Week 8 - Summer Low Carb Bootcamp - Only 3 weeks left!

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BIWI Mon 17-Jun-13 08:08:57

Morning campers.

Come and confess all on the Spreadsheet of Fabulousness

So only three weeks left. I know that things have been moving quite satisfactorily for some of you, so hopefully these last three weeks can see a few more of those pesky pounds disappear.

I had a bit of an altercation with some sticky toffee pudding this weekend (at the PILs) so I've got my work cut out over the next few days to undo the damage!

Off for a run shortly ...

BIWI Mon 17-Jun-13 08:18:48

herecomesthsun It's an interesting question re dairy and why it should stall weight loss. I think it's probably something to do with the fact that milk contains lactose, which is a sugar.

I'll see what I can find out!

couch25cakes Mon 17-Jun-13 08:20:30

We've had a weekend of parties this weekend so just 1lb off this week for me. I was 3lb down on Saturday morning but it was a good weekend so 1lb is fine. I'd be grateful if someone could put that in the spreadsheet please. That's 10lb in about 4 weeks smile

NewStartNewStory Mon 17-Jun-13 08:20:45

Morning BIWI

Physiologically: dairy contains the sugar lactose

I really do need to find the scales this week. I have put sts into the spreadsheet the last too week because the scales were buried. blush First job of the day: school run.

prettybird Mon 17-Jun-13 08:25:45

Marking place. Still to WI - but only weigh myself after I've done the Shred and completed my ablutions

Had two tiny roast potatoes last night at my dad's - but lots of lovely roast lamb and a few peas and a nice homegrown green salad. He had pre-sugared the strawberries unfortunately - but they were very nice with cream. smile I almost resisted the chocolates with the coffee ok, I gave and had the last one that was just sitting there wink

BIWI Mon 17-Jun-13 08:26:19
sybilfaulty Mon 17-Jun-13 08:29:34

Thank you for the thread BIWI.

I am afraid I have lost the plot a little. I am in a redundancy situation at work and very stressed. There has been damage, including wine and cocktails. I am still 1lb down though so all is not lost. I will try to do my best on the food this week.

I may swim at lunchtime if work goes well this morning.

Good luck to everyone weighing in today.

TheChocolateTeapot Mon 17-Jun-13 08:31:08

Only 1lb loss for me but only have myself to blame for drinking too much over the weekend. Have had a lightbulb moment though after reading on the last thread that alcohol is a barrier to the loss of fat why has it taken me so long to know this! so I am going to be absolutely alcohol free this week in an attempt to shift a few more lbs. Enjoy the sunshine.

biwi re the lactose that's why i'm always surprised that yoghurt is thought to be better tolerated than cheese/cream, because most cheeses and double cream brands are lower carbs per 100g than yoghurt - and higher fat % too.

from personal experience though too much cream makes me feel gurgly and funny in a way that yoghurt and cheese don't, and if i eat too much dairy i do stall (i don't put on weight, but it doesn't come off), and i don't feel as 'clean'

so i wonder whether it is something to do with the cow's milk protein, which often causes problems in infants i believe?

x-post with the link to the MDA article

must be something in the fermented aspect of yoghurt...

maidofmuss Mon 17-Jun-13 08:39:19

Doh - just posted at bottom of last thread. For those who've may have missed it, Nobody posted a great link (copied below) that tells you your size at different shops when you key in your measurements – worth a look!

BIWI Mon 17-Jun-13 08:46:25

Sorry to hear that, sybil. Try not to resort to emotional eating (and drinking!) as far as you possibly can - ultimately it will only make you feel worse. Easy to say, I know ...

Briffa has an explanation somewhere about yoghurt, Willie. I'll see if I can find it.

BIWI Mon 17-Jun-13 08:48:25

Here we go - this is from Dr Briffa's blog:

"Some of my relative enthusiasm for yoghurt comes from the fact that, in practice, this food is generally less likely than milk and cheese to pose problems due to food intolerance. Dairy products such as milk and cheese are rich in proteins that can be quite difficult to digest, and may make their way into the body in partially digested form where they may trigger a variety of health issues including sinus congestion, asthma and eczema. Because yoghurt and milk are essentially the same food, one might expect that they have a similar capacity to induce food intolerant reactions. However, studies show that the bacteria deployed in the fermentation process that converts milk into yoghurt aid and abet the digestion of milk proteins. The pre-digestion of protein by bacteria help to explain why, compared to milk and cheese, yoghurt is less likely trigger unwanted reactions.

Apart from protein, another component of dairy products that some individuals may have difficult digesting is the sugar lactose. This problem – known as lactose intolerance – is relatively rare in individuals of Northern European decent, but is very common in those of Southern European, Asian, Afro-Caribbean and South American stock. Individuals affected by lactose intolerance are prone to symptoms such as bloating, diarrhoea and gas after consuming milk (which is rich in lactose). However, some strains of bacteria used in the making of yoghurt have lactose-digesting ability, and this is reflected in the fact that yoghurt contains less lactose than milk. As a result, those who struggle to digest lactose generally find they tolerate yoghurt better than the liquid from which it is derived.

In addition to helping the digestibility of dairy, studies suggest that the organisms found in ‘live’ and ‘bio’ yoghurts have the potential to help alleviate gut-related issues such as constipation and diarrhoea. These beneficial bugs are also seem to help keep the gut free from unwanted organisms including those responsible for food poisoning and the bacterium Helicobacter pylori (the bug now recognised as a common underlying factor in digestive conditions such as stomach and duodenal ulcers, stomach inflammation and stomach cancer)."

captainmummy Mon 17-Jun-13 08:48:42

Interesting article BIWI - i have cut out yoghurt now, as I can eat a 1000g Lidls tub in 2 goes! I don;t drink milk either, apart from a couple of coffees at work (where i can't bring in cream and I wont drink it black), but I'm STS .

BIWI Mon 17-Jun-13 08:48:58

Whether or not yoghurt impedes weight loss may be a different matter, of course!

daisychicken Mon 17-Jun-13 08:58:44

I've decided to cut out yoghurt..... I haven't weighed myself today but I'm convinced that initial loss was just water (& maybe faulty measurement) but my tum seems even bigger & I don't feel I have lost weight (scales or inches) - I had to stay at the 20g or less level for a long time previously and I think the yog isn't helping...... sad

BIWI Mon 17-Jun-13 09:00:02

daisychicken - list out for me your meals over the last few days - see if there is anything else we can spot

You say you don't feel you've lost weight - but have you actually weighed/measured?

VikingLady Mon 17-Jun-13 09:01:48

Interesting about the dairy - maybe I need to cut down/eliminate that too, since I am barely losing anything now! I did try making yoghurt last night but this morning it was all mucus-y. Fairly sure that isn't right!

BIWI Mon 17-Jun-13 09:05:56

You know, the best and most sustainable weight loss is slow and steady. 1-2lbs a week is perfectly good

It's a bit of a myth that low carbing leads to huge and regular losses. It's certainly true in the first two weeks, because as well as the water weight that you lose (which will happen on any diet), you also lose your glycogen stores.

The more weight you have to lose, you are likely to lose a little bit more. daisychicken you don't have a massive amount of weight to lose, so you're not suddenly going to drop half a stone in a week!

Best advice I can give you is to stand back and look at your progress over a longer period of time; stop focussing on the week-by-week losses. (I know it's hard to do that, when we're doing a week-by-week thing!)

thanks for looking that up biwi, so it is the fermentation aspect that makes the difference

so it looks like yoghurt is less likely to cause stalls through being a dairy product, but more likely to cause stalls due to (like milk) being relatively higher carb and lower fat than other dairy products (e.g. cream and cheese) so could contribute to carb creep

AngieAir Mon 17-Jun-13 09:34:21

Oh dear Lord, I've weighed myself and I've put on 3lbs. I could cry, especially as a lot of my food was out of my control for a couple of weeks and I felt rubbish with a sore tummy and now I've gained too.

My measurements haven't increased but I'm so disappointed. Hopefully it is just water weight or something as I didn't make a pig of myself.

However, I will carry on with this WOE because I feel so much better on it. And I appreciate all the support and inspiration on these threads.

Today's plan:

B: coffee with cream, 2 rashers bacon
L: asparagus & egg, salad with oil & vinegar
D: cauliflower, chicken thighs with skin & mayo

berryfreeze Mon 17-Jun-13 09:43:01

Morning all[ smile]
Marking place have STS this week but TOTM, so hoping it is just a bit of extra water.
No sugary/ choc cravings,more like cheese and salty foods, so am cutting out diary for next few days, and see how I go.

angie don't fret, 3lb is nothing if you've been off-plan for a bit - it can easily be up to (or beyond) 14lb for some people. most of it will be your glycogen stores replenishing, especially as your measurements haven't changed. plenty of water and stick to bootcamp and it should come off quickly.

NewStartNewStory Mon 17-Jun-13 09:50:39

Very interesting because i can tollerate cheese but yoghurt, milk and cream in quantity do unspeakable things to my digestive system. But yet cheese requires a rather significant quantity before that happens. A fact i am eternally grateful for. That said i shouldn't be eating any cheese either. blush

daisy is it possible that you have lost weight but from other areas more then the tum so it feels like you haven't got a bigger tum but actually the whole of you has shrunk and the tum not just as much as the rest?

BlackAffronted Mon 17-Jun-13 09:58:30

<trying again> sad

BlackAffronted Mon 17-Jun-13 10:05:01

I dont touch milk and only eat cheese sparingly, but I really couldnt do this woe without cream! It makes my meals more interesting & tastier. Luckily, when I was losing weight, cream didnt seem to impede me at all.

Hope you are successfully back on the wagon Tiger (and anyone else?)

I resisted the home-made scones & jam etc at a gathering yesterday.

I've learned to be warier of cheese/cream etc but as a non-meat-eater this WOE would be really hard without dairy options. (or very very eggy).

I wasn't very hungry again yesterday:
B - greek yoghurt, some cucumber
L - feta salad
D - not hungry, had some greek yogurt with a couple of strawberries

(very much NOT a dairy-free day then!)

This morning back on eggs for breakfast though.

prettybird Mon 17-Jun-13 10:38:49

Now weighed myself: have lost one pound so am now into three digit territory at 10stone 9lbgringrin. Last time I was here (4 years ago) I vowed I would never go back to a 4 digit weight. Hopefully this time, with this WoE and the support of you lot , I can keep to that! smile

I'll update the spreadsheet when I am back on a PC.

middleagedspread Mon 17-Jun-13 10:38:53

2 lb down for me. I've been quite strict apart from a whole bag of salted almonds last night.
I'm not convinced that cutting dairy for any significant time would be a good idea at my age. I don't want to increase the osteoporosis risk factors.
My Total habit will continue.

BIWI Mon 17-Jun-13 10:48:08

Woo hoo, prettybird! flowers

middledagedspread - if you're still losing at that rate, I'd be inclined to say that your Total habit dairy isn't an issue for you!

maidofmuss Mon 17-Jun-13 10:49:24

Well done middle and other losers. I had my little diatribe at bottom of last thread (altercation with scales) and have yet to decide whether to record an average (which wd be a 1lb loss) or Sts!

CrabbyBigBottom Mon 17-Jun-13 10:57:20

Morning everyone

Tiger and Negroni glad it's not just me feeling different at TOTM. Negroni first period since 2011?! shock Wow that must me a bit of a shock to the system. I still had my usual heavy periods when breastfeeding - first one six weeks post partum. I'd only just stopped bloody bleeding from the birth! angry Most unfair!

Willie I have definitely found PMT to be better on the WOE, it's just the days when I am actually bleeding heavily. Next month if it happens again I might try eating low GI rather than low carb for a couple of days. BIWI and all you menopausal/perimenopausal bods, I guess the one big advantage of menopause is not having the periods to deal with - mine have always been awful.

here I am envy of your burrata. Where did you get it?

Sybil sorry to hear about the redundancy issue. Hope things work out ok.

CrabbyBigBottom Mon 17-Jun-13 11:00:11

Looks like one of bootcamp's rules should be to cut out dairy altogether!

shock shock

Hush now BIWI, that's just crazy talk! wink

middleagedspread Mon 17-Jun-13 11:01:25

Quite Crabby, hit her with her own stick grin

Really interesting info about dairy. I think I would really struggle on this with no dairy. Will def cut back again this week though.

Right. Scalesgate here. My scales has now given up completely. I weighed in and I weigh "Err". Weighed in on another set and weighed 14 5!!!!! Not happy. Am going out later and will get a new battery for my scales.
Desperately hoping it is just the battery. If not I will be buying new scales. Will have to enter my weight on spreadsheet tomorrow.

I feel quite bloated today though. Gurgly tummy too.

Just been for a run. So feel good about that.

Well done on all losses. And chin up those who haven't seen loss on scales. I know well how disheartening it is.

kiwigirl42 Mon 17-Jun-13 11:12:03

hi guys - have lost a pound which I'm pleased with. really feeling lighter when I walk as well.
Had fabulous time at friends wedding and only ate a piece of brownie that was off plan plus a few drinks

tigerchair Mon 17-Jun-13 11:18:56

Hi everyone smile

Well done on all the losses flowers

I've weighed and I've STS but I'm up 1 inch on my waist measurement. Still feeling bloated and period-y but really hoping that I can get back on track from today. Just had a cup of green tea this morning. I'll make some good low carb choices for lunch/dinner and drink loads of water.

Loved the link for the clothes sizing, although I would like to be a 10-12 rather than the 14-12 that is currently being displayed grin

My best match shops were Topshop and Oasis 14's, I rarely shop there so might check Oasis out (way too old for Topshop!!!)

Have a good day everyone x

timidviper Mon 17-Jun-13 11:27:53

I'm with Black on this. I don't like milk, only have a small amount in tea, hate cheese, bleeurgh except for small amounts in cooking and don't like yoghurt much either but I would die without cream on this woe. I have a dash in my scrambled eggs each morning which makes them all smooth and silky and use it a lot in cooking.

Maybe that will change as I have less weight to lose but at the moment me and cream are like Charlton Heston and his guns, "you will have to prise it out of my cold, dead hands"!!!

CrabbyBigBottom Mon 17-Jun-13 11:28:01

Well I'd lost 2lbs during the week but thought I'd cocked it all up this weekend by having half a bottle of red and a small glass of port on both Saturday and Sunday nights. Astonishingly though, I've lost another lb, making 3lb this week. smile

Congratulations pretty on your 3 digit success!

Thanks Nobody I'm going to measure this morning and have a play on that link you posted.

Thank you BIWI for all the great information you post (silly ideas about cheese being anything other than the ambrosia of the gods, excepted), running this thread and the support (and big stick waving) you give us all. smile

In fact, thank you all of you wonderful women for all the support and exchange of ideas and information that happens here! It's a great thread.

Phew, I feel like I've just done one of those Oscar acceptance speeches where the person cries throughout whilst thanking everyone from her parents to the postman. Like Gwyneth Paltrow. grin

<<exits stage left, sobbing uncontrollably>>

Negroni Mon 17-Jun-13 11:36:50

Ok weighed and sad to say that I have bounced up from my just over 10. 11 on Friday and now scales say 10.11 and seven eighths! So I think I will record (very reluctantly, I might add) as 10.12.

So after uber camping for 3 days and eating cheese for 4, it is a 2 pound loss. Nothing amazing but am trying to be happy about it even though I was secretly hoping for some kind of 4 pound loss miracle. Still it is definitely into the 10 stones territory, last seen in 2010 (even more a distant memory than my period). Hopefully I can stay down in the tens now, even though I have a big do at the weekend which will definitely involve lots of booze and probably a lot worse!

Crabby - know that seems ages. It was end 2011, got pregnant v start of 2012, breastfed till this april, then nothing till now. With DD1 whom I breastfed longer, I think I had a period free 2 years, which was v good indeed!

V interesting read on the dairy link BIWI . I suspect I am one of those people who should probably be sticking to mainly cream and butter, or at v least watch my dairy intake.

Negroni Mon 17-Jun-13 11:42:43

And well done to everyone for their losses! kiwi, Crabby, middle, pretty sorry if I have missed anyone - the thread moves so fast!

Maid - I sympathise lots. I hate it when the scales don't play ball and bounce back for no good reason at all.

Thanks v much for the new thread BIWI it is a great help in making sure that I keep on keeping on.

So. Today is not going well. humf. I fell asleep on the sofa with DS this morning so I missed my slot at the gym, my glasses have snapped in half, I have at least 5 loads of washing to do my house is filthy and my head feels full of fog and rage. And DM is arriving imminently. I might cry.
Breakfast was a protein shake with cream and peanut butter and I'm having a bulletproof coffee now to try and straighten my mushy head out. sad
No idea what I'll be eating for the rest of the day. Must resist TGI's sweet potato fries <sob>

SamanthaJones Mon 17-Jun-13 12:08:54

Hello, is anyone on this thread going to keep going beyond the 3 weeks you have left?

