Week 9 - Summer Low Carb Bootcamp - Wimbledon Fortnight!

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BIWI Mon 24-Jun-13 08:46:50

Morning all.

Come and fill in the spreadsheet

Only two weeks to go before we finish this challenge. Time to drop a few more pounds!

But go easy with those strawberries ...

I have been off of this woe all weekend blush combination of no LC food in the house and no money to buy any and baby shower yesterday where only sandwiches etc were available gave me a huge case of the fuckits.
Drinking a bulletproof coffee and I'll have a couple of eggs with butter a bit later. I am going to stick with no dairy, flax, strawbs etc for the remaining two weeks of BC and I will be boot camping for a long time to come! My weight loss seems to be very slow and every few weeks there seems to be something that throws me off track - I have about 10 weeks to lose a stone, that doesn't feel like long enough shock
I'll see how bad I feel about the naughtiness when I step on the scale!

prettybird Mon 24-Jun-13 09:00:36

Marking place. smile

BerylStreep Mon 24-Jun-13 09:01:41

Morning. STS, but I had lots of wine after a super stressful week. blush.

Mum is hopefully getting out of hospital tomorrow, so that's good news.

BIWI Mon 24-Jun-13 09:02:01

Don't worry, bullet, we will keep a chat thread going after the 10 weeks is finished!

And as for things throwing you off track, well, it's called 'life', isn't it? Part of Bootcamp is learning how to deal with them/deciding what strategies you're going to employ - by learning what does and doesn't work for you.

I doubt anybody could go through ten weeks and not slip up every now and then, either intentionally or through circumstances.

daisychicken Mon 24-Jun-13 09:03:05

Just signing in smile

Have been asked at last minute to go on school trip (having offered weeks ago...!) and frantically trying to think what I can take for lunch - any thoughts? Needs to be easy to eat, none smelly and I will only have a freezer block to keep it cool.......

thanks for the new thread - i can't believe it's week 9!

a small gain of 1lb for me, but actually that's a reduction on the gain i had last week due to the humid weather and my period at the same time. i feel much lighter now the weather has broken

BobblyGussets Mon 24-Jun-13 09:16:49

I have been sticking to it with only a few slips ups in the past nine weeks and drinking so much less booze. I still haven't lost any more than I did in the first week or two, hence my lack of input on the spread sheet.

I think I will have to look at portion control. I must say, I don't think I will go back to eating bread, pasta, rice, biscuits and cakes in the way I used to. I have missed my pulses and fruit though.

sybilfaulty Mon 24-Jun-13 09:16:58

Thank you for the thread BIWI.

I haven't weighed this morning but will do so tomorrow. I am determined to keep track of my weight even if I am maintaining for a while whilst the job situation is decided, so I'll weigh and post (although I won't use the spreadsheet)

kotinka Mon 24-Jun-13 09:17:00

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maidofmuss Mon 24-Jun-13 09:19:21

Beating myself up here after a difficult weekend stress-wise and food-wise. I know I sabotage myself sometimes but am trying to tell myself that it will take longer than a few weeks to change old habits. Back on Bootcamp this week. I'll be back later to post meals as it does make me accountable and keep me focussed. Good luck everyone.

couch25cakes Mon 24-Jun-13 09:26:19

Another 1lb off for me smile slow and steady if nothing else.

I was actually lighter on Saturday but the weekend as ever added a little. It was a hectic weekend and all in all I'm happy with my pound.

I've not been on since Thursday, I did pop on to read yesterday but the thread had gone so fast I was overwhelmed grin

I had a day off on Friday for dd's sports day and school picnic. Food wise Friday was pretty good. I took a salad to the picnic and had salmon and fried courgette for dinner, but had 2 glasses of red wine later on with dh while we watched gardeners world (such a galmorous lifestyle!). Then Saturday was the school summer fair so it was black farmers sausages for breakfast, a chicken leg for lunch from the fair and Indian for dinner (chilli paneer and chicken wings and beer ).

I gt back on the wagon yesterday and had scrambled eggs for brunch, yoghurt for a snack and homemade hamburgers for dinner with salad.

Have a good day everyone.

Thanks biwi, what exercise is best to get rid of the glycogen quickly? Weights, cardio, hiit, a combination? I all fully prepared to go for it tonight at the gym to try and get back into keto asap! I have a snazzy new heart rate monitor watch doofer so if you know what percentage heart rate I should aim for to deplete the glycogen that would be helpful. smile

snowballinashoebox Mon 24-Jun-13 09:51:24

I'm on the move again with 2lb off.

I have had the odd glass of red and a fair few squares of green and blacks though. Not going to beat myself up about this as I am finding a balance.

My eczema has suddenly flared up and I am a bit worried it might be cheese which I have been eating a lot of and love. I might try cutting it out this week, gulp.

Crabby your photos remind me of beautiful still life paintings, just lovely.

sybil sorry re your job situation, fingers crossed for you.

daisy how about a salad with feta, parma harm, olives, leaves etc with a nice oily dressing, would probably survive with an ice pack.

ToomuchIsBackOnBootcamp Mon 24-Jun-13 09:58:20

bullet "I have about ten weeks to lose a stone, that doesn't feel like long enough"

Yes, you can do this!! And we will support and help you. (I lost 20lbs so nearly a stone and a half on my first 10 week bootcamp, and I think the last 5 pounds of that came in the last 2 weeks when I was beginning to panic a little after loss slowed). Losing 14 lbs in 10 weeks ie under 2lbs a week is possible if you follow the rules - you just have to decide this is the priority NOW and go for it! <shakes pompoms>

2lb loss for me this morning. Not entirely sure I believe my scales after being at the same weight for a couple of weeks now so I may re-weigh before I commit it to the s/sheet. perhaps it was the threat of my intended Übercamp that scared the crap ketones out of me!! grin

B omelette made with 2 eggs, mushrooms, half a slice of chopped up bacon and butter.

CrabbyBigBottom Mon 24-Jun-13 09:59:01

Thanks for the thread BIWI.

Morning everyone. Thank you Ruby and Sybil for the lovely comments about my blog, and to MrsHP for following it. I wish it could be a job Sybil but I'm not nearly a good enough photographer for that. Thank you though! smile It's just a (very time consuming) hobby, but I do enjoy it. Nature photography has always been my thing but I'm enjoying the challenge of learning about food photography.

Rup I'm in south west Surrey.

NewStart sorry to hear you had such a difficult night. Sleeping badly (or not at all) is a fecker, it really screws up your mood and metabolism.

Well miraculously the wine didn't put a pound on overnight so I keep my 1lb loss for last week. I can't say I'm thrilled with that but that's because I'm a grumpy hungover cowbag who can't shake off this silly slump. hmm

<<goes off to kick self roundly up the arse>>

CrabbyBigBottom Mon 24-Jun-13 10:00:22

Thank you Snowball. smile

NewStartNewStory Mon 24-Jun-13 10:06:54

I am lucky that between 10am and 2:30pm I have flexibility to today. So I am going to go sleep. I know I am going to have to be extra focused tomo but with some good sleep and a proper mental approach to it it will be possible to stay on track with deadlines etc.

Actually eaten:
B: Buttered leaks and scrambled eggs
S: 5 baby bel cheeses.

Drunk 2ltrs of water
Exercise 3 hours total comprised of stretches and flexibility work, stamina work, impact work, and choreography/dance type stuff. Some energetic, some slow and repetitive.

hopefully will now get 4ish hours of sleep. which will be a start. Early night tonight needed.

Morning all. A pound on for me over the weekend. Still no idea what to enter on spreadsheet though with new scales.

Have just been out for my run though so hopefully that will help shift it. Two eggs mashed with butter for breakfast.

Lunch will be salmon bits and salad I think. And BBQ and salad for dinner. Will be avoiding dairy. Have had two cups of tea with milk this morning though. Contemplating trying a bullet proof coffee. Am I brave enough?

Toomuch thanks for the pompoms!

Do it Cider! You won't regret it! you might feel like you've done a line of speed though

middleagedspread Mon 24-Jun-13 10:25:45

Morning All.
Well done to all you losers.
I'm full of shame, I fell off the wagon & into a ditch filled with booze, pavlova & custard tarts. this is especially galling as I was showing off about squeezing into my size 10 jeans.
I've hauled myself back on today.

berryfreeze Mon 24-Jun-13 10:29:33

bullet I bought myself a hula hoop,it is great, I am sure it has helped with an inch and a half lost on waist line, make sure it is a slightly weighted one, and there are loads of videos on you tube to look at, I normally do 20 mins in morning and 10 in evening.

I'm no good at hula hooping! DSM has one and I have tried a few times.
I do strength training mainly, and as little cardio as I can get away with - its so boring! I am increasing it though with some interval training and a bit of running. I just love weights so much I hate wasting my gym time on the treadmill sad
Weights are paying off though - my biceps and glutes are definitely bigger, I just need to get my body fat percentage down a lot bit more and get some definition and vascularity going on! <hulks up> <grrr>

berryfreeze Mon 24-Jun-13 11:06:38

I was rubbish when I first started, can keep it up now for 20 mins can't do all the hand work though, I keep dropping it and hurting myself!

loopy287 Mon 24-Jun-13 11:16:51

Is there much point joining now, BIWI? Or will you be running another bootcamp when this one is finished? Full of motivation today, I'm sure it won't last! hmm

loopy probably the next formal bootcamp will start sometime in september/october for the lead-up to <whispers> christmas

but we always have a chat thread going in between and you're very welcome to start and post for support and advice

loopy287 Mon 24-Jun-13 11:38:57

Thanks, Willie smile

StuntNun Mon 24-Jun-13 11:50:54

I'm very pleased with my first week of Bootcamp Light as I have lost 6 lb even with a few slip up and cheats along the way. DH is away this week so I'm going to be really strict as without him here I can eat whatever time I want rather than scheduling around his working hours. In two weeks I'll be on holiday so I want to have good progress by then since I'll be at the mercy of other people's cooking.

Yesterday was B: strawberries and Greek yoghurt
S: 16 almonds
L: bacon, LC sausage, mushrooms
D: cod baked in butter and double cream with buttered baby leeks and buttered broccoli
S: spare ribs in barbecue sauce from the Chinese takeaway - probably the cause of my slight gain since yesterday blush

BIWI Mon 24-Jun-13 11:54:30

Welcome, loopy - why not just jump in and join us now? We will all still be here after the ten weeks has finished!

bullet - I'm not sufficiently up on things like that to really answer you properly, but I would imagine that the more intense your workout, the more energy you will need, therefore the more you can hope to access your glycogen stores. So some HIIT would probably be good. I do HIIT various on the bike, the cross trainer and the rower - and find it definitely more 'draining' on the cross trainer.

kotinka Mon 24-Jun-13 11:58:51

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Biwi - awesome, I'll do a full body weights sesh (deadlifts, squats, clean and press that kinda thing) and some hiit on the cross trainer.
I have some pork Thai curry for my dinner afterwards, I might roast some broccoli to go with it. Gonna have a salad with chicken and chorizo for lunch.
Hopefully I'll be back in keto by the morning. 1.5l of water down so far.

kotinka Mon 24-Jun-13 12:12:30

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Thanks kotinka smile I didn't know that. One of the many and varied reasons I love lifting is the 'afterburn' effect but that is fat burning.

Ohh thank for the link, I'll have a look later on smile

NobodyPutsMyBabyInTheCorner Mon 24-Jun-13 12:22:11

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NobodyPutsMyBabyInTheCorner Mon 24-Jun-13 12:31:49

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kotinka Mon 24-Jun-13 12:36:50

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nobody celeriac chips are lovely (esp dipped in mayo). i don't know what recipe you have, but personally i don't parboil them as i have found them too mushy that way

BIWI Mon 24-Jun-13 13:29:25

That's an interesting link, kotinka.

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NobodyPutsMyBabyInTheCorner Mon 24-Jun-13 14:30:55

Willie I was going to parboil mine but I wont now smile. How do you do yours?

daisychicken Mon 24-Jun-13 14:38:52

Today's meals:

B piece cheese and few slices salami
S 20g peanuts
L rest of last nights fajita mix (no wrap) with grates cheese, salsa and a muffin crustless quiche plus 80g lidl yog and a couple tsp berries
D BIWIs sausage and roast veg mix - might make it slightly more ratatouille like with tomatoes and garlic

Made 12 mini crustless quiches in a fairy cake tin so will have some for lunchbox tomorrow with salad.

Negroni Mon 24-Jun-13 14:39:20

Thanks for the new thread BIWI!

Went to my party on Saturday night - carbs and much booze was had. But I feel ok about it! Back on the wagon yesterday and all feels fine. Was worried it would plunge me into big carb craving zone but I seemed to have escaped that.

Will weigh in tomorrow as want to give self a fighting chance to limit the damage done.

Black - great news about your college course, well done!

Congratulations to all the losers this week too!

kotinka Mon 24-Jun-13 14:43:00

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nobody - cut the celeriac up into batons (about 1cm thick chips), put in baking tray and liberally drizzle with olive oil. i try to make sure they have enough space - if they aren't well spread out on the baking tray they don't crisp up as well. then very hot oven for about 45 mins, checking and turning every so often as needed. sometimes they need longer to get nicely browned

they're nice sprinkled with paprika or curry powder or salt and pepper if you like it before you put them in the oven

NewStartNewStory Mon 24-Jun-13 14:54:07

That was a very interesting article Kotinka

Whoever (sorry can't scroll back) was saying about the hola hoop, i second getting a weighted one. I borrowed on recently at the insistence of a friend. I found that it kept itself going and was sooo much easier the the toy hoops that I had tried when I was a child. It was a pleasure rather then a chore to do. Highly recommend it.

Sleep was good. not enough but good. Have woken up ridiculously thirsty and just a little bit thirsty, will fix the food bit when i have done the school run and am getting ds his afternoon munchies. Child is going through a massive growth spurt atm. I swear I shall be getting neck ache from him being taller then me before he goes to high school.

captainmummy Mon 24-Jun-13 15:28:19

I raid that article Kotinka - but at the back of my mind was the Andrew MArr interview I heard,. He was doing HIT and it was during this that he has his stroke/haemorrhage so he blames the 20second bursts !

