Week 4 - Summer Low Carb Bootcamp - Wherein we totes commit

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BigStickBIWI Sun 19-May-13 23:49:07

OK. It has come to my attention that there has been a lot of slippage going on over the last few days

Low carbing is not a very forgiving way of eating. It isn't like following a low calorie diet, where one meal or one day can compensate for another.

If you're low carbing then you have to commit to low carbing all the time.

Once you reach your target weight, then this isn't necessarily the case, but whilst you're losing weight, you really do have to keep your carbs low. If you don't, then all you're doing is constantly messing with your blood sugars.

And, if you have a massive increase in carbs, you are constantly re-filling your glycogen stores, which means your weight could go up by as much as 7lbs. And you're stopping your body shifting from carb-burning to fat-burning, because you're having to deal with all those pesky carbs.

So, here is the Spreadsheet of Fabulousness for you to confess all

Let's make sure that we really commit and get shot of that weight.

AngieAir Mon 20-May-13 07:24:03

Another 1lb off for me, slow but steady and enjoying my food. Have managed to cut down my cream intake.

Need to drink more water and stop accepting cake for fear of causing of offence (sorry BIWI, seems to happen once a week but I guess that if I really didn't want it I wouldn't have it, no one has ever managed to force a sandwich on me).

Also to drink fewer cups of tea as 8 have it with a splash of milk. Some warm weather would help with that!

middleagedspread Mon 20-May-13 07:31:39

No change for me.
I feel quite cross because I've been really good. I don't have that much to lose & wonder if that's why (clutching at straws). I think my clothes are a bit loser though, but still in my 'fat' jeans.
Resisted carby temptations last night, I'm very proud of my self control.

BlackAffronted Mon 20-May-13 07:44:27

I am struggling so much this Bootcamp sad Last time I was able to stick to it really well, but I cant seem to this time round. We are also struggling with money at the moment, with a week to go, and it is so much cheaper & easier if I stock up on cheap carbs to feed everyone. So Im struggling with guilt just now too, for spending some money on unprocessed meat & veg when I could have bought a lot more "other" stuff. And now we have bare cupboads sad I know only I can lose this weight, but I feel a bit overwhelmed atm. Hopefully, come payday Ill be back on it!

So sorry for the woefull post! I just didnt want to disappear. I hope everyone else is doing brilliantly smile

RaspberrySchnapps Mon 20-May-13 07:50:02

thanks BIWI. another 2lbs off for me. content with that, I've got a lot to lose so its all good so far. I do need to up my water intake but feel a bit like a camel sometimes.

angieair i read recently a post on another forum about how women particularly find their diets sabotaged in this way through not wanting to cause offence. it suggested that women in general are often conditioned into not upsetting or inconveniencing others, and wanting to make them comfortable, to the extent that it might have a real negative impact on them

of course, being sociable and a nice person to be around is a good thing, but you mustn't think that your own goals and needs (health, weight loss, whatever) are so unimportant in comparison to other people's. easier said than done, i know

BigStickBIWI Mon 20-May-13 07:55:47

Agree, Willie.

Angie - you're quite right - no-one ever forces a sandwich on to you! You have to have the courage of your convictions and refuse the cake. Often people do this because they are jealous and/or they don't want you to succeed in your diet. And you are more important and deserve more than that!

BlackAffronted I'm sorry, but lack of money is really a bit of an excuse. Low carbing doesn't have to be expensive, and as someone who is such a good cook, you know that. Look at the recipe thread again for some inspiration.

QueenofDreams Mon 20-May-13 08:05:06

OK ladies I'll be back on the LC from today. and no being guilted out of it. Although DP has ordered fish pie for one of our dinners this week. I'll just have to try and avoid the potato topping I guess.

AngieAir Mon 20-May-13 08:14:19

Willie I do agree about the politeness sabotage.

I can often say no but in the last week or so I've been faced with old friend who'd bought my latte & croissant before I arrived at the cafe and a work colleague at a meeting who'd made a truly amazing cake and was handing slices round. I felt there was no escape. Of course I didn't have to eat the whole thing - that's my lack of willpower not politeness.

I do this a lot at my mil's too. She is veggie plus fish and eats low fat soya stuff and thinks I'm crazy because I call it processed and won't eat it. I once had a bleak meal of steamed veg and meat boiled in a stock cube sauce. Only low fat soya marg available for fat which I won't eat. I then ate half the trifle. I might bring my own butter next time. Now that would freak her right out grin.

BigStickBIWI Mon 20-May-13 08:18:49

Whoops - I managed to post all this on the wrong thread, so am re-posting here:

I'd like to pick up on a comment that twinkle made on the last thread - she has stopped doing Bootcamp because she was getting bored of eating the same things all the time.

I've also noticed one or two others talk about eating the same thing regularly.

If you narrow down your food/meal choices like this, you will get bored and it's a surefire way to guarantee that you will give up!

It's also pretty pointless when you think of all the lovely foods that you can eat - think how much more restrictive a low calorie diet is compared with low carbing!

Here are some cheap/economic recipes from the recipe thread:

Asparagus Frittata (serves 2)

British asparagus is in season now, and it should be a little cheaper than it might normally be. However, if it's still too expensive, you can replace it with another green vegetable or a mixture of green vegetables, like broccoli or courgette. Similarly, if Parmesan/Pecorino is out of reach, use a mature cheddar instead.

250g/9oz asparagus, trimmed and cut into 5cm/2in pieces
4 eggs
4 tablespoons freshly grated Parmesan or Pecorino cheese
225g/8oz spring onions, finely chopped
2 tablespoons olive oil

- Cook asparagus in boiling water until tender (7-10 minutes)
- Whisk the eggs and add the cheese and the spring onions
- Pre-heat the grill
- Heat the oil in a large frying pan that can go under the grill
- Put in the asparagus; stir-fry for a minute, then pour in the eaten eggs, moving the asparagus around gently to make sure the egg mixture gets right through, and that the grated cheese is well distributed
- Let the frittata cook over a moderate heat for a few minutes until the underside is cooked and lightly browned, then put the pan under a hot grill for a minute or two until the top is set and golden brown

5.5g carbs per serving

Recipe from Rose Elliot's "The Vegetarian Low-Carb Diet Book"

Low Carb Shepherd's Pie (serves 6)

Mince is always good value, and it's usually on offer as well. This makes a really good family meal and is also very low carb

5 leeks (about the number you will get in a pack from Sainsbury) sliced
1/2 head of celery, sliced
500g beef mince
1 OXO cube
1 whole celeriac, peeled and chopped into chunks
2 Echalion shallots (Sainsbury's sell these - long and thin rather than round - but I guess ordinary shallots would be find - you need around 75g)
Grated cheese

- Fry your beef first, in olive oil in a large frying pan, and season with salt, pepper and when browned, crumble in the OXO cube
- In a large saucepan, fry the leeks and celery in butter with a splash of olive oil (Adding the oil helps to prevent the butter from burning)
- When softened, add the mince and then cover with water and simmer for 30 minutes, with the pan lid on
- After 30 minutes, take the lid off and reduce the amount of liquid (it needs to be reasonably dry - but do this to your own taste)
- While the meat is cooking, boil your celeriac in a large pan of salted water, till tender - this will take 20-25 minutes
- Drain and mash - either by hand or with a stick blender.
- Thinly slice the shallots and fry gently till nicely browned, in butter with a splash of oil, then mix into the mash
- Put the meat into an oven-proof dish and spread the mash on top of it. Top with the grated cheese and bake for around 20 minutes in a hot oven until the cheese is browned.

32g for the whole thing; 5.4g carbs per portion if serving 6 people.

Marinated Courgette with Mozzarella

Courgettes are often sold cheaply as 'Basics' in Sainsbury's. They tend to be slightly bigger than the ones that are sold loose, but they taste just as good. And you can also buy Basics mozzarella too, so the cheese element of this dish doesn't need to be expensive

4 medium courgettes (about 500g)
5 tablespoons extra virgin olive or rapeseed oil
1 large clove garlic, finely slivered
Finely grated zest of 1 lemon, plus a little juice
A handful of mint or basil, roughly torn
1 ball of buffalo mozzarella (about 125g), or other mild, soft cheese
Sea salt and freshly ground black pepper

Top and tail the courgettes, then cut them lengthways into thin slices, 1–2mm thick. Put them in a bowl with 2 tablespoons of the oil and use a pastry brush to get them all lightly coated.

Heat a large non-stick frying pan over a fairly high heat. Working in batches, sear the courgette slices for about 2 minutes on each side until tender and golden. Transfer them to a shallow dish.

Take the frying pan off the heat and let it cool down a bit. Add the remaining 3 tablespoons oil, the garlic and lemon zest. Heat very gently for a few minutes – the residual heat in the pan may be enough – you just want to take the raw edge off the garlic and infuse the flavours into the oil.
Pour the infused oil over the courgettes. Add some salt and pepper, a little squeeze of lemon juice and the mint or basil. Toss together, cover and leave for 1 hour at room temperature.

Serve with the torn mozzarella scattered over it.

(A River Cafe recipe)

BigStickBIWI Mon 20-May-13 08:20:20

Queen - when you say DP has 'ordered' it, what do you mean? If you are making it, can't you substitute cauliflower or celeriac mash for the potato mash?

If it's a ready meal he's ordered, then can you not order something else?

MrsFlorrick Mon 20-May-13 08:23:00

Morning everyone.
Sorry you are struggling blackaffronted. Life likes to get in the way of plans doesn't it!! Pick yourself up and dust yourself off and start again. smile

2.2 lbs off me this last week. It's a complete record for me. Sadly I suspect it has more to do with low food intake over Friday and Saturday after my bullet proof coffee vs amoxicillin debacle than my LC efforts.

All the same. Hurrah!! So that makes a whole 6.2 lbs in erm 6 months. <hangs head and skulks off to dunce corner>

NewStartNewStory Mon 20-May-13 08:23:51


<considers herself suitably told off>

will weigh in tomo when i haven't spent virtually the whole night awake and drinking fluids.

BigStickBIWI Mon 20-May-13 08:28:46

MrsFlorrick - it's still 6lbs! Better to be able to report that than a 6lb gain.

It took me almost a year to lose two stone - and the last half a stone probably took me about 6 months. Slow and sure wins the race, though. This is a marathon not a sprint, as someone once said.

QueenofDreams Mon 20-May-13 08:40:06

BIWI, it's a ready meal. We do all our shopping on Ocado. It's a big one though, so it's shared between us. Ordering another one is just not an option. I'm really not going to be able to do this am I? P is really really against low carb, I'm not going to get him to change that, and I won't be able to do it myself when he WILL buy carby meals like that.

milliemoomay Mon 20-May-13 08:44:49

Morning all! I slipped up horribly on Friday (bottle of rose and other unmentionables) and tried to justify it by giving myself all sorts of allowances.

Yet there really is no excuse - a stressful week is exactly the time to rise to challenge.. piling on the weight just adds to the stress! And weighing myself on Saturday morning to find that I had put on 2 lbs proved that.

So after giving myself a stern talking to, I decided to go back to basics and did a strict BC weekend. I cut out cheese but did add butter and olive oil. I had also bought the IPD book and have found it very useful.

I feel so much better this morning, and have not only lost the 2 lbs I put on, but another lb too. So since I started 'dieting' (before I joined officially) I've lost 10 lbs. It's energised me and weird as this might sound, I feel motivated not just with the diet but in other areas of my life too.

Good luck with week 4 fellow losers and thanks for the recipes BigStickBIWI

BigStickBIWI Mon 20-May-13 08:46:33

Queen - why on earth can't you do this? You really have to take your 'D'P in hand and tell him why you're doing this. You have the knowledge he just has a prejudice.

If he insists on sabotaging you, then take control and you do the shopping.

BigStickBIWI Mon 20-May-13 08:47:46

Well done, millie! BTW, butter doesn't count as dairy - it's completely allowed, nay, encouraged on a low carb WOE. Have you got the IPD recipe book as well? It's very good.

BigStickBIWI Mon 20-May-13 08:48:41

Actually, Queen, he isn't just prejudiced, he's ignorant. Why do you put up with it?

BigStickBIWI Mon 20-May-13 08:49:02

.... not that this is the Relationships board grin!

HeirToTheIronThrone Mon 20-May-13 08:56:21

STS for me, but am happy with this as there was lots of prosecco and a bit of birthday cake on Friday, and we had an Indian takeaway last night, and whilst I think I chose good LC options (lamb tikka and a side of broccoli paneer), I always worry there's been some random flour/sugar/something added! I am now very hungry but can't eat as the dentist has painted my teeth with some weird stuff that tastes like rank artificial banana... Still, feeling positive, there shouldn't be anything to trip me up this week until a friend's 30th on Saturday, which I am planning to drive to so to avoid drinking, and it's a bring your own barbecue which should be good for me - will be taking along home made burgers and coleslaw I think.

Well done all and keep going!

LavenderBriggs Mon 20-May-13 08:57:37

Hi BIWI. I've fallen off the spreadsheet as I haven't been updating. It's been a bit busy here. Mum had a mastectomy 10 days ago (6 weeks from finding lump to op, we're still reeling a bit). I was a bit poorly. Other things happened. Mum is doing really well and is getting into exercise - I made her do pre-op exercising (didn't want her having to learn it all after the op) and she's thrilled that her years-old shoulder pain has gone. Always a bright side.

I'm sticking to my beloved low-carbing like a limpet (a slim limpet, my waist is now 26"). (26"!)

Well to done to everyone who is starting this way of eating. Stick with it through the difficult bits, it is so, so worth it.

BigStickBIWI Mon 20-May-13 08:58:53

Sorry to hear about your mum - here's hoping that she makes a good recovery.

captainmummy Mon 20-May-13 09:09:31

Lavebnder - good and bad news there! Hope your mum continues to do well , and 262 waist is amazing (well jel!)
Queen - if it's a big fish pie, can he not eat it onver 2 days? Keep 1 portion for him, and 'order' yourself a LC meal - or better still, make yourself something! Even just a pork chop with buttered beans and chopped fried leeks?

Morning, haven't weighed today, didn't even think to. Got so much going on lately Im really not feeling it this time round. Could someone link or post how to make the pork scratchings please? For some reason I cant get the search to work today.


captainmummy Mon 20-May-13 09:09:59

26" waist * i meant!

maidofmuss Mon 20-May-13 09:18:30

Another 2 lbs off for me, which I'm pleased with. Was secretly hoping to slip below the 12st mark but never mind... maybe next week

Work beckons so will post food later – is tofu carby?

JaxTellerIsAllMine Mon 20-May-13 09:22:54

guy buy the pork rind from morrisons (approx 80p for loads) put on baking tray in hot oven, bake until crispy, chop up, sprinkle salt/pepper/spices on top and voila! grin

I have STS - but as I explained on other thread although I have made not so LC choices it was ok for me for the past few days. All will be back to normal as of tomorrow.

For those who are struggling you need to change your mindset - buy FROZEN veggies, often cheaper than fresh, or buy at markets, buy cheaper cuts of meat and slow roast/cook with a lovely sauce. You CAN do this!

rubybricks Mon 20-May-13 09:24:20

morning all!
only 1lb down this week, but not surprised really, had a fairly major slippage at the weekend and am keen to put it behind me.

blackaffronted do you know, it's sort of comforting to hear that others struggle in the same way too, though i'm sorry you're feeling that way, i hope that you will find enough support here to get back on the LC wagon wholeheartedly.

it was justasmallgless i think who mentioned the side effect of this WOE being much more even temperament/less mood swings etc - and to be honest until this weekend i was beginning to find the same thing. but since yesterday i have been in a trough - nay a slough of despond, and it just colours how i view everything. will try and work through it though - think it may be exercise linked (in that i wasn't able to last week) and am slowly reading through the IPD book too. there just aren't enough hours in the day!

thanks again BIWI for the timely encouragement and the threat of the big stick - and for the reminder to vary the recipes (though i have just made teaandthorazine's broccoli and stilton soup for the third time - yum!)

hope everyone has a good start to the week smile

LavenderBriggs Mon 20-May-13 09:24:27

Thank you thanks Mum has cut out bread and potatoes as she sees me bouncing around with tons of energy and aforementioned waist.

In our very early days DH used to serve me up big meals, even when I'd asked for smaller portions, so I just left what I couldn't eat - it was the only way of showing him that I really wanted a smaller portion. Sometimes the words don't go in and there has to be a practical demonstration.

toomuchtoask Mon 20-May-13 09:27:24

I am down to 199! Still a huge way to go but I'm now below 200lbs which feels great!

I was less than this a couple of days ago but put on 2lbs over the weekend. Not sure why. I have felt bloated too. I think I'm going to only weigh once or twice a week now as I find I analyse it all too much.

I am having trouble with the spreadsheet but have managed to add the new weight. Not sure if anyone else is having the same bother but the cells don't seem to line up right.

bertieboo Mon 20-May-13 09:31:47

Have added myself to the spreadsheet and am looking forward to embracing WOE.
Have added a fat photo of me to my fridge and hope that it encourage me in my weight loss.

BigStickBIWI Mon 20-May-13 09:36:33

Well done, toomuchtoask! flowers If you're feeling bloated, try upping the water for a bit.

Yoghurty Mon 20-May-13 09:38:30

Checking in for week 4 and have updated the spreadsheet. 1lb down.
Happy with that.

B- Greek yoghurt with cream and flax
L- leftover cauliflower chowder
D- Pulled pork w/ hm coleslaw and cheesy skillet 'bread'

Will find time to add chowder and 'bread' recipes to the recipe thread at some point!

LackaDAISYcal Mon 20-May-13 09:39:37

Back from the land of lurgy and signing in again, ready and raring to go smile. The damage isn't too bad, as though I ate some stuff I shouldn't and had lots of lempsips and throat lozenges, I did broadly stick to low carb principles!

My shape has changed already though; I've gone in a notch on my belt! And that's only with a few pound off.

B: Buttery scrambled eggs, big drink of water.

BigStickBIWI Mon 20-May-13 09:41:48

Glad you're feeling better, LackaDAISYcal

happy birthday jax!

BlackAffronted Mon 20-May-13 09:44:55

Biwi, I know low carb isnt usually expensive, but when I say we are broke, I mean really broke. We are usually ok with money, so no idea how we have ended up this way this month sad I am hoping my local shop has some reductions as I dont even have the bus fare to go to the supermarket.

Lunch will be ok, I have some frozen cauli/broccoli, so will make some soup with that. Im usually too snobby to use frozen veg blush. That should cover a couple of meals.

Thanks for all the advice though, Ill get through this one way or another smile

BlackAffronted Mon 20-May-13 09:47:21

I have £19 to feed 5 of us for 2/3 days - any advice? I have no idea how to stretch it as I have never been so poor before shock. Well, not since my student days and I would have lived on beans on toast with cider for a fortnight grin

BlackAffronted Mon 20-May-13 09:50:12

Lavender, I hope your mum recovers well thanks

Queen, you really shouldnt let your DP make food choices for you! Make yoruself something else while he has his fish pie. A nice salad with homemade coleslaw & some niace ham maybe?

BlackAffronted Mon 20-May-13 09:51:41

Welcome Bertie! and woohoo to all the losers smile

BlackAffronted Mon 20-May-13 09:52:11

Whats cauliflower chowder?

toomuchtoask Mon 20-May-13 10:01:44

I have £19 to feed 5 of us for 2/3 days - any advice? I have no idea how to stretch it as I have never been so poor before shock. Well, not since my student days and I would have lived on beans on toast with cider for a fortnight

I would get a lot of veg as this is cheap. You can make soup which would last 2-3 meals with bread for the carb eaters. You could also get a chicken and have chicken and veg. If you can afford salad too then packed lunches could be bits of left over chicken and salad. A box of eggs could be breakfast. I think this would be doable with £19 as veg can be done in a few pounds.

snowballinashoebox Mon 20-May-13 10:21:54

Morning everyone and lovely to see all the losses, can't believe we are in week4 already.
I am up 1lb today and have been yoyoing, gaining 2 losing 1, gaining 1 all week. However it has been my time of the month so I guess that has a lot to do with it.

Still feel mega positive, skin is lovely due to all the water which helped water down several glasses of weekend red.

Well 2 glasses of red and 3 Poppets obviously don't agree with me! 1lb gain sad

Hi all. Updated spreadsheet with my gain. Am now back up to 207 rather than 205.6. Annoying. But my own fault.

Have a rotten cold and allergies so feeling bleurgh as well.

Struggling with water at the moment. Have finally measured how much our big glasses hold - 400ml. So I think I need to drink around 9 a day. Will start ticking them off on the fridge.

About to do meal plan and supermarket shop for the week.

Forgot painter was coming this morning to redo all of our yellow gloss that should be white. So have had to empty airing cupboard and need to empty spare room etc. Have been dreading this so have been in denial.

Blackaffronted - sorry you are struggling. It sounds miserable.

Queen - if you really want to do this then you are going to have to have a serious talk with your DP.

Well done to all losers btw. Hopefully I will be posting a loss next week. Nothing on horizon here that is likely to prove a temptation so am planning another week of bootcamp and will see if I lose. Then might switch to bootcamp light next week.

LackaDAISYcal Mon 20-May-13 10:39:12

Just updated the spreadsheet and I managed to STS inspite of myself grin

DS has just done his Yr6 SATs and requested sushi for his apres sats dinner, so I ate a tonne of exceptionally deliscious home made sushi yesterday. Well, not quite a tonnes, but boy did I feel bloated after the rice. It didn't feel good actually. Lesson learnt!

Black; get thee to ALDI. Free range chicken for a fiver, lots of veg. Chicken with roasted veg (and tatties for the carbies), use the carcass and more veg to make some soup for the next day, and they have nice continental meats and cheeses, and 15 free range eggs cost 2.20 ish.

I did a shop for a family of five for a week there last week and it came to £65, and we have still got half of the meat I bought left.

caramelwaffle Mon 20-May-13 10:43:30

Good morning everyone.

A really carb and alcohol heavy week for me last week.

Todays brunch will be bacon/sausage/egg and a couple of strawberries.

Drink today will be 2-4l of water.

Yoghurty Mon 20-May-13 10:45:36


I will add the recipe to the thread soon, but basically it's a thick, cheesy/creamy 'soup' with crispy bacon and spring onion bits in it (I know technically chowder should have shellfish in- I bet added clams would be AMAZING)

I'll write the recipe out

BlackAffronted Mon 20-May-13 10:49:01

thanks toomuch and lacks. I dont have an aldi but do have a lidl thats about a 30 min walk!

the chowder sounds lovely smile

Queen of Dreams I am rooting for you. I want to say, though it feels quite direct/rude: Don't let your DP control what you put in your mouth!