I've got so much left to lose that I need to keep on this phase 1 for at least another 6 months (I've one 6 months so far) but that's fine!

SamanthaJones Mon 17-Jun-13 12:09:33

And I'm too embarrassed to post on the spreadsheet, I hope you don't mind my joining the thread anyway

SamanthaJones Mon 17-Jun-13 12:10:15

Btw anyone missing crisps I've been buying Posh pork scratchings, they're lush! Will link.

SamanthaJones Mon 17-Jun-13 12:10:54
tigerchair Mon 17-Jun-13 12:11:29

Aww, bullet, hope your day starts to improve very soon.

Thanks BIWI for the new thread and all the support (and to everyone else too) smile

Feel like I'm getting back to me again, will have to be way better prepared next month with strategies for the carb cravings.

Another dairy question! - Is is ok to use something like almond milk/lactose free milk instead of the regular stuff?

tigerchair Mon 17-Jun-13 12:13:10

Samantha, I want to lose just over a stone so I'll still be on the plan for some time still.

SamanthaJones Mon 17-Jun-13 12:17:08

I've lost 2.5 stone since January but I've got loads more to go. Booze is my downfall.

But this weekend I have resisted cake, trifle, yum yums and toast.

SamanthaJones Mon 17-Jun-13 12:17:48

Oh that's nice to hear tigerchair!

tigerchair Mon 17-Jun-13 12:24:16

Samantha, I love red wine but I'm cutting it out this week except maybe for a glass or two on Friday night. We were talking about it on the last thread and the advice has stuck with me, fat burning won't take place while there is alcohol in my system as the body will always metabolise this first. So my glass or two of red wine habit most nights will have to break. I'll feel all the better for it, not just weight-wise. Do you want to join me in a no booze challenge smile

colette Mon 17-Jun-13 12:30:32

Will be interesting to catch up of thread later. Have put 1lb on, visitors and stuck in a rut with food. Too much cheese as well .

Last 3 weeks 1 So cannot afford to mess about. Onwards and upwards , good luck all

SamanthaJones Mon 17-Jun-13 12:40:24

Yy tiger, I try to do no booze in the week and I mostly succeed but I could with doing a 2 weeks no booze at all stint really...

daisychicken Mon 17-Jun-13 12:42:44

The last few days I've been over on carbs as had family around & eating out at places where no low carb alternatives available... I know it will take time as I'm close to goal, I'm just feeling flabby(!)

Starting afresh today!

BlackAffronted Mon 17-Jun-13 12:51:44

SJ, I will be here for a long time! I have squillions to lose, and doing a very poor job at the moment.

BIWI Mon 17-Jun-13 13:04:16

Welcome, Samantha! Don't worry, we won't disappear when the 3 weeks are up. We generally keep a chat thread going until the next Bootcamp starts.

herecomesthsun Mon 17-Jun-13 13:24:47

burrata - ordered via the Waitrose website as a speculative move. They delivered it on Sat with the best before date the same day. DH put some of the shopping into the fridge for me, so I didn't find it till Sun morning, and felt I really should erm just attack it with a spoon as fast as possible.

re dairy, I'm still breastfeeding, so I do think dairy continues to be a good idea. However, I am almost exclusively drinking almond milk, but do have cream, butter and cheese. And lots of eggs.

herecomesthsun Mon 17-Jun-13 13:27:51

By the way, if anyone is looking for somewhere to eat out that does low carb - can I recommend Loch Fyne? Generally, seafood or steak and vegetables or salad is a pretty good basis for an enjoyable low carb meal.

NobodyPutsMyBabyInTheCorner Mon 17-Jun-13 13:28:01

SJ, Tiger, I need to continue all the way into August so I'll be here smile

Keep having a few wobbly moments today! Eek.

middleagedspread Mon 17-Jun-13 13:39:07

Nobody, SJ, Tiger, I'll be here until bikini time in August.
I SO want to look half decent on the beach.

herecomesthsun Mon 17-Jun-13 14:03:59

Well, I guess that the things I need to consider are
-making sure I drink more water
-more exercise
-cutting out/down dairy
-cutting out nuts and seeds altogether
-cutting out berries
-cutting out the occasional random indulgence

I think that the water and the exercise make most sense first off.

tigerchair Mon 17-Jun-13 14:07:42

So almond milk should be ok, thanks herecomes.

SJ, Nobody and Middle..I'll be here till August too def smile

I found a tub of cheese sauce in Tesco, McLleland's Seriously Strong Rich Cheddar Cheese sauce. I know it's not home made but thought it would be useful to have in fridge just in case I need a quick meal as it would go well with fish/steak and veg. It seems to be grain free and only 1.5g carbs per 100g and has a long best before date (Oct 2013), hoping it'll be alright.

Does anyone have any suggestions for some nice sauces (one of the advantages of this WOE, yummy creamy sauces!).

It's amazing how different I feel today, no carb cravings yet I would have killed for that bag of Quavers yesterday grin

daisychicken Mon 17-Jun-13 14:15:35

Just weighed myself..... 9st9... so according to the scales I've gone from 9st6 to 9st3 to 9st9....???????

B: small pot lidl yog and about 1tsp berries (all I had!) plus small piece cheese
L: salad leaves with mayo, small piece cheese (less than 1/2 small matchbox size) and 1 drumstick and 1 chicken wing in BBQ sauce (was about 3g carbs)
D: not sure yet but probably bacon 2-3 slices with fried mushrooms and 2 cherry toms (didn't get to the supermarket!), can add salad leaves
S: none as yet

Last week of putting myself down as STS, 'cos I'm back in the UK on Friday smile I have no idea whether I've lost anything in the past month, I've been sticking to the rules, plus doing 5:2 as well, so I can but hope! Right now, I feel smaller, 'mainly cos I'm blinkin' starving (today is a fast day), so I hope the scales reflect this next week!

captainmummy Mon 17-Jun-13 15:19:23

Oh good luck furry - it'll be interesting to see how much yoiu've lost!

ChippingInWiredOnCoffee Mon 17-Jun-13 15:21:11

Sam - worry not - I'll be here for a very long time to come!! You will not be alone :O)

Hi to all - loads of posts today, far too many to mention individually!

I'm only down 1lb this week. It would have been more as it was 3 midweek, but it's that TOTM and I seem to have bloated into a small island. Hopefully the extras will fuck off go away soon! I am tantalisingly near A Big Goal - and losing and gaining those couple of pounds has been bloody annoying. I am also have TOTM cravings for carbs - but I'm resisting... I want the weight loss more or so I keep telling myself. Lack of sleep is not helping.

BIWI - the whole milk/cream/cheese/yogurt thing has me demented I cannot work out if it stalls me or not. I haven't had much cheese lately, I've pretty much cut the milk out (no more lattes -but a bit of milk out if they don't have cream), sometimes I buy Total (Briffa says it can actually help with weight loss) and sometimes I avoid it. I can't seem to pin the 'stall' or 'successes' on doing or not doing any of the above - or anything else! I just wish I knew what did what so I could stop 'suspecting' everything and just get on with it. It's so hard as a non egg eating vegetarian to low carb and cut out dairy altogether, but I'd do it if I knew it was stalling me.

I just keep plodding in - eating something one week but not another, then going back to it etc - it's no wonder I don't get invited to anyone's house for dinner anymore sad <sob> <casts eyes around for 'feel sorry' invites>.

RUP where are you??

maidofmuss Mon 17-Jun-13 15:33:44

Hi Samantha - I'm going to keep going with it too. Someone said BIWI and Willie start an interim chat thread before another Bootcamp start-up later in the year thanks to them both for starting and continuing all this.
What are yum yums btw? I think I want some.

maidofmuss Mon 17-Jun-13 15:36:36

Just realised posted without having read page 3 of thread, so my last post particularly dense now I've read it. Doh! Having one of those days – not good for a Monday.
Back to work (beats self with big stick)

ChippingInWiredOnCoffee Mon 17-Jun-13 15:44:23

MaidofMuss grin

Yumyums - you do not want to know what they are - trust me!

(They are amazing, especially from Waitrose, they are sort of like square donuts coated in sugar and the very best ones have apple inside. YUM for sure. I haven't had one since January. I think I might have one for my 'Birthday cake' next February!)

biwi will beat you with an extra big stick if you go anywhere near a yumyum on bootcamp!

BIWI Mon 17-Jun-13 15:49:53

I will grin

SamanthaJones Mon 17-Jun-13 15:52:02

You don't want to know what yum yums are! but www.mysupermarket.co.uk/tesco-price-comparison/Patisserie/Tesco_Yum_Yums_4.html

I use lots of garlic butter on steaks and fish. And fennel butter.

I'm glad loads of you are here for a while!

God I cannot WAIT to be thin, I've been a heifer for about ten years now and this is the closest I've got o doing something about it. :eyes roll at self:

SamanthaJones Mon 17-Jun-13 15:54:00

Breakfast : Breakkfast "muffin" (India and Neris recipe)
Lunch: avocado with bacon, melted cheese and halloumi
Not sure what's for supper yet, maybe steak and salad

prettybird Mon 17-Jun-13 16:01:46

<drooools> yum yums...... smilesmile <drools some more>

Still, as I remind myself when I am tempted, yum yums will always be around to buy at some point. I don't need to have one now no I don't

That's one good bit of advice I've got from these threads.

CrabbyBigBottom Mon 17-Jun-13 16:39:01

Bullet flowers I know that foggy rage feeling well! Hope your day got better.

ChippingInWiredOnCoffee Mon 17-Jun-13 16:59:05

prettybird - that's what I generally think/say too... however, when I was faced with something I might not be able to have at another time I was a bit stuck! I just had to decide it wasn't worth it! <gasp>

Negroni Mon 17-Jun-13 17:34:15

prettybird I try and say the "I don't need to have it now" thing too. But then I start imagining this one day in the future when I will give in and have all these saved up things like chips and ice cream sundaes and big slabs of cake and milkshakes and yum yums and Baileys and a cream tea.

That will be one hell of a day.

maidofmuss Mon 17-Jun-13 17:38:52

... well I have had a crapsy crappingtons day so I'm heading home, repeating the mantra "i will not search for Yum Yums" until I get safely through my front door. Got slow-cooked beef in red wine ready to heat up, which helps somewhat. Will try to log in later with a cup of tea and catch up on dairy debate (milk-less tea of course) because as someone posted earlier Chipping? I haven't been able to work out what may be slowing my weight loss as I have dairy one day then not the next... Think I could manage without cream and cut back on cheese, but not my precious Total... (sob)

middleagedspread Mon 17-Jun-13 17:59:39

Actually I think Yum Yums are horrid. They're just claggy dough with icing on the top. Definitely not worth cheating for.
Now, one of my apricot flap japs (that I've hidden from myself)is a different story.

I'm gutted. I've been treating myself to the odd square of very dark choc, I actually read the label & one 40g serving of Lindt with sea salt is 40g of carbs. Terrible news.

prettybird Mon 17-Jun-13 18:56:59

You should treat yourself to the Lidl 74% dark chocolate: 38g carbs per 100g, so only 2.8g per square not that I ever treat myself if I have a craving wink

I dread to think what a square of my tablet would be shock

ChippingInWiredOnCoffee Mon 17-Jun-13 19:04:39

Middleagedspread - have you tried Waitrose apple YumYums? Ther are YUM. Other are definitely inferior and not worth cheating over I agree. They don't have icing??!!

Bad news about the choc - but how many squares would you need to eat to eat 40g?

I have a block of dark chocolate in the cupboard, bought early on just in case I felt the need & to stop me eating anything nicer 'worse'. I'll see what that is.

Prettybird TABLET - about 6000000 carbs per 100g I should think grin

ChippingInWiredOnCoffee Mon 17-Jun-13 19:08:35

Middle - are you sure it's not 40g per 100g? That seems impossible - it would be 100% carb??

The Lindt 85% cocoa is 19g per 100g or 7.6 per 40g.

As yet unopened.

StuntNun Mon 17-Jun-13 19:11:14

It's my first day of LC today so I'm worriedly anticipating the carb hangover.

B: Greek yoghurt and mushrooms fried in butter
L: grated cheddar mixed with mayo served with mixed leaves and beetroot julienne strips
S: 10 cashews and some cucumber
D: roasted chicken quarter with a portobello mushroom and courgettes fried in butter

So a bit heavy on the dairy today but I can't eat eggs at the moment as my DS3 is allergic and I'm breastfeeding him. I have some pork belly slices for tomorrow's dinner but not quite sure what to do with them, I've never cooked it before.

Quick question though, DH had:
B: boiled eggs
L: apple, satsuma and banana
S: olives, almonds and chorizo
D: same as me
I don't think this is following the woe correctly but can't quite explain why to him. Is this okay or is it going to mess up his weight loss?

BIWI Mon 17-Jun-13 19:17:20

StuntNun - are you doing Bootcamp? If you are, then please ditch the beetroot and the cashews! They are way too carby.

Your husband isn't low carbing if that's what he had for lunch! There will have been loads of carbs in that little lot.

The reason why fruit isn't OK is that it is sugar! Which spikes an insulin release, which leads to the body laying down fat.

BIWI Mon 17-Jun-13 19:17:48

No fruit at all in the first two weeks of Bootcamp. After that, you can include some, but only berries. And definitely not a banana!

BIWI Mon 17-Jun-13 19:21:57

Carb counts:

1 medium apple - 21g carbs
1 medium satsuma - 12.8g carbs
1 medium banana - 23.2g carbs

That's 57g of carbs just for his lunch!

I think you probably both need to do a bit of reading about low carbing. there's some stuff here to get you started

And then read Dr John Briffa's book "Escape the Diet Trap"

middleagedspread Mon 17-Jun-13 19:27:49

Chipping, no, never tried apple yum yums. I don't think I've seen them in Waitrose i do like their Berlingers though.

I've just got the wrapper out of the bin & put my reading specs on blush
Lindt Excellent Touch of Sea Salt
50% Carb
49% sugar in 100g.

I shall go back to the G&B 80%, does anyone know what that carb count is?

You are all marvellous & the support I get on here is fantastic, thank you.

I blasted the fog away with a bulletproof coffee and some very loud Jaguar Skills!
My mum came over and we had a really nice chilled out day, I got on with cleaning the kitchen while she entertained the boy. I think the cleaning cleared away the rest of the fog and rage, crumbs make me homicidal!
We went for a lovely walk to the park and DS has been a pirate all day!
Well done to all the losers, I'll weigh in tomorrow or wed. smile

decaffwithcream Mon 17-Jun-13 20:02:34

Look it up on the tescos website middle, you can see the nutritional info for each product you look up.

If it helps my lidl 81 per cent has 22g carbs.

SamanthaJones Mon 17-Jun-13 20:03:53

Blimey at 40g of carbs in a teeny piece of chocolate

I agree about yum yums really - someone brought them, I don't buy them. Dh wanted to buy tiger bread on Saturday and I said NFW as I think it's one of the things I'd find very hard to resist.

SamanthaJones Mon 17-Jun-13 20:04:38

I'm eating under 25g of carbs a day I think

decaffwithcream Mon 17-Jun-13 20:08:55

That dairy link was VERY interesting - I have been reluctantly suspecting yoghurt is the cause of my stall - I stalled for 4 weeks until I gave up all dairy for a few days and have not seen any loss since restarting dairy with no cheese and a reduced level.

Looks like yoghurt is a possible culprit. Since I had that every day. I will accept that if I can continue with cream in my coffee and possibly reintroduce creme fraiche and cheese (bargains with capricious weight loss gods)

Going to just have cream for next few days and see what happens.

decaffwithcream Mon 17-Jun-13 20:11:53

I think the 40 grams of carb are in the whole big bar of chocolate. But 2 squares for 8 grams of carbs is not worth it.

I get 5 grams of carbs for 2 big squares but am on the look out for darker than 81 percent!

ChippingInWiredOnCoffee Mon 17-Jun-13 20:22:02

Hi StuntNun smile Don't stress over getting carb flu - you might not get it, I didn't and to say I ate a lot of carbs previously is an understatment blush

Sam have you read the Bootcamp Rules? Is it very different to what you were doing before?

Decaff << seriously - decaff?? <shudder - I need the caffine> What was your 'reduced level' bit meant to say? Cream? I totally understand what you mean about bargaining with the wl gods!!). I have tried cutting various bits out, but I can't seem to settle on what I think makes me stall... frustrating.