Not trying to frighten anyone....

BlackAffronted Mon 24-Jun-13 16:49:37

Signing in but not weighing, having a horrible back-into-ketosis-bleed sad so I am bloated and feeling crap. Doing fine with food though, and keeping the water flowing!

NewStartNewStory Mon 24-Jun-13 16:58:07

what I would like to know is the level of activity before Andrew Marr started HIT. was he the sort of person who would do intensive exercise or not. I personally don't think the HIT caused the stroke but aggravated an existing problem. I do think that the body would find it a bit of a sudden shock to never been working at above 60%-70% to suddenly be make to work at the intensity required. I know when i was returning to exercise i needed to build up the intensity levels and still couldn't manage the levels required for HIT. But that is my personal opinion.

Feeling a little bug eyed but drunk a decaff coffee in order to get over the mental wish for a caffine boost (ie have the taste) without having the actual hit of caffine which will stop me sleeping later.

Late lunch of a salad and dollop of mayo was filing and stopped the normal 3pm need to pick.

Am thinking about the approach to food for tomo. Leftovers for tea tonight for the carb eaters (roast pork, veg and potatoes) don't fancy the meat without gravy and only have bisto which I am thinking is a big No No? So think i will do some cauliflower and some more buttered leeks and just pile a load of butter on the cauli to make up the fat quantities. Hoping that this is more along the lines of balance that I am aiming for??

Am going to be over on my water drinking and cut the coffees down to 2 normal plus one decaff.

A good start today. now to keep this up and actually see the scales shift some by the end of the week

tigerchair Mon 24-Jun-13 17:17:31

Hi everyone smile

Have had a hectic week and not been online much so glad I've found the new thread, thanks BIWI.

Well done to all the losers, I've 2lbs off since last week with being good over 90% of time but still some slip ups (wine, crisps...oops)

daisychicken Mon 24-Jun-13 17:35:35

Berry - did you get bruises or stiff muscles when you started hula-hooping? I'm wondering if it might help tone my tum but am a little niggly that it might aggravate my fibro...

Kotinka - I find if I am organised and meal plan most meals then I'm more likely to keep to the diet plus I spend less! Carbs are so easy to reach for when a quick meal is wanted and the kids are pestering for food... this way I can try and keep on top of it!

ZimboMum Mon 24-Jun-13 17:47:12

Signing in. Sts this week. Hoping to shift a few more lbs this week. Today has been
B bacon and eggs
L ham mozzarella and tomato
S pork scratchings
D stir fried steak and veg. Will add butter to veg etc while cooking.
Lots of fizzy water and water.

Have found that a bit of coke zero keeps sneaking in I know I know I find its mainly when I'm meeting up with friends for coffee etc when I just can't face another water. I begrudge paying a lot for bottled/sparkling water when a coke is just as much. Don't drink tea or coffee and I think therein lies the problem! Making a conscious effort this week to say no to coke!

Blackaffronted you had that before didn't you?

Zimbomum I find the diet coke habit very easy to slip back into, it really doesn't take much!

BigPotatoes Mon 24-Jun-13 18:10:53

Oh my gosh *nob

BigPotatoes Mon 24-Jun-13 18:12:03

Oh my gosh nobody! You aren't me by any chance are you?

I had cheesecake (no spag Bol though), 4lb weight loss and inches off!

You don't have a DD do you?

BigPotatoes Mon 24-Jun-13 18:12:19

Haha went too early there!

NobodyPutsMyBabyInTheCorner Mon 24-Jun-13 18:26:23

wow, that's odd potatoes I have a 6 year old DS and a just two DD.

BIWI Mon 24-Jun-13 18:37:46

ZimboMum - just watch out - you have a lot of processed food in your menu: bacon, ham and pork scratchings. And that's on top of your Coke!

Choccywoccydiddlyboo Mon 24-Jun-13 18:51:45

Has anybody got any advice on how to stay on track when having a weak moment? I know low carb is better for me but for various reasons I lose the plot occasionally and struggle to get back on track. Do any of you put inspirational notes to yourself on your kitchen cupboards or something?

I know just one piece of chocolate will lead to more and more so need to stop myself. When I start afresh I know that it's good for me and I feel better, but it's like I forget that after a couple of weeks or so it doesn't seem to matter as much.

I try not to have much junk in but sometimes dh will come home with chocs or crisps and I find it hard to resist!

BIWI Mon 24-Jun-13 19:18:31

Ultimately, no-one else can make the choice but you. I can shout and wave my big stick at you as much as you like, but it's you whose putting the stuff in your mouth!

Ask your DH not to come home with stuff like that if you can't resist it.

decaffwithcream Mon 24-Jun-13 19:27:49

Have something low carb that you really enjoy and use that as a treat to avoid bad treats choccy.

I had blackberries and cream this weekend, lower carb than strawberries and the cream satisfies sweet cravings.

maidofmuss Mon 24-Jun-13 19:27:52

Hi everyone.
Just checking in and logging my meals to keep on track. I am going to Bootcamp all this week. Had to rush out really early again this morning and couldn't face more than black coffee but was fine until lunch.
L omelette and sauteed mushrooms
D over-baked stuffed cabbage parcels (with shallot, mushrooms, chicken, celery and herbs)
Will weigh in tomorrow or Wednesday when I'm feeling brave enough, hoping that I can put STS instead of a gain from over-indulging at the weekend.
Have bought lots of veg at the supermarket to inspire me tomorrow.
Congratulations to all of you who've managed to lose this week. Lend me some of your resolve!

rubybricks Mon 24-Jun-13 19:50:47

evening everyone and well done to all the losers!
and thanks BIWI for the new thread flowers

well the celeriac tartiflette was...^okaaaay^!
i chopped it up a bit smaller and went half-and-half on the reblochon rind, it was really rich and creamy, but a little unusual-tasting, think i will stick to roast celeriac in future. i did have to laugh, though, thinking i should post a version of my dinners to correspond with Crabby's beautiful blog - the kitchen was like a bomb-site by the time i'd finished!

weighing in tomorrow as forgot this morning - hope everyone doing alright

NewStartNewStory Mon 24-Jun-13 19:52:56

well the thought of the big stitch twitching has helped when it came to tea. Was seriously considering say meh cba BUT I didn't. I actually cooked a proper high fat meal shock As I used mfp to track my energy expenditure to try to sort the pacing thing out, today i put the food thing in too. there is something satisfying seeing the little fat eaten number sitting in a nice red colour ;)

Tea was:
Leeks and mushrooms fried in a lot of butter and a dash of oil to stop burning, seasoned with salt, pepper and basil. Stirred in some philadephia full fat. This was then dumped on cauliflower and a little bit of cheese grated on the top.

Choccywoccydiddlyboo Mon 24-Jun-13 19:55:22

Daisy I like the sound of mini crust less quiches. What recipe did you follow and did you grease them or use cupcake cases?

Choccywoccydiddlyboo Mon 24-Jun-13 20:03:38

I usually have blueberries with Greek yoghurt as a treat. Also have bought a tub of bacon and egg sandwich filling that I can dip into quickly.

I hope dh will join me in lc soon and stop buying chocolate. I need to have a big sort out tomorrow and get rid of all the crap in the house.

berryfreeze Mon 24-Jun-13 20:51:39

daisy I do have a bruise on top of my hip, legs were a little stiff but have a bit more flexibility, but never really had stiff muscles after, maybe check with your doc before hand.

Oh FFS, I have put on 4lb. That'll learn me.
I'll weigh myself again in the morning and put down whatever it says on the spreadsheet, hopefully a bit less than today.
I have been drinking like a fish and I've just done a pretty intense workout so hopefully that has got rid of some of the glycogen and water weight post-carbicide.
Need to eat dinner now - bleh.

BIWI Mon 24-Jun-13 21:25:21

You haven't just weighed yourself now, have you, bullet? No point - you are just weighing everything you've eaten and drunk today!

Wait until the morning.

ChippingInWiredOnCoffee Mon 24-Jun-13 21:28:32

I was up a couple of pounds this morning - a bit frustrating. Though possibly self inflicted - well, semi, a friend cooked for me yesterday and I'm not 100% sure if it was all as low carb as it would have been if I'd cooked it and I had a vodka and diet coke. Hopefully just glycogen and hopefully it will shift soon sad

Getting further away from my goal was not my plan!! <sigh>

Still, a friend said to me today - You are the incredible shrinking woman grin I'll take that smile She said she can see the difference in me, everytime she sees me & that I must be shrinking out of my clothes at an annoying rate. I was gringringrin - especially considering no-one else has said A Thing except for one person who said 'So how is it going - have you lost any weight doing this' and she is lovely so definitely wouldn't have been being nasty or anything.

StuntNun Mon 24-Jun-13 21:30:04

I just survived the school end of term barbecue. I had a burger (no bun), sausage (no bun) and some rocket. So the sausage and burger maybe more carby than preferable but I didn't do too badly.

B: Greek yoghurt and fried mushrooms (not at the same time though, that would be weird)
L: salad with feta and black olives
S: two sausages (leftover from the kids' lunch yesterday)
D: burger, sausage, rocket

So a bit heavy on the processed food but otherwise okay. I'm off to drink a lot of water now. Tbh I'm getting a bit bored of water all the time. I might get one of those Innocent smoothies and split it over two days.

ChippingInWiredOnCoffee Mon 24-Jun-13 21:31:26

bullet - as BIWI just said, you haven't just weighed yourself have you??

How do you make your bulletproof coffee? I have the link, but that seems like an enormous faff and I'm sure all the posters saying they have had BPC aren't doing all that!! Are they???

Wise words biwi - I didn't think of that!
I am going expecting a little gain at least. But it might not be 4lb. I can only weigh at the gym (not allowed scales - previous ishoos! blush)so I have always eaten breakfast when I weigh in, but I try not to drink any water until after I weigh in. Then I guzzle about a litre in one go grin

kotinka Mon 24-Jun-13 21:38:19

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Yes I did weigh in about an hour ago! <twit>
Chipping I make a pot of coffee (stove top moka pot) with good ground coffee, pour ton into a large jug, add a large tbsp of coconut oil and about double the amount of unsalted butter and blitz with the stick blender.Its lush!

kotinka Mon 24-Jun-13 21:39:22

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Ignore the random "ton" confused

daisychicken Mon 24-Jun-13 21:55:34

Chocky - I used my normal quiche filling recipe (fried off tops of spring onions with chopped bacon, then added eggs whisked with cream plus grated cheese and ground black pepper. I sprinkled Parmesan over the top) and used fairy cake cases in a fairy cake tin. I think I used 8 eggs and made 12 mini quiches. Obviously recipe is easy to adjust to whatever quiche you like smile

As for the cravings - best tip I was given is to make sure you have plenty of low carb stuff to nibble... and find something that seems like a treat so you feel you are not missing out.

Berry - Thanks for hula hoop info, I'm seeing my GP this week so will ask - sounds a good way to help tone up!

ChippingInWiredOnCoffee Mon 24-Jun-13 21:57:05

bullet - you twat grin You can easily deduct 2lb off of that then!

How are you finding this WOE if you have had previous issues? I weigh daily, I find it really helps me. It also helps that I record it daily and can see the ups & downs and I don't panic over them.

Coconut oil & butter - it's making me heave at the thought of it, but the thought of 'Coffee on Speed' is very appealing... Do you have any idea how much coconut oil & butter to add to a cup of coffee - I'm a slack coffee machine (senseo pads) user!

Choccywoccydiddlyboo Mon 24-Jun-13 22:00:31

Lol Kotinka. My name is actually to do with my previous dog who was a chocolate working cocker and his nickname was choccywoccy! But I guess you're right. It is a constant reminder.

I do generally have that sort of stuff in the fridge. I think the problem is more about willpower. It happens to me again and again that after a few weeks I "forget" why I'm doing it and have some chocolate hmm Each time I swear I won't do it again, and yet I do. It's ridiculous. I need to find a way of telling myself why I shouldn't give in to the cravings ( sometimes due to stress, sometimes hormonal).

Choccywoccydiddlyboo Mon 24-Jun-13 22:02:11

Mmm Daisy, the quiches sound lovely, I will have a go tomorrow if I can get some cream.

timidviper Mon 24-Jun-13 22:20:01

I am down 2lb making a total of a stone so far in this bootcamp smile (blithely ignoring the fact that I have been up and down like a yoyo to get there!) My next mini-goal is the 3 stone off mark which is another 3lb down but I have a lot of family stuff on in the next week or two so will have to see.

I went out for a curry yesterday with friends and fell off the wagon into a korma but have been good today except for some Diet Coke so hope to have minimised the damage.
B: A few strawberries with a dollop of Total f/f youghurt and vanilla
L: 2 sausages and 2 eggs, scrambled with a little cream and butter
T: Skin on roasted chicken leg, creamed leek, mange tout, green beans and asparagus tips

BIWI Mon 24-Jun-13 22:20:39

Brilliant, timid!

I really like that there is no measuring of food involved in this woe, it helps me to relax about it all. I weigh every time I go to the gym, but I am learning slowly to take the variations with a pinch of salt! I find that as long as I am going to the gym regularly I can keep on top of the crazies!
For the coffee my pot makes a double/triple espresso and I use a large tbsp of coconut oil and about 2 large tbsp of unsalted butter. smile

Sorry I should have put a grin at the beginning!

Ruprekt Mon 24-Jun-13 22:31:19

Chipping....I am making my first Bulletproof Coffee in the morning as I now have coconut oil.

I feel sick at the thought of it but hey ho!

Am going to do a 'proper' shot of real coffee and add a dollop of oil and a tbsp butter. Whisk it up with the blender and try not to throw up!!!

When are we having a meet up? Am sure Crabby does not live too far from us either......we could do a SE meetup....

Ruprekt Mon 24-Jun-13 22:47:20

Ha! I forgot to say!! More lbs off!!!! grin

Am now down to 173 lbs which I am really pleased about. I was 196 lbs when I started this WOE in January.