I am vegetarian and DH absolutely-red-blooded meat-eater so as long as we've been together we adjust the menu so that we eat together but different meals. So this is no different. Imagine my DH insisting that I ate meat because that's what he had bought! No-one would think that reasonable for a vegetarian even if they did think it was an unhealthy way of eating.

So - cook for yourself if DP won't co-operate. LC suppers can be quick and easy and not mess up the other person's cooking. Eg, salad with cold meat or smoked salmon or cheese or egg mayo or tuna mayo. Eg veg with fried meat. Asparagus spears with butter, Scrambled eggs. Omelette.

Ask him not to buy food for you on the on-line shopping, find a lunch-time while you're at work and go to the shops yourself for the bits you need.

The subject of whether its healthy or not is closed, you can always tell him its only for a temporary number of weeks so it won't damage you in that time. (Though personally I feel so well on this woe I think it is healthier than all the carbs crashes and cravings)

Good luck, take control, we are with you.

BlackAffronted also want to say I am thinking of you with the £19 challenge. I have no idea how I would do that. Are there any tins at the back of the cupboard/frozen food you can improvise with. Good luck.

Yoghurty Mon 20-May-13 11:01:06

Cauliflower ‘Chowder’

Feeds 4- generously

1 head cauliflower
1.5 Litres Chicken stock
2 banana shallots
1 Ball mozzarella
1 Cup of cream (approx half a medium tub)
1 cup grated cheddar (or generous handful)
1tsp garlic powder/granules
Salt and pepper
Bacon lardons
5/6 Spring onions- chopped

Slice the shallots and sweat in a pan with a generous knob of butter and a splash of OO to stop the butter burning.

Once the shallots have softened, add the cauliflower florets and fry them until they have achieved some colour. Add the chicken stock and simmer until the cauliflower goes soft.

With a potato masher, mash the cauliflower in the stock (be careful of the hot liquid!) You should only need to do this by hand and you do not want it smooth- you want small chunks of the cauliflower intact to keep it thick.

Add the cream then simmer and stir until it is incorporated into the stock. Add the cheddar and stir until it is melted. Chop up the mozzarella into small chunks and add it to the pan. Season with S&P.

In a small frying pan, fry the bacon lardons and until crispy and brown then add the chopped spring onions.

Ladle the chowder into bowls and either sprinkle the bacon/onion mixture on top or stir though.

Yoghurty Mon 20-May-13 11:02:44

Meant to say, this is super cheap.

I use sainos basics cauli, bacon lardons (£1.09) and mozzarella ball (55p).

Yoghurty Mon 20-May-13 11:04:39

Oops! Add the garlic powder before you mash!

BigStickBIWI Mon 20-May-13 11:05:34

Aw, Black, that sounds really tough. sad

I guess it's time to raid the cupboards and the freezer! Don't be snobby about frozen veg though, it's often surprisingly good. Frozen whole leaf spinach is amazing.

£19 for 3 days is just over £6 a day. Does that have to cover all meals or are you just talking about evening meals?

A couple of cheap and (reasonably) low carb meals:

Veg curry (you could always bulk everyone else's out with extra pulses as well as giving them lots of rice)

Egg-based dishes - the frittata would be a good one. One dish we had a lot when I was a child was eggs mornay - hard-boiled eggs, halved, with a cheese poured over the top, then baked in the oven (grated cheese on top) till the cheese browns. Obviously not great for you, but you can do the same except spoon some natural yoghurt over your eggs, then top with grated cheese and bake in the same way

kiwigirl42 Mon 20-May-13 11:16:05

sorry to everyone who is struggling at present or have sick relatives. I hope things improve quickly

I've just weighed myself (on week 3 as started one week behind) and I've lost another 2lb so have lost 9lb in total so far. Really pleased.

My DH is very supportive but I didn't tell him I was eating this way for first week as as soon as he thinks I am on a diet he starts buying me weird shit and worries that I am missing out. Like a litre of cottage cheese! and huge bunch of grapes!
So we've had a chat (again) and I've told him just to buy Total. Only Total. <grin>

had a bad day yesterday bawling about my migraines so this has really pleased me. feel fine today about migraines by the way - back to normal fucked off mode ;0)

KatoPotato Mon 20-May-13 11:19:12

Thanks to LilyAmaryllis for pointing me in the right direction! - pasted from old thread:

Hi everyone.

Okay, I'm taking the plunge and would love to join. I've lost 4.5 stone so far through calorie reduction and exercising 5 times per week but I've stalled! big time!

But I'm a lazy mare when it comes to cooking and often succumb to convenience, would a supermarket jar of thai curry sauce that has 7g of carbs per 100g be really bad if i made with chicken?

I know sweet treats are my downfall and my MFP is peppered with biscuits and chocolate and peanut butter...

Can you do low carb if you're a lazy cook? Do i have to give up pepsi max??

QueenofDreams Mon 20-May-13 11:22:52

Thanks for the support everyone.

lily going to the shops for my bits is not an option for several reasons:
1. I have no money in my account - I don't work and DP gives me a little each month but not enough to be able to feed myself!
2. I don't drive and we have no supermarkets in easily walkable distance, which is why we do internet groceries in the first place.

I will try and works something out with this though. It's just that DP is totally fixed into the conventional wisdom when it comes to diet. I was too until about 3 months ago when I started reading on all this. Nothing will change his mind that this is 'faddy eating' though. I was talking to SIL about food a couple of weeks ago, and he heard me say 'fat keeps you fuller for longer' and said 'fat keeps you fatter for longer' in response. He also holds the charming view that 'men don't bother with stupid diets, if they need to lose weight they just eat less' hmm ( I don't believe that for a moment)

SIL was complaining to me that she's been restricting how much she eats. She says there's no way she can eat any less than she is at the moment, but she's not losing weight. DP just thinks she's obviously not eating as little as she thinks she is.

Bessie123 Mon 20-May-13 11:31:57

I have sts this week, although I really didn't deserve to.

blackaffronted sorry to hear you're having a tough time. Xx

BlackAffronted Mon 20-May-13 12:12:54

Managed to get a whole chicken for £2.25! Im now going to be one of those people who make 16 meals from one chicken grin no idea how though!

The money is for 3 main meals, plus lunch for just me. I have a few eggs, some frozen veg and a small amount of cheese so breakfasts are covered. Theres tins of carby stuff I can feed the others, plus lentils.

I think as long as I keep my carbs under 60g, as per Dr Clarke, rather than strict bootcamp, I should come out the other end ok smile

Welcome Kato! Huge well done on your weightloss so far. That sauce would be ok if you used it sparingly & topped up with coconut milk. I have thai curry now & again usng a jar.

Queen, Im sorry to say your DP sounds a bit too controlling sad Do you have children? Also, did you know you can adde xtras to your online shop even after you have submitted it? wink up until the evening before delivery I believe!

BlackAffronted Mon 20-May-13 12:13:38

Yog, that chowder sounds lovely!

Kato: Lazy cook - yes no problem. Pepsi Max - no you can't!

The rules are here: www.mumsnet.com/health/diet-and-fitness/low-carb-bootcamp

QueenofDreams! OMG no money. This makes me feel shocked and upset. He doesn't give you enough money or your freedom of choice.

welcome kato!

sorry, lily's right about the pepsi max - have a look here for a good reason why you should give it up (among others)

re "lazy" cooking, technically jarred sauces that have a low enough number of carbs per portion (do check this, and as blackaffronted says you can make it go further to reduce the carbs per portion) would be ok, but they can contain lots of artificial ingredients, added sugar or sweeteners, wheat etc and the aim of bootcamp is to reduce this if you can. that said, i happily use bought mayonnaise!

have you had a look at the recipe thread for ideas - most are pretty easy

Bessie123 Mon 20-May-13 12:55:49

queenofdreams I have been trying to mind my own business but I keep thinking about you and your husband. I didn't understand why it matters whether he agrees with low carbing - surely if you want to have low carb food in the house you can have it, whether he thinks you will lose weight or not. If he fancied a ready meal lasagne, would you refuse to let him have it? I think it's much the same thing; regardless of whether you agree over the health benefits, as an adult you are allowed to choose what you eat. Do you do any of the cooking at home? Could you ask him to buy fresh food that you will cook from scratch? It would make it easier to eat low carb. Sorry, I'm sure someone has suggested all this already.

HeirToTheIronThrone Mon 20-May-13 13:00:55

Ooh, cauliflower chowder looks AMAZING - might give it a go at the weekend. Can you use frozen cauliflower as I've got tonnes of it...

I'm not sure about 16 meals Black, but three from a big chicken is doable - one roast with veg etc, one stir fry using leftover meat and other bits (carbers can add rice/noodles) and then use the carcass for a big soup, which you could have for lunch too.

I have a very odd end-of-fridge lunch - pate on cucumber slices, a hard boiled egg, and some pretty tired lettuce shredded up with a dollop of mayo...

KatoPotato Mon 20-May-13 13:01:41

Thanks guys!

I've taken the plunge, finished my can of pepsi max, and added myself to the spreadsheet.

I prefer to weigh on a friday, would that still be added to the following Monday or should I just change that day as well? - My scales are linked to MFP by wifi... it's scary!

So far for breakfast I've had a protein shake - but it has 10g of carbs... have I blown it?

newlark Mon 20-May-13 13:06:38

Signing in on the new thread - my weigh in day is Thursday but I am weighing every day to see the trend - this morning I am back up the 2lb I lost last week - I suspect in part due to yesterdays peanut butter sandwich blush - back on the low carb wagon this morning...

kato weigh in whenever you like tbh, quite a few people don't use monday as their weigh-in day because it doesn't work for them or because they started on a different day of the week. i tend to do a round-up of the 'biggest loser' at the end of the week, usually on a friday, but sometimes saturday or sunday if i forget i'm busy, so you might want to make sure you've recorded your weight on there before i do that, but otherwise there are no hard and fast rules on this one

KatoPotato Mon 20-May-13 13:10:31

Thanks again,

I do understand the point of this WOE, and I know whenever I eat anything carby or super sugary, I just feel hungry again in no time! Whenever I have a protein shake breakfast It fills me right up until lunch. I have to take a protein shake in the mornings after my workout as I do a lot of weight work now, but I'll look into a lower-carb alternative!

teaandthorazine Mon 20-May-13 13:15:41

Queen - I'm wary of adding to the chorus but... how come your dp gets to decide what you eat? He controls the money, and the food, you don't work or drive...massive apologies if I've got completely the wrong end of the stick here (I don't know if you've got eg small children at home!) but it sounds a bit...difficult?

colette Mon 20-May-13 13:32:11

Your opening post definitely applies to me Biwi !
Have lost 0.5 lb so am pleased as I know I can do better. Have also been eating too much the same so will read thro' this thread - the economy recipes are really useful. Veggie friend coming to stay so will be looking out for lc ,veggie , easy , suits kids recipes - not much too ask hmm

captainmummy Mon 20-May-13 13:44:12

Kato - your scales are linked to MFP? How spooky! What does it do if you go up? Does it shout at you? or go all hurt?
And hungry-after-a-sugary-meal is the reason why we are all low-carbing - because that just doesn't happen ! (and I'm talking as someone who had to eat every couple of hours, beacuse i would feel faint, as a carb-queen)

Queen, I have to say, he does sounds rather a bit controlling. Why do you let him dole out 'a bit of' money to you, and tell you what you can eat? I know this is not the 'Relationship' thread, but you are a grown woman, and should be an equal in your partnershop.
I'd tell him that he is eating the fish pie (or whatever else high-carb he's bought) over 2 days, you are going to eat what you want.

But that's just me.

QueenofDreams Mon 20-May-13 13:46:42

Just to clarify:

We eat mostly fresh food made from scratch, but this fish pie is a bit of a family favourite and the kids demolish it
I generally do the food orders, but he sometimes does it if I haven't got my finger out and done it. This has happened this week
As for money, well we've been in a bit of a financial pit, and for a long while we couldn't afford for him to give me any money at all, now he gives me about £100 per month but that goes on allsorts (including some stops at the shop to pick up odd bits and bobs) I think we've been in financially dire straits for so long that I've developed a real fear of spending money!

Things are difficult, but partly because I've become quite low due to all the crap, and I'm struggling with it. hopefully things are turning around now, just hope we don't get made to move house again because that would just kill us.

Anyway, going to stop moaning now smile

Just had a lovely soup. we're a bit low on foodstuffs, but I managed to cobble something together.

captainmummy Mon 20-May-13 13:47:45

BlackAff - well done on getting a chicken, that's exactly what i was going to suggest! I'd roast it for one meal with veg and potatoes for the non-LCers, then pick that carcass and make stock for soup.
Day 2 I'd make thin egg-omellettes and use to wrap the leftover chicken, with veg or mushrooms if you have them. Cover with cream/cheese sauce and serve with veg.
Day 3 - soup from the stock, with a few bits chicken in, and bread. Bulk out with lots of veg. Noodles in for the non-LCers.

BigStickBIWI Mon 20-May-13 13:50:52

Kato - welcome!

Ditch the protein shake. That's way, way, way too carby for Bootcamp. And you should be getting most of your carbs from veg/salad.

Kato - I use protein shakes too (gettin hench! Lmao) I use bio synergy 100% whey which is pretty free of crap and 4g carbs per serving, a bit carby for this woe. I only use them post training though to keep carbs down.

ZimboMum Mon 20-May-13 14:04:59

Just signing in to new thread. 2lbs up but hoping its just the 3/4/5 week thing and will sort itself out. Considering doing uberbootcamp for three days just to boost things a bit.

B: Bacon and eggs
L: salad with cucumber, 2 cherry tomatoes, mozarella and avocado with mayo
D will be: chicken thighs roasted with celeriac chips and some other veg.

KatoPotato Mon 20-May-13 14:18:05

Thanks for the recommendation bulletwithbutterflywings I lift 3 x per week in the mornings. I'm following the New Rules of Lifting For Women - Getting Hench too! My trainer suggested cutting carbs as part of this so I'll speak to him, and I'll look into the bio synergy!

QueenofDreams Mon 20-May-13 14:39:50

Ok, turned out DP hasn't finished doing an order. And there's no fish pie on there anyway confused Anyway, doing it now

Is Turnip very carby? or ok. Can't seem to get swede on ocado for some reason.

captainmummy Mon 20-May-13 14:42:40

Turnip is fab! I slice thinly, cover with cream and bake - its like a potato dauphinoise except better!!!!!

captainmummy Mon 20-May-13 14:43:42

Queen - look at Katos post. Her trainer has suggested cutting carbs! Stick that at your dp!

QueenofDreams Mon 20-May-13 14:45:30

ooh thanks Captain, think I'll order some. I've ordered beef brisket, looking forward to trying that. going to pot roast it.

QueenofDreams Mon 20-May-13 14:46:39

bah humbug can't get turnips either. dammit.

Yoghurty Mon 20-May-13 14:47:59

Heir- yes, you can absolutely use frozen cauli- just work out how many florets would make up a head, iyswim

Get celeriac Queen, its lush roasted or dauphiniosed (sp!?!)

WhyIRayLiotta Mon 20-May-13 14:48:51

2lbs off this week. That's 5lbs since starting bootcamp. I really want to lose another 3lbs before the end of the month when I've a girly weekend away booked.

QueenofDreams Mon 20-May-13 14:50:19

yeah bullet I've ordered that already. Seems ocado's range of root veg is sadly limited sad I'll try it dauphinoised I think. DP not keen on celeriac mash, he likes to add potato to it to tone down that celery flavour.

captainmummy Mon 20-May-13 14:52:36

I did Tescos this morning - and can't get cereriac or turnips (well there were 2-3 turnips but withered old balls they were)

Had to get savoy cabbage, cauli, white cabbage and swede instead!

If he likes it with potato just take you portion out before adding potato smile

NewStartNewStory Mon 20-May-13 14:58:18

It's end of season for some of these veg.

Struggling today. My own fault: vodka, 2hrs sleep, not eating breakfast until 11am, 3 cups of coffee (one was at least decaff), recipe adapting and testing for the carb eating people in the house not eating the stuff though!!

Just eating lunch. Salad. Was a bit heavy with the cheese and topped it with egg mayo. Hopefully this fat intake will help hmm

Various versions of pizza for tea. Should be fun hmm but a nice treat. And an early night planned. Really really needed, whether or not it will happen is another matter.

LavenderBriggs Mon 20-May-13 15:07:45

<rushes in> Thank you for kind words. We're being very, very positive.

Quick question - for my Open University module I'm working on an essay on sports nutrition. I want to say "sugar is 100% carbs and has no nutritional benefit" but I can't find a proper academic reference for it - any ideas?

As a quid pro quo - here's my cous cous substitute. Grate a celeriac, add loads of ground coriander, ground cumin, some cinnamon, sweet paprika and sumac, put it all in a microwaveable bowl and cook for 5-6 minutes. Chuck in a great big knob of butter and eat with minty salad or lamb chops or lamb burgers.

BlackAffronted Mon 20-May-13 15:12:56

Thanks for all the budget-cooking ideas. Im sure we willmanage to eat fine fo rthe next few days, and I will just look forward to having steak ect next week grin

lavender - try looking up articles by robert lustig, or if you have access to his book 'fat chance: The bitter truth about sugar' he references lots of articles in that

lavender hopefully the OU gives you access to plenty of subscription journals? this article looks like a place you could start : www.nature.com/nature/journal/v482/n7383/full/482027a.html, you can see the references here

LavenderBriggs Mon 20-May-13 15:42:39

Ooh! Thank you. As my French friend says, I kiss your face.

I was getting things like this Mineral Leaf Composition of Sweet Sorghum in Relation to Biomass and Sugar Yields under Different Nitrogen and Salinity Conditions from my searches.


NewStartNewStory Mon 20-May-13 16:07:12

Ooo fancy linking that Lavender? <wanders off in a geek happiness daze>

middleagedspread Mon 20-May-13 16:17:07

Does anyone get a real carb craving when they're feeling tired?
I'm desperately trying not to have a slice of the cake that's just come out of the oven with a big cup of tea.
may have had half a bar of G&B 85% & a giants handful of Macadamias-

LavenderBriggs Mon 20-May-13 16:34:53

Haha! I'm not going back to that page - it nearly made me cry the first time (I don't know where else it could be found - I use the OU library for everything).

middleagedspeed - step away from the cake. Have a glass of water. And eat a bigger lunch - that stopped afternoon hunger pangs for me (this might not help you this afternoon, but we're moving away from short-term fixes).

WestleyAndButtockUp Mon 20-May-13 17:16:47

Losing weight, but eating too many raw almonds when hungry.

sybilfaulty Mon 20-May-13 17:50:50

Didn't weigh this am as overslept and no time. Well done to all the losers. I'll weigh tomorrow.

EwanHoozami Mon 20-May-13 17:58:23

Marking place - hopefully I'll get time later to post some Low Carb Low Cost recipes. I kept a record of them for a while when I was particularly skint but determined to keep on LC. Turned out to be quite easy once I got out of the 'must buy hunks of lamb / beef / chicken' mindset.

Tonight's dinner is pennies for a start - Chicken Liver Curry (YUM)

Well done to all the losers and STS'ers.

back in a bit smile

bettybigballs Mon 20-May-13 18:05:47

Can completely new people join in? I want to shift half a stone and LC has worked very well for me in the past.

Very inspirational thread.

BigStickBIWI Mon 20-May-13 18:07:41

Of course you can join in! Welcome smile

kiwigirl42 Mon 20-May-13 18:23:38

Hi Bettybigballs - get on those scales and jump in.

just had chicken curry and fried mushrooms for tea. was nice. Coconut cream + tomatoes seems to be very carby for what it was (used coconut cream and tomatoes for sauce) so will perhaps use coconut milk next time as think thats lower carb.

Tigglette Mon 20-May-13 18:36:03

Good to see so many folk still posting and trying to get on top of things. I've STS this week but had such good losses the first two weeks I've been expecting it so onwards and downwards. I'm travelling for work this week so meals aren't in my control entirely but I'm confident I can manage to stick to it.

B. yoghurt and ground almonds
L. Cheese and chicken left overs
D. Steak and onions and mushrooms with salad

B - bulletproof coffee
S - protein shake post training
L - smoked salmon and avocado with rocket salad and hm vinaigrette
D - coconut and ginger pork with cauli, mange tout and green beans.
And buckets of water!

Marking place - 2lbs off for me!

So pleased you are back in charge of the shopping Queen!

robino Mon 20-May-13 19:44:52

Just signing in! Stayed the same this week - could someone put it on the spreadsheet for me? Am lacking access to laptop at the moment!

Not disappointed by staying the same; I put on the frock I bought last year that looked terrible on and quickly got designated to being my "pool dress" and it is looking much better!

maidofmuss Mon 20-May-13 19:49:20

Evening all! Well done to all those who've lost or STS, and hugs and sympathy to anyone struggling at the moment. Wishing your mum better soon, Lavender, and hoping you're money worries get sorted soon Black.

So, so tired today – no idea why as I've been following bootcamp. Felt a bit like the first few days, with no energy and headachey. Any suggestions from seasoned bootcampers for how to boost energy much appreciated. Maybe I'm still not drinking enough water...
Today mostly leftovers:
B smoked salmon and cream cheese wraps
L leftover chicken breast (with skin) chopped up with celery, cucumber and a few radishes in full fat mayo
D leftover celeriac mash/spring greens made into a frittata (with chopped up spring onion and sprinkle of parmesan). Not too bad – and very filling

Bought huge half price gammon ham in Tesco on way home. Cut in two and boiled pieces with bay leaf, chopped up carrot, celery, onion and some marigold. Just finished off in oven with dry mustard (and sprinkle of brown sugar – will cut that bit off) crust. Looking forward to slice for breakfast in the morning! Also got some pork to make a pork and mushroom strogonoff later in the week (obsessed with food, me?)

BigStickBIWI Mon 20-May-13 19:51:25
bettybigballs Mon 20-May-13 20:00:06

not so fabulous weight entered into the fabulous spreadsheet, a bulk load of omelette wraps cooking away, chicken poaching on hob, AND I'M OFF!

only started at lunchtime so had an omelette for lunch and having meatloaf (v low carb, luckily), roasted cauli and buttered cabbage.