SamanthaJones Mon 17-Jun-13 20:26:30

Hi Choppingin, I'm doing India and Neris's Idiot Proof Diet.


I'm on phase 1 which they suggest staying on until you're within a stone of your goal. So no fruit at all but lots of fish, veg, (except carby veg) salad. I can have butter, double cream, cheese, nuts, spinach, fish, meat.

No sugar whatsoever.

Where are boot camp rules please?

ZimboMum Mon 17-Jun-13 20:36:29

Just signing in, so I don't lose the thread. Hoping to have a couple of strictish days. Did first run of week three of Couch to 5km. Knackered

BIWI Mon 17-Jun-13 20:39:26

Samantha - there's a link in my OP to the spreadsheet. Look at the tabs at the bottom - the rules (and all manner of other lovely stuff!) are there

SamanthaJones Mon 17-Jun-13 20:40:40

Thanks BIWI, I'll go and have a read smile

SamanthaJones Mon 17-Jun-13 20:43:32

Oh, I'm doing pretty much all of that! Marvellous!

Ruprekt Mon 17-Jun-13 21:07:34

Am back!! smilesmilesmile

Am doing 5:2 low carb....sort of!


B.....cream cheese pancake

L.....water and coffee

D....steak (aberdeen angus reduced from £12 to 48p!!!!!), mashed swede, fried courgettes in butter

Am desperate for cheese now but am resisting it. Drinking peppermint tea now. smilesmile

decaffwithcream Mon 17-Jun-13 21:20:38

Chipping, I reintroduced dairy at a reduced overall level and no cheese, so less creme fraiche, less cream, less yoghurt and no cheese.

I do not enjoy this and seem to be stalling again - for about 10 days. I object to stalling while not eating cheese for a week!

So I will try cutting out yoghurt completely, and cheese and just have cream and try and isolate the culprit that way. I am willing to put some time into experimenting if it means I only have to cut out one dairy product in the end!

I switched to decaf when biwi said caffeine could provoke an insulin response or something similar. Please do not shoot the messenger if you we're not aware of this...grin

prettybird Mon 17-Jun-13 21:29:19

I am in awe of the deals you manage to find Rupekt shock!

Ruprekt Mon 17-Jun-13 22:02:34

Thanks Prettybird. smile

I think it is a skill!!! gringrin

BIWI Mon 17-Jun-13 22:08:12

Today for me:

No breakfast - went for a run
Lunch - cheese omelette
snack - some mixed nuts
Dinner - fresh tuna steak, marinated in olive oil and lime juice, griddled; mixed salad leaves with garlic vinaigrette; asparagus with butter. Served with harissa mayonnaise

prettybird Mon 17-Jun-13 22:15:03

Had a lovely meal tonight of chicken breasts stuffed with pâté and garlic cheese wrapped in Parma ham, served with roasted cauliflower florets drizzled in olive oil plus cumin and coriander, plus roasted asparagus spears and two glasses of red wine

Then had a yummy bowl of strawberries and cream - no sugar of course! grin. Ds had 4 refills! shock

StuntNun Mon 17-Jun-13 22:30:47

Thanks BIWI, I started straight into Bootcamp light because I'm breastfeeding. The beetroot was unintentional (Tesco grocery order substitution) but a very small quantity so I'm not too concerned. The cashews were the one thing I didn't manage to use up before going LC so maybe I'll get DS1 to finish those up so I won't be tempted.

I didn't realise fruit was quite so carby, I'll tell DH where he's going wrong. I have read Escape the Diet Trap so I knew fruit was to be limited but I couldn't explain why not convincingly enough for DH. Also he had two glasses of red wine this evening. I hope he doesn't end up putting on weight! He doesn't have any way to keep things cool at work so he won't let me make him, e.g. trout salad for his lunch. And when I suggested cheese salad he said he'd never heard of such a thing and didn't believe you could have cheese salad!

ChippingInWiredOnCoffee Mon 17-Jun-13 22:32:22

That's good Sam smile

Rup did you see my post to you on another thread? I didn't realised you lived in Berks - how did I not know that?! Let me know if you fancy a low carb lunch sometime!! smile you can take me food shopping as well

decaff - Oh yes, I think I may have read that ages ago. I just refuse to believe it's true grin Seriously though, I thought that had been proven not to be correct. Briffa or one of the others??

I have tried eliminating things - one at a time, all of them then reintroducing etc but I just can't find a pattern to weight stall/weight loss... <sigh> I wish there was some way to test it.

Is there anyway to test your own insulin levels?

ChippingInWiredOnCoffee Mon 17-Jun-13 22:35:50


Didn't believe you could have a cheese salad

PMSL - did he really say that?

You have got your work cut out grin

Ruprekt Mon 17-Jun-13 23:12:48

Ooh Chipping! Yes, let's do lunch! Whereabouts are you? smile

CrabbyBigBottom Mon 17-Jun-13 23:32:48

Stuntnun I was writing a recipe for slow roasted pork belly tonight, but that's for a slab of it rather than slices. I think you could still slow roast it though, it just wouldn't take as long. How thick are they, and are you at home during the day to put them in the oven?

Food yesterday:
B - yogurt, berries, flaxseed, cream
L - mozzarella, tomatoes, pesto, parma ham
D - slow roasted pork belly, fennel, celeriac mash and roasted broccoli
Half a bottle of red and a small glass of port again. blush Loads of water.

B - yoghurt etc
L - puttanesca sauce with courgette pappardelle
D - cauliflower cheese
P - more yoghurt etc
S - red leicester cheese with some little tomatoes
Loads of water, 2 teas

Every time I started feeling bleurgh today, I made myself eat something. I felt better.

tigerchair Mon 17-Jun-13 23:39:36

Hi everyone, hope you all had a good day smile

I'm back in the zone, thankfully!!!!

B - green tea, wasn't really hungry.., prob too full of Quavers from night before

L - slices of ham,cheese, salad

D - salmon, broccoli/cauliflower cheese

See you all tomorrow smile

Waaaaaaaahhhhhhhh FFS - pull me back up

Onto that wagon!!!

Look I can't even bloody type properly due to all the carbiness grrrrr.

CrabbyBigBottom Tue 18-Jun-13 00:43:43

<<Reaches down and grasps MrsHP firmly, hauls her back onto wagon with a thump>>

Up you come now, back into the low carb bosom of your Bootcamp family. grin

New day new start tomorrow. wink

StuntNun Tue 18-Jun-13 04:18:12

The pork belly slices look lush, like spare ribs with crackling. I'm going to follow Nigel Slater's suggestion to flavour them with five spice.

I am back - thanks Crabby! Damage is 4 lbs on, reckon I can dispose of most of that within 48 hours with some serious water chugging...

maidofmuss Tue 18-Jun-13 07:34:03

Welcome back Mrs HP! I will join you with water chugging. Don't think I drink anywhere near enough water...

AngieAir Tue 18-Jun-13 08:00:55

Phew 1lb off overnight, hoping the rest will disappear over the course of the week. Feeling resentful towards circumstances that led to this gain.

I wish I could go on a low carb bootcamp retreat for a week or two. Lots of delicious low carb food, daily exercise, no stress, lots of reading and sleep. I'm sure the weight would drop off.

couch25cakes Tue 18-Jun-13 08:29:22

Morning all.
I've had a quick read of the dairy debate. I don't think I could cut dairy, it would start to feel like a diet to me. But I have reduced the milk in my tea and coffee, so just have cream in coffee at home and black tea at work. Haven't the time to drink much tea and coffee at work with all this water grin.

Yesterday was a good day that saw a 1lb drop this morning as my reward smile
B - 1 egg and bacon, fried of course grin
L - feta and salad
D - spanish chicken from the recipe thread, with cream added to te sauce to make it nicer, with fired courgette strips

This morning I've had scrambled eggs and a little greek yoghurt with a mashed strawberry stirred in. I have leftover chicken and a salad for lunch and tonight I'm doing some sort of chinese pork lettue wrap.

Have a good day losers.

BIWI Tue 18-Jun-13 08:30:14

It would be brilliant to run an actual Bootcamp, wouldn't it?! Sadly I think the cost would be prohibitive.

Although maybe I should try and work something out ...

BIWI Tue 18-Jun-13 08:35:28

StuntNun - have you read Bootcamp rules? More importantly, has your DH?!

If you follow the rules then you will be fine. It's obviously better that you both have a bit of an idea about the science behind low carbing, but the rules will work for you.

And what on earth does your DH think will happen if he eats a cheese salad?! grin

Make sure that you are both eating plenty of fat. It looks - from what you have posted about your menus - that there is not enough in your diet, and certainly not enough in your DH's.

Negroni Tue 18-Jun-13 08:42:31

Morning! Much empathy for all those who have fallen off wagon - do climb back on!

Today I feel is going to be a hard and dangerous day. I have woken feeling groggy and hungry for carbs. Yesterday we had chinese takeaway in the house and I was relatively good only eating a satay chicken skewer, satay prawn skewer, crispy duck and pak choi ( and a few silly slurps of diet coke that came free with said takeaway ).

Now I have awoken and feel very tempted by everything I should not be having. While making DD1's packed lunch, breakfast and coffee for myself and DP, I had to seriously hold back and almost snaffled a piece of heavily iced birthday cake, a chocolate biscuit, a few prawn crackers. I escaped with only a small chunk of brie (ignoring all potential bad-ness of cheese). Now locked in office upstairs with coffee and cream and trying to re-programme body/ brain/ anything.

Argh! And only a couple of days ago I was so proud that this WOE meant I no longer craved carbs. How the mighty have fallen!

BIWI Tue 18-Jun-13 08:51:17

But it's a really useful lesson, isn't it? The power that carbs have over us.

maidofmuss Tue 18-Jun-13 09:00:40

Oh Negroni - I often feel that could be me – one small piece of bread or some sugary cake and I'll plunge back into carbdom. That's probably what's kept me reasonably on the straight on narrow (excepting wine, nuts, straw/yog combo as my treats). Can you distract yourself with work then plan your favourite low-carb lunch?

maidofmuss Tue 18-Jun-13 09:03:39

OK, am working at home today. Have got a 750ml bottle and plan to drink four today. Am already two down and have wrapped two elastic bands around the base to remind me that I have to drink two more (Idea shamelessly copied from water chat thread I found last night)
Will this counteract my caffeine intake? Haven't bee able to give up my morning coffee(s)...

maidofmuss Tue 18-Jun-13 09:04:09


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Negroni Tue 18-Jun-13 09:10:21

Good idea with the water maid I definitely need to drink more, especially as I cannot give up caffeine.

I knew that carbs had a terrible hold over me but recently just felt that my brain had been programmed to just ignore them. Have not had any bread since April so usually just do not even notice these forbidden items in fridge. Suddenly today after no cheating as such I feel that they are calling to me, which usually only happens once I have begun to eat them.

I think I had better just stay in my study all day smile

tigerchair Tue 18-Jun-13 09:14:36

Hi all smile

Mrs HP, hope you're still on the wagon!! It's a nightmare isn't it when the carb cravings hit, it's almost addictive once I cave in....just one more biscuit, packet crisps etc and on it continues as they just leave me wanting even more waaaahhh!

I'm a pound down this morning so thankfully no long term effects from crisps overdose at weekend, woohoo smile

B - green tea, boiled eggs mashed with butter

L- Chicken, avocado and bacon

D - fish and buttered veg

Lots of water and herbal tea. Ice for my sore leg and hopefully I'll be out running again soon, really missing it.

BIWI and Angie, a residential low carb bootcamp/retreat would be brill smile

Yes an actual bootcamp to include cookery lessons from the creative ones here!

BIWI Tue 18-Jun-13 09:29:22


Good luck with the cravings Negroni. You've beaten them once, you can beat them again? The extremely addictive nature of these carbs has me slightly worried about what happens next... eg if we're trying to maintain weight and add a few carbs back in. Feels like "a few carbs" is a bit tricky!

Still I don't know why I'm worrying about that yet, long way to go til that's a problem. But I can definitely tell I've lost more back fat, looking this morning. Hooray!

I survived another fast day yesterday - ate some leftover aubergine parmigiana at around 4 pm, with a pile of lettuce leaves, and that was it for the day (apart from copious amounts of black unsweetened coffee). I'm going to hold off eating for as long as possible today (hence extending the 'fast'), but am planning a BAB (or maybe that should be a BALunch) of fried eggs, grilled streaky bacon, a grilled tomato, fried mushrooms, and black and white pudding (as I'm close to goal I've introduced 4 slightly carbier foods - black pudding, white pudding, peas and carrots). Tonight it'll be a made-from-scratch chicken curry with lettuce in place of rice.

Today is Day 317 for me, so am a bit more relaxed about food in general than I was at the beginning of low carbing. I tend to only eat 2 meals a day, because that's all I seem to want, and rarely feel like snacking. I'm trying to transition to a way of eating I can maintain for life, hence the fact I've chosen to reintroduce some foods with a higher carb content. Only saying this 'cos I don't want anyone at the beginning of their low carb journey to think that this is the way to eat during the weight loss phase smile

I'm doing the 5:2 for two reasons - to shift the last 10 lbs between me and goal, and for the health benefits of intermittent fasting. Not having scales (and I fully intend to buy some soon), I can't tell whether it's working - but I'll know next Monday!

BIWI Tue 18-Jun-13 09:41:57

If I'm dying to know your weight, FurryDogMother you must be beside yourself with anticipation!

It's a cross between anticipation and terror - what if I've not lost anything? Eek. Clothes seem to be looser, so I'm keeping things crossed smile

BlackAffronted Tue 18-Jun-13 10:05:59

Menu yesterday -

B - cheese ommllette
L - steak, mushrooms, salad
D - chicken coconut & spinach curry
S - a few peanuts, square of dark choc.

and .... I am 5lbs down! Just 7 more to get me back to my original bootcamp loss of 2 stone 2 smile

Negroni Tue 18-Jun-13 10:18:04

Thanks for the encouragement Lily I am staying in my office avoiding carbs (and also avoiding grizzly tempered DD2 who is being looked after by DP, also downstairs).

Go Black ! It is coming off!

Wow Furrydog - day 317 puts my no-bread-since-April claims into perspective. Amazing. Tries not to fantasise about black and white pudding Seriously though, how are you finding combining fasting and low carb? I tried a couple of weeks of fasting before low carbing but found that I got into a mentality where I was really good on fast days and then saved up all bad and carby foods for non fast days turning the whole thing into a fast/binge routine. I just could not cope with having carbs some days and not others but I thought that combining low carb and fasting would just be too hard straight off!

StuntNun Tue 18-Jun-13 10:21:38

Thanks for the feedback BIWI. I think I'm okay so far, the cashews and beetroot were tiny amounts and it was only my first day so I'm not too worried about that slip up. I had full fat yogurt, mayo, loads of butter and the skin of half a chicken (plus the meat obviously - all brown) so I think I'm okay for fat. DH took a chicken quarter for his lunch today so that's a bit better. I just need to talk him into switching his boiled eggs for eggs mashed with butter. I have put Escape the Diet Trap on his Kindle, hopefully once he reads it it'll make more sense than my garbled explanations!

Went for a rather muggy run. How many carbs in about a bazillion tiny flies do you think? <boak>

Welcome stuntnun - it will really help your h to understand why he needs to be making these food choices. Hope today goes well

Sending fortitude to everyone hauling themselves back on the wagon. You've done it before and you can do it again!

BIWI Tue 18-Jun-13 10:38:17

That's good, StuntNun - but just remember that chicken is a relatively low fat meat.

grin Willie. I realised I was making progress with the running when I was able to run for longer distances with my mouth shut, hence cutting down on midge/fly intake!

daisychicken Tue 18-Jun-13 10:40:19

Black - do you have a recipe for your chicken coconut and spinach curry? Sounds yum!

Food shopped today & got avocado and celery - cream cheese or pb & celery - yum! Not sure what to do with the avocado yet though... stocked up on eggs as well so more quiche/frittata plus boiled eggs with butter 'slurrpp' smile lidl also had cooked chickens for £3.99 so that'll make a few lunches.

B: piece cheese & 5 brazil nuts
L: quiche & salad or chicken & salad with mayo
D: whatever I don't have for lunch (family having baked pots)

Loutwenty Tue 18-Jun-13 11:03:18


I know I am a latecomer, but I have been lurking!

Today is my fourth week of low carbing. I have done it by the book, although, I have no dairy at all (apart from butter) as I don't tolerate it.