Lots of butter and water and the weight really does come off!!

ChippingInWiredOnCoffee Mon 24-Jun-13 22:47:21

bullet fecking hell - so one cup of coffee has 2Tbs of butter and 1Tbs of oil? Am I reading that right???? You do mean per cup and you do mean tablespoons, not teaspoons?

Rup - tomorrow morning about 7?? LOL I think I need someone to hold my hand while I throw up try this.

Could I still add cream to it? I really don't do black coffee.

I'm not working much at the moment Rup so pretty much whenever it suits you - and if Crabby can make it too that would be FAB (open invite to anyone else from the thread too!!).

You got it! Don't add cream, it tastes like a strong rich latte, honest guv!
I would come to a meet up, I'm in Herts.

ChippingInWiredOnCoffee Mon 24-Jun-13 22:50:39

Rup you are doing so well!! I am very impressed smile What is your goal weight? No pointing & laughing at my still fat arse when we do meet up! grin

ChippingInWiredOnCoffee Mon 24-Jun-13 22:52:24

Bullet - Okayyyyy I'll try anything once. Do you have a favourite brand of unsalted butter?

Where are we going to have this meet up then?

Ruprekt Mon 24-Jun-13 22:56:27

Is Camberley a good place to meet up?

Lots of restaurants which might do low carb!!!!

Or Windsor??

Bleurgh at the thought of the coffee but need to do it and might add cream if I am whisking it all together.

You are supposed to use grass fed butter, so kerrygold, yeo valley that kind of thing. I use country life because I am poor though! I don't know if its grass fed or not blush

timidviper Mon 24-Jun-13 23:09:42

Ruprekt and Chipping I live miles and miles away from you but my DS lives in Camberley so we vist there quite often. Let me know if you find any low carb restaurants around there please!

ChippingInWiredOnCoffee Mon 24-Jun-13 23:16:28

What is the coffee supposed to do exactly??

I just liked the sound of feeling like I was on speed without any of the danger grin

I'll try it once you report back tomorrow morning.

Bullet - OK - will see what Waitrose the supermarket has tomorrow. Gulp.


Camberley would be great for me. Windsor I could do, if it makes the difference between someone else being able to come or not, but it's a long way out for me.

No idea which restaurant would be good for low carbing though - we'll have to have a look into it.

Timid when are you next coming? We could try to make a meet up for then? It would be lovely to meet you IRL smile

ChippingInWiredOnCoffee Mon 24-Jun-13 23:17:52

I wouldn't have thought finding low carb food would be hard as meat eaters? I thought it was the 'vegetarian' that was making it beyond bloody hard more difficult.

Can we go to Lucia in York?? That was goooooooooooooooooood smile

ToomuchIsBackOnBootcamp Mon 24-Jun-13 23:27:04

Evening all, well done all losers!!

Due to unexpected meeting stuff, my first day of planned übercamp ended up being unplanned eating on the run.

B 2 egg omelette made with butter, mushrooms and half a slice of cutted up bacon
L one slice of ham
S a few teaspoons of cheesey coleslaw
D leftover cold turkey steak with more coleslaw

Out for lunch tomorrow with good friend so hoping the cafe she has picked (new) has some decent choices!

Sending good luck (and a virtual hand to hold your hair back) for the Virgin Speeders on Caffeine tomorrow morning! I await your verdict with interest as I'm far too fearty to try it myself

Marking place. Not listing meals for a reason today. Tomorrow is another day. Again. Grrrr....

Quiches sound amazing Daisy, thank you. I might have to try!

Crabby I tried to leave a comment on your blog but it went a bit wrong, so I just wanted to say, that sounds like an amazing sauce with the salmon! Another recipe I shall have to venture into.

Well done all incredible shrinking women!

B scrambled egg, tomato
L sardines & salad
D salmon, broccoli, roast swede, salad
S greek yoghurt

The thing that keeps me on the wagon (I can't remember who was asking) is that by doing this WOE I've realised how incredibly addicted to carbs I was. I used to eat all the time, couldn't go between meals without snacking - and after all, it was just the carb addiction. I wonder whether some people just are (or become) much more unable to withstand the carb cravings than others. Anyway what stops me at the moment is not wanting to be in the grip of that "addicted" unstoppable urge to cram my face again.

ChippingInWiredOnCoffee Mon 24-Jun-13 23:46:29

MrsHP - consider yourself hauled back up on the wagon smile x

TooMuch - bugger about your plans being ruined, I hope lunch tomorrow is better for you! Thank you for offering to hold our hair back - I need all the support I can get. I might not be trying it for a day or two though as I need to get unsalted butter and coconut oil and even though the supermarket is very close I may put that off until Rup has tried it

CrabbyBigBottom Tue 25-Jun-13 00:19:57

Thanks Lily! smile

Chipping and Rup whereabouts are you then? Camberley's quite near here but the main problem for me is that DD doesn't go to school (she's home educated) and the dog has separation anxiety. The result is that I spend most of my time ferrying DD around to various activities with a highly neurotic cocker in tow. hmm grin

Ruby you should see the state of my bloody kitchen by the time I've finished cooking and photographing a dish - bombsite doesn't even begin to describe it! Trying to fit the photographing in with the cooking is really tricky and I end up generating much more mess and washing up than usual. Then after I've taken the shots of the meal, the artfully arranged food on the plate gets unceremoniously dumped into a big bowl for me to eat in front of the tv! grin

To the people dreading the bulletproof coffee... it really is lovely. I didn't have coconut oil in it (if it tastes coconutty that sounds a bit revolting), just butter. It was smooth and rich and buttery and delicious. It's the first time I've ever had coffee without sugar in and because of all the butter I didn't miss the sugar at all. I'd drink it every day if I had a coffee maker and body/brain that could tolerate coffee!

Felt a bit flat and shit this morning but had a lovely walk with DP (he's got two days off work) this afternoon which was really nice - lots of fallow deer and we saw a swarm of bees which was terrifying and fascinating in equal measure.

B/L mozzarella, tomato, parma ham
D - slow roasted lamb shanks with roasted celeriac mash and broccoli
P - berries and cream
Rather a lot of wine. blush

B/L - burrata (thanks for recommending that Willie!), tomato, ham
S - leftover curry
D - salmon with shallot and dill butter sauce, roasted broccoli
Couple glasses of white wine which we were forced to open for the sauce.

Where are you in Herts bullet? I'm in west herts

I'm in Watford Willie
I have found Carluccios and Cote Brasserie OK for LCing when out and about - no Caesar saladwoop! I get realllly sick of Caesar salad!

i'm just a bit further up the A41 from you bullet

couch25cakes Tue 25-Jun-13 09:05:22

bullet you're very near me grin.

Yesterdays food:
B - scrambled eggs
L -h/m hamburger and salad
D-savoury mince, mushrooms and cauli

Today I had a mushroom omelette for breakfast and am off to an all day meeting, but I have salad and camanbert in my bag so I can have a smelly lunch instead of the sandwiches.

I seem to be a bit stuck at the moment and am off to a hotel this weekend so i'm going hardcorer for a few days to try to shift a bit.
Have a good day everyone.

Morning all.

I tried a sort of bullet proof coffee yesterday. Nespresso coffee with a tablespoon of coconut oil blended. It tasted fine. But I felt queasy afterwards. Will try again with butter when I get some and see how it goes.

Food yesterday
B - two boiled eggs mashed with butter
L - salad with salmon, cherry toms, guacamole and mayo
D - BBQ - a sausage, piece of chicken, home made burger salad and coleslaw.
And wine. DH is going away again today and it was such a nice evening sitting in the sun watching him cook that I couldn't resist. And of course didn't stop at one. Sigh.

Had yoghurt, cream and strawberries that needed using up so had that this morning. Not exactly über camp.

Off to Tonacise and then coffee with a friend and then shopping. Need to get presents to take to the states for MIL's sister's family.

Chicken and salad planned for lunch.
Steak and fried leeks and mushrooms for dinner.

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CrabbyBigBottom Tue 25-Jun-13 09:24:43

<<sits on the naughty Monday wine-drinkers' bench with Buda>>


CrabbyBigBottom Tue 25-Jun-13 09:27:33

grin Koti that's an improvement then... I think... grin

Feeling brighter this morning than I have in a while. Off to collect DD from her dad's this morning. It's a nice day here and DP is off work again so we'll have another long walk somewhere lovely.

StuntNun Tue 25-Jun-13 09:31:29

Has anyone else noticed that their teeth are in better shape? Usually when I floss there's lots of plaque to remove but since starting the woe last Monday there's hardly any. Maybe I was eating a lot of sweet stuff before, breastfeeding makes me crave chocolate, but I suppose fruit and fruit juices not to mention the occasional can of coke we're doing their damage as well.

Negroni Tue 25-Jun-13 09:35:27

So half a pound down this week but putting it down as STS (at least I might lose some next week then!). I guess I am pretty happy with that after carb and winefest at party on Saturday night but would have loved to have seen some proper movement down, especially as I was pretty good all last week - it was just one evening of craziness!

I feel an air of sabotage about me today - I think it is the mainly being good and only seeing steady but not major losses - ridiculous I know to hope to just drop 5 lbs suddenly. To distract myself I think I am going to have to source ingredients for the bulletproof coffee and distract myself of thoughts of its superhuman properties.

At least it's sunny today!!!

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Negroni Tue 25-Jun-13 09:44:12

Thanks kotinka and not wanting to knaw on passing legs and eat with chips is definitely an improvement - I know that feeling!

Just realised that people put 1/2 and 1/4 pound increments on the spreadsheet so I have now accurately recorded my 1/2 pound loss. I have not STS! Clearly I need all the encouragement I can get!

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3.5lb on. <huff> but I haven't pooped for 2 days

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ChippingInWiredOnCoffee Tue 25-Jun-13 10:39:13

Crabby - Glad you are feeling a bit better today. I've been a bit Meh some days lately too - for me I think it's a lot to do with no sunshine & lack of sleep. I feel so much better when I wake up to sunshine. I've also had a couple of strange dreams, one was very scary (in a realistic way) and one was very sad - I always find when they are 'realistic' they bring me down for a bit and make me quite emotional (still not dealing too well with losing my Dad).

Where would it suit you to meet up? I love kids and used to have a neurotic cocker spaniel <boy do I miss that girl> so both are fine by me. Is there a park with a cafe near you? I am very near Camberley, but happy to travel smile

Your photos are fab. What camera do you have? I'm looking at buying a new Canon digital SLR. I seriously need to win the lottery!

I haven't been out to the shops yet - so coffee with cream here so far! I only have salted butter and people have said that's horrible - so I didn't try it! I'm having enough trouble plucking up the courage to try it when it's supposed to be good!! I still haven't worked out what the benefits of it are yet - other than Coffee on Speed - are there any if you haven't used Monk Grown Coffee Beans??

Willie, Bullet, Couch et al is Camberley way too far for you? I'd be happy to come up closer to you for lunch/dinner/coffee whatever if it is.

Couch Hotel sounds like a good plan for the weekend - are you going for a dirty weekend anything special?

Cider you are not filling me with confidence re the coffee grin

Are you all just using the 'shots' of coffee or making it more like an Americano?

LOL I don't know about Bullet Proof Coffee - you are all going to want to shoot me with a bullet if I don't STFU about it grin

Kotinka grin Yes, sometimes it does seem like every silver lining has a cloud!! Nice not to wake up hungry though!!

StuntNun I can't say I have noticed no but then I rarely floss but I expect you are right about it!

Negroni 'one night of crazies' - I don't even have to do that to fill the glygocen stores up and I put on, I don't even STS. I had about 2 bites of 'forbidden' food & a can of diet coke with vodka on Sunday and I'm UP a few lbs. Hoping they fuck off go away as quickly as they came. It is not a forgiving WOE for the odd 'wrong thing'... but it is successful when you do it 100% so I suppose we can't have it all ways! I have definitely had the 'air of sabotage' about me for the last week or so - but I haven't been toooooo bad, but today I have woken up not feeling like that at all, I want to be 100% on track. I don't know why - I'm just going to attribute it to the sunshine smile

Bullet just put 2lbs down to 'digestive disorders' and move on smile Do you feel OK? It's ok to 'go' less with the WOE because there isn't as much crap useless bulk inside you, as long as you aren't uncomfortable.

Novel over... OOps!

BIWI Tue 25-Jun-13 10:46:02

I think you're all totally barking with all this bulletproof coffee malarkey grin

StuntNun yes, that would make absolute sense - sugar/carbs and bacteria create plaque in the mouth, from what I remember of my most recent market research project on toothpaste!

NobodyPutsMyBabyInTheCorner Tue 25-Jun-13 10:48:34

Negroni I feel very wobbly today too.
So far I've had..
B- Greek yogurt and 2 creamy coffees.
S- a massive hunk of cheese and another coffee with whipped cream on blush.. I know

It's not even 11am.. I'm trying to get through my 1.5l bottle of water before 12.

NobodyPutsMyBabyInTheCorner Tue 25-Jun-13 10:49:23

p.s I'm very spotty from this diet too kotinka

ChippingInWiredOnCoffee Tue 25-Jun-13 10:50:57

Back again

Crabby - you are young, beautiful and THIN. Your photos are FAB - I am envy You need to change your name on here, it conjures up a very different image!!... and I have the answer to my camera question! smile

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i think your hormones can play up in the first few weeks of this WOE - i believe that oestrogen can be released as fat cells are broken down (please do correct me on this anyone who knows more about the physiology), and the metabolic processes have many hormones attached to them and you are giving them a bit of a shock. quite a few people seem to experience an initial disruption to their cycle. i would expect any spottiness to settle down

ChippingInWiredOnCoffee Tue 25-Jun-13 11:08:50

BIWI - have you tried it?

Kotinka thank you x It has been a while now, so I feel like I should be past 'this stage' but I'm not. I just miss him so so much. He was young when he died and it was completely unexpected. He always seemed the sort that would live forever and drive us all nuts! Oh how I wish. <sorry, I don't want to derail the thread!>

I don't know whether you can eat too much fat or not (within reason) on this WOE, but for me, I do seem to do better when I up the fat & protein, upping the fat isn't too hard but upping the protein as a non egg eating vegetarian is hard/boring and high volume. (I haven't tried any of the powders as I want to eat normal food rather than supplemements.)