Thanks for having me. smile

ZimboMum Mon 20-May-13 20:05:01

Has anyone followed the 12 min resistance training regime from John Briffa's book with any success? Seriously non-sporty but trying to up my walking where I can. Thought to try add these 12 mins in as well, but not sure if I would be better doing something else with that time?

i really really wanted a pizza flavour this evening but couldn't be arsed with making low carb pizza base etc. so i steamed broccoli and cauliflower, put it in a dish and topped with a few teaspoons of passata, mozzarella and oregano and stuck in the oven until melty and golden and bubbling

all the flavours were there, but without the stodge

maidofmuss sorry you're feeling knackered, you could be coming down with something, or perhaps hormone cycle?

water might help, plenty of fat too of course. maybe you just need an early night?

Yama Mon 20-May-13 20:24:24

Taste Sensation Alert!

I bought Parlick Fell sheep's cheese from Sainsburys for dairy free ds and it is lovely. Poor lad isn't going to get a look in.

0% carbs and without the lactose of cow's cheese.

maidofmuss Mon 20-May-13 20:25:03

You're probably right, Willie – not been sleeping brilliantly last few nights. Also realised a few mins ago, I bought low fat Philly instead of full fat so my smoked salmon wraps were not as they should be this am so that could have made a difference!

Doshusallie Mon 20-May-13 20:29:29

Lavender love to your mum, hope she is doing well.

B - 2 hb eggs
L - slices of Edam, on slices of ham with a lettuce leaf and coleslaw inside all rolled up x 3
Tea - chicken cooked with broccoli, and leeks, and peas although picked most of them out, with cream cheese

Snacks - pkt pork scratchings, 1 hb egg 2 glasses of red

Doshusallie Mon 20-May-13 20:30:16

Oh and 1 teaspoon of PB which I can't stay away from

Doshusallie Mon 20-May-13 20:37:55

Respect to Ewan for chicken livers....envy. (That's a vom not envy btw)

B - bacon
D - homemade cheese burgers on BBQ, lettuce, cucumber mayo
Didn't have lunch but picked at 2 low carb chipolatas and a lamb steak, some cheese with butter and a small tomato.

Not enough veg today for various reasons, will improve tomorrow, but also feeling a bit rubbish (sore throat) and going to bed now to read! Also nearly considered take away pizza for a crazy five minutes, but pulled myself together....

decaffwithcream Mon 20-May-13 20:59:13

B - small cup lidl yoghurt, omlette with spinach, serrano ham grated cheese, cucumber and mayo

L - out. cheese and coleslaw and brocolli. Only option.

D - pan-fried pieces of smoked coley in butter with courgette ribbons, added cream, spinach and grated cheese on top. That was lush. All the tastes of a chowder but more substantial than a soup.

S - salmon pate and cucumber rolled in thin slice of some strange cheese. lidl yoghurt.

Rough day. The extent of my cheating so far has been 2 squares of dark chocolate 2 weeks ago and 1 square last week but I really wanted some good dark chocolate today. Or just to be able to pick something readymade up in the cafe without having to ask for different things. STS but have STS for the last 16 days so expected that. It would be a surprise if the bloody scales moved even a quarter of a pound at this point. Clothes looser though and visible difference in body.

HeirToTheIronThrone Mon 20-May-13 21:10:01

Amazing dinner tonight - chicken thighs roasted with lovely crispy skin, celeriac puréed with a splash of double cream and shredded cabbage blanched then tossed in garlic butter. Yum yum yum. Just tried on my dress for the important party in June and it's quite tight so need to put in some mega effort.

MrsFlorrick Mon 20-May-13 21:11:47

Evening all.

Oh it all started off so well today but ended badly so

B: mushroom omelette.
L: tinned sardines in oil with avocado and lettuce drizzled in truffle oil.
Pre-dinner (5pm with the DC): an ENTIRE Comte cheese (200g). Argh.
D (7:30pm with DH): cod with butter and parsley en papillotte with broccoli spears and wilted watercress in butter and garlic.
And a couple of cheeky teaspoons of peanut butter.

And BIWI no I did not need to peanut butter or the whole cheese.
My youngst DC has started tantrums and awful behaviour and has also decided that sleeping at night should now be with interludes of running around your room naked screaming "cold cold cold". Because he is cold because he takes all his fecking kit off when he wakes in the night.

And yes it's making me eat cheese in large quantities.

In my defence (or the cheese defence) I did swim 2km in under 60mins in the pool as well this evening. Does that redeem me?

Bessie123 Mon 20-May-13 21:20:00

lavenderbriggs I just re-read the thread and must have missed your previous post about your mum. Great news she is feeling ok, I hope all continues well.

MrsFlorrick - that sounds challenging! But I am laughing at idea of naked toddler shouting about being cold! They are funny things!

Good day here although still feeling rubbish. Am in bed as am shattered.

B - egg mayo and ham
L - chicken with skin and salad with feta, asparagus, oil and mayo
S - Greek yoghurt, ham
D - beef stroganoff, leeks in butter
S cheese

Drank 6 glasses of water. About 2.4 lts.

Night all.

EwanHoozami Mon 20-May-13 21:38:22

grin the liver curry was a slightly bonkers, even eat-anything DH was a bit hmm

Anyway - Cheapness If anyone fancies any of these give me a nudge and I'll stick up some vague recipes.

- corned beef hash with swede
- smoked mackerel kedgeree with cauli rice
- sardine fishcakes
- oxtail and mushroom stew
- feta and courgette crustless quiche
- tinned tuna nicoise salad
- chicken thighs and drumsticks 'marinaded' in mayo and paprika, white wine vinegar and thyme
- spicy kidney and toasted almond salad
- omelette "cannelloni" stuffed with spinach, cream cheese and nutmeg
- soups! curried cauliflower, cream of swede, broccoli and stilton, egg-drop spinach, mushroom and tarragon, leek and turnip
- tinned salmon fritatta
- lots of great mince recipes (curried lamb mince, vietnamese-style pork mince etc)
- beef brisket chilli con carne
- soy and fivespice roast turkey thighs

Low carb = boring and expensive? Non non non!

plus the usual tips...

- buy reduced-shelf meat and freeze it
- grow your own salad on your windowsill
- discover Lidl
- keep leftovers and have them for breakfast and lunch
- fatty cuts of meat (lamb shoulder, pork belly etc) are cheaper. Slow cookers are great for them.
- meal plan

BigStickBIWI Mon 20-May-13 22:03:20

You are forgiven, MrsFlorrick grin

It could have been a whole lot worse!

My day:

B - Total ff yoghurt with vanilla
L - 2 boiled eggs (had to be something very quick between gym and osteopath appointment)
D - chicken, roasted with lemon and onion, celeriac mash with lots of butter and some wholegrain mustard, white cabbage, braised with onion and butter

Personal training session at the gym, so worked hard today.

MaryBeardfanclub Mon 20-May-13 22:09:35

B: 2 hb eggs with lots of butter
L: cauli puree, salmon cooked with butter, veg
S: big chunk of cheese, but not a whole one wink
D: prawn curry, cauli rice, sag paneer, yog with cucumber
well done one and all flowers

JaxTellerIsAllMine Mon 20-May-13 22:11:15

you are all very good today.

We had indian tonight (birthday meal) - and then cake. blush

But tomorrow is a fresh start and all will be fine. Ive said that a lot today. I did have a lovely crayfish and asparagus salad for lunch - but they put lime in my soda water and I got the sugar/carb shakes late afternoon, so drank loads of normal water and ate 2 babybel cheese, felt better after that.

Thats all I ate today, black coffee for B and glasses of water inbetween everything else.

Could have been worse.

couch25cakes Mon 20-May-13 22:15:36

I started today on day 1 week one, think I got it right.
I had
B- omelette with peppers and mushrooms, slice of bacon
L- chicken salad, just chicken, lettuce, oil and white wine vinegar
D- family had tacos, I had taco meat, sour cream, cheese, salad

And loads of water.
I will try to get onto the laptop tomorrow and log onto the spreadsheet.

BerylStreep Mon 20-May-13 23:25:34

Um, something weird has happened to the spreadsheet. There are only about 5 names on it.

Anyway, I was 90.8 this morning, which is 1kg down from last week.

CrabbyBigbottom Tue 21-May-13 00:24:32

Sorry to read of people struggling with family and financial circumstances. Hope things get and stay better. smile

3lbs off this week, so total of 9lbs in a fortnight.

I've totally hit a wall though - my body is rebelling. sad Felt a bit better today but have been feeling weak and exhausted and nauseous. The thought of eating the food I'm allowed is just not appealing, in fact the thought of eggs, meat, avocados, even my beloved cheese, makes me feel sick. The result is that I'm not eating enough. I'm hungry but have no appetite, if that makes sense. confused

Today's been better than yesterday, anyway, but my body is craving some carbs - muesli, buckwheat blini, beans. I think it's been something to do with having a very heavy period and being more physical activity than usual - I haven't got the reserves to deal with it and I feel exhausted, weak and tearful.

It took some supreme fucking willpower to turn down offer of birthday cake, then not snaffle the slices given me for the DD and friend, even when they left some little mouth-sized bites on the plate! angry Then to cap it off the friend's mum very kindly bought me a cake as a thank you for having her, which I said no to in such a vehement way that I fear I may have offended her. blush

Maid thanks for replying to me on the last thread. My usual salad has been some chicken or pork with avocado, feta cheese, salad leaves and garlic mayonnaise. Just haven't been able to stomach avocado,the last few days; usually I love it.

B/L - eggs mashed with bit of cheese and mayonnaise
S - slice cheese and olives
D - steak with asparagus, broccoli and celeriac dauphinoise
2x tea, 2x glasses red wine. Lots of water

No breakfast
L - leftover celeriac dauphinoise
D - stir fry of shredded cabbage and other veg with leftover chicken, in 5-spice mix
2x tea. Lots of water.

prettybird Tue 21-May-13 00:46:43

Marking place. smile

Someone keeps doing that beryl, I'll sort it when I get into work at 7

BigStickBIWI Tue 21-May-13 08:04:20

Crabby - sorry to hear that you're not feeling great. Well done for resisting the cake and carbs though.

If you don't fancy the food, don't eat it. No point making yourself sick. Just keep drinking the water so that you don't get dehydrated.

Heavy physical activity at the start of a low carb WOE can take it out of you, as you don't have the glycogen reserves and you aren't fully switched over to fat-burning. Perhaps give yourself a bit of a break from exercise or do something less taxing until you feel better.

And are you making sure that you're getting enough sodium/magnesium/potassium? It could be a sign of electrolyte imbalance. Are you using salt/adding salt to your food? Try making a drink with Oxo/Bovril or Marmite. Spinach and salmon (as well as avocado, although I see that you're sick of those!) are good sources of these important nutrients.

BigStickBIWI Tue 21-May-13 08:10:45

Some interesting information about sports drinks, electrolytes and a recipe to make your own, from lowcarbdiets.about.com:

"For people who's bodies are used to using carbohydrate for energy, it is helpful to have extra sugar during heavy exercise. But what about people on low-carb diets?

The issue of exercise with people who are restricting carbohydrates has not been extensively studied. Preliminary studies show that when people cut carbs, their bodies do change from using primarily carbohydrate for energy to using fat for energy, although it can take 2-3 weeks for the body to make this change. We know that native populations, such as the Inuit, who traditionally ate a very low-carbohydrate diet, were and are able to maintain vigorous endurance exercise for long periods without apparent ill effect. So it appears that over time, bodies adapt to using fat for energy during exercise.

For any one person, I think experimenting is in order. It's very unlikely that moderate exercise would make you need extra carbohydrate if you are used to eating a low-carb diet. For more vigorous workouts, try different amounts of carb and see how you feel. However, there's no reason to have to drink a sugary drink. Why not have a piece of fruit and get some nutrition with that sugar?


Electrolytes are molecules of certain minerals that have an electrical charge. Our nervous system runs on the electricity generated by the manipulation of these molecules, called ions. This means that every function in the body that is dependent upon our nervous system (muscle movement, breathing, digestion, thinking, etc.) requires electrolytes, and the body places a priority on managing them.

Electrolytes also are used to regulate the fluid balances in the body. Electrolytes include ions of calcium, magnesium, potassium, sodium, and chloride.

How do our bodies get electrolytes?

We get these minerals through the food we eat, and lose them through excretion in various ways. Our sweat contains sodium, chloride, and potassium. These minerals are common in food. Sodium chloride is table salt, and both sodium and chloride are found in many, if not most, foods. Potassium is found in a wide variety of fruits, vegetables, meats, legumes, and nuts.

How much sweating to we need to do before lost minerals need replacement? Under ordinary conditions, it's not a problem. Eating a balanced diet will supply the body with plenty of minerals for our electrolyte needs if we are getting a moderate amount of exercise. However, endurance athletes who exercise strenuously for long periods may need extra salt and potassium, as they can sweat quarts of water per day. Sports drinks contain small amounts of sodium and potassium.

Sodium - 8 oz of a typical sports drink contains 110 mg of sodium. This is the amount of sodium in a small pinch of salt. A teaspoon of salt contains 2300 mg of sodium, so basically you need 1/20th of a teaspoon of salt - not much! Half an ounce of salted peanuts (about 14 peanuts) has this much sodium, and also about 90 mg of potassium.

Potassium - 8 oz of a typical sports drink contains 30 mg of potassium. A cup of tea has 88 mg of potassium. A small peach has 150 mg. More high potassium low-carb foods

How to Make Low-Carb Sports Drink

It turns out that two tablespoons of lemon juice contain almost exactly the amount of potassium in 8 oz of a typical sports drink. So, if you want to make your own low-carb sports drink, it's quite easy. Just mix together:

1 cup (8 oz) water (not carbonated)
2 Tablespoons lemon juice
small pinch of salt
Flavoring and sweetener to taste

Flavoring Ideas:
Crystal Light Drink Mix
Unsweetened Kool Aid (with sugar substitute to taste)
Sugar-Free Flavored Syrups such as Da Vinci or Torino"

CrabbyBigbottom Tue 21-May-13 09:01:32

Thanks BIWI for all that information. smile I might try eating butter and marmite. Lots of soy sauce on my food last night, and I do take a calcium and magnesium supplement, along with a multi vit.

I'm cleaning and decorating, rather than exercising, but more activity for me than I'm used to. I think I've got rid of my glycogen stores and now I now I find I need them! If I feel really ill today again then I think I'll up the carbs a wee bit to get me through the week. Hopefully I won't though. Onwards and upwards!

BigStickBIWI Tue 21-May-13 09:03:08

If you are going to up your carbs, do it with extra veg rather than falling into the biscuit tin, though! grin

bertieboo Tue 21-May-13 09:12:32

All of you losers are such an inspiration! I can't wait to be a loser.
So day 1 down and I had an epic fail. It was all going so well.
B - 30g seed granola w coconut milk double espresso
L - salmon
D - homemade chicken tikka w cauliflower & leftover cabbage and pancetta.
At 10pm I meandered past the fridge, clocked fat photo of self and inhaled a chocolate cookie from Ben's (i e massive). It didn't touch the sides.
Feel revolted at my lack of will and self sabotage. Why do I always do this?
And this was after a "good day" where I had a personal training session and did an hours reformer Pilates. Want to blame my oncoming period but then I always find something to blame.....
Starting again today.

bertie, next time that happens, post on here, we will talk you down

what is seed granola?

BigStickBIWI Tue 21-May-13 09:57:29

bertie - how are you making your granola? What's in it? Is it really Bootcamp-friendly?

And what veg/salad did you have with your lunch?

It also doesn't look like there's a whole lot of fat in that day ...

AngieAir Tue 21-May-13 10:13:11

Further to my cake temptation problems I went over to a friends house yesterday afternoon. I knew there would be cake available. So I thought about how to circumvent the cake refusal issue and I made (thanks to a paleo/primal friend for the idea):

Dates stuffed with half a pecan, dipped in G&B 80% choc mixed with a little butter and a whole pecan on top. They looked very swish. I even put them in little cases.

I ate two, they were so rich I couldn't have managed any more. So dates have carbs but far fewer than a slice of cake. And I drove so I couldn't drink.

today's plan is plenty of water, start cutting down on milk in tea
B: mushrooms fried in butter, coffee with cream
L: salmon steak with avocado
D: burger and salad leaves
S: Greek yogurt

MrsCoyote Tue 21-May-13 10:13:56

I would like to join in if it is still possible.

I am quite impressed with the Bootcamp idea.
Last June I ate paleo and quite liked it and felt OK, but then holidays came and I completely lost it and forgot about it.
So now is the right time again.

Yesterday (day 1)
3 scramled eggs with butter
bacon and raddish
white cabbage with mayo and boiled egg

LavenderBriggs Tue 21-May-13 10:17:57

Morning. Thank you for the lovely thoughts and best wishes. Mum is doing amazing well. I've told her that I'll love her no matter how many boobs she has. Please make sure you all give your norks a good check over - picking problems up early can make a big difference thanks

If it helps anyone, I exercise in fat-burning mode. When I started I thought I had to have some carbs to burn, but that went out the window when I went for an early morning run on an empty stomach and felt fantastic - the energy was coming from my whole body, not just last night's dinner. If you're fat-burning, you're fat-burning, your body can cope with exercise. You carry around 2000 calories of glycogen in your muscles, when that's gone you can't instantly switch to fat-burning, you just hit a wall. You carry around 40,000 calories in fat - you're going to have to go on a very long run to burn all of those. It took me around 2 weeks to get it all sorted out.

Another point - if you deplete your glycogen through exercise you can replace the carbs by eating two apples. That's all. No huge bowls of pasta needed, two apples will replenish the carb store. That's if you're burning carbs, which we aren't - we're fat-burners grin

Good luck to all you lovely losers.

bertieboo Tue 21-May-13 10:33:17

BIWI the granola is pre packaged by a company called natural ketosis. They provide food packages to keep you under 40g carbs daily so you can get into ketosis and lose weight. Breakfast is my most stressful time of the day, so having an instant breakfast suits me.
It may not be boot camp friendly!
30g contains: pumpkin seeds 33%, sunflowers seeds 15%, dedicated coconut 11%, rolled oats mixed flax seeds 3%, sunflower oil, salt freeze dried raspberries 1.4%, freeze dried strawberries 1%, natural flavouring.
Even though 30g of the seed and berry clusters looks tiny, it does actually keep me going until lunchtime.

Re the salmon for lunch, as I was rushing from the gym, I ate one of the pre packaged kiln roasted salmons. So there were no vegetables. Is the salmon not fatty enought in itself to not need additional fat? Do I need to add a salad to it to fill me up?

Am enjoying reading what others have eaten during the day, and am drawing inspiration from some of the meal plans listed on the thread. in future I will definitely post when I feel a mad craving overcome me.

Have managed to drink at least 3l of water a day for the past week, and hope that by the end of the week my insane sugar and carbs cravings will have diminished.

Thank you for your support. I do beat myself up a lot and wonder why I don't have the will power others seem to have.

bertieboo Tue 21-May-13 10:36:48

Lavender, your post made me smile! Noorks will be my word of the day. Wonder how many times I can throw it into conversation.

couch25cakes Tue 21-May-13 10:37:16

is cocnut milk OK or a big no no -I'm at work and struggling to figure some things out. Also tinned tomatoes?
I want to use the pork mince I have in the fridge to make a kofta curry but am afraid of the coconut milk.

BigStickBIWI Tue 21-May-13 10:43:48

bertieboo - on a low carb WOE you are much less likely to need willpower as you shouldn't find yourself getting hungry in between meals. But the key to this is eating fat and protein - not carbs. If you ate a breakfast of, say, bacon and eggs, with some mushrooms fried in butter on the side, you would find that this would easily take you through till lunchtime without being hungry.

I'm worried about your breakfast being too carby (which will also mean you're more likely to get hungry mid-morning), and because of this it means that you aren't getting your carbs from veg/salad. It's also sweet, which isn't going to help you get rid of your sugar cravings! The whole point of the strict fortnight of Bootcamp is to break the addiction to carbs/sugar that we have.

The salmon is obviously a more fatty fish than, say, cod - but it's not that fatty and you really would have benefited from something like some veg with butter or a salad dressed with vinaigrette alongside it.

BigStickBIWI Tue 21-May-13 10:57:03

Welcome, MrsCoyote!

couch25cakes Blue Dragon coconut milk is 3.4g carbs per 100ml, which is 1/4 of a tin, so it's not too bad. Sainsbury's Basics chopped tomatoes (in a tetrapak carton) are 12g carbs for the whole carton.

So if you were to use a tin and pack, the total carbs would be 25.6g carbs - if you're making that amount for 4 people, then that's 6.4g carbs per person, which isn't too bad - depending on what other veg you're using, of course

KatoPotato Tue 21-May-13 11:05:47

Morning All!

My carb total for my first day was 31g... I wasn't hungry or craving nonsense at any point.

I had two thin cheese omlettes before I went to Body Pump and some chicken curry when I got back.

Thanks for that info Lavender I love the idea of fat burning!

couch25cakes Tue 21-May-13 11:10:50

Many thanks BIWI. I was going to just have some cauli and maybe cabbage with mine, and maybe some swede in the curry. Rice for the family.

Next question -I did this for a while last year and was quite into my cauliflower rice. Can someone remind me how long it needs to be microwaved for; I've totally forgotten.

KatoPotato Tue 21-May-13 11:22:31

Cauliflower rice??

decaffwithcream Tue 21-May-13 11:24:16

IIRC 8 minutes?

bertieboo Tue 21-May-13 11:26:03

BIWI - thank you for your post in response to my breakfast. Of course you are right, and that kick of sweetness, and crunch, in the morning definitely helps wake me up but the flip side is the carb craving mid morning, which I'm suffering from now.
I shall get up earlier and make myself a proper breakfast and make sure that if I'm out during the day I pack a lunch which a decent mix of proteins and salad.
Just need to get more organised!

bertieboo Tue 21-May-13 11:29:46

I found this recipe for cauliflower rice
Looks delicious!

BigStickBIWI Tue 21-May-13 11:55:35

bertie - quickest breakfast for me is scrambled eggs. Break eggs into bowl, beat, season, pour into pan with lots of melted butter, stir quickly for about 2 minutes and serve!

LavenderBriggs Tue 21-May-13 12:01:57

KatoPotato It's an amazing feeling. I can feel the energy coming from all of my body - it's as if the fat is being stripped out.

I started low-carbing in January, so I'm nearly 6 months down the line and I can honestly, honestly say that I don't miss sugar. I don't really think about it. I think about my three meals a day and that's it - snacking doesn't really come into my mind any more. I used to have reactive hypoglycaemia and I got shaky as hell, I even had to carry a bag of dried fruit around with me. It's all gone now. I sometimes get hungry, but never shaky.

colette Tue 21-May-13 12:05:33

Ewanh - would you pot recipes for:

corned beef hash with swede
- smoked mackerel kedgeree with cauli rice
- sardine fishcakes
- feta and courgette crustless quiche
- tinned tuna nicoise salad

please. Thanks for the tips

NewStartNewStory Tue 21-May-13 12:09:45

lavender that information about the glycogen stores and exercise was interesting.