I lost 10lbs in the first two weeks, but only 1lb since? I haven't cheated at all. I only drink water and I am below 20g of cabs day.

typical menu is

B - 2 eggs and 1 slice of bacon OR a bowl of beef mince (small bowl out of a batch of 800g mince made with 1 beef stock cube, 1/2 a tube of >0.5g per 100g tomatoe paste, a few splashes of worcester sauce and a slodge of garlic, cooked in lots of butter, I split this into 7 portions).

L - tuna mayo or egg mayo with dark green salad and cucumber with olive oil

D - Home made burgers (as the mince recipe, but with added chilli flakes, paprika and cumin), roast chicken or pork belly, all with either salad/spinach/brocoli

I drink about 5 litres of water a day.

I have stuck to this 100 percent, and I am getting hacked off. When I did the cambridge diet, I lost so much more (and keot it off). I have an operation coming uo, but I need to lose at least a stone quite fast in order to have it. I am considering going back to a liquid VLCD.

Loutwenty Tue 18-Jun-13 11:05:07

....and everything is cooked in butter etc. Am I going wrong anywhere?

welcome loutwenty!

your menu looks great, and well done on your loss so far. it looks to me like you're in that tricky weeks 3-5 stage, where weight loss can slow or stop for a while read biwi's OP on this thread

keep the faith - weight loss is not linear, and for longterm loss it's best that it's not too fast. you're doing brilliantly!

BIWI Tue 18-Jun-13 11:13:30

Loutwenty - welcome!

What you are experiencing is the phenomenon that is known as the week 3, 4 (and sometime 5) 'stop'!

It's very, very common indeed.

You are doing nothing wrong at all - in fact your meals look great.

You have to focus on the fact that you have lost a good deal of weight in only 4 weeks. What happens in the first couple of weeks of a low carb diet is that you are losing water weight (as with any other diet), and then you are using up your glycogen stores - which doesn't happen on a diet that isn't about low carbing. This can account for as much as 7lbs, apparently, which is the the initial loss on a low carb diet is so much greater than other diets. After this, though, there is a period where it would appear that your body is continuing the shift from carb-burning to fat-burning.

Chances are the scales will start moving again for you next week.

Don't change what you're doing! You are very nearly at the stone mark already!

(By the way, do you do any exercise? If not, maybe you could start doing some now, which will help a little. If you are, could you ramp it up for the next couple of weeks?)

BlackAffronted Tue 18-Jun-13 11:17:56

Daisy, this is the recipe I used chicken curry, and added spinach and coconut cream as per her varaintion suggestions. Was very tasty!

Loutwenty Tue 18-Jun-13 11:19:09

Thanks! I am just so hacked off that I have stuck to this religiously for 4 weeks, not a single cheat. I actually enjoy the diet, but I need to have my op. I am 12 stone now, and I need to be 11 or under to have it really. I don't have the time to only lose a 1lb per week at the mo, which is why I am considering switching to a v low cal liquid diet.

I don't exercise properly, but I don't have a car and can't afford the bus so walk everywhere! My ds school is a 2.5 mile round trip, so just by doing that twice a day, I clock up the miles. I walk pretty fast as well.

daisychicken Tue 18-Jun-13 11:21:33

Thanks Black - sounds yum! I'll be buying spinach at the next shop & I know the rest of the family will love this as well!

Negroni Tue 18-Jun-13 11:22:28

Welcome Loutwenty ! Sounds like you are doing v well and body just getting used to this way of eating before next loss. Your meals sound v good indeed.

daisy I tend to have avocados quite often. They suit my style of cooking - ie not cooking, just assembling ingredients on a plate!
Usually just half them and drizzle with olive oil, salt and pepper and eat out of skin with teaspoon. Or I slice half an avocado and add to a salad - think they go v well with cherry tomatoes, mozzarella, spinach leaves, olive oil dressing.

BlackAffronted Tue 18-Jun-13 11:32:16

I like to add prawn cocktail to my avocados - yum!

BIWI Tue 18-Jun-13 11:44:32

Loutwenty - when is your op supposed to be?

Loutwenty Tue 18-Jun-13 11:59:48

I need to have it before August. It's private, so I can be more flexable with dates, but i need it before Aug for health reasons.

Loutwenty Tue 18-Jun-13 12:01:15

It's my own fault, I gained 3 stone in 2 months (!) eating through depression. I lost a baby in early April and it floored me, I just sat and ate all day.

Negroni Tue 18-Jun-13 12:08:12

flowers Lou - so very sorry to hear that.

Loutwenty I'm so sorry for your loss, how awful for you.

I can confirm the 3-4 week "slow-down" but now I have visible loss again (I've done 6 weeks so far.) I feel sure that the weight will start to melt off you again pretty soon, especially if you are nearly at week 5 and as you haven't cheated at all.

TheChocolateTeapot Tue 18-Jun-13 12:13:50

thanks - so sorry to hear that. Please be very, very kind to yourself.

Loutwenty Tue 18-Jun-13 12:17:28

Thank you. I am ok now, still the odd burst of tears from nowhere, but I am getting there. The diet helps, I have something to focus on, and as I cant ttc again until after my op, that's why I am getting so frustrated. I could have the op next week if I wanted (if I were a lower weight).

maidofmuss Tue 18-Jun-13 12:22:49

So sorry Lou flowers
Not sure what to advise re rapid weight loss by August...

Loutwenty Tue 18-Jun-13 12:28:34

I could kick myself really. I need the op sooner rather than later, and the surgeon who is doing it is fully booked or not available late aug until november! It's something I have been seeing him about for a few years and I trust him.

That's why I am thinking shakes.....I love low carb and I will be changing my lifestyle for good and carry on, but I am torn now. I know a VLCD isn't healthy, but I was thinking that on 500 cals a day, I can't fail to lose.

BIWI Tue 18-Jun-13 12:52:53

Why not give it another week before you make such a drastic switch? You haven't really been doing low carb for that long, and it is important to give your body chance to properly transition into fat-burning.

The other thing that you could consider, which would work well with low carbing, would be intermittent fasting, or 5:2 fasting. The low carbing will help you because you will have your appetite more under control and will be able to go for longer without food.

I usually do a form of intermittent fasting now, which essentially means that I no longer eat breakfast. I do if I'm hungry, but quite often I can get till lunchtime without eating - the overall benefit being a reduction in daily calories consumed, but because the rest of my meals are high fat/low carb, I'm still eating the right proportions of nutrients.

And flowers for your loss - you need to be kind to yourself. Which also means not putting yourself under unnecessary pressure re weight loss!

Loutwenty Tue 18-Jun-13 12:56:36

BIWI, that's a good Idea. I am rarely hungry now. I have to leave it until Sunday anyway before considering starting shakes, as PIL are down on sat and they are obsessed with an Indian restaurant near us. If I do a diet, I do it to the letter, and I can't sit there and have a shake, although I can pick at a tandoori mixed grill or some spiced lamb if I am low carbing.

tigerchair Tue 18-Jun-13 14:06:55

Hi Lou, am also so sorry for your loss x

Welcome aboard and well done so far with your weight loss. I've only recently joined the thread too and I am so grateful for everyone's help and support with this eating style. Have you measured yourself as you may still be losing inches rather than lbs at present? This might reassure you that things are still going in the right direction until you see another drop in lbs on the scales.

Daisy, I whizz up avocado, fresh coriander, tomato and chillies to make guacamole dip for celery, cucumber etc or to have as topping on homemade burger with melted cheese, yum smile

daisychicken Tue 18-Jun-13 14:16:25

{{{{unmumsnetty hugs}}}} Lou - I agree with BIWI, when I lowcarbed (before I fell off the wagon), I could go 3-4 weeks between dropping weight - very disheartening but the weight was coming off. Are you losing inches/ noticed any differnce in fitting of clothes?

Prawn cocktail and avocado or guacamole dip sounds yum.... prawns and coriander on shopping list.......

Before I forget.... I looked at the peanuts in Lidl... the 'new' cheap simple range of salted nuts (48p) were very high carb whereas the branded but expensive range was much lower.. I wonder if that's where my problem was (I had middle of the range last time & no values on the packet)... it's worth double checking every time x

StuntNun Tue 18-Jun-13 14:24:33

Quick question, are sardines okay for a snack? I had a tin of them in brine before lunch but maybe I should try and get ones in olive oil.

Loutwenty Tue 18-Jun-13 14:26:50

I did initially go from a 16 to a 14 - but the 14 are still quite snug, the same as when I bought them 10 days ago.

I am going to give this until sunday anyway, due to PIL visit.

Daisy - when you lost weight again, was it a bigger amount, or just a lb or two?

I have been scrutinising my diet, i add paprika to the burgers, quite a lot (about 6 tablespoons to 800g of mince), but that would be max 20g of carbs split between 8 burgers, so I am not going over 20g a day on the days I have one.

stuntnun, they should be absolutely fine, but if you're worried it should show the carb values on the tin (tesco own brand says only trace carbs per 100g)

loutwenty i'm sorry to hear about your loss, not surprised that's thrown you. i think that another 14lb by august (ish) could possibly be doable, but with all these things YMMV (your mileage may vary).

Loutwenty so very sorry for your loss. I think there's a few of us combining some kind of intermittent fasting with low carbing - BIWI is right, the appetite reduction consequent to low carbing is a big help when trying to 'fast'.

Negroni - After the first week I'm finding 5:2 quite easy (the first week was a bit white knuckle!) - as I mentioned, I normally only eat two meals a day (big breakfast, average sized dinner), so it's not really that much of a push to go to one meal of 500 cals or less on the 'fast' days. I just hold out for as long as possible on the fast day - yesterday I ate my meal at 4 pm - then that holds me until I go to bed. The following day I try to eat a late breakfast (today it was at 12), and then have dinner as normal in the evening. I do Mondays and Thursdays, so it doesn't interfere with the weekend. The other days I stick to low carbing, as before - it's become a way of life now and I only ever deviate if I'm going out for something really special - so maybe once every 2 months or so. My deviations aren't too bad - something like 2 small slices of French bread with my starter and/or a creme brulee for dessert is about as extreme as it gets, and I can handle that once in 8 weeks. Think I've done it 3 times since I started this (oh, and then there was the drunken evening at home when a bacon sarnie somehow leapt into my mouth, and the jam and clotted cream on toast incident - but we'll draw a veil over those!).

I'm no saint, but I really do appreciate the smaller appetite and sense of control that low carbing gives me (too much vodka will negate this, I can report!).

daisychicken Tue 18-Jun-13 14:44:36

Lou - sometimes I would loose 3-4lbs in one go, others it was just 1lb... I'd plateau for 3-4weeks then drop, then plateau and so on.. I had to keep at 20g or less to keep this loss going. It took me 18mths to go from 11stone to 8st2/8st4... from talking to various low carbers, it seems the closer you are to your goal weight, the slower it comes off (sadly).

prettybird Tue 18-Jun-13 15:17:15

Loutwenty - I had two MMCs after having ds (so he ended up an only child sad) so I feel for you and understand how it would have floored you and absolutely understand why you went through a period of comfort eating (not that anything actually does comfort you).

To give you a bit of positive moitvation, I lost over 2 stone in the New Year Boot Camp - yet I too had the Week 3 "Stall".

After that, I managed to lose a steady average of 2lb per week, and ended up going from 13stone 2lb on 7 January to 11stone 1lb by the end of the 10 weeks.

Apart from following the rules (and after the initial Boot Camp, I did partake of wine, berries, nuts and the odd square of dark chocolate mostly at weekends), the other thing I noticed really helped was getting plenty of sleep . I believe that this is also mentioned in Briffa's book but I've never read it

Every time I've stalled, I've noticed that it has more of a correlation with how much sleep I've been getting than how much I have been going "off piste". hmm

StuntNun Tue 18-Jun-13 15:32:43

Don't tell me that Prettybird, I have a seven-month-old baby with reflux - sleep is completely up the left!

Loutwenty in your position I would probably go with the liquid diet to rapidly drop the weight you need to lose then come back to lc to maintain or lose more weight. If you've done it before then you'll know what you're letting yourself in for so if you can cope with it then it will get you to shed weight fast. I MCd in December 2011, seems like such a long time ago now, but I found closure very important and it sounds like this op would give you that closure.

prettybird Tue 18-Jun-13 15:39:39

grin Stuntnun : not only is my ds now 12, even when he was a baby, he slept through (I had to wake him up to breast deed him shockshock) so I've never had to suffer sleepless nights that are caused by a baby!

I do however lack self-discipline and have a bad habit of watching TV far too late which drives dh, who is an "early-to-bed-early-to-riser", up the wall blush

NewStartNewStory Tue 18-Jun-13 17:06:46

prettybird it is possible to go off some people. envy

My heading towards being 10 faster then i would like cos then i would have to accept the possibility i might be getting old still doesn't sleep through the night unless he takes his sleep meds.

NewStartNewStory Tue 18-Jun-13 17:07:11

*ds that is.

BlackAffronted Tue 18-Jun-13 17:17:56

Just waiting for dinner to cook ... mushroom stuffed prok rolls in a cream sauce with roasted cabbage with fennel seeds. It smells delicious!

Tried oil pulling today. Was weird, will see if it makes any difference to my teeth (sensitive and could do with brightening up!). Anyone tried it?

BlackAffronted Tue 18-Jun-13 17:18:26

pork rolls, obviously!

StuntNun Tue 18-Jun-13 17:28:42

I have to get some of these recipes, pork rolls sound delicious.

Today I had...
B: Greek yoghurt with a few strawberries, portobello mushroom sauteed in butter
S: three tinned sardines blush
L: grated cheese in mayo with leaves and beetroot (salad 4.1g carbs per 100g so not too disastrous)
D: salmon baked in butter flavoured with lemon peel and coriander, buttered green beans and pak choi fried in butter
Emergency midnight snack: olives

BIWI Tue 18-Jun-13 17:41:52

Why the blush about the sardines, StuntNun? They are perfect low carb food!

BlackAffronted Tue 18-Jun-13 17:43:00
daisychicken Tue 18-Jun-13 17:43:37

are the tinned sardines in tomato sauce ok? what would you eat them with? I just recall eating them grilled on toast (yum)....

BIWI Tue 18-Jun-13 17:47:33

The ones in tomato sauce will be more carby - although they are still very low in carbs. John West sardines in oil are only a trace of carbs per 100g, whereas the ones in tomato sauce are 1.5g carbs per 100g.

StuntNun Tue 18-Jun-13 18:25:13

Oh sardines are good?! I was worried they didn't have enough fat in them.

herecomesthsun Tue 18-Jun-13 18:59:42

What about trying to take over a youth hostel? (Possibly with families?) Then we could plan to cook and eat our own low carb feasts and go for healthy walks/ zumba sessions/ spas etc locally. (I live in the New Forest for example, there is a hostel in the next village, possible local activities include horse riding, cycling, sailing, hiking and there are several swanky hotels with their own spa)

herecomesthsun Tue 18-Jun-13 19:00:41
BIWI Tue 18-Jun-13 19:04:24

Well, they were canned in oil were they not? And they are an oily fish too.

Hello, hello!

Welcome LouTwenty sorry to hear your news, I don't know your full situation, but I had a mc 18 months ago and it sent my eating/ability to burst into tears at random moments all over the place - big hugs. Well done for doing so well so far. Stick with it - like the others say it is likely to come off again very soon.

I have managed to stay on the wagon thanks to you lot - didn't want to post and let you down!!!!

L (well Brunch really) - salad comprised of lettuce, cucumber, tomato, chorizo, mozzerella, chicken, roasted vegetables
D - BBQ lamb, chicken, asparagus, served with more salad and mayo
S - mini-pepperami, babybel and two coffees

Water - lots so far and more to come as I write reports... joy of joys.

herecomesthsun Tue 18-Jun-13 19:59:18

LouTwenty, also very sorry for your loss, having had a small number of miscarriages before I had my 2 children. It is a remarkable and very sad pain and I remember that it was almost like having a hole inside of me (and how tempting it was to try to fill the hole with food/ chocolate). It is a shame that you are under so much pressure as well to lose weight to a time frame, it all sounds very tough on you. I hope it all works out the way you want it in the end.

Negroni Tue 18-Jun-13 20:26:52

Black - I have just Googled oil pulling as had never heard of it! Do you just do it or does someone help you. I think Wikipedia mentions 15-20mins of oil in the mouth - how is this even possible?!

