Are we sure that cream is not fattening?

[superstarheartbreaker]

I have been on a low carb diet but eating lots of cream. Weight loss is slow and I can't help thinking it's down to the amount of cream and cheese I eat. I'm thinking that I may cut down drastically.

[SayraT]

Dairy can stall some people and on the bootcamp threads some people who were stalling cut out dairy (except butter) and managed to get the scales to move down again. Maybe try cutting it out/down for a while and see what happens?

[HippyTea]

Intolerance to dairy can hinder weight loss, cream and less pasteurised products have less of a negative effect. Goats dairy can be an alternative because it's much closer to the make up of human milk.

Cream is not at all fattening the idea that dairy is a weight loss no no comes from the incorrect idea that fat in your diet makes you fat.

Only incorrect quantities of food groups make you fat not the actual foods (talking about food and not man made crap here)

[HippyTea]

Also if you have been low carb dieting for a while you will reach a plateau because your metabolism has familiarised with the diet you are providing it. Try having a "cheat meal" where you may eat your usual and then a meal which would probably amount to your days calories in one go (best done after a decent workout) to reboot your metabolism :)

[FourForksAche]

if you eat a lot of dairy, weight loss slows down on low carb. We're allowed cream and cheese but it's all energy. If you eat enough fat to cover your daily needs your body won't need to dip into its storage.

[HippyTea]

Lol fourforks

Thats bull. Fat ist caused by a specific macronutrient group. Dietary fat doesn't = body fat so therefore that isn't true. If you eat enough calories then your body won't dip into its fat... to lose body fat you have to be in a calorie deficit, even if only slight

[FourForksAche]

Hippy, not sure I can decipher your message but we appear to be saying the same thing.

[Floggingmolly]

I thought cream and cheese were limited? Iirc, it's 2tbls of cream per day, and a couple of ounces of cheese?

[FourForksAche]

That's right for Atkins Molly,

[HippyTea]

Sorry if my message didn't seem comprehendible to you but from your post it seems to me as if you are saying that weight-loss is reliant on fat intake rather than your intake of macronutrients (protein, fats and carbs) as a whole.

The point I was making is that intake of dietary fats does not cause weight gain. A point many do not understand as diet culture incorrectly promotes dietary fats = body fat. It is an intake of all macronutrients, the timing of their intake and the ratios of them which you eat as a whole.

No one real food (man made / processes junk un-included) makes you fat unless you have an intolerance to them or you over consume. Dairy "slowing down" fat loss will only occur in those with intolerance, although this can be quite common. In fact anyone starting a diet would be best off removing anything they think they may have an intolerance to at the start of the diet and gradually introduce it after a month to test the reaction.

Anyway; My point is you have to be in a calorie deficit (of protein, fats and carbs) to lose weight, so long as you aren't over eating your fat goal for the day and do not have intolerances eating cream shouldn't make a blind bit of difference.

[LoblollyBoy]

It has quite a few calories in it. Cheese does too. I may be on the wrong thread.

[CoteDAzur]

"so long as you aren't over eating your fat goal for the day and do not have intolerances eating cream shouldn't make a blind bit of difference."

OP says she eats "lots of cream".

What should be her 'fat goal'?

[HippyTea]

Macronutrient goals are something you can hand out just like unfortunately.
Different people require different amounts. You have to take into consideration current body fat, lifestyle and any training regime etc. You have to plan your intake to fuel your lifestyle and then if you want to lose fat (not weight... because weight loss is no specific, that could be water weight, muscle etc.) then you then have to lessen the intake to lose it.

I personally eat 150g protein 88g fat and only low Gi carbs (which I don't count as they are sourced from veg) on a non training day. On a training day I'll eat 170g protein 80g fat and 50g of carbs (only after a workout). I weigh ten stone and I have 16% body fat... I couldn't just randomly pluck numbers up for a random stranger.

[HippyTea]

*can't just

[TippiShagpile]

How can you be eating a lot of cream?

It's not something you generally eat in isolation.

Are you having it with cake? That might be your problem.

[CoteDAzur]

Lots of whipped cream on strawberries & other berries? Crème fraîche in soups?

It looks like OP thought she could eat all the fat she wanted because 'fat isn't fattening'. Maybe point her towards a link where she can read about how to calculate her fat goal.

[FourForksAche]

"Sorry if my message didn't seem comprehendible to you but from your post it seems to me as if you are saying that weight-loss is reliant on fat intake rather than your intake of macronutrients (protein, fats and carbs) as a whole."

Hippytea in a ketogenic diet weight loss is dependant on a couple of factors:

1. maintaining ketosis in order to convert the body to fat burning rather than carb burning.
   
   
2. maintaining an intake deficit so that weight loss occurs.
   
   I did not say any of what's in your quote above. I said "if you eat a lot of dairy, weight loss slows down on low carb....If you eat enough fat to cover your daily needs your body won't need to dip into its storage." This comment refers to the need to maintain an intake deficit. I am not claiming that fat causes weight gain. I am claiming that if you eat so much of the allowed foods on a low carb diet that you no longer have an intake deficit, you will stall or even gain a little weight.

[HippyTea]

1. Low carb dieting and ketosis are not the same thing;
   

1. You do not have to enter a state of ketosis to achieve fat loss whilst consuming a diet low in High GI carbs.
   

Completely agree that you have to remain in a calorie deficit to achieve fat loss which is what I was stating, sorry re' the fat thing but that's just how I viewed your post.

[FourForksAche]

Hippy, my experience is mainly with Atkins, a ketogenic diet that does need you to maintain ketosis.

Not all low carb or low GI diets are ketogenic diets, fair point.

[whatdoesittake48]

Dont forget that cream contains carbs. It all adds up
You can't have unlimited amounts.