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prettybird Tue 25-Jun-13 11:23:13

Got round to filling in the spreadsheet - STS this week, so still 10st 9lb - but at least I'm still in "3 digit" territory. Did briefly see 10st 8lb before being waylaid by some chocolate chip cookies blush

Went to a wedding ceilidh on Saturday. Was able to wear a Boden dress that I had bought myself two or three years ago and which had been too small for me but which I had forgotten to send back hmm - it's a size 14 and it is now too big for me - although it still looked good and was nice and comfy for dancing. smile I was even able to wear my favourite purple shoes (as worn in the photo in the previous thread) as the dress was purple and orange(ish) I think the original description was water melon and was able to do the Dashing White Sergeant and Gay Gordons in them. smile

sorry about your dad chipping. i agree with kotinka - so much of our behaviour and physiological reactions are tied up with our emotions that it is natural to talk about these things in the context of diet, and not derailing at all

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StuntNun Tue 25-Jun-13 11:56:53

Willie I'm no expert either but I think it is more likely that because oestrogen is produced in fat cells, when you lose weight rapidly then your oestrogen levels drop. That could cause skin problems, sleep disruption, depression and anxiety and affect menstrual cycle regularity. Then as weight loss slows and/or your body adjusts to increase oestrogen production these symptoms will abate.

ChippingInWiredOnCoffee Tue 25-Jun-13 12:02:54

Kotinka - sometimes I think maybe x is slowing me down, maybe y is slowing me down, maybe z is slowing me down... but I can't pin it down on one thing, unfortunately. As a non egg eating vegetarian, if I cut out cheese (which I have mostly at the moment) and almonds (which I have before but I am eating now) there leaves very little other than salad/veg - arghh I have to just think 'it's going in the right direction, even if it's not going there as quickly as I'd like'. This past two weeks I've STS/put a bit on - but I know why and I'm not worried about it (disappointed, but not worried it's not working etc).

It was a shock, a terrible shock. It still is really. I would love to be under a certain weight, by a certain date in August. I know it would have meant a lot to my Dad (not that he would have known what that weight was or anything) I just know he was worried about me (because of my weight as well as other things) before he died (my Mum told me after) and then a few things he'd said to me made sense... and I know that he would have been pleased/relieved that I had/am lost/losing weight. He was not at all judgemental and never really said anything about it to me - he was just quietly worried about me. I feel so bad that I made him worry so much. Oh fuck. I want my Dad. sad

NewStartNewStory Tue 25-Jun-13 12:08:58


What Willie said.

Blimey Pretty bird, well done.

Am managing to stay strong in the face of mucho temptations. Not as good as yesterday but:
Sleep - 8hrs
Breakfast: 2 eggs scrambled and cooked in a good dollop of butter and a coffee
Snack: 3 mini baby bells and 1 cups of coffee.
Mid morning/early lunch: 2 eggs scrambled cooked in a good dollop of butter

water is at about a ltr and half atm so working to rectify that. Need to increase veg intake.

I might not be doing this as a completely one hit change everything because i am crap but so far I have got to a point where i regularly 3 meals a day, sleep, and don't see food as evil. I am hoping I can fully add carbs gone to that list this week so if i can add increase fat and veg also then I shall have finally hit bootcamp consistantly rather then half arsed and self demotivated. Which will be a major achievement for someone who started this on the threat of being stuck in hospital to sort them out because they survived on 3 chocolate bars a day and a shit load of coffee.
Last thing I need to do is cut the coffee out. But that is the LAST thing I am doing. It is keeping me sane atm. Am even beginning to consider bullet proof coffee as a way of justifying keeping coffee on my ok list blush

ChippingInWiredOnCoffee Tue 25-Jun-13 12:09:22

Prettybird - that's FAB smile You might have to start selling all your barely worn clothes off!! Any photos of you in your dress? How is HandsomeBird doing?

Thanks Willie I'm now in a bit of a soggy mess <again>. I just want my Dad back, it's not fair <and I can hear him saying 'Who told you life was going to be fair love?'> I don't have rose tinted glasses though - he drove me to distraction and we argued a lot both always right and very stubborn but I always always felt loved.

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ChippingInWiredOnCoffee Tue 25-Jun-13 12:14:58

NewStartNewStory - hey you, well done!! Your 'today' list looks pretty bloody good so far! and 8 hrs sleep is fab. I think I do better when I sleep well and I sleep better when I do better... the thing is I am a bad sleeper anyway and utterly crap at putting the laptop down and going to bed at a reasonable hour!!

Why were they looking at putting you in hospital? (were you ill, overweight/underweight. Sorry if you have said, I have a brain like a sieve!!).

Why are you going to cut the coffee out?

NewStartNewStory Tue 25-Jun-13 12:15:52

<hug> for ChippingIn

prettybird Tue 25-Jun-13 12:19:39

I'm still trying to lose - another c.1 stone (I'll review as I get close to 10 stone). Want to get back to being a 10/12 - although at my advanced wink age, a 12 is probably more healthy - but a comfortable 12! grin My BMI is still "only" 24.8 and that's after realising that I was an inch taller than I had always thought I was confused - so just goes to show what a crude measure BMI is wink

As I get closer, it is getting more difficult and I'm getting derailed by chocolate chip cookies far too easily, but hopefully the quadruple batch I have to make today for the school prize giving will be the last for a while - but on the positive side, I am no longer feeling tempted by the rows of confectionery in the newsagent's smile

NewStartNewStory Tue 25-Jun-13 12:23:48

Because I was physically eating as little food as possible, not because I wanted to lose weight (because what I ate was a high in calories as possible) but because I was controlling it. Was the only thing I could control when everything else was bad. And having done that for 2 years the impact on my health was horrific - blacking out, constant migraines, sleeping less then 4hrs per night. Adding in the 30-40hrs exercise a week. It was heading towards complete self destruction. You don't have a sieve memory i don't think I mentioned it during this bootcamp

Am not supposed to be drinking coffee. It is not good for my concentration, it suppresses my appetite and stops me sleeping/affects the quality of my sleep. Plus caffine is associated with joint pain as is high levels of dairy and I want to get rid as many possible aggravating factors so I can get in control of a knee problem and reduce triggers that might affect the fibro.

ChippingInWiredOnCoffee Tue 25-Jun-13 12:24:04

Kotinka I wasn't disagreeing with what you were saying smile - I'm just saying that it's hard to know what the hell TO eat (given the lack of lean protein). I am going against what Briffa says (which I didn't want to do, as I agree with him) and I am eating quorn & tofu otherwise I'm a bit of a protein free zone (other than what you get in veg etc). It was suggested I stop being vegetarian (on another thread) but that's not something I can or will do - even though 'diet wise' it would clearly be the easiest option.

I'm in my 40's too - sadly!! I'm not sure where my 20's or 30's went....?? I am happy that he cared so much and that I always felt loved smile - you don't appreciate that until you don't have it anymore sad I gave him plenty of other things to worry about too - poor sod! I always knew I'd got pretty lucky on the parents front (and I still have my Mum, but it's not the same) but it wasn't until I joined MN and have read so much about other peoples parents that I realise how lucky... how very lucky I was (am).

snowballinashoebox Tue 25-Jun-13 12:35:04

chippingin flowers for you lovely. It's so hard and sometimes the grief hits you out of nowhere. I lost my dad in a accident so it was out of the blue and the shock and loss is indescribable. Be gentle on yourself, as parents we will all worry about our kids whatever age they are, just as your Dad did for you.

Bother forgot about the unsalted grass butter, will try and get some today, come on BIWI have you tried it?

ChippingInWiredOnCoffee Tue 25-Jun-13 12:40:26

Prettybird according to the nurse my 'goal weight' should be 53kg, 116lb/8 stone 4. I just think hmm really?? I think my saggy bits are going to make a complete mockery of that!! I was that when I was young and not wobbly!! You are shrinking in a lovely balanced way and look great now, so every 1lb down is just a lovely bonus isn't it! I can certainly see how easy it will be, to be derailed so close to my goal weight - so don't blame you in the slightest!!

NewStart thank you - all hugs gratefully received!! x

I am pretty sure I remember 'talking' to you on a thread other than the bootcamp ones about low carbing and encouraging you to come over here, but I can't put my finger on it and as I said, I'm a total sieve brain these days! (Low carbing hasn't helped with that at all - so much for that angle!! Bugger)

It does sound really destructive sad I was just as bad, but in a different way (I ate because I could, control again though, - with a very 'so the fuck what' attitude and my carb cravings were awful). I am doubly glad you did join us then smile How is 'everything else' now?

Why is coffee not good for concentration?

I can see why you giving up coffee would be a good thing for you - but I can also see why it's hard sad I stopped for about 2 months to see if the milk in the latte was stalling me, but along with giving up 'every-bloody-thing-else' I was getting increasingly fed up (as a social thing more than a physical thing), so I started again but having it with cream instead of as a latte and I'm happier for it, but I should give it up too!!

prettybird Tue 25-Jun-13 13:31:38

No photos this time. Really should go through my wardrobe and have a go at selling stuff on ebay. Never done it before - but it might be a nice way to fund some new clothes! smile

kotinka Tue 25-Jun-13 13:47:16

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Chipping (((((big hugs))))). Remember how proud he would be of you and how use those feelings in a positive way to channel your motivation and drive. You have done so amazingly well, and come so far, I know you want to get to your next goal, but you have to remember it isn't linear the weightloss and you just need to keep the faith. I know you want to prove certain people wrong, and you will, remember that this is for life and you have to live that and enjoy it at the same time - it is just hard getting all that balance right. (extra hug).

Also thanks for the pep talk yesterday, I was about to eat something I shouldn't and then thought I didn't want to come back on here and admit to my sins but rather come and tell you I put it in the bin and had a lovely salad and water instead! Honestly, it was your words 'you can do this' that rang in my head!!!!!

CrabbyBigBottom Tue 25-Jun-13 14:30:15

(((((Chipping))))) big hug from me too and sorry to hear about your Dad. sad My mum drives me nuts too but I absolutely can't imagine not having her around any more.

If we meet up, don't expect to recognise me from that photo...the lighting is veeeeery flattering and I've got an app on the ipad that made it look all 'vintage'. In real life I'm plumper, puffier and blotchier! wink

A little victory for me though; I am wearing size 12 trousers that I put away in defeat last autumn thinking 'oh fuckit I'll just accept that I'm a size 14 now and enjoy food'. It was the size 14s getting uncomfortably tight that finally spurred me into doing something, and here I am back into the 12s. They are old trousers with quite a lot of give in them, but I'm still smile!

Crabby you really must change your name this instant!!!!! CrabbySmallBottom would suit you much better ;)

Well you are a chatty lot today!

Chipping - hugs. I still have my Dad thankfully but although my mum is still alive she is in a nursing home as a result of dementia. It's a horrible part of getting older that we have to deal with losing our parents. Or their illnesses.

NewStart - keep on keeping on! You are getting there.

Crabby - I've made space on the naughty bench for you!

I'm feeling a bit demoralised ATM. I haven't gone down a size in clothes. No idea what I have actually lost but its not as much as I was hoping for. Worried that what I have lost will all go straight back on when I am on holiday.

Good news is that I went for coffee today with a friend and drank it without sugar/sweetener. Having the bulletproof one yesterday helped me realise that I used to drink coffee without sugar and its ok. I prefer tea though so may stick to that.

BIWI Tue 25-Jun-13 15:10:59

Well done, NewStart flowers I know how much an achievement all of that is. You have done brilliantly.

To all those of you who are trying to play the age card - I'm 53, nearly 54, and appear to be post-menopausal - so if I can do it, then so can you lot! grin

loopyloou Tue 25-Jun-13 15:16:13

Hugs for everyone missing loved ones. I know how lucky I am to still have both parents alive and well.

I've just made mini quiches, they're lovely! I was going to ask if they can be frozen, but don't think there'll be any left to freeze! They do stick to the fairy cake cases a bit, but I didn't grease them.

loopyloou Tue 25-Jun-13 15:16:45

Sory, should have added that I'm choccywoccy, I've name changed!

BIWI Tue 25-Jun-13 15:18:53


Can I ask you all to please go here and complete the survey for me/MNHQ?

We're investigating ways to make more of Bootcamp on MN and it would be fantastic to get all of your views. Please complete the survey and, if you wish, add any comments on the thread as well.

many thanks

Negroni Tue 25-Jun-13 15:19:03

Chipping flowers - so sorry about your dad.

Today my eating is all over the place. A slice of ham here, a teaspoon of peanut butter there, a few coffees, totally random small protein shake made out of whey powder - not something I have been having on this WOE at all. It's still all pretty low carb but think I need to do some planning for dinner before I accidentally grab a slice of bread or biscuit. It is all a bit mindless today.

Pretty - you are an inspiration! I want to have weight in 3 figures by end of bootcamp too! Healthy BMI is still over a stone away sadly.

Definitely not giving up coffee so really will have to investigate the bullet proof option to justify my caffeine addiction.

loopyloou Tue 25-Jun-13 15:27:56

NewStart, I used to drink about ten mugs of tea with milk and sugar a day. Now I only drink black decaff coffee without sugar. It tastes no different to me than caffeinated coffee, have you tried it? There are some rubbish ones but Kenco is very nice smile You'll have a couple of days withdrawal symptoms, i.e. tiredness, headaches, but that passes quickly and it's nice to not need coffee to wake you up anymore smile

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kotinka (and anyone else) - if you have in the past weighed in on the spreadsheet your details should still be there - scroll to the tabs furthest on the right and look through them for your name and all your weigh-in details should still be there

the spreadsheet has been going in various incarnations since the first April 2012 bootcamp

BIWI Tue 25-Jun-13 16:17:54

kotinka - it doesn't matter if you haven't been through the whole one - your views are still important. There's a question there anyway about how long you were on any of the Bootcamps!

prettybird Tue 25-Jun-13 16:28:24

BIWI - I too am (I think) post-menopausal, although I am a wee bit wink younger than you, at 52! grin

So no age excuses from ANYONE ! gringrin

although it does mean we no longer have the excuse of "Time of the Month" hmm

78bunion Tue 25-Jun-13 16:44:01

Vegetarian ideas - perhaps put a lot of butter on veg.
Also avocados
Eggs if not vegan?
I eat meat 3 times a day so it's not really an issue for me.