Went out today to buy dress for do at the weekend. I really wanted something with at least some kind of sleeve which cut out about 75% of the options - honestly I know it is supposed to be summer but do all other British women want to be sleeve-less? I do not as my upper arms are not lovely and didn't also want to buy a jacket as well. Anyway, I found something very reasonably priced and then went and spent £££ on new bras - as thankfully there has been some shrinkage post b/feeding and having lost weight. Reasoned that bargainous dress can only benefit from new and correctly sized undergarments.

daisychicken Tue 18-Jun-13 20:51:49

Fibro low-carbers... have you tried not eating any of the nightshade veg ( tomatoes, peppers (sweet & hot), aubergine....)? Just wondering if any of you have noticed any improvement in your Fibro? I can't imagine not eating tomatoes or peppers... would be difficult... I use them all the time in sauces....,,

Negroni I think it must be because its so much cheaper for the shops to make sleeveless dresses. They don't care about us!

B - greek yoghurt, avocado, cucumber. (Odd-breakfasts-are-us)
L - broccoli and stilton soup
D - tuna mayo salad

Hooray for staying on the wagon MrsHP ! That's what we want to hear.

decaffwithcream Tue 18-Jun-13 21:24:59

I cheated for the first time today although I know exactly by how much - 50g of carbs - this was chocolate so unfortunately sugar.

I am hoping that seeing as my breaking - the - stall techniques have not worked, reverse psychology may work on the ketones?

Has anyone employed a similar experimental technique with any success?

Ruprekt Tue 18-Jun-13 22:25:09

Good day! smile

B .....sausages, mashed swede and fried courgettes

L.....2 poached eggs with coleslaw

S...sliced cheese

D.....chilli without beans or rice and half an avocado

Water, pork scratchings smilesmile

BIWI Tue 18-Jun-13 22:26:26

decaff - there is a theory, apparently, that upping carbs can help. I'm never sure about it. But there's one way to find out! grin

ToomuchIsBackOnBootcamp Tue 18-Jun-13 22:26:39

Evening all, and very sorry for your loss loutwenty I hope you stick with low carbing/fasting as I would think this would be better for your mental and physical health than a VLCD. However I see the pressure you are under, so I can understand if you go,for short term quick loss. You will always be welcome here for support whatever!

B 2 eggs scrambled with butter and a swoosh of double cream
L (out) chilli with salad (I asked if the rice on the menu could swopped for salad or veg and got a lovely green salad with cucumber, tomatoes, and a nice mayo dressing)
D two small salmon fillets with mozzarella melted on top, salad, a few peas (force fed by Ds, I can resist everything except my child)
S strawberries and cream

The strawberries are a real seasonal treat. I live in a fairly rural village and there is a farm a few miles down the road where they literally pick the best berries each morning from their little tents and then sell them from a wee barrow right next to the field. They. Are. Divine. Late this year because of the crappy cold spring weather but now absolutely delicious. What a difference compared to forced fruit that has been chilled, in lorries then sat in a supermarket warehouse for days. I have been known to buy two punnets cos the first one is finished before Ds and I make it home .......

impressive breakfast Ruprekt

Hi all. Have to confess to falling off wagon big time last night. Red wine. Biscuits. Crisps. Cream crackers. shock


The stupid thing is that I did it because I was fed up that my scales weren't working and that I would have to get new ones which might weigh differently! So talk about self sabotage! I'm such an idiot.

Anyway. I was good today. Back on that wagon. And I bought new scales. Weight Watchers heavy duty ones! Will see how tomorrow mornings weigh in goes. Had a sneaky try just now and very pleased!

Food today
B - Greek yoghurt, flaxseeds, strawberries and cream
Went for coffee with a friend and then went shopping and did what I never ever ever thought I would do. I forgot to have lunch!!!!!
Got home around 3 and had some egg mayo
D - shepherds pie from recipe thread. I had some peas with it which is not great I know
S - cheese

While making the shepherds pie I decided I had too much leeks and celery fried to add to the pie so used some to make a frittata so will have that tomorrow for breakfast.

Welcome Loutwenty. I hope the scales start to move for you.

Biwi - a residential boot camp sounds great!

CrabbyBigBottom Tue 18-Jun-13 23:25:24

Evening all. Welcome Loutwenty and I'm sorry to hear of your loss.

B - smoked salcon in creme fraiche. Just found out it's got sugar in. angry
L - pork belly with salad leaves
D - pork belly, mushrooms, broccoli, fennel
P - greek yoghurt with berries, cream and flaxseed
Had a third of a bottle of prosecco to commiserate with a friend over her not getting the job she wanted.

CrabbyBigBottom Tue 18-Jun-13 23:25:45

Salmon not salcon, obviously.

Negroni Tue 18-Jun-13 23:36:29

Decaff - if you discover that a bar of chocolate is the route to weight loss, please don't tell me. I will be tucking into a giant toblerones every time my weight loss stalls!

Negroni Tue 18-Jun-13 23:43:58

Lily - you are right! The shops are just making micro dresses with no sleeves because it is cheap and easy. They have no interest in non-slim upper arms. Anyway I got my dress in M&S blush ,but am only admitting it on this thread in the company of other M&S shoppers.

ChippingInWiredOnCoffee Wed 19-Jun-13 00:30:07

Rup can you PM me. I can't do them at the minute. MN is looking into why ... or they were, I think they might have forgotten about me <sob>

MrsHP - come on matey!!! Back up on this here wagon. You know it makes sense!

BIWI - I don't know that it would need to be that expensive - all we need is a house surely? (on a beach with spa treatments available of course!).

ChippingInWiredOnCoffee Wed 19-Jun-13 00:41:28

Lou I'm really sorry to hear about your baby sad Hang in there past the 'stall' - it's a bastard while it's happening (I stalled for 21 days) but once you get past it, it feels worth it. I tend to change weight like this - 2 lbs every 3/7/10/21/4/10 days - it's like a 55 day cycle?! Very odd, but getting almost predictable. Insulin is, after all, a hormone.

Cider - that sound lovely awful. Stay on our wagon!!

Toomuch they sound lovely!!

PrettyBird - I think that sleep is crucial too - but like you, stay up too late and I'm a terrible sleeper. When I first started low carbing I started sleeping much better and assumed hoped that would be the case as long as I low carbed - sadly it's not. Sodding birds are waking me at between 4 & half past and I'm not sleeping after that.

Black - would you come and cook vegetarian <no egg> meals for me - pleeeeeeeeeeease!

Crabby - I don't seem to be able to have Prosecco and lose weight - I did better having rum & diet coke. Weird as it shouldn't be the case (I have only had 2 rum & diet cokes since January (both last weekend!) and they were 'light' on the coke grin).

BIWI Wed 19-Jun-13 08:49:06

Chipping I did some experimenting last night and inadvertently created something that would be perfect for you!

I set out to make bacon, shallot and Gruyere tart - the filling (apart from those three ingredients) is egg and cream. But I forgot to include the eggs blush

Obviously you can't eat the bacon, but I reckon that if you added a bit more shallot it would make a lovely cheese and onion tart:

Shallot and Gruyere Tart (A BIWI special!)

serves 6

225g ground almonds
55g butter, diced
1/2 teaspoon salt

for the filling:

25g butter and a splash of oil (this stops the butter burning)
2 cloves of garlic, finely chopped (or use a garlic crusher)
150g shallots, thinly sliced (this will be 3-4 echalion shallots)
dried oregano
100g Gruyere cheese, grated
300ml double cream
salt and freshly ground black pepper

Preheat the oven to 180C/350F/GM4

To make the pastry, mix the almonds, butter and salt until it forms a dough. This is easiest done in a food processor. Keep processing it until it starts to come together into a ball.

Press the dough with your hand/fingers into a 20cm flan tin or dish. Push the pastry up the sides of the tin as well. There is quite a lot of filling, so it's important to get the pastry as far up the sides as you can.

Prick the base of the flan all over and bake in the oven for 20 minutes or until set and golden brown. (It's better if it's cooked longer, as it hardens up a little more - just keep an eye on it and make sure it doesn't burn)

While the dough is cooking, saute the shallots and garlic in the butter and oil, till soft. Season with salt and pepper and about a teaspoon of dried oregano. Leave to cool.

Tip the shallots into the flan case and add the cheese, season with black pepper, then pour over the cream. (It's a good idea to put the flan tin onto a baking tray, as it is likely to be very full, and this makes it easier to get into the oven without spilling anything)

Bake for 25-30 minutes, or until golden brown and just set. Serve warm or cold.

27.35g carbs for the whole lot. If you serve 6 people, this will be 4.6g per person.

1.5lb on this week angry I haven't done anything wrong <wahhh>
I think I must be due on though, because O am seriously sweaty and my belly feels like its full of rocks sad
Lots of water today...

BIWI Wed 19-Jun-13 09:33:31

Drinking enough water? Eating enough fat?

NewStartNewStory Wed 19-Jun-13 10:57:57

two weeks ago i ignored the weight the hospital gave me as it wasn't my scales and it would have meant i have gained Monday the doctor gave me the same weight. I still can't find my scales so am conceeding defeat and admitting that i at some point over the last 3 weeks i have gained 2kg. Guess i really really really need to regain my focus. Cos the doc also did hmm face at the bmi number. blush

New day, new start, lots of water to drink.

I'm drinking 3l of water a day, and a bulletproof coffee every morning - so that's 360 cals of fat before I even eat anything! I'll make an effort to eat more fatty stuff, but I am adding butter/ Mayo/ cream to everything. Might ditch the cream sad

Xenia Wed 19-Jun-13 11:47:36

loutwenty, you will be much healthier and fitter for the operation and indeed to get pregnant again afterwards if you eat real food as on here, not junk chemical filled fake shakes and drinks which are full of a load of old rubbish and damage health.

If you want to lose weight low carbing/paleo all you have to do is eat more fat, loads of very low carb (not high carb) veg, perhaps cut the protein back a bit and if needs be (although it makes a lot of women feel bad) cut a few meals/IF. It might be worth your counting calories for one typical day of food too on a site like sparkpeople or one of the others which analyses the % of fat, carb as well as calories for you to see if you're not losing weight because you are eating too much of one or other food.

Good luck with the weight loss before the operation.

Welcome back on the wagon Cider

Sorry New and bullet about the disappointing news/mystery. I hope it turns around.

I've succumbed to a cheese-munching snack this morning which at least is low-carb, but it is the dreaded might-stall-you-cheese!

Otherwise I'm really pleased at the way my tum and back are so much slimmer, on the way. I wonder when the effects might reach my thighs. Bet I have to wait for the bitter end for that. or (tremble) exercise. I did go to Zumba last night!

ChippingInWiredOnCoffee Wed 19-Jun-13 11:59:49

BIWI that sounds lovely smile Did it go firm like quiche? Without the eggs? If it did - I'm in grin

Bullet I don't normally put on weight when I'm due on, but I do tend to STS for quite a few days, this time I also put on a few lbs. Really odd, but I'm sure it will bugger off again. I do tend to eat more the two days before as well (that's how I knew it would be early this month - damn thing!). But even though I craved carbs this month I didn't give in to any, so I figure eating more low carb food isn't the end of the world & the following two days I don't feel like that much so eat lighter anyway.

I still haven't bought any coconut oil - no one seemed to come up with a brand that didn't have the texture of vaseline - bleurgh... I'm not sold on the idea yet.

What Mayo are you using??

NewStart my BMI has dropped 8 whole numbers since I started in January. Sadly it's still nowhere near the healthy range - but it's going in the right direction! (Not that I care about BMI much anyway as I think it's a shite indicator, but it's yet another number to mess around with grin)

I wish there were more vegetarian low carb options - especially those high in protein.

NewStartNewStory Wed 19-Jun-13 12:15:15

Well done chipping

I have just eaten a salad of lettice, spring onion, celery, a radish and a huge splat of egg mayo cos it needed eaten up. I figured my lack of veg was probably a contributor to the failing to maintain on track. So whilst i was feeling a bit better today i'd make the effort wink

weirdly i am not bored of eggs. Not entirely sure how this is possible though grin

I am using helmans full fat but this is probably not the best one. It's just the one that happens to be in the cupboard.

Loutwenty Wed 19-Jun-13 12:24:28

"you will be much healthier and fitter for the operation and indeed to get pregnant again afterwards if you eat real food as on here, not junk chemical filled fake shakes and drinks which are full of a load of old rubbish and damage health".

I know! Which is why I was struggling over the decision. But, this morning I have decided to go on the shakes. I have done 30 days low carb and I will go back to it, but I need this weight off fast. It might not happen, I might still lose slowly, but I need to feel like I am doing something.

I know it's not healthy and is full of crap, my god, after 30 days of nothing but real food and water passing my lips, I think I could taste every single chemical in it! It was vile, but I can and will stick to it for a month, short term loss for long term gain.

Dh is still doing low carb and probably always will, he's totally changed his lifestyle after doing atkins last year, so it will be very easy for me to go back to, we have had no bread, pasta, rice or anything but green veg and salad in our house for over a year now, so no temptations!

BIWI - tart sounds lovely!

Right. Scales woe. Again.

Weighed last night on new scales and was pleased. Only because I forgot I was trying to get into 13s. It weighed me at 14 11!!! My old scales weighed me at 14 1 at the weekend. This morning I am 14 7 on new scales. Am gutted. It's so frustrating. Was I heavier than I thought at the beginning? Have I not lost as much as I thought? I suspect the the latter is the case. Is it the carbs I had on Monday? Probably also the case. So. No idea now how to calculate what I have actually lost. Aargh!

NewStartNewStory Wed 19-Jun-13 12:48:26

Cider you clearly have no luck with scales shock has no useful advice

BIWI Wed 19-Jun-13 12:48:48

What about your shape, Buda, and the fit of your clothes? It's always a bugger when you have to change scales, or weigh on someone else's - but also a good reminder that actually those numbers aren't reality!

The reality is your changing shape and how your clothes are fitting you.

Chipping I use Hellmans Mayo. I bought some Delouis which I will use in a coleslaw, but I haven't tasted it yet

My food so far today:
B - greek yog, 3 strawberries, 2tbsp flax, bulletproof coffee
Protein hake after training
L - Butteriest 3 egg omelette ever, 2 rashers of streaky bacon, mushrooms fried in butter.
I drank 1.5l water at the gym and 500ml at lunch.

Protein shake obviously, I don't eat fish in the gym. blush

BIWI Wed 19-Jun-13 12:58:59

Chipping - it works fine without the egg. And actually, having eaten a piece for my lunch, it's even better the next day, when it's cold, as it is firmer. The base is firmer as well, and less crumbly - more like real pastry.

A definite winner.

Actually, I think I prefer it without the egg myself!

sammisatt Wed 19-Jun-13 13:10:53

Hi everyone

I've just got back from Italy spending 5 days there for a wedding. I feel off the wagon big time but I was kind of expecting to. The wedding involved an eight course meal including risotto, pasta, cakes, pastries. Everything on the banned list. Then I continued in this vein until I got home yesterday. Pizza, pasta, icecream. I have put on 5 pounds. Probably a lot of it will be water weight but whatever it is, it doesn't feel good! I'm so relieved to be home and back in control of my food again. I have hit the boiled eggs big time. I think I'll have a few strict days. One silver lining is that I don't feel totally despondant about it. I know I'll lose the weight as I know going back to low carbing is so easy. I just feel so relieved to be back on it again, although I'm not looking forward to going back to the gym after a week off.

ChippingInWiredOnCoffee Wed 19-Jun-13 13:12:04

Oh that sounds like a go-er then BIWI!! Thanks for thinking of me!

Lou why have they decided you need to be that specific weight? I know it's not 'ideal' but I'd do what you are doing too - or whatever I thought would work so I could have the op.

NewStart - I don't eat eggs. It really does limit the diet! I have a good couple of handfulls of Rocket leaves & other salad stuff pretty much every day. Current fav dressing is olive oil with a good squeeze of fresh lemon smile I have made egg-free mayo, the first time it was great, the second a disaster - I think it was different olive oils, but it's a bit of a faff. I do sometimes buy them off the shelf, they aren't toooo bad carb wise, but tbh it's a list of chemicals really and I don't really want to be eating that kind of stuff - it's just a shame as it's nicer & easier!

Cider hang in there - it will all be fine.

Bullet what are the carbs per serving and what's in it??

ChippingInWiredOnCoffee Wed 19-Jun-13 13:13:15

Sammi but did you enjoy it?

It sounds lovely smile

BIWI Wed 19-Jun-13 13:14:51

sammi - only 5lbs is pretty good going! You should soon be able to get rid of that

Ingredients and nutrition info smile

Loutwenty Wed 19-Jun-13 13:24:01

Chippingin - it takes my BMI to below 28, which is what the consultant will be happy with in order to carry out the op.

BIWI - I know what you mean about the number on the scales. But although I feel a bit slimmer I haven't gone down in clothes sizes much. Still an 18-20. Def an 18 in some things but still a 20 in others. I wanted to get to under 14 stone (would accept 13 13.5!) and drop a dress size before our holiday. Haven't achieved either of those aims so feeling despondent. Have two weeks to go and will continue on boot camp for the moment but need to re-assess then I think.