I had my first long training session since restarting and bloody hell did i feel it. I did really well avoided all temptations for snacks during training and the coffee i had had NO sugar added to it and was surprisingly sweet enough. I was really proud of myself until I unthinkingly accepted a chocolate biscuit afterwards. Person who offered me it has been informed about the diet plan and has agreed not to offer me any more. It was habit rather then need to so really disappointed with myself tbh. Shocking training session too. sad

B (stupid o'clock): scrambled eggs, coffee 2 sweetners and milk
S: coffee with milk from machine, 1 chocolate digestive sad
L: bacon and egg at little cafe
1 ltr water drunk

Actually got some sleep last night but ds is very unsettled atm and was up a couple of times. looking forward to another early night tonight. Plan for tomo is to start making my coffee with just one sweetner. see if i can bare it.

LavenderBriggs Tue 21-May-13 12:15:52

NewStart I hope it helps a bit. I really struggled with the first couple of runs, but when the fat-burning kicks in it's the most incredible feeling - I felt as if I could just keep going. I wasn't even hungry when I got home. It's as if my body rewards me for feeding it what it actually needs.

Don't be upset about the biscuit - it's just a biscuit, and as you say, it's just habit, that will go. And skip the sweetener - that will slay your biscuit demon!

prettybird Tue 21-May-13 13:26:55

2lb off smile. Now into the "10 stone somethings" smilesmile at 10 stone 12lb.

Also very very close to "normal" BMI - now 25.3 smile

Next target is to get to "weight in 3 digits" - last time I was there was 4 years ago.

Last night had lovely pork steak fried in butter, with roasted asparagus (with olive oil and flaked Parmesan) and mashed celeriac (with butter and cream). My dad was over, so we did open a bottle of (very nice) Chenin. Had some strawberries and cream too - but no sugar for me.

Today I've had two boiled eggs and snacks of 2 brazil nuts and a mini pepperami. Lunch is going to be coleslaw, salami and Parma ham.

Meeting a friend in town tonight, so I'll just have to choose something low carb wherever she takes me.

BigStickBIWI Tue 21-May-13 13:29:18

Woo hoo! flowers

BigStickBIWI Tue 21-May-13 13:29:48

Lavender - I know what you mean about that feeling. When I've been running later in the day, after I've eaten, I actually feel weighed down, in a very odd kind of way.

HeirToTheIronThrone Tue 21-May-13 13:41:29

Prettybird that's amazing! You're very close to my target. I, however, am FAR from it... Still, good day so far - some greek yog and a cup of tea, and just had tuna and cucumber mayo wrapped in little gem leaves. Shepherds pie with swede topping for dinner I think.

ZimboMum Tue 21-May-13 13:55:11

Hi all,

B: 2 egg omelette in butter with herbs, one rasher bacon and handful grated cheddar.
L: Steak with 50g asparagus and 50g broccoli in butter with dollop of mayo
D will be: fish pie from recipe thread with cauli mash and maybe another veg

Have thought that I might count the carbs I actually eat for a few days just to see what sort of amount of carbs i'm actually eating. so calculated today so far
Eggs: 1g (working at 0.5g per egg) No carbs in bacon, butter and cheese.
0.7 g for asparagus
0.55g for broccoli
0.4g for mayo. No carbs in steak.
Making 2.65g so far. Guess dinner will be a lot more and will work it out later.

LackaDAISYcal Tue 21-May-13 14:00:53


Struggling to get back on track. Especially wrt to drinking enough water and not drinking diet pepsi.

foodwise, doing OK, but I had a couple of glasses of wine last night and some gummi bears.

B today was greek yogurt with some sunflower and pumpkin seeds
L lightly smoked salmon pan fried in butter, poached egg and salad
D will be spag bol sauce on courgette ribbons

My worst time is in the evening when I'm working, and usually pop sweeties whilst driving between clients. Really struggled last night with sugar cravings though. I know these will pass, but it is sooooo hard.

A friend of mine has lost a lot of weight low carbing, though she didn't follow any particular advice/diet. She was talking about it the other day, and said that she had read something that said for an hour a day you can pretty much eat what you want as long as you low carb the rest of the time. I was a bit hmm about that. Is she confusing the Zoe Harcombe regime that allows some carbs at one meal? Or is it
just that when you are in established fat burning mode, the odd carb doesn't do too much to set it back? I can't see that stuffing in carbs for an hour a day would result in anything other than weight gain? Can anyone shed any light on her comment?

zoe harcombe i think says that it's better to eat a whole box of chocolates in one go and get the insulin hit over with than eat a couple at a time spread over longer. that's all very well but sounds like a recipe for binge eating tbh - though i may well be misquoting her!

perhaps that's what your pal is talking about daisy? either way, if it's something that's being done on a daily basis it's not going to maintain steady blood sugar levels, and it won't help with cravings or hunger pangs, and i agree with you that for me it would just result in weight gain!

maidofmuss Tue 21-May-13 14:23:19

Although wd be lovely if true, suspect eating as much carb as you like in a one-hr window is a definite no-no on this WOE as explained BT BIWI at start of week 3....
Crabby - hope you feel better with it all soon. Some really great info from everyone that I will take on board too. I felt rubbish yesterday too but realise did def not drink enough water and did squeeze in day 1 shred in morning which knackered me (also my low-fat Philly mix-up didn't help...)
B. Gammon ham slice plus egg fried in butter
L hv just had work salad bar choosing low carb stuff (and hoping nothing too terrible hidden in dressings)
D will be salmon stir fry veg (with soy for salts)
Maybe a little slurp of G and T....

BigStickBIWI Tue 21-May-13 14:57:58

Right. <waves big stick in threatening manner>


You will NEVER break the sugar addiction at this rate, because you're still feeding it. And why on earth have you got sweeties with you? Stop buying them!

There are 58g carbs in 10 gummi bears!

I bet you have easily eaten around, if not more, than 10. So no wonder you are struggling.

Seriously. You know that sugar is what we're trying to avoid. Why are you doing this to yourself?

BigStickBIWI Tue 21-May-13 14:58:56

And my personal opinion about being able to eat what you want in a hour?


I hope that is succinct enough for you!

How can it possibly be true? What do you think your body does for that hour? Looks the other way? It's wishful thinking nonsense.

BigStickBIWI Tue 21-May-13 15:00:52
captainmummy Tue 21-May-13 15:08:59

looks the other way grin grin

Ok moving on... does anyone know where to get coconut oil from? my waitrose used to stock it, but ovbviously doesn;t any more - and there is no health food shop in town.

BigStickBIWI Tue 21-May-13 15:13:08

Sainsbury's sell it, if that's any help?

captainmummy Tue 21-May-13 15:19:35

No Sainsbos in the area, would have to make a special trip sad - but there is a Homebase there too smile!
I usually use the coconut oil in my Rooisbos tea (for breakfast - keeps me going til lunch) and lasted for about 6 months! What else can i use - how about that coconut cream solid stuff? Is it the same?

BigStickBIWI Tue 21-May-13 16:01:16

Coconut cream is hideously high in carbs.

JaxTellerIsAllMine Tue 21-May-13 16:09:12

oh really BIWI? I thought coconut cream was ok in this WOE? Better than coconut milk.

LackaDAISYcal Tue 21-May-13 16:18:12


They were in the car...and I only ate about that many, but still blush A lifetime of sugar addiction is hard to lose blush

Any suggestions for easy low carb snacks for when I'm working? I work from 5.30 till 11 and find that I get ravenous around 8-9pm. I usually have my main meal with the DC at 5pm before going out to work. In an ideal world, I would eat around 7pm but this isn't ideal.

It's worse at weekends as I start work at 3pm so eat about 2 and then have to go all night with only five minutes here and there to try and eat and drive at the same time.

QueenofDreams Tue 21-May-13 16:23:19

Hey all,

Ok, breakfast today was scrambled eggs and mushrooms fried in butter
Lunch - mushrooms and spinach in cream with salad
Dinner will be pot roast beef with some veg and gravy.

There is fish pie on the menu this week, but it hasn't got mash on it - it's got sliced potato, so should be quite easy to pick that off and just eat the fish and sauce

Don't think I've drunk enough water today though, must get to work on that!

LavenderBriggs Tue 21-May-13 16:25:47

BIWI - yep, know that heavy feeling. I think running on an empty stomach just stops my body from having to do too many things at once.

Lacka - this is what I take for snacks when I'm going to be out all day - cold low-carb sausages, chunks of cucumber and celery, wrapped cheese portions, hard boiled eggs, couple of nuts (not all at once). Or if I know I will be out I just bung an extra egg in my breakfast and that stops me worrying about snacks. Can you protect any time to sit down and have some of my list for a meal?

BigStickBIWI Tue 21-May-13 16:27:18

Oh no - sorry blush - coconut cream isn't too bad - it's creamed coconut that's really high in carbs. Although, I think that was probably what captainmummy was referring to, as she talked about the solid block.

For reference:

Creamed coconut - 22.1g carbs per 100g
Coconut cream - 1.8g carbs per 100ml
Coconut milk - 3.4g carbs per 100ml

All based on Blue Dragon branded stuff.

BigStickBIWI Tue 21-May-13 16:28:17

LackaDAISYcal - if you're getting hungry only 3 hours after you've eaten, it suggests that you're

a) not eating enough
b) not eating enough fat

What kind of meal are you eating at 5.00pm?

BerylStreep Tue 21-May-13 16:51:46

Captain, Asian supermarkets do jars of coconut oil, usually much cheaper than the main supermarkets.

Lacka, I also think your friend might be talking bollocks. Zoe Harcombe does say if you are going to cheat, do it all at once (as Willie says re the chocs), but she doesn't advocate it - it is more damage limitation.

Your friend may be thinking of James Duigan, who suggests having a proper cheat meal every week.

JaxTellerIsAllMine Tue 21-May-13 16:54:44

Phew! I have coconut cream in abundance.

CrabbyBigbottom Tue 21-May-13 17:08:57

I'm feeling better today thanks Maid and BIWI, but my back (chronic pain) is really bad and I'm worried about money and I'm finding it almost irresistible not to dive into a bottle of chilled white at 6 o'clock. Someone needs to hit me with a big stick... blush

B - smoked salmon chopped up in loads of creme fraiche with 'caviar'. Ultra- food-fussy DD is medium-carbing with me and she looooooves this breakfast!
L - mashed avocado (I can finally face them again!) with prawns, watercress and a squeeze of lemon
D - no idea yet.

Lacks - your friend may be talking about carb- backloading which is a technique/ woe used in bodybuilding.
You do a very extreme work out and then eat loads of sugary junk food. The idea is that your muscles are crying out for sugar and refined stuff is the most easily absorbed at that time. So in theory you make bigger gains. Somewhat confusing as traditionally its just protein that you need for muscle growth.
Its something I will be investigating further and probably trying when I get to goal.

LackaDAISYcal Tue 21-May-13 17:27:37

tonight I had spag bol, served over courgette ribbons cooked in butter. Mince was normal, not extra lean, and I added olive oil. There was onion in there, but only a teeny tiny one.

lunch was pan fried salmon, poached egg and leaves with home made french dressing.

I think perhaps it's more a case of boredom or habit. Will try drinking water to see if the hunger goes.

And don't hit me with that stick, but I save my one can of pepsi max for driving in the car at night. Could that be causing a sugar craving? Will knock it on the head I promise, and leave my wallet at home!

I'm on holiday next week so hopefully that'll help me break the habit.

captainmummy Tue 21-May-13 17:54:19

Ok I'm confused now - coconut cream is the stuff in a can, right? Coconut oil is the stuff ina jar, confusingly not oil at all abut solid?
Creamed coconut is the solid stuff in a box?

<wonders what she's been putting in her Rooibos for 6 months!>

MrsCoyote Tue 21-May-13 18:00:16

BIWI, is there a certain amount of carbs we shouldn't exceed? I mean with no cheating, just with "good" ingredients.
I think I eat lots of vegetables with my meals to feel full after meal (white cabbage, radish, cucumber...)

BigStickBIWI Tue 21-May-13 18:06:36

LackaDAISYcal - I hate to say it, but I really do think that you should be knocking the Pepsi Max on the head - especially if you're still having sugar/sweet cravings.

captainmummy - coconut oil is in a jar, white and solid at room temperature. Creamed coconut is the solid, white/waxy stuff in a box.

MrsCoyote - on Bootcamp, the whole idea is that we don't need to count or weigh anything; as long as you follow the rules, and only eat veg on the allowed list, and focus on eating those that are 3g carbs per 100g or less, then you will be fine. In terms of 'being full', if you're eating plenty of fat then this will take care of that. You don't need to pile up loads of veg to do this! (That would actually be too low in fat and protein and too high in carbs).

If you're feeling hungry between meals, this is a sign that you're not eating enough and not eating enough fat in particular.

crabby - I don't think hitting you with my big stick would really help though, would it sad Sorry you're in such pain. I'd have the wine

MrsCoyote Tue 21-May-13 18:20:03

Thanks for your advice, BIWI.
and focus on eating those that are 3g carbs per 100g or less is impotant.

BTW, how much fat is enough fat?
I ask because I think that my sence of fullness is somehow broken, I tend to eat quite big meals confused

couch25cakes Tue 21-May-13 18:32:52

Today was ok for me:
B- cucumber, Philly, pepper and ham
L- pork chop (fat on) and salad leaves, cucumber, pepper, dressing
D- pork kofta curry - pork mince, onion (I had two left over and will get shallots from now on) and seasoning, in a curry sauce made of spices, onion, coconut milk - yummy! Served with cauliflower rice and buttered broccoli.

NewStartNewStory Tue 21-May-13 18:34:12

Today i have eaten eggs. I don't actually want anything to eat. well i do but what i want is very very not allowed. And i really dont want anything that is allowed. I have, however, eaten.

Doshusallie Tue 21-May-13 18:42:29

Breakfast - 2 hb eggs
Lunch - last night's leftover chicken and veg with cream cheese, quite a small portion
Snack - pkt pork scratchings, lump of Brie, slice of ham wrapped in slice of Edam, teaspoon of PB (god I clearly snack waaaay too much when at home - London all day tomorrow which will knock that on the head)
Tea will be sausages with something

couch25cakes Tue 21-May-13 18:46:22

I'm travelling all day tomorrow and will need to think about what I can eat on the train so I don't slip up and buy something bad on a whim.

AuntieMaggie Tue 21-May-13 19:04:49

couch25cakes if you can get to m&s thy have loads you can pick up and take with you such as chicken pieces or king prawns with a dip.

blackaffronted could you amend some of the recipes by jack malone (the woman who feeds herself and son on a tenner a week?)

I'm annoyed cos I just noticed the last few posts I've written on these threads haven't posted!

Anyway I'm away with work (as usual) and there has been a bit of carb/alcohol creep so I haven't lost anymore weight. The m&s snack pack things have been a godsend for lunches but this morning I realised that as its an express hotel I'm in it only does cereal and toast for breakfast so I bought some blueberries to go with yogurt.

I know why I eat this way but it sometimes annoys me that I have to if that makes sense?

BigStickBIWI Tue 21-May-13 19:12:45

Travelling/being on-the-go makes it much harder, doesn't it, AungieMaggie? But M&S Simply Food helps - and there are more and more of them cropping up at various railway stations.

couch - things I buy from M&S when I'm travelling:

- individually wrapped portions of cheese
- salad bowl - in amongst the myriad of salad bowls there may occasionally be one that doesn't have pasta/potatoes/rice or noodles!
- cooked prawns (some of them have lovely dips, but check the carbs first)
- any sliced meats
- various tapas/antipasti - they all vary so check the carbs

The good thing is that there's usually plenty to choose from (although it may also end up costing you a fortune of course!)

BigStickBIWI Tue 21-May-13 19:14:44

MrsCoyote - no need to worry! If you're hungry, then eat. On this WOE you're looking to change what you're eating from carbs:protein:fat - which is what most people eat in the UK - to fat:protein:carbs

It's quite difficult to eat too much fat, as it is so satiating! Unlike carbs, which you can keep on, and on, and on eating.

NewStartNewStory Tue 21-May-13 19:28:34

I need an alternative to cheesey bread dough balls. Any ideas?

captainmummy Tue 21-May-13 19:34:08

What for, NSNS? Bread is difficult to sub

BigStickBIWI Tue 21-May-13 19:39:21

When are you eating them? What kind of occasion? What is it that you most like about them?

NewStartNewStory Tue 21-May-13 19:54:59

i love the texture and the melted cheese and that is all i really want to eat right now. Because i am hungry and i hate veg and I am tired and stressed and if I get one more bit of attitude/door slamming rage out of ds tonight i might just flip. And really food is just too much effort atm.

captainmummy Tue 21-May-13 19:58:11

Hate veg, hum? I was going to suggest broccoli with melted cheese, or celeriac fondant with melted cheese; - how about a egg-fritatta thingy, with melted cheese on top. You can even split them and butter them.

BigStickBIWI Tue 21-May-13 20:00:24

So it's comfort eating - not really the food itself?

How about melting grated Parmesan/cheddar in mounds on a baking tray to make cheese 'crisps'?

maidofmuss Tue 21-May-13 20:07:19

Lordy, this thread's moved fast today. Sorry but LOL at BIWI's response to one hour carb fest. Also, bet no one touches a gummy bear for a while...
Just read a bit of Daily Apple blog and found fab looking breakfast muesli idea for weekends/bootcamp lite which is a tablespoon or so of chopped up/mixed together coconut flakes, walnuts, hazlenuts, almonds, flaxseeds, sunflower seeds and pumpkin seeds with a handful of berries strewn over full fat yoghurt. May have to try that this weekend...
Can actually fit in my more stretchy pair of jeans again. Woo hoo! (unstretchy pair sadly still at mid-thigh level ). Anyone else battling to get in particular item of clothing that's been languishing in wardrobe?
We should will post the day we fit in them again!
Have a good evening all!

NewStartNewStory Tue 21-May-13 20:08:17

Actually have been craving this all day before even putting ds into the equation. it is my normal but I waaaaaaaaaant it food in the beginning. not so fussed tonight as i am in bed and as soon as child stops using the wall to inflicted damage to himself goes to sleep, I am sleeping. It is the texture i am craving really i think. The little explosions of melted cheese. I am hungry just being stubborn and grumpy will look at the options tomo am going to go deal with child some more.

maidofmuss Tue 21-May-13 20:10:38

Just cross-posted – the melted cheese 'crisps' are brill new start – have done them a couple of times when needed something comforting/extra

MrsFlorrick Tue 21-May-13 20:14:04

Ugh. Another day not quite right here.

B: half a two egg omelette with mushroom and leek
L: other half of above omelette with added mayo (it was cold and a bit dull).
D: LC style truffle pizza. ("Pizza base" made of 3 eggs and one cup = circa 100g of milled flax with baking powder and water), topped with talaggio cheese, mushrooms, summer truffle and truffle oil.
Snack: several table spoons early afternoon whilst steeling myself to take DC to soft play (hideous).

Off to swim to work off all that truffle-tastic pizza.....

Oh and who ever was after fake dough all stuff for cheese balls. Use the flax recipe. It's lovely.

And I am off to the gym to dive under water and avoid BIWIs stick no doubt coming my way <wibble>

decaffwithcream Tue 21-May-13 20:16:47

What about low-carb pancakes with melted cheese as an answer to cheese doughballs?

B - boiled egg
L - salad with chicken, red pesto and mozzarella
D - sirloin steaks and salad with mayo and horseradish

decaffwithcream Tue 21-May-13 20:23:06

B - small cup lidl yoghurt, smoked applewood cheese and cucumber with mayo in an omlette

L - celeriac chips with avacado and blue gorgonzola "dip"

D - smoked salmon and spinach cooked in cream on courgetti with a sprinkle of grated cheddar mixed in.

S- a square of dark chocolate.

Have to get to shops tomorrow so not relying on cheese so much!

I have realised that I just need to completely change my relationship with food and enjoy what I can have (lots of which is delicious). If and when I try to substitute carby/sugary things with low carb substitutes I find the carb creep starts or they don't taste the same and therefore I crave more this is especially true for those foods I have eaten in the past as comfort foods. It is hard, but the longer I stay on track the easier i find it.

I also try to keep things simple for the most part otherwise again I fall off the wagon into quick carbs instead. So I always have a salad for lunch - with a meat/cheese/sandwich filling - this bit on the top is what I change to keep things not the same or boring. Dinners I always have meat or fish with vegetables - but different meats and veg combos again not boring but simple. We often cook larger dinners and have leftovers for salad accompaniment for lunch.

Just my views though, in summary - simple, non-replacements and organised!

Bessie123 Tue 21-May-13 20:35:39

I just made a bastardised moussaka-style thingy: slices of marrow, fried in butter and oil laid in a dish and covered with Quorn lamb pieces in a tomato sauce (made with shallots, v little tomato purée, tinned tomatoes, cumin, cinnamon and mint), some feta crumbled on top then covered with a cheese sauce made with creme fraiche, cream and cheese. It was surprisingly nice, dh had 3 helpings grin

I had a glass of wine too but it doesn't count because it was dh's, I stole it

AuntieMaggie Tue 21-May-13 20:36:53

Yes biwi I still struggle with this woe when I'm travelling/on the go and tired though eve meals are easier as I don't have to cook them just find somewhere to eat! I spend time looking at restaurants on the internet so I have an idea of my options before I get there. Tonight was roast gammon and turkey with cauli cheese at the toby carvery.

I currently have a coolbox with a block of cheese (and a knife to cut it up as its cheaper than portions) a jar of peanut butter a bag of nuts and several packets of various low carb food items from m&s for lunches.

I'm changing jobs soon so fingers crossed I won't be so stressed and will be able to keep on top of it more.

BigStickBIWI Tue 21-May-13 20:38:29


B - Total FF yoghurt with vanilla esssence
L - Leftover roast chicken, cabbage and celeriac puree from dinner last night
R - roasted lamb chops with roasted veg (in lots of olive oil) celery, shallots, red and yellow pepper and red chillies (and one or two baby new potatoes that were there for DH may have snuck in there!)

meglet Tue 21-May-13 21:15:09

Just checking in. My lower-carb diet is working for my IBS. I've been in less pain and far less bloating for the last 2 weeks. No other IBS diet has worked in the previous 6yrs.