BIWI Tue 25-Jun-13 16:50:25

It's well over a year since I had a period, so I hope I'm post-menopausal! But yes, prettybird - no excuse any more grin

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I am bbq-ing butternut squash which is either going to be amazeballs or inedible...

BillComptonstrousers Tue 25-Jun-13 18:04:49

I use My Fitness Pal alongside the low carbing ( I know I don't have to count calories) I just discovered the daily pie chart on there, and on average I'm eating 60% fat 30% protein 10% carbs. The fats seem really high, should I try upping the protein more?

No! That sounds perfect... I think!!!

BIWI Tue 25-Jun-13 18:09:11

No, Bill, that sounds fine - as long as you're happy with your food, and you're losing the weight.

kotinka tea for me will be marinated salmon with stir-fried vegetables. DH will have noodles or rice with his.

I am having leftover roasted pork belly and crackling with buttered steamed asparagus and kale

ToomuchIsBackOnBootcamp Tue 25-Jun-13 18:47:49

Evening all, biwi hope you get lots of responses.

B 2 slices bacon, mushrooms, a few small tomatoes all fried in butter
L smoked salmon and scrambled eggs with a tiny side salad (out)
D mince sauce on little gem leaves

Lunch was out today with a friend in a lovely new cafe, lots of amazing teas, pastries, muffins, cakes etc etc ... But I resisted and I ordered the salmon and scrambled eggs, which was a lovely generous portion ... Served on a croissant !! It didn't say that on the menu. But I left the whole soggy scraped croissant on my plate <polishes halo> next time I will know to ask for no croissant (and hopefully get even more SS/eggs in place!)

Yesterday I didn't believe my scales giving me a loss of 2 lbs after STS for so long, tried again today, they gave me another pound off! I like them. So 3lbs off, looks like cutting down heavily on dairy is the key for me to kick start loss again. Now 5 lbs away from my "magic number".

Amazeballs to the bbq butternut squash!

chipping I reckon a good one for the veggies - bbq'd butternut squash and halloumi kebabs would be delish!!!

L - lettuce, cucumber, cherry tomatoes, avocado and grilled goats cheese
D - pork medallions with a cream cheese and cheddar topping, low carb chipolata, bbq butternut squash, lettuce, cucumber
S - two slices of emmenthal rolled up with salted butter and a mini-pepparmi!

BIWI Tue 25-Jun-13 18:49:57

Brilliant, Toomuch - just shows how much of an impact dairy can have on us

NewStartNewStory Tue 25-Jun-13 18:51:02

I made spag bol for the others, I ate the sauce over cauliflower and broccoli with some melted cheese.

I also had a large snack at 3:30pm of a salad. Only thing is that i might be a little low on fat for today but did get my veg in the end. Also managed to stop myself from taste testing the pasta for readiness. Although I did have to take the piece of pasta out of my mouth and put it in the bin and I very nearly forgot blush

Did ok with the water but too much coffee.

Chipping I find that i am super sensitive to the stimulant effect of coffee and that it kinda has the same affect as bright colouring on kids. Tends to send me a little unfocus with the resultant energy buzz. Good as it lets me do stuff when I am really low energy wise (although it is bad as it is only borrowed energy that needs to be paid paid)

Loopy Right now i need my caffine fix to get through the day. It is like my emotional crutch. I know i need to get rid of it in the long run BUT right now i am not strong enough with everything else that is going on to ditch the coffee and the carbs. I want to get the carbs bit sorted first and then when i am more balanced in that i will then tackle the caffine. Because clearly life has no intentions of throwing less complicated or draining circumstances at me for a while, although thankfully it is better then it has been in a long run.

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BIWI Tue 25-Jun-13 19:37:54

Good point, kotinka.

But also definitely worth reminding everyone of the need to keep a higher proportion of fat in our diets than we naturally feel comfortable with given advice over the last 30 years or so.

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BillComptonstrousers Tue 25-Jun-13 20:09:57

I'm happy with the food I'm eating, and it's all good oils, avocados, cheese etc. it just looked scarily high! I've lost 5lb this week, which is pretty good considering I've only got 12 to lose grin

BIWI Tue 25-Jun-13 20:14:57

Well I think that's your answer, Bill! grin

Kotinka's link (I hope!):

this better explains why I'm watching fat intake based on my circumstances

prettybird Tue 25-Jun-13 20:16:45

I can remember a few years ago reading about somebody having an epiphany about low fat foods: walking down the aisles and aisles of "low fat" and "diet" foods in America in amongst all the obese Americans and realising the two were connected.

I didn't know then about Boot Camp - but it did make me think twice about the diet versions of anything and would choose the "real" alternative if I could.

StuntNun Tue 25-Jun-13 20:30:49

My appetite has definitely decreased today, I only had a small breakfast then didn't get lunch till after 1. Before I would have required a second breakfast or lunch at 11.

B: strawberries and Greek yoghurt
L: small salad with a little bit of ham and lots of olive oil
S: one leftover sausage
D: cod cooked in butter and double cream

black was it you that posted about the SmashTheFat man and his experiment? He ate 5000 calories a day, but very low carb for 21 days. Over that time he lost 3 cm from his stomach and only put on 1.3 kg. The 'calorie formula' suggests he should put on just under 6 kg. Link here

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He does, but he has worked out all complicated equations about how many calories he needs based on that and still it puts him in excess by quite a lot of what he 'needs' according to calorie formula lovers! I think the exercise was all done regularly before though, so the only thing that he did change was to massively increase his calorie content for those three weeks. Tbh I have no idea really if his calculations are correct mind you!!!

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Not sure, but it only contributes 10% of his overall intake so maybe it is all about the proportions? Would be interesting to see someone who does less exercise do something similar with say under 30g of carbs... I am not volunteering mind you!!!

jenifairy84 Tue 25-Jun-13 21:12:31

hello, how do i join the boot camp? and also where are the rules for me to read please?
thank you x

welcome jenifairy84 and everyone is welcome here! The rules, plus loads of other useful information is all on the spreadsheet that is linked to in the OP, click along the tabs at the bottom to get betwen the sheets.

Any questions - ask away!

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MamaBear17 Tue 25-Jun-13 21:32:30

For those of you watching fat intake as well as carbs - how much fat do you consume? Im trying to get a handle on how this all works and have no idea how much fat I should be aiming for?

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BIWI Tue 25-Jun-13 22:05:44

MamaBear - you should be eating food in the following proportions - fat:protein:carbohydrate

Around 60% fat is good to aim for I believe. (I'll check that out)

Welcome jenifairy!

I'm sorry about your Dad Chipping. Your posts are making me a bit weepy!

NewStart I think you are doing brilliantly. It feels like you need to give yourself a bit of a break too, be more forgiving to yourself, look after yourself... but I bet that's the hardest thing.

I had a long-planned slight cheat today at a work lunch event. Though it wasn't too drastic - eating things like nut roast and stuffed vine leaves - but I didn't eat potatoes, bread, or chocolate brownies! Still undoubtedly it was carbier than would be ideal. Had a Greek salad at the train station on the way home and since then have snacked on greek yoghurt&cream, probably a bad idea if there are carbs in my system!

BIWI Tue 25-Jun-13 22:14:04

Yep - a quick Google would suggest that anything up to 75% fat is good.

Chipping just a thought about you being a non-egg-eating vegetarian - presumably there is protein in yoghurt? (and milk/cream).

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milliemoomay Tue 25-Jun-13 23:23:46

Hi all, I'm just coming up from air after a 3 day weekend of 3 birthday parties.. one of which was a big one! I feel a bit like Goldilocks. Tried to stay good for the 1st party but by the time it got to no. 3, my resolve weakened and scoffed all the cake porridge.

I'm home now and will weigh myself tomorrow. Fingers crossed it isn't too meh!

Haven't caught up with the thread yet - will do by tomorrow. Well done to all of us for getting as far as this.

milliemoomay Tue 25-Jun-13 23:24:02

*for air!!

KatyaStarkey Tue 25-Jun-13 23:50:26

I only just started doing low-carb again last week, but can I still get on this list? I'd love to participate!


timidviper Wed 26-Jun-13 00:02:36

I had a hectic weekend with life tempting me into the wrong foods but have been good today so hope I am en route to getting rid of anything I had gained.

B: 2 boiled eggs mashed with butter and 2 chipolatas
L: I think I forgot! shock
T: Salmon topped with M&S Langoustine tails in lemon mayonnaise, salad and homemade coleslaw.
Snack: 5 brazil nuts, 3 sugarfree sweets blush

loopyloou Wed 26-Jun-13 00:10:14

Well I've logged today's meals on MyFitnessPal for the first time. I had 20g carbs, 138g fat, 91g protein. How does that sound?

I had

B/ 4 rashers bacon, 1 fried egg, tsp home made mayo
L/ mini quiches(5), cucumber, cherry tomato, yellow pepper with oil dressing, small slice cheddar
D/ 2.5 x 97% meat sausages with buttered leeks and mushrooms fried in butter, tsp home made mayo
4 decaff coffees, 5 glasses water

maidofmuss Wed 26-Jun-13 08:39:03

Hello all
Lordy, this thread has moved fast again. Been trying to read through it all and want to respond to so many of you then forget who said what by the time I've scrolled through the pages!
Chipping - sending you flowers and hugs. I've lost my dad, too, and know how it feels. Someone once said to me, you never quite get over losing a parent when you've been close, you just learn to live with it and I think that's true. Be kind to yourself and give yourself time to grieve. Everyone seems to be expected to move on so fast in our crazy world and it's not always helpful.

Well, I've been (to use a phrase from an earlier thread) a sugary twat, despite my vow to get back on the wagon on Monday. I was fine most of each day then gave in to a big spoonful of nutella last night so I've got to defeat those damn carb cravings all over again.
Black - know you were struggling a while back and I glibly posted on some advice, which was probably rubbish. Did you manage to do it (haven't seen a post for a while)? And how?

Anyway, a new day. Working at home so a going to do GM Shred to kick start my day.
Over 50 like BIWI and Pretty (waves) so harder maybe to shift weight BUT NOT IMPOSSIBLE (!?)
Meal plan:
B scrambled eggs and mushrooms
L tuna mayo lettuce wraps
D lamb chops (with fat), celeriac mash with butter and buttered brocolli
S if needed - will try those celeriac crisps

BerylStreep Wed 26-Jun-13 08:46:46


I am about to try my first ever bullet proof coffee.

<steels self>

Will report back once I have had it.

NobodyPutsMyBabyInTheCorner Wed 26-Jun-13 08:56:42

Pretty- well done you look fab, my aim is to get into three figures too. I have seven weeks to get to this goes and have 6lbs to go!

Chipping- I'm so sorry about your Dad flowers

Beryl- let me know what happens, I still haven't got the balls to do that yet...

BIWI- I did your survey and love your bootcamps, I've always lurked but really got into this one- albeit from week 7 smile I can really see this being my normal WOE and have convinced a few friends to try LCing.

Can anyone help me with a little question please?
Dairy, so far, hasn't slowed down any weight loss, but I wondering how much cream, cheese, butter and yogurt should I be having per day.

BerylStreep Wed 26-Jun-13 09:02:07


Surprisingly good. Sitting enjoying it as I type.

I wasn't sure about quantities, so I did 2/3 of a cup of coffee (from my Nespresso machine), 2 large heaped teaspoons of coconut oil, and about double again of unsalted butter.

I can't really advise on the diary front - I eat faaar too much of it.

maidofmuss Wed 26-Jun-13 09:19:03

Just done shred, yea!
Still not sure about bulletproof coffee - will jot down your quantities though Beryl in case ever brave enough!
I'm not sure about dairy, either, nobody Think I definitely slow down if I start eating too much cheese and cream... suspect it's trial and error, depending on how active we all are/how much we have to lose...

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BlackAffronted Wed 26-Jun-13 09:34:43

Maid, I just had to steel myself to get past the first 3 days when cravings were high ... I failed on day 2 or 3 so amy times until I finally got past it smile Meal planning essential, and making sure there are plenty of snacks for the first week back on it, as I had my old hunger back.

prettybird Wed 26-Jun-13 09:49:48

I've just run out of coconut oil so must remember to get some more.

I really should try a bullet proof coffee. I have a fear of dementia/brain related problems and I've read that coconut oil is good for the brain (my mum died last year from a dementia triggered by a brain injury which can happen in some people sad).

Mum would have loved the success I've had with this diet and would have loved to try it herself, although might have struggled to get Dad (cynical doctor, very much in the "calories in, calories out/eat less, exercise more" mold) to buy in to it. smile. I can remember her complaining about the difficulty of losing weight as she went through the menopause. She even contemplated giving up alcohol! shockgrin

Like Chipping, I really miss not having her around (she might only have died last year, but we "lost" her 4-7 years ago - got her back nearly for a wee while before the brain's "healing" process turned into destroying sad) even though my Dad is still hale and hearty as mum should have been if she'd not had the cycling accident He had better fulfill his genetic heritage and last at least another 10 years if not more grin

CrabbyBigBottom Wed 26-Jun-13 10:32:27

Yesterday's food:
B- raspberries and clotted cream
L- burrata, tomatoes, parma ham
D- courgette 'pappardelle' with salmon, prawns, shallot and spinach, in a buttery cream sauce
P - strawberries and clotted cream

1lb on this morning. I think I've been eating too many berries and clotted cream. sad

NewStartNewStory Wed 26-Jun-13 10:40:53

I had a sneaky stand on the scales as I know tom is due to appear this weekend. In two days of being strict I have shifted the 1kg i put back on. Bye bye glycogen stores, bye bye retained water. Now to get that weight to be a loss rather then a return to a previous weight...