Sammi - sounds fab! How did you feel after the carb overload though? Did you feel sluggish and yucky?

loutwenty stay and post though whatever you are doing!

cider different scales give massively different weights - at my parents I am always 5/6 lbs more than here!

Is anybody else giving up dairy? I am going to see if that makes a difference sad I love creeeeeam!
Who wants to do this with me? smile
Just having the last bit of cream in a decaff coffee, avoiding the babybels will be my biggest challenge! We have 3 flavours in the fridge confused

Loutwenty Wed 19-Jun-13 14:24:09

Hi (feel like a fraud posting now I am on shakes for a month, but dh is still a hardcore low carber!).

I can't tolerate dairy at all. I did Atkins last year and found that out. DH also can't have too much, he limits himself to a slice of cheese a day or he stalls for a week.

A week! Yikes (regrets cheese-wolfing earlier)

Cider I can't remember, how much alcohol are you drinking? Could you do a no-alcohol bootcamp for the last two weeks before the holiday, to get the loss you are looking for?

BIWI Wed 19-Jun-13 14:51:23

Buda - find yourself an item of clothing that is currently too tight, and keep trying that on. That's the only really reliable way to see what progress you're making.

Don't be despondent. It will happen for you. But this is a marathon not a sprint, as someone very wise once said. <nods sagely>

Lily - other than wine on Monday and the Monday before I haven't had alcohol. And for me that is huge!!!! I will def not be having any now until the holiday. That was my plan anyway until I derailed myself on Monday night.

Other than a sprinkling of feta cubes on my salad at lunch today I haven't had cheese today. I have had a couple of cups of tea and two coffees with milk. And sugar in the coffee! Drat. Just remembered that. No more dairy for me. Will switch to peppermint tea other than my first cuppa in the morning which I love.

BIWI - I know. But I waaaaannnt to lose weight! I will keep plodding on this marathon. I bought a pair if size 18 trousers in monsoon yesterday that are too tight. Was going to take them back. Maybe I'll keep them and try them on once a week. And the running should help. I did w2r2 this morning.

Thanks for all the encouragement you lot. It really helps. smile

BIWI Wed 19-Jun-13 15:39:04

You really must ditch that sugar, Buda! Along with all the other 'little' things, it is all adding up.

ChippingInWiredOnCoffee Wed 19-Jun-13 17:05:30

Cider sugar in your coffee?? Come on my friend, you can't complain that this WOE isn't working if you are putting milk & sugar in your tea & coffee and drinking wine!! Get thy self up on the wagon and sit in the middle where we can keep an eye on you grin

Bullet I have vastly cut back on cheese to see if it makes any difference, but I'm not giving up my cream in my coffee yet! I have just managed to deal with that instead of having lattes! I'm not sure about the yogurt, Briffa says it can help weight loss - but I just don't know. I have a new (large) pot, once that is gone I think I'll give it a miss again for a while. That certainy isn't worth slowing the weight loss for that's for sure!

Lou don't feel like a fraud. I don't think there are many of us who wouldn't do whatever we thought would work best to get to a weight where we could have surgery we needed... you are low carbing at heart and will be back doing this before we know it! I'm a long way off a BMI of 28, so thank god I'm not under a strict deadline (only one of my own setting).

ChippingInWiredOnCoffee Wed 19-Jun-13 17:06:42

What's the general concensus on caffine? Stalling/assisting/not affecting weight loss?

Please don't tell me I'm going to have to give up my coffee sad

BlackAffronted Wed 19-Jun-13 17:13:06

Negroni - I have only just started the oil pulling, but it isnt as bad as I thought it would be. I managed about 15 minutes, and use coconut oil. Already my teeth are less sensitive! I use 1 teaspoon, let it melt in my mouth then swish about. Spit it in the bin though, as the oil would clog the drains grin

Id love to cook for everyone at a proper Bootcamp!!

Chipping - all coconut oil will be like vaseiline as its melting point is quite high. It would have to have something added to it to keep it liquid. Can you warm it up first before you use it?

Bullet, I really couldnt do this woe without dairy, good luck!

MrsHP, Im back on the wagon now too smile Feeling in the zone again.

Timid, I made my ice cream without the alcohol, its really good!

Lou, wishing you all the best with your journey no matter how you do it smile

Menu today -

B - Eggs in coconut oil, pork slices
L - roast beef salad, mayo
D - lamb chops, courgetti
S - strawberries & cream. How delicious are strawberries just now! Mine havent grown yet sad lots of flowers though, so hoping they will be ready soon.

I like my coffee black so I don't mind not having it in coffee tbh, I am however going to miss my little bowl of whipped cream with chocolate extract -- and a bit of stevia--.
And the cheesy cheesy goodness of CHEEEESE! iI am going to stop eating yogurt and flaxseed too. <sadface> this is starting to feel a bit like a diet.

shock strike out fail! <busted>

middleagedspread Wed 19-Jun-13 17:18:46

I have made those fab pork mince burger things for tonight, not sure who gave the recipe but thank you.

BIWI Wed 19-Jun-13 17:26:01

bullet - why don't you give up the stevia and the flaxseed first? Those are things that other people have said may cause a stall anyway.

BIWI Wed 19-Jun-13 17:27:25

And, I think it would be a good idea if you listed out what you've eaten/drunk over the last 3-4 days - see if we can spot anything else that might help.

We can't have you feeling like you're on a diet! grin

Oh I am definitely giving those up! I have only been having them over the last couple of weeks so I won't miss them too much.
Breakfast has been yog, flax and strawbs for the last 3 days, I had ham salad for lunch yesterday, tartiflette and green salad the day before and omelette, bacon and mushrooms today. Dinner yesterday was Frankie and Bennys Salmon citrus salad, with no citrus or sweet corn and Mayo instead of dressing, the day before I had baked cod with basil butter, cherry toms and broccoli. I have had a bowl of cream with chic extract and stevia each night for about 4/5 days. Snacks have been peperami, babybels and olives. Dinner tonight will be duck leg with roasted red cabbage.
I am going to give up dairy for a while as well as I need to shift some fat quickly - swimwear is imminent!

I know the sugar is bad! I actually don't really drink coffee. No idea why i had sugar this morning! Had a friend over for coffee for first time here and i think i was a bit nervous! Last one was just after boot camp started. I do drink tea though. Very strong with a dash of milk. Only have max 3 a day. Will cut that back too though. Super über camp starting here tomorrow.

B today was half the frittata I made yesterday
L was salad with Parma ham, tomato, avocado, cherry peppers and some feta.
S egg mayo
D shepherds pie from last night.

Drinking seventh glass of water of the day.

Had a lovely hour sitting in the garden reading my book this afternoon.

decaffwithcream Wed 19-Jun-13 18:12:37

Indulging in chocolate turns out to mean that the scales still stay exactly the same. To the quarter pound. I am somewhat pleased I got away with it but still confused as to what is causing this stall. Giving up yoghurt has done nothing so far so may give that a few more days and then go back on it and exclude something else hmm. God I enjoyed that chocolate thoroughly though grin

BIWI Wed 19-Jun-13 18:17:43

bullet - most of your protein is actually relatively lean. How about upping your fat through the meat that you are eating? You may not have to do without dairy altogether, but I think it's definitely worth cutting it out for a few days to see what happens. Why not do ubercamp? It's only for 3 days, but it will help you see if it's making a difference.

And what have you been drinking? And how much water?

decaff - glad that the scales have stayed the same! Have you given up other dairy?

MyBloominMarvellousYoni Wed 19-Jun-13 18:25:48

Quick thread hijack sorry.

MyBloominMarvellousYoni Wed 19-Jun-13 18:30:07

Quick thread hijack sorry.

I am on a low carb diet but I struggle to get the water intake I need.

I am drinking a flavoured water in order to drink enough as I hate normal water.

It has no carbs in but is sweetened with Sucralose. Could this prevent me from loosing weight?

I really hope not but I'm worried about it.

I drink 3l water a day, and a bulletproof coffee in the morning. Very occasionally I have a decaff coffee with cream later in the day. Yesterday I had a diet coke, the first one since I started bootcamp shock I used to drink it every day!

TheChocolateTeapot Wed 19-Jun-13 18:40:53

I am religiously recording all my daily food/drink on My Fitness Pal which has been really good for me. Do any of you have a "carb limit" which you try and keep below. Wondering how few carbs you need to eat to promote weight loss.

StuntNun Wed 19-Jun-13 18:49:06

Second day for me and I have lost three pounds already! Bye bye glycogen. I also felt a bit headachey and tired today but I'm having a mad period so it could just be the blood loss blush

I made a few discoveries today - M&S sell gourmet pork scratchings so I got a packet for emergencies. They also have 97% chipolatas with 0.6g carbohydrate per 100g so I got a couple of packets of those (reduced as well, even better). Then I detoured into Hotel Chocolat and bought some 100% chocolate, 11g carbohydrate per 35g 'serving' but I only are a quarter of a that so I think that's 2.7g of carbohydrate well spent. I can't seem to find celeriac though, is it out of season?

B: proscutio salad with homemade dressing, Greek yoghurt.
S: 10g very dark chocolate.
L: trout baked in butter.
D: pork stir fry made with pak choi, green pepper and bamboo shoots. Is soy sauce okay or should I limit/avoid it?

Ruprekt Wed 19-Jun-13 18:50:25

Good day so far.......

Breakfast & lunch were Chicken salad with coleslaw

Dinner is smoked salmon in cream sauce with courgette tagliatelle.smilesmile

Tomorrow is a fasting day but will start the day with a BAB and see how I go as I have not really tried 5:2 low carb yet.

Drunk lots of water too.

Have pm'd you Chipping. smile

BlackAffronted Wed 19-Jun-13 19:02:01

Stunt, I cant fins celeriac round here just now, I think it is out of season as Lidl & Morrisons had loads in during the January bootcamp! I use soy sauce in my cooking, havent had a problem with it.

BIWI Wed 19-Jun-13 19:21:27

Loads of celeriac in Waitrose yesterday

StuntNun Wed 19-Jun-13 19:46:05

Dammit, no Waitrose in Northern Ireland!

prettybird Wed 19-Jun-13 19:52:59

I've found celeriac in Sainsbury's - or at my local greengrocer's.

BIWI Wed 19-Jun-13 20:04:59

MyBloominMarvellous - artificial sweeteners are a big 'no no' on Bootcamp! have a read of this I don't know what the sweetener in Pepsi Max is, but it's still artificial.

TheChocolateTeapot - everyone has a different level of carbs, above which they will start to gain weight - you have to work out for yourself what that is for you.

StuntNun - it's really not a good idea to include chocolate so early on in your low carbing. The idea is to break your addiction to sweet things!

daisychicken Wed 19-Jun-13 20:06:24

Felt peckish on and off today...

B: piece of quiche
S: yoghurt mixed with some dbl cream
S: stick celery with peanut butter
L: chicken salad with mayo then yog with cream and a few berries
S: peanuts
S: peanuts
D: salad with quiche and 1 1/2 sausages

Water, copious cups of tea with a dash of milk and half a mug of peppermint tea

Hope tomorrow is a less snack ish day!

daisychicken Wed 19-Jun-13 20:08:47

Can't wait till waitrose opens locally (end of year I think) as I lurve celeriac!!!! Used to grow it but can't now sad but its usually in season over the winter months (because it withstands frosts so can be left in ground and eaten when all other crops gone....)

decaffwithcream Wed 19-Jun-13 20:22:13

BIWI I gave up dairy for a week and lost a pound. I couldn't sustain giving up all dairy for longer so my strategy at the moment is to

Eat less dairy overall plus
Eliminate one dairy food at a time completely and see if that's the culprit

This week it's yoghurt that's out.

I still use butter and don't use milk.

Does that sound ok?

SamanthaJones Wed 19-Jun-13 20:25:54

Hello everyone! I drank wine last night fgs :slaps self:


Breakfast sausage muffin (will post recipe if anyone wants it)
Salad, tuna mayo with Delouis mayo
Marmite cheese
Posh pork scratchings (that's the brand, obv they're not posh!)
Steak, garlic butter
Salad with Newmans salad dressing

Walked a mile, loads of water

Feel bloated though, not TOTM, that'll be the bloody wine I expect

Hope everyone's well smile

SamanthaJones Wed 19-Jun-13 20:31:07

Oh Negroni' I HEAR you re sleeve less dresses, I NEVER EVER how my arms as they're like great slabs of lardy lard - cannot wait for autumn tbh. In the meantime I sweated my way through work as I will not ever take off my cardigan, no siree.

SamanthaJones Wed 19-Jun-13 20:32:18

Hmm on the dairy, India and Neris say to break a stall do strict 14 days no dairy or nuts or booze. I'm wondering about doing it.

NewStartNewStory Wed 19-Jun-13 20:41:37

Is it possible to drink too much water? Drunk nearly 4 ltrs today, not including the copious amounts of coffee drunk earlier.

Managed to find my scales and at lunch time they were only weighing me 1kg more the the sts weight so going to hold off entering weight and do a proper one first thing tomo.

BIWI Wed 19-Jun-13 20:56:27

decaff - if dairy is an issue for you, then it won't matter which kind of dairy you're cutting out!

Why not just cut it all out again, make sure that the rest of your diet is properly low carb/high fat and see what happens?

NewStart - that's about a litre more than you need to drink (see the table on the spreadsheet, which is in the Bootcamp rules) - but why do you ask? Today was a hot day, so you may have needed more because of that

BIWI Wed 19-Jun-13 20:58:27

daisy - when you say 'quiche' I trust that you're not eating the pastry?!

Also, there's not much veg going on in your day - and quite a lot of dairy ...

NewStartNewStory Wed 19-Jun-13 21:06:41

Because i am still thirsty and could happy drink another ltr or two before i hit bed. Am wondering that perhaps i am drinking instead of eating? Not had a huge amount of veg today. More then recently but not very much. might go make a small salad to pick at before bed.

Could you be low on salts newstart?

NobodyPutsMyBabyInTheCorner Wed 19-Jun-13 21:11:53

Hi everyone,

Just checking in making sure I'm doing it all right.

B- strawberries (4)
Coffee with milk sad

L- salad of lettuce, onion, cucumber, roast chicken, feta and mayo
Black rooibus tea

D- asparagus, 4 tomatoes and 2 pork steaks in garlic and butter.

S- jelly with cream and a glass of diet coke blush

Feeling very svelte and have dropped 1lb on the scale hoping it sticks until Monday!

NobodyPutsMyBabyInTheCorner Wed 19-Jun-13 21:12:42

Oh, and 2l of water

MyBloominMarvellousYoni Wed 19-Jun-13 21:20:30

Thank you for that info BIWI

I have spent the last two days drinking loads of this flavoured water!!! I hope I haven't done too much damage.

I will have to just put up with the taste of water!!

NewStartNewStory Wed 19-Jun-13 21:21:40

Tis possible willie. Will need to look into that. Might go such a rock salt crystal and see if it helps.

daisychicken Wed 19-Jun-13 21:27:23

BIWI - crustless quiche I promise!!!!!

daisychicken Wed 19-Jun-13 21:29:46

Does salad not count as veg?? I know I had more dairy than usual with the yog & cream on top of the eggs in the quiche but just peckish today....

NewStartNewStory Wed 19-Jun-13 21:35:18

If salad doesn't count as veg Daisy i am in trouble blush

BerylStreep Wed 19-Jun-13 22:08:31

Only just checking in to the thread now. Have had a super busy fortnight - have now been working for 11 days on the trot, and getting up at silly o'clock in the mornings. Have done my best to eat healthily at work (actually, haven't been bad at all) but have then undone it all by virtually having a latte drip in my arm. That, combined with TOTM means I am the same as last week I wish.

My poor mum is in hospital at the moment, and is very unwell. On top of that, she has type 1 diabetes. As well as trying to stay low GI, Mum is also wheat & diary free. I had a quick look at the menu, and it is carb city. For breakfast it is cereal & milk, or toast, or cereal bar - with fruit juice. Lunch was sandwiches. Dinner was revolting breaded fish with potatoes and peas. She has had a plate of potatoes every night as there is nothing else. Her blood sugars are sky high, and the staff have completely infantilised her by refusing to let her manage her own medication, and as a result they won't let her take sufficient insulin to deal with the massive carb fest she is being forced to eat. She barely has sight in one eye, and her eye consultant has been very clear - she must not allow her blood sugars to remain high at all, or she is likely to lose her sight completely. Mum felt bullied by the staff, and that they were refusing to listen to her. I spoke with the Dr, and I thought he had listened to me, and was going to give her the long acting insulin she needs - but when I left visiting, they refused to give it to her again. I feel very frustrated and powerless, and this is combined with working huge hours at the moment. Mum won't let me complain while she is still in hospital as she thinks the staff will take it out on her. I was supposed to be off tomorrow, and had planned to do stuff for mum, and I have now been called into an 8am meeting at work that I have to go to and I am extremely fucked off. My garden is also full of weeds which need attending to, and I am unlikely to manage it. Not only that, but my cats are fighting, and it is like WW3 when I do get home. I think I need a few days off and copious amounts of drink.