I still have porridge for breakfast but have been able to tweak my meals and snacks for the rest of the day to minimise the carbs and up my protein. No idea if I've lost weight (I was underweight anyway) but this type of eating suits my body far more than my carb heavy veggie diet.

I've got the Rose Elliot low carb veggie book so I'm going to work out which ones will work for me.

MsRinky Tue 21-May-13 21:23:58


Mushroom and ham omelette
Brown shrimps and cucumber in herb mayonnaise
Cheeseburgers with avocado and salad leaves.

MrRinky pleaded for onion rings, so I made batter with half a beaten egg, a heaped tablespoon of soy flour, a smidgen of baking powder and chopped rosemary and split a small onion into rings and deep fried them. They were awesome, if I say so myself.

Also have treated myself to a fitbit and have walked 11000 steps today, hurrah.

captainmummy Tue 21-May-13 21:28:27

Breakfast - soya yog, rooibos black tea with coconut oil
Lunch - lettuce, mayo, radishes, cheese,
Dinner - Lidl 'grillsteak' (processed but actually v nice, v peppery!) mushrooms in butter, broccoli with butter,lettuce with mayo.
Snack- macadamia nuts, slice ham.

B- tuna mayo salad. (actually had to leave half of it as I was in such a hurry to get a train)
L - poached egg and salad
D - cheese and salad
S - greek yoghurt

Lunch was at a colleague's house. She said, would you like poached egg on toast for lunch? Big breath... how about if I had poached egg with whatever bits of salad you might have in the fridge. Phew navigated that one. I have this mental picture of it "going straight on the hips" if a high carb food passes my lips!

After that sat through a whole afternoon meeting with lots of fruit and carby-snacks on the table touching none of it, and whole train ride home without buying any snacks. I actually marvelled at my new super-human powers, there is no way in the past I could have existed for that many hours without needing a snack. Cravings are just gone. Thank you BIWI and all for this amazing inspiration.

Though I do think all the travelling-snack ideas posted earlier all sound like really good ones!

B - 2 eggs scrambled with smoked salmon and lots of butter with a dollop of cream cheese on top. Bulletproof coffee.
L - Frankie and Bennie's half roast chicken with garlic butter and a garnish sized salad hmm Decaf coffee.
D - Soup made of leftover coconut and ginger pork with cauli and fennel added to it.
S- hm crackling.
Buckets of water, 1 decaf and 1 caff coffee.

Hi all

Good day here. Although still have yucky cold.

B - yoghurt
S - couple of forkfuls of cheese and onion sandwich filler - Sainsburys deli stuff
L - huge salad of leaves, half avocado, feta, cherry toms, ham, mayo and a chicken leg
D chicken curry and rice. Cauliflower rice of course!

Lots of water but forgot to tick off how many glasses.

MaryBeardfanclub Tue 21-May-13 22:36:20

evening all
found some yummy looking recipes on the low carb diabetic website here
dp is struggling so I made him some flax bread from the recipes - does not look like the picture! Toast is his "go to" food. Some of the food on there looks amazing - vegetable candy is mentioned as a good travelling snack

we have 1 egg left in the house, looks like there's going to be a fight in the morning...

CrabbyBigbottom Tue 21-May-13 22:39:28

Aargh BIWI you were supposed to threaten me with your big stick and speak sternly to me, not give me sympathy and permission! grin I read your reply and was opening that fridge door within 5 seconds flat. blush

2 small glasses of white so not the end of the world I guess. A relaxing interlude at the end of an odd and stressy day. Black farm sausages with celeriac mash and roasted broccoli for dinner. Yum.

milliemoomay Tue 21-May-13 23:03:42

I forgot to add my weight on the spreadsheet yesterday, but I can't seem to do so today as I can't seem to scroll up to find the names (sorry.. not really explaining it very well) Can someone have a look at the spreadsheet please?

Did I break it?

BigStickBIWI Tue 21-May-13 23:31:19

Don't blame me, Crabby! grin

meglet I'm really glad to hear it. My IBS is a distant memory now. It's only if I start to eat too many carbs that it's likely to rear its ugly head.

MaryBeardfanclub Wed 22-May-13 06:56:22

just found this amazing looking comfort food - loaded garlic baked faux potato wow
I think I've got to try that!

I've just been watching fat families this morning, these poor lads put on a low fat diet and exercise regime, they were absolutely miserable and using will power alone to stick to it. Felt so sorry for them with the crap advice they were given. The food on this woe is sensational, I feel like I'm in a restaurant every night!

food for today:
B: courgettes fried in butter, slice meatloaf
L: left over curry and cauli rice
D: salmon and veg

hope all have a great day smile

TreeLuLa Wed 22-May-13 07:01:02

Gosh this thread moves so fast!

Haven't been hungry the last couple of days and so haven't been eating much. Back down to my lowest weight grin and two people at work said that I was looking slimmer yesterday grin

I've become slack at eating breakfast recently but this morning have made myself a one-egg smoked salmon omelette, which was delicious.

Lunch is an avo with some mayo
Dinner will be salmon fillets and broccoli

eating breakfast at my desk now of hard-boiled egg with mayo. fortunately no one else in yet to object to my eating egg in an open plan office

lunch - tuna mayo with lettuce
supper - gammon steak with buttery wilted greens

ZimboMum Wed 22-May-13 07:37:52

morning losers grin

Haven't weighed yet as up at the crack of dawn with DS but hoping that the scales will have gone down rather than up.

Today will be
B: left over fish pie from last night
L: steak with asparagus and brocolli in butter
D: mozarella stuffed chicken wrapped in ham with swede chips and some other veg.

Water water water.

Have discovered that fennel and nettle tea = ok and fennel tea = ok but nettle tea= bleugh!

Keep on keeping on y'all grin

LackaDAISYcal Wed 22-May-13 08:24:13

snacks whilst working last night....2 babybel cheeses and a pepperami <polishes halo>

I'm all out of pepsi max. Going cold turkey today. Wish me luck.

B: left over spag bol sauce with an egg on top; sort of huevo rancheros without the spice.

Mantella Wed 22-May-13 09:02:34

Ahem ... Hello. I hope I'm welcome to join. BIWI enticed me over with her scary spreadsheet. I'm going to lurk on this thread for a while before I jump straight in to try and get the hang of this low-carbing. smile

JaxTellerIsAllMine Wed 22-May-13 09:15:33

yesterday I did quite well, wasnt particularly hungry in the evening but did have some belly pork with grilled courgette and asparagus which was lovely.

Ive got some stirfry steak for tonight with salad. steak marinaded in soy and ginger.

NewStartNewStory Wed 22-May-13 09:39:35

I have slept 12hrs straight. tbh if i didnt have to get up i could probably have slept another 12. Strugglin with being awake today. I am procrastinating with breakfast atm. I know i need to eat it but am being stubborn again. Will go eat like a good NewStart just to avoid BIWI's big stick. Another early night is needed. Also at 73kg not sure if that is a loss or not so i suppose i should tiptoe over to the spread sheet and figure it out.

MrsCoyote Wed 22-May-13 09:42:02

So, yesterday
B slice of brawn
L butter fried radishes
D minced turkey with mayo rolled in salad leaves

B butter fried radishes with scrambled eggs
L roast chicken with salad
D something with celery fries (any ideas, please?)

NewStartNewStory Wed 22-May-13 09:43:42

kilos to lbs on the conversion tab is not working. formula is missing. sad

Ooo 2 kilo loss. Bonus. <happy dance> I will get to be under 70kilos!

it is fixed now

please please try not to touch the blue cells, and if you do and can't fix it please let me know

kiwigirl42 Wed 22-May-13 09:51:53

morning everyone. Be careful with coconut cream. As Biwi said earlier, Blue Dragon is 1.8g carbs/ 100g. I bought a small tin of Waitrose Essential Coconut cream - its 9.5g carbs/ 100g!!!
thats a hell of a difference, isn't it?

NewStartNewStory Wed 22-May-13 10:05:56

Thanks Willie!

JaxTellerIsAllMine Wed 22-May-13 11:07:16

I had cauliflower soup for breakfast - or chowder, chowder sounds more filling. And it was. Very delicious. I just sort of made the recipe up as I went along last night, some garlic, stock, bag of frozen cauli, chives, dried herbs, some philadelphia cheese, cream and some grated nutmeg and a dash of cumin powder. Grated some manchego cheese ontop and I cant wait to have it again.

QueenofDreams Wed 22-May-13 11:32:16

Feeling rough here, kids and I have a cold. This means DS gets croupy at night and sleep goes out the window. So I'm shattered and feel half dead. Just ate some yoghurt with cream, cinnamon and a few mixed seeds. no idea what else I'll be eating today.

ToomuchIsBackOnBootcamp Wed 22-May-13 12:10:21

Welcome mantella yes I am stalking you! grin as I said on the other thread from whence we lured you, please do read as much info as you can, as if you understand Why/how this works, it really helps. There is a ton of info on the "resources" tab and others on the s/sheet, plus I always recommend Dr John Briffas book "escape the diet trap" as a really good intro to the science behind LC.

Go go daisy <furiously shaking Pom poms> remember to drink loads of water and if you feel hungry, eat something! (allowed, of course). You may have withdrawal symptoms, like "carb flu" if you have been addicted to the sweeteners for years, but it should hopefully only be a few days at most. And then you will feel AMAZING!!

I would like to second mrs HP post about not always trying to find "carb like" substitutes. When I am in the LC zone, I just think "I don't need, don't want, and don't eat bread/pasta/rice/cakes" etc. and I don't, I truly don't miss them as I think your tastes change and you start to really appreciate the flavours of all the wonderful foods we can eat. Bread now tastes plasticy to me sometimes, pasta is a bit claggy in the mouth. Refined white carbs rarely have the "flavour" of proper fresh food. I actually prefer the crunch of little gem lettuce wraps for tuna mayo, or the zing of spicy courgette ribbons under chilli.

However we all still have our moments. I am still an emotional eater and have struggled these last 2 weeks (not posted much). FIL passed away, there was a PM and then the funeral. Lots of driving between appts, looking after guests, family meals, meals provided by well meaning friends when we were rushing around, food picked up on the go at odd times. Yes, very stressful but I still could have made better choices, I made some very bad ones and I am feeling the effects now - my digestion is struggling, I am more tired and grumpy, I feel "heavy" inside again. So, I am here to declare I am back on it like a car bonnet and I KNOW in 2/3/4 days I will feel SO much better for it! Physically and mentally, which to me are always inextricably linked. Phew, I'll shut up now wink

Mantella Wed 22-May-13 12:23:47

Thanks TooMuch! It may take me some time to take everything in so I'll start annoying you with my posts when I'm ready to start.

Sorry to hear about your FIL.

middleagedspread Wed 22-May-13 12:46:41

I'm struggling a bit.
The first 2 weeks were great; lots of previously forbidden food & a quick weight loss kept me motivated.
I've lost nothing in the last 10 days & beginning to lose motivation.
If I have smaller meals (in the hope it might speed things up) I start feeling hungry & then snack on nuts/baby bel/ 80% choc.
Looking at other people's food diaries I think I eat too much.
Winge over.

prettybird Wed 22-May-13 13:00:07

I was going through a few of my summer clothes (which I still haven't got out! shock) yesterday as I was looking for a particular pair of jeans.

I came across a pair of M&S linen cropped trousers in a Size 12 that had been packed away as they were too small for me, so I tried them on. They fitted! smile Last summer I had to buy myself some Size 16s as a stopgap measure shocksad!!

I did find the pair of white cropped jeans I was looking for: Size 12 Boden ones that my mum had bought me for my birthday 6 years ago and she had her accident in between buying them and my actual birthday (so it was my dad who found them and gave them to me - but I remember squeezing in to them to visit her in hospital). Unfortunately, although I can get into them, there is a very bad case of muffin top (they are cut quite low and I have a very high and very defined waist). But if I keep going, I will get back in to them! smile

captainmummy Wed 22-May-13 13:04:21

Middle - do you have much to lose, tho? Weeks 3/4/5 are tough (as BIWI said, several times) and 10 days is not a stall! The whoosh fairy comes when she wants to. Sometimes it's hormonal, sometimes carb-creep, sometimes - just because. But eventually it will work. Don;t lose heart, think ofd the lovely food you can eat! I've been maintaining now for about 4 months - no way would i go back to processed, low-fat high-carb junk. This is a WOE, a way of life, not a diet.

Prettybird - fab!

middleagedspread Wed 22-May-13 13:22:38

captain at the beginning I was hoping to lose a stone. Now I'd be happy with 10lbs. I need the whoosh fairy (fab name) to visit me very soon.
My summer clothes are too tight & I'm not buying the next size up.
Thanks for your support, I must stop wallowing in self pity.

MaryBeardfanclub Wed 22-May-13 13:28:37

I found some inspirational words on a low carb blog, written by someone who has lost 60lbs low carbing and kept it off. I'm not going all hippyish on you but there are some words of wisdom:

Beating yourself up emotionally will not make you any thinner, healthier, or closer to your goals

The scale can only show you a number. The scale is not your friend. It is almost as unreliable as the B.M.I formula. According to the B.M.I model, Arnold Schwarzenegger would have been obese in his prime. How do you look? How do your clothes fit? Most importantly, how do you feel?

One day of bad eating is not a life altering situation. Nor is it something you should beat yourself up over. Just pick up and get right back on plan.

If you look at this as a diet rather than a way of life, it will always be hard.

My 3 P's are not power, property and prestige. They are perseverance, perspiration, and patience.

An unhealthy breakfast does not have to result in an entire day of unhealthy eating. Rather than using it as an excuse to "make a day of it", make healthy choices for lunch and dinner.

You have to want to change for yourself and no one else. If you don't truly want to make a change, your transformation will never happen

There is a fine line between reasons and excuses. Analyze your decisions and really ask yourself "Am I just making excuses?"

I can do it! YOU can do it!

Keeping a clean living space alleviates mental and physical clutter which in turn leaves more room for focus and drive.

No single day will be as hard as Day 1. It's all down hill from there. If you haven't already, make today Day 1.

Your favorite foods are not going anywhere. There is not going to be any "great pizza famine" All those things you love will still be there.

You should eat for sustenance and satiety, not for taste or cravings.

Exercise is free medicine. Invest in your future health. Think of healthy eating and exercise as a 401K and insurance plan for your body.

Inspiration is all around you if you just choose to open your eyes to it.

Set goals! Set small goals on the road to your ultimate goal.

It is okay to put yourself and your health first.

Your true friends will support you on your journey and in your healthy endeavors. They should bolster you, not be a hindrance.

Food should not be used as a crutch. It will not comfort you or boost your mood during rough times. BUT exercise will.

When you feel like you are lacking the energy to workout, remind yourself how much energy you will have after your workout.

Thin and healthy are not synonymous. Work towards getting the body you want by being healthy. Don't be skinny-fat.

Your body won't change overnight. There isn't a magic pill that will make you thin. It takes a lot more than one healthy meal or one long work out. This is HARD work. But it will be so worth it.

Stop saying "I'll start tomorrow... Or on Monday... Or on the 1st of the month" Just start now!! This is the only life you have and there is no guarantee of tomorrow. So, start living today!

Find a way of eating that works for you. Find something you can stick to and maintain. Do not let other people affect your food choices. You do not have to defend the food on your plate to anyone except yourself. If people do not agree with or understand the way of eating you have chosen, that is their problem, not yours.

smile smile smile

mary, very true re "I'll start tomorrow... Or on Monday... Or on the 1st of the month" - i kept doing this (or choosing 'significant' dates such as the same day of the month as my birthday so it would be x months until my next birthday)

in the end i just woke up and started randomly on a thursday in february, thinking that i would get through the day at least without any disordered eating behaviour (starving/bingeing). nearly 18 months on, i suppose i'm still just getting through today at least.

couch25cakes Wed 22-May-13 14:29:31

Well my travelling day has had a little hiccup but not too badly. Had breakfast at home and made ham and Philly wraps with peppers in a tub for lunch. And then when I got to my meeting they had laid on lunch - the full juice and sandwich platter! As they all waited for me to go first I grabbed some olives, a couple of blocks of cheese, some cucumber before the sandwiches were handed to me and they all waited. I took a gammon sandwich so have had a half slice of bread. I managed to leave the fruit, chocolate cake and juice. So not great but I'm feeling glad I didn't succumb completely.
I've since bad my ham wraps and very nice they were too smile

captainmummy Wed 22-May-13 15:23:51

Fab post MaryBeard.
Couch - Sandwiches at work are always bad news!I've got a awork lunch on fri and am hoping there will be salad, not sandwiches/pies

Just thought I'd let y'all know M&S stay chicken and BBQ chicken skewers are delish and perfect when you're whizzing round town with no time for lunch!
I was a bit naughty today and didn't eat anything until 2.30 - I was soooo busy today! I had bulletproof coffee for brekky, then went to the gym and drank a litre of water then had to rush into town to get the bits I needed before picking the boy up. I also had a little carton of Kara coconut milk to keep me going. I've now had some almonds too so I need to veg out up at dinner I think!

NewStartNewStory Wed 22-May-13 16:30:39

I am struggling atm and have gone back to controlling food. As little as humanly possible. Did eat scrambled eggs for breakfast. But haven't eaten lunch. Wasn't hungry - or didn't let myself be hungry. Need to sort my brain out i think. I suspect it is stress. but really need to stop with this all food is bad nonsense. Biwi could you suitably apply the big stick. I really do need some sense knocking into me.

MrsFlorrick Wed 22-May-13 16:32:23

Afternoon everyone. I know I am a late joiner (shirker) here on boot camp so thanks for all those recipe ideas posted. It helps me along.

Right. I need some help to find the whoosh fairy everyone keeps talking about. How do I do this Uber camping thing ?

I desperately need help as I go on holiday in 3 weeks for the first time in 3 years. And I went swimwear shopping today <shudder> and it was bad.
And ideas of banishing some cellulite quickly!! Pleeeeeease.
Very desperate here.
Any advice appreciated.

milliemoomay Wed 22-May-13 16:33:19

Thanks Willie for fixing the spreadsheet.

I'm still off the cheese as I think it doesn't agree with me. Lved the idea of trying something with coconut so have concoted a brussel sprouts with coconut spicy veggie thing. It's a bit odd tasting but it's going to have to do.

Mary.. I like your inspiring words - thanks.

Try body brushing MissFlorrick, and drink LOTS AND LOTS of water (which you should be doing anyway wink) also I think rubbing coffee into cellulite is supposed to help.
Ubercamp is a tab at the bottom of the spreadsheet.

QueenofDreams Wed 22-May-13 17:03:59

Ok so lunch was a courgette, cauliflower and pak choi soup.

Dinner will be salmon fried in butter with celeriac and spinach dauphinoise and braised kale.

Just had a boiled egg for a snack.

Loving the inspiring words on this thread!

MrsFlorrick Wed 22-May-13 17:07:16

Bullet. Thank you so much!

Generally prefer drinking coffee to scrubbing in it. But after trying on swimwear in four different shops today, I realise I need a serious miracle.

I do drink lots so that will help. I heard that LC would help but not seeing any evidence at present.

Off to check out über camping <wibble>

snowballinashoebox Wed 22-May-13 17:37:22

Mrs florrick make sure you brush up towards the heart. I reckon every day for 3 weeks and maybe some gradual tan as well will make quite a difference.

AuntieMaggie Wed 22-May-13 17:42:40

Well done couch I almost always end up eating things out of guilt when someone has provided them though I have trained my team now so they make sure I have something else to eat (though they forget about potato sometimes but remember no bread/pasta/rice). I telk people I can't eat these things because of my blood sugar which isn't a lie but I just don't say and weight loss.

My bfast atm is always yogurt and berries (unless the hotel does bacon and egg) while I'm away I've been having M&S packets of stuff - today was two chicken legs and olives. I wasn't keen on the satay chicken or the tikka prawn and calamari but others may like them. The cocktail sausage packs are 4g carbs for the pack so not as good as the chicken but helps if you need snacks.

Can you tell I'm waiting to go to dinner?

On this woe quite often my stomach will be gurgling loudly long before I'm actually hungry - does anyone else get that?

couch25cakes Wed 22-May-13 18:10:23

Luckily I was only out for the day so am now home having had the most delicious tea - last nights koftas with buttered cabbage and courgette strips fried in the oil of a couple of slices of chorizo. I feel much better now after a very queasy ride on a pendolino train!
Thanks for all the support, this is a great thread.

Yama Wed 22-May-13 18:41:10

Evening all.

I'm going through a different salad phase for lunch. At the moment I am mostly having:

Spinach, cucumber, parma ham, goat's cheese and olives (all from Aldi). A dash of ev olive oil and a splodge of mayo finish this savoury treat.

I've been putting sheep's cheese into my scrambled eggs in the morning - taste sensation.

MrsFlorrick Wed 22-May-13 18:54:44

Snowballinashoebox. Thanks. I will give that a serious go starting tonight.

I do swim regularly and go hard at it and that used to work pre-DC but no longer seems to have any effect. Hmm.

MrsFlorrick Wed 22-May-13 18:57:40

Oh and meals today:
B: scrambled egg x2
L: tuna and salmon sashimi with seaweed (nori I think and BIWI there was no rice or dressing or soy sauces anywhere near any of it)
D: will be cod in butter with asparagus in more butter.

JaxTellerIsAllMine Wed 22-May-13 19:10:14

I just served DS a bowl of soup/chowder - which he 'assumed' was cream of chicken... I didnt correct him that it was cauliflower soup/chowder and he said it was delicious. grin

This from the child who cant stand cauliflower/brocolli. mwahhahahaaa

DD - who will happily scoff ALL veg, didnt like it.
Kids are bloody strange creatures.

ToomuchIsBackOnBootcamp Wed 22-May-13 19:32:30

Evening all,

B 2 egg omelette with extra bacon lardons
L salad with feta, coleslaw and oil, pâté spread on cucumber sticks
D meatloaf with buttery spring greens

Yama, what kind of cheese do you like best for scrambled eggs? Sounds good.

ZimboMum Wed 22-May-13 20:05:26

Why oh why has it taken me 29 3/4 years to try swede chips???!! Totes delish grin

D: chicken with mozzarella wrapped in Serrano ham with swede an Parmesan chips and a mish mash of stir fried veg that needed eating - broc, green beans and sugar snap peas. Yum.