Breakfast: 3 cups of coffee blush struggling to get going this morning, 1 mini baby bel, and 2 eggs scramble in a good dollop of butter.

Got 11hrs sleep last night. sleep deprivation is starting to catch up with me. Hopefully a few more early nights and i will feel better when i wake up in the mornings doesn't hold breath

NewStartNewStory Wed 26-Jun-13 10:43:06

Aw crabby sad

BIWI Wed 26-Jun-13 10:43:42

Crabby - there is a lot of dairy going on there ...

maidofmuss Wed 26-Jun-13 11:01:47

Thanks black – will def get some non-carby snacks sorted then and steel myself!
I miss the way I felt before I slipped back into carb-mode hmm

maidofmuss Wed 26-Jun-13 11:07:02

I've read about the coconut oil/dementia prevention link, too pretty (My mum has been in a dementia unit now for about 5 years sad) Have got myself a huge jar but haven't yet started to use it. Thinking it would be good in a stir fry – did try a teaspoonful from the jar but was a bit sickly

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NewStartNewStory Wed 26-Jun-13 11:24:15

I wish i could persuade dm to have some, she is starting to show signs she is going to go down the same route as a number of family members into dementia. Hoping it is stress but her family's history is strong. sad

I might just try this myself, could it help reduce the effect of fibro fog?

captainmummy Wed 26-Jun-13 11:57:09

Kotinka - I'd probably curry that lot. CHop aubs and mushrooms and fry in butter until sealed. Chuck in a jar of curry or some paste.

I dontmake bulletproof coffee like that , i find it slicks my moiuth too much. I use ordinary coffee, some cream,and a spoon of coconut oil. I don't even wizz it up; I have black tea with coconut oil in every morning for breakfsat and like the oil on the top!

kiwigirl42 Wed 26-Jun-13 12:03:55

morning guys, sorry for absence - been in bed since Friday with usual crap migraines. Mainly been living on greek yogurt/ double cream unfortunately.

Managed to surface long enough to make a lovely pork curry on Monday - chunks of pork shoulder chops, curry paste (Massaman is my fav.), coconut milk/ cream, aubergine and spinach. It was yum. The aubergine almost dissolved and it was delicious. Really finding frozen chopped spinach useful.

maidofmuss Wed 26-Jun-13 12:34:20

Sorry about the migraine Kiwi - sounds awful.
I'd second the curry Kotinka If you don't have any curry/paste but you'd got a few spices, then suggest you add a teaspoon of paprika and one of garam masala and bung in an onion if you've got one and possible a couple of tablespoons of tomato puree Could also make a raita if you're eating yoghurt (mix with half a cucumber with maybe 1/2 teaspoon ground cumin)

maidofmuss Wed 26-Jun-13 12:45:21

... or you could do stuffed aubergines. Halve aubergines lengthways but leave on stalks to hold together. Scrape out pulpy bits (leaving around 1cm at cut end). Brush with olive oil and bake for 15 mins or so to soften. Meanwhile, mix and fry chopped mushrooms, a finely-chopped shallot, chopped garlic clove and herbs if you've got them. Season and heap mixture onto aubergine haves and give them another 15-20 mins. Good sprinkled with crumbled feta and toasted pine nuts if you're doing BL (but only add to top in last 5-10 mins) Oven around 190 C.

milliemoomay Wed 26-Jun-13 13:17:20

Oh well.. sts but considering that I partied over the weekend, that's not too bad! I really wanted to knock off a couple more lbs before Sunday - it's my birthday and I had a target in mind.

I was going to go to my vinyasa flow yoga class today, but I can barely stand. It's a crap reason so don't feel sorry for me - I hurt my feet from wearing high heels all weekend and trying to dance in them for hours (more like a shuffle!). They actually started to bleed blush

I dunno how Victoria Beckham et al. do it. They must have minions to massage their feet daily.

No dairy for the rest of this week and lots more water. That should help.

I'm going to try kiwi's pork curry recipe - sounds divine. Hope your migraine has subsided, kiwi?

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captainmummy Wed 26-Jun-13 16:11:03

Well happy birthday for sunday, millie. Sounds like you'll be in slippers, though! Ouch!

BIWI Wed 26-Jun-13 16:53:28

shock millie! <looks at nice, comfy, flat slippers>

BIWI Wed 26-Jun-13 16:53:50


Thank you flowers

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NewStartNewStory Wed 26-Jun-13 17:08:53

Sorry to hear you are still being plagued by migraines Kiwi

I am feeling rather content having just stirred a large dollop of philadelphia into 2 tbsps of left over bolognase sauce which was then dumped over cauliflower and a bit of cheese grated over the top (mostly to make it look like food)

Lunch was a salad. Just need to drink another half ltr or so of water before early bed and I have successfully have survived another day of full proper bootcamp. Even having gone to the extent of pouring a cup of coffee down the sink that someone kindly made for me but put sugar rather then a sweetner in.

Sooo this coconut oil thing? where have you been getting yours and what do i need to look out for?

BerylStreep Wed 26-Jun-13 17:11:15

The coffee didn't stick to my mouth at all - it was lovely, like a very smooth latte.

Have done the survey. The only comment I would have is that the question which asks if you would be prepared to pay for things doesn't have an option of N/a if you wouldn't be interested in it in the first place, IYSWIM. So I answered that I would;t pay for things that actually, if someone wanted to go to them,probably would be happy to pay for.

BIWI Wed 26-Jun-13 17:17:11

Thanks Beryl - that's an interesting comment. And shows up my poor questionnaire drafting skills blush again

Ruprekt Wed 26-Jun-13 18:10:16

Done the survey! smilesmile

And Bullet proof coffee is lush!

couch25cakes Wed 26-Jun-13 18:21:24

Hello all, had a bit of a slip yesterday as was stricken down with terrible cramping stomach when we got in from school/work. All I wanted was toast, and I caved in. It did help my tum though.
Yesterday's food:
B-mushroom omelette
L- camenbert salad
D- chicken in a cream, mushroom and bacon sauce (and toast blush)

Today's food
B- 2 slices bacon, chunk of cheddar
L- skin in chicken salad, mayo
D- pork chop curry and cauli rice

newstart you're doing brilliantly! I actually like the idea of your philadelphia-bolognese-cauliflower mix...

Already done survey

ChippingInWiredOnCoffee Wed 26-Jun-13 18:37:59

Thank you all so much for your hugs, flowers & kind thoughts re my Dad. It means a lot x I'm sorry so many of you understand how I feel though sad

MaidofMuss I have a seat next to me on the Wagon - shall I super glue your butt to it? grin

Beryl 2/3 of a cup of coffee, 2 Tbs of coconut oil and 4 of butter? Feck me... really?? It must have slid down!!

Rup how did you make your coffee??

maidofmuss Wed 26-Jun-13 18:46:12

grin chipping at supergluing my butt to wagon! So far so good today – got some olives in in case I'm desperate for a snack later. tired though with carb flu. Def got to ride it out though!
BIWI - will do survey but was going to wait until next week in the hope of registering a better weight as am a llb up this week (!)
Do you need responses by a certain time?
new start – sounds like you've done great today. Rather like the sound of yr dinner.

ToomuchIsBackOnBootcamp Wed 26-Jun-13 18:49:00

Evening all, just checking in.

B 2 boiled eggs mashed with butter and black pepper
L leftover mince sauce on little gem leaves
S 2 teaspoons of coleslaw
D salad with oil, cucumber and a few small tomatoes. Asparagus tips with a little hollandaise sauce. Prawns pan fried in butter and oil then a little blob of mayo added.

Bit of a hotspotch for tea, using up bits and pieces, but it was very nice! Is it bad i licked the plate? shock cos the oil, mayo and hollandaise had melted together into a little pool of yummy fatty lusciousness? blush

Thank goodness shopping order coming tomorrow.

NewStartNewStory Wed 26-Jun-13 19:14:36

I was rather lovely but tbh you have to get over the look of it. It wouldn't win any prizes for how appetising it looks hmmgrin

Just had film night with ds. he chomped away on some carb based watching film kinda foods and I ate two mini baby bells. All i want now is my bed early start tomo. Shame ds has another hour or so before lights out. Am currently trying to persuade him to go read in bed hmm

ChippingInWiredOnCoffee Wed 26-Jun-13 19:20:26

NewStart - I have quite a few meals that look like that grin Taste bloody lovely though!!

How old is your DS? Film night on a Wednesday - that sounds good!

NewStartNewStory Wed 26-Jun-13 19:29:00

Ds is 8 going on 15 wink He isn't bad just a little highly strung as he likes to believe the version of bedtime his friends give him. Which as a parent I know is incorrect as the same child's mother said he couldn't do an activity which he wanted as it didn't start until after the child's bedtime. Film night was curling up on the bed watching Despicable me. I need me some minions!

BIWI Wed 26-Jun-13 19:30:07

maidofmuss - no, no specific time (although I don't know how long MNHQ are going to leave it up for). Just grateful for you doing it at all!

maidofmuss Wed 26-Jun-13 19:30:40

Not one for crabby's food photo blog then NewStart grin
My heap of celeriac, lamp chop and broccoli looked a bit of a sight, too – – but also lovely grin
Ignoring thoughts of carbs. Am going to drink lots of herbal tea tonight to distract myself and have an earlyish night

maidofmuss Wed 26-Jun-13 19:34:23

Glad to do survey BIWI – this WOE and thread has been amazing flowers and tho I've had a little blip, am going to carry on and hope I can lose at least a stone by the end (so 2-3 lb to go)..

ChippingInWiredOnCoffee Wed 26-Jun-13 19:34:41

Tell DS he is very lucky to live at your house, if he lived at Aunty Chippy's he'd be in bed by 7.15, lights out at 7.45 (some chance of peace by 8!). I love kids - I also love them in their beds in the evenings! grin Minions would, indeed, be very handy. I'd have one permanently assigned to kitchen duty!!

MoM - I have the superglue ready...

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NewStartNewStory Wed 26-Jun-13 19:42:32

I was thinking laundry. I hate laundry. it is another endless task. Ds is quiet and reading, although i forgot to give him his sleep med so the sleep bit might be a bit hit and miss. Not so bad on sunny days when you have had to soak the mud off him when he gets in from school and thus obvious burnt off a lot of energy playing football on the field during breaks grin

maid i am sure that there a lot of meals we are enjoying that crabby would struggle to make as lovely as the ones she puts in her blog. grin

StuntNun Wed 26-Jun-13 19:44:37

B: sausage, bacon, mushrooms fried in butter
L: field mushrooms brushed with butter and grilled then topped with pesto and a soupcon of Parmesan grated over
S: Greek yoghurt
D: courgette bolognese which was a bit weird in a nice but unexpected way

It's amazing how quickly the hunger pangs have died out. I must have been rushing from carb fix to caffeine fix to sugar fix all day long. I was in the shop yesterday looking at chocolate bars with mild disinterest although the fudge nearly lured me in. I had an epiphany today: I love crisps, they've been my go to snack for 30 years, I have been known to eat up to three packs a day. And yet I've been on this woe for 10 days now and I haven't missed them at all. It makes me wonder if I ever actually liked them or if I was just addicted to them.

An unofficial weigh in today puts me at half a stone off so far. A quarter of the way to my final goal. I'm sure it will be a long haul but I'm glad to have a rapid weight loss at the start, I'm confident I'll be able to comfortably wear my size 14 clothes when I go on holiday in twelve days.

ToomuchIsBackOnBootcamp Wed 26-Jun-13 19:45:03

newstart going to see Despicable 2 is at the very top of the "summer holiday ideas of stuff to do" list!!! Can't wait! Ds is being dragged along as my excuse grin

God I'd love some minions. Wouldn't that be fab? I have a list all ready...

ToomuchIsBackOnBootcamp Wed 26-Jun-13 19:48:12

Yay stuntnun that's brilliant, well done!!

I thought before I started this woe that I could never give up pasta, loved it, ate loads of it. Don't miss it at all. I think what I liked really were the lovely sauces, creamy, garlicky, cheesey, all those flavours. I can still have those!! Don't need bland sticky cotton wool stuff underneath!

NewStartNewStory Wed 26-Jun-13 19:58:27

toomuch grin at ds excuse to go. there are late viewings in some areas for kid free enjoyment. But i am sure ds will enjoy it too. wink

Hello all.

Food going well. Not drinking enough water though. Need to rectify that. I had some wine last night and about to have some more! There was a bottle open from Monday so I'm finishing it gradually. About a glass and a half left in for tonight and that's that.

Lunch yesterday was chicken and salad
Dinner was steak with leeks and mushrooms fried in butter and then I added creme fraiche and Dijon mustard. A bit too much but it was tasty.

B today was egg mayo and a cold sausage
Lunch was a hotchpotch of coleslaw, cheese deli filler and ham
Snack - ham
Dinner - steak with courgette ribbons mixed with two tablespoons of a tomato sauce and a table spoon of creme fraiche and chimmichurri sauce. 'twas yum.

Was in town today getting bits an pieces and bought some Hotel Chocalat stuff for teachers pressies for tomorrow. Came home and realised I didn't have the Hotel Chocolat bag! Phoned the last two shops I had been in and the second shop had it! So had to go back into town to collect. I treated myself to some 100% chocolate. Haven't tried it yet though!

BerylStreep Wed 26-Jun-13 20:14:12

Chipping TEASPOONS not tablespoons grin

BIWI sorry, didn't mean it as a criticism, just that when you come to do your analysis of the survey results, you might want to look at the 2 questions in tandem. Alternatively you could get MNHQ to add a n/a option on that question for all those who haven't done it yet. (They are all great ideas btw, just for me, being in NI, things like MN academy are too far away).

Have just come back from a cycle - I got my road bike set up by a bike podiatrist, and this is the first I have been out on it since, what with work, Mum in hospital, kids etc. it make such a difference having it set up properly and I love the feeling of hammering along at speed.

BerylStreep Wed 26-Jun-13 20:27:30

Can anyone remember who posted the recipe for celeriac fondant?