Anyhow, mini rant over. That link at the start of the thread about diary was very interesting, and when I get back on my feet I think I will try to have a diary free week to see if it makes a difference.

I'm peckish tonight. Just had some smoked salmon pâté.

I think I'm peckish as when I went to do dinner I discovered that DH hadn't left quite as much shepherds pie last night as I thought! He is away - lucky for him! So my dinner was smaller than I would have liked.

Nobodyputsbaby - BIWI will be after you with her big stick for that jelly!!! It's a no.

Drank all my water and I am now off to bed with The White Queen. The book. Not a real white queen.

Tomorrow will be a good day. No cheese. No booze. Def no sugar. Will reduce my tea intake to two a day.

Night all. And thanks for the pep talks. [smile ]

Beryl you poor thing and your mum too. That is utterly insane

Oh Beryl I am sorry. That sounds very stressful. Your poor mum. The food issue sounds disgusting for diabetics. My dad is diabetic too and was in hospital last year but managed ok food wise. He could choose salad so I think he did that a lot.

BIWI Wed 19-Jun-13 22:13:39

daisy - if you're only eating salad then you will be eating a really low level of carbs, and that's pointless. You are also getting too many carbs from things like yoghurt and peanuts.

Beryl - it's pants, isn't it? My dad was in hospital a couple of years ago, with a problem that he was being treated for. The treatment was steroids, which completely buggered up his diabetes. His food in hospital was shocking - and his blood sugar levels were up as high as 25 - yet nothing was done. No evidence of 'joined up' thinking at all!

Nobody - are you doing Bootcamp? If so, no strawberries, no jelly and no Diet Coke! Honestly. You need to drop those.

decaffwithcream Wed 19-Jun-13 22:38:04

Ah. I thought from that marks daily apple article that different dairy had different effects?

I have reduced it overall but I can't see how to cut out dairy completely for the next few months. Or longer. Or would it just be to break the stall and then I could reintroduce some??

Sorry to sound defeatist but despite all the benefits of this WOE it is still a huge struggle when out and about and if I make it more restrictive long term I can't see how to do it without getting so I just give up.

decaffwithcream Wed 19-Jun-13 22:43:00

Beryl that's awful about your mum's food. What if you asked for your mum to have a consultation with the hospital dietician? About the urgent need to keep her blood sugars low. She would presumably say the food choices currently available for you mum are not suitable and coming from someone official it might go down better.

StuntNun Wed 19-Jun-13 22:52:57

That's awful for your mum Beryl, I thought hospitals had to arrange for suitable food for anyone with different needs. Can you take food into her at all? Even if it's only tinned food so she can at least get some protein?

BIWI the 100% cocoa chocolate isn't sweet, it's pure cocoa mass with no sugar added and it's incredibly bitter.

BIWI Wed 19-Jun-13 22:53:15

decaff - let's have a look at what you've been eating.

List out for me all your meals over the last 3/4 days, along with what you've been drinking. Let's see if there's anything obvious.

Also - how tall are you? How much weight do you actually need/want to lose?

decaffwithcream Wed 19-Jun-13 23:06:03


Breakfast omelette with asparagus and leek. Garnish of grated cheese. Sometimes mayo and leaves.

Lunch is some combination of leaves and mayo, and olive oil, cucumber, chicken slices or egg mayo, olives or precisely 10 cashews

Dinner is no spag Bol from the low carb recipe section or prawns fried in coconut oil on leaves with garlic mayo.

I add celery sticks with peanut butter at the end of a meal if I'm hungry but try not to snack between meals.

I drink only water or coffee, usually decaf, which I add cream to. Some days none, some days 2. Have 3 litres water but more usually 4 a day.

Haven't had alcohol since the start of this. Only added nuts 10 days ago in an effort to reduce dairy. Haven't had any berries or seeds. have 2 squares of dark chocolate a week!

Apart from yesterday which was my first cheat.

Feel like I have followed all the rules but must be missing something

Am looking to be 10 stone 7 ideally so about 17 pounds to go.

prettybird Wed 19-Jun-13 23:06:23

Beryl - if your Mum's eyesight is at risk, then you need to tell her that you are going to complain before she leaves. Include in the complaint her fear that the staff will take it out on her. Involve her eye consultant (maybe just copy him/her in).

If your mum really doesn't want a complaint made, just tell her that you are putting in writing your concerns including that you will hold the those responsible for care responsible if her sight deteriorates about how they are failing to let her manage her insulin appropriately, given the atrocious dietary choices she is faced with.

CrabbyBigBottom Thu 20-Jun-13 00:29:34

God Beryl how awful about your mum's hospital care. angry They must be able to provide gluten-free meals - at least that would exclude bread and pasta? I also think that you should complain anyway, and copy in her eye consultant.

Things ok here, although I'm feeling a little flat this week, don't know why. Tried on a nice pair of size 12 per una trousers today in a charity shop and managed to do them up! shock I couldn't actually move in them, mind you, but I bought them anyway as a motivation. grin

Also, when I arrived to pick DD up, one of the other mums said
"Ooh you look well, have you been away?". smile I said I've lost over a stone and they said they could really see it in my face. Hooray!

B/L - tuna and 3 cheese patties with salad leaves
S - manchego and little tomatoes
D - prawn and pork spicy stir fry with pak choi, broccoli, mushrooms, courgettes, beansprouts and a few baby sweetcorn/sugar snap peas (I know they're a bit carby but the pack was reduced so I bought them and gave the majority to DP because he's not keen on courgette.
P - yoghurt 'ice-cream'
2 cups tea, loads of water.

EMUZ Thu 20-Jun-13 03:21:57

I read something earlier that made me laugh and hoped it might help smile
"Eating one bad thing and then saying screw the healthy eating is like saying hey I dropped my phone, I'll stamp on it until it smashes" grin

That's a good one emuz

I've also heard it's like getting a flat tyre and then slashing the other three

daisychicken Thu 20-Jun-13 07:23:25

BIWI - ah I get you.... mmmhhh... Yesterday was salad twice cause a combination of the heat and not being able to eat till 7.30 meant salad was just easiest, somedays I have salad twice cause the others have pizza or suchlike and I haven't a "ready meal" prepared.. Ok.. will have a rethink as to how I can deal with those days - thanks!

Those are brilliant analogies!

beryl I am so sorry to hear about your mum's care. Do you know how much longer she will need to be in hospital at all?

BIWI Thu 20-Jun-13 08:07:12

decaff - looking at your menu, I'm wondering why you're so worried about dairy? You don't look to be eating much of it!

It doesn't look like you're eating much veg, and your protein isn't especially fatty. I wonder if you need to eat more fat? Certainly if you're hungry/needing to snack, then this might be an issue.

I'd certainly cut out the nuts for the time being.

BIWI Thu 20-Jun-13 08:09:37

The other thing I might suggest, decaff, is that rather than tinkering with what you're doing - dropping something/cheating - that you stick to the same thing for a while and give it more of a chance to work? I know that you want to get shot of the weight, but I think you have to be a little bit more patient! (I know it's very easy to say that).

Looking at the spreadsheet, although you haven't lost much, you have lost consistently, which is important. Slow and steady weight loss is much more sustainable in the long run.

BIWI Thu 20-Jun-13 08:10:22

decaff - how tall are you?

NewStartNewStory Thu 20-Jun-13 08:29:06

All that drinking water yesterday must have done me a favour. my scales are showing 72kg which is a 1kg loss.

I am hoping to get veg and cheese sauce for tea tonight. salad for lunch.

Green beans are too high carb iirc?

BlackAffronted Thu 20-Jun-13 08:37:57

Morning all! Just about to stick a pork joint in the slow cooker to make pulled pork for dinner tonight. Putting it in wraps for the rest of them, having mine with salad & grated cheese. Looking forward to it already grin

BIWI Thu 20-Jun-13 08:40:16

Green beans - a quick Google says 8g carbs per 100g, so they are on the carby side

NewStartNewStory Thu 20-Jun-13 08:49:29

thanks Biwi i suspected so.

milliemoomay Thu 20-Jun-13 08:57:49

I haven't posted as yet this week. I've been meaning to and then suddenly realised that it was Thursday..don't know where the time has gone.

Beryl how terrible for your mum and it must be so distressing. It sounds like she's getting shoddy and inept care irrespective of whether a complaint has been made, so perhaps by complaining things will improve - hopefully?!

I'm pleased ..very, very pleased.. to report that I've lost another lb since Monday. I've been very good, not cheated, drunk lots of water and eaten fish, salad, and good green veg for mos of the week. And except for a few glasses of champagne (to celebrate the end of my dd's GCSE exams), I've watched my alcohol and dairy intake.

It's my birthday next weekend and I wanted to have hit the magic stone loss from when I started "dieting" (10th March - on another WOE before I switched over to LC). I was 11st 5 lbs then, and today I'm 10st 6 lbs. So it's looking quite likely. grin

Thank you so much BIWI, Willie and all you lovely LCers - this WOE has been transformative.

Morning all. Where has the lovely summer gone??? Upside of the rain in the night means I don't have to water the garden though!

14 7 on scales this morning. Über camp Buda-style started. Buda-style means I will have three cups of tea per day with a splash of milk. I won't be having yoghurt or cheese or cream.

B - half of frittata. 2 cups of tea
L - salad with smoked mackerel and mayo
D - garlic and herb chicken breast with roast veg and chorizo and some greens fried with leeks

Water, water, water.

CrabbyBigBottom Thu 20-Jun-13 09:29:53

I like those analogies too. grin

Congratulations on your (almost) stone Millie! smile

Well I've STS since Monday, which is a bit disappointing. Apart from a third of a bottle of prosecco on Tuesday I've been good, I think. Maybe a bit too much of my yoghurt 'ice-cream' - I have been having it every day. I think I'll make a ragu today.

NewStartNewStory Thu 20-Jun-13 09:57:35

congratulations to those who have lost.
Beryl - i hope you can managed to get your mum's care sorted.

Right I might be on my second cup of coffee today BUT i have already made my tea. Whilst i could be bothered. So i have a rather lovely cauliflower cheese sat in a pyrex jug waiting for me to reheat and eat later when cooking just seems too much effort.

Breakfast: 2 eggs scrambled, 2 low carb sausages - was hungry today.

If i have a salad at lunch and the cauli cheese at tea is this getting towards a better level of veg? or do i need to up it even further

NobodyPutsMyBabyInTheCorner Thu 20-Jun-13 10:04:47

BIWI- Bootcamp...blush

The Jelly is gone, as has the diet coke. I'm feeling a bit reluctant to let those strawberries go..

I don't want to cut out the dairy. On average, how much are you meant to have?

So sorry to hear about your Mum Beryl flowers

Negroni Thu 20-Jun-13 10:15:09

Beryl - that is rubbish about your mum's hospital food/ medication. I hope that both get sorted.

I can't believe that more isn't done about refined carbfest that is hospital food. The little shop in the ante natal dept I visited regularly last year only sold chocolate bars, crisps, fizzy drinks and sausage rolls for a customer base of pregnant women and their toddler children. It is utter madness. I know they are oursourced businessness but still... madness.

Millie - congrats on being a stone down!

Black - am in awe of your patience with both oil pulling and pulled pork cooking!

Summer still going on here (London) albeit a bit overcast but still v warm and dry. I have been feeling a bit meh these last few days and also noting that my weight is creeping up. Am half a pound up since Monday and a pound up since last Friday - basically since I stopped the uber camp! Think it is basically due to being unmindful of my eating and generally eating too much cream, too many berries, too much peanut butter, not drinking enough water. So am back on ubercamp till my do on Saturday - and then again on Sunday - as do not want to actually have to register a weight gain come official weigh in on Monday!

Xenia Thu 20-Jun-13 10:50:42

Beryl, that is appalling. There are so many institution where not a single bit of the food is real food. If I go into hospital I would have to have my meals brought in for me I suspect or take a lot of tins of tuna and sardines and raw veg in.

BIWI Thu 20-Jun-13 10:52:08
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couch25cakes Thu 20-Jun-13 11:07:41

Hello all
Didn't get on yesterday aas I was in town for a conference. Bloody working lunch of sandwiches and fruit! I had booked beofore starting this woe but will definitely become 'coeliac' before the next one and order a special meal.

So yesterday was:
B: pork terrine, cucumber, mayo
L: sandwiches angry and two strawberries, loads of water
D: Chilli, cauliflower rice, cheese and yoghurt
S: book group, so a bit of cheese and a few olives

Today I am a lb up so will be a strict day:
B: bacon and eggs
L: smoked salmon terrine on celery and salad
D: salmon steaks with fried leeks and courgette

Sticking to that should see me lose that lb hopefully.

maidofmuss Thu 20-Jun-13 11:40:06

Hi all!
Well, here I am sitting in the dust watching the the wagon diminish to a speck in the far distance. Fell off it yesterday and to use analogies cited earlier, promptly jumped on my smashed phone/slashed the other three tyres on my car). Feel rubbish today – partly because of the carbs, partly because I'm so mad at myself.
Sitting at my desk, trying to give myself a good talking to (and not quite succeeding).
flowers to you Beryl
Well done to Millie for loss and Crabby for getting in those trousers! and everyone else for staying on the course!
Please someone give me a pep talk!

Beryl how rage-making is that hospital. Can you take in some "packed lunches" for your mum? Or, as you are snowed under with work, can you ask some of your mum's friends to take in some suitable food for her. I bet some of her friends would be so happy to have something "specific" to do that would be really helpful. (apart from complaining to all the "health-workers" who have created this situation, of course)

And crabby if you can zip up size 12 trousers I would like to nominate you for a name-change to crabbysmallbottom

maid the wagon has screeched to a halt and is coming back for you and we won't take no for an answer!

middleagedspread Thu 20-Jun-13 11:49:20

I am in my size 10 jeans

They are far too tight, fat is spilling over the top & my hip bones hurt where they're digging in.

I had to lie down to do them up But I'm wearing them all day until I can't resist trackies any longer!

OK I'm going to go nerdish on the numbers!

Until now I have not weighed myself, don't have scales. I did not want to (ever) know how heavy I was at the worst. I've just been watching the back-fat disappearing and my clothes getting baggier.

Today I was at the doctors and she wanted to weigh me as part of the diagnosis! So, I am 84kg, 13 stone 3lb. This is a BMI of 28 (overweight).

The previous weight they had logged at the docs was 88.5kg, 13 stone 13lb. No idea when that was, and I bet I had got bigger since whenever that was. Even so, that is an Obese BMI. So, better already!

To get to normal BMI I need to be at most 73kg, 11 stone 6lb. I can't quite believe I could EVER be that weight but it will be interesting to see. One thing is for sure, this WOE is the only way I will find out. Nearly 2 stone to lose - wow!

Sorry for the stats-fest I've gone from one extreme to another!

daisychicken Thu 20-Jun-13 12:00:06

beryl - my DM has coeliacs and has terrible problems with decent food in hospital (apart from when she was in Glan Clwyd - they seemed to be switched on) - we used to take food in for her. Is that a possibility for you? You shouldn't have to do this, I don't understand why hospital food is so poor when really, good nutrition is the base of good health but might be a solution?

You'll get there Lily! Just keep plodding away!

rubybricks Thu 20-Jun-13 12:00:28

<runs to catch up with wagon>

forcing myself to log in here and be accountable, have had 4 days completely off piste with RL getting in the way as well... BIWI your stick would be broken in pieces you would need to beat me so hard sad

there has been wine and biscuit biscuit and i'm scared to step on the scales!

off to catch up with the thread since monday, hope everyone else is managing ok.

kiwigirl42 Thu 20-Jun-13 12:09:01

hi guys! been really having moments of struggling last 2 days for first time (could easily have scoffed a doughnut) but fine again today. Sure it was the chocolate brownie I ate on Saturday night awakening all my sugar receptors again!

I have thought long and hard about the dairy issue as I eat a lot of Greek Yogurt with a bit of double cream mixed in (sometimes a tub a day if unwell and can't get anything else down).