Doshusallie Wed 22-May-13 20:12:12


B - 2 hb eggs
L - a pret salad
Tea - pork belly strips and veg if I can be bothered to prepare it
Snacks - pkt pork scratchings, rather alot of nuts blush

HeirToTheIronThrone Wed 22-May-13 20:37:12

Just made a gorgeous shepherds pie topped with buttery swede mash... A question - how carby are Brazil nuts? They had big bags in Lidl and one may have jumped into my hand...

marybeard loved those words!

Lunch - prawn and avocado salad
Dinner - salad, smoked salmon and lamb

decaffwithcream Wed 22-May-13 21:12:34

B- one egg omlette with salmon
L- scrambled egg, sausage and mushrooms with mayo, coffee with cream (out)
D - avacado, sour cream, cucumber and cheese
S- small cup lidl yoghurt, black espresso

Hello all. I'm doing well I think. No cravings. Could do better at the water drinking though. Actually I was tempted to snatch a banana from a random child today - does that count as a craving? Or something more sinister? grin

B - Ham and cheese and onion deli filler
L salad with feta, cherry peppers w ricotta, avocado and yet more cheese and onion deli filler! (Bought it from Sainsburys not realizing it was right on use by date so had to use it)
D was delish. Pork belly with lots of lovely crackling. Cauliflower cheese with creme fraiche, mustard and cheese. Leeks fried with chorizo and spring greens. Very tasty.

DH is enjoying me doing low carb as I'm cooking more. He normally does a lot of the cooking.

MaryBeardfanclub Wed 22-May-13 21:51:03

just reporting back on my tea, sublime salmon steaks with ginger butter - so simple, so unbelievably tasty, highly recommended:
mash lots of butter with fresh grated ginger, split in 2 - fry salmon steak in half ginger butter then deglaze the pan with a little soy sauce; place the remaining butter on top of the hot salmon and devour! I served with cauli rice and greens wilted in chicken fat - yum

I'm making cream cheese pancakes for the freezer now as there was a tub of open cream cheese in the fridge gradually going off

DP did not like the flax bread - I had a slice when I got in from work with butter on top - the usual strange texture from flax and salty. Hmm, going to slice and freeze, maybe try as toasted cheese one day hmm

does anyone have any failsafe bbq ideas for a novice, planning on doing lots of cooking outdoors this weekend, whatever the weather

QueenofDreams Wed 22-May-13 22:06:50

mary for a bbq I'd suggest homemade peri peri chicken, if you're ok with spice food. It's dead easy to make as well, and should be pretty low carb. The peri peri marinade has some onion in it, but you're not eating loads of the sauce, just a coating on the chicken.

Mary anything tastes good on a BBQ. Out favourites are lamb marinaded in olive oil, garlic and rosemary overnight.

Courgettes are always good slices brushed with oil and then chucked on.

Asparagus brushed in oil then bbq'd also nice!

Keep a small thing of oil/butter nearby and a brush to sort if brush with occasionally as you turn things.

Other nice things are kebabs - lamb with halloumi, or monkfish and chorizo

QueenofDreams Wed 22-May-13 22:12:01

Tuna steaks are great BBQd
And also steak, as long as you don't overcook it
Lamb chops are great as well.

B - scrambled eggs with some avocado and tomato on the side
L - veg soup with lots of cheese on top
D - salmon and roasted veg
S - greek yoghurt

nothing new but yet another day of totes committing so its nice to have it on the record!

prettybird Wed 22-May-13 23:36:29

B - hard boiled egg (didn't feel like 2nd one)
S - 2xbrazil nuts
L - avocado and bacon rocket salad
S - a few pine nuts and a square of dark chocolate and a couple of slices of cheese
D - courgette tagliatelle fried in butter with two small chunks of Italian sausage in tomato sauce plus grated Parmesan

Better with the water but probably still not enough smile

sybilfaulty Thu 23-May-13 07:17:42

Loads of water yesterday but lots of (LC) food too. Very stressed and overeating as a result. Feel better today. Will eat when hungry and not otherwise. Hope you are all doing well and feeling good smile

I had a little treat last night of peanut butter mixed with double cream, cinnamon and a splash of vanilla. It was a sort of parfait texture and very indulgent! would have been perfect with some chocolate sauce I could only eat a small amount and have the rest saved for tonight or tomorrow when the inevitable TOM chocolate gremlins start calling....

maidofmuss Thu 23-May-13 08:38:49

Drinks do after work last night and ended up having several glasses of wine (dry white but still). Devoured body weight in cheese on wine-fuelled high. OK, it was low carb but still...
That aside, wondering if I've been eating TOO much fat (having a wobble, here, can you tell?!). As someone remarked further up thread, some people posting day's food seem to eat so little and I've been tucking into butter-drenched chicken, piles of creamy cauli cheese and buttered kale etc, or half a block of feta with masses of salad for lunch. Should I reduce quantities of everything a bit so I don't stall?

kiwigirl42 Thu 23-May-13 09:12:03

who said Lidl yogurt was cheap? cost me £13 once I'd been round the shop and bought veg and anti wrinkle cream! The anti wrinkle cream was only £3.53 - just tried some - nice and light, absorbed easily but strong nivea-like scent so avoid if you don't like fragranced face cream.

funnily enough, I was really not hungry yesterday. Only ate about 600 kcal. Had a bit of Total this morning but still haven't really got an appetite.
Really shows how much sugar/ high carbs drive your appetite and why one biscuit is never enough.
I did have a delicious mashed avocado (mashed with bit of Hellmans, lemon juice and pepper) with celery stalks. Was really nice.

Really have to have a big meal today though to keep my metabolism kicking over - have steak in fridge and cauli, broccoli, celery

maid, I doubt it's to much fat. I don't think that's possible! Maybe your portion sizes are too big? I struggle not to eat the whole plate of food because it was always ingrained into me as a child (starving children in Africa etc.) So eating too much in general - eating more than I need or even really want has always been an issue for me. Maybe that's what is happening with you too? I have to be mindful now of how much I put on my plate, and I've been trying to do this for a couple of years and I'm still not quite there!
Someone a bit more knowledgeable will come along in a minute though I'm sure!

maidofmuss have you actually stalled? if not then no need to worry, but you should also not worry about eating too much fat. if you were in a position of needing to adjust anything, then reducing the fat would not be the way to go in any case. possibly changing your fat sources if necessary (e.g. if you found you were sensitive to dairy you might increase your fatty meats, butter and oily dressings and reduce your cream/cheese)

are you feeling full? are you satisfied with your meals, and how you feel in yourself? are you losing weight at a sustainable rate? if yes, then don't worry. everyone is different so don't worry about anyone else's food intake in comparison to yours.

obviously don't stuff yourself to the point where you feel uncomfortable - one of the great things about low carbing is that because your insulin is low the hormone leptin has easy access to your brain to tell it when you are full (high insulin levels are thought to block the signals), so you get that lovely satiated feeling rather than the snackish, peckish, i'm-not-quite-full feeling you get when you've eaten low fat, high carb food. as bullet says you don't need to finish your plate if you've had enough, but you also mustn't deprive yourself. i find that the beauty of low carbing is that it is so much easier to recognise the feeling of having had enough as the signals seem clearer

Maid - I did Atkins years ago and one thing I remember being told is if you are hungry, then eat. I think with this way of eating initially we might eat a lot but then your body realizes it is getting good food and as we are not craving crap our appetite can gradually diminish. Also fat is more satiating but I think it takes us a while for our bodies to figure that out. I have found my appetite is less. Or the food is more filling. One of the two! So if you are hungry eat proper low carb food. Your appetite may adjust.

I am now hungry in the mornings but it takes less to fill me. Lunch time I tend ot have a big salad with lots of bits but it's mainly salad. I don't stint on the bits though. They are the bits that fill you up.

I weighed this morning and have lost my gain from the weekend plus some. Was 207ish on Monday. 204.8 this morning. I may get to 14st 7 by Monday!

B was some egg mayo
L - not sure yet. Salad and something or broccoli and blue cheese soup if I can be bothered making it
D - leftover chicken curry from Tuesday night.

QueenofDreams Thu 23-May-13 09:49:39

Morning everyone.

B scrambled eggs, bacon, wilted spinach in butter
L salmon fillet and veg/salad
D Bolognese. Will do mine with courgette and pasta for DP and kids

HeirToTheIronThrone Thu 23-May-13 10:04:26

Struggling not to stress-eat this morning after my car was broken into last night and the bloody BASTARDS made off with my sat nav and laptop which was in the boot. ARSE! Will try some yogurt and a massive cup of tea instead.

Kiwi I went into Lidl just for yogurt the other day and came out £15 poorer - too many tempting LC things, now have lovely salami and sausages and cheese-stuffed peppers amongst other stuff!

Heir - that's horrible. I am sorry. Don't let them sway you from lc though. Yoghurt and tea sounds good.

I must try Lidl. Used to go to one in Budapest when we lived there but haven't been to one here.

Am peed off with Sainsburys this week. Made mistake of going on Monday. Ended up with quite a lot of stuff that was use by Monday! Won't make that mistake again.

maidofmuss Thu 23-May-13 10:38:38

Thanks bullet willie and cider - really useful feedback (no pun intended). No, haven't stalled, Willie just impatient maybe and beating myself up about excess wine as I felt so bloated and yuk this morning (think also may be a bit of PMT). Am def sticking with it and think I may cut down on cheese for a few days to see if that makes me feel better. Interesting about appetite reducing over time. Think, too, it's a question of learning how to recognise those feelings of being full and acting on them: simply stopping eating rather than feeling I've got to finish what's on my plate or tell myself I'm allowed to eat this/I'm not on a diet so I'll carry on... stuffed-up brain from years of diet attempts maybe!
Really sorry heir for your truly crap start to the morning flowers

MrsCoyote Thu 23-May-13 11:04:39

Maidofmuss, I feel with you (because I am almost the same).

I feel quite greedy to be honest, when I compare one boiled/scrambled egg for breakfast (other people's posts) with my three eggs.
Yesterday evening I had three helpings of buttered celeriac mash blush.

But I am a novice, so I take the advice to eat enough and will see what happens.

ToomuchIsBackOnBootcamp Thu 23-May-13 11:26:35

Hi ladies, yes I also found on my first bootcamp that I felt I was eating masses, but after about a month (or so, I think) it settled down and I was having 3 normal sized meals a day with perhaps one snack about 430ish after school pickup walk to keep me going till dinner time.

Also, you can eat a LOT of salad for the weight, so my plate always looks so big and full (and colourful) but actually it's mostly salad. Whereas if I ate the same weight in, say pasta, I would feel so heavy and bloated.

ToomuchIsBackOnBootcamp Thu 23-May-13 12:08:17

heir that is shitty, sorry to hear that. Just a rotten thing. Was the laptop backed up?

We live in a very quiet safe rural village which I think can lull some people into a false sense of security. I still have years of big city habits ingrained in me so lock my doors without thinking but I know other people that have lived here for much longer are a bit more relaxed. Anyway we had a 3am wake up call just a couple of weeks ago when a neighbours dog was going nuts, there was a group of black-clad young lads trying people's garages, cars and doors! They got away with a couple of sat navs and some stuff from one garage before they saw said neighbour (over 6 foot cubed) and dog (Alsatian) appear at their front door and took off in a (we found out later, stolen) van.

ToomuchIsBackOnBootcamp Thu 23-May-13 12:10:01

The Alsatian, btw, is the biggest softest most petted lump in the world and would lick you to death for a biccy, but he does have an impressive bark! grin

EwanHoozami Thu 23-May-13 12:13:17

Oops sorry colette I've just spotted that you asked for some recipes blush

I'll put them on the Economy Recipes tab of the spreadsheet.


B - cream cheese pancake with cinnamon and blueberries
L - leftover halloumi and bacon salad
D - pork chops rarebit with a different kind of braised cabbage a la Jamie Oliver which sounds yummers

mmm that does look good ewan, you could almost have that as a soup

HeirToTheIronThrone Thu 23-May-13 12:21:37

Toomuch yes - it's a work one so all the stuff I do on it is backed up to the office server. Have lost some photos and my beautiful spreadsheet that had all my wedding budgets, guest list, table plan etc but that's it really, and the sat nav was years old and didn't have a charger so lord knows what use that is. The lovely policeman who came round said it's happening a lot round here, they will just keep trying car after car till they get something they can sell for a few quid, and my car is fairly elderly and so apparently easier to break in to. Just feel angry and a bit violated! Still, managed to limit the stress eat response to yogurt and a few brazil nuts smile And have had my fingerprints taken which was a little bit exciting in a very childish way smile

heir i missed your post earlier, what a rotten thing to happen. i would be gutted about the spreadsheet <loser>! but at least nothing else too sentimental. it must feel horribly invasive

QueenofDreams Thu 23-May-13 13:07:49

ewan could you put up the recipe for these cream cheese pancakes please? I'm intrigued. I also have some cream cheese in the fridge grin

here you go queen - sweetener not necessary and cinnamon optional obv

HeirToTheIronThrone Thu 23-May-13 14:26:18

Willie - lovely man from IT has retrieved a version of the spreadsheet from the archives somehow - hooray!

Celebrating with coleslaw, rocket, chopped salami and a couple of little peppers with soft cheese for lunch smile

Tee2072 Thu 23-May-13 14:29:32

Just popping back again to say thanks for the help about breakfast. Cottage cheese and fruit is doing the trick to keep me full and get me through my 3 mile school run.

And, even better, my BG levels are evening out. Will be having my bloods done again in 3 months and hopefully they'll be fine this time.

decaffwithcream Thu 23-May-13 15:19:10

Ooh, "low-carb diets" is now an actual seperate MN topic!

JaxTellerIsAllMine Thu 23-May-13 15:35:41

oh do we need to go there?

JaxTellerIsAllMine Thu 23-May-13 15:36:46

ignore me, I see we are already on low carb topic. The wonders of MN grin tech

captainmummy Thu 23-May-13 15:49:54

Tee - that's fab! Low-carb is a good way of levelling your BG, as hopefully you will find out at your bloods. Much Much better than Shreddies any day of the week!

Anyone know what I can do with tofu? Its all I have in and I've forgotten why I bought it in the first place!

Actually... Scratch that! I remembered why I got it... ''breaded'' tofu and celeriac chips for tea tonight smile Hopefully The Boy will eat it too hmm He like veggie chips - not sure about tofu though!

colette Thu 23-May-13 16:54:51

I am a bit confused and would really like some advice please. I am definitely in ketosis - used ketostix and appetite is less but ... I think I have put weight on this weekangry
yesterday I ate :
B-Greek yog , frozen berries , few almonds
L- Celeriac soup with grated cheese
D-Salmon in lemon butter with swede and broccoli, cheese and butter
S- few tablespoons of sains lc peanut butter

Do you think think I am eating too much dairy and peanut butter ?

Possibly too much dairy and nuts Colette. You say your appetite is lower but you're still having snacks - is that habit or hunger? How much water are you drinking?

You need to drink plenty of water with this WOE in order to flush out the ketones, because if your blood ketone levels are high your body will stop breaking fat down as it doesn't want to release more ketones into the bloodstream. This means that if you're not drinking enough water the ketostix might be showing high levels of ketones but actually less fat is being broken down. So the ketostix can lull you into a false sense of security. I have never bothered with them myself.

Ilisten2theradio Thu 23-May-13 18:17:13

Marking my place. Daren't say anything as I have been BAD this week.
Slinks off in shame to hide in the corner......

QueenofDreams Thu 23-May-13 18:24:09

Thanks ewan that looks LUSH. I think I'll be trying that tomorrow morning, but have it more savoury perhaps to avoid carby sweeteners.

sammisatt Thu 23-May-13 18:32:32

I'm still here. I've been on track bar a a small handful of chocolate buttons at the weekend and cake today....but it is my fortieth birthday on Saturday so I will forgive myself and check in again on Monday for damage limitation.

BigStickBIWI Thu 23-May-13 18:34:29

Apologies for absence - am away in Italy with DH on a long weekend. Little access to wifi. The lovely Willie will be starting next week's chat thread

colette Thu 23-May-13 18:47:34

thanks ww - that makes sense so am drinking more.Also rings true with ketostix showing higher level than usual ( I need to break my strange addiction to ketostix )

will try not to weigh myself for a few days. Snacks could just be a habit , especially as it is in the evening I am prone to snacking.

MrsFlorrick Thu 23-May-13 19:07:43

Need some form of alcohol tonight

Please tell me what is low carb or what I can have! I am utterly desperate. See below why.
My youngest has treated me to the following:
• toilet brush with remnants of bleach on wiped over new carpets upstairs hallway and on a pure silk roman blind. This one in the blink of an eye of taking a parcel. Both are ruined with bleach stains.
• three toilet rolls dispatched down toilet at once so had to get it unblocked by plumber.
• managed to open safe with 6 digit code (Houdini!!) and acquire my Tiffany diamond earring and Georg Jensen diamond necklace which was dispatched into another toilet. Plumber got them back unscathed. I was making the beds at the time. And he was in the wardrobe and ensuite for less than 2 minutes.

And that was just this morning. This afternoon I (and others) were subjected to:
• wrecking part of a childrens display at the Hornimann museum (pulled off a plastic snail and the electronic thing which made animal noises)
• pressed the emergence button in the lift twice in same museum.
• managed to prize open an alarmed fire door (yes museum again) and set off alarm.
• dipped hand towel in downstairs cloakroom in toilet and wiped the oak flooring with it and licked it when I told him to put it down.

And that's just a small selection of my day.

It sounds like I don't try but I spend my entire waking existence screaming "no stop don't" at him and physically pulling him away and putting him in time out and confiscating toys.

Every day is like this although less in terms of destruction if things.

So I need alcohol and please tell me there is something other than neat gin (don't like gin and have no tonic).

B: scrambled eggs
L: bacon eggs mushroom leeks and 1 tomato
D: black farmer sausages with runner beans in butter.

ZimboMum Thu 23-May-13 19:11:06

Evening all.

I felt I had somehow 'made it' as a low carber whilst i was preparing dinner for tonight when I caught myself wondering whether to forego the carrot in the ragu leek lasagne a la recipe thread as it might make it 'too carby' grin In the end i stuck it in as needed to use veg up and in the grand scheme of things, life is too short not to eat a carrot if you fancy it, no?

B: left over fish pie
L: salad with ham and cheese and mayo
D will be: beef ragu leek lasagne

Water. water. water smile

couch25cakes Thu 23-May-13 19:14:16

Today was another good day, but as its day four it should be!
B- mushroom omelette
L- ham salad and dressing
D- lamb chops and fried courgette and cabbage
S- smoked salmon and Philly

I've not been hungry really, and not had any craving for bread, chocolate etc. but I really fancied a juice or squash when I got up this morning.

ZimboMum Thu 23-May-13 19:14:53

MrsFlorrick wine for you, though think vodka and soda lower carb, that sounds like a horrendous day. I hope tomorrow will be better thanks

decaffwithcream Thu 23-May-13 19:20:24

Enjoy Italy and don't worry about us BIWI - maybe leave Willie the big stick in case anyone touches the blue squares again?

decaffwithcream Thu 23-May-13 19:34:28

B- cream cheese pancakes - with creme fraiche/lidl yoghurt and squeeze of lemon. And one with spinach and blue cheese and sprinkle pine nuts.

L - diced celeriac with goats cheese and chilli flakes on rocket

D - Omlette with courgette, goats cheese, rocket, shallot and mayo. Side of garlic "potatoes" made with celeriac.

S - blue gorgonzola, 2 squares dark chocolate

MrsFlorrick Thu 23-May-13 19:57:04

Zimbomum. Thanks thanks

I don't have vodka but I do have rum. I also have diet coke. Does that work?

Doshusallie Thu 23-May-13 20:06:03

B - bowl of ff yoghurt with rather alot of double cream
L - 2 salad pots Forman office canteen, one with chicken, one with beef, both with mayo, no idea how army the mayo was though...
Snacks - couple of handfuls of Brazil's, pkt pork scratchings, 1 teaspoon PB
Tea - no idea!!

Doshusallie Thu 23-May-13 20:06:23

* From an office canteen

Doshusallie Thu 23-May-13 20:06:46

* carby not army

ToomuchIsBackOnBootcamp Thu 23-May-13 20:11:55

Step away from the diet coke!!! Tis full of the crappy artificial sweeteners we are meant to avoid and will restart any sugar cravings you may have fought through already!

MrsFlorrick Thu 23-May-13 20:18:10

Too much.

What should I mix the rum with? It's pretty much the only thing in the house. Not sure neat rum is nice.

And if you are wondering why I need a drink, please see my earlier mammoth post. smile

HoopaPoop Thu 23-May-13 20:26:50

Good job BIWIs in Italy if she was watching Fat Family Tree her stick would go on overdrive

ToomuchIsBackOnBootcamp Thu 23-May-13 20:30:42

I did, and read it like this shock you need eyes in the back of your head for real! How old is miniFlorrick? Not sure as I am not a rum drinker, maybe someone else will know?

willie cream cheese pancakes, do you use marscapone or what? Would they work with Philly? Love that site btw, think I might try some of the meatball recipes etc.

MrsFlorrick Thu 23-May-13 20:38:33

Toomuch. Miniflorrick is almost 2. It's unbelievable what he is capable of and very fast too.

He will not do as he's told and no means nothing to him. Time out and toy removal some times works for about 20 mins before he is at it again.

My oldest is and was nothing like this so it's a shock.

He is also able to open all the iPhones and iPads in the house as he knows all the pass codes. Best is that he can open DHs work blackberry when locked as he somehow must have seen DH do it and knows password. I can't even open that one.

He loves pilfering my phone quietly and taking himself off into a corner. It's a worry.

He also makes calls on the landline. And he would not leave the handsets alone so we have had to take all but one of them away and just have one portable one which is connected in the lounge and during the day the handset lives inside the top of my kitchen dresser where he can't reach or climb up.

Oh yes Philly is fine, or own brand cream cheese, I've never used mascarpone for pancakes

Mrsflorrick what a day! Vodka or gin with soda is best, with a squeeze of fresh lime if you have it. I don't know about rum though, sorry

Mrsflorrick he sounds like a numerical genius!

TreeLuLa Thu 23-May-13 20:49:50

What a day, Mrs F!!!

Hold your nose and down the rum?

Today been wierd - 5am start, coffee with cream for brekkie, piece of cheese for lunch, salmon fillet andvasparagus for dinner.

halfthesize Thu 23-May-13 20:50:15

Eve ladies hope everyone is having a good week so far?