We have people coming to stay in a few weeks. We stayed with them a couple of years ago, and they were the most amazing hosts. She had managed some of the top restaurants in London, and effortlessly threw things together that were absolutely divine. I would like to return the hospitality and I am trying to gather some ideas for yummy menus. I thought that celeriac fondant with steak and a mushroom sauce might be quite nice to serve to guests.

ChippingInWiredOnCoffee Wed 26-Jun-13 20:27:40

NewStart - No - I don't mind laundry, but I hate cooking & cleaning up after.

Beryl - phew. You got your bike set up by a podiatrist?? Interesting. I had mine set up by the specialist at the bike shop, it killed me, I had to put it back to how I like it even if it's technically all wrong. I haven't been out on it for ages - I used to live in the saddle when I lived in Spain. It's not the same in the UK.

StuntNun - how did you make your courgette bolognaise? Good luck with the holiday goal!

Cider - 100% chocolate?? What's the carb count on that??

BIWI Wed 26-Jun-13 20:28:53

Oh goodness, Beryl, I didn't take it as a criticism! But it did point out a mistake that I'd made, which is fine!!! (I'm not a survey kind of researcher, so it's all a bit alien to me)

BerylStreep Wed 26-Jun-13 20:32:10

Bike podiatrist was very good. He raised the saddle by about 5 inches, raised and adjusted the handle bars, and added a shim to one of my cycle shoes to even up my wonky legs.

loopyloou Wed 26-Jun-13 20:56:30

I have never cooked celeriac - haven't found it locally yet. How do you cook it? Also courgette ribbons, how do you do them?

B: bacon and fried egg, home made mayo
L: tuna mayo with salad and cheddar
D: chicken curry
S: yoghurt with blueberries

pretty sorry about your mum, you can feel the love in every word you typed earlier (hugs)

Managed to stay on track and play netball, suddenly remember black and catinboots' cheese crisps and made some to get rid of the crispy cravings!

BIWI Wed 26-Jun-13 21:46:25

loopylou - you need to peel it, then how you cook it depends on the recipe. There are several recipes on the recipe thread.

SamanthaJones Wed 26-Jun-13 22:00:25

Hello everyone. Crabby thank you for the bulletproof coffee link, I've book marked it. It sounds vile but I might give it a go anyway!

I've stuck to low carbs and have had no wine since Sunday. Plus I've walked quite a few miles this week. I FEEL fat though, gah! Scared to weigh in case I've put on weight...

So I'll wait until Friday week when I'll have had 12 days of no wine (previously just drinking at the we)

Today I've had an India and Neris muffin
Spinach salad with chilli oil and tuna mayo
Some marmite cheese, small piece of smoked cheddar
Chorizo slices (no sugar, it's chorizo picante)
Some pistachios
Belly pork with broccoli and green beans

Chipping - 10g per half bar! Yikes. Apparently best eaten as two small pieces - the first prepares the mouth, the second reveals the flavours. Not sure why I even bought it as I'm not a big chocolate eater really.

BIWI - I did the survey.

A week left till we go on holiday. Haven't lost the weight I wanted to. Bah. Oh well. At least my holiday stuff from last year still fits.

Ruprekt Wed 26-Jun-13 22:26:59

Chip.....make a proper coffee and pour into jug, add a tbsp coconut oil, a ttbsp unsalted butter and dbl cream. Whisk up til frothy with a blender.

As the oil and butter melt it goes to a lovely consistency. smile

Loopy....peel courgette into long strips and fry in butter. Use as pasta....tis fab.

Peel celeriac and use as you would potato. Mash, chips, fondant, chips, roasted.

loopyloou Wed 26-Jun-13 22:39:35

Thanks. Sorry, I'm being really dim, but how do you manage to peel long strips like pasta? Are they only as long as the courgette is? Or do you try to peel round, like you would an apple? Do you take the skin off first? How long do you cook them for and do you boil them in water like pasta?

Sorry for all the questions! blush

loopyloou Wed 26-Jun-13 22:40:10

Ah just seen you said to fry the strips.

StuntNun Wed 26-Jun-13 22:53:03

Chipping the courgette was just normal bolognese sauce with courgettes instead of pasta.

I have some of the 100% cocoa chocolate too Cider, it's so bitter you only eat a sixteenth of a bar at a time. Tbh it's a bit too hardcore for me, I'll probably go for 90-95% next time but the two 70g bars I have will last me for ages as they're only for chocolate emergencies.

loopyloou I think all your questions will be answered here


on Crabby's blog

CrabbyBigBottom Wed 26-Jun-13 23:45:58

Did someone say my name?! grin

Evening all. Still feeling a bit shite here so not much to say really.

BIWI I've done the survey, and you're right about me eating too much dairy, of course. I've had a dairy free day today, which hasn't improved my already foul mood! Developed a cracking headache this afternoon, not sure why. Drank loads and loads of water but couldn't shift it. Tried having some butter and marmite too, for the salt.

B/L - hard boiled duck egg with half an avocado, salad leaves and h/m mayonnaise
D - leftover lamb shank with celeriac mash, cabbage and broccoli
2 cups tea. Loads water.

loopyloou Wed 26-Jun-13 23:57:16

Thanks lily, the blog indeed tells me everything I need to know. smile

kotinka Thu 27-Jun-13 00:05:21

Message withdrawn at poster's request.

kiwigirl42 Thu 27-Jun-13 08:33:36

da da da ta da! I'm finally moving those scales again after sts for 2 wks. Luckily I just kept munching and had faith they would come down this time. I have now lost 16 pounds since starting bootcamp 8 weeks ago (I'm a week behind). Really, really pleased.

I went a bit mad on the Ocado shop and the fridge is stuffed with meat and vegetables grin. My junk food eating DH almost fainted when he opened it at the green glow emminating from within.


BIWI Thu 27-Jun-13 08:36:22

Yay! Brilliant, kiwigirl flowers

CrabbyBigBottom Thu 27-Jun-13 08:44:30

Brilliant *Kiwi

kiwigirl42 Thu 27-Jun-13 08:46:33

bows why thank you blush

I've just done the survey. I really hope they can do a book out of this for you BIWI - you should be really proud of yourself for pushing this along and helping so many people <non mumsnetty hugs>

CrabbyBigBottom Thu 27-Jun-13 08:46:48

Oops posted too soon.

Brilliant Kiwi well done!

Thanks Koti am taking a multivitamin and osteocare calcium and magnesium every day, and some days take a selenium, B complex and extra vit C.

maidofmuss Thu 27-Jun-13 08:57:06

Wow Kiwigirl well done you, that's amazing.
Do hope you're feeling better today Crabby - can you post your blog link again when you've a sec (am being very lazy) for weekend inspiration smile
Well the superglue worked Chipping – back on bootcamp yesterday apart from 4 walnuts so will really try to keep on track today and MUST drink much more water, too.
Cider I loved the tiny bar of 100% chocolate I bought a week or so ago – was quite grainy and rich and, when I was in the zone, I made it last a week without undue effort. Know I'm better not having any in the house at the moment though when I'm back trying to fight carb cravings all over again sad
Today's food will be:
B eggs (working at home again so may be B/L)
L tuna mayo with chopped cucumber in lettuce wraps
D tbc – lamb chop or chicken fried in butter with cauli (rice or oven-baked) and broccoli in butter
Coffee (not bulletproof) in hand....
Water. Water. Water

BerylStreep Thu 27-Jun-13 08:59:07

Well done Kiwi!

Crabby, your blog is fab.

maidofmuss Thu 27-Jun-13 09:00:17

Don't worry Crabby - just realised Lily did a link just a few posts ago blush

NobodyPutsMyBabyInTheCorner Thu 27-Jun-13 09:01:17

I agree with stuntnun, i think that's who said it... I used to LOVE chocolate and couldn't go a day without it. I thought it would be a huge challenge but haven't touched it at all in three weeks.

When I was pg with DC I ate so much of it, I thought I could have what I wanted and now I can see I gave myself a sugar addiction.

Thank you all for your support an fabulous recipes flowers
I'm not sure where I would be without celeriac.

I did a sneaky WI this morning and I'm 11stone, so 1lb down. I'm wondering if I can get into the 10's by monday or if our BBQ with friends tomorrow will sabotage me!

Feeling really motivated today, anyone have any suggestions for using mince?

maidofmuss Thu 27-Jun-13 09:11:22

Crabby – do something with mince for Nobody ! (Your blog is fabulous – am going to give the pork belly a go)
Nobody I would have suggested meatballs with courgette 'pasta' but I used to roll them in a bit of flour or breadcrumbs and they fell apart last time I did them without so would be interested if anyone has any suggestions too!

NobodyPutsMyBabyInTheCorner Thu 27-Jun-13 09:36:17

Ive just had a look on the recipe thread and theres something called a burger pizza, sounds really strange but I think I might give it a go!

prettybird Thu 27-Jun-13 09:47:55

Re the courgettes, I just thought I'd add in that I have never done them in advance to let the dry out - or even fried them on kitchen paper.

What I do do, is it them in half lengthways and scoop out some of the seeds (which tend to be where the wateriness comes from) before using the potato peeler/cheese slicer to make the pappardelle. The last bit of the courgette tends to need to be cut with a knife.


earlier than usual this week, because tomorrow i will be staying in a fancypants hotel falling off the wagon

biggest loser of the week: StuntNun
biggest losers to date: CrabbyBigBottom and Kiwigirl42
biggest %age loser to date: CrabbyBigBottom

go losers, go losers

StuntNun Thu 27-Jun-13 09:58:29

It was me that put the burger pizza recipe on Nobody it's really yummy. The only change I might make is to cook the burger part for a bit them pour off all the watery stuff that comes out then put the topping on and finish it in the oven.

I have managed to obtain two celeriacs! I will mash one, any suggestions for t'other?

prettybird Thu 27-Jun-13 10:03:33

Curried celeriac chips. Yummy. smile

BillComptonstrousers Thu 27-Jun-13 10:04:03

I've just had a lovely breakfast, a very thin herb omelette stuffed with avocado, tomatoes and mayo. I might have it with my lunch as well but have it with feta, ham and salad. grin

Hurrah, hurrah, hurrah - after sticking to the actual rules for a short while I've finally gone below the weight I've been bouncing about for weeks!!!

Note to self: following the rules works. Not following them doesn't. Fact.

maidofmuss Thu 27-Jun-13 10:16:42

Well done StuntNun Crabby and Kiwi!!!
(And MrsHP – 'tis what I must do. Sticking to the rules! grin)

Well done losers!

BIWI that sounds nice.

MrsHP - I think that might well be where I have gone wrong too. Not sticking to the actual rules! Glad you have seen a result.

I'm having a doing day today. School finishes today for DS. I have an estate agent coming tomorrow to give us an idea of what out house is worth - prompted that the house across the road has gone on the market at an eye watering sum. And I am trying to get organised for our holiday. And figure out why for the rest of the year DS refuses to change out of school uniform but a week before holiday when I am trying to get organised with clothes/washing/ironing, he decides to get changed and play football, then have a shower and change again, and then get clean pyjamas. Every night this week. So washing and tidying this morning and ironing this afternoon.

And sticking to them pesky rules! The wine is all gone so that will help. No more till glass of champagne on plane next week.

And the next week will be interesting food wise as I am trying to use up fridge contents. There may be some interesting combinations!

Negroni Thu 27-Jun-13 10:42:23

Hello everyone! Just checking in to try and stick on track. Feeling a bit strange this week too so trying to keep focused.

Usually I am so fixed on low carb that do not even see the bread etc in the fridge but had guests for dinner last night (lamb chops, greek salad, mini new potatoes followed by blue/rasp/strawberries and double cream/ ice cream) and firstly almost ate small potato when checking was cooked - had to remove from mouth! Then almost forgot that the double cream was for me and almost had giant ice cream portion with berries. Instead had far too many berries and cream blush

Trying to go back to doing a couple of days non dairy (except butter/ eggs etc). Really helped me last week, think it makes me feel fuller and less likely to be tempted by carby foods. Oh and making trip to health food shop today on the hunt for coconut oil.

Congrats Kiwi , Stuntnun, Crabby!!

BIWI - have done the survey! Thanks so much for running this thread.

Nobody you should be OK at a BBQ, surely ideal for low-carb food, just leave the bread alone!

Bill thanks for the inspiration, I think I will have omelette for lunch too, good idea.

Well done all high-achieving incredible shrinking women.

Breakfast was greek yoghurt with raspberries, avocado on the side. It doesn't feel like it was quite enough. I probably just have to have eggs for breakfast, they really set me up for the day. Hence why I'm now suddenly looking forward to my lunch omelette.

BIWI Thu 27-Jun-13 10:59:23

This is how I make meatballs:

In food processor, blitz together 4 large shallots, chilli (optional), 2-4 garlic cloves, 1 pepper. Scrape it down the sides of the bowl, and then add your mince (450-500g). If you have bought lean mince, add a good slug of olive oil/coconut oil. Season well with salt and black pepper, and some dried oregano. (You need a bit more salt than you think you will). Blitz again, till it's all well mixed together.

Tip the mixture on to a chopping board and roll it into large walnut-sized balls.

Put these into an oven dish and bake in a hot oven for around 20 minutes, turning them over half way through the cooking time.

Guaranteed not to fall apart if you do them this way!

That sounds lovely BIWI and much more sophisticated. My meatballs are made as follows:

Open packet of mince and give it to DD to help. She will take random amounts of mince and sort of squish them together in various uneven 'balls' none of which are similar in size to each other just to really help when cooking them. Refrain from taking over and say "well done that is lovely" through gritted teeth. Put on baking tray and cook in over for between 5 - 20 minutes, having to check fairly regularly to take the smaller ones out.