I've decided, looking at research including this (check out sidebar for more) , that I am going to keep eating it. I need the calcium for one post hysterectomy and secondly there is not much else of this type of easy meal to eat on this WOE. It seems that everything needs cooking or preparing apart from nuts which I try not to eat.

chicken and spinach curry tonight. yum!

maidofmuss Thu 20-Jun-13 12:31:48

Thanks Lily – maybe it's hormonal. Feel bit down in the dumps for no particular reason. Well done on yr own weight loss btw. Think on this WOE it is probably better not to watch the scales too much, as BIWI et al say. Snap Ruby Back fighting carb cravings today!

re the weather - when it warm and humid i don't lose weight, this might happen to others? when the weather gets cooler again i tend to see a drop

decaffwithcream Thu 20-Jun-13 13:36:57

Thanks BIWI. It is consistent but a pound every 3 weeks (after the initial loss) is frustrating!

Never known my height but have just measured when you asked and I'm 5 foot 7 and a bit. (Quite pleased I am taller than I always thought grin)

I would happily stop at a higher weight if I was slimmer - I did Jillian Michaels shred dvds somewhat consistently for 18 months and have certainly developed new muscles all over so don't expect to weigh the same as I did before weight gain. Unfortunately the muscles are still obscured by a layer of fat!

I will up the veg and fattier protein, down the nuts and attempt to cultivate the virtue of patience! Thanks flowers

BIWI Thu 20-Jun-13 14:08:02

decaff - you have only 4.5lbs to go before you become 'desirable' from a BMI point of view! (And that's forgetting the 'bit' of the 5 ft 7!)

Your loss will be slower as you have less to lose. I know you won't see it like that, as you want to lose more weight, but you will need to be patient and just be happy that the scales are moving in the right direction.

BIWI Thu 20-Jun-13 14:13:46

And it's what Atkins advises - longer periods of slower weight loss as you head into maintenance, the theory being that you get used to eating this way. He recommends losing less than a pound a week for up to three months.

Back on the wagon maid and ruby! I'm back on after a fall off on Monday night.

Just been to Waitrose and stocked up on bits and pieces that won't involve dairy over the next few days.

Lunch was a yummy salad of leaves, 4 cherry toms chopped, some yellow pepper chopped, half an avocado, smoked mackerel and wasabi mayonnaise. Yum.

Enjoying my final cup of tea of the day before tackling a pile of ironing.

BIWI Thu 20-Jun-13 14:16:59

For those of you who have dropped off the wagon, the key thing is to identify what those triggers were for you.

There are lots of times when we will eat things that are high in carbs - sometimes we simply can't avoid them, like couch25cakes and her conference. Or perhaps you've been invited to a friend's for dinner, and are presented with a plate of pasta.

But when it's something that you have done of your own free will, why did you do it? And more importantly, when you know you are sabotaging your own best efforts and hard work so far, why did you think it would be worth it?

Imagine you are in the same situation this time next week, feeling as you do about it now. What will you do next time? How will you avoid the carbs?

BIWI for me it was being pissed off about the scales dying as I had been so good and I knew that new scales would weigh me differently and I wouldn't really know my real loss. Stupid as I said but it was enough for me to give into a glass of wine. Which ended up being a bottle. And the led to a total carb fest. At that stage I wasn't really thinking is it worth it. I was just doing.

Fast day for me today, so am having a seared tuna steak and salad in an hour or so. Off to the UK tomorrow, have already got a Tesco's order done which will arrive at Dad's just after I do - loads of low carb goodies like venison and duck breasts (and more down to earth food like chicken and salmon!). I'm having a planned treat on Sunday, when we go to my favourite restaurant for lunch - there's a creme brulee with my name on it! I'll be back on plan on Monday (which is also a fast day).

Tomorrow may end up being another fast day, because I can never find anything low carb to eat at our small local airport, and by the time I get to Dad's I'm past the point of hunger, and just want a swift vodka to put my feet up and relax.

maidofmuss Thu 20-Jun-13 15:48:18

grin at Cider "just doing" after the wine..
Oh BIWI (deep sigh at self) – with me it's a truly stupid mindset I get into when I think, okay I've blown it now (with unavoidable dinner or whatever) so I may as well eat that huge bar of chocolate and have those crisps while I'm at it and, what the hell, another glass of wine. At least it's only been a day – which, trust me, is a result.
Drinking lots of water today and hoping will be able to wash away my sins.
Still feeling bit deflated (mentally if not physically)

I have a planned cheat coming up this weekend. I feel quite grumpy about it tbh… Its an afternoon tea kinda thing, I am making chocolate cupcakes and smoked salmon blinis for it. Not things I would choose to cheat with! I'd much rather have a crispy pizza from our local Italian joint and a bucket of Peroni! grin
I can't really avoid joining in the carb-fest without looking like a twat so I'll have to suck it up for that day. sad

couch25cakes Thu 20-Jun-13 16:47:09

Bullet, I've become very choosy about my cheats. I was gutted at the working lunch yesterday, the sandwiches were so bland and wet. If I'm going to eat bread, I want it freshly baked and crusty and with fresh butter over it, not supermarket sliced with slimy chicken.

BerylStreep Thu 20-Jun-13 16:48:58

Guys, thanks so much for the consolations. I was off for most of the day (well after my morning meeting, which went ok). My sister and I spent the rest of the morning getting Mum's house ready for her - we put up a bed in her living room, cleaned and tidied the house (well my sis did) and sorted the garden (me). Another sister is bring dinner in for Mum tonight - avocado and tomato salad. I think I will do stuffed peppers for her tomorrow. We don't know how long she will be in hospital for. She got septicaemia after her procedure, and is on iv antibiotics and a drip. They won't let her out unless they find an alternative to the iv antibiotics.

I night try making that treat ice-cream - the one with yoghurt, berries and flaxseed.

That sounds rank couch!
I do think "is it worth it?" when tempted. I almost always think "no, its not!".

Loutwenty Thu 20-Jun-13 17:10:40

Can anyone help me out re a meal out at the weekend? I know I have switched to slim and save, but PIL are coming this weekend, it's akin to a royal visit in this house (bitter?!) so we have to do what ever they want. We have to go out to their favourite indian restaurant.

On S&S I am actually allowed small low carb meal of protein and salad if I wish. I don't intend to eat much, I will just pick, but what do you all reckon is the best low carb meal from the tandoori menu?

Dried chicken breast marinated in fresh herbs & spices

Spring lamb marinated in yoghurt, herbs & spices

2 pieces on the bone. Tender spring chicken on the bone marinated in a mild spice

6 Pieces. Tender spring lamb chops marinated in fresh herbs & spices

Chicken OR lamb flavoured with fresh spices & slowly grilled with capsicum, tomatoes & onions

Chicken OR lamb flavoured with fresh spices & slowly grilled with capsicum, tomatoes & onions

grin maid. It is just 'doing' though. I don't even let myself think about what I'm doing.

Anyway. Onwards and upwards. Or should I say downwards!

Chicken with roast veg and chorizo bits tonight. Off to pick DS up from tennis first.

I would go for chicken tikka, presumably you need lean protein or the shake diet? Its going to be the lowest carb and fat. I you were following this woe lamb would be a better option as its fattier. Peppers, onions and tomatoes are all relatively carby so avoid shaslick

Abouttime Thu 20-Jun-13 17:23:02

Ok so I've had a major slip up today when I went for lunch to a world buffet. I was really good for my main meal but let myself down & ate numerous mini desserts.

Have I ruined everything? Will it all be stored as glycogen & what is the best/quickest way to get rid of it?

Loutwenty Thu 20-Jun-13 17:24:28

I thought Chicken tikka as well. Dh is making a massive deal of it, saying it will be terrible for his parents if I don't eat properly. TBH, the last time we went for an indian I was pregnant and was so sick I didn't eat a thing. They didn't even notice probably because they get so inappropriately pissed

BIWI Thu 20-Jun-13 17:39:30

If you order chicken tikka it usually comes with a salad, so it will look like a full meal. It's hardly not 'eating properly'!

But why should you have to try and fool anyone? And what the actual fuck is it to do with your PILs what you're eating? And <winds self into righteous indignation on your behalf> why the fuck isn't your DH supporting you and what you are trying to do?

Negroni Thu 20-Jun-13 17:39:33

Lou - I would go for the chicken tikka too. Prawn Tikka would be fine too if they had that. Even chicken saag (spinach) would probably be fine too. Honestly I am sure your PILs just won't notice what you have so long as you order something. If it all seems a bit little you could always order a vegetable side dish for others to share - sag paneer (spinach/ cheese) and just mainly have the spinach.... or some other veg in small quantities would also be fine.

BIWI Thu 20-Jun-13 17:40:17

Abouttime - drink plenty of water and be super strict tomorrow. If you can, do some hard, focused exercise and then you should be fine.

Loutwenty Thu 20-Jun-13 17:47:26

Dh is supportive to a point, he's doing low carb himself. He's only gone mad at me as I said I probably won't eat any of it (I really would rather stick to the shakes) just pick and pretend.

captainmummy Thu 20-Jun-13 18:00:25

I'd personally rather have the lamb tandoori - I don't eat enough lamb and I love it!

Couldn't do shakes tho.

Loutwenty Thu 20-Jun-13 18:20:30

Actually, it's dh who will be the winner, he'll get to eat what I don't!

I know it can sometimes be awkward for other people, but I have had several gastric ops over the years, many requiring me to either fast or have a special diet before hand. I don't like to broadcast them tbh, so have often sat in restaurants and not eaten (if the people I am with are aware of my condition) or pretended to eat. It doesn't bother me at all, the only thing that does is the constant "surly you can eat this/try a bit of this/have a night off it, won't hurt" comments.

Hello! I managed to stay on track today - nothing suitable for quick lunch anywhere so I just had a coffee!!! I was pleased not just to have given into temptation anyway and we have just bought delish rib steaks to BBQ for dinner so am pleased with that!

Ruprekt Thu 20-Jun-13 18:41:35

YAY!! By upping the fat and the water I have lost 3lbs since Monday!! grin

Am very pleased.

B - 2 chorizo sausages, bacon, mushrooms and coleslaw

L - water and coffee

D - Monkfish, prawns, scallops with celeriac and salad. Yum.

BIWI Thu 20-Jun-13 18:53:55

Well done, Ruprekt! (You see, it does work ... grin)

daisychicken Thu 20-Jun-13 19:02:55

Have worked out carb counts today and food wise I have had 16.7 g/c plus another 2g/c for milk in tea so 18.7g/c today - that leaves me a smidge for a snack if I get hungry later!

B: 3 sticks celery with peanut butter
L: huge chicken salad with avocado (it was too much though)
D: chilli with broccoli
S: peanuts (20g I measured and its more than enough so might try and drop to 10g next time)

Plus water and tea with a smidge of milk

ToomuchIsBackOnBootcamp Thu 20-Jun-13 19:11:02

Evening all, busy thread last few days!!
beryl hospital food is utterly pants so am glad your mum is getting emergency food parcels from you and family, and yes I would complain!! How ridiculous to treat her for one thing but not take into consideration how to deal with a long term health condition like diabetes alongside that!!

crabby size 12 well done. Will now call you crabbykyliebottom grin
middle size 10? envy don't think I've been a size 10 since, well, ever??!

Reaches down to grab and haul maid and ruby back up on the wagon, yeeha!<slaps thighs>

decaff <waves> you are about the same height as me and aiming for the same rough goal weight. Your meal choices look fine. Have you considered your portion sizes, are they reasonable? Otherwise, as biwi says, if you lose it slowly but steadily, it's much more likely to stay off, which is the important thing!

furry can't wait for your weigh in. It's odd that we don't even know each other but we all feel excited for some one else's achievements! Good luck for first Uk weigh in!! (--enjoy the voddy--)

Early B (damned dog) Lidl yoghurt with 2 strawberries
Brunch 3 slices bacon, 2 fried eggs, small tomatoes, all fried in butter
S half a slice of ham
D cauliflower cheese, salad with feta cucumber and oil.

Love cauli cheese, always feel so satisfied and full after it. Going on a Lidl raid tomorrow, hoping for celeriac but if its out of season am planning to get cabbage to do the creamy braised cabbage again. Yum.

ToomuchIsBackOnBootcamp Thu 20-Jun-13 19:14:11

Ooh captainmummy lamb!! As DH is away, I can have that! He hates lamb to the point even the smell of it cooking makes him whinge feel queasy so we never usually have it, it's never in my thoughts re meal plans!! But this week it is now!

SamanthaJones Thu 20-Jun-13 19:26:32

Well done everyone and sympathy to all who've fallen off the wagon

I've got a conference tomorrow and I just KNOW lunch will be sandwiches and fruit. I'm taking nuts in my bag and I'll see if I can pck the fillings out but it may just look too rude.

Today I've had

B: six little sausages (Helen Browning organic speedy sausages)
S:Posh pork scratching, a Marmite cheese
L: Raw Spinach salad with tuna
S: Few pieces of Chorizo
D: chicken with lemon, olive oil and garlic, salad

No wine tonight or last night but will be going for a curry on Friday (I hav tandoori mixed grill or beef Rajasthani or Chingri Sagwala, there's rarely any sugar in Indian food, you just can't have rice or naan)

I FEEL fat though and I don't reckon I've lost anything in the last week. So I won't weigh myself unless I think I've lost some more.

SamanthaJones Thu 20-Jun-13 19:27:32

And I thought green beans were fine and I've been eating them, are they not?

StuntNun Thu 20-Jun-13 19:32:30

I had a terrible start to the day - absolutely no energy when I woke up. Fortunately I had some prepared strawbs in the fridge so I stumbled downstairs and ate them straight away, then too much yoghurt and a few almonds before I was able to see to the baby. Honestly I don't think I would have been able to lift him up. Poor DS3 was most disgruntled to be left with his daddy for a few minutes while I stuffed my face.

My day was:
B: too many strawberries, Greek yogurt, a few almonds
S: olives
L: two slices bacon and one fried egg (naughty, I'm not supposed to eat eggs)
S: cherries
D: roast pork belly slices, roast fennel and roast asparagus with a sprinkling of Parmesan. It was divine!

DH had:
B: two boiled eggs
L: ham salad
D: pork belly, fennel and asparagus
Gallons of coffee

BIWI Thu 20-Jun-13 19:52:04

Why are you not supposed to eat eggs, StuntNun?

StuntNun Thu 20-Jun-13 19:59:59

Oh DS3 is allergic and if I eat eggs he gets eczema. I only had one though, I used to eat them daily so hopefully one won't affect him.

decaffwithcream Thu 20-Jun-13 20:46:49

I am grin at the thought of being a "desirable" BMI. I would've thought I had a long way to go to healthy range.

TooMuch yesterday I would've thought you were taller than me if you posted your height as I thought I was around 5'4 or 5'5.

Never mind the scalesI now feel taller and slimmer than I felt when I woke up this morning!

BIWI Thu 20-Jun-13 21:37:51


You will soon be desirable!

CrabbyBigBottom Fri 21-Jun-13 00:01:30

Thanks maid and sorry to hear you've had a little slip. We're all here to yank you back on! Hope today went better.

Lily and Toomuch grin grin at CrabbySmallKylieBottom! I wish! Sadly, my bum is the only bit of me that hasn't been shrinking much. Also, I bet I couldn't do those trousers up today - my tummy feels quite bloated for some reason. confused

I succumbed to yoghurt 'ice-cream' again today, despite my annoyance at not having lost anything this week. And then to add insult to injury, this evening I had some raspberries and clotted cream. hmm My portions of all my meals were small, for various reasons, and I think that left me hungry.

B - mozzarella, 4 little toms, pesto, half slice parma ham
L - leftover stirfry, mainly beansprouts
Straight afterwards had yoghurt
D - 3 chipolata sausages (black farmer), few tomatoes, bit of broccoli, mushroom and celeriac. Not enough.
P - later in evening was hungry so had raspberries and clotted cream. blush
Been really thirsty today and drinking loads.

Ruprekt how did you increase the fat you were eating? (dairy ways or non-dairy ways?)

I've just been to the pub. And realised there is nothing you can drink at the pub on this WOE is there? (unfortunately at the moment I'm not allowed alcohol, would clash with medication.) I'm assuming ginger beer is too carby. I had soda water and the bar staff wouldn't even charge me!

Ruprekt Fri 21-Jun-13 00:22:42

Lily, I cook the veg in butter and then add more butter when I serve it. Butter is the best way as it does not seem to stall weightloss unlike milk, cream and yoghurt.

Thanks, I will try more butter. (and water) (as 3lbs off in a few days is impressive!)