Diet coke is a NO NO MrsFlorrick

My DS2 is ill with an ear infection so not caught up on thread yet this week, no sleep since Sunday, the joys of parentinghmm

maidofmuss Thu 23-May-13 20:53:00

Re earlier post, no cheese today but couldn't resist full fat total with bit of vanilla stirred through after dinner, so today:
B Stir-fried mushrooms with scrambled eggs
L Gammon ham salad (leaves, radish cucumber)
D Chicken breast with home-made coleslaw
Yoghurt and vanilla, with a few chopped up hazlenuts
Know I'm not drinking enough water
MrsF no idea about carbs in rum either - think you'd need a mixer though and best avoid diet coke. Could try a dash in a tall glass with a squeeze of lime and lots and lots of ice? Hope at least MiniF's a good sleeper after a day like that!

colette Thu 23-May-13 21:32:06

EwanHoozami thanks for the recipes.

Mrs F - your day sounds like it was incredibly challenging. Enjoy the rum!

QueenofDreams Thu 23-May-13 21:34:01

Wow mrsflorrick your DS sounds like a real handful! enjoy your drink!

Can't wait to try those pancakes tomorrow. seriously I'm so tempted to make some right now, but I've already eaten dinner so I will resist.

captainmummy Thu 23-May-13 21:45:21

MrsF - your ds sounds a real genius! He's go far (if he doesn't poison himself with bleach/toilet water shock)

I drink Rum with fizzy water.

Breakkie - 2 eggs
lunch- lettuc with chicken-and-chorizo pate (new in Tesco and really yum), few Macadamias
Dinner - cauli cheese with bacon and leaves, mayo. Soya yoghurt.

Snack - bowl of mashed swede leftover, with puddle of melted butter...

MrsFlorrick Thu 23-May-13 22:04:10

Thanks everyone. Captain. I took your advice on rum with fizzy water given lack of suitable mixers in house.

Willie. Not sure about genius. But I look forward to him programming all the electronics in the house for me.

Sorry about the long rant about his antics. I know it's really a whole other thread. But I needed to justify the reason for needing a drink.

My oldest and toilet boy are safely asleep and I (and my fizzy rum) are going to watch Nashville.

Doshusallie Thu 23-May-13 22:05:48

Biwi's drink of choice is dark rum. I'd have it with diet coke if I were you after a day like that.

NewStartNewStory Thu 23-May-13 22:12:01

I had one of those MrsF. It does get better. Now I have a 8yr old studying for GCSEs because he wants to hmm who is cross because I won't let him sit the exams as early as he wants. (won't even discuss it before he is 10yr old as imo he is not emotionally ready nor needs the stress no matter how academically smart arsed he is). I have told him if he wants to prep for exams to consider the 11 plus and the entrance exams for the school he wants. Different less dangerous battles. probably because we have the dangerous stuff as things we do together love that chemistry kit

There is some really good snap together electrics kits which whilst they say is only for 8yr + is actually ok for young kids, but you kinda need to sit with. Crazy custard used to keep ds occupied for a bit although messy as hell. I used to send ds out in the garden with a print out of pictures and tell him to scribble over the stuff he could find (frog/bee flowers/conkers etc) But getting him into stuff like golf and fishing (yes i know eww maggots) was actually brilliant for him. Bloody hard work though. You have my full and complete sympathies.

Stepped away from focusing on anything. Worked on picking apart stress didn't give a shit about what eaten feeling a bit more in control and hopefully it will stay that way for a bit.

MrsFlorrick Thu 23-May-13 22:19:14

New start. Thanks. It helps to know.
One day it will come good.

Dosh. I did have diet coke but given what everyone else said, I gave it a miss. Besides I am not really a coke drinker.

And sadly miniflorrick isn't a good sleeper. Argh. His older sister is at least. To be fair she is a bit of a model child. I have done my best to treat them identically but often wonder if I have gone wrong somewhere.

NewStartNewStory Thu 23-May-13 22:45:43

Ds is not a good sleeper either. His brain is too busy. He now has drugs to help. and so do i Mind this said ds is currently singing and doing stuff of unknown matter in his room. THankfully it is the last day of term before the hols and I am too tired to care as long as he follows normal rules.
I do not want disturbing unless: 1. something is broken. 2. You are hurt. 3. there is an issue with the house (flood fire tree through roof etc) 4. it is morning (after 7am) 5. the bed needs changing 6. You have had a nightmare. We love rules here. hmm and this mostly covers everything until he thinks up the next exception Once they get to 4/5 they can start be trained, but i remember endless hours sleeping on the lounge waiting for cbeebies to start and when he hit 3 endless hours in the middle of the night trying to stay awake whilst listening to him teach himself to read. It comes right but takes input and structure. Ds is a good kid and once his impulsiveness tamed a bit a real pleasure to spend time with. Still needs exercising 3 times daily though.

I'm in awe at what you have to bear Mrs F. I'd be so upset about the bleach stains!

Today was DS's 5th party, I have baked and iced a hundredweight of fairy cakes and not eaten any! (I did lick my icing-y fingers twice...)

B - greek yoghurt, half an avocado, carrot. (wierd breakfast)
L - tuna mayo salad
D - long gap before dinner due to party and clearing up... but I didn't feel desperate/hungry/craving-y and I had enough energy to cook properly. The wonder effects of this WOE. So I really treated myself to a slap-up-dinner of fried salmon, creamy sauce, swede mash, broccoli. Felt like a feast.

Hi all.

MrsFlorrick - wow. He def sounds challenging! I would have had the diet coke. Lost 2 stone on Atkins years ago whilst drinking copious amounts of Bacardi and diet coke! Don't tell BIWI.

Food was all good here today. Am hungry now though. So am in bed to avoid temptation.

Bessie123 Fri 24-May-13 00:34:02

Gosh, I can't relate at all to those of you with super bright children. Mine are so ^ normal^.

I have been out and drunk lots of fizzy wine and ate some chips. I might be massive tomorrow.

NewStartNewStory Fri 24-May-13 00:57:27

Super bright? ds? nah. And normal is good too. All kids are amazing in their own ways.

I have finished the mountain of paperwork that has been bogging me down a bit. Not sure what the plan is for tomo yet. There is more paperwork or research. Cottage pie for tea. scrambled eggs for breakfast not sure about the plan for lunch. there is loads of veg in the fridge but no cheese and the only cream in the house is oat cream sad so i guess a trip to the shops is needed before lunch.

TreeLuLa Fri 24-May-13 07:10:44

Me again. Have lost another lb! 2 more to go until I go down into the 'next' stone smile

B coffee with cream
L tuna mayo in little gem leaves
D Aubergine Parmesan bake

maidofmuss Fri 24-May-13 07:26:30

That is great treelula - well done you!
Think will hv Sts this week tho with my scales hard to tell - weighed myself 3 times in row a couple of days ago and went from 11st11 (air punching) to 12st 6 (misery) to 12st 4...(resigned) ...
No food plans today yet tho poss pork strog with lots of sour cream and mushrooms this eve...

middleagedspread Fri 24-May-13 08:02:24

Well done all you losers.
maidofmusa, do you find if you put more weight on your left food & lean backwards can result in instant weight loss? That's my standard method of standing on the scales, works every time as long as i don't lose my balance!

HeirToTheIronThrone Fri 24-May-13 09:53:41

Morning all, have feasted on greek yog and 4 brazil nuts for breakfast and have a lovely salad in the office fridge which I am looking forward to. I am SO close to getting down into the next stone bracket, so am on a bit of a mission this weekend. Have a 30th to attend tomorrow but it's a bring your own bbq and I am driving so should be doable! And did 70 lengths of the pool this morning, and have a big walk planned Sunday or Monday. Determined that this bank hol will be better than the last very very boozy one...

RaspberrySchnapps Fri 24-May-13 11:37:23

BIWI I need your big stick. I have stuck to boot camp all this time and this morning, without even being aware of what I was doing, I hoovered up 4 chocolate digestives left on the kitchen worktop blush. what the hell is wrong with me? (got period this morning can I use that as an excuse?)

JaxTellerIsAllMine Fri 24-May-13 11:54:24

I wont be around much as will be on hols, am feeling awful today. Sore ears, throat, glands swollen and generally rubbish! hmmf.

Going to get some soup M&S as cant drag myself to make it.

sallycinnamum Fri 24-May-13 11:54:24

After losing half a stone in the first week, my weight loss has completely stalled.

I think this is in part due toafternoon tea which was a present from DH so I had to go (and eat cake of course) and the three glasses of wine I had the other night.

I'd been so good but it's back on the wagon again now.

What's the low carb coleslaw recipe again?

JaxTellerIsAllMine Fri 24-May-13 11:54:25

I wont be around much as will be on hols, am feeling awful today. Sore ears, throat, glands swollen and generally rubbish! hmmf.

Going to get some soup M&S as cant drag myself to make it.

sybilfaulty Fri 24-May-13 12:10:03

Sorry for all those feeling ill. Am sitting in queue for idle of wight ferry. Dh gone to get coffee. Am planning to stick to bootcamp as far as I can though there may be gin over the next week.

Happy half term!

lol at idle of wight sybil (sounds like a good hol!)

Coleslaw recipe

125g white cabbage (less than 1/4 of a cabbage)
75g carrot (1 medium-sized carrot)
25g shallot (1/2 a banana/echalion shallot)

Slice white cabbage thinly
Grate carrot finely (don't use the largest holes on the grater)
Chop shallot finely

Add oil and wine vinegar - roughly 3 tablespoons oil and 1 tablespoon vinegar, and salt and black pepper. Stir everything well together. Leave for half an hour or so. Just before serving, stir in a tablespoon of mayo.

This will make 2 portions

biggest loser of the week: froufroulala
biggest loser so far: rubybricks
biggest %age loser so far: rubybricks

bravo all!

MrsFlorrick Fri 24-May-13 12:39:37

The only gift my DS has is ever more inventive ways of making it hard for me. Don't think he is bright just loves doing dangerous and naughty things.

And yes I did weep at new carpet and silk blind quietly whilst drinking my rum last night. DH was needlessly to say unimpressed. Not with me but DS. He is well aware of his antics.

I was going to have ham and colslaw for lunch. However once in plate I found 3 pubic hairs in the ham (fresh out of packet from ocado). Had cup of tea instead and can't face any food. Just vile!!

DS pilfered all my bank and credit cards and driving license from my purse this morning and posted them out of the letter slot on the front door luckily our post man is honest and rang the door bell and gave them all back to me.

I think I was loading the washing machine while he did it. The worry is that my hand bag was on top of a shelf unit (approx 6 feet high) and he must have climbed up into it to get the purse from handbag. So now handbag needs to be under lock and key as well.

Dinner will be roast chicken.
Off to order new blind <sob>
Could I claim the blind and carpet on insurance? Not sure we have naughty toddler cover tho.

kiwigirl42 Fri 24-May-13 13:04:14

MrsFlorrick - my brother was like your son when he was a kid and almost drove my mother demented. I can't imagine how hard it must be for you.

I weighed myself this morning as have had no appetite last 2 days - have not eaten 600 calories either day which is strange for me!
I've now lost 11lbs since 6 May so really pleased. Most of it is weight I put on trying different anti convulsants for migraine so its great for it to be going

Best news is that I haven't had a migraine for 7 days - longest period in 6 years! I ripped off HRT patch last Friday in a huff and bam. So perhaps the hysterectomy I had in March was worth it after all!

I've even told one of my oldest friends that it looks like I will be able to attend her wedding in June!

so having a good day so far!

QueenofDreams Fri 24-May-13 13:38:44

MrsF, my DD does posting things out the front door as well. Last week she posted DP's keys out the front. He was late for work as a result, because he spent so long looking for them, eventually gave up and used my key to get out then saw his keys lying outside the door. yesterday she got a bunch of DVDs and posted them through a gap between the wall and floor in the hallway. I can't get them out now!

My attempt at the pancakes was not successful. My pans aren't non-sticky enough. So I had the mangled results of the experiment with some mushrooms and spinach for breakfast.

Mrs F I think the only solution is for you to do no housework whatsoever so you can keep DS in a vice-like grip at all times!

Raspberry - 4 chocolate digestives! Just move on and get back on the wagon. But I'm curious, did it send your blood sugar crazy?

I'm not on the spreadsheet as I can't face weighing myself, but yesterday I had lots of compliments from DH about the slimmer figure I am becoming. So it must be working!

B- fried egg, swede hash brown, fried tomato
L - lots-of-leftovers salad (incl tuna and cheese) as going away for weekend
D - slightly running out of ingredients due to going away. hmm. Something involving roast veg or veg soup & cheese is possible.

Doshusallie Fri 24-May-13 14:14:15

Tea last night ended up being two slices of ham hmm

B - FF greek yoghurt
L - 2 hb eggs, 2 slices of edam wrapped around mushrooms and mayo, and some pate on mushrooms

Am maintaining nicely at 9 2. Very happy with that. grin

EwanHoozami Fri 24-May-13 15:29:26

MrsFlorrick shock at the hairs! Excusable on a pork scratching, but Ocado ham? grin

EwanHoozami Fri 24-May-13 15:32:26

Lily LOVE the Swede hash brown idea. How do you make it so it's not too mushy?

B - Lidl yog
L - Cauliflower soup
D - chilli lemon butter prawns on konnyaku noodles and spinach

I've been a bit snacky today. I've had to hide the peanut butter.

snowballinashoebox Fri 24-May-13 15:49:25

kiwigirl that is brill re the headaches you must be feeling so much happier.

I had a slight slippage last night when dh bought home a bag of beautiful fresh scallops which I ate alongside 2 slices of sourdough bread which was bloody delish. I just couldn't stop myself. There was more holes than bread though so hoping it won't have prolonged the blimmin stall I seem to have developed.

How long is a stall a proper stall?

Have a good bank holiday everyone.

middleagedspread Fri 24-May-13 16:01:54

BIWI is so selfish swanning off to Italy when we need her.Did she leave her stick with someone?

Can we talk about stalling. How long should it be before you take action?
If I do something drastic I know I will go off the rails.

B Total, berries, flax
L avocado, rocket, egg & prawn mayo
Snack half a bag of almonds, 3 baby bel
D Spicy pork burgers with celeriac chips
maybe some stewed rhubarb & total for pudding.

Too much?

BigStickBIWI Fri 24-May-13 16:18:51

Oh yes. Big stick left behind.

BigStickBIWI Fri 24-May-13 16:19:11


RaspberrySchnapps Fri 24-May-13 17:15:31

I didn't feel a sugar rush but then we have been charging round the house to Nellie the elephant and that kind of thing all afternoon , so perhaps the DC noticed grin

low carb recipe green Thai curry for tea smile everyone else will have noodles with theirs, and a huge shoulder of pork in ginger cooking overnight for tomorrow/Sunday. no biscuits in the house now (oops)

Have a lovely time in Italy BIWI.

maidofmuss Fri 24-May-13 17:31:42

middleagedspread - no, sadly my scales can't do that, just mind-blowingly erratic!
Think you day's food sounds great – I don't think sounds a lot (then I am a bit of a greedy guzzler so maybe not best person to judge) Think BIWI or Willie wrote a while back that a stall is 2-3 weeks staying the same weight (without cheating) but maybe I imagined that (?)
Have a good BH weekend everyone!

QueenofDreams Fri 24-May-13 17:49:03

Ok, so lunch was courgette and pak choi soup followed by a boiled egg. Dinner will be chicken I think. Probably just cooked with some veg. Weight is down 2lb today! Just need to make sure I don't slip up over the weekend

couch25cakes Fri 24-May-13 18:15:08

I've had smoked salmon and sour cream with scrambled eggs for breakfast, and salad with feta and avocado for lunch. We've got people coming here f

couch25cakes Fri 24-May-13 18:18:37


Friends coming here for dinner so I'm making smoked salmon and prawns to start with bread for the non LCers. Main is roast chicken with chorizo and loads of veggies (and new potatoes). And for pud I made chocolate mousse with very dark chocolate and eggs only, so I'm thinking that's about the best I could do. I'll not have the pud (hopefully) but I will have a couple of drinks so fingers crossed it'll be ok.

Ewan I had swede mash leftover from dinner the night before. So I just fried it. I guess leaving it overnight meant it wasn't too mushy? Neither would it have passed in a "cuisine" restaurant either, but I was quite pleased with my breakfast!

EwanHoozami Fri 24-May-13 19:30:54

snowball middleaged and everyone interested in stalls - I don't think you can define exactly how long a stall is and it's not necessarily a Bad Thing.

A stall is just a resting place for the body as it adjusts to your new reduced weight.

Keep at it and the loss will re-start.

Months into LC eating and plateaus can be harder to shift; people have reported success with adding in some resistance training exercise, intermittent fasting (which I'm not sold on) or having a planned 'cheat' day (not on Bootcamp, obv!)

Also, remember that a scale is quite an imperfect measure of how your body is performing metabolically. Have you measured yourself? How do your clothes feel?

decaffwithcream Fri 24-May-13 19:37:09

Thanks Ewan - I have STS for 19 days now but can visibly see fat loss - so it's annoying but not really a stall if fat loss is occuring I take it?

middleagedspread Fri 24-May-13 20:14:09

Thanks Ewan, so are you suggesting that we should maintain the same eating pattern & quantities & just hang on?
That's reassuring.

AuntieMaggie Fri 24-May-13 20:14:18

Dammit - today I had KFC sad

Was stuck on the road for 7 hours talking diversions and detours all over the place to avoid the M6 and M5 and every other hellish road on my way home and the first place I found to stop that I could have a wee and get food was KFC sad

snowballinashoebox Fri 24-May-13 21:17:20

Thanks ewan I like the idea of my body having a rest and it makes sense.
Maggie that sounds like a hellish day, think I would have done the same. There is a gourmet burger van which id a work treat on a Friday and he now does me a burger on salad with lots if lovely mayo, chilli oil and cheese in a boxgrin so much nicer than un a bap.

CrabbyBigbottom Fri 24-May-13 21:18:22

Very interesting article in the BMJ here...

CrabbyBigbottom Fri 24-May-13 21:29:29

Haven't read back today as I'm a little drunk now. blush There are reasons for that though, so I don't feel guilty much.

Yesterday meals
B- none, didn't have time
S - some almonds and lots and lots of water
Late L - prawns and avocado, followed by some char-grilled veg with HM pesto
D - omelette with cheese and ham
2xtea, glass of white wine, loads of water

B - cheese and ham
L - smoked salmon bits with loads of creme fraiche and a spoon of lumpfish roe ('caviar')
S - olives and cheddar
D - hunters' chicken with butterbeans (naughty!) and roasted broccoli.
2xtea, loads of water, too much wine of both colours

Ugh. I have a weekend with my friend, there will be cake and shopping and wine and no exercise sad I was really looking forward to it as a bit of a treat - but I'm so 'in the zone' that I'm kind of dreading it a bit. But she's my best friend in the world and I haven't seen her for aaaages so I'm very excited about seeing her!

I can only echo what Ewan says

Please measure yourself as we'll as going off what the scales say. Also consider how you actually feel in yourself.

The most amazing thing for me was not constantly feeling hungry and snacking.
I still now, after a year, find it unbelievable that I can go for so long between meals. My blood sugars would drop an hour after eating a big meal and would start snacking.

I feel cross that the government still perpetuates the low fat high carb myth

HeirToTheIronThrone Fri 24-May-13 23:05:47

Well DP brought home M&S dine in for two, though I have him well trained I think as he picked steak with Mediterranean veg smile I do admit to having the pudding as well though... But no wine! I don't know which would be worse actually... Have had masses of water though and a long swim this morning so hopefully not too much damage...

MrsCoyote Sat 25-May-13 08:10:32

B egg mayo
L celeriac mash with butter and pork belly
D pork belly with salad

MrsCoyote Sat 25-May-13 08:13:31

B Greek yoghurt
L soup - cauli? leek?
D salmon with roasted veg

CrabbyBigBottom Sat 25-May-13 10:02:54

Right, I am off Bootcamp for a couple of days as it is my 40th birthday this weekend and there shall be much feasting and boozing. There may even be crunchy topped lemon cake with sour cherries! I'll be back on it on Monday/Tuesday.

Weight has sts this week, varying by half a pound or so, but yesterday I put on smart(ish) clothes for an appointment and was thrilled to see my waist! grin Haven't seen that for some months, so this WOE is certainly doing the trick.

middleagedspread Sat 25-May-13 10:06:19

Have a lovely birthday Crabby. It's the law that you should eat cake on your birthday & have at least one drunken episode.

JaxTellerIsAllMine Sat 25-May-13 10:15:00

Off to Scotland tomorrow morning v early - I will try my best, but I cant promise not to be too bad.

Crabby - enjoy your birthday. flowers

MrsFlorrick Sat 25-May-13 10:45:22

Crabby. Happy 40th. grin Enjoy yourself. It's my turn in a few weeks time.

DH has agreed to look after dC this afternoon while I hit the shops. Aaahh. Bliss. DS is already giving him the run around. I am trying not to laugh as DH (after much wine) last night lectured me on tougher and more structured discipline with DS. Sadly for him, DS is taking no notice. Hahaha.

Lie in so far scrambled eggs bacon and avocado. And coffee.

CrabbyBigBottom Sat 25-May-13 11:07:01

Thanks Middle, I suspect that there shall be several drunken episodes. Can't be as bad as my oldest friend's 40th birthday party where, after much wine was consumed by all, I went to the loo in the middle of the night, went back into the wrong bedroom and got into bed with one of the guests. shock shock blush What's worse is that I then took all the duvet (single bed!) and snored loudly. Rather than kicking me loudly and firmly out of the bed, the poor woman slept on the floor! When she woke up again I was gone, and she had no idea who it was. In the morning it was like a murder mystery weekend, with everyone trying to work out who the mystery bed-hopper was. Oh the shame!! blush blush

Thanks Jax - enjoy Scotland!

Thanks MrsF too, and I hope you get a peaceful afternoon shopping while your DH imposes his new and fruitless discipline regime. wink

NewStartNewStory Sat 25-May-13 11:40:29

Enjoy watching the chaos MrsF wink there is something to be learnt the hard way with exciting kids. Hope Dh fully appreciates the effort required in preventing total destruction. grin

Today is not going exactly to plan but so far no one has died and no one needs a trip to a&e. On that basis I am going to class this as a good day and try not to lose my voice by implementing selective hearing. Sorry did you whisper something? NO? sorry couldn't hear you then...

B: Banned by bootcamp and thus shall not be listed in full detail. 1 ltr of water
L: hmm no idea.
T: no idea where i will be yet so not sure.

AngieAir Sat 25-May-13 12:03:00

Whoever mentioned Bovril I send my thanks. Bought some this week and has been a nice change in this cold weather from tea with ever reducing amounts of milk.