To be fair, they are absolutely fine to eat, and we make loads at a time and have them for snacks over the next few days!!!

shinybaubles Thu 27-Jun-13 11:33:57

Hi everyone just popping in to have a look and see if I can manage this.

maidofmuss Thu 27-Jun-13 11:40:47

Thanks BIWI for recipe and grin at MrsHP's account of cooking with little-ys. I remember the "that's lovely" gritted teeth routine very well! Will definitely oven cook next time, which is what both your versions do. Was going wrong by sticking to a Delia version of braised meatballs in which you fry/seal them first in flour before covering with passata/onions/basil and popping in oven) – a big favourite in Mussy household but not brill for low-carbing.

maidofmuss Thu 27-Jun-13 11:41:15

(or for sticking together in a meatball shape!)

kotinka Thu 27-Jun-13 11:42:12

Message withdrawn at poster's request.

maidofmuss Thu 27-Jun-13 11:43:25

Hi shiny - yes, you can! Have a look at the info BIWI has on the spreadsheet about what to eat/not to eat and post on here for lots of support!

maidofmuss Thu 27-Jun-13 11:43:59

cross-post! Sorry about yr PCM Kotinka!

shinybaubles Thu 27-Jun-13 11:45:07

No kotinka, got side tracked reading the thread, shall have a look in a minute. You all seem to be doing really well.

kotinka Thu 27-Jun-13 11:47:19

Message withdrawn at poster's request.

shinybaubles Thu 27-Jun-13 11:53:29

Ok so I think I get it, will struggle a bit with breakfast. Do I just add myself to the spreadsheet, and I started my own version of low carb 4 weeks ago can I include my weight loss to date.

shiny you will be fine - you can just add yourself that is fine. Why do you think you will struggle with breakfast? See if we can help...

shinybaubles Thu 27-Jun-13 12:00:36

Really not a fan of eggs or dairy in general, I could probably manage eggs twice a week. But what about the other days?

captainmummy Thu 27-Jun-13 12:03:32

Hi Shiny - most people struggle with 'breakfast', but that is because we are brought up to have a 'special' meal in the morning. cereals, Full english, toast, whatever. On the continent, and in other countries around the world, breakfast is the same as any other meal - rice, or leftovers from tea, or whatever is in the fridge/cupboard.

When i was staying with my BFF's family in Prague, i got up to a table laid with boiled sausages (from lastnights dinner), mash (ditto) and sauerkraut! It was fine and served with lots of hot coffee. grin

My point is - eat what you have. Cook lots of boiled eggs, if you don't have time in the morning, altho I can do scrambled eggs in the microwave in under 2mins. (Though I think you dont eat eggs?)
Sooo, cook lots of bacon instead. Or mushrooms, or have cheese spread with marmite, or try one of those Bulletproof coffees that have pervaded this thread. One of those will keep you going till lunch!!!!!

shinybaubles Thu 27-Jun-13 12:04:34

Oh what's a bulletproof coffee, I love coffee?

captainmummy Thu 27-Jun-13 12:05:40

Sorry - Xpost!
FWIW, my breakfast today (I don't usually bother) was leftover mashed swede with a huge knob of butter, heated in microwave and with lots of pepper.

shinybaubles Thu 27-Jun-13 12:07:07

I have been doing my version of low carb, but got told off by BIWI for eating digestives for breakfast, and pointed here.

maidofmuss Thu 27-Jun-13 12:10:22

grin PCM

captainmummy Thu 27-Jun-13 12:10:42

Lol = no digestives here! Biscuits will knock you back out of ketosis straight away, esp if you are doing that every day.

For bulletproof coffee, read back a bit on this thread. Lots of coffee fans!

maidofmuss Thu 27-Jun-13 12:12:14

(ie me copying blindly)
Someone will come along soon to tell you all about bulletproof coffee shiny I've not yet fancied the idea (though am big coffee drinker)

maidofmuss Thu 27-Jun-13 12:13:51

cross post with captain – yes, think there are a couple of recipes/versions if you scroll back through this thread
- you whisk yr coffee with spoonful or two of coconut oil and butter.

shinybaubles Thu 27-Jun-13 12:16:12

Oh no just had a look, think I will stick to my normal coffe. Maybe trying to run before I can walk with that. Thanks everyone.
Now something really embarassing how do I add my myself to the spreadsheet, what should I click on, don't want to mess it up for everyone.

kotinka Thu 27-Jun-13 12:55:58

Message withdrawn at poster's request.

shinybaubles Thu 27-Jun-13 13:17:02

Thanks kotinka- seems some kind person added me, although I think I have done something slightly wrong with the weight.blush

BIWI Thu 27-Jun-13 13:33:10

Hurrah! Welcome, shiny! flowers

Negroni Thu 27-Jun-13 14:11:04

Welcome Shiny!! - hmm sorry to hear about digestives. I would like digestives for breakfast too, just scared of BIWI's big stick!

Kotinka - sorry about computer. But on the upside you have bargain duck! Why can I never find fab bargains (sulks)

Mrs HP - your wisdom was right on the money. Yup following the rules really does work better than breaking them. Or even bending them (thinks about excessive portion of raspberries, blueberries and cream consumed last night).

welcome shiny - I can't see anything wrong with how you've entered your weight - have you lost 8lb to date?

Negroni, yes for me I think I think I am bending the rules a little in my head, when really when I look at it properly I am frankly smashing them with a large hammer...

Willie can you reinstate me, I've been pants at logging my weight, but will go back and backdate it now.

you're back in there mrshp

Doshusallie Thu 27-Jun-13 14:47:14

You know you are a low carber when:

You can neck a whole pint of water in 7 seconds flat in practically one gulp and think absolutely nothing of it (other than "must drink 5 more of those today")
You drive miles out of your way to get the lowest carb peanut butter and buy at least 4 jars
You become a pork scratchings connoisseur
Your family no longer look askance when you eat bolognese sauce/cold pork chops/leftover sausages for breakfast
You handover 1 million pounds at a garage to buy the only thing in there you can actually eat
Your husband resigns himself to never having pasta with anything ever again unless he can be bothered to cook it himself
You become known as "egg girl"
Diet coke is seen as a massive naughty "treat"
A caffeine coffee or tea blows your head off
Lidl is your supermarket of choice
You are an expert in making lettuce "sandwiches"

BlackAffronted Thu 27-Jun-13 14:48:50

Beryl, the celeriac fondant recipe is on my blog but I cant link on my tablet. If you google Jen's place celeriac fondant, it will come up.

Thats the kids off on their summer holidays now, I think I am going to find this harder with them at home and going for days out sad

Dosh grin that's ace!

You add delicious salted butter to about every single thing you eat.

dosh i want to 'like' your post grin

StuntNun Thu 27-Jun-13 14:58:15

Curried celeriac chips?! PrettyBird you rock. That will be great for a Friday night treat. It was hilarious in the greengrocer, the girl behind the counter clearly had no clue what this strange lumpy vegetable was. While I was standing there with a big grin on my face saying, I've been looking for these for a fortnight!

Trousers are definitely looser, I have to keep hoiking them up <grin>

prettybird Thu 27-Jun-13 15:05:36

I think the recipe is on the Übercamp sheet on the Spreadsheet of Fabulousness. From memory, cut the celeriac in to chips, parboil them briefly (1-2 minutes - although I've seen someone suggest not parboiling them), tossing in a couple of tablespoons of olive oil and some curry powder (and some sea salt) and then roasting at c. 190-200C for c.20 minutes.

I one of those who don't parboil - I would add cut them slightly bigger than you want as I found mine shrunk and when too small just looked sad and wrinkly... I did mine with paprika instead of curry powder as well and then dipped them in mayo.

BerylStreep Thu 27-Jun-13 15:42:04

Blackaffronted - thank you. I might try that tonight.

prettybird Thu 27-Jun-13 15:42:36

I agree about doing the chips nice and big - a bit like gastropub chips. smile

Haven't had a chance to try it without the parboil yet.

Does anyone know about carb counts in broad beans? And are they lower if double podded?

ChippingInWiredOnCoffee Thu 27-Jun-13 16:18:04

MrsHP - I somehow missed your posts earlier in the thread?! Thank you for the hugs & thoughts x I'm glad something I said helped you stay on the wagon! Congratulations on getting to the weight you wanted!! grin Try Sainsbury's online for veg carb count!

Shineybaubles - you can do it smile If this diet-adverse-non-egg-eating-vegetarian can do it, anyone can!! I don't always have breakfast, but when I do, 9/10 I have an avocado with some Food Doctor savory seeds - very tasty. I used to have a large chunk of cheddar cheese chopped up with it as well, but I can't decide if dairy makes me stall or not - so I'm not at the moment. I did have to laugh at your version of low carb though - digestive biscuits?? grin

Bulletproof coffee - Meh. I had one this morning with 2tsp of coconut oil and 2 tsp of unsalted butter - it was drinkable, but not 'nice', then later I had another with 2tsp of coconut oil and cream, which was also 'ok' but not 'nice'. What am I meant to be gaining out of adding coconut oil?? Also, I have a headache - I haven't had one in months - could it be the coconut oil??

shinybaubles Thu 27-Jun-13 16:41:01

The rest was carb free Chipping grin.
Not entirely sure I can give them up.

BIWI Thu 27-Jun-13 16:54:48

shiny - the rest of it wasn't carb-free! You were, I recall, eating some salad/veg, both of which have carbs in them. And this is where you should be getting your carbs from.

In your two digestive biscuits, there are 18.8g carbs! That's a whopping amount for something that really won't be filling you up. (Atkins Induction, the first stage of his low carb plan, only allows you 20g carbs *per day!*)

Sadly, if you want to lose the amount of weight that you do, as quickly as possible, then you will have to knock the biscuits on the head.

shinybaubles Thu 27-Jun-13 16:56:13

I know BIWI. You are right. But I still like themsmile.

shinybaubles Thu 27-Jun-13 16:59:55

But I am going to try.

BIWI Thu 27-Jun-13 17:01:56

You're allowed to still like them! You just can't have them ... grin

ChippingInWiredOnCoffee Thu 27-Jun-13 17:03:23


I like them too - but I'd rather have a kitkat.

How much would you like to lose Shiny?

shinybaubles Thu 27-Jun-13 17:04:03

Right I better start researching some breakfast alternatives then.

shinybaubles Thu 27-Jun-13 17:04:30

Loads, Chipping about 30 kilos.

BIWI Thu 27-Jun-13 17:05:54

13.3g carbs in a 2-finger KitKat!

shiny for breakfast, try to treat it just like any other meal. I usually have eggs, because I like them - but sometimes have leftovers from dinner the night before. Or a continental-type breakfast of sliced meats and cheese.

BIWI Thu 27-Jun-13 17:06:51

.... and once you're in the swing of things, you don't have to eat breakfast if you're not hungry. But don't start doing this until you've done two weeks of low carbing/Bootcamp - you need to make sure that your blood sugar levels are properly stabilised and that you have switched your body from carb-burning to fat-burning

BIWI Thu 27-Jun-13 17:07:51
BIWI Thu 27-Jun-13 17:10:17

Actually, I should have looked at all those recipes before I posted the link! They're nearly all egg-based. Some talk about toast, and others about potatoes - so pretty rubbish on the low carb front really! Will do a bit more research.

shinybaubles Thu 27-Jun-13 17:11:53

Thanks BIWI that's kind of you, I am ok with omlette type egg things but would still prefer not to eat them every day.

kotinka Thu 27-Jun-13 17:14:30

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BIWI Thu 27-Jun-13 17:16:46

Bacon and mushrooms is a good combination, or (low carb) sausages and tomatoes - The Black Farmer sausages are lovely. High meat content and very low in carbs.

If you look at the recipe thread here the asparagus fritatta recipe is good, and you could use other veg instead of asparagus.

shinybaubles Thu 27-Jun-13 17:20:15

How many carbs should I be looking at per sausage?

shinybaubles Thu 27-Jun-13 17:23:44

Yup like pate.

BIWI Thu 27-Jun-13 17:59:27

As low as possible! The Black Farmer are 1g carb per 100g which is very low - each sausage weighs 67g, so will be less than 1g carb.

shinybaubles Thu 27-Jun-13 18:09:49

Ok have some in the fridge will go and check them, thanks.

shinybaubles Thu 27-Jun-13 18:11:28

Guess I won't be eating them they are 12g per 100g, that's quite a lot.

StuntNun Thu 27-Jun-13 18:20:58

Just one question... how do you peel a celeriac without slicing a finger?

Ruprekt Thu 27-Jun-13 18:23:07

Breakfasts this week now I have changed my mindset.......

Duck and broccoli stirfry smilesmilesmile

Bulletproof coffees

Salmon on stirfried cabbage

Yoghurt with blueberries

Made made prawn and egg stir fried cauliflower rice for dinner. It was brilliantly delicious. smilesmilesmile

shinybaubles Thu 27-Jun-13 18:24:39

Love the sound of duck and broccoli stir fry - but not sure about breakfast.

Breakfast ideas that are a bit breakfasty in the traditional sense:
breakfast muffins/frittatas (egg based, but filled with other stuff so they don't taste so 'eggy' if you get my drift)
eggs - fried, poached, scrambled boiled
low carb sausages - we always have the black farmer ones as I think they are the lowest carb
avocado mashed up
greek yoghurt with a bit of vanilla powder/cinnamon/plain

Or as others have said anything really. Other things I have at times had for breakfast are cheese, meats, leftovers, pork scratchings or olives (often a random combination of above depending on what is in my fridge and how hungry I am!)

BIWI Thu 27-Jun-13 18:39:00

StuntNun - I use a big knife and just slice down the sides - don't try and peel it elegantly!

I use a vegetable peeler, one of the ones that is like a y shape with the cutting bit across the top, rather than the ones that are like a bullet shape!

BerylStreep Thu 27-Jun-13 18:53:39

BlackAffronted I have just had celeriac fondant and braised cabbage with roast chicken thighs for dinner.

It was absolutely divine. Honestly, it is possibly the best thing I have ever tasted!

BerylStreep Thu 27-Jun-13 18:57:50

I peel it with a knife - set it on a chopping board and slice down the ways.

daisychicken Thu 27-Jun-13 19:01:05

Just logging in... have sts again but... but....(!) I've lost my hunger pangs so I must be doing something right!!

There are some breakfast ideas on one of the tabs in the spreadsheet too