pub. Had lunch there, ham and cheese omelette with salad. For breakfast I had scrambled egg with courgettes fried in butter and for dinner sausages with salad. A snack of 2 spoons natural yoghurt.

Today I've had scrambled egg with bits of bacon and tomato, for lunch tuna mayo with cucumber and for dinner bolognese with cheese and lettuce with oily dressing. Snacks of 2 Babybel and 6 thin slices of salami.

I think I'm possibly having too much cheese. My scales still aren't working, but as mentioned I feel a bit bloated.

I'm struggling to come up with - cheap - ideas for evening meals that involve as little cooking as possible, as a) it's too hot and b) I'm at work all day, get home at 6.

loopyloou Thu 18-Jul-13 19:40:32

Beryl, I can't believe your electrician asked you if you'd put on weight!! How rude!

BerylStreep Thu 18-Jul-13 20:55:27

I know Loopy. I have known him for years & years, and I think he was certain I was pregnant, so that it where the 'have you been putting on weight <wink wink>' comment came from.

When I said dead pan, "no" he then flustered and said 'are you pregnant?' (In front of my DC no less, who perked up with interest, just to complete my humiliation)

DH, bless him, told me that I don't look remotely pregnant, although I did go and put on my massive pants after the conversation with the electrician.

He was extremely apologetic afterwards, and I advised him in future no matter what he thinks, he should never suggest to a woman that she may be pregnant unless he actually physically sees the baby being born.

I wonder will he do a good price given that he has mortally offended me?

MustTidyUpMustTidyUp Thu 18-Jul-13 21:23:46

Good article thanks BIWI.
Today for me
B: crustless egg and bacon pie, yoghurt with flax seed and nuts and coffee with cream.
L: leftover braised cabbage. An egg with mayo
D: chicken kebab no pitta and a small avacado.
S: square of choc, few pork scratchings.
Lots of water and an hours Zumba.

prettybird Thu 18-Jul-13 21:24:36

Beryl - if it is any consolation but I'm sure it won't be I once asked someone who I hadn't seen for a number of years (visiting South Africa, friends of my family out there) when she was due blushblushblush. I swear she looked at least 6 months pregnant. blushblushblush

Nowadays, no matter if someone looks like she is about to pop, unless I hear it from the lady's mouth, I never ever comment about a pregnancy. blushblushblushgrin

This was about 18 years ago blushblushblush.

Did I mention I was blushblushblush?


Beryl and prettybird it can be just as bad the other way round... I once saw someone I know (after a long while) and she said she was due to give birth any day... I said wow I wouldn't have known you were pregnant... you could see her thinking, So, you think I'm so fat that being pregnant doesn't make any difference? A couple of years on, she is now occasionally just about talking to me again.

Negroni Thu 18-Jul-13 22:01:38

Great article BIWI, really good read.

Beryl! I am so glad you put the electrician right about the etiquette of never asking if a woman is pregnant or not.

A drunk man on the tube once insisted on giving up his seat for me after loudly and mistakenly claiming I was pregnant. I tried to put him right but he was too drunk to understand. To make matters worse he wrongly presumed that the male friend I was with was the father and kept making wink wink comments to him about the impending birth. I was totally blush both about the fact that I looked fat and pregnant especially in front of friend and the whole tube carriage. My friend was blush for me and at the fact that the drunk man thought we were a couple. The only person not at all blush was the jolly drunk man who thought he was being a gentleman. I am still blush blush blush at the memory even though it was about 12 years ago.

Good luck Mouse hope you manage to get started. If you're on medication that bungs you up, be aware, this way of eating means that you poo less often (I guess you're just not eating so much bulk like bread, fruit, cereal). To avoid constipation drinking loads of water and eating fat are the things to do. But just be aware of it. (I confess to taking a laxative fairly early on in this before I'd worked out that lots of water/fat was important)

B- scrambled eggs, mushrooms fried in butter
L - sardines, salad, mayo
D - celeriac chips, ratatouille, the rest of the sardines!