Now today I'm going to be brave and attempt lasagne but need advice. Mince mix is already made. I was also going to layer ricotta instead of bechamel.

Which is better as lasagne sheet substitute: Emmental cheese slice or sliced courgettes? Or should I use both?

Afternoon all. Tried to post a Morning all earlier but got distracted but a fox brazenly walking through the garden. Then I went to Waitrose.

Happy birthday young Crabby! Have a great weekend. I did the drunken episode on my birthday last week but not the cake. Saving that one up for on holiday!

Angie - I have done one with leeks before. I think the courgettes might work. Let us know!

Has anyone got a reliable scales? This morning on mine I was 14 4 (I wish!)' 14 6 and 14 7. Yesterday was similar between 14 8 and 14 11. Drives me mad. This is second set of scales in two years. A weight watchers set were similar.

Yesterday I had:

B - egg mayo
S - couple of spoonfuls of cream
L - salad, with avocado, smoked salmon and wasabi mayo
S - cream
D - couldn't be bothered cooking and DS only wanted cereal so I had 3 chicken drumsticks and some cheese
S - cream
I think I need to stop the cream!

B - bacon and two poached eggs
S - cold sausage
L - will be chicken drumsticks and salad
D - either salmon or chicken with stir fry veg.

Doshusallie Sat 25-May-13 12:49:07

Leftover chicken breast wrapped in bacon for brekkie

Slices of ham, cheese, lettuce, cucumber, corned beef and mayo - tablespoon of PB for lunch. Very full.

middleagedspread Sat 25-May-13 12:55:33

Crabby, that is a fab story...imagine if the guest in the bed had posted on MN??
Bet you can't top that tonight!

Weight still the same as it was 2 weeks ago. Here's hoping the fairy visits tonight before weigh in tomorrow.

CrabbyBigBottom Sat 25-May-13 13:43:58

Thanks Buda. smile

Middle I was mortified, but it could have been worse - her and her husband were both sleeping in the room, in separate single beds (children's room). Imagine if I'd got into bed with him! shock

Thank goodness she did say something in the morning... they're Spanish; she could have just kept quiet and assumed that this is what English people do at house parties! grin

I knew something was up because the first thing I remember is coming out of the loo and getting back into bed, and DP saying "where the hell have you been??" I had no idea what he was talking about, and he told me I'd been gone for almost two hours. I didn't believe him but then realised that my side of the bed was stone cold. shock Apparently I'd gone to the loo and just hadn't come back. After five minutes he'd come out to look for me (I do have form for getting disorientated when I'm staying over somewhere blush blush) and I'd vanished. He figured I must have gone into the wrong room. Short of opening each of the other three doors and hissing "Crabby!!", he didn't see what he could do so he went back to bed.

In the morning we woke up to the sound of riotous laughter from downstairs. DP went down and came back laughing so much he couldn't talk (and he's not a man given to extremes of emotion hmm) They'd asked him if he'd had any nocturnal adventures and he'd told them I'd gone AWOL. Mystery solved. I couldn't remember a thing, and when I went downstairs they made me hug each person in turn to see if I could remember who it was I'd snuggled up to. I was soooo embarrassed. grin

The thing is, I wasn't even that drunk!

Crabby that is so funny! We had a friend stay once and after a long night with much alcohol DH and I went to bed. He ended up in our room - the bathroom linked both rooms. He got in my side and cuddled up to me. DH oblivious. I was starkers. I actually lay there giggling and then got worried as his wife had been away for a while and I thought he might think I was her. I did also think of getting out of bed down the middle and leaving him and DH. Their faces the next morning would have been hilarious. He woke up a bit and went back to his own bed though. So funny next day though!

sneaking in to the end of the thread to confess that I've been an idiot over the past couple of weeks and have eaten everything that stayed still long enough for me to grab it blush.

However, DD and I have been food shopping this morning, and made a meal plan, and I've had four big glasses of water. I'll add my today's weigh in on Monday.

I've calculated that if I lose two pounds a week every week (which is perfectly doable) I can be a healthy BMI by October. Whether I actually want to be that weight (as if I go below 11.5 stone I look ill) is a different matter, but I have a mini target in that we go on a cruise in August, and I'll need new clothes for that, and I'm not buying more clothes in my current size, which is actually uncomfortably tight round the middle.

So, meals for the rest of the day:
S: a babybel
D: mince from the familys cottage pie and broccoli stirfried in butter.
Water: a lot more

JaxTellerIsAllMine Sat 25-May-13 14:01:53

oh Crabby - you little bed hopper! grin

That just made me laugh so much. CAnt wait to read about this weekends shenanigans.

Gosh, with BIWI away we are all very naughty... just saying. blush

I'm still here, although back home, where there are no scales, so will be putting myself down as STS until I get back to the UK on June 21st. Just wanted to say that the 'one-hour-window-where-you-can-eat-anything' low carb diet mentioned up-thread is the Carbohydrate Addict's Diet - wouldn't work for me, but some people have success with it.

Just ate a couple of whiting fillets (I was freezer diving and found a mystery bag from the fishmongers) baked with garlic, parsley and Parmesan with cream. Really yummy - apart from the little bones, which were a pain. Had some lambs lettuce and 3 cherry tomatoes with it. MIght have a couple of hardboiled eggs for a snack later.

BigStickBIWI Sat 25-May-13 14:39:26

I have a wifi signal, just so you all know ...

blush thought I might have got away with the confession as BIWI was away wink

middleagedspread Sat 25-May-13 14:42:58

Yikes, she'll soon be back with her carb free Limoncello & a big boot shaped stick.

JaxTellerIsAllMine Sat 25-May-13 15:10:45

BIWI, enjoy your holiday, dont wifi. grin

TreeLuLa Sat 25-May-13 17:21:48

Ok so had a bit of a shock yesterday - was one of the first on the scene of a fatal collision between pedestrian and car and was quite shaken up. I am trained in 1st aid and tried to help but sadly he was past help sad.
I had 2 glasses of wine when I got home (first drink in 3 months).

kiwigirl42 Sat 25-May-13 17:38:31

hope you are ok TreeLuLa - can't imagine how distressing this must have been. Think you well deserved the wine.

I've just made a lovely curry with just chicken fillets fried in coconut oil, 2 tsp of Bart''s Mussleman paste (spicy ie cinnamon etc rather than very hot) and the water off a can of coconut water. Simmered until reduced then added a bit of double cream and coriander (love Waitrose frozen chopped coriander). Was really tasty with boiled cauliflower and cabbage dripping with butter.

I'm saving the thick part of the water for a paleo dessert which involves melting a few squares of 85% Lindt and mixing with said coconut to make a yummy concoction.

Will be my treat tomorrow as I've been really strictly sticking to this diet since I begun, except for one Mr Whippy cone which I found overpoweringly flavoured with vanilla but really enjoyed. Amazes me how fast your taste buds improve once sugar is not masking everything you eat.

JaxTellerIsAllMine Sat 25-May-13 18:46:46

oh treelula, hope you are ok. No wonder you had some wine, must have been such a shock. sad

TreeLuLa Sat 25-May-13 19:00:09

Yes, was very sad and also horrifying. I went into 'autopilot' mode while I was there - it really all hit home when I was driving home afterwards. Keep having flashbacks, but not as bad this morning as last night so hopefully will soon stop happening.

Despite the wine I have kept to it today and yesterday, and also made it through another birthday party today without giving in to crisps, cake or sandwiches.

Abouttime Sat 25-May-13 23:28:02

Hi everyone. I'm a long time lurker & I'm finally ready to join.

I've 2 stone to lose, tried every diet going & think this is the one for me. I have PCOS, IBS & high end of normal fasting blood sugars & a sister with type 1 diabetes.

My biggest problem is that I'm a very, very fussy eater & drinker. I also have a sweet tooth that I just cannot get control of.

I don't like tea, coffee or plain water only fizzy flavoured water, coke zero, Pepsi max, & orange juice. I really struggle to drink much of anything I don't like because it makes me gip sad

The same goes for food. I hate mushrooms, broccoli, courgette, cauliflower, Parmesan cheese, fat on meat except chicken skin, olives & lots of other stuff.

Basically I love cereal, rice, pasta, cakes, fruit & all the other bad foods.

I do like eggs but can't eat lots of them or I feel sick. Mayonnaise & butter are ok.

Please help me. I work p/t and have no access to a microwave etc, 2 dc & a partner.

JaxTellerIsAllMine Sat 25-May-13 23:28:17

yes I understand the autopilor mode for trauma. Is there someone you can offload on mentally.

I know that, especially in the case of serious injury, flashbacks are quite common. Sending you a big hug, because it isnt an easy thing to do - and move forward. I know that probably reads as being callous, but the 999 people I know use very dark humour to get them through, otherwise it becomes an emotional nightmare for them. Not that they dont 'feel' of course they do, but they have learned to switch off as much as possible after their shift. sad

treelula that sounds horrible - hope you re feeling a but better today. Big hugs.

abouttime welcome. You will probably find that in a few weeks time actually you do like lots of those things you think you don't like now. It is amazing the things I eat now I am not just filling my plate with beige carbs (plus lots of things taste nicer smothered with butter or cream!). Read through all the info on the spreadsheet, especially the rules and plan thoroughly. If you are cooking carbs for others it is easy to adapt your meals, but you have to be organised! Make sure you have lots of snacks in the early days (low carb obvs) to have if hungry and you have to drink enough water (fizzy or still). It is a great woe!

maidofmuss Sun 26-May-13 09:18:58

treelula think jax is right - hope you are doing okay and the flashbacks are stopping. Sending hugs

about welcome! I'm new to this diet too (started on 29th April) but you will get lots of support. Sounds like you will need to force yourself to drink water though - maybe you cd squeeze in a tiny bit of lemon or lime at the begeiing to give it some flavour while you go through the first few days of carb flu and wean yourself off the pepsi? See what some of the long-time bootcampers say...
Are you starting tomorrow?

Am away for a few days, prob no wifi (or scales, dodgy or otherwise). Will def keep sticking with it even if STS as feel body shape is slowly changing - haven't eaten bad carbs (no crisps, cake etc) but know I've had a bit too much wine over last couple of days (and nuts) and the odd bowl of ff total with bit of vanilla paste and strawberries, which feels like a decadent treat. Still not missing rice or pasta at all...

Have a good day/bank holiday!
The pork stroganoff from the recipe thread is fabulous by the way - had with courgette strips sautéed in butter two Evesham in row - delish!

maidofmuss Sun 26-May-13 09:28:01

evenings even... (!)

Treelula - hope you are ok today. It sounds shocking.

Abouttime - welcome. I suggest having a really good look at all the rules and resources linked to. Check out the recipe thread too. If you really don't like so much of the stuff that you mentioned you might really struggle. You will need a menu plan that you know you can stick to. Your really sweet tooth is a result of sugar addiction. And it will go but it will be hard initially. And you will need to drink lots of water which sounds like it might be a problem. How about making up a jug of water and adding a few slices if lemon and/or lime and keeping it in the fridge? You could maybe have a few bottles of it on the go too for when you are out and about.

This way of eating will really help you but as BIWI said in her OP it's not a very forgiving way of eating. You do need to commit to sticking to it or your cravings will still be there. And you won't lose weight.

I think if I were you I would spend this week stopping all the sweet drinks as that alone will be tough. And cut out as much other sweet stuff as possible. Or maybe it would be better to go completely cold turkey. I suppose only you know how determined you are! There is a supplement you can get from holland and barret that helps with cravings - I think it is L-Carnitine.

Good luck. Keep posting. Lots of support here when the going gets tough.

Busy day planned here. We are having all the white gloss paintwork redone at the moment and decorator has done spare room and a few doors on the landing. I need to put spare room back together, repack airing cupboard and then start clearing out main bedroom so he can start that tomorrow. DH also wants to tackle our overgrown and mossy driveway today. BBQ for dinner.

B - a cold sausage so far! About to have yoghurt and flaxseeds.
L - maybe a fry-up or smoked mackerel and salad
D - BBQ. Bought lots of nice prepared kebabs etc from Waitrose yesterday. Nothing sugary obv. All low carb. Will have with salad.

HeirToTheIronThrone Sun 26-May-13 09:42:24

tree that is awful, I hope you are ok

30th birthdays party last night - damage report is two ciders and a handful of pretzels, so I think it could be worse. All lovely LC BBQ meat and homemade coleslaw apart from that. As of yesterday I was 0.8 of a lb from the next stone bracket, so am off for a long walk smile

maidofmuss Sun 26-May-13 09:42:57

Good advice from MrsHP there
Agree totally about the planning - I'm much more organised about family meals now and try to do things everyone will like and that I can eat (without the potatoes/rice etc). Eldest now loves celeriac and cabbage, which I may not have served before thinking would get wasted. Waiting for youngest to develop a passion for veg but only likes peas, carrots and sweetcorn, which I'm avoiding, and cauli cheese!
about do you dislike all tea? I don't like black tea like pg but get through a lot of Jasmine, camomile etc and am trying to develop a taste for redbush - may be worth trying?
Good luck with it / first few days are hard but it does get much, much easier if you stick with it !

maidofmuss Sun 26-May-13 09:48:22

And from cider!
heir that's great - I'll be dancing round the room when I finally get below 12st mark....
Hope walk does it!

NewStartNewStory Sun 26-May-13 11:15:10

treelula what Jax Said. Take care of yourself.

couch25cakes Sun 26-May-13 11:41:07

Hello all
My dinner on Friday was lovely, the food was yummy and low carb, I resisted the chic mousse but not the wine alas sad

Yesterday I felt really rough but stayed on track. I had a bit of cheese for breakfast (before going back to bed) and then had roasted veggies, chicken and chorizo for lunch. We went out for curry so had lamb chops and a paneer shaslick which was delicious.

Today I had scrambled eggs with cream for breakfast and no doubt will carry on finishing off the chicken and chorizo for lunch. We're having a BBQ later on, which should be nice and easy.

I'm officially weighing in tomorrow but the scales show a 5lb loss today which I'm delighted with.

BlackAffronted Sun 26-May-13 11:54:47

Where's the recipe thread?

decaffwithcream Sun 26-May-13 13:19:57

Recipe thread doesnt seem to have made it into the new low-carb section so you probably need to do a search for it. I just use the low-carb section of the mumsnet recipe section (under the food tab) - loads of the recipes have been put in there.

recipe thread here

If you think any are fab please add them as proper individual recipes in the recipe section - and rate them! They are much easier to find on a phone!

kiwigirl42 Sun 26-May-13 15:43:24

Hello everyone

all going fine here - eating left over chicken curry with cauliflower and cabbage. Surprisingly yum without rice etc. In fact, I don't even miss it.
The only thing I think I miss is a nice, unladylike hunk of cake but funnily enough I'm surviving without it!

Quite like the Lidl greek yogurt I bought. Not quite as nice as Total but for the price difference I think I can cope with it.
The only cheat I do is putting a tsp of honey in my yogurt so once thats in there is hardly any difference

Long hard afternoon in the garden cutting back the overgrowth along our driveway and clearing up the debris and moss. Two years worth of everything. Lost count of how many wheelbarrows I filled and emptied. Good workout although I will ache tomorrow.

Kiwi girl - the honey really won't help to kick sweet cravings! do you really need it?

I have asked for the recipe thread to be moved to the low carb section

newlark Sun 26-May-13 20:09:28

Abouttime - have you tried PLJ (basically unsweetened lemon juice) with sparkling water? I drink it very dilute and it has kept me away from diet coke for a whole month...

NobodyPutsMyBabyInTheCorner Mon 10-Jun-13 08:20:23

Just added myself, I hope you don't mind..
I'm just marking my place so I can go back and read through all your low-carbing pearls of wisdom grin

BIWI Mon 10-Jun-13 08:49:18

Make sure you have plenty of a time and several brew to hand!

NobodyPutsMyBabyInTheCorner Mon 10-Jun-13 11:21:21

I'm into rooibus tea (black) and am onto my fourth cup blush.

I did ask on another thread but does it have to be butter or is olive spread okay?

BIWI Mon 10-Jun-13 12:25:11

It all depends on the ingredients - I think you'll find that it's very, very processed. Butter is much better and far preferable.

BIWI Mon 10-Jun-13 12:25:23

Come and join us on the week 7 chat thread!

acol1794 Wed 12-Jun-13 22:04:08

Message withdrawn at poster's request.

BIWI Wed 12-Jun-13 22:20:36

Oh goodness shock

There are lots of different issues here, but the most important one is the fact that you have obviously been reading your partner's posts. Does she know about that?

The arguments between the two of you should be just that - you shouldn't be trying to make your case here. You should be resolving them between the two of you.

That said, it is your partner's absolute right to talk about how she feels about things with whomsoever she wishes. She chose to confide in us here.

This is a low carb support thread. We are bound, therefore, to argue for a low carb way of eating, and there are many of us who have done a lot of reading and research into it, something which I suspect you have not. If you were aware of the latest research, you would not try and argue against it.

However, it is not up to me to make that argument - it is between your partner and you to sort that out.

Similarly your financial situation and management is nothing to do with us. Although I would make the observation that if money is an issue, then shopping at Ocado and buying ready meals is perhaps not the most sensible way to go about things hmm

So, no. You shouldn't have to come here and defend yourself. Neither should you have been reading what your partner was posting. This is a gross invasion of her privacy.

CrabbyBigBottom Wed 12-Jun-13 22:52:17

Wow. for someone who doesn't want to discuss their private life on the internet, you've just done a pretty damned thorough job of airing your dirty laundry! to be honest, if your behaviour didn't look controlling before, then it certainly does now; you've tracked your partner down onto a support thread and read her posts? Posts that are similar to a diary, and are not addressed to you? And then you post a long rant about how unfair she's being. What on earth makes you think any of that is ok? confused

I was so shocked by your post that I went back and looked at Queen's posts. This is what she said...

OK ladies I'll be back on the LC from today. and no being guilted out of it. Although DP has ordered fish pie for one of our dinners this week. I'll just have to try and avoid the potato topping I guess.

BIWI, it's a ready meal. We do all our shopping on Ocado. It's a big one though, so it's shared between us. Ordering another one is just not an option. I'm really not going to be able to do this am I? P is really really against low carb, I'm not going to get him to change that, and I won't be able to do it myself when he WILL buy carby meals like that.

Thanks for the support everyone.

lily going to the shops for my bits is not an option for several reasons:
1. I have no money in my account - I don't work and DP gives me a little each month but not enough to be able to feed myself!
2. I don't drive and we have no supermarkets in easily walkable distance, which is why we do internet groceries in the first place.

I will try and works something out with this though. It's just that DP is totally fixed into the conventional wisdom when it comes to diet. I was too until about 3 months ago when I started reading on all this. Nothing will change his mind that this is 'faddy eating' though. I was talking to SIL about food a couple of weeks ago, and he heard me say 'fat keeps you fuller for longer' and said 'fat keeps you fatter for longer' in response. He also holds the charming view that 'men don't bother with stupid diets, if they need to lose weight they just eat less' ( I don't believe that for a moment)

SIL was complaining to me that she's been restricting how much she eats. She says there's no way she can eat any less than she is at the moment, but she's not losing weight. DP just thinks she's obviously not eating as little as she thinks she is.

Just to clarify:

We eat mostly fresh food made from scratch, but this fish pie is a bit of a family favourite and the kids demolish it
I generally do the food orders, but he sometimes does it if I haven't got my finger out and done it. This has happened this week
As for money, well we've been in a bit of a financial pit, and for a long while we couldn't afford for him to give me any money at all, now he gives me about £100 per month but that goes on allsorts (including some stops at the shop to pick up odd bits and bobs) I think we've been in financially dire straits for so long that I've developed a real fear of spending money!

Things are difficult, but partly because I've become quite low due to all the crap, and I'm struggling with it. hopefully things are turning around now, just hope we don't get made to move house again because that would just kill us.

Anyway, going to stop moaning now

Just had a lovely soup. we're a bit low on foodstuffs, but I managed to cobble something together."

To my mind, she has not accused you of any of the things you say she has. Other people's interpretations of the situation are just that; their personal interpretations. What's that saying...eavesdroppers rarely hear good of themselves?

You say that you are entitled to express your opinions 'out of concern for a loved one', but it's a very grey area between putting your point across calmly and then allowing the person space to make their own choice (without niggling, criticising, making sarcastic comments etc), and in trying to control their behaviour by constantly voicing your opinions. Based on your post here, it sounds very likely that you've been doing the latter.

Does Queen know you've been snooping on her here?

CrabbyBigBottom Wed 12-Jun-13 22:54:03

Cross posted with you BIWI, it took me so long to reread Queens posts!

timidviper Wed 12-Jun-13 23:08:59

I agree that reading your partner's posts on a forum without permission is a gross invasion of her privacy. Amongst themselves women do chat, share personal stuff more than men do and sometimes we might even exaggerate a little for humour, attention, etc. That is why this is an anonymous forum.

I have never interpreted Queens posts as saying you are horrible although you do sound rather controlling and trying to justify yourself comes across as just that.

I would be livid if my husband did this.

captainmummy Thu 13-Jun-13 08:42:46

Have you done any of your own thinking/research? Many of us have, and many of us are scientists/medical persons/intelligent independent thinkers. The government advice on 'healthy' eating is seriously flawed, and in many cases funded by those with an interest in the results (ie margerine manufacturers, low-fat crap manufacturers, the wheat-lobby, the soft drinks giants are only a few).
And IMVHO the standard advice given to Diabetics is nothing short of criminal. (Spelt out - the advice to eat stuff that is proven to raise blood sugars, in the interests of 'levelling' it 'healthily).
There is plenty of evidence that many, many conditions are actively alleviated by a low-carb diet (IBS, diabetes, cancers - oh yes!).

Do some reading. Make your own mind up and then see if you can support your wife in her decision, rather than making snidey, intimidating remarks.

It will not be long before the 'health' advice is changed. There is already evidence to show that people in th medical profession are waking up to the proof that avoiding sugar(s) is a GOOD thing.

LondonMe Sat 06-Jul-13 15:17:49

I'm back on Low Carb starting today. I've tried pretty much every diet known to man (serial yoyo dieter - unfortunately). Was doing Slimming World a few months ago, but even though others were losing like crazy, I lost only a few lbs in 3 months. I think I eat too much fruits as I'm constantly hungry (or maybe it's just cravings, as I shouldn't be hungry when there's food in my stomach). I find that I feel satisfied on low carb, but usually after a few weeks I get tired of eating the same thing and quit. I noticed some recipes here which I will try, hoping I can stick with it forever this time. Great posts from everyone!

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