Cherrypi Thu 18-Jul-13 22:22:17

Hi all,
Anyone see the Cherry Healey supermarket programme earlier? Advocated high protein over high carb but then promoted low fat dairy.

B- yoghurt and nutmeg, coffee with cream
L- Asda french chilli sausages, scrambled egg with butter and cream, salad and french dressing
D - chicken and tomato soup with cream
S- celery with philiadelphia, a lidl pepperami, a cheesestring

Hmm too much dairy? I managed to resist a twister ice lolly though.

OhCobblers Fri 19-Jul-13 08:34:38

Very disheartened as I'm back up to last weeks weight of 11.4!!!!! Don't understand where I'm going wrong? I am on some meds a the mo so might have something to do with it. Drank over 2 litres of water yesterday which is a miracle. Ate only low carbs this week and apart from win on Wed haven't cheated (I don't think?!).

Any ideas?

NewStartNewStory Fri 19-Jul-13 09:46:41

Not enough water Ohcobblers. I am a similar weight and supposed to be drinking a minimum of 3ltrs/day and in this heat it is closer to 4ltrs plus that gets drunk.

Sneaky mid week weigh in and I am down to 70.5kg that is a whole 1.5kg since i last stood on the scales and despite carb creep!

Negroni Fri 19-Jul-13 10:39:22

I agree with New you should up the water. I am on about 3l a day and it seems to be helping lose all the weight I put on a week ago

Have formed a strategy for today's posh restaurant lunch. No to bread, yes to moderate wine, yes to continuous water drinking, low carb starter and main. If puddings amazing, have one, if not have scoop or 2 of ice cream or cheese!

Cherrypi Fri 19-Jul-13 11:23:30

Back down to where I was and lost an extra half a pound. I need to drink more water too. Any tips seasoned water drinkers?

daisychicken Fri 19-Jul-13 11:36:53

Oh Cobblers Don't forget some meds do bung you up and best to weigh once you've been to the toilet wink

Mouse I have prescribed laxatives because of tramadol (though I've changed drugs now) so worth remembering that it can bung you up but GP should be able to offer you something to help AND as I've said above.. only weigh yourself once you've been to the loo!!!

Doing ok here.. plodding on and researching new recipes - tesco mag have a recipe for pork San choy bow - a pork and veg spicy mix wrapped in lettuce leaves plus a recipe for halloumi, courgette, green bean and tomato salad which would be easily adjustable. Both sound yum!

daisychicken Fri 19-Jul-13 11:39:43

cherrypi - cold cold cold water is best! I also have a soda stream so occasionally fizz some water and pop in the fridge - feels like a treat!

That said.. I've never liked fizzy drinks or squash and only ever has pure juice occasionally.. I've always been a cold water fan or preferable tea tea tea with a hint of coffee! Lol!

NewStartNewStory Fri 19-Jul-13 11:56:08

I have a 1.5ltr bottle that i used for measuring I know i need to have two at least to get my minimum. I find that the only way is to set yourself a target. ie between getting up and lunch i try to get 1x bottle drunk and then get the second drunk by bedtime. it is hard but because i know exactly how much i have or havent drunk it is easier. I put the bottle in the freezer to chill for an hour and half this morning it is lovely and cool in this hot. although don't do what i did last night and forget to remove it cos it is very hard to drink as a very large lump of ice. blush

NewStartNewStory Fri 19-Jul-13 11:58:00

Oh and i don't count what i drink as water/dilute squash (my treat in this heat to stop me diving into icecream in this heat)/coffee etc in my water total. I only count the pure water i drink.

Not doing great on carb creep again today. Coffee is my downfall.

NewStartNewStory Fri 19-Jul-13 12:00:17

urgh lets try that first sentance again so it makes sense blushblush

Oh and i don't count what i drink as water if it comes in the form of dilute squash coffee

that make more